SWINDON TOWN: Stick or twist?

The Wiltshire Gazette and Herald: Town boss Paolo Di Canio Town boss Paolo Di Canio

SWINDON boss Paolo Di Canio still has room in his budget for one more signing after a busy day of transfer business at the County Ground.

The Italian unveiled Charlton midfielder Danny Hollands and Norwich striker Chris Martin as the newest members of his squad yesterday, following a frustrating spell where the club’s transfer embargo prevented him from adding to his injury-hit squad.

But there was also a departure as Paul Benson made a temporary switch to Portsmouth, and the striker’s move as well as Luke Rooney’s loan to Rotherham last week has given the Town boss money to play with.

“For this we decided in this way because with Benson and Rooney out, even if they pay a bit and not everything, it can help us to have space to bring in another player,” said Di Canio.

“At the moment I know what position I want, but now it is more difficult because the few that were proposed to me in the last few days are players that don’t give me extra quality, and I prefer to play with my players because they know what I want.

“They believe fully in my regime and I don’t need to bring in players just to bring them in.

“I am waiting, if there is an opportunity to bring in a player in the area I need like Hollands or Martin, with the quality.

“Otherwise I will stay with my players.”

In an ideal world Di Canio would have liked to have kept hold of Benson, but the Italian needed to free up money to strengthen other areas of the side.

“In the past I wanted to keep everyone because all of them were different, but we couldn’t for the reason I have said before," he said.

“I decided for him although it is obvious we are going to miss a man who challenges more in the air, but the way we play now we are going to play more directly and in a manner you can see all through the middle and in the channel, so if I had to sacrifice one player, Paul was one.

“I received two requests for him and I didn’t even say one to him because in my opinion it wasn’t fair. League Two, a long way from Swindon.

“But Portsmouth is League One and a big club and he can remain with his family and go up and down and play football with a chance to maybe win another contract.

“This is why I sacrificed one, otherwise I would keep Paul, but we can’t at the moment.”

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6:30am Fri 16 Nov 12

robstfc says...

Fair play Paolo and its so nice to see you considering the family needs of Paul B too....
Really looking forwrpard to seeing the new signings tomorrow, both should be straight in the team for sure....
Fair play Paolo and its so nice to see you considering the family needs of Paul B too.... Really looking forwrpard to seeing the new signings tomorrow, both should be straight in the team for sure.... robstfc
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6:31am Fri 16 Nov 12

robstfc says...

Fair play Paolo and its so nice to see you considering the family needs of Paul B too....
Really looking forwrpard to seeing the new signings tomorrow, both should be straight in the team for sure....
Fair play Paolo and its so nice to see you considering the family needs of Paul B too.... Really looking forwrpard to seeing the new signings tomorrow, both should be straight in the team for sure.... robstfc
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6:31am Fri 16 Nov 12

robstfc says...

Fair play Paolo and its so nice to see you considering the family needs of Paul B too....
Really looking forwrpard to seeing the new signings tomorrow, both should be straight in the team for sure....
Fair play Paolo and its so nice to see you considering the family needs of Paul B too.... Really looking forwrpard to seeing the new signings tomorrow, both should be straight in the team for sure.... robstfc
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6:32am Fri 16 Nov 12

robstfc says...

Fair play Paolo and its so nice to see you considering the family needs of Paul B too....
Really looking forwrpard to seeing the new signings tomorrow, both should be straight in the team for sure....
Fair play Paolo and its so nice to see you considering the family needs of Paul B too.... Really looking forwrpard to seeing the new signings tomorrow, both should be straight in the team for sure.... robstfc
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6:32am Fri 16 Nov 12

robstfc says...

Fair play Paolo and its so nice to see you considering the family needs of Paul B too....
Really looking forwrpard to seeing the new signings tomorrow, both should be straight in the team for sure....
Fair play Paolo and its so nice to see you considering the family needs of Paul B too.... Really looking forwrpard to seeing the new signings tomorrow, both should be straight in the team for sure.... robstfc
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6:34am Fri 16 Nov 12

Swindon1984 says...

So as some including me thought, Venson had to go to allow the budget for Martin's arrival. Far too many jumping on initial story yesterday and slagging off the decision without knowing why it happened. Now we know.
So as some including me thought, Venson had to go to allow the budget for Martin's arrival. Far too many jumping on initial story yesterday and slagging off the decision without knowing why it happened. Now we know. Swindon1984
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6:35am Fri 16 Nov 12

Swindon1984 says...

So as some including me thought, Venson had to go to allow the budget for Martin's arrival. Far too many jumping on initial story yesterday and slagging off the decision without knowing why it happened. Now we know.
So as some including me thought, Venson had to go to allow the budget for Martin's arrival. Far too many jumping on initial story yesterday and slagging off the decision without knowing why it happened. Now we know. Swindon1984
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6:37am Fri 16 Nov 12

Swindon1984 says...

So as some including me thought, Venson had to go to allow the budget for Martin's arrival. Far too many jumping on initial story yesterday and slagging off the decision without knowing why it happened. Now we know.
So as some including me thought, Venson had to go to allow the budget for Martin's arrival. Far too many jumping on initial story yesterday and slagging off the decision without knowing why it happened. Now we know. Swindon1984
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6:55am Fri 16 Nov 12

DarrenSTFCRomain says...

So does this men if we sign another player were all but out of budget again
So does this men if we sign another player were all but out of budget again DarrenSTFCRomain
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7:14am Fri 16 Nov 12

35yrRED says...

DarrenSTFCRomain wrote:
So does this men if we sign another player were all but out of budget again
Probably, but with the improved quality that PDC wanted and with others on their way back from injury. Should be all good Darren. Both the new signings could potentially become permanent in January and both certainly have the quality for the Championship so spending now could potentially save later. Looking forward to tomorrow!!!
[quote][p][bold]DarrenSTFCRomain[/bold] wrote: So does this men if we sign another player were all but out of budget again[/p][/quote]Probably, but with the improved quality that PDC wanted and with others on their way back from injury. Should be all good Darren. Both the new signings could potentially become permanent in January and both certainly have the quality for the Championship so spending now could potentially save later. Looking forward to tomorrow!!! 35yrRED
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7:14am Fri 16 Nov 12

Haydonender says...

Sounds like the money is burning a hole in Paolo's pocket but don't think we need another signing currently. Two quality lads in yesterday who will really add something to the team but we don't want to be bringing someone else in for the sake of it.

Might as well save it for emergencies, future injuries etc or we'll end up in the same situation down the line where the board need to put more money in and take months to do so.
Sounds like the money is burning a hole in Paolo's pocket but don't think we need another signing currently. Two quality lads in yesterday who will really add something to the team but we don't want to be bringing someone else in for the sake of it. Might as well save it for emergencies, future injuries etc or we'll end up in the same situation down the line where the board need to put more money in and take months to do so. Haydonender
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7:15am Fri 16 Nov 12

robstfc says...

Sorry for repeat posts.... That was the site not me :)
Sorry for repeat posts.... That was the site not me :) robstfc
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8:07am Fri 16 Nov 12

London Red says...

I say stick - the changes have freshened us up and added extra quality and options - so lets see how this goes
.
We have had a few back already (Williams and Bostock) and others will follow shortly (Macca and Flint) - so I feel we are now fine numbers and quality - ie we have 3 pro CM and Thopmson in reserve rather than just Ferry!!!
.
Lets hold on to the cash until Jan - then with a few other potentiL moves we may have more to play with
.
I.e. we are probably still paying a portion of Cox Risser Rooney and Benson's wages - but if they were to move on we would free up that extra portion
.
That could possibly mean 2 players could come in during Jan
.
Plus if we get some money for Austin we could make them big money signings to really push us on
.
4 massive games coming up in the next 6 with 3 at home - by Xmas we could be really well placed!
I say stick - the changes have freshened us up and added extra quality and options - so lets see how this goes . We have had a few back already (Williams and Bostock) and others will follow shortly (Macca and Flint) - so I feel we are now fine numbers and quality - ie we have 3 pro CM and Thopmson in reserve rather than just Ferry!!! . Lets hold on to the cash until Jan - then with a few other potentiL moves we may have more to play with . I.e. we are probably still paying a portion of Cox Risser Rooney and Benson's wages - but if they were to move on we would free up that extra portion . That could possibly mean 2 players could come in during Jan . Plus if we get some money for Austin we could make them big money signings to really push us on . 4 massive games coming up in the next 6 with 3 at home - by Xmas we could be really well placed! London Red
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8:56am Fri 16 Nov 12

Rebel_phish says...

So Andy Wiliams and now Chris Martin up front.

Surely, we are becoming the the Club That Rocks
So Andy Wiliams and now Chris Martin up front. Surely, we are becoming the the Club That Rocks Rebel_phish
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8:58am Fri 16 Nov 12

tifosi says...

