THE VIC MORGAN COLUMN: Lack of goals is a big worry

FESTIVE greetings to you.

This time next week we’ll be either on the way to or on the way back from Brentford, depending on when you read this.

Ah, Brentford - warm sunshine, a breathtaking game and abject misery.

Yes, I’m sure you remember it well.

As we stand at the moment, our team is just outside the play-off zone - a remarkable achievement from a side full of young players and with a manager working hard to prove himself at Football League level.

I think if you’d given any Town fan eighth place just before Christmas, then your hand may well have had several teeth indents in it. Can that place be maintained or even improved upon?

That has to be the big question in the latter stages of 2013. Saturday’s defeat at Bramall Lane gave cause for concern.

The lack of any potent strike force was evident.

With the Nile Ranger situation no clearer and the possible loss of Nicky Ajose in January, there is a worry that a lack of goals will be a major problem in the new year.

Obviously, we don’t know what plans, if any, there are to strengthen the squad.

What we do know is that money isn’t going to be thrown at it like in the past couple of seasons.

The games over the next couple of weeks will give us an indication of where we’ll be for the second half of the campaign.

Coventry, Brentford and Bradford provide real tests for players, several of whom won't have been through such a tough programme.

Here’s hoping that Santa is kind.

On the subject of last Saturday and the chanting by Town fans that's drawn criticism.

The game was dull, desperately dull.

For me the gallows humour of the terraces livened up an excruciating second half.

The support, as always, was there. It was fans doing what fans do, having a laugh.

There was no abuse, just a release of frustration.

After a long and expensive trip supporters are entitled to their opinion.

I'm sure the team wasn't upset and the same people will be at Brentford and Bradford proudly wearing red and white.

Let’s not take life so seriously, eh?

Sometimes you have to laugh at yourself.

Happy Christmas.

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7:23am Thu 19 Dec 13

The Jockster says...

Yes Vic us Sheffield sadists will be Brentford bound on Boxing Day hoping for a late Christmas present of three points but won't be counting any chickens and hoping we're not turkeys on the way home.
Yes Vic us Sheffield sadists will be Brentford bound on Boxing Day hoping for a late Christmas present of three points but won't be counting any chickens and hoping we're not turkeys on the way home. The Jockster

7:26am Thu 19 Dec 13

Since 1950 says...

Correct!
Correct! Since 1950

8:47am Thu 19 Dec 13

TheDukeOfBanbury says...

The Jockster wrote:
Yes Vic us Sheffield sadists will be Brentford bound on Boxing Day hoping for a late Christmas present of three points but won't be counting any chickens and hoping we're not turkeys on the way home.
Looking forward to Brentford and catching up with old friends Mike Sullivan and Mark Devlin..............
..and of course getting a result.

Happy Christmas Jockster.
[quote][p][bold]The Jockster[/bold] wrote: Yes Vic us Sheffield sadists will be Brentford bound on Boxing Day hoping for a late Christmas present of three points but won't be counting any chickens and hoping we're not turkeys on the way home.[/p][/quote]Looking forward to Brentford and catching up with old friends Mike Sullivan and Mark Devlin.............. ..and of course getting a result. Happy Christmas Jockster. TheDukeOfBanbury

9:15am Thu 19 Dec 13

mancrobin says...

Good, sound stuff as ever Vic.

I think the striker question is an interesting one. If it is decided to keep Ajose then it could be (at least statistically) argued that we. Have got two of the League's most productive goal scorers.

We've also had quite a few goals from midfield, particularly Llonguo and the spectacular from Pritchard. So form for the former and whether we can keep the latter will be key.

That just leaves variation and back up for me. Ranger's big strength is his ability to hold up the ball and bring others in to play. If he goes I do feel we need a big target man.

We also lack anyone who is prepared to attach from the channels, where Storey and Williams tried to operate. One of the reasons they both struggled is MC doesn't seem to use that approach. Might be worth him giving it a go in some games and see if Miles is ready for a comeback.


And of course, there's that young lad Jayden who has been knocking them in in the lower leagues.

Not all doom and gloom.
Good, sound stuff as ever Vic. I think the striker question is an interesting one. If it is decided to keep Ajose then it could be (at least statistically) argued that we. Have got two of the League's most productive goal scorers. We've also had quite a few goals from midfield, particularly Llonguo and the spectacular from Pritchard. So form for the former and whether we can keep the latter will be key. That just leaves variation and back up for me. Ranger's big strength is his ability to hold up the ball and bring others in to play. If he goes I do feel we need a big target man. We also lack anyone who is prepared to attach from the channels, where Storey and Williams tried to operate. One of the reasons they both struggled is MC doesn't seem to use that approach. Might be worth him giving it a go in some games and see if Miles is ready for a comeback. And of course, there's that young lad Jayden who has been knocking them in in the lower leagues. Not all doom and gloom. mancrobin

9:45am Thu 19 Dec 13

avo says...

I take it our tracking of Kidderminster defender Cheyenne Dunkley means that they won't be following up their interest in me!
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See if you can find out Vic, I'm only 7 years older than Wardy and I've still got it.
I take it our tracking of Kidderminster defender Cheyenne Dunkley means that they won't be following up their interest in me! . See if you can find out Vic, I'm only 7 years older than Wardy and I've still got it. avo

9:59am Thu 19 Dec 13

Wilesy says...

mancrobin wrote:
Good, sound stuff as ever Vic.

I think the striker question is an interesting one. If it is decided to keep Ajose then it could be (at least statistically) argued that we. Have got two of the League's most productive goal scorers.

We've also had quite a few goals from midfield, particularly Llonguo and the spectacular from Pritchard. So form for the former and whether we can keep the latter will be key.

That just leaves variation and back up for me. Ranger's big strength is his ability to hold up the ball and bring others in to play. If he goes I do feel we need a big target man.

We also lack anyone who is prepared to attach from the channels, where Storey and Williams tried to operate. One of the reasons they both struggled is MC doesn't seem to use that approach. Might be worth him giving it a go in some games and see if Miles is ready for a comeback.


And of course, there's that young lad Jayden who has been knocking them in in the lower leagues.

Not all doom and gloom.
Need to play strikers up front to get goals....

I think 4-4-2 is the only tactic MC hasn't tried. In an ideal world I would like to see us play Ajose and Ranger up front together but we don't really have the midfield to afford this. They would guarantee goals and Ajose in particular would score regularly. N'Guessan and Ajose next best option.

You would need 2 box to box type players like Ferry and Hollands to do that and imo none of our midfielders are as good as them in that role. Mason, Pritchard, Luongo, Kasim and Harley all better technically and creatively but either not fit enough or not inclined enough (maybe both) to play a 2 way game. Louis may be able to in time. I can vividly remember Ferry making 3 lung busting 90th minute lost cause runs in one game from last year - who would be able to do that now?
[quote][p][bold]mancrobin[/bold] wrote: Good, sound stuff as ever Vic. I think the striker question is an interesting one. If it is decided to keep Ajose then it could be (at least statistically) argued that we. Have got two of the League's most productive goal scorers. We've also had quite a few goals from midfield, particularly Llonguo and the spectacular from Pritchard. So form for the former and whether we can keep the latter will be key. That just leaves variation and back up for me. Ranger's big strength is his ability to hold up the ball and bring others in to play. If he goes I do feel we need a big target man. We also lack anyone who is prepared to attach from the channels, where Storey and Williams tried to operate. One of the reasons they both struggled is MC doesn't seem to use that approach. Might be worth him giving it a go in some games and see if Miles is ready for a comeback. And of course, there's that young lad Jayden who has been knocking them in in the lower leagues. Not all doom and gloom.[/p][/quote]Need to play strikers up front to get goals.... I think 4-4-2 is the only tactic MC hasn't tried. In an ideal world I would like to see us play Ajose and Ranger up front together but we don't really have the midfield to afford this. They would guarantee goals and Ajose in particular would score regularly. N'Guessan and Ajose next best option. You would need 2 box to box type players like Ferry and Hollands to do that and imo none of our midfielders are as good as them in that role. Mason, Pritchard, Luongo, Kasim and Harley all better technically and creatively but either not fit enough or not inclined enough (maybe both) to play a 2 way game. Louis may be able to in time. I can vividly remember Ferry making 3 lung busting 90th minute lost cause runs in one game from last year - who would be able to do that now? Wilesy

10:00am Thu 19 Dec 13

London Red says...

The difference this season to the past few is we are actually beating the "lesser" teams in the division instead of c0cking up promotion by drawing or losing to them - i.e Exeter at home in 09/10
.
So if we keep that going and pull off some more impressive results against the middle road teams (ala 4-0 at Rotherham) the PO's are a real possibility
.
I would therefore take 4 points from the next 3 games and be very happy.
.
Need to win on Sat as at home to one of the 6 teams I think we are fighting agsinst for the last PO spot - Top 5 are sealed all ready!

