SWINDON TOWN 1 WOLVES 4: Jackett's men too good for Cooper's boys

The Wiltshire Gazette and Herald: Wolves' Bakary Sako scores his side's third goal against Swindon Town last night Wolves' Bakary Sako scores his side's third goal against Swindon Town last night

SWINDON Town paid the price for a dismal first-half display against rampant League One leaders Wolves.

The visitors set a new club record of nine consecutive wins with this success at the County Ground as Mark Cooper’s men were ruthlessly dismantled in the first half.

It was a case of men against boys in that first 45 minutes as Town’s lack of pace at the heart of their defence was their undoing.

Had the Town side which turned up in the second period been on show from the start, then maybe it could have been a different story.

They were the side that had raised the fans expectations so high earlier in the campaign pushing forward with venom and giving the visitors something to worry about.

Darren Ward and Yaser Kasim both talked before this match about how the play-offs were still within Town’s grasp – but not now.

But Bakary Sako’s brace along with Nouha Dicko’s first-half strike did the damage way before Michael Smith pulled a goal back in the second period.

Former Town man Leon Clarke rubbed salt into the Town wounds with his late goal.

Town came into the match without full-back Nathan Thompson. His groin strain from Saturday’s 2-1 defeat is likely to keep him out for up to a month.

But Cooper called on Jay McEveley to play through the pain barrier despite his on-going knee problem.

With Troy Archibald-Henville is also missing due to a knee injury, Swindon made three changes to the side that started against the Dons.

Raphael Branco came into the defence, while Dany N’Guessan was preferred in attack to George Barker.

Having won eight games on the bounce, Wolves manager Kenny Jackett named the same side that beat Walsall 3-0 – meaning that there was no place in the starting XI for big money January signing Clarke.

The form book suggested that this was always going to be a comfortable win for the title-chasing visitors, especially as Town have only picked up 13 points in their previous 12 league outings.

As the two teams sounded each out for the opening five minutes, both playing the ball around nicely, in truth, Wolves were just warming up for to what was to come.

James Henry drilled a shot inches wide of Tyrell Belford’s post in the seventh minute, but that was just the warning.

Sako, a tall rangy striker, ghosted in at the back post two minutes later to head home Henry’s cross. The goal left questions as to just how was the visitors’ danger man was allowed so much room.

Town looked for an immediate response and Alex Pritchard forced Carl Ikeme into action with a strike from the edge of the area.

When Town pushed forward they did so with purpose, the only problem was, they were woefully exposed at the back.

The league-leaders made it 2-0 on 19 minutes, when Nouha Dicko turned skipper Ward inside out to slot the ball beyond Belford.

And with 10 minutes of the first half remaining, it was game over. Henry threaded the ball through the Town defence and Sako calmly ran through and gave Belford no chance as he made it 3-0.

Town looked more dangerous in the second period, with Pritchard and substitute Louis Thompson both driving efforts goal bound.

Pritchard’s strike went inches wide, while Thompson, on for the Yasir Kasim, pushed on with pace into the Wolves area with his shot going across the face of Carl Ikeme’s goal.

But the damage had already been done by the visitors, whatever Town could muster in the second period was scant consolation.

With Wolves seemingly content with their night’s work, Town attacked.

They were rewarded in the 74th minute when Michael Smith ran through to place his shot beyond a helpless Ikeme for his second goal in as many matches.

The hosts now had a foothold in this game and piled on the pressure and Wolves did not like it one bit – if only Town had done this from the start.

They nearly grabbed their second in the dying minutes of the game as McEveley’s hit the post, but this was not to be the comeback of all comebacks.

There was still worse to come for the hosts. Clarke, on for Dicko, showed just why Wolves paid £750,000 to Coventry City for the striker as he waltzed his way into the Town box and send a thunderous drive beyond Belford.

Cooper will have been pleased with how players responded in the second half, but just why did they wait until the second half?

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6:06am Wed 12 Mar 14

smirg kcab says...

Carnage at the county ground.
The score don't tell the story. We should have been 6 down at half time.
Lucky wolves strolled around in the second half to prevent a cricket score.
Still we are young and a work in progress with a great nucleus for next year without Pritchard and ranger.
3 day break to sort the tired tims out before another thrashing at city
Carnage at the county ground. The score don't tell the story. We should have been 6 down at half time. Lucky wolves strolled around in the second half to prevent a cricket score. Still we are young and a work in progress with a great nucleus for next year without Pritchard and ranger. 3 day break to sort the tired tims out before another thrashing at city smirg kcab
  • Score: 26

7:18am Wed 12 Mar 14

Gloucester Red, Hucclecote says...

smirg kcab wrote:
Carnage at the county ground.
The score don't tell the story. We should have been 6 down at half time.
Lucky wolves strolled around in the second half to prevent a cricket score.
Still we are young and a work in progress with a great nucleus for next year without Pritchard and ranger.
3 day break to sort the tired tims out before another thrashing at city
Happy whining whinger....get a life pal.
[quote][p][bold]smirg kcab[/bold] wrote: Carnage at the county ground. The score don't tell the story. We should have been 6 down at half time. Lucky wolves strolled around in the second half to prevent a cricket score. Still we are young and a work in progress with a great nucleus for next year without Pritchard and ranger. 3 day break to sort the tired tims out before another thrashing at city[/p][/quote]Happy whining whinger....get a life pal. Gloucester Red, Hucclecote
  • Score: -14

7:24am Wed 12 Mar 14

Billy hunt 65 says...

first half awful a challenger tank can turn faster than Ward.
Cooper comin out with the same old rubbish that we were outstanding in the second half..:) only because Wolves were on the beach.. If the **** have anybody quick in there side we are doomed and I fear another hiding.
Toothless upfront with a dodgy defence sums us up.. And a clueless manager :)
first half awful a challenger tank can turn faster than Ward. Cooper comin out with the same old rubbish that we were outstanding in the second half..:) only because Wolves were on the beach.. If the **** have anybody quick in there side we are doomed and I fear another hiding. Toothless upfront with a dodgy defence sums us up.. And a clueless manager :) Billy hunt 65
  • Score: 21

7:34am Wed 12 Mar 14

Billy hunt 65 says...

Worrying aswell that only 7000 Swindon fans turned up to see the league leaders....
Worrying aswell that only 7000 Swindon fans turned up to see the league leaders.... Billy hunt 65
  • Score: 21

7:43am Wed 12 Mar 14

who am i says...

1 nil down cooper sat down 2 nil down cooper still sat down three nil down you see the pattern? mr tactician and motivator. im sorry but the guy is clueless. wereas jackett on the other hand shouting from the touchline bellowing out orders to his troops and he has an experience side were we have boys that need direction from the manager and people wonder were we are going wrong.
1 nil down cooper sat down 2 nil down cooper still sat down three nil down you see the pattern? mr tactician and motivator. im sorry but the guy is clueless. wereas jackett on the other hand shouting from the touchline bellowing out orders to his troops and he has an experience side were we have boys that need direction from the manager and people wonder were we are going wrong. who am i
  • Score: 23

8:06am Wed 12 Mar 14

Baritone says...

Were there really 7000 Swindon fans at the County Ground last night?

I expected long queues for a drink and a long queue at the turnstiles but neither materialised - same as against Dons last Saturday.

Surely they cannot be falsifying the numbers - but one thing I do know. Dwindling gates are not good for Power's business model so are we to expect even more inexperienced young players?
Were there really 7000 Swindon fans at the County Ground last night? I expected long queues for a drink and a long queue at the turnstiles but neither materialised - same as against Dons last Saturday. Surely they cannot be falsifying the numbers - but one thing I do know. Dwindling gates are not good for Power's business model so are we to expect even more inexperienced young players? Baritone
  • Score: 16

8:06am Wed 12 Mar 14

TelSTFC says...

who am i wrote:
1 nil down cooper sat down 2 nil down cooper still sat down three nil down you see the pattern? mr tactician and motivator. im sorry but the guy is clueless. wereas jackett on the other hand shouting from the touchline bellowing out orders to his troops and he has an experience side were we have boys that need direction from the manager and people wonder were we are going wrong.
Have to agree who am I.
I normally sit in the DR stand but for the Tranmere game earlier in the season sat in the Arkells close to the dugout.
Copper did not hardly move from his seat.

I agree he doesn't have to be a PDC type over the top but some passion & instruction surely?

He is leading the troops and our young players need direction.
Also why are we only playing for 45 mins a game? This has happened frequently now why do we sit back on a lead or only turn on the play for half a game. Perhaps I should only pay £12.50 next time and pick a half to watch as the team cant play for 90 mins at present.
[quote][p][bold]who am i[/bold] wrote: 1 nil down cooper sat down 2 nil down cooper still sat down three nil down you see the pattern? mr tactician and motivator. im sorry but the guy is clueless. wereas jackett on the other hand shouting from the touchline bellowing out orders to his troops and he has an experience side were we have boys that need direction from the manager and people wonder were we are going wrong.[/p][/quote]Have to agree who am I. I normally sit in the DR stand but for the Tranmere game earlier in the season sat in the Arkells close to the dugout. Copper did not hardly move from his seat. I agree he doesn't have to be a PDC type over the top but some passion & instruction surely? He is leading the troops and our young players need direction. Also why are we only playing for 45 mins a game? This has happened frequently now why do we sit back on a lead or only turn on the play for half a game. Perhaps I should only pay £12.50 next time and pick a half to watch as the team cant play for 90 mins at present. TelSTFC
  • Score: 15

8:08am Wed 12 Mar 14

TelSTFC says...

TelSTFC wrote:
who am i wrote:
1 nil down cooper sat down 2 nil down cooper still sat down three nil down you see the pattern? mr tactician and motivator. im sorry but the guy is clueless. wereas jackett on the other hand shouting from the touchline bellowing out orders to his troops and he has an experience side were we have boys that need direction from the manager and people wonder were we are going wrong.
Have to agree who am I.
I normally sit in the DR stand but for the Tranmere game earlier in the season sat in the Arkells close to the dugout.
Copper did not hardly move from his seat.

I agree he doesn't have to be a PDC type over the top but some passion & instruction surely?

He is leading the troops and our young players need direction.
Also why are we only playing for 45 mins a game? This has happened frequently now why do we sit back on a lead or only turn on the play for half a game. Perhaps I should only pay £12.50 next time and pick a half to watch as the team cant play for 90 mins at present.
Sorry meant to say Cooper not Copper :)
[quote][p][bold]TelSTFC[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]who am i[/bold] wrote: 1 nil down cooper sat down 2 nil down cooper still sat down three nil down you see the pattern? mr tactician and motivator. im sorry but the guy is clueless. wereas jackett on the other hand shouting from the touchline bellowing out orders to his troops and he has an experience side were we have boys that need direction from the manager and people wonder were we are going wrong.[/p][/quote]Have to agree who am I. I normally sit in the DR stand but for the Tranmere game earlier in the season sat in the Arkells close to the dugout. Copper did not hardly move from his seat. I agree he doesn't have to be a PDC type over the top but some passion & instruction surely? He is leading the troops and our young players need direction. Also why are we only playing for 45 mins a game? This has happened frequently now why do we sit back on a lead or only turn on the play for half a game. Perhaps I should only pay £12.50 next time and pick a half to watch as the team cant play for 90 mins at present.[/p][/quote]Sorry meant to say Cooper not Copper :) TelSTFC
  • Score: 1

8:19am Wed 12 Mar 14

oncearedalwaysared says...

Until last night I have never criticised Mark Cooper and have been prepared to support the cause but last night was nothing short of an abject disaster, and everyone in the ground knew what was coming. No shape, no desire, no running off the ball, no closing down of the opposition. All these are basics for any half decent side, and we had none of them.

Kenny Jackett must have been laughing all the way back to Birmingham because this must have been the easiest win of their season. Any one of us could have given the Wolves team talk - run at their defence, it will crumble, and boy did we!!

Ward seemed to be wandering around aimlessly all night, not vocal, not revving up the team, just hopelessly outclassed and outrun by a better team. Our midfielders failed to spot any of the superb runs by McEveley or Barthram when he came on, too intent on keeping possession in midfield to allow the opposition to get 10 men behind the ball. THey never looked up, had no vision and no desire to drive forward. Even when we did, and we scored, we soon reverted to the old format.

Sometimes you do have to admit to having been beaten by the better team, we were, but what I can't accept is Cooper coming out with the drivel after the match. We weren't impressive in the second half Mark, we were allowed to keep the ball because Wolves didn't need it any more, they had already done enough. All the second half proved was that our forward line is as ineffective as our defence when under pressure.

This is almost the same team that was terrorising other teams earlier in the season, the difference is tactics, and that is down to the manager. Tippy tappy sideways football does not win matches.

For the first time this season, I am sorry, but I am now willing to join the group that suggests Cooper has run his course. I know there won't be many alternatives out there, but unless Power starts looking for his replacement now we will be in a relegation fight this time next year, if not already relegated due to having so few points we won't be mathematically able to get out of it.

Shut the door on your way our Cooper, something our defence is incapable of doing.
Until last night I have never criticised Mark Cooper and have been prepared to support the cause but last night was nothing short of an abject disaster, and everyone in the ground knew what was coming. No shape, no desire, no running off the ball, no closing down of the opposition. All these are basics for any half decent side, and we had none of them. Kenny Jackett must have been laughing all the way back to Birmingham because this must have been the easiest win of their season. Any one of us could have given the Wolves team talk - run at their defence, it will crumble, and boy did we!! Ward seemed to be wandering around aimlessly all night, not vocal, not revving up the team, just hopelessly outclassed and outrun by a better team. Our midfielders failed to spot any of the superb runs by McEveley or Barthram when he came on, too intent on keeping possession in midfield to allow the opposition to get 10 men behind the ball. THey never looked up, had no vision and no desire to drive forward. Even when we did, and we scored, we soon reverted to the old format. Sometimes you do have to admit to having been beaten by the better team, we were, but what I can't accept is Cooper coming out with the drivel after the match. We weren't impressive in the second half Mark, we were allowed to keep the ball because Wolves didn't need it any more, they had already done enough. All the second half proved was that our forward line is as ineffective as our defence when under pressure. This is almost the same team that was terrorising other teams earlier in the season, the difference is tactics, and that is down to the manager. Tippy tappy sideways football does not win matches. For the first time this season, I am sorry, but I am now willing to join the group that suggests Cooper has run his course. I know there won't be many alternatives out there, but unless Power starts looking for his replacement now we will be in a relegation fight this time next year, if not already relegated due to having so few points we won't be mathematically able to get out of it. Shut the door on your way our Cooper, something our defence is incapable of doing. oncearedalwaysared
  • Score: 33

8:56am Wed 12 Mar 14

Psychedelic Syd says...

After our recent displays at home I almost expected worse. We had some reasonable chances last night but our finishing is woeful. Wolves were so much quicker to get the ball forward and cross it into the box. They always had players available with their triangles and diamonds and they don't mess around going backwards and forwards even though they do try and play it from the back. Whereas we play it slowly around and give opposing teams time to all get back and defend, Wolves cut straight through us at speed and left us trailing in their wake. We were given a lesson in incisive football but at the moment we don't seem to be willing or able to learn.

I have sympathised with Cooper this season but tactically he doesn't seem able to raise his game to get the best out of the players at his disposal. Our style of play is pedestrian and persisting with it game after game when it isn't working is a triumph of hope over experience. Fantasy versus reality and the table is telling us a lot of truths. Unless we pick up again we are going to have a nervous run-in. 13 points in the last 13 matches tells its own story.

I still think we have some very good players in our team - the Thompson's, Kasim and Luongo (when they are on their game and deployed properly), Troy has been encouraging on his return, Wes is still superb, Jay was outstanding last night MOM for me. Ranger is terrific. Whether we can hold onto them is another matter. I can't see Pritchard staying because he can and will do better than us. The other loan players haven't set the world alight though I feel sorry for Mason with his injury problems.

Tricky times ahead. I went into this season feeling reasonably optimistic (I usually do!) but I'm beginning to get this uneasy feeling of pessimism. There is a dark cloud around our club.

I'm just going to renew my season ticket, I never learn and just keep coming back for more!!! One year the good times are going to come back ........ aren't they? COYMR
After our recent displays at home I almost expected worse. We had some reasonable chances last night but our finishing is woeful. Wolves were so much quicker to get the ball forward and cross it into the box. They always had players available with their triangles and diamonds and they don't mess around going backwards and forwards even though they do try and play it from the back. Whereas we play it slowly around and give opposing teams time to all get back and defend, Wolves cut straight through us at speed and left us trailing in their wake. We were given a lesson in incisive football but at the moment we don't seem to be willing or able to learn. I have sympathised with Cooper this season but tactically he doesn't seem able to raise his game to get the best out of the players at his disposal. Our style of play is pedestrian and persisting with it game after game when it isn't working is a triumph of hope over experience. Fantasy versus reality and the table is telling us a lot of truths. Unless we pick up again we are going to have a nervous run-in. 13 points in the last 13 matches tells its own story. I still think we have some very good players in our team - the Thompson's, Kasim and Luongo (when they are on their game and deployed properly), Troy has been encouraging on his return, Wes is still superb, Jay was outstanding last night MOM for me. Ranger is terrific. Whether we can hold onto them is another matter. I can't see Pritchard staying because he can and will do better than us. The other loan players haven't set the world alight though I feel sorry for Mason with his injury problems. Tricky times ahead. I went into this season feeling reasonably optimistic (I usually do!) but I'm beginning to get this uneasy feeling of pessimism. There is a dark cloud around our club. I'm just going to renew my season ticket, I never learn and just keep coming back for more!!! One year the good times are going to come back ........ aren't they? COYMR Psychedelic Syd
  • Score: 12

8:59am Wed 12 Mar 14

the wizard says...

oncearedalwaysared wrote:
Until last night I have never criticised Mark Cooper and have been prepared to support the cause but last night was nothing short of an abject disaster, and everyone in the ground knew what was coming. No shape, no desire, no running off the ball, no closing down of the opposition. All these are basics for any half decent side, and we had none of them.

Kenny Jackett must have been laughing all the way back to Birmingham because this must have been the easiest win of their season. Any one of us could have given the Wolves team talk - run at their defence, it will crumble, and boy did we!!

Ward seemed to be wandering around aimlessly all night, not vocal, not revving up the team, just hopelessly outclassed and outrun by a better team. Our midfielders failed to spot any of the superb runs by McEveley or Barthram when he came on, too intent on keeping possession in midfield to allow the opposition to get 10 men behind the ball. THey never looked up, had no vision and no desire to drive forward. Even when we did, and we scored, we soon reverted to the old format.

Sometimes you do have to admit to having been beaten by the better team, we were, but what I can't accept is Cooper coming out with the drivel after the match. We weren't impressive in the second half Mark, we were allowed to keep the ball because Wolves didn't need it any more, they had already done enough. All the second half proved was that our forward line is as ineffective as our defence when under pressure.

This is almost the same team that was terrorising other teams earlier in the season, the difference is tactics, and that is down to the manager. Tippy tappy sideways football does not win matches.

For the first time this season, I am sorry, but I am now willing to join the group that suggests Cooper has run his course. I know there won't be many alternatives out there, but unless Power starts looking for his replacement now we will be in a relegation fight this time next year, if not already relegated due to having so few points we won't be mathematically able to get out of it.

Shut the door on your way our Cooper, something our defence is incapable of doing.
A very true and reflective post. Full of heart and passion may I add.

Well some may come on here with their stats, the truth is the S/T head count has to be tied into the attendance figures as that seat has been bought for the game. Last evening and this morning I have spoken to six S/T holders who didn't go and they in turn related to others who also didn't go..

I'd really like SAM to find out what the actual count was. If there where no queues for drinks at half time on a chilly evening that usually equates down to around 4, 500/5000 or less.

I share your love for the club, 56 years supporting them, as yes we are entitled to get racked off when its going like this. Very surprised that there aren't louder chants for Cooper out, but there is nobody obvious to take over. I am becoming fearful of the next few weeks and where they may take us, and next season already looks like its going to be hard work, but that depends on who is manager.
Funny how at the start of the season when we had direction and desire Cooper never mention that we were work in progress and a young team still finding its way. I politely suggest he has lost his mojo.

When Fitton (bless him) spent time out of the country things went haywire at CG and the team lost its way like it has now, It was only when he was here that things picked up. Power being away for long periods due to his taxation embargo doesn't help either I'm sure. Just an observation.
[quote][p][bold]oncearedalwaysared[/bold] wrote: Until last night I have never criticised Mark Cooper and have been prepared to support the cause but last night was nothing short of an abject disaster, and everyone in the ground knew what was coming. No shape, no desire, no running off the ball, no closing down of the opposition. All these are basics for any half decent side, and we had none of them. Kenny Jackett must have been laughing all the way back to Birmingham because this must have been the easiest win of their season. Any one of us could have given the Wolves team talk - run at their defence, it will crumble, and boy did we!! Ward seemed to be wandering around aimlessly all night, not vocal, not revving up the team, just hopelessly outclassed and outrun by a better team. Our midfielders failed to spot any of the superb runs by McEveley or Barthram when he came on, too intent on keeping possession in midfield to allow the opposition to get 10 men behind the ball. THey never looked up, had no vision and no desire to drive forward. Even when we did, and we scored, we soon reverted to the old format. Sometimes you do have to admit to having been beaten by the better team, we were, but what I can't accept is Cooper coming out with the drivel after the match. We weren't impressive in the second half Mark, we were allowed to keep the ball because Wolves didn't need it any more, they had already done enough. All the second half proved was that our forward line is as ineffective as our defence when under pressure. This is almost the same team that was terrorising other teams earlier in the season, the difference is tactics, and that is down to the manager. Tippy tappy sideways football does not win matches. For the first time this season, I am sorry, but I am now willing to join the group that suggests Cooper has run his course. I know there won't be many alternatives out there, but unless Power starts looking for his replacement now we will be in a relegation fight this time next year, if not already relegated due to having so few points we won't be mathematically able to get out of it. Shut the door on your way our Cooper, something our defence is incapable of doing.[/p][/quote]A very true and reflective post. Full of heart and passion may I add. Well some may come on here with their stats, the truth is the S/T head count has to be tied into the attendance figures as that seat has been bought for the game. Last evening and this morning I have spoken to six S/T holders who didn't go and they in turn related to others who also didn't go.. I'd really like SAM to find out what the actual count was. If there where no queues for drinks at half time on a chilly evening that usually equates down to around 4, 500/5000 or less. I share your love for the club, 56 years supporting them, as yes we are entitled to get racked off when its going like this. Very surprised that there aren't louder chants for Cooper out, but there is nobody obvious to take over. I am becoming fearful of the next few weeks and where they may take us, and next season already looks like its going to be hard work, but that depends on who is manager. Funny how at the start of the season when we had direction and desire Cooper never mention that we were work in progress and a young team still finding its way. I politely suggest he has lost his mojo. When Fitton (bless him) spent time out of the country things went haywire at CG and the team lost its way like it has now, It was only when he was here that things picked up. Power being away for long periods due to his taxation embargo doesn't help either I'm sure. Just an observation. the wizard
  • Score: 3

9:16am Wed 12 Mar 14

grove red says...

the wizard wrote:
oncearedalwaysared wrote:
Until last night I have never criticised Mark Cooper and have been prepared to support the cause but last night was nothing short of an abject disaster, and everyone in the ground knew what was coming. No shape, no desire, no running off the ball, no closing down of the opposition. All these are basics for any half decent side, and we had none of them.

Kenny Jackett must have been laughing all the way back to Birmingham because this must have been the easiest win of their season. Any one of us could have given the Wolves team talk - run at their defence, it will crumble, and boy did we!!

Ward seemed to be wandering around aimlessly all night, not vocal, not revving up the team, just hopelessly outclassed and outrun by a better team. Our midfielders failed to spot any of the superb runs by McEveley or Barthram when he came on, too intent on keeping possession in midfield to allow the opposition to get 10 men behind the ball. THey never looked up, had no vision and no desire to drive forward. Even when we did, and we scored, we soon reverted to the old format.

Sometimes you do have to admit to having been beaten by the better team, we were, but what I can't accept is Cooper coming out with the drivel after the match. We weren't impressive in the second half Mark, we were allowed to keep the ball because Wolves didn't need it any more, they had already done enough. All the second half proved was that our forward line is as ineffective as our defence when under pressure.

This is almost the same team that was terrorising other teams earlier in the season, the difference is tactics, and that is down to the manager. Tippy tappy sideways football does not win matches.

For the first time this season, I am sorry, but I am now willing to join the group that suggests Cooper has run his course. I know there won't be many alternatives out there, but unless Power starts looking for his replacement now we will be in a relegation fight this time next year, if not already relegated due to having so few points we won't be mathematically able to get out of it.

Shut the door on your way our Cooper, something our defence is incapable of doing.
A very true and reflective post. Full of heart and passion may I add.

Well some may come on here with their stats, the truth is the S/T head count has to be tied into the attendance figures as that seat has been bought for the game. Last evening and this morning I have spoken to six S/T holders who didn't go and they in turn related to others who also didn't go..

I'd really like SAM to find out what the actual count was. If there where no queues for drinks at half time on a chilly evening that usually equates down to around 4, 500/5000 or less.

I share your love for the club, 56 years supporting them, as yes we are entitled to get racked off when its going like this. Very surprised that there aren't louder chants for Cooper out, but there is nobody obvious to take over. I am becoming fearful of the next few weeks and where they may take us, and next season already looks like its going to be hard work, but that depends on who is manager.
Funny how at the start of the season when we had direction and desire Cooper never mention that we were work in progress and a young team still finding its way. I politely suggest he has lost his mojo.