London Red wrote:
I say stick - the changes have freshened us up and added extra quality and options - so lets see how this goes
.
We have had a few back already (Williams and Bostock) and others will follow shortly (Macca and Flint) - so I feel we are now fine numbers and quality - ie we have 3 pro CM and Thopmson in reserve rather than just Ferry!!!
.
Lets hold on to the cash until Jan - then with a few other potentiL moves we may have more to play with
.
I.e. we are probably still paying a portion of Cox Risser Rooney and Benson's wages - but if they were to move on we would free up that extra portion
.
That could possibly mean 2 players could come in during Jan
.
Plus if we get some money for Austin we could make them big money signings to really push us on
.
4 massive games coming up in the next 6 with 3 at home - by Xmas we could be really well placed!
So what's the situation with Austin? If he is sold from Burnley how will that benefit stfc exactly?
[quote][p][bold]London Red[/bold] wrote: I say stick - the changes have freshened us up and added extra quality and options - so lets see how this goes . We have had a few back already (Williams and Bostock) and others will follow shortly (Macca and Flint) - so I feel we are now fine numbers and quality - ie we have 3 pro CM and Thopmson in reserve rather than just Ferry!!! . Lets hold on to the cash until Jan - then with a few other potentiL moves we may have more to play with . I.e. we are probably still paying a portion of Cox Risser Rooney and Benson's wages - but if they were to move on we would free up that extra portion . That could possibly mean 2 players could come in during Jan . Plus if we get some money for Austin we could make them big money signings to really push us on . 4 massive games coming up in the next 6 with 3 at home - by Xmas we could be really well placed![/p][/quote]So what's the situation with Austin? If he is sold from Burnley how will that benefit stfc exactly? tifosi
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9:00am Fri 16 Nov 12

London Red says...

I see it as with the extra cash made available by the board and sending out Rooney and Benson PdC has enough to sign 3 loanees and remain under the £4.5m budget
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It doesn't say if we signed 2 more we would go over 65% - just budget - our 65% limit might be £5m now for all we know as the amount of equity put in was not released
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I'm pretty certain the board would have not made it that £4.5m was our absolute max - as they will want to avoid that type of situation again
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I guess if we did get into another injury crisis they would want the option to say - yes you can spend more - something they didn't have this time
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This shows he is learning as like he said in the past he would have simply signed another player or held on to Benson - but is not doing this anymore
I see it as with the extra cash made available by the board and sending out Rooney and Benson PdC has enough to sign 3 loanees and remain under the £4.5m budget . It doesn't say if we signed 2 more we would go over 65% - just budget - our 65% limit might be £5m now for all we know as the amount of equity put in was not released . I'm pretty certain the board would have not made it that £4.5m was our absolute max - as they will want to avoid that type of situation again . I guess if we did get into another injury crisis they would want the option to say - yes you can spend more - something they didn't have this time . This shows he is learning as like he said in the past he would have simply signed another player or held on to Benson - but is not doing this anymore London Red
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9:10am Fri 16 Nov 12

BillyLucas4me says...

Club that rocks? Against that the way we are spending we will be the club 'on the rocks' with nothing for January.
Club that rocks? Against that the way we are spending we will be the club 'on the rocks' with nothing for January. BillyLucas4me
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9:29am Fri 16 Nov 12

hornet says...

Am I missing something I was under the impression that emergency loans outside the transfer window were to cover Injurys ect short term . 1 striker and 1 midfielder out , 1 striker and 1 midfielder in wheres the emergency
Am I missing something I was under the impression that emergency loans outside the transfer window were to cover Injurys ect short term . 1 striker and 1 midfielder out , 1 striker and 1 midfielder in wheres the emergency hornet
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9:57am Fri 16 Nov 12

EastleazeRed says...

tifosi wrote:
London Red wrote:
I say stick - the changes have freshened us up and added extra quality and options - so lets see how this goes
.
We have had a few back already (Williams and Bostock) and others will follow shortly (Macca and Flint) - so I feel we are now fine numbers and quality - ie we have 3 pro CM and Thopmson in reserve rather than just Ferry!!!
.
Lets hold on to the cash until Jan - then with a few other potentiL moves we may have more to play with
.
I.e. we are probably still paying a portion of Cox Risser Rooney and Benson's wages - but if they were to move on we would free up that extra portion
.
That could possibly mean 2 players could come in during Jan
.
Plus if we get some money for Austin we could make them big money signings to really push us on
.
4 massive games coming up in the next 6 with 3 at home - by Xmas we could be really well placed!
So what's the situation with Austin? If he is sold from Burnley how will that benefit stfc exactly?
The club wont say exactly what % the sell on fee is for obvious reasons , but have hinted between 10/20 % . Burnley have valued him between 8/10 million so we've gotta be looking around then 1 million mark give or take a few quid.
[quote][p][bold]tifosi[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]London Red[/bold] wrote: I say stick - the changes have freshened us up and added extra quality and options - so lets see how this goes . We have had a few back already (Williams and Bostock) and others will follow shortly (Macca and Flint) - so I feel we are now fine numbers and quality - ie we have 3 pro CM and Thopmson in reserve rather than just Ferry!!! . Lets hold on to the cash until Jan - then with a few other potentiL moves we may have more to play with . I.e. we are probably still paying a portion of Cox Risser Rooney and Benson's wages - but if they were to move on we would free up that extra portion . That could possibly mean 2 players could come in during Jan . Plus if we get some money for Austin we could make them big money signings to really push us on . 4 massive games coming up in the next 6 with 3 at home - by Xmas we could be really well placed![/p][/quote]So what's the situation with Austin? If he is sold from Burnley how will that benefit stfc exactly?[/p][/quote]The club wont say exactly what % the sell on fee is for obvious reasons , but have hinted between 10/20 % . Burnley have valued him between 8/10 million so we've gotta be looking around then 1 million mark give or take a few quid. EastleazeRed
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10:24am Fri 16 Nov 12

umpcah says...

EastleazeRed wrote:
tifosi wrote:
London Red wrote:
I say stick - the changes have freshened us up and added extra quality and options - so lets see how this goes
.
We have had a few back already (Williams and Bostock) and others will follow shortly (Macca and Flint) - so I feel we are now fine numbers and quality - ie we have 3 pro CM and Thopmson in reserve rather than just Ferry!!!
.
Lets hold on to the cash until Jan - then with a few other potentiL moves we may have more to play with
.
I.e. we are probably still paying a portion of Cox Risser Rooney and Benson's wages - but if they were to move on we would free up that extra portion
.
That could possibly mean 2 players could come in during Jan
.
Plus if we get some money for Austin we could make them big money signings to really push us on
.
4 massive games coming up in the next 6 with 3 at home - by Xmas we could be really well placed!
So what's the situation with Austin? If he is sold from Burnley how will that benefit stfc exactly?
The club wont say exactly what % the sell on fee is for obvious reasons , but have hinted between 10/20 % . Burnley have valued him between 8/10 million so we've gotta be looking around then 1 million mark give or take a few quid.
"we've gotta be looking around then 1 million mark give or take a few quid" Presumably Poole Town have to receive a slice from Swindon`s "reward" ? I dont think Austin particularly wants to get into the Premiership just yet anyway.
[quote][p][bold]EastleazeRed[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]tifosi[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]London Red[/bold] wrote: I say stick - the changes have freshened us up and added extra quality and options - so lets see how this goes . We have had a few back already (Williams and Bostock) and others will follow shortly (Macca and Flint) - so I feel we are now fine numbers and quality - ie we have 3 pro CM and Thopmson in reserve rather than just Ferry!!! . Lets hold on to the cash until Jan - then with a few other potentiL moves we may have more to play with . I.e. we are probably still paying a portion of Cox Risser Rooney and Benson's wages - but if they were to move on we would free up that extra portion . That could possibly mean 2 players could come in during Jan . Plus if we get some money for Austin we could make them big money signings to really push us on . 4 massive games coming up in the next 6 with 3 at home - by Xmas we could be really well placed![/p][/quote]So what's the situation with Austin? If he is sold from Burnley how will that benefit stfc exactly?[/p][/quote]The club wont say exactly what % the sell on fee is for obvious reasons , but have hinted between 10/20 % . Burnley have valued him between 8/10 million so we've gotta be looking around then 1 million mark give or take a few quid.[/p][/quote]"we've gotta be looking around then 1 million mark give or take a few quid" Presumably Poole Town have to receive a slice from Swindon`s "reward" ? I dont think Austin particularly wants to get into the Premiership just yet anyway. umpcah
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10:29am Fri 16 Nov 12

Rodbourne red says...