Wolves, Posh, Brentford and Preston to fight it out for Auto IMO - Oreint will fall away but are so far ahead they will not drop out the POs like Tranmere did
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I would then take a draw at Bradford as another of those 6 - but we are away - so the old fasion draw away and win at home should see us above them
.
Brentford however - while I don't want us to lose - a defeat is not the end of the world in this one
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We will not catch Brentford this year as above - so we won't "lose ground" on them
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The others we are fighting against ala Bradford, Rotherham, MK, Coventry, Walsall and Port Vale are just as likely to go there and lose too!
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Then we have a home game against Crawley which should deliver a win and the window is then open to makes some changes - Those changes for me are simply 1 CB possibly 1 CF (Ranger dependent) and 1 DCM - or a spine!
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Big CB needed as Ward is no longer as impressive as last year - I personally think it is a combination of being another year older and the change in system - but we need someone back there to dominate
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Adam El-Abd is my clear choice as one of the best L1 defenders I have seen for years and not playing at Brighton.
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If not Matt Taylor has not settled at Bradford and was lined up to replace Ward had he gone so why not look at him again - especially as he knows Troy and had a fantastic partnership with him in Exeter's decent L1 campaign
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If Ranger is finished here - then a big target man is a must. N'Guessan as we have seen is not the answer in that role - he is more a play off one or as a wide forward - so we have no one in that mold
.
Ajose - has scored some goals - but also missed a lot and not the right style for our system - I personally would free up cash by not extending loan and release El Gabas who has not made an impression
.
Storey and Jackson can come in as back up strikers to N'Guessan and Ranger/New Target Man - so we will still have 4
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Also Tijane back in Jan we should be fine out wide even if Pritchard does go (which I hope he doesn't)- but if he did we will still have N'Guessan, Byrne, Storey and Harley who can all operate out there with Tijane
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So there is no need for Ajose or El Gabbas really!
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If money is left over then a new DCM is needed as Kassim has dropped off. That doesn't mean he is finished as he is still young and learning
.
But to really push us over the line we could do with someone coming in and sitting in front of the back 4 to simply break things up and give it to Mason/Luongo/Harley to get us going again
The difference this season to the past few is we are actually beating the "lesser" teams in the division instead of c0cking up promotion by drawing or losing to them - i.e Exeter at home in 09/10 . So if we keep that going and pull off some more impressive results against the middle road teams (ala 4-0 at Rotherham) the PO's are a real possibility . I would therefore take 4 points from the next 3 games and be very happy. . Need to win on Sat as at home to one of the 6 teams I think we are fighting agsinst for the last PO spot - Top 5 are sealed all ready! Wolves, Posh, Brentford and Preston to fight it out for Auto IMO - Oreint will fall away but are so far ahead they will not drop out the POs like Tranmere did . I would then take a draw at Bradford as another of those 6 - but we are away - so the old fasion draw away and win at home should see us above them . Brentford however - while I don't want us to lose - a defeat is not the end of the world in this one . We will not catch Brentford this year as above - so we won't "lose ground" on them . The others we are fighting against ala Bradford, Rotherham, MK, Coventry, Walsall and Port Vale are just as likely to go there and lose too! . Then we have a home game against Crawley which should deliver a win and the window is then open to makes some changes - Those changes for me are simply 1 CB possibly 1 CF (Ranger dependent) and 1 DCM - or a spine! . Big CB needed as Ward is no longer as impressive as last year - I personally think it is a combination of being another year older and the change in system - but we need someone back there to dominate . Adam El-Abd is my clear choice as one of the best L1 defenders I have seen for years and not playing at Brighton. . If not Matt Taylor has not settled at Bradford and was lined up to replace Ward had he gone so why not look at him again - especially as he knows Troy and had a fantastic partnership with him in Exeter's decent L1 campaign . If Ranger is finished here - then a big target man is a must. N'Guessan as we have seen is not the answer in that role - he is more a play off one or as a wide forward - so we have no one in that mold . Ajose - has scored some goals - but also missed a lot and not the right style for our system - I personally would free up cash by not extending loan and release El Gabas who has not made an impression . Storey and Jackson can come in as back up strikers to N'Guessan and Ranger/New Target Man - so we will still have 4 . Also Tijane back in Jan we should be fine out wide even if Pritchard does go (which I hope he doesn't)- but if he did we will still have N'Guessan, Byrne, Storey and Harley who can all operate out there with Tijane . So there is no need for Ajose or El Gabbas really! . If money is left over then a new DCM is needed as Kassim has dropped off. That doesn't mean he is finished as he is still young and learning . But to really push us over the line we could do with someone coming in and sitting in front of the back 4 to simply break things up and give it to Mason/Luongo/Harley to get us going again London Red

11:06am Thu 19 Dec 13

Swindon1984 says...

Wilesy wrote:
mancrobin wrote: Good, sound stuff as ever Vic. I think the striker question is an interesting one. If it is decided to keep Ajose then it could be (at least statistically) argued that we. Have got two of the League's most productive goal scorers. We've also had quite a few goals from midfield, particularly Llonguo and the spectacular from Pritchard. So form for the former and whether we can keep the latter will be key. That just leaves variation and back up for me. Ranger's big strength is his ability to hold up the ball and bring others in to play. If he goes I do feel we need a big target man. We also lack anyone who is prepared to attach from the channels, where Storey and Williams tried to operate. One of the reasons they both struggled is MC doesn't seem to use that approach. Might be worth him giving it a go in some games and see if Miles is ready for a comeback. And of course, there's that young lad Jayden who has been knocking them in in the lower leagues. Not all doom and gloom.
Need to play strikers up front to get goals.... I think 4-4-2 is the only tactic MC hasn't tried. In an ideal world I would like to see us play Ajose and Ranger up front together but we don't really have the midfield to afford this. They would guarantee goals and Ajose in particular would score regularly. N'Guessan and Ajose next best option. You would need 2 box to box type players like Ferry and Hollands to do that and imo none of our midfielders are as good as them in that role. Mason, Pritchard, Luongo, Kasim and Harley all better technically and creatively but either not fit enough or not inclined enough (maybe both) to play a 2 way game. Louis may be able to in time. I can vividly remember Ferry making 3 lung busting 90th minute lost cause runs in one game from last year - who would be able to do that now?
Alan Macormack was also fantastic at that, have never seen a player run throuh the middle with complete confidence like he used to.
[quote][p][bold]Wilesy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mancrobin[/bold] wrote: Good, sound stuff as ever Vic. I think the striker question is an interesting one. If it is decided to keep Ajose then it could be (at least statistically) argued that we. Have got two of the League's most productive goal scorers. We've also had quite a few goals from midfield, particularly Llonguo and the spectacular from Pritchard. So form for the former and whether we can keep the latter will be key. That just leaves variation and back up for me. Ranger's big strength is his ability to hold up the ball and bring others in to play. If he goes I do feel we need a big target man. We also lack anyone who is prepared to attach from the channels, where Storey and Williams tried to operate. One of the reasons they both struggled is MC doesn't seem to use that approach. Might be worth him giving it a go in some games and see if Miles is ready for a comeback. And of course, there's that young lad Jayden who has been knocking them in in the lower leagues. Not all doom and gloom.[/p][/quote]Need to play strikers up front to get goals.... I think 4-4-2 is the only tactic MC hasn't tried. In an ideal world I would like to see us play Ajose and Ranger up front together but we don't really have the midfield to afford this. They would guarantee goals and Ajose in particular would score regularly. N'Guessan and Ajose next best option. You would need 2 box to box type players like Ferry and Hollands to do that and imo none of our midfielders are as good as them in that role. Mason, Pritchard, Luongo, Kasim and Harley all better technically and creatively but either not fit enough or not inclined enough (maybe both) to play a 2 way game. Louis may be able to in time. I can vividly remember Ferry making 3 lung busting 90th minute lost cause runs in one game from last year - who would be able to do that now?[/p][/quote]Alan Macormack was also fantastic at that, have never seen a player run throuh the middle with complete confidence like he used to. Swindon1984

12:22pm Thu 19 Dec 13

LionelHutz says...

I disagree with Vic, I think the fans' constant mickey-taking did reach through to the players and I think there's a world of difference between making those chants when we're only a goal down and, for instance, doing it when we're getting thrashed and the game is out of sight.

