Loungo's World Cup place still up in the air

The Wiltshire Gazette and Herald: Swindon Town star Massimo Luongo Swindon Town star Massimo Luongo

MASSIMO Luongo remains in the dark as to whether or not he is still in with a shout of making the Australian squad for the upcoming World Cup.

Luongo was handed his international debut by Aussie coach Ange Postecoglou in a friendly against Ecuador in March and still has hopes he will be included in the initial 30-man squad which will attend a training camp in Sydney later this month.

However, neither he nor the rest of his teammates from the Australia set-up have been given a firm steer on their possible selection by Postecoglou.

“He’s a lot different to a lot of managers. He gets his staff to get in contact with players, I get updates quite often to see how I’m doing,” said Luongo.

“I don’t think anyone knows til the last minute. It’s a good thing and a bad thing. I don’t know where I stand but I don’t have to worry about it. I can concentrate on what I’m doing here.

“I wouldn’t have thought I was in contention for the World Cup at the start of the season, being in League One probably being the main reason, but obviously I’m doing something right if I’m in a possible squad.

“I only did 15 minutes against Ecuador but I felt comfortable and I had really good players around me, which helped. I just have to keep playing and stay injury free.

“There’s a camp in Sydney and that’s a 30-man squad and then they cut it down to a 23-man squad.

“No one knows. I’m sure we’ll find out somewhere. I haven’t kept tabs on it all.”

With one game of the League One season remaining for Luongo, with Rotherham United visiting Swindon Town on Saturday, the midfielder is looking to avoid injury and maintain his match fitness prior to the announcement of the 30-man training squad by Postecoglou sometime in May.

When asked whether he had one more game to impress his national coach, he said: “I’d say less impress, more like get minutes under my belt. They’re 24 hours away on a plane so they won’t really be keeping tabs on me with a close eye. As long as they see I’m playing, touch wood I’m not injured and I’m working hard, that’s probably the best thing for me to do.

“I just worry about playing here and playing well. It’s a bonus if I get called up. I’d love to play in a World Cup but I’m not going to get my hopes up.”

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7:19am Thu 1 May 14

Since 1950 says...

Never mind getting on a plane, you'll be on your bike before the world cup is over if Jed takes over the club!
Good luck, hope you get a place in the squad.
Never mind getting on a plane, you'll be on your bike before the world cup is over if Jed takes over the club! Good luck, hope you get a place in the squad. Since 1950
  • Score: 4

7:28am Thu 1 May 14

Howler72 says...

Personally would be good for Massimo to be selected, but In my opinion, his form has dropped recently since his call up and I feel that for Swindon town's benefit, perhaps he could do with a rest this Summer.
Personally would be good for Massimo to be selected, but In my opinion, his form has dropped recently since his call up and I feel that for Swindon town's benefit, perhaps he could do with a rest this Summer. Howler72
  • Score: 13

8:25am Thu 1 May 14

AFCBExile says...

The close season gossip is already starting and Sky Sports are saying that we are one of 3 clubs looking at Luongo.

I hope that your boardroom wrangles are sorted out soon and you have some stability again for next season. As a local I thought that Cooper has done a pretty good job this season under the circumstances and hopefully will maybe get you into the play-offs next season..
The close season gossip is already starting and Sky Sports are saying that we are one of 3 clubs looking at Luongo. I hope that your boardroom wrangles are sorted out soon and you have some stability again for next season. As a local I thought that Cooper has done a pretty good job this season under the circumstances and hopefully will maybe get you into the play-offs next season.. AFCBExile
  • Score: 8

9:02am Thu 1 May 14

LeGod says...

Good luck to Luongo if he is selected and it puts his price up to Bournemouth and whoever else are interested in him. I would have expected interest in him as he is a skilful player but has dropped off the last couple of months and has looked knackered in the last few games.
We paid 400k for him so the Russian at Bournemouth will have to get his cheque book out for a lot more and this time if a deal does come we need to get the right price not like the last give away we gave them.
Anyhow there are going to be lots of rumours flying around and because of that P**** Jed and the uncertainty around the owners of the club the vultures will be circling unsettling players even more which is just what Jed wants to get back at Power.
Good luck to Luongo if he is selected and it puts his price up to Bournemouth and whoever else are interested in him. I would have expected interest in him as he is a skilful player but has dropped off the last couple of months and has looked knackered in the last few games. We paid 400k for him so the Russian at Bournemouth will have to get his cheque book out for a lot more and this time if a deal does come we need to get the right price not like the last give away we gave them. Anyhow there are going to be lots of rumours flying around and because of that P**** Jed and the uncertainty around the owners of the club the vultures will be circling unsettling players even more which is just what Jed wants to get back at Power. LeGod
  • Score: 3

10:44am Thu 1 May 14

Stickshaker says...

LeGod wrote:
Good luck to Luongo if he is selected and it puts his price up to Bournemouth and whoever else are interested in him. I would have expected interest in him as he is a skilful player but has dropped off the last couple of months and has looked knackered in the last few games.
We paid 400k for him so the Russian at Bournemouth will have to get his cheque book out for a lot more and this time if a deal does come we need to get the right price not like the last give away we gave them.
Anyhow there are going to be lots of rumours flying around and because of that P**** Jed and the uncertainty around the owners of the club the vultures will be circling unsettling players even more which is just what Jed wants to get back at Power.
The £400k was never given to Spurs. We'll only pay them when we sell Massimo on. Don't believe anything Jed says!
[quote][p][bold]LeGod[/bold] wrote: Good luck to Luongo if he is selected and it puts his price up to Bournemouth and whoever else are interested in him. I would have expected interest in him as he is a skilful player but has dropped off the last couple of months and has looked knackered in the last few games. We paid 400k for him so the Russian at Bournemouth will have to get his cheque book out for a lot more and this time if a deal does come we need to get the right price not like the last give away we gave them. Anyhow there are going to be lots of rumours flying around and because of that P**** Jed and the uncertainty around the owners of the club the vultures will be circling unsettling players even more which is just what Jed wants to get back at Power.[/p][/quote]The £400k was never given to Spurs. We'll only pay them when we sell Massimo on. Don't believe anything Jed says! Stickshaker
  • Score: 3

11:02am Thu 1 May 14

old town robin says...

AFCBExile wrote:
The close season gossip is already starting and Sky Sports are saying that we are one of 3 clubs looking at Luongo.

I hope that your boardroom wrangles are sorted out soon and you have some stability again for next season. As a local I thought that Cooper has done a pretty good job this season under the circumstances and hopefully will maybe get you into the play-offs next season..
The newspaper I read this morning reported you made losses of £15 million the season you won promotion and are looking to off load some of your top earners. So it would make sense you will be looking for replacements.

Whether Luango is good enough to step up to Championship level is still a big question mark. Howe has the right qualities to improve on what Cooper has done with him this season, so good luck with that, but don't think you're going to get him at a give away price like you paid for Richie even though Matt is by far the better player.
[quote][p][bold]AFCBExile[/bold] wrote: The close season gossip is already starting and Sky Sports are saying that we are one of 3 clubs looking at Luongo. I hope that your boardroom wrangles are sorted out soon and you have some stability again for next season. As a local I thought that Cooper has done a pretty good job this season under the circumstances and hopefully will maybe get you into the play-offs next season..[/p][/quote]The newspaper I read this morning reported you made losses of £15 million the season you won promotion and are looking to off load some of your top earners. So it would make sense you will be looking for replacements. Whether Luango is good enough to step up to Championship level is still a big question mark. Howe has the right qualities to improve on what Cooper has done with him this season, so good luck with that, but don't think you're going to get him at a give away price like you paid for Richie even though Matt is by far the better player. old town robin
  • Score: 5

11:04am Thu 1 May 14

London Red says...

Stickshaker wrote:
LeGod wrote: Good luck to Luongo if he is selected and it puts his price up to Bournemouth and whoever else are interested in him. I would have expected interest in him as he is a skilful player but has dropped off the last couple of months and has looked knackered in the last few games. We paid 400k for him so the Russian at Bournemouth will have to get his cheque book out for a lot more and this time if a deal does come we need to get the right price not like the last give away we gave them. Anyhow there are going to be lots of rumours flying around and because of that P**** Jed and the uncertainty around the owners of the club the vultures will be circling unsettling players even more which is just what Jed wants to get back at Power.
The £400k was never given to Spurs. We'll only pay them when we sell Massimo on. Don't believe anything Jed says!
It wasn't Jed in relation to this transfer it was Power!
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Anyway it doesn't matter if it was all paid up front or installments or upon sale - when it comes to selling him - that figure will have to be incorpoated in as our purchase price - as we will have had to paid Spurs it - so we will be looking for at least £500k to have made a profit on him!
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Personally - would like to think we are thinking more like £1m plus a 20% sell-on
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He is still extremely young and has mass potential - thus is in the running to go to the World Cup at only 21/22! He has scope for another 2 or 3 after this one
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Huddersfield and Brighton are the other 2 sniffing about
[quote][p][bold]Stickshaker[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]LeGod[/bold] wrote: Good luck to Luongo if he is selected and it puts his price up to Bournemouth and whoever else are interested in him. I would have expected interest in him as he is a skilful player but has dropped off the last couple of months and has looked knackered in the last few games. We paid 400k for him so the Russian at Bournemouth will have to get his cheque book out for a lot more and this time if a deal does come we need to get the right price not like the last give away we gave them. Anyhow there are going to be lots of rumours flying around and because of that P**** Jed and the uncertainty around the owners of the club the vultures will be circling unsettling players even more which is just what Jed wants to get back at Power.[/p][/quote]The £400k was never given to Spurs. We'll only pay them when we sell Massimo on. Don't believe anything Jed says![/p][/quote]It wasn't Jed in relation to this transfer it was Power! . Anyway it doesn't matter if it was all paid up front or installments or upon sale - when it comes to selling him - that figure will have to be incorpoated in as our purchase price - as we will have had to paid Spurs it - so we will be looking for at least £500k to have made a profit on him! . Personally - would like to think we are thinking more like £1m plus a 20% sell-on . He is still extremely young and has mass potential - thus is in the running to go to the World Cup at only 21/22! He has scope for another 2 or 3 after this one . Huddersfield and Brighton are the other 2 sniffing about London Red
  • Score: 0

11:06am Thu 1 May 14

London Red says...

old town robin wrote:
AFCBExile wrote: The close season gossip is already starting and Sky Sports are saying that we are one of 3 clubs looking at Luongo. I hope that your boardroom wrangles are sorted out soon and you have some stability again for next season. As a local I thought that Cooper has done a pretty good job this season under the circumstances and hopefully will maybe get you into the play-offs next season..
The newspaper I read this morning reported you made losses of £15 million the season you won promotion and are looking to off load some of your top earners. So it would make sense you will be looking for replacements. Whether Luango is good enough to step up to Championship level is still a big question mark. Howe has the right qualities to improve on what Cooper has done with him this season, so good luck with that, but don't think you're going to get him at a give away price like you paid for Richie even though Matt is by far the better player.
That is FFP at work there!
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Up from losses of over £3m the year before!
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No Wonder Black wanted out if that is what we had to compete with and why Power is looking to restructure the club!
[quote][p][bold]old town robin[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]AFCBExile[/bold] wrote: The close season gossip is already starting and Sky Sports are saying that we are one of 3 clubs looking at Luongo. I hope that your boardroom wrangles are sorted out soon and you have some stability again for next season. As a local I thought that Cooper has done a pretty good job this season under the circumstances and hopefully will maybe get you into the play-offs next season..[/p][/quote]The newspaper I read this morning reported you made losses of £15 million the season you won promotion and are looking to off load some of your top earners. So it would make sense you will be looking for replacements. Whether Luango is good enough to step up to Championship level is still a big question mark. Howe has the right qualities to improve on what Cooper has done with him this season, so good luck with that, but don't think you're going to get him at a give away price like you paid for Richie even though Matt is by far the better player.[/p][/quote]That is FFP at work there! . Up from losses of over £3m the year before! . No Wonder Black wanted out if that is what we had to compete with and why Power is looking to restructure the club! London Red
  • Score: 2

11:08am Thu 1 May 14

the wizard says...

I wish the guy well despite his recent drop in form. I think the season has been a big mountain for him to climb, and that reflects sometimes in his changeable attitude during games. His head drops far too easily. A summer in the World Cup camp will no doubt boost him and his skills will be developed with the training he will receive should he go, and as a result a far keener player next season, which will benefit him and the club.

I think the news we all want to hear is about the boardroom and what is happening there. Perhaps with much at stake The Adver have backed off, but I'm sure they could do a piece on the stories and rumours surrounding Jed and his quest for ownership of other clubs of late, and the replies allegedly given by the clubs concerned.

Last game of the season fast approaching and the "role of honour" is usually read out before kick off, is STFC going to be added to that list under Jeds ownership should Power fail ???? I sincerely hope NOT.
I wish the guy well despite his recent drop in form. I think the season has been a big mountain for him to climb, and that reflects sometimes in his changeable attitude during games. His head drops far too easily. A summer in the World Cup camp will no doubt boost him and his skills will be developed with the training he will receive should he go, and as a result a far keener player next season, which will benefit him and the club. I think the news we all want to hear is about the boardroom and what is happening there. Perhaps with much at stake The Adver have backed off, but I'm sure they could do a piece on the stories and rumours surrounding Jed and his quest for ownership of other clubs of late, and the replies allegedly given by the clubs concerned. Last game of the season fast approaching and the "role of honour" is usually read out before kick off, is STFC going to be added to that list under Jeds ownership should Power fail ???? I sincerely hope NOT. the wizard
  • Score: -3

11:13am Thu 1 May 14

Oi Den! says...

LR, a million for Luongo? You are most definitely having a laugh. Skilful footballer, yes, but even in today's inflated market £1m buys a lot more than he has offered so far. It was clear from the word go that he has talent. A good player has to be committed as well as talented though, and I'm not sure he has that commitment.
LR, a million for Luongo? You are most definitely having a laugh. Skilful footballer, yes, but even in today's inflated market £1m buys a lot more than he has offered so far. It was clear from the word go that he has talent. A good player has to be committed as well as talented though, and I'm not sure he has that commitment. Oi Den!
  • Score: -2

12:03pm Thu 1 May 14

London Red says...

