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7:34am Friday 19th October 2007
Teenager Simon Messenger has launched a campaign after the National Front's decided to set up a youth branch in Chippenham.
The 18-year-old, who was viciously attacked by a group of youths last year, is busy organising a march against the extreme right wing group.
He said: "I am all for freedom of speech but the fact they exclude so many people from joining and they are targeting youngsters is disgusting.
"This will turn Chippenham into 1930s Germany with little Hitlers running around discriminating against the minorities.
"I cannot sit back and let it happen in Chippenham.
"I want people to protest with me because this group is actively segregating our community.
"I am aiming for more than 100 supporters and already know a lot of people who are interested in joining me.
"I will be setting up an Internet forum for people to express their views on this and to let them know what's happening and where.
"I am aiming for a two-hour march through Chippenham High Street in December to really hammer home the message that these racists are not welcome."
Simon, a youth worker at the Bridge Centre, was assaulted by a gang of 20 youths for wearing a leather cowboy hat, on the Town Bridge in October last year.
He suffered extensive injuries to his head and face.
The news of the march comes just days after the National Front backed down over plans to organise a march through the town itself. The group, which met last Sunday in Chippenham, have decided to set up a branch in the town after more than 30 supporters turned out.
Executive member Steve Reynold, said: "We are only here because so many people wanted us to come and set up a branch here."
Simon will be setting up his forum on the Myspace social networking Internet site in the next few weeks.
SwindonNF, Swindon says...
12:43pm Fri 19 Oct 07
rosco, Chippenham says...
12:52pm Fri 19 Oct 07
SwindonNF wrote:Sorry, no-one should expect to be attacked just by how they dress, no matter how different to other people.
Not the march LordBelacqua, they turned up for our MEETING. We havent had a march through Chippenham.
"Little Hitlers", thats a laugh. I hope that Simon Messenger realises by using damaging and defamating language like this with the aim of disrupting democracy, he might have left himself open to being sued.
We are indeed White Nationalists and not National Socialists. We have grown used to being labelled racists, fascists and haters, but absolutely draw the line at being accused of being members of Adolf Hitlers National Socialist party.
I think that assault on Mr Messenger has left him looking for a target to take it out on and he seen the National Front as an easy target.
Here is some advice Mr Messenger, whilst in general public, if you make yourself stand out by dressing like one of the characters from Brokeback Mountain, you are indeed making yourself a target for thugs.
I dont believe any members of the NF are responsible for this assault and it seems the only reason you added it into this story was to give the impression that it was us that beat you up.
SwindonNF, Swindon says...
1:00pm Fri 19 Oct 07
SwindonNF, Swindon says...
1:02pm Fri 19 Oct 07
joeydubya, leics says...
2:07pm Fri 19 Oct 07
TC, Town Centre, Chippenham says...
8:03pm Fri 19 Oct 07
walter, wilshur says...
8:20am Sat 20 Oct 07
SwindonNF, Swindon says...
10:43am Sat 20 Oct 07
Herman The Tosser, YO32 says...
8:04pm Sat 20 Oct 07
Don, Devizes says...
10:53pm Sat 20 Oct 07
Herman The Tosser wrote:Who? People from outside Haxby? Vikings? Lancastians? Explain.
SEND THEM BACK!
Herman The Tosser, YO32 says...
1:39am Sun 21 Oct 07
Ged, Chippenham says...
9:11am Sun 21 Oct 07
Herman The Tosser wrote:Couldn't have sex without one!
NIGRAS.
Tracey, Wilts says...
12:04pm Sun 21 Oct 07
Rowdey, Rowde says...
8:17pm Sun 21 Oct 07
SwindonNF, Swindon says...
11:19pm Sun 21 Oct 07
Rowdey wrote:There is no denying that admirers of Hitler and the Nazis have previously infiltrated White Nationalist organisations. They did it for their own reasons and for those people i cannot speak.
I tend to agree with Tracey here. No need for name calling. (No need for Herman at all). Simon does need to be clear why he's calling for a march and realize it will have little positive effect. By the same token I think that swindonNF does need to be honest and say that many members of the NF have an admiration for Hitler and his followers and like them believe in racial purity. If we get that then we can start a debate.
ChippBorn&Bred, Wiltshire says...
1:54pm Mon 22 Oct 07
SwindonNF, Swindon says...
2:07pm Mon 22 Oct 07
SwindonNF, Swindon says...