I will of course be at Brentford and Bradford in the hope of a better performance on and off the pitch.
I disagree with Vic, I think the fans' constant mickey-taking did reach through to the players and I think there's a world of difference between making those chants when we're only a goal down and, for instance, doing it when we're getting thrashed and the game is out of sight. I will of course be at Brentford and Bradford in the hope of a better performance on and off the pitch. LionelHutz

12:39pm Thu 19 Dec 13

The Jockster says...

LionelHutz wrote:
I disagree with Vic, I think the fans' constant mickey-taking did reach through to the players and I think there's a world of difference between making those chants when we're only a goal down and, for instance, doing it when we're getting thrashed and the game is out of sight.

I will of course be at Brentford and Bradford in the hope of a better performance on and off the pitch.
Disagree the game was all but lost anyway before any real chanting started and was borne out of sheer frustration and boredom- I'd hesitate to say or condone it but you might hear more of the same if the shot ratio of 5 - 3 on target is repeated against Cov on Saturday.
[quote][p][bold]LionelHutz[/bold] wrote: I disagree with Vic, I think the fans' constant mickey-taking did reach through to the players and I think there's a world of difference between making those chants when we're only a goal down and, for instance, doing it when we're getting thrashed and the game is out of sight. I will of course be at Brentford and Bradford in the hope of a better performance on and off the pitch.[/p][/quote]Disagree the game was all but lost anyway before any real chanting started and was borne out of sheer frustration and boredom- I'd hesitate to say or condone it but you might hear more of the same if the shot ratio of 5 - 3 on target is repeated against Cov on Saturday. The Jockster

12:39pm Thu 19 Dec 13

Wilesy says...

LionelHutz wrote:
I disagree with Vic, I think the fans' constant mickey-taking did reach through to the players and I think there's a world of difference between making those chants when we're only a goal down and, for instance, doing it when we're getting thrashed and the game is out of sight.

I will of course be at Brentford and Bradford in the hope of a better performance on and off the pitch.
Last season at MK Dons there was similar mickey-taking aimed at KMac about playing 4-4-2 instead of 4-5-1. I felt that was harsh but playing 4-6-0 cos the defence is a soft touch and the midfield don't track back really is not a good long-term tactic. Why should our loyal away fans just grin and bear it after paying out a lot of dosh to go and watch?
[quote][p][bold]LionelHutz[/bold] wrote: I disagree with Vic, I think the fans' constant mickey-taking did reach through to the players and I think there's a world of difference between making those chants when we're only a goal down and, for instance, doing it when we're getting thrashed and the game is out of sight. I will of course be at Brentford and Bradford in the hope of a better performance on and off the pitch.[/p][/quote]Last season at MK Dons there was similar mickey-taking aimed at KMac about playing 4-4-2 instead of 4-5-1. I felt that was harsh but playing 4-6-0 cos the defence is a soft touch and the midfield don't track back really is not a good long-term tactic. Why should our loyal away fans just grin and bear it after paying out a lot of dosh to go and watch? Wilesy

12:43pm Thu 19 Dec 13

The Jockster says...

TheDukeOfBanbury wrote:
The Jockster wrote:
Yes Vic us Sheffield sadists will be Brentford bound on Boxing Day hoping for a late Christmas present of three points but won't be counting any chickens and hoping we're not turkeys on the way home.
Looking forward to Brentford and catching up with old friends Mike Sullivan and Mark Devlin..............

..and of course getting a result.

Happy Christmas Jockster.
And compliments of the season to you Dukey boy. Didn't realise Sullivan and Devlin were at Brentford - used to work for Mike @ STFC in the days when I was responsible for programme distribution around the ground. Always came across as a decent guy- can't say I ever knew Devlin.
[quote][p][bold]TheDukeOfBanbury[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The Jockster[/bold] wrote: Yes Vic us Sheffield sadists will be Brentford bound on Boxing Day hoping for a late Christmas present of three points but won't be counting any chickens and hoping we're not turkeys on the way home.[/p][/quote]Looking forward to Brentford and catching up with old friends Mike Sullivan and Mark Devlin.............. ..and of course getting a result. Happy Christmas Jockster.[/p][/quote]And compliments of the season to you Dukey boy. Didn't realise Sullivan and Devlin were at Brentford - used to work for Mike @ STFC in the days when I was responsible for programme distribution around the ground. Always came across as a decent guy- can't say I ever knew Devlin. The Jockster

1:01pm Thu 19 Dec 13

smirg kcab says...

LionelHutz wrote:
I disagree with Vic, I think the fans' constant mickey-taking did reach through to the players and I think there's a world of difference between making those chants when we're only a goal down and, for instance, doing it when we're getting thrashed and the game is out of sight.

I will of course be at Brentford and Bradford in the hope of a better performance on and off the pitch.
They deserved everything they got, if we lose Saturday and play that pathetic 4-6-0 against brentford cooper will stand a cat in hells chance and will be quickly removed if he carries on the hart tactics, I'm surprised he has lasted this long. We got beat only by one goal Saturday as the same at wolves when every fan who paid watched a great town team who was unlucky to lose.
Every fan can express there feelings how ever they want.
[quote][p][bold]LionelHutz[/bold] wrote: I disagree with Vic, I think the fans' constant mickey-taking did reach through to the players and I think there's a world of difference between making those chants when we're only a goal down and, for instance, doing it when we're getting thrashed and the game is out of sight. I will of course be at Brentford and Bradford in the hope of a better performance on and off the pitch.[/p][/quote]They deserved everything they got, if we lose Saturday and play that pathetic 4-6-0 against brentford cooper will stand a cat in hells chance and will be quickly removed if he carries on the hart tactics, I'm surprised he has lasted this long. We got beat only by one goal Saturday as the same at wolves when every fan who paid watched a great town team who was unlucky to lose. Every fan can express there feelings how ever they want. smirg kcab

1:13pm Thu 19 Dec 13

LionelHutz says...

The Jockster wrote:
LionelHutz wrote:
I disagree with Vic, I think the fans' constant mickey-taking did reach through to the players and I think there's a world of difference between making those chants when we're only a goal down and, for instance, doing it when we're getting thrashed and the game is out of sight.

I will of course be at Brentford and Bradford in the hope of a better performance on and off the pitch.
Disagree the game was all but lost anyway before any real chanting started and was borne out of sheer frustration and boredom- I'd hesitate to say or condone it but you might hear more of the same if the shot ratio of 5 - 3 on target is repeated against Cov on Saturday.
How on Earth can you say the game is all but lost when we are only one down? I realise everyone is entitled to an opinion but this one is ludicrous.

It only takes a second to score a goal.
[quote][p][bold]The Jockster[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]LionelHutz[/bold] wrote: I disagree with Vic, I think the fans' constant mickey-taking did reach through to the players and I think there's a world of difference between making those chants when we're only a goal down and, for instance, doing it when we're getting thrashed and the game is out of sight. I will of course be at Brentford and Bradford in the hope of a better performance on and off the pitch.[/p][/quote]Disagree the game was all but lost anyway before any real chanting started and was borne out of sheer frustration and boredom- I'd hesitate to say or condone it but you might hear more of the same if the shot ratio of 5 - 3 on target is repeated against Cov on Saturday.[/p][/quote]How on Earth can you say the game is all but lost when we are only one down? I realise everyone is entitled to an opinion but this one is ludicrous. It only takes a second to score a goal. LionelHutz

1:14pm Thu 19 Dec 13

LionelHutz says...

smirg kcab wrote:
LionelHutz wrote:
I disagree with Vic, I think the fans' constant mickey-taking did reach through to the players and I think there's a world of difference between making those chants when we're only a goal down and, for instance, doing it when we're getting thrashed and the game is out of sight.

I will of course be at Brentford and Bradford in the hope of a better performance on and off the pitch.
They deserved everything they got, if we lose Saturday and play that pathetic 4-6-0 against brentford cooper will stand a cat in hells chance and will be quickly removed if he carries on the hart tactics, I'm surprised he has lasted this long. We got beat only by one goal Saturday as the same at wolves when every fan who paid watched a great town team who was unlucky to lose.
Every fan can express there feelings how ever they want.
Our current standing of 8th place in the league and in the area final of the JPT is more than anyone could have even begun to hope for before the season began. How anyone can call Cooper's future into question is beyond rational thought.
[quote][p][bold]smirg kcab[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]LionelHutz[/bold] wrote: I disagree with Vic, I think the fans' constant mickey-taking did reach through to the players and I think there's a world of difference between making those chants when we're only a goal down and, for instance, doing it when we're getting thrashed and the game is out of sight. I will of course be at Brentford and Bradford in the hope of a better performance on and off the pitch.[/p][/quote]They deserved everything they got, if we lose Saturday and play that pathetic 4-6-0 against brentford cooper will stand a cat in hells chance and will be quickly removed if he carries on the hart tactics, I'm surprised he has lasted this long. We got beat only by one goal Saturday as the same at wolves when every fan who paid watched a great town team who was unlucky to lose. Every fan can express there feelings how ever they want.[/p][/quote]Our current standing of 8th place in the league and in the area final of the JPT is more than anyone could have even begun to hope for before the season began. How anyone can call Cooper's future into question is beyond rational thought. LionelHutz

1:16pm Thu 19 Dec 13

TheDukeOfBanbury says...