Oi Den! wrote:
LR, a million for Luongo? You are most definitely having a laugh. Skilful footballer, yes, but even in today's inflated market £1m buys a lot more than he has offered so far. It was clear from the word go that he has talent. A good player has to be committed as well as talented though, and I'm not sure he has that commitment.
Spurs are demanding over £1m for Pritchard - is he really worth double or treble Luongo?
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Callum Wilson - is rumoured to be leaving Coventry this summer for £3.5m - is he really worth 6 or 7 time Luongo?
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Thats extremely harsh to say he is not committed!
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Yes he has faded out of games and form has gone up and down but that is because he is young - not to do with commitment!
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The lad has played pratically every minute this season in his first year as a pro - that is a big big ask!
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Think back to when Ritchie first arrived and couldn't even get in our team, he then returned on loan a 2nd time under the term "deperation signing" as he was noit rated at all by the faithful - he even was referred to as lead boots - as he didn't seem to be able to beat a player - was he uncommitted? Or just young and inexperienced?
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Roll forward a few season and we suddenly had the best player in the lower leagues on our books!
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Luongo is extremely talented and as he gains experience he will fade less and and his form will remain more constant - he has been picked out by numerous managers this season as the player totally bossing and running the game - something Ritchie was not doing at 21!
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So yes Luongo is probably not worth £1m - but you can only pitch market value against other players leaving from a similar level and when you see who is moving for £1m plus - it doesn't make that price sound ridiculous for him - that's today's ridiculous market
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I hope he doesn't go at all - as I want us to build our team around him as I think he will be a great player
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Wes, N.Thompson, TAH, Byrne, Luongo and L.Thompson - that for me is our core we should build around and would for me be the basis of a good Championship side
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Ranger would have headed that - but it looks like he will never learn so we need to find a new striker to complete the core/spine of the team
[quote][p][bold]Oi Den![/bold] wrote: LR, a million for Luongo? You are most definitely having a laugh. Skilful footballer, yes, but even in today's inflated market £1m buys a lot more than he has offered so far. It was clear from the word go that he has talent. A good player has to be committed as well as talented though, and I'm not sure he has that commitment.[/p][/quote]Spurs are demanding over £1m for Pritchard - is he really worth double or treble Luongo? . Callum Wilson - is rumoured to be leaving Coventry this summer for £3.5m - is he really worth 6 or 7 time Luongo? . Thats extremely harsh to say he is not committed! . Yes he has faded out of games and form has gone up and down but that is because he is young - not to do with commitment! . The lad has played pratically every minute this season in his first year as a pro - that is a big big ask! . Think back to when Ritchie first arrived and couldn't even get in our team, he then returned on loan a 2nd time under the term "deperation signing" as he was noit rated at all by the faithful - he even was referred to as lead boots - as he didn't seem to be able to beat a player - was he uncommitted? Or just young and inexperienced? . Roll forward a few season and we suddenly had the best player in the lower leagues on our books! . Luongo is extremely talented and as he gains experience he will fade less and and his form will remain more constant - he has been picked out by numerous managers this season as the player totally bossing and running the game - something Ritchie was not doing at 21! . So yes Luongo is probably not worth £1m - but you can only pitch market value against other players leaving from a similar level and when you see who is moving for £1m plus - it doesn't make that price sound ridiculous for him - that's today's ridiculous market . I hope he doesn't go at all - as I want us to build our team around him as I think he will be a great player . Wes, N.Thompson, TAH, Byrne, Luongo and L.Thompson - that for me is our core we should build around and would for me be the basis of a good Championship side . Ranger would have headed that - but it looks like he will never learn so we need to find a new striker to complete the core/spine of the team London Red
  • Score: 8

12:35pm Thu 1 May 14

Oi Den! says...

21 years old and having to play once or twice a week for a whole 9 months?! Whatever next for the poor lad?
21 years old and having to play once or twice a week for a whole 9 months?! Whatever next for the poor lad? Oi Den!
  • Score: -8

1:02pm Thu 1 May 14

the wizard says...

LR,
I know where you are coming from, but, Bert Heads babes played 46 league games, League Cup and FA Cup games, all on sodden surfaces during winter with the old leather ball, so sorry, I don't buy into feeling sorry for these guys, and they look tired. A lot of guys in factory jobs also work long hours, on their feet physical hard work and often 10 or 12 hour shifts. They have to man up, develop stamina and get on with it, so I have no sympathy for soccer players, who out side of training actually have to perform once or twice a week. Its up to them to beef up outside of club training, and as for looking tired, well this lot were not properly fit at the start of the season, so exactly who is that down to. They know what the demands are in the game, and if they are properly self motivated as we would like them to be, surely they can do some extra training for their own self esteem outside of the club minimum.
LR, I know where you are coming from, but, Bert Heads babes played 46 league games, League Cup and FA Cup games, all on sodden surfaces during winter with the old leather ball, so sorry, I don't buy into feeling sorry for these guys, and they look tired. A lot of guys in factory jobs also work long hours, on their feet physical hard work and often 10 or 12 hour shifts. They have to man up, develop stamina and get on with it, so I have no sympathy for soccer players, who out side of training actually have to perform once or twice a week. Its up to them to beef up outside of club training, and as for looking tired, well this lot were not properly fit at the start of the season, so exactly who is that down to. They know what the demands are in the game, and if they are properly self motivated as we would like them to be, surely they can do some extra training for their own self esteem outside of the club minimum. the wizard
  • Score: 0

1:22pm Thu 1 May 14

RamsburyRed says...

the wizard wrote:
LR,
I know where you are coming from, but, Bert Heads babes played 46 league games, League Cup and FA Cup games, all on sodden surfaces during winter with the old leather ball, so sorry, I don't buy into feeling sorry for these guys, and they look tired. A lot of guys in factory jobs also work long hours, on their feet physical hard work and often 10 or 12 hour shifts. They have to man up, develop stamina and get on with it, so I have no sympathy for soccer players, who out side of training actually have to perform once or twice a week. Its up to them to beef up outside of club training, and as for looking tired, well this lot were not properly fit at the start of the season, so exactly who is that down to. They know what the demands are in the game, and if they are properly self motivated as we would like them to be, surely they can do some extra training for their own self esteem outside of the club minimum.
Everyone bangs on about this, but the top professionals at the top clubs are managed through the season, they are not expected to play two games a week ad infinitum because they can't give of their best. Yet we are wondering why young players at a lower level can't do it?

It's not just physical fitness or stamina either. It's mental fitness and concentration too.
[quote][p][bold]the wizard[/bold] wrote: LR, I know where you are coming from, but, Bert Heads babes played 46 league games, League Cup and FA Cup games, all on sodden surfaces during winter with the old leather ball, so sorry, I don't buy into feeling sorry for these guys, and they look tired. A lot of guys in factory jobs also work long hours, on their feet physical hard work and often 10 or 12 hour shifts. They have to man up, develop stamina and get on with it, so I have no sympathy for soccer players, who out side of training actually have to perform once or twice a week. Its up to them to beef up outside of club training, and as for looking tired, well this lot were not properly fit at the start of the season, so exactly who is that down to. They know what the demands are in the game, and if they are properly self motivated as we would like them to be, surely they can do some extra training for their own self esteem outside of the club minimum.[/p][/quote]Everyone bangs on about this, but the top professionals at the top clubs are managed through the season, they are not expected to play two games a week ad infinitum because they can't give of their best. Yet we are wondering why young players at a lower level can't do it? It's not just physical fitness or stamina either. It's mental fitness and concentration too. RamsburyRed
  • Score: 3

2:01pm Thu 1 May 14

the don69 says...

Oi Den! wrote:
LR, a million for Luongo? You are most definitely having a laugh. Skilful footballer, yes, but even in today's inflated market £1m buys a lot more than he has offered so far. It was clear from the word go that he has talent. A good player has to be committed as well as talented though, and I'm not sure he has that commitment.
What about £50m for Torres and £35m for Carrol? now that's more than having a laugh Den! it's daylight robbery and legal theft lol. have we sacked our best player,before he boots a few more doors down??????????
[quote][p][bold]Oi Den![/bold] wrote: LR, a million for Luongo? You are most definitely having a laugh. Skilful footballer, yes, but even in today's inflated market £1m buys a lot more than he has offered so far. It was clear from the word go that he has talent. A good player has to be committed as well as talented though, and I'm not sure he has that commitment.[/p][/quote]What about £50m for Torres and £35m for Carrol? now that's more than having a laugh Den! it's daylight robbery and legal theft lol. have we sacked our best player,before he boots a few more doors down?????????? the don69
  • Score: 1

2:23pm Thu 1 May 14

Oxon-Red says...

the wizard wrote:
LR, I know where you are coming from, but, Bert Heads babes played 46 league games, League Cup and FA Cup games, all on sodden surfaces during winter with the old leather ball, so sorry, I don't buy into feeling sorry for these guys, and they look tired. A lot of guys in factory jobs also work long hours, on their feet physical hard work and often 10 or 12 hour shifts. They have to man up, develop stamina and get on with it, so I have no sympathy for soccer players, who out side of training actually have to perform once or twice a week. Its up to them to beef up outside of club training, and as for looking tired, well this lot were not properly fit at the start of the season, so exactly who is that down to. They know what the demands are in the game, and if they are properly self motivated as we would like them to be, surely they can do some extra training for their own self esteem outside of the club minimum.
Man up and develop stamina.

Hurray someone else has identified it is not lack of fitness.

End of the day, Luongo is worth what another club is prepared to pay. In most cases he is a bit like and old car - worth more to the owner than an insurance company is prepared to value it at. For that reason I would like to see him stay at the County Ground and help us win promotion in the near future.

On Jed & Co - Que sera sera

COYMR
[quote][p][bold]the wizard[/bold] wrote: LR, I know where you are coming from, but, Bert Heads babes played 46 league games, League Cup and FA Cup games, all on sodden surfaces during winter with the old leather ball, so sorry, I don't buy into feeling sorry for these guys, and they look tired. A lot of guys in factory jobs also work long hours, on their feet physical hard work and often 10 or 12 hour shifts. They have to man up, develop stamina and get on with it, so I have no sympathy for soccer players, who out side of training actually have to perform once or twice a week. Its up to them to beef up outside of club training, and as for looking tired, well this lot were not properly fit at the start of the season, so exactly who is that down to. They know what the demands are in the game, and if they are properly self motivated as we would like them to be, surely they can do some extra training for their own self esteem outside of the club minimum.[/p][/quote]Man up and develop stamina. Hurray someone else has identified it is not lack of fitness. End of the day, Luongo is worth what another club is prepared to pay. In most cases he is a bit like and old car - worth more to the owner than an insurance company is prepared to value it at. For that reason I would like to see him stay at the County Ground and help us win promotion in the near future. On Jed & Co - Que sera sera COYMR Oxon-Red
  • Score: 1

2:28pm Thu 1 May 14

London Red says...

RamsburyRed wrote:
the wizard wrote: LR, I know where you are coming from, but, Bert Heads babes played 46 league games, League Cup and FA Cup games, all on sodden surfaces during winter with the old leather ball, so sorry, I don't buy into feeling sorry for these guys, and they look tired. A lot of guys in factory jobs also work long hours, on their feet physical hard work and often 10 or 12 hour shifts. They have to man up, develop stamina and get on with it, so I have no sympathy for soccer players, who out side of training actually have to perform once or twice a week. Its up to them to beef up outside of club training, and as for looking tired, well this lot were not properly fit at the start of the season, so exactly who is that down to. They know what the demands are in the game, and if they are properly self motivated as we would like them to be, surely they can do some extra training for their own self esteem outside of the club minimum.
Everyone bangs on about this, but the top professionals at the top clubs are managed through the season, they are not expected to play two games a week ad infinitum because they can't give of their best. Yet we are wondering why young players at a lower level can't do it? It's not just physical fitness or stamina either. It's mental fitness and concentration too.
I'm glad someone else is not stuck in the 1950s or earlier!
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I never said I felt sorry for him - I was just saying why he has not bossed over 60 games this season!
[quote][p][bold]RamsburyRed[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]the wizard[/bold] wrote: LR, I know where you are coming from, but, Bert Heads babes played 46 league games, League Cup and FA Cup games, all on sodden surfaces during winter with the old leather ball, so sorry, I don't buy into feeling sorry for these guys, and they look tired. A lot of guys in factory jobs also work long hours, on their feet physical hard work and often 10 or 12 hour shifts. They have to man up, develop stamina and get on with it, so I have no sympathy for soccer players, who out side of training actually have to perform once or twice a week. Its up to them to beef up outside of club training, and as for looking tired, well this lot were not properly fit at the start of the season, so exactly who is that down to. They know what the demands are in the game, and if they are properly self motivated as we would like them to be, surely they can do some extra training for their own self esteem outside of the club minimum.[/p][/quote]Everyone bangs on about this, but the top professionals at the top clubs are managed through the season, they are not expected to play two games a week ad infinitum because they can't give of their best. Yet we are wondering why young players at a lower level can't do it? It's not just physical fitness or stamina either. It's mental fitness and concentration too.[/p][/quote]I'm glad someone else is not stuck in the 1950s or earlier! . I never said I felt sorry for him - I was just saying why he has not bossed over 60 games this season! London Red
  • Score: 1

3:04pm Thu 1 May 14

AFCBExile says...