2:32pm Mon 22 Oct 07
ChippBorn&Bred wrote:Not only is forced multiculturalism not a good thing, it is, under international laws, against our human rights. We as White British people have the right to exist as people without the FORCED intergration of other races and cultures.
Can SwindonNF clear something up for me about the National front as I do not know much about them apart from what is in the press, which I appreciate can sometimes not paint the true picture. In previous posts you said that "British White Nationalist = Person who believes in the preservation of white national British identity, as opposed to forced multiculturalism." I agree that forced multiculturalism is not a good thing, but isn't people wanting to come to the UK because it is so good a positive thing (so long as those who come want to make a useful contribution to the UK)? Those who want to just live of the state I do not think are welcome (but then there are people that were born in the UK that are like that). I was born in Chippenham and i think its the greatest town, I think that the UK is the best country on the planet, but I don't care what race or sexual preference people are so long as they want to keep / help make the UK great. Isn't that what the NF should be about, the continued growth of a great UK utilising the skills and drive of anyone that wants to help?
ChippBorn&Bred, Wiltshire says...
3:23pm Mon 22 Oct 07
Tracey, Wilts says...
4:03pm Mon 22 Oct 07
Herman The Tosser, YO32 says...
4:47pm Mon 22 Oct 07
Tracey wrote:TBH anyone in their right mind would be depressed to the point of disability if they were married to you.
SwindonNF, I noticed you used Bradford as your example and couldn't resist adding my bit lol I lived in Bradford for a while, wqas married to a white man, yorkshire born and bred - I have to say he was lazy, ignorant and more workshy than any people from other nationalities that I met! Don't panic, I saw the light, found the M1 and escaped!! lol
Tracey, Wilts says...
10:04pm Mon 22 Oct 07
redcloud, Southampton says...
11:13pm Mon 22 Oct 07
redcloud, Southampton says...
11:21pm Mon 22 Oct 07
SwindonNF wrote:You are the worst kind of scum imaginable. Do you have ANY IDEA what it was like to see my brother in such a bad way? Don't take the ****. This march was my idea and I stand by every comment I make about you, evolution has moved past you and your pathetic excuses for 'keeping the country white' you are just a racist. Why can't you admit it? at least it would be honest.
Not the march LordBelacqua, they turned up for our MEETING. We havent had a march through Chippenham.
"Little Hitlers", thats a laugh. I hope that Simon Messenger realises by using damaging and defamating language like this with the aim of disrupting democracy, he might have left himself open to being sued.
We are indeed White Nationalists and not National Socialists. We have grown used to being labelled racists, fascists and haters, but absolutely draw the line at being accused of being members of Adolf Hitlers National Socialist party.
I think that assault on Mr Messenger has left him looking for a target to take it out on and he seen the National Front as an easy target.
Here is some advice Mr Messenger, whilst in general public, if you make yourself stand out by dressing like one of the characters from Brokeback Mountain, you are indeed making yourself a target for thugs.
I dont believe any members of the NF are responsible for this assault and it seems the only reason you added it into this story was to give the impression that it was us that beat you up.
Simonmessenger, Chippenham says...
11:48pm Mon 22 Oct 07
Herman The Tosser, YO32 says...
11:55pm Mon 22 Oct 07
Herman I don't think you've actually left wherever 'there' is, and is 'there' in Swindon by any chance?
Herman The Tosser, YO32 says...
12:05am Tue 23 Oct 07
It is our town and it is our home, and at home if you don't like something, you fix it!
Swindon NF: You're wit, poise and overall understanding of what usually is a delicate subject is phenomenal
Herman The Tosser, YO32 says...
1:20am Tue 23 Oct 07
Tracey wrote:Better than being back under a new abusive husband with a fat back tbh.
Herman, I am so glad you chose your own name, you put it so much more eloquently than the rest of us ever could! By the way, no-one is fooled - we all know you are really ggnore, back under a new disguise! lol
Herman The Tosser, YO32 says...
1:24am Tue 23 Oct 07
SwindonNF, Swindon says...
1:39am Tue 23 Oct 07
Simonmessenger wrote:OK, from the top.