When Fitton (bless him) spent time out of the country things went haywire at CG and the team lost its way like it has now, It was only when he was here that things picked up. Power being away for long periods due to his taxation embargo doesn't help either I'm sure. Just an observation.
I know 5 season ticket holders who did not go last night.
[quote][p][bold]the wizard[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]oncearedalwaysared[/bold] wrote: Until last night I have never criticised Mark Cooper and have been prepared to support the cause but last night was nothing short of an abject disaster, and everyone in the ground knew what was coming. No shape, no desire, no running off the ball, no closing down of the opposition. All these are basics for any half decent side, and we had none of them. Kenny Jackett must have been laughing all the way back to Birmingham because this must have been the easiest win of their season. Any one of us could have given the Wolves team talk - run at their defence, it will crumble, and boy did we!! Ward seemed to be wandering around aimlessly all night, not vocal, not revving up the team, just hopelessly outclassed and outrun by a better team. Our midfielders failed to spot any of the superb runs by McEveley or Barthram when he came on, too intent on keeping possession in midfield to allow the opposition to get 10 men behind the ball. THey never looked up, had no vision and no desire to drive forward. Even when we did, and we scored, we soon reverted to the old format. Sometimes you do have to admit to having been beaten by the better team, we were, but what I can't accept is Cooper coming out with the drivel after the match. We weren't impressive in the second half Mark, we were allowed to keep the ball because Wolves didn't need it any more, they had already done enough. All the second half proved was that our forward line is as ineffective as our defence when under pressure. This is almost the same team that was terrorising other teams earlier in the season, the difference is tactics, and that is down to the manager. Tippy tappy sideways football does not win matches. For the first time this season, I am sorry, but I am now willing to join the group that suggests Cooper has run his course. I know there won't be many alternatives out there, but unless Power starts looking for his replacement now we will be in a relegation fight this time next year, if not already relegated due to having so few points we won't be mathematically able to get out of it. Shut the door on your way our Cooper, something our defence is incapable of doing.[/p][/quote]A very true and reflective post. Full of heart and passion may I add. Well some may come on here with their stats, the truth is the S/T head count has to be tied into the attendance figures as that seat has been bought for the game. Last evening and this morning I have spoken to six S/T holders who didn't go and they in turn related to others who also didn't go.. I'd really like SAM to find out what the actual count was. If there where no queues for drinks at half time on a chilly evening that usually equates down to around 4, 500/5000 or less. I share your love for the club, 56 years supporting them, as yes we are entitled to get racked off when its going like this. Very surprised that there aren't louder chants for Cooper out, but there is nobody obvious to take over. I am becoming fearful of the next few weeks and where they may take us, and next season already looks like its going to be hard work, but that depends on who is manager. Funny how at the start of the season when we had direction and desire Cooper never mention that we were work in progress and a young team still finding its way. I politely suggest he has lost his mojo. When Fitton (bless him) spent time out of the country things went haywire at CG and the team lost its way like it has now, It was only when he was here that things picked up. Power being away for long periods due to his taxation embargo doesn't help either I'm sure. Just an observation.[/p][/quote]I know 5 season ticket holders who did not go last night. grove red
  • Score: -1

9:44am Wed 12 Mar 14

Davidsyrett says...

Last night was boys against men, Wolves oozed confidence and totally outclassed us in the first half, our defence was totally exposed as one having no pace. Ward and Branco must be replaced at the end of the season, and if Troy can only play one game a week at his age, we better off load him as well.
The problem is that the midfield has no pace as well, or for that matter the forward(s), we are too easy to play against. If we are seriously looking for promotion next season, we have to be able to break with pace, just like Wolves last night., oh and of course defend.
I don't see Cooper going anywhere, watching the FL show on Saturday night, it was a realistic appraisal of where the club are today, and in the scheme of things we've done OK this season., but if next season is to improve then LP is going to have to invest some of his money into the squad. Yes we've seen Yeovil & Orient have success on a shoestring budget, but they are the minority rather than the norm. All the big spenders (except City) are near the top, and I'm sure it will be the same next season.
Last night was boys against men, Wolves oozed confidence and totally outclassed us in the first half, our defence was totally exposed as one having no pace. Ward and Branco must be replaced at the end of the season, and if Troy can only play one game a week at his age, we better off load him as well. The problem is that the midfield has no pace as well, or for that matter the forward(s), we are too easy to play against. If we are seriously looking for promotion next season, we have to be able to break with pace, just like Wolves last night., oh and of course defend. I don't see Cooper going anywhere, watching the FL show on Saturday night, it was a realistic appraisal of where the club are today, and in the scheme of things we've done OK this season., but if next season is to improve then LP is going to have to invest some of his money into the squad. Yes we've seen Yeovil & Orient have success on a shoestring budget, but they are the minority rather than the norm. All the big spenders (except City) are near the top, and I'm sure it will be the same next season. Davidsyrett
  • Score: 5

9:55am Wed 12 Mar 14

bearwoodred says...

grove red wrote:
the wizard wrote:
oncearedalwaysared wrote:
Until last night I have never criticised Mark Cooper and have been prepared to support the cause but last night was nothing short of an abject disaster, and everyone in the ground knew what was coming. No shape, no desire, no running off the ball, no closing down of the opposition. All these are basics for any half decent side, and we had none of them.

Kenny Jackett must have been laughing all the way back to Birmingham because this must have been the easiest win of their season. Any one of us could have given the Wolves team talk - run at their defence, it will crumble, and boy did we!!

Ward seemed to be wandering around aimlessly all night, not vocal, not revving up the team, just hopelessly outclassed and outrun by a better team. Our midfielders failed to spot any of the superb runs by McEveley or Barthram when he came on, too intent on keeping possession in midfield to allow the opposition to get 10 men behind the ball. THey never looked up, had no vision and no desire to drive forward. Even when we did, and we scored, we soon reverted to the old format.

Sometimes you do have to admit to having been beaten by the better team, we were, but what I can't accept is Cooper coming out with the drivel after the match. We weren't impressive in the second half Mark, we were allowed to keep the ball because Wolves didn't need it any more, they had already done enough. All the second half proved was that our forward line is as ineffective as our defence when under pressure.

This is almost the same team that was terrorising other teams earlier in the season, the difference is tactics, and that is down to the manager. Tippy tappy sideways football does not win matches.

For the first time this season, I am sorry, but I am now willing to join the group that suggests Cooper has run his course. I know there won't be many alternatives out there, but unless Power starts looking for his replacement now we will be in a relegation fight this time next year, if not already relegated due to having so few points we won't be mathematically able to get out of it.

Shut the door on your way our Cooper, something our defence is incapable of doing.
A very true and reflective post. Full of heart and passion may I add.

Well some may come on here with their stats, the truth is the S/T head count has to be tied into the attendance figures as that seat has been bought for the game. Last evening and this morning I have spoken to six S/T holders who didn't go and they in turn related to others who also didn't go..

I'd really like SAM to find out what the actual count was. If there where no queues for drinks at half time on a chilly evening that usually equates down to around 4, 500/5000 or less.

I share your love for the club, 56 years supporting them, as yes we are entitled to get racked off when its going like this. Very surprised that there aren't louder chants for Cooper out, but there is nobody obvious to take over. I am becoming fearful of the next few weeks and where they may take us, and next season already looks like its going to be hard work, but that depends on who is manager.
Funny how at the start of the season when we had direction and desire Cooper never mention that we were work in progress and a young team still finding its way. I politely suggest he has lost his mojo.

When Fitton (bless him) spent time out of the country things went haywire at CG and the team lost its way like it has now, It was only when he was here that things picked up. Power being away for long periods due to his taxation embargo doesn't help either I'm sure. Just an observation.
I know 5 season ticket holders who did not go last night.
Grove fort some reason you feel proud of that fact and the potential statement it has made or not actually. This is by Swindon's standards not that bad a season is it? Also it was clear yesterday that when the fans got behind the team as they did in the second half that they responded.

There has always been this undercurrent against Cooper for some reason probalbly because fans still are still remembering The Ego - they therefore welcome the chance to pounce when results and form dip.

What we really need is a good confidence boosting win. But what I saw yesterday was a side outplayed in the first half but in the second responded in magnificent style and showed what they can do and I don't think Wolves sat back, I think we were better. If we start with the side that finished last night we will be City and things will seem that little bit better.
[quote][p][bold]grove red[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]the wizard[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]oncearedalwaysared[/bold] wrote: Until last night I have never criticised Mark Cooper and have been prepared to support the cause but last night was nothing short of an abject disaster, and everyone in the ground knew what was coming. No shape, no desire, no running off the ball, no closing down of the opposition. All these are basics for any half decent side, and we had none of them. Kenny Jackett must have been laughing all the way back to Birmingham because this must have been the easiest win of their season. Any one of us could have given the Wolves team talk - run at their defence, it will crumble, and boy did we!! Ward seemed to be wandering around aimlessly all night, not vocal, not revving up the team, just hopelessly outclassed and outrun by a better team. Our midfielders failed to spot any of the superb runs by McEveley or Barthram when he came on, too intent on keeping possession in midfield to allow the opposition to get 10 men behind the ball. THey never looked up, had no vision and no desire to drive forward. Even when we did, and we scored, we soon reverted to the old format. Sometimes you do have to admit to having been beaten by the better team, we were, but what I can't accept is Cooper coming out with the drivel after the match. We weren't impressive in the second half Mark, we were allowed to keep the ball because Wolves didn't need it any more, they had already done enough. All the second half proved was that our forward line is as ineffective as our defence when under pressure. This is almost the same team that was terrorising other teams earlier in the season, the difference is tactics, and that is down to the manager. Tippy tappy sideways football does not win matches. For the first time this season, I am sorry, but I am now willing to join the group that suggests Cooper has run his course. I know there won't be many alternatives out there, but unless Power starts looking for his replacement now we will be in a relegation fight this time next year, if not already relegated due to having so few points we won't be mathematically able to get out of it. Shut the door on your way our Cooper, something our defence is incapable of doing.[/p][/quote]A very true and reflective post. Full of heart and passion may I add. Well some may come on here with their stats, the truth is the S/T head count has to be tied into the attendance figures as that seat has been bought for the game. Last evening and this morning I have spoken to six S/T holders who didn't go and they in turn related to others who also didn't go.. I'd really like SAM to find out what the actual count was. If there where no queues for drinks at half time on a chilly evening that usually equates down to around 4, 500/5000 or less. I share your love for the club, 56 years supporting them, as yes we are entitled to get racked off when its going like this. Very surprised that there aren't louder chants for Cooper out, but there is nobody obvious to take over. I am becoming fearful of the next few weeks and where they may take us, and next season already looks like its going to be hard work, but that depends on who is manager. Funny how at the start of the season when we had direction and desire Cooper never mention that we were work in progress and a young team still finding its way. I politely suggest he has lost his mojo. When Fitton (bless him) spent time out of the country things went haywire at CG and the team lost its way like it has now, It was only when he was here that things picked up. Power being away for long periods due to his taxation embargo doesn't help either I'm sure. Just an observation.[/p][/quote]I know 5 season ticket holders who did not go last night.[/p][/quote]Grove fort some reason you feel proud of that fact and the potential statement it has made or not actually. This is by Swindon's standards not that bad a season is it? Also it was clear yesterday that when the fans got behind the team as they did in the second half that they responded. There has always been this undercurrent against Cooper for some reason probalbly because fans still are still remembering The Ego - they therefore welcome the chance to pounce when results and form dip. What we really need is a good confidence boosting win. But what I saw yesterday was a side outplayed in the first half but in the second responded in magnificent style and showed what they can do and I don't think Wolves sat back, I think we were better. If we start with the side that finished last night we will be City and things will seem that little bit better. bearwoodred
  • Score: -6

9:59am Wed 12 Mar 14

Rebel_phish says...

Gloucester Red, Hucclecote wrote:
smirg kcab wrote:
Carnage at the county ground.
The score don't tell the story. We should have been 6 down at half time.
Lucky wolves strolled around in the second half to prevent a cricket score.
Still we are young and a work in progress with a great nucleus for next year without Pritchard and ranger.
3 day break to sort the tired tims out before another thrashing at city
Happy whining whinger....get a life pal.
Smirg is just saying as it is.
[quote][p][bold]Gloucester Red, Hucclecote[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]smirg kcab[/bold] wrote: Carnage at the county ground. The score don't tell the story. We should have been 6 down at half time. Lucky wolves strolled around in the second half to prevent a cricket score. Still we are young and a work in progress with a great nucleus for next year without Pritchard and ranger. 3 day break to sort the tired tims out before another thrashing at city[/p][/quote]Happy whining whinger....get a life pal.[/p][/quote]Smirg is just saying as it is. Rebel_phish
  • Score: 6

10:02am Wed 12 Mar 14

the wizard says...

grove red wrote:
the wizard wrote:
oncearedalwaysared wrote:
Until last night I have never criticised Mark Cooper and have been prepared to support the cause but last night was nothing short of an abject disaster, and everyone in the ground knew what was coming. No shape, no desire, no running off the ball, no closing down of the opposition. All these are basics for any half decent side, and we had none of them.

Kenny Jackett must have been laughing all the way back to Birmingham because this must have been the easiest win of their season. Any one of us could have given the Wolves team talk - run at their defence, it will crumble, and boy did we!!

Ward seemed to be wandering around aimlessly all night, not vocal, not revving up the team, just hopelessly outclassed and outrun by a better team. Our midfielders failed to spot any of the superb runs by McEveley or Barthram when he came on, too intent on keeping possession in midfield to allow the opposition to get 10 men behind the ball. THey never looked up, had no vision and no desire to drive forward. Even when we did, and we scored, we soon reverted to the old format.

Sometimes you do have to admit to having been beaten by the better team, we were, but what I can't accept is Cooper coming out with the drivel after the match. We weren't impressive in the second half Mark, we were allowed to keep the ball because Wolves didn't need it any more, they had already done enough. All the second half proved was that our forward line is as ineffective as our defence when under pressure.

This is almost the same team that was terrorising other teams earlier in the season, the difference is tactics, and that is down to the manager. Tippy tappy sideways football does not win matches.

For the first time this season, I am sorry, but I am now willing to join the group that suggests Cooper has run his course. I know there won't be many alternatives out there, but unless Power starts looking for his replacement now we will be in a relegation fight this time next year, if not already relegated due to having so few points we won't be mathematically able to get out of it.

Shut the door on your way our Cooper, something our defence is incapable of doing.
A very true and reflective post. Full of heart and passion may I add.

Well some may come on here with their stats, the truth is the S/T head count has to be tied into the attendance figures as that seat has been bought for the game. Last evening and this morning I have spoken to six S/T holders who didn't go and they in turn related to others who also didn't go..

I'd really like SAM to find out what the actual count was. If there where no queues for drinks at half time on a chilly evening that usually equates down to around 4, 500/5000 or less.

I share your love for the club, 56 years supporting them, as yes we are entitled to get racked off when its going like this. Very surprised that there aren't louder chants for Cooper out, but there is nobody obvious to take over. I am becoming fearful of the next few weeks and where they may take us, and next season already looks like its going to be hard work, but that depends on who is manager.
Funny how at the start of the season when we had direction and desire Cooper never mention that we were work in progress and a young team still finding its way. I politely suggest he has lost his mojo.

When Fitton (bless him) spent time out of the country things went haywire at CG and the team lost its way like it has now, It was only when he was here that things picked up. Power being away for long periods due to his taxation embargo doesn't help either I'm sure. Just an observation.
I know 5 season ticket holders who did not go last night.
I heard that Power was going to hold a supporters meeting on apathy towards the club in the Legends. It seems that it got cancelled through lack of interest.















If Power was to sack Cooper then probably he would appoint Williams as temporary manager due to money reasons. Just a thought, why doesn't he try rotating them now and put Williams in charge of team and team selection and give things a whirl. Nothing to loose but a lot of respect to gain, on all fronts.
[quote][p][bold]grove red[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]the wizard[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]oncearedalwaysared[/bold] wrote: Until last night I have never criticised Mark Cooper and have been prepared to support the cause but last night was nothing short of an abject disaster, and everyone in the ground knew what was coming. No shape, no desire, no running off the ball, no closing down of the opposition. All these are basics for any half decent side, and we had none of them. Kenny Jackett must have been laughing all the way back to Birmingham because this must have been the easiest win of their season. Any one of us could have given the Wolves team talk - run at their defence, it will crumble, and boy did we!! Ward seemed to be wandering around aimlessly all night, not vocal, not revving up the team, just hopelessly outclassed and outrun by a better team. Our midfielders failed to spot any of the superb runs by McEveley or Barthram when he came on, too intent on keeping possession in midfield to allow the opposition to get 10 men behind the ball. THey never looked up, had no vision and no desire to drive forward. Even when we did, and we scored, we soon reverted to the old format. Sometimes you do have to admit to having been beaten by the better team, we were, but what I can't accept is Cooper coming out with the drivel after the match. We weren't impressive in the second half Mark, we were allowed to keep the ball because Wolves didn't need it any more, they had already done enough. All the second half proved was that our forward line is as ineffective as our defence when under pressure. This is almost the same team that was terrorising other teams earlier in the season, the difference is tactics, and that is down to the manager. Tippy tappy sideways football does not win matches. For the first time this season, I am sorry, but I am now willing to join the group that suggests Cooper has run his course. I know there won't be many alternatives out there, but unless Power starts looking for his replacement now we will be in a relegation fight this time next year, if not already relegated due to having so few points we won't be mathematically able to get out of it. Shut the door on your way our Cooper, something our defence is incapable of doing.[/p][/quote]A very true and reflective post. Full of heart and passion may I add. Well some may come on here with their stats, the truth is the S/T head count has to be tied into the attendance figures as that seat has been bought for the game. Last evening and this morning I have spoken to six S/T holders who didn't go and they in turn related to others who also didn't go.. I'd really like SAM to find out what the actual count was. If there where no queues for drinks at half time on a chilly evening that usually equates down to around 4, 500/5000 or less. I share your love for the club, 56 years supporting them, as yes we are entitled to get racked off when its going like this. Very surprised that there aren't louder chants for Cooper out, but there is nobody obvious to take over. I am becoming fearful of the next few weeks and where they may take us, and next season already looks like its going to be hard work, but that depends on who is manager. Funny how at the start of the season when we had direction and desire Cooper never mention that we were work in progress and a young team still finding its way. I politely suggest he has lost his mojo. When Fitton (bless him) spent time out of the country things went haywire at CG and the team lost its way like it has now, It was only when he was here that things picked up. Power being away for long periods due to his taxation embargo doesn't help either I'm sure. Just an observation.[/p][/quote]I know 5 season ticket holders who did not go last night.[/p][/quote]I heard that Power was going to hold a supporters meeting on apathy towards the club in the Legends. It seems that it got cancelled through lack of interest. If Power was to sack Cooper then probably he would appoint Williams as temporary manager due to money reasons. Just a thought, why doesn't he try rotating them now and put Williams in charge of team and team selection and give things a whirl. Nothing to loose but a lot of respect to gain, on all fronts. the wizard
  • Score: -4

10:06am Wed 12 Mar 14

Since 1950 says...

I've said it before but worth saying again. We are an inexperienced team with an inexperienced manger. There are no leaders on the pitch and none off it. No motivators. We have a potless inexperienced 'board' whose model of relying on young players on loan is clearly being found out. The youngsters are running out of steam while those with any experience are in need of operations and rehabilitation. We will no doubt lose any players we own who might be worth a few bob while others will be recalled by parent clubs. The very best we can expect from the future is maybe survival in league one but that is a big ask given the current set up. We are on a very slippery slope.
I've said it before but worth saying again. We are an inexperienced team with an inexperienced manger. There are no leaders on the pitch and none off it. No motivators. We have a potless inexperienced 'board' whose model of relying on young players on loan is clearly being found out. The youngsters are running out of steam while those with any experience are in need of operations and rehabilitation. We will no doubt lose any players we own who might be worth a few bob while others will be recalled by parent clubs. The very best we can expect from the future is maybe survival in league one but that is a big ask given the current set up. We are on a very slippery slope. Since 1950
  • Score: 12

10:08am Wed 12 Mar 14

Rebel_phish says...

Just a note on the attendance figures.

Every club has to do a real-time head count. This is for health and safety reasons. It is so that the response services, Fire, Police and Ambulance crews, know how to handle any situation should an incident occur.

To say that any crowd is perhaps 500, 1,000 or 1,500 greater than the actual true figure is utter nonsense. 20, 50 or even getting on to a 100, maybe, but no more. Apart from regulating the flow into the ground, what else do you think the turnstiles do?
Just a note on the attendance figures. Every club has to do a real-time head count. This is for health and safety reasons. It is so that the response services, Fire, Police and Ambulance crews, know how to handle any situation should an incident occur. To say that any crowd is perhaps 500, 1,000 or 1,500 greater than the actual true figure is utter nonsense. 20, 50 or even getting on to a 100, maybe, but no more. Apart from regulating the flow into the ground, what else do you think the turnstiles do? Rebel_phish
  • Score: 4

10:20am Wed 12 Mar 14

bearwoodred says...

I do agree with some of the posts on here that one of our main problems is releasing the ball quicker and that the backs on a number of occassions could have been put through etc. For me Pritch is the worst offended of this and often retains the ball too long when there are other options - you do not see him cross it very often which is what Smith needs because he is that type of striker.

Having said that I stand by the fact that as footballers the right thing to do is try and retain possession and it you have to go back so be it becuase that is still better than giving the ball away. One of the problems we also have is lacking a Ranger who can bring people in and Cooper does have to work round that by getting the full backs forward.

In the fist half yesterday the Wolves wing backs got forward knowing that they had good cover behind them and they were hitting the killer passes to Sako etc. We left Ward exposed and bingo - it grieves me to say it but he really did not look up to it yesterday but was better after the break. In the second half especially with Louis sat where he did Wolves lost that option, found it harder to go forward and we were able to keep the ball better. Their first shot and only shot after the break was the in the 93rd minute and I refuse to believe that even at 3 -0 up that they would be happy with that coz the Wolves fan I sat with clearly was not and as he said it would have things would have been different had our second half side turned up - it didn't and we got battered. Personally I just wish Mass and Pritch would play quicker balls when they have the chance, which the Ferry Caddis, Ritchie triganlge was so good at. We forget that Mass is only 21 and Pritch is still really in his first full season. Pritch is also fairly greedy and how often does he cross the ball? Not a lot and I would like to know how many assists he has! But I do think he is class but has a lot to learn and I would love to keep him.
I do agree with some of the posts on here that one of our main problems is releasing the ball quicker and that the backs on a number of occassions could have been put through etc. For me Pritch is the worst offended of this and often retains the ball too long when there are other options - you do not see him cross it very often which is what Smith needs because he is that type of striker. Having said that I stand by the fact that as footballers the right thing to do is try and retain possession and it you have to go back so be it becuase that is still better than giving the ball away. One of the problems we also have is lacking a Ranger who can bring people in and Cooper does have to work round that by getting the full backs forward. In the fist half yesterday the Wolves wing backs got forward knowing that they had good cover behind them and they were hitting the killer passes to Sako etc. We left Ward exposed and bingo - it grieves me to say it but he really did not look up to it yesterday but was better after the break. In the second half especially with Louis sat where he did Wolves lost that option, found it harder to go forward and we were able to keep the ball better. Their first shot and only shot after the break was the in the 93rd minute and I refuse to believe that even at 3 -0 up that they would be happy with that coz the Wolves fan I sat with clearly was not and as he said it would have things would have been different had our second half side turned up - it didn't and we got battered. Personally I just wish Mass and Pritch would play quicker balls when they have the chance, which the Ferry Caddis, Ritchie triganlge was so good at. We forget that Mass is only 21 and Pritch is still really in his first full season. Pritch is also fairly greedy and how often does he cross the ball? Not a lot and I would like to know how many assists he has! But I do think he is class but has a lot to learn and I would love to keep him. bearwoodred
  • Score: 6

10:23am Wed 12 Mar 14

Graham8181 says...

i thought it was going to finish minimum 0-5, never seen a team be destroyed by another so easily.
mcleverley had a good game and Pritchard.
how boring are the wolves fans? jesus. that many fans you think would be a little more exciting. glad I don't have to stand with that morbid lot.
cooper is just not up to the job, but we all know that so lets not get lost in that again.
if that guy did spit on branco I hope it's going to be followed up.
missed ranger big time last night.
Barker did look good as well
i thought it was going to finish minimum 0-5, never seen a team be destroyed by another so easily. mcleverley had a good game and Pritchard. how boring are the wolves fans? jesus. that many fans you think would be a little more exciting. glad I don't have to stand with that morbid lot. cooper is just not up to the job, but we all know that so lets not get lost in that again. if that guy did spit on branco I hope it's going to be followed up. missed ranger big time last night. Barker did look good as well Graham8181
  • Score: -1

10:28am Wed 12 Mar 14

Wildwestener says...

Couldn't be at game last night but sounds just like Saturday aganst MK Dons except we were up against a better team in Wolves.

City on Saturday should be interesting but I fear the worst
Couldn't be at game last night but sounds just like Saturday aganst MK Dons except we were up against a better team in Wolves. City on Saturday should be interesting but I fear the worst Wildwestener
  • Score: 1

10:29am Wed 12 Mar 14

Rebel_phish says...

At the start of the season, many were expecting us to be in a relegation battle. New owners, new manager, new fresh faced squad. You look at the teams that came down from the Championship and you would say that all three would be vying for a quick return back up.

We played Posh 4 times. Lost one away. Soundly beat them at home. In the JPT 1st leg we drew but were the best team even with 10 men and should have won. The 2nd leg, again we should have won comfortably, but we let them back into it. Shouldn't have gone to penalties, we should have wrapped it up in open play, but there you go.

We played creative football away to Wolves and were unlucky not to come away with at least a point. Last night was, I'm sorry to say, a capitulation that most saw coming. Tired legs with nothing really to play for. It's as much the players fault as it is Cooper's.

We, played well against City, coming from behind (one of the rare times this season we have done that) to chalk up a resounding morale boosting home win. We go there at the weekend, a local Darby, anything can happen. Though on the back of our resent results, it's probably a home banker again.

No, the table never lies, we are where we are because we are not good enough (yet) for promotion, but we also are not relegation fodder. In the close season players will go, others will come in and we push on again. We are like Orient and Bradford of last season. They have pushed on from their achievements of the last campaign and both in with a shout of auto promotion. That could be us next season. I DO hope so.

As to the manager, well I support the incumbent. I have no say in the decision of who comes in or when and how they bow out. All I do is follow the club, go to the games when money and work will allow and get behind them 100 percent.

The Town are finishing the season in a position I was expecting - not in the play-offs and NOT in the bottom four.

