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Solstice not so peaceful

9:51am Friday 22nd June 2007

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Its funny as most news stories only covers parts of the story......this is what i read and saw after being there at Stonehenge myself and seeing News reports.

I have written to the English Heritage for the second year running to complain about the disgraceful behavior of the open access for the celebration of Litha.

It is a travesty that a sacred monument can be treated in this way.

Many people from around the world came to view the sunrise and see how England celebrates this occasion.

Speaking to many foreigners and fellow spiritual people....they were appalled to find what was happening.

Not only where people yet again standing on the stones and trying to take a little home with them...But the binge drinking of party goers and the foul language ruined it to a degree, people would not even go in the stone circle.

People where drunk to the extent that they couldn't walk....bodies every where...........drugs being sold freely and people looking for acid, speed and weed where shouting without a care for the police and steward presence.

The stewards where trying their best to keep people from the stones, but there was not enough stewards around the stones to be able to protect them.

Not only that, but the walk to and from the stones had NO steward presence so this was a area of pushing, shoving, insult throwing, buying drugs, having open sex, exposing ones self to urinate in front of others and just a intimidating area. The stewards where at the beginning of the walk and end.

We saw one gentleman who had been hit in his face and had blood coming down his nose from a confrontation.

There where 24 thousand people who attended and only 4 arrests, that is because MOST people just let things go and took the behavior of others.

This isn't what Stone henge and open access should be like is it?

My 15 year old daughter was sexually harassed and touched up whilst in the stone circle.......we was hit and bashed in to and this wasn't just with in the circle.

We was insulted and pushed about by fellow Party goers.

85% of the people there thought that open access was for a huge party and nothing else. They had no regard for why there was open access, what the stones were or why many people whom they said where in "costumes" where there.

I have been under the understanding that the English heritage had give OPEN ACCESS for a spiritual nature to let Wiccan's/Pagans, Druids and the like to celebrate Litha/summer solstice as we consider Stone Henge our sacred alter.

If I was to go to a nightclub I wouldn't be as worried for our safety...here ...we were witness to people having sex in the fields...drug users.....people so drunk that couldn't even stand.....violence and the threat of violence.......

Even after speaking to many druids and Wiccan's there, many of them had been insulted and ask why they where there dressed in costume as its a party for glastonbury NOT what in fact the English heritage had allowed access for all those years ago.

What will it take for the English heritage to finally act and do something about this disgraceful spectacle? A stabbing? A murder?

RULES ARE not FOLLOWED...AND WE WITNESSED even the stewards letting people off with the so called rules following...lit fires.....amplified music......drugs......glass bottles which where smashed.........Boy racers in the car park..............

What must visitors that come to one of the most scared sites in England think.?

We met people who had come from Australia and the USA and they said it was disgraceful and they wouldn't have come if they knew there was no respect and would have to worry for there safety.

Many of the people who you supposing gave access for to celebrate will not even attend the stones now due to the atmosphere here.

How can that be right?

Why does Glastonbury festival have to coincide with Litha? The 21st of June?

Surely this would be one way of stopping the disgraceful behavior?

Yule 21st December is so much better........people whom open access is for actually turn up and respect the stones......there are not the drunken louts that attend during Litha.

Surely one way around all of this would be to not allow alcohol ?

I really find it hard to understand how people are supposed to try and help make Stonehenge one of the 7 wonders of the world, when people are allowed to behave like this.

You wouldn't let a 2 year old child play with a 1600 valuable vase so why would you allow people like this to deface one of England's most sacred sites?

I asked these questions last year when I thought it was bad..and I was ignored via the English heritage...... This year was even worse..and I have photo's and video footage as proof.

Nicola Hampsey


Your Say YourThe Wiltshire Gazette and Herald

viziondanz, glastonbury says...
2:53am Wed 27 Jun 07

I am a member of the round table, the body that negotiates with all interested parties the issues surrounding the summer solstice at stonehenge.

I am sorry that your experience was not so comfortable for you - there are so many factors and intereststs that need to be taken into account when planning and executing the solstice celebration, at the end of the day it is all a delicate balance - it is real life happenning with some degree of control

the one thing that English Heritage does very well and that i totally agree with is to keep the stones experience secular - that is
neutral - not druid, not pagan, not christian, not hippy, not anything in particular - no ownership other than "the people"

the value of the solstice experience is the experience of freedom - self expression - yelling, chanting, dancing meditating, however each individual is moved.

healing through a moment of chaos - in that experience individuals have access to their flame, their essence not bound by concept/conditioning
, culture - this is the power and magic of the solstice experience - yes its not always conceptually "pretty