London Red wrote:
The difference this season to the past few is we are actually beating the "lesser" teams in the division instead of c0cking up promotion by drawing or losing to them - i.e Exeter at home in 09/10
.
So if we keep that going and pull off some more impressive results against the middle road teams (ala 4-0 at Rotherham) the PO's are a real possibility
.
I would therefore take 4 points from the next 3 games and be very happy.
.
Need to win on Sat as at home to one of the 6 teams I think we are fighting agsinst for the last PO spot - Top 5 are sealed all ready!

Wolves, Posh, Brentford and Preston to fight it out for Auto IMO - Oreint will fall away but are so far ahead they will not drop out the POs like Tranmere did
.
I would then take a draw at Bradford as another of those 6 - but we are away - so the old fasion draw away and win at home should see us above them
.
Brentford however - while I don't want us to lose - a defeat is not the end of the world in this one
.
We will not catch Brentford this year as above - so we won't "lose ground" on them
.
The others we are fighting against ala Bradford, Rotherham, MK, Coventry, Walsall and Port Vale are just as likely to go there and lose too!
.
Then we have a home game against Crawley which should deliver a win and the window is then open to makes some changes - Those changes for me are simply 1 CB possibly 1 CF (Ranger dependent) and 1 DCM - or a spine!
.
Big CB needed as Ward is no longer as impressive as last year - I personally think it is a combination of being another year older and the change in system - but we need someone back there to dominate
.
Adam El-Abd is my clear choice as one of the best L1 defenders I have seen for years and not playing at Brighton.
.
If not Matt Taylor has not settled at Bradford and was lined up to replace Ward had he gone so why not look at him again - especially as he knows Troy and had a fantastic partnership with him in Exeter's decent L1 campaign
.
If Ranger is finished here - then a big target man is a must. N'Guessan as we have seen is not the answer in that role - he is more a play off one or as a wide forward - so we have no one in that mold
.
Ajose - has scored some goals - but also missed a lot and not the right style for our system - I personally would free up cash by not extending loan and release El Gabas who has not made an impression
.
Storey and Jackson can come in as back up strikers to N'Guessan and Ranger/New Target Man - so we will still have 4
.
Also Tijane back in Jan we should be fine out wide even if Pritchard does go (which I hope he doesn't)- but if he did we will still have N'Guessan, Byrne, Storey and Harley who can all operate out there with Tijane
.
So there is no need for Ajose or El Gabbas really!
.
If money is left over then a new DCM is needed as Kassim has dropped off. That doesn't mean he is finished as he is still young and learning
.
But to really push us over the line we could do with someone coming in and sitting in front of the back 4 to simply break things up and give it to Mason/Luongo/Harley to get us going again
No chance of play off's with an away record like ours.
[quote][p][bold]London Red[/bold] wrote: The difference this season to the past few is we are actually beating the "lesser" teams in the division instead of c0cking up promotion by drawing or losing to them - i.e Exeter at home in 09/10 . So if we keep that going and pull off some more impressive results against the middle road teams (ala 4-0 at Rotherham) the PO's are a real possibility . I would therefore take 4 points from the next 3 games and be very happy. . Need to win on Sat as at home to one of the 6 teams I think we are fighting agsinst for the last PO spot - Top 5 are sealed all ready! Wolves, Posh, Brentford and Preston to fight it out for Auto IMO - Oreint will fall away but are so far ahead they will not drop out the POs like Tranmere did . I would then take a draw at Bradford as another of those 6 - but we are away - so the old fasion draw away and win at home should see us above them . Brentford however - while I don't want us to lose - a defeat is not the end of the world in this one . We will not catch Brentford this year as above - so we won't "lose ground" on them . The others we are fighting against ala Bradford, Rotherham, MK, Coventry, Walsall and Port Vale are just as likely to go there and lose too! . Then we have a home game against Crawley which should deliver a win and the window is then open to makes some changes - Those changes for me are simply 1 CB possibly 1 CF (Ranger dependent) and 1 DCM - or a spine! . Big CB needed as Ward is no longer as impressive as last year - I personally think it is a combination of being another year older and the change in system - but we need someone back there to dominate . Adam El-Abd is my clear choice as one of the best L1 defenders I have seen for years and not playing at Brighton. . If not Matt Taylor has not settled at Bradford and was lined up to replace Ward had he gone so why not look at him again - especially as he knows Troy and had a fantastic partnership with him in Exeter's decent L1 campaign . If Ranger is finished here - then a big target man is a must. N'Guessan as we have seen is not the answer in that role - he is more a play off one or as a wide forward - so we have no one in that mold . Ajose - has scored some goals - but also missed a lot and not the right style for our system - I personally would free up cash by not extending loan and release El Gabas who has not made an impression . Storey and Jackson can come in as back up strikers to N'Guessan and Ranger/New Target Man - so we will still have 4 . Also Tijane back in Jan we should be fine out wide even if Pritchard does go (which I hope he doesn't)- but if he did we will still have N'Guessan, Byrne, Storey and Harley who can all operate out there with Tijane . So there is no need for Ajose or El Gabbas really! . If money is left over then a new DCM is needed as Kassim has dropped off. That doesn't mean he is finished as he is still young and learning . But to really push us over the line we could do with someone coming in and sitting in front of the back 4 to simply break things up and give it to Mason/Luongo/Harley to get us going again[/p][/quote]No chance of play off's with an away record like ours. TheDukeOfBanbury

1:27pm Thu 19 Dec 13

RamsburyRed says...