Here's to next campaign.
At the start of the season, many were expecting us to be in a relegation battle. New owners, new manager, new fresh faced squad. You look at the teams that came down from the Championship and you would say that all three would be vying for a quick return back up. We played Posh 4 times. Lost one away. Soundly beat them at home. In the JPT 1st leg we drew but were the best team even with 10 men and should have won. The 2nd leg, again we should have won comfortably, but we let them back into it. Shouldn't have gone to penalties, we should have wrapped it up in open play, but there you go. We played creative football away to Wolves and were unlucky not to come away with at least a point. Last night was, I'm sorry to say, a capitulation that most saw coming. Tired legs with nothing really to play for. It's as much the players fault as it is Cooper's. We, played well against City, coming from behind (one of the rare times this season we have done that) to chalk up a resounding morale boosting home win. We go there at the weekend, a local Darby, anything can happen. Though on the back of our resent results, it's probably a home banker again. No, the table never lies, we are where we are because we are not good enough (yet) for promotion, but we also are not relegation fodder. In the close season players will go, others will come in and we push on again. We are like Orient and Bradford of last season. They have pushed on from their achievements of the last campaign and both in with a shout of auto promotion. That could be us next season. I DO hope so. As to the manager, well I support the incumbent. I have no say in the decision of who comes in or when and how they bow out. All I do is follow the club, go to the games when money and work will allow and get behind them 100 percent. The Town are finishing the season in a position I was expecting - not in the play-offs and NOT in the bottom four. Here's to next campaign. Rebel_phish
  • Score: 5

10:44am Wed 12 Mar 14

Davidsyrett says...

Rebel_phish wrote:
Just a note on the attendance figures.

Every club has to do a real-time head count. This is for health and safety reasons. It is so that the response services, Fire, Police and Ambulance crews, know how to handle any situation should an incident occur.

To say that any crowd is perhaps 500, 1,000 or 1,500 greater than the actual true figure is utter nonsense. 20, 50 or even getting on to a 100, maybe, but no more. Apart from regulating the flow into the ground, what else do you think the turnstiles do?
I think you will find that while you are right about the "real head count" for the police etc, the attendance figure will always include all the season ticket holders whether they go or not. . I assume also that anyone who bought a matchday ticket, but didn't go to the match will also be included in the overall attendance.
[quote][p][bold]Rebel_phish[/bold] wrote: Just a note on the attendance figures. Every club has to do a real-time head count. This is for health and safety reasons. It is so that the response services, Fire, Police and Ambulance crews, know how to handle any situation should an incident occur. To say that any crowd is perhaps 500, 1,000 or 1,500 greater than the actual true figure is utter nonsense. 20, 50 or even getting on to a 100, maybe, but no more. Apart from regulating the flow into the ground, what else do you think the turnstiles do?[/p][/quote]I think you will find that while you are right about the "real head count" for the police etc, the attendance figure will always include all the season ticket holders whether they go or not. . I assume also that anyone who bought a matchday ticket, but didn't go to the match will also be included in the overall attendance. Davidsyrett
  • Score: 3

11:03am Wed 12 Mar 14

umpcah says...

the wizard wrote:
grove red wrote:
the wizard wrote:
oncearedalwaysared wrote:
Until last night I have never criticised Mark Cooper and have been prepared to support the cause but last night was nothing short of an abject disaster, and everyone in the ground knew what was coming. No shape, no desire, no running off the ball, no closing down of the opposition. All these are basics for any half decent side, and we had none of them.

Kenny Jackett must have been laughing all the way back to Birmingham because this must have been the easiest win of their season. Any one of us could have given the Wolves team talk - run at their defence, it will crumble, and boy did we!!

Ward seemed to be wandering around aimlessly all night, not vocal, not revving up the team, just hopelessly outclassed and outrun by a better team. Our midfielders failed to spot any of the superb runs by McEveley or Barthram when he came on, too intent on keeping possession in midfield to allow the opposition to get 10 men behind the ball. THey never looked up, had no vision and no desire to drive forward. Even when we did, and we scored, we soon reverted to the old format.

Sometimes you do have to admit to having been beaten by the better team, we were, but what I can't accept is Cooper coming out with the drivel after the match. We weren't impressive in the second half Mark, we were allowed to keep the ball because Wolves didn't need it any more, they had already done enough. All the second half proved was that our forward line is as ineffective as our defence when under pressure.

This is almost the same team that was terrorising other teams earlier in the season, the difference is tactics, and that is down to the manager. Tippy tappy sideways football does not win matches.

For the first time this season, I am sorry, but I am now willing to join the group that suggests Cooper has run his course. I know there won't be many alternatives out there, but unless Power starts looking for his replacement now we will be in a relegation fight this time next year, if not already relegated due to having so few points we won't be mathematically able to get out of it.

Shut the door on your way our Cooper, something our defence is incapable of doing.
A very true and reflective post. Full of heart and passion may I add.

Well some may come on here with their stats, the truth is the S/T head count has to be tied into the attendance figures as that seat has been bought for the game. Last evening and this morning I have spoken to six S/T holders who didn't go and they in turn related to others who also didn't go..

I'd really like SAM to find out what the actual count was. If there where no queues for drinks at half time on a chilly evening that usually equates down to around 4, 500/5000 or less.

I share your love for the club, 56 years supporting them, as yes we are entitled to get racked off when its going like this. Very surprised that there aren't louder chants for Cooper out, but there is nobody obvious to take over. I am becoming fearful of the next few weeks and where they may take us, and next season already looks like its going to be hard work, but that depends on who is manager.
Funny how at the start of the season when we had direction and desire Cooper never mention that we were work in progress and a young team still finding its way. I politely suggest he has lost his mojo.

When Fitton (bless him) spent time out of the country things went haywire at CG and the team lost its way like it has now, It was only when he was here that things picked up. Power being away for long periods due to his taxation embargo doesn't help either I'm sure. Just an observation.
I know 5 season ticket holders who did not go last night.
I heard that Power was going to hold a supporters meeting on apathy towards the club in the Legends. It seems that it got cancelled through lack of interest.















If Power was to sack Cooper then probably he would appoint Williams as temporary manager due to money reasons. Just a thought, why doesn't he try rotating them now and put Williams in charge of team and team selection and give things a whirl. Nothing to loose but a lot of respect to gain, on all fronts.
I heard that Power was going to hold a supporters meeting on apathy towards the club in the Legends. It seems that it got cancelled through lack of interest.

NICE ONE - first time I`ve grinned today !
[quote][p][bold]the wizard[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]grove red[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]the wizard[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]oncearedalwaysared[/bold] wrote: Until last night I have never criticised Mark Cooper and have been prepared to support the cause but last night was nothing short of an abject disaster, and everyone in the ground knew what was coming. No shape, no desire, no running off the ball, no closing down of the opposition. All these are basics for any half decent side, and we had none of them. Kenny Jackett must have been laughing all the way back to Birmingham because this must have been the easiest win of their season. Any one of us could have given the Wolves team talk - run at their defence, it will crumble, and boy did we!! Ward seemed to be wandering around aimlessly all night, not vocal, not revving up the team, just hopelessly outclassed and outrun by a better team. Our midfielders failed to spot any of the superb runs by McEveley or Barthram when he came on, too intent on keeping possession in midfield to allow the opposition to get 10 men behind the ball. THey never looked up, had no vision and no desire to drive forward. Even when we did, and we scored, we soon reverted to the old format. Sometimes you do have to admit to having been beaten by the better team, we were, but what I can't accept is Cooper coming out with the drivel after the match. We weren't impressive in the second half Mark, we were allowed to keep the ball because Wolves didn't need it any more, they had already done enough. All the second half proved was that our forward line is as ineffective as our defence when under pressure. This is almost the same team that was terrorising other teams earlier in the season, the difference is tactics, and that is down to the manager. Tippy tappy sideways football does not win matches. For the first time this season, I am sorry, but I am now willing to join the group that suggests Cooper has run his course. I know there won't be many alternatives out there, but unless Power starts looking for his replacement now we will be in a relegation fight this time next year, if not already relegated due to having so few points we won't be mathematically able to get out of it. Shut the door on your way our Cooper, something our defence is incapable of doing.[/p][/quote]A very true and reflective post. Full of heart and passion may I add. Well some may come on here with their stats, the truth is the S/T head count has to be tied into the attendance figures as that seat has been bought for the game. Last evening and this morning I have spoken to six S/T holders who didn't go and they in turn related to others who also didn't go.. I'd really like SAM to find out what the actual count was. If there where no queues for drinks at half time on a chilly evening that usually equates down to around 4, 500/5000 or less. I share your love for the club, 56 years supporting them, as yes we are entitled to get racked off when its going like this. Very surprised that there aren't louder chants for Cooper out, but there is nobody obvious to take over. I am becoming fearful of the next few weeks and where they may take us, and next season already looks like its going to be hard work, but that depends on who is manager. Funny how at the start of the season when we had direction and desire Cooper never mention that we were work in progress and a young team still finding its way. I politely suggest he has lost his mojo. When Fitton (bless him) spent time out of the country things went haywire at CG and the team lost its way like it has now, It was only when he was here that things picked up. Power being away for long periods due to his taxation embargo doesn't help either I'm sure. Just an observation.[/p][/quote]I know 5 season ticket holders who did not go last night.[/p][/quote]I heard that Power was going to hold a supporters meeting on apathy towards the club in the Legends. It seems that it got cancelled through lack of interest. If Power was to sack Cooper then probably he would appoint Williams as temporary manager due to money reasons. Just a thought, why doesn't he try rotating them now and put Williams in charge of team and team selection and give things a whirl. Nothing to loose but a lot of respect to gain, on all fronts.[/p][/quote]I heard that Power was going to hold a supporters meeting on apathy towards the club in the Legends. It seems that it got cancelled through lack of interest. NICE ONE - first time I`ve grinned today ! umpcah
  • Score: 0

11:07am Wed 12 Mar 14

buckobassettboy says...

Where is Swindon61?-surely he must have something positive to say.Meanwhile,the tide is still coming in and King Canute Cooper is still sat on his chair-not even waving his arms now.The PDC era may not have pleased everybody but even a neutral would have chosen his way over Coopers abject,clueless,pass
ionless rank management Coupled with the spiv Power who would not look out of place-Dahn the market wiv a barra- we have got a double act that needs to walk off the County Ground stage asap.The audience seems to be deminishing game by game and 7000?to watch the leaders suggests to me that walk ups and season ticket holders have had enough.I know I have.
Where is Swindon61?-surely he must have something positive to say.Meanwhile,the tide is still coming in and King Canute Cooper is still sat on his chair-not even waving his arms now.The PDC era may not have pleased everybody but even a neutral would have chosen his way over Coopers abject,clueless,pass ionless rank management Coupled with the spiv Power who would not look out of place-Dahn the market wiv a barra- we have got a double act that needs to walk off the County Ground stage asap.The audience seems to be deminishing game by game and 7000?to watch the leaders suggests to me that walk ups and season ticket holders have had enough.I know I have. buckobassettboy
  • Score: 7

11:07am Wed 12 Mar 14

grove red says...

see chris powell got the sack for not picking players the chairman wants in the team?? thought he was doing a great job on a tight budget.
see chris powell got the sack for not picking players the chairman wants in the team?? thought he was doing a great job on a tight budget. grove red
  • Score: 5

11:20am Wed 12 Mar 14

London Red says...

Davidsyrett wrote:
Last night was boys against men, Wolves oozed confidence and totally outclassed us in the first half, our defence was totally exposed as one having no pace. Ward and Branco must be replaced at the end of the season, and if Troy can only play one game a week at his age, we better off load him as well. The problem is that the midfield has no pace as well, or for that matter the forward(s), we are too easy to play against. If we are seriously looking for promotion next season, we have to be able to break with pace, just like Wolves last night., oh and of course defend. I don't see Cooper going anywhere, watching the FL show on Saturday night, it was a realistic appraisal of where the club are today, and in the scheme of things we've done OK this season., but if next season is to improve then LP is going to have to invest some of his money into the squad. Yes we've seen Yeovil & Orient have success on a shoestring budget, but they are the minority rather than the norm. All the big spenders (except City) are near the top, and I'm sure it will be the same next season.
Lets get some perspective when comparing us to the best team in the league (and best team by a country mile and then some)
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Wolves came straight from the Premiership to L1 are still receiving £14m a season in parachute payments - thats about 3 times out income alone before you add on their actual revenue!
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They are not your typical L1 side and should not be our benchmark! Bit like us under McMahon where we won it with 95 points!
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That money has flown into their squad - they have spent over £3m this season alone (McDonald £750k, Golbourne £750k, Clarke £750k, Jacobs £400k, Dicko £300k and Henry £250k)
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Not to mention the Premiership players they still have on their books - Doyle and O'Hara plus Ricketts and Sako who are still actually playing for them!
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If they are spending that kind of money of transfer fees goodness knows what their wage bill is - but I bet it will make PdC's look tiny!
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Its no wonder they are flying high and beating everyone - lets not forget they went to Brentford and Walsall in recent weeks and won by 3 goals too!
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I can't believe after seeing us spend money we didn't have for the past few seasons which never resulted in promotion and nearly put us out of business - people still want us to try it again!
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Plus others like Sheff U, Preston and Sh1tty this year show its not just money - as have others before them - how long did it take Leeds to go up?
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The change in model is going to take time - that is not weeks or even months - so we need to judge it at the end of next season or the season after to see how it is developing
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We currently have Wes, N.Thompson, L.Thompson, Luongo and Ranger on our books - who even Wolves would probably welcome into their star studded team
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Plus we have had the opportunity to see Pritchard grace our pitch all season - you know a player who is a finalist in the FL Young Player of the Season - yet another Wolves were looking at!
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Then you add in other good prospects like Kasim, Byrne and Belford and that is a massive first step to moving forward
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Lets see who we are targetting and get in and judge the squad on that
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Did anyone really think we would have built a promotion squad after having to literally start from scratch?
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Least now we are not starting from scratch and can have a more "normal" pre-season rebuild
[quote][p][bold]Davidsyrett[/bold] wrote: Last night was boys against men, Wolves oozed confidence and totally outclassed us in the first half, our defence was totally exposed as one having no pace. Ward and Branco must be replaced at the end of the season, and if Troy can only play one game a week at his age, we better off load him as well. The problem is that the midfield has no pace as well, or for that matter the forward(s), we are too easy to play against. If we are seriously looking for promotion next season, we have to be able to break with pace, just like Wolves last night., oh and of course defend. I don't see Cooper going anywhere, watching the FL show on Saturday night, it was a realistic appraisal of where the club are today, and in the scheme of things we've done OK this season., but if next season is to improve then LP is going to have to invest some of his money into the squad. Yes we've seen Yeovil & Orient have success on a shoestring budget, but they are the minority rather than the norm. All the big spenders (except City) are near the top, and I'm sure it will be the same next season.[/p][/quote]Lets get some perspective when comparing us to the best team in the league (and best team by a country mile and then some) . Wolves came straight from the Premiership to L1 are still receiving £14m a season in parachute payments - thats about 3 times out income alone before you add on their actual revenue! . They are not your typical L1 side and should not be our benchmark! Bit like us under McMahon where we won it with 95 points! . That money has flown into their squad - they have spent over £3m this season alone (McDonald £750k, Golbourne £750k, Clarke £750k, Jacobs £400k, Dicko £300k and Henry £250k) . Not to mention the Premiership players they still have on their books - Doyle and O'Hara plus Ricketts and Sako who are still actually playing for them! . If they are spending that kind of money of transfer fees goodness knows what their wage bill is - but I bet it will make PdC's look tiny! . Its no wonder they are flying high and beating everyone - lets not forget they went to Brentford and Walsall in recent weeks and won by 3 goals too! . I can't believe after seeing us spend money we didn't have for the past few seasons which never resulted in promotion and nearly put us out of business - people still want us to try it again! . Plus others like Sheff U, Preston and Sh1tty this year show its not just money - as have others before them - how long did it take Leeds to go up? . The change in model is going to take time - that is not weeks or even months - so we need to judge it at the end of next season or the season after to see how it is developing . We currently have Wes, N.Thompson, L.Thompson, Luongo and Ranger on our books - who even Wolves would probably welcome into their star studded team . Plus we have had the opportunity to see Pritchard grace our pitch all season - you know a player who is a finalist in the FL Young Player of the Season - yet another Wolves were looking at! . Then you add in other good prospects like Kasim, Byrne and Belford and that is a massive first step to moving forward . Lets see who we are targetting and get in and judge the squad on that . Did anyone really think we would have built a promotion squad after having to literally start from scratch? . Least now we are not starting from scratch and can have a more "normal" pre-season rebuild London Red
  • Score: 6

11:54am Wed 12 Mar 14

the wizard says...

umpcah

Glad I was able to bring a smile to your furrowed brow.
umpcah Glad I was able to bring a smile to your furrowed brow. the wizard
  • Score: -3

1:03pm Wed 12 Mar 14

LeGod says...

i'm still recovering from that shocking first half performance and it was embarrassing to watch. Three goals on a plate for Wolves.
Listening to Cooper after the game he stated people know we are lacking pace at the back so why havent we corrected it as last night it was embarrassing watching Ward turn and trying to run and catch their striker.
The scouting of wolves before we played them couldnt have been too good either if Cooper knows we are slow at the back and they had a couple of nippy guys up front why werent the tactics considered to cope with that.
As for people saying we played well second half yes we kept possession well but lets be honest Wolves knew the game was won and were just in second gear and no way on earth are we going to score three goals as we havent got it in us.
We have one striker a YTS kid on the bench Storey no where to be seen and yet a YTS kid is now ahead of him and N'guessan not even breaking sweat and to me something is up there with him and Cooper.
I said last week and i said before the game we are on a downward spiral and i seriously cannot see us picking up points at the moment and if people think we are safe we are not we probably need 7 points and looking at where we are going to get them im struggling to see.
Not looking forward to seeing the result satuday i was going but not now even after buying my ticket but i havent enjoyed a game for a few weeks now as we are a complete shambles to watch and if Cooper doesnt realise that then i dont know what to think.
What makes it worse is MK Dons are such a bad side and they could sneak in the play offs as i reckon Peterborough could blow it.
If our players had had a bit more desire and leadership from our now becoming very inept manager it could be us where MK Dons are.
I fear another stuffing saturday City are just getting things together and we are going the other way falling apart or already fallen apart.
i'm still recovering from that shocking first half performance and it was embarrassing to watch. Three goals on a plate for Wolves. Listening to Cooper after the game he stated people know we are lacking pace at the back so why havent we corrected it as last night it was embarrassing watching Ward turn and trying to run and catch their striker. The scouting of wolves before we played them couldnt have been too good either if Cooper knows we are slow at the back and they had a couple of nippy guys up front why werent the tactics considered to cope with that. As for people saying we played well second half yes we kept possession well but lets be honest Wolves knew the game was won and were just in second gear and no way on earth are we going to score three goals as we havent got it in us. We have one striker a YTS kid on the bench Storey no where to be seen and yet a YTS kid is now ahead of him and N'guessan not even breaking sweat and to me something is up there with him and Cooper. I said last week and i said before the game we are on a downward spiral and i seriously cannot see us picking up points at the moment and if people think we are safe we are not we probably need 7 points and looking at where we are going to get them im struggling to see. Not looking forward to seeing the result satuday i was going but not now even after buying my ticket but i havent enjoyed a game for a few weeks now as we are a complete shambles to watch and if Cooper doesnt realise that then i dont know what to think. What makes it worse is MK Dons are such a bad side and they could sneak in the play offs as i reckon Peterborough could blow it. If our players had had a bit more desire and leadership from our now becoming very inept manager it could be us where MK Dons are. I fear another stuffing saturday City are just getting things together and we are going the other way falling apart or already fallen apart. LeGod
  • Score: 7

1:04pm Wed 12 Mar 14

GiulianoGrazioli says...

that was a lot to take in last night. Start was dreadful and Wolves looked by far the better side... Sako and Dicko looked very good, two big strong players. McDonald - calm and composed in midfield... Jacobs has got the legs to roam...you cannot knock quality - they had bags of it.

Belford - Hard to judge, left with no chance for the goals - Wolves players got through too easily to score... kicking wasn't as bad as it has been. Played short dangerously a couple of times. 6.

Jay McEveley - For me, one of our better players this season. His experience has been vital, 110% for effort and last night proved to his doubters again. I hope he stays with us... and I hope the knee issues can be managed - showed real class last night and put in a shift. 7.

Darren Ward - As we have seen numerous times this year, he is no longer good enough. not got the legs to chase for the ball... he is good in the air and won a few decent headers - this is becoming an issue for the team increasingly. 5

Rossi Branco - Too raw for me....sometimes he looks okay, but most of the time looks out of his depth slightly... shaky moments and almost caught napping a few times... undecided on this one - but don't ever feel comfortable when he is in the starting 11. 5.

Byrne - Did okay first half, but height was a bit of an issue in this game and down that flank were Sako was operating in... watching Byrne play against them both - there was no contest really... turns out he picked up an injury so hard to judge. 5

Harley - Flapped about in midfield, looked like he had no ideas, with each game i've seen him he's looked too slow and sloppy...a weak link in the side I feel. woeful. 5

Kasim - Looked for the ball on a number of ocassions, passed well - limited options around him and he was forced back due to Wolves closing them down. Not one of his best but an okay game. 6

Luongo - Sloppy first half, stray passes and ran into opposing players - not the same Luongo we have seen this season, looks drained and slower than normal. Came into his own a little in second half but only because Wolves players eased off and wern't pressing so much. 6

N'Guessan - The search party are still looking for Dany. Completely invisible in the first half... there was one moment where he surged forward on a good run but unfortunately the rest of the team where sat with the tea lady enjoying a scone... nowhere to be seen. summed up the night well. 5

Pritchard - Created something out of nothing on many ocassions, ran at the oppostiion with a fair bit of success. Had a few good efforts - commendable effort and our best player on the pitch, Jay wasn't far but Alex didn't give up - even in the first half when it looked like our team didn't care - great game from him, he'll be missed. 8

M Smith - Did okay, but didn't win enough headers or get hold of the ball enough to be honest....felt the goal was a little lucky but did well to finish it. Average performance, I would have played Dany up front second half instead - but he did score a goal I guess. 6

Subs:

Barker - Looked okay, kept cutting inside - didn't add much to the team to be fair but would like to see more of him before the end of the season. 6

L. Thompson - Determind, 110% effort and added something to our game. Been mr consistent this year, an important player for the team. Was unlucky with his run towards goal when the shot flew past Ikeme's goal. 7

Barthram - got himself into space, wasn't used as much as it could have been. Still think is size is an issue. No chance against Sako... - again we need to see more of him to justify the added year. 6

Cooper - Sat on his a$$ sulking. 4
that was a lot to take in last night. Start was dreadful and Wolves looked by far the better side... Sako and Dicko looked very good, two big strong players. McDonald - calm and composed in midfield... Jacobs has got the legs to roam...you cannot knock quality - they had bags of it. Belford - Hard to judge, left with no chance for the goals - Wolves players got through too easily to score... kicking wasn't as bad as it has been. Played short dangerously a couple of times. 6. Jay McEveley - For me, one of our better players this season. His experience has been vital, 110% for effort and last night proved to his doubters again. I hope he stays with us... and I hope the knee issues can be managed - showed real class last night and put in a shift. 7. Darren Ward - As we have seen numerous times this year, he is no longer good enough. not got the legs to chase for the ball... he is good in the air and won a few decent headers - this is becoming an issue for the team increasingly. 5 Rossi Branco - Too raw for me....sometimes he looks okay, but most of the time looks out of his depth slightly... shaky moments and almost caught napping a few times... undecided on this one - but don't ever feel comfortable when he is in the starting 11. 5. Byrne - Did okay first half, but height was a bit of an issue in this game and down that flank were Sako was operating in... watching Byrne play against them both - there was no contest really... turns out he picked up an injury so hard to judge. 5 Harley - Flapped about in midfield, looked like he had no ideas, with each game i've seen him he's looked too slow and sloppy...a weak link in the side I feel. woeful. 5 Kasim - Looked for the ball on a number of ocassions, passed well - limited options around him and he was forced back due to Wolves closing them down. Not one of his best but an okay game. 6 Luongo - Sloppy first half, stray passes and ran into opposing players - not the same Luongo we have seen this season, looks drained and slower than normal. Came into his own a little in second half but only because Wolves players eased off and wern't pressing so much. 6 N'Guessan - The search party are still looking for Dany. Completely invisible in the first half... there was one moment where he surged forward on a good run but unfortunately the rest of the team where sat with the tea lady enjoying a scone... nowhere to be seen. summed up the night well. 5 Pritchard - Created something out of nothing on many ocassions, ran at the oppostiion with a fair bit of success. Had a few good efforts - commendable effort and our best player on the pitch, Jay wasn't far but Alex didn't give up - even in the first half when it looked like our team didn't care - great game from him, he'll be missed. 8 M Smith - Did okay, but didn't win enough headers or get hold of the ball enough to be honest....felt the goal was a little lucky but did well to finish it. Average performance, I would have played Dany up front second half instead - but he did score a goal I guess. 6 Subs: Barker - Looked okay, kept cutting inside - didn't add much to the team to be fair but would like to see more of him before the end of the season. 6 L. Thompson - Determind, 110% effort and added something to our game. Been mr consistent this year, an important player for the team. Was unlucky with his run towards goal when the shot flew past Ikeme's goal. 7 Barthram - got himself into space, wasn't used as much as it could have been. Still think is size is an issue. No chance against Sako... - again we need to see more of him to justify the added year. 6 Cooper - Sat on his a$$ sulking. 4 GiulianoGrazioli
  • Score: 4

1:10pm Wed 12 Mar 14

Mchalethegreat says...

Its not to do with expectations its what you see on the pitch and that presently is a one dimensional team lacking fight or passion. McEveley with his injured knee was the only player prepared to put a foot in and let the oppo know he meant business. A midfield of Harley, Luongo, Prichard and NGuessan hardly won a tackle between them and when you see players losing every 50/50 its the defence that has to cope. Ward is not up to it and its unfair to have a go at Branco whos hardly played any League football. Mr Cooper is adopting the same "head in the sand" mantra as Paul Hart. You could see what a difference even a slight raise in tempo made to the supporters last night...its not rocket science. An injection of pace, passion and postivity would work wonders Mr Cooper ...watching sideways passing "possession" football with no end product is not the be all and end all of how to play.
Its not to do with expectations its what you see on the pitch and that presently is a one dimensional team lacking fight or passion. McEveley with his injured knee was the only player prepared to put a foot in and let the oppo know he meant business. A midfield of Harley, Luongo, Prichard and NGuessan hardly won a tackle between them and when you see players losing every 50/50 its the defence that has to cope. Ward is not up to it and its unfair to have a go at Branco whos hardly played any League football. Mr Cooper is adopting the same "head in the sand" mantra as Paul Hart. You could see what a difference even a slight raise in tempo made to the supporters last night...its not rocket science. An injection of pace, passion and postivity would work wonders Mr Cooper ...watching sideways passing "possession" football with no end product is not the be all and end all of how to play. Mchalethegreat
  • Score: 2

1:16pm Wed 12 Mar 14

umpcah says...