Hello Sorry about all the confusion, that article is about 10% mine, and 90% fabrication. To anyone who was upset by my alleged 'little Hitlers' quote, you can't be mad at me because I didn't say it, give Scott at the Gazette in Chippenham a ring, I will be! However what I did say was that a strong concern of mine is that the targeted audience is the youth's in the schools, and no-one can deny that this is because youths are apathetic and constantly look to blame others for everything, forgive the mass generalisation, but largely it is true. We've all been there, Herman I don't think you've actually left wherever 'there' is, and is 'there' in Swindon by any chance? As for the comments on 7/7: This was a brutal and disgusting attack on our country by thugs, the same as every night there is a brutal and disgusting attack on one of our citizens by thugs. The colour of the skin is neither here nor there, and in fairness the only Muslims (a fair few I hasten to add) I have ever met were so outraged at the attack they were ashamed to be Muslims, but were proud to be British. Herman, sorry if you cant understand this anymore, there is a few rather large words here which, unfortunately for you, is integral to the argument. Get back down the pub mate, complain down there. We will not be marching to Swindon as, funnily enough, it isn't Chippenham. Reading often helps you understand things you know. Now, the main thing that has climbed up my shirt is the attack. What the attack has to do with my dislike of the NF is precisely this...naff-all! I don't know why it was printed; I don't know what relevance it could possibly have to anything outside of stories of violence, attack and British yob culture. So to anyone making brash claims... sorry you made a fool of yourself. Yes, the attack was, is and will always be a big part of my life, and however hard I try I cant ever seem to escape what happened a year ago. But can I say this; it has nothing to do with this march, this protest, the NF, the BNP, Adolf Bleedin Hitler, or even Winston Churchill. To those sticking up for me, thank-you very much, you're support is greatly appreciated and together we can make democracy something worthwhile, at least in our tiny town, after all, it is our town and it is our home, and at home if you don't like something, you fix it! Nearing the end now, this isn't my march, I, with my brother Chris, am organising this march in protest, but I am running it whilst he is away. Why he wasnt mentioned at all in the article I dont know. Swindon NF: You're wit, poise and overall understanding of what usually is a delicate subject is phenomenal, and you are one of two people in support of the NF I have met who has been able to comprehend arguments in a dignified manner, and express their views elegantly and often poetically...but if I was really in brokeback mountain, well you'd love that wouldn't you "Long-haired hippy type queer leads march against hitleresque NF"...gimme a break, I also wear a cap! Simon Messenger
SwindonNF, Swindon says...
1:42am Tue 23 Oct 07
SwindonNF, Swindon says...
2:38am Tue 23 Oct 07
Tracey wrote:I lived there for a few years too. Right in the heart of Manningham. It is a pure multi-cultural hellhole. When i say multi-cultural i mean 97% Pakistani Muslim. So please understand my views on immigrants come from first hand dealings with them. As much as the lefties like to stereotype everyone with a different view to them on immigration as "Brainwashed", my views are not without foundations. Nobody brainwashed me. I grew up around immigrants, i went to a predominantly muslim school and i know their general mentality. I know how fanatical MOST of them are. Where Simon was saying that the Muslims he knows where on 7/7, ashamed to be Muslim and proud to be British, i can imagine they where, whilst he was in their presence, but privately they will have approved of it.
SwindonNF, I noticed you used Bradford as your example and couldn't resist adding my bit lol I lived in Bradford for a while, wqas married to a white man, yorkshire born and bred - I have to say he was lazy, ignorant and more workshy than any people from other nationalities that I met! Don't panic, I saw the light, found the M1 and escaped!! lol
SwindonNF, Swindon says...
2:52am Tue 23 Oct 07
ChippBorn&Bred wrote:You would argue that minorities are only a burden when they are not lending a hand to the economy? Then i would argue that your argument is severely flawed. As i mentioned elsewhere on this news-site, here is a list of organisations, most of them funded by the taxpayer, that will not allow white members or provide a service to white people purely because of the colour of their skin:
"They are a burden and a hinderance on the indigenous people and a massive cost to the taxpayer." I would argue that this is only where they are not lending a hand and adding to the economy. I agree that people not learning the language is a bad thing and people should have to take a language test - which the government are going to implement (I may be wrong). As for those who choose not to speak English at school as their 1st language, this is wrong. I do not think anyone would disagree. I have not disputed with you that where things are forced it is a bad thing - but where it has not been forced it has worked. I know people who came to Britain at the request of the UK in the 50s following the war (these were also people who were under UK rule not through their choice but fought alongside British troops). They came here are worked hard and have contributed to the economy. As for the atrosities of 7/7, I think that this is disgusting and as for anyone saying it is justified - they are disgusting people (I have heard white people say the same). With regards not allowing immigration until we have 100% employment, do you really think that this is going to happen? They are old arguements, but are the fruits going to pick themselves? All the jobs that you and I do not want to do, immigrants are doing. Does not allowing immigration extend to those from Austrailia, New Zealand and the USA. Not all immigrants hate the UK, all some want to do is make a contribution. I agree that we should have 100% employment, who would not, but at least you are open to the fact that immigrants are not a bad thing and they can make a positive difference.