EastleazeRed wrote:
tifosi wrote:
London Red wrote:
I say stick - the changes have freshened us up and added extra quality and options - so lets see how this goes
.
We have had a few back already (Williams and Bostock) and others will follow shortly (Macca and Flint) - so I feel we are now fine numbers and quality - ie we have 3 pro CM and Thopmson in reserve rather than just Ferry!!!
.
Lets hold on to the cash until Jan - then with a few other potentiL moves we may have more to play with
.
I.e. we are probably still paying a portion of Cox Risser Rooney and Benson's wages - but if they were to move on we would free up that extra portion
.
That could possibly mean 2 players could come in during Jan
.
Plus if we get some money for Austin we could make them big money signings to really push us on
.
4 massive games coming up in the next 6 with 3 at home - by Xmas we could be really well placed!
So what's the situation with Austin? If he is sold from Burnley how will that benefit stfc exactly?
The club wont say exactly what % the sell on fee is for obvious reasons , but have hinted between 10/20 % . Burnley have valued him between 8/10 million so we've gotta be looking around then 1 million mark give or take a few quid.
It's not going to anywhere near £1m. It was mentioned during the phone in with SWP on the BBC the other week that the sell on is around 15% of any profit that Burnley make. But any extra money we get is obviously going to help come the new year.
[quote][p][bold]EastleazeRed[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]tifosi[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]London Red[/bold] wrote: I say stick - the changes have freshened us up and added extra quality and options - so lets see how this goes . We have had a few back already (Williams and Bostock) and others will follow shortly (Macca and Flint) - so I feel we are now fine numbers and quality - ie we have 3 pro CM and Thopmson in reserve rather than just Ferry!!! . Lets hold on to the cash until Jan - then with a few other potentiL moves we may have more to play with . I.e. we are probably still paying a portion of Cox Risser Rooney and Benson's wages - but if they were to move on we would free up that extra portion . That could possibly mean 2 players could come in during Jan . Plus if we get some money for Austin we could make them big money signings to really push us on . 4 massive games coming up in the next 6 with 3 at home - by Xmas we could be really well placed![/p][/quote]So what's the situation with Austin? If he is sold from Burnley how will that benefit stfc exactly?[/p][/quote]The club wont say exactly what % the sell on fee is for obvious reasons , but have hinted between 10/20 % . Burnley have valued him between 8/10 million so we've gotta be looking around then 1 million mark give or take a few quid.[/p][/quote]It's not going to anywhere near £1m. It was mentioned during the phone in with SWP on the BBC the other week that the sell on is around 15% of any profit that Burnley make. But any extra money we get is obviously going to help come the new year. Rodbourne red
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11:32am Fri 16 Nov 12

RobinsTalk says...

hornet wrote:
Am I missing something I was under the impression that emergency loans outside the transfer window were to cover Injurys ect short term . 1 striker and 1 midfielder out , 1 striker and 1 midfielder in wheres the emergency
Emergency loan is just a term used to loan players outside of a transfer window, there doesn't have to be an emergency. These loans are a minimum of 28 days and maximum of 93 days.

FIFA are not happy with this arrangement of emergency loans and are looking to ban them in 2014 and maybe change the transfer window set up, again!
[quote][p][bold]hornet[/bold] wrote: Am I missing something I was under the impression that emergency loans outside the transfer window were to cover Injurys ect short term . 1 striker and 1 midfielder out , 1 striker and 1 midfielder in wheres the emergency[/p][/quote]Emergency loan is just a term used to loan players outside of a transfer window, there doesn't have to be an emergency. These loans are a minimum of 28 days and maximum of 93 days. FIFA are not happy with this arrangement of emergency loans and are looking to ban them in 2014 and maybe change the transfer window set up, again! RobinsTalk
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11:49am Fri 16 Nov 12

London Red says...

Whether Poole get a slice of any etc sell-on depends on the contract we had when we signed him
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Reading ensured they got 40% of all future receipts so did get a slice when he was sold on again to Forest
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However - as far as I'm aware that is not the norm and the original club will only get the percentage of the initial sale - i.e Poole would have got say 20% of the £1.2m we got
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Ignoring Poole - Austin going for £2m like Cox did would net us £120k at 15% or £160k at 20%
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Then for every extra £1m we would get £150k or £200k
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SWP was clearly trying to play it down to not get the hopes up - but if Austin is sold for £8m we should see £1m at 15% or £1.4m at 20%
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If he is sold for £10m then we should get £1.3m at 15% or £1.7m at 20%
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So even then if we had to pass some (say 20%) on we would still get between £800k - £1.4m!!!
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Granted if he goes for around £5m - it won't be that high - but considering they sold Rodriquez for over £7m and Austin is the highest scorer in Europe - £8-10m is not that unrealistic and therefore, a £1m pay day for us is not that unrealistic
Whether Poole get a slice of any etc sell-on depends on the contract we had when we signed him . Reading ensured they got 40% of all future receipts so did get a slice when he was sold on again to Forest . However - as far as I'm aware that is not the norm and the original club will only get the percentage of the initial sale - i.e Poole would have got say 20% of the £1.2m we got . Ignoring Poole - Austin going for £2m like Cox did would net us £120k at 15% or £160k at 20% . Then for every extra £1m we would get £150k or £200k . SWP was clearly trying to play it down to not get the hopes up - but if Austin is sold for £8m we should see £1m at 15% or £1.4m at 20% . If he is sold for £10m then we should get £1.3m at 15% or £1.7m at 20% . So even then if we had to pass some (say 20%) on we would still get between £800k - £1.4m!!! . Granted if he goes for around £5m - it won't be that high - but considering they sold Rodriquez for over £7m and Austin is the highest scorer in Europe - £8-10m is not that unrealistic and therefore, a £1m pay day for us is not that unrealistic London Red
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11:54am Fri 16 Nov 12

Swindon1984 says...

Haydonender wrote:
Sounds like the money is burning a hole in Paolo's pocket but don't think we need another signing currently. Two quality lads in yesterday who will really add something to the team but we don't want to be bringing someone else in for the sake of it. Might as well save it for emergencies, future injuries etc or we'll end up in the same situation down the line where the board need to put more money in and take months to do so.
Don't think it's burning a hole in his pocket - he's quite clearly said he won't get players in just for the sake of it, and unless he can add real quality will stick with the players he has. Sounds sensible to me.
[quote][p][bold]Haydonender[/bold] wrote: Sounds like the money is burning a hole in Paolo's pocket but don't think we need another signing currently. Two quality lads in yesterday who will really add something to the team but we don't want to be bringing someone else in for the sake of it. Might as well save it for emergencies, future injuries etc or we'll end up in the same situation down the line where the board need to put more money in and take months to do so.[/p][/quote]Don't think it's burning a hole in his pocket - he's quite clearly said he won't get players in just for the sake of it, and unless he can add real quality will stick with the players he has. Sounds sensible to me. Swindon1984
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11:55am Fri 16 Nov 12

Swindon1984 says...

Rebel_phish wrote:
So Andy Wiliams and now Chris Martin up front. Surely, we are becoming the the Club That Rocks
Hopefully tongue in cheek - Croons and whinges in that order maybe! Don't get me started on Coldplay....
[quote][p][bold]Rebel_phish[/bold] wrote: So Andy Wiliams and now Chris Martin up front. Surely, we are becoming the the Club That Rocks[/p][/quote]Hopefully tongue in cheek - Croons and whinges in that order maybe! Don't get me started on Coldplay.... Swindon1984
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11:56am Fri 16 Nov 12

Swindon1984 says...

Swindon1984 wrote:
So as some including me thought, Venson had to go to allow the budget for Martin's arrival. Far too many jumping on initial story yesterday and slagging off the decision without knowing why it happened. Now we know.
My repeat posts were due to the site as well by the way - the "V" in Benson, all me and my fat fingers however.
[quote][p][bold]Swindon1984[/bold] wrote: So as some including me thought, Venson had to go to allow the budget for Martin's arrival. Far too many jumping on initial story yesterday and slagging off the decision without knowing why it happened. Now we know.[/p][/quote]My repeat posts were due to the site as well by the way - the "V" in Benson, all me and my fat fingers however. Swindon1984
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12:22pm Fri 16 Nov 12

SAPFanSTFC says...

