Former Town striker Vincent Pericard goes into detail as he talks about what can be done to help footballers suffering from depression

The Wiltshire Gazette and Herald: Depression got the better of former Town striker Vincent Pericard who had to retire from football age 29 Depression got the better of former Town striker Vincent Pericard who had to retire from football age 29

BOTH the football and media industries have an equal responsibility to enlighten players and fans about the effects and treatment of depression in the sport, according to former Swindon Town striker Vincent Pericard.

The 31-year-old, whose time at the County Ground was spent in the deepest depths of a very personal struggle with the illness – to the point at which he considered taking his own life – is leading the calls for more to be done to educate everyone involved in the game about the disease.

Pericard’s company, Elite Welfare Management (EWM), was conceived from the feeling of hopelessness he experienced as the former Juventus prospect meandered out of football through non-league at the age of 29.

Having learnt to cope with his own demons, the ex-Stoke City and Portsmouth forward has now made it his mission to ensure clubs, supporters, newspapers and broadcasters are fully briefed on how the disease manifests itself and its destructive potential to wreck careers.

“Media have got a very big part to play in creating that environment and I think they have done a lot better lately,” says Pericard. “They don’t give as much negative feedback on players. They have tried to be more positive which can help the mentality of a player, how they feel and conduct themselves.

“Maybe we should look at everyone who wants to be a sports journalist and maybe they should be educated on elite sport. I was giving a lecture to the London Communications College and telling them just because they are earning £10,000 a week and driving a fast car, footballers might not be happy.

“I told them to look behind it, to look at depression, the financial burden and they realised that it is more than the Saturday game. Turning that mindset can change their writing style. It would be good to educate more sports journalists.

“It’s everyone’s responsibility. We should be promoting a policy of openness. There shouldn’t be a hidden agenda. You can understand that a club might want to be confidential about the state of their players because another club might use it against them as a tactic but I think there has to be a compromise between the players, the clubs and the media industry. I would welcome the media knowing more about the other side of football.”

One in five people nationwide suffer from some form of depression every year yet the general understanding of the illness is very poor.

Pericard does not blame society in general for failing to educate itself about the issues but he does insist that every industry, and football in particular with its gross public exposure and weight of fame, needs to be given the chance to learn.

“Today it is understandable that people don’t really understand because it’s not really talked about because it’s an invisible illness,” he says. “It’s easy to talk about physical illness because people can see it.

“When it’s invisible it’s hard to talk about it and that’s why there’s so much naivety around depression, mental health issues and it’s sort of dark. Now it’s something that has come to the forefront of public interest – we have to understand that a human being is made of physical and a spiritual presence.

“It’s very important to pay attention to both the physical and the mind. I can’t understand why people haven’t spoken about it but I’m sure, in 10 years’ time, the mind will be talked about equally.

“You just have to look at the stat that one in four people suffer from depression. Footballers are no different to anyone else in that, we are just normal people.”

Clubs, according to Pericard, are starting to wake up to the problem. He has been invited into Manchester United, Manchester City, Stoke City and Reading to talk about his own experiences and give advice to young players, while dialogue has been opened with the PFA and Premier League domestically, as well as the NFL and NBA overseas.

“With EWM, one of our aims is on academic players. When they’re 15 or 16 all they want to do is play football and they will give up their education towards achieving that dream. We know not even one per cent will eventually become a professional football player so it’s very important to educate them and work with the clubs to provide the structure and strategy for those players to have a chance in a second career path if they do not make it,” he says.

“If you give £5,000 a week to any 17-year-old boy it is going to change their life. It changes their relationship they have with their parents because they become the bread-earner and they’re only 17.

“That’s why I think it is so important to start the education as early as possible and change their mindset on money.

“I would have not made some of the mistakes I made on and off the pitch financially, relationship-wise, professionally – I think I would be playing right now and probably be in the Premiership. I believe and the evidence showed I should.

“At 17 I was playing with Juventus. Not just anyone can do that. The fact at 29 I retired playing non-league football means that something other than my talent stopped me fulfilling my potential.

“EWM is a business but it’s not just for money. It’s from my own experience, which is to fulfil a greater need to make life for other people better. Through education I can make the general public more compassionate with friends or those in their workplace then I will have done a great thing and this is what I look forward to do – not just footballers or the wider society.

For fans and young, impressionable players, Pericard stressed that football can appear to be a very different beast from what it really is.

“Being a footballer is not about the high salary and fast car,” he says. “We have to look at the enormous pressure we have. I was 17 when I left France, I went to Juventus – one of the biggest clubs in the world, I had to play alongside Zinedine Zidane and in front of 80,000 people. One bad game and boom, a lot of bad criticism.

“If you couldn’t make it after three years you were out of a job with no education, nothing to fall on. The pressure is immense. We might be given £10,000 a week but we don’t know what to do with it so we get involved with the wrong people, being advised by the wrong financial schemes and all that adds up to pressure. We live in a bubble that is so intense that even one little mistake means game over.”

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8:01am Wed 9 Apr 14

Swindon Crier says...

Sorry I know how bad depression can be but crap player for Town never tried never wanted to play, never interested , waste of space, blame the management as well if they couldn't see it I don't pay good money to watch people like that wear the shirt,
Sorry I know how bad depression can be but crap player for Town never tried never wanted to play, never interested , waste of space, blame the management as well if they couldn't see it I don't pay good money to watch people like that wear the shirt, Swindon Crier
  • Score: -50

8:13am Wed 9 Apr 14

Is that you Lovesey says...

Swindon Crier wrote:
Sorry I know how bad depression can be but crap player for Town never tried never wanted to play, never interested , waste of space, blame the management as well if they couldn't see it I don't pay good money to watch people like that wear the shirt,
Idiot
[quote][p][bold]Swindon Crier[/bold] wrote: Sorry I know how bad depression can be but crap player for Town never tried never wanted to play, never interested , waste of space, blame the management as well if they couldn't see it I don't pay good money to watch people like that wear the shirt,[/p][/quote]Idiot Is that you Lovesey
  • Score: 39

9:51am Wed 9 Apr 14

badger58 says...