Anon, corsham says...
12:46pm Tue 23 Oct 07
Tracey, Wilts says...
12:51pm Tue 23 Oct 07
Tracey, Wilts says...
12:55pm Tue 23 Oct 07
SwindonNF, Swindon says...
1:19pm Tue 23 Oct 07
Anon wrote:It is a free country and I for one ENCOURAGE people to have their own opinions. Even if those opinions are the exact opposite to my own. In fact, i like talking to those people best as they add another point of view to the subject make the discussion interesting.
Sorry if im wrong but I thought this was a free country and everyone was allowed to have their own opinions to different things, maybe im wrong! Tracey I agree with you ggnore is in disguise!!!
redcloud, Southampton says...
2:50pm Tue 23 Oct 07
Herman The Tosser, YO32 says...
3:05pm Tue 23 Oct 07
Herman The Tosser, YO32 says...
3:07pm Tue 23 Oct 07
Dave, Wilts says...
10:50pm Tue 23 Oct 07
SwindonNF wrote:that has to be a p**s take...''in an effort to get us a bad name ''...are you having a laugh...you racist, NAZI, murdering scumbags have had a bad name since Moseley...and don't give me semantics...one and the same. Crawl back into your slimy hole.
P.S. i dont think Herman is a supporter of the NF at all. I believe he is a lefty that is posing as an NF supporter in an effort to get us a bad name. I can confirm he is NOT a party member, so please dont take that man seriously.
SwindonNF, Swindon says...
2:05am Wed 24 Oct 07
redcloud wrote:Little digs and snide remarks? Thats a joke coming from a man who only had personal insults and abuse to offer for his last 2 comments. I am totally sure that rant won you lots of support btw. You shown anyone reading that you are lacking in the ability of even basic discussion and do you think that little speech/rant had encouraged any peaceful person reading that to attend your march? I can tell you that you just put them right off. They now think you are after trouble.
Swindon NF, I've heard the arguments of your kind so many times that sometimes I can't be bothered to prove you wrong. I can be as eloquent as the next person and in fact I am currently reading for a degree in media and cultural studies. So you can take the argument personal if you like, with all your little digs and snide remarks but the fact remains that you still don't have a leg to stand on. You are here for the death rattle of your ideals as they slip down the evolutionary spiral to where they belong: The past. Now on a nicer note I believe what you say about the paper misquoting you, as it has happened to me a number of times. I think however that you will be able to read from the comments here that your 'club' is not wanted here and while I respect your right to an opinion were you ever to open said club I will show up in person with every black, Asian, queer, Muslim and free thinker I know and join the club. It would be illegal to turn us away would it not? I'm sorry for your bad experiences with Muslims in the past, but I have to say that they are just like you, they have their views and they stick to them. They do not all support terrorism, nor are they all terrorists and it's that small minded attitude that gets people angry with you. Most Muslims are regular people just like you, did you take the time to get to know any of them or learn about their culture when you lived among them? It will be easier for all concerned if you just carried on your business and left Chippenham off the agenda regarding 'clubs' and any 'exclusive membership' buildings.
SwindonNF, Swindon says...
2:27am Wed 24 Oct 07
Dave wrote:Well you "Communist Murdering Scumbags" have had a bad name since Stalin. (dont know why i bothered with this man. I dont usually get involved with name calling, its a bit too childish) I like that word you are using. RACIST. It was invented by a communist called Leon Trotsky. He used that word to describe the so-called Slovophiles, who were a people that were extremely proud of their heritage, doesnt this sound very familiar to this situation now?
SwindonNF wrote: P.S. i dont think Herman is a supporter of the NF at all. I believe he is a lefty that is posing as an NF supporter in an effort to get us a bad name. I can confirm he is NOT a party member, so please dont take that man seriously.that has to be a p**s take...''in an effort to get us a bad name ''...are you having a laugh...you racist, NAZI, murdering scumbags have had a bad name since Moseley...and don't give me semantics...one and the same. Crawl back into your slimy hole.
tyler durden, says...