London Red wrote:
I say stick - the changes have freshened us up and added extra quality and options - so lets see how this goes
.
We have had a few back already (Williams and Bostock) and others will follow shortly (Macca and Flint) - so I feel we are now fine numbers and quality - ie we have 3 pro CM and Thopmson in reserve rather than just Ferry!!!
.
Lets hold on to the cash until Jan - then with a few other potentiL moves we may have more to play with
.
I.e. we are probably still paying a portion of Cox Risser Rooney and Benson's wages - but if they were to move on we would free up that extra portion
.
That could possibly mean 2 players could come in during Jan
.
Plus if we get some money for Austin we could make them big money signings to really push us on
.
4 massive games coming up in the next 6 with 3 at home - by Xmas we could be really well placed!
Have to agree - Stick!
...
Keep some flexibility for any unforeseen injuries.
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I can't see Austin going for more that £6million more likely £5mill....but what is the deal with % sell on clauses? I assume we only get the money when Burnley get their installment? i.e. not expecting anyone to pay the whole lot up front hence it could be 50% now and 50% next season...or do they have to settle the sell on clauses straight away?
[quote][p][bold]London Red[/bold] wrote: I say stick - the changes have freshened us up and added extra quality and options - so lets see how this goes . We have had a few back already (Williams and Bostock) and others will follow shortly (Macca and Flint) - so I feel we are now fine numbers and quality - ie we have 3 pro CM and Thopmson in reserve rather than just Ferry!!! . Lets hold on to the cash until Jan - then with a few other potentiL moves we may have more to play with . I.e. we are probably still paying a portion of Cox Risser Rooney and Benson's wages - but if they were to move on we would free up that extra portion . That could possibly mean 2 players could come in during Jan . Plus if we get some money for Austin we could make them big money signings to really push us on . 4 massive games coming up in the next 6 with 3 at home - by Xmas we could be really well placed![/p][/quote]Have to agree - Stick! ... Keep some flexibility for any unforeseen injuries. --. I can't see Austin going for more that £6million more likely £5mill....but what is the deal with % sell on clauses? I assume we only get the money when Burnley get their installment? i.e. not expecting anyone to pay the whole lot up front hence it could be 50% now and 50% next season...or do they have to settle the sell on clauses straight away? SAPFanSTFC
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12:25pm Fri 16 Nov 12

Malkym says...

To simplify all the speculation of how much of a sell on fee Town will receive for CA if and when he moves - all potential LR's should use the following formula:-

Multiply the square root of burger all by the cosine of who ate all the Pi's then divide by the coefficient tangent of squat diddly. Finally take away the first number that comes into your head and then subtract the combined league goals total that our two lead strikers have scored between them this season (clue:-single figure answer) and you'll get an idea of how much CA's move is worth.
To simplify all the speculation of how much of a sell on fee Town will receive for CA if and when he moves - all potential LR's should use the following formula:- Multiply the square root of burger all by the cosine of who ate all the Pi's then divide by the coefficient tangent of squat diddly. Finally take away the first number that comes into your head and then subtract the combined league goals total that our two lead strikers have scored between them this season (clue:-single figure answer) and you'll get an idea of how much CA's move is worth. Malkym
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12:32pm Fri 16 Nov 12

Swindon1984 says...

Malkym wrote:
To simplify all the speculation of how much of a sell on fee Town will receive for CA if and when he moves - all potential LR's should use the following formula:- Multiply the square root of burger all by the cosine of who ate all the Pi's then divide by the coefficient tangent of squat diddly. Finally take away the first number that comes into your head and then subtract the combined league goals total that our two lead strikers have scored between them this season (clue:-single figure answer) and you'll get an idea of how much CA's move is worth.
Or no-one knows, we'll have to wait and see, and it's pointless trying to guess otherwise.
[quote][p][bold]Malkym[/bold] wrote: To simplify all the speculation of how much of a sell on fee Town will receive for CA if and when he moves - all potential LR's should use the following formula:- Multiply the square root of burger all by the cosine of who ate all the Pi's then divide by the coefficient tangent of squat diddly. Finally take away the first number that comes into your head and then subtract the combined league goals total that our two lead strikers have scored between them this season (clue:-single figure answer) and you'll get an idea of how much CA's move is worth.[/p][/quote]Or no-one knows, we'll have to wait and see, and it's pointless trying to guess otherwise. Swindon1984
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12:48pm Fri 16 Nov 12

Malkym says...

Swindon1984 wrote:
Malkym wrote: To simplify all the speculation of how much of a sell on fee Town will receive for CA if and when he moves - all potential LR's should use the following formula:- Multiply the square root of burger all by the cosine of who ate all the Pi's then divide by the coefficient tangent of squat diddly. Finally take away the first number that comes into your head and then subtract the combined league goals total that our two lead strikers have scored between them this season (clue:-single figure answer) and you'll get an idea of how much CA's move is worth.
Or no-one knows, we'll have to wait and see, and it's pointless trying to guess otherwise.
Which was exactly the point of my post :)
[quote][p][bold]Swindon1984[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Malkym[/bold] wrote: To simplify all the speculation of how much of a sell on fee Town will receive for CA if and when he moves - all potential LR's should use the following formula:- Multiply the square root of burger all by the cosine of who ate all the Pi's then divide by the coefficient tangent of squat diddly. Finally take away the first number that comes into your head and then subtract the combined league goals total that our two lead strikers have scored between them this season (clue:-single figure answer) and you'll get an idea of how much CA's move is worth.[/p][/quote]Or no-one knows, we'll have to wait and see, and it's pointless trying to guess otherwise.[/p][/quote]Which was exactly the point of my post :) Malkym
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12:51pm Fri 16 Nov 12

Steve. Brentford says...

Rebel_phish wrote:
So Andy Wiliams and now Chris Martin up front.

Surely, we are becoming the the Club That Rocks
Are you a Rockabilly, Rebel ?
Our Status Quo is a good enough reason for Benno to go to Pompey.
I really like Chris Martin (football player)
if he gets on with Paolo we could of signed a player who will and has scored plenty in this division.
[quote][p][bold]Rebel_phish[/bold] wrote: So Andy Wiliams and now Chris Martin up front. Surely, we are becoming the the Club That Rocks[/p][/quote]Are you a Rockabilly, Rebel ? Our Status Quo is a good enough reason for Benno to go to Pompey. I really like Chris Martin (football player) if he gets on with Paolo we could of signed a player who will and has scored plenty in this division. Steve. Brentford
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12:59pm Fri 16 Nov 12

RobinsTalk says...

Personally I think Paolo will probably elect to..................
....................
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twist again like we did last summer
Yea, let's twist again like we did last year
Do you remember when things were really hummin'
Yea, let's twist again, twistin' time is here

but of course I could wrong....ha ha.
Personally I think Paolo will probably elect to.................. .................... . twist again like we did last summer Yea, let's twist again like we did last year Do you remember when things were really hummin' Yea, let's twist again, twistin' time is here but of course I could wrong....ha ha. RobinsTalk
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2:36pm Fri 16 Nov 12

Oi Den! says...

"I decided for him although it is obvious we are going to miss a man who challenges more in the air, but the way we play now we are going to play more directly and in a manner you can see all through the middle and in the channel, so if I had to sacrifice one player, Paul was one."
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I'm not having a dig at PDC, but can anyone explain/interpret this comment? What is it about Benson that makes him less suited than the others to playing "more directly and in a manner you can see all through the middle and in the channel". And is this PDC's confirmation that lumping the ball forward is the way we are going to play from now on? Or is he saying the opposite - that we are going to revert to playing football through the middle? I hope it's the latter, because the fare served up at the County Ground recently has been dire - parst of the Villa and Coventry games excepted. (That's the football fare by the way. I'll let Jayden speak for the burgers!)
"I decided for him although it is obvious we are going to miss a man who challenges more in the air, but the way we play now we are going to play more directly and in a manner you can see all through the middle and in the channel, so if I had to sacrifice one player, Paul was one." . I'm not having a dig at PDC, but can anyone explain/interpret this comment? What is it about Benson that makes him less suited than the others to playing "more directly and in a manner you can see all through the middle and in the channel". And is this PDC's confirmation that lumping the ball forward is the way we are going to play from now on? Or is he saying the opposite - that we are going to revert to playing football through the middle? I hope it's the latter, because the fare served up at the County Ground recently has been dire - parst of the Villa and Coventry games excepted. (That's the football fare by the way. I'll let Jayden speak for the burgers!) Oi Den!
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2:37pm Fri 16 Nov 12

Oi Den! says...

parts, not "parst"
parts, not "parst" Oi Den!
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2:54pm Fri 16 Nov 12

dreamofacleansheet2 says...

Den I'm assuming he means on the ground, if he says he's letting Benson go even though he's good in the air.

Macca back in please and let's build from the back please rather than the Wes hoof and get over-run in midfield looking for the defender's header.

Delighted with the signing of Martin regardless of how he is alledgedly off the field. Hopefully he will mature and knuckle down as it will help him get a future contract.

Back to back to back promotions coming. Watching the birth of a managerial legend.
Den I'm assuming he means on the ground, if he says he's letting Benson go even though he's good in the air. Macca back in please and let's build from the back please rather than the Wes hoof and get over-run in midfield looking for the defender's header. Delighted with the signing of Martin regardless of how he is alledgedly off the field. Hopefully he will mature and knuckle down as it will help him get a future contract. Back to back to back promotions coming. Watching the birth of a managerial legend. dreamofacleansheet2
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3:42pm Fri 16 Nov 12

London Red says...