London Red wrote:
old town robin wrote:
AFCBExile wrote: The close season gossip is already starting and Sky Sports are saying that we are one of 3 clubs looking at Luongo. I hope that your boardroom wrangles are sorted out soon and you have some stability again for next season. As a local I thought that Cooper has done a pretty good job this season under the circumstances and hopefully will maybe get you into the play-offs next season..
The newspaper I read this morning reported you made losses of £15 million the season you won promotion and are looking to off load some of your top earners. So it would make sense you will be looking for replacements. Whether Luango is good enough to step up to Championship level is still a big question mark. Howe has the right qualities to improve on what Cooper has done with him this season, so good luck with that, but don't think you're going to get him at a give away price like you paid for Richie even though Matt is by far the better player.
That is FFP at work there! . Up from losses of over £3m the year before! . No Wonder Black wanted out if that is what we had to compete with and why Power is looking to restructure the club!
I know it's enough to make your eyes water! Stick around for the 13/14 accounts becaue they'll be even worse than the £15M for this year. The FFP does look a bit of a joke if a club like ours can post up such losses but there must be a way around it (I think that it's our Russki owner converting loans to capital). Stick around for the ground being renamed next season to something like the Taftnet Petrochemicals stadium that will allow him to pump in more millions into the club as a sponsorship deal. Half of me is enjoying the new riches and the Barcelonesque football that i've watched at times this season but the other half misses the days when we were skint developing our own youngsters that played for the first team. I hope that it doesn't go pear shaped but no doubt it will one day and no doubt you'll be wetting yourself when it happens. Pretty much like our own wind up saddos that come on here gloating at your misfortune.
[quote][p][bold]London Red[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]old town robin[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]AFCBExile[/bold] wrote: The close season gossip is already starting and Sky Sports are saying that we are one of 3 clubs looking at Luongo. I hope that your boardroom wrangles are sorted out soon and you have some stability again for next season. As a local I thought that Cooper has done a pretty good job this season under the circumstances and hopefully will maybe get you into the play-offs next season..[/p][/quote]The newspaper I read this morning reported you made losses of £15 million the season you won promotion and are looking to off load some of your top earners. So it would make sense you will be looking for replacements. Whether Luango is good enough to step up to Championship level is still a big question mark. Howe has the right qualities to improve on what Cooper has done with him this season, so good luck with that, but don't think you're going to get him at a give away price like you paid for Richie even though Matt is by far the better player.[/p][/quote]That is FFP at work there! . Up from losses of over £3m the year before! . No Wonder Black wanted out if that is what we had to compete with and why Power is looking to restructure the club![/p][/quote]I know it's enough to make your eyes water! Stick around for the 13/14 accounts becaue they'll be even worse than the £15M for this year. The FFP does look a bit of a joke if a club like ours can post up such losses but there must be a way around it (I think that it's our Russki owner converting loans to capital). Stick around for the ground being renamed next season to something like the Taftnet Petrochemicals stadium that will allow him to pump in more millions into the club as a sponsorship deal. Half of me is enjoying the new riches and the Barcelonesque football that i've watched at times this season but the other half misses the days when we were skint developing our own youngsters that played for the first team. I hope that it doesn't go pear shaped but no doubt it will one day and no doubt you'll be wetting yourself when it happens. Pretty much like our own wind up saddos that come on here gloating at your misfortune. AFCBExile
  • Score: 10

3:09pm Thu 1 May 14

port de soller says...

I served in the Royal Marines and fitness wise you had to be.Fit
These football players get money virtually for just turning up,you can tell with silly injuries they either do not train in a correct manner or don´t give a s--t
No above post quite right Wiz I´m 72 run/walk 5km each day on the beach try to take care,these guys(not all) do not take care of themselves,just collect a pay cheuque
I served in the Royal Marines and fitness wise you had to be.Fit These football players get money virtually for just turning up,you can tell with silly injuries they either do not train in a correct manner or don´t give a s--t No above post quite right Wiz I´m 72 run/walk 5km each day on the beach try to take care,these guys(not all) do not take care of themselves,just collect a pay cheuque port de soller
  • Score: -2

3:45pm Thu 1 May 14

Oi Den! says...

AFCBExile wrote:
London Red wrote:
old town robin wrote:
AFCBExile wrote: The close season gossip is already starting and Sky Sports are saying that we are one of 3 clubs looking at Luongo. I hope that your boardroom wrangles are sorted out soon and you have some stability again for next season. As a local I thought that Cooper has done a pretty good job this season under the circumstances and hopefully will maybe get you into the play-offs next season..
The newspaper I read this morning reported you made losses of £15 million the season you won promotion and are looking to off load some of your top earners. So it would make sense you will be looking for replacements. Whether Luango is good enough to step up to Championship level is still a big question mark. Howe has the right qualities to improve on what Cooper has done with him this season, so good luck with that, but don't think you're going to get him at a give away price like you paid for Richie even though Matt is by far the better player.
That is FFP at work there! . Up from losses of over £3m the year before! . No Wonder Black wanted out if that is what we had to compete with and why Power is looking to restructure the club!
I know it's enough to make your eyes water! Stick around for the 13/14 accounts becaue they'll be even worse than the £15M for this year. The FFP does look a bit of a joke if a club like ours can post up such losses but there must be a way around it (I think that it's our Russki owner converting loans to capital). Stick around for the ground being renamed next season to something like the Taftnet Petrochemicals stadium that will allow him to pump in more millions into the club as a sponsorship deal. Half of me is enjoying the new riches and the Barcelonesque football that i've watched at times this season but the other half misses the days when we were skint developing our own youngsters that played for the first team. I hope that it doesn't go pear shaped but no doubt it will one day and no doubt you'll be wetting yourself when it happens. Pretty much like our own wind up saddos that come on here gloating at your misfortune.
Interesting stuff. We had a lot of discussion about the salary cap on here a couple of years ago. The common belief is that the cap is a percentage of turnover but it's not, it's based on "relevant income". Relevant income includes cash injections via donations and/or equity (those words were from the Football League). So it's not really about financial fair play as most of us would define it. In fact the more cash someone injects, the easier it is for a club to be below the wage cap. It's how we got out of our first transfer embargo when PDC was blowing the owner's money away - the owner simply put more money in.

The cap doesn't seem to be about creating a level playing field (i.e. fair play?); it just appears to be intended to stop clubs spending money they don't have. Fair enough in itself I suppose - but that's not going to stop clubs buying their way to success (however temporary). Most Town fans seemed happy enough with that situation when it was what we were trying to do but there seems to have been a change of mind lately!
[quote][p][bold]AFCBExile[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]London Red[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]old town robin[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]AFCBExile[/bold] wrote: The close season gossip is already starting and Sky Sports are saying that we are one of 3 clubs looking at Luongo. I hope that your boardroom wrangles are sorted out soon and you have some stability again for next season. As a local I thought that Cooper has done a pretty good job this season under the circumstances and hopefully will maybe get you into the play-offs next season..[/p][/quote]The newspaper I read this morning reported you made losses of £15 million the season you won promotion and are looking to off load some of your top earners. So it would make sense you will be looking for replacements. Whether Luango is good enough to step up to Championship level is still a big question mark. Howe has the right qualities to improve on what Cooper has done with him this season, so good luck with that, but don't think you're going to get him at a give away price like you paid for Richie even though Matt is by far the better player.[/p][/quote]That is FFP at work there! . Up from losses of over £3m the year before! . No Wonder Black wanted out if that is what we had to compete with and why Power is looking to restructure the club![/p][/quote]I know it's enough to make your eyes water! Stick around for the 13/14 accounts becaue they'll be even worse than the £15M for this year. The FFP does look a bit of a joke if a club like ours can post up such losses but there must be a way around it (I think that it's our Russki owner converting loans to capital). Stick around for the ground being renamed next season to something like the Taftnet Petrochemicals stadium that will allow him to pump in more millions into the club as a sponsorship deal. Half of me is enjoying the new riches and the Barcelonesque football that i've watched at times this season but the other half misses the days when we were skint developing our own youngsters that played for the first team. I hope that it doesn't go pear shaped but no doubt it will one day and no doubt you'll be wetting yourself when it happens. Pretty much like our own wind up saddos that come on here gloating at your misfortune.[/p][/quote]Interesting stuff. We had a lot of discussion about the salary cap on here a couple of years ago. The common belief is that the cap is a percentage of turnover but it's not, it's based on "relevant income". Relevant income includes cash injections via donations and/or equity (those words were from the Football League). So it's not really about financial fair play as most of us would define it. In fact the more cash someone injects, the easier it is for a club to be below the wage cap. It's how we got out of our first transfer embargo when PDC was blowing the owner's money away - the owner simply put more money in. The cap doesn't seem to be about creating a level playing field (i.e. fair play?); it just appears to be intended to stop clubs spending money they don't have. Fair enough in itself I suppose - but that's not going to stop clubs buying their way to success (however temporary). Most Town fans seemed happy enough with that situation when it was what we were trying to do but there seems to have been a change of mind lately! Oi Den!
  • Score: 0

3:50pm Thu 1 May 14

the wizard says...

London Red wrote:
RamsburyRed wrote:
the wizard wrote: LR, I know where you are coming from, but, Bert Heads babes played 46 league games, League Cup and FA Cup games, all on sodden surfaces during winter with the old leather ball, so sorry, I don't buy into feeling sorry for these guys, and they look tired. A lot of guys in factory jobs also work long hours, on their feet physical hard work and often 10 or 12 hour shifts. They have to man up, develop stamina and get on with it, so I have no sympathy for soccer players, who out side of training actually have to perform once or twice a week. Its up to them to beef up outside of club training, and as for looking tired, well this lot were not properly fit at the start of the season, so exactly who is that down to. They know what the demands are in the game, and if they are properly self motivated as we would like them to be, surely they can do some extra training for their own self esteem outside of the club minimum.
Everyone bangs on about this, but the top professionals at the top clubs are managed through the season, they are not expected to play two games a week ad infinitum because they can't give of their best. Yet we are wondering why young players at a lower level can't do it? It's not just physical fitness or stamina either. It's mental fitness and concentration too.
I'm glad someone else is not stuck in the 1950s or earlier!
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I never said I felt sorry for him - I was just saying why he has not bossed over 60 games this season!
LR, Bert Heads boys were late 60's and YES, if I were the manager I would expect these guys to deliver throughout the season as that is what they are paid to do, and paid quite well I add.

If he is not up to it as you suggest over the full season then he isn't worth the money you are speculating as he needs an understudy to be on hand if he is not up to the task.

Get them fit and you don't need the luxury of carrying extra guys in the squad to cover these under performers. Add the savings on the wages front , insurance etc. Its quite simple really, even Power has said to make the club viable the players have to pull their weight. You lead the rest of us on your view of financial matters and surely a lean, mean, fit squad makes a terrific amount of sense, on the field and on the balance sheet.

We haven't been a patch on fitness this season to what we were in the previous two, that is something most here have said for months. We are not Spurs who have lots of players in comparison, waiting in the wings to take over from injured/fatigued players. This is STFC and we in League One and have to cut our cloth accordingly. Danny Williams and other managers since have not had the luxury of a depth squad during successful seasons as to the numbers we have today. We cannot carry players who are not up to performing for the whole season. At most they sprint short distances of what 6 miles in total per game or even less. I have a neighbour in his late 60's that can run marathons in respectable times, so just what is Luongo's excuse, looks like lazy from here. Bless him. I think he needs to man up to the task, as he clearly hasn't so far. Would he have survived under PDC ? I would say doubtful.
[quote][p][bold]London Red[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]RamsburyRed[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]the wizard[/bold] wrote: LR, I know where you are coming from, but, Bert Heads babes played 46 league games, League Cup and FA Cup games, all on sodden surfaces during winter with the old leather ball, so sorry, I don't buy into feeling sorry for these guys, and they look tired. A lot of guys in factory jobs also work long hours, on their feet physical hard work and often 10 or 12 hour shifts. They have to man up, develop stamina and get on with it, so I have no sympathy for soccer players, who out side of training actually have to perform once or twice a week. Its up to them to beef up outside of club training, and as for looking tired, well this lot were not properly fit at the start of the season, so exactly who is that down to. They know what the demands are in the game, and if they are properly self motivated as we would like them to be, surely they can do some extra training for their own self esteem outside of the club minimum.[/p][/quote]Everyone bangs on about this, but the top professionals at the top clubs are managed through the season, they are not expected to play two games a week ad infinitum because they can't give of their best. Yet we are wondering why young players at a lower level can't do it? It's not just physical fitness or stamina either. It's mental fitness and concentration too.[/p][/quote]I'm glad someone else is not stuck in the 1950s or earlier! . I never said I felt sorry for him - I was just saying why he has not bossed over 60 games this season![/p][/quote]LR, Bert Heads boys were late 60's and YES, if I were the manager I would expect these guys to deliver throughout the season as that is what they are paid to do, and paid quite well I add. If he is not up to it as you suggest over the full season then he isn't worth the money you are speculating as he needs an understudy to be on hand if he is not up to the task. Get them fit and you don't need the luxury of carrying extra guys in the squad to cover these under performers. Add the savings on the wages front , insurance etc. Its quite simple really, even Power has said to make the club viable the players have to pull their weight. You lead the rest of us on your view of financial matters and surely a lean, mean, fit squad makes a terrific amount of sense, on the field and on the balance sheet. We haven't been a patch on fitness this season to what we were in the previous two, that is something most here have said for months. We are not Spurs who have lots of players in comparison, waiting in the wings to take over from injured/fatigued players. This is STFC and we in League One and have to cut our cloth accordingly. Danny Williams and other managers since have not had the luxury of a depth squad during successful seasons as to the numbers we have today. We cannot carry players who are not up to performing for the whole season. At most they sprint short distances of what 6 miles in total per game or even less. I have a neighbour in his late 60's that can run marathons in respectable times, so just what is Luongo's excuse, looks like lazy from here. Bless him. I think he needs to man up to the task, as he clearly hasn't so far. Would he have survived under PDC ? I would say doubtful. the wizard
  • Score: 1

4:35pm Thu 1 May 14

London Red says...