Swindon Crier wrote:
Sorry I know how bad depression can be but crap player for Town never tried never wanted to play, never interested , waste of space, blame the management as well if they couldn't see it I don't pay good money to watch people like that wear the shirt,
Swindon Crier you state he never wanted to play and was never interested well my learned friend that is a big sign of depression ! This was a very interesting read well done Sam
[quote][p][bold]Swindon Crier[/bold] wrote: Sorry I know how bad depression can be but crap player for Town never tried never wanted to play, never interested , waste of space, blame the management as well if they couldn't see it I don't pay good money to watch people like that wear the shirt,[/p][/quote]Swindon Crier you state he never wanted to play and was never interested well my learned friend that is a big sign of depression ! This was a very interesting read well done Sam badger58
  • Score: 11

9:57am Wed 9 Apr 14

Swindon Crier says...

Is that you Lovesey wrote:
Swindon Crier wrote:
Sorry I know how bad depression can be but crap player for Town never tried never wanted to play, never interested , waste of space, blame the management as well if they couldn't see it I don't pay good money to watch people like that wear the shirt,
Idiot
I've got just as much right to post on here as you people who spout your destructive views all the time, someone puts on here something slightly controversial and you don't like it ,tough, as I live with someone who has suffered with depression for many years I know the pitfalls, but I also went to Yovil a few years ago when Perricard came on with us 3-1 down and couldn't even be bothered to run, as I said if he was that bad someone should have noticed, and he shouldn't have played at all,
[quote][p][bold]Is that you Lovesey[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Swindon Crier[/bold] wrote: Sorry I know how bad depression can be but crap player for Town never tried never wanted to play, never interested , waste of space, blame the management as well if they couldn't see it I don't pay good money to watch people like that wear the shirt,[/p][/quote]Idiot[/p][/quote]I've got just as much right to post on here as you people who spout your destructive views all the time, someone puts on here something slightly controversial and you don't like it ,tough, as I live with someone who has suffered with depression for many years I know the pitfalls, but I also went to Yovil a few years ago when Perricard came on with us 3-1 down and couldn't even be bothered to run, as I said if he was that bad someone should have noticed, and he shouldn't have played at all, Swindon Crier
  • Score: -24

11:43am Wed 9 Apr 14

themoonraker says...

Swindon Crier wrote:
Is that you Lovesey wrote:
Swindon Crier wrote:
Sorry I know how bad depression can be but crap player for Town never tried never wanted to play, never interested , waste of space, blame the management as well if they couldn't see it I don't pay good money to watch people like that wear the shirt,
Idiot
I've got just as much right to post on here as you people who spout your destructive views all the time, someone puts on here something slightly controversial and you don't like it ,tough, as I live with someone who has suffered with depression for many years I know the pitfalls, but I also went to Yovil a few years ago when Perricard came on with us 3-1 down and couldn't even be bothered to run, as I said if he was that bad someone should have noticed, and he shouldn't have played at all,
You really are a prize pill0ck.........if you live with somebody with depression, you should know better than to post such garbage.
With your attitude no wonder the person you live with is depressed, and you have the audacity to say that you know the pitfalls?
ITYL is correct, you are without doubt an idiot
[quote][p][bold]Swindon Crier[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Is that you Lovesey[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Swindon Crier[/bold] wrote: Sorry I know how bad depression can be but crap player for Town never tried never wanted to play, never interested , waste of space, blame the management as well if they couldn't see it I don't pay good money to watch people like that wear the shirt,[/p][/quote]Idiot[/p][/quote]I've got just as much right to post on here as you people who spout your destructive views all the time, someone puts on here something slightly controversial and you don't like it ,tough, as I live with someone who has suffered with depression for many years I know the pitfalls, but I also went to Yovil a few years ago when Perricard came on with us 3-1 down and couldn't even be bothered to run, as I said if he was that bad someone should have noticed, and he shouldn't have played at all,[/p][/quote]You really are a prize pill0ck.........if you live with somebody with depression, you should know better than to post such garbage. With your attitude no wonder the person you live with is depressed, and you have the audacity to say that you know the pitfalls? ITYL is correct, you are without doubt an idiot themoonraker
  • Score: 14

1:11pm Wed 9 Apr 14

buckobassettboy says...

Swindon Crier you appear to have tapped away posting a flippant comment-we all have been guilty of that-without really thinking it through.I hope you have read through your own words and reflect that you have made a grave error of judgement.All players under perform at various stages of their career but continue to work at their game.For a man who obviously had talent,played at a very high level and slid drastically into obscurity maybe someone should have seen the warning signs long ago.Now we have sports Psychiatrists and associated medical staff because his illness is not an isolated problem.Clinical depression is an illness and should be left to the experts to make judgement-I would suggest that nobody on this forum is an expert.When you look at what happened to Paul Gascoigne it makes you wonder if any progress has been made.
Swindon Crier you appear to have tapped away posting a flippant comment-we all have been guilty of that-without really thinking it through.I hope you have read through your own words and reflect that you have made a grave error of judgement.All players under perform at various stages of their career but continue to work at their game.For a man who obviously had talent,played at a very high level and slid drastically into obscurity maybe someone should have seen the warning signs long ago.Now we have sports Psychiatrists and associated medical staff because his illness is not an isolated problem.Clinical depression is an illness and should be left to the experts to make judgement-I would suggest that nobody on this forum is an expert.When you look at what happened to Paul Gascoigne it makes you wonder if any progress has been made. buckobassettboy
  • Score: 10

1:41pm Wed 9 Apr 14

Swindon Crier says...

buckobassettboy wrote:
Swindon Crier you appear to have tapped away posting a flippant comment-we all have been guilty of that-without really thinking it through.I hope you have read through your own words and reflect that you have made a grave error of judgement.All players under perform at various stages of their career but continue to work at their game.For a man who obviously had talent,played at a very high level and slid drastically into obscurity maybe someone should have seen the warning signs long ago.Now we have sports Psychiatrists and associated medical staff because his illness is not an isolated problem.Clinical depression is an illness and should be left to the experts to make judgement-I would suggest that nobody on this forum is an expert.When you look at what happened to Paul Gascoigne it makes you wonder if any progress has been made.
Really good post unlike the other two who just want to have a pop,but then that's what most of them do on this forum, but I maintain my feelings towards Pericard and if anyone else has constructive critism I welcome it
[quote][p][bold]buckobassettboy[/bold] wrote: Swindon Crier you appear to have tapped away posting a flippant comment-we all have been guilty of that-without really thinking it through.I hope you have read through your own words and reflect that you have made a grave error of judgement.All players under perform at various stages of their career but continue to work at their game.For a man who obviously had talent,played at a very high level and slid drastically into obscurity maybe someone should have seen the warning signs long ago.Now we have sports Psychiatrists and associated medical staff because his illness is not an isolated problem.Clinical depression is an illness and should be left to the experts to make judgement-I would suggest that nobody on this forum is an expert.When you look at what happened to Paul Gascoigne it makes you wonder if any progress has been made.[/p][/quote]Really good post unlike the other two who just want to have a pop,but then that's what most of them do on this forum, but I maintain my feelings towards Pericard and if anyone else has constructive critism I welcome it Swindon Crier
  • Score: -1

3:12pm Wed 9 Apr 14

MisterD says...

