SWINDON TOWN: Double blow for Town as they are dumped out of JPT and lose Ranger for the season

The Wiltshire Gazette and Herald: Swindon Town striker Nile Ranger has been ruled out for the rest of the season Swindon Town striker Nile Ranger has been ruled out for the rest of the season

SWINDON Town suffered a miserable double blow last night, as they were knocked out of the Johnstone’s Paint Trophy on penalties and learned that striker Nile Ranger could be out of action until the end of the season through injury.

Massimo Luongo and Tijane Reis missed from the spot as Peterborough United secured their passage to Wembley at the County Ground following a 1-1 draw over 90 minutes, which left the tie locked at 3-3 on aggregate.

That was a bitter pill to swallow but it got worse for Robins fans after the game when Mark Cooper revealed he is to be without talismanic striker Ranger for between eight and 12 weeks.

Ranger is due in court on a rape charge, which he denies, in Newcastle on February 24 and may have missed a week of action prior to picking up the knock in Friday night’s goalless draw with Colchester United.

However, it is possible that Swindon will now be missing the frontman for the rest of their League One campaign.

“He’s had a scan,” said Cooper. “He’s got a grade three hamstring tear, which I have been told is anything between eight and 12 weeks out.”

When asked whether he would consider bringing in a new forward to make up for Ranger’s absence, Cooper said: “We’ve got one – Michael Smith.”

Alex Pritchard opened the scoring for Swindon last night only for Britt Assombalonga to force penalties following a mistake by Jacob Murphy.

“We had a spell for 10 minutes in the second half where we looked tired, we made one mistake in the game and it led to a goal,” said Cooper. “That was a mistake for a young player, he’ll learn from that. I was proud of the players, they gave everything, we played some good football, we were deservedly in front at half-time and we could have killed the game after half-time but it wasn’t to be.”

Cooper was once again disappointed by the standard of refereeing, with match official Keith Stroud failing to award Town an early penalty when Craig Alcock brought down Dany N’Guessan.

The Swindon boss said: “It’s a stonewall penalty, isn’t it? Another one. I keep talking about referees, it’s every game.

“The law of averages says we’re going to get a decision sooner or later – that’s not putting pressure on referees, it’s just the truth. It’s a blatant penalty.”

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6:19am Tue 18 Feb 14

Cricklade Reds says...

Miles Storey being out on loan as cost us dearly. Poor management shown by Power. Time to stop papering over the cracks.
Miles Storey being out on loan as cost us dearly. Poor management shown by Power. Time to stop papering over the cracks. Cricklade Reds

7:31am Tue 18 Feb 14

smirg kcab says...

Old McDonald and cooper has cost this club thousands£ lost revenue.
Hope reis never puts a town shirt on again, he turned down many clubs to take a pen like that lol. Mind you fair play to him he was the only one who put his pen where he wanted it go.
Felt sorry for gladwin after cooper destroyed his career playing him as a forward
Old McDonald and cooper has cost this club thousands£ lost revenue. Hope reis never puts a town shirt on again, he turned down many clubs to take a pen like that lol. Mind you fair play to him he was the only one who put his pen where he wanted it go. Felt sorry for gladwin after cooper destroyed his career playing him as a forward smirg kcab

7:36am Tue 18 Feb 14

sadgit says...

Very poor tactics and have learned nothing from the penalty shootout at Brentford. Terrible plan to take off a regular penalty taker with just a few minutes of normal time remaining and to allow Reis to take a vital kick when he is clearly not up to the mark.
Very poor tactics and have learned nothing from the penalty shootout at Brentford. Terrible plan to take off a regular penalty taker with just a few minutes of normal time remaining and to allow Reis to take a vital kick when he is clearly not up to the mark. sadgit

7:41am Tue 18 Feb 14

Chish and Fips says...

smirg kcab wrote:
Old McDonald and cooper has cost this club thousands£ lost revenue.
Hope reis never puts a town shirt on again, he turned down many clubs to take a pen like that lol. Mind you fair play to him he was the only one who put his pen where he wanted it go.
Felt sorry for gladwin after cooper destroyed his career playing him as a forward
My god Grim you woke up in a bad mood this morning. ;o(
Bit harsh on the 2 players - must admit though there is some element of truth there. Gladwin looked lost and out his comfort zone.
I will not judge a player personally on one penalty, but hey lets move on and regroup.
[quote][p][bold]smirg kcab[/bold] wrote: Old McDonald and cooper has cost this club thousands£ lost revenue. Hope reis never puts a town shirt on again, he turned down many clubs to take a pen like that lol. Mind you fair play to him he was the only one who put his pen where he wanted it go. Felt sorry for gladwin after cooper destroyed his career playing him as a forward[/p][/quote]My god Grim you woke up in a bad mood this morning. ;o( Bit harsh on the 2 players - must admit though there is some element of truth there. Gladwin looked lost and out his comfort zone. I will not judge a player personally on one penalty, but hey lets move on and regroup. Chish and Fips

7:42am Tue 18 Feb 14

Wildwestener says...

smirg kcab wrote:
Old McDonald and cooper has cost this club thousands£ lost revenue.
Hope reis never puts a town shirt on again, he turned down many clubs to take a pen like that lol. Mind you fair play to him he was the only one who put his pen where he wanted it go.
Felt sorry for gladwin after cooper destroyed his career playing him as a forward
Have you overdone your meds?

The lads played well last night and that's the way penalties go. I was proud of them as they clearly put 100% in. All the knockers can go do one.
[quote][p][bold]smirg kcab[/bold] wrote: Old McDonald and cooper has cost this club thousands£ lost revenue. Hope reis never puts a town shirt on again, he turned down many clubs to take a pen like that lol. Mind you fair play to him he was the only one who put his pen where he wanted it go. Felt sorry for gladwin after cooper destroyed his career playing him as a forward[/p][/quote]Have you overdone your meds? The lads played well last night and that's the way penalties go. I was proud of them as they clearly put 100% in. All the knockers can go do one. Wildwestener

7:49am Tue 18 Feb 14

ciclosporindorset says...

I felt we sat too deep in the second half too and I also felt we lacked the second striker to play up to. The two are entirely linked of course and if Ranger were not injured we would have won. Reis looked promising in his cameo and Branco continues to develop his game. Louis was excellent and Gladwin should not beat himself up just because he played adifferent role. Archie suffered on this site for no better reason than he played a game out of position then got injured. He is going to be a terrific player but I doubt we could afford him beyond this season. Cooper is learning his trade the hard way at times bt I feel that next year - he will have a settled formation if not side. Plenty to look forward to imo.
I felt we sat too deep in the second half too and I also felt we lacked the second striker to play up to. The two are entirely linked of course and if Ranger were not injured we would have won. Reis looked promising in his cameo and Branco continues to develop his game. Louis was excellent and Gladwin should not beat himself up just because he played adifferent role. Archie suffered on this site for no better reason than he played a game out of position then got injured. He is going to be a terrific player but I doubt we could afford him beyond this season. Cooper is learning his trade the hard way at times bt I feel that next year - he will have a settled formation if not side. Plenty to look forward to imo. ciclosporindorset

7:51am Tue 18 Feb 14

Chish and Fips says...

sadgit wrote:
Very poor tactics and have learned nothing from the penalty shootout at Brentford. Terrible plan to take off a regular penalty taker with just a few minutes of normal time remaining and to allow Reis to take a vital kick when he is clearly not up to the mark.
Correct me if I'm wrong but wasn't it ten minutes plus injury time.
15 mins is long time when you are knackered after leading the line solely for best part of the second half. Fresh legs required, trouble was imo not really anyone available on bench to suit.
[quote][p][bold]sadgit[/bold] wrote: Very poor tactics and have learned nothing from the penalty shootout at Brentford. Terrible plan to take off a regular penalty taker with just a few minutes of normal time remaining and to allow Reis to take a vital kick when he is clearly not up to the mark.[/p][/quote]Correct me if I'm wrong but wasn't it ten minutes plus injury time. 15 mins is long time when you are knackered after leading the line solely for best part of the second half. Fresh legs required, trouble was imo not really anyone available on bench to suit. Chish and Fips

7:57am Tue 18 Feb 14

sadgit says...

Chish and Fips wrote:
sadgit wrote:
Very poor tactics and have learned nothing from the penalty shootout at Brentford. Terrible plan to take off a regular penalty taker with just a few minutes of normal time remaining and to allow Reis to take a vital kick when he is clearly not up to the mark.
Correct me if I'm wrong but wasn't it ten minutes plus injury time.
15 mins is long time when you are knackered after leading the line solely for best part of the second half. Fresh legs required, trouble was imo not really anyone available on bench to suit.
Back to my original point poor tactics!
[quote][p][bold]Chish and Fips[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]sadgit[/bold] wrote: Very poor tactics and have learned nothing from the penalty shootout at Brentford. Terrible plan to take off a regular penalty taker with just a few minutes of normal time remaining and to allow Reis to take a vital kick when he is clearly not up to the mark.[/p][/quote]Correct me if I'm wrong but wasn't it ten minutes plus injury time. 15 mins is long time when you are knackered after leading the line solely for best part of the second half. Fresh legs required, trouble was imo not really anyone available on bench to suit.[/p][/quote]Back to my original point poor tactics! sadgit

8:03am Tue 18 Feb 14

Chish and Fips says...

sadgit wrote:
Chish and Fips wrote:
sadgit wrote:
Very poor tactics and have learned nothing from the penalty shootout at Brentford. Terrible plan to take off a regular penalty taker with just a few minutes of normal time remaining and to allow Reis to take a vital kick when he is clearly not up to the mark.
Correct me if I'm wrong but wasn't it ten minutes plus injury time.
15 mins is long time when you are knackered after leading the line solely for best part of the second half. Fresh legs required, trouble was imo not really anyone available on bench to suit.
Back to my original point poor tactics!
TBH I'm not too sure on what I saw, whether we were playing too deep or not - Tactics ?? I think Posh stepped up the pressure and we were running on empty - each to their own opinion.
[quote][p][bold]sadgit[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Chish and Fips[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]sadgit[/bold] wrote: Very poor tactics and have learned nothing from the penalty shootout at Brentford. Terrible plan to take off a regular penalty taker with just a few minutes of normal time remaining and to allow Reis to take a vital kick when he is clearly not up to the mark.[/p][/quote]Correct me if I'm wrong but wasn't it ten minutes plus injury time. 15 mins is long time when you are knackered after leading the line solely for best part of the second half. Fresh legs required, trouble was imo not really anyone available on bench to suit.[/p][/quote]Back to my original point poor tactics![/p][/quote]TBH I'm not too sure on what I saw, whether we were playing too deep or not - Tactics ?? I think Posh stepped up the pressure and we were running on empty - each to their own opinion. Chish and Fips

8:09am Tue 18 Feb 14

tobruk says...

Here go the knockers again!! It was the referee that cost us the game, not Reis and Luongo!A blatant penalty not given by a weak and biased referee. I smelled a rat when he booked our player for a fair tackle after a clear foul by a Posh player, and not to give the penalty was too obvious and a disgrace. What are the linesmen for, just to wave a flag now and again, and what's the point of a fourth official?
Here go the knockers again!! It was the referee that cost us the game, not Reis and Luongo!A blatant penalty not given by a weak and biased referee. I smelled a rat when he booked our player for a fair tackle after a clear foul by a Posh player, and not to give the penalty was too obvious and a disgrace. What are the linesmen for, just to wave a flag now and again, and what's the point of a fourth official? tobruk

8:20am Tue 18 Feb 14

chrystovski says...

I don't normally criticise Cooper and up until this point I haven't felt the need to but I think he got it badly wrong in the 2nd half last night.

Firstly we should never have sat so deep hoping one goal would be enough, with the firepower Boro have we were always going to need to score at least 2. We were trying to hold onto a one goal lead for 45 minutes, far too much respect was paid to them. A 2nd goal for us would have killed the tie and sometimes the best form of defence is attack.

Secondly he should have made changes at the 60 minute mark. We started to look really tired quite early into the 2nd half as Posh began to take a stranglehold on the game but instead he waited and waited and waited until the inevitable happened, they scored and then he made 2 changes! You don't need to have coaching badges to work out that had been coming.

Cannot fault the players effort they really did the club proud, penalties are a lottery so no blame attached to Mass or Tijane either, just wish it was us going to Wembley instead as I cannot see us going via the playoffs.
I don't normally criticise Cooper and up until this point I haven't felt the need to but I think he got it badly wrong in the 2nd half last night. Firstly we should never have sat so deep hoping one goal would be enough, with the firepower Boro have we were always going to need to score at least 2. We were trying to hold onto a one goal lead for 45 minutes, far too much respect was paid to them. A 2nd goal for us would have killed the tie and sometimes the best form of defence is attack. Secondly he should have made changes at the 60 minute mark. We started to look really tired quite early into the 2nd half as Posh began to take a stranglehold on the game but instead he waited and waited and waited until the inevitable happened, they scored and then he made 2 changes! You don't need to have coaching badges to work out that had been coming. Cannot fault the players effort they really did the club proud, penalties are a lottery so no blame attached to Mass or Tijane either, just wish it was us going to Wembley instead as I cannot see us going via the playoffs. chrystovski

8:41am Tue 18 Feb 14

GiulianoGrazioli says...

there's a lot of negativity on here again, but let's be straight about this.

- Rossi Branco - Looked half-asleep the entire game to me, was watching Darren and Troy continually shout at him to push out to the right more... Pritchard didn't look happy about having to mark 2-3 players because of that space...he had some good heads of the ball but that was about it. I think he looked completely out of his depth.

- First-Half was very good, we looked promising and it was entertaining. That was probably one of the worst referees I have ever witnessed.... 'Keith Stroud' rememebr that name, he didn't really have any clue whatsoever, kept awarding each team opposite decisions... I'd love to hear from the FA about his standard of refereeing?

- Gladwin going up front - Well, we knew this was a possibility from looking at the bench, no options - you' think Barker would have made the bench at least or Waldon if he was back? - Big mistake this was, and Storey had he been here could have had a good chance. I rubbish Cooper's respone of 'We have Michael Smith' - keep Playing N'Guessan up top but I would feel we are lightweight upfront now... Rory Fallon just signed for Carlisle - I did like Rory, probably because of that overhead kick though.

- We looked like we were settling for a 1-0 win, with 25-30 mins of the game left (massive no-no!!!) once again they switched off...

- Troy was good, and i'm really pleased for him that he has revived his career and is getting through games.

Let's not be too bitter - there had to be a winner, whilst the referee was absolute codswallops...the mistake by Murphy and Tijane's horrifying body posture standing over that penalty...a lot has been learnt, and we can focus on a play-off push now. It's going to be tough - but lets get behind the team and show our support! COYR!
there's a lot of negativity on here again, but let's be straight about this. - Rossi Branco - Looked half-asleep the entire game to me, was watching Darren and Troy continually shout at him to push out to the right more... Pritchard didn't look happy about having to mark 2-3 players because of that space...he had some good heads of the ball but that was about it. I think he looked completely out of his depth. - First-Half was very good, we looked promising and it was entertaining. That was probably one of the worst referees I have ever witnessed.... 'Keith Stroud' rememebr that name, he didn't really have any clue whatsoever, kept awarding each team opposite decisions... I'd love to hear from the FA about his standard of refereeing? - Gladwin going up front - Well, we knew this was a possibility from looking at the bench, no options - you' think Barker would have made the bench at least or Waldon if he was back? - Big mistake this was, and Storey had he been here could have had a good chance. I rubbish Cooper's respone of 'We have Michael Smith' - keep Playing N'Guessan up top but I would feel we are lightweight upfront now... Rory Fallon just signed for Carlisle - I did like Rory, probably because of that overhead kick though. - We looked like we were settling for a 1-0 win, with 25-30 mins of the game left (massive no-no!!!) once again they switched off... - Troy was good, and i'm really pleased for him that he has revived his career and is getting through games. Let's not be too bitter - there had to be a winner, whilst the referee was absolute codswallops...the mistake by Murphy and Tijane's horrifying body posture standing over that penalty...a lot has been learnt, and we can focus on a play-off push now. It's going to be tough - but lets get behind the team and show our support! COYR! GiulianoGrazioli

8:46am Tue 18 Feb 14

Always red says...

chrystovski wrote:
I don't normally criticise Cooper and up until this point I haven't felt the need to but I think he got it badly wrong in the 2nd half last night.

Firstly we should never have sat so deep hoping one goal would be enough, with the firepower Boro have we were always going to need to score at least 2. We were trying to hold onto a one goal lead for 45 minutes, far too much respect was paid to them. A 2nd goal for us would have killed the tie and sometimes the best form of defence is attack.

Secondly he should have made changes at the 60 minute mark. We started to look really tired quite early into the 2nd half as Posh began to take a stranglehold on the game but instead he waited and waited and waited until the inevitable happened, they scored and then he made 2 changes! You don't need to have coaching badges to work out that had been coming.

Cannot fault the players effort they really did the club proud, penalties are a lottery so no blame attached to Mass or Tijane either, just wish it was us going to Wembley instead as I cannot see us going via the playoffs.
Spot on ! some players were blowing hard after half time & Cooper never did anything about it , should have put an extra man in the middle as we couldn't keep the ball and the posh kept pushing forward .
We only started playing again when they scored .The 2 pen misses we're shocking how hard can it be to kick the ball on target from 12 yards ?
[quote][p][bold]chrystovski[/bold] wrote: I don't normally criticise Cooper and up until this point I haven't felt the need to but I think he got it badly wrong in the 2nd half last night. Firstly we should never have sat so deep hoping one goal would be enough, with the firepower Boro have we were always going to need to score at least 2. We were trying to hold onto a one goal lead for 45 minutes, far too much respect was paid to them. A 2nd goal for us would have killed the tie and sometimes the best form of defence is attack. Secondly he should have made changes at the 60 minute mark. We started to look really tired quite early into the 2nd half as Posh began to take a stranglehold on the game but instead he waited and waited and waited until the inevitable happened, they scored and then he made 2 changes! You don't need to have coaching badges to work out that had been coming. Cannot fault the players effort they really did the club proud, penalties are a lottery so no blame attached to Mass or Tijane either, just wish it was us going to Wembley instead as I cannot see us going via the playoffs.[/p][/quote]Spot on ! some players were blowing hard after half time & Cooper never did anything about it , should have put an extra man in the middle as we couldn't keep the ball and the posh kept pushing forward . We only started playing again when they scored .The 2 pen misses we're shocking how hard can it be to kick the ball on target from 12 yards ? Always red

8:54am Tue 18 Feb 14

umpcah says...

Always red wrote:
chrystovski wrote:
I don't normally criticise Cooper and up until this point I haven't felt the need to but I think he got it badly wrong in the 2nd half last night.

Firstly we should never have sat so deep hoping one goal would be enough, with the firepower Boro have we were always going to need to score at least 2. We were trying to hold onto a one goal lead for 45 minutes, far too much respect was paid to them. A 2nd goal for us would have killed the tie and sometimes the best form of defence is attack.

Secondly he should have made changes at the 60 minute mark. We started to look really tired quite early into the 2nd half as Posh began to take a stranglehold on the game but instead he waited and waited and waited until the inevitable happened, they scored and then he made 2 changes! You don't need to have coaching badges to work out that had been coming.

Cannot fault the players effort they really did the club proud, penalties are a lottery so no blame attached to Mass or Tijane either, just wish it was us going to Wembley instead as I cannot see us going via the playoffs.
Spot on ! some players were blowing hard after half time & Cooper never did anything about it , should have put an extra man in the middle as we couldn't keep the ball and the posh kept pushing forward .
We only started playing again when they scored .The 2 pen misses we're shocking how hard can it be to kick the ball on target from 12 yards ?
The 2 pen misses we're shocking how hard can it be to kick the ball on target from 12 yards ? I tend to think that any professional footballer should be capable of doing just that ! However even international stars are guilty of missed penalties ! Coping with the pressure together with accurate shooting is not always forthcoming not to mention the brilliant anticipation of some goalies !
[quote][p][bold]Always red[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]chrystovski[/bold] wrote: I don't normally criticise Cooper and up until this point I haven't felt the need to but I think he got it badly wrong in the 2nd half last night. Firstly we should never have sat so deep hoping one goal would be enough, with the firepower Boro have we were always going to need to score at least 2. We were trying to hold onto a one goal lead for 45 minutes, far too much respect was paid to them. A 2nd goal for us would have killed the tie and sometimes the best form of defence is attack. Secondly he should have made changes at the 60 minute mark. We started to look really tired quite early into the 2nd half as Posh began to take a stranglehold on the game but instead he waited and waited and waited until the inevitable happened, they scored and then he made 2 changes! You don't need to have coaching badges to work out that had been coming. Cannot fault the players effort they really did the club proud, penalties are a lottery so no blame attached to Mass or Tijane either, just wish it was us going to Wembley instead as I cannot see us going via the playoffs.[/p][/quote]Spot on ! some players were blowing hard after half time & Cooper never did anything about it , should have put an extra man in the middle as we couldn't keep the ball and the posh kept pushing forward . We only started playing again when they scored .The 2 pen misses we're shocking how hard can it be to kick the ball on target from 12 yards ?[/p][/quote]The 2 pen misses we're shocking how hard can it be to kick the ball on target from 12 yards ? I tend to think that any professional footballer should be capable of doing just that ! However even international stars are guilty of missed penalties ! Coping with the pressure together with accurate shooting is not always forthcoming not to mention the brilliant anticipation of some goalies ! umpcah

9:21am Tue 18 Feb 14

hertz says...

No blame I enjoyed first half , once again you could see us getting pinned back , they all seemed to put a good shift in especially Danny he was my man of the match , so no complaints over the 90 minutes . Did I hear on the radio on way home that Cooper did'nt watch his men take the penalties he looked the other way , he will learn a lot rom that then , also like his comment above re losing Ranger , he did'nt want him and could'nt manage him so he is probably relieved he will be out . Now lets see how we do against the O,s COYR
No blame I enjoyed first half , once again you could see us getting pinned back , they all seemed to put a good shift in especially Danny he was my man of the match , so no complaints over the 90 minutes . Did I hear on the radio on way home that Cooper did'nt watch his men take the penalties he looked the other way , he will learn a lot rom that then , also like his comment above re losing Ranger , he did'nt want him and could'nt manage him so he is probably relieved he will be out . Now lets see how we do against the O,s COYR hertz

9:23am Tue 18 Feb 14

meadowred says...

Bad referee display but a good work effort shown by the starting 11 for Town, yes poor penalties apart from Pritchard & Troy but overall in the conditions a good effort from the boys, cant understand why we had to bring a 18 year old to start when we normally send our 18/19 year old out on loan (apart from Louis Thompson) surely last night Miles in the last 20 minutes would have been causing problems with his pace or even Connor Waldon could have been brought back and given a start as a out & out Centre Forward as been in good form with his loan clubs. Unfortunately the manager i feel perhaps had the weakest bench this season when we really needed a stong one after a hard game Friday. Time to trust some of our young STFC Players along the hard core of the team plus Tottenham connections.
Bad referee display but a good work effort shown by the starting 11 for Town, yes poor penalties apart from Pritchard & Troy but overall in the conditions a good effort from the boys, cant understand why we had to bring a 18 year old to start when we normally send our 18/19 year old out on loan (apart from Louis Thompson) surely last night Miles in the last 20 minutes would have been causing problems with his pace or even Connor Waldon could have been brought back and given a start as a out & out Centre Forward as been in good form with his loan clubs. Unfortunately the manager i feel perhaps had the weakest bench this season when we really needed a stong one after a hard game Friday. Time to trust some of our young STFC Players along the hard core of the team plus Tottenham connections. meadowred

9:24am Tue 18 Feb 14

who am i says...

i know im going to get slammed for this but theres not a shadow of doubt in my mind that cooper cost us this game with his inept tactics, we were cruising in the first half and there was only going to be one winner and that was us, then mr inept goes and changes tactics at half time and play one up front poor old danny was shattered whereas if he had a partner in my book he would of lasted the whole game. Am i dissapointed that we got knocked out and not going to wembley NO am i dissapointed that we have a manager that hasnt a clue YES. Couldnt fault the players last night even the pen takers as you have to have the balls to step up for me there is only one person to blame the same person that has cost us numerous points this season.
i know im going to get slammed for this but theres not a shadow of doubt in my mind that cooper cost us this game with his inept tactics, we were cruising in the first half and there was only going to be one winner and that was us, then mr inept goes and changes tactics at half time and play one up front poor old danny was shattered whereas if he had a partner in my book he would of lasted the whole game. Am i dissapointed that we got knocked out and not going to wembley NO am i dissapointed that we have a manager that hasnt a clue YES. Couldnt fault the players last night even the pen takers as you have to have the balls to step up for me there is only one person to blame the same person that has cost us numerous points this season. who am i

9:28am Tue 18 Feb 14

Graham8181 says...

cooper 2 things cost us the game;
1. the referee
2. you deciding to change the formation after we went 1-0 up, we were doing well before that.
I went home a very very very angry man last night and I very rarely get this worked up. you have no idea on tactics and that referee deserves never to referee again. they go down to 10 men and we have a penalty and hopefully go 2-0 up, it was so blatent. they had to rely on a mistake by us to get an opening. Peterborough are nothing.
you cost us the game cooper and so did the referee end of
cooper 2 things cost us the game; 1. the referee 2. you deciding to change the formation after we went 1-0 up, we were doing well before that. I went home a very very very angry man last night and I very rarely get this worked up. you have no idea on tactics and that referee deserves never to referee again. they go down to 10 men and we have a penalty and hopefully go 2-0 up, it was so blatent. they had to rely on a mistake by us to get an opening. Peterborough are nothing. you cost us the game cooper and so did the referee end of Graham8181

9:31am Tue 18 Feb 14

We are PANTS says...

Well done to the loyal 6,300 Swindon fans last night for trying to lift the players by being the 12th man.. Shame about the armchair supporters who watched it at home yet still have the gaul to come on here slating the management and team... Do us loyals a favour and move up the A420 some 30 odd miles...
Well done to the loyal 6,300 Swindon fans last night for trying to lift the players by being the 12th man.. Shame about the armchair supporters who watched it at home yet still have the gaul to come on here slating the management and team... Do us loyals a favour and move up the A420 some 30 odd miles... We are PANTS

9:32am Tue 18 Feb 14

Cookie43 says...

tobruk wrote:
Here go the knockers again!! It was the referee that cost us the game, not Reis and Luongo!A blatant penalty not given by a weak and biased referee. I smelled a rat when he booked our player for a fair tackle after a clear foul by a Posh player, and not to give the penalty was too obvious and a disgrace. What are the linesmen for, just to wave a flag now and again, and what's the point of a fourth official?
Leave the knockers to their warm comfy chairs and hot drinks listening to their radios.
They sit their listening to the games praying we fail so they can get up early and post their pathetic moaning drivel.
Awful Ref have to admit lads gave it all one tired mistake they scored thats football. As for penalties well even top England players miss them shame but again thats football.
Sad news that Ranger us out. Still gonna go to to the Games and support my club.
[quote][p][bold]tobruk[/bold] wrote: Here go the knockers again!! It was the referee that cost us the game, not Reis and Luongo!A blatant penalty not given by a weak and biased referee. I smelled a rat when he booked our player for a fair tackle after a clear foul by a Posh player, and not to give the penalty was too obvious and a disgrace. What are the linesmen for, just to wave a flag now and again, and what's the point of a fourth official?[/p][/quote]Leave the knockers to their warm comfy chairs and hot drinks listening to their radios. They sit their listening to the games praying we fail so they can get up early and post their pathetic moaning drivel. Awful Ref have to admit lads gave it all one tired mistake they scored thats football. As for penalties well even top England players miss them shame but again thats football. Sad news that Ranger us out. Still gonna go to to the Games and support my club. Cookie43

9:33am Tue 18 Feb 14

Cookie43 says...

We are PANTS wrote:
Well done to the loyal 6,300 Swindon fans last night for trying to lift the players by being the 12th man.. Shame about the armchair supporters who watched it at home yet still have the gaul to come on here slating the management and team... Do us loyals a favour and move up the A420 some 30 odd miles...
Here here Spot on that man!!
[quote][p][bold]We are PANTS[/bold] wrote: Well done to the loyal 6,300 Swindon fans last night for trying to lift the players by being the 12th man.. Shame about the armchair supporters who watched it at home yet still have the gaul to come on here slating the management and team... Do us loyals a favour and move up the A420 some 30 odd miles...[/p][/quote]Here here Spot on that man!! Cookie43

9:34am Tue 18 Feb 14

old town robin says...

chrystovski wrote:
I don't normally criticise Cooper and up until this point I haven't felt the need to but I think he got it badly wrong in the 2nd half last night.

Firstly we should never have sat so deep hoping one goal would be enough, with the firepower Boro have we were always going to need to score at least 2. We were trying to hold onto a one goal lead for 45 minutes, far too much respect was paid to them. A 2nd goal for us would have killed the tie and sometimes the best form of defence is attack.

Secondly he should have made changes at the 60 minute mark. We started to look really tired quite early into the 2nd half as Posh began to take a stranglehold on the game but instead he waited and waited and waited until the inevitable happened, they scored and then he made 2 changes! You don't need to have coaching badges to work out that had been coming.

Cannot fault the players effort they really did the club proud, penalties are a lottery so no blame attached to Mass or Tijane either, just wish it was us going to Wembley instead as I cannot see us going via the playoffs.
Chrystov, we did concede 75% of possession second half, but only for just over 1/2 an hour, after conceding we tried to get back in the last 10 minutes to how we played first half. but the momentum was gone as tired legs took their toll. As you say poor poor tactics, when we played them in the league we did exactly the same and sat back in the second half and I think most who were there for that game would agree we were lucky to get away with it. Ferguson is shrewd and read Coopers attempted tactics like a book which is not too hard to do for someone who lacks nous.

Most managers make tactical substitutions around 65 minute. Cooper almost always waits until after 80 minutes, which as far as I can remember only worked once for him when Storey destroyed Coventry. In fairness last night I was not surprised he waited until so late to make changes because our bench was so weak with no recognised striker available.

Our beautiful pitch is pretty cut up now having played 2 games in 3 days. Why we tried so hard to get the game played on Friday in hindsight was a bad decision, not only were the conditions as bad as I have ever seen football played in , the crowd number were well down and probably cost the club £30k in revenue and why oh why did Cooper risk playing Nat when he was on 9 yellows and our best player Ranger when he was so important to have for this cup game if we were serious with our intent to get to Wembley.. In addition why did he send Storey out on loan when he did not have any strikers available for the bench. One bad decision you can live with, but this was an accumulation of errors that led to our downfall, despite the fact the starting 11 played very well last night and can not be faulted for their effort and a truly awful official who should be made to explain some of his decisions which were appalling.

I would like to see Cooper man up and admit he got it wrong, but he won't, he always has an excuse and it's never his fault because of poor decision making.

Rant over, time to move on and try to get through the remaining 15 games with 10 win, no yellow cards and injury free.

COYR

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[quote][p][bold]chrystovski[/bold] wrote: I don't normally criticise Cooper and up until this point I haven't felt the need to but I think he got it badly wrong in the 2nd half last night. Firstly we should never have sat so deep hoping one goal would be enough, with the firepower Boro have we were always going to need to score at least 2. We were trying to hold onto a one goal lead for 45 minutes, far too much respect was paid to them. A 2nd goal for us would have killed the tie and sometimes the best form of defence is attack. Secondly he should have made changes at the 60 minute mark. We started to look really tired quite early into the 2nd half as Posh began to take a stranglehold on the game but instead he waited and waited and waited until the inevitable happened, they scored and then he made 2 changes! You don't need to have coaching badges to work out that had been coming. Cannot fault the players effort they really did the club proud, penalties are a lottery so no blame attached to Mass or Tijane either, just wish it was us going to Wembley instead as I cannot see us going via the playoffs.[/p][/quote]Chrystov, we did concede 75% of possession second half, but only for just over 1/2 an hour, after conceding we tried to get back in the last 10 minutes to how we played first half. but the momentum was gone as tired legs took their toll. As you say poor poor tactics, when we played them in the league we did exactly the same and sat back in the second half and I think most who were there for that game would agree we were lucky to get away with it. Ferguson is shrewd and read Coopers attempted tactics like a book which is not too hard to do for someone who lacks nous. Most managers make tactical substitutions around 65 minute. Cooper almost always waits until after 80 minutes, which as far as I can remember only worked once for him when Storey destroyed Coventry. In fairness last night I was not surprised he waited until so late to make changes because our bench was so weak with no recognised striker available. Our beautiful pitch is pretty cut up now having played 2 games in 3 days. Why we tried so hard to get the game played on Friday in hindsight was a bad decision, not only were the conditions as bad as I have ever seen football played in , the crowd number were well down and probably cost the club £30k in revenue and why oh why did Cooper risk playing Nat when he was on 9 yellows and our best player Ranger when he was so important to have for this cup game if we were serious with our intent to get to Wembley.. In addition why did he send Storey out on loan when he did not have any strikers available for the bench. One bad decision you can live with, but this was an accumulation of errors that led to our downfall, despite the fact the starting 11 played very well last night and can not be faulted for their effort and a truly awful official who should be made to explain some of his decisions which were appalling. I would like to see Cooper man up and admit he got it wrong, but he won't, he always has an excuse and it's never his fault because of poor decision making. Rant over, time to move on and try to get through the remaining 15 games with 10 win, no yellow cards and injury free. COYR . old town robin

9:37am Tue 18 Feb 14

We are PANTS says...

Graham8181 wrote:
cooper 2 things cost us the game; 1. the referee 2. you deciding to change the formation after we went 1-0 up, we were doing well before that. I went home a very very very angry man last night and I very rarely get this worked up. you have no idea on tactics and that referee deserves never to referee again. they go down to 10 men and we have a penalty and hopefully go 2-0 up, it was so blatent. they had to rely on a mistake by us to get an opening. Peterborough are nothing. you cost us the game cooper and so did the referee end of
A small crowd, a mistake from a very young inexperienced, talented player and a shocking referee cost us the game. NOTHING else.
[quote][p][bold]Graham8181[/bold] wrote: cooper 2 things cost us the game; 1. the referee 2. you deciding to change the formation after we went 1-0 up, we were doing well before that. I went home a very very very angry man last night and I very rarely get this worked up. you have no idea on tactics and that referee deserves never to referee again. they go down to 10 men and we have a penalty and hopefully go 2-0 up, it was so blatent. they had to rely on a mistake by us to get an opening. Peterborough are nothing. you cost us the game cooper and so did the referee end of[/p][/quote]A small crowd, a mistake from a very young inexperienced, talented player and a shocking referee cost us the game. NOTHING else. We are PANTS

9:40am Tue 18 Feb 14

greenml says...

Last time at JP under Di Cannio everyone just said it was a tin pot competition. So nobody should be worried should they?

It does seem that if penalties are a lottery.... we are "unlucky" then.

I disagree they are though as otherwise Germany would have lost more than their 1st one right.

Reality seems to be our squad was stretched thin.....
Last time at JP under Di Cannio everyone just said it was a tin pot competition. So nobody should be worried should they? It does seem that if penalties are a lottery.... we are "unlucky" then. I disagree they are though as otherwise Germany would have lost more than their 1st one right. Reality seems to be our squad was stretched thin..... greenml

9:45am Tue 18 Feb 14

umpcah says...

greenml wrote:
Last time at JP under Di Cannio everyone just said it was a tin pot competition. So nobody should be worried should they?

It does seem that if penalties are a lottery.... we are "unlucky" then.

I disagree they are though as otherwise Germany would have lost more than their 1st one right.