GiulianoGrazioli wrote:
that was a lot to take in last night. Start was dreadful and Wolves looked by far the better side... Sako and Dicko looked very good, two big strong players. McDonald - calm and composed in midfield... Jacobs has got the legs to roam...you cannot knock quality - they had bags of it.

Belford - Hard to judge, left with no chance for the goals - Wolves players got through too easily to score... kicking wasn't as bad as it has been. Played short dangerously a couple of times. 6.

Jay McEveley - For me, one of our better players this season. His experience has been vital, 110% for effort and last night proved to his doubters again. I hope he stays with us... and I hope the knee issues can be managed - showed real class last night and put in a shift. 7.

Darren Ward - As we have seen numerous times this year, he is no longer good enough. not got the legs to chase for the ball... he is good in the air and won a few decent headers - this is becoming an issue for the team increasingly. 5

Rossi Branco - Too raw for me....sometimes he looks okay, but most of the time looks out of his depth slightly... shaky moments and almost caught napping a few times... undecided on this one - but don't ever feel comfortable when he is in the starting 11. 5.

Byrne - Did okay first half, but height was a bit of an issue in this game and down that flank were Sako was operating in... watching Byrne play against them both - there was no contest really... turns out he picked up an injury so hard to judge. 5

Harley - Flapped about in midfield, looked like he had no ideas, with each game i've seen him he's looked too slow and sloppy...a weak link in the side I feel. woeful. 5

Kasim - Looked for the ball on a number of ocassions, passed well - limited options around him and he was forced back due to Wolves closing them down. Not one of his best but an okay game. 6

Luongo - Sloppy first half, stray passes and ran into opposing players - not the same Luongo we have seen this season, looks drained and slower than normal. Came into his own a little in second half but only because Wolves players eased off and wern't pressing so much. 6

N'Guessan - The search party are still looking for Dany. Completely invisible in the first half... there was one moment where he surged forward on a good run but unfortunately the rest of the team where sat with the tea lady enjoying a scone... nowhere to be seen. summed up the night well. 5

Pritchard - Created something out of nothing on many ocassions, ran at the oppostiion with a fair bit of success. Had a few good efforts - commendable effort and our best player on the pitch, Jay wasn't far but Alex didn't give up - even in the first half when it looked like our team didn't care - great game from him, he'll be missed. 8

M Smith - Did okay, but didn't win enough headers or get hold of the ball enough to be honest....felt the goal was a little lucky but did well to finish it. Average performance, I would have played Dany up front second half instead - but he did score a goal I guess. 6

Subs:

Barker - Looked okay, kept cutting inside - didn't add much to the team to be fair but would like to see more of him before the end of the season. 6

L. Thompson - Determind, 110% effort and added something to our game. Been mr consistent this year, an important player for the team. Was unlucky with his run towards goal when the shot flew past Ikeme's goal. 7

Barthram - got himself into space, wasn't used as much as it could have been. Still think is size is an issue. No chance against Sako... - again we need to see more of him to justify the added year. 6

Cooper - Sat on his a$$ sulking. 4
the rest of the team where sat with the tea lady enjoying a scone...
With more cutbacks pending you cant really blame them - I hear that it`ll be just the occasional digestive biscuit next season !
[quote][p][bold]GiulianoGrazioli[/bold] wrote: that was a lot to take in last night. Start was dreadful and Wolves looked by far the better side... Sako and Dicko looked very good, two big strong players. McDonald - calm and composed in midfield... Jacobs has got the legs to roam...you cannot knock quality - they had bags of it. Belford - Hard to judge, left with no chance for the goals - Wolves players got through too easily to score... kicking wasn't as bad as it has been. Played short dangerously a couple of times. 6. Jay McEveley - For me, one of our better players this season. His experience has been vital, 110% for effort and last night proved to his doubters again. I hope he stays with us... and I hope the knee issues can be managed - showed real class last night and put in a shift. 7. Darren Ward - As we have seen numerous times this year, he is no longer good enough. not got the legs to chase for the ball... he is good in the air and won a few decent headers - this is becoming an issue for the team increasingly. 5 Rossi Branco - Too raw for me....sometimes he looks okay, but most of the time looks out of his depth slightly... shaky moments and almost caught napping a few times... undecided on this one - but don't ever feel comfortable when he is in the starting 11. 5. Byrne - Did okay first half, but height was a bit of an issue in this game and down that flank were Sako was operating in... watching Byrne play against them both - there was no contest really... turns out he picked up an injury so hard to judge. 5 Harley - Flapped about in midfield, looked like he had no ideas, with each game i've seen him he's looked too slow and sloppy...a weak link in the side I feel. woeful. 5 Kasim - Looked for the ball on a number of ocassions, passed well - limited options around him and he was forced back due to Wolves closing them down. Not one of his best but an okay game. 6 Luongo - Sloppy first half, stray passes and ran into opposing players - not the same Luongo we have seen this season, looks drained and slower than normal. Came into his own a little in second half but only because Wolves players eased off and wern't pressing so much. 6 N'Guessan - The search party are still looking for Dany. Completely invisible in the first half... there was one moment where he surged forward on a good run but unfortunately the rest of the team where sat with the tea lady enjoying a scone... nowhere to be seen. summed up the night well. 5 Pritchard - Created something out of nothing on many ocassions, ran at the oppostiion with a fair bit of success. Had a few good efforts - commendable effort and our best player on the pitch, Jay wasn't far but Alex didn't give up - even in the first half when it looked like our team didn't care - great game from him, he'll be missed. 8 M Smith - Did okay, but didn't win enough headers or get hold of the ball enough to be honest....felt the goal was a little lucky but did well to finish it. Average performance, I would have played Dany up front second half instead - but he did score a goal I guess. 6 Subs: Barker - Looked okay, kept cutting inside - didn't add much to the team to be fair but would like to see more of him before the end of the season. 6 L. Thompson - Determind, 110% effort and added something to our game. Been mr consistent this year, an important player for the team. Was unlucky with his run towards goal when the shot flew past Ikeme's goal. 7 Barthram - got himself into space, wasn't used as much as it could have been. Still think is size is an issue. No chance against Sako... - again we need to see more of him to justify the added year. 6 Cooper - Sat on his a$$ sulking. 4[/p][/quote]the rest of the team where sat with the tea lady enjoying a scone... With more cutbacks pending you cant really blame them - I hear that it`ll be just the occasional digestive biscuit next season ! umpcah
  • Score: 0

1:20pm Wed 12 Mar 14

Davidsyrett says...

London Red wrote:
Davidsyrett wrote:
Last night was boys against men, Wolves oozed confidence and totally outclassed us in the first half, our defence was totally exposed as one having no pace. Ward and Branco must be replaced at the end of the season, and if Troy can only play one game a week at his age, we better off load him as well. The problem is that the midfield has no pace as well, or for that matter the forward(s), we are too easy to play against. If we are seriously looking for promotion next season, we have to be able to break with pace, just like Wolves last night., oh and of course defend. I don't see Cooper going anywhere, watching the FL show on Saturday night, it was a realistic appraisal of where the club are today, and in the scheme of things we've done OK this season., but if next season is to improve then LP is going to have to invest some of his money into the squad. Yes we've seen Yeovil & Orient have success on a shoestring budget, but they are the minority rather than the norm. All the big spenders (except City) are near the top, and I'm sure it will be the same next season.
Lets get some perspective when comparing us to the best team in the league (and best team by a country mile and then some)
.
Wolves came straight from the Premiership to L1 are still receiving £14m a season in parachute payments - thats about 3 times out income alone before you add on their actual revenue!
.
They are not your typical L1 side and should not be our benchmark! Bit like us under McMahon where we won it with 95 points!
.
That money has flown into their squad - they have spent over £3m this season alone (McDonald £750k, Golbourne £750k, Clarke £750k, Jacobs £400k, Dicko £300k and Henry £250k)
.
Not to mention the Premiership players they still have on their books - Doyle and O'Hara plus Ricketts and Sako who are still actually playing for them!
.
If they are spending that kind of money of transfer fees goodness knows what their wage bill is - but I bet it will make PdC's look tiny!
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Its no wonder they are flying high and beating everyone - lets not forget they went to Brentford and Walsall in recent weeks and won by 3 goals too!
.
I can't believe after seeing us spend money we didn't have for the past few seasons which never resulted in promotion and nearly put us out of business - people still want us to try it again!
.
Plus others like Sheff U, Preston and Sh1tty this year show its not just money - as have others before them - how long did it take Leeds to go up?
.
The change in model is going to take time - that is not weeks or even months - so we need to judge it at the end of next season or the season after to see how it is developing
.
We currently have Wes, N.Thompson, L.Thompson, Luongo and Ranger on our books - who even Wolves would probably welcome into their star studded team
.
Plus we have had the opportunity to see Pritchard grace our pitch all season - you know a player who is a finalist in the FL Young Player of the Season - yet another Wolves were looking at!
.
Then you add in other good prospects like Kasim, Byrne and Belford and that is a massive first step to moving forward
.
Lets see who we are targetting and get in and judge the squad on that
.
Did anyone really think we would have built a promotion squad after having to literally start from scratch?
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Least now we are not starting from scratch and can have a more "normal" pre-season rebuild
LR, Where you there last night? The first half was embarrassing, Wolves were classy, but our lack of pace all over the pitch gave them free reign to do what they wanted, this wasn't just about the ability of our players, it was more about trying to catch them up. Ward and Branco looked like Carthorses!!

I'm certainly not advocating going back to the previous regime's ridiculous spending, but LP will have to invest money in players if he really wants us to be in contention next season for promotion.

It's all well and good saying give these players a few more season's but if they keep on improving and we don't get promotion, they will move on to bigger clubs, contract or no contract .

Yes, we have a core of 5 or 6 players that could grace a promotion winning team, (Ranger would be a massive plus if he stays) Troy would also be great if his injury problems are well and truly over, but we will need at least 1 Experienced quick CB, a CF with pace, and a couple midfielders/wingers who can take players on and beat them, something that has been sadly missing recently.

The problem with loan players from bigger clubs, is that for the most part, it's written into their contract that they have to play, what we need is a bit of experience next season, not another season of blooding youngsters.

I'm quite contented with what we have achieved this season, but we need to step up next season if we are really to move forward.
[quote][p][bold]London Red[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Davidsyrett[/bold] wrote: Last night was boys against men, Wolves oozed confidence and totally outclassed us in the first half, our defence was totally exposed as one having no pace. Ward and Branco must be replaced at the end of the season, and if Troy can only play one game a week at his age, we better off load him as well. The problem is that the midfield has no pace as well, or for that matter the forward(s), we are too easy to play against. If we are seriously looking for promotion next season, we have to be able to break with pace, just like Wolves last night., oh and of course defend. I don't see Cooper going anywhere, watching the FL show on Saturday night, it was a realistic appraisal of where the club are today, and in the scheme of things we've done OK this season., but if next season is to improve then LP is going to have to invest some of his money into the squad. Yes we've seen Yeovil & Orient have success on a shoestring budget, but they are the minority rather than the norm. All the big spenders (except City) are near the top, and I'm sure it will be the same next season.[/p][/quote]Lets get some perspective when comparing us to the best team in the league (and best team by a country mile and then some) . Wolves came straight from the Premiership to L1 are still receiving £14m a season in parachute payments - thats about 3 times out income alone before you add on their actual revenue! . They are not your typical L1 side and should not be our benchmark! Bit like us under McMahon where we won it with 95 points! . That money has flown into their squad - they have spent over £3m this season alone (McDonald £750k, Golbourne £750k, Clarke £750k, Jacobs £400k, Dicko £300k and Henry £250k) . Not to mention the Premiership players they still have on their books - Doyle and O'Hara plus Ricketts and Sako who are still actually playing for them! . If they are spending that kind of money of transfer fees goodness knows what their wage bill is - but I bet it will make PdC's look tiny! . Its no wonder they are flying high and beating everyone - lets not forget they went to Brentford and Walsall in recent weeks and won by 3 goals too! . I can't believe after seeing us spend money we didn't have for the past few seasons which never resulted in promotion and nearly put us out of business - people still want us to try it again! . Plus others like Sheff U, Preston and Sh1tty this year show its not just money - as have others before them - how long did it take Leeds to go up? . The change in model is going to take time - that is not weeks or even months - so we need to judge it at the end of next season or the season after to see how it is developing . We currently have Wes, N.Thompson, L.Thompson, Luongo and Ranger on our books - who even Wolves would probably welcome into their star studded team . Plus we have had the opportunity to see Pritchard grace our pitch all season - you know a player who is a finalist in the FL Young Player of the Season - yet another Wolves were looking at! . Then you add in other good prospects like Kasim, Byrne and Belford and that is a massive first step to moving forward . Lets see who we are targetting and get in and judge the squad on that . Did anyone really think we would have built a promotion squad after having to literally start from scratch? . Least now we are not starting from scratch and can have a more "normal" pre-season rebuild[/p][/quote]LR, Where you there last night? The first half was embarrassing, Wolves were classy, but our lack of pace all over the pitch gave them free reign to do what they wanted, this wasn't just about the ability of our players, it was more about trying to catch them up. Ward and Branco looked like Carthorses!! I'm certainly not advocating going back to the previous regime's ridiculous spending, but LP will have to invest money in players if he really wants us to be in contention next season for promotion. It's all well and good saying give these players a few more season's but if they keep on improving and we don't get promotion, they will move on to bigger clubs, contract or no contract . Yes, we have a core of 5 or 6 players that could grace a promotion winning team, (Ranger would be a massive plus if he stays) Troy would also be great if his injury problems are well and truly over, but we will need at least 1 Experienced quick CB, a CF with pace, and a couple midfielders/wingers who can take players on and beat them, something that has been sadly missing recently. The problem with loan players from bigger clubs, is that for the most part, it's written into their contract that they have to play, what we need is a bit of experience next season, not another season of blooding youngsters. I'm quite contented with what we have achieved this season, but we need to step up next season if we are really to move forward. Davidsyrett
  • Score: -1

1:34pm Wed 12 Mar 14

Bassett Hound says...

London Red wrote:
Davidsyrett wrote:
Last night was boys against men, Wolves oozed confidence and totally outclassed us in the first half, our defence was totally exposed as one having no pace. Ward and Branco must be replaced at the end of the season, and if Troy can only play one game a week at his age, we better off load him as well. The problem is that the midfield has no pace as well, or for that matter the forward(s), we are too easy to play against. If we are seriously looking for promotion next season, we have to be able to break with pace, just like Wolves last night., oh and of course defend. I don't see Cooper going anywhere, watching the FL show on Saturday night, it was a realistic appraisal of where the club are today, and in the scheme of things we've done OK this season., but if next season is to improve then LP is going to have to invest some of his money into the squad. Yes we've seen Yeovil & Orient have success on a shoestring budget, but they are the minority rather than the norm. All the big spenders (except City) are near the top, and I'm sure it will be the same next season.
Lets get some perspective when comparing us to the best team in the league (and best team by a country mile and then some)
.
Wolves came straight from the Premiership to L1 are still receiving £14m a season in parachute payments - thats about 3 times out income alone before you add on their actual revenue!
.
They are not your typical L1 side and should not be our benchmark! Bit like us under McMahon where we won it with 95 points!
.
That money has flown into their squad - they have spent over £3m this season alone (McDonald £750k, Golbourne £750k, Clarke £750k, Jacobs £400k, Dicko £300k and Henry £250k)
.
Not to mention the Premiership players they still have on their books - Doyle and O'Hara plus Ricketts and Sako who are still actually playing for them!
.
If they are spending that kind of money of transfer fees goodness knows what their wage bill is - but I bet it will make PdC's look tiny!
.
Its no wonder they are flying high and beating everyone - lets not forget they went to Brentford and Walsall in recent weeks and won by 3 goals too!
.
I can't believe after seeing us spend money we didn't have for the past few seasons which never resulted in promotion and nearly put us out of business - people still want us to try it again!
.
Plus others like Sheff U, Preston and Sh1tty this year show its not just money - as have others before them - how long did it take Leeds to go up?
.
The change in model is going to take time - that is not weeks or even months - so we need to judge it at the end of next season or the season after to see how it is developing
.
We currently have Wes, N.Thompson, L.Thompson, Luongo and Ranger on our books - who even Wolves would probably welcome into their star studded team
.
Plus we have had the opportunity to see Pritchard grace our pitch all season - you know a player who is a finalist in the FL Young Player of the Season - yet another Wolves were looking at!
.
Then you add in other good prospects like Kasim, Byrne and Belford and that is a massive first step to moving forward
.
Lets see who we are targetting and get in and judge the squad on that
.
Did anyone really think we would have built a promotion squad after having to literally start from scratch?
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Least now we are not starting from scratch and can have a more "normal" pre-season rebuild
Good post LR
[quote][p][bold]London Red[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Davidsyrett[/bold] wrote: Last night was boys against men, Wolves oozed confidence and totally outclassed us in the first half, our defence was totally exposed as one having no pace. Ward and Branco must be replaced at the end of the season, and if Troy can only play one game a week at his age, we better off load him as well. The problem is that the midfield has no pace as well, or for that matter the forward(s), we are too easy to play against. If we are seriously looking for promotion next season, we have to be able to break with pace, just like Wolves last night., oh and of course defend. I don't see Cooper going anywhere, watching the FL show on Saturday night, it was a realistic appraisal of where the club are today, and in the scheme of things we've done OK this season., but if next season is to improve then LP is going to have to invest some of his money into the squad. Yes we've seen Yeovil & Orient have success on a shoestring budget, but they are the minority rather than the norm. All the big spenders (except City) are near the top, and I'm sure it will be the same next season.[/p][/quote]Lets get some perspective when comparing us to the best team in the league (and best team by a country mile and then some) . Wolves came straight from the Premiership to L1 are still receiving £14m a season in parachute payments - thats about 3 times out income alone before you add on their actual revenue! . They are not your typical L1 side and should not be our benchmark! Bit like us under McMahon where we won it with 95 points! . That money has flown into their squad - they have spent over £3m this season alone (McDonald £750k, Golbourne £750k, Clarke £750k, Jacobs £400k, Dicko £300k and Henry £250k) . Not to mention the Premiership players they still have on their books - Doyle and O'Hara plus Ricketts and Sako who are still actually playing for them! . If they are spending that kind of money of transfer fees goodness knows what their wage bill is - but I bet it will make PdC's look tiny! . Its no wonder they are flying high and beating everyone - lets not forget they went to Brentford and Walsall in recent weeks and won by 3 goals too! . I can't believe after seeing us spend money we didn't have for the past few seasons which never resulted in promotion and nearly put us out of business - people still want us to try it again! . Plus others like Sheff U, Preston and Sh1tty this year show its not just money - as have others before them - how long did it take Leeds to go up? . The change in model is going to take time - that is not weeks or even months - so we need to judge it at the end of next season or the season after to see how it is developing . We currently have Wes, N.Thompson, L.Thompson, Luongo and Ranger on our books - who even Wolves would probably welcome into their star studded team . Plus we have had the opportunity to see Pritchard grace our pitch all season - you know a player who is a finalist in the FL Young Player of the Season - yet another Wolves were looking at! . Then you add in other good prospects like Kasim, Byrne and Belford and that is a massive first step to moving forward . Lets see who we are targetting and get in and judge the squad on that . Did anyone really think we would have built a promotion squad after having to literally start from scratch? . Least now we are not starting from scratch and can have a more "normal" pre-season rebuild[/p][/quote]Good post LR Bassett Hound
  • Score: 0

1:55pm Wed 12 Mar 14

who am i says...

Try attending more than a couple of games LR then I might take your comments seriously. You want to watch this week in week out then you might change your tune. But then again you are LR.
Try attending more than a couple of games LR then I might take your comments seriously. You want to watch this week in week out then you might change your tune. But then again you are LR. who am i
  • Score: 2

2:06pm Wed 12 Mar 14

Oi Den! says...

The problem is as plain as it could possibly be. We have too many midfield players of the same ilk - slow, lightweight and unathletic. They hardly got near the ball until Wolves decided to conserve their energy and surrender two thirds of the pitch to us in the second half. If we stay up we'll have had an acceptable season, but it's time to stop the kidology about a work in progress. This is not a work in progress because we are not making any progress. Power has made exactly the same mistakes PDC made when he first arrived. They both overlooked the fact that lower division football requires solid grafters first and twinkle toed footballers second. The penny dropped for PDC eventually. Let's hope it's dropping for Power.

Belford looks a reasonable keeper for this level. Although I'm a fan of Foderingham, I think we should cash in on him and use the money for proper rebuilding, as opposed to the makeshift job that was done for this season. It would be great to see Ranger stay and become a professional footballer but that seems unlikely so best to draw a line under his time too. We need to build a hardworking united squad. If we're going to haul ourselves off the floor (we're definitely on it now) there's going to be no room for non-team players.

Strange how Leon Clarke received so much abuse (more again last night) for one row with The Great Dictator and yet Ranger is almost untouchable in the eyes of some. Clarke showed us again what ba fine player he is, ably assisted by our non-tackling players of course.
The problem is as plain as it could possibly be. We have too many midfield players of the same ilk - slow, lightweight and unathletic. They hardly got near the ball until Wolves decided to conserve their energy and surrender two thirds of the pitch to us in the second half. If we stay up we'll have had an acceptable season, but it's time to stop the kidology about a work in progress. This is not a work in progress because we are not making any progress. Power has made exactly the same mistakes PDC made when he first arrived. They both overlooked the fact that lower division football requires solid grafters first and twinkle toed footballers second. The penny dropped for PDC eventually. Let's hope it's dropping for Power. Belford looks a reasonable keeper for this level. Although I'm a fan of Foderingham, I think we should cash in on him and use the money for proper rebuilding, as opposed to the makeshift job that was done for this season. It would be great to see Ranger stay and become a professional footballer but that seems unlikely so best to draw a line under his time too. We need to build a hardworking united squad. If we're going to haul ourselves off the floor (we're definitely on it now) there's going to be no room for non-team players. Strange how Leon Clarke received so much abuse (more again last night) for one row with The Great Dictator and yet Ranger is almost untouchable in the eyes of some. Clarke showed us again what ba fine player he is, ably assisted by our non-tackling players of course. Oi Den!
  • Score: -1

2:12pm Wed 12 Mar 14

jacksdad1 says...

London Red wrote:
Davidsyrett wrote:
Last night was boys against men, Wolves oozed confidence and totally outclassed us in the first half, our defence was totally exposed as one having no pace. Ward and Branco must be replaced at the end of the season, and if Troy can only play one game a week at his age, we better off load him as well. The problem is that the midfield has no pace as well, or for that matter the forward(s), we are too easy to play against. If we are seriously looking for promotion next season, we have to be able to break with pace, just like Wolves last night., oh and of course defend. I don't see Cooper going anywhere, watching the FL show on Saturday night, it was a realistic appraisal of where the club are today, and in the scheme of things we've done OK this season., but if next season is to improve then LP is going to have to invest some of his money into the squad. Yes we've seen Yeovil & Orient have success on a shoestring budget, but they are the minority rather than the norm. All the big spenders (except City) are near the top, and I'm sure it will be the same next season.
Lets get some perspective when comparing us to the best team in the league (and best team by a country mile and then some)
.
Wolves came straight from the Premiership to L1 are still receiving £14m a season in parachute payments - thats about 3 times out income alone before you add on their actual revenue!
.
They are not your typical L1 side and should not be our benchmark! Bit like us under McMahon where we won it with 95 points!
.
That money has flown into their squad - they have spent over £3m this season alone (McDonald £750k, Golbourne £750k, Clarke £750k, Jacobs £400k, Dicko £300k and Henry £250k)
.
Not to mention the Premiership players they still have on their books - Doyle and O'Hara plus Ricketts and Sako who are still actually playing for them!
.
If they are spending that kind of money of transfer fees goodness knows what their wage bill is - but I bet it will make PdC's look tiny!
.
Its no wonder they are flying high and beating everyone - lets not forget they went to Brentford and Walsall in recent weeks and won by 3 goals too!
.
I can't believe after seeing us spend money we didn't have for the past few seasons which never resulted in promotion and nearly put us out of business - people still want us to try it again!
.
Plus others like Sheff U, Preston and Sh1tty this year show its not just money - as have others before them - how long did it take Leeds to go up?
.
The change in model is going to take time - that is not weeks or even months - so we need to judge it at the end of next season or the season after to see how it is developing
.
We currently have Wes, N.Thompson, L.Thompson, Luongo and Ranger on our books - who even Wolves would probably welcome into their star studded team
.
Plus we have had the opportunity to see Pritchard grace our pitch all season - you know a player who is a finalist in the FL Young Player of the Season - yet another Wolves were looking at!
.
Then you add in other good prospects like Kasim, Byrne and Belford and that is a massive first step to moving forward
.
Lets see who we are targetting and get in and judge the squad on that
.
Did anyone really think we would have built a promotion squad after having to literally start from scratch?
.
Least now we are not starting from scratch and can have a more "normal" pre-season rebuild
Hmm promotion from League 2 didn't happen then.......spending money we didn't have so Mr Black wasn't backing the club ? Yes as with many businesses if the backer pulls out then get into trouble.

Anyway the "mighty Wolves" is not in dispute its the attitude, professionalism and leadership of STFC or lack of it that is under question.