Swindon Crier wrote:
Sorry I know how bad depression can be but crap player for Town never tried never wanted to play, never interested , waste of space, blame the management as well if they couldn't see it I don't pay good money to watch people like that wear the shirt,
One day, someone in your family will suffer an 'invisible illness' as described - whether it be depression, epilepsy, or any of the multitude of others. Let's hope that at that point, they'll be sacked, and receive such poor medical and social understanding that suicide seems the only option for them. Then wallow in guilt.
[quote][p][bold]Swindon Crier[/bold] wrote: Sorry I know how bad depression can be but crap player for Town never tried never wanted to play, never interested , waste of space, blame the management as well if they couldn't see it I don't pay good money to watch people like that wear the shirt,[/p][/quote]One day, someone in your family will suffer an 'invisible illness' as described - whether it be depression, epilepsy, or any of the multitude of others. Let's hope that at that point, they'll be sacked, and receive such poor medical and social understanding that suicide seems the only option for them. Then wallow in guilt. MisterD
  • Score: 1

4:50pm Wed 9 Apr 14

Swindon Crier says...

MisterD wrote:
Swindon Crier wrote:
Sorry I know how bad depression can be but crap player for Town never tried never wanted to play, never interested , waste of space, blame the management as well if they couldn't see it I don't pay good money to watch people like that wear the shirt,
One day, someone in your family will suffer an 'invisible illness' as described - whether it be depression, epilepsy, or any of the multitude of others. Let's hope that at that point, they'll be sacked, and receive such poor medical and social understanding that suicide seems the only option for them. Then wallow in guilt.
Unbelievable Your getting personal now, typical rest my case about this forum
[quote][p][bold]MisterD[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Swindon Crier[/bold] wrote: Sorry I know how bad depression can be but crap player for Town never tried never wanted to play, never interested , waste of space, blame the management as well if they couldn't see it I don't pay good money to watch people like that wear the shirt,[/p][/quote]One day, someone in your family will suffer an 'invisible illness' as described - whether it be depression, epilepsy, or any of the multitude of others. Let's hope that at that point, they'll be sacked, and receive such poor medical and social understanding that suicide seems the only option for them. Then wallow in guilt.[/p][/quote]Unbelievable Your getting personal now, typical rest my case about this forum Swindon Crier
  • Score: 1

5:12pm Wed 9 Apr 14

stanharlands6shirt says...

Swindon Crier wrote:
Is that you Lovesey wrote:
Swindon Crier wrote:
Sorry I know how bad depression can be but crap player for Town never tried never wanted to play, never interested , waste of space, blame the management as well if they couldn't see it I don't pay good money to watch people like that wear the shirt,
Idiot
I've got just as much right to post on here as you people who spout your destructive views all the time, someone puts on here something slightly controversial and you don't like it ,tough, as I live with someone who has suffered with depression for many years I know the pitfalls, but I also went to Yovil a few years ago when Perricard came on with us 3-1 down and couldn't even be bothered to run, as I said if he was that bad someone should have noticed, and he shouldn't have played at all,
You are so so wrong crier.
I wonder if you were one of those that trolled week in week out about how bad Vinney was?
Everyone who did should after these two articles be more aware of the havoc that can be caused through internet trolling abuse of players and social media in general especially when all we really know is what happens on match days.
It in no way has just Vinnie who has suffered over the last few years on this website. There have been numerous players, GOOD PLAYERS, who have suffered abuse in written form and have had to deal with the barbed comments.
Their form dips and the knives are sharpened. They decide to move on, and suddenly they are scum. Wrong wrong WRONG.
Fortunately there are also many many posters who even though they may feel unhappy with certain players, managers, directors etc, do at least give them a chance.
As for Vinnie being a poor player, I disagree, although I agree we perhaps did not see the best of him at Town. Some games we did however and for those who witnessed the f.a. cup demolition of Plymouth Argyle you will all remember he was awesome that day. His hold up play and power in the air was superb and he chased and chased everything.
Yes you might say it must have been a good day, but it was a great day to witness when a man has the freedom of support from the stands and support on the pitch, Austin, Morrison, Ritchie, McGovern, etc just how good he could be. Peter Reid called it "Men against boys" after the game, and I for one was proud of all of them INCLUDING VINCENT PERICARD.
[quote][p][bold]Swindon Crier[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Is that you Lovesey[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Swindon Crier[/bold] wrote: Sorry I know how bad depression can be but crap player for Town never tried never wanted to play, never interested , waste of space, blame the management as well if they couldn't see it I don't pay good money to watch people like that wear the shirt,[/p][/quote]Idiot[/p][/quote]I've got just as much right to post on here as you people who spout your destructive views all the time, someone puts on here something slightly controversial and you don't like it ,tough, as I live with someone who has suffered with depression for many years I know the pitfalls, but I also went to Yovil a few years ago when Perricard came on with us 3-1 down and couldn't even be bothered to run, as I said if he was that bad someone should have noticed, and he shouldn't have played at all,[/p][/quote]You are so so wrong crier. I wonder if you were one of those that trolled week in week out about how bad Vinney was? Everyone who did should after these two articles be more aware of the havoc that can be caused through internet trolling abuse of players and social media in general especially when all we really know is what happens on match days. It in no way has just Vinnie who has suffered over the last few years on this website. There have been numerous players, GOOD PLAYERS, who have suffered abuse in written form and have had to deal with the barbed comments. Their form dips and the knives are sharpened. They decide to move on, and suddenly they are scum. Wrong wrong WRONG. Fortunately there are also many many posters who even though they may feel unhappy with certain players, managers, directors etc, do at least give them a chance. As for Vinnie being a poor player, I disagree, although I agree we perhaps did not see the best of him at Town. Some games we did however and for those who witnessed the f.a. cup demolition of Plymouth Argyle you will all remember he was awesome that day. His hold up play and power in the air was superb and he chased and chased everything. Yes you might say it must have been a good day, but it was a great day to witness when a man has the freedom of support from the stands and support on the pitch, Austin, Morrison, Ritchie, McGovern, etc just how good he could be. Peter Reid called it "Men against boys" after the game, and I for one was proud of all of them INCLUDING VINCENT PERICARD. stanharlands6shirt
  • Score: 4