Reality seems to be our squad was stretched thin.....
Losers usually claim that penalty shoot-outs are a lottery !
[quote][p][bold]greenml[/bold] wrote: Last time at JP under Di Cannio everyone just said it was a tin pot competition. So nobody should be worried should they? It does seem that if penalties are a lottery.... we are "unlucky" then. I disagree they are though as otherwise Germany would have lost more than their 1st one right. Reality seems to be our squad was stretched thin.....[/p][/quote]Losers usually claim that penalty shoot-outs are a lottery ! umpcah

9:50am Tue 18 Feb 14

Davethered says...

I just hope that one of those wayward penalties hit that person with the drum and broke it , what a horrible noise to sit and watch a match. Not so long ago you couldn't get in the ground if you had a can of drink in your pocket. Now they let idiots in with a drum. I'm afraid if he was sat near me he would end up wearing it . Can't go through that again.
I just hope that one of those wayward penalties hit that person with the drum and broke it , what a horrible noise to sit and watch a match. Not so long ago you couldn't get in the ground if you had a can of drink in your pocket. Now they let idiots in with a drum. I'm afraid if he was sat near me he would end up wearing it . Can't go through that again. Davethered

10:03am Tue 18 Feb 14

HB1908 says...

Coopers tactics are forever costing us this season. Having been to every game this season it is clear we have a manager who isn't get the best from the players we have. Last night was a great example, credit to him for starting 2 up top and we looked good for it. We had a balance with defence and attack and were well worth our lead at HT. I am then at a complete loss as to how he felt there was the need to change to 1 up front and sit deep to see the game out at 1-0. When at any point this season have we shown to be good enough to purposely plan to shut a team out, not to mention a team like Peterborough who don't struggle for goals. It showed complete tactically stupidity from Cooper and almost as if he gave no regard to our first half performance and felt that he has decided prior to the match to deploy these tactics if we had a lead at HT. Into the second half we should have carried on from where we were, looked for a second and kill the game!!! We had the momentum and were in the ascendency and his change in formation has completely killed that and gave Boro all the incentive to attack. Anybody who tries to soften the blow of last nights exit and claim we can now focus on play-offs,. don't waste your time. There is no chance that we will make the play-offs. He has shown to date that away from home he simply cant get it consistently right with his tactics and formation and yet that has been overshadowed because of our good form at home. I feel that he doesn't get the best out of the players collectively. I really feel we have some top top talent in our squad (good enough to be play-offs) but why are we falling short?!! Forget where we thought we might have been this season, the reality is, we are better than what we all thought we would be and therefore expectations and targets change accordingly. There are 2 major flaws to our game this season, conceding goals and our away form, both of which have not improved as the season has gone on, so you have to ask what is he doing? what is he improving? For me, we have our strengths which lies in our home games and our weakness are, conceding goals and our away form and that's it!!! I haven't seen anything to show that he has elevated the team individually or collectively as the season has gone on. There has been a degree in most players of improvement but that would always come naturally from playing more and gaining more experience but i don't think that of all. 2 players who currently frustrate me with how Coops is deploying them is Kassim and Luongo. At the start of the season there was a clear distinction and identify to their play and what role they played within the team, Yasser was notably our holding midfielder where he read the game well, tackled well and then when in possession of the ball had the awareness of what was around him and could back it up with his distribution of the ball. Luongo in contrast offered that aggression and creativity driving forward, at times when we were a little guilty of tippy-tappy football at the start of the season, he was prepared to run at opponents and cause problems, now he doesn't do that!!! when was the last time he scored?!!! But now neither of them contribute as they once did. Kassim is being deployed higher and Luongo deeper which for me means they are both playing in "no mans land", neither is defending, neither is attacking. Kassim is not as effective playing further forward because whilst technically he is as good as any, he's not a natural ball carrier who will commit and run past people in dangerous areas and at the same time Luongo just seems to be playing within himself and we are not seeing enough of him in the attacking 3rd as we should. The midfield set up needs to be addressed asap and until such time, we will continue to have our struggles. Most games at most levels of the game is decided by the midfield battle and when you have players like Luongo, Kassim, Louis, Mason, Harley all technically gifted, add to that the quality that pritchard holds, how on earth does this midfield not dominate games home and away more often that not. I'm not accepting the issue they're young, that's too easy an excuse, even though at times that will play a part. A better more experienced manager would get more from the players than Cooper is getting. Cooper is doing an ok job but no more and what would happen if we were all just doing an "ok" job at work, we would be being pushed to do more and be better. Cooper will not be here for the long haul because he simply isn't good enough tactically to last long term. His saving grace is that he has been given some exceptional individual players this season which in itself has taken us as far as we have. For me, he is a poor manager who has some really top players at his disposal but as said conceding goals has not improved, away form overall has not improved, even our home form now is wobbling. I hope i prove to wrong on all fronts by end of season but I wont!!! I love my club and want us to succeed and its so frustrating to see a manager not able to get the best out of players and to be so tactically inept.
Coopers tactics are forever costing us this season. Having been to every game this season it is clear we have a manager who isn't get the best from the players we have. Last night was a great example, credit to him for starting 2 up top and we looked good for it. We had a balance with defence and attack and were well worth our lead at HT. I am then at a complete loss as to how he felt there was the need to change to 1 up front and sit deep to see the game out at 1-0. When at any point this season have we shown to be good enough to purposely plan to shut a team out, not to mention a team like Peterborough who don't struggle for goals. It showed complete tactically stupidity from Cooper and almost as if he gave no regard to our first half performance and felt that he has decided prior to the match to deploy these tactics if we had a lead at HT. Into the second half we should have carried on from where we were, looked for a second and kill the game!!! We had the momentum and were in the ascendency and his change in formation has completely killed that and gave Boro all the incentive to attack. Anybody who tries to soften the blow of last nights exit and claim we can now focus on play-offs,. don't waste your time. There is no chance that we will make the play-offs. He has shown to date that away from home he simply cant get it consistently right with his tactics and formation and yet that has been overshadowed because of our good form at home. I feel that he doesn't get the best out of the players collectively. I really feel we have some top top talent in our squad (good enough to be play-offs) but why are we falling short?!! Forget where we thought we might have been this season, the reality is, we are better than what we all thought we would be and therefore expectations and targets change accordingly. There are 2 major flaws to our game this season, conceding goals and our away form, both of which have not improved as the season has gone on, so you have to ask what is he doing? what is he improving? For me, we have our strengths which lies in our home games and our weakness are, conceding goals and our away form and that's it!!! I haven't seen anything to show that he has elevated the team individually or collectively as the season has gone on. There has been a degree in most players of improvement but that would always come naturally from playing more and gaining more experience but i don't think that of all. 2 players who currently frustrate me with how Coops is deploying them is Kassim and Luongo. At the start of the season there was a clear distinction and identify to their play and what role they played within the team, Yasser was notably our holding midfielder where he read the game well, tackled well and then when in possession of the ball had the awareness of what was around him and could back it up with his distribution of the ball. Luongo in contrast offered that aggression and creativity driving forward, at times when we were a little guilty of tippy-tappy football at the start of the season, he was prepared to run at opponents and cause problems, now he doesn't do that!!! when was the last time he scored?!!! But now neither of them contribute as they once did. Kassim is being deployed higher and Luongo deeper which for me means they are both playing in "no mans land", neither is defending, neither is attacking. Kassim is not as effective playing further forward because whilst technically he is as good as any, he's not a natural ball carrier who will commit and run past people in dangerous areas and at the same time Luongo just seems to be playing within himself and we are not seeing enough of him in the attacking 3rd as we should. The midfield set up needs to be addressed asap and until such time, we will continue to have our struggles. Most games at most levels of the game is decided by the midfield battle and when you have players like Luongo, Kassim, Louis, Mason, Harley all technically gifted, add to that the quality that pritchard holds, how on earth does this midfield not dominate games home and away more often that not. I'm not accepting the issue they're young, that's too easy an excuse, even though at times that will play a part. A better more experienced manager would get more from the players than Cooper is getting. Cooper is doing an ok job but no more and what would happen if we were all just doing an "ok" job at work, we would be being pushed to do more and be better. Cooper will not be here for the long haul because he simply isn't good enough tactically to last long term. His saving grace is that he has been given some exceptional individual players this season which in itself has taken us as far as we have. For me, he is a poor manager who has some really top players at his disposal but as said conceding goals has not improved, away form overall has not improved, even our home form now is wobbling. I hope i prove to wrong on all fronts by end of season but I wont!!! I love my club and want us to succeed and its so frustrating to see a manager not able to get the best out of players and to be so tactically inept. HB1908

10:07am Tue 18 Feb 14

Robinonfire says...

Tactics Cooperman does it again (Andy King the 2nd)

Sends Storey out on loan ....taxi for Cooper.
Tactics Cooperman does it again (Andy King the 2nd) Sends Storey out on loan ....taxi for Cooper. Robinonfire

10:08am Tue 18 Feb 14

RedRich says...

Very disappointing to lose on pens again. When I saw who the ref was I thought it would be a bad night. Keith Stroud has "done us" a couple of times before, he bottled the N'Guessan pen decision as he would of had to send their player off. Having seen the i definite pen & the expression on the Peterborough guy's face shows he was expecting the worst.

I'm not surprised Luongo missed his pen with the awful "music"/noise coming from the PA system. Having that row playing takes away the atmosphere. Anyway biased SKY will be happy, as I notice their Chairman was a guest summarizer last night (& in the away match Mikail-Smith former Posh player was the summarizer).
Also, that ruddy drum of theirs was a nuisance & should not of been there, funny how on some of the home turnstiles it says that no musical instruments are not allowed.

Sour grapes?, yes, felted cheated? (again) yes,

Roll on Saturday, the league is more important.

COYR
Very disappointing to lose on pens again. When I saw who the ref was I thought it would be a bad night. Keith Stroud has "done us" a couple of times before, he bottled the N'Guessan pen decision as he would of had to send their player off. Having seen the i definite pen & the expression on the Peterborough guy's face shows he was expecting the worst. I'm not surprised Luongo missed his pen with the awful "music"/noise coming from the PA system. Having that row playing takes away the atmosphere. Anyway biased SKY will be happy, as I notice their Chairman was a guest summarizer last night (& in the away match Mikail-Smith former Posh player was the summarizer). Also, that ruddy drum of theirs was a nuisance & should not of been there, funny how on some of the home turnstiles it says that no musical instruments are not allowed. Sour grapes?, yes, felted cheated? (again) yes, Roll on Saturday, the league is more important. COYR RedRich

10:12am Tue 18 Feb 14

London Red says...

old town robin wrote:
chrystovski wrote: I don't normally criticise Cooper and up until this point I haven't felt the need to but I think he got it badly wrong in the 2nd half last night. Firstly we should never have sat so deep hoping one goal would be enough, with the firepower Boro have we were always going to need to score at least 2. We were trying to hold onto a one goal lead for 45 minutes, far too much respect was paid to them. A 2nd goal for us would have killed the tie and sometimes the best form of defence is attack. Secondly he should have made changes at the 60 minute mark. We started to look really tired quite early into the 2nd half as Posh began to take a stranglehold on the game but instead he waited and waited and waited until the inevitable happened, they scored and then he made 2 changes! You don't need to have coaching badges to work out that had been coming. Cannot fault the players effort they really did the club proud, penalties are a lottery so no blame attached to Mass or Tijane either, just wish it was us going to Wembley instead as I cannot see us going via the playoffs.
Chrystov, we did concede 75% of possession second half, but only for just over 1/2 an hour, after conceding we tried to get back in the last 10 minutes to how we played first half. but the momentum was gone as tired legs took their toll. As you say poor poor tactics, when we played them in the league we did exactly the same and sat back in the second half and I think most who were there for that game would agree we were lucky to get away with it. Ferguson is shrewd and read Coopers attempted tactics like a book which is not too hard to do for someone who lacks nous. Most managers make tactical substitutions around 65 minute. Cooper almost always waits until after 80 minutes, which as far as I can remember only worked once for him when Storey destroyed Coventry. In fairness last night I was not surprised he waited until so late to make changes because our bench was so weak with no recognised striker available. Our beautiful pitch is pretty cut up now having played 2 games in 3 days. Why we tried so hard to get the game played on Friday in hindsight was a bad decision, not only were the conditions as bad as I have ever seen football played in , the crowd number were well down and probably cost the club £30k in revenue and why oh why did Cooper risk playing Nat when he was on 9 yellows and our best player Ranger when he was so important to have for this cup game if we were serious with our intent to get to Wembley.. In addition why did he send Storey out on loan when he did not have any strikers available for the bench. One bad decision you can live with, but this was an accumulation of errors that led to our downfall, despite the fact the starting 11 played very well last night and can not be faulted for their effort and a truly awful official who should be made to explain some of his decisions which were appalling. I would like to see Cooper man up and admit he got it wrong, but he won't, he always has an excuse and it's never his fault because of poor decision making. Rant over, time to move on and try to get through the remaining 15 games with 10 win, no yellow cards and injury free. COYR .
Wasn't Cooper slated for playing a weaker team against Oldham in favour of the JPT?
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Now people are complaining he played his first team and risked them ahead of the JPT!!!!!!!
[quote][p][bold]old town robin[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]chrystovski[/bold] wrote: I don't normally criticise Cooper and up until this point I haven't felt the need to but I think he got it badly wrong in the 2nd half last night. Firstly we should never have sat so deep hoping one goal would be enough, with the firepower Boro have we were always going to need to score at least 2. We were trying to hold onto a one goal lead for 45 minutes, far too much respect was paid to them. A 2nd goal for us would have killed the tie and sometimes the best form of defence is attack. Secondly he should have made changes at the 60 minute mark. We started to look really tired quite early into the 2nd half as Posh began to take a stranglehold on the game but instead he waited and waited and waited until the inevitable happened, they scored and then he made 2 changes! You don't need to have coaching badges to work out that had been coming. Cannot fault the players effort they really did the club proud, penalties are a lottery so no blame attached to Mass or Tijane either, just wish it was us going to Wembley instead as I cannot see us going via the playoffs.[/p][/quote]Chrystov, we did concede 75% of possession second half, but only for just over 1/2 an hour, after conceding we tried to get back in the last 10 minutes to how we played first half. but the momentum was gone as tired legs took their toll. As you say poor poor tactics, when we played them in the league we did exactly the same and sat back in the second half and I think most who were there for that game would agree we were lucky to get away with it. Ferguson is shrewd and read Coopers attempted tactics like a book which is not too hard to do for someone who lacks nous. Most managers make tactical substitutions around 65 minute. Cooper almost always waits until after 80 minutes, which as far as I can remember only worked once for him when Storey destroyed Coventry. In fairness last night I was not surprised he waited until so late to make changes because our bench was so weak with no recognised striker available. Our beautiful pitch is pretty cut up now having played 2 games in 3 days. Why we tried so hard to get the game played on Friday in hindsight was a bad decision, not only were the conditions as bad as I have ever seen football played in , the crowd number were well down and probably cost the club £30k in revenue and why oh why did Cooper risk playing Nat when he was on 9 yellows and our best player Ranger when he was so important to have for this cup game if we were serious with our intent to get to Wembley.. In addition why did he send Storey out on loan when he did not have any strikers available for the bench. One bad decision you can live with, but this was an accumulation of errors that led to our downfall, despite the fact the starting 11 played very well last night and can not be faulted for their effort and a truly awful official who should be made to explain some of his decisions which were appalling. I would like to see Cooper man up and admit he got it wrong, but he won't, he always has an excuse and it's never his fault because of poor decision making. Rant over, time to move on and try to get through the remaining 15 games with 10 win, no yellow cards and injury free. COYR .[/p][/quote]Wasn't Cooper slated for playing a weaker team against Oldham in favour of the JPT? . Now people are complaining he played his first team and risked them ahead of the JPT!!!!!!! London Red

10:13am Tue 18 Feb 14

lifelong red says...

smirg kcab wrote:
Old McDonald and cooper has cost this club thousands£ lost revenue.
Hope reis never puts a town shirt on again, he turned down many clubs to take a pen like that lol. Mind you fair play to him he was the only one who put his pen where he wanted it go.
Felt sorry for gladwin after cooper destroyed his career playing him as a forward
What a silly post - were you p..ssed when you posted this.
[quote][p][bold]smirg kcab[/bold] wrote: Old McDonald and cooper has cost this club thousands£ lost revenue. Hope reis never puts a town shirt on again, he turned down many clubs to take a pen like that lol. Mind you fair play to him he was the only one who put his pen where he wanted it go. Felt sorry for gladwin after cooper destroyed his career playing him as a forward[/p][/quote]What a silly post - were you p..ssed when you posted this. lifelong red

10:13am Tue 18 Feb 14

lifelong red says...

smirg kcab wrote:
Old McDonald and cooper has cost this club thousands£ lost revenue.
Hope reis never puts a town shirt on again, he turned down many clubs to take a pen like that lol. Mind you fair play to him he was the only one who put his pen where he wanted it go.
Felt sorry for gladwin after cooper destroyed his career playing him as a forward
What a silly post - were you p..ssed when you posted this.
[quote][p][bold]smirg kcab[/bold] wrote: Old McDonald and cooper has cost this club thousands£ lost revenue. Hope reis never puts a town shirt on again, he turned down many clubs to take a pen like that lol. Mind you fair play to him he was the only one who put his pen where he wanted it go. Felt sorry for gladwin after cooper destroyed his career playing him as a forward[/p][/quote]What a silly post - were you p..ssed when you posted this. lifelong red

10:21am Tue 18 Feb 14

sagadude says...

Cricklade Reds wrote:
Miles Storey being out on loan as cost us dearly. Poor management shown by Power. Time to stop papering over the cracks.
Too true Cricklade, but most on here fail to see it.

Both Di Canio and Cooper should have spotted both Miles and Luke's potential and kept on playing them. This is what a good manager has the experience to do.

It looks like they are just picking on the kids and not letting them break through.

Season over now.
[quote][p][bold]Cricklade Reds[/bold] wrote: Miles Storey being out on loan as cost us dearly. Poor management shown by Power. Time to stop papering over the cracks.[/p][/quote]Too true Cricklade, but most on here fail to see it. Both Di Canio and Cooper should have spotted both Miles and Luke's potential and kept on playing them. This is what a good manager has the experience to do. It looks like they are just picking on the kids and not letting them break through. Season over now. sagadude

10:29am Tue 18 Feb 14

sagadude says...

We are PANTS wrote:
Well done to the loyal 6,300 Swindon fans last night for trying to lift the players by being the 12th man.. Shame about the armchair supporters who watched it at home yet still have the gaul to come on here slating the management and team... Do us loyals a favour and move up the A420 some 30 odd miles...
Yeah well, those certain armchair fans are the ones that have watched the Town for over twenty years and are fed up with the same old poor management.

Last nights game would not have been lost with Hoddle and the same squad.

We are annoyed that Power does not even seek the opportunity to talk to Hoddle at least, and then replace Cooper who is doing his best but has not the tactical skills and experience to get this club no further than the position they are in now.

It is not all about money as other teams managers have proven.

I have had more season tickets than all you lot out together. Open your eyes.
[quote][p][bold]We are PANTS[/bold] wrote: Well done to the loyal 6,300 Swindon fans last night for trying to lift the players by being the 12th man.. Shame about the armchair supporters who watched it at home yet still have the gaul to come on here slating the management and team... Do us loyals a favour and move up the A420 some 30 odd miles...[/p][/quote]Yeah well, those certain armchair fans are the ones that have watched the Town for over twenty years and are fed up with the same old poor management. Last nights game would not have been lost with Hoddle and the same squad. We are annoyed that Power does not even seek the opportunity to talk to Hoddle at least, and then replace Cooper who is doing his best but has not the tactical skills and experience to get this club no further than the position they are in now. It is not all about money as other teams managers have proven. I have had more season tickets than all you lot out together. Open your eyes. sagadude

10:39am Tue 18 Feb 14

jillyh says...

Time for a reality check. We are not the side some fans think. Certainly nextseason wwe will have a depleted side with the likes of Pritchard and the other loanees moving on. With the season ticket prices being just announced I really don't think we can afford to renew as live outside Swindon. Very concerned for the future of our club
Time for a reality check. We are not the side some fans think. Certainly nextseason wwe will have a depleted side with the likes of Pritchard and the other loanees moving on. With the season ticket prices being just announced I really don't think we can afford to renew as live outside Swindon. Very concerned for the future of our club jillyh

10:43am Tue 18 Feb 14

London Red says...

RedRich wrote:
Very disappointing to lose on pens again. When I saw who the ref was I thought it would be a bad night. Keith Stroud has "done us" a couple of times before, he bottled the N'Guessan pen decision as he would of had to send their player off. Having seen the i definite pen & the expression on the Peterborough guy's face shows he was expecting the worst. I'm not surprised Luongo missed his pen with the awful "music"/noise coming from the PA system. Having that row playing takes away the atmosphere. Anyway biased SKY will be happy, as I notice their Chairman was a guest summarizer last night (& in the away match Mikail-Smith former Posh player was the summarizer). Also, that ruddy drum of theirs was a nuisance & should not of been there, funny how on some of the home turnstiles it says that no musical instruments are not allowed. Sour grapes?, yes, felted cheated? (again) yes, Roll on Saturday, the league is more important. COYR
To be fair the Posh Chairman is a good bloke and was totally unbiased - he said it was a blatent pen and that we deserved our lead at HT - can't ask for much more than that really
[quote][p][bold]RedRich[/bold] wrote: Very disappointing to lose on pens again. When I saw who the ref was I thought it would be a bad night. Keith Stroud has "done us" a couple of times before, he bottled the N'Guessan pen decision as he would of had to send their player off. Having seen the i definite pen & the expression on the Peterborough guy's face shows he was expecting the worst. I'm not surprised Luongo missed his pen with the awful "music"/noise coming from the PA system. Having that row playing takes away the atmosphere. Anyway biased SKY will be happy, as I notice their Chairman was a guest summarizer last night (& in the away match Mikail-Smith former Posh player was the summarizer). Also, that ruddy drum of theirs was a nuisance & should not of been there, funny how on some of the home turnstiles it says that no musical instruments are not allowed. Sour grapes?, yes, felted cheated? (again) yes, Roll on Saturday, the league is more important. COYR[/p][/quote]To be fair the Posh Chairman is a good bloke and was totally unbiased - he said it was a blatent pen and that we deserved our lead at HT - can't ask for much more than that really London Red

10:47am Tue 18 Feb 14

London Red says...

sagadude wrote:
We are PANTS wrote: Well done to the loyal 6,300 Swindon fans last night for trying to lift the players by being the 12th man.. Shame about the armchair supporters who watched it at home yet still have the gaul to come on here slating the management and team... Do us loyals a favour and move up the A420 some 30 odd miles...
Yeah well, those certain armchair fans are the ones that have watched the Town for over twenty years and are fed up with the same old poor management. Last nights game would not have been lost with Hoddle and the same squad. We are annoyed that Power does not even seek the opportunity to talk to Hoddle at least, and then replace Cooper who is doing his best but has not the tactical skills and experience to get this club no further than the position they are in now. It is not all about money as other teams managers have proven. I have had more season tickets than all you lot out together. Open your eyes.
What planet do you live on - Hoddle!
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What next talk to Sir Alex Ferguson now hes out of work!
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Get real - we are a L1 side who no longer are backed by a multi multi multi millionaire - there is no way on earth we could afford anyone like Hoddle
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Even if we could who says he wants to come back to Swindon in L1 - there was talking about going back to Spurs only a few weeeks ago before they went with Sherwood
[quote][p][bold]sagadude[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]We are PANTS[/bold] wrote: Well done to the loyal 6,300 Swindon fans last night for trying to lift the players by being the 12th man.. Shame about the armchair supporters who watched it at home yet still have the gaul to come on here slating the management and team... Do us loyals a favour and move up the A420 some 30 odd miles...[/p][/quote]Yeah well, those certain armchair fans are the ones that have watched the Town for over twenty years and are fed up with the same old poor management. Last nights game would not have been lost with Hoddle and the same squad. We are annoyed that Power does not even seek the opportunity to talk to Hoddle at least, and then replace Cooper who is doing his best but has not the tactical skills and experience to get this club no further than the position they are in now. It is not all about money as other teams managers have proven. I have had more season tickets than all you lot out together. Open your eyes.[/p][/quote]What planet do you live on - Hoddle! . What next talk to Sir Alex Ferguson now hes out of work! . Get real - we are a L1 side who no longer are backed by a multi multi multi millionaire - there is no way on earth we could afford anyone like Hoddle . Even if we could who says he wants to come back to Swindon in L1 - there was talking about going back to Spurs only a few weeeks ago before they went with Sherwood London Red

10:51am Tue 18 Feb 14

London Red says...

jillyh wrote:
Time for a reality check. We are not the side some fans think. Certainly nextseason wwe will have a depleted side with the likes of Pritchard and the other loanees moving on. With the season ticket prices being just announced I really don't think we can afford to renew as live outside Swindon. Very concerned for the future of our club
Pritchard is the only loanee who has been playing recently - yes he will be a loss if we do not get him back - as any good loanee is - same as when we lost Danny Ward- but him going will hardly leave us depleted
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That was Murphy's first start and was due to Ranger and Smith both being out - I wouldn't be surprised if he is back on the bench on Sat
[quote][p][bold]jillyh[/bold] wrote: Time for a reality check. We are not the side some fans think. Certainly nextseason wwe will have a depleted side with the likes of Pritchard and the other loanees moving on. With the season ticket prices being just announced I really don't think we can afford to renew as live outside Swindon. Very concerned for the future of our club[/p][/quote]Pritchard is the only loanee who has been playing recently - yes he will be a loss if we do not get him back - as any good loanee is - same as when we lost Danny Ward- but him going will hardly leave us depleted . That was Murphy's first start and was due to Ranger and Smith both being out - I wouldn't be surprised if he is back on the bench on Sat London Red

11:02am Tue 18 Feb 14

stfcdod says...

sagadude wrote:
We are PANTS wrote:
Well done to the loyal 6,300 Swindon fans last night for trying to lift the players by being the 12th man.. Shame about the armchair supporters who watched it at home yet still have the gaul to come on here slating the management and team... Do us loyals a favour and move up the A420 some 30 odd miles...
Yeah well, those certain armchair fans are the ones that have watched the Town for over twenty years and are fed up with the same old poor management.

Last nights game would not have been lost with Hoddle and the same squad.

We are annoyed that Power does not even seek the opportunity to talk to Hoddle at least, and then replace Cooper who is doing his best but has not the tactical skills and experience to get this club no further than the position they are in now.

It is not all about money as other teams managers have proven.

I have had more season tickets than all you lot out together. Open your eyes.
Sagadude..........yo
u say that 'We are annoyed that Power does not even seek the opportunity to talk to Hoddle at least'. You then go on to say, 'It is not all about money'.
Please make your mind up.
[quote][p][bold]sagadude[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]We are PANTS[/bold] wrote: Well done to the loyal 6,300 Swindon fans last night for trying to lift the players by being the 12th man.. Shame about the armchair supporters who watched it at home yet still have the gaul to come on here slating the management and team... Do us loyals a favour and move up the A420 some 30 odd miles...[/p][/quote]Yeah well, those certain armchair fans are the ones that have watched the Town for over twenty years and are fed up with the same old poor management. Last nights game would not have been lost with Hoddle and the same squad. We are annoyed that Power does not even seek the opportunity to talk to Hoddle at least, and then replace Cooper who is doing his best but has not the tactical skills and experience to get this club no further than the position they are in now. It is not all about money as other teams managers have proven. I have had more season tickets than all you lot out together. Open your eyes.[/p][/quote]Sagadude..........yo u say that 'We are annoyed that Power does not even seek the opportunity to talk to Hoddle at least'. You then go on to say, 'It is not all about money'. Please make your mind up. stfcdod

11:22am Tue 18 Feb 14

Swindon1984 says...

Sat back to see the first half out which was fair enough. Unfortunately sat back too much second half, against a team who have scored more goals than any other in the fooball league. Nearly paid off mind, and if we had have won on penalties I doubt anyone would be moaning, and would instead be praising Cooper's tactical astuteness. Makes me laugh really, it's easy in hindsight to slate the manager. A draw in both games was the right result all things considered - first game two own goals, last night each side gifted a goal to the other.

Key points for me -

Penalty not given, posh player would have had to be sent off.

Murphy playing the ball back when he should have cleared, or at least communicated better where the ball was to be passed.

Penalties speak for themselves.

For those criticising Branco, he didn't have a perfect game by any means but remember if he hadn't cleverly stepped up playing the posh striker offisde second half we would have lost it in 90 minutes rather than on penalties.

Reis I wouldn't be too hard on - it was an awful penalty, could tell the way he pigeon stepped up the ball it wasn't going in, but he'll be feeling bad enough as it is.

Ultimately it's disappointing but some getting too worked up are doing the lads a disservice, they showed grit and determination, played well during the game with a weakened team (two full backs and both first choice strikers out) and still gave a good account of themselves.

Was expecting more to focus on the positives than launch into a tirrade against the players and manager. Some will use this to justify not going to the county ground for the rest of the season, and why they haven't been this season to date either, preferring to bad mouth the club from behind the safety of a computer screen and a locked door. Whatever helps you sleep at night. I went to sleep last night disappointed but proud that they'd given all they could and didn't disgrace themselves by any means. And will still be attending home and away, cheering on my team. That's what it's all about at the end of the day - win, lose or draw, you either want to support the club or you don't, end of story. COYR.
Sat back to see the first half out which was fair enough. Unfortunately sat back too much second half, against a team who have scored more goals than any other in the fooball league. Nearly paid off mind, and if we had have won on penalties I doubt anyone would be moaning, and would instead be praising Cooper's tactical astuteness. Makes me laugh really, it's easy in hindsight to slate the manager. A draw in both games was the right result all things considered - first game two own goals, last night each side gifted a goal to the other. Key points for me - Penalty not given, posh player would have had to be sent off. Murphy playing the ball back when he should have cleared, or at least communicated better where the ball was to be passed. Penalties speak for themselves. For those criticising Branco, he didn't have a perfect game by any means but remember if he hadn't cleverly stepped up playing the posh striker offisde second half we would have lost it in 90 minutes rather than on penalties. Reis I wouldn't be too hard on - it was an awful penalty, could tell the way he pigeon stepped up the ball it wasn't going in, but he'll be feeling bad enough as it is. Ultimately it's disappointing but some getting too worked up are doing the lads a disservice, they showed grit and determination, played well during the game with a weakened team (two full backs and both first choice strikers out) and still gave a good account of themselves. Was expecting more to focus on the positives than launch into a tirrade against the players and manager. Some will use this to justify not going to the county ground for the rest of the season, and why they haven't been this season to date either, preferring to bad mouth the club from behind the safety of a computer screen and a locked door. Whatever helps you sleep at night. I went to sleep last night disappointed but proud that they'd given all they could and didn't disgrace themselves by any means. And will still be attending home and away, cheering on my team. That's what it's all about at the end of the day - win, lose or draw, you either want to support the club or you don't, end of story. COYR. Swindon1984

11:24am Tue 18 Feb 14

Oxon-Red says...

Couple of points:

1. Miles was loaned out before the injury to Nile when the striker shortage was not an issue.
2. In the last 10 minutes of the 1st half Posh were having a lot of success attacking down the right hand side. Second half they were nowhere near as successful in that area. Bad tactics to snuff out the very live threat they were posing ?

COYMR
Couple of points: 1. Miles was loaned out before the injury to Nile when the striker shortage was not an issue. 2. In the last 10 minutes of the 1st half Posh were having a lot of success attacking down the right hand side. Second half they were nowhere near as successful in that area. Bad tactics to snuff out the very live threat they were posing ? COYMR Oxon-Red

11:25am Tue 18 Feb 14

We are PANTS says...

sagadude wrote:
We are PANTS wrote:
Well done to the loyal 6,300 Swindon fans last night for trying to lift the players by being the 12th man.. Shame about the armchair supporters who watched it at home yet still have the gaul to come on here slating the management and team... Do us loyals a favour and move up the A420 some 30 odd miles...
Yeah well, those certain armchair fans are the ones that have watched the Town for over twenty years and are fed up with the same old poor management.

Last nights game would not have been lost with Hoddle and the same squad.

We are annoyed that Power does not even seek the opportunity to talk to Hoddle at least, and then replace Cooper who is doing his best but has not the tactical skills and experience to get this club no further than the position they are in now.

It is not all about money as other teams managers have proven.

I have had more season tickets than all you lot out together. Open your eyes.
Let's not play the "I've been going longer than you" game... I would embarrass you!! The truth is the support was shocking and if in deed you didn't go because your fed up with the management can you honestly call yourself loyal?? Another 3000 "town fans" there last night would have made a huge difference when the players legs went.. Valid point??
[quote][p][bold]sagadude[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]We are PANTS[/bold] wrote: Well done to the loyal 6,300 Swindon fans last night for trying to lift the players by being the 12th man.. Shame about the armchair supporters who watched it at home yet still have the gaul to come on here slating the management and team... Do us loyals a favour and move up the A420 some 30 odd miles...[/p][/quote]Yeah well, those certain armchair fans are the ones that have watched the Town for over twenty years and are fed up with the same old poor management. Last nights game would not have been lost with Hoddle and the same squad. We are annoyed that Power does not even seek the opportunity to talk to Hoddle at least, and then replace Cooper who is doing his best but has not the tactical skills and experience to get this club no further than the position they are in now. It is not all about money as other teams managers have proven. I have had more season tickets than all you lot out together. Open your eyes.[/p][/quote]Let's not play the "I've been going longer than you" game... I would embarrass you!! The truth is the support was shocking and if in deed you didn't go because your fed up with the management can you honestly call yourself loyal?? Another 3000 "town fans" there last night would have made a huge difference when the players legs went.. Valid point?? We are PANTS

11:47am Tue 18 Feb 14

jillyh says...

Some people missing the point here. I am glad you have the money to see what I can only describe as a mediocre side and shambles of management. This feels all too familiar to me as seen too many times how poor management has ruined everything. Speaking only for myself I cannot afford it. Also before you accuse me of being an armchair supporter I live too far out to get radio coverage.
Some people missing the point here. I am glad you have the money to see what I can only describe as a mediocre side and shambles of management. This feels all too familiar to me as seen too many times how poor management has ruined everything. Speaking only for myself I cannot afford it. Also before you accuse me of being an armchair supporter I live too far out to get radio coverage. jillyh

11:55am Tue 18 Feb 14

themoonraker says...

Cookie43 wrote:
We are PANTS wrote:
Well done to the loyal 6,300 Swindon fans last night for trying to lift the players by being the 12th man.. Shame about the armchair supporters who watched it at home yet still have the gaul to come on here slating the management and team... Do us loyals a favour and move up the A420 some 30 odd miles...
Here here Spot on that man!!
..........I'm afraid to say that it is comments like that, from a$$holes like you that stop 'the armchair fans'from coming along.
No doubt you are two of the 'fans' who ridicule newcomers whern they attend for not having your in depth knowledge of our team........sorry but I think if you two ( and others with the same patronising attitude ) were to ''move up the A420 some 30 odd miles'' we may actually gain more fans once they know that they wil not be verbally abused for not having attended more games.
Oh how good you both must feel having given yourselfs the accolade of 'true fans' your self praise shows how opinionated and self important you both deem yourselfs to be!
[quote][p][bold]Cookie43[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]We are PANTS[/bold] wrote: Well done to the loyal 6,300 Swindon fans last night for trying to lift the players by being the 12th man.. Shame about the armchair supporters who watched it at home yet still have the gaul to come on here slating the management and team... Do us loyals a favour and move up the A420 some 30 odd miles...[/p][/quote]Here here Spot on that man!![/p][/quote]..........I'm afraid to say that it is comments like that, from a$$holes like you that stop 'the armchair fans'from coming along. No doubt you are two of the 'fans' who ridicule newcomers whern they attend for not having your in depth knowledge of our team........sorry but I think if you two ( and others with the same patronising attitude ) were to ''move up the A420 some 30 odd miles'' we may actually gain more fans once they know that they wil not be verbally abused for not having attended more games. Oh how good you both must feel having given yourselfs the accolade of 'true fans' your self praise shows how opinionated and self important you both deem yourselfs to be! themoonraker

11:59am Tue 18 Feb 14

Swindon1984 says...