the wizard wrote:
London Red wrote:
RamsburyRed wrote:
the wizard wrote: LR, I know where you are coming from, but, Bert Heads babes played 46 league games, League Cup and FA Cup games, all on sodden surfaces during winter with the old leather ball, so sorry, I don't buy into feeling sorry for these guys, and they look tired. A lot of guys in factory jobs also work long hours, on their feet physical hard work and often 10 or 12 hour shifts. They have to man up, develop stamina and get on with it, so I have no sympathy for soccer players, who out side of training actually have to perform once or twice a week. Its up to them to beef up outside of club training, and as for looking tired, well this lot were not properly fit at the start of the season, so exactly who is that down to. They know what the demands are in the game, and if they are properly self motivated as we would like them to be, surely they can do some extra training for their own self esteem outside of the club minimum.
Everyone bangs on about this, but the top professionals at the top clubs are managed through the season, they are not expected to play two games a week ad infinitum because they can't give of their best. Yet we are wondering why young players at a lower level can't do it? It's not just physical fitness or stamina either. It's mental fitness and concentration too.
I'm glad someone else is not stuck in the 1950s or earlier! . I never said I felt sorry for him - I was just saying why he has not bossed over 60 games this season!
LR, Bert Heads boys were late 60's and YES, if I were the manager I would expect these guys to deliver throughout the season as that is what they are paid to do, and paid quite well I add. If he is not up to it as you suggest over the full season then he isn't worth the money you are speculating as he needs an understudy to be on hand if he is not up to the task. Get them fit and you don't need the luxury of carrying extra guys in the squad to cover these under performers. Add the savings on the wages front , insurance etc. Its quite simple really, even Power has said to make the club viable the players have to pull their weight. You lead the rest of us on your view of financial matters and surely a lean, mean, fit squad makes a terrific amount of sense, on the field and on the balance sheet. We haven't been a patch on fitness this season to what we were in the previous two, that is something most here have said for months. We are not Spurs who have lots of players in comparison, waiting in the wings to take over from injured/fatigued players. This is STFC and we in League One and have to cut our cloth accordingly. Danny Williams and other managers since have not had the luxury of a depth squad during successful seasons as to the numbers we have today. We cannot carry players who are not up to performing for the whole season. At most they sprint short distances of what 6 miles in total per game or even less. I have a neighbour in his late 60's that can run marathons in respectable times, so just what is Luongo's excuse, looks like lazy from here. Bless him. I think he needs to man up to the task, as he clearly hasn't so far. Would he have survived under PDC ? I would say doubtful.
Wiz - that's fine you stick to your massively out of date views of football and some of us will accept reality of today
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Ozil has struggled to make the impact he did at the start of the season through out the campiagn and he was signed for £42m! Having alreasy moved before for over £20m!
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He was managed throughout his whole time at Real - rarely completeing 90 mins as they knew that was the best way to extract the best from him and keep him at his best
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There are numerous other young prospects who too have struggled - each costing millions upon millions and earn what Luongo will in a year in a month or a week!
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Rodwell, Barkley, Ramsey, Wilshire, Townsend, Cleverley, Jones, Smalling to name a few
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Most people realise that kids - as that is what they are in footballing term - don't perform at the top level all the time - that is why you hear of players peaking in their late 20s/early 30s
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Value is not just on current ability but potential as well - and as Luongo is not at his peak he will only get better and better - so people will be paying for a slice of that!
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I'm 100% certain we will see an improvement from him next year as he will have had a whole season under his belt
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I take it you ignored the Ritchie example who went from laughing stock to best player in the lower leages between the age of 21-24!
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Lets not forget the current best player in the world - Ronaldo - who was extremely up and down when he fist joined Man U before developing his game and becoming the best full stop!
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Luongo should be a front runner for player of the year as there are not many who have perfromed to his level this season and for the whole season - so I shocked at how many slate him!
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He is probably only behind Wes, N.Thompson and Pritchard!
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PdC is not really the best example - as hardly anyone survived under him - we went through more players in that 2 seasons than we probably did in the previous decade!
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I doubt anyone could remember every single player who was signed - if they could it would take hours to write!
[quote][p][bold]the wizard[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]London Red[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]RamsburyRed[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]the wizard[/bold] wrote: LR, I know where you are coming from, but, Bert Heads babes played 46 league games, League Cup and FA Cup games, all on sodden surfaces during winter with the old leather ball, so sorry, I don't buy into feeling sorry for these guys, and they look tired. A lot of guys in factory jobs also work long hours, on their feet physical hard work and often 10 or 12 hour shifts. They have to man up, develop stamina and get on with it, so I have no sympathy for soccer players, who out side of training actually have to perform once or twice a week. Its up to them to beef up outside of club training, and as for looking tired, well this lot were not properly fit at the start of the season, so exactly who is that down to. They know what the demands are in the game, and if they are properly self motivated as we would like them to be, surely they can do some extra training for their own self esteem outside of the club minimum.[/p][/quote]Everyone bangs on about this, but the top professionals at the top clubs are managed through the season, they are not expected to play two games a week ad infinitum because they can't give of their best. Yet we are wondering why young players at a lower level can't do it? It's not just physical fitness or stamina either. It's mental fitness and concentration too.[/p][/quote]I'm glad someone else is not stuck in the 1950s or earlier! . I never said I felt sorry for him - I was just saying why he has not bossed over 60 games this season![/p][/quote]LR, Bert Heads boys were late 60's and YES, if I were the manager I would expect these guys to deliver throughout the season as that is what they are paid to do, and paid quite well I add. If he is not up to it as you suggest over the full season then he isn't worth the money you are speculating as he needs an understudy to be on hand if he is not up to the task. Get them fit and you don't need the luxury of carrying extra guys in the squad to cover these under performers. Add the savings on the wages front , insurance etc. Its quite simple really, even Power has said to make the club viable the players have to pull their weight. You lead the rest of us on your view of financial matters and surely a lean, mean, fit squad makes a terrific amount of sense, on the field and on the balance sheet. We haven't been a patch on fitness this season to what we were in the previous two, that is something most here have said for months. We are not Spurs who have lots of players in comparison, waiting in the wings to take over from injured/fatigued players. This is STFC and we in League One and have to cut our cloth accordingly. Danny Williams and other managers since have not had the luxury of a depth squad during successful seasons as to the numbers we have today. We cannot carry players who are not up to performing for the whole season. At most they sprint short distances of what 6 miles in total per game or even less. I have a neighbour in his late 60's that can run marathons in respectable times, so just what is Luongo's excuse, looks like lazy from here. Bless him. I think he needs to man up to the task, as he clearly hasn't so far. Would he have survived under PDC ? I would say doubtful.[/p][/quote]Wiz - that's fine you stick to your massively out of date views of football and some of us will accept reality of today . Ozil has struggled to make the impact he did at the start of the season through out the campiagn and he was signed for £42m! Having alreasy moved before for over £20m! . He was managed throughout his whole time at Real - rarely completeing 90 mins as they knew that was the best way to extract the best from him and keep him at his best . There are numerous other young prospects who too have struggled - each costing millions upon millions and earn what Luongo will in a year in a month or a week! . Rodwell, Barkley, Ramsey, Wilshire, Townsend, Cleverley, Jones, Smalling to name a few . Most people realise that kids - as that is what they are in footballing term - don't perform at the top level all the time - that is why you hear of players peaking in their late 20s/early 30s . Value is not just on current ability but potential as well - and as Luongo is not at his peak he will only get better and better - so people will be paying for a slice of that! . I'm 100% certain we will see an improvement from him next year as he will have had a whole season under his belt . I take it you ignored the Ritchie example who went from laughing stock to best player in the lower leages between the age of 21-24! . Lets not forget the current best player in the world - Ronaldo - who was extremely up and down when he fist joined Man U before developing his game and becoming the best full stop! . Luongo should be a front runner for player of the year as there are not many who have perfromed to his level this season and for the whole season - so I shocked at how many slate him! . He is probably only behind Wes, N.Thompson and Pritchard! . PdC is not really the best example - as hardly anyone survived under him - we went through more players in that 2 seasons than we probably did in the previous decade! . I doubt anyone could remember every single player who was signed - if they could it would take hours to write! London Red
  • Score: 2

4:37pm Thu 1 May 14

MITTED says...

To paraphrase Glenn Hoddle; he didn't buy into the bleats that playing twice a week is exhausting because less training happened in those weeks as a compensator. The only issue playing twice a week is that it reduces the amount of time between games to recover from knocks and injuries.

In 60s, 70s and 80s, there was none of this squad rotation stuff. The likes of Liverpool played in excess of 60 games a season and used about 14 or 15 players a season, in matches with one substitute and dominated at home and abroad for many years.

Nothing but a bunch of **** nowadays! ;o)
To paraphrase Glenn Hoddle; he didn't buy into the bleats that playing twice a week is exhausting because less training happened in those weeks as a compensator. The only issue playing twice a week is that it reduces the amount of time between games to recover from knocks and injuries. In 60s, 70s and 80s, there was none of this squad rotation stuff. The likes of Liverpool played in excess of 60 games a season and used about 14 or 15 players a season, in matches with one substitute and dominated at home and abroad for many years. Nothing but a bunch of **** nowadays! ;o) MITTED
  • Score: -1

4:53pm Thu 1 May 14

the don69 says...

The whisper on social media is chaps, looks like our best player is staying with us!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
The whisper on social media is chaps, looks like our best player is staying with us!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! the don69
  • Score: 2

4:59pm Thu 1 May 14

the wizard says...

LR, I not so sure my views are massively out dated at all. Its only the likes of those that tolerate this nonsense about players being tired that let them get away with it. The guys are professional athletes and you are trying to tell me they are only fit for 90 minutes a week. As long as you and others hold that view then clubs will need bigger squads and financial survival becomes that much harder. Its a nonsense. Does your boss have somebody on stand-by in case you aren't up to it and throw a sickie ???? Does Mo Farrah have a stand in because he doesn't feel up to it, of course not. How far do you go in pandering to these well if not over paid would be professional sports people . Power has to draw the line, and its one thing to come on here setting out balanced books and how we can afford 20+ players plus loans, like some do, when they don't even know what the actual, not predicted, actual gate receipts and advertising/sponsors
hip pot comes too. We have to be able to utilize these players to the maximum to move the club forwards, and if the guy doesn't have the stamina to go the full season then he needs to get it on board so he can. The game is the game and I dare say years back it was a whole lot harder to play then on the mud piles as opposed to most, not all, surfaces these days, Add to that the total lack of facilities like most clubs have today for extra training and recovery from injuries and the like.
LR, I not so sure my views are massively out dated at all. Its only the likes of those that tolerate this nonsense about players being tired that let them get away with it. The guys are professional athletes and you are trying to tell me they are only fit for 90 minutes a week. As long as you and others hold that view then clubs will need bigger squads and financial survival becomes that much harder. Its a nonsense. Does your boss have somebody on stand-by in case you aren't up to it and throw a sickie ???? Does Mo Farrah have a stand in because he doesn't feel up to it, of course not. How far do you go in pandering to these well if not over paid would be professional sports people . Power has to draw the line, and its one thing to come on here setting out balanced books and how we can afford 20+ players plus loans, like some do, when they don't even know what the actual, not predicted, actual gate receipts and advertising/sponsors hip pot comes too. We have to be able to utilize these players to the maximum to move the club forwards, and if the guy doesn't have the stamina to go the full season then he needs to get it on board so he can. The game is the game and I dare say years back it was a whole lot harder to play then on the mud piles as opposed to most, not all, surfaces these days, Add to that the total lack of facilities like most clubs have today for extra training and recovery from injuries and the like. the wizard
  • Score: -2

5:13pm Thu 1 May 14

umpcah says...

the don69 wrote:
The whisper on social media is chaps, looks like our best player is staying with us!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
What ? He hasn`t committed arson yet ! If that`s right there`ll soon be 100+ postings after the announcement !
[quote][p][bold]the don69[/bold] wrote: The whisper on social media is chaps, looks like our best player is staying with us!!!!!!!!!!!!!!![/p][/quote]What ? He hasn`t committed arson yet ! If that`s right there`ll soon be 100+ postings after the announcement ! umpcah
  • Score: 0

5:23pm Thu 1 May 14

jayden says...