6:33pm Wed 9 Apr 14

Swindon Crier says...

stanharlands6shirt wrote:
Swindon Crier wrote:
Is that you Lovesey wrote:
Swindon Crier wrote:
Sorry I know how bad depression can be but crap player for Town never tried never wanted to play, never interested , waste of space, blame the management as well if they couldn't see it I don't pay good money to watch people like that wear the shirt,
Idiot
I've got just as much right to post on here as you people who spout your destructive views all the time, someone puts on here something slightly controversial and you don't like it ,tough, as I live with someone who has suffered with depression for many years I know the pitfalls, but I also went to Yovil a few years ago when Perricard came on with us 3-1 down and couldn't even be bothered to run, as I said if he was that bad someone should have noticed, and he shouldn't have played at all,
You are so so wrong crier.
I wonder if you were one of those that trolled week in week out about how bad Vinney was?
Everyone who did should after these two articles be more aware of the havoc that can be caused through internet trolling abuse of players and social media in general especially when all we really know is what happens on match days.
It in no way has just Vinnie who has suffered over the last few years on this website. There have been numerous players, GOOD PLAYERS, who have suffered abuse in written form and have had to deal with the barbed comments.
Their form dips and the knives are sharpened. They decide to move on, and suddenly they are scum. Wrong wrong WRONG.
Fortunately there are also many many posters who even though they may feel unhappy with certain players, managers, directors etc, do at least give them a chance.
As for Vinnie being a poor player, I disagree, although I agree we perhaps did not see the best of him at Town. Some games we did however and for those who witnessed the f.a. cup demolition of Plymouth Argyle you will all remember he was awesome that day. His hold up play and power in the air was superb and he chased and chased everything.
Yes you might say it must have been a good day, but it was a great day to witness when a man has the freedom of support from the stands and support on the pitch, Austin, Morrison, Ritchie, McGovern, etc just how good he could be. Peter Reid called it "Men against boys" after the game, and I for one was proud of all of them INCLUDING VINCENT PERICARD.
Fair comments didn't see the Plymouth match you are on about, only say about what I see, I don't often comment on these forums and I'm certainly no troll I do my talking or shouting at the match the best way to show your annoyance to players and managers alike I said what I feel about Pericard as a player for STFC as I saw it, and as what many others did at the time
[quote][p][bold]stanharlands6shirt[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Swindon Crier[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Is that you Lovesey[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Swindon Crier[/bold] wrote: Sorry I know how bad depression can be but crap player for Town never tried never wanted to play, never interested , waste of space, blame the management as well if they couldn't see it I don't pay good money to watch people like that wear the shirt,[/p][/quote]Idiot[/p][/quote]I've got just as much right to post on here as you people who spout your destructive views all the time, someone puts on here something slightly controversial and you don't like it ,tough, as I live with someone who has suffered with depression for many years I know the pitfalls, but I also went to Yovil a few years ago when Perricard came on with us 3-1 down and couldn't even be bothered to run, as I said if he was that bad someone should have noticed, and he shouldn't have played at all,[/p][/quote]You are so so wrong crier. I wonder if you were one of those that trolled week in week out about how bad Vinney was? Everyone who did should after these two articles be more aware of the havoc that can be caused through internet trolling abuse of players and social media in general especially when all we really know is what happens on match days. It in no way has just Vinnie who has suffered over the last few years on this website. There have been numerous players, GOOD PLAYERS, who have suffered abuse in written form and have had to deal with the barbed comments. Their form dips and the knives are sharpened. They decide to move on, and suddenly they are scum. Wrong wrong WRONG. Fortunately there are also many many posters who even though they may feel unhappy with certain players, managers, directors etc, do at least give them a chance. As for Vinnie being a poor player, I disagree, although I agree we perhaps did not see the best of him at Town. Some games we did however and for those who witnessed the f.a. cup demolition of Plymouth Argyle you will all remember he was awesome that day. His hold up play and power in the air was superb and he chased and chased everything. Yes you might say it must have been a good day, but it was a great day to witness when a man has the freedom of support from the stands and support on the pitch, Austin, Morrison, Ritchie, McGovern, etc just how good he could be. Peter Reid called it "Men against boys" after the game, and I for one was proud of all of them INCLUDING VINCENT PERICARD.[/p][/quote]Fair comments didn't see the Plymouth match you are on about, only say about what I see, I don't often comment on these forums and I'm certainly no troll I do my talking or shouting at the match the best way to show your annoyance to players and managers alike I said what I feel about Pericard as a player for STFC as I saw it, and as what many others did at the time Swindon Crier
  • Score: -1

7:40pm Wed 9 Apr 14

mancrobin says...

Swindon Crier wrote:
stanharlands6shirt wrote:
Swindon Crier wrote:
Is that you Lovesey wrote:
Swindon Crier wrote:
Sorry I know how bad depression can be but crap player for Town never tried never wanted to play, never interested , waste of space, blame the management as well if they couldn't see it I don't pay good money to watch people like that wear the shirt,
Idiot
I've got just as much right to post on here as you people who spout your destructive views all the time, someone puts on here something slightly controversial and you don't like it ,tough, as I live with someone who has suffered with depression for many years I know the pitfalls, but I also went to Yovil a few years ago when Perricard came on with us 3-1 down and couldn't even be bothered to run, as I said if he was that bad someone should have noticed, and he shouldn't have played at all,
You are so so wrong crier.
I wonder if you were one of those that trolled week in week out about how bad Vinney was?
Everyone who did should after these two articles be more aware of the havoc that can be caused through internet trolling abuse of players and social media in general especially when all we really know is what happens on match days.
It in no way has just Vinnie who has suffered over the last few years on this website. There have been numerous players, GOOD PLAYERS, who have suffered abuse in written form and have had to deal with the barbed comments.
Their form dips and the knives are sharpened. They decide to move on, and suddenly they are scum. Wrong wrong WRONG.
Fortunately there are also many many posters who even though they may feel unhappy with certain players, managers, directors etc, do at least give them a chance.
As for Vinnie being a poor player, I disagree, although I agree we perhaps did not see the best of him at Town. Some games we did however and for those who witnessed the f.a. cup demolition of Plymouth Argyle you will all remember he was awesome that day. His hold up play and power in the air was superb and he chased and chased everything.
Yes you might say it must have been a good day, but it was a great day to witness when a man has the freedom of support from the stands and support on the pitch, Austin, Morrison, Ritchie, McGovern, etc just how good he could be. Peter Reid called it "Men against boys" after the game, and I for one was proud of all of them INCLUDING VINCENT PERICARD.
Fair comments didn't see the Plymouth match you are on about, only say about what I see, I don't often comment on these forums and I'm certainly no troll I do my talking or shouting at the match the best way to show your annoyance to players and managers alike I said what I feel about Pericard as a player for STFC as I saw it, and as what many others did at the time
I think that is an honest point Crier, many of us have shouted that abuse at players not performing. I've heard it argued that by letting off steam, that is good for our mental health!