We are PANTS wrote:
sagadude wrote:
We are PANTS wrote: Well done to the loyal 6,300 Swindon fans last night for trying to lift the players by being the 12th man.. Shame about the armchair supporters who watched it at home yet still have the gaul to come on here slating the management and team... Do us loyals a favour and move up the A420 some 30 odd miles...
Yeah well, those certain armchair fans are the ones that have watched the Town for over twenty years and are fed up with the same old poor management. Last nights game would not have been lost with Hoddle and the same squad. We are annoyed that Power does not even seek the opportunity to talk to Hoddle at least, and then replace Cooper who is doing his best but has not the tactical skills and experience to get this club no further than the position they are in now. It is not all about money as other teams managers have proven. I have had more season tickets than all you lot out together. Open your eyes.
Let's not play the "I've been going longer than you" game... I would embarrass you!! The truth is the support was shocking and if in deed you didn't go because your fed up with the management can you honestly call yourself loyal?? Another 3000 "town fans" there last night would have made a huge difference when the players legs went.. Valid point??
Wouldn't say the support was shocking, not a big turnout but it was quality rather than quantity, made a decent noise and managed to outsing that ******* drum from Peterborough for the majority of the game - I said the last time we played them at home I'm sure they only bring that thing to mask the fact they can't generate any vocal support. For that reason alone I don't relish another year where we play them four times in the one season.

I would agree with you though, there's a certain contradiction with people saying they're staying away due to poor management, sounds like an excuse to me. If people were really boycotting as a point of principle, why still watch the match at all? If they're watching at home when they could attend with no trouble, isn't that just getting to see your team play for free, and saving some effort?

Wherever someone wants to watch a game from it's up to them (I was watching the first leg in a pub in Stafford as I was working away), but just be honest about it. If someone living in or near Swindon who's a town supporter watched on TV when they could have gone last night, it's not for any ideological reason, it's because they can't be bothered. And that's fine, people can do whatever they want. Just don't come on here slagging off the players/manager/club and then claim you didn't go because you're taking a stand.

sagadude - the Hoddle thing baffles me, the man brought us enough success to put himself in the shop window, then dropped us at the first opportunity. "Last nights game would not have been lost with Hoddle and the same squad." You can't make that claim, and it's irrelevant. Hoddle's not here. We have the chairman/manager/pla
yers that we have - you can either get on board with them or stay away from the county ground as you chose to do. But in my book if you cease to support the club in any tangible way, any opinion on performances loses a lot of credence.
[quote][p][bold]We are PANTS[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]sagadude[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]We are PANTS[/bold] wrote: Well done to the loyal 6,300 Swindon fans last night for trying to lift the players by being the 12th man.. Shame about the armchair supporters who watched it at home yet still have the gaul to come on here slating the management and team... Do us loyals a favour and move up the A420 some 30 odd miles...[/p][/quote]Yeah well, those certain armchair fans are the ones that have watched the Town for over twenty years and are fed up with the same old poor management. Last nights game would not have been lost with Hoddle and the same squad. We are annoyed that Power does not even seek the opportunity to talk to Hoddle at least, and then replace Cooper who is doing his best but has not the tactical skills and experience to get this club no further than the position they are in now. It is not all about money as other teams managers have proven. I have had more season tickets than all you lot out together. Open your eyes.[/p][/quote]Let's not play the "I've been going longer than you" game... I would embarrass you!! The truth is the support was shocking and if in deed you didn't go because your fed up with the management can you honestly call yourself loyal?? Another 3000 "town fans" there last night would have made a huge difference when the players legs went.. Valid point??[/p][/quote]Wouldn't say the support was shocking, not a big turnout but it was quality rather than quantity, made a decent noise and managed to outsing that ******* drum from Peterborough for the majority of the game - I said the last time we played them at home I'm sure they only bring that thing to mask the fact they can't generate any vocal support. For that reason alone I don't relish another year where we play them four times in the one season. I would agree with you though, there's a certain contradiction with people saying they're staying away due to poor management, sounds like an excuse to me. If people were really boycotting as a point of principle, why still watch the match at all? If they're watching at home when they could attend with no trouble, isn't that just getting to see your team play for free, and saving some effort? Wherever someone wants to watch a game from it's up to them (I was watching the first leg in a pub in Stafford as I was working away), but just be honest about it. If someone living in or near Swindon who's a town supporter watched on TV when they could have gone last night, it's not for any ideological reason, it's because they can't be bothered. And that's fine, people can do whatever they want. Just don't come on here slagging off the players/manager/club and then claim you didn't go because you're taking a stand. sagadude - the Hoddle thing baffles me, the man brought us enough success to put himself in the shop window, then dropped us at the first opportunity. "Last nights game would not have been lost with Hoddle and the same squad." You can't make that claim, and it's irrelevant. Hoddle's not here. We have the chairman/manager/pla yers that we have - you can either get on board with them or stay away from the county ground as you chose to do. But in my book if you cease to support the club in any tangible way, any opinion on performances loses a lot of credence. Swindon1984

12:02pm Tue 18 Feb 14

stfcflag says...

Gutted on both fronts but good game and good fight from the club. Hopefully we can pull Miles back from his loan now to cover Rangers absence if at all possible. Onwards and upwards ...
Gutted on both fronts but good game and good fight from the club. Hopefully we can pull Miles back from his loan now to cover Rangers absence if at all possible. Onwards and upwards ... stfcflag

12:05pm Tue 18 Feb 14

harley red says...

GiulianoGrazioli wrote:
there's a lot of negativity on here again, but let's be straight about this.

- Rossi Branco - Looked half-asleep the entire game to me, was watching Darren and Troy continually shout at him to push out to the right more... Pritchard didn't look happy about having to mark 2-3 players because of that space...he had some good heads of the ball but that was about it. I think he looked completely out of his depth.

- First-Half was very good, we looked promising and it was entertaining. That was probably one of the worst referees I have ever witnessed.... 'Keith Stroud' rememebr that name, he didn't really have any clue whatsoever, kept awarding each team opposite decisions... I'd love to hear from the FA about his standard of refereeing?

- Gladwin going up front - Well, we knew this was a possibility from looking at the bench, no options - you' think Barker would have made the bench at least or Waldon if he was back? - Big mistake this was, and Storey had he been here could have had a good chance. I rubbish Cooper's respone of 'We have Michael Smith' - keep Playing N'Guessan up top but I would feel we are lightweight upfront now... Rory Fallon just signed for Carlisle - I did like Rory, probably because of that overhead kick though.

- We looked like we were settling for a 1-0 win, with 25-30 mins of the game left (massive no-no!!!) once again they switched off...

- Troy was good, and i'm really pleased for him that he has revived his career and is getting through games.

Let's not be too bitter - there had to be a winner, whilst the referee was absolute codswallops...the mistake by Murphy and Tijane's horrifying body posture standing over that penalty...a lot has been learnt, and we can focus on a play-off push now. It's going to be tough - but lets get behind the team and show our support! COYR!
Playoffs your having a laugh , with cooper in charge mid table best . I hope I'm wrong but we have got to hit a wining streak and I don't think we are good enough . With ranger out we are back to one striker and not the 4-4-2 that got us are last few good results . Going out on pens is a horrible way to loose but that is how it's meant to be .
[quote][p][bold]GiulianoGrazioli[/bold] wrote: there's a lot of negativity on here again, but let's be straight about this. - Rossi Branco - Looked half-asleep the entire game to me, was watching Darren and Troy continually shout at him to push out to the right more... Pritchard didn't look happy about having to mark 2-3 players because of that space...he had some good heads of the ball but that was about it. I think he looked completely out of his depth. - First-Half was very good, we looked promising and it was entertaining. That was probably one of the worst referees I have ever witnessed.... 'Keith Stroud' rememebr that name, he didn't really have any clue whatsoever, kept awarding each team opposite decisions... I'd love to hear from the FA about his standard of refereeing? - Gladwin going up front - Well, we knew this was a possibility from looking at the bench, no options - you' think Barker would have made the bench at least or Waldon if he was back? - Big mistake this was, and Storey had he been here could have had a good chance. I rubbish Cooper's respone of 'We have Michael Smith' - keep Playing N'Guessan up top but I would feel we are lightweight upfront now... Rory Fallon just signed for Carlisle - I did like Rory, probably because of that overhead kick though. - We looked like we were settling for a 1-0 win, with 25-30 mins of the game left (massive no-no!!!) once again they switched off... - Troy was good, and i'm really pleased for him that he has revived his career and is getting through games. Let's not be too bitter - there had to be a winner, whilst the referee was absolute codswallops...the mistake by Murphy and Tijane's horrifying body posture standing over that penalty...a lot has been learnt, and we can focus on a play-off push now. It's going to be tough - but lets get behind the team and show our support! COYR![/p][/quote]Playoffs your having a laugh , with cooper in charge mid table best . I hope I'm wrong but we have got to hit a wining streak and I don't think we are good enough . With ranger out we are back to one striker and not the 4-4-2 that got us are last few good results . Going out on pens is a horrible way to loose but that is how it's meant to be . harley red

12:05pm Tue 18 Feb 14

Swindon1984 says...

jillyh wrote:
Some people missing the point here. I am glad you have the money to see what I can only describe as a mediocre side and shambles of management. This feels all too familiar to me as seen too many times how poor management has ruined everything. Speaking only for myself I cannot afford it. Also before you accuse me of being an armchair supporter I live too far out to get radio coverage.
Kind of ties in to my last point - if you think the team and management are a shambles and are choosing to stay away for that reason, why feel the need to comment on it? Also, if by your own admission you're not seeing your team play, how can you call them a shambles? Does no-one else see the irony here??
[quote][p][bold]jillyh[/bold] wrote: Some people missing the point here. I am glad you have the money to see what I can only describe as a mediocre side and shambles of management. This feels all too familiar to me as seen too many times how poor management has ruined everything. Speaking only for myself I cannot afford it. Also before you accuse me of being an armchair supporter I live too far out to get radio coverage.[/p][/quote]Kind of ties in to my last point - if you think the team and management are a shambles and are choosing to stay away for that reason, why feel the need to comment on it? Also, if by your own admission you're not seeing your team play, how can you call them a shambles? Does no-one else see the irony here?? Swindon1984

12:05pm Tue 18 Feb 14

Archive Robin says...

Hi All

The reaction on the forum today is more down to the disappointment of not getting to Wembley as it would have been great and a chance to gain revenge over Chesterfield (I think they will beat Fleetwood) - we are all desperately disappointed that we lost and while people quite rightly have the right to voice an opinion it seems a shame that the blame culture is prevalent on here and other forums - we blame the manager, the players, the chairman in fact almost everything and everybody when we've lost and it is very understandable considering the disappointment of the result. We may all have different views on things but the main, long term thing is showing the support for the team and the club.

We can debate things over and over again but in the end we all have to move on and now look forward to Saturday - we get a win or even a point at Orient and things change again - the unpredictability of supporting this club/team is what makes us keep coming back for the number of years we all have - the debates and opinions are what keeps us all amused - long may both continue.
Hi All The reaction on the forum today is more down to the disappointment of not getting to Wembley as it would have been great and a chance to gain revenge over Chesterfield (I think they will beat Fleetwood) - we are all desperately disappointed that we lost and while people quite rightly have the right to voice an opinion it seems a shame that the blame culture is prevalent on here and other forums - we blame the manager, the players, the chairman in fact almost everything and everybody when we've lost and it is very understandable considering the disappointment of the result. We may all have different views on things but the main, long term thing is showing the support for the team and the club. We can debate things over and over again but in the end we all have to move on and now look forward to Saturday - we get a win or even a point at Orient and things change again - the unpredictability of supporting this club/team is what makes us keep coming back for the number of years we all have - the debates and opinions are what keeps us all amused - long may both continue. Archive Robin

12:11pm Tue 18 Feb 14

Cookie43 says...

themoonraker wrote:
Cookie43 wrote:
We are PANTS wrote:
Well done to the loyal 6,300 Swindon fans last night for trying to lift the players by being the 12th man.. Shame about the armchair supporters who watched it at home yet still have the gaul to come on here slating the management and team... Do us loyals a favour and move up the A420 some 30 odd miles...
Here here Spot on that man!!
..........I'm afraid to say that it is comments like that, from a$$holes like you that stop 'the armchair fans'from coming along.
No doubt you are two of the 'fans' who ridicule newcomers whern they attend for not having your in depth knowledge of our team........sorry but I think if you two ( and others with the same patronising attitude ) were to ''move up the A420 some 30 odd miles'' we may actually gain more fans once they know that they wil not be verbally abused for not having attended more games.
Oh how good you both must feel having given yourselfs the accolade of 'true fans' your self praise shows how opinionated and self important you both deem yourselfs to be!
Nothing to do with new fans coming to attend games I welcome new fans my god we need them. In fact i brought along two new fans last friday for the game and they came again last night. Try reading the posts the gripe is with existing so called fans who moan and groan and stay away which costs the club and team. Who then continue to complain where if they were to attend then the club would benifit financially and perhaps be able to afford better players etc.
I would welcome new fans anytime. So the only patronising As.hole is you myfriend try reading the posts!@
[quote][p][bold]themoonraker[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Cookie43[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]We are PANTS[/bold] wrote: Well done to the loyal 6,300 Swindon fans last night for trying to lift the players by being the 12th man.. Shame about the armchair supporters who watched it at home yet still have the gaul to come on here slating the management and team... Do us loyals a favour and move up the A420 some 30 odd miles...[/p][/quote]Here here Spot on that man!![/p][/quote]..........I'm afraid to say that it is comments like that, from a$$holes like you that stop 'the armchair fans'from coming along. No doubt you are two of the 'fans' who ridicule newcomers whern they attend for not having your in depth knowledge of our team........sorry but I think if you two ( and others with the same patronising attitude ) were to ''move up the A420 some 30 odd miles'' we may actually gain more fans once they know that they wil not be verbally abused for not having attended more games. Oh how good you both must feel having given yourselfs the accolade of 'true fans' your self praise shows how opinionated and self important you both deem yourselfs to be![/p][/quote]Nothing to do with new fans coming to attend games I welcome new fans my god we need them. In fact i brought along two new fans last friday for the game and they came again last night. Try reading the posts the gripe is with existing so called fans who moan and groan and stay away which costs the club and team. Who then continue to complain where if they were to attend then the club would benifit financially and perhaps be able to afford better players etc. I would welcome new fans anytime. So the only patronising As.hole is you myfriend try reading the posts!@ Cookie43

12:23pm Tue 18 Feb 14

harley red says...

HB1908 wrote:
Coopers tactics are forever costing us this season. Having been to every game this season it is clear we have a manager who isn't get the best from the players we have. Last night was a great example, credit to him for starting 2 up top and we looked good for it. We had a balance with defence and attack and were well worth our lead at HT. I am then at a complete loss as to how he felt there was the need to change to 1 up front and sit deep to see the game out at 1-0. When at any point this season have we shown to be good enough to purposely plan to shut a team out, not to mention a team like Peterborough who don't struggle for goals. It showed complete tactically stupidity from Cooper and almost as if he gave no regard to our first half performance and felt that he has decided prior to the match to deploy these tactics if we had a lead at HT. Into the second half we should have carried on from where we were, looked for a second and kill the game!!! We had the momentum and were in the ascendency and his change in formation has completely killed that and gave Boro all the incentive to attack. Anybody who tries to soften the blow of last nights exit and claim we can now focus on play-offs,. don't waste your time. There is no chance that we will make the play-offs. He has shown to date that away from home he simply cant get it consistently right with his tactics and formation and yet that has been overshadowed because of our good form at home. I feel that he doesn't get the best out of the players collectively. I really feel we have some top top talent in our squad (good enough to be play-offs) but why are we falling short?!! Forget where we thought we might have been this season, the reality is, we are better than what we all thought we would be and therefore expectations and targets change accordingly. There are 2 major flaws to our game this season, conceding goals and our away form, both of which have not improved as the season has gone on, so you have to ask what is he doing? what is he improving? For me, we have our strengths which lies in our home games and our weakness are, conceding goals and our away form and that's it!!! I haven't seen anything to show that he has elevated the team individually or collectively as the season has gone on. There has been a degree in most players of improvement but that would always come naturally from playing more and gaining more experience but i don't think that of all. 2 players who currently frustrate me with how Coops is deploying them is Kassim and Luongo. At the start of the season there was a clear distinction and identify to their play and what role they played within the team, Yasser was notably our holding midfielder where he read the game well, tackled well and then when in possession of the ball had the awareness of what was around him and could back it up with his distribution of the ball. Luongo in contrast offered that aggression and creativity driving forward, at times when we were a little guilty of tippy-tappy football at the start of the season, he was prepared to run at opponents and cause problems, now he doesn't do that!!! when was the last time he scored?!!! But now neither of them contribute as they once did. Kassim is being deployed higher and Luongo deeper which for me means they are both playing in "no mans land", neither is defending, neither is attacking. Kassim is not as effective playing further forward because whilst technically he is as good as any, he's not a natural ball carrier who will commit and run past people in dangerous areas and at the same time Luongo just seems to be playing within himself and we are not seeing enough of him in the attacking 3rd as we should. The midfield set up needs to be addressed asap and until such time, we will continue to have our struggles. Most games at most levels of the game is decided by the midfield battle and when you have players like Luongo, Kassim, Louis, Mason, Harley all technically gifted, add to that the quality that pritchard holds, how on earth does this midfield not dominate games home and away more often that not. I'm not accepting the issue they're young, that's too easy an excuse, even though at times that will play a part. A better more experienced manager would get more from the players than Cooper is getting. Cooper is doing an ok job but no more and what would happen if we were all just doing an "ok" job at work, we would be being pushed to do more and be better. Cooper will not be here for the long haul because he simply isn't good enough tactically to last long term. His saving grace is that he has been given some exceptional individual players this season which in itself has taken us as far as we have. For me, he is a poor manager who has some really top players at his disposal but as said conceding goals has not improved, away form overall has not improved, even our home form now is wobbling. I hope i prove to wrong on all fronts by end of season but I wont!!! I love my club and want us to succeed and its so frustrating to see a manager not able to get the best out of players and to be so tactically inept.
Playoffs your having a laugh , with cooper in charge mid table best . I hope I'm wrong but we have got to hit a wining streak and I don't think we are good enough . With ranger out we are back to one striker and not the 4-4-2 that got us are last few good results . Going out on pens is a horrible way to loose but that is how it's meant to be .
[quote][p][bold]HB1908[/bold] wrote: Coopers tactics are forever costing us this season. Having been to every game this season it is clear we have a manager who isn't get the best from the players we have. Last night was a great example, credit to him for starting 2 up top and we looked good for it. We had a balance with defence and attack and were well worth our lead at HT. I am then at a complete loss as to how he felt there was the need to change to 1 up front and sit deep to see the game out at 1-0. When at any point this season have we shown to be good enough to purposely plan to shut a team out, not to mention a team like Peterborough who don't struggle for goals. It showed complete tactically stupidity from Cooper and almost as if he gave no regard to our first half performance and felt that he has decided prior to the match to deploy these tactics if we had a lead at HT. Into the second half we should have carried on from where we were, looked for a second and kill the game!!! We had the momentum and were in the ascendency and his change in formation has completely killed that and gave Boro all the incentive to attack. Anybody who tries to soften the blow of last nights exit and claim we can now focus on play-offs,. don't waste your time. There is no chance that we will make the play-offs. He has shown to date that away from home he simply cant get it consistently right with his tactics and formation and yet that has been overshadowed because of our good form at home. I feel that he doesn't get the best out of the players collectively. I really feel we have some top top talent in our squad (good enough to be play-offs) but why are we falling short?!! Forget where we thought we might have been this season, the reality is, we are better than what we all thought we would be and therefore expectations and targets change accordingly. There are 2 major flaws to our game this season, conceding goals and our away form, both of which have not improved as the season has gone on, so you have to ask what is he doing? what is he improving? For me, we have our strengths which lies in our home games and our weakness are, conceding goals and our away form and that's it!!! I haven't seen anything to show that he has elevated the team individually or collectively as the season has gone on. There has been a degree in most players of improvement but that would always come naturally from playing more and gaining more experience but i don't think that of all. 2 players who currently frustrate me with how Coops is deploying them is Kassim and Luongo. At the start of the season there was a clear distinction and identify to their play and what role they played within the team, Yasser was notably our holding midfielder where he read the game well, tackled well and then when in possession of the ball had the awareness of what was around him and could back it up with his distribution of the ball. Luongo in contrast offered that aggression and creativity driving forward, at times when we were a little guilty of tippy-tappy football at the start of the season, he was prepared to run at opponents and cause problems, now he doesn't do that!!! when was the last time he scored?!!! But now neither of them contribute as they once did. Kassim is being deployed higher and Luongo deeper which for me means they are both playing in "no mans land", neither is defending, neither is attacking. Kassim is not as effective playing further forward because whilst technically he is as good as any, he's not a natural ball carrier who will commit and run past people in dangerous areas and at the same time Luongo just seems to be playing within himself and we are not seeing enough of him in the attacking 3rd as we should. The midfield set up needs to be addressed asap and until such time, we will continue to have our struggles. Most games at most levels of the game is decided by the midfield battle and when you have players like Luongo, Kassim, Louis, Mason, Harley all technically gifted, add to that the quality that pritchard holds, how on earth does this midfield not dominate games home and away more often that not. I'm not accepting the issue they're young, that's too easy an excuse, even though at times that will play a part. A better more experienced manager would get more from the players than Cooper is getting. Cooper is doing an ok job but no more and what would happen if we were all just doing an "ok" job at work, we would be being pushed to do more and be better. Cooper will not be here for the long haul because he simply isn't good enough tactically to last long term. His saving grace is that he has been given some exceptional individual players this season which in itself has taken us as far as we have. For me, he is a poor manager who has some really top players at his disposal but as said conceding goals has not improved, away form overall has not improved, even our home form now is wobbling. I hope i prove to wrong on all fronts by end of season but I wont!!! I love my club and want us to succeed and its so frustrating to see a manager not able to get the best out of players and to be so tactically inept.[/p][/quote]Playoffs your having a laugh , with cooper in charge mid table best . I hope I'm wrong but we have got to hit a wining streak and I don't think we are good enough . With ranger out we are back to one striker and not the 4-4-2 that got us are last few good results . Going out on pens is a horrible way to loose but that is how it's meant to be . harley red

12:53pm Tue 18 Feb 14

NORTH STAND says...

Swindon1984 wrote:
jillyh wrote:
Some people missing the point here. I am glad you have the money to see what I can only describe as a mediocre side and shambles of management. This feels all too familiar to me as seen too many times how poor management has ruined everything. Speaking only for myself I cannot afford it. Also before you accuse me of being an armchair supporter I live too far out to get radio coverage.
Kind of ties in to my last point - if you think the team and management are a shambles and are choosing to stay away for that reason, why feel the need to comment on it? Also, if by your own admission you're not seeing your team play, how can you call them a shambles? Does no-one else see the irony here??
Nope not really - I see a genuine fan with the intellectual capacity and footballing knowledge to see when something is not right.... and enough of a life to understand there are alternative uses for limited funds in tough economic times..... the irony in the post is someone who claims to attend the games but cannot see what is going on before his eyes...

You could drag another 4,000 people from their armchairs and sit them on Stratton Bank for ninety minutes but it wouldn't affect last nights '(or several recent games) outcome because it wouldn't a) improve the players b) make the team any better prepared or c) the squad any fitter...

That was two pretty ordinary teams out there last night and people really ought to be able to comprehend that:

a) our squad now consists of Ranger, Pritchard, TAH and Foderingham (the last at a push) who are potential championship players plus a further three or four who may be capable of competing at L1 level when surrounded by better talents. in the main though we continue to reduce the quality of the squad with each footballers departure and each non league replacement.... and only £400 a year to watch....

b) our management is conference level at best (actually it's proven to have failed at conference level) but hey, they are cheap so who cares.... do you recall the (legendarily bad) Phil Smith saving several penalties to take us to Wembley previously and then explaining how he had prepared for the opposition's penalty styles in depth with his coach.... do you really think Wes knew who was even stepping up last night...

c) our players cannot run for the last twenty minutes of any game (Kasim, Pritchard and Mason last thirty five) - still expert fans appear on her to tell us the players are 'much happier' than they were under Di Canio (they know because they met them in a club on Friday night).... the hard work fitness and professionalism that took us up has long gone and the product is falling fast (how many of the four key players mentioned above will start next season?)... that's not a pro PDC rant - the same basic principles applied to successful periods under Danny Williams, Bob Smith and Lord Hoddle himself.

Power must be p***ing himself laughing when he reads these idiots on DWP funded iphones spouting loyalty and sustainability.... absolutely ripe for rip off, put up the prices and cut back the spending boys, 'write this Sam' .... Reiss' penalty last night cost Power £300k - the season is dead in the water (there were to my eye no more than 4500 people in attendance on Friday night) - there are tough time ahead.....

Feel free to consider me an Oxford fan or a PDC apologist or a keyboard warrior if it makes my opinion easier for you to handle.... I'm not concerned by thumbs down and I'll still be there when we get back to Bury or Chester, .... but I don't need to pretend I like it...
[quote][p][bold]Swindon1984[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]jillyh[/bold] wrote: Some people missing the point here. I am glad you have the money to see what I can only describe as a mediocre side and shambles of management. This feels all too familiar to me as seen too many times how poor management has ruined everything. Speaking only for myself I cannot afford it. Also before you accuse me of being an armchair supporter I live too far out to get radio coverage.[/p][/quote]Kind of ties in to my last point - if you think the team and management are a shambles and are choosing to stay away for that reason, why feel the need to comment on it? Also, if by your own admission you're not seeing your team play, how can you call them a shambles? Does no-one else see the irony here??[/p][/quote]Nope not really - I see a genuine fan with the intellectual capacity and footballing knowledge to see when something is not right.... and enough of a life to understand there are alternative uses for limited funds in tough economic times..... the irony in the post is someone who claims to attend the games but cannot see what is going on before his eyes... You could drag another 4,000 people from their armchairs and sit them on Stratton Bank for ninety minutes but it wouldn't affect last nights '(or several recent games) outcome because it wouldn't a) improve the players b) make the team any better prepared or c) the squad any fitter... That was two pretty ordinary teams out there last night and people really ought to be able to comprehend that: a) our squad now consists of Ranger, Pritchard, TAH and Foderingham (the last at a push) who are potential championship players plus a further three or four who may be capable of competing at L1 level when surrounded by better talents. in the main though we continue to reduce the quality of the squad with each footballers departure and each non league replacement.... and only £400 a year to watch.... b) our management is conference level at best (actually it's proven to have failed at conference level) but hey, they are cheap so who cares.... do you recall the (legendarily bad) Phil Smith saving several penalties to take us to Wembley previously and then explaining how he had prepared for the opposition's penalty styles in depth with his coach.... do you really think Wes knew who was even stepping up last night... c) our players cannot run for the last twenty minutes of any game (Kasim, Pritchard and Mason last thirty five) - still expert fans appear on her to tell us the players are 'much happier' than they were under Di Canio (they know because they met them in a club on Friday night).... the hard work fitness and professionalism that took us up has long gone and the product is falling fast (how many of the four key players mentioned above will start next season?)... that's not a pro PDC rant - the same basic principles applied to successful periods under Danny Williams, Bob Smith and Lord Hoddle himself. Power must be p***ing himself laughing when he reads these idiots on DWP funded iphones spouting loyalty and sustainability.... absolutely ripe for rip off, put up the prices and cut back the spending boys, 'write this Sam' .... Reiss' penalty last night cost Power £300k - the season is dead in the water (there were to my eye no more than 4500 people in attendance on Friday night) - there are tough time ahead..... Feel free to consider me an Oxford fan or a PDC apologist or a keyboard warrior if it makes my opinion easier for you to handle.... I'm not concerned by thumbs down and I'll still be there when we get back to Bury or Chester, .... but I don't need to pretend I like it... NORTH STAND

12:53pm Tue 18 Feb 14

sagadude says...

stfcdod wrote:
sagadude wrote:
We are PANTS wrote:
Well done to the loyal 6,300 Swindon fans last night for trying to lift the players by being the 12th man.. Shame about the armchair supporters who watched it at home yet still have the gaul to come on here slating the management and team... Do us loyals a favour and move up the A420 some 30 odd miles...
Yeah well, those certain armchair fans are the ones that have watched the Town for over twenty years and are fed up with the same old poor management.

Last nights game would not have been lost with Hoddle and the same squad.

We are annoyed that Power does not even seek the opportunity to talk to Hoddle at least, and then replace Cooper who is doing his best but has not the tactical skills and experience to get this club no further than the position they are in now.

It is not all about money as other teams managers have proven.

I have had more season tickets than all you lot out together. Open your eyes.
Sagadude..........yo

u say that 'We are annoyed that Power does not even seek the opportunity to talk to Hoddle at least'. You then go on to say, 'It is not all about money'.
Please make your mind up.
Correct,

Approach Hoddle, he may not ask for any more than Cooper's wages. It is worth a try as he wants to get back into management. This combined with his crowd pulling ability and a source of reasonably good players from Spurs and his own academy is definitely worth talking about, and approaching him on the possibility.

The alternative is mid table League One or even worse back to League Two waving the Oxford as they go the other way.
[quote][p][bold]stfcdod[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]sagadude[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]We are PANTS[/bold] wrote: Well done to the loyal 6,300 Swindon fans last night for trying to lift the players by being the 12th man.. Shame about the armchair supporters who watched it at home yet still have the gaul to come on here slating the management and team... Do us loyals a favour and move up the A420 some 30 odd miles...[/p][/quote]Yeah well, those certain armchair fans are the ones that have watched the Town for over twenty years and are fed up with the same old poor management. Last nights game would not have been lost with Hoddle and the same squad. We are annoyed that Power does not even seek the opportunity to talk to Hoddle at least, and then replace Cooper who is doing his best but has not the tactical skills and experience to get this club no further than the position they are in now. It is not all about money as other teams managers have proven. I have had more season tickets than all you lot out together. Open your eyes.[/p][/quote]Sagadude..........yo u say that 'We are annoyed that Power does not even seek the opportunity to talk to Hoddle at least'. You then go on to say, 'It is not all about money'. Please make your mind up.[/p][/quote]Correct, Approach Hoddle, he may not ask for any more than Cooper's wages. It is worth a try as he wants to get back into management. This combined with his crowd pulling ability and a source of reasonably good players from Spurs and his own academy is definitely worth talking about, and approaching him on the possibility. The alternative is mid table League One or even worse back to League Two waving the Oxford as they go the other way. sagadude

12:57pm Tue 18 Feb 14

MidlandRobin says...

I think Cooper got the tactics right up until our goal. We looked relatively solid at the back, Fodders pulled off a brilliant save early on. Louis worked very hard, great tackler, I love that in a player! Pritchard was creating chances and we deservedly went in front.

Then the second half came, the formation changed, we sat back and it was inevitable that Assombolonga was going to score, and we paid dearly by not continuing the first half form!

When it came to the penalties I think we did the best with what we've got, again as I've stressed before on this site, experience is needed for these kind of situations. N'guessan should never have been taken off, when penalties were looming!

Reis might be Portuguese but he's no Ronaldo, God knows why he only took two steps to take a vital penalty! I would have been more confident with someone like Byrne taking it.

As for the Ranger blow, this is a massive dent in our play off credentials. Call me pessimistic or doom and gloom merchant, but I think it's fair to say our place lies in mid table, I can't see a promotion push without Ranger.

I think we'll finish 8th/9th where we are at the moment.

MR
I think Cooper got the tactics right up until our goal. We looked relatively solid at the back, Fodders pulled off a brilliant save early on. Louis worked very hard, great tackler, I love that in a player! Pritchard was creating chances and we deservedly went in front. Then the second half came, the formation changed, we sat back and it was inevitable that Assombolonga was going to score, and we paid dearly by not continuing the first half form! When it came to the penalties I think we did the best with what we've got, again as I've stressed before on this site, experience is needed for these kind of situations. N'guessan should never have been taken off, when penalties were looming! Reis might be Portuguese but he's no Ronaldo, God knows why he only took two steps to take a vital penalty! I would have been more confident with someone like Byrne taking it. As for the Ranger blow, this is a massive dent in our play off credentials. Call me pessimistic or doom and gloom merchant, but I think it's fair to say our place lies in mid table, I can't see a promotion push without Ranger. I think we'll finish 8th/9th where we are at the moment. MR MidlandRobin

1:28pm Tue 18 Feb 14

castle9 says...

jillyh wrote:
Time for a reality check. We are not the side some fans think. Certainly nextseason wwe will have a depleted side with the likes of Pritchard and the other loanees moving on. With the season ticket prices being just announced I really don't think we can afford to renew as live outside Swindon. Very concerned for the future of our club
Not that concerned, obviously.
[quote][p][bold]jillyh[/bold] wrote: Time for a reality check. We are not the side some fans think. Certainly nextseason wwe will have a depleted side with the likes of Pritchard and the other loanees moving on. With the season ticket prices being just announced I really don't think we can afford to renew as live outside Swindon. Very concerned for the future of our club[/p][/quote]Not that concerned, obviously. castle9

1:38pm Tue 18 Feb 14

Swindon1984 says...

NORTH STAND wrote:
Swindon1984 wrote:
jillyh wrote: Some people missing the point here. I am glad you have the money to see what I can only describe as a mediocre side and shambles of management. This feels all too familiar to me as seen too many times how poor management has ruined everything. Speaking only for myself I cannot afford it. Also before you accuse me of being an armchair supporter I live too far out to get radio coverage.
Kind of ties in to my last point - if you think the team and management are a shambles and are choosing to stay away for that reason, why feel the need to comment on it? Also, if by your own admission you're not seeing your team play, how can you call them a shambles? Does no-one else see the irony here??
Nope not really - I see a genuine fan with the intellectual capacity and footballing knowledge to see when something is not right.... and enough of a life to understand there are alternative uses for limited funds in tough economic times..... the irony in the post is someone who claims to attend the games but cannot see what is going on before his eyes... You could drag another 4,000 people from their armchairs and sit them on Stratton Bank for ninety minutes but it wouldn't affect last nights '(or several recent games) outcome because it wouldn't a) improve the players b) make the team any better prepared or c) the squad any fitter... That was two pretty ordinary teams out there last night and people really ought to be able to comprehend that: a) our squad now consists of Ranger, Pritchard, TAH and Foderingham (the last at a push) who are potential championship players plus a further three or four who may be capable of competing at L1 level when surrounded by better talents. in the main though we continue to reduce the quality of the squad with each footballers departure and each non league replacement.... and only £400 a year to watch.... b) our management is conference level at best (actually it's proven to have failed at conference level) but hey, they are cheap so who cares.... do you recall the (legendarily bad) Phil Smith saving several penalties to take us to Wembley previously and then explaining how he had prepared for the opposition's penalty styles in depth with his coach.... do you really think Wes knew who was even stepping up last night... c) our players cannot run for the last twenty minutes of any game (Kasim, Pritchard and Mason last thirty five) - still expert fans appear on her to tell us the players are 'much happier' than they were under Di Canio (they know because they met them in a club on Friday night).... the hard work fitness and professionalism that took us up has long gone and the product is falling fast (how many of the four key players mentioned above will start next season?)... that's not a pro PDC rant - the same basic principles applied to successful periods under Danny Williams, Bob Smith and Lord Hoddle himself. Power must be p***ing himself laughing when he reads these idiots on DWP funded iphones spouting loyalty and sustainability.... absolutely ripe for rip off, put up the prices and cut back the spending boys, 'write this Sam' .... Reiss' penalty last night cost Power £300k - the season is dead in the water (there were to my eye no more than 4500 people in attendance on Friday night) - there are tough time ahead..... Feel free to consider me an Oxford fan or a PDC apologist or a keyboard warrior if it makes my opinion easier for you to handle.... I'm not concerned by thumbs down and I'll still be there when we get back to Bury or Chester, .... but I don't need to pretend I like it...
"Nope not really - I see a genuine fan with the intellectual capacity and footballing knowledge to see when something is not right.... and enough of a life to understand there are alternative uses for limited funds in tough economic times"

Fair enough, but I stand behind my previous comment that if people aren't going to show up and support the team, why would they then bother slagging the team off - it no longer affects them, as they're not shelling out their hard earned to watch. I'm sorry but supporting the team isn't keeping an eye out for their results - I know what's going on in the premiership and watch match of the day but I don't claim to support any premiership team.