Den - I said something similar to below in another article and see it as being more controlled
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Paynter was excellent in that role for us - we played more football with him as he is not your typical target man - we had to play it to him more than lump it and hope
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Collins for me is similar to this and as it was reported he excelled at this part of the game against Villa and Sheff U
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So what this means is we will be playing direct (as quick and forward) compared to long (as in hump)
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This should suit Collins and Martin
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With Colins we can look for him to control it on his chest and start things off from there and Martins more to feet - as that is what he said he likes
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Channels is simply to utilise Williams (or Storey's) pace - this would mean clever balls between the fullback and centre back to release Williams to try and get in one on one or to get into a position to set something up
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All described above is exactly how we played away to Pompey and we looked excellent
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So hoof it is tomorrow then!
Den - I said something similar to below in another article and see it as being more controlled . Paynter was excellent in that role for us - we played more football with him as he is not your typical target man - we had to play it to him more than lump it and hope . Collins for me is similar to this and as it was reported he excelled at this part of the game against Villa and Sheff U . So what this means is we will be playing direct (as quick and forward) compared to long (as in hump) . This should suit Collins and Martin . With Colins we can look for him to control it on his chest and start things off from there and Martins more to feet - as that is what he said he likes . Channels is simply to utilise Williams (or Storey's) pace - this would mean clever balls between the fullback and centre back to release Williams to try and get in one on one or to get into a position to set something up . All described above is exactly how we played away to Pompey and we looked excellent . So hoof it is tomorrow then! London Red
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4:05pm Fri 16 Nov 12

Oi Den! says...

Well, let's hope you're both right chaps! Although I'm not averse to seeing us mix it up a bit, I have to say that the near constant route 1 stuff at home has been a major disappointment. It's not what we're used to as Town fans and it's not going to help put more bums on seats.
Well, let's hope you're both right chaps! Although I'm not averse to seeing us mix it up a bit, I have to say that the near constant route 1 stuff at home has been a major disappointment. It's not what we're used to as Town fans and it's not going to help put more bums on seats. Oi Den!
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4:09pm Fri 16 Nov 12

Oi Den! says...

Dreamo: "Delighted with the signing of Martin regardless of how he is alledgedly off the field. Hopefully he will mature and knuckle down as it will help him get a future contract."
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Ooohh, I don't know about that. We don't want another Charlie Austin, do we? Oh, wait a sec - yes please, another Charlie Austin would do nicely.
Dreamo: "Delighted with the signing of Martin regardless of how he is alledgedly off the field. Hopefully he will mature and knuckle down as it will help him get a future contract." . Ooohh, I don't know about that. We don't want another Charlie Austin, do we? Oh, wait a sec - yes please, another Charlie Austin would do nicely. Oi Den!
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4:32pm Fri 16 Nov 12

London Red says...

Den - You seen the piece on Austin today on the BBC (going to be featured on Football Focus tomorrow) says he has matured over the past 18 odd months - especially after the birth of his daughter
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Guess it is young footballers are just that young footballers
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Still not a fan though due to the way he left rather than the off field rumours
Den - You seen the piece on Austin today on the BBC (going to be featured on Football Focus tomorrow) says he has matured over the past 18 odd months - especially after the birth of his daughter . Guess it is young footballers are just that young footballers . Still not a fan though due to the way he left rather than the off field rumours London Red
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4:36pm Fri 16 Nov 12

dreamofacleansheet2 says...

Den brilliant. But my information is direct, not that he does this and that but that he is just not a particularly nice bloke. He did have major issues when younger involved in brawl etc but as I say hopefully at 24 he realises it's time to knuckle down.

To be clear I couldn't give a monkies if he is an idiot I'd just like us to convert more of the chances we continue to create. I think someone mentioned making the strikers do one on one training to get a bit of confidence. I'd like to think they've been doing that.

I'd also hope that we start to get a more settled side as we lead up to christmas and that this helps.
Den brilliant. But my information is direct, not that he does this and that but that he is just not a particularly nice bloke. He did have major issues when younger involved in brawl etc but as I say hopefully at 24 he realises it's time to knuckle down. To be clear I couldn't give a monkies if he is an idiot I'd just like us to convert more of the chances we continue to create. I think someone mentioned making the strikers do one on one training to get a bit of confidence. I'd like to think they've been doing that. I'd also hope that we start to get a more settled side as we lead up to christmas and that this helps. dreamofacleansheet2
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4:44pm Fri 16 Nov 12

Oi Den! says...

London Red wrote:
Den - You seen the piece on Austin today on the BBC (going to be featured on Football Focus tomorrow) says he has matured over the past 18 odd months - especially after the birth of his daughter
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Guess it is young footballers are just that young footballers
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Still not a fan though due to the way he left rather than the off field rumours
Yes I know LR. We'll never agree on that. If that horrible 2010/11 season had one redeeming feature, it was Charlie Austin running his guts out for STFC, standing out like a beacon of effort and class in a fog of dross. With such little support on and off the pitch, I think my head would have dropped long before his did.
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No, I didn't know about that feature. Glad about it though. The higher his profile the better it will probably be for us.
[quote][p][bold]London Red[/bold] wrote: Den - You seen the piece on Austin today on the BBC (going to be featured on Football Focus tomorrow) says he has matured over the past 18 odd months - especially after the birth of his daughter . Guess it is young footballers are just that young footballers . Still not a fan though due to the way he left rather than the off field rumours[/p][/quote]Yes I know LR. We'll never agree on that. If that horrible 2010/11 season had one redeeming feature, it was Charlie Austin running his guts out for STFC, standing out like a beacon of effort and class in a fog of dross. With such little support on and off the pitch, I think my head would have dropped long before his did. . No, I didn't know about that feature. Glad about it though. The higher his profile the better it will probably be for us. Oi Den!
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4:58pm Fri 16 Nov 12

London Red says...

I'm glad he has now finally admitted though that the speculation did affect him
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Granted 2010 he was amazing - but 2011 not at all and that was all linked to the pushing for a move
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Whether that was justifed or not as you said we will never agree on - I just personally use Parkin and Cox as the benchmark and neither of them did it and we struggled when Cox was here
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Anyway that is all in the past - lets just hope we are talking about Collins or Martin in a similar fashion shortly as they have been doing the business on the pitch
I'm glad he has now finally admitted though that the speculation did affect him . Granted 2010 he was amazing - but 2011 not at all and that was all linked to the pushing for a move . Whether that was justifed or not as you said we will never agree on - I just personally use Parkin and Cox as the benchmark and neither of them did it and we struggled when Cox was here . Anyway that is all in the past - lets just hope we are talking about Collins or Martin in a similar fashion shortly as they have been doing the business on the pitch London Red
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5:07pm Fri 16 Nov 12

Swindon1984 says...

Malkym wrote:
Swindon1984 wrote:
Malkym wrote: To simplify all the speculation of how much of a sell on fee Town will receive for CA if and when he moves - all potential LR's should use the following formula:- Multiply the square root of burger all by the cosine of who ate all the Pi's then divide by the coefficient tangent of squat diddly. Finally take away the first number that comes into your head and then subtract the combined league goals total that our two lead strikers have scored between them this season (clue:-single figure answer) and you'll get an idea of how much CA's move is worth.
Or no-one knows, we'll have to wait and see, and it's pointless trying to guess otherwise.
Which was exactly the point of my post :)
I know, what I said added nothing :-)
[quote][p][bold]Malkym[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Swindon1984[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Malkym[/bold] wrote: To simplify all the speculation of how much of a sell on fee Town will receive for CA if and when he moves - all potential LR's should use the following formula:- Multiply the square root of burger all by the cosine of who ate all the Pi's then divide by the coefficient tangent of squat diddly. Finally take away the first number that comes into your head and then subtract the combined league goals total that our two lead strikers have scored between them this season (clue:-single figure answer) and you'll get an idea of how much CA's move is worth.[/p][/quote]Or no-one knows, we'll have to wait and see, and it's pointless trying to guess otherwise.[/p][/quote]Which was exactly the point of my post :)[/p][/quote]I know, what I said added nothing :-) Swindon1984
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5:23pm Fri 16 Nov 12

mancrobin says...

Rebel_phish wrote:
So Andy Wiliams and now Chris Martin up front.

Surely, we are becoming the the Club That Rocks
Right on..and with Lionel Ritchie and Bryan Ferry in midfield alongside the Thompson Twins, it'll be 'Watch the Storey, Swindon Glory!'
[quote][p][bold]Rebel_phish[/bold] wrote: So Andy Wiliams and now Chris Martin up front. Surely, we are becoming the the Club That Rocks[/p][/quote]Right on..and with Lionel Ritchie and Bryan Ferry in midfield alongside the Thompson Twins, it'll be 'Watch the Storey, Swindon Glory!' mancrobin
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5:28pm Fri 16 Nov 12

DarrenSTFCRomain says...

London Red wrote:
Den - You seen the piece on Austin today on the BBC (going to be featured on Football Focus tomorrow) says he has matured over the past 18 odd months - especially after the birth of his daughter . Guess it is young footballers are just that young footballers . Still not a fan though due to the way he left rather than the off field rumours
He left the same way as every other player did...