11:01am Wed 24 Oct 07
Tracey, Wilts says...
1:04pm Wed 24 Oct 07
moonraker1, chippenham says...
3:46pm Wed 24 Oct 07
redcloud, Southampton says...
4:28pm Wed 24 Oct 07
SwindonNF wrote:My march and my politics are those of peace. I will not respond to any violence perpetrated against me and nor will anybody with me.
redcloud wrote:Little digs and snide remarks? Thats a joke coming from a man who only had personal insults and abuse to offer for his last 2 comments. I am totally sure that rant won you lots of support btw. You shown anyone reading that you are lacking in the ability of even basic discussion and do you think that little speech/rant had encouraged any peaceful person reading that to attend your march? I can tell you that you just put them right off. They now think you are after trouble.
Swindon NF, I've heard the arguments of your kind so many times that sometimes I can't be bothered to prove you wrong. I can be as eloquent as the next person and in fact I am currently reading for a degree in media and cultural studies. So you can take the argument personal if you like, with all your little digs and snide remarks but the fact remains that you still don't have a leg to stand on. You are here for the death rattle of your ideals as they slip down the evolutionary spiral to where they belong: The past. Now on a nicer note I believe what you say about the paper misquoting you, as it has happened to me a number of times. I think however that you will be able to read from the comments here that your 'club' is not wanted here and while I respect your right to an opinion were you ever to open said club I will show up in person with every black, Asian, queer, Muslim and free thinker I know and join the club. It would be illegal to turn us away would it not? I'm sorry for your bad experiences with Muslims in the past, but I have to say that they are just like you, they have their views and they stick to them. They do not all support terrorism, nor are they all terrorists and it's that small minded attitude that gets people angry with you. Most Muslims are regular people just like you, did you take the time to get to know any of them or learn about their culture when you lived among them? It will be easier for all concerned if you just carried on your business and left Chippenham off the agenda regarding 'clubs' and any 'exclusive membership' buildings.
Now the reporter has stirred things a bit here, trying to get the extreme right and the lefties at each others throats. He WANTED you to set up your march (and even fabricated a story about us to prompt you to do so and you fell for it hook line and sinker.) So if either of us marched and there was trouble, having the exlusive on that story wouldnt do his career the slightest bit of harm would it? If there was an all out riot, all the better for him.
The comments here have nothing to do with any decision to set up a unit in Chippenham. Nor do i for that matter. That decision lies with the NF members who reside in Chippenham. If they want to set up a local unit then that would be entirely up to them.
I am sorry to disappoint you on this, but it would not be illegal to refuse anyone a membership of the National Front for any reason at all. We reserve the right to accept or decline any membership requests that we receive.
However, if you want to cry about the unfairness of this, i would point out that the Black Police Association will not allow officers of the white persuasion to enter their ranks solely based on the colour of their skin. So is this illegal? or what about the Black student union? why cant white students join their org? If this is not illegal then why not?
Good luck with the march btw, I hope you dont get attacked by ANTIFA. They have a tendency to do that and then blame us.
All the best and i hope the weather holds off for you.
SwindonNF
redcloud, Southampton says...
4:42pm Wed 24 Oct 07
Herman The Tosser wrote:Look Herman. You are such a piece of **** that even the nazis have disowned you, how much further down do you want to go?
http://www.gazettean
dherald.co.uk/news/h
eadlines/display.var
.1778663.0.melinda_w
ants_to_move_back_ho
me.php
Any relation, Simon?
redcloud, Southampton says...
4:51pm Wed 24 Oct 07
LordBelacqua wrote:I agree with you, the article they wrote is rubbish. Simon was attacked by Chavs with no balls who need to attack in huge groups because they can't fight one on one. Simon did not even mention it to the best of my knowledge during the planning of our protest. Simon has also said that he has been egregiously misquoted throughout the article. The fact remains though, that the NF have repeatedly caused nothing but trouble througout recent history, with lots of violence and race crimes. I respect their right to an opinion, but the way they conduct themselves is abysmal and a disgrace to the freedom of speech laws they aspire to be fighting for.
Can I just ask what Simon's assault has to do with the National Front? Whilst I'm not advocating in any manner the party, it really does seem that trying to whip up hatred in this manner is no better than the activitys of the NF or BNP.