London Red wrote:
The difference this season to the past few is we are actually beating the "lesser" teams in the division instead of c0cking up promotion by drawing or losing to them - i.e Exeter at home in 09/10 . So if we keep that going and pull off some more impressive results against the middle road teams (ala 4-0 at Rotherham) the PO's are a real possibility . I would therefore take 4 points from the next 3 games and be very happy. . Need to win on Sat as at home to one of the 6 teams I think we are fighting agsinst for the last PO spot - Top 5 are sealed all ready! Wolves, Posh, Brentford and Preston to fight it out for Auto IMO - Oreint will fall away but are so far ahead they will not drop out the POs like Tranmere did . I would then take a draw at Bradford as another of those 6 - but we are away - so the old fasion draw away and win at home should see us above them . Brentford however - while I don't want us to lose - a defeat is not the end of the world in this one . We will not catch Brentford this year as above - so we won't "lose ground" on them . The others we are fighting against ala Bradford, Rotherham, MK, Coventry, Walsall and Port Vale are just as likely to go there and lose too! . Then we have a home game against Crawley which should deliver a win and the window is then open to makes some changes - Those changes for me are simply 1 CB possibly 1 CF (Ranger dependent) and 1 DCM - or a spine! . Big CB needed as Ward is no longer as impressive as last year - I personally think it is a combination of being another year older and the change in system - but we need someone back there to dominate . Adam El-Abd is my clear choice as one of the best L1 defenders I have seen for years and not playing at Brighton. . If not Matt Taylor has not settled at Bradford and was lined up to replace Ward had he gone so why not look at him again - especially as he knows Troy and had a fantastic partnership with him in Exeter's decent L1 campaign . If Ranger is finished here - then a big target man is a must. N'Guessan as we have seen is not the answer in that role - he is more a play off one or as a wide forward - so we have no one in that mold . Ajose - has scored some goals - but also missed a lot and not the right style for our system - I personally would free up cash by not extending loan and release El Gabas who has not made an impression . Storey and Jackson can come in as back up strikers to N'Guessan and Ranger/New Target Man - so we will still have 4 . Also Tijane back in Jan we should be fine out wide even if Pritchard does go (which I hope he doesn't)- but if he did we will still have N'Guessan, Byrne, Storey and Harley who can all operate out there with Tijane . So there is no need for Ajose or El Gabbas really! . If money is left over then a new DCM is needed as Kassim has dropped off. That doesn't mean he is finished as he is still young and learning . But to really push us over the line we could do with someone coming in and sitting in front of the back 4 to simply break things up and give it to Mason/Luongo/Harley to get us going again
Good, that's all sorted then. No need to actually get onto the pitch and play any matches.
[quote][p][bold]London Red[/bold] wrote: The difference this season to the past few is we are actually beating the "lesser" teams in the division instead of c0cking up promotion by drawing or losing to them - i.e Exeter at home in 09/10 . So if we keep that going and pull off some more impressive results against the middle road teams (ala 4-0 at Rotherham) the PO's are a real possibility . I would therefore take 4 points from the next 3 games and be very happy. . Need to win on Sat as at home to one of the 6 teams I think we are fighting agsinst for the last PO spot - Top 5 are sealed all ready! Wolves, Posh, Brentford and Preston to fight it out for Auto IMO - Oreint will fall away but are so far ahead they will not drop out the POs like Tranmere did . I would then take a draw at Bradford as another of those 6 - but we are away - so the old fasion draw away and win at home should see us above them . Brentford however - while I don't want us to lose - a defeat is not the end of the world in this one . We will not catch Brentford this year as above - so we won't "lose ground" on them . The others we are fighting against ala Bradford, Rotherham, MK, Coventry, Walsall and Port Vale are just as likely to go there and lose too! . Then we have a home game against Crawley which should deliver a win and the window is then open to makes some changes - Those changes for me are simply 1 CB possibly 1 CF (Ranger dependent) and 1 DCM - or a spine! . Big CB needed as Ward is no longer as impressive as last year - I personally think it is a combination of being another year older and the change in system - but we need someone back there to dominate . Adam El-Abd is my clear choice as one of the best L1 defenders I have seen for years and not playing at Brighton. . If not Matt Taylor has not settled at Bradford and was lined up to replace Ward had he gone so why not look at him again - especially as he knows Troy and had a fantastic partnership with him in Exeter's decent L1 campaign . If Ranger is finished here - then a big target man is a must. N'Guessan as we have seen is not the answer in that role - he is more a play off one or as a wide forward - so we have no one in that mold . Ajose - has scored some goals - but also missed a lot and not the right style for our system - I personally would free up cash by not extending loan and release El Gabas who has not made an impression . Storey and Jackson can come in as back up strikers to N'Guessan and Ranger/New Target Man - so we will still have 4 . Also Tijane back in Jan we should be fine out wide even if Pritchard does go (which I hope he doesn't)- but if he did we will still have N'Guessan, Byrne, Storey and Harley who can all operate out there with Tijane . So there is no need for Ajose or El Gabbas really! . If money is left over then a new DCM is needed as Kassim has dropped off. That doesn't mean he is finished as he is still young and learning . But to really push us over the line we could do with someone coming in and sitting in front of the back 4 to simply break things up and give it to Mason/Luongo/Harley to get us going again[/p][/quote]Good, that's all sorted then. No need to actually get onto the pitch and play any matches. RamsburyRed

1:55pm Thu 19 Dec 13

The Jockster says...

LionelHutz wrote:
The Jockster wrote:
LionelHutz wrote:
I disagree with Vic, I think the fans' constant mickey-taking did reach through to the players and I think there's a world of difference between making those chants when we're only a goal down and, for instance, doing it when we're getting thrashed and the game is out of sight.

I will of course be at Brentford and Bradford in the hope of a better performance on and off the pitch.
Disagree the game was all but lost anyway before any real chanting started and was borne out of sheer frustration and boredom- I'd hesitate to say or condone it but you might hear more of the same if the shot ratio of 5 - 3 on target is repeated against Cov on Saturday.
How on Earth can you say the game is all but lost when we are only one down? I realise everyone is entitled to an opinion but this one is ludicrous.

It only takes a second to score a goal.
Agree Lionel it does only take a second to score the trouble the way we were playing we still wouldn't have afore by now even it was that bad and thefNs knew it simple as that.
[quote][p][bold]LionelHutz[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The Jockster[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]LionelHutz[/bold] wrote: I disagree with Vic, I think the fans' constant mickey-taking did reach through to the players and I think there's a world of difference between making those chants when we're only a goal down and, for instance, doing it when we're getting thrashed and the game is out of sight. I will of course be at Brentford and Bradford in the hope of a better performance on and off the pitch.[/p][/quote]Disagree the game was all but lost anyway before any real chanting started and was borne out of sheer frustration and boredom- I'd hesitate to say or condone it but you might hear more of the same if the shot ratio of 5 - 3 on target is repeated against Cov on Saturday.[/p][/quote]How on Earth can you say the game is all but lost when we are only one down? I realise everyone is entitled to an opinion but this one is ludicrous. It only takes a second to score a goal.[/p][/quote]Agree Lionel it does only take a second to score the trouble the way we were playing we still wouldn't have afore by now even it was that bad and thefNs knew it simple as that. The Jockster

1:55pm Thu 19 Dec 13

The Jockster says...

LionelHutz wrote:
The Jockster wrote:
LionelHutz wrote:
I disagree with Vic, I think the fans' constant mickey-taking did reach through to the players and I think there's a world of difference between making those chants when we're only a goal down and, for instance, doing it when we're getting thrashed and the game is out of sight.

I will of course be at Brentford and Bradford in the hope of a better performance on and off the pitch.
Disagree the game was all but lost anyway before any real chanting started and was borne out of sheer frustration and boredom- I'd hesitate to say or condone it but you might hear more of the same if the shot ratio of 5 - 3 on target is repeated against Cov on Saturday.
How on Earth can you say the game is all but lost when we are only one down? I realise everyone is entitled to an opinion but this one is ludicrous.

It only takes a second to score a goal.
Agree Lionel it does only take a second to score the trouble the way we were playing we still wouldn't have afore by now even it was that bad and thefNs knew it simple as that.
[quote][p][bold]LionelHutz[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The Jockster[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]LionelHutz[/bold] wrote: I disagree with Vic, I think the fans' constant mickey-taking did reach through to the players and I think there's a world of difference between making those chants when we're only a goal down and, for instance, doing it when we're getting thrashed and the game is out of sight. I will of course be at Brentford and Bradford in the hope of a better performance on and off the pitch.[/p][/quote]Disagree the game was all but lost anyway before any real chanting started and was borne out of sheer frustration and boredom- I'd hesitate to say or condone it but you might hear more of the same if the shot ratio of 5 - 3 on target is repeated against Cov on Saturday.[/p][/quote]How on Earth can you say the game is all but lost when we are only one down? I realise everyone is entitled to an opinion but this one is ludicrous. It only takes a second to score a goal.[/p][/quote]Agree Lionel it does only take a second to score the trouble the way we were playing we still wouldn't have afore by now even it was that bad and thefNs knew it simple as that. The Jockster

2:43pm Thu 19 Dec 13

London Red says...