"the irony in the post is someone who claims to attend the games but cannot see what is going on before his eyes... You could drag another 4,000 people from their armchairs and sit them on Stratton Bank for ninety minutes but it wouldn't affect last nights '(or several recent games) outcome"

I never said it would - I think in the main although we gifted them an equaliser, the result was about right over the two legs. I also said if you bothered reading what I'd previously said, I'm not having a go at anyone if they don't want to come and support their team, as that's their choice - what I do take exception to is people clearly having a pop at the side when they're in no position to say how the team's performed, as by their own admission they don't see the team play!

"idiots on DWP funded iphones spouting loyalty and sustainability"

Not sure if that was aimed at me, as I can assure you I'm a taxpayer and choose to spend my taxed salary on football amongst other things. If not aimed at me, it's still an assumption and an insult against someone - notice I haven't resorted to insulting when trying to make a point.

"Feel free to consider me an Oxford fan or a PDC apologist or a keyboard warrior if it makes my opinion easier for you to handle...."

Never level any of those accusations at you - if you support the team but disagree with my opinions then more power to you, haven't got a problem with differences of opinion.

It does seem though that some are using last nights result as a stick to beat the club, players, managers and chairman rather than accepting it for what it was - a decent enough performance with a disappointing conclusion.

As for not seeing what's in front of my eyes? Couldn't be more wrong. More times than I'd like to remember this season I've seen this team throw games away with pointless backpassing as we saw last night, and frequently I'll leave a match frustrated. However it hasn't, and it won't stop me from going. If others choose not to I don't see that it makes them more genuine fans, with a higher intellectual capacity or more of a life than me - they've just chosen not to go, simple as that. Why everyone's getting this worked up I really don't know.
[quote][p][bold]NORTH STAND[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Swindon1984[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]jillyh[/bold] wrote: Some people missing the point here. I am glad you have the money to see what I can only describe as a mediocre side and shambles of management. This feels all too familiar to me as seen too many times how poor management has ruined everything. Speaking only for myself I cannot afford it. Also before you accuse me of being an armchair supporter I live too far out to get radio coverage.[/p][/quote]Kind of ties in to my last point - if you think the team and management are a shambles and are choosing to stay away for that reason, why feel the need to comment on it? Also, if by your own admission you're not seeing your team play, how can you call them a shambles? Does no-one else see the irony here??[/p][/quote]Nope not really - I see a genuine fan with the intellectual capacity and footballing knowledge to see when something is not right.... and enough of a life to understand there are alternative uses for limited funds in tough economic times..... the irony in the post is someone who claims to attend the games but cannot see what is going on before his eyes... You could drag another 4,000 people from their armchairs and sit them on Stratton Bank for ninety minutes but it wouldn't affect last nights '(or several recent games) outcome because it wouldn't a) improve the players b) make the team any better prepared or c) the squad any fitter... That was two pretty ordinary teams out there last night and people really ought to be able to comprehend that: a) our squad now consists of Ranger, Pritchard, TAH and Foderingham (the last at a push) who are potential championship players plus a further three or four who may be capable of competing at L1 level when surrounded by better talents. in the main though we continue to reduce the quality of the squad with each footballers departure and each non league replacement.... and only £400 a year to watch.... b) our management is conference level at best (actually it's proven to have failed at conference level) but hey, they are cheap so who cares.... do you recall the (legendarily bad) Phil Smith saving several penalties to take us to Wembley previously and then explaining how he had prepared for the opposition's penalty styles in depth with his coach.... do you really think Wes knew who was even stepping up last night... c) our players cannot run for the last twenty minutes of any game (Kasim, Pritchard and Mason last thirty five) - still expert fans appear on her to tell us the players are 'much happier' than they were under Di Canio (they know because they met them in a club on Friday night).... the hard work fitness and professionalism that took us up has long gone and the product is falling fast (how many of the four key players mentioned above will start next season?)... that's not a pro PDC rant - the same basic principles applied to successful periods under Danny Williams, Bob Smith and Lord Hoddle himself. Power must be p***ing himself laughing when he reads these idiots on DWP funded iphones spouting loyalty and sustainability.... absolutely ripe for rip off, put up the prices and cut back the spending boys, 'write this Sam' .... Reiss' penalty last night cost Power £300k - the season is dead in the water (there were to my eye no more than 4500 people in attendance on Friday night) - there are tough time ahead..... Feel free to consider me an Oxford fan or a PDC apologist or a keyboard warrior if it makes my opinion easier for you to handle.... I'm not concerned by thumbs down and I'll still be there when we get back to Bury or Chester, .... but I don't need to pretend I like it...[/p][/quote]"Nope not really - I see a genuine fan with the intellectual capacity and footballing knowledge to see when something is not right.... and enough of a life to understand there are alternative uses for limited funds in tough economic times" Fair enough, but I stand behind my previous comment that if people aren't going to show up and support the team, why would they then bother slagging the team off - it no longer affects them, as they're not shelling out their hard earned to watch. I'm sorry but supporting the team isn't keeping an eye out for their results - I know what's going on in the premiership and watch match of the day but I don't claim to support any premiership team. "the irony in the post is someone who claims to attend the games but cannot see what is going on before his eyes... You could drag another 4,000 people from their armchairs and sit them on Stratton Bank for ninety minutes but it wouldn't affect last nights '(or several recent games) outcome" I never said it would - I think in the main although we gifted them an equaliser, the result was about right over the two legs. I also said if you bothered reading what I'd previously said, I'm not having a go at anyone if they don't want to come and support their team, as that's their choice - what I do take exception to is people clearly having a pop at the side when they're in no position to say how the team's performed, as by their own admission they don't see the team play! "idiots on DWP funded iphones spouting loyalty and sustainability" Not sure if that was aimed at me, as I can assure you I'm a taxpayer and choose to spend my taxed salary on football amongst other things. If not aimed at me, it's still an assumption and an insult against someone - notice I haven't resorted to insulting when trying to make a point. "Feel free to consider me an Oxford fan or a PDC apologist or a keyboard warrior if it makes my opinion easier for you to handle...." Never level any of those accusations at you - if you support the team but disagree with my opinions then more power to you, haven't got a problem with differences of opinion. It does seem though that some are using last nights result as a stick to beat the club, players, managers and chairman rather than accepting it for what it was - a decent enough performance with a disappointing conclusion. As for not seeing what's in front of my eyes? Couldn't be more wrong. More times than I'd like to remember this season I've seen this team throw games away with pointless backpassing as we saw last night, and frequently I'll leave a match frustrated. However it hasn't, and it won't stop me from going. If others choose not to I don't see that it makes them more genuine fans, with a higher intellectual capacity or more of a life than me - they've just chosen not to go, simple as that. Why everyone's getting this worked up I really don't know. Swindon1984

1:45pm Tue 18 Feb 14

Oxon-Red says...

NORTH STAND wrote:
Swindon1984 wrote:
jillyh wrote: Some people missing the point here. I am glad you have the money to see what I can only describe as a mediocre side and shambles of management. This feels all too familiar to me as seen too many times how poor management has ruined everything. Speaking only for myself I cannot afford it. Also before you accuse me of being an armchair supporter I live too far out to get radio coverage.
Kind of ties in to my last point - if you think the team and management are a shambles and are choosing to stay away for that reason, why feel the need to comment on it? Also, if by your own admission you're not seeing your team play, how can you call them a shambles? Does no-one else see the irony here??
Nope not really - I see a genuine fan with the intellectual capacity and footballing knowledge to see when something is not right.... and enough of a life to understand there are alternative uses for limited funds in tough economic times..... the irony in the post is someone who claims to attend the games but cannot see what is going on before his eyes... You could drag another 4,000 people from their armchairs and sit them on Stratton Bank for ninety minutes but it wouldn't affect last nights '(or several recent games) outcome because it wouldn't a) improve the players b) make the team any better prepared or c) the squad any fitter... That was two pretty ordinary teams out there last night and people really ought to be able to comprehend that: a) our squad now consists of Ranger, Pritchard, TAH and Foderingham (the last at a push) who are potential championship players plus a further three or four who may be capable of competing at L1 level when surrounded by better talents. in the main though we continue to reduce the quality of the squad with each footballers departure and each non league replacement.... and only £400 a year to watch.... b) our management is conference level at best (actually it's proven to have failed at conference level) but hey, they are cheap so who cares.... do you recall the (legendarily bad) Phil Smith saving several penalties to take us to Wembley previously and then explaining how he had prepared for the opposition's penalty styles in depth with his coach.... do you really think Wes knew who was even stepping up last night... c) our players cannot run for the last twenty minutes of any game (Kasim, Pritchard and Mason last thirty five) - still expert fans appear on her to tell us the players are 'much happier' than they were under Di Canio (they know because they met them in a club on Friday night).... the hard work fitness and professionalism that took us up has long gone and the product is falling fast (how many of the four key players mentioned above will start next season?)... that's not a pro PDC rant - the same basic principles applied to successful periods under Danny Williams, Bob Smith and Lord Hoddle himself. Power must be p***ing himself laughing when he reads these idiots on DWP funded iphones spouting loyalty and sustainability.... absolutely ripe for rip off, put up the prices and cut back the spending boys, 'write this Sam' .... Reiss' penalty last night cost Power £300k - the season is dead in the water (there were to my eye no more than 4500 people in attendance on Friday night) - there are tough time ahead..... Feel free to consider me an Oxford fan or a PDC apologist or a keyboard warrior if it makes my opinion easier for you to handle.... I'm not concerned by thumbs down and I'll still be there when we get back to Bury or Chester, .... but I don't need to pretend I like it...
Having taken the time to write all these bad points about STFC and its current situation perhaps you would spend sometime identifying solutions.

Very easy to criticise, not so easy to identify a way forward. You criticise price rises but want better players please explain how you get one without the other.

COYMR
[quote][p][bold]NORTH STAND[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Swindon1984[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]jillyh[/bold] wrote: Some people missing the point here. I am glad you have the money to see what I can only describe as a mediocre side and shambles of management. This feels all too familiar to me as seen too many times how poor management has ruined everything. Speaking only for myself I cannot afford it. Also before you accuse me of being an armchair supporter I live too far out to get radio coverage.[/p][/quote]Kind of ties in to my last point - if you think the team and management are a shambles and are choosing to stay away for that reason, why feel the need to comment on it? Also, if by your own admission you're not seeing your team play, how can you call them a shambles? Does no-one else see the irony here??[/p][/quote]Nope not really - I see a genuine fan with the intellectual capacity and footballing knowledge to see when something is not right.... and enough of a life to understand there are alternative uses for limited funds in tough economic times..... the irony in the post is someone who claims to attend the games but cannot see what is going on before his eyes... You could drag another 4,000 people from their armchairs and sit them on Stratton Bank for ninety minutes but it wouldn't affect last nights '(or several recent games) outcome because it wouldn't a) improve the players b) make the team any better prepared or c) the squad any fitter... That was two pretty ordinary teams out there last night and people really ought to be able to comprehend that: a) our squad now consists of Ranger, Pritchard, TAH and Foderingham (the last at a push) who are potential championship players plus a further three or four who may be capable of competing at L1 level when surrounded by better talents. in the main though we continue to reduce the quality of the squad with each footballers departure and each non league replacement.... and only £400 a year to watch.... b) our management is conference level at best (actually it's proven to have failed at conference level) but hey, they are cheap so who cares.... do you recall the (legendarily bad) Phil Smith saving several penalties to take us to Wembley previously and then explaining how he had prepared for the opposition's penalty styles in depth with his coach.... do you really think Wes knew who was even stepping up last night... c) our players cannot run for the last twenty minutes of any game (Kasim, Pritchard and Mason last thirty five) - still expert fans appear on her to tell us the players are 'much happier' than they were under Di Canio (they know because they met them in a club on Friday night).... the hard work fitness and professionalism that took us up has long gone and the product is falling fast (how many of the four key players mentioned above will start next season?)... that's not a pro PDC rant - the same basic principles applied to successful periods under Danny Williams, Bob Smith and Lord Hoddle himself. Power must be p***ing himself laughing when he reads these idiots on DWP funded iphones spouting loyalty and sustainability.... absolutely ripe for rip off, put up the prices and cut back the spending boys, 'write this Sam' .... Reiss' penalty last night cost Power £300k - the season is dead in the water (there were to my eye no more than 4500 people in attendance on Friday night) - there are tough time ahead..... Feel free to consider me an Oxford fan or a PDC apologist or a keyboard warrior if it makes my opinion easier for you to handle.... I'm not concerned by thumbs down and I'll still be there when we get back to Bury or Chester, .... but I don't need to pretend I like it...[/p][/quote]Having taken the time to write all these bad points about STFC and its current situation perhaps you would spend sometime identifying solutions. Very easy to criticise, not so easy to identify a way forward. You criticise price rises but want better players please explain how you get one without the other. COYMR Oxon-Red

1:53pm Tue 18 Feb 14

smirg kcab says...

RedRich wrote:
Very disappointing to lose on pens again. When I saw who the ref was I thought it would be a bad night. Keith Stroud has "done us" a couple of times before, he bottled the N'Guessan pen decision as he would of had to send their player off. Having seen the i definite pen & the expression on the Peterborough guy's face shows he was expecting the worst.

I'm not surprised Luongo missed his pen with the awful "music"/noise coming from the PA system. Having that row playing takes away the atmosphere. Anyway biased SKY will be happy, as I notice their Chairman was a guest summarizer last night (& in the away match Mikail-Smith former Posh player was the summarizer).
Also, that ruddy drum of theirs was a nuisance & should not of been there, funny how on some of the home turnstiles it says that no musical instruments are not allowed.

Sour grapes?, yes, felted cheated? (again) yes,

Roll on Saturday, the league is more important.

COYR
The league is more important?
Don't know where you was against Oldham? When he decided to play our second string side to win the famous jpt.
Get a reality check the season finished last night unless he can lose all games now to keep us out of relegation
Look forward to seeing gladwin again in attack under cooper, or perhaps in goal where I'm sure he would have looked more comfortable.
Sorry to say after supporting cooper for most of the season it's time for change.
Only50 minuses for my first post look forward to many more on this one, the truth hurts you sick lot
[quote][p][bold]RedRich[/bold] wrote: Very disappointing to lose on pens again. When I saw who the ref was I thought it would be a bad night. Keith Stroud has "done us" a couple of times before, he bottled the N'Guessan pen decision as he would of had to send their player off. Having seen the i definite pen & the expression on the Peterborough guy's face shows he was expecting the worst. I'm not surprised Luongo missed his pen with the awful "music"/noise coming from the PA system. Having that row playing takes away the atmosphere. Anyway biased SKY will be happy, as I notice their Chairman was a guest summarizer last night (& in the away match Mikail-Smith former Posh player was the summarizer). Also, that ruddy drum of theirs was a nuisance & should not of been there, funny how on some of the home turnstiles it says that no musical instruments are not allowed. Sour grapes?, yes, felted cheated? (again) yes, Roll on Saturday, the league is more important. COYR[/p][/quote]The league is more important? Don't know where you was against Oldham? When he decided to play our second string side to win the famous jpt. Get a reality check the season finished last night unless he can lose all games now to keep us out of relegation Look forward to seeing gladwin again in attack under cooper, or perhaps in goal where I'm sure he would have looked more comfortable. Sorry to say after supporting cooper for most of the season it's time for change. Only50 minuses for my first post look forward to many more on this one, the truth hurts you sick lot smirg kcab

2:02pm Tue 18 Feb 14

London Red says...

MidlandRobin wrote:
I think Cooper got the tactics right up until our goal. We looked relatively solid at the back, Fodders pulled off a brilliant save early on. Louis worked very hard, great tackler, I love that in a player! Pritchard was creating chances and we deservedly went in front. Then the second half came, the formation changed, we sat back and it was inevitable that Assombolonga was going to score, and we paid dearly by not continuing the first half form! When it came to the penalties I think we did the best with what we've got, again as I've stressed before on this site, experience is needed for these kind of situations. N'guessan should never have been taken off, when penalties were looming! Reis might be Portuguese but he's no Ronaldo, God knows why he only took two steps to take a vital penalty! I would have been more confident with someone like Byrne taking it. As for the Ranger blow, this is a massive dent in our play off credentials. Call me pessimistic or doom and gloom merchant, but I think it's fair to say our place lies in mid table, I can't see a promotion push without Ranger. I think we'll finish 8th/9th where we are at the moment. MR
8th or 9th is way above most expexctations of relegation this year
.
So still not sure why some are so critical of Power and Cooper as to where we are - as it is about 15 places higher up!
.
We worked miricles in the summer to land the likes of Luongo (£400k), Byrne (£100k) and Ranger and then pulled it out of the hat again in Jan by signing Smith (£200k) - so lets see what Power does this summer
.
We may also get a few more gems like Kasim who no one really knew of
.
POs were always an outside bet - I too think they have gone now - but happy with upper midtable in a transition year and am looking forward to seeing what changes are made when the legacy costs are finally gone
.
However - but gutted to see Diagouraga go on loan to Pompey - we were meant to be looking at him in the summer and is exactly what we need - a powerful defensive midfielder - surely we would do Brentford a favour by him being here as we couold potentially take points off their rivals
.
Maybe its the wage cap issue and we might follow up our interest in the summer?
[quote][p][bold]MidlandRobin[/bold] wrote: I think Cooper got the tactics right up until our goal. We looked relatively solid at the back, Fodders pulled off a brilliant save early on. Louis worked very hard, great tackler, I love that in a player! Pritchard was creating chances and we deservedly went in front. Then the second half came, the formation changed, we sat back and it was inevitable that Assombolonga was going to score, and we paid dearly by not continuing the first half form! When it came to the penalties I think we did the best with what we've got, again as I've stressed before on this site, experience is needed for these kind of situations. N'guessan should never have been taken off, when penalties were looming! Reis might be Portuguese but he's no Ronaldo, God knows why he only took two steps to take a vital penalty! I would have been more confident with someone like Byrne taking it. As for the Ranger blow, this is a massive dent in our play off credentials. Call me pessimistic or doom and gloom merchant, but I think it's fair to say our place lies in mid table, I can't see a promotion push without Ranger. I think we'll finish 8th/9th where we are at the moment. MR[/p][/quote]8th or 9th is way above most expexctations of relegation this year . So still not sure why some are so critical of Power and Cooper as to where we are - as it is about 15 places higher up! . We worked miricles in the summer to land the likes of Luongo (£400k), Byrne (£100k) and Ranger and then pulled it out of the hat again in Jan by signing Smith (£200k) - so lets see what Power does this summer . We may also get a few more gems like Kasim who no one really knew of . POs were always an outside bet - I too think they have gone now - but happy with upper midtable in a transition year and am looking forward to seeing what changes are made when the legacy costs are finally gone . However - but gutted to see Diagouraga go on loan to Pompey - we were meant to be looking at him in the summer and is exactly what we need - a powerful defensive midfielder - surely we would do Brentford a favour by him being here as we couold potentially take points off their rivals . Maybe its the wage cap issue and we might follow up our interest in the summer? London Red

2:04pm Tue 18 Feb 14

jillyh says...

Swindon1984 wrote:
jillyh wrote:
Some people missing the point here. I am glad you have the money to see what I can only describe as a mediocre side and shambles of management. This feels all too familiar to me as seen too many times how poor management has ruined everything. Speaking only for myself I cannot afford it. Also before you accuse me of being an armchair supporter I live too far out to get radio coverage.
Kind of ties in to my last point - if you think the team and management are a shambles and are choosing to stay away for that reason, why feel the need to comment on it? Also, if by your own admission you're not seeing your team play, how can you call them a shambles? Does no-one else see the irony here??
Can you please read a post before commenting as I attend all home games as I am a season ticket holder. It's the future I fear for.
[quote][p][bold]Swindon1984[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]jillyh[/bold] wrote: Some people missing the point here. I am glad you have the money to see what I can only describe as a mediocre side and shambles of management. This feels all too familiar to me as seen too many times how poor management has ruined everything. Speaking only for myself I cannot afford it. Also before you accuse me of being an armchair supporter I live too far out to get radio coverage.[/p][/quote]Kind of ties in to my last point - if you think the team and management are a shambles and are choosing to stay away for that reason, why feel the need to comment on it? Also, if by your own admission you're not seeing your team play, how can you call them a shambles? Does no-one else see the irony here??[/p][/quote]Can you please read a post before commenting as I attend all home games as I am a season ticket holder. It's the future I fear for. jillyh

2:07pm Tue 18 Feb 14

Another view says...

Whatever most people have said on here, you can tell they're hurting after last night. I think what creates a lot of the frustration is not so much losing games, but not finishing off games that are there to be won.

Bearing in mind our manager is as much a rookie as a lot of his players are at this level, should Power not have found a wise old head who would be happy to help out? He told us a few months ago that Swindon have one of the smallest management/coaching set-ups in the football league.

Why leave a rookie manager with so little support?
Whatever most people have said on here, you can tell they're hurting after last night. I think what creates a lot of the frustration is not so much losing games, but not finishing off games that are there to be won. Bearing in mind our manager is as much a rookie as a lot of his players are at this level, should Power not have found a wise old head who would be happy to help out? He told us a few months ago that Swindon have one of the smallest management/coaching set-ups in the football league. Why leave a rookie manager with so little support? Another view

2:34pm Tue 18 Feb 14

red white says...

Another view wrote:
Whatever most people have said on here, you can tell they're hurting after last night. I think what creates a lot of the frustration is not so much losing games, but not finishing off games that are there to be won. Bearing in mind our manager is as much a rookie as a lot of his players are at this level, should Power not have found a wise old head who would be happy to help out? He told us a few months ago that Swindon have one of the smallest management/coaching set-ups in the football league. Why leave a rookie manager with so little support?
Mr Power and Mr Cooper don't seem to be the best of friends,imo.This is what the problem is.

Coops body language summed it up last night, hands forced tightly into his jacket coat,not seeming happy at all in what should have been a show to get us to Wembley after a great 1st leg performance.

'Why leave a rookie manager with so little support?'
To hang him out to dry?

Cruel game sometimes.
[quote][p][bold]Another view[/bold] wrote: Whatever most people have said on here, you can tell they're hurting after last night. I think what creates a lot of the frustration is not so much losing games, but not finishing off games that are there to be won. Bearing in mind our manager is as much a rookie as a lot of his players are at this level, should Power not have found a wise old head who would be happy to help out? He told us a few months ago that Swindon have one of the smallest management/coaching set-ups in the football league. Why leave a rookie manager with so little support?[/p][/quote]Mr Power and Mr Cooper don't seem to be the best of friends,imo.This is what the problem is. Coops body language summed it up last night, hands forced tightly into his jacket coat,not seeming happy at all in what should have been a show to get us to Wembley after a great 1st leg performance. 'Why leave a rookie manager with so little support?' To hang him out to dry? Cruel game sometimes. red white

2:36pm Tue 18 Feb 14

umpcah says...

Another view wrote:
Whatever most people have said on here, you can tell they're hurting after last night. I think what creates a lot of the frustration is not so much losing games, but not finishing off games that are there to be won.

Bearing in mind our manager is as much a rookie as a lot of his players are at this level, should Power not have found a wise old head who would be happy to help out? He told us a few months ago that Swindon have one of the smallest management/coaching set-ups in the football league.

Why leave a rookie manager with so little support?
Why leave a rookie manager with so little support? Low bank balance ?
[quote][p][bold]Another view[/bold] wrote: Whatever most people have said on here, you can tell they're hurting after last night. I think what creates a lot of the frustration is not so much losing games, but not finishing off games that are there to be won. Bearing in mind our manager is as much a rookie as a lot of his players are at this level, should Power not have found a wise old head who would be happy to help out? He told us a few months ago that Swindon have one of the smallest management/coaching set-ups in the football league. Why leave a rookie manager with so little support?[/p][/quote]Why leave a rookie manager with so little support? Low bank balance ? umpcah

2:36pm Tue 18 Feb 14

umpcah says...

Another view wrote:
Whatever most people have said on here, you can tell they're hurting after last night. I think what creates a lot of the frustration is not so much losing games, but not finishing off games that are there to be won.

Bearing in mind our manager is as much a rookie as a lot of his players are at this level, should Power not have found a wise old head who would be happy to help out? He told us a few months ago that Swindon have one of the smallest management/coaching set-ups in the football league.

Why leave a rookie manager with so little support?
Why leave a rookie manager with so little support? Low bank balance ?
[quote][p][bold]Another view[/bold] wrote: Whatever most people have said on here, you can tell they're hurting after last night. I think what creates a lot of the frustration is not so much losing games, but not finishing off games that are there to be won. Bearing in mind our manager is as much a rookie as a lot of his players are at this level, should Power not have found a wise old head who would be happy to help out? He told us a few months ago that Swindon have one of the smallest management/coaching set-ups in the football league. Why leave a rookie manager with so little support?[/p][/quote]Why leave a rookie manager with so little support? Low bank balance ? umpcah

2:41pm Tue 18 Feb 14

smirg kcab says...

Chish and Fips wrote:
smirg kcab wrote:
Old McDonald and cooper has cost this club thousands£ lost revenue.
Hope reis never puts a town shirt on again, he turned down many clubs to take a pen like that lol. Mind you fair play to him he was the only one who put his pen where he wanted it go.
Felt sorry for gladwin after cooper destroyed his career playing him as a forward
My god Grim you woke up in a bad mood this morning. ;o(
Bit harsh on the 2 players - must admit though there is some element of truth there. Gladwin looked lost and out his comfort zone.
I will not judge a player personally on one penalty, but hey lets move on and regroup.
Hey Chish yeah fuming still.
Haven't judged Reis on one pen miss I've judged him over the season, waste of space, no different to Navarro in my book.
Playing 4 wingers with gladwin upfront, when we looked odds on to go through only for him to do the unexplainable.
Cooper must rate gladwin as a forward more than storey and benson
Just a thought
[quote][p][bold]Chish and Fips[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]smirg kcab[/bold] wrote: Old McDonald and cooper has cost this club thousands£ lost revenue. Hope reis never puts a town shirt on again, he turned down many clubs to take a pen like that lol. Mind you fair play to him he was the only one who put his pen where he wanted it go. Felt sorry for gladwin after cooper destroyed his career playing him as a forward[/p][/quote]My god Grim you woke up in a bad mood this morning. ;o( Bit harsh on the 2 players - must admit though there is some element of truth there. Gladwin looked lost and out his comfort zone. I will not judge a player personally on one penalty, but hey lets move on and regroup.[/p][/quote]Hey Chish yeah fuming still. Haven't judged Reis on one pen miss I've judged him over the season, waste of space, no different to Navarro in my book. Playing 4 wingers with gladwin upfront, when we looked odds on to go through only for him to do the unexplainable. Cooper must rate gladwin as a forward more than storey and benson Just a thought smirg kcab

2:51pm Tue 18 Feb 14

RedRich says...

smirg kcab wrote:
RedRich wrote:
Very disappointing to lose on pens again. When I saw who the ref was I thought it would be a bad night. Keith Stroud has "done us" a couple of times before, he bottled the N'Guessan pen decision as he would of had to send their player off. Having seen the i definite pen & the expression on the Peterborough guy's face shows he was expecting the worst.

I'm not surprised Luongo missed his pen with the awful "music"/noise coming from the PA system. Having that row playing takes away the atmosphere. Anyway biased SKY will be happy, as I notice their Chairman was a guest summarizer last night (& in the away match Mikail-Smith former Posh player was the summarizer).
Also, that ruddy drum of theirs was a nuisance & should not of been there, funny how on some of the home turnstiles it says that no musical instruments are not allowed.

Sour grapes?, yes, felted cheated? (again) yes,

Roll on Saturday, the league is more important.

COYR
The league is more important?
Don't know where you was against Oldham? When he decided to play our second string side to win the famous jpt.
Get a reality check the season finished last night unless he can lose all games now to keep us out of relegation
Look forward to seeing gladwin again in attack under cooper, or perhaps in goal where I'm sure he would have looked more comfortable.
Sorry to say after supporting cooper for most of the season it's time for change.
Only50 minuses for my first post look forward to many more on this one, the truth hurts you sick lot
You really are nice guy! not, insulting to call everyone a sick lot, it's only your opinion that's allowed is it?

The league is always more important than the cup. I WAS there v Oldham as always. I may not agree with team selections on occasions but I support STFC & whoever the manager & the players are,thankful I still have a team to follow after the financial problems etc. Time for a change? maybe, play offs maybe unlikely seeing how strong especially Wolves, Brentford & Preston are. Reality, at the start of the season, no one really would have predicted we would be in the top half of the table & of had a cup run.
[quote][p][bold]smirg kcab[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]RedRich[/bold] wrote: Very disappointing to lose on pens again. When I saw who the ref was I thought it would be a bad night. Keith Stroud has "done us" a couple of times before, he bottled the N'Guessan pen decision as he would of had to send their player off. Having seen the i definite pen & the expression on the Peterborough guy's face shows he was expecting the worst. I'm not surprised Luongo missed his pen with the awful "music"/noise coming from the PA system. Having that row playing takes away the atmosphere. Anyway biased SKY will be happy, as I notice their Chairman was a guest summarizer last night (& in the away match Mikail-Smith former Posh player was the summarizer). Also, that ruddy drum of theirs was a nuisance & should not of been there, funny how on some of the home turnstiles it says that no musical instruments are not allowed. Sour grapes?, yes, felted cheated? (again) yes, Roll on Saturday, the league is more important. COYR[/p][/quote]The league is more important? Don't know where you was against Oldham? When he decided to play our second string side to win the famous jpt. Get a reality check the season finished last night unless he can lose all games now to keep us out of relegation Look forward to seeing gladwin again in attack under cooper, or perhaps in goal where I'm sure he would have looked more comfortable. Sorry to say after supporting cooper for most of the season it's time for change. Only50 minuses for my first post look forward to many more on this one, the truth hurts you sick lot[/p][/quote]You really are nice guy! not, insulting to call everyone a sick lot, it's only your opinion that's allowed is it? The league is always more important than the cup. I WAS there v Oldham as always. I may not agree with team selections on occasions but I support STFC & whoever the manager & the players are,thankful I still have a team to follow after the financial problems etc. Time for a change? maybe, play offs maybe unlikely seeing how strong especially Wolves, Brentford & Preston are. Reality, at the start of the season, no one really would have predicted we would be in the top half of the table & of had a cup run. RedRich

3:26pm Tue 18 Feb 14

We are PANTS says...

Cookie43 wrote:
themoonraker wrote:
Cookie43 wrote:
We are PANTS wrote: Well done to the loyal 6,300 Swindon fans last night for trying to lift the players by being the 12th man.. Shame about the armchair supporters who watched it at home yet still have the gaul to come on here slating the management and team... Do us loyals a favour and move up the A420 some 30 odd miles...
Here here Spot on that man!!
..........I'm afraid to say that it is comments like that, from a$$holes like you that stop 'the armchair fans'from coming along. No doubt you are two of the 'fans' who ridicule newcomers whern they attend for not having your in depth knowledge of our team........sorry but I think if you two ( and others with the same patronising attitude ) were to ''move up the A420 some 30 odd miles'' we may actually gain more fans once they know that they wil not be verbally abused for not having attended more games. Oh how good you both must feel having given yourselfs the accolade of 'true fans' your self praise shows how opinionated and self important you both deem yourselfs to be!
Nothing to do with new fans coming to attend games I welcome new fans my god we need them. In fact i brought along two new fans last friday for the game and they came again last night. Try reading the posts the gripe is with existing so called fans who moan and groan and stay away which costs the club and team. Who then continue to complain where if they were to attend then the club would benifit financially and perhaps be able to afford better players etc. I would welcome new fans anytime. So the only patronising As.hole is you myfriend try reading the posts!@
Thanks Cookie.... ;-) Some people just dont like hearing the way it really is...
[quote][p][bold]Cookie43[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]themoonraker[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Cookie43[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]We are PANTS[/bold] wrote: Well done to the loyal 6,300 Swindon fans last night for trying to lift the players by being the 12th man.. Shame about the armchair supporters who watched it at home yet still have the gaul to come on here slating the management and team... Do us loyals a favour and move up the A420 some 30 odd miles...[/p][/quote]Here here Spot on that man!![/p][/quote]..........I'm afraid to say that it is comments like that, from a$$holes like you that stop 'the armchair fans'from coming along. No doubt you are two of the 'fans' who ridicule newcomers whern they attend for not having your in depth knowledge of our team........sorry but I think if you two ( and others with the same patronising attitude ) were to ''move up the A420 some 30 odd miles'' we may actually gain more fans once they know that they wil not be verbally abused for not having attended more games. Oh how good you both must feel having given yourselfs the accolade of 'true fans' your self praise shows how opinionated and self important you both deem yourselfs to be![/p][/quote]Nothing to do with new fans coming to attend games I welcome new fans my god we need them. In fact i brought along two new fans last friday for the game and they came again last night. Try reading the posts the gripe is with existing so called fans who moan and groan and stay away which costs the club and team. Who then continue to complain where if they were to attend then the club would benifit financially and perhaps be able to afford better players etc. I would welcome new fans anytime. So the only patronising As.hole is you myfriend try reading the posts!@[/p][/quote]Thanks Cookie.... ;-) Some people just dont like hearing the way it really is... We are PANTS

3:29pm Tue 18 Feb 14

sagadude says...

Looking at the remaining fixtures I cannot see us winning much of them.

The Cooper supporters will be asking for his head like the rest of us in a few weeks.

So many missed opportunities with this setup.
Looking at the remaining fixtures I cannot see us winning much of them. The Cooper supporters will be asking for his head like the rest of us in a few weeks. So many missed opportunities with this setup. sagadude

3:39pm Tue 18 Feb 14

lifelong red says...

Just a word about Nile Ranger- what with the forthcoming court case and now the injury ,I can only hope ,at the end of it all ,he"s back with us for next season- and if he can drive out those demons that seem to possess him outside the game -then what an asset he will be to our football club- last night game only illustrated how sorely he will be missed - maybe asking the impossible here - but can only hope.
Just a word about Nile Ranger- what with the forthcoming court case and now the injury ,I can only hope ,at the end of it all ,he"s back with us for next season- and if he can drive out those demons that seem to possess him outside the game -then what an asset he will be to our football club- last night game only illustrated how sorely he will be missed - maybe asking the impossible here - but can only hope. lifelong red

3:49pm Tue 18 Feb 14

Swindon1984 says...

jillyh wrote:
Swindon1984 wrote:
jillyh wrote: Some people missing the point here. I am glad you have the money to see what I can only describe as a mediocre side and shambles of management. This feels all too familiar to me as seen too many times how poor management has ruined everything. Speaking only for myself I cannot afford it. Also before you accuse me of being an armchair supporter I live too far out to get radio coverage.
Kind of ties in to my last point - if you think the team and management are a shambles and are choosing to stay away for that reason, why feel the need to comment on it? Also, if by your own admission you're not seeing your team play, how can you call them a shambles? Does no-one else see the irony here??
Can you please read a post before commenting as I attend all home games as I am a season ticket holder. It's the future I fear for.
Nowhere in there does it say you're a season ticket holder - I'm not a mind reader. Anyway, I still see a lot of the comments on here as a knee jerk reaction - we really didn't play badly last night as opposed to some recent games in the league where we've been poor. Think some thought Wembley was in the bag and feel like they've been robbed. I only though if we were level going into the home tie we'd have a chance - we gave ourselves that chance and it didn't work out over the penalties.