And hyperbole ("This will turn Chippenham into 1930s Germany with little Hitlers running around discriminating against the minorities.") like this really does no good at all. 30 people, out of all of chippenham, turned up at their march. Hardly the Storming of the Reichstagg.
Curious, Chippenham says...
7:46pm Wed 24 Oct 07
Dave, Wilts says...
10:50pm Wed 24 Oct 07
SwindonNF, Swindon says...
1:30am Thu 25 Oct 07
redcloud wrote:Your march and politics is about peace? I was just remarking on how Antifa have on a few occasions, posed as members of the NF and United British Alliance, when they have attacked Socialist Workers Party activists.
SwindonNF wrote:My march and my politics are those of peace. I will not respond to any violence perpetrated against me and nor will anybody with me. My ability to discuss/debate has been highly praised by a number of academics and other intelligent people so that little dig gets you nowhere. I disagree with the black police and others who segregate the same as I do with your organisation and I'd lobby just as hard were something like that to happen here. I'm against ANY segregation. The reporters article, though in error should show you how welcome you and your comments are, however as for 'falling for it' I don't agree because either way I've still proved a point. I love the underhanded tactic of being deliberatly inflammatory and then making out like I'M the violent yob. Nice. I'm non violent. can you honestly say you are?redcloud wrote: Swindon NF, I've heard the arguments of your kind so many times that sometimes I can't be bothered to prove you wrong. I can be as eloquent as the next person and in fact I am currently reading for a degree in media and cultural studies. So you can take the argument personal if you like, with all your little digs and snide remarks but the fact remains that you still don't have a leg to stand on. You are here for the death rattle of your ideals as they slip down the evolutionary spiral to where they belong: The past. Now on a nicer note I believe what you say about the paper misquoting you, as it has happened to me a number of times. I think however that you will be able to read from the comments here that your 'club' is not wanted here and while I respect your right to an opinion were you ever to open said club I will show up in person with every black, Asian, queer, Muslim and free thinker I know and join the club. It would be illegal to turn us away would it not? I'm sorry for your bad experiences with Muslims in the past, but I have to say that they are just like you, they have their views and they stick to them. They do not all support terrorism, nor are they all terrorists and it's that small minded attitude that gets people angry with you. Most Muslims are regular people just like you, did you take the time to get to know any of them or learn about their culture when you lived among them? It will be easier for all concerned if you just carried on your business and left Chippenham off the agenda regarding 'clubs' and any 'exclusive membership' buildings.Little digs and snide remarks? Thats a joke coming from a man who only had personal insults and abuse to offer for his last 2 comments. I am totally sure that rant won you lots of support btw. You shown anyone reading that you are lacking in the ability of even basic discussion and do you think that little speech/rant had encouraged any peaceful person reading that to attend your march? I can tell you that you just put them right off. They now think you are after trouble. Now the reporter has stirred things a bit here, trying to get the extreme right and the lefties at each others throats. He WANTED you to set up your march (and even fabricated a story about us to prompt you to do so and you fell for it hook line and sinker.) So if either of us marched and there was trouble, having the exlusive on that story wouldnt do his career the slightest bit of harm would it? If there was an all out riot, all the better for him. The comments here have nothing to do with any decision to set up a unit in Chippenham. Nor do i for that matter. That decision lies with the NF members who reside in Chippenham. If they want to set up a local unit then that would be entirely up to them. I am sorry to disappoint you on this, but it would not be illegal to refuse anyone a membership of the National Front for any reason at all. We reserve the right to accept or decline any membership requests that we receive. However, if you want to cry about the unfairness of this, i would point out that the Black Police Association will not allow officers of the white persuasion to enter their ranks solely based on the colour of their skin. So is this illegal? or what about the Black student union? why cant white students join their org? If this is not illegal then why not? Good luck with the march btw, I hope you dont get attacked by ANTIFA. They have a tendency to do that and then blame us. All the best and i hope the weather holds off for you. SwindonNF
SwindonNF, Swindon says...
2:17am Thu 25 Oct 07
redcloud wrote:You know i am going to ask you to back up what you are saying here dont you? Please name a time in recent history that a member of the NF has commited a violent or race crime.