Not seeing a ringing endorsement from the fans either with a v low turnout last night for such high profile game.
[quote][p][bold]London Red[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Davidsyrett[/bold] wrote: Last night was boys against men, Wolves oozed confidence and totally outclassed us in the first half, our defence was totally exposed as one having no pace. Ward and Branco must be replaced at the end of the season, and if Troy can only play one game a week at his age, we better off load him as well. The problem is that the midfield has no pace as well, or for that matter the forward(s), we are too easy to play against. If we are seriously looking for promotion next season, we have to be able to break with pace, just like Wolves last night., oh and of course defend. I don't see Cooper going anywhere, watching the FL show on Saturday night, it was a realistic appraisal of where the club are today, and in the scheme of things we've done OK this season., but if next season is to improve then LP is going to have to invest some of his money into the squad. Yes we've seen Yeovil & Orient have success on a shoestring budget, but they are the minority rather than the norm. All the big spenders (except City) are near the top, and I'm sure it will be the same next season.[/p][/quote]Lets get some perspective when comparing us to the best team in the league (and best team by a country mile and then some) . Wolves came straight from the Premiership to L1 are still receiving £14m a season in parachute payments - thats about 3 times out income alone before you add on their actual revenue! . They are not your typical L1 side and should not be our benchmark! Bit like us under McMahon where we won it with 95 points! . That money has flown into their squad - they have spent over £3m this season alone (McDonald £750k, Golbourne £750k, Clarke £750k, Jacobs £400k, Dicko £300k and Henry £250k) . Not to mention the Premiership players they still have on their books - Doyle and O'Hara plus Ricketts and Sako who are still actually playing for them! . If they are spending that kind of money of transfer fees goodness knows what their wage bill is - but I bet it will make PdC's look tiny! . Its no wonder they are flying high and beating everyone - lets not forget they went to Brentford and Walsall in recent weeks and won by 3 goals too! . I can't believe after seeing us spend money we didn't have for the past few seasons which never resulted in promotion and nearly put us out of business - people still want us to try it again! . Plus others like Sheff U, Preston and Sh1tty this year show its not just money - as have others before them - how long did it take Leeds to go up? . The change in model is going to take time - that is not weeks or even months - so we need to judge it at the end of next season or the season after to see how it is developing . We currently have Wes, N.Thompson, L.Thompson, Luongo and Ranger on our books - who even Wolves would probably welcome into their star studded team . Plus we have had the opportunity to see Pritchard grace our pitch all season - you know a player who is a finalist in the FL Young Player of the Season - yet another Wolves were looking at! . Then you add in other good prospects like Kasim, Byrne and Belford and that is a massive first step to moving forward . Lets see who we are targetting and get in and judge the squad on that . Did anyone really think we would have built a promotion squad after having to literally start from scratch? . Least now we are not starting from scratch and can have a more "normal" pre-season rebuild[/p][/quote]Hmm promotion from League 2 didn't happen then.......spending money we didn't have so Mr Black wasn't backing the club ? Yes as with many businesses if the backer pulls out then get into trouble. Anyway the "mighty Wolves" is not in dispute its the attitude, professionalism and leadership of STFC or lack of it that is under question. Not seeing a ringing endorsement from the fans either with a v low turnout last night for such high profile game. jacksdad1
  • Score: -1

2:31pm Wed 12 Mar 14

Brainy_G93 says...

The header sums it up nicely...men v boys
The header sums it up nicely...men v boys Brainy_G93
  • Score: 1

2:50pm Wed 12 Mar 14

London Red says...

jacksdad1 wrote:
London Red wrote:
Davidsyrett wrote: Last night was boys against men, Wolves oozed confidence and totally outclassed us in the first half, our defence was totally exposed as one having no pace. Ward and Branco must be replaced at the end of the season, and if Troy can only play one game a week at his age, we better off load him as well. The problem is that the midfield has no pace as well, or for that matter the forward(s), we are too easy to play against. If we are seriously looking for promotion next season, we have to be able to break with pace, just like Wolves last night., oh and of course defend. I don't see Cooper going anywhere, watching the FL show on Saturday night, it was a realistic appraisal of where the club are today, and in the scheme of things we've done OK this season., but if next season is to improve then LP is going to have to invest some of his money into the squad. Yes we've seen Yeovil & Orient have success on a shoestring budget, but they are the minority rather than the norm. All the big spenders (except City) are near the top, and I'm sure it will be the same next season.
Lets get some perspective when comparing us to the best team in the league (and best team by a country mile and then some) . Wolves came straight from the Premiership to L1 are still receiving £14m a season in parachute payments - thats about 3 times out income alone before you add on their actual revenue! . They are not your typical L1 side and should not be our benchmark! Bit like us under McMahon where we won it with 95 points! . That money has flown into their squad - they have spent over £3m this season alone (McDonald £750k, Golbourne £750k, Clarke £750k, Jacobs £400k, Dicko £300k and Henry £250k) . Not to mention the Premiership players they still have on their books - Doyle and O'Hara plus Ricketts and Sako who are still actually playing for them! . If they are spending that kind of money of transfer fees goodness knows what their wage bill is - but I bet it will make PdC's look tiny! . Its no wonder they are flying high and beating everyone - lets not forget they went to Brentford and Walsall in recent weeks and won by 3 goals too! . I can't believe after seeing us spend money we didn't have for the past few seasons which never resulted in promotion and nearly put us out of business - people still want us to try it again! . Plus others like Sheff U, Preston and Sh1tty this year show its not just money - as have others before them - how long did it take Leeds to go up? . The change in model is going to take time - that is not weeks or even months - so we need to judge it at the end of next season or the season after to see how it is developing . We currently have Wes, N.Thompson, L.Thompson, Luongo and Ranger on our books - who even Wolves would probably welcome into their star studded team . Plus we have had the opportunity to see Pritchard grace our pitch all season - you know a player who is a finalist in the FL Young Player of the Season - yet another Wolves were looking at! . Then you add in other good prospects like Kasim, Byrne and Belford and that is a massive first step to moving forward . Lets see who we are targetting and get in and judge the squad on that . Did anyone really think we would have built a promotion squad after having to literally start from scratch? . Least now we are not starting from scratch and can have a more "normal" pre-season rebuild
Hmm promotion from League 2 didn't happen then.......spending money we didn't have so Mr Black wasn't backing the club ? Yes as with many businesses if the backer pulls out then get into trouble. Anyway the "mighty Wolves" is not in dispute its the attitude, professionalism and leadership of STFC or lack of it that is under question. Not seeing a ringing endorsement from the fans either with a v low turnout last night for such high profile game.
Where did I say promotion from L2 didn't happen?
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L2 and L1 are totally different and its easier to buy your way out of L2!
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The fact our L1 team under PdC barely looked like our L2 one shows what he thought of the team he "built"
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The point about Leeds, Sheff U and Preston et al shows it is very very very hard to simply buy your way out of L1
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Like I said we should know as we had tried it numerous times under the prevous regime and fallen short each time!
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Yes we were clearly spending money we didn't have !
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It was Black's money - so fine while he was prepared to spend it on us - but when he stopped we were totally up sh1te creak and facing administration until we sold one of the finest talents outside the Premiership for peanuts just to survive the season!
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We are only surviving now due to one man pumping almost £1m in to cover the left over wages we can not afford from that regime - yet all he gets is total abuse
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So yes we clearly were spending money we didn't have and still don't have!
.
That is why Power is doing what he is doing so STFC survives full stop by living within its means
[quote][p][bold]jacksdad1[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]London Red[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Davidsyrett[/bold] wrote: Last night was boys against men, Wolves oozed confidence and totally outclassed us in the first half, our defence was totally exposed as one having no pace. Ward and Branco must be replaced at the end of the season, and if Troy can only play one game a week at his age, we better off load him as well. The problem is that the midfield has no pace as well, or for that matter the forward(s), we are too easy to play against. If we are seriously looking for promotion next season, we have to be able to break with pace, just like Wolves last night., oh and of course defend. I don't see Cooper going anywhere, watching the FL show on Saturday night, it was a realistic appraisal of where the club are today, and in the scheme of things we've done OK this season., but if next season is to improve then LP is going to have to invest some of his money into the squad. Yes we've seen Yeovil & Orient have success on a shoestring budget, but they are the minority rather than the norm. All the big spenders (except City) are near the top, and I'm sure it will be the same next season.[/p][/quote]Lets get some perspective when comparing us to the best team in the league (and best team by a country mile and then some) . Wolves came straight from the Premiership to L1 are still receiving £14m a season in parachute payments - thats about 3 times out income alone before you add on their actual revenue! . They are not your typical L1 side and should not be our benchmark! Bit like us under McMahon where we won it with 95 points! . That money has flown into their squad - they have spent over £3m this season alone (McDonald £750k, Golbourne £750k, Clarke £750k, Jacobs £400k, Dicko £300k and Henry £250k) . Not to mention the Premiership players they still have on their books - Doyle and O'Hara plus Ricketts and Sako who are still actually playing for them! . If they are spending that kind of money of transfer fees goodness knows what their wage bill is - but I bet it will make PdC's look tiny! . Its no wonder they are flying high and beating everyone - lets not forget they went to Brentford and Walsall in recent weeks and won by 3 goals too! . I can't believe after seeing us spend money we didn't have for the past few seasons which never resulted in promotion and nearly put us out of business - people still want us to try it again! . Plus others like Sheff U, Preston and Sh1tty this year show its not just money - as have others before them - how long did it take Leeds to go up? . The change in model is going to take time - that is not weeks or even months - so we need to judge it at the end of next season or the season after to see how it is developing . We currently have Wes, N.Thompson, L.Thompson, Luongo and Ranger on our books - who even Wolves would probably welcome into their star studded team . Plus we have had the opportunity to see Pritchard grace our pitch all season - you know a player who is a finalist in the FL Young Player of the Season - yet another Wolves were looking at! . Then you add in other good prospects like Kasim, Byrne and Belford and that is a massive first step to moving forward . Lets see who we are targetting and get in and judge the squad on that . Did anyone really think we would have built a promotion squad after having to literally start from scratch? . Least now we are not starting from scratch and can have a more "normal" pre-season rebuild[/p][/quote]Hmm promotion from League 2 didn't happen then.......spending money we didn't have so Mr Black wasn't backing the club ? Yes as with many businesses if the backer pulls out then get into trouble. Anyway the "mighty Wolves" is not in dispute its the attitude, professionalism and leadership of STFC or lack of it that is under question. Not seeing a ringing endorsement from the fans either with a v low turnout last night for such high profile game.[/p][/quote]Where did I say promotion from L2 didn't happen? . L2 and L1 are totally different and its easier to buy your way out of L2! . The fact our L1 team under PdC barely looked like our L2 one shows what he thought of the team he "built" . The point about Leeds, Sheff U and Preston et al shows it is very very very hard to simply buy your way out of L1 . Like I said we should know as we had tried it numerous times under the prevous regime and fallen short each time! . Yes we were clearly spending money we didn't have ! . It was Black's money - so fine while he was prepared to spend it on us - but when he stopped we were totally up sh1te creak and facing administration until we sold one of the finest talents outside the Premiership for peanuts just to survive the season! . We are only surviving now due to one man pumping almost £1m in to cover the left over wages we can not afford from that regime - yet all he gets is total abuse . So yes we clearly were spending money we didn't have and still don't have! . That is why Power is doing what he is doing so STFC survives full stop by living within its means London Red
  • Score: 2

2:50pm Wed 12 Mar 14

GiulianoGrazioli says...

umpcah wrote:
GiulianoGrazioli wrote: that was a lot to take in last night. Start was dreadful and Wolves looked by far the better side... Sako and Dicko looked very good, two big strong players. McDonald - calm and composed in midfield... Jacobs has got the legs to roam...you cannot knock quality - they had bags of it. Belford - Hard to judge, left with no chance for the goals - Wolves players got through too easily to score... kicking wasn't as bad as it has been. Played short dangerously a couple of times. 6. Jay McEveley - For me, one of our better players this season. His experience has been vital, 110% for effort and last night proved to his doubters again. I hope he stays with us... and I hope the knee issues can be managed - showed real class last night and put in a shift. 7. Darren Ward - As we have seen numerous times this year, he is no longer good enough. not got the legs to chase for the ball... he is good in the air and won a few decent headers - this is becoming an issue for the team increasingly. 5 Rossi Branco - Too raw for me....sometimes he looks okay, but most of the time looks out of his depth slightly... shaky moments and almost caught napping a few times... undecided on this one - but don't ever feel comfortable when he is in the starting 11. 5. Byrne - Did okay first half, but height was a bit of an issue in this game and down that flank were Sako was operating in... watching Byrne play against them both - there was no contest really... turns out he picked up an injury so hard to judge. 5 Harley - Flapped about in midfield, looked like he had no ideas, with each game i've seen him he's looked too slow and sloppy...a weak link in the side I feel. woeful. 5 Kasim - Looked for the ball on a number of ocassions, passed well - limited options around him and he was forced back due to Wolves closing them down. Not one of his best but an okay game. 6 Luongo - Sloppy first half, stray passes and ran into opposing players - not the same Luongo we have seen this season, looks drained and slower than normal. Came into his own a little in second half but only because Wolves players eased off and wern't pressing so much. 6 N'Guessan - The search party are still looking for Dany. Completely invisible in the first half... there was one moment where he surged forward on a good run but unfortunately the rest of the team where sat with the tea lady enjoying a scone... nowhere to be seen. summed up the night well. 5 Pritchard - Created something out of nothing on many ocassions, ran at the oppostiion with a fair bit of success. Had a few good efforts - commendable effort and our best player on the pitch, Jay wasn't far but Alex didn't give up - even in the first half when it looked like our team didn't care - great game from him, he'll be missed. 8 M Smith - Did okay, but didn't win enough headers or get hold of the ball enough to be honest....felt the goal was a little lucky but did well to finish it. Average performance, I would have played Dany up front second half instead - but he did score a goal I guess. 6 Subs: Barker - Looked okay, kept cutting inside - didn't add much to the team to be fair but would like to see more of him before the end of the season. 6 L. Thompson - Determind, 110% effort and added something to our game. Been mr consistent this year, an important player for the team. Was unlucky with his run towards goal when the shot flew past Ikeme's goal. 7 Barthram - got himself into space, wasn't used as much as it could have been. Still think is size is an issue. No chance against Sako... - again we need to see more of him to justify the added year. 6 Cooper - Sat on his a$$ sulking. 4
the rest of the team where sat with the tea lady enjoying a scone... With more cutbacks pending you cant really blame them - I hear that it`ll be just the occasional digestive biscuit next season !
If we are to go down that route... it certainly was the battle of the Hob Nobs vs Digestive - who dissolved the quickest!
[quote][p][bold]umpcah[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]GiulianoGrazioli[/bold] wrote: that was a lot to take in last night. Start was dreadful and Wolves looked by far the better side... Sako and Dicko looked very good, two big strong players. McDonald - calm and composed in midfield... Jacobs has got the legs to roam...you cannot knock quality - they had bags of it. Belford - Hard to judge, left with no chance for the goals - Wolves players got through too easily to score... kicking wasn't as bad as it has been. Played short dangerously a couple of times. 6. Jay McEveley - For me, one of our better players this season. His experience has been vital, 110% for effort and last night proved to his doubters again. I hope he stays with us... and I hope the knee issues can be managed - showed real class last night and put in a shift. 7. Darren Ward - As we have seen numerous times this year, he is no longer good enough. not got the legs to chase for the ball... he is good in the air and won a few decent headers - this is becoming an issue for the team increasingly. 5 Rossi Branco - Too raw for me....sometimes he looks okay, but most of the time looks out of his depth slightly... shaky moments and almost caught napping a few times... undecided on this one - but don't ever feel comfortable when he is in the starting 11. 5. Byrne - Did okay first half, but height was a bit of an issue in this game and down that flank were Sako was operating in... watching Byrne play against them both - there was no contest really... turns out he picked up an injury so hard to judge. 5 Harley - Flapped about in midfield, looked like he had no ideas, with each game i've seen him he's looked too slow and sloppy...a weak link in the side I feel. woeful. 5 Kasim - Looked for the ball on a number of ocassions, passed well - limited options around him and he was forced back due to Wolves closing them down. Not one of his best but an okay game. 6 Luongo - Sloppy first half, stray passes and ran into opposing players - not the same Luongo we have seen this season, looks drained and slower than normal. Came into his own a little in second half but only because Wolves players eased off and wern't pressing so much. 6 N'Guessan - The search party are still looking for Dany. Completely invisible in the first half... there was one moment where he surged forward on a good run but unfortunately the rest of the team where sat with the tea lady enjoying a scone... nowhere to be seen. summed up the night well. 5 Pritchard - Created something out of nothing on many ocassions, ran at the oppostiion with a fair bit of success. Had a few good efforts - commendable effort and our best player on the pitch, Jay wasn't far but Alex didn't give up - even in the first half when it looked like our team didn't care - great game from him, he'll be missed. 8 M Smith - Did okay, but didn't win enough headers or get hold of the ball enough to be honest....felt the goal was a little lucky but did well to finish it. Average performance, I would have played Dany up front second half instead - but he did score a goal I guess. 6 Subs: Barker - Looked okay, kept cutting inside - didn't add much to the team to be fair but would like to see more of him before the end of the season. 6 L. Thompson - Determind, 110% effort and added something to our game. Been mr consistent this year, an important player for the team. Was unlucky with his run towards goal when the shot flew past Ikeme's goal. 7 Barthram - got himself into space, wasn't used as much as it could have been. Still think is size is an issue. No chance against Sako... - again we need to see more of him to justify the added year. 6 Cooper - Sat on his a$$ sulking. 4[/p][/quote]the rest of the team where sat with the tea lady enjoying a scone... With more cutbacks pending you cant really blame them - I hear that it`ll be just the occasional digestive biscuit next season ![/p][/quote]If we are to go down that route... it certainly was the battle of the Hob Nobs vs Digestive - who dissolved the quickest! GiulianoGrazioli
  • Score: 0

2:50pm Wed 12 Mar 14

LeGod says...

Oi-Den - Leon Clarke got stick because of his reaction to when he scored against us playing for Coventry as before he went along the Arkells stand rubbing our noses in it no one gave him any stick so if you were at the Coventry game you would have know that and last night was a follow on from that.
I've heard as a bloke he is a total K*** but you cant deny him that he is a good player and his goal scoring proves that.
Oi-Den - Leon Clarke got stick because of his reaction to when he scored against us playing for Coventry as before he went along the Arkells stand rubbing our noses in it no one gave him any stick so if you were at the Coventry game you would have know that and last night was a follow on from that. I've heard as a bloke he is a total K*** but you cant deny him that he is a good player and his goal scoring proves that. LeGod
  • Score: 3

2:51pm Wed 12 Mar 14

smirg kcab says...

London Red wrote:
Davidsyrett wrote:
Last night was boys against men, Wolves oozed confidence and totally outclassed us in the first half, our defence was totally exposed as one having no pace. Ward and Branco must be replaced at the end of the season, and if Troy can only play one game a week at his age, we better off load him as well. The problem is that the midfield has no pace as well, or for that matter the forward(s), we are too easy to play against. If we are seriously looking for promotion next season, we have to be able to break with pace, just like Wolves last night., oh and of course defend. I don't see Cooper going anywhere, watching the FL show on Saturday night, it was a realistic appraisal of where the club are today, and in the scheme of things we've done OK this season., but if next season is to improve then LP is going to have to invest some of his money into the squad. Yes we've seen Yeovil & Orient have success on a shoestring budget, but they are the minority rather than the norm. All the big spenders (except City) are near the top, and I'm sure it will be the same next season.
Lets get some perspective when comparing us to the best team in the league (and best team by a country mile and then some)
.
Wolves came straight from the Premiership to L1 are still receiving £14m a season in parachute payments - thats about 3 times out income alone before you add on their actual revenue!
.
They are not your typical L1 side and should not be our benchmark! Bit like us under McMahon where we won it with 95 points!
.
That money has flown into their squad - they have spent over £3m this season alone (McDonald £750k, Golbourne £750k, Clarke £750k, Jacobs £400k, Dicko £300k and Henry £250k)
.
Not to mention the Premiership players they still have on their books - Doyle and O'Hara plus Ricketts and Sako who are still actually playing for them!
.
If they are spending that kind of money of transfer fees goodness knows what their wage bill is - but I bet it will make PdC's look tiny!
.
Its no wonder they are flying high and beating everyone - lets not forget they went to Brentford and Walsall in recent weeks and won by 3 goals too!
.
I can't believe after seeing us spend money we didn't have for the past few seasons which never resulted in promotion and nearly put us out of business - people still want us to try it again!
.
Plus others like Sheff U, Preston and Sh1tty this year show its not just money - as have others before them - how long did it take Leeds to go up?
.
The change in model is going to take time - that is not weeks or even months - so we need to judge it at the end of next season or the season after to see how it is developing
.
We currently have Wes, N.Thompson, L.Thompson, Luongo and Ranger on our books - who even Wolves would probably welcome into their star studded team
.
Plus we have had the opportunity to see Pritchard grace our pitch all season - you know a player who is a finalist in the FL Young Player of the Season - yet another Wolves were looking at!
.
Then you add in other good prospects like Kasim, Byrne and Belford and that is a massive first step to moving forward
.
Lets see who we are targetting and get in and judge the squad on that
.
Did anyone really think we would have built a promotion squad after having to literally start from scratch?
.
Least now we are not starting from scratch and can have a more "normal" pre-season rebuild
London you can give facts, figures and all the rest.
The simple win(hammering) was down to a manager who worked with ward before and he told them put decent balls behind ward and you've won the game. You don't need £1 million players to do that(yes it do help tho).
Sounds like cooper blamed dany again for this hammering. Saying when HE changed it only one side was on top. Sorry wolves changed it by strolling around second half by their demolishion in the first half.
Still think beating relegation still may not be achieved.
[quote][p][bold]London Red[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Davidsyrett[/bold] wrote: Last night was boys against men, Wolves oozed confidence and totally outclassed us in the first half, our defence was totally exposed as one having no pace. Ward and Branco must be replaced at the end of the season, and if Troy can only play one game a week at his age, we better off load him as well. The problem is that the midfield has no pace as well, or for that matter the forward(s), we are too easy to play against. If we are seriously looking for promotion next season, we have to be able to break with pace, just like Wolves last night., oh and of course defend. I don't see Cooper going anywhere, watching the FL show on Saturday night, it was a realistic appraisal of where the club are today, and in the scheme of things we've done OK this season., but if next season is to improve then LP is going to have to invest some of his money into the squad. Yes we've seen Yeovil & Orient have success on a shoestring budget, but they are the minority rather than the norm. All the big spenders (except City) are near the top, and I'm sure it will be the same next season.[/p][/quote]Lets get some perspective when comparing us to the best team in the league (and best team by a country mile and then some) . Wolves came straight from the Premiership to L1 are still receiving £14m a season in parachute payments - thats about 3 times out income alone before you add on their actual revenue! . They are not your typical L1 side and should not be our benchmark! Bit like us under McMahon where we won it with 95 points! . That money has flown into their squad - they have spent over £3m this season alone (McDonald £750k, Golbourne £750k, Clarke £750k, Jacobs £400k, Dicko £300k and Henry £250k) . Not to mention the Premiership players they still have on their books - Doyle and O'Hara plus Ricketts and Sako who are still actually playing for them! . If they are spending that kind of money of transfer fees goodness knows what their wage bill is - but I bet it will make PdC's look tiny! . Its no wonder they are flying high and beating everyone - lets not forget they went to Brentford and Walsall in recent weeks and won by 3 goals too! . I can't believe after seeing us spend money we didn't have for the past few seasons which never resulted in promotion and nearly put us out of business - people still want us to try it again! . Plus others like Sheff U, Preston and Sh1tty this year show its not just money - as have others before them - how long did it take Leeds to go up? . The change in model is going to take time - that is not weeks or even months - so we need to judge it at the end of next season or the season after to see how it is developing . We currently have Wes, N.Thompson, L.Thompson, Luongo and Ranger on our books - who even Wolves would probably welcome into their star studded team . Plus we have had the opportunity to see Pritchard grace our pitch all season - you know a player who is a finalist in the FL Young Player of the Season - yet another Wolves were looking at! . Then you add in other good prospects like Kasim, Byrne and Belford and that is a massive first step to moving forward . Lets see who we are targetting and get in and judge the squad on that . Did anyone really think we would have built a promotion squad after having to literally start from scratch? . Least now we are not starting from scratch and can have a more "normal" pre-season rebuild[/p][/quote]London you can give facts, figures and all the rest. The simple win(hammering) was down to a manager who worked with ward before and he told them put decent balls behind ward and you've won the game. You don't need £1 million players to do that(yes it do help tho). Sounds like cooper blamed dany again for this hammering. Saying when HE changed it only one side was on top. Sorry wolves changed it by strolling around second half by their demolishion in the first half. Still think beating relegation still may not be achieved. smirg kcab
  • Score: 4

2:54pm Wed 12 Mar 14

smirg kcab says...