The main point is despite whatever valid opinion we may have, we might not be aware of the consequences of expressing it so vocally.

It also indicates that managers and coaches need to think differently. They wouldn't play someone who had a broken leg, so why play someone with depression? A bit more openness and honesty about the whole subject would therefore do everyone a favour.
[quote][p][bold]Swindon Crier[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]stanharlands6shirt[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Swindon Crier[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Is that you Lovesey[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Swindon Crier[/bold] wrote: Sorry I know how bad depression can be but crap player for Town never tried never wanted to play, never interested , waste of space, blame the management as well if they couldn't see it I don't pay good money to watch people like that wear the shirt,[/p][/quote]Idiot[/p][/quote]I've got just as much right to post on here as you people who spout your destructive views all the time, someone puts on here something slightly controversial and you don't like it ,tough, as I live with someone who has suffered with depression for many years I know the pitfalls, but I also went to Yovil a few years ago when Perricard came on with us 3-1 down and couldn't even be bothered to run, as I said if he was that bad someone should have noticed, and he shouldn't have played at all,[/p][/quote]You are so so wrong crier. I wonder if you were one of those that trolled week in week out about how bad Vinney was? Everyone who did should after these two articles be more aware of the havoc that can be caused through internet trolling abuse of players and social media in general especially when all we really know is what happens on match days. It in no way has just Vinnie who has suffered over the last few years on this website. There have been numerous players, GOOD PLAYERS, who have suffered abuse in written form and have had to deal with the barbed comments. Their form dips and the knives are sharpened. They decide to move on, and suddenly they are scum. Wrong wrong WRONG. Fortunately there are also many many posters who even though they may feel unhappy with certain players, managers, directors etc, do at least give them a chance. As for Vinnie being a poor player, I disagree, although I agree we perhaps did not see the best of him at Town. Some games we did however and for those who witnessed the f.a. cup demolition of Plymouth Argyle you will all remember he was awesome that day. His hold up play and power in the air was superb and he chased and chased everything. Yes you might say it must have been a good day, but it was a great day to witness when a man has the freedom of support from the stands and support on the pitch, Austin, Morrison, Ritchie, McGovern, etc just how good he could be. Peter Reid called it "Men against boys" after the game, and I for one was proud of all of them INCLUDING VINCENT PERICARD.[/p][/quote]Fair comments didn't see the Plymouth match you are on about, only say about what I see, I don't often comment on these forums and I'm certainly no troll I do my talking or shouting at the match the best way to show your annoyance to players and managers alike I said what I feel about Pericard as a player for STFC as I saw it, and as what many others did at the time[/p][/quote]I think that is an honest point Crier, many of us have shouted that abuse at players not performing. I've heard it argued that by letting off steam, that is good for our mental health! The main point is despite whatever valid opinion we may have, we might not be aware of the consequences of expressing it so vocally. It also indicates that managers and coaches need to think differently. They wouldn't play someone who had a broken leg, so why play someone with depression? A bit more openness and honesty about the whole subject would therefore do everyone a favour. mancrobin
  • Score: 4

9:22pm Wed 9 Apr 14

mug? says...

mancrobin wrote:
Swindon Crier wrote:
stanharlands6shirt wrote:
Swindon Crier wrote:
Is that you Lovesey wrote:
Swindon Crier wrote:
Sorry I know how bad depression can be but crap player for Town never tried never wanted to play, never interested , waste of space, blame the management as well if they couldn't see it I don't pay good money to watch people like that wear the shirt,
Idiot
I've got just as much right to post on here as you people who spout your destructive views all the time, someone puts on here something slightly controversial and you don't like it ,tough, as I live with someone who has suffered with depression for many years I know the pitfalls, but I also went to Yovil a few years ago when Perricard came on with us 3-1 down and couldn't even be bothered to run, as I said if he was that bad someone should have noticed, and he shouldn't have played at all,
You are so so wrong crier.
I wonder if you were one of those that trolled week in week out about how bad Vinney was?
Everyone who did should after these two articles be more aware of the havoc that can be caused through internet trolling abuse of players and social media in general especially when all we really know is what happens on match days.
It in no way has just Vinnie who has suffered over the last few years on this website. There have been numerous players, GOOD PLAYERS, who have suffered abuse in written form and have had to deal with the barbed comments.
Their form dips and the knives are sharpened. They decide to move on, and suddenly they are scum. Wrong wrong WRONG.
Fortunately there are also many many posters who even though they may feel unhappy with certain players, managers, directors etc, do at least give them a chance.
As for Vinnie being a poor player, I disagree, although I agree we perhaps did not see the best of him at Town. Some games we did however and for those who witnessed the f.a. cup demolition of Plymouth Argyle you will all remember he was awesome that day. His hold up play and power in the air was superb and he chased and chased everything.
Yes you might say it must have been a good day, but it was a great day to witness when a man has the freedom of support from the stands and support on the pitch, Austin, Morrison, Ritchie, McGovern, etc just how good he could be. Peter Reid called it "Men against boys" after the game, and I for one was proud of all of them INCLUDING VINCENT PERICARD.
Fair comments didn't see the Plymouth match you are on about, only say about what I see, I don't often comment on these forums and I'm certainly no troll I do my talking or shouting at the match the best way to show your annoyance to players and managers alike I said what I feel about Pericard as a player for STFC as I saw it, and as what many others did at the time
I think that is an honest point Crier, many of us have shouted that abuse at players not performing. I've heard it argued that by letting off steam, that is good for our mental health!

The main point is despite whatever valid opinion we may have, we might not be aware of the consequences of expressing it so vocally.

It also indicates that managers and coaches need to think differently. They wouldn't play someone who had a broken leg, so why play someone with depression? A bit more openness and honesty about the whole subject would therefore do everyone a favour.
They're very unlikely to employ someone who has a broken leg and would more than likely not renew a contract either.