Maybe with hindsight it's a good thing we didn't get there, left feeling totally dejected on the last two visits...
[quote][p][bold]jillyh[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Swindon1984[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]jillyh[/bold] wrote: Some people missing the point here. I am glad you have the money to see what I can only describe as a mediocre side and shambles of management. This feels all too familiar to me as seen too many times how poor management has ruined everything. Speaking only for myself I cannot afford it. Also before you accuse me of being an armchair supporter I live too far out to get radio coverage.[/p][/quote]Kind of ties in to my last point - if you think the team and management are a shambles and are choosing to stay away for that reason, why feel the need to comment on it? Also, if by your own admission you're not seeing your team play, how can you call them a shambles? Does no-one else see the irony here??[/p][/quote]Can you please read a post before commenting as I attend all home games as I am a season ticket holder. It's the future I fear for.[/p][/quote]Nowhere in there does it say you're a season ticket holder - I'm not a mind reader. Anyway, I still see a lot of the comments on here as a knee jerk reaction - we really didn't play badly last night as opposed to some recent games in the league where we've been poor. Think some thought Wembley was in the bag and feel like they've been robbed. I only though if we were level going into the home tie we'd have a chance - we gave ourselves that chance and it didn't work out over the penalties. Maybe with hindsight it's a good thing we didn't get there, left feeling totally dejected on the last two visits... Swindon1984

3:57pm Tue 18 Feb 14

Oxon-Red says...

sagadude wrote:
Looking at the remaining fixtures I cannot see us winning much of them. The Cooper supporters will be asking for his head like the rest of us in a few weeks. So many missed opportunities with this setup.
Was going to suggest you book a SagaCruise to cheer yourself up you wouldn't have to worry about the remaining games of the season but that would be unfair on those that have already booked.

Let's get rid of Cooper bring in someone else to moan about so we can get rid of them when we get fed up with them. We could make it an annual event "STFC New Manager Day" every April 1st.

We could provide young up and coming managers the chance to get one year's experience. Why would we need them for longer, we don't need stability and we certainly don't want to give anyone a chance to prove themselves.

Why have patience when we can have impatience we all know we should be winning every game and that the best players/managers are crying out to join us.

Perspective required, STFC at the start of the season were 33/1 to win League 1. Thats mid-table or lower in the view of the bookies.

COYMR
[quote][p][bold]sagadude[/bold] wrote: Looking at the remaining fixtures I cannot see us winning much of them. The Cooper supporters will be asking for his head like the rest of us in a few weeks. So many missed opportunities with this setup.[/p][/quote]Was going to suggest you book a SagaCruise to cheer yourself up you wouldn't have to worry about the remaining games of the season but that would be unfair on those that have already booked. Let's get rid of Cooper bring in someone else to moan about so we can get rid of them when we get fed up with them. We could make it an annual event "STFC New Manager Day" every April 1st. We could provide young up and coming managers the chance to get one year's experience. Why would we need them for longer, we don't need stability and we certainly don't want to give anyone a chance to prove themselves. Why have patience when we can have impatience we all know we should be winning every game and that the best players/managers are crying out to join us. Perspective required, STFC at the start of the season were 33/1 to win League 1. Thats mid-table or lower in the view of the bookies. COYMR Oxon-Red

4:08pm Tue 18 Feb 14

smirg kcab says...

RedRich wrote:
smirg kcab wrote:
RedRich wrote:
Very disappointing to lose on pens again. When I saw who the ref was I thought it would be a bad night. Keith Stroud has "done us" a couple of times before, he bottled the N'Guessan pen decision as he would of had to send their player off. Having seen the i definite pen & the expression on the Peterborough guy's face shows he was expecting the worst.

I'm not surprised Luongo missed his pen with the awful "music"/noise coming from the PA system. Having that row playing takes away the atmosphere. Anyway biased SKY will be happy, as I notice their Chairman was a guest summarizer last night (& in the away match Mikail-Smith former Posh player was the summarizer).
Also, that ruddy drum of theirs was a nuisance & should not of been there, funny how on some of the home turnstiles it says that no musical instruments are not allowed.

Sour grapes?, yes, felted cheated? (again) yes,

Roll on Saturday, the league is more important.

COYR
The league is more important?
Don't know where you was against Oldham? When he decided to play our second string side to win the famous jpt.
Get a reality check the season finished last night unless he can lose all games now to keep us out of relegation
Look forward to seeing gladwin again in attack under cooper, or perhaps in goal where I'm sure he would have looked more comfortable.
Sorry to say after supporting cooper for most of the season it's time for change.
Only50 minuses for my first post look forward to many more on this one, the truth hurts you sick lot
You really are nice guy! not, insulting to call everyone a sick lot, it's only your opinion that's allowed is it?

The league is always more important than the cup. I WAS there v Oldham as always. I may not agree with team selections on occasions but I support STFC & whoever the manager & the players are,thankful I still have a team to follow after the financial problems etc. Time for a change? maybe, play offs maybe unlikely seeing how strong especially Wolves, Brentford & Preston are. Reality, at the start of the season, no one really would have predicted we would be in the top half of the table & of had a cup run.
Sorry redrich the sick lot was not for you.
I replied to your post regarding the league is more important than the jpt.
The point I was trying to make to you(and still don't get it) cooper regarded the jpt as top priorty hence why he dropped kasim and ranger and we lost to a relegation fodder team.also if he was interested in the playoffs any manager
playing at home against another poor side would have got Fridays nights fiasco called off at 6.30 when the sidelines was under water.
Just a thought
[quote][p][bold]RedRich[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]smirg kcab[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]RedRich[/bold] wrote: Very disappointing to lose on pens again. When I saw who the ref was I thought it would be a bad night. Keith Stroud has "done us" a couple of times before, he bottled the N'Guessan pen decision as he would of had to send their player off. Having seen the i definite pen & the expression on the Peterborough guy's face shows he was expecting the worst. I'm not surprised Luongo missed his pen with the awful "music"/noise coming from the PA system. Having that row playing takes away the atmosphere. Anyway biased SKY will be happy, as I notice their Chairman was a guest summarizer last night (& in the away match Mikail-Smith former Posh player was the summarizer). Also, that ruddy drum of theirs was a nuisance & should not of been there, funny how on some of the home turnstiles it says that no musical instruments are not allowed. Sour grapes?, yes, felted cheated? (again) yes, Roll on Saturday, the league is more important. COYR[/p][/quote]The league is more important? Don't know where you was against Oldham? When he decided to play our second string side to win the famous jpt. Get a reality check the season finished last night unless he can lose all games now to keep us out of relegation Look forward to seeing gladwin again in attack under cooper, or perhaps in goal where I'm sure he would have looked more comfortable. Sorry to say after supporting cooper for most of the season it's time for change. Only50 minuses for my first post look forward to many more on this one, the truth hurts you sick lot[/p][/quote]You really are nice guy! not, insulting to call everyone a sick lot, it's only your opinion that's allowed is it? The league is always more important than the cup. I WAS there v Oldham as always. I may not agree with team selections on occasions but I support STFC & whoever the manager & the players are,thankful I still have a team to follow after the financial problems etc. Time for a change? maybe, play offs maybe unlikely seeing how strong especially Wolves, Brentford & Preston are. Reality, at the start of the season, no one really would have predicted we would be in the top half of the table & of had a cup run.[/p][/quote]Sorry redrich the sick lot was not for you. I replied to your post regarding the league is more important than the jpt. The point I was trying to make to you(and still don't get it) cooper regarded the jpt as top priorty hence why he dropped kasim and ranger and we lost to a relegation fodder team.also if he was interested in the playoffs any manager playing at home against another poor side would have got Fridays nights fiasco called off at 6.30 when the sidelines was under water. Just a thought smirg kcab

4:12pm Tue 18 Feb 14

The Gladiator says...

Shame away goals didn't count double as we would be celebrating an excellent draw and a Wembley trip against I may add a very good Peterborough side. The same old cynics are spouting their filth on here again, without ever really offering any solution. Don't forget the side is still in massive financial transition and costs had to be reduced for us to survive. 45 minutes away from a Wembley Final and on the fringes of the Play Off positions this season for me has been a minor miracle, I fully expected at the start of the season to be bottom of the league and be relegated. And wait for it, the seasons not over yet! Please support our side positively!
Shame away goals didn't count double as we would be celebrating an excellent draw and a Wembley trip against I may add a very good Peterborough side. The same old cynics are spouting their filth on here again, without ever really offering any solution. Don't forget the side is still in massive financial transition and costs had to be reduced for us to survive. 45 minutes away from a Wembley Final and on the fringes of the Play Off positions this season for me has been a minor miracle, I fully expected at the start of the season to be bottom of the league and be relegated. And wait for it, the seasons not over yet! Please support our side positively! The Gladiator

4:56pm Tue 18 Feb 14

alchafreds says...

tobruk wrote:
Here go the knockers again!! It was the referee that cost us the game, not Reis and Luongo!A blatant penalty not given by a weak and biased referee. I smelled a rat when he booked our player for a fair tackle after a clear foul by a Posh player, and not to give the penalty was too obvious and a disgrace. What are the linesmen for, just to wave a flag now and again, and what's the point of a fourth official?
absolutely the ref (if you can call him that) cost us the game ,thought we had to play 12 on their heep of a pitch but this joker was a cheating bas,tard ..not got a clue what these assesers do or what game they watch but this cheating bas,tard should be bombed out of the football league .
[quote][p][bold]tobruk[/bold] wrote: Here go the knockers again!! It was the referee that cost us the game, not Reis and Luongo!A blatant penalty not given by a weak and biased referee. I smelled a rat when he booked our player for a fair tackle after a clear foul by a Posh player, and not to give the penalty was too obvious and a disgrace. What are the linesmen for, just to wave a flag now and again, and what's the point of a fourth official?[/p][/quote]absolutely the ref (if you can call him that) cost us the game ,thought we had to play 12 on their heep of a pitch but this joker was a cheating bas,tard ..not got a clue what these assesers do or what game they watch but this cheating bas,tard should be bombed out of the football league . alchafreds

5:11pm Tue 18 Feb 14

smirg kcab says...

The Gladiator wrote:
Shame away goals didn't count double as we would be celebrating an excellent draw and a Wembley trip against I may add a very good Peterborough side. The same old cynics are spouting their filth on here again, without ever really offering any solution. Don't forget the side is still in massive financial transition and costs had to be reduced for us to survive. 45 minutes away from a Wembley Final and on the fringes of the Play Off positions this season for me has been a minor miracle, I fully expected at the start of the season to be bottom of the league and be relegated. And wait for it, the seasons not over yet! Please support our side positively!
The cost will be reduced again next after cooper dumped us out of the cup single handed. Good news is you can all pay an extra £1.09p for his failure
[quote][p][bold]The Gladiator[/bold] wrote: Shame away goals didn't count double as we would be celebrating an excellent draw and a Wembley trip against I may add a very good Peterborough side. The same old cynics are spouting their filth on here again, without ever really offering any solution. Don't forget the side is still in massive financial transition and costs had to be reduced for us to survive. 45 minutes away from a Wembley Final and on the fringes of the Play Off positions this season for me has been a minor miracle, I fully expected at the start of the season to be bottom of the league and be relegated. And wait for it, the seasons not over yet! Please support our side positively![/p][/quote]The cost will be reduced again next after cooper dumped us out of the cup single handed. Good news is you can all pay an extra £1.09p for his failure smirg kcab

5:17pm Tue 18 Feb 14

Swindon1984 says...

Oxon-Red wrote:
sagadude wrote:
Looking at the remaining fixtures I cannot see us winning much of them. The Cooper supporters will be asking for his head like the rest of us in a few weeks. So many missed opportunities with this setup.
Was going to suggest you book a SagaCruise to cheer yourself up you wouldn't have to worry about the remaining games of the season but that would be unfair on those that have already booked.

Let's get rid of Cooper bring in someone else to moan about so we can get rid of them when we get fed up with them. We could make it an annual event "STFC New Manager Day" every April 1st.

We could provide young up and coming managers the chance to get one year's experience. Why would we need them for longer, we don't need stability and we certainly don't want to give anyone a chance to prove themselves.

Why have patience when we can have impatience we all know we should be winning every game and that the best players/managers are crying out to join us.

Perspective required, STFC at the start of the season were 33/1 to win League 1. Thats mid-table or lower in the view of the bookies.

COYMR
Have to agree - what I'm hearing from a lot of people is "we want success and we want it now" - they're also saying they want ticket prices to remain the same or go down. Now I'm not a mathematician but that just doesn't compute. We're still operating at a loss with the current wage bill, so what people are asking for is either an oil baron to sweep in and subsidise their season tickets, whilst simultaneously bank-rolling expensive signings (which wouldn't in themselves bring success necessarily), or for the club to perform miracles by getting out of league 1 and consolidate in the championship on a shoe string. Neither is going to happen people!

What the current regime are trying to do is build for the future, so that we can realistically look at promotion without bankrupting the club - this takes time, and astute planning and execution in the transfer market.

If I were Power reading this I'd honestly wonder why I bothered involving myself with the club - we'll have exceeded realistic expectations if we finish the season where we are now having had a decent cup run, all whilst reducing the playing budget. But that's not enough for some.

Is it just me who thinks the journey is half the fun? I.E. I will have great memories (and a lot not so great) of this season even if it finishes with us in the same league we started in. QPR away, Wolves away, I could go on. They were great times. To some, none of the individual games matter - unless there's trophy or promotion at the end of it, it just isn't worthwhile for them. It makes me wonder given how rare we achieve a trophy or promotion, do some people ever really enjoy their football?

Things seem to have gotten too serious, with success being the be all and end all. I'd love success, and I think we should have ambition, but I also think of supporting the town as being a hobby of sorts that I enjoy, it takes up my leisure time and the experience of going to a football match whether we win or lose is always something to look forward to. Yes, you can leave feeling dejected, cheated, disappointed etc but it's the memory and the prospect of the good times that bring you back. Not trying to romanticise the whole thing but if losing one game causes town fans so much grief they must have very unhappy lives, because there'll be a whole lot more disappointment before the celebrations! Just try to enjoy it for what it is.
[quote][p][bold]Oxon-Red[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]sagadude[/bold] wrote: Looking at the remaining fixtures I cannot see us winning much of them. The Cooper supporters will be asking for his head like the rest of us in a few weeks. So many missed opportunities with this setup.[/p][/quote]Was going to suggest you book a SagaCruise to cheer yourself up you wouldn't have to worry about the remaining games of the season but that would be unfair on those that have already booked. Let's get rid of Cooper bring in someone else to moan about so we can get rid of them when we get fed up with them. We could make it an annual event "STFC New Manager Day" every April 1st. We could provide young up and coming managers the chance to get one year's experience. Why would we need them for longer, we don't need stability and we certainly don't want to give anyone a chance to prove themselves. Why have patience when we can have impatience we all know we should be winning every game and that the best players/managers are crying out to join us. Perspective required, STFC at the start of the season were 33/1 to win League 1. Thats mid-table or lower in the view of the bookies. COYMR[/p][/quote]Have to agree - what I'm hearing from a lot of people is "we want success and we want it now" - they're also saying they want ticket prices to remain the same or go down. Now I'm not a mathematician but that just doesn't compute. We're still operating at a loss with the current wage bill, so what people are asking for is either an oil baron to sweep in and subsidise their season tickets, whilst simultaneously bank-rolling expensive signings (which wouldn't in themselves bring success necessarily), or for the club to perform miracles by getting out of league 1 and consolidate in the championship on a shoe string. Neither is going to happen people! What the current regime are trying to do is build for the future, so that we can realistically look at promotion without bankrupting the club - this takes time, and astute planning and execution in the transfer market. If I were Power reading this I'd honestly wonder why I bothered involving myself with the club - we'll have exceeded realistic expectations if we finish the season where we are now having had a decent cup run, all whilst reducing the playing budget. But that's not enough for some. Is it just me who thinks the journey is half the fun? I.E. I will have great memories (and a lot not so great) of this season even if it finishes with us in the same league we started in. QPR away, Wolves away, I could go on. They were great times. To some, none of the individual games matter - unless there's trophy or promotion at the end of it, it just isn't worthwhile for them. It makes me wonder given how rare we achieve a trophy or promotion, do some people ever really enjoy their football? Things seem to have gotten too serious, with success being the be all and end all. I'd love success, and I think we should have ambition, but I also think of supporting the town as being a hobby of sorts that I enjoy, it takes up my leisure time and the experience of going to a football match whether we win or lose is always something to look forward to. Yes, you can leave feeling dejected, cheated, disappointed etc but it's the memory and the prospect of the good times that bring you back. Not trying to romanticise the whole thing but if losing one game causes town fans so much grief they must have very unhappy lives, because there'll be a whole lot more disappointment before the celebrations! Just try to enjoy it for what it is. Swindon1984

5:25pm Tue 18 Feb 14

andy5364 says...

smirg kcab wrote:
RedRich wrote:
Very disappointing to lose on pens again. When I saw who the ref was I thought it would be a bad night. Keith Stroud has "done us" a couple of times before, he bottled the N'Guessan pen decision as he would of had to send their player off. Having seen the i definite pen & the expression on the Peterborough guy's face shows he was expecting the worst.

I'm not surprised Luongo missed his pen with the awful "music"/noise coming from the PA system. Having that row playing takes away the atmosphere. Anyway biased SKY will be happy, as I notice their Chairman was a guest summarizer last night (& in the away match Mikail-Smith former Posh player was the summarizer).
Also, that ruddy drum of theirs was a nuisance & should not of been there, funny how on some of the home turnstiles it says that no musical instruments are not allowed.

Sour grapes?, yes, felted cheated? (again) yes,

Roll on Saturday, the league is more important.

COYR
The league is more important?
Don't know where you was against Oldham? When he decided to play our second string side to win the famous jpt.
Get a reality check the season finished last night unless he can lose all games now to keep us out of relegation
Look forward to seeing gladwin again in attack under cooper, or perhaps in goal where I'm sure he would have looked more comfortable.
Sorry to say after supporting cooper for most of the season it's time for change.
Only50 minuses for my first post look forward to many more on this one, the truth hurts you sick lot
God ur boring .
[quote][p][bold]smirg kcab[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]RedRich[/bold] wrote: Very disappointing to lose on pens again. When I saw who the ref was I thought it would be a bad night. Keith Stroud has "done us" a couple of times before, he bottled the N'Guessan pen decision as he would of had to send their player off. Having seen the i definite pen & the expression on the Peterborough guy's face shows he was expecting the worst. I'm not surprised Luongo missed his pen with the awful "music"/noise coming from the PA system. Having that row playing takes away the atmosphere. Anyway biased SKY will be happy, as I notice their Chairman was a guest summarizer last night (& in the away match Mikail-Smith former Posh player was the summarizer). Also, that ruddy drum of theirs was a nuisance & should not of been there, funny how on some of the home turnstiles it says that no musical instruments are not allowed. Sour grapes?, yes, felted cheated? (again) yes, Roll on Saturday, the league is more important. COYR[/p][/quote]The league is more important? Don't know where you was against Oldham? When he decided to play our second string side to win the famous jpt. Get a reality check the season finished last night unless he can lose all games now to keep us out of relegation Look forward to seeing gladwin again in attack under cooper, or perhaps in goal where I'm sure he would have looked more comfortable. Sorry to say after supporting cooper for most of the season it's time for change. Only50 minuses for my first post look forward to many more on this one, the truth hurts you sick lot[/p][/quote]God ur boring . andy5364

5:39pm Tue 18 Feb 14

whats that says...

Swindon1984 wrote:
Oxon-Red wrote:
sagadude wrote:
Looking at the remaining fixtures I cannot see us winning much of them. The Cooper supporters will be asking for his head like the rest of us in a few weeks. So many missed opportunities with this setup.
Was going to suggest you book a SagaCruise to cheer yourself up you wouldn't have to worry about the remaining games of the season but that would be unfair on those that have already booked.

Let's get rid of Cooper bring in someone else to moan about so we can get rid of them when we get fed up with them. We could make it an annual event "STFC New Manager Day" every April 1st.

We could provide young up and coming managers the chance to get one year's experience. Why would we need them for longer, we don't need stability and we certainly don't want to give anyone a chance to prove themselves.

Why have patience when we can have impatience we all know we should be winning every game and that the best players/managers are crying out to join us.

Perspective required, STFC at the start of the season were 33/1 to win League 1. Thats mid-table or lower in the view of the bookies.

COYMR
Have to agree - what I'm hearing from a lot of people is "we want success and we want it now" - they're also saying they want ticket prices to remain the same or go down. Now I'm not a mathematician but that just doesn't compute. We're still operating at a loss with the current wage bill, so what people are asking for is either an oil baron to sweep in and subsidise their season tickets, whilst simultaneously bank-rolling expensive signings (which wouldn't in themselves bring success necessarily), or for the club to perform miracles by getting out of league 1 and consolidate in the championship on a shoe string. Neither is going to happen people!

What the current regime are trying to do is build for the future, so that we can realistically look at promotion without bankrupting the club - this takes time, and astute planning and execution in the transfer market.

If I were Power reading this I'd honestly wonder why I bothered involving myself with the club - we'll have exceeded realistic expectations if we finish the season where we are now having had a decent cup run, all whilst reducing the playing budget. But that's not enough for some.

Is it just me who thinks the journey is half the fun? I.E. I will have great memories (and a lot not so great) of this season even if it finishes with us in the same league we started in. QPR away, Wolves away, I could go on. They were great times. To some, none of the individual games matter - unless there's trophy or promotion at the end of it, it just isn't worthwhile for them. It makes me wonder given how rare we achieve a trophy or promotion, do some people ever really enjoy their football?

Things seem to have gotten too serious, with success being the be all and end all. I'd love success, and I think we should have ambition, but I also think of supporting the town as being a hobby of sorts that I enjoy, it takes up my leisure time and the experience of going to a football match whether we win or lose is always something to look forward to. Yes, you can leave feeling dejected, cheated, disappointed etc but it's the memory and the prospect of the good times that bring you back. Not trying to romanticise the whole thing but if losing one game causes town fans so much grief they must have very unhappy lives, because there'll be a whole lot more disappointment before the celebrations! Just try to enjoy it for what it is.
Post of the day!
[quote][p][bold]Swindon1984[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Oxon-Red[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]sagadude[/bold] wrote: Looking at the remaining fixtures I cannot see us winning much of them. The Cooper supporters will be asking for his head like the rest of us in a few weeks. So many missed opportunities with this setup.[/p][/quote]Was going to suggest you book a SagaCruise to cheer yourself up you wouldn't have to worry about the remaining games of the season but that would be unfair on those that have already booked. Let's get rid of Cooper bring in someone else to moan about so we can get rid of them when we get fed up with them. We could make it an annual event "STFC New Manager Day" every April 1st. We could provide young up and coming managers the chance to get one year's experience. Why would we need them for longer, we don't need stability and we certainly don't want to give anyone a chance to prove themselves. Why have patience when we can have impatience we all know we should be winning every game and that the best players/managers are crying out to join us. Perspective required, STFC at the start of the season were 33/1 to win League 1. Thats mid-table or lower in the view of the bookies. COYMR[/p][/quote]Have to agree - what I'm hearing from a lot of people is "we want success and we want it now" - they're also saying they want ticket prices to remain the same or go down. Now I'm not a mathematician but that just doesn't compute. We're still operating at a loss with the current wage bill, so what people are asking for is either an oil baron to sweep in and subsidise their season tickets, whilst simultaneously bank-rolling expensive signings (which wouldn't in themselves bring success necessarily), or for the club to perform miracles by getting out of league 1 and consolidate in the championship on a shoe string. Neither is going to happen people! What the current regime are trying to do is build for the future, so that we can realistically look at promotion without bankrupting the club - this takes time, and astute planning and execution in the transfer market. If I were Power reading this I'd honestly wonder why I bothered involving myself with the club - we'll have exceeded realistic expectations if we finish the season where we are now having had a decent cup run, all whilst reducing the playing budget. But that's not enough for some. Is it just me who thinks the journey is half the fun? I.E. I will have great memories (and a lot not so great) of this season even if it finishes with us in the same league we started in. QPR away, Wolves away, I could go on. They were great times. To some, none of the individual games matter - unless there's trophy or promotion at the end of it, it just isn't worthwhile for them. It makes me wonder given how rare we achieve a trophy or promotion, do some people ever really enjoy their football? Things seem to have gotten too serious, with success being the be all and end all. I'd love success, and I think we should have ambition, but I also think of supporting the town as being a hobby of sorts that I enjoy, it takes up my leisure time and the experience of going to a football match whether we win or lose is always something to look forward to. Yes, you can leave feeling dejected, cheated, disappointed etc but it's the memory and the prospect of the good times that bring you back. Not trying to romanticise the whole thing but if losing one game causes town fans so much grief they must have very unhappy lives, because there'll be a whole lot more disappointment before the celebrations! Just try to enjoy it for what it is.[/p][/quote]Post of the day! whats that

5:44pm Tue 18 Feb 14

Cricklade Reds says...

Oxon-Red wrote:
Couple of points:

1. Miles was loaned out before the injury to Nile when the striker shortage was not an issue.
2. In the last 10 minutes of the 1st half Posh were having a lot of success attacking down the right hand side. Second half they were nowhere near as successful in that area. Bad tactics to snuff out the very live threat they were posing ?

COYMR
However Nile Ranger is in court next week and would not have been available. I really taken to Smith as the main striker however think Storey would be a lot better than Barker playing off him. In the supporters favourite 4-4-2.
[quote][p][bold]Oxon-Red[/bold] wrote: Couple of points: 1. Miles was loaned out before the injury to Nile when the striker shortage was not an issue. 2. In the last 10 minutes of the 1st half Posh were having a lot of success attacking down the right hand side. Second half they were nowhere near as successful in that area. Bad tactics to snuff out the very live threat they were posing ? COYMR[/p][/quote]However Nile Ranger is in court next week and would not have been available. I really taken to Smith as the main striker however think Storey would be a lot better than Barker playing off him. In the supporters favourite 4-4-2. Cricklade Reds

5:59pm Tue 18 Feb 14

Oxon-Red says...

Cricklade Reds wrote:
Oxon-Red wrote: Couple of points: 1. Miles was loaned out before the injury to Nile when the striker shortage was not an issue. 2. In the last 10 minutes of the 1st half Posh were having a lot of success attacking down the right hand side. Second half they were nowhere near as successful in that area. Bad tactics to snuff out the very live threat they were posing ? COYMR
However Nile Ranger is in court next week and would not have been available. I really taken to Smith as the main striker however think Storey would be a lot better than Barker playing off him. In the supporters favourite 4-4-2.
Dany in court as well ?

He played the target man role superbly last night and is available til the end of the season (or have I missed something). Miles is loaned fo a month, I hope he does well and returns with some experience under his belt.

He is being talked of as if he is the Messiah (I'll avoid Monty Python) and he alone can save us. Big ask for a player I don't believe is ready yet.

COYMR
[quote][p][bold]Cricklade Reds[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Oxon-Red[/bold] wrote: Couple of points: 1. Miles was loaned out before the injury to Nile when the striker shortage was not an issue. 2. In the last 10 minutes of the 1st half Posh were having a lot of success attacking down the right hand side. Second half they were nowhere near as successful in that area. Bad tactics to snuff out the very live threat they were posing ? COYMR[/p][/quote]However Nile Ranger is in court next week and would not have been available. I really taken to Smith as the main striker however think Storey would be a lot better than Barker playing off him. In the supporters favourite 4-4-2.[/p][/quote]Dany in court as well ? He played the target man role superbly last night and is available til the end of the season (or have I missed something). Miles is loaned fo a month, I hope he does well and returns with some experience under his belt. He is being talked of as if he is the Messiah (I'll avoid Monty Python) and he alone can save us. Big ask for a player I don't believe is ready yet. COYMR Oxon-Red

6:11pm Tue 18 Feb 14

smirg kcab says...

Oxon-Red wrote:
Cricklade Reds wrote:
Oxon-Red wrote: Couple of points: 1. Miles was loaned out before the injury to Nile when the striker shortage was not an issue. 2. In the last 10 minutes of the 1st half Posh were having a lot of success attacking down the right hand side. Second half they were nowhere near as successful in that area. Bad tactics to snuff out the very live threat they were posing ? COYMR
However Nile Ranger is in court next week and would not have been available. I really taken to Smith as the main striker however think Storey would be a lot better than Barker playing off him. In the supporters favourite 4-4-2.
Dany in court as well ?

He played the target man role superbly last night and is available til the end of the season (or have I missed something). Miles is loaned fo a month, I hope he does well and returns with some experience under his belt.

He is being talked of as if he is the Messiah (I'll avoid Monty Python) and he alone can save us. Big ask for a player I don't believe is ready yet.

COYMR
Miles not ready to play upfront?
So gladwin has experience to play and lead the attack before him?
[quote][p][bold]Oxon-Red[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Cricklade Reds[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Oxon-Red[/bold] wrote: Couple of points: 1. Miles was loaned out before the injury to Nile when the striker shortage was not an issue. 2. In the last 10 minutes of the 1st half Posh were having a lot of success attacking down the right hand side. Second half they were nowhere near as successful in that area. Bad tactics to snuff out the very live threat they were posing ? COYMR[/p][/quote]However Nile Ranger is in court next week and would not have been available. I really taken to Smith as the main striker however think Storey would be a lot better than Barker playing off him. In the supporters favourite 4-4-2.[/p][/quote]Dany in court as well ? He played the target man role superbly last night and is available til the end of the season (or have I missed something). Miles is loaned fo a month, I hope he does well and returns with some experience under his belt. He is being talked of as if he is the Messiah (I'll avoid Monty Python) and he alone can save us. Big ask for a player I don't believe is ready yet. COYMR[/p][/quote]Miles not ready to play upfront? So gladwin has experience to play and lead the attack before him? smirg kcab

6:35pm Tue 18 Feb 14

Is that you Lovesey says...

Dont care about this game it meant nothing and still means nothing, important we keep the form going into the Orient game, TAH should be kept, but now we will be cutting budget to 1.5 million on wages I cant see us managing it. The guy is a very good player, I would take him over 5 halls at the back.
Dont care about this game it meant nothing and still means nothing, important we keep the form going into the Orient game, TAH should be kept, but now we will be cutting budget to 1.5 million on wages I cant see us managing it. The guy is a very good player, I would take him over 5 halls at the back. Is that you Lovesey

7:13pm Tue 18 Feb 14

subbuteoles says...

We are Pants. I,m a courier driver in Poxford and don,t finish work til 6.30pm so midweek games are a no no for me. As for loyal supporters moving 30 miles up the A420, i,m already there in Abingdon. Also i,d like to add that i,ve been a Swindon fan for 53 years now long before you were a Tadpole in your Dads bag!.
We are Pants. I,m a courier driver in Poxford and don,t finish work til 6.30pm so midweek games are a no no for me. As for loyal supporters moving 30 miles up the A420, i,m already there in Abingdon. Also i,d like to add that i,ve been a Swindon fan for 53 years now long before you were a Tadpole in your Dads bag!. subbuteoles

7:36pm Tue 18 Feb 14

We are PANTS says...

subbuteoles wrote:
We are Pants. I,m a courier driver in Poxford and don,t finish work til 6.30pm so midweek games are a no no for me. As for loyal supporters moving 30 miles up the A420, i,m already there in Abingdon. Also i,d like to add that i,ve been a Swindon fan for 53 years now long before you were a Tadpole in your Dads bag!.
Nice... Thanks for that.... But, if you read the post it wasn't aimed at everyone, in fact far from it. Just the select bunch of idiots that continually come on here slagging cooper and co off when they don't even go... I stand by what I said, they should all move 30 miles north.. This site would be far better off with them gone.. Sorry if I upset you.
[quote][p][bold]subbuteoles[/bold] wrote: We are Pants. I,m a courier driver in Poxford and don,t finish work til 6.30pm so midweek games are a no no for me. As for loyal supporters moving 30 miles up the A420, i,m already there in Abingdon. Also i,d like to add that i,ve been a Swindon fan for 53 years now long before you were a Tadpole in your Dads bag!.[/p][/quote]Nice... Thanks for that.... But, if you read the post it wasn't aimed at everyone, in fact far from it. Just the select bunch of idiots that continually come on here slagging cooper and co off when they don't even go... I stand by what I said, they should all move 30 miles north.. This site would be far better off with them gone.. Sorry if I upset you. We are PANTS

7:53pm Tue 18 Feb 14

Oxon-Red says...

smirg kcab wrote:
Oxon-Red wrote:
Cricklade Reds wrote:
Oxon-Red wrote: Couple of points: 1. Miles was loaned out before the injury to Nile when the striker shortage was not an issue. 2. In the last 10 minutes of the 1st half Posh were having a lot of success attacking down the right hand side. Second half they were nowhere near as successful in that area. Bad tactics to snuff out the very live threat they were posing ? COYMR
However Nile Ranger is in court next week and would not have been available. I really taken to Smith as the main striker however think Storey would be a lot better than Barker playing off him. In the supporters favourite 4-4-2.
Dany in court as well ?

He played the target man role superbly last night and is available til the end of the season (or have I missed something). Miles is loaned fo a month, I hope he does well and returns with some experience under his belt.

He is being talked of as if he is the Messiah (I'll avoid Monty Python) and he alone can save us. Big ask for a player I don't believe is ready yet.

COYMR
Miles not ready to play upfront?
So gladwin has experience to play and lead the attack before him?
Did I say that ? Gladwin was used purely for his height IMO it did not work but of course he is now being judged for playing 15 minutes out of position. Very sad.

As I said in an earlier post, Miles was loaned before the injury to Ranger and he is not a target man. No injury, no shortage of strikers. For league matches we have two strikers that can now play that lead man role. But I forgot, Smith is Conference level because he struggled to control balls that were being blown around like a beach ball.

I am amazed that people have so much faith in him when four managers have not really felt he is good enough to start regularly and one of those was managing in the Conference. It will be interesting too see if it becomes 5 managers. I want him to do well but I have seen him play well on two occasions and I just don't think he is ready yet. Nathan wasn't rushed and we are now reaping the rewards.