London Red wrote:
the wizard wrote:
London Red wrote:
RamsburyRed wrote:
the wizard wrote: LR, I know where you are coming from, but, Bert Heads babes played 46 league games, League Cup and FA Cup games, all on sodden surfaces during winter with the old leather ball, so sorry, I don't buy into feeling sorry for these guys, and they look tired. A lot of guys in factory jobs also work long hours, on their feet physical hard work and often 10 or 12 hour shifts. They have to man up, develop stamina and get on with it, so I have no sympathy for soccer players, who out side of training actually have to perform once or twice a week. Its up to them to beef up outside of club training, and as for looking tired, well this lot were not properly fit at the start of the season, so exactly who is that down to. They know what the demands are in the game, and if they are properly self motivated as we would like them to be, surely they can do some extra training for their own self esteem outside of the club minimum.
Everyone bangs on about this, but the top professionals at the top clubs are managed through the season, they are not expected to play two games a week ad infinitum because they can't give of their best. Yet we are wondering why young players at a lower level can't do it? It's not just physical fitness or stamina either. It's mental fitness and concentration too.
I'm glad someone else is not stuck in the 1950s or earlier! . I never said I felt sorry for him - I was just saying why he has not bossed over 60 games this season!
LR, Bert Heads boys were late 60's and YES, if I were the manager I would expect these guys to deliver throughout the season as that is what they are paid to do, and paid quite well I add. If he is not up to it as you suggest over the full season then he isn't worth the money you are speculating as he needs an understudy to be on hand if he is not up to the task. Get them fit and you don't need the luxury of carrying extra guys in the squad to cover these under performers. Add the savings on the wages front , insurance etc. Its quite simple really, even Power has said to make the club viable the players have to pull their weight. You lead the rest of us on your view of financial matters and surely a lean, mean, fit squad makes a terrific amount of sense, on the field and on the balance sheet. We haven't been a patch on fitness this season to what we were in the previous two, that is something most here have said for months. We are not Spurs who have lots of players in comparison, waiting in the wings to take over from injured/fatigued players. This is STFC and we in League One and have to cut our cloth accordingly. Danny Williams and other managers since have not had the luxury of a depth squad during successful seasons as to the numbers we have today. We cannot carry players who are not up to performing for the whole season. At most they sprint short distances of what 6 miles in total per game or even less. I have a neighbour in his late 60's that can run marathons in respectable times, so just what is Luongo's excuse, looks like lazy from here. Bless him. I think he needs to man up to the task, as he clearly hasn't so far. Would he have survived under PDC ? I would say doubtful.
Wiz - that's fine you stick to your massively out of date views of football and some of us will accept reality of today
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Ozil has struggled to make the impact he did at the start of the season through out the campiagn and he was signed for £42m! Having alreasy moved before for over £20m!
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He was managed throughout his whole time at Real - rarely completeing 90 mins as they knew that was the best way to extract the best from him and keep him at his best
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There are numerous other young prospects who too have struggled - each costing millions upon millions and earn what Luongo will in a year in a month or a week!
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Rodwell, Barkley, Ramsey, Wilshire, Townsend, Cleverley, Jones, Smalling to name a few
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Most people realise that kids - as that is what they are in footballing term - don't perform at the top level all the time - that is why you hear of players peaking in their late 20s/early 30s
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Value is not just on current ability but potential as well - and as Luongo is not at his peak he will only get better and better - so people will be paying for a slice of that!
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I'm 100% certain we will see an improvement from him next year as he will have had a whole season under his belt
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I take it you ignored the Ritchie example who went from laughing stock to best player in the lower leages between the age of 21-24!
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Lets not forget the current best player in the world - Ronaldo - who was extremely up and down when he fist joined Man U before developing his game and becoming the best full stop!
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Luongo should be a front runner for player of the year as there are not many who have perfromed to his level this season and for the whole season - so I shocked at how many slate him!
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He is probably only behind Wes, N.Thompson and Pritchard!
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PdC is not really the best example - as hardly anyone survived under him - we went through more players in that 2 seasons than we probably did in the previous decade!
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I doubt anyone could remember every single player who was signed - if they could it would take hours to write!
"Yeah you won't win anything with kids"
[quote][p][bold]London Red[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]the wizard[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]London Red[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]RamsburyRed[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]the wizard[/bold] wrote: LR, I know where you are coming from, but, Bert Heads babes played 46 league games, League Cup and FA Cup games, all on sodden surfaces during winter with the old leather ball, so sorry, I don't buy into feeling sorry for these guys, and they look tired. A lot of guys in factory jobs also work long hours, on their feet physical hard work and often 10 or 12 hour shifts. They have to man up, develop stamina and get on with it, so I have no sympathy for soccer players, who out side of training actually have to perform once or twice a week. Its up to them to beef up outside of club training, and as for looking tired, well this lot were not properly fit at the start of the season, so exactly who is that down to. They know what the demands are in the game, and if they are properly self motivated as we would like them to be, surely they can do some extra training for their own self esteem outside of the club minimum.[/p][/quote]Everyone bangs on about this, but the top professionals at the top clubs are managed through the season, they are not expected to play two games a week ad infinitum because they can't give of their best. Yet we are wondering why young players at a lower level can't do it? It's not just physical fitness or stamina either. It's mental fitness and concentration too.[/p][/quote]I'm glad someone else is not stuck in the 1950s or earlier! . I never said I felt sorry for him - I was just saying why he has not bossed over 60 games this season![/p][/quote]LR, Bert Heads boys were late 60's and YES, if I were the manager I would expect these guys to deliver throughout the season as that is what they are paid to do, and paid quite well I add. If he is not up to it as you suggest over the full season then he isn't worth the money you are speculating as he needs an understudy to be on hand if he is not up to the task. Get them fit and you don't need the luxury of carrying extra guys in the squad to cover these under performers. Add the savings on the wages front , insurance etc. Its quite simple really, even Power has said to make the club viable the players have to pull their weight. You lead the rest of us on your view of financial matters and surely a lean, mean, fit squad makes a terrific amount of sense, on the field and on the balance sheet. We haven't been a patch on fitness this season to what we were in the previous two, that is something most here have said for months. We are not Spurs who have lots of players in comparison, waiting in the wings to take over from injured/fatigued players. This is STFC and we in League One and have to cut our cloth accordingly. Danny Williams and other managers since have not had the luxury of a depth squad during successful seasons as to the numbers we have today. We cannot carry players who are not up to performing for the whole season. At most they sprint short distances of what 6 miles in total per game or even less. I have a neighbour in his late 60's that can run marathons in respectable times, so just what is Luongo's excuse, looks like lazy from here. Bless him. I think he needs to man up to the task, as he clearly hasn't so far. Would he have survived under PDC ? I would say doubtful.[/p][/quote]Wiz - that's fine you stick to your massively out of date views of football and some of us will accept reality of today . Ozil has struggled to make the impact he did at the start of the season through out the campiagn and he was signed for £42m! Having alreasy moved before for over £20m! . He was managed throughout his whole time at Real - rarely completeing 90 mins as they knew that was the best way to extract the best from him and keep him at his best . There are numerous other young prospects who too have struggled - each costing millions upon millions and earn what Luongo will in a year in a month or a week! . Rodwell, Barkley, Ramsey, Wilshire, Townsend, Cleverley, Jones, Smalling to name a few . Most people realise that kids - as that is what they are in footballing term - don't perform at the top level all the time - that is why you hear of players peaking in their late 20s/early 30s . Value is not just on current ability but potential as well - and as Luongo is not at his peak he will only get better and better - so people will be paying for a slice of that! . I'm 100% certain we will see an improvement from him next year as he will have had a whole season under his belt . I take it you ignored the Ritchie example who went from laughing stock to best player in the lower leages between the age of 21-24! . Lets not forget the current best player in the world - Ronaldo - who was extremely up and down when he fist joined Man U before developing his game and becoming the best full stop! . Luongo should be a front runner for player of the year as there are not many who have perfromed to his level this season and for the whole season - so I shocked at how many slate him! . He is probably only behind Wes, N.Thompson and Pritchard! . PdC is not really the best example - as hardly anyone survived under him - we went through more players in that 2 seasons than we probably did in the previous decade! . I doubt anyone could remember every single player who was signed - if they could it would take hours to write![/p][/quote]"Yeah you won't win anything with kids" jayden
  • Score: 0

5:25pm Thu 1 May 14

the don69 says...

umpcah wrote:
the don69 wrote:
The whisper on social media is chaps, looks like our best player is staying with us!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
What ? He hasn`t committed arson yet ! If that`s right there`ll soon be 100+ postings after the announcement !
Grim will be happy Umpcah! after all he only booted a door down! LOL!!!!!
[quote][p][bold]umpcah[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]the don69[/bold] wrote: The whisper on social media is chaps, looks like our best player is staying with us!!!!!!!!!!!!!!![/p][/quote]What ? He hasn`t committed arson yet ! If that`s right there`ll soon be 100+ postings after the announcement ![/p][/quote]Grim will be happy Umpcah! after all he only booted a door down! LOL!!!!! the don69
  • Score: 0

6:23pm Thu 1 May 14

fredi says...

Update on the boardroom squabbles - court action was precipitated by Power realising just how much Jed and co had taken out of our club and "asking for it back"...Jed then played what he thought was the trump card he had been sitting on for a while, namely that the Option agreement Lee had sought to activate was done so by email and therefore not technically valid and therefore Seebeck was still the true owner of the club. If he could put 3 directors on the Board, remove Power and Shah by majority, then he could ensure nothing nasty came to light. Technically Jed is right, but Lee has a strong legal argument that the court should uphold the spirit of what was agreed and is seeking a quick judgment that sorts this once and for all and lets him focus on planning for next season -Jed wants to delay for as long as possible, maybe hoping to get a payoff and guarantee of non disclosure of what went on before.

As fans, we should be in no doubt by now who the good guys are here. Power has done a pretty amazing job so far in my opinion, backing his shrewd judgment with hard cash when required. Going to the High Court is not cheap, they must be in to six figures already and that undoubtedly will hurt our club. This ownership issue needs to be resolved quickly in Power's favour, and the chancer and his circus need to get out of town. There are still people waiting in the wings with exciting plans for our town and football club but they need clarity on this issue before they will approach Lee. Another interesting summer ahead for all of us then....
Update on the boardroom squabbles - court action was precipitated by Power realising just how much Jed and co had taken out of our club and "asking for it back"...Jed then played what he thought was the trump card he had been sitting on for a while, namely that the Option agreement Lee had sought to activate was done so by email and therefore not technically valid and therefore Seebeck was still the true owner of the club. If he could put 3 directors on the Board, remove Power and Shah by majority, then he could ensure nothing nasty came to light. Technically Jed is right, but Lee has a strong legal argument that the court should uphold the spirit of what was agreed and is seeking a quick judgment that sorts this once and for all and lets him focus on planning for next season -Jed wants to delay for as long as possible, maybe hoping to get a payoff and guarantee of non disclosure of what went on before. As fans, we should be in no doubt by now who the good guys are here. Power has done a pretty amazing job so far in my opinion, backing his shrewd judgment with hard cash when required. Going to the High Court is not cheap, they must be in to six figures already and that undoubtedly will hurt our club. This ownership issue needs to be resolved quickly in Power's favour, and the chancer and his circus need to get out of town. There are still people waiting in the wings with exciting plans for our town and football club but they need clarity on this issue before they will approach Lee. Another interesting summer ahead for all of us then.... fredi
  • Score: 9

7:05pm Thu 1 May 14

Cross-Red says...

Oi Den! wrote:
AFCBExile wrote:
London Red wrote:
old town robin wrote:
AFCBExile wrote: The close season gossip is already starting and Sky Sports are saying that we are one of 3 clubs looking at Luongo. I hope that your boardroom wrangles are sorted out soon and you have some stability again for next season. As a local I thought that Cooper has done a pretty good job this season under the circumstances and hopefully will maybe get you into the play-offs next season..
The newspaper I read this morning reported you made losses of £15 million the season you won promotion and are looking to off load some of your top earners. So it would make sense you will be looking for replacements. Whether Luango is good enough to step up to Championship level is still a big question mark. Howe has the right qualities to improve on what Cooper has done with him this season, so good luck with that, but don't think you're going to get him at a give away price like you paid for Richie even though Matt is by far the better player.
That is FFP at work there! . Up from losses of over £3m the year before! . No Wonder Black wanted out if that is what we had to compete with and why Power is looking to restructure the club!
I know it's enough to make your eyes water! Stick around for the 13/14 accounts becaue they'll be even worse than the £15M for this year. The FFP does look a bit of a joke if a club like ours can post up such losses but there must be a way around it (I think that it's our Russki owner converting loans to capital). Stick around for the ground being renamed next season to something like the Taftnet Petrochemicals stadium that will allow him to pump in more millions into the club as a sponsorship deal. Half of me is enjoying the new riches and the Barcelonesque football that i've watched at times this season but the other half misses the days when we were skint developing our own youngsters that played for the first team. I hope that it doesn't go pear shaped but no doubt it will one day and no doubt you'll be wetting yourself when it happens. Pretty much like our own wind up saddos that come on here gloating at your misfortune.
Interesting stuff. We had a lot of discussion about the salary cap on here a couple of years ago. The common belief is that the cap is a percentage of turnover but it's not, it's based on "relevant income". Relevant income includes cash injections via donations and/or equity (those words were from the Football League). So it's not really about financial fair play as most of us would define it. In fact the more cash someone injects, the easier it is for a club to be below the wage cap. It's how we got out of our first transfer embargo when PDC was blowing the owner's money away - the owner simply put more money in.

The cap doesn't seem to be about creating a level playing field (i.e. fair play?); it just appears to be intended to stop clubs spending money they don't have. Fair enough in itself I suppose - but that's not going to stop clubs buying their way to success (however temporary). Most Town fans seemed happy enough with that situation when it was what we were trying to do but there seems to have been a change of mind lately!
Den,

I think the FFP is going in the right direction but will take time to implement fully without hurting the clubs like Man City, Chelsea and even Bournemouth. I think, my opinion only, that spending will start to be controlled more but it could take many years to get to that stage.

One small step...

COYMR
[quote][p][bold]Oi Den![/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]AFCBExile[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]London Red[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]old town robin[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]AFCBExile[/bold] wrote: The close season gossip is already starting and Sky Sports are saying that we are one of 3 clubs looking at Luongo. I hope that your boardroom wrangles are sorted out soon and you have some stability again for next season. As a local I thought that Cooper has done a pretty good job this season under the circumstances and hopefully will maybe get you into the play-offs next season..[/p][/quote]The newspaper I read this morning reported you made losses of £15 million the season you won promotion and are looking to off load some of your top earners. So it would make sense you will be looking for replacements. Whether Luango is good enough to step up to Championship level is still a big question mark. Howe has the right qualities to improve on what Cooper has done with him this season, so good luck with that, but don't think you're going to get him at a give away price like you paid for Richie even though Matt is by far the better player.[/p][/quote]That is FFP at work there! . Up from losses of over £3m the year before! . No Wonder Black wanted out if that is what we had to compete with and why Power is looking to restructure the club![/p][/quote]I know it's enough to make your eyes water! Stick around for the 13/14 accounts becaue they'll be even worse than the £15M for this year. The FFP does look a bit of a joke if a club like ours can post up such losses but there must be a way around it (I think that it's our Russki owner converting loans to capital). Stick around for the ground being renamed next season to something like the Taftnet Petrochemicals stadium that will allow him to pump in more millions into the club as a sponsorship deal. Half of me is enjoying the new riches and the Barcelonesque football that i've watched at times this season but the other half misses the days when we were skint developing our own youngsters that played for the first team. I hope that it doesn't go pear shaped but no doubt it will one day and no doubt you'll be wetting yourself when it happens. Pretty much like our own wind up saddos that come on here gloating at your misfortune.[/p][/quote]Interesting stuff. We had a lot of discussion about the salary cap on here a couple of years ago. The common belief is that the cap is a percentage of turnover but it's not, it's based on "relevant income". Relevant income includes cash injections via donations and/or equity (those words were from the Football League). So it's not really about financial fair play as most of us would define it. In fact the more cash someone injects, the easier it is for a club to be below the wage cap. It's how we got out of our first transfer embargo when PDC was blowing the owner's money away - the owner simply put more money in. The cap doesn't seem to be about creating a level playing field (i.e. fair play?); it just appears to be intended to stop clubs spending money they don't have. Fair enough in itself I suppose - but that's not going to stop clubs buying their way to success (however temporary). Most Town fans seemed happy enough with that situation when it was what we were trying to do but there seems to have been a change of mind lately![/p][/quote]Den, I think the FFP is going in the right direction but will take time to implement fully without hurting the clubs like Man City, Chelsea and even Bournemouth. I think, my opinion only, that spending will start to be controlled more but it could take many years to get to that stage. One small step... COYMR Cross-Red
  • Score: 0

7:06pm Thu 1 May 14

lifelong red says...

I think staleness is luongo 's biggest problem and one of the main reasons for his drop in form . When you consider, this is his first full season as a pro footballer , then a long hard season in league 1 can take its toll . I would expect him to come back fresher and stronger after the summer break.
I think staleness is luongo 's biggest problem and one of the main reasons for his drop in form . When you consider, this is his first full season as a pro footballer , then a long hard season in league 1 can take its toll . I would expect him to come back fresher and stronger after the summer break. lifelong red
  • Score: 0

7:06pm Thu 1 May 14

MITTED says...

fredi wrote:
Update on the boardroom squabbles - court action was precipitated by Power realising just how much Jed and co had taken out of our club and "asking for it back"...Jed then played what he thought was the trump card he had been sitting on for a while, namely that the Option agreement Lee had sought to activate was done so by email and therefore not technically valid and therefore Seebeck was still the true owner of the club. If he could put 3 directors on the Board, remove Power and Shah by majority, then he could ensure nothing nasty came to light. Technically Jed is right, but Lee has a strong legal argument that the court should uphold the spirit of what was agreed and is seeking a quick judgment that sorts this once and for all and lets him focus on planning for next season -Jed wants to delay for as long as possible, maybe hoping to get a payoff and guarantee of non disclosure of what went on before.