TheDukeOfBanbury wrote:
London Red wrote: The difference this season to the past few is we are actually beating the "lesser" teams in the division instead of c0cking up promotion by drawing or losing to them - i.e Exeter at home in 09/10 . So if we keep that going and pull off some more impressive results against the middle road teams (ala 4-0 at Rotherham) the PO's are a real possibility . I would therefore take 4 points from the next 3 games and be very happy. . Need to win on Sat as at home to one of the 6 teams I think we are fighting agsinst for the last PO spot - Top 5 are sealed all ready! Wolves, Posh, Brentford and Preston to fight it out for Auto IMO - Oreint will fall away but are so far ahead they will not drop out the POs like Tranmere did . I would then take a draw at Bradford as another of those 6 - but we are away - so the old fasion draw away and win at home should see us above them . Brentford however - while I don't want us to lose - a defeat is not the end of the world in this one . We will not catch Brentford this year as above - so we won't "lose ground" on them . The others we are fighting against ala Bradford, Rotherham, MK, Coventry, Walsall and Port Vale are just as likely to go there and lose too! . Then we have a home game against Crawley which should deliver a win and the window is then open to makes some changes - Those changes for me are simply 1 CB possibly 1 CF (Ranger dependent) and 1 DCM - or a spine! . Big CB needed as Ward is no longer as impressive as last year - I personally think it is a combination of being another year older and the change in system - but we need someone back there to dominate . Adam El-Abd is my clear choice as one of the best L1 defenders I have seen for years and not playing at Brighton. . If not Matt Taylor has not settled at Bradford and was lined up to replace Ward had he gone so why not look at him again - especially as he knows Troy and had a fantastic partnership with him in Exeter's decent L1 campaign . If Ranger is finished here - then a big target man is a must. N'Guessan as we have seen is not the answer in that role - he is more a play off one or as a wide forward - so we have no one in that mold . Ajose - has scored some goals - but also missed a lot and not the right style for our system - I personally would free up cash by not extending loan and release El Gabas who has not made an impression . Storey and Jackson can come in as back up strikers to N'Guessan and Ranger/New Target Man - so we will still have 4 . Also Tijane back in Jan we should be fine out wide even if Pritchard does go (which I hope he doesn't)- but if he did we will still have N'Guessan, Byrne, Storey and Harley who can all operate out there with Tijane . So there is no need for Ajose or El Gabbas really! . If money is left over then a new DCM is needed as Kassim has dropped off. That doesn't mean he is finished as he is still young and learning . But to really push us over the line we could do with someone coming in and sitting in front of the back 4 to simply break things up and give it to Mason/Luongo/Harley to get us going again
No chance of play off's with an away record like ours.
You say that - but even with our shocking away record we are still 8th and only 4 points from 6th having travelled to 4 of the top 6!
.
So as we travel to more of the "lesser" teams in 2014 we should see our away form inprove and if we can maintain our home form then 6th is a real possibility
.
The others we are competing against are hardly flying and are just as inconsistent as us - so that spot is certainly up for grabs
.
Wierd league this year that there are 5 stand out teams way ahead followed by a group of 7 or 8 who are all evenly matched and could all easily finish 6th or 12th!
[quote][p][bold]TheDukeOfBanbury[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]London Red[/bold] wrote: The difference this season to the past few is we are actually beating the "lesser" teams in the division instead of c0cking up promotion by drawing or losing to them - i.e Exeter at home in 09/10 . So if we keep that going and pull off some more impressive results against the middle road teams (ala 4-0 at Rotherham) the PO's are a real possibility . I would therefore take 4 points from the next 3 games and be very happy. . Need to win on Sat as at home to one of the 6 teams I think we are fighting agsinst for the last PO spot - Top 5 are sealed all ready! Wolves, Posh, Brentford and Preston to fight it out for Auto IMO - Oreint will fall away but are so far ahead they will not drop out the POs like Tranmere did . I would then take a draw at Bradford as another of those 6 - but we are away - so the old fasion draw away and win at home should see us above them . Brentford however - while I don't want us to lose - a defeat is not the end of the world in this one . We will not catch Brentford this year as above - so we won't "lose ground" on them . The others we are fighting against ala Bradford, Rotherham, MK, Coventry, Walsall and Port Vale are just as likely to go there and lose too! . Then we have a home game against Crawley which should deliver a win and the window is then open to makes some changes - Those changes for me are simply 1 CB possibly 1 CF (Ranger dependent) and 1 DCM - or a spine! . Big CB needed as Ward is no longer as impressive as last year - I personally think it is a combination of being another year older and the change in system - but we need someone back there to dominate . Adam El-Abd is my clear choice as one of the best L1 defenders I have seen for years and not playing at Brighton. . If not Matt Taylor has not settled at Bradford and was lined up to replace Ward had he gone so why not look at him again - especially as he knows Troy and had a fantastic partnership with him in Exeter's decent L1 campaign . If Ranger is finished here - then a big target man is a must. N'Guessan as we have seen is not the answer in that role - he is more a play off one or as a wide forward - so we have no one in that mold . Ajose - has scored some goals - but also missed a lot and not the right style for our system - I personally would free up cash by not extending loan and release El Gabas who has not made an impression . Storey and Jackson can come in as back up strikers to N'Guessan and Ranger/New Target Man - so we will still have 4 . Also Tijane back in Jan we should be fine out wide even if Pritchard does go (which I hope he doesn't)- but if he did we will still have N'Guessan, Byrne, Storey and Harley who can all operate out there with Tijane . So there is no need for Ajose or El Gabbas really! . If money is left over then a new DCM is needed as Kassim has dropped off. That doesn't mean he is finished as he is still young and learning . But to really push us over the line we could do with someone coming in and sitting in front of the back 4 to simply break things up and give it to Mason/Luongo/Harley to get us going again[/p][/quote]No chance of play off's with an away record like ours.[/p][/quote]You say that - but even with our shocking away record we are still 8th and only 4 points from 6th having travelled to 4 of the top 6! . So as we travel to more of the "lesser" teams in 2014 we should see our away form inprove and if we can maintain our home form then 6th is a real possibility . The others we are competing against are hardly flying and are just as inconsistent as us - so that spot is certainly up for grabs . Wierd league this year that there are 5 stand out teams way ahead followed by a group of 7 or 8 who are all evenly matched and could all easily finish 6th or 12th! London Red

2:45pm Thu 19 Dec 13

mancrobin says...

Wilesy, you're right, you can have all the strikers in the world but not much good if not played. Don't want to be too critical of MC as it was clear he needed a more defensive set up for away games. A key part of that should be the striker or strikers either pulling opposition players away, holding up the ball closing them down at the back etc. Sheffield U did it extremely well with their 2 front lads.

Agree with you about Hollands but not so sure about Ferry. Always thought Ferry drifted in and out of games, energetic yes, but rarely imposing himself. His big Achilles though was that he was cr@p in front of goal.

Hollands, who I thought was distinctly average at first turned out to be just the anchorman, play maker we are certainly missing at times now. Not sure I'm as enthusiastic as '84 about McCormack in that role but he was also good, for me always more effective at centre back.

We thought we'd found someone in Kasim to trump both. I guess now we're not so sure.
Wilesy, you're right, you can have all the strikers in the world but not much good if not played. Don't want to be too critical of MC as it was clear he needed a more defensive set up for away games. A key part of that should be the striker or strikers either pulling opposition players away, holding up the ball closing them down at the back etc. Sheffield U did it extremely well with their 2 front lads. Agree with you about Hollands but not so sure about Ferry. Always thought Ferry drifted in and out of games, energetic yes, but rarely imposing himself. His big Achilles though was that he was cr@p in front of goal. Hollands, who I thought was distinctly average at first turned out to be just the anchorman, play maker we are certainly missing at times now. Not sure I'm as enthusiastic as '84 about McCormack in that role but he was also good, for me always more effective at centre back. We thought we'd found someone in Kasim to trump both. I guess now we're not so sure. mancrobin

3:38pm Thu 19 Dec 13

Oi Den! says...

smirg kcab wrote:
LionelHutz wrote:
I disagree with Vic, I think the fans' constant mickey-taking did reach through to the players and I think there's a world of difference between making those chants when we're only a goal down and, for instance, doing it when we're getting thrashed and the game is out of sight.

I will of course be at Brentford and Bradford in the hope of a better performance on and off the pitch.
They deserved everything they got, if we lose Saturday and play that pathetic 4-6-0 against brentford cooper will stand a cat in hells chance and will be quickly removed if he carries on the hart tactics, I'm surprised he has lasted this long. We got beat only by one goal Saturday as the same at wolves when every fan who paid watched a great town team who was unlucky to lose.
Every fan can express there feelings how ever they want.
Grim, I usually think your posts are spot on but you've got me puzzled here. Only a few weeks ago it was "the future's Cooper" wasn't it? Why the big U turn?

The reason Cooper's using Hart-type tactics is obvious - he's got a Hart-type squad. We're weak at the back, weak in midfield and, without Ranger, weak up front. Even the goalkeeper has his dodgy moments. The club's current philosophy doesn't permit a long ball game, which might give us a bit of a breather occasionally, so the only option is safety in numbers. It's what weak teams have to do. If Cooper could somehow make 3 superb signings to sort out our weaknesses, I'm convinced we'd see far more ambitious football than we're getting at the moment.

I sympathise with everyone who had to suffer that obviously dire performance last week but I don't think too many would have been chuffed if we'd gone to Bramall Lane, thrown caution to the wind and gone down 4 or 5 nil. People say Sheff U were there for the taking. The trouble is - and Cooper knows it - we just get picked off if we go for it away from home.

If we don't improve the squad, we'll finish closer to relegation than promotion.

Cooper still has my full support. He'll have it until the day he gets a decent squad and fails to succeed with it.