I have been very open about my depression in the past, on other forums. There are depression support groups where people with depression can share their experiences. Where people without depression can come in and ask questions. Where relative or friend of people can also go for support as it is hard to support someone with depression.

Mental Health problems are talked about a hell of a lot via the internet. Not so much so in person.

As I said yesterday, there are people who are offended by mental health issues. I have been banned from a website in the past for openly discussing mental health issues. So while there is support to be had, there is also another side.

As a man, I have felt opposition towards me as MEN shouldn't be talking about their feelings. As football is a male dominated industry, there is going to be that stigma. I still maintain, that going into the work place - ANY workplace - and trying to seriously discuss your personal mental health issues isn't going to be welcomed.

And should it be?

Football managers are not trained psychologists or psychiatrists. There are support groups about, charities etc. Lift psychology for one. MIND for another, GP surgeries for referrals etc

It should be alright to say to your manager - hey, I'm ill. I'm struggling I need a bit of leeway, a bit of help - some more relaxed duties or time of.

Some employers ARE supportive. Some aren't.

Some employers offer counseling phone lines and such like. Some don't.

That said, how many people have been reluctant to take time off because of a cold and then infected the rest of the workforce?

Because in this country, there is a stigma associated with taking time off work for any ailment. Regardless.
[quote][p][bold]mancrobin[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Swindon Crier[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]stanharlands6shirt[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Swindon Crier[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Is that you Lovesey[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Swindon Crier[/bold] wrote: Sorry I know how bad depression can be but crap player for Town never tried never wanted to play, never interested , waste of space, blame the management as well if they couldn't see it I don't pay good money to watch people like that wear the shirt,[/p][/quote]Idiot[/p][/quote]I've got just as much right to post on here as you people who spout your destructive views all the time, someone puts on here something slightly controversial and you don't like it ,tough, as I live with someone who has suffered with depression for many years I know the pitfalls, but I also went to Yovil a few years ago when Perricard came on with us 3-1 down and couldn't even be bothered to run, as I said if he was that bad someone should have noticed, and he shouldn't have played at all,[/p][/quote]You are so so wrong crier. I wonder if you were one of those that trolled week in week out about how bad Vinney was? Everyone who did should after these two articles be more aware of the havoc that can be caused through internet trolling abuse of players and social media in general especially when all we really know is what happens on match days. It in no way has just Vinnie who has suffered over the last few years on this website. There have been numerous players, GOOD PLAYERS, who have suffered abuse in written form and have had to deal with the barbed comments. Their form dips and the knives are sharpened. They decide to move on, and suddenly they are scum. Wrong wrong WRONG. Fortunately there are also many many posters who even though they may feel unhappy with certain players, managers, directors etc, do at least give them a chance. As for Vinnie being a poor player, I disagree, although I agree we perhaps did not see the best of him at Town. Some games we did however and for those who witnessed the f.a. cup demolition of Plymouth Argyle you will all remember he was awesome that day. His hold up play and power in the air was superb and he chased and chased everything. Yes you might say it must have been a good day, but it was a great day to witness when a man has the freedom of support from the stands and support on the pitch, Austin, Morrison, Ritchie, McGovern, etc just how good he could be. Peter Reid called it "Men against boys" after the game, and I for one was proud of all of them INCLUDING VINCENT PERICARD.[/p][/quote]Fair comments didn't see the Plymouth match you are on about, only say about what I see, I don't often comment on these forums and I'm certainly no troll I do my talking or shouting at the match the best way to show your annoyance to players and managers alike I said what I feel about Pericard as a player for STFC as I saw it, and as what many others did at the time[/p][/quote]I think that is an honest point Crier, many of us have shouted that abuse at players not performing. I've heard it argued that by letting off steam, that is good for our mental health! The main point is despite whatever valid opinion we may have, we might not be aware of the consequences of expressing it so vocally. It also indicates that managers and coaches need to think differently. They wouldn't play someone who had a broken leg, so why play someone with depression? A bit more openness and honesty about the whole subject would therefore do everyone a favour.[/p][/quote]They're very unlikely to employ someone who has a broken leg and would more than likely not renew a contract either. I have been very open about my depression in the past, on other forums. There are depression support groups where people with depression can share their experiences. Where people without depression can come in and ask questions. Where relative or friend of people can also go for support as it is hard to support someone with depression. Mental Health problems are talked about a hell of a lot via the internet. Not so much so in person. As I said yesterday, there are people who are offended by mental health issues. I have been banned from a website in the past for openly discussing mental health issues. So while there is support to be had, there is also another side. As a man, I have felt opposition towards me as MEN shouldn't be talking about their feelings. As football is a male dominated industry, there is going to be that stigma. I still maintain, that going into the work place - ANY workplace - and trying to seriously discuss your personal mental health issues isn't going to be welcomed. And should it be? Football managers are not trained psychologists or psychiatrists. There are support groups about, charities etc. Lift psychology for one. MIND for another, GP surgeries for referrals etc It should be alright to say to your manager - hey, I'm ill. I'm struggling I need a bit of leeway, a bit of help - some more relaxed duties or time of. Some employers ARE supportive. Some aren't. Some employers offer counseling phone lines and such like. Some don't. That said, how many people have been reluctant to take time off because of a cold and then infected the rest of the workforce? Because in this country, there is a stigma associated with taking time off work for any ailment. Regardless. mug?
  • Score: 0

12:16am Thu 10 Apr 14

ellory says...

Swindon Crier wrote:
buckobassettboy wrote:
Swindon Crier you appear to have tapped away posting a flippant comment-we all have been guilty of that-without really thinking it through.I hope you have read through your own words and reflect that you have made a grave error of judgement.All players under perform at various stages of their career but continue to work at their game.For a man who obviously had talent,played at a very high level and slid drastically into obscurity maybe someone should have seen the warning signs long ago.Now we have sports Psychiatrists and associated medical staff because his illness is not an isolated problem.Clinical depression is an illness and should be left to the experts to make judgement-I would suggest that nobody on this forum is an expert.When you look at what happened to Paul Gascoigne it makes you wonder if any progress has been made.
Really good post unlike the other two who just want to have a pop,but then that's what most of them do on this forum, but I maintain my feelings towards Pericard and if anyone else has constructive critism I welcome it
Surely you realise that insinuating someone with depression is lazy, alongside calling them a "waste of space" is offensive. I don't think it matters if it is the local boozer or this website, the majority of people I think (and I would hope!) would take issue with that.
[quote][p][bold]Swindon Crier[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]buckobassettboy[/bold] wrote: Swindon Crier you appear to have tapped away posting a flippant comment-we all have been guilty of that-without really thinking it through.I hope you have read through your own words and reflect that you have made a grave error of judgement.All players under perform at various stages of their career but continue to work at their game.For a man who obviously had talent,played at a very high level and slid drastically into obscurity maybe someone should have seen the warning signs long ago.Now we have sports Psychiatrists and associated medical staff because his illness is not an isolated problem.Clinical depression is an illness and should be left to the experts to make judgement-I would suggest that nobody on this forum is an expert.When you look at what happened to Paul Gascoigne it makes you wonder if any progress has been made.[/p][/quote]Really good post unlike the other two who just want to have a pop,but then that's what most of them do on this forum, but I maintain my feelings towards Pericard and if anyone else has constructive critism I welcome it[/p][/quote]Surely you realise that insinuating someone with depression is lazy, alongside calling them a "waste of space" is offensive. I don't think it matters if it is the local boozer or this website, the majority of people I think (and I would hope!) would take issue with that. ellory
  • Score: 3