COYMR
[quote][p][bold]smirg kcab[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Oxon-Red[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Cricklade Reds[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Oxon-Red[/bold] wrote: Couple of points: 1. Miles was loaned out before the injury to Nile when the striker shortage was not an issue. 2. In the last 10 minutes of the 1st half Posh were having a lot of success attacking down the right hand side. Second half they were nowhere near as successful in that area. Bad tactics to snuff out the very live threat they were posing ? COYMR[/p][/quote]However Nile Ranger is in court next week and would not have been available. I really taken to Smith as the main striker however think Storey would be a lot better than Barker playing off him. In the supporters favourite 4-4-2.[/p][/quote]Dany in court as well ? He played the target man role superbly last night and is available til the end of the season (or have I missed something). Miles is loaned fo a month, I hope he does well and returns with some experience under his belt. He is being talked of as if he is the Messiah (I'll avoid Monty Python) and he alone can save us. Big ask for a player I don't believe is ready yet. COYMR[/p][/quote]Miles not ready to play upfront? So gladwin has experience to play and lead the attack before him?[/p][/quote]Did I say that ? Gladwin was used purely for his height IMO it did not work but of course he is now being judged for playing 15 minutes out of position. Very sad. As I said in an earlier post, Miles was loaned before the injury to Ranger and he is not a target man. No injury, no shortage of strikers. For league matches we have two strikers that can now play that lead man role. But I forgot, Smith is Conference level because he struggled to control balls that were being blown around like a beach ball. I am amazed that people have so much faith in him when four managers have not really felt he is good enough to start regularly and one of those was managing in the Conference. It will be interesting too see if it becomes 5 managers. I want him to do well but I have seen him play well on two occasions and I just don't think he is ready yet. Nathan wasn't rushed and we are now reaping the rewards. COYMR Oxon-Red

8:24pm Tue 18 Feb 14

smirg kcab says...

Oxon-Red wrote:
smirg kcab wrote:
Oxon-Red wrote:
Cricklade Reds wrote:
Oxon-Red wrote: Couple of points: 1. Miles was loaned out before the injury to Nile when the striker shortage was not an issue. 2. In the last 10 minutes of the 1st half Posh were having a lot of success attacking down the right hand side. Second half they were nowhere near as successful in that area. Bad tactics to snuff out the very live threat they were posing ? COYMR
However Nile Ranger is in court next week and would not have been available. I really taken to Smith as the main striker however think Storey would be a lot better than Barker playing off him. In the supporters favourite 4-4-2.
Dany in court as well ?

He played the target man role superbly last night and is available til the end of the season (or have I missed something). Miles is loaned fo a month, I hope he does well and returns with some experience under his belt.

He is being talked of as if he is the Messiah (I'll avoid Monty Python) and he alone can save us. Big ask for a player I don't believe is ready yet.

COYMR
Miles not ready to play upfront?
So gladwin has experience to play and lead the attack before him?
Did I say that ? Gladwin was used purely for his height IMO it did not work but of course he is now being judged for playing 15 minutes out of position. Very sad.

As I said in an earlier post, Miles was loaned before the injury to Ranger and he is not a target man. No injury, no shortage of strikers. For league matches we have two strikers that can now play that lead man role. But I forgot, Smith is Conference level because he struggled to control balls that were being blown around like a beach ball.

I am amazed that people have so much faith in him when four managers have not really felt he is good enough to start regularly and one of those was managing in the Conference. It will be interesting too see if it becomes 5 managers. I want him to do well but I have seen him play well on two occasions and I just don't think he is ready yet. Nathan wasn't rushed and we are now reaping the rewards.

COYMR
I haven't judged him on 15 mins. I said cooper could have ruined his career playing him in that position.
Let's be fair cooper don't want ranger here didn't want dany here and don't want story here, because he's happy playing 1 or 0 upfront, also as someone else said why let a player take a pen when he hasn't had no game time thought he would have learned from that other one before him when storey missed at brentford.
Ranger didn't look a conference player in windy conditions?.
I also believe Nathan hasn't set the world alight this season.
Do respect your opinion tho
[quote][p][bold]Oxon-Red[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]smirg kcab[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Oxon-Red[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Cricklade Reds[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Oxon-Red[/bold] wrote: Couple of points: 1. Miles was loaned out before the injury to Nile when the striker shortage was not an issue. 2. In the last 10 minutes of the 1st half Posh were having a lot of success attacking down the right hand side. Second half they were nowhere near as successful in that area. Bad tactics to snuff out the very live threat they were posing ? COYMR[/p][/quote]However Nile Ranger is in court next week and would not have been available. I really taken to Smith as the main striker however think Storey would be a lot better than Barker playing off him. In the supporters favourite 4-4-2.[/p][/quote]Dany in court as well ? He played the target man role superbly last night and is available til the end of the season (or have I missed something). Miles is loaned fo a month, I hope he does well and returns with some experience under his belt. He is being talked of as if he is the Messiah (I'll avoid Monty Python) and he alone can save us. Big ask for a player I don't believe is ready yet. COYMR[/p][/quote]Miles not ready to play upfront? So gladwin has experience to play and lead the attack before him?[/p][/quote]Did I say that ? Gladwin was used purely for his height IMO it did not work but of course he is now being judged for playing 15 minutes out of position. Very sad. As I said in an earlier post, Miles was loaned before the injury to Ranger and he is not a target man. No injury, no shortage of strikers. For league matches we have two strikers that can now play that lead man role. But I forgot, Smith is Conference level because he struggled to control balls that were being blown around like a beach ball. I am amazed that people have so much faith in him when four managers have not really felt he is good enough to start regularly and one of those was managing in the Conference. It will be interesting too see if it becomes 5 managers. I want him to do well but I have seen him play well on two occasions and I just don't think he is ready yet. Nathan wasn't rushed and we are now reaping the rewards. COYMR[/p][/quote]I haven't judged him on 15 mins. I said cooper could have ruined his career playing him in that position. Let's be fair cooper don't want ranger here didn't want dany here and don't want story here, because he's happy playing 1 or 0 upfront, also as someone else said why let a player take a pen when he hasn't had no game time thought he would have learned from that other one before him when storey missed at brentford. Ranger didn't look a conference player in windy conditions?. I also believe Nathan hasn't set the world alight this season. Do respect your opinion tho smirg kcab

8:34pm Tue 18 Feb 14

Cricklade Reds says...

Oxon-Red wrote:
Cricklade Reds wrote:
Oxon-Red wrote: Couple of points: 1. Miles was loaned out before the injury to Nile when the striker shortage was not an issue. 2. In the last 10 minutes of the 1st half Posh were having a lot of success attacking down the right hand side. Second half they were nowhere near as successful in that area. Bad tactics to snuff out the very live threat they were posing ? COYMR
However Nile Ranger is in court next week and would not have been available. I really taken to Smith as the main striker however think Storey would be a lot better than Barker playing off him. In the supporters favourite 4-4-2.
Dany in court as well ?

He played the target man role superbly last night and is available til the end of the season (or have I missed something). Miles is loaned fo a month, I hope he does well and returns with some experience under his belt.

He is being talked of as if he is the Messiah (I'll avoid Monty Python) and he alone can save us. Big ask for a player I don't believe is ready yet.

COYMR
And were does Barker fit into this?
[quote][p][bold]Oxon-Red[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Cricklade Reds[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Oxon-Red[/bold] wrote: Couple of points: 1. Miles was loaned out before the injury to Nile when the striker shortage was not an issue. 2. In the last 10 minutes of the 1st half Posh were having a lot of success attacking down the right hand side. Second half they were nowhere near as successful in that area. Bad tactics to snuff out the very live threat they were posing ? COYMR[/p][/quote]However Nile Ranger is in court next week and would not have been available. I really taken to Smith as the main striker however think Storey would be a lot better than Barker playing off him. In the supporters favourite 4-4-2.[/p][/quote]Dany in court as well ? He played the target man role superbly last night and is available til the end of the season (or have I missed something). Miles is loaned fo a month, I hope he does well and returns with some experience under his belt. He is being talked of as if he is the Messiah (I'll avoid Monty Python) and he alone can save us. Big ask for a player I don't believe is ready yet. COYMR[/p][/quote]And were does Barker fit into this? Cricklade Reds

8:39pm Tue 18 Feb 14

TelSTFC says...

Real shame last night we played very well in first half and from what I could see sat back for 20 mins in the 2nd which cost us the game.

We were a different team 2nd half don't know what Cooper said but sitting back was wrong when we should of pushed for 2nd goal.
10 mins? It was over 20 mins where we didn't hardly touch a ball don't know what game Cooper was watching but it wasn't the same one as me!

Big missed opportunity last night and yes we should of had a penalty. It was a long journey back to Old Portsmouth.
Think the tactics were all wrong 2nd half why did we sit back you could see the goal coming from Posh and what was worse it was from a mistake.

A trip to Wembley was there for the taking gutted.
Real shame last night we played very well in first half and from what I could see sat back for 20 mins in the 2nd which cost us the game. We were a different team 2nd half don't know what Cooper said but sitting back was wrong when we should of pushed for 2nd goal. 10 mins? It was over 20 mins where we didn't hardly touch a ball don't know what game Cooper was watching but it wasn't the same one as me! Big missed opportunity last night and yes we should of had a penalty. It was a long journey back to Old Portsmouth. Think the tactics were all wrong 2nd half why did we sit back you could see the goal coming from Posh and what was worse it was from a mistake. A trip to Wembley was there for the taking gutted. TelSTFC

8:55pm Tue 18 Feb 14

Oxon-Red says...

smirg kcab wrote:
Oxon-Red wrote:
smirg kcab wrote:
Oxon-Red wrote:
Cricklade Reds wrote:
Oxon-Red wrote: Couple of points: 1. Miles was loaned out before the injury to Nile when the striker shortage was not an issue. 2. In the last 10 minutes of the 1st half Posh were having a lot of success attacking down the right hand side. Second half they were nowhere near as successful in that area. Bad tactics to snuff out the very live threat they were posing ? COYMR
However Nile Ranger is in court next week and would not have been available. I really taken to Smith as the main striker however think Storey would be a lot better than Barker playing off him. In the supporters favourite 4-4-2.
Dany in court as well ?

He played the target man role superbly last night and is available til the end of the season (or have I missed something). Miles is loaned fo a month, I hope he does well and returns with some experience under his belt.

He is being talked of as if he is the Messiah (I'll avoid Monty Python) and he alone can save us. Big ask for a player I don't believe is ready yet.

COYMR
Miles not ready to play upfront?
So gladwin has experience to play and lead the attack before him?
Did I say that ? Gladwin was used purely for his height IMO it did not work but of course he is now being judged for playing 15 minutes out of position. Very sad.

As I said in an earlier post, Miles was loaned before the injury to Ranger and he is not a target man. No injury, no shortage of strikers. For league matches we have two strikers that can now play that lead man role. But I forgot, Smith is Conference level because he struggled to control balls that were being blown around like a beach ball.

I am amazed that people have so much faith in him when four managers have not really felt he is good enough to start regularly and one of those was managing in the Conference. It will be interesting too see if it becomes 5 managers. I want him to do well but I have seen him play well on two occasions and I just don't think he is ready yet. Nathan wasn't rushed and we are now reaping the rewards.

COYMR
I haven't judged him on 15 mins. I said cooper could have ruined his career playing him in that position.
Let's be fair cooper don't want ranger here didn't want dany here and don't want story here, because he's happy playing 1 or 0 upfront, also as someone else said why let a player take a pen when he hasn't had no game time thought he would have learned from that other one before him when storey missed at brentford.
Ranger didn't look a conference player in windy conditions?.
I also believe Nathan hasn't set the world alight this season.
Do respect your opinion tho
Fair enough about Gladwin I thought he had a decent game at Posh but not seen enough. We did learn that he may not be a striker in the Charlie Henry mould !

True about Ranger but should he be playing in League 1 ? If he had put his head down and concentrated on his football he would almost certainly be in the premier league now.

Not sure on penalty takers but it may depend on those willing to take one. If he had the bullocks to stand up and be counted when others wouldn't then respect to him despite the miss. Seem to remember we bought a penalty taker that had never missed until he played at Hartlepool and then...

Cricklade, not sure about Barker only seen him once and he didn't play well. Out of position ? Don't know, rather wait and see more.

COYMR
[quote][p][bold]smirg kcab[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Oxon-Red[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]smirg kcab[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Oxon-Red[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Cricklade Reds[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Oxon-Red[/bold] wrote: Couple of points: 1. Miles was loaned out before the injury to Nile when the striker shortage was not an issue. 2. In the last 10 minutes of the 1st half Posh were having a lot of success attacking down the right hand side. Second half they were nowhere near as successful in that area. Bad tactics to snuff out the very live threat they were posing ? COYMR[/p][/quote]However Nile Ranger is in court next week and would not have been available. I really taken to Smith as the main striker however think Storey would be a lot better than Barker playing off him. In the supporters favourite 4-4-2.[/p][/quote]Dany in court as well ? He played the target man role superbly last night and is available til the end of the season (or have I missed something). Miles is loaned fo a month, I hope he does well and returns with some experience under his belt. He is being talked of as if he is the Messiah (I'll avoid Monty Python) and he alone can save us. Big ask for a player I don't believe is ready yet. COYMR[/p][/quote]Miles not ready to play upfront? So gladwin has experience to play and lead the attack before him?[/p][/quote]Did I say that ? Gladwin was used purely for his height IMO it did not work but of course he is now being judged for playing 15 minutes out of position. Very sad. As I said in an earlier post, Miles was loaned before the injury to Ranger and he is not a target man. No injury, no shortage of strikers. For league matches we have two strikers that can now play that lead man role. But I forgot, Smith is Conference level because he struggled to control balls that were being blown around like a beach ball. I am amazed that people have so much faith in him when four managers have not really felt he is good enough to start regularly and one of those was managing in the Conference. It will be interesting too see if it becomes 5 managers. I want him to do well but I have seen him play well on two occasions and I just don't think he is ready yet. Nathan wasn't rushed and we are now reaping the rewards. COYMR[/p][/quote]I haven't judged him on 15 mins. I said cooper could have ruined his career playing him in that position. Let's be fair cooper don't want ranger here didn't want dany here and don't want story here, because he's happy playing 1 or 0 upfront, also as someone else said why let a player take a pen when he hasn't had no game time thought he would have learned from that other one before him when storey missed at brentford. Ranger didn't look a conference player in windy conditions?. I also believe Nathan hasn't set the world alight this season. Do respect your opinion tho[/p][/quote]Fair enough about Gladwin I thought he had a decent game at Posh but not seen enough. We did learn that he may not be a striker in the Charlie Henry mould ! True about Ranger but should he be playing in League 1 ? If he had put his head down and concentrated on his football he would almost certainly be in the premier league now. Not sure on penalty takers but it may depend on those willing to take one. If he had the bullocks to stand up and be counted when others wouldn't then respect to him despite the miss. Seem to remember we bought a penalty taker that had never missed until he played at Hartlepool and then... Cricklade, not sure about Barker only seen him once and he didn't play well. Out of position ? Don't know, rather wait and see more. COYMR Oxon-Red

9:15pm Tue 18 Feb 14

dazzastfc says...

I thought we got what we deserved...NOTHING,,
,
Way to deep..Not fit enough..Give them way way to much space and time on the ball...
STUPID TACTICS ONCE AGAIN,,Bad timing with the subs...
All in all we were very poor,,

This is not a good time for Swindon and I fear for use next season..
I thought we got what we deserved...NOTHING,, , Way to deep..Not fit enough..Give them way way to much space and time on the ball... STUPID TACTICS ONCE AGAIN,,Bad timing with the subs... All in all we were very poor,, This is not a good time for Swindon and I fear for use next season.. dazzastfc

9:40pm Tue 18 Feb 14

Oxon-Red says...

dazzastfc wrote:
I thought we got what we deserved...NOTHING,,

,
Way to deep..Not fit enough..Give them way way to much space and time on the ball...
STUPID TACTICS ONCE AGAIN,,Bad timing with the subs...
All in all we were very poor,,

This is not a good time for Swindon and I fear for use next season..
Couple have mentioned fitness but having thought about it, it may to come back to age. Men in particular are still growing into their 20s and stamina tends to increase with age. Everyone expects kids to have masses of energy but energy is not stamina.

This is not just football, athletes are good examples as they reach there peak after 25 and marathon runners graduate to the long distance quite late in their careers. Tennis players another example.

COYMR
[quote][p][bold]dazzastfc[/bold] wrote: I thought we got what we deserved...NOTHING,, , Way to deep..Not fit enough..Give them way way to much space and time on the ball... STUPID TACTICS ONCE AGAIN,,Bad timing with the subs... All in all we were very poor,, This is not a good time for Swindon and I fear for use next season..[/p][/quote]Couple have mentioned fitness but having thought about it, it may to come back to age. Men in particular are still growing into their 20s and stamina tends to increase with age. Everyone expects kids to have masses of energy but energy is not stamina. This is not just football, athletes are good examples as they reach there peak after 25 and marathon runners graduate to the long distance quite late in their careers. Tennis players another example. COYMR Oxon-Red

9:50pm Tue 18 Feb 14

lifelong red says...

whats that wrote:
Swindon1984 wrote:
Oxon-Red wrote:
sagadude wrote:
Looking at the remaining fixtures I cannot see us winning much of them. The Cooper supporters will be asking for his head like the rest of us in a few weeks. So many missed opportunities with this setup.
Was going to suggest you book a SagaCruise to cheer yourself up you wouldn't have to worry about the remaining games of the season but that would be unfair on those that have already booked.

Let's get rid of Cooper bring in someone else to moan about so we can get rid of them when we get fed up with them. We could make it an annual event "STFC New Manager Day" every April 1st.

We could provide young up and coming managers the chance to get one year's experience. Why would we need them for longer, we don't need stability and we certainly don't want to give anyone a chance to prove themselves.

Why have patience when we can have impatience we all know we should be winning every game and that the best players/managers are crying out to join us.

Perspective required, STFC at the start of the season were 33/1 to win League 1. Thats mid-table or lower in the view of the bookies.

COYMR
Have to agree - what I'm hearing from a lot of people is "we want success and we want it now" - they're also saying they want ticket prices to remain the same or go down. Now I'm not a mathematician but that just doesn't compute. We're still operating at a loss with the current wage bill, so what people are asking for is either an oil baron to sweep in and subsidise their season tickets, whilst simultaneously bank-rolling expensive signings (which wouldn't in themselves bring success necessarily), or for the club to perform miracles by getting out of league 1 and consolidate in the championship on a shoe string. Neither is going to happen people!

What the current regime are trying to do is build for the future, so that we can realistically look at promotion without bankrupting the club - this takes time, and astute planning and execution in the transfer market.

If I were Power reading this I'd honestly wonder why I bothered involving myself with the club - we'll have exceeded realistic expectations if we finish the season where we are now having had a decent cup run, all whilst reducing the playing budget. But that's not enough for some.

Is it just me who thinks the journey is half the fun? I.E. I will have great memories (and a lot not so great) of this season even if it finishes with us in the same league we started in. QPR away, Wolves away, I could go on. They were great times. To some, none of the individual games matter - unless there's trophy or promotion at the end of it, it just isn't worthwhile for them. It makes me wonder given how rare we achieve a trophy or promotion, do some people ever really enjoy their football?

Things seem to have gotten too serious, with success being the be all and end all. I'd love success, and I think we should have ambition, but I also think of supporting the town as being a hobby of sorts that I enjoy, it takes up my leisure time and the experience of going to a football match whether we win or lose is always something to look forward to. Yes, you can leave feeling dejected, cheated, disappointed etc but it's the memory and the prospect of the good times that bring you back. Not trying to romanticise the whole thing but if losing one game causes town fans so much grief they must have very unhappy lives, because there'll be a whole lot more disappointment before the celebrations! Just try to enjoy it for what it is.
Post of the day!
I totally agree - shame there*s not more on here with that outlook - well said and well put sir.
[quote][p][bold]whats that[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Swindon1984[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Oxon-Red[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]sagadude[/bold] wrote: Looking at the remaining fixtures I cannot see us winning much of them. The Cooper supporters will be asking for his head like the rest of us in a few weeks. So many missed opportunities with this setup.[/p][/quote]Was going to suggest you book a SagaCruise to cheer yourself up you wouldn't have to worry about the remaining games of the season but that would be unfair on those that have already booked. Let's get rid of Cooper bring in someone else to moan about so we can get rid of them when we get fed up with them. We could make it an annual event "STFC New Manager Day" every April 1st. We could provide young up and coming managers the chance to get one year's experience. Why would we need them for longer, we don't need stability and we certainly don't want to give anyone a chance to prove themselves. Why have patience when we can have impatience we all know we should be winning every game and that the best players/managers are crying out to join us. Perspective required, STFC at the start of the season were 33/1 to win League 1. Thats mid-table or lower in the view of the bookies. COYMR[/p][/quote]Have to agree - what I'm hearing from a lot of people is "we want success and we want it now" - they're also saying they want ticket prices to remain the same or go down. Now I'm not a mathematician but that just doesn't compute. We're still operating at a loss with the current wage bill, so what people are asking for is either an oil baron to sweep in and subsidise their season tickets, whilst simultaneously bank-rolling expensive signings (which wouldn't in themselves bring success necessarily), or for the club to perform miracles by getting out of league 1 and consolidate in the championship on a shoe string. Neither is going to happen people! What the current regime are trying to do is build for the future, so that we can realistically look at promotion without bankrupting the club - this takes time, and astute planning and execution in the transfer market. If I were Power reading this I'd honestly wonder why I bothered involving myself with the club - we'll have exceeded realistic expectations if we finish the season where we are now having had a decent cup run, all whilst reducing the playing budget. But that's not enough for some. Is it just me who thinks the journey is half the fun? I.E. I will have great memories (and a lot not so great) of this season even if it finishes with us in the same league we started in. QPR away, Wolves away, I could go on. They were great times. To some, none of the individual games matter - unless there's trophy or promotion at the end of it, it just isn't worthwhile for them. It makes me wonder given how rare we achieve a trophy or promotion, do some people ever really enjoy their football? Things seem to have gotten too serious, with success being the be all and end all. I'd love success, and I think we should have ambition, but I also think of supporting the town as being a hobby of sorts that I enjoy, it takes up my leisure time and the experience of going to a football match whether we win or lose is always something to look forward to. Yes, you can leave feeling dejected, cheated, disappointed etc but it's the memory and the prospect of the good times that bring you back. Not trying to romanticise the whole thing but if losing one game causes town fans so much grief they must have very unhappy lives, because there'll be a whole lot more disappointment before the celebrations! Just try to enjoy it for what it is.[/p][/quote]Post of the day![/p][/quote]I totally agree - shame there*s not more on here with that outlook - well said and well put sir. lifelong red

10:25pm Tue 18 Feb 14

Davidsyrett says...

lifelong red wrote:
whats that wrote:
Swindon1984 wrote:
Oxon-Red wrote:
sagadude wrote:
Looking at the remaining fixtures I cannot see us winning much of them. The Cooper supporters will be asking for his head like the rest of us in a few weeks. So many missed opportunities with this setup.
Was going to suggest you book a SagaCruise to cheer yourself up you wouldn't have to worry about the remaining games of the season but that would be unfair on those that have already booked.

Let's get rid of Cooper bring in someone else to moan about so we can get rid of them when we get fed up with them. We could make it an annual event "STFC New Manager Day" every April 1st.

We could provide young up and coming managers the chance to get one year's experience. Why would we need them for longer, we don't need stability and we certainly don't want to give anyone a chance to prove themselves.

Why have patience when we can have impatience we all know we should be winning every game and that the best players/managers are crying out to join us.

Perspective required, STFC at the start of the season were 33/1 to win League 1. Thats mid-table or lower in the view of the bookies.

COYMR
Have to agree - what I'm hearing from a lot of people is "we want success and we want it now" - they're also saying they want ticket prices to remain the same or go down. Now I'm not a mathematician but that just doesn't compute. We're still operating at a loss with the current wage bill, so what people are asking for is either an oil baron to sweep in and subsidise their season tickets, whilst simultaneously bank-rolling expensive signings (which wouldn't in themselves bring success necessarily), or for the club to perform miracles by getting out of league 1 and consolidate in the championship on a shoe string. Neither is going to happen people!

What the current regime are trying to do is build for the future, so that we can realistically look at promotion without bankrupting the club - this takes time, and astute planning and execution in the transfer market.

If I were Power reading this I'd honestly wonder why I bothered involving myself with the club - we'll have exceeded realistic expectations if we finish the season where we are now having had a decent cup run, all whilst reducing the playing budget. But that's not enough for some.

Is it just me who thinks the journey is half the fun? I.E. I will have great memories (and a lot not so great) of this season even if it finishes with us in the same league we started in. QPR away, Wolves away, I could go on. They were great times. To some, none of the individual games matter - unless there's trophy or promotion at the end of it, it just isn't worthwhile for them. It makes me wonder given how rare we achieve a trophy or promotion, do some people ever really enjoy their football?

Things seem to have gotten too serious, with success being the be all and end all. I'd love success, and I think we should have ambition, but I also think of supporting the town as being a hobby of sorts that I enjoy, it takes up my leisure time and the experience of going to a football match whether we win or lose is always something to look forward to. Yes, you can leave feeling dejected, cheated, disappointed etc but it's the memory and the prospect of the good times that bring you back. Not trying to romanticise the whole thing but if losing one game causes town fans so much grief they must have very unhappy lives, because there'll be a whole lot more disappointment before the celebrations! Just try to enjoy it for what it is.
Post of the day!
I totally agree - shame there*s not more on here with that outlook - well said and well put sir.
Well said the above, too many poster's haven't got a clue about football on and off the pitch.
[quote][p][bold]lifelong red[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]whats that[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Swindon1984[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Oxon-Red[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]sagadude[/bold] wrote: Looking at the remaining fixtures I cannot see us winning much of them. The Cooper supporters will be asking for his head like the rest of us in a few weeks. So many missed opportunities with this setup.[/p][/quote]Was going to suggest you book a SagaCruise to cheer yourself up you wouldn't have to worry about the remaining games of the season but that would be unfair on those that have already booked. Let's get rid of Cooper bring in someone else to moan about so we can get rid of them when we get fed up with them. We could make it an annual event "STFC New Manager Day" every April 1st. We could provide young up and coming managers the chance to get one year's experience. Why would we need them for longer, we don't need stability and we certainly don't want to give anyone a chance to prove themselves. Why have patience when we can have impatience we all know we should be winning every game and that the best players/managers are crying out to join us. Perspective required, STFC at the start of the season were 33/1 to win League 1. Thats mid-table or lower in the view of the bookies. COYMR[/p][/quote]Have to agree - what I'm hearing from a lot of people is "we want success and we want it now" - they're also saying they want ticket prices to remain the same or go down. Now I'm not a mathematician but that just doesn't compute. We're still operating at a loss with the current wage bill, so what people are asking for is either an oil baron to sweep in and subsidise their season tickets, whilst simultaneously bank-rolling expensive signings (which wouldn't in themselves bring success necessarily), or for the club to perform miracles by getting out of league 1 and consolidate in the championship on a shoe string. Neither is going to happen people! What the current regime are trying to do is build for the future, so that we can realistically look at promotion without bankrupting the club - this takes time, and astute planning and execution in the transfer market. If I were Power reading this I'd honestly wonder why I bothered involving myself with the club - we'll have exceeded realistic expectations if we finish the season where we are now having had a decent cup run, all whilst reducing the playing budget. But that's not enough for some. Is it just me who thinks the journey is half the fun? I.E. I will have great memories (and a lot not so great) of this season even if it finishes with us in the same league we started in. QPR away, Wolves away, I could go on. They were great times. To some, none of the individual games matter - unless there's trophy or promotion at the end of it, it just isn't worthwhile for them. It makes me wonder given how rare we achieve a trophy or promotion, do some people ever really enjoy their football? Things seem to have gotten too serious, with success being the be all and end all. I'd love success, and I think we should have ambition, but I also think of supporting the town as being a hobby of sorts that I enjoy, it takes up my leisure time and the experience of going to a football match whether we win or lose is always something to look forward to. Yes, you can leave feeling dejected, cheated, disappointed etc but it's the memory and the prospect of the good times that bring you back. Not trying to romanticise the whole thing but if losing one game causes town fans so much grief they must have very unhappy lives, because there'll be a whole lot more disappointment before the celebrations! Just try to enjoy it for what it is.[/p][/quote]Post of the day![/p][/quote]I totally agree - shame there*s not more on here with that outlook - well said and well put sir.[/p][/quote]Well said the above, too many poster's haven't got a clue about football on and off the pitch. Davidsyrett

10:38pm Tue 18 Feb 14

mrclick says...

stfcdod wrote:
sagadude wrote:
We are PANTS wrote:
Well done to the loyal 6,300 Swindon fans last night for trying to lift the players by being the 12th man.. Shame about the armchair supporters who watched it at home yet still have the gaul to come on here slating the management and team... Do us loyals a favour and move up the A420 some 30 odd miles...
Yeah well, those certain armchair fans are the ones that have watched the Town for over twenty years and are fed up with the same old poor management.

Last nights game would not have been lost with Hoddle and the same squad.

We are annoyed that Power does not even seek the opportunity to talk to Hoddle at least, and then replace Cooper who is doing his best but has not the tactical skills and experience to get this club no further than the position they are in now.

It is not all about money as other teams managers have proven.

I have had more season tickets than all you lot out together. Open your eyes.
Sagadude..........yo

u say that 'We are annoyed that Power does not even seek the opportunity to talk to Hoddle at least'. You then go on to say, 'It is not all about money'.
Please make your mind up.
we had a proven manager Danny WIlson and he proved clueless -
Over the two games against Posh, we looked a decent side, great result to come back from 2 down away - suppose Cooper got that right - not so great to lose on pens last night - does this mean Cooper got it wrong - it just not how the games played sorry
The idea of Hoddle is completely unrealistic, he wouldn't come and he wouldn't be any good, do you think he hasn't had a prem' job offer every month for the last couple of years.... get a grip
As a young side we certainly show promise, at the start of the season I was predicting 12th - and I believe there were many posters on here saying we would be relegated. Cooper has done a good job and next year he'll do a better job. Those talking about how Mile Story would have won us the game clearly haven't seen him play - nothing against the lad and I hope he makes it - according to the Shrewsbury Chronicle - he "did little to impress on his debut" and I also have to say the vast majority of the chat on here about tactics really shows the naivety of the poster.
Cooper was spot on yesterday and if Murphy hadn't tried to play out of defence (which he clearly had been told to do) then we'd have won the game
[quote][p][bold]stfcdod[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]sagadude[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]We are PANTS[/bold] wrote: Well done to the loyal 6,300 Swindon fans last night for trying to lift the players by being the 12th man.. Shame about the armchair supporters who watched it at home yet still have the gaul to come on here slating the management and team... Do us loyals a favour and move up the A420 some 30 odd miles...[/p][/quote]Yeah well, those certain armchair fans are the ones that have watched the Town for over twenty years and are fed up with the same old poor management. Last nights game would not have been lost with Hoddle and the same squad. We are annoyed that Power does not even seek the opportunity to talk to Hoddle at least, and then replace Cooper who is doing his best but has not the tactical skills and experience to get this club no further than the position they are in now. It is not all about money as other teams managers have proven. I have had more season tickets than all you lot out together. Open your eyes.[/p][/quote]Sagadude..........yo u say that 'We are annoyed that Power does not even seek the opportunity to talk to Hoddle at least'. You then go on to say, 'It is not all about money'. Please make your mind up.[/p][/quote]we had a proven manager Danny WIlson and he proved clueless - Over the two games against Posh, we looked a decent side, great result to come back from 2 down away - suppose Cooper got that right - not so great to lose on pens last night - does this mean Cooper got it wrong - it just not how the games played sorry The idea of Hoddle is completely unrealistic, he wouldn't come and he wouldn't be any good, do you think he hasn't had a prem' job offer every month for the last couple of years.... get a grip As a young side we certainly show promise, at the start of the season I was predicting 12th - and I believe there were many posters on here saying we would be relegated. Cooper has done a good job and next year he'll do a better job. Those talking about how Mile Story would have won us the game clearly haven't seen him play - nothing against the lad and I hope he makes it - according to the Shrewsbury Chronicle - he "did little to impress on his debut" and I also have to say the vast majority of the chat on here about tactics really shows the naivety of the poster. Cooper was spot on yesterday and if Murphy hadn't tried to play out of defence (which he clearly had been told to do) then we'd have won the game mrclick

11:02pm Tue 18 Feb 14

old town robin says...

smirg kcab wrote:
Oxon-Red wrote:
smirg kcab wrote:
Oxon-Red wrote:
Cricklade Reds wrote:
Oxon-Red wrote: Couple of points: 1. Miles was loaned out before the injury to Nile when the striker shortage was not an issue. 2. In the last 10 minutes of the 1st half Posh were having a lot of success attacking down the right hand side. Second half they were nowhere near as successful in that area. Bad tactics to snuff out the very live threat they were posing ? COYMR
However Nile Ranger is in court next week and would not have been available. I really taken to Smith as the main striker however think Storey would be a lot better than Barker playing off him. In the supporters favourite 4-4-2.
Dany in court as well ?

He played the target man role superbly last night and is available til the end of the season (or have I missed something). Miles is loaned fo a month, I hope he does well and returns with some experience under his belt.

He is being talked of as if he is the Messiah (I'll avoid Monty Python) and he alone can save us. Big ask for a player I don't believe is ready yet.

COYMR
Miles not ready to play upfront?
So gladwin has experience to play and lead the attack before him?
Did I say that ? Gladwin was used purely for his height IMO it did not work but of course he is now being judged for playing 15 minutes out of position. Very sad.

As I said in an earlier post, Miles was loaned before the injury to Ranger and he is not a target man. No injury, no shortage of strikers. For league matches we have two strikers that can now play that lead man role. But I forgot, Smith is Conference level because he struggled to control balls that were being blown around like a beach ball.

I am amazed that people have so much faith in him when four managers have not really felt he is good enough to start regularly and one of those was managing in the Conference. It will be interesting too see if it becomes 5 managers. I want him to do well but I have seen him play well on two occasions and I just don't think he is ready yet. Nathan wasn't rushed and we are now reaping the rewards.

COYMR
I haven't judged him on 15 mins. I said cooper could have ruined his career playing him in that position.
Let's be fair cooper don't want ranger here didn't want dany here and don't want story here, because he's happy playing 1 or 0 upfront, also as someone else said why let a player take a pen when he hasn't had no game time thought he would have learned from that other one before him when storey missed at brentford.
Ranger didn't look a conference player in windy conditions?.
I also believe Nathan hasn't set the world alight this season.
Do respect your opinion tho
summed it up well Grim, despite the opinions of some I think you know your football
[quote][p][bold]smirg kcab[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Oxon-Red[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]smirg kcab[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Oxon-Red[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Cricklade Reds[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Oxon-Red[/bold] wrote: Couple of points: 1. Miles was loaned out before the injury to Nile when the striker shortage was not an issue. 2. In the last 10 minutes of the 1st half Posh were having a lot of success attacking down the right hand side. Second half they were nowhere near as successful in that area. Bad tactics to snuff out the very live threat they were posing ? COYMR[/p][/quote]However Nile Ranger is in court next week and would not have been available. I really taken to Smith as the main striker however think Storey would be a lot better than Barker playing off him. In the supporters favourite 4-4-2.[/p][/quote]Dany in court as well ? He played the target man role superbly last night and is available til the end of the season (or have I missed something). Miles is loaned fo a month, I hope he does well and returns with some experience under his belt. He is being talked of as if he is the Messiah (I'll avoid Monty Python) and he alone can save us. Big ask for a player I don't believe is ready yet. COYMR[/p][/quote]Miles not ready to play upfront? So gladwin has experience to play and lead the attack before him?[/p][/quote]Did I say that ? Gladwin was used purely for his height IMO it did not work but of course he is now being judged for playing 15 minutes out of position. Very sad. As I said in an earlier post, Miles was loaned before the injury to Ranger and he is not a target man. No injury, no shortage of strikers. For league matches we have two strikers that can now play that lead man role. But I forgot, Smith is Conference level because he struggled to control balls that were being blown around like a beach ball. I am amazed that people have so much faith in him when four managers have not really felt he is good enough to start regularly and one of those was managing in the Conference. It will be interesting too see if it becomes 5 managers. I want him to do well but I have seen him play well on two occasions and I just don't think he is ready yet. Nathan wasn't rushed and we are now reaping the rewards. COYMR[/p][/quote]I haven't judged him on 15 mins. I said cooper could have ruined his career playing him in that position. Let's be fair cooper don't want ranger here didn't want dany here and don't want story here, because he's happy playing 1 or 0 upfront, also as someone else said why let a player take a pen when he hasn't had no game time thought he would have learned from that other one before him when storey missed at brentford. Ranger didn't look a conference player in windy conditions?. I also believe Nathan hasn't set the world alight this season. Do respect your opinion tho[/p][/quote]summed it up well Grim, despite the opinions of some I think you know your football old town robin

11:22pm Tue 18 Feb 14

old town robin says...