By the way, I loved the chips gag. Best post on here for ages.
[quote][p][bold]smirg kcab[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]LionelHutz[/bold] wrote: I disagree with Vic, I think the fans' constant mickey-taking did reach through to the players and I think there's a world of difference between making those chants when we're only a goal down and, for instance, doing it when we're getting thrashed and the game is out of sight. I will of course be at Brentford and Bradford in the hope of a better performance on and off the pitch.[/p][/quote]They deserved everything they got, if we lose Saturday and play that pathetic 4-6-0 against brentford cooper will stand a cat in hells chance and will be quickly removed if he carries on the hart tactics, I'm surprised he has lasted this long. We got beat only by one goal Saturday as the same at wolves when every fan who paid watched a great town team who was unlucky to lose. Every fan can express there feelings how ever they want.[/p][/quote]Grim, I usually think your posts are spot on but you've got me puzzled here. Only a few weeks ago it was "the future's Cooper" wasn't it? Why the big U turn? The reason Cooper's using Hart-type tactics is obvious - he's got a Hart-type squad. We're weak at the back, weak in midfield and, without Ranger, weak up front. Even the goalkeeper has his dodgy moments. The club's current philosophy doesn't permit a long ball game, which might give us a bit of a breather occasionally, so the only option is safety in numbers. It's what weak teams have to do. If Cooper could somehow make 3 superb signings to sort out our weaknesses, I'm convinced we'd see far more ambitious football than we're getting at the moment. I sympathise with everyone who had to suffer that obviously dire performance last week but I don't think too many would have been chuffed if we'd gone to Bramall Lane, thrown caution to the wind and gone down 4 or 5 nil. People say Sheff U were there for the taking. The trouble is - and Cooper knows it - we just get picked off if we go for it away from home. If we don't improve the squad, we'll finish closer to relegation than promotion. Cooper still has my full support. He'll have it until the day he gets a decent squad and fails to succeed with it. By the way, I loved the chips gag. Best post on here for ages. Oi Den!

4:35pm Thu 19 Dec 13

smirg kcab says...

Oi Den! wrote:
smirg kcab wrote:
LionelHutz wrote:
I disagree with Vic, I think the fans' constant mickey-taking did reach through to the players and I think there's a world of difference between making those chants when we're only a goal down and, for instance, doing it when we're getting thrashed and the game is out of sight.

I will of course be at Brentford and Bradford in the hope of a better performance on and off the pitch.
They deserved everything they got, if we lose Saturday and play that pathetic 4-6-0 against brentford cooper will stand a cat in hells chance and will be quickly removed if he carries on the hart tactics, I'm surprised he has lasted this long. We got beat only by one goal Saturday as the same at wolves when every fan who paid watched a great town team who was unlucky to lose.
Every fan can express there feelings how ever they want.
Grim, I usually think your posts are spot on but you've got me puzzled here. Only a few weeks ago it was "the future's Cooper" wasn't it? Why the big U turn?

The reason Cooper's using Hart-type tactics is obvious - he's got a Hart-type squad. We're weak at the back, weak in midfield and, without Ranger, weak up front. Even the goalkeeper has his dodgy moments. The club's current philosophy doesn't permit a long ball game, which might give us a bit of a breather occasionally, so the only option is safety in numbers. It's what weak teams have to do. If Cooper could somehow make 3 superb signings to sort out our weaknesses, I'm convinced we'd see far more ambitious football than we're getting at the moment.

I sympathise with everyone who had to suffer that obviously dire performance last week but I don't think too many would have been chuffed if we'd gone to Bramall Lane, thrown caution to the wind and gone down 4 or 5 nil. People say Sheff U were there for the taking. The trouble is - and Cooper knows it - we just get picked off if we go for it away from home.

If we don't improve the squad, we'll finish closer to relegation than promotion.

Cooper still has my full support. He'll have it until the day he gets a decent squad and fails to succeed with it.

By the way, I loved the chips gag. Best post on here for ages.
It's not a u turn by me, it was the response playing against a useless side as Sheffield was.
I'm just telling you a poor performance Saturday and a 4-6-0 at brentford will send the Natives into overdrive,
By the way I'm not going to watch away again.
You say we don't have forwards well I thing that ajose and Danny are a handful and the later didn't deserve to be dropped.
Cooper moaned about the big players not performing have we any?
Apart from those two woeful defenders this so called genius kasim hasn't exactly set the world on fire lately. Pritchards a poor mans Ritchie, l tommo never stands out, also I still believe cooper needs points quick so he must play ranger you can replace twaats but not quality, after all everyone wanted caddis back who did exactly the same thing.
Merry crimbo den
[quote][p][bold]Oi Den![/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]smirg kcab[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]LionelHutz[/bold] wrote: I disagree with Vic, I think the fans' constant mickey-taking did reach through to the players and I think there's a world of difference between making those chants when we're only a goal down and, for instance, doing it when we're getting thrashed and the game is out of sight. I will of course be at Brentford and Bradford in the hope of a better performance on and off the pitch.[/p][/quote]They deserved everything they got, if we lose Saturday and play that pathetic 4-6-0 against brentford cooper will stand a cat in hells chance and will be quickly removed if he carries on the hart tactics, I'm surprised he has lasted this long. We got beat only by one goal Saturday as the same at wolves when every fan who paid watched a great town team who was unlucky to lose. Every fan can express there feelings how ever they want.[/p][/quote]Grim, I usually think your posts are spot on but you've got me puzzled here. Only a few weeks ago it was "the future's Cooper" wasn't it? Why the big U turn? The reason Cooper's using Hart-type tactics is obvious - he's got a Hart-type squad. We're weak at the back, weak in midfield and, without Ranger, weak up front. Even the goalkeeper has his dodgy moments. The club's current philosophy doesn't permit a long ball game, which might give us a bit of a breather occasionally, so the only option is safety in numbers. It's what weak teams have to do. If Cooper could somehow make 3 superb signings to sort out our weaknesses, I'm convinced we'd see far more ambitious football than we're getting at the moment. I sympathise with everyone who had to suffer that obviously dire performance last week but I don't think too many would have been chuffed if we'd gone to Bramall Lane, thrown caution to the wind and gone down 4 or 5 nil. People say Sheff U were there for the taking. The trouble is - and Cooper knows it - we just get picked off if we go for it away from home. If we don't improve the squad, we'll finish closer to relegation than promotion. Cooper still has my full support. He'll have it until the day he gets a decent squad and fails to succeed with it. By the way, I loved the chips gag. Best post on here for ages.[/p][/quote]It's not a u turn by me, it was the response playing against a useless side as Sheffield was. I'm just telling you a poor performance Saturday and a 4-6-0 at brentford will send the Natives into overdrive, By the way I'm not going to watch away again. You say we don't have forwards well I thing that ajose and Danny are a handful and the later didn't deserve to be dropped. Cooper moaned about the big players not performing have we any? Apart from those two woeful defenders this so called genius kasim hasn't exactly set the world on fire lately. Pritchards a poor mans Ritchie, l tommo never stands out, also I still believe cooper needs points quick so he must play ranger you can replace twaats but not quality, after all everyone wanted caddis back who did exactly the same thing. Merry crimbo den smirg kcab

5:17pm Thu 19 Dec 13

Oi Den! says...

Same to you Grim.

I agree with you on most of that. I like N'Guessan and at the moment think he should be one of the first names on the teamsheet. If Ranger could bring himself to his senses, a 4-4-2 with those two up front would be our best bet. But I don't believe Power/Sherwood will allow Cooper to play 4-4-2. It's "old fashioned" now.

I come back to the same point though. Whatever formation we use, we just don't have enough desire or strength of character in the team. You make a very good point about big players or "better players", as Cooper called them. They are only big and better if they play with heart. With one or two exceptions, that's what's missing. We have too many players who excel when things are going well and disappear when they're not.

I expect Coventry to turn us over on Saturday and Clarke to give our central defenders a torrid time.

Disagree on the Ranger/Caddis comparison. Caddis was generally regarded as a model pro and still is. He had one fall out with PDC - just like Clarke did - and PDC trumped it up to get him out of the club. Ranger is a completely different kettle of fish. He's made a career out of disrespecting his clubs, his managers and his teammates - and now he's done it several times here. As good as he is, I don't think he should play for us unless and until he earns his place by knuckling down and working for it.
Same to you Grim. I agree with you on most of that. I like N'Guessan and at the moment think he should be one of the first names on the teamsheet. If Ranger could bring himself to his senses, a 4-4-2 with those two up front would be our best bet. But I don't believe Power/Sherwood will allow Cooper to play 4-4-2. It's "old fashioned" now. I come back to the same point though. Whatever formation we use, we just don't have enough desire or strength of character in the team. You make a very good point about big players or "better players", as Cooper called them. They are only big and better if they play with heart. With one or two exceptions, that's what's missing. We have too many players who excel when things are going well and disappear when they're not. I expect Coventry to turn us over on Saturday and Clarke to give our central defenders a torrid time. Disagree on the Ranger/Caddis comparison. Caddis was generally regarded as a model pro and still is. He had one fall out with PDC - just like Clarke did - and PDC trumped it up to get him out of the club. Ranger is a completely different kettle of fish. He's made a career out of disrespecting his clubs, his managers and his teammates - and now he's done it several times here. As good as he is, I don't think he should play for us unless and until he earns his place by knuckling down and working for it. Oi Den!

6:52pm Thu 19 Dec 13

smirg kcab says...

Oi Den! wrote:
Same to you Grim.