8:01am Thu 10 Apr 14

mancrobin says...

mug? wrote:
mancrobin wrote:
Swindon Crier wrote:
stanharlands6shirt wrote:
Swindon Crier wrote:
Is that you Lovesey wrote:
Swindon Crier wrote:
Sorry I know how bad depression can be but crap player for Town never tried never wanted to play, never interested , waste of space, blame the management as well if they couldn't see it I don't pay good money to watch people like that wear the shirt,
Idiot
I've got just as much right to post on here as you people who spout your destructive views all the time, someone puts on here something slightly controversial and you don't like it ,tough, as I live with someone who has suffered with depression for many years I know the pitfalls, but I also went to Yovil a few years ago when Perricard came on with us 3-1 down and couldn't even be bothered to run, as I said if he was that bad someone should have noticed, and he shouldn't have played at all,
You are so so wrong crier.
I wonder if you were one of those that trolled week in week out about how bad Vinney was?
Everyone who did should after these two articles be more aware of the havoc that can be caused through internet trolling abuse of players and social media in general especially when all we really know is what happens on match days.
It in no way has just Vinnie who has suffered over the last few years on this website. There have been numerous players, GOOD PLAYERS, who have suffered abuse in written form and have had to deal with the barbed comments.
Their form dips and the knives are sharpened. They decide to move on, and suddenly they are scum. Wrong wrong WRONG.
Fortunately there are also many many posters who even though they may feel unhappy with certain players, managers, directors etc, do at least give them a chance.
As for Vinnie being a poor player, I disagree, although I agree we perhaps did not see the best of him at Town. Some games we did however and for those who witnessed the f.a. cup demolition of Plymouth Argyle you will all remember he was awesome that day. His hold up play and power in the air was superb and he chased and chased everything.
Yes you might say it must have been a good day, but it was a great day to witness when a man has the freedom of support from the stands and support on the pitch, Austin, Morrison, Ritchie, McGovern, etc just how good he could be. Peter Reid called it "Men against boys" after the game, and I for one was proud of all of them INCLUDING VINCENT PERICARD.
Fair comments didn't see the Plymouth match you are on about, only say about what I see, I don't often comment on these forums and I'm certainly no troll I do my talking or shouting at the match the best way to show your annoyance to players and managers alike I said what I feel about Pericard as a player for STFC as I saw it, and as what many others did at the time
I think that is an honest point Crier, many of us have shouted that abuse at players not performing. I've heard it argued that by letting off steam, that is good for our mental health!

The main point is despite whatever valid opinion we may have, we might not be aware of the consequences of expressing it so vocally.

It also indicates that managers and coaches need to think differently. They wouldn't play someone who had a broken leg, so why play someone with depression? A bit more openness and honesty about the whole subject would therefore do everyone a favour.
They're very unlikely to employ someone who has a broken leg and would more than likely not renew a contract either.

I have been very open about my depression in the past, on other forums. There are depression support groups where people with depression can share their experiences. Where people without depression can come in and ask questions. Where relative or friend of people can also go for support as it is hard to support someone with depression.

Mental Health problems are talked about a hell of a lot via the internet. Not so much so in person.

As I said yesterday, there are people who are offended by mental health issues. I have been banned from a website in the past for openly discussing mental health issues. So while there is support to be had, there is also another side.

As a man, I have felt opposition towards me as MEN shouldn't be talking about their feelings. As football is a male dominated industry, there is going to be that stigma. I still maintain, that going into the work place - ANY workplace - and trying to seriously discuss your personal mental health issues isn't going to be welcomed.

And should it be?

Football managers are not trained psychologists or psychiatrists. There are support groups about, charities etc. Lift psychology for one. MIND for another, GP surgeries for referrals etc

It should be alright to say to your manager - hey, I'm ill. I'm struggling I need a bit of leeway, a bit of help - some more relaxed duties or time of.

Some employers ARE supportive. Some aren't.

Some employers offer counseling phone lines and such like. Some don't.

That said, how many people have been reluctant to take time off because of a cold and then infected the rest of the workforce?

Because in this country, there is a stigma associated with taking time off work for any ailment. Regardless.
Interesting points, well made.