As fans, we should be in no doubt by now who the good guys are here. Power has done a pretty amazing job so far in my opinion, backing his shrewd judgment with hard cash when required. Going to the High Court is not cheap, they must be in to six figures already and that undoubtedly will hurt our club. This ownership issue needs to be resolved quickly in Power's favour, and the chancer and his circus need to get out of town. There are still people waiting in the wings with exciting plans for our town and football club but they need clarity on this issue before they will approach Lee. Another interesting summer ahead for all of us then....
Why am I not surprised by any of this!!!!! I am not convinced by Power but given the choice between him and McCrory, Power wins.
COYR
[quote][p][bold]fredi[/bold] wrote: Update on the boardroom squabbles - court action was precipitated by Power realising just how much Jed and co had taken out of our club and "asking for it back"...Jed then played what he thought was the trump card he had been sitting on for a while, namely that the Option agreement Lee had sought to activate was done so by email and therefore not technically valid and therefore Seebeck was still the true owner of the club. If he could put 3 directors on the Board, remove Power and Shah by majority, then he could ensure nothing nasty came to light. Technically Jed is right, but Lee has a strong legal argument that the court should uphold the spirit of what was agreed and is seeking a quick judgment that sorts this once and for all and lets him focus on planning for next season -Jed wants to delay for as long as possible, maybe hoping to get a payoff and guarantee of non disclosure of what went on before. As fans, we should be in no doubt by now who the good guys are here. Power has done a pretty amazing job so far in my opinion, backing his shrewd judgment with hard cash when required. Going to the High Court is not cheap, they must be in to six figures already and that undoubtedly will hurt our club. This ownership issue needs to be resolved quickly in Power's favour, and the chancer and his circus need to get out of town. There are still people waiting in the wings with exciting plans for our town and football club but they need clarity on this issue before they will approach Lee. Another interesting summer ahead for all of us then....[/p][/quote]Why am I not surprised by any of this!!!!! I am not convinced by Power but given the choice between him and McCrory, Power wins. COYR MITTED
  • Score: 0

7:17pm Thu 1 May 14

London Red says...

the wizard wrote:
LR, I not so sure my views are massively out dated at all. Its only the likes of those that tolerate this nonsense about players being tired that let them get away with it. The guys are professional athletes and you are trying to tell me they are only fit for 90 minutes a week. As long as you and others hold that view then clubs will need bigger squads and financial survival becomes that much harder. Its a nonsense. Does your boss have somebody on stand-by in case you aren't up to it and throw a sickie ???? Does Mo Farrah have a stand in because he doesn't feel up to it, of course not. How far do you go in pandering to these well if not over paid would be professional sports people . Power has to draw the line, and its one thing to come on here setting out balanced books and how we can afford 20+ players plus loans, like some do, when they don't even know what the actual, not predicted, actual gate receipts and advertising/sponsors

hip pot comes too. We have to be able to utilize these players to the maximum to move the club forwards, and if the guy doesn't have the stamina to go the full season then he needs to get it on board so he can. The game is the game and I dare say years back it was a whole lot harder to play then on the mud piles as opposed to most, not all, surfaces these days, Add to that the total lack of facilities like most clubs have today for extra training and recovery from injuries and the like.
Unbelievable - how anyone can slate Luongo for commitment and effort is beyond me!
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Thompson has struggled with form recently and looked like a rest would do him good - you going to turn on him next and tell our captain to take his non committed arse out of town?
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What about Wes with his dip in form - until an injury made him see he did have competition - should he be told to clear off too?
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Luongo is up there with most minutes played - the actual time on the pitch is be issue
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It's experience to learn how to maintain that level - which is not a new thing either - all young players have been through that - even in the 60s!
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Also the bullcr@p about football being harder back in the day is just that - bullcr@p
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The game is played a much faster tempo and players cover considerably more ground these days - far more than 6miles quoted above!
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Opta has shown Beckham to cover over 28k in one game! Unlike Mo that is not a constant run - so uses far more energy to run that distance stop start within 90mins!
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They also travel far more - which puts strain on the body!
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They certainly can't go out on the town and smoke like the old
Boys and make it to the top!
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Also why do pros from those days who are managers and pundits not harp on about in my day if that was he case!
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Yes they are privileged and live the dream and no one feels sorry for them
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It's just some understand like in any job - the younger inexperienced ones don't perform at the highest level 100% of the time
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Yet they do get better with time!
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I'll leave you with a quote - I wonder if you know who said it
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"Next season we will be better - that is our objective. Hopefully our younger players will improve"
[quote][p][bold]the wizard[/bold] wrote: LR, I not so sure my views are massively out dated at all. Its only the likes of those that tolerate this nonsense about players being tired that let them get away with it. The guys are professional athletes and you are trying to tell me they are only fit for 90 minutes a week. As long as you and others hold that view then clubs will need bigger squads and financial survival becomes that much harder. Its a nonsense. Does your boss have somebody on stand-by in case you aren't up to it and throw a sickie ???? Does Mo Farrah have a stand in because he doesn't feel up to it, of course not. How far do you go in pandering to these well if not over paid would be professional sports people . Power has to draw the line, and its one thing to come on here setting out balanced books and how we can afford 20+ players plus loans, like some do, when they don't even know what the actual, not predicted, actual gate receipts and advertising/sponsors hip pot comes too. We have to be able to utilize these players to the maximum to move the club forwards, and if the guy doesn't have the stamina to go the full season then he needs to get it on board so he can. The game is the game and I dare say years back it was a whole lot harder to play then on the mud piles as opposed to most, not all, surfaces these days, Add to that the total lack of facilities like most clubs have today for extra training and recovery from injuries and the like.[/p][/quote]Unbelievable - how anyone can slate Luongo for commitment and effort is beyond me! . Thompson has struggled with form recently and looked like a rest would do him good - you going to turn on him next and tell our captain to take his non committed arse out of town? . What about Wes with his dip in form - until an injury made him see he did have competition - should he be told to clear off too? . Luongo is up there with most minutes played - the actual time on the pitch is be issue . It's experience to learn how to maintain that level - which is not a new thing either - all young players have been through that - even in the 60s! . Also the bullcr@p about football being harder back in the day is just that - bullcr@p . The game is played a much faster tempo and players cover considerably more ground these days - far more than 6miles quoted above! . Opta has shown Beckham to cover over 28k in one game! Unlike Mo that is not a constant run - so uses far more energy to run that distance stop start within 90mins! . They also travel far more - which puts strain on the body! . They certainly can't go out on the town and smoke like the old Boys and make it to the top! . Also why do pros from those days who are managers and pundits not harp on about in my day if that was he case! . Yes they are privileged and live the dream and no one feels sorry for them . It's just some understand like in any job - the younger inexperienced ones don't perform at the highest level 100% of the time . Yet they do get better with time! . I'll leave you with a quote - I wonder if you know who said it . "Next season we will be better - that is our objective. Hopefully our younger players will improve" London Red
  • Score: 4

7:48pm Thu 1 May 14

old town robin says...

lifelong red wrote:
I think staleness is luongo 's biggest problem and one of the main reasons for his drop in form . When you consider, this is his first full season as a pro footballer , then a long hard season in league 1 can take its toll . I would expect him to come back fresher and stronger after the summer break.
I agree with you and others that his drop in form may well be down to staleness from playing too many games, but then I have to ask the question why hasn't his manager seen the same as we do and rested him. Glsdwin has hardly had a look in since his marvellous game against Preston, so he can't use lack of numbers as an excuse even if Kasim, Mason and Harley haven't been available.
[quote][p][bold]lifelong red[/bold] wrote: I think staleness is luongo 's biggest problem and one of the main reasons for his drop in form . When you consider, this is his first full season as a pro footballer , then a long hard season in league 1 can take its toll . I would expect him to come back fresher and stronger after the summer break.[/p][/quote]I agree with you and others that his drop in form may well be down to staleness from playing too many games, but then I have to ask the question why hasn't his manager seen the same as we do and rested him. Glsdwin has hardly had a look in since his marvellous game against Preston, so he can't use lack of numbers as an excuse even if Kasim, Mason and Harley haven't been available. old town robin
  • Score: 0

7:50pm Thu 1 May 14

the wizard says...

LR,

Very predictable, you twist things around to suit your side and not the neutral ground, and this has been said by many on various occasions. Go back to the beginning and look again at what was said, and by the by I have mentioned no other player in this discussion it is you alone that have included others to twist things around. You have also taken the discussion into other topics which were not raised, we were discussing one person and his attitude and no other. The subject was his inability to play the full season as he felt so fatigued . Poor soul, professional athlete paid well to do a job which he admits he is struggling to do. If he were as the pro he claims to be, he would work on his short comings to improve and keep his head out of the press. As goes Becks, one of the best ball players ever, he is an extreme comparison to Luongo, who I strongly suspect does not put in the graft Becks ever did o he would not be at this level, he would be playing for Spurs in the Prem, but as they could see he is not at that level as he obviously doesn't push himself on a week by week basis like Becks did to attain that level, so your comparison is null and void, and you well know it. the fact is he has not worked hard enough away from club training to reach the level say, PDC, wouyld have expected from such a young budding star, good he may well be, consistent he isn't and switches off especially when we go behind. That is a view held by many, not just myself.
LR, Very predictable, you twist things around to suit your side and not the neutral ground, and this has been said by many on various occasions. Go back to the beginning and look again at what was said, and by the by I have mentioned no other player in this discussion it is you alone that have included others to twist things around. You have also taken the discussion into other topics which were not raised, we were discussing one person and his attitude and no other. The subject was his inability to play the full season as he felt so fatigued . Poor soul, professional athlete paid well to do a job which he admits he is struggling to do. If he were as the pro he claims to be, he would work on his short comings to improve and keep his head out of the press. As goes Becks, one of the best ball players ever, he is an extreme comparison to Luongo, who I strongly suspect does not put in the graft Becks ever did o he would not be at this level, he would be playing for Spurs in the Prem, but as they could see he is not at that level as he obviously doesn't push himself on a week by week basis like Becks did to attain that level, so your comparison is null and void, and you well know it. the fact is he has not worked hard enough away from club training to reach the level say, PDC, wouyld have expected from such a young budding star, good he may well be, consistent he isn't and switches off especially when we go behind. That is a view held by many, not just myself. the wizard
  • Score: -6

8:27pm Thu 1 May 14

lifelong red says...

old town robin wrote:
lifelong red wrote:
I think staleness is luongo 's biggest problem and one of the main reasons for his drop in form . When you consider, this is his first full season as a pro footballer , then a long hard season in league 1 can take its toll . I would expect him to come back fresher and stronger after the summer break.
I agree with you and others that his drop in form may well be down to staleness from playing too many games, but then I have to ask the question why hasn't his manager seen the same as we do and rested him. Glsdwin has hardly had a look in since his marvellous game against Preston, so he can't use lack of numbers as an excuse even if Kasim, Mason and Harley haven't been available.
To be fair I think Cooper did rest him for a couple of games , but obviously it was not enough , as I said , I think the summer break will do him a power of good and enable him to re- charge the batteries , yes I do find it strange that Gladwin has not featured more since that superb performance against Preston.
[quote][p][bold]old town robin[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]lifelong red[/bold] wrote: I think staleness is luongo 's biggest problem and one of the main reasons for his drop in form . When you consider, this is his first full season as a pro footballer , then a long hard season in league 1 can take its toll . I would expect him to come back fresher and stronger after the summer break.[/p][/quote]I agree with you and others that his drop in form may well be down to staleness from playing too many games, but then I have to ask the question why hasn't his manager seen the same as we do and rested him. Glsdwin has hardly had a look in since his marvellous game against Preston, so he can't use lack of numbers as an excuse even if Kasim, Mason and Harley haven't been available.[/p][/quote]To be fair I think Cooper did rest him for a couple of games , but obviously it was not enough , as I said , I think the summer break will do him a power of good and enable him to re- charge the batteries , yes I do find it strange that Gladwin has not featured more since that superb performance against Preston. lifelong red
  • Score: 0

9:04pm Thu 1 May 14

Oi Den! says...

fredi wrote:
Update on the boardroom squabbles - court action was precipitated by Power realising just how much Jed and co had taken out of our club and "asking for it back"...Jed then played what he thought was the trump card he had been sitting on for a while, namely that the Option agreement Lee had sought to activate was done so by email and therefore not technically valid and therefore Seebeck was still the true owner of the club. If he could put 3 directors on the Board, remove Power and Shah by majority, then he could ensure nothing nasty came to light. Technically Jed is right, but Lee has a strong legal argument that the court should uphold the spirit of what was agreed and is seeking a quick judgment that sorts this once and for all and lets him focus on planning for next season -Jed wants to delay for as long as possible, maybe hoping to get a payoff and guarantee of non disclosure of what went on before.

As fans, we should be in no doubt by now who the good guys are here. Power has done a pretty amazing job so far in my opinion, backing his shrewd judgment with hard cash when required. Going to the High Court is not cheap, they must be in to six figures already and that undoubtedly will hurt our club. This ownership issue needs to be resolved quickly in Power's favour, and the chancer and his circus need to get out of town. There are still people waiting in the wings with exciting plans for our town and football club but they need clarity on this issue before they will approach Lee. Another interesting summer ahead for all of us then....
Thanks. I think most of us suspected something like this. McCrory has managed to get himself below Dave Mackay in my estimation of people associated with STFC, something I never believed possible.