Gloucester Red, Hucclecote wrote:
smirg kcab wrote:
Carnage at the county ground.
The score don't tell the story. We should have been 6 down at half time.
Lucky wolves strolled around in the second half to prevent a cricket score.
Still we are young and a work in progress with a great nucleus for next year without Pritchard and ranger.
3 day break to sort the tired tims out before another thrashing at city
Happy whining whinger....get a life pal.
Move to Cheltenham or swindon to educate yourself pal
[quote][p][bold]Gloucester Red, Hucclecote[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]smirg kcab[/bold] wrote: Carnage at the county ground. The score don't tell the story. We should have been 6 down at half time. Lucky wolves strolled around in the second half to prevent a cricket score. Still we are young and a work in progress with a great nucleus for next year without Pritchard and ranger. 3 day break to sort the tired tims out before another thrashing at city[/p][/quote]Happy whining whinger....get a life pal.[/p][/quote]Move to Cheltenham or swindon to educate yourself pal smirg kcab
  • Score: 0

2:59pm Wed 12 Mar 14

London Red says...

who am i wrote:
Try attending more than a couple of games LR then I might take your comments seriously. You want to watch this week in week out then you might change your tune. But then again you are LR.
I shouldn't need to justify myself to you or anyone and have and will attend the basically the same amount of games this year as I did last and the season before and in fact the decade before that
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That includes games coming up this season too - so yes I will be watching "this" and have done previously
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I'm not fickle when it comes to form or division - and will turn when I can - sorry but as much as I love STFC - it is not the most important thing in life and other things have to take priority
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My point is about taking a longer term view than just a short period in the season
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It's comments like thwe one quoted which stop your comments being taken seriously - maybe your name should be holier than you to match your stuck up attitude!
[quote][p][bold]who am i[/bold] wrote: Try attending more than a couple of games LR then I might take your comments seriously. You want to watch this week in week out then you might change your tune. But then again you are LR.[/p][/quote]I shouldn't need to justify myself to you or anyone and have and will attend the basically the same amount of games this year as I did last and the season before and in fact the decade before that . That includes games coming up this season too - so yes I will be watching "this" and have done previously . I'm not fickle when it comes to form or division - and will turn when I can - sorry but as much as I love STFC - it is not the most important thing in life and other things have to take priority . My point is about taking a longer term view than just a short period in the season . It's comments like thwe one quoted which stop your comments being taken seriously - maybe your name should be holier than you to match your stuck up attitude! London Red
  • Score: 0

3:06pm Wed 12 Mar 14

London Red says...

smirg kcab wrote:
London Red wrote:
Davidsyrett wrote: Last night was boys against men, Wolves oozed confidence and totally outclassed us in the first half, our defence was totally exposed as one having no pace. Ward and Branco must be replaced at the end of the season, and if Troy can only play one game a week at his age, we better off load him as well. The problem is that the midfield has no pace as well, or for that matter the forward(s), we are too easy to play against. If we are seriously looking for promotion next season, we have to be able to break with pace, just like Wolves last night., oh and of course defend. I don't see Cooper going anywhere, watching the FL show on Saturday night, it was a realistic appraisal of where the club are today, and in the scheme of things we've done OK this season., but if next season is to improve then LP is going to have to invest some of his money into the squad. Yes we've seen Yeovil & Orient have success on a shoestring budget, but they are the minority rather than the norm. All the big spenders (except City) are near the top, and I'm sure it will be the same next season.
Lets get some perspective when comparing us to the best team in the league (and best team by a country mile and then some) . Wolves came straight from the Premiership to L1 are still receiving £14m a season in parachute payments - thats about 3 times out income alone before you add on their actual revenue! . They are not your typical L1 side and should not be our benchmark! Bit like us under McMahon where we won it with 95 points! . That money has flown into their squad - they have spent over £3m this season alone (McDonald £750k, Golbourne £750k, Clarke £750k, Jacobs £400k, Dicko £300k and Henry £250k) . Not to mention the Premiership players they still have on their books - Doyle and O'Hara plus Ricketts and Sako who are still actually playing for them! . If they are spending that kind of money of transfer fees goodness knows what their wage bill is - but I bet it will make PdC's look tiny! . Its no wonder they are flying high and beating everyone - lets not forget they went to Brentford and Walsall in recent weeks and won by 3 goals too! . I can't believe after seeing us spend money we didn't have for the past few seasons which never resulted in promotion and nearly put us out of business - people still want us to try it again! . Plus others like Sheff U, Preston and Sh1tty this year show its not just money - as have others before them - how long did it take Leeds to go up? . The change in model is going to take time - that is not weeks or even months - so we need to judge it at the end of next season or the season after to see how it is developing . We currently have Wes, N.Thompson, L.Thompson, Luongo and Ranger on our books - who even Wolves would probably welcome into their star studded team . Plus we have had the opportunity to see Pritchard grace our pitch all season - you know a player who is a finalist in the FL Young Player of the Season - yet another Wolves were looking at! . Then you add in other good prospects like Kasim, Byrne and Belford and that is a massive first step to moving forward . Lets see who we are targetting and get in and judge the squad on that . Did anyone really think we would have built a promotion squad after having to literally start from scratch? . Least now we are not starting from scratch and can have a more "normal" pre-season rebuild
London you can give facts, figures and all the rest. The simple win(hammering) was down to a manager who worked with ward before and he told them put decent balls behind ward and you've won the game. You don't need £1 million players to do that(yes it do help tho). Sounds like cooper blamed dany again for this hammering. Saying when HE changed it only one side was on top. Sorry wolves changed it by strolling around second half by their demolishion in the first half. Still think beating relegation still may not be achieved.
So you are saying if N'guessan and Smith were up top for Wolves and we had Sako and Dicko - and if we had McDonald and them Harley - it would have still be 1-4 - as nothing to do with the players in each team - But 100% Cooper?
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Yes I do think we will beat relgation as we will pick up more points and the bottom 6 or 7 teams will not make up the gap we have on them - they have not picked up more than a point a game all season - while will they all start doing that now?
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Plus we still have Notts Co, Tranmere and Carlilse to play - so should we need anything else getting at least a point in each of them will secure safety
[quote][p][bold]smirg kcab[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]London Red[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Davidsyrett[/bold] wrote: Last night was boys against men, Wolves oozed confidence and totally outclassed us in the first half, our defence was totally exposed as one having no pace. Ward and Branco must be replaced at the end of the season, and if Troy can only play one game a week at his age, we better off load him as well. The problem is that the midfield has no pace as well, or for that matter the forward(s), we are too easy to play against. If we are seriously looking for promotion next season, we have to be able to break with pace, just like Wolves last night., oh and of course defend. I don't see Cooper going anywhere, watching the FL show on Saturday night, it was a realistic appraisal of where the club are today, and in the scheme of things we've done OK this season., but if next season is to improve then LP is going to have to invest some of his money into the squad. Yes we've seen Yeovil & Orient have success on a shoestring budget, but they are the minority rather than the norm. All the big spenders (except City) are near the top, and I'm sure it will be the same next season.[/p][/quote]Lets get some perspective when comparing us to the best team in the league (and best team by a country mile and then some) . Wolves came straight from the Premiership to L1 are still receiving £14m a season in parachute payments - thats about 3 times out income alone before you add on their actual revenue! . They are not your typical L1 side and should not be our benchmark! Bit like us under McMahon where we won it with 95 points! . That money has flown into their squad - they have spent over £3m this season alone (McDonald £750k, Golbourne £750k, Clarke £750k, Jacobs £400k, Dicko £300k and Henry £250k) . Not to mention the Premiership players they still have on their books - Doyle and O'Hara plus Ricketts and Sako who are still actually playing for them! . If they are spending that kind of money of transfer fees goodness knows what their wage bill is - but I bet it will make PdC's look tiny! . Its no wonder they are flying high and beating everyone - lets not forget they went to Brentford and Walsall in recent weeks and won by 3 goals too! . I can't believe after seeing us spend money we didn't have for the past few seasons which never resulted in promotion and nearly put us out of business - people still want us to try it again! . Plus others like Sheff U, Preston and Sh1tty this year show its not just money - as have others before them - how long did it take Leeds to go up? . The change in model is going to take time - that is not weeks or even months - so we need to judge it at the end of next season or the season after to see how it is developing . We currently have Wes, N.Thompson, L.Thompson, Luongo and Ranger on our books - who even Wolves would probably welcome into their star studded team . Plus we have had the opportunity to see Pritchard grace our pitch all season - you know a player who is a finalist in the FL Young Player of the Season - yet another Wolves were looking at! . Then you add in other good prospects like Kasim, Byrne and Belford and that is a massive first step to moving forward . Lets see who we are targetting and get in and judge the squad on that . Did anyone really think we would have built a promotion squad after having to literally start from scratch? . Least now we are not starting from scratch and can have a more "normal" pre-season rebuild[/p][/quote]London you can give facts, figures and all the rest. The simple win(hammering) was down to a manager who worked with ward before and he told them put decent balls behind ward and you've won the game. You don't need £1 million players to do that(yes it do help tho). Sounds like cooper blamed dany again for this hammering. Saying when HE changed it only one side was on top. Sorry wolves changed it by strolling around second half by their demolishion in the first half. Still think beating relegation still may not be achieved.[/p][/quote]So you are saying if N'guessan and Smith were up top for Wolves and we had Sako and Dicko - and if we had McDonald and them Harley - it would have still be 1-4 - as nothing to do with the players in each team - But 100% Cooper? . Yes I do think we will beat relgation as we will pick up more points and the bottom 6 or 7 teams will not make up the gap we have on them - they have not picked up more than a point a game all season - while will they all start doing that now? . Plus we still have Notts Co, Tranmere and Carlilse to play - so should we need anything else getting at least a point in each of them will secure safety London Red
  • Score: 1

3:11pm Wed 12 Mar 14

London Red says...

Davidsyrett wrote:
London Red wrote:
Davidsyrett wrote: Last night was boys against men, Wolves oozed confidence and totally outclassed us in the first half, our defence was totally exposed as one having no pace. Ward and Branco must be replaced at the end of the season, and if Troy can only play one game a week at his age, we better off load him as well. The problem is that the midfield has no pace as well, or for that matter the forward(s), we are too easy to play against. If we are seriously looking for promotion next season, we have to be able to break with pace, just like Wolves last night., oh and of course defend. I don't see Cooper going anywhere, watching the FL show on Saturday night, it was a realistic appraisal of where the club are today, and in the scheme of things we've done OK this season., but if next season is to improve then LP is going to have to invest some of his money into the squad. Yes we've seen Yeovil & Orient have success on a shoestring budget, but they are the minority rather than the norm. All the big spenders (except City) are near the top, and I'm sure it will be the same next season.
Lets get some perspective when comparing us to the best team in the league (and best team by a country mile and then some) . Wolves came straight from the Premiership to L1 are still receiving £14m a season in parachute payments - thats about 3 times out income alone before you add on their actual revenue! . They are not your typical L1 side and should not be our benchmark! Bit like us under McMahon where we won it with 95 points! . That money has flown into their squad - they have spent over £3m this season alone (McDonald £750k, Golbourne £750k, Clarke £750k, Jacobs £400k, Dicko £300k and Henry £250k) . Not to mention the Premiership players they still have on their books - Doyle and O'Hara plus Ricketts and Sako who are still actually playing for them! . If they are spending that kind of money of transfer fees goodness knows what their wage bill is - but I bet it will make PdC's look tiny! . Its no wonder they are flying high and beating everyone - lets not forget they went to Brentford and Walsall in recent weeks and won by 3 goals too! . I can't believe after seeing us spend money we didn't have for the past few seasons which never resulted in promotion and nearly put us out of business - people still want us to try it again! . Plus others like Sheff U, Preston and Sh1tty this year show its not just money - as have others before them - how long did it take Leeds to go up? . The change in model is going to take time - that is not weeks or even months - so we need to judge it at the end of next season or the season after to see how it is developing . We currently have Wes, N.Thompson, L.Thompson, Luongo and Ranger on our books - who even Wolves would probably welcome into their star studded team . Plus we have had the opportunity to see Pritchard grace our pitch all season - you know a player who is a finalist in the FL Young Player of the Season - yet another Wolves were looking at! . Then you add in other good prospects like Kasim, Byrne and Belford and that is a massive first step to moving forward . Lets see who we are targetting and get in and judge the squad on that . Did anyone really think we would have built a promotion squad after having to literally start from scratch? . Least now we are not starting from scratch and can have a more "normal" pre-season rebuild
LR, Where you there last night? The first half was embarrassing, Wolves were classy, but our lack of pace all over the pitch gave them free reign to do what they wanted, this wasn't just about the ability of our players, it was more about trying to catch them up. Ward and Branco looked like Carthorses!! I'm certainly not advocating going back to the previous regime's ridiculous spending, but LP will have to invest money in players if he really wants us to be in contention next season for promotion. It's all well and good saying give these players a few more season's but if they keep on improving and we don't get promotion, they will move on to bigger clubs, contract or no contract . Yes, we have a core of 5 or 6 players that could grace a promotion winning team, (Ranger would be a massive plus if he stays) Troy would also be great if his injury problems are well and truly over, but we will need at least 1 Experienced quick CB, a CF with pace, and a couple midfielders/wingers who can take players on and beat them, something that has been sadly missing recently. The problem with loan players from bigger clubs, is that for the most part, it's written into their contract that they have to play, what we need is a bit of experience next season, not another season of blooding youngsters. I'm quite contented with what we have achieved this season, but we need to step up next season if we are really to move forward.
Not last night as there was no way I could get out of work and over to Swindon for the game
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When referinf to Wolves - I was looking at them as a whole not just last night and saying pitching our transition squad against the best in the league by a mile is not really a fair comparison
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Brentford are the next best side and they got beaten 3-0 at home by Wolves only a few weeks back! That just shows how good they are
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Yes we need to step up next year - I have never said we don't
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I just think the platform to do that is far superior this year than it was last year
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Unlike lots on here - I'm prepared to see what happens over the summer and how next year pans out before judging it now!
[quote][p][bold]Davidsyrett[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]London Red[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Davidsyrett[/bold] wrote: Last night was boys against men, Wolves oozed confidence and totally outclassed us in the first half, our defence was totally exposed as one having no pace. Ward and Branco must be replaced at the end of the season, and if Troy can only play one game a week at his age, we better off load him as well. The problem is that the midfield has no pace as well, or for that matter the forward(s), we are too easy to play against. If we are seriously looking for promotion next season, we have to be able to break with pace, just like Wolves last night., oh and of course defend. I don't see Cooper going anywhere, watching the FL show on Saturday night, it was a realistic appraisal of where the club are today, and in the scheme of things we've done OK this season., but if next season is to improve then LP is going to have to invest some of his money into the squad. Yes we've seen Yeovil & Orient have success on a shoestring budget, but they are the minority rather than the norm. All the big spenders (except City) are near the top, and I'm sure it will be the same next season.[/p][/quote]Lets get some perspective when comparing us to the best team in the league (and best team by a country mile and then some) . Wolves came straight from the Premiership to L1 are still receiving £14m a season in parachute payments - thats about 3 times out income alone before you add on their actual revenue! . They are not your typical L1 side and should not be our benchmark! Bit like us under McMahon where we won it with 95 points! . That money has flown into their squad - they have spent over £3m this season alone (McDonald £750k, Golbourne £750k, Clarke £750k, Jacobs £400k, Dicko £300k and Henry £250k) . Not to mention the Premiership players they still have on their books - Doyle and O'Hara plus Ricketts and Sako who are still actually playing for them! . If they are spending that kind of money of transfer fees goodness knows what their wage bill is - but I bet it will make PdC's look tiny! . Its no wonder they are flying high and beating everyone - lets not forget they went to Brentford and Walsall in recent weeks and won by 3 goals too! . I can't believe after seeing us spend money we didn't have for the past few seasons which never resulted in promotion and nearly put us out of business - people still want us to try it again! . Plus others like Sheff U, Preston and Sh1tty this year show its not just money - as have others before them - how long did it take Leeds to go up? . The change in model is going to take time - that is not weeks or even months - so we need to judge it at the end of next season or the season after to see how it is developing . We currently have Wes, N.Thompson, L.Thompson, Luongo and Ranger on our books - who even Wolves would probably welcome into their star studded team . Plus we have had the opportunity to see Pritchard grace our pitch all season - you know a player who is a finalist in the FL Young Player of the Season - yet another Wolves were looking at! . Then you add in other good prospects like Kasim, Byrne and Belford and that is a massive first step to moving forward . Lets see who we are targetting and get in and judge the squad on that . Did anyone really think we would have built a promotion squad after having to literally start from scratch? . Least now we are not starting from scratch and can have a more "normal" pre-season rebuild[/p][/quote]LR, Where you there last night? The first half was embarrassing, Wolves were classy, but our lack of pace all over the pitch gave them free reign to do what they wanted, this wasn't just about the ability of our players, it was more about trying to catch them up. Ward and Branco looked like Carthorses!! I'm certainly not advocating going back to the previous regime's ridiculous spending, but LP will have to invest money in players if he really wants us to be in contention next season for promotion. It's all well and good saying give these players a few more season's but if they keep on improving and we don't get promotion, they will move on to bigger clubs, contract or no contract . Yes, we have a core of 5 or 6 players that could grace a promotion winning team, (Ranger would be a massive plus if he stays) Troy would also be great if his injury problems are well and truly over, but we will need at least 1 Experienced quick CB, a CF with pace, and a couple midfielders/wingers who can take players on and beat them, something that has been sadly missing recently. The problem with loan players from bigger clubs, is that for the most part, it's written into their contract that they have to play, what we need is a bit of experience next season, not another season of blooding youngsters. I'm quite contented with what we have achieved this season, but we need to step up next season if we are really to move forward.[/p][/quote]Not last night as there was no way I could get out of work and over to Swindon for the game . When referinf to Wolves - I was looking at them as a whole not just last night and saying pitching our transition squad against the best in the league by a mile is not really a fair comparison . Brentford are the next best side and they got beaten 3-0 at home by Wolves only a few weeks back! That just shows how good they are . Yes we need to step up next year - I have never said we don't . I just think the platform to do that is far superior this year than it was last year . Unlike lots on here - I'm prepared to see what happens over the summer and how next year pans out before judging it now! London Red
  • Score: 1

3:17pm Wed 12 Mar 14

London Red says...

Oi Den! wrote:
The problem is as plain as it could possibly be. We have too many midfield players of the same ilk - slow, lightweight and unathletic. They hardly got near the ball until Wolves decided to conserve their energy and surrender two thirds of the pitch to us in the second half. If we stay up we'll have had an acceptable season, but it's time to stop the kidology about a work in progress. This is not a work in progress because we are not making any progress. Power has made exactly the same mistakes PDC made when he first arrived. They both overlooked the fact that lower division football requires solid grafters first and twinkle toed footballers second. The penny dropped for PDC eventually. Let's hope it's dropping for Power. Belford looks a reasonable keeper for this level. Although I'm a fan of Foderingham, I think we should cash in on him and use the money for proper rebuilding, as opposed to the makeshift job that was done for this season. It would be great to see Ranger stay and become a professional footballer but that seems unlikely so best to draw a line under his time too. We need to build a hardworking united squad. If we're going to haul ourselves off the floor (we're definitely on it now) there's going to be no room for non-team players. Strange how Leon Clarke received so much abuse (more again last night) for one row with The Great Dictator and yet Ranger is almost untouchable in the eyes of some. Clarke showed us again what ba fine player he is, ably assisted by our non-tackling players of course.
Den - you keep assuming that everything which has happened this year is set in stone and we will not change at all ever
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How do you know what Power's plans are for the summer recruitment charge?
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Do you know he is not already looking at addressing the balance in midfield?
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Do you know he is not going to add pace at the back we are missing?
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Do you know he won't hand pick a few older more experienced heads to guide the youngsters around them?
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Why can't you open your mind to the possibility that this year squad wad built with one hand tied behind the back due to all the legacy costs and left over deadwood
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This summer may be totally different once that is gone - so shouldn't we judge next years squad next year and not now?
[quote][p][bold]Oi Den![/bold] wrote: The problem is as plain as it could possibly be. We have too many midfield players of the same ilk - slow, lightweight and unathletic. They hardly got near the ball until Wolves decided to conserve their energy and surrender two thirds of the pitch to us in the second half. If we stay up we'll have had an acceptable season, but it's time to stop the kidology about a work in progress. This is not a work in progress because we are not making any progress. Power has made exactly the same mistakes PDC made when he first arrived. They both overlooked the fact that lower division football requires solid grafters first and twinkle toed footballers second. The penny dropped for PDC eventually. Let's hope it's dropping for Power. Belford looks a reasonable keeper for this level. Although I'm a fan of Foderingham, I think we should cash in on him and use the money for proper rebuilding, as opposed to the makeshift job that was done for this season. It would be great to see Ranger stay and become a professional footballer but that seems unlikely so best to draw a line under his time too. We need to build a hardworking united squad. If we're going to haul ourselves off the floor (we're definitely on it now) there's going to be no room for non-team players. Strange how Leon Clarke received so much abuse (more again last night) for one row with The Great Dictator and yet Ranger is almost untouchable in the eyes of some. Clarke showed us again what ba fine player he is, ably assisted by our non-tackling players of course.[/p][/quote]Den - you keep assuming that everything which has happened this year is set in stone and we will not change at all ever . How do you know what Power's plans are for the summer recruitment charge? . Do you know he is not already looking at addressing the balance in midfield? . Do you know he is not going to add pace at the back we are missing? . Do you know he won't hand pick a few older more experienced heads to guide the youngsters around them? . Why can't you open your mind to the possibility that this year squad wad built with one hand tied behind the back due to all the legacy costs and left over deadwood . This summer may be totally different once that is gone - so shouldn't we judge next years squad next year and not now? London Red
  • Score: 1

3:19pm Wed 12 Mar 14

Oi Den! says...

London Red wrote:
jacksdad1 wrote:
London Red wrote:
Davidsyrett wrote: Last night was boys against men, Wolves oozed confidence and totally outclassed us in the first half, our defence was totally exposed as one having no pace. Ward and Branco must be replaced at the end of the season, and if Troy can only play one game a week at his age, we better off load him as well. The problem is that the midfield has no pace as well, or for that matter the forward(s), we are too easy to play against. If we are seriously looking for promotion next season, we have to be able to break with pace, just like Wolves last night., oh and of course defend. I don't see Cooper going anywhere, watching the FL show on Saturday night, it was a realistic appraisal of where the club are today, and in the scheme of things we've done OK this season., but if next season is to improve then LP is going to have to invest some of his money into the squad. Yes we've seen Yeovil & Orient have success on a shoestring budget, but they are the minority rather than the norm. All the big spenders (except City) are near the top, and I'm sure it will be the same next season.
Lets get some perspective when comparing us to the best team in the league (and best team by a country mile and then some) . Wolves came straight from the Premiership to L1 are still receiving £14m a season in parachute payments - thats about 3 times out income alone before you add on their actual revenue! . They are not your typical L1 side and should not be our benchmark! Bit like us under McMahon where we won it with 95 points! . That money has flown into their squad - they have spent over £3m this season alone (McDonald £750k, Golbourne £750k, Clarke £750k, Jacobs £400k, Dicko £300k and Henry £250k) . Not to mention the Premiership players they still have on their books - Doyle and O'Hara plus Ricketts and Sako who are still actually playing for them! . If they are spending that kind of money of transfer fees goodness knows what their wage bill is - but I bet it will make PdC's look tiny! . Its no wonder they are flying high and beating everyone - lets not forget they went to Brentford and Walsall in recent weeks and won by 3 goals too! . I can't believe after seeing us spend money we didn't have for the past few seasons which never resulted in promotion and nearly put us out of business - people still want us to try it again! . Plus others like Sheff U, Preston and Sh1tty this year show its not just money - as have others before them - how long did it take Leeds to go up? . The change in model is going to take time - that is not weeks or even months - so we need to judge it at the end of next season or the season after to see how it is developing . We currently have Wes, N.Thompson, L.Thompson, Luongo and Ranger on our books - who even Wolves would probably welcome into their star studded team . Plus we have had the opportunity to see Pritchard grace our pitch all season - you know a player who is a finalist in the FL Young Player of the Season - yet another Wolves were looking at! . Then you add in other good prospects like Kasim, Byrne and Belford and that is a massive first step to moving forward . Lets see who we are targetting and get in and judge the squad on that . Did anyone really think we would have built a promotion squad after having to literally start from scratch? . Least now we are not starting from scratch and can have a more "normal" pre-season rebuild
Hmm promotion from League 2 didn't happen then.......spending money we didn't have so Mr Black wasn't backing the club ? Yes as with many businesses if the backer pulls out then get into trouble. Anyway the "mighty Wolves" is not in dispute its the attitude, professionalism and leadership of STFC or lack of it that is under question. Not seeing a ringing endorsement from the fans either with a v low turnout last night for such high profile game.
Where did I say promotion from L2 didn't happen?
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L2 and L1 are totally different and its easier to buy your way out of L2!
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The fact our L1 team under PdC barely looked like our L2 one shows what he thought of the team he "built"
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The point about Leeds, Sheff U and Preston et al shows it is very very very hard to simply buy your way out of L1
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Like I said we should know as we had tried it numerous times under the prevous regime and fallen short each time!
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Yes we were clearly spending money we didn't have !
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It was Black's money - so fine while he was prepared to spend it on us - but when he stopped we were totally up sh1te creak and facing administration until we sold one of the finest talents outside the Premiership for peanuts just to survive the season!
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We are only surviving now due to one man pumping almost £1m in to cover the left over wages we can not afford from that regime - yet all he gets is total abuse
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So yes we clearly were spending money we didn't have and still don't have!
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That is why Power is doing what he is doing so STFC survives full stop by living within its means
Absolute rubbish, LR. "... all he gets is total abuse".

There may be one or two posters on here who have no time for Power but they are in a very small minority. For my part, I'm very pleased that he eventually wrested complete control from McCrory. We are in better hands now than we were under him. That doesn't mean Power's above criticism though. As paying supporters, we are entitled to voice our constructive opinion. Ask Power which he would prefer - people who commit their support to the club and have their say or people who can't be bothered to attend games and never say a word against the club.
[quote][p][bold]London Red[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]jacksdad1[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]London Red[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Davidsyrett[/bold] wrote: Last night was boys against men, Wolves oozed confidence and totally outclassed us in the first half, our defence was totally exposed as one having no pace. Ward and Branco must be replaced at the end of the season, and if Troy can only play one game a week at his age, we better off load him as well. The problem is that the midfield has no pace as well, or for that matter the forward(s), we are too easy to play against. If we are seriously looking for promotion next season, we have to be able to break with pace, just like Wolves last night., oh and of course defend. I don't see Cooper going anywhere, watching the FL show on Saturday night, it was a realistic appraisal of where the club are today, and in the scheme of things we've done OK this season., but if next season is to improve then LP is going to have to invest some of his money into the squad. Yes we've seen Yeovil & Orient have success on a shoestring budget, but they are the minority rather than the norm. All the big spenders (except City) are near the top, and I'm sure it will be the same next season.[/p][/quote]Lets get some perspective when comparing us to the best team in the league (and best team by a country mile and then some) . Wolves came straight from the Premiership to L1 are still receiving £14m a season in parachute payments - thats about 3 times out income alone before you add on their actual revenue! . They are not your typical L1 side and should not be our benchmark! Bit like us under McMahon where we won it with 95 points! . That money has flown into their squad - they have spent over £3m this season alone (McDonald £750k, Golbourne £750k, Clarke £750k, Jacobs £400k, Dicko £300k and Henry £250k) . Not to mention the Premiership players they still have on their books - Doyle and O'Hara plus Ricketts and Sako who are still actually playing for them! . If they are spending that kind of money of transfer fees goodness knows what their wage bill is - but I bet it will make PdC's look tiny! . Its no wonder they are flying high and beating everyone - lets not forget they went to Brentford and Walsall in recent weeks and won by 3 goals too! . I can't believe after seeing us spend money we didn't have for the past few seasons which never resulted in promotion and nearly put us out of business - people still want us to try it again! . Plus others like Sheff U, Preston and Sh1tty this year show its not just money - as have others before them - how long did it take Leeds to go up? . The change in model is going to take time - that is not weeks or even months - so we need to judge it at the end of next season or the season after to see how it is developing . We currently have Wes, N.Thompson, L.Thompson, Luongo and Ranger on our books - who even Wolves would probably welcome into their star studded team . Plus we have had the opportunity to see Pritchard grace our pitch all season - you know a player who is a finalist in the FL Young Player of the Season - yet another Wolves were looking at! . Then you add in other good prospects like Kasim, Byrne and Belford and that is a massive first step to moving forward . Lets see who we are targetting and get in and judge the squad on that . Did anyone really think we would have built a promotion squad after having to literally start from scratch? . Least now we are not starting from scratch and can have a more "normal" pre-season rebuild[/p][/quote]Hmm promotion from League 2 didn't happen then.......spending money we didn't have so Mr Black wasn't backing the club ? Yes as with many businesses if the backer pulls out then get into trouble. Anyway the "mighty Wolves" is not in dispute its the attitude, professionalism and leadership of STFC or lack of it that is under question. Not seeing a ringing endorsement from the fans either with a v low turnout last night for such high profile game.[/p][/quote]Where did I say promotion from L2 didn't happen? . L2 and L1 are totally different and its easier to buy your way out of L2! . The fact our L1 team under PdC barely looked like our L2 one shows what he thought of the team he "built" . The point about Leeds, Sheff U and Preston et al shows it is very very very hard to simply buy your way out of L1 . Like I said we should know as we had tried it numerous times under the prevous regime and fallen short each time! . Yes we were clearly spending money we didn't have ! . It was Black's money - so fine while he was prepared to spend it on us - but when he stopped we were totally up sh1te creak and facing administration until we sold one of the finest talents outside the Premiership for peanuts just to survive the season! . We are only surviving now due to one man pumping almost £1m in to cover the left over wages we can not afford from that regime - yet all he gets is total abuse . So yes we clearly were spending money we didn't have and still don't have! . That is why Power is doing what he is doing so STFC survives full stop by living within its means[/p][/quote]Absolute rubbish, LR. "... all he gets is total abuse". There may be one or two posters on here who have no time for Power but they are in a very small minority. For my part, I'm very pleased that he eventually wrested complete control from McCrory. We are in better hands now than we were under him. That doesn't mean Power's above criticism though. As paying supporters, we are entitled to voice our constructive opinion. Ask Power which he would prefer - people who commit their support to the club and have their say or people who can't be bothered to attend games and never say a word against the club. Oi Den!
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3:24pm Wed 12 Mar 14

the wizard says...

grove red wrote:
the wizard wrote:
oncearedalwaysared wrote:
Until last night I have never criticised Mark Cooper and have been prepared to support the cause but last night was nothing short of an abject disaster, and everyone in the ground knew what was coming. No shape, no desire, no running off the ball, no closing down of the opposition. All these are basics for any half decent side, and we had none of them.