A LOT More money and a better standard of football...

Just the same as everyone else that changes there job..
More money so a better standard of liveing
[quote][p][bold]London Red[/bold] wrote: Den - You seen the piece on Austin today on the BBC (going to be featured on Football Focus tomorrow) says he has matured over the past 18 odd months - especially after the birth of his daughter . Guess it is young footballers are just that young footballers . Still not a fan though due to the way he left rather than the off field rumours[/p][/quote]He left the same way as every other player did... A LOT More money and a better standard of football... Just the same as everyone else that changes there job.. More money so a better standard of liveing DarrenSTFCRomain
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5:35pm Fri 16 Nov 12

dreamofacleansheet2 says...

Manc pure comedy gold.

Darren couldn't agree with you more. It's a short career and you've got to what you gotta do.

The one bit I'm always unsure about is kids moving early. Bostock is a classic example as he was the prodigy at Palace and then went nowhere at Spurs. Hopefully he scores the winner for us at White Hart Lane when we're back in the Premiership....

Off for a 6x or two....
Manc pure comedy gold. Darren couldn't agree with you more. It's a short career and you've got to what you gotta do. The one bit I'm always unsure about is kids moving early. Bostock is a classic example as he was the prodigy at Palace and then went nowhere at Spurs. Hopefully he scores the winner for us at White Hart Lane when we're back in the Premiership.... Off for a 6x or two.... dreamofacleansheet2
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5:43pm Fri 16 Nov 12

Wilesy says...

Presumably we need to keep one emergency loan up our sleeve in case Wes gets injured?

And are we now assuming that we don't need cover at left back?
Presumably we need to keep one emergency loan up our sleeve in case Wes gets injured? And are we now assuming that we don't need cover at left back? Wilesy
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5:51pm Fri 16 Nov 12

robstfc says...

mancrobin wrote:
Rebel_phish wrote:
So Andy Wiliams and now Chris Martin up front.

Surely, we are becoming the the Club That Rocks
Right on..and with Lionel Ritchie and Bryan Ferry in midfield alongside the Thompson Twins, it'll be 'Watch the Storey, Swindon Glory!'
You should be on the stage.... Great stuff..
[quote][p][bold]mancrobin[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Rebel_phish[/bold] wrote: So Andy Wiliams and now Chris Martin up front. Surely, we are becoming the the Club That Rocks[/p][/quote]Right on..and with Lionel Ritchie and Bryan Ferry in midfield alongside the Thompson Twins, it'll be 'Watch the Storey, Swindon Glory!'[/p][/quote]You should be on the stage.... Great stuff.. robstfc
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7:02pm Fri 16 Nov 12

Swindon1984 says...

DarrenSTFCRomain wrote:
London Red wrote:
Den - You seen the piece on Austin today on the BBC (going to be featured on Football Focus tomorrow) says he has matured over the past 18 odd months - especially after the birth of his daughter . Guess it is young footballers are just that young footballers . Still not a fan though due to the way he left rather than the off field rumours
He left the same way as every other player did...

A LOT More money and a better standard of football...

Just the same as everyone else that changes there job..
More money so a better standard of liveing
Spot on, people talk about loyalty but if someone offered us a load more money to do the same job fir a bigger company we'd all take it. I don't begrudge anyone moving on as long as they're committed whilst they're here.
[quote][p][bold]DarrenSTFCRomain[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]London Red[/bold] wrote: Den - You seen the piece on Austin today on the BBC (going to be featured on Football Focus tomorrow) says he has matured over the past 18 odd months - especially after the birth of his daughter . Guess it is young footballers are just that young footballers . Still not a fan though due to the way he left rather than the off field rumours[/p][/quote]He left the same way as every other player did... A LOT More money and a better standard of football... Just the same as everyone else that changes there job.. More money so a better standard of liveing[/p][/quote]Spot on, people talk about loyalty but if someone offered us a load more money to do the same job fir a bigger company we'd all take it. I don't begrudge anyone moving on as long as they're committed whilst they're here. Swindon1984
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7:15pm Fri 16 Nov 12

London Red says...

As I said earlier - I doubt the board have made it that we couldn't get a loan if needed
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Room for one more would be based on the £4.5m budget rather than 65% limit
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I'm sure the board would sanction a loan if Wes got injured even if we went over budget as that would be vital
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Unless of course as you say a chunk of the £4.5m has always been held back for that scenario
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As for players moving - have no issue with players moving on - its just about timing
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The summer is the time players should make the move if they suddenly feel they need to move on for career development - as Said above Cox and Parkin saw out the year and got decent moves
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January should be when a club is trying to strengthen and therefore poaches a player - but as its Jan they pay a premium to get them
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It's why managers like Wenger are reluctant to deal in Jan as they don't want to pay over the odds
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Yet Austin media moans and transfer request removed all of that premium
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Had he not done that, continued in jan like he did in 2010 and then a club came in with a massive offer - it would have been fair enough
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Luke Rooney is a prime example - he never requested a move or complained to the media and we are forced to pay a premium
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It worked for us as he do help us secure the title and Gills were happy as they got a decent fee
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It's give and take in football but I just felt after we gave Austin so much he didn't return it like others have - he had been a professional for just over a year and was only 21 - he didn't need to move then to "save his career"
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See out the year and then go - was that really too much to ask?
As I said earlier - I doubt the board have made it that we couldn't get a loan if needed . Room for one more would be based on the £4.5m budget rather than 65% limit . I'm sure the board would sanction a loan if Wes got injured even if we went over budget as that would be vital . Unless of course as you say a chunk of the £4.5m has always been held back for that scenario . As for players moving - have no issue with players moving on - its just about timing . The summer is the time players should make the move if they suddenly feel they need to move on for career development - as Said above Cox and Parkin saw out the year and got decent moves . January should be when a club is trying to strengthen and therefore poaches a player - but as its Jan they pay a premium to get them . It's why managers like Wenger are reluctant to deal in Jan as they don't want to pay over the odds . Yet Austin media moans and transfer request removed all of that premium . Had he not done that, continued in jan like he did in 2010 and then a club came in with a massive offer - it would have been fair enough . Luke Rooney is a prime example - he never requested a move or complained to the media and we are forced to pay a premium . It worked for us as he do help us secure the title and Gills were happy as they got a decent fee . It's give and take in football but I just felt after we gave Austin so much he didn't return it like others have - he had been a professional for just over a year and was only 21 - he didn't need to move then to "save his career" . See out the year and then go - was that really too much to ask? London Red
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7:39pm Fri 16 Nov 12

DarrenSTFCRomain says...

Swindon1984 wrote:
DarrenSTFCRomain wrote:
London Red wrote: Den - You seen the piece on Austin today on the BBC (going to be featured on Football Focus tomorrow) says he has matured over the past 18 odd months - especially after the birth of his daughter . Guess it is young footballers are just that young footballers . Still not a fan though due to the way he left rather than the off field rumours
He left the same way as every other player did... A LOT More money and a better standard of football... Just the same as everyone else that changes there job.. More money so a better standard of liveing
Spot on, people talk about loyalty but if someone offered us a load more money to do the same job fir a bigger company we'd all take it. I don't begrudge anyone moving on as long as they're committed whilst they're here.
When the club dont wont you anymore do they offer you a new contract..NO
[quote][p][bold]Swindon1984[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]DarrenSTFCRomain[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]London Red[/bold] wrote: Den - You seen the piece on Austin today on the BBC (going to be featured on Football Focus tomorrow) says he has matured over the past 18 odd months - especially after the birth of his daughter . Guess it is young footballers are just that young footballers . Still not a fan though due to the way he left rather than the off field rumours[/p][/quote]He left the same way as every other player did... A LOT More money and a better standard of football... Just the same as everyone else that changes there job.. More money so a better standard of liveing[/p][/quote]Spot on, people talk about loyalty but if someone offered us a load more money to do the same job fir a bigger company we'd all take it. I don't begrudge anyone moving on as long as they're committed whilst they're here.[/p][/quote]When the club dont wont you anymore do they offer you a new contract..NO DarrenSTFCRomain
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7:40pm Fri 16 Nov 12

Angolan Red says...

How about some loyalty tothe players we have bring back Benson , Rooney and Caddisand get rd of Decanio before we end up like Leeds its just the Paulo Decani Road show and its run its coure
How about some loyalty tothe players we have bring back Benson , Rooney and Caddisand get rd of Decanio before we end up like Leeds its just the Paulo Decani Road show and its run its coure Angolan Red
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8:24pm Fri 16 Nov 12

DarrenSTFCRomain says...