As far as I can tell, you've not been wrong on anything yet.
"... plans for our town and football club..." is an interesting phrase.
[quote][p][bold]fredi[/bold] wrote: Update on the boardroom squabbles - court action was precipitated by Power realising just how much Jed and co had taken out of our club and "asking for it back"...Jed then played what he thought was the trump card he had been sitting on for a while, namely that the Option agreement Lee had sought to activate was done so by email and therefore not technically valid and therefore Seebeck was still the true owner of the club. If he could put 3 directors on the Board, remove Power and Shah by majority, then he could ensure nothing nasty came to light. Technically Jed is right, but Lee has a strong legal argument that the court should uphold the spirit of what was agreed and is seeking a quick judgment that sorts this once and for all and lets him focus on planning for next season -Jed wants to delay for as long as possible, maybe hoping to get a payoff and guarantee of non disclosure of what went on before. As fans, we should be in no doubt by now who the good guys are here. Power has done a pretty amazing job so far in my opinion, backing his shrewd judgment with hard cash when required. Going to the High Court is not cheap, they must be in to six figures already and that undoubtedly will hurt our club. This ownership issue needs to be resolved quickly in Power's favour, and the chancer and his circus need to get out of town. There are still people waiting in the wings with exciting plans for our town and football club but they need clarity on this issue before they will approach Lee. Another interesting summer ahead for all of us then....[/p][/quote]Thanks. I think most of us suspected something like this. McCrory has managed to get himself below Dave Mackay in my estimation of people associated with STFC, something I never believed possible. As far as I can tell, you've not been wrong on anything yet. "... plans for our town and football club..." is an interesting phrase. Oi Den!
  • Score: 0

9:06pm Thu 1 May 14

London Red says...

the wizard wrote:
LR,

Very predictable, you twist things around to suit your side and not the neutral ground, and this has been said by many on various occasions. Go back to the beginning and look again at what was said, and by the by I have mentioned no other player in this discussion it is you alone that have included others to twist things around. You have also taken the discussion into other topics which were not raised, we were discussing one person and his attitude and no other. The subject was his inability to play the full season as he felt so fatigued . Poor soul, professional athlete paid well to do a job which he admits he is struggling to do. If he were as the pro he claims to be, he would work on his short comings to improve and keep his head out of the press. As goes Becks, one of the best ball players ever, he is an extreme comparison to Luongo, who I strongly suspect does not put in the graft Becks ever did o he would not be at this level, he would be playing for Spurs in the Prem, but as they could see he is not at that level as he obviously doesn't push himself on a week by week basis like Becks did to attain that level, so your comparison is null and void, and you well know it. the fact is he has not worked hard enough away from club training to reach the level say, PDC, wouyld have expected from such a young budding star, good he may well be, consistent he isn't and switches off especially when we go behind. That is a view held by many, not just myself.
Sorry - didn't realise this was just a Luongo bashing exercise!
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Maybe you should do some research on the player you are bashing in future
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The kid with an attitude problem who can't complete a season is the one with the most appearances for us by a country mile!
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He has played 52 - and 43 out of 45 league games!
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He is 7 clear of his nearest rival in appearances
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Yet he needs to Man up?????
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The reason I brought others in and other topics was to try and demonstrate how ridiculous you are being with your Stone Age views - but obviously there is no reasoning with some
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Attitude problem - now I've heard it all!
[quote][p][bold]the wizard[/bold] wrote: LR, Very predictable, you twist things around to suit your side and not the neutral ground, and this has been said by many on various occasions. Go back to the beginning and look again at what was said, and by the by I have mentioned no other player in this discussion it is you alone that have included others to twist things around. You have also taken the discussion into other topics which were not raised, we were discussing one person and his attitude and no other. The subject was his inability to play the full season as he felt so fatigued . Poor soul, professional athlete paid well to do a job which he admits he is struggling to do. If he were as the pro he claims to be, he would work on his short comings to improve and keep his head out of the press. As goes Becks, one of the best ball players ever, he is an extreme comparison to Luongo, who I strongly suspect does not put in the graft Becks ever did o he would not be at this level, he would be playing for Spurs in the Prem, but as they could see he is not at that level as he obviously doesn't push himself on a week by week basis like Becks did to attain that level, so your comparison is null and void, and you well know it. the fact is he has not worked hard enough away from club training to reach the level say, PDC, wouyld have expected from such a young budding star, good he may well be, consistent he isn't and switches off especially when we go behind. That is a view held by many, not just myself.[/p][/quote]Sorry - didn't realise this was just a Luongo bashing exercise! . Maybe you should do some research on the player you are bashing in future . The kid with an attitude problem who can't complete a season is the one with the most appearances for us by a country mile! . He has played 52 - and 43 out of 45 league games! . He is 7 clear of his nearest rival in appearances . Yet he needs to Man up????? . The reason I brought others in and other topics was to try and demonstrate how ridiculous you are being with your Stone Age views - but obviously there is no reasoning with some . Attitude problem - now I've heard it all! London Red
  • Score: 2

9:08pm Thu 1 May 14

London Red says...

lifelong red wrote:
old town robin wrote:
lifelong red wrote:
I think staleness is luongo 's biggest problem and one of the main reasons for his drop in form . When you consider, this is his first full season as a pro footballer , then a long hard season in league 1 can take its toll . I would expect him to come back fresher and stronger after the summer break.
I agree with you and others that his drop in form may well be down to staleness from playing too many games, but then I have to ask the question why hasn't his manager seen the same as we do and rested him. Glsdwin has hardly had a look in since his marvellous game against Preston, so he can't use lack of numbers as an excuse even if Kasim, Mason and Harley haven't been available.
To be fair I think Cooper did rest him for a couple of games , but obviously it was not enough , as I said , I think the summer break will do him a power of good and enable him to re- charge the batteries , yes I do find it strange that Gladwin has not featured more since that superb performance against Preston.
Also we haven't had that many option to replace him with - so no choice even if it is for his own good
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But I'm surprised he has played so much with his attitude problem!!!!!
[quote][p][bold]lifelong red[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]old town robin[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]lifelong red[/bold] wrote: I think staleness is luongo 's biggest problem and one of the main reasons for his drop in form . When you consider, this is his first full season as a pro footballer , then a long hard season in league 1 can take its toll . I would expect him to come back fresher and stronger after the summer break.[/p][/quote]I agree with you and others that his drop in form may well be down to staleness from playing too many games, but then I have to ask the question why hasn't his manager seen the same as we do and rested him. Glsdwin has hardly had a look in since his marvellous game against Preston, so he can't use lack of numbers as an excuse even if Kasim, Mason and Harley haven't been available.[/p][/quote]To be fair I think Cooper did rest him for a couple of games , but obviously it was not enough , as I said , I think the summer break will do him a power of good and enable him to re- charge the batteries , yes I do find it strange that Gladwin has not featured more since that superb performance against Preston.[/p][/quote]Also we haven't had that many option to replace him with - so no choice even if it is for his own good . But I'm surprised he has played so much with his attitude problem!!!!! London Red
  • Score: 1

9:29pm Thu 1 May 14

Oi Den! says...

LR, methinks thy knickers need untwisting. A couple of people express their views and you launch into them as if they've committed some terrible crime.
The game may have changed over the years but it's still 90 minutes football - occasionally twice - in a week. I can't believe it's beyond the wit of managers and coaches to scale the training back to fit with the fixture schedule.

It seems to me that the youth card is being overplayed again and is really a bit of a red herring. Luongo had some great games at the start of the season and, like many of his teammates, struggled in the depths of winter. If it's not about their commitment, it may be about their ability to adapt to difficult conditions.

You could be right about Luongo getting better in the future but I don't see how you can say it with such certainty. If it was that certain, I'm sure Ipswich would have snapped him up when they had him on loan. Potential does not mean guaranteed future success. Loads of players fail to live up to their promise.

This debate started with your comment that we should expect £1m for him. As said above, he's worth what someone is prepared to pay. IMO that's nowhere near £1m - and I think the same goes for Pritchard. Just my opinion, so please don't have me hung drawn and quartered!
LR, methinks thy knickers need untwisting. A couple of people express their views and you launch into them as if they've committed some terrible crime. The game may have changed over the years but it's still 90 minutes football - occasionally twice - in a week. I can't believe it's beyond the wit of managers and coaches to scale the training back to fit with the fixture schedule. It seems to me that the youth card is being overplayed again and is really a bit of a red herring. Luongo had some great games at the start of the season and, like many of his teammates, struggled in the depths of winter. If it's not about their commitment, it may be about their ability to adapt to difficult conditions. You could be right about Luongo getting better in the future but I don't see how you can say it with such certainty. If it was that certain, I'm sure Ipswich would have snapped him up when they had him on loan. Potential does not mean guaranteed future success. Loads of players fail to live up to their promise. This debate started with your comment that we should expect £1m for him. As said above, he's worth what someone is prepared to pay. IMO that's nowhere near £1m - and I think the same goes for Pritchard. Just my opinion, so please don't have me hung drawn and quartered! Oi Den!
  • Score: -2

10:08pm Thu 1 May 14

London Red says...

Oi Den! wrote:
LR, methinks thy knickers need untwisting. A couple of people express their views and you launch into them as if they've committed some terrible crime.
The game may have changed over the years but it's still 90 minutes football - occasionally twice - in a week. I can't believe it's beyond the wit of managers and coaches to scale the training back to fit with the fixture schedule.

It seems to me that the youth card is being overplayed again and is really a bit of a red herring. Luongo had some great games at the start of the season and, like many of his teammates, struggled in the depths of winter. If it's not about their commitment, it may be about their ability to adapt to difficult conditions.

You could be right about Luongo getting better in the future but I don't see how you can say it with such certainty. If it was that certain, I'm sure Ipswich would have snapped him up when they had him on loan. Potential does not mean guaranteed future success. Loads of players fail to live up to their promise.

This debate started with your comment that we should expect £1m for him. As said above, he's worth what someone is prepared to pay. IMO that's nowhere near £1m - and I think the same goes for Pritchard. Just my opinion, so please don't have me hung drawn and quartered!
You were the one who brought his commitment into it which yes I have taken offence too
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He may not be perfect but he has been an excellent servant to us this season and commitment should not be one of his criticisms!
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I hope he is here next season as we need more like him - not less!
[quote][p][bold]Oi Den![/bold] wrote: LR, methinks thy knickers need untwisting. A couple of people express their views and you launch into them as if they've committed some terrible crime. The game may have changed over the years but it's still 90 minutes football - occasionally twice - in a week. I can't believe it's beyond the wit of managers and coaches to scale the training back to fit with the fixture schedule. It seems to me that the youth card is being overplayed again and is really a bit of a red herring. Luongo had some great games at the start of the season and, like many of his teammates, struggled in the depths of winter. If it's not about their commitment, it may be about their ability to adapt to difficult conditions. You could be right about Luongo getting better in the future but I don't see how you can say it with such certainty. If it was that certain, I'm sure Ipswich would have snapped him up when they had him on loan. Potential does not mean guaranteed future success. Loads of players fail to live up to their promise. This debate started with your comment that we should expect £1m for him. As said above, he's worth what someone is prepared to pay. IMO that's nowhere near £1m - and I think the same goes for Pritchard. Just my opinion, so please don't have me hung drawn and quartered![/p][/quote]You were the one who brought his commitment into it which yes I have taken offence too . He may not be perfect but he has been an excellent servant to us this season and commitment should not be one of his criticisms! . I hope he is here next season as we need more like him - not less! London Red
  • Score: 2

10:22pm Thu 1 May 14

Oi Den! says...

LR, I like Luongo. I've said before that he's one of the best players in the club. That said, I think it's undeniable that he's at least APPEARED to lack commitment, by not tracking back etc. Plenty of others have commented on it over several weeks, so I don't see why it causes you such offence. Perhaps you missed the games where he's appeared to be in need of a kick up the backside.
LR, I like Luongo. I've said before that he's one of the best players in the club. That said, I think it's undeniable that he's at least APPEARED to lack commitment, by not tracking back etc. Plenty of others have commented on it over several weeks, so I don't see why it causes you such offence. Perhaps you missed the games where he's appeared to be in need of a kick up the backside. Oi Den!
  • Score: 1

10:58pm Thu 1 May 14

the wizard says...

LR, Appearances mean nothing if you are not prepared as Den has kindly and rightly commented, to put in the full shift, going forwards and tracking back. He does seem to love his bit of the park, and this is what the crux of the matter is, he has no energy, and his surges forward are fine, but when its a good day for him. In some games he has been far from competitive. My views are not stone age and you just don't like it when somebody stands up to you. You post a lot of good stuff but at times you will not consider that others have a justified view. My view still stands as per this morning, if he goes to the World Cup he will hopefully get different training to what he gets here, but the full season here has been harder than he probably thought. He's OK but yet to shine, despite having some of the best coaching around at Spurs. He is not all singing-all dancing to the level you chose to put him in, which is why he was sold to a League One club, because that is his level, and as goes price, realistically, well , £250-£300 k as he still has a long way to go, and his head drops too easily when we go behind. Maybe he will come good next season, and lets hope he does, but he still has a lot to prove. Maybe also he is one of your favourites, I've nothing against that either, but we have seen many players here who thought they were a cut above, when really they were not, Sheehan is a blinding example of that, and where is he right now, Notts Co, the same level now as when he left us because he thought he was Championship material. In his eyes only.
LR, Appearances mean nothing if you are not prepared as Den has kindly and rightly commented, to put in the full shift, going forwards and tracking back. He does seem to love his bit of the park, and this is what the crux of the matter is, he has no energy, and his surges forward are fine, but when its a good day for him. In some games he has been far from competitive. My views are not stone age and you just don't like it when somebody stands up to you. You post a lot of good stuff but at times you will not consider that others have a justified view. My view still stands as per this morning, if he goes to the World Cup he will hopefully get different training to what he gets here, but the full season here has been harder than he probably thought. He's OK but yet to shine, despite having some of the best coaching around at Spurs. He is not all singing-all dancing to the level you chose to put him in, which is why he was sold to a League One club, because that is his level, and as goes price, realistically, well , £250-£300 k as he still has a long way to go, and his head drops too easily when we go behind. Maybe he will come good next season, and lets hope he does, but he still has a lot to prove. Maybe also he is one of your favourites, I've nothing against that either, but we have seen many players here who thought they were a cut above, when really they were not, Sheehan is a blinding example of that, and where is he right now, Notts Co, the same level now as when he left us because he thought he was Championship material. In his eyes only. the wizard
  • Score: 0

11:06pm Thu 1 May 14

the wizard says...

Anyway, what is happening to Ranger ?? and I have it on good authority next season we are not fielding a conventional team. Power has been in talks with the games ruling bodies and he is proposing to play Minnions instead as they are cheaper, faster and get injured less and are such little industrious fellas you can never see exactly how many are on the pitch.

At least they will be able to keep their eye on the ball, LOL.
Anyway, what is happening to Ranger ?? and I have it on good authority next season we are not fielding a conventional team. Power has been in talks with the games ruling bodies and he is proposing to play Minnions instead as they are cheaper, faster and get injured less and are such little industrious fellas you can never see exactly how many are on the pitch. At least they will be able to keep their eye on the ball, LOL. the wizard
  • Score: 1

11:50pm Thu 1 May 14

Wilesy says...