Kenny Jackett must have been laughing all the way back to Birmingham because this must have been the easiest win of their season. Any one of us could have given the Wolves team talk - run at their defence, it will crumble, and boy did we!!

Ward seemed to be wandering around aimlessly all night, not vocal, not revving up the team, just hopelessly outclassed and outrun by a better team. Our midfielders failed to spot any of the superb runs by McEveley or Barthram when he came on, too intent on keeping possession in midfield to allow the opposition to get 10 men behind the ball. THey never looked up, had no vision and no desire to drive forward. Even when we did, and we scored, we soon reverted to the old format.

Sometimes you do have to admit to having been beaten by the better team, we were, but what I can't accept is Cooper coming out with the drivel after the match. We weren't impressive in the second half Mark, we were allowed to keep the ball because Wolves didn't need it any more, they had already done enough. All the second half proved was that our forward line is as ineffective as our defence when under pressure.

This is almost the same team that was terrorising other teams earlier in the season, the difference is tactics, and that is down to the manager. Tippy tappy sideways football does not win matches.

For the first time this season, I am sorry, but I am now willing to join the group that suggests Cooper has run his course. I know there won't be many alternatives out there, but unless Power starts looking for his replacement now we will be in a relegation fight this time next year, if not already relegated due to having so few points we won't be mathematically able to get out of it.

Shut the door on your way our Cooper, something our defence is incapable of doing.
A very true and reflective post. Full of heart and passion may I add.

Well some may come on here with their stats, the truth is the S/T head count has to be tied into the attendance figures as that seat has been bought for the game. Last evening and this morning I have spoken to six S/T holders who didn't go and they in turn related to others who also didn't go..

I'd really like SAM to find out what the actual count was. If there where no queues for drinks at half time on a chilly evening that usually equates down to around 4, 500/5000 or less.

I share your love for the club, 56 years supporting them, as yes we are entitled to get racked off when its going like this. Very surprised that there aren't louder chants for Cooper out, but there is nobody obvious to take over. I am becoming fearful of the next few weeks and where they may take us, and next season already looks like its going to be hard work, but that depends on who is manager.
Funny how at the start of the season when we had direction and desire Cooper never mention that we were work in progress and a young team still finding its way. I politely suggest he has lost his mojo.

When Fitton (bless him) spent time out of the country things went haywire at CG and the team lost its way like it has now, It was only when he was here that things picked up. Power being away for long periods due to his taxation embargo doesn't help either I'm sure. Just an observation.
I know 5 season ticket holders who did not go last night.
The thing is LR, we have all wished the best for our team for many years, that is without question. Many of us have admitted to the fact that we have fallen on swords wishing for this and that, all positive elements, but those elements have all failed. I put trust in Hart and others including MacDonald, only to see them fail.

Only the other week you were rattling your abacus beads around attendance, but we all know the official attendance is much more than the actual on the day as many S/T's for one reason or another don't attend. But please tell me this, on your abacus do you have rows of beads that count, energy, movement, skill, passion, commitment and pure hard work and will to win shown by the players, ah...... thought not, because this is what many are trying to put across, and most are not having a go at Power, most are trying to tell him to wise up as Cooper has gone passed his use-by date. You can massage your figures which ever way you want, but the eyes of many tell them dross when its served up, and that is what is has been for weeks now, more of a habit than under laying trend. The game on Saturday told me enough of what last night was going to offer and my post under the Jackett and Wolves thread was a far better prediction than what your figures have ever predicted. Not looking to fall out but figures only show one side of the equation, the answer will be the final league table, and that is what is worrying a lot right now. Seen it and been there before, sadly, the R word is forbidden, but its being whispered by far too many to ignore. Just when you think you are safe it pops up and bites yer aris and then it don't let go.
[quote][p][bold]grove red[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]the wizard[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]oncearedalwaysared[/bold] wrote: Until last night I have never criticised Mark Cooper and have been prepared to support the cause but last night was nothing short of an abject disaster, and everyone in the ground knew what was coming. No shape, no desire, no running off the ball, no closing down of the opposition. All these are basics for any half decent side, and we had none of them. Kenny Jackett must have been laughing all the way back to Birmingham because this must have been the easiest win of their season. Any one of us could have given the Wolves team talk - run at their defence, it will crumble, and boy did we!! Ward seemed to be wandering around aimlessly all night, not vocal, not revving up the team, just hopelessly outclassed and outrun by a better team. Our midfielders failed to spot any of the superb runs by McEveley or Barthram when he came on, too intent on keeping possession in midfield to allow the opposition to get 10 men behind the ball. THey never looked up, had no vision and no desire to drive forward. Even when we did, and we scored, we soon reverted to the old format. Sometimes you do have to admit to having been beaten by the better team, we were, but what I can't accept is Cooper coming out with the drivel after the match. We weren't impressive in the second half Mark, we were allowed to keep the ball because Wolves didn't need it any more, they had already done enough. All the second half proved was that our forward line is as ineffective as our defence when under pressure. This is almost the same team that was terrorising other teams earlier in the season, the difference is tactics, and that is down to the manager. Tippy tappy sideways football does not win matches. For the first time this season, I am sorry, but I am now willing to join the group that suggests Cooper has run his course. I know there won't be many alternatives out there, but unless Power starts looking for his replacement now we will be in a relegation fight this time next year, if not already relegated due to having so few points we won't be mathematically able to get out of it. Shut the door on your way our Cooper, something our defence is incapable of doing.[/p][/quote]A very true and reflective post. Full of heart and passion may I add. Well some may come on here with their stats, the truth is the S/T head count has to be tied into the attendance figures as that seat has been bought for the game. Last evening and this morning I have spoken to six S/T holders who didn't go and they in turn related to others who also didn't go.. I'd really like SAM to find out what the actual count was. If there where no queues for drinks at half time on a chilly evening that usually equates down to around 4, 500/5000 or less. I share your love for the club, 56 years supporting them, as yes we are entitled to get racked off when its going like this. Very surprised that there aren't louder chants for Cooper out, but there is nobody obvious to take over. I am becoming fearful of the next few weeks and where they may take us, and next season already looks like its going to be hard work, but that depends on who is manager. Funny how at the start of the season when we had direction and desire Cooper never mention that we were work in progress and a young team still finding its way. I politely suggest he has lost his mojo. When Fitton (bless him) spent time out of the country things went haywire at CG and the team lost its way like it has now, It was only when he was here that things picked up. Power being away for long periods due to his taxation embargo doesn't help either I'm sure. Just an observation.[/p][/quote]I know 5 season ticket holders who did not go last night.[/p][/quote]The thing is LR, we have all wished the best for our team for many years, that is without question. Many of us have admitted to the fact that we have fallen on swords wishing for this and that, all positive elements, but those elements have all failed. I put trust in Hart and others including MacDonald, only to see them fail. Only the other week you were rattling your abacus beads around attendance, but we all know the official attendance is much more than the actual on the day as many S/T's for one reason or another don't attend. But please tell me this, on your abacus do you have rows of beads that count, energy, movement, skill, passion, commitment and pure hard work and will to win shown by the players, ah...... thought not, because this is what many are trying to put across, and most are not having a go at Power, most are trying to tell him to wise up as Cooper has gone passed his use-by date. You can massage your figures which ever way you want, but the eyes of many tell them dross when its served up, and that is what is has been for weeks now, more of a habit than under laying trend. The game on Saturday told me enough of what last night was going to offer and my post under the Jackett and Wolves thread was a far better prediction than what your figures have ever predicted. Not looking to fall out but figures only show one side of the equation, the answer will be the final league table, and that is what is worrying a lot right now. Seen it and been there before, sadly, the R word is forbidden, but its being whispered by far too many to ignore. Just when you think you are safe it pops up and bites yer aris and then it don't let go. the wizard
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3:25pm Wed 12 Mar 14

lifelong red says...

No knee jerk reactions or rash predictions from me. On last nights game, well wolves were big- physical - and had pace to burn , also brimming with confidence on the back of 8 wins on the bounce , and ruthlessly set about exploiting the weakness in the centre of our defence . At H.T. I must admit I was fearing a cricket score . But credit to the lads on their 2nd half performance , some will say wolves took their foot off the gas - not in my view- I thought we showed spirit and character - Smith took his goal well- screwing the ball in from a tight angle., and how unlucky Jay was with that effort hitting the post - if that had gone in, - then 3-2 - game on - and the impossible could of become possible , but it was not to be . I think what we all need now is a few morale boosting wins to not only lift the confidence and belief in the team but the fans also.
No knee jerk reactions or rash predictions from me. On last nights game, well wolves were big- physical - and had pace to burn , also brimming with confidence on the back of 8 wins on the bounce , and ruthlessly set about exploiting the weakness in the centre of our defence . At H.T. I must admit I was fearing a cricket score . But credit to the lads on their 2nd half performance , some will say wolves took their foot off the gas - not in my view- I thought we showed spirit and character - Smith took his goal well- screwing the ball in from a tight angle., and how unlucky Jay was with that effort hitting the post - if that had gone in, - then 3-2 - game on - and the impossible could of become possible , but it was not to be . I think what we all need now is a few morale boosting wins to not only lift the confidence and belief in the team but the fans also. lifelong red
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3:30pm Wed 12 Mar 14

Oi Den! says...

London Red wrote:
Oi Den! wrote:
The problem is as plain as it could possibly be. We have too many midfield players of the same ilk - slow, lightweight and unathletic. They hardly got near the ball until Wolves decided to conserve their energy and surrender two thirds of the pitch to us in the second half. If we stay up we'll have had an acceptable season, but it's time to stop the kidology about a work in progress. This is not a work in progress because we are not making any progress. Power has made exactly the same mistakes PDC made when he first arrived. They both overlooked the fact that lower division football requires solid grafters first and twinkle toed footballers second. The penny dropped for PDC eventually. Let's hope it's dropping for Power. Belford looks a reasonable keeper for this level. Although I'm a fan of Foderingham, I think we should cash in on him and use the money for proper rebuilding, as opposed to the makeshift job that was done for this season. It would be great to see Ranger stay and become a professional footballer but that seems unlikely so best to draw a line under his time too. We need to build a hardworking united squad. If we're going to haul ourselves off the floor (we're definitely on it now) there's going to be no room for non-team players. Strange how Leon Clarke received so much abuse (more again last night) for one row with The Great Dictator and yet Ranger is almost untouchable in the eyes of some. Clarke showed us again what ba fine player he is, ably assisted by our non-tackling players of course.
Den - you keep assuming that everything which has happened this year is set in stone and we will not change at all ever
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How do you know what Power's plans are for the summer recruitment charge?
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Do you know he is not already looking at addressing the balance in midfield?
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Do you know he is not going to add pace at the back we are missing?
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Do you know he won't hand pick a few older more experienced heads to guide the youngsters around them?
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Why can't you open your mind to the possibility that this year squad wad built with one hand tied behind the back due to all the legacy costs and left over deadwood
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This summer may be totally different once that is gone - so shouldn't we judge next years squad next year and not now?
I do accept all that LR, and I am not judging the future. I just think Power has gone about things the wrong way. Somehow Cooper has managed to get this squad to a relatively safe position in the table. It could have been much worse. I don't think he gets enough credit for that. I don't assume Power is not intending to address the problems either but he has put Cooper in a very difficult position with these players and it's Cooper that has to stand on the front line and take the flak for an inadequate squad.
[quote][p][bold]London Red[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Oi Den![/bold] wrote: The problem is as plain as it could possibly be. We have too many midfield players of the same ilk - slow, lightweight and unathletic. They hardly got near the ball until Wolves decided to conserve their energy and surrender two thirds of the pitch to us in the second half. If we stay up we'll have had an acceptable season, but it's time to stop the kidology about a work in progress. This is not a work in progress because we are not making any progress. Power has made exactly the same mistakes PDC made when he first arrived. They both overlooked the fact that lower division football requires solid grafters first and twinkle toed footballers second. The penny dropped for PDC eventually. Let's hope it's dropping for Power. Belford looks a reasonable keeper for this level. Although I'm a fan of Foderingham, I think we should cash in on him and use the money for proper rebuilding, as opposed to the makeshift job that was done for this season. It would be great to see Ranger stay and become a professional footballer but that seems unlikely so best to draw a line under his time too. We need to build a hardworking united squad. If we're going to haul ourselves off the floor (we're definitely on it now) there's going to be no room for non-team players. Strange how Leon Clarke received so much abuse (more again last night) for one row with The Great Dictator and yet Ranger is almost untouchable in the eyes of some. Clarke showed us again what ba fine player he is, ably assisted by our non-tackling players of course.[/p][/quote]Den - you keep assuming that everything which has happened this year is set in stone and we will not change at all ever . How do you know what Power's plans are for the summer recruitment charge? . Do you know he is not already looking at addressing the balance in midfield? . Do you know he is not going to add pace at the back we are missing? . Do you know he won't hand pick a few older more experienced heads to guide the youngsters around them? . Why can't you open your mind to the possibility that this year squad wad built with one hand tied behind the back due to all the legacy costs and left over deadwood . This summer may be totally different once that is gone - so shouldn't we judge next years squad next year and not now?[/p][/quote]I do accept all that LR, and I am not judging the future. I just think Power has gone about things the wrong way. Somehow Cooper has managed to get this squad to a relatively safe position in the table. It could have been much worse. I don't think he gets enough credit for that. I don't assume Power is not intending to address the problems either but he has put Cooper in a very difficult position with these players and it's Cooper that has to stand on the front line and take the flak for an inadequate squad. Oi Den!
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3:40pm Wed 12 Mar 14

Oi Den! says...

LeGod wrote:
Oi-Den - Leon Clarke got stick because of his reaction to when he scored against us playing for Coventry as before he went along the Arkells stand rubbing our noses in it no one gave him any stick so if you were at the Coventry game you would have know that and last night was a follow on from that.
I've heard as a bloke he is a total K*** but you cant deny him that he is a good player and his goal scoring proves that.
I was at the Coventry game. I thought his wind-up was funny. Football has become far too sensitive about things like that. He would have been well aware that many Town fans called him all the names under the sun after his storm in a teacup with Di Canio, so giving a bit back was perfectly understandable. Clarke may well be a kn0b but he worked hard in his short time with us and we lost out on a player who would have set that division alight for us - all because of PDC's uncontrollable ego.
[quote][p][bold]LeGod[/bold] wrote: Oi-Den - Leon Clarke got stick because of his reaction to when he scored against us playing for Coventry as before he went along the Arkells stand rubbing our noses in it no one gave him any stick so if you were at the Coventry game you would have know that and last night was a follow on from that. I've heard as a bloke he is a total K*** but you cant deny him that he is a good player and his goal scoring proves that.[/p][/quote]I was at the Coventry game. I thought his wind-up was funny. Football has become far too sensitive about things like that. He would have been well aware that many Town fans called him all the names under the sun after his storm in a teacup with Di Canio, so giving a bit back was perfectly understandable. Clarke may well be a kn0b but he worked hard in his short time with us and we lost out on a player who would have set that division alight for us - all because of PDC's uncontrollable ego. Oi Den!
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4:13pm Wed 12 Mar 14

smirg kcab says...

London Red wrote:
smirg kcab wrote:
London Red wrote:
Davidsyrett wrote: Last night was boys against men, Wolves oozed confidence and totally outclassed us in the first half, our defence was totally exposed as one having no pace. Ward and Branco must be replaced at the end of the season, and if Troy can only play one game a week at his age, we better off load him as well. The problem is that the midfield has no pace as well, or for that matter the forward(s), we are too easy to play against. If we are seriously looking for promotion next season, we have to be able to break with pace, just like Wolves last night., oh and of course defend. I don't see Cooper going anywhere, watching the FL show on Saturday night, it was a realistic appraisal of where the club are today, and in the scheme of things we've done OK this season., but if next season is to improve then LP is going to have to invest some of his money into the squad. Yes we've seen Yeovil & Orient have success on a shoestring budget, but they are the minority rather than the norm. All the big spenders (except City) are near the top, and I'm sure it will be the same next season.
Lets get some perspective when comparing us to the best team in the league (and best team by a country mile and then some) . Wolves came straight from the Premiership to L1 are still receiving £14m a season in parachute payments - thats about 3 times out income alone before you add on their actual revenue! . They are not your typical L1 side and should not be our benchmark! Bit like us under McMahon where we won it with 95 points! . That money has flown into their squad - they have spent over £3m this season alone (McDonald £750k, Golbourne £750k, Clarke £750k, Jacobs £400k, Dicko £300k and Henry £250k) . Not to mention the Premiership players they still have on their books - Doyle and O'Hara plus Ricketts and Sako who are still actually playing for them! . If they are spending that kind of money of transfer fees goodness knows what their wage bill is - but I bet it will make PdC's look tiny! . Its no wonder they are flying high and beating everyone - lets not forget they went to Brentford and Walsall in recent weeks and won by 3 goals too! . I can't believe after seeing us spend money we didn't have for the past few seasons which never resulted in promotion and nearly put us out of business - people still want us to try it again! . Plus others like Sheff U, Preston and Sh1tty this year show its not just money - as have others before them - how long did it take Leeds to go up? . The change in model is going to take time - that is not weeks or even months - so we need to judge it at the end of next season or the season after to see how it is developing . We currently have Wes, N.Thompson, L.Thompson, Luongo and Ranger on our books - who even Wolves would probably welcome into their star studded team . Plus we have had the opportunity to see Pritchard grace our pitch all season - you know a player who is a finalist in the FL Young Player of the Season - yet another Wolves were looking at! . Then you add in other good prospects like Kasim, Byrne and Belford and that is a massive first step to moving forward . Lets see who we are targetting and get in and judge the squad on that . Did anyone really think we would have built a promotion squad after having to literally start from scratch? . Least now we are not starting from scratch and can have a more "normal" pre-season rebuild
London you can give facts, figures and all the rest. The simple win(hammering) was down to a manager who worked with ward before and he told them put decent balls behind ward and you've won the game. You don't need £1 million players to do that(yes it do help tho). Sounds like cooper blamed dany again for this hammering. Saying when HE changed it only one side was on top. Sorry wolves changed it by strolling around second half by their demolishion in the first half. Still think beating relegation still may not be achieved.
So you are saying if N'guessan and Smith were up top for Wolves and we had Sako and Dicko - and if we had McDonald and them Harley - it would have still be 1-4 - as nothing to do with the players in each team - But 100% Cooper?
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Yes I do think we will beat relgation as we will pick up more points and the bottom 6 or 7 teams will not make up the gap we have on them - they have not picked up more than a point a game all season - while will they all start doing that now?
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Plus we still have Notts Co, Tranmere and Carlilse to play - so should we need anything else getting at least a point in each of them will secure safety
Don't understand the tosh about your first paragraph?
All I'm saying jacket knows how slow and poor ward is being a good manager, so I'm sure if smith dany was in his side I believe they would have scored.
Don't know how Harley has come into this. I thought he had his best game for us last apart from a stray pass he done.as for naming the three teams at the bottom I can't see us winning any of those or getting a point.
Bradford May be the game we may get a win. It's free fall and I'm sure a hammering in Saturday the baldock brothers will put a nail in our coffin.
The team you picks before every game don't inspire me also, and your nucleus next year I won't be going if cooper and the likes of Belford,smith,barker
, are the base for so called championship run in.
[quote][p][bold]London Red[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]smirg kcab[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]London Red[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Davidsyrett[/bold] wrote: Last night was boys against men, Wolves oozed confidence and totally outclassed us in the first half, our defence was totally exposed as one having no pace. Ward and Branco must be replaced at the end of the season, and if Troy can only play one game a week at his age, we better off load him as well. The problem is that the midfield has no pace as well, or for that matter the forward(s), we are too easy to play against. If we are seriously looking for promotion next season, we have to be able to break with pace, just like Wolves last night., oh and of course defend. I don't see Cooper going anywhere, watching the FL show on Saturday night, it was a realistic appraisal of where the club are today, and in the scheme of things we've done OK this season., but if next season is to improve then LP is going to have to invest some of his money into the squad. Yes we've seen Yeovil & Orient have success on a shoestring budget, but they are the minority rather than the norm. All the big spenders (except City) are near the top, and I'm sure it will be the same next season.[/p][/quote]Lets get some perspective when comparing us to the best team in the league (and best team by a country mile and then some) . Wolves came straight from the Premiership to L1 are still receiving £14m a season in parachute payments - thats about 3 times out income alone before you add on their actual revenue! . They are not your typical L1 side and should not be our benchmark! Bit like us under McMahon where we won it with 95 points! . That money has flown into their squad - they have spent over £3m this season alone (McDonald £750k, Golbourne £750k, Clarke £750k, Jacobs £400k, Dicko £300k and Henry £250k) . Not to mention the Premiership players they still have on their books - Doyle and O'Hara plus Ricketts and Sako who are still actually playing for them! . If they are spending that kind of money of transfer fees goodness knows what their wage bill is - but I bet it will make PdC's look tiny! . Its no wonder they are flying high and beating everyone - lets not forget they went to Brentford and Walsall in recent weeks and won by 3 goals too! . I can't believe after seeing us spend money we didn't have for the past few seasons which never resulted in promotion and nearly put us out of business - people still want us to try it again! . Plus others like Sheff U, Preston and Sh1tty this year show its not just money - as have others before them - how long did it take Leeds to go up? . The change in model is going to take time - that is not weeks or even months - so we need to judge it at the end of next season or the season after to see how it is developing . We currently have Wes, N.Thompson, L.Thompson, Luongo and Ranger on our books - who even Wolves would probably welcome into their star studded team . Plus we have had the opportunity to see Pritchard grace our pitch all season - you know a player who is a finalist in the FL Young Player of the Season - yet another Wolves were looking at! . Then you add in other good prospects like Kasim, Byrne and Belford and that is a massive first step to moving forward . Lets see who we are targetting and get in and judge the squad on that . Did anyone really think we would have built a promotion squad after having to literally start from scratch? . Least now we are not starting from scratch and can have a more "normal" pre-season rebuild[/p][/quote]London you can give facts, figures and all the rest. The simple win(hammering) was down to a manager who worked with ward before and he told them put decent balls behind ward and you've won the game. You don't need £1 million players to do that(yes it do help tho). Sounds like cooper blamed dany again for this hammering. Saying when HE changed it only one side was on top. Sorry wolves changed it by strolling around second half by their demolishion in the first half. Still think beating relegation still may not be achieved.[/p][/quote]So you are saying if N'guessan and Smith were up top for Wolves and we had Sako and Dicko - and if we had McDonald and them Harley - it would have still be 1-4 - as nothing to do with the players in each team - But 100% Cooper? . Yes I do think we will beat relgation as we will pick up more points and the bottom 6 or 7 teams will not make up the gap we have on them - they have not picked up more than a point a game all season - while will they all start doing that now? . Plus we still have Notts Co, Tranmere and Carlilse to play - so should we need anything else getting at least a point in each of them will secure safety[/p][/quote]Don't understand the tosh about your first paragraph? All I'm saying jacket knows how slow and poor ward is being a good manager, so I'm sure if smith dany was in his side I believe they would have scored. Don't know how Harley has come into this. I thought he had his best game for us last apart from a stray pass he done.as for naming the three teams at the bottom I can't see us winning any of those or getting a point. Bradford May be the game we may get a win. It's free fall and I'm sure a hammering in Saturday the baldock brothers will put a nail in our coffin. The team you picks before every game don't inspire me also, and your nucleus next year I won't be going if cooper and the likes of Belford,smith,barker , are the base for so called championship run in. smirg kcab
  • Score: -3

4:13pm Wed 12 Mar 14

who am i says...

London Red wrote:
who am i wrote: Try attending more than a couple of games LR then I might take your comments seriously. You want to watch this week in week out then you might change your tune. But then again you are LR.
I shouldn't need to justify myself to you or anyone and have and will attend the basically the same amount of games this year as I did last and the season before and in fact the decade before that . That includes games coming up this season too - so yes I will be watching "this" and have done previously . I'm not fickle when it comes to form or division - and will turn when I can - sorry but as much as I love STFC - it is not the most important thing in life and other things have to take priority . My point is about taking a longer term view than just a short period in the season . It's comments like thwe one quoted which stop your comments being taken seriously - maybe your name should be holier than you to match your stuck up attitude!
I comment on what I see you clearly don't
[quote][p][bold]London Red[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]who am i[/bold] wrote: Try attending more than a couple of games LR then I might take your comments seriously. You want to watch this week in week out then you might change your tune. But then again you are LR.[/p][/quote]I shouldn't need to justify myself to you or anyone and have and will attend the basically the same amount of games this year as I did last and the season before and in fact the decade before that . That includes games coming up this season too - so yes I will be watching "this" and have done previously . I'm not fickle when it comes to form or division - and will turn when I can - sorry but as much as I love STFC - it is not the most important thing in life and other things have to take priority . My point is about taking a longer term view than just a short period in the season . It's comments like thwe one quoted which stop your comments being taken seriously - maybe your name should be holier than you to match your stuck up attitude![/p][/quote]I comment on what I see you clearly don't who am i
  • Score: 3

4:31pm Wed 12 Mar 14

Swindonian63 says...