London Red wrote:
As I said earlier - I doubt the board have made it that we couldn't get a loan if needed . Room for one more would be based on the £4.5m budget rather than 65% limit . I'm sure the board would sanction a loan if Wes got injured even if we went over budget as that would be vital . Unless of course as you say a chunk of the £4.5m has always been held back for that scenario . As for players moving - have no issue with players moving on - its just about timing . The summer is the time players should make the move if they suddenly feel they need to move on for career development - as Said above Cox and Parkin saw out the year and got decent moves . January should be when a club is trying to strengthen and therefore poaches a player - but as its Jan they pay a premium to get them . It's why managers like Wenger are reluctant to deal in Jan as they don't want to pay over the odds . Yet Austin media moans and transfer request removed all of that premium . Had he not done that, continued in jan like he did in 2010 and then a club came in with a massive offer - it would have been fair enough . Luke Rooney is a prime example - he never requested a move or complained to the media and we are forced to pay a premium . It worked for us as he do help us secure the title and Gills were happy as they got a decent fee . It's give and take in football but I just felt after we gave Austin so much he didn't return it like others have - he had been a professional for just over a year and was only 21 - he didn't need to move then to "save his career" . See out the year and then go - was that really too much to ask?
And you know all this !!!!! HOW..

Room for one more would be based on the £4.5m budget rather than 65% limit..

so the the 4.5m is nothing to do with the 65% limit..BIG ?

Then you say players should only move in the summer...THEN You say January should be when a club is trying to strengthen and therefore poaches a player

AND NO IM NOT HAVING A POP AT YOU
[quote][p][bold]London Red[/bold] wrote: As I said earlier - I doubt the board have made it that we couldn't get a loan if needed . Room for one more would be based on the £4.5m budget rather than 65% limit . I'm sure the board would sanction a loan if Wes got injured even if we went over budget as that would be vital . Unless of course as you say a chunk of the £4.5m has always been held back for that scenario . As for players moving - have no issue with players moving on - its just about timing . The summer is the time players should make the move if they suddenly feel they need to move on for career development - as Said above Cox and Parkin saw out the year and got decent moves . January should be when a club is trying to strengthen and therefore poaches a player - but as its Jan they pay a premium to get them . It's why managers like Wenger are reluctant to deal in Jan as they don't want to pay over the odds . Yet Austin media moans and transfer request removed all of that premium . Had he not done that, continued in jan like he did in 2010 and then a club came in with a massive offer - it would have been fair enough . Luke Rooney is a prime example - he never requested a move or complained to the media and we are forced to pay a premium . It worked for us as he do help us secure the title and Gills were happy as they got a decent fee . It's give and take in football but I just felt after we gave Austin so much he didn't return it like others have - he had been a professional for just over a year and was only 21 - he didn't need to move then to "save his career" . See out the year and then go - was that really too much to ask?[/p][/quote]And you know all this !!!!! HOW.. Room for one more would be based on the £4.5m budget rather than 65% limit.. so the the 4.5m is nothing to do with the 65% limit..BIG ? Then you say players should only move in the summer...THEN You say January should be when a club is trying to strengthen and therefore poaches a player AND NO IM NOT HAVING A POP AT YOU DarrenSTFCRomain
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8:51pm Fri 16 Nov 12

jayden says...

Angolan Red wrote:
How about some loyalty tothe players we have bring back Benson , Rooney and Caddisand get rd of Decanio before we end up like Leeds its just the Paulo Decani Road show and its run its coure
WHO?
[quote][p][bold]Angolan Red[/bold] wrote: How about some loyalty tothe players we have bring back Benson , Rooney and Caddisand get rd of Decanio before we end up like Leeds its just the Paulo Decani Road show and its run its coure[/p][/quote]WHO? jayden
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9:15pm Fri 16 Nov 12

Cookie43 says...

Angolan Red wrote:
How about some loyalty tothe players we have bring back Benson , Rooney and Caddisand get rd of Decanio before we end up like Leeds its just the Paulo Decani Road show and its run its coure
Weird
[quote][p][bold]Angolan Red[/bold] wrote: How about some loyalty tothe players we have bring back Benson , Rooney and Caddisand get rd of Decanio before we end up like Leeds its just the Paulo Decani Road show and its run its coure[/p][/quote]Weird Cookie43
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9:23pm Fri 16 Nov 12

Swindon1984 says...

Angolan Red wrote:
How about some loyalty tothe players we have bring back Benson , Rooney and Caddisand get rd of Decanio before we end up like Leeds its just the Paulo Decani Road show and its run its coure
Wind up merchant
[quote][p][bold]Angolan Red[/bold] wrote: How about some loyalty tothe players we have bring back Benson , Rooney and Caddisand get rd of Decanio before we end up like Leeds its just the Paulo Decani Road show and its run its coure[/p][/quote]Wind up merchant Swindon1984
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9:24pm Fri 16 Nov 12

southside7 says...

robstfc wrote:
mancrobin wrote:
Rebel_phish wrote:
So Andy Wiliams and now Chris Martin up front.

Surely, we are becoming the the Club That Rocks
Right on..and with Lionel Ritchie and Bryan Ferry in midfield alongside the Thompson Twins, it'll be 'Watch the Storey, Swindon Glory!'
You should be on the stage.... Great stuff..
Yeah ....and Paolo....You gotta roll with it .. you gotta take ya time....you gotta play what you play don't let any hoofers get in your way....... cause it's all too much....... for us to taaaaake.
[quote][p][bold]robstfc[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mancrobin[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Rebel_phish[/bold] wrote: So Andy Wiliams and now Chris Martin up front. Surely, we are becoming the the Club That Rocks[/p][/quote]Right on..and with Lionel Ritchie and Bryan Ferry in midfield alongside the Thompson Twins, it'll be 'Watch the Storey, Swindon Glory!'[/p][/quote]You should be on the stage.... Great stuff..[/p][/quote]Yeah ....and Paolo....You gotta roll with it .. you gotta take ya time....you gotta play what you play don't let any hoofers get in your way....... cause it's all too much....... for us to taaaaake. southside7
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10:48pm Fri 16 Nov 12

old town robin says...

London Red wrote:
As I said earlier - I doubt the board have made it that we couldn't get a loan if needed
.
Room for one more would be based on the £4.5m budget rather than 65% limit
.
I'm sure the board would sanction a loan if Wes got injured even if we went over budget as that would be vital
.
Unless of course as you say a chunk of the £4.5m has always been held back for that scenario
.
As for players moving - have no issue with players moving on - its just about timing
.
The summer is the time players should make the move if they suddenly feel they need to move on for career development - as Said above Cox and Parkin saw out the year and got decent moves
.
January should be when a club is trying to strengthen and therefore poaches a player - but as its Jan they pay a premium to get them
.
It's why managers like Wenger are reluctant to deal in Jan as they don't want to pay over the odds
.
Yet Austin media moans and transfer request removed all of that premium
.
Had he not done that, continued in jan like he did in 2010 and then a club came in with a massive offer - it would have been fair enough
.
Luke Rooney is a prime example - he never requested a move or complained to the media and we are forced to pay a premium
.
It worked for us as he do help us secure the title and Gills were happy as they got a decent fee
.
It's give and take in football but I just felt after we gave Austin so much he didn't return it like others have - he had been a professional for just over a year and was only 21 - he didn't need to move then to "save his career"
.
See out the year and then go - was that really too much to ask?
Don't think we paid a premium for Wes, we got him in January for a good price
[quote][p][bold]London Red[/bold] wrote: As I said earlier - I doubt the board have made it that we couldn't get a loan if needed . Room for one more would be based on the £4.5m budget rather than 65% limit . I'm sure the board would sanction a loan if Wes got injured even if we went over budget as that would be vital . Unless of course as you say a chunk of the £4.5m has always been held back for that scenario . As for players moving - have no issue with players moving on - its just about timing . The summer is the time players should make the move if they suddenly feel they need to move on for career development - as Said above Cox and Parkin saw out the year and got decent moves . January should be when a club is trying to strengthen and therefore poaches a player - but as its Jan they pay a premium to get them . It's why managers like Wenger are reluctant to deal in Jan as they don't want to pay over the odds . Yet Austin media moans and transfer request removed all of that premium . Had he not done that, continued in jan like he did in 2010 and then a club came in with a massive offer - it would have been fair enough . Luke Rooney is a prime example - he never requested a move or complained to the media and we are forced to pay a premium . It worked for us as he do help us secure the title and Gills were happy as they got a decent fee . It's give and take in football but I just felt after we gave Austin so much he didn't return it like others have - he had been a professional for just over a year and was only 21 - he didn't need to move then to "save his career" . See out the year and then go - was that really too much to ask?[/p][/quote]Don't think we paid a premium for Wes, we got him in January for a good price old town robin
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10:54pm Fri 16 Nov 12

old town robin says...

The one more to come was Riley, he turned us down, so expect futher loanee will be for RB cover.Can't see we need it elsewhere other than GK if wes was to be unavailable.
The one more to come was Riley, he turned us down, so expect futher loanee will be for RB cover.Can't see we need it elsewhere other than GK if wes was to be unavailable. old town robin
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11:31pm Fri 16 Nov 12

Oi Den! says...