London Red wrote:
old town robin wrote:
chrystovski wrote: I don't normally criticise Cooper and up until this point I haven't felt the need to but I think he got it badly wrong in the 2nd half last night. Firstly we should never have sat so deep hoping one goal would be enough, with the firepower Boro have we were always going to need to score at least 2. We were trying to hold onto a one goal lead for 45 minutes, far too much respect was paid to them. A 2nd goal for us would have killed the tie and sometimes the best form of defence is attack. Secondly he should have made changes at the 60 minute mark. We started to look really tired quite early into the 2nd half as Posh began to take a stranglehold on the game but instead he waited and waited and waited until the inevitable happened, they scored and then he made 2 changes! You don't need to have coaching badges to work out that had been coming. Cannot fault the players effort they really did the club proud, penalties are a lottery so no blame attached to Mass or Tijane either, just wish it was us going to Wembley instead as I cannot see us going via the playoffs.
Chrystov, we did concede 75% of possession second half, but only for just over 1/2 an hour, after conceding we tried to get back in the last 10 minutes to how we played first half. but the momentum was gone as tired legs took their toll. As you say poor poor tactics, when we played them in the league we did exactly the same and sat back in the second half and I think most who were there for that game would agree we were lucky to get away with it. Ferguson is shrewd and read Coopers attempted tactics like a book which is not too hard to do for someone who lacks nous. Most managers make tactical substitutions around 65 minute. Cooper almost always waits until after 80 minutes, which as far as I can remember only worked once for him when Storey destroyed Coventry. In fairness last night I was not surprised he waited until so late to make changes because our bench was so weak with no recognised striker available. Our beautiful pitch is pretty cut up now having played 2 games in 3 days. Why we tried so hard to get the game played on Friday in hindsight was a bad decision, not only were the conditions as bad as I have ever seen football played in , the crowd number were well down and probably cost the club £30k in revenue and why oh why did Cooper risk playing Nat when he was on 9 yellows and our best player Ranger when he was so important to have for this cup game if we were serious with our intent to get to Wembley.. In addition why did he send Storey out on loan when he did not have any strikers available for the bench. One bad decision you can live with, but this was an accumulation of errors that led to our downfall, despite the fact the starting 11 played very well last night and can not be faulted for their effort and a truly awful official who should be made to explain some of his decisions which were appalling. I would like to see Cooper man up and admit he got it wrong, but he won't, he always has an excuse and it's never his fault because of poor decision making. Rant over, time to move on and try to get through the remaining 15 games with 10 win, no yellow cards and injury free. COYR .
Wasn't Cooper slated for playing a weaker team against Oldham in favour of the JPT?
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Now people are complaining he played his first team and risked them ahead of the JPT!!!!!!!
LR, and your point is????????????.....I was there for Oldham and Colchester, doubt you made the trip for obvious reasons. However I think you've just emphasised the point many of the fans that do attend regularly, 1 point from 6 at home from games we should have been looking to take maximum is not good enough and quite frankly proves the point I tried to make he doesn't know what he's doing.

I will be renewing my 4 season tickets, despite having no confidence that the present manager has the ability to take us a step further and get us into the Championship. I think his position is safe for the moment, because he meets Lee Powers needs for now, I still think he has acceptable coaching credentials, but a first team manager he is NOT. , As you seem to be defending him as damned if he does or damned if he doesn't maybe you can enlighten us as to whether in your opinion he is the right person to take us forward.
[quote][p][bold]London Red[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]old town robin[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]chrystovski[/bold] wrote: I don't normally criticise Cooper and up until this point I haven't felt the need to but I think he got it badly wrong in the 2nd half last night. Firstly we should never have sat so deep hoping one goal would be enough, with the firepower Boro have we were always going to need to score at least 2. We were trying to hold onto a one goal lead for 45 minutes, far too much respect was paid to them. A 2nd goal for us would have killed the tie and sometimes the best form of defence is attack. Secondly he should have made changes at the 60 minute mark. We started to look really tired quite early into the 2nd half as Posh began to take a stranglehold on the game but instead he waited and waited and waited until the inevitable happened, they scored and then he made 2 changes! You don't need to have coaching badges to work out that had been coming. Cannot fault the players effort they really did the club proud, penalties are a lottery so no blame attached to Mass or Tijane either, just wish it was us going to Wembley instead as I cannot see us going via the playoffs.[/p][/quote]Chrystov, we did concede 75% of possession second half, but only for just over 1/2 an hour, after conceding we tried to get back in the last 10 minutes to how we played first half. but the momentum was gone as tired legs took their toll. As you say poor poor tactics, when we played them in the league we did exactly the same and sat back in the second half and I think most who were there for that game would agree we were lucky to get away with it. Ferguson is shrewd and read Coopers attempted tactics like a book which is not too hard to do for someone who lacks nous. Most managers make tactical substitutions around 65 minute. Cooper almost always waits until after 80 minutes, which as far as I can remember only worked once for him when Storey destroyed Coventry. In fairness last night I was not surprised he waited until so late to make changes because our bench was so weak with no recognised striker available. Our beautiful pitch is pretty cut up now having played 2 games in 3 days. Why we tried so hard to get the game played on Friday in hindsight was a bad decision, not only were the conditions as bad as I have ever seen football played in , the crowd number were well down and probably cost the club £30k in revenue and why oh why did Cooper risk playing Nat when he was on 9 yellows and our best player Ranger when he was so important to have for this cup game if we were serious with our intent to get to Wembley.. In addition why did he send Storey out on loan when he did not have any strikers available for the bench. One bad decision you can live with, but this was an accumulation of errors that led to our downfall, despite the fact the starting 11 played very well last night and can not be faulted for their effort and a truly awful official who should be made to explain some of his decisions which were appalling. I would like to see Cooper man up and admit he got it wrong, but he won't, he always has an excuse and it's never his fault because of poor decision making. Rant over, time to move on and try to get through the remaining 15 games with 10 win, no yellow cards and injury free. COYR .[/p][/quote]Wasn't Cooper slated for playing a weaker team against Oldham in favour of the JPT? . Now people are complaining he played his first team and risked them ahead of the JPT!!!!!!![/p][/quote]LR, and your point is????????????.....I was there for Oldham and Colchester, doubt you made the trip for obvious reasons. However I think you've just emphasised the point many of the fans that do attend regularly, 1 point from 6 at home from games we should have been looking to take maximum is not good enough and quite frankly proves the point I tried to make he doesn't know what he's doing. I will be renewing my 4 season tickets, despite having no confidence that the present manager has the ability to take us a step further and get us into the Championship. I think his position is safe for the moment, because he meets Lee Powers needs for now, I still think he has acceptable coaching credentials, but a first team manager he is NOT. , As you seem to be defending him as damned if he does or damned if he doesn't maybe you can enlighten us as to whether in your opinion he is the right person to take us forward. old town robin

11:31pm Tue 18 Feb 14

old town robin says...

Swindon1984 wrote:
Sat back to see the first half out which was fair enough. Unfortunately sat back too much second half, against a team who have scored more goals than any other in the fooball league. Nearly paid off mind, and if we had have won on penalties I doubt anyone would be moaning, and would instead be praising Cooper's tactical astuteness. Makes me laugh really, it's easy in hindsight to slate the manager. A draw in both games was the right result all things considered - first game two own goals, last night each side gifted a goal to the other.

Key points for me -

Penalty not given, posh player would have had to be sent off.

Murphy playing the ball back when he should have cleared, or at least communicated better where the ball was to be passed.

Penalties speak for themselves.

For those criticising Branco, he didn't have a perfect game by any means but remember if he hadn't cleverly stepped up playing the posh striker offisde second half we would have lost it in 90 minutes rather than on penalties.

Reis I wouldn't be too hard on - it was an awful penalty, could tell the way he pigeon stepped up the ball it wasn't going in, but he'll be feeling bad enough as it is.

Ultimately it's disappointing but some getting too worked up are doing the lads a disservice, they showed grit and determination, played well during the game with a weakened team (two full backs and both first choice strikers out) and still gave a good account of themselves.

Was expecting more to focus on the positives than launch into a tirrade against the players and manager. Some will use this to justify not going to the county ground for the rest of the season, and why they haven't been this season to date either, preferring to bad mouth the club from behind the safety of a computer screen and a locked door. Whatever helps you sleep at night. I went to sleep last night disappointed but proud that they'd given all they could and didn't disgrace themselves by any means. And will still be attending home and away, cheering on my team. That's what it's all about at the end of the day - win, lose or draw, you either want to support the club or you don't, end of story. COYR.
1984, think you've got it wrong about criticism of the players, very few if any. Most posts I have read is targeted at our manager and the scheite officials
[quote][p][bold]Swindon1984[/bold] wrote: Sat back to see the first half out which was fair enough. Unfortunately sat back too much second half, against a team who have scored more goals than any other in the fooball league. Nearly paid off mind, and if we had have won on penalties I doubt anyone would be moaning, and would instead be praising Cooper's tactical astuteness. Makes me laugh really, it's easy in hindsight to slate the manager. A draw in both games was the right result all things considered - first game two own goals, last night each side gifted a goal to the other. Key points for me - Penalty not given, posh player would have had to be sent off. Murphy playing the ball back when he should have cleared, or at least communicated better where the ball was to be passed. Penalties speak for themselves. For those criticising Branco, he didn't have a perfect game by any means but remember if he hadn't cleverly stepped up playing the posh striker offisde second half we would have lost it in 90 minutes rather than on penalties. Reis I wouldn't be too hard on - it was an awful penalty, could tell the way he pigeon stepped up the ball it wasn't going in, but he'll be feeling bad enough as it is. Ultimately it's disappointing but some getting too worked up are doing the lads a disservice, they showed grit and determination, played well during the game with a weakened team (two full backs and both first choice strikers out) and still gave a good account of themselves. Was expecting more to focus on the positives than launch into a tirrade against the players and manager. Some will use this to justify not going to the county ground for the rest of the season, and why they haven't been this season to date either, preferring to bad mouth the club from behind the safety of a computer screen and a locked door. Whatever helps you sleep at night. I went to sleep last night disappointed but proud that they'd given all they could and didn't disgrace themselves by any means. And will still be attending home and away, cheering on my team. That's what it's all about at the end of the day - win, lose or draw, you either want to support the club or you don't, end of story. COYR.[/p][/quote]1984, think you've got it wrong about criticism of the players, very few if any. Most posts I have read is targeted at our manager and the scheite officials old town robin

11:47pm Tue 18 Feb 14

old town robin says...

mrclick wrote:
stfcdod wrote:
sagadude wrote:
We are PANTS wrote:
Well done to the loyal 6,300 Swindon fans last night for trying to lift the players by being the 12th man.. Shame about the armchair supporters who watched it at home yet still have the gaul to come on here slating the management and team... Do us loyals a favour and move up the A420 some 30 odd miles...
Yeah well, those certain armchair fans are the ones that have watched the Town for over twenty years and are fed up with the same old poor management.

Last nights game would not have been lost with Hoddle and the same squad.

We are annoyed that Power does not even seek the opportunity to talk to Hoddle at least, and then replace Cooper who is doing his best but has not the tactical skills and experience to get this club no further than the position they are in now.

It is not all about money as other teams managers have proven.

I have had more season tickets than all you lot out together. Open your eyes.
Sagadude..........yo


u say that 'We are annoyed that Power does not even seek the opportunity to talk to Hoddle at least'. You then go on to say, 'It is not all about money'.
Please make your mind up.
we had a proven manager Danny WIlson and he proved clueless -
Over the two games against Posh, we looked a decent side, great result to come back from 2 down away - suppose Cooper got that right - not so great to lose on pens last night - does this mean Cooper got it wrong - it just not how the games played sorry
The idea of Hoddle is completely unrealistic, he wouldn't come and he wouldn't be any good, do you think he hasn't had a prem' job offer every month for the last couple of years.... get a grip
As a young side we certainly show promise, at the start of the season I was predicting 12th - and I believe there were many posters on here saying we would be relegated. Cooper has done a good job and next year he'll do a better job. Those talking about how Mile Story would have won us the game clearly haven't seen him play - nothing against the lad and I hope he makes it - according to the Shrewsbury Chronicle - he "did little to impress on his debut" and I also have to say the vast majority of the chat on here about tactics really shows the naivety of the poster.
Cooper was spot on yesterday and if Murphy hadn't tried to play out of defence (which he clearly had been told to do) then we'd have won the game
I don't think anyone has said Storey would have won us the game, the point that you seemed to have misunderstood is he would have been an option with a proven track record as an impact sub, aka Coventry. By sending him to Shrews we had zero striker options on the bench. I assume you have seen enough of town to make a sensible judgement of the positions the 5 players that were on the bench play to know we had nobody to replace Dany when he came off as bringing on Gladwin to do a job he was obviously not suited for proved to the embarrassment of Cooper he threw away any chance we had with his lack of nous..
[quote][p][bold]mrclick[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]stfcdod[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]sagadude[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]We are PANTS[/bold] wrote: Well done to the loyal 6,300 Swindon fans last night for trying to lift the players by being the 12th man.. Shame about the armchair supporters who watched it at home yet still have the gaul to come on here slating the management and team... Do us loyals a favour and move up the A420 some 30 odd miles...[/p][/quote]Yeah well, those certain armchair fans are the ones that have watched the Town for over twenty years and are fed up with the same old poor management. Last nights game would not have been lost with Hoddle and the same squad. We are annoyed that Power does not even seek the opportunity to talk to Hoddle at least, and then replace Cooper who is doing his best but has not the tactical skills and experience to get this club no further than the position they are in now. It is not all about money as other teams managers have proven. I have had more season tickets than all you lot out together. Open your eyes.[/p][/quote]Sagadude..........yo u say that 'We are annoyed that Power does not even seek the opportunity to talk to Hoddle at least'. You then go on to say, 'It is not all about money'. Please make your mind up.[/p][/quote]we had a proven manager Danny WIlson and he proved clueless - Over the two games against Posh, we looked a decent side, great result to come back from 2 down away - suppose Cooper got that right - not so great to lose on pens last night - does this mean Cooper got it wrong - it just not how the games played sorry The idea of Hoddle is completely unrealistic, he wouldn't come and he wouldn't be any good, do you think he hasn't had a prem' job offer every month for the last couple of years.... get a grip As a young side we certainly show promise, at the start of the season I was predicting 12th - and I believe there were many posters on here saying we would be relegated. Cooper has done a good job and next year he'll do a better job. Those talking about how Mile Story would have won us the game clearly haven't seen him play - nothing against the lad and I hope he makes it - according to the Shrewsbury Chronicle - he "did little to impress on his debut" and I also have to say the vast majority of the chat on here about tactics really shows the naivety of the poster. Cooper was spot on yesterday and if Murphy hadn't tried to play out of defence (which he clearly had been told to do) then we'd have won the game[/p][/quote]I don't think anyone has said Storey would have won us the game, the point that you seemed to have misunderstood is he would have been an option with a proven track record as an impact sub, aka Coventry. By sending him to Shrews we had zero striker options on the bench. I assume you have seen enough of town to make a sensible judgement of the positions the 5 players that were on the bench play to know we had nobody to replace Dany when he came off as bringing on Gladwin to do a job he was obviously not suited for proved to the embarrassment of Cooper he threw away any chance we had with his lack of nous.. old town robin

12:52am Wed 19 Feb 14

Oxon-Red says...

old town robin wrote:
smirg kcab wrote:
Oxon-Red wrote:
smirg kcab wrote:
Oxon-Red wrote:
Cricklade Reds wrote:
Oxon-Red wrote: Couple of points: 1. Miles was loaned out before the injury to Nile when the striker shortage was not an issue. 2. In the last 10 minutes of the 1st half Posh were having a lot of success attacking down the right hand side. Second half they were nowhere near as successful in that area. Bad tactics to snuff out the very live threat they were posing ? COYMR
However Nile Ranger is in court next week and would not have been available. I really taken to Smith as the main striker however think Storey would be a lot better than Barker playing off him. In the supporters favourite 4-4-2.
Dany in court as well ?

He played the target man role superbly last night and is available til the end of the season (or have I missed something). Miles is loaned fo a month, I hope he does well and returns with some experience under his belt.

He is being talked of as if he is the Messiah (I'll avoid Monty Python) and he alone can save us. Big ask for a player I don't believe is ready yet.

COYMR
Miles not ready to play upfront?
So gladwin has experience to play and lead the attack before him?
Did I say that ? Gladwin was used purely for his height IMO it did not work but of course he is now being judged for playing 15 minutes out of position. Very sad.

As I said in an earlier post, Miles was loaned before the injury to Ranger and he is not a target man. No injury, no shortage of strikers. For league matches we have two strikers that can now play that lead man role. But I forgot, Smith is Conference level because he struggled to control balls that were being blown around like a beach ball.

I am amazed that people have so much faith in him when four managers have not really felt he is good enough to start regularly and one of those was managing in the Conference. It will be interesting too see if it becomes 5 managers. I want him to do well but I have seen him play well on two occasions and I just don't think he is ready yet. Nathan wasn't rushed and we are now reaping the rewards.

COYMR
I haven't judged him on 15 mins. I said cooper could have ruined his career playing him in that position.
Let's be fair cooper don't want ranger here didn't want dany here and don't want story here, because he's happy playing 1 or 0 upfront, also as someone else said why let a player take a pen when he hasn't had no game time thought he would have learned from that other one before him when storey missed at brentford.
Ranger didn't look a conference player in windy conditions?.
I also believe Nathan hasn't set the world alight this season.
Do respect your opinion tho
summed it up well Grim, despite the opinions of some I think you know your football
I have watched a fair amount of football and I believe I have a good understanding of what it takes to be a successful club and from my experience the constant changing of managers is not the way forward. I am not suggesting that Mark is the answer but I really don't understand the "lose a game" change the manger attitude.

Please, please, please, please, please tell us which current person that is not involved as a manager you want in charge at STFC Big question WHO, WHO is the very naughty boy that is going to be prepared to come to our club and take us where you optimistically believe we should be.

Easy to sit there, like it is for me, to say you would not try to defend what you have, Ardillles did it week after week. Mourinho does it but Cooper, who he ?

Come on put a name down, be a penalty taker. I watched the game last night and we were being slaughtered down the right hand side we went 4-5-1 and that threat disappeared until we made one mistake. One mistake, not by the manager, by a player. Please give me a name.

Please don't take my rant tonight personally I am just very frustrated that posters call for someone to take the wrap for their disappointment but are unable to offer an alternative. It is easy to say or type "Cooper out" and "Power out" (took me 10 seconds) but IMO you need to have an idea of who will replace them.
[quote][p][bold]old town robin[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]smirg kcab[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Oxon-Red[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]smirg kcab[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Oxon-Red[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Cricklade Reds[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Oxon-Red[/bold] wrote: Couple of points: 1. Miles was loaned out before the injury to Nile when the striker shortage was not an issue. 2. In the last 10 minutes of the 1st half Posh were having a lot of success attacking down the right hand side. Second half they were nowhere near as successful in that area. Bad tactics to snuff out the very live threat they were posing ? COYMR[/p][/quote]However Nile Ranger is in court next week and would not have been available. I really taken to Smith as the main striker however think Storey would be a lot better than Barker playing off him. In the supporters favourite 4-4-2.[/p][/quote]Dany in court as well ? He played the target man role superbly last night and is available til the end of the season (or have I missed something). Miles is loaned fo a month, I hope he does well and returns with some experience under his belt. He is being talked of as if he is the Messiah (I'll avoid Monty Python) and he alone can save us. Big ask for a player I don't believe is ready yet. COYMR[/p][/quote]Miles not ready to play upfront? So gladwin has experience to play and lead the attack before him?[/p][/quote]Did I say that ? Gladwin was used purely for his height IMO it did not work but of course he is now being judged for playing 15 minutes out of position. Very sad. As I said in an earlier post, Miles was loaned before the injury to Ranger and he is not a target man. No injury, no shortage of strikers. For league matches we have two strikers that can now play that lead man role. But I forgot, Smith is Conference level because he struggled to control balls that were being blown around like a beach ball. I am amazed that people have so much faith in him when four managers have not really felt he is good enough to start regularly and one of those was managing in the Conference. It will be interesting too see if it becomes 5 managers. I want him to do well but I have seen him play well on two occasions and I just don't think he is ready yet. Nathan wasn't rushed and we are now reaping the rewards. COYMR[/p][/quote]I haven't judged him on 15 mins. I said cooper could have ruined his career playing him in that position. Let's be fair cooper don't want ranger here didn't want dany here and don't want story here, because he's happy playing 1 or 0 upfront, also as someone else said why let a player take a pen when he hasn't had no game time thought he would have learned from that other one before him when storey missed at brentford. Ranger didn't look a conference player in windy conditions?. I also believe Nathan hasn't set the world alight this season. Do respect your opinion tho[/p][/quote]summed it up well Grim, despite the opinions of some I think you know your football[/p][/quote]I have watched a fair amount of football and I believe I have a good understanding of what it takes to be a successful club and from my experience the constant changing of managers is not the way forward. I am not suggesting that Mark is the answer but I really don't understand the "lose a game" change the manger attitude. Please, please, please, please, please tell us which current person that is not involved as a manager you want in charge at STFC Big question WHO, WHO is the very naughty boy that is going to be prepared to come to our club and take us where you optimistically believe we should be. Easy to sit there, like it is for me, to say you would not try to defend what you have, Ardillles did it week after week. Mourinho does it but Cooper, who he ? Come on put a name down, be a penalty taker. I watched the game last night and we were being slaughtered down the right hand side we went 4-5-1 and that threat disappeared until we made one mistake. One mistake, not by the manager, by a player. Please give me a name. Please don't take my rant tonight personally I am just very frustrated that posters call for someone to take the wrap for their disappointment but are unable to offer an alternative. It is easy to say or type "Cooper out" and "Power out" (took me 10 seconds) but IMO you need to have an idea of who will replace them. Oxon-Red

7:28am Wed 19 Feb 14

Swindon1984 says...

old town robin wrote:
Swindon1984 wrote:
Sat back to see the first half out which was fair enough. Unfortunately sat back too much second half, against a team who have scored more goals than any other in the fooball league. Nearly paid off mind, and if we had have won on penalties I doubt anyone would be moaning, and would instead be praising Cooper's tactical astuteness. Makes me laugh really, it's easy in hindsight to slate the manager. A draw in both games was the right result all things considered - first game two own goals, last night each side gifted a goal to the other.

Key points for me -

Penalty not given, posh player would have had to be sent off.

Murphy playing the ball back when he should have cleared, or at least communicated better where the ball was to be passed.

Penalties speak for themselves.

For those criticising Branco, he didn't have a perfect game by any means but remember if he hadn't cleverly stepped up playing the posh striker offisde second half we would have lost it in 90 minutes rather than on penalties.

Reis I wouldn't be too hard on - it was an awful penalty, could tell the way he pigeon stepped up the ball it wasn't going in, but he'll be feeling bad enough as it is.

Ultimately it's disappointing but some getting too worked up are doing the lads a disservice, they showed grit and determination, played well during the game with a weakened team (two full backs and both first choice strikers out) and still gave a good account of themselves.

Was expecting more to focus on the positives than launch into a tirrade against the players and manager. Some will use this to justify not going to the county ground for the rest of the season, and why they haven't been this season to date either, preferring to bad mouth the club from behind the safety of a computer screen and a locked door. Whatever helps you sleep at night. I went to sleep last night disappointed but proud that they'd given all they could and didn't disgrace themselves by any means. And will still be attending home and away, cheering on my team. That's what it's all about at the end of the day - win, lose or draw, you either want to support the club or you don't, end of story. COYR.
1984, think you've got it wrong about criticism of the players, very few if any. Most posts I have read is targeted at our manager and the scheite officials
There hasn't been much criticism of the players but certainly some - Branco was singled out as looking half asleep, although as I pointed out it was only his alertness in stepping up to play a boro forward offside that kept us in the game second half. Grim'a also seemingly written Reis off for the penalty miss (thought he played alright in the game itself) although claims he's judging him not on one game but on the season - bizarre as he hasn't played enough for us to judge either way.

Genuinely believe people's disappointment is disabling their ability to think logically, and some are overreacting. I think we're about where we deserve to be in the league, and in a season of transition that's not so bad. Am I saying I'm thrilled at the minute? Not at all, but you have to stick with it, Rome wasn't built in a day.

Some seem to think progress should be made immediately but each regime change means a new start, and a new timeframe in which to achieve our goals. Kick out Power and the whole process starts over from scratch! And much as I was a fan of Fitton and latterly Wrat, we're no further on then when they took over. We've been in the third tier of English football for most of the clubs existence, occasionally sitting in second for periods and once in the top tier, but some sound like we've never had it so bad. Fitton and Black invested far more money than Power, but still couldn't get us championship football, some need to remember that.
[quote][p][bold]old town robin[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Swindon1984[/bold] wrote: Sat back to see the first half out which was fair enough. Unfortunately sat back too much second half, against a team who have scored more goals than any other in the fooball league. Nearly paid off mind, and if we had have won on penalties I doubt anyone would be moaning, and would instead be praising Cooper's tactical astuteness. Makes me laugh really, it's easy in hindsight to slate the manager. A draw in both games was the right result all things considered - first game two own goals, last night each side gifted a goal to the other. Key points for me - Penalty not given, posh player would have had to be sent off. Murphy playing the ball back when he should have cleared, or at least communicated better where the ball was to be passed. Penalties speak for themselves. For those criticising Branco, he didn't have a perfect game by any means but remember if he hadn't cleverly stepped up playing the posh striker offisde second half we would have lost it in 90 minutes rather than on penalties. Reis I wouldn't be too hard on - it was an awful penalty, could tell the way he pigeon stepped up the ball it wasn't going in, but he'll be feeling bad enough as it is. Ultimately it's disappointing but some getting too worked up are doing the lads a disservice, they showed grit and determination, played well during the game with a weakened team (two full backs and both first choice strikers out) and still gave a good account of themselves. Was expecting more to focus on the positives than launch into a tirrade against the players and manager. Some will use this to justify not going to the county ground for the rest of the season, and why they haven't been this season to date either, preferring to bad mouth the club from behind the safety of a computer screen and a locked door. Whatever helps you sleep at night. I went to sleep last night disappointed but proud that they'd given all they could and didn't disgrace themselves by any means. And will still be attending home and away, cheering on my team. That's what it's all about at the end of the day - win, lose or draw, you either want to support the club or you don't, end of story. COYR.[/p][/quote]1984, think you've got it wrong about criticism of the players, very few if any. Most posts I have read is targeted at our manager and the scheite officials[/p][/quote]There hasn't been much criticism of the players but certainly some - Branco was singled out as looking half asleep, although as I pointed out it was only his alertness in stepping up to play a boro forward offside that kept us in the game second half. Grim'a also seemingly written Reis off for the penalty miss (thought he played alright in the game itself) although claims he's judging him not on one game but on the season - bizarre as he hasn't played enough for us to judge either way. Genuinely believe people's disappointment is disabling their ability to think logically, and some are overreacting. I think we're about where we deserve to be in the league, and in a season of transition that's not so bad. Am I saying I'm thrilled at the minute? Not at all, but you have to stick with it, Rome wasn't built in a day. Some seem to think progress should be made immediately but each regime change means a new start, and a new timeframe in which to achieve our goals. Kick out Power and the whole process starts over from scratch! And much as I was a fan of Fitton and latterly Wrat, we're no further on then when they took over. We've been in the third tier of English football for most of the clubs existence, occasionally sitting in second for periods and once in the top tier, but some sound like we've never had it so bad. Fitton and Black invested far more money than Power, but still couldn't get us championship football, some need to remember that. Swindon1984

7:51am Wed 19 Feb 14

ciclosporindorset says...

old town robin wrote:
smirg kcab wrote:
Oxon-Red wrote:
smirg kcab wrote:
Oxon-Red wrote:
Cricklade Reds wrote:
Oxon-Red wrote: Couple of points: 1. Miles was loaned out before the injury to Nile when the striker shortage was not an issue. 2. In the last 10 minutes of the 1st half Posh were having a lot of success attacking down the right hand side. Second half they were nowhere near as successful in that area. Bad tactics to snuff out the very live threat they were posing ? COYMR
However Nile Ranger is in court next week and would not have been available. I really taken to Smith as the main striker however think Storey would be a lot better than Barker playing off him. In the supporters favourite 4-4-2.
Dany in court as well ?

He played the target man role superbly last night and is available til the end of the season (or have I missed something). Miles is loaned fo a month, I hope he does well and returns with some experience under his belt.

He is being talked of as if he is the Messiah (I'll avoid Monty Python) and he alone can save us. Big ask for a player I don't believe is ready yet.

COYMR
Miles not ready to play upfront?
So gladwin has experience to play and lead the attack before him?
Did I say that ? Gladwin was used purely for his height IMO it did not work but of course he is now being judged for playing 15 minutes out of position. Very sad.

As I said in an earlier post, Miles was loaned before the injury to Ranger and he is not a target man. No injury, no shortage of strikers. For league matches we have two strikers that can now play that lead man role. But I forgot, Smith is Conference level because he struggled to control balls that were being blown around like a beach ball.

I am amazed that people have so much faith in him when four managers have not really felt he is good enough to start regularly and one of those was managing in the Conference. It will be interesting too see if it becomes 5 managers. I want him to do well but I have seen him play well on two occasions and I just don't think he is ready yet. Nathan wasn't rushed and we are now reaping the rewards.

COYMR
I haven't judged him on 15 mins. I said cooper could have ruined his career playing him in that position.
Let's be fair cooper don't want ranger here didn't want dany here and don't want story here, because he's happy playing 1 or 0 upfront, also as someone else said why let a player take a pen when he hasn't had no game time thought he would have learned from that other one before him when storey missed at brentford.
Ranger didn't look a conference player in windy conditions?.
I also believe Nathan hasn't set the world alight this season.
Do respect your opinion tho
summed it up well Grim, despite the opinions of some I think you know your football
I daresay Grim does know his football, but he gets minus scores just to annoy everybody. Same with a few on here who changed names over the past couple of years. Best not to take anything he says too seriously its all a bit of fun.
[quote][p][bold]old town robin[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]smirg kcab[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Oxon-Red[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]smirg kcab[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Oxon-Red[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Cricklade Reds[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Oxon-Red[/bold] wrote: Couple of points: 1. Miles was loaned out before the injury to Nile when the striker shortage was not an issue. 2. In the last 10 minutes of the 1st half Posh were having a lot of success attacking down the right hand side. Second half they were nowhere near as successful in that area. Bad tactics to snuff out the very live threat they were posing ? COYMR[/p][/quote]However Nile Ranger is in court next week and would not have been available. I really taken to Smith as the main striker however think Storey would be a lot better than Barker playing off him. In the supporters favourite 4-4-2.[/p][/quote]Dany in court as well ? He played the target man role superbly last night and is available til the end of the season (or have I missed something). Miles is loaned fo a month, I hope he does well and returns with some experience under his belt. He is being talked of as if he is the Messiah (I'll avoid Monty Python) and he alone can save us. Big ask for a player I don't believe is ready yet. COYMR[/p][/quote]Miles not ready to play upfront? So gladwin has experience to play and lead the attack before him?[/p][/quote]Did I say that ? Gladwin was used purely for his height IMO it did not work but of course he is now being judged for playing 15 minutes out of position. Very sad. As I said in an earlier post, Miles was loaned before the injury to Ranger and he is not a target man. No injury, no shortage of strikers. For league matches we have two strikers that can now play that lead man role. But I forgot, Smith is Conference level because he struggled to control balls that were being blown around like a beach ball. I am amazed that people have so much faith in him when four managers have not really felt he is good enough to start regularly and one of those was managing in the Conference. It will be interesting too see if it becomes 5 managers. I want him to do well but I have seen him play well on two occasions and I just don't think he is ready yet. Nathan wasn't rushed and we are now reaping the rewards. COYMR[/p][/quote]I haven't judged him on 15 mins. I said cooper could have ruined his career playing him in that position. Let's be fair cooper don't want ranger here didn't want dany here and don't want story here, because he's happy playing 1 or 0 upfront, also as someone else said why let a player take a pen when he hasn't had no game time thought he would have learned from that other one before him when storey missed at brentford. Ranger didn't look a conference player in windy conditions?. I also believe Nathan hasn't set the world alight this season. Do respect your opinion tho[/p][/quote]summed it up well Grim, despite the opinions of some I think you know your football[/p][/quote]I daresay Grim does know his football, but he gets minus scores just to annoy everybody. Same with a few on here who changed names over the past couple of years. Best not to take anything he says too seriously its all a bit of fun. ciclosporindorset

9:18am Wed 19 Feb 14

London Red says...