LordBelacqua wrote: Can I just ask what Simon's assault has to do with the National Front? Whilst I'm not advocating in any manner the party, it really does seem that trying to whip up hatred in this manner is no better than the activitys of the NF or BNP. And hyperbole ("This will turn Chippenham into 1930s Germany with little Hitlers running around discriminating against the minorities.") like this really does no good at all. 30 people, out of all of chippenham, turned up at their march. Hardly the Storming of the Reichstagg.I agree with you, the article they wrote is rubbish. Simon was attacked by Chavs with no balls who need to attack in huge groups because they can't fight one on one. Simon did not even mention it to the best of my knowledge during the planning of our protest. Simon has also said that he has been egregiously misquoted throughout the article. The fact remains though, that the NF have repeatedly caused nothing but trouble througout recent history, with lots of violence and race crimes. I respect their right to an opinion, but the way they conduct themselves is abysmal and a disgrace to the freedom of speech laws they aspire to be fighting for.
Herman The Tosser, YO32 says...
3:25am Thu 25 Oct 07
redcloud wrote:LMAO, calm down. If nobody cares, why did you bother replying?
Herman The Tosser wrote:Look Herman. You are such a piece of **** that even the nazis have disowned you, how much further down do you want to go?
http://www.gazettean
dherald.co.uk/news/h
eadlines/display.var
.1778663.0.melinda_w
ants_to_move_back_ho
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Any relation, Simon?
Leave the women on here alone and just go away. Neither me nor my brother are related to Melinda Messenger BTW shithead. I'll say that me and Swindon NF are never gonna be friends but even he thinks you are a ****. might be all we'll ever agree on. Nobody cares. Go home.
redcloud, Southampton says...
9:55pm Thu 25 Oct 07
SwindonNF wrote:You have proved that you are a liar. The NF are openly responsible for a number of hate crimes throughout recent history.
redcloud wrote:Your march and politics is about peace? I was just remarking on how Antifa have on a few occasions, posed as members of the NF and United British Alliance, when they have attacked Socialist Workers Party activists.
SwindonNF wrote:My march and my politics are those of peace. I will not respond to any violence perpetrated against me and nor will anybody with me. My ability to discuss/debate has been highly praised by a number of academics and other intelligent people so that little dig gets you nowhere. I disagree with the black police and others who segregate the same as I do with your organisation and I'd lobby just as hard were something like that to happen here. I'm against ANY segregation. The reporters article, though in error should show you how welcome you and your comments are, however as for 'falling for it' I don't agree because either way I've still proved a point. I love the underhanded tactic of being deliberatly inflammatory and then making out like I'M the violent yob. Nice. I'm non violent. can you honestly say you are?redcloud wrote: Swindon NF, I've heard the arguments of your kind so many times that sometimes I can't be bothered to prove you wrong. I can be as eloquent as the next person and in fact I am currently reading for a degree in media and cultural studies. So you can take the argument personal if you like, with all your little digs and snide remarks but the fact remains that you still don't have a leg to stand on. You are here for the death rattle of your ideals as they slip down the evolutionary spiral to where they belong: The past. Now on a nicer note I believe what you say about the paper misquoting you, as it has happened to me a number of times. I think however that you will be able to read from the comments here that your 'club' is not wanted here and while I respect your right to an opinion were you ever to open said club I will show up in person with every black, Asian, queer, Muslim and free thinker I know and join the club. It would be illegal to turn us away would it not? I'm sorry for your bad experiences with Muslims in the past, but I have to say that they are just like you, they have their views and they stick to them. They do not all support terrorism, nor are they all terrorists and it's that small minded attitude that gets people angry with you. Most Muslims are regular people just like you, did you take the time to get to know any of them or learn about their culture when you lived among them? It will be easier for all concerned if you just carried on your business and left Chippenham off the agenda regarding 'clubs' and any 'exclusive membership' buildings.Little digs and snide remarks? Thats a joke coming from a man who only had personal insults and abuse to offer for his last 2 comments. I am totally sure that rant won you lots of support btw. You shown anyone reading that you are lacking in the ability of even basic discussion and do you think that little speech/rant had encouraged any peaceful person reading that to attend your march? I can tell you that you just put them right off. They now think you are after trouble. Now the reporter has stirred things a bit here, trying to get the extreme right and the lefties at each others throats. He WANTED you to set up your march (and even fabricated a story about us to prompt you to do so and you fell for it hook line and sinker.) So if either of us marched and there was trouble, having the exlusive on that story wouldnt do his career the slightest bit of harm would it? If there was an all out riot, all the better for him. The comments here have nothing to do with any decision to set up a unit in Chippenham. Nor do i for that matter. That decision lies with the NF members who reside in Chippenham. If they want to set up a local unit then that would be entirely up to them. I am sorry to disappoint you on this, but it would not be illegal to refuse anyone a membership of the National Front for any reason at all. We reserve the right to accept or decline any membership requests that we receive. However, if you want to cry about the unfairness of this, i would point out that the Black Police Association will not allow officers of the white persuasion to enter their ranks solely based on the colour of their skin. So is this illegal? or what about the Black student union? why cant white students join their org? If this is not illegal then why not? Good luck with the march btw, I hope you dont get attacked by ANTIFA. They have a tendency to do that and then blame us. All the best and i hope the weather holds off for you. SwindonNF
Your ability to discuss and debate was shown with your first two comments. You really let everyone reading this discussion see your true colours.