LR, "we gave Austin so much"? Never! We got very lucky. If Bournemouth hadn't been under a transfer embargo, we wouldn't have had a look in. He owed us nothing when he left. You can't hope to hold on to a player of Austin's class and commitment if you allow the club to rot around him.
LR, "we gave Austin so much"? Never! We got very lucky. If Bournemouth hadn't been under a transfer embargo, we wouldn't have had a look in. He owed us nothing when he left. You can't hope to hold on to a player of Austin's class and commitment if you allow the club to rot around him. Oi Den!
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12:03am Sat 17 Nov 12

joey butler says...

Sorry Guys,

But I cannot help thinking of Paul Benson, sat in some faceless hotel in Portsmouth tonight and wondering how it all went wrong at Swindon.

Isn't this the same Benson that PDC described as the ultimate professional who looks after himself?

Loyalty to players is clearly not part of PDC's make up, which is his choice as Manager, but I will always think of him as Judas from now on.
Sorry Guys, But I cannot help thinking of Paul Benson, sat in some faceless hotel in Portsmouth tonight and wondering how it all went wrong at Swindon. Isn't this the same Benson that PDC described as the ultimate professional who looks after himself? Loyalty to players is clearly not part of PDC's make up, which is his choice as Manager, but I will always think of him as Judas from now on. joey butler
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12:09am Sat 17 Nov 12

jedthered says...

Ive a friend who supports Burnley and he is expecting CA to go in the Jan sales and he thinks it will be a lot of money, as much as 10 mil. Also if anyone read the football league paper last week, one of their feature writers was valuing CA at 10 Million, so i dont think LR is far of the mark.
Ive a friend who supports Burnley and he is expecting CA to go in the Jan sales and he thinks it will be a lot of money, as much as 10 mil. Also if anyone read the football league paper last week, one of their feature writers was valuing CA at 10 Million, so i dont think LR is far of the mark. jedthered
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12:24am Sat 17 Nov 12

Oi Den! says...

joey butler wrote:
Sorry Guys,

But I cannot help thinking of Paul Benson, sat in some faceless hotel in Portsmouth tonight and wondering how it all went wrong at Swindon.

Isn't this the same Benson that PDC described as the ultimate professional who looks after himself?

Loyalty to players is clearly not part of PDC's make up, which is his choice as Manager, but I will always think of him as Judas from now on.
Joey, maybe there were Charlton fans who were thinking of Benson sitting in some faceless hotel in Swindon. Players come and go at every club. That's football life.
[quote][p][bold]joey butler[/bold] wrote: Sorry Guys, But I cannot help thinking of Paul Benson, sat in some faceless hotel in Portsmouth tonight and wondering how it all went wrong at Swindon. Isn't this the same Benson that PDC described as the ultimate professional who looks after himself? Loyalty to players is clearly not part of PDC's make up, which is his choice as Manager, but I will always think of him as Judas from now on.[/p][/quote]Joey, maybe there were Charlton fans who were thinking of Benson sitting in some faceless hotel in Swindon. Players come and go at every club. That's football life. Oi Den!
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12:46am Sat 17 Nov 12

joey butler says...

Oi Den! wrote:
joey butler wrote:
Sorry Guys,

But I cannot help thinking of Paul Benson, sat in some faceless hotel in Portsmouth tonight and wondering how it all went wrong at Swindon.

Isn't this the same Benson that PDC described as the ultimate professional who looks after himself?

Loyalty to players is clearly not part of PDC's make up, which is his choice as Manager, but I will always think of him as Judas from now on.
Joey, maybe there were Charlton fans who were thinking of Benson sitting in some faceless hotel in Swindon. Players come and go at every club. That's football life.
Sorry Den,

But I am really surprised that you of all people, could be so cold about Paul Benson and how PDC has treated him.

However, you are entitled to your view and at the same time, you perhaps appreciate that there is no way I can agree with you on it.

Judas Di Canio has made his mark in the sand on his ongoing lack of any sort of loyalty with Benson and players will surely see through him from now on.
[quote][p][bold]Oi Den![/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]joey butler[/bold] wrote: Sorry Guys, But I cannot help thinking of Paul Benson, sat in some faceless hotel in Portsmouth tonight and wondering how it all went wrong at Swindon. Isn't this the same Benson that PDC described as the ultimate professional who looks after himself? Loyalty to players is clearly not part of PDC's make up, which is his choice as Manager, but I will always think of him as Judas from now on.[/p][/quote]Joey, maybe there were Charlton fans who were thinking of Benson sitting in some faceless hotel in Swindon. Players come and go at every club. That's football life.[/p][/quote]Sorry Den, But I am really surprised that you of all people, could be so cold about Paul Benson and how PDC has treated him. However, you are entitled to your view and at the same time, you perhaps appreciate that there is no way I can agree with you on it. Judas Di Canio has made his mark in the sand on his ongoing lack of any sort of loyalty with Benson and players will surely see through him from now on. joey butler
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1:10am Sat 17 Nov 12

madterrier says...

There you go mikek...Paolo saying just what I said on a similar post. That Benson is good in the air, and probably the best header of the ball in our squad.

That said, his pace is obviously lacking at 33, and he's probably not going to bag us a hatful of goals. I agree with others in that League 1 is his maximum level. But I'm not worried about building a team for the Championship. Having been in League 1 and 2 for so many years, I would be delighted just to get out of League 1.

We can worry about building a team for the Championship once we're in the Championship.

Anyway, welcome to Martin, hope he's going to do the business for us.
There you go mikek...Paolo saying just what I said on a similar post. That Benson is good in the air, and probably the best header of the ball in our squad. That said, his pace is obviously lacking at 33, and he's probably not going to bag us a hatful of goals. I agree with others in that League 1 is his maximum level. But I'm not worried about building a team for the Championship. Having been in League 1 and 2 for so many years, I would be delighted just to get out of League 1. We can worry about building a team for the Championship once we're in the Championship. Anyway, welcome to Martin, hope he's going to do the business for us. madterrier
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9:42am Sat 17 Nov 12

Oi Den! says...

joey butler wrote:
Oi Den! wrote:
joey butler wrote:
Sorry Guys,

But I cannot help thinking of Paul Benson, sat in some faceless hotel in Portsmouth tonight and wondering how it all went wrong at Swindon.

Isn't this the same Benson that PDC described as the ultimate professional who looks after himself?

Loyalty to players is clearly not part of PDC's make up, which is his choice as Manager, but I will always think of him as Judas from now on.
Joey, maybe there were Charlton fans who were thinking of Benson sitting in some faceless hotel in Swindon. Players come and go at every club. That's football life.
Sorry Den,

But I am really surprised that you of all people, could be so cold about Paul Benson and how PDC has treated him.

However, you are entitled to your view and at the same time, you perhaps appreciate that there is no way I can agree with you on it.

Judas Di Canio has made his mark in the sand on his ongoing lack of any sort of loyalty with Benson and players will surely see through him from now on.
Joey, I think you misunderstand me. Benson has done a marvellous job for us and I would have hoped we could keep him, even if only as cover. But as we all know PDC has to work within a budget and we have to face the fact that if players are coming in, players have to be going out. And would Benson have been happy to stay with us as a bit part player anyway. Whether these are the right moves, only time will tell.
.
There are many aspects of PDC's management that I like and there are some that I don't like. But I'm not going to accuse him of treating a player badly when all I know is that he's made a judgment based on football and finance.
[quote][p][bold]joey butler[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Oi Den![/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]joey butler[/bold] wrote: Sorry Guys, But I cannot help thinking of Paul Benson, sat in some faceless hotel in Portsmouth tonight and wondering how it all went wrong at Swindon. Isn't this the same Benson that PDC described as the ultimate professional who looks after himself? Loyalty to players is clearly not part of PDC's make up, which is his choice as Manager, but I will always think of him as Judas from now on.[/p][/quote]Joey, maybe there were Charlton fans who were thinking of Benson sitting in some faceless hotel in Swindon. Players come and go at every club. That's football life.[/p][/quote]Sorry Den, But I am really surprised that you of all people, could be so cold about Paul Benson and how PDC has treated him. However, you are entitled to your view and at the same time, you perhaps appreciate that there is no way I can agree with you on it. Judas Di Canio has made his mark in the sand on his ongoing lack of any sort of loyalty with Benson and players will surely see through him from now on.[/p][/quote]Joey, I think you misunderstand me. Benson has done a marvellous job for us and I would have hoped we could keep him, even if only as cover. But as we all know PDC has to work within a budget and we have to face the fact that if players are coming in, players have to be going out. And would Benson have been happy to stay with us as a bit part player anyway. Whether these are the right moves, only time will tell. . There are many aspects of PDC's management that I like and there are some that I don't like. But I'm not going to accuse him of treating a player badly when all I know is that he's made a judgment based on football and finance. Oi Den!
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