London Red wrote:
Davidsyrett wrote:
Last night was boys against men, Wolves oozed confidence and totally outclassed us in the first half, our defence was totally exposed as one having no pace. Ward and Branco must be replaced at the end of the season, and if Troy can only play one game a week at his age, we better off load him as well. The problem is that the midfield has no pace as well, or for that matter the forward(s), we are too easy to play against. If we are seriously looking for promotion next season, we have to be able to break with pace, just like Wolves last night., oh and of course defend. I don't see Cooper going anywhere, watching the FL show on Saturday night, it was a realistic appraisal of where the club are today, and in the scheme of things we've done OK this season., but if next season is to improve then LP is going to have to invest some of his money into the squad. Yes we've seen Yeovil & Orient have success on a shoestring budget, but they are the minority rather than the norm. All the big spenders (except City) are near the top, and I'm sure it will be the same next season.
Lets get some perspective when comparing us to the best team in the league (and best team by a country mile and then some)
.
Wolves came straight from the Premiership to L1 are still receiving £14m a season in parachute payments - thats about 3 times out income alone before you add on their actual revenue!
.
They are not your typical L1 side and should not be our benchmark! Bit like us under McMahon where we won it with 95 points!
.
That money has flown into their squad - they have spent over £3m this season alone (McDonald £750k, Golbourne £750k, Clarke £750k, Jacobs £400k, Dicko £300k and Henry £250k)
.
Not to mention the Premiership players they still have on their books - Doyle and O'Hara plus Ricketts and Sako who are still actually playing for them!
.
If they are spending that kind of money of transfer fees goodness knows what their wage bill is - but I bet it will make PdC's look tiny!
.
Its no wonder they are flying high and beating everyone - lets not forget they went to Brentford and Walsall in recent weeks and won by 3 goals too!
.
I can't believe after seeing us spend money we didn't have for the past few seasons which never resulted in promotion and nearly put us out of business - people still want us to try it again!
.
Plus others like Sheff U, Preston and Sh1tty this year show its not just money - as have others before them - how long did it take Leeds to go up?
.
The change in model is going to take time - that is not weeks or even months - so we need to judge it at the end of next season or the season after to see how it is developing
.
We currently have Wes, N.Thompson, L.Thompson, Luongo and Ranger on our books - who even Wolves would probably welcome into their star studded team
.
Plus we have had the opportunity to see Pritchard grace our pitch all season - you know a player who is a finalist in the FL Young Player of the Season - yet another Wolves were looking at!
.
Then you add in other good prospects like Kasim, Byrne and Belford and that is a massive first step to moving forward
.
Lets see who we are targetting and get in and judge the squad on that
.
Did anyone really think we would have built a promotion squad after having to literally start from scratch?
.
Least now we are not starting from scratch and can have a more "normal" pre-season rebuild
Nice to hear the voice of reason.
[quote][p][bold]London Red[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Davidsyrett[/bold] wrote: Last night was boys against men, Wolves oozed confidence and totally outclassed us in the first half, our defence was totally exposed as one having no pace. Ward and Branco must be replaced at the end of the season, and if Troy can only play one game a week at his age, we better off load him as well. The problem is that the midfield has no pace as well, or for that matter the forward(s), we are too easy to play against. If we are seriously looking for promotion next season, we have to be able to break with pace, just like Wolves last night., oh and of course defend. I don't see Cooper going anywhere, watching the FL show on Saturday night, it was a realistic appraisal of where the club are today, and in the scheme of things we've done OK this season., but if next season is to improve then LP is going to have to invest some of his money into the squad. Yes we've seen Yeovil & Orient have success on a shoestring budget, but they are the minority rather than the norm. All the big spenders (except City) are near the top, and I'm sure it will be the same next season.[/p][/quote]Lets get some perspective when comparing us to the best team in the league (and best team by a country mile and then some) . Wolves came straight from the Premiership to L1 are still receiving £14m a season in parachute payments - thats about 3 times out income alone before you add on their actual revenue! . They are not your typical L1 side and should not be our benchmark! Bit like us under McMahon where we won it with 95 points! . That money has flown into their squad - they have spent over £3m this season alone (McDonald £750k, Golbourne £750k, Clarke £750k, Jacobs £400k, Dicko £300k and Henry £250k) . Not to mention the Premiership players they still have on their books - Doyle and O'Hara plus Ricketts and Sako who are still actually playing for them! . If they are spending that kind of money of transfer fees goodness knows what their wage bill is - but I bet it will make PdC's look tiny! . Its no wonder they are flying high and beating everyone - lets not forget they went to Brentford and Walsall in recent weeks and won by 3 goals too! . I can't believe after seeing us spend money we didn't have for the past few seasons which never resulted in promotion and nearly put us out of business - people still want us to try it again! . Plus others like Sheff U, Preston and Sh1tty this year show its not just money - as have others before them - how long did it take Leeds to go up? . The change in model is going to take time - that is not weeks or even months - so we need to judge it at the end of next season or the season after to see how it is developing . We currently have Wes, N.Thompson, L.Thompson, Luongo and Ranger on our books - who even Wolves would probably welcome into their star studded team . Plus we have had the opportunity to see Pritchard grace our pitch all season - you know a player who is a finalist in the FL Young Player of the Season - yet another Wolves were looking at! . Then you add in other good prospects like Kasim, Byrne and Belford and that is a massive first step to moving forward . Lets see who we are targetting and get in and judge the squad on that . Did anyone really think we would have built a promotion squad after having to literally start from scratch? . Least now we are not starting from scratch and can have a more "normal" pre-season rebuild[/p][/quote]Nice to hear the voice of reason. Swindonian63
  • Score: -1

4:55pm Wed 12 Mar 14

Oi Den! says...

the wizard wrote:
grove red wrote:
the wizard wrote:
oncearedalwaysared wrote:
Until last night I have never criticised Mark Cooper and have been prepared to support the cause but last night was nothing short of an abject disaster, and everyone in the ground knew what was coming. No shape, no desire, no running off the ball, no closing down of the opposition. All these are basics for any half decent side, and we had none of them.

Kenny Jackett must have been laughing all the way back to Birmingham because this must have been the easiest win of their season. Any one of us could have given the Wolves team talk - run at their defence, it will crumble, and boy did we!!

Ward seemed to be wandering around aimlessly all night, not vocal, not revving up the team, just hopelessly outclassed and outrun by a better team. Our midfielders failed to spot any of the superb runs by McEveley or Barthram when he came on, too intent on keeping possession in midfield to allow the opposition to get 10 men behind the ball. THey never looked up, had no vision and no desire to drive forward. Even when we did, and we scored, we soon reverted to the old format.

Sometimes you do have to admit to having been beaten by the better team, we were, but what I can't accept is Cooper coming out with the drivel after the match. We weren't impressive in the second half Mark, we were allowed to keep the ball because Wolves didn't need it any more, they had already done enough. All the second half proved was that our forward line is as ineffective as our defence when under pressure.

This is almost the same team that was terrorising other teams earlier in the season, the difference is tactics, and that is down to the manager. Tippy tappy sideways football does not win matches.

For the first time this season, I am sorry, but I am now willing to join the group that suggests Cooper has run his course. I know there won't be many alternatives out there, but unless Power starts looking for his replacement now we will be in a relegation fight this time next year, if not already relegated due to having so few points we won't be mathematically able to get out of it.

Shut the door on your way our Cooper, something our defence is incapable of doing.
A very true and reflective post. Full of heart and passion may I add.

Well some may come on here with their stats, the truth is the S/T head count has to be tied into the attendance figures as that seat has been bought for the game. Last evening and this morning I have spoken to six S/T holders who didn't go and they in turn related to others who also didn't go..

I'd really like SAM to find out what the actual count was. If there where no queues for drinks at half time on a chilly evening that usually equates down to around 4, 500/5000 or less.

I share your love for the club, 56 years supporting them, as yes we are entitled to get racked off when its going like this. Very surprised that there aren't louder chants for Cooper out, but there is nobody obvious to take over. I am becoming fearful of the next few weeks and where they may take us, and next season already looks like its going to be hard work, but that depends on who is manager.
Funny how at the start of the season when we had direction and desire Cooper never mention that we were work in progress and a young team still finding its way. I politely suggest he has lost his mojo.

When Fitton (bless him) spent time out of the country things went haywire at CG and the team lost its way like it has now, It was only when he was here that things picked up. Power being away for long periods due to his taxation embargo doesn't help either I'm sure. Just an observation.
I know 5 season ticket holders who did not go last night.
The thing is LR, we have all wished the best for our team for many years, that is without question. Many of us have admitted to the fact that we have fallen on swords wishing for this and that, all positive elements, but those elements have all failed. I put trust in Hart and others including MacDonald, only to see them fail.

Only the other week you were rattling your abacus beads around attendance, but we all know the official attendance is much more than the actual on the day as many S/T's for one reason or another don't attend. But please tell me this, on your abacus do you have rows of beads that count, energy, movement, skill, passion, commitment and pure hard work and will to win shown by the players, ah...... thought not, because this is what many are trying to put across, and most are not having a go at Power, most are trying to tell him to wise up as Cooper has gone passed his use-by date. You can massage your figures which ever way you want, but the eyes of many tell them dross when its served up, and that is what is has been for weeks now, more of a habit than under laying trend. The game on Saturday told me enough of what last night was going to offer and my post under the Jackett and Wolves thread was a far better prediction than what your figures have ever predicted. Not looking to fall out but figures only show one side of the equation, the answer will be the final league table, and that is what is worrying a lot right now. Seen it and been there before, sadly, the R word is forbidden, but its being whispered by far too many to ignore. Just when you think you are safe it pops up and bites yer aris and then it don't let go.
Wiz, I disagree on all those managers. I don't think Hart, MacDonald or Cooper can be described as failures, as they all took over weak squads and had no opportunity to change them. We could get rid of Cooper now but the only way a different manager could succeed is by being allowed to change the players and style of play. If Di Canio had been judged on his early performance, he'd have been sacked after 3 months (which, with the benefit of hindsight, might not have been a bad thing).

That said, I still thought your post was good. All the statistics in the world - with match reports, radio commentaries and the rest - cannot come close to matching what we see for ourselves. And what we have seen for ourselves lately has been utter rubbish.
[quote][p][bold]the wizard[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]grove red[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]the wizard[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]oncearedalwaysared[/bold] wrote: Until last night I have never criticised Mark Cooper and have been prepared to support the cause but last night was nothing short of an abject disaster, and everyone in the ground knew what was coming. No shape, no desire, no running off the ball, no closing down of the opposition. All these are basics for any half decent side, and we had none of them. Kenny Jackett must have been laughing all the way back to Birmingham because this must have been the easiest win of their season. Any one of us could have given the Wolves team talk - run at their defence, it will crumble, and boy did we!! Ward seemed to be wandering around aimlessly all night, not vocal, not revving up the team, just hopelessly outclassed and outrun by a better team. Our midfielders failed to spot any of the superb runs by McEveley or Barthram when he came on, too intent on keeping possession in midfield to allow the opposition to get 10 men behind the ball. THey never looked up, had no vision and no desire to drive forward. Even when we did, and we scored, we soon reverted to the old format. Sometimes you do have to admit to having been beaten by the better team, we were, but what I can't accept is Cooper coming out with the drivel after the match. We weren't impressive in the second half Mark, we were allowed to keep the ball because Wolves didn't need it any more, they had already done enough. All the second half proved was that our forward line is as ineffective as our defence when under pressure. This is almost the same team that was terrorising other teams earlier in the season, the difference is tactics, and that is down to the manager. Tippy tappy sideways football does not win matches. For the first time this season, I am sorry, but I am now willing to join the group that suggests Cooper has run his course. I know there won't be many alternatives out there, but unless Power starts looking for his replacement now we will be in a relegation fight this time next year, if not already relegated due to having so few points we won't be mathematically able to get out of it. Shut the door on your way our Cooper, something our defence is incapable of doing.[/p][/quote]A very true and reflective post. Full of heart and passion may I add. Well some may come on here with their stats, the truth is the S/T head count has to be tied into the attendance figures as that seat has been bought for the game. Last evening and this morning I have spoken to six S/T holders who didn't go and they in turn related to others who also didn't go.. I'd really like SAM to find out what the actual count was. If there where no queues for drinks at half time on a chilly evening that usually equates down to around 4, 500/5000 or less. I share your love for the club, 56 years supporting them, as yes we are entitled to get racked off when its going like this. Very surprised that there aren't louder chants for Cooper out, but there is nobody obvious to take over. I am becoming fearful of the next few weeks and where they may take us, and next season already looks like its going to be hard work, but that depends on who is manager. Funny how at the start of the season when we had direction and desire Cooper never mention that we were work in progress and a young team still finding its way. I politely suggest he has lost his mojo. When Fitton (bless him) spent time out of the country things went haywire at CG and the team lost its way like it has now, It was only when he was here that things picked up. Power being away for long periods due to his taxation embargo doesn't help either I'm sure. Just an observation.[/p][/quote]I know 5 season ticket holders who did not go last night.[/p][/quote]The thing is LR, we have all wished the best for our team for many years, that is without question. Many of us have admitted to the fact that we have fallen on swords wishing for this and that, all positive elements, but those elements have all failed. I put trust in Hart and others including MacDonald, only to see them fail. Only the other week you were rattling your abacus beads around attendance, but we all know the official attendance is much more than the actual on the day as many S/T's for one reason or another don't attend. But please tell me this, on your abacus do you have rows of beads that count, energy, movement, skill, passion, commitment and pure hard work and will to win shown by the players, ah...... thought not, because this is what many are trying to put across, and most are not having a go at Power, most are trying to tell him to wise up as Cooper has gone passed his use-by date. You can massage your figures which ever way you want, but the eyes of many tell them dross when its served up, and that is what is has been for weeks now, more of a habit than under laying trend. The game on Saturday told me enough of what last night was going to offer and my post under the Jackett and Wolves thread was a far better prediction than what your figures have ever predicted. Not looking to fall out but figures only show one side of the equation, the answer will be the final league table, and that is what is worrying a lot right now. Seen it and been there before, sadly, the R word is forbidden, but its being whispered by far too many to ignore. Just when you think you are safe it pops up and bites yer aris and then it don't let go.[/p][/quote]Wiz, I disagree on all those managers. I don't think Hart, MacDonald or Cooper can be described as failures, as they all took over weak squads and had no opportunity to change them. We could get rid of Cooper now but the only way a different manager could succeed is by being allowed to change the players and style of play. If Di Canio had been judged on his early performance, he'd have been sacked after 3 months (which, with the benefit of hindsight, might not have been a bad thing). That said, I still thought your post was good. All the statistics in the world - with match reports, radio commentaries and the rest - cannot come close to matching what we see for ourselves. And what we have seen for ourselves lately has been utter rubbish. Oi Den!
  • Score: -1

5:52pm Wed 12 Mar 14

MARK TITCOMBE says...

smirg kcab wrote:
Carnage at the county ground.
The score don't tell the story. We should have been 6 down at half time.
Lucky wolves strolled around in the second half to prevent a cricket score.
Still we are young and a work in progress with a great nucleus for next year without Pritchard and ranger.
3 day break to sort the tired tims out before another thrashing at city
I;ll winge with you mate, because you're right. No good pretending anything else like the others on here. They are just incapable of standing up to what is frighteningly obvious............A Shhhhhhhhhiiiiiiiiii
tttttttttttttt Manager.
[quote][p][bold]smirg kcab[/bold] wrote: Carnage at the county ground. The score don't tell the story. We should have been 6 down at half time. Lucky wolves strolled around in the second half to prevent a cricket score. Still we are young and a work in progress with a great nucleus for next year without Pritchard and ranger. 3 day break to sort the tired tims out before another thrashing at city[/p][/quote]I;ll winge with you mate, because you're right. No good pretending anything else like the others on here. They are just incapable of standing up to what is frighteningly obvious............A Shhhhhhhhhiiiiiiiiii tttttttttttttt Manager. MARK TITCOMBE
  • Score: 0

5:56pm Wed 12 Mar 14

MARK TITCOMBE says...

oncearedalwaysared wrote:
Until last night I have never criticised Mark Cooper and have been prepared to support the cause but last night was nothing short of an abject disaster, and everyone in the ground knew what was coming. No shape, no desire, no running off the ball, no closing down of the opposition. All these are basics for any half decent side, and we had none of them.

Kenny Jackett must have been laughing all the way back to Birmingham because this must have been the easiest win of their season. Any one of us could have given the Wolves team talk - run at their defence, it will crumble, and boy did we!!

Ward seemed to be wandering around aimlessly all night, not vocal, not revving up the team, just hopelessly outclassed and outrun by a better team. Our midfielders failed to spot any of the superb runs by McEveley or Barthram when he came on, too intent on keeping possession in midfield to allow the opposition to get 10 men behind the ball. THey never looked up, had no vision and no desire to drive forward. Even when we did, and we scored, we soon reverted to the old format.

Sometimes you do have to admit to having been beaten by the better team, we were, but what I can't accept is Cooper coming out with the drivel after the match. We weren't impressive in the second half Mark, we were allowed to keep the ball because Wolves didn't need it any more, they had already done enough. All the second half proved was that our forward line is as ineffective as our defence when under pressure.

This is almost the same team that was terrorising other teams earlier in the season, the difference is tactics, and that is down to the manager. Tippy tappy sideways football does not win matches.

For the first time this season, I am sorry, but I am now willing to join the group that suggests Cooper has run his course. I know there won't be many alternatives out there, but unless Power starts looking for his replacement now we will be in a relegation fight this time next year, if not already relegated due to having so few points we won't be mathematically able to get out of it.

Shut the door on your way our Cooper, something our defence is incapable of doing.
Told You
[quote][p][bold]oncearedalwaysared[/bold] wrote: Until last night I have never criticised Mark Cooper and have been prepared to support the cause but last night was nothing short of an abject disaster, and everyone in the ground knew what was coming. No shape, no desire, no running off the ball, no closing down of the opposition. All these are basics for any half decent side, and we had none of them. Kenny Jackett must have been laughing all the way back to Birmingham because this must have been the easiest win of their season. Any one of us could have given the Wolves team talk - run at their defence, it will crumble, and boy did we!! Ward seemed to be wandering around aimlessly all night, not vocal, not revving up the team, just hopelessly outclassed and outrun by a better team. Our midfielders failed to spot any of the superb runs by McEveley or Barthram when he came on, too intent on keeping possession in midfield to allow the opposition to get 10 men behind the ball. THey never looked up, had no vision and no desire to drive forward. Even when we did, and we scored, we soon reverted to the old format. Sometimes you do have to admit to having been beaten by the better team, we were, but what I can't accept is Cooper coming out with the drivel after the match. We weren't impressive in the second half Mark, we were allowed to keep the ball because Wolves didn't need it any more, they had already done enough. All the second half proved was that our forward line is as ineffective as our defence when under pressure. This is almost the same team that was terrorising other teams earlier in the season, the difference is tactics, and that is down to the manager. Tippy tappy sideways football does not win matches. For the first time this season, I am sorry, but I am now willing to join the group that suggests Cooper has run his course. I know there won't be many alternatives out there, but unless Power starts looking for his replacement now we will be in a relegation fight this time next year, if not already relegated due to having so few points we won't be mathematically able to get out of it. Shut the door on your way our Cooper, something our defence is incapable of doing.[/p][/quote]Told You MARK TITCOMBE
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8:28pm Wed 12 Mar 14

alchafreds says...

Oi Den! wrote:
LeGod wrote:
Oi-Den - Leon Clarke got stick because of his reaction to when he scored against us playing for Coventry as before he went along the Arkells stand rubbing our noses in it no one gave him any stick so if you were at the Coventry game you would have know that and last night was a follow on from that.
I've heard as a bloke he is a total K*** but you cant deny him that he is a good player and his goal scoring proves that.
I was at the Coventry game. I thought his wind-up was funny. Football has become far too sensitive about things like that. He would have been well aware that many Town fans called him all the names under the sun after his storm in a teacup with Di Canio, so giving a bit back was perfectly understandable. Clarke may well be a kn0b but he worked hard in his short time with us and we lost out on a player who would have set that division alight for us - all because of PDC's uncontrollable ego.
give it a rest ffs
[quote][p][bold]Oi Den![/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]LeGod[/bold] wrote: Oi-Den - Leon Clarke got stick because of his reaction to when he scored against us playing for Coventry as before he went along the Arkells stand rubbing our noses in it no one gave him any stick so if you were at the Coventry game you would have know that and last night was a follow on from that. I've heard as a bloke he is a total K*** but you cant deny him that he is a good player and his goal scoring proves that.[/p][/quote]I was at the Coventry game. I thought his wind-up was funny. Football has become far too sensitive about things like that. He would have been well aware that many Town fans called him all the names under the sun after his storm in a teacup with Di Canio, so giving a bit back was perfectly understandable. Clarke may well be a kn0b but he worked hard in his short time with us and we lost out on a player who would have set that division alight for us - all because of PDC's uncontrollable ego.[/p][/quote]give it a rest ffs alchafreds
  • Score: -2

8:56pm Wed 12 Mar 14

Oi Den! says...

alchafreds wrote:
Oi Den! wrote:
LeGod wrote:
Oi-Den - Leon Clarke got stick because of his reaction to when he scored against us playing for Coventry as before he went along the Arkells stand rubbing our noses in it no one gave him any stick so if you were at the Coventry game you would have know that and last night was a follow on from that.
I've heard as a bloke he is a total K*** but you cant deny him that he is a good player and his goal scoring proves that.
I was at the Coventry game. I thought his wind-up was funny. Football has become far too sensitive about things like that. He would have been well aware that many Town fans called him all the names under the sun after his storm in a teacup with Di Canio, so giving a bit back was perfectly understandable. Clarke may well be a kn0b but he worked hard in his short time with us and we lost out on a player who would have set that division alight for us - all because of PDC's uncontrollable ego.
give it a rest ffs
Cheers.
[quote][p][bold]alchafreds[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Oi Den![/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]LeGod[/bold] wrote: Oi-Den - Leon Clarke got stick because of his reaction to when he scored against us playing for Coventry as before he went along the Arkells stand rubbing our noses in it no one gave him any stick so if you were at the Coventry game you would have know that and last night was a follow on from that. I've heard as a bloke he is a total K*** but you cant deny him that he is a good player and his goal scoring proves that.[/p][/quote]I was at the Coventry game. I thought his wind-up was funny. Football has become far too sensitive about things like that. He would have been well aware that many Town fans called him all the names under the sun after his storm in a teacup with Di Canio, so giving a bit back was perfectly understandable. Clarke may well be a kn0b but he worked hard in his short time with us and we lost out on a player who would have set that division alight for us - all because of PDC's uncontrollable ego.[/p][/quote]give it a rest ffs[/p][/quote]Cheers. Oi Den!
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11:12pm Wed 12 Mar 14

joey butler says...

For all you Nile Ranger turncoats, any thoughts on his LATEST court case please?

The Judge told him Tuesday he might go to jail in May, but I am quite sure you all hope he will be released in time for pre season training?

No problem if he cannot make it, he can just not bother turning up for training as usual!

What a nightmare that we ever signed Ranger, it was not Mr Power's best idea, was it?
For all you Nile Ranger turncoats, any thoughts on his LATEST court case please? The Judge told him Tuesday he might go to jail in May, but I am quite sure you all hope he will be released in time for pre season training? No problem if he cannot make it, he can just not bother turning up for training as usual! What a nightmare that we ever signed Ranger, it was not Mr Power's best idea, was it? joey butler
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11:59pm Wed 12 Mar 14

bearwoodred says...

MARK TITCOMBE wrote:
smirg kcab wrote:
Carnage at the county ground.
The score don't tell the story. We should have been 6 down at half time.
Lucky wolves strolled around in the second half to prevent a cricket score.
Still we are young and a work in progress with a great nucleus for next year without Pritchard and ranger.
3 day break to sort the tired tims out before another thrashing at city
I;ll winge with you mate, because you're right. No good pretending anything else like the others on here. They are just incapable of standing up to what is frighteningly obvious............A Shhhhhhhhhiiiiiiiiii

tttttttttttttt Manager.
What evactly do you want everyone to do eh? Say that everyone agrees with Smeg who has clearly become the most BoRING person EVER and you are now joining him and then what? Honestly imagine if the 50 or so posters on here all posted in exactly the same way as you and Smeg would it change anything, would Cooper be sacked? Would everyone stop going? Who knows! But imagine a forum where everyone posted like you two - christ that is a depressing thought.

We all know what you both think, it's fine and opinion. But if you really want Cooper out do something about it, Paint some placards, practice some songs, stay after the game and chant, organise a march or a pickett, write to power, start a petition.

But please these one liners demainding that Cooper is cr#p, or out or we are doomed, or we'll have no fans, we are not a young side etc. are zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz
zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz
zzzzzzzzz

Please stop for all our sanity.
[quote][p][bold]MARK TITCOMBE[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]smirg kcab[/bold] wrote: Carnage at the county ground. The score don't tell the story. We should have been 6 down at half time. Lucky wolves strolled around in the second half to prevent a cricket score. Still we are young and a work in progress with a great nucleus for next year without Pritchard and ranger. 3 day break to sort the tired tims out before another thrashing at city[/p][/quote]I;ll winge with you mate, because you're right. No good pretending anything else like the others on here. They are just incapable of standing up to what is frighteningly obvious............A Shhhhhhhhhiiiiiiiiii tttttttttttttt Manager.[/p][/quote]What evactly do you want everyone to do eh? Say that everyone agrees with Smeg who has clearly become the most BoRING person EVER and you are now joining him and then what? Honestly imagine if the 50 or so posters on here all posted in exactly the same way as you and Smeg would it change anything, would Cooper be sacked? Would everyone stop going? Who knows! But imagine a forum where everyone posted like you two - christ that is a depressing thought. We all know what you both think, it's fine and opinion. But if you really want Cooper out do something about it, Paint some placards, practice some songs, stay after the game and chant, organise a march or a pickett, write to power, start a petition. But please these one liners demainding that Cooper is cr#p, or out or we are doomed, or we'll have no fans, we are not a young side etc. are zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz zzzzzzzzz Please stop for all our sanity. bearwoodred
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12:29am Thu 13 Mar 14

the wizard says...

Charisma Cooper, because he hasn't got any, LOL.
Charisma Cooper, because he hasn't got any, LOL. the wizard
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