Luongo has overall had a very good first season, but would say his form was better in the first half than the second. Maybe linked to tiredness as Cooper has said, but definitely think he will be better for a rest and we will see him improve next season.

He's committed enough imo no problem there, but don't forget he has played in different midfield positions, not just the up and down in a 4-4-2

When he's playing off the striker or attacking midfielder it's not his job to steam back, like wise when holding there are others who get forward more.

No idea what his value might be, but I would think with a good start to next season and a bit of improvement £1m won't be far away.

Interesting view above about Ritchie improving. He really bulked up during a summer and after that started running the show. A few of ours could do with a bit more strength, I'm thinking Michael Smith, Louis, Byrne, Kasim, and Luongo. Storey looks to have been on the weights won't do him any harm either.
Luongo has overall had a very good first season, but would say his form was better in the first half than the second. Maybe linked to tiredness as Cooper has said, but definitely think he will be better for a rest and we will see him improve next season. He's committed enough imo no problem there, but don't forget he has played in different midfield positions, not just the up and down in a 4-4-2 When he's playing off the striker or attacking midfielder it's not his job to steam back, like wise when holding there are others who get forward more. No idea what his value might be, but I would think with a good start to next season and a bit of improvement £1m won't be far away. Interesting view above about Ritchie improving. He really bulked up during a summer and after that started running the show. A few of ours could do with a bit more strength, I'm thinking Michael Smith, Louis, Byrne, Kasim, and Luongo. Storey looks to have been on the weights won't do him any harm either. Wilesy
  • Score: 1

12:13am Fri 2 May 14

the wizard says...

Wilesy wrote:
Luongo has overall had a very good first season, but would say his form was better in the first half than the second. Maybe linked to tiredness as Cooper has said, but definitely think he will be better for a rest and we will see him improve next season.

He's committed enough imo no problem there, but don't forget he has played in different midfield positions, not just the up and down in a 4-4-2

When he's playing off the striker or attacking midfielder it's not his job to steam back, like wise when holding there are others who get forward more.

No idea what his value might be, but I would think with a good start to next season and a bit of improvement £1m won't be far away.

Interesting view above about Ritchie improving. He really bulked up during a summer and after that started running the show. A few of ours could do with a bit more strength, I'm thinking Michael Smith, Louis, Byrne, Kasim, and Luongo. Storey looks to have been on the weights won't do him any harm either.
Wilesy, As usual a good reflective post. I'm not so sure on the valuation though. I think he will have to take a big step up to reach £1M, but we will have to wait and see. You raise a good point here about baulking up, and that is very valid, as the players you list are easily muscled off the ball and NT could do with some weight training to improve as well. You mention Matt Ritchie, always a busy player and I don't see that degree of urgency within Luongo. He is different , and seems to be quite measured in what he does. Anyway, we will have to await the outcome of the court case first as I see that as defining just who will still be here next season. I just hope Power is able to get over the line first.
[quote][p][bold]Wilesy[/bold] wrote: Luongo has overall had a very good first season, but would say his form was better in the first half than the second. Maybe linked to tiredness as Cooper has said, but definitely think he will be better for a rest and we will see him improve next season. He's committed enough imo no problem there, but don't forget he has played in different midfield positions, not just the up and down in a 4-4-2 When he's playing off the striker or attacking midfielder it's not his job to steam back, like wise when holding there are others who get forward more. No idea what his value might be, but I would think with a good start to next season and a bit of improvement £1m won't be far away. Interesting view above about Ritchie improving. He really bulked up during a summer and after that started running the show. A few of ours could do with a bit more strength, I'm thinking Michael Smith, Louis, Byrne, Kasim, and Luongo. Storey looks to have been on the weights won't do him any harm either.[/p][/quote]Wilesy, As usual a good reflective post. I'm not so sure on the valuation though. I think he will have to take a big step up to reach £1M, but we will have to wait and see. You raise a good point here about baulking up, and that is very valid, as the players you list are easily muscled off the ball and NT could do with some weight training to improve as well. You mention Matt Ritchie, always a busy player and I don't see that degree of urgency within Luongo. He is different , and seems to be quite measured in what he does. Anyway, we will have to await the outcome of the court case first as I see that as defining just who will still be here next season. I just hope Power is able to get over the line first. the wizard
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8:12am Fri 2 May 14

London Red says...

Oi Den! wrote:
LR, I like Luongo. I've said before that he's one of the best players in the club. That said, I think it's undeniable that he's at least APPEARED to lack commitment, by not tracking back etc. Plenty of others have commented on it over several weeks, so I don't see why it causes you such offence. Perhaps you missed the games where he's appeared to be in need of a kick up the backside.
Den - that's different to your original comment where you just dished out a one liner questioning his commitment - which is totally harsh
.
However - the above makes more sense - but as Wisely has already described doesn't necessarily mean commitment issues
.
That is probably one area of his game which needs working on - especially
If he is going to play multiple roles in midfield - as he is not just in the hole where tracking back isn't top priority
.
But that was what my Ritchie point was about - he was not the Ritchie we were all gutted left when he arrived - he grew developed his game and matured into a fantastic player
.
Yes potential does not guarantee sucess - but I think we have seen enough from Luongo to see if he does listen and work on certain aspects he too will grow develop and mature into a player we will be gutted to see go
.
Now if Power gets another couple of Luongo and Byrne in this summer I will be more than happy!
[quote][p][bold]Oi Den![/bold] wrote: LR, I like Luongo. I've said before that he's one of the best players in the club. That said, I think it's undeniable that he's at least APPEARED to lack commitment, by not tracking back etc. Plenty of others have commented on it over several weeks, so I don't see why it causes you such offence. Perhaps you missed the games where he's appeared to be in need of a kick up the backside.[/p][/quote]Den - that's different to your original comment where you just dished out a one liner questioning his commitment - which is totally harsh . However - the above makes more sense - but as Wisely has already described doesn't necessarily mean commitment issues . That is probably one area of his game which needs working on - especially If he is going to play multiple roles in midfield - as he is not just in the hole where tracking back isn't top priority . But that was what my Ritchie point was about - he was not the Ritchie we were all gutted left when he arrived - he grew developed his game and matured into a fantastic player . Yes potential does not guarantee sucess - but I think we have seen enough from Luongo to see if he does listen and work on certain aspects he too will grow develop and mature into a player we will be gutted to see go . Now if Power gets another couple of Luongo and Byrne in this summer I will be more than happy! London Red
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9:24am Fri 2 May 14

Brainy_G93 says...

Whether it's commitment, age or whatever, I don't know. What I do know is that Luongo tailed off badly towards the end of the season whereas Jay, an awful lot older and carrying an injury got better and better.
Whether it's commitment, age or whatever, I don't know. What I do know is that Luongo tailed off badly towards the end of the season whereas Jay, an awful lot older and carrying an injury got better and better. Brainy_G93
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9:30am Fri 2 May 14

Wilesy says...

London Red wrote:
Oi Den! wrote:
LR, I like Luongo. I've said before that he's one of the best players in the club. That said, I think it's undeniable that he's at least APPEARED to lack commitment, by not tracking back etc. Plenty of others have commented on it over several weeks, so I don't see why it causes you such offence. Perhaps you missed the games where he's appeared to be in need of a kick up the backside.
Den - that's different to your original comment where you just dished out a one liner questioning his commitment - which is totally harsh
.
However - the above makes more sense - but as Wisely has already described doesn't necessarily mean commitment issues
.
That is probably one area of his game which needs working on - especially
If he is going to play multiple roles in midfield - as he is not just in the hole where tracking back isn't top priority
.
But that was what my Ritchie point was about - he was not the Ritchie we were all gutted left when he arrived - he grew developed his game and matured into a fantastic player
.
Yes potential does not guarantee sucess - but I think we have seen enough from Luongo to see if he does listen and work on certain aspects he too will grow develop and mature into a player we will be gutted to see go
.
Now if Power gets another couple of Luongo and Byrne in this summer I will be more than happy!
Also think Luongo could do with just improving his decision making in the final third a bit. Earlier in the season he was banging in a few rockets, and making killer passes and stood out a bit. Been a bit quieter on the goals and assists second half of season, and looking at his play he sometimes seems to delay the shot or pass and the opportunity goes or he gets closed down.

On the positive side though he can play with both feet, and I remember the Plymouth game in the JPT where he was playing every pass while looking the wrong way, and that was impressive when they were playing quick passing triangles......

Every confidence he will improve next season, and fully expect others like Louis, Byrne and Kasim to improve as well.
[quote][p][bold]London Red[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Oi Den![/bold] wrote: LR, I like Luongo. I've said before that he's one of the best players in the club. That said, I think it's undeniable that he's at least APPEARED to lack commitment, by not tracking back etc. Plenty of others have commented on it over several weeks, so I don't see why it causes you such offence. Perhaps you missed the games where he's appeared to be in need of a kick up the backside.[/p][/quote]Den - that's different to your original comment where you just dished out a one liner questioning his commitment - which is totally harsh . However - the above makes more sense - but as Wisely has already described doesn't necessarily mean commitment issues . That is probably one area of his game which needs working on - especially If he is going to play multiple roles in midfield - as he is not just in the hole where tracking back isn't top priority . But that was what my Ritchie point was about - he was not the Ritchie we were all gutted left when he arrived - he grew developed his game and matured into a fantastic player . Yes potential does not guarantee sucess - but I think we have seen enough from Luongo to see if he does listen and work on certain aspects he too will grow develop and mature into a player we will be gutted to see go . Now if Power gets another couple of Luongo and Byrne in this summer I will be more than happy![/p][/quote]Also think Luongo could do with just improving his decision making in the final third a bit. Earlier in the season he was banging in a few rockets, and making killer passes and stood out a bit. Been a bit quieter on the goals and assists second half of season, and looking at his play he sometimes seems to delay the shot or pass and the opportunity goes or he gets closed down. On the positive side though he can play with both feet, and I remember the Plymouth game in the JPT where he was playing every pass while looking the wrong way, and that was impressive when they were playing quick passing triangles...... Every confidence he will improve next season, and fully expect others like Louis, Byrne and Kasim to improve as well. Wilesy
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10:56am Fri 2 May 14

London Red says...

Wilesy wrote:
London Red wrote:
Oi Den! wrote: LR, I like Luongo. I've said before that he's one of the best players in the club. That said, I think it's undeniable that he's at least APPEARED to lack commitment, by not tracking back etc. Plenty of others have commented on it over several weeks, so I don't see why it causes you such offence. Perhaps you missed the games where he's appeared to be in need of a kick up the backside.
Den - that's different to your original comment where you just dished out a one liner questioning his commitment - which is totally harsh . However - the above makes more sense - but as Wisely has already described doesn't necessarily mean commitment issues . That is probably one area of his game which needs working on - especially If he is going to play multiple roles in midfield - as he is not just in the hole where tracking back isn't top priority . But that was what my Ritchie point was about - he was not the Ritchie we were all gutted left when he arrived - he grew developed his game and matured into a fantastic player . Yes potential does not guarantee sucess - but I think we have seen enough from Luongo to see if he does listen and work on certain aspects he too will grow develop and mature into a player we will be gutted to see go . Now if Power gets another couple of Luongo and Byrne in this summer I will be more than happy!
Also think Luongo could do with just improving his decision making in the final third a bit. Earlier in the season he was banging in a few rockets, and making killer passes and stood out a bit. Been a bit quieter on the goals and assists second half of season, and looking at his play he sometimes seems to delay the shot or pass and the opportunity goes or he gets closed down. On the positive side though he can play with both feet, and I remember the Plymouth game in the JPT where he was playing every pass while looking the wrong way, and that was impressive when they were playing quick passing triangles...... Every confidence he will improve next season, and fully expect others like Louis, Byrne and Kasim to improve as well.
That could be down to the players around him - if he doesn't have Mason, Ranger and Ajose making runs or drawing defenders away - he doesn't have the options to play that ball or have space for a shot
.
Still if he was perfect at 21 - he would not be STFC player!
.
What we have though is a great prospect tied down for the next 2 or 3 years who hopefully will get better and better and we will see the benefits of that either on or off the field or both!
[quote][p][bold]Wilesy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]London Red[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Oi Den![/bold] wrote: LR, I like Luongo. I've said before that he's one of the best players in the club. That said, I think it's undeniable that he's at least APPEARED to lack commitment, by not tracking back etc. Plenty of others have commented on it over several weeks, so I don't see why it causes you such offence. Perhaps you missed the games where he's appeared to be in need of a kick up the backside.[/p][/quote]Den - that's different to your original comment where you just dished out a one liner questioning his commitment - which is totally harsh . However - the above makes more sense - but as Wisely has already described doesn't necessarily mean commitment issues . That is probably one area of his game which needs working on - especially If he is going to play multiple roles in midfield - as he is not just in the hole where tracking back isn't top priority . But that was what my Ritchie point was about - he was not the Ritchie we were all gutted left when he arrived - he grew developed his game and matured into a fantastic player . Yes potential does not guarantee sucess - but I think we have seen enough from Luongo to see if he does listen and work on certain aspects he too will grow develop and mature into a player we will be gutted to see go . Now if Power gets another couple of Luongo and Byrne in this summer I will be more than happy![/p][/quote]Also think Luongo could do with just improving his decision making in the final third a bit. Earlier in the season he was banging in a few rockets, and making killer passes and stood out a bit. Been a bit quieter on the goals and assists second half of season, and looking at his play he sometimes seems to delay the shot or pass and the opportunity goes or he gets closed down. On the positive side though he can play with both feet, and I remember the Plymouth game in the JPT where he was playing every pass while looking the wrong way, and that was impressive when they were playing quick passing triangles...... Every confidence he will improve next season, and fully expect others like Louis, Byrne and Kasim to improve as well.[/p][/quote]That could be down to the players around him - if he doesn't have Mason, Ranger and Ajose making runs or drawing defenders away - he doesn't have the options to play that ball or have space for a shot . Still if he was perfect at 21 - he would not be STFC player! . What we have though is a great prospect tied down for the next 2 or 3 years who hopefully will get better and better and we will see the benefits of that either on or off the field or both! London Red
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3:28pm Fri 2 May 14

London Red says...

One for you Den:

http://www.bbc.co.uk
/sport/0/football/27
258633
One for you Den: http://www.bbc.co.uk /sport/0/football/27 258633 London Red
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