Just one further thought though. While managers cannot be expected to be trained in the details of mental health, I have been trained as a manager to look out for the signs of it (change in behaviour, heavy drinking etc) and also trained in how to deal with that and refer on. Surely that approach is not beyond the wit and resources of most professional football clubs?
[quote][p][bold]mug?[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mancrobin[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Swindon Crier[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]stanharlands6shirt[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Swindon Crier[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Is that you Lovesey[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Swindon Crier[/bold] wrote: Sorry I know how bad depression can be but crap player for Town never tried never wanted to play, never interested , waste of space, blame the management as well if they couldn't see it I don't pay good money to watch people like that wear the shirt,[/p][/quote]Idiot[/p][/quote]I've got just as much right to post on here as you people who spout your destructive views all the time, someone puts on here something slightly controversial and you don't like it ,tough, as I live with someone who has suffered with depression for many years I know the pitfalls, but I also went to Yovil a few years ago when Perricard came on with us 3-1 down and couldn't even be bothered to run, as I said if he was that bad someone should have noticed, and he shouldn't have played at all,[/p][/quote]You are so so wrong crier. I wonder if you were one of those that trolled week in week out about how bad Vinney was? Everyone who did should after these two articles be more aware of the havoc that can be caused through internet trolling abuse of players and social media in general especially when all we really know is what happens on match days. It in no way has just Vinnie who has suffered over the last few years on this website. There have been numerous players, GOOD PLAYERS, who have suffered abuse in written form and have had to deal with the barbed comments. Their form dips and the knives are sharpened. They decide to move on, and suddenly they are scum. Wrong wrong WRONG. Fortunately there are also many many posters who even though they may feel unhappy with certain players, managers, directors etc, do at least give them a chance. As for Vinnie being a poor player, I disagree, although I agree we perhaps did not see the best of him at Town. Some games we did however and for those who witnessed the f.a. cup demolition of Plymouth Argyle you will all remember he was awesome that day. His hold up play and power in the air was superb and he chased and chased everything. Yes you might say it must have been a good day, but it was a great day to witness when a man has the freedom of support from the stands and support on the pitch, Austin, Morrison, Ritchie, McGovern, etc just how good he could be. Peter Reid called it "Men against boys" after the game, and I for one was proud of all of them INCLUDING VINCENT PERICARD.[/p][/quote]Fair comments didn't see the Plymouth match you are on about, only say about what I see, I don't often comment on these forums and I'm certainly no troll I do my talking or shouting at the match the best way to show your annoyance to players and managers alike I said what I feel about Pericard as a player for STFC as I saw it, and as what many others did at the time[/p][/quote]I think that is an honest point Crier, many of us have shouted that abuse at players not performing. I've heard it argued that by letting off steam, that is good for our mental health! The main point is despite whatever valid opinion we may have, we might not be aware of the consequences of expressing it so vocally. It also indicates that managers and coaches need to think differently. They wouldn't play someone who had a broken leg, so why play someone with depression? A bit more openness and honesty about the whole subject would therefore do everyone a favour.[/p][/quote]They're very unlikely to employ someone who has a broken leg and would more than likely not renew a contract either. I have been very open about my depression in the past, on other forums. There are depression support groups where people with depression can share their experiences. Where people without depression can come in and ask questions. Where relative or friend of people can also go for support as it is hard to support someone with depression. Mental Health problems are talked about a hell of a lot via the internet. Not so much so in person. As I said yesterday, there are people who are offended by mental health issues. I have been banned from a website in the past for openly discussing mental health issues. So while there is support to be had, there is also another side. As a man, I have felt opposition towards me as MEN shouldn't be talking about their feelings. As football is a male dominated industry, there is going to be that stigma. I still maintain, that going into the work place - ANY workplace - and trying to seriously discuss your personal mental health issues isn't going to be welcomed. And should it be? Football managers are not trained psychologists or psychiatrists. There are support groups about, charities etc. Lift psychology for one. MIND for another, GP surgeries for referrals etc It should be alright to say to your manager - hey, I'm ill. I'm struggling I need a bit of leeway, a bit of help - some more relaxed duties or time of. Some employers ARE supportive. Some aren't. Some employers offer counseling phone lines and such like. Some don't. That said, how many people have been reluctant to take time off because of a cold and then infected the rest of the workforce? Because in this country, there is a stigma associated with taking time off work for any ailment. Regardless.[/p][/quote]Interesting points, well made. Just one further thought though. While managers cannot be expected to be trained in the details of mental health, I have been trained as a manager to look out for the signs of it (change in behaviour, heavy drinking etc) and also trained in how to deal with that and refer on. Surely that approach is not beyond the wit and resources of most professional football clubs? mancrobin
  • Score: 0

12:27pm Thu 10 Apr 14

red steam zulu says...

I seem to remember when pericard was an stfc player he got no end of stick ,called a wos tsser the lot ,on these forums ,now he has admitted he was carrying a black cloud around behind him,and someone now says he was a dissapointment in a town shirt ,you all jump on his case like a bunch of **** saying he will wallow in guilt when someone in his family tops themselves ,it sdisgusting double standards and makes me sick .
All you lot who have a promising career in politics ,dont worry crier i know what vein you meant your comments in and agree .
I seem to remember when pericard was an stfc player he got no end of stick ,called a wos tsser the lot ,on these forums ,now he has admitted he was carrying a black cloud around behind him,and someone now says he was a dissapointment in a town shirt ,you all jump on his case like a bunch of **** saying he will wallow in guilt when someone in his family tops themselves ,it sdisgusting double standards and makes me sick . All you lot who have a promising career in politics ,dont worry crier i know what vein you meant your comments in and agree . red steam zulu
  • Score: 0

3:44pm Thu 10 Apr 14

Swindon1984 says...

red steam zulu wrote:
I seem to remember when pericard was an stfc player he got no end of stick ,called a wos tsser the lot ,on these forums ,now he has admitted he was carrying a black cloud around behind him,and someone now says he was a dissapointment in a town shirt ,you all jump on his case like a bunch of **** saying he will wallow in guilt when someone in his family tops themselves ,it sdisgusting double standards and makes me sick . All you lot who have a promising career in politics ,dont worry crier i know what vein you meant your comments in and agree .
Personally wouldn't ever call an STFC player a ****** or give them abuse, didn't rat him when he was here but there's a big difference.

Don't think the original comment was made with any alice but could've been phrased a lot better - the one thing I will agree on is the staff at the time should've picked up on what was happening and acted, though ultimately you can't help someone until they admit they need help. Pericard's only now saying what was the case at the time. No-one outside the club (maybe not even in) could've known, but surely a lesson to be learned here about supporters abusing their own players? There's no need. I've never booed at a game and resent those who do - they can do what they like having paid the entrance fee, but I personally don't agree with it.
[quote][p][bold]red steam zulu[/bold] wrote: I seem to remember when pericard was an stfc player he got no end of stick ,called a wos tsser the lot ,on these forums ,now he has admitted he was carrying a black cloud around behind him,and someone now says he was a dissapointment in a town shirt ,you all jump on his case like a bunch of **** saying he will wallow in guilt when someone in his family tops themselves ,it sdisgusting double standards and makes me sick . All you lot who have a promising career in politics ,dont worry crier i know what vein you meant your comments in and agree .[/p][/quote]Personally wouldn't ever call an STFC player a ****** or give them abuse, didn't rat him when he was here but there's a big difference. Don't think the original comment was made with any alice but could've been phrased a lot better - the one thing I will agree on is the staff at the time should've picked up on what was happening and acted, though ultimately you can't help someone until they admit they need help. Pericard's only now saying what was the case at the time. No-one outside the club (maybe not even in) could've known, but surely a lesson to be learned here about supporters abusing their own players? There's no need. I've never booed at a game and resent those who do - they can do what they like having paid the entrance fee, but I personally don't agree with it. Swindon1984
  • Score: 1

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