old town robin wrote:
mrclick wrote:
stfcdod wrote:
sagadude wrote:
We are PANTS wrote: Well done to the loyal 6,300 Swindon fans last night for trying to lift the players by being the 12th man.. Shame about the armchair supporters who watched it at home yet still have the gaul to come on here slating the management and team... Do us loyals a favour and move up the A420 some 30 odd miles...
Yeah well, those certain armchair fans are the ones that have watched the Town for over twenty years and are fed up with the same old poor management. Last nights game would not have been lost with Hoddle and the same squad. We are annoyed that Power does not even seek the opportunity to talk to Hoddle at least, and then replace Cooper who is doing his best but has not the tactical skills and experience to get this club no further than the position they are in now. It is not all about money as other teams managers have proven. I have had more season tickets than all you lot out together. Open your eyes.
Sagadude..........yo u say that 'We are annoyed that Power does not even seek the opportunity to talk to Hoddle at least'. You then go on to say, 'It is not all about money'. Please make your mind up.
we had a proven manager Danny WIlson and he proved clueless - Over the two games against Posh, we looked a decent side, great result to come back from 2 down away - suppose Cooper got that right - not so great to lose on pens last night - does this mean Cooper got it wrong - it just not how the games played sorry The idea of Hoddle is completely unrealistic, he wouldn't come and he wouldn't be any good, do you think he hasn't had a prem' job offer every month for the last couple of years.... get a grip As a young side we certainly show promise, at the start of the season I was predicting 12th - and I believe there were many posters on here saying we would be relegated. Cooper has done a good job and next year he'll do a better job. Those talking about how Mile Story would have won us the game clearly haven't seen him play - nothing against the lad and I hope he makes it - according to the Shrewsbury Chronicle - he "did little to impress on his debut" and I also have to say the vast majority of the chat on here about tactics really shows the naivety of the poster. Cooper was spot on yesterday and if Murphy hadn't tried to play out of defence (which he clearly had been told to do) then we'd have won the game
I don't think anyone has said Storey would have won us the game, the point that you seemed to have misunderstood is he would have been an option with a proven track record as an impact sub, aka Coventry. By sending him to Shrews we had zero striker options on the bench. I assume you have seen enough of town to make a sensible judgement of the positions the 5 players that were on the bench play to know we had nobody to replace Dany when he came off as bringing on Gladwin to do a job he was obviously not suited for proved to the embarrassment of Cooper he threw away any chance we had with his lack of nous..
When does one game become a proven track record????????
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Who's to say Storey would have even been on the bench had he not gone on loan? Barker wasn't and he is not cup tied or injured and is a forward.
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Also there is far too much short term focus on one game - Smith is now back and that would mean Storey is out of the picture again as we WILL go with N'Guessan and Smith at Orient
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Storwey ASKED to go out on loan as he wants game time - let him have some and see if he can come back better - if he does we all win
[quote][p][bold]old town robin[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mrclick[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]stfcdod[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]sagadude[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]We are PANTS[/bold] wrote: Well done to the loyal 6,300 Swindon fans last night for trying to lift the players by being the 12th man.. Shame about the armchair supporters who watched it at home yet still have the gaul to come on here slating the management and team... Do us loyals a favour and move up the A420 some 30 odd miles...[/p][/quote]Yeah well, those certain armchair fans are the ones that have watched the Town for over twenty years and are fed up with the same old poor management. Last nights game would not have been lost with Hoddle and the same squad. We are annoyed that Power does not even seek the opportunity to talk to Hoddle at least, and then replace Cooper who is doing his best but has not the tactical skills and experience to get this club no further than the position they are in now. It is not all about money as other teams managers have proven. I have had more season tickets than all you lot out together. Open your eyes.[/p][/quote]Sagadude..........yo u say that 'We are annoyed that Power does not even seek the opportunity to talk to Hoddle at least'. You then go on to say, 'It is not all about money'. Please make your mind up.[/p][/quote]we had a proven manager Danny WIlson and he proved clueless - Over the two games against Posh, we looked a decent side, great result to come back from 2 down away - suppose Cooper got that right - not so great to lose on pens last night - does this mean Cooper got it wrong - it just not how the games played sorry The idea of Hoddle is completely unrealistic, he wouldn't come and he wouldn't be any good, do you think he hasn't had a prem' job offer every month for the last couple of years.... get a grip As a young side we certainly show promise, at the start of the season I was predicting 12th - and I believe there were many posters on here saying we would be relegated. Cooper has done a good job and next year he'll do a better job. Those talking about how Mile Story would have won us the game clearly haven't seen him play - nothing against the lad and I hope he makes it - according to the Shrewsbury Chronicle - he "did little to impress on his debut" and I also have to say the vast majority of the chat on here about tactics really shows the naivety of the poster. Cooper was spot on yesterday and if Murphy hadn't tried to play out of defence (which he clearly had been told to do) then we'd have won the game[/p][/quote]I don't think anyone has said Storey would have won us the game, the point that you seemed to have misunderstood is he would have been an option with a proven track record as an impact sub, aka Coventry. By sending him to Shrews we had zero striker options on the bench. I assume you have seen enough of town to make a sensible judgement of the positions the 5 players that were on the bench play to know we had nobody to replace Dany when he came off as bringing on Gladwin to do a job he was obviously not suited for proved to the embarrassment of Cooper he threw away any chance we had with his lack of nous..[/p][/quote]When does one game become a proven track record???????? . Who's to say Storey would have even been on the bench had he not gone on loan? Barker wasn't and he is not cup tied or injured and is a forward. . Also there is far too much short term focus on one game - Smith is now back and that would mean Storey is out of the picture again as we WILL go with N'Guessan and Smith at Orient . Storwey ASKED to go out on loan as he wants game time - let him have some and see if he can come back better - if he does we all win London Red

9:38am Wed 19 Feb 14

London Red says...

old town robin wrote:
London Red wrote:
old town robin wrote:
chrystovski wrote: I don't normally criticise Cooper and up until this point I haven't felt the need to but I think he got it badly wrong in the 2nd half last night. Firstly we should never have sat so deep hoping one goal would be enough, with the firepower Boro have we were always going to need to score at least 2. We were trying to hold onto a one goal lead for 45 minutes, far too much respect was paid to them. A 2nd goal for us would have killed the tie and sometimes the best form of defence is attack. Secondly he should have made changes at the 60 minute mark. We started to look really tired quite early into the 2nd half as Posh began to take a stranglehold on the game but instead he waited and waited and waited until the inevitable happened, they scored and then he made 2 changes! You don't need to have coaching badges to work out that had been coming. Cannot fault the players effort they really did the club proud, penalties are a lottery so no blame attached to Mass or Tijane either, just wish it was us going to Wembley instead as I cannot see us going via the playoffs.
Chrystov, we did concede 75% of possession second half, but only for just over 1/2 an hour, after conceding we tried to get back in the last 10 minutes to how we played first half. but the momentum was gone as tired legs took their toll. As you say poor poor tactics, when we played them in the league we did exactly the same and sat back in the second half and I think most who were there for that game would agree we were lucky to get away with it. Ferguson is shrewd and read Coopers attempted tactics like a book which is not too hard to do for someone who lacks nous. Most managers make tactical substitutions around 65 minute. Cooper almost always waits until after 80 minutes, which as far as I can remember only worked once for him when Storey destroyed Coventry. In fairness last night I was not surprised he waited until so late to make changes because our bench was so weak with no recognised striker available. Our beautiful pitch is pretty cut up now having played 2 games in 3 days. Why we tried so hard to get the game played on Friday in hindsight was a bad decision, not only were the conditions as bad as I have ever seen football played in , the crowd number were well down and probably cost the club £30k in revenue and why oh why did Cooper risk playing Nat when he was on 9 yellows and our best player Ranger when he was so important to have for this cup game if we were serious with our intent to get to Wembley.. In addition why did he send Storey out on loan when he did not have any strikers available for the bench. One bad decision you can live with, but this was an accumulation of errors that led to our downfall, despite the fact the starting 11 played very well last night and can not be faulted for their effort and a truly awful official who should be made to explain some of his decisions which were appalling. I would like to see Cooper man up and admit he got it wrong, but he won't, he always has an excuse and it's never his fault because of poor decision making. Rant over, time to move on and try to get through the remaining 15 games with 10 win, no yellow cards and injury free. COYR .
Wasn't Cooper slated for playing a weaker team against Oldham in favour of the JPT? . Now people are complaining he played his first team and risked them ahead of the JPT!!!!!!!
LR, and your point is????????????.....I was there for Oldham and Colchester, doubt you made the trip for obvious reasons. However I think you've just emphasised the point many of the fans that do attend regularly, 1 point from 6 at home from games we should have been looking to take maximum is not good enough and quite frankly proves the point I tried to make he doesn't know what he's doing. I will be renewing my 4 season tickets, despite having no confidence that the present manager has the ability to take us a step further and get us into the Championship. I think his position is safe for the moment, because he meets Lee Powers needs for now, I still think he has acceptable coaching credentials, but a first team manager he is NOT. , As you seem to be defending him as damned if he does or damned if he doesn't maybe you can enlighten us as to whether in your opinion he is the right person to take us forward.
My point is I'm fed up of the contridictions which keep coming from our fans
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First Cooper is slated for resting Kasim - so he doesn't do that again with Thompson - and then is slated - WTF!!!!
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It goes on and on too - the general thought we would be relegated - yet now we are 8th - fans still moan as we should be closer to the POs!
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Squad is inbalanced and lacking quality - yet Cooper should be doing better with the squad we have!
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We want the budget to be more but ticket prices to go down!
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Make your minds up!
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Do I think Cooper is perfect - No
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Do I think he is the man to take us forward - Don't know Its far far far to early to tell
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When Power said judge me after 5 years as to where he taken us not after 5 minutes - I listened and agree that is actually a sensible request
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I fully understand that this year due to legacy costs in the squad and other restructuring we could not build the perfect squad - so the inconsitency should be expected while we have gaps - this year should highlight them and allow recruitment to be focussed on them - ie a new commading CB and a defensive midfielder with experience needed most
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However, I've been plesently surprised with the investment made - so £700k in transfer fees was not expected at all! Remember most thought Power was simply going to asset strip us to line his own pockets!
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I personally think the current core squad is a lot stronger than it was coming to the end of last season and once we see Williams, Navarro, Benson, Cox et al leave and free up a massive chunk of our wage bill (about a 5th at least!) we will see the squad dynamic improve no end
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Therefore, I'm happy to see how our young management team develop alongside our young team next season
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If however, our squad does dramtically improve (we won't know that until Oct/Nov really) and results are not matching it then maybe end of next year or the year after we ould have to think about changing Cooper
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But that is some 50-100 games away - so for now lets see what lessons he is learning
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We have Wolves, Brentofrd and Preston coming up at home - that will see if he has learnt from the Posh experience
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We also have Notts C, Tranmere and Carlisle away - so perfect opportunities if lessons have been learnt from Stevenage and Gill etc
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We IMO are now 6 points from safety - lets chalk them up as quickly as possible and then lets keep fighthing for the POs as long as possible
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If that then turns out to be one step too far - then start looking to the future and bring back Storey and play him alongside Gladwin, Reckford et al to see if they are good enough
[quote][p][bold]old town robin[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]London Red[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]old town robin[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]chrystovski[/bold] wrote: I don't normally criticise Cooper and up until this point I haven't felt the need to but I think he got it badly wrong in the 2nd half last night. Firstly we should never have sat so deep hoping one goal would be enough, with the firepower Boro have we were always going to need to score at least 2. We were trying to hold onto a one goal lead for 45 minutes, far too much respect was paid to them. A 2nd goal for us would have killed the tie and sometimes the best form of defence is attack. Secondly he should have made changes at the 60 minute mark. We started to look really tired quite early into the 2nd half as Posh began to take a stranglehold on the game but instead he waited and waited and waited until the inevitable happened, they scored and then he made 2 changes! You don't need to have coaching badges to work out that had been coming. Cannot fault the players effort they really did the club proud, penalties are a lottery so no blame attached to Mass or Tijane either, just wish it was us going to Wembley instead as I cannot see us going via the playoffs.[/p][/quote]Chrystov, we did concede 75% of possession second half, but only for just over 1/2 an hour, after conceding we tried to get back in the last 10 minutes to how we played first half. but the momentum was gone as tired legs took their toll. As you say poor poor tactics, when we played them in the league we did exactly the same and sat back in the second half and I think most who were there for that game would agree we were lucky to get away with it. Ferguson is shrewd and read Coopers attempted tactics like a book which is not too hard to do for someone who lacks nous. Most managers make tactical substitutions around 65 minute. Cooper almost always waits until after 80 minutes, which as far as I can remember only worked once for him when Storey destroyed Coventry. In fairness last night I was not surprised he waited until so late to make changes because our bench was so weak with no recognised striker available. Our beautiful pitch is pretty cut up now having played 2 games in 3 days. Why we tried so hard to get the game played on Friday in hindsight was a bad decision, not only were the conditions as bad as I have ever seen football played in , the crowd number were well down and probably cost the club £30k in revenue and why oh why did Cooper risk playing Nat when he was on 9 yellows and our best player Ranger when he was so important to have for this cup game if we were serious with our intent to get to Wembley.. In addition why did he send Storey out on loan when he did not have any strikers available for the bench. One bad decision you can live with, but this was an accumulation of errors that led to our downfall, despite the fact the starting 11 played very well last night and can not be faulted for their effort and a truly awful official who should be made to explain some of his decisions which were appalling. I would like to see Cooper man up and admit he got it wrong, but he won't, he always has an excuse and it's never his fault because of poor decision making. Rant over, time to move on and try to get through the remaining 15 games with 10 win, no yellow cards and injury free. COYR .[/p][/quote]Wasn't Cooper slated for playing a weaker team against Oldham in favour of the JPT? . Now people are complaining he played his first team and risked them ahead of the JPT!!!!!!![/p][/quote]LR, and your point is????????????.....I was there for Oldham and Colchester, doubt you made the trip for obvious reasons. However I think you've just emphasised the point many of the fans that do attend regularly, 1 point from 6 at home from games we should have been looking to take maximum is not good enough and quite frankly proves the point I tried to make he doesn't know what he's doing. I will be renewing my 4 season tickets, despite having no confidence that the present manager has the ability to take us a step further and get us into the Championship. I think his position is safe for the moment, because he meets Lee Powers needs for now, I still think he has acceptable coaching credentials, but a first team manager he is NOT. , As you seem to be defending him as damned if he does or damned if he doesn't maybe you can enlighten us as to whether in your opinion he is the right person to take us forward.[/p][/quote]My point is I'm fed up of the contridictions which keep coming from our fans . First Cooper is slated for resting Kasim - so he doesn't do that again with Thompson - and then is slated - WTF!!!! . It goes on and on too - the general thought we would be relegated - yet now we are 8th - fans still moan as we should be closer to the POs! . Squad is inbalanced and lacking quality - yet Cooper should be doing better with the squad we have! . We want the budget to be more but ticket prices to go down! . Make your minds up! . Do I think Cooper is perfect - No . Do I think he is the man to take us forward - Don't know Its far far far to early to tell . When Power said judge me after 5 years as to where he taken us not after 5 minutes - I listened and agree that is actually a sensible request . I fully understand that this year due to legacy costs in the squad and other restructuring we could not build the perfect squad - so the inconsitency should be expected while we have gaps - this year should highlight them and allow recruitment to be focussed on them - ie a new commading CB and a defensive midfielder with experience needed most . However, I've been plesently surprised with the investment made - so £700k in transfer fees was not expected at all! Remember most thought Power was simply going to asset strip us to line his own pockets! . I personally think the current core squad is a lot stronger than it was coming to the end of last season and once we see Williams, Navarro, Benson, Cox et al leave and free up a massive chunk of our wage bill (about a 5th at least!) we will see the squad dynamic improve no end . Therefore, I'm happy to see how our young management team develop alongside our young team next season . If however, our squad does dramtically improve (we won't know that until Oct/Nov really) and results are not matching it then maybe end of next year or the year after we ould have to think about changing Cooper . But that is some 50-100 games away - so for now lets see what lessons he is learning . We have Wolves, Brentofrd and Preston coming up at home - that will see if he has learnt from the Posh experience . We also have Notts C, Tranmere and Carlisle away - so perfect opportunities if lessons have been learnt from Stevenage and Gill etc . We IMO are now 6 points from safety - lets chalk them up as quickly as possible and then lets keep fighthing for the POs as long as possible . If that then turns out to be one step too far - then start looking to the future and bring back Storey and play him alongside Gladwin, Reckford et al to see if they are good enough London Red

10:02am Wed 19 Feb 14

Swindon1984 says...

London Red wrote:
old town robin wrote:
London Red wrote:
old town robin wrote:
chrystovski wrote: I don't normally criticise Cooper and up until this point I haven't felt the need to but I think he got it badly wrong in the 2nd half last night. Firstly we should never have sat so deep hoping one goal would be enough, with the firepower Boro have we were always going to need to score at least 2. We were trying to hold onto a one goal lead for 45 minutes, far too much respect was paid to them. A 2nd goal for us would have killed the tie and sometimes the best form of defence is attack. Secondly he should have made changes at the 60 minute mark. We started to look really tired quite early into the 2nd half as Posh began to take a stranglehold on the game but instead he waited and waited and waited until the inevitable happened, they scored and then he made 2 changes! You don't need to have coaching badges to work out that had been coming. Cannot fault the players effort they really did the club proud, penalties are a lottery so no blame attached to Mass or Tijane either, just wish it was us going to Wembley instead as I cannot see us going via the playoffs.
Chrystov, we did concede 75% of possession second half, but only for just over 1/2 an hour, after conceding we tried to get back in the last 10 minutes to how we played first half. but the momentum was gone as tired legs took their toll. As you say poor poor tactics, when we played them in the league we did exactly the same and sat back in the second half and I think most who were there for that game would agree we were lucky to get away with it. Ferguson is shrewd and read Coopers attempted tactics like a book which is not too hard to do for someone who lacks nous. Most managers make tactical substitutions around 65 minute. Cooper almost always waits until after 80 minutes, which as far as I can remember only worked once for him when Storey destroyed Coventry. In fairness last night I was not surprised he waited until so late to make changes because our bench was so weak with no recognised striker available. Our beautiful pitch is pretty cut up now having played 2 games in 3 days. Why we tried so hard to get the game played on Friday in hindsight was a bad decision, not only were the conditions as bad as I have ever seen football played in , the crowd number were well down and probably cost the club £30k in revenue and why oh why did Cooper risk playing Nat when he was on 9 yellows and our best player Ranger when he was so important to have for this cup game if we were serious with our intent to get to Wembley.. In addition why did he send Storey out on loan when he did not have any strikers available for the bench. One bad decision you can live with, but this was an accumulation of errors that led to our downfall, despite the fact the starting 11 played very well last night and can not be faulted for their effort and a truly awful official who should be made to explain some of his decisions which were appalling. I would like to see Cooper man up and admit he got it wrong, but he won't, he always has an excuse and it's never his fault because of poor decision making. Rant over, time to move on and try to get through the remaining 15 games with 10 win, no yellow cards and injury free. COYR .
Wasn't Cooper slated for playing a weaker team against Oldham in favour of the JPT? . Now people are complaining he played his first team and risked them ahead of the JPT!!!!!!!
LR, and your point is????????????.....I was there for Oldham and Colchester, doubt you made the trip for obvious reasons. However I think you've just emphasised the point many of the fans that do attend regularly, 1 point from 6 at home from games we should have been looking to take maximum is not good enough and quite frankly proves the point I tried to make he doesn't know what he's doing. I will be renewing my 4 season tickets, despite having no confidence that the present manager has the ability to take us a step further and get us into the Championship. I think his position is safe for the moment, because he meets Lee Powers needs for now, I still think he has acceptable coaching credentials, but a first team manager he is NOT. , As you seem to be defending him as damned if he does or damned if he doesn't maybe you can enlighten us as to whether in your opinion he is the right person to take us forward.
My point is I'm fed up of the contridictions which keep coming from our fans . First Cooper is slated for resting Kasim - so he doesn't do that again with Thompson - and then is slated - WTF!!!! . It goes on and on too - the general thought we would be relegated - yet now we are 8th - fans still moan as we should be closer to the POs! . Squad is inbalanced and lacking quality - yet Cooper should be doing better with the squad we have! . We want the budget to be more but ticket prices to go down! . Make your minds up! . Do I think Cooper is perfect - No . Do I think he is the man to take us forward - Don't know Its far far far to early to tell . When Power said judge me after 5 years as to where he taken us not after 5 minutes - I listened and agree that is actually a sensible request . I fully understand that this year due to legacy costs in the squad and other restructuring we could not build the perfect squad - so the inconsitency should be expected while we have gaps - this year should highlight them and allow recruitment to be focussed on them - ie a new commading CB and a defensive midfielder with experience needed most . However, I've been plesently surprised with the investment made - so £700k in transfer fees was not expected at all! Remember most thought Power was simply going to asset strip us to line his own pockets! . I personally think the current core squad is a lot stronger than it was coming to the end of last season and once we see Williams, Navarro, Benson, Cox et al leave and free up a massive chunk of our wage bill (about a 5th at least!) we will see the squad dynamic improve no end . Therefore, I'm happy to see how our young management team develop alongside our young team next season . If however, our squad does dramtically improve (we won't know that until Oct/Nov really) and results are not matching it then maybe end of next year or the year after we ould have to think about changing Cooper . But that is some 50-100 games away - so for now lets see what lessons he is learning . We have Wolves, Brentofrd and Preston coming up at home - that will see if he has learnt from the Posh experience . We also have Notts C, Tranmere and Carlisle away - so perfect opportunities if lessons have been learnt from Stevenage and Gill etc . We IMO are now 6 points from safety - lets chalk them up as quickly as possible and then lets keep fighthing for the POs as long as possible . If that then turns out to be one step too far - then start looking to the future and bring back Storey and play him alongside Gladwin, Reckford et al to see if they are good enough
With you on that, there are a lot of contradictions on here but contradictions are rife in football as a whole because long terms aims are being judged by short term results. There've been some crazy decisions at other clubs where a manager's presided over three or four defeats early in the season and gotten the sack - madness.

There's no real way to predict who's going to end where at this level of football - yes there are favourites based on club size, budget and previous years form and so on, but a lot of things can affect a season. Tranmere sat on top of the league last year (I think, can't remember, possibly year before) for long periods then threw it away. A team can get a bit of confidence and go on a great run of form, and an injury in the wrong area of the team could resign them to mid table. You just never know.

PDC didn't exactly set the world on fire with results early on, but you have to take into account a lot of new signings and new backroom staff. This is Cooper's first full season in charge, so if he can keep us where we were when he took over that's an achievement as far as I'm concerned. Judge him mid way through the second season, if by Christmas we're looking like relegation fodder than something has to give, but let's give Power and Cooper the opportunity to build a team for the future. Orient didn't do it overnight did they? A couple of years back they were mid table fodder. They've built a core team which has experience of playing with eachother (no giggling at the back) and are now reaping the benefits. Building a squad is the only way we're going to get out of this league, because we don't have the funds to quickly buy ourselves promotion like we did under PDC. Just a thought.
[quote][p][bold]London Red[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]old town robin[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]London Red[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]old town robin[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]chrystovski[/bold] wrote: I don't normally criticise Cooper and up until this point I haven't felt the need to but I think he got it badly wrong in the 2nd half last night. Firstly we should never have sat so deep hoping one goal would be enough, with the firepower Boro have we were always going to need to score at least 2. We were trying to hold onto a one goal lead for 45 minutes, far too much respect was paid to them. A 2nd goal for us would have killed the tie and sometimes the best form of defence is attack. Secondly he should have made changes at the 60 minute mark. We started to look really tired quite early into the 2nd half as Posh began to take a stranglehold on the game but instead he waited and waited and waited until the inevitable happened, they scored and then he made 2 changes! You don't need to have coaching badges to work out that had been coming. Cannot fault the players effort they really did the club proud, penalties are a lottery so no blame attached to Mass or Tijane either, just wish it was us going to Wembley instead as I cannot see us going via the playoffs.[/p][/quote]Chrystov, we did concede 75% of possession second half, but only for just over 1/2 an hour, after conceding we tried to get back in the last 10 minutes to how we played first half. but the momentum was gone as tired legs took their toll. As you say poor poor tactics, when we played them in the league we did exactly the same and sat back in the second half and I think most who were there for that game would agree we were lucky to get away with it. Ferguson is shrewd and read Coopers attempted tactics like a book which is not too hard to do for someone who lacks nous. Most managers make tactical substitutions around 65 minute. Cooper almost always waits until after 80 minutes, which as far as I can remember only worked once for him when Storey destroyed Coventry. In fairness last night I was not surprised he waited until so late to make changes because our bench was so weak with no recognised striker available. Our beautiful pitch is pretty cut up now having played 2 games in 3 days. Why we tried so hard to get the game played on Friday in hindsight was a bad decision, not only were the conditions as bad as I have ever seen football played in , the crowd number were well down and probably cost the club £30k in revenue and why oh why did Cooper risk playing Nat when he was on 9 yellows and our best player Ranger when he was so important to have for this cup game if we were serious with our intent to get to Wembley.. In addition why did he send Storey out on loan when he did not have any strikers available for the bench. One bad decision you can live with, but this was an accumulation of errors that led to our downfall, despite the fact the starting 11 played very well last night and can not be faulted for their effort and a truly awful official who should be made to explain some of his decisions which were appalling. I would like to see Cooper man up and admit he got it wrong, but he won't, he always has an excuse and it's never his fault because of poor decision making. Rant over, time to move on and try to get through the remaining 15 games with 10 win, no yellow cards and injury free. COYR .[/p][/quote]Wasn't Cooper slated for playing a weaker team against Oldham in favour of the JPT? . Now people are complaining he played his first team and risked them ahead of the JPT!!!!!!![/p][/quote]LR, and your point is????????????.....I was there for Oldham and Colchester, doubt you made the trip for obvious reasons. However I think you've just emphasised the point many of the fans that do attend regularly, 1 point from 6 at home from games we should have been looking to take maximum is not good enough and quite frankly proves the point I tried to make he doesn't know what he's doing. I will be renewing my 4 season tickets, despite having no confidence that the present manager has the ability to take us a step further and get us into the Championship. I think his position is safe for the moment, because he meets Lee Powers needs for now, I still think he has acceptable coaching credentials, but a first team manager he is NOT. , As you seem to be defending him as damned if he does or damned if he doesn't maybe you can enlighten us as to whether in your opinion he is the right person to take us forward.[/p][/quote]My point is I'm fed up of the contridictions which keep coming from our fans . First Cooper is slated for resting Kasim - so he doesn't do that again with Thompson - and then is slated - WTF!!!! . It goes on and on too - the general thought we would be relegated - yet now we are 8th - fans still moan as we should be closer to the POs! . Squad is inbalanced and lacking quality - yet Cooper should be doing better with the squad we have! . We want the budget to be more but ticket prices to go down! . Make your minds up! . Do I think Cooper is perfect - No . Do I think he is the man to take us forward - Don't know Its far far far to early to tell . When Power said judge me after 5 years as to where he taken us not after 5 minutes - I listened and agree that is actually a sensible request . I fully understand that this year due to legacy costs in the squad and other restructuring we could not build the perfect squad - so the inconsitency should be expected while we have gaps - this year should highlight them and allow recruitment to be focussed on them - ie a new commading CB and a defensive midfielder with experience needed most . However, I've been plesently surprised with the investment made - so £700k in transfer fees was not expected at all! Remember most thought Power was simply going to asset strip us to line his own pockets! . I personally think the current core squad is a lot stronger than it was coming to the end of last season and once we see Williams, Navarro, Benson, Cox et al leave and free up a massive chunk of our wage bill (about a 5th at least!) we will see the squad dynamic improve no end . Therefore, I'm happy to see how our young management team develop alongside our young team next season . If however, our squad does dramtically improve (we won't know that until Oct/Nov really) and results are not matching it then maybe end of next year or the year after we ould have to think about changing Cooper . But that is some 50-100 games away - so for now lets see what lessons he is learning . We have Wolves, Brentofrd and Preston coming up at home - that will see if he has learnt from the Posh experience . We also have Notts C, Tranmere and Carlisle away - so perfect opportunities if lessons have been learnt from Stevenage and Gill etc . We IMO are now 6 points from safety - lets chalk them up as quickly as possible and then lets keep fighthing for the POs as long as possible . If that then turns out to be one step too far - then start looking to the future and bring back Storey and play him alongside Gladwin, Reckford et al to see if they are good enough[/p][/quote]With you on that, there are a lot of contradictions on here but contradictions are rife in football as a whole because long terms aims are being judged by short term results. There've been some crazy decisions at other clubs where a manager's presided over three or four defeats early in the season and gotten the sack - madness. There's no real way to predict who's going to end where at this level of football - yes there are favourites based on club size, budget and previous years form and so on, but a lot of things can affect a season. Tranmere sat on top of the league last year (I think, can't remember, possibly year before) for long periods then threw it away. A team can get a bit of confidence and go on a great run of form, and an injury in the wrong area of the team could resign them to mid table. You just never know. PDC didn't exactly set the world on fire with results early on, but you have to take into account a lot of new signings and new backroom staff. This is Cooper's first full season in charge, so if he can keep us where we were when he took over that's an achievement as far as I'm concerned. Judge him mid way through the second season, if by Christmas we're looking like relegation fodder than something has to give, but let's give Power and Cooper the opportunity to build a team for the future. Orient didn't do it overnight did they? A couple of years back they were mid table fodder. They've built a core team which has experience of playing with eachother (no giggling at the back) and are now reaping the benefits. Building a squad is the only way we're going to get out of this league, because we don't have the funds to quickly buy ourselves promotion like we did under PDC. Just a thought. Swindon1984

10:08am Wed 19 Feb 14

Swindon1984 says...

Oxon-Red wrote:
old town robin wrote:
smirg kcab wrote:
Oxon-Red wrote:
smirg kcab wrote:
Oxon-Red wrote:
Cricklade Reds wrote:
Oxon-Red wrote: Couple of points: 1. Miles was loaned out before the injury to Nile when the striker shortage was not an issue. 2. In the last 10 minutes of the 1st half Posh were having a lot of success attacking down the right hand side. Second half they were nowhere near as successful in that area. Bad tactics to snuff out the very live threat they were posing ? COYMR
However Nile Ranger is in court next week and would not have been available. I really taken to Smith as the main striker however think Storey would be a lot better than Barker playing off him. In the supporters favourite 4-4-2.
Dany in court as well ? He played the target man role superbly last night and is available til the end of the season (or have I missed something). Miles is loaned fo a month, I hope he does well and returns with some experience under his belt. He is being talked of as if he is the Messiah (I'll avoid Monty Python) and he alone can save us. Big ask for a player I don't believe is ready yet. COYMR
Miles not ready to play upfront? So gladwin has experience to play and lead the attack before him?
Did I say that ? Gladwin was used purely for his height IMO it did not work but of course he is now being judged for playing 15 minutes out of position. Very sad. As I said in an earlier post, Miles was loaned before the injury to Ranger and he is not a target man. No injury, no shortage of strikers. For league matches we have two strikers that can now play that lead man role. But I forgot, Smith is Conference level because he struggled to control balls that were being blown around like a beach ball. I am amazed that people have so much faith in him when four managers have not really felt he is good enough to start regularly and one of those was managing in the Conference. It will be interesting too see if it becomes 5 managers. I want him to do well but I have seen him play well on two occasions and I just don't think he is ready yet. Nathan wasn't rushed and we are now reaping the rewards. COYMR
I haven't judged him on 15 mins. I said cooper could have ruined his career playing him in that position. Let's be fair cooper don't want ranger here didn't want dany here and don't want story here, because he's happy playing 1 or 0 upfront, also as someone else said why let a player take a pen when he hasn't had no game time thought he would have learned from that other one before him when storey missed at brentford. Ranger didn't look a conference player in windy conditions?. I also believe Nathan hasn't set the world alight this season. Do respect your opinion tho
summed it up well Grim, despite the opinions of some I think you know your football
I have watched a fair amount of football and I believe I have a good understanding of what it takes to be a successful club and from my experience the constant changing of managers is not the way forward. I am not suggesting that Mark is the answer but I really don't understand the "lose a game" change the manger attitude. Please, please, please, please, please tell us which current person that is not involved as a manager you want in charge at STFC Big question WHO, WHO is the very naughty boy that is going to be prepared to come to our club and take us where you optimistically believe we should be. Easy to sit there, like it is for me, to say you would not try to defend what you have, Ardillles did it week after week. Mourinho does it but Cooper, who he ? Come on put a name down, be a penalty taker. I watched the game last night and we were being slaughtered down the right hand side we went 4-5-1 and that threat disappeared until we made one mistake. One mistake, not by the manager, by a player. Please give me a name. Please don't take my rant tonight personally I am just very frustrated that posters call for someone to take the wrap for their disappointment but are unable to offer an alternative. It is easy to say or type "Cooper out" and "Power out" (took me 10 seconds) but IMO you need to have an idea of who will replace them.
Again agree with you in that "Cooper out" posters are doing a knee jerk thing - also that we nullified 'boro second half and the goal was one mistake that they capitalised on. Despite all their possession Peterborough never looked like scoring in that second half until we allowed them the opportunity, and in some ways that's been the story of our season - the majority of goals I've seen us concede have either been poor defending or have been individual embarassing errors where we gift wrapped the ball for the opposition.

All that aside, once we've had this team play together for a season I'm hoping they become a unit for next term, and a lot of the individual errors will cease. If nothing else it'll save my throat from shouting "man on!!"
[quote][p][bold]Oxon-Red[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]old town robin[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]smirg kcab[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Oxon-Red[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]smirg kcab[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Oxon-Red[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Cricklade Reds[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Oxon-Red[/bold] wrote: Couple of points: 1. Miles was loaned out before the injury to Nile when the striker shortage was not an issue. 2. In the last 10 minutes of the 1st half Posh were having a lot of success attacking down the right hand side. Second half they were nowhere near as successful in that area. Bad tactics to snuff out the very live threat they were posing ? COYMR[/p][/quote]However Nile Ranger is in court next week and would not have been available. I really taken to Smith as the main striker however think Storey would be a lot better than Barker playing off him. In the supporters favourite 4-4-2.[/p][/quote]Dany in court as well ? He played the target man role superbly last night and is available til the end of the season (or have I missed something). Miles is loaned fo a month, I hope he does well and returns with some experience under his belt. He is being talked of as if he is the Messiah (I'll avoid Monty Python) and he alone can save us. Big ask for a player I don't believe is ready yet. COYMR[/p][/quote]Miles not ready to play upfront? So gladwin has experience to play and lead the attack before him?[/p][/quote]Did I say that ? Gladwin was used purely for his height IMO it did not work but of course he is now being judged for playing 15 minutes out of position. Very sad. As I said in an earlier post, Miles was loaned before the injury to Ranger and he is not a target man. No injury, no shortage of strikers. For league matches we have two strikers that can now play that lead man role. But I forgot, Smith is Conference level because he struggled to control balls that were being blown around like a beach ball. I am amazed that people have so much faith in him when four managers have not really felt he is good enough to start regularly and one of those was managing in the Conference. It will be interesting too see if it becomes 5 managers. I want him to do well but I have seen him play well on two occasions and I just don't think he is ready yet. Nathan wasn't rushed and we are now reaping the rewards. COYMR[/p][/quote]I haven't judged him on 15 mins. I said cooper could have ruined his career playing him in that position. Let's be fair cooper don't want ranger here didn't want dany here and don't want story here, because he's happy playing 1 or 0 upfront, also as someone else said why let a player take a pen when he hasn't had no game time thought he would have learned from that other one before him when storey missed at brentford. Ranger didn't look a conference player in windy conditions?. I also believe Nathan hasn't set the world alight this season. Do respect your opinion tho[/p][/quote]summed it up well Grim, despite the opinions of some I think you know your football[/p][/quote]I have watched a fair amount of football and I believe I have a good understanding of what it takes to be a successful club and from my experience the constant changing of managers is not the way forward. I am not suggesting that Mark is the answer but I really don't understand the "lose a game" change the manger attitude. Please, please, please, please, please tell us which current person that is not involved as a manager you want in charge at STFC Big question WHO, WHO is the very naughty boy that is going to be prepared to come to our club and take us where you optimistically believe we should be. Easy to sit there, like it is for me, to say you would not try to defend what you have, Ardillles did it week after week. Mourinho does it but Cooper, who he ? Come on put a name down, be a penalty taker. I watched the game last night and we were being slaughtered down the right hand side we went 4-5-1 and that threat disappeared until we made one mistake. One mistake, not by the manager, by a player. Please give me a name. Please don't take my rant tonight personally I am just very frustrated that posters call for someone to take the wrap for their disappointment but are unable to offer an alternative. It is easy to say or type "Cooper out" and "Power out" (took me 10 seconds) but IMO you need to have an idea of who will replace them.[/p][/quote]Again agree with you in that "Cooper out" posters are doing a knee jerk thing - also that we nullified 'boro second half and the goal was one mistake that they capitalised on. Despite all their possession Peterborough never looked like scoring in that second half until we allowed them the opportunity, and in some ways that's been the story of our season - the majority of goals I've seen us concede have either been poor defending or have been individual embarassing errors where we gift wrapped the ball for the opposition. All that aside, once we've had this team play together for a season I'm hoping they become a unit for next term, and a lot of the individual errors will cease. If nothing else it'll save my throat from shouting "man on!!" Swindon1984

7:29pm Wed 19 Feb 14

subbuteoles says...

We are Pants. it,s ok mate. I was as gutted as you that we lost. I managed to get to the pub in time to watch the game on Sky Sports 1 with my son in Abingdon. Think all us fans would rather see us get into the Play Offs than win a **** Pot cup. Remember what happened 2 years ago when we lost out at Wembley. Could happen again and we could get promoted. CNYRs.
We are Pants. it,s ok mate. I was as gutted as you that we lost. I managed to get to the pub in time to watch the game on Sky Sports 1 with my son in Abingdon. Think all us fans would rather see us get into the Play Offs than win a **** Pot cup. Remember what happened 2 years ago when we lost out at Wembley. Could happen again and we could get promoted. CNYRs. subbuteoles

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