I agree with you on most of that. I like N'Guessan and at the moment think he should be one of the first names on the teamsheet. If Ranger could bring himself to his senses, a 4-4-2 with those two up front would be our best bet. But I don't believe Power/Sherwood will allow Cooper to play 4-4-2. It's "old fashioned" now.

I come back to the same point though. Whatever formation we use, we just don't have enough desire or strength of character in the team. You make a very good point about big players or "better players", as Cooper called them. They are only big and better if they play with heart. With one or two exceptions, that's what's missing. We have too many players who excel when things are going well and disappear when they're not.

I expect Coventry to turn us over on Saturday and Clarke to give our central defenders a torrid time.

Disagree on the Ranger/Caddis comparison. Caddis was generally regarded as a model pro and still is. He had one fall out with PDC - just like Clarke did - and PDC trumped it up to get him out of the club. Ranger is a completely different kettle of fish. He's made a career out of disrespecting his clubs, his managers and his teammates - and now he's done it several times here. As good as he is, I don't think he should play for us unless and until he earns his place by knuckling down and working for it.
Good points den, don't agree we will get turned over we could win this 4/3 5/4
I thought we had the desire at wolves and found ourselves very unlucky to get beat, I'm sure we was and still are the best team they have played this season,
I don't mind getting beat I.e Walsall as they battered us, I think coopers problems is he don't watch sides(perhaps I'm wrong, but don't think so)
Should be a good game Saturday keep the faith
[quote][p][bold]Oi Den![/bold] wrote: Same to you Grim. I agree with you on most of that. I like N'Guessan and at the moment think he should be one of the first names on the teamsheet. If Ranger could bring himself to his senses, a 4-4-2 with those two up front would be our best bet. But I don't believe Power/Sherwood will allow Cooper to play 4-4-2. It's "old fashioned" now. I come back to the same point though. Whatever formation we use, we just don't have enough desire or strength of character in the team. You make a very good point about big players or "better players", as Cooper called them. They are only big and better if they play with heart. With one or two exceptions, that's what's missing. We have too many players who excel when things are going well and disappear when they're not. I expect Coventry to turn us over on Saturday and Clarke to give our central defenders a torrid time. Disagree on the Ranger/Caddis comparison. Caddis was generally regarded as a model pro and still is. He had one fall out with PDC - just like Clarke did - and PDC trumped it up to get him out of the club. Ranger is a completely different kettle of fish. He's made a career out of disrespecting his clubs, his managers and his teammates - and now he's done it several times here. As good as he is, I don't think he should play for us unless and until he earns his place by knuckling down and working for it.[/p][/quote]Good points den, don't agree we will get turned over we could win this 4/3 5/4 I thought we had the desire at wolves and found ourselves very unlucky to get beat, I'm sure we was and still are the best team they have played this season, I don't mind getting beat I.e Walsall as they battered us, I think coopers problems is he don't watch sides(perhaps I'm wrong, but don't think so) Should be a good game Saturday keep the faith smirg kcab

11:40pm Thu 19 Dec 13

London Red says...

Is that the same Sherwood who played 442 last night?
Is that the same Sherwood who played 442 last night? London Red

6:56am Fri 20 Dec 13

Oi Den! says...

Aha! Good spot LR. Maybe it was the AVB factor I was thinking about!
Aha! Good spot LR. Maybe it was the AVB factor I was thinking about! Oi Den!

5:27pm Fri 20 Dec 13

smirg kcab says...

Oi Den! wrote:
smirg kcab wrote:
LionelHutz wrote:
I disagree with Vic, I think the fans' constant mickey-taking did reach through to the players and I think there's a world of difference between making those chants when we're only a goal down and, for instance, doing it when we're getting thrashed and the game is out of sight.

I will of course be at Brentford and Bradford in the hope of a better performance on and off the pitch.
They deserved everything they got, if we lose Saturday and play that pathetic 4-6-0 against brentford cooper will stand a cat in hells chance and will be quickly removed if he carries on the hart tactics, I'm surprised he has lasted this long. We got beat only by one goal Saturday as the same at wolves when every fan who paid watched a great town team who was unlucky to lose.
Every fan can express there feelings how ever they want.
Grim, I usually think your posts are spot on but you've got me puzzled here. Only a few weeks ago it was "the future's Cooper" wasn't it? Why the big U turn?

The reason Cooper's using Hart-type tactics is obvious - he's got a Hart-type squad. We're weak at the back, weak in midfield and, without Ranger, weak up front. Even the goalkeeper has his dodgy moments. The club's current philosophy doesn't permit a long ball game, which might give us a bit of a breather occasionally, so the only option is safety in numbers. It's what weak teams have to do. If Cooper could somehow make 3 superb signings to sort out our weaknesses, I'm convinced we'd see far more ambitious football than we're getting at the moment.

I sympathise with everyone who had to suffer that obviously dire performance last week but I don't think too many would have been chuffed if we'd gone to Bramall Lane, thrown caution to the wind and gone down 4 or 5 nil. People say Sheff U were there for the taking. The trouble is - and Cooper knows it - we just get picked off if we go for it away from home.

If we don't improve the squad, we'll finish closer to relegation than promotion.

Cooper still has my full support. He'll have it until the day he gets a decent squad and fails to succeed with it.

By the way, I loved the chips gag. Best post on here for ages.
Den I still think he's done a great job with his hands tied.
Saying that town fans pay a lot of money to go away including myself and we expect at least a couple of shots at the goal, surely that's what the game is about. Sheffield was so poor Saturday like they were against Cambridge so to end up the wrong end of the league we must at least try to get something.
As I said a defeat Saturday and a 4-4-0 against brentford the natives will be gunning for him. By the way i am refusing to go to brentford based on that shambles.
I take it you never went? It was the worst two teams I've seen, so the fans had every right to take the pee out of those pathetic tactics.
We exept we will lose but it's the manner.
Coopers on a hidding at brentford mark my word.dint forget we also now only play 45 mins at home.
His formation away will be his downfall I'm sad to say.
He has my backing at home anyway
Merry crimbo den
[quote][p][bold]Oi Den![/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]smirg kcab[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]LionelHutz[/bold] wrote: I disagree with Vic, I think the fans' constant mickey-taking did reach through to the players and I think there's a world of difference between making those chants when we're only a goal down and, for instance, doing it when we're getting thrashed and the game is out of sight. I will of course be at Brentford and Bradford in the hope of a better performance on and off the pitch.[/p][/quote]They deserved everything they got, if we lose Saturday and play that pathetic 4-6-0 against brentford cooper will stand a cat in hells chance and will be quickly removed if he carries on the hart tactics, I'm surprised he has lasted this long. We got beat only by one goal Saturday as the same at wolves when every fan who paid watched a great town team who was unlucky to lose. Every fan can express there feelings how ever they want.[/p][/quote]Grim, I usually think your posts are spot on but you've got me puzzled here. Only a few weeks ago it was "the future's Cooper" wasn't it? Why the big U turn? The reason Cooper's using Hart-type tactics is obvious - he's got a Hart-type squad. We're weak at the back, weak in midfield and, without Ranger, weak up front. Even the goalkeeper has his dodgy moments. The club's current philosophy doesn't permit a long ball game, which might give us a bit of a breather occasionally, so the only option is safety in numbers. It's what weak teams have to do. If Cooper could somehow make 3 superb signings to sort out our weaknesses, I'm convinced we'd see far more ambitious football than we're getting at the moment. I sympathise with everyone who had to suffer that obviously dire performance last week but I don't think too many would have been chuffed if we'd gone to Bramall Lane, thrown caution to the wind and gone down 4 or 5 nil. People say Sheff U were there for the taking. The trouble is - and Cooper knows it - we just get picked off if we go for it away from home. If we don't improve the squad, we'll finish closer to relegation than promotion. Cooper still has my full support. He'll have it until the day he gets a decent squad and fails to succeed with it. By the way, I loved the chips gag. Best post on here for ages.[/p][/quote]Den I still think he's done a great job with his hands tied. Saying that town fans pay a lot of money to go away including myself and we expect at least a couple of shots at the goal, surely that's what the game is about. Sheffield was so poor Saturday like they were against Cambridge so to end up the wrong end of the league we must at least try to get something. As I said a defeat Saturday and a 4-4-0 against brentford the natives will be gunning for him. By the way i am refusing to go to brentford based on that shambles. I take it you never went? It was the worst two teams I've seen, so the fans had every right to take the pee out of those pathetic tactics. We exept we will lose but it's the manner. Coopers on a hidding at brentford mark my word.dint forget we also now only play 45 mins at home. His formation away will be his downfall I'm sad to say. He has my backing at home anyway Merry crimbo den smirg kcab

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