So you disagree with the Black Police Association then and would take action against their presence in Chippenham would you? Well to my knowledge, there are several members of the Black Police Association as well as a few from the UK Black teachers association residing in Chippenham and i am pretty sure there will be in the educational establishment you are studying at, as there is one in nearly every college/uni, a presence of the Black Student Union. But i dont see you marching against them. I just see you are going straight for the white b-stards.
The reporters article was nothing more than an attempt to stir up a hornets nest. I would say titling this as "In Error" would be a huge understatement. It was nearly all complete fiction, straight from the imagination of the reporter. If the point that you set out to prove is that you are a very easily lead, nieve individual who will swallow everything you read in the press, then congratulations, you proved it.
I didnt need to make out you where the violent yob. You did that yourself. Look through earlier posts. Can i honestly say i am non-violent? Of course i can.
redcloud, Southampton says...
10:22pm Thu 25 Oct 07
Eddie3101015, Reading says...
12:42am Fri 26 Oct 07
SwindonNF, Swindon says...
1:16am Fri 26 Oct 07
Eddie3101015 wrote:Well of the 30 arrested Eddie, How many where actually found guilty of a crime? Is it none?
I'm with Chris and Simon on this one. The National Front is a disgrace and I'm ashamed to live in a country where this Nazism is permitted. As far as I'm concerned, the NF and similar groups are the biggest problem in today's society not ethnic minorites. Our cosmopolitan culture should be celebrated. In the words of Bill Etherington MP, after the arrest of 30 NF members in Sunderland 2001 (is that enough for you SwindonNF), "The only thing the National Front has got to offer the human race is hatred". I think that says it all. Enough said.
SwindonNF, Swindon says...
1:48am Fri 26 Oct 07
Simonmessenger, Chippenham says...
12:27pm Fri 26 Oct 07
SwindonNF, Swindon says...
7:44pm Fri 26 Oct 07
redcloud, Southampton says...
1:06pm Sun 28 Oct 07
LHotel, Chippenham says...
1:42pm Sun 28 Oct 07
NF, Swindon says...
2:08pm Sun 28 Oct 07
Rowdey, Rowde says...
4:29pm Sun 28 Oct 07
NF, Swindon says...
7:19pm Sun 28 Oct 07
SwindonNF, Swindon says...
7:00pm Mon 29 Oct 07
NF wrote:You are wrong on one thing, lad. where you say:
As stated earlier, ' Please grow up.' are you not the person who said that we also support Hitler? Where did this come from? One of your other websites you support no doubt. Another thing is the Police are a non-racist organisation, so why would black people need extra support? Unless your calling the Police racists? People should have tried to integrate rather than always change things, prehaps this is another reason why British people are fed-up, they have to fight to keep things as they were, keep things British. Again if you stand up and say, 'when in Rome....,' then again you are racist. Another thing is, why is it that other religions have supporters groups, where as only black groups find it necessary for the support of a colour rather than religion, (do they not support other races?) such as the Christian Police Assoc and the Muslim one? The National Front also supports its members both from bigots that are against British people and are anti-British establishment; 'so not supporting but attacking, different tack don't you think?'
SwindonNF, Swindon says...
5:21pm Thu 1 Nov 07
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LordBelacqua, Swindon says...
8:58am Fri 19 Oct 07
And hyperbole ("This will turn Chippenham into 1930s Germany with little Hitlers running around discriminating against the minorities.") like this really does no good at all. 30 people, out of all of chippenham, turned up at their march. Hardly the Storming of the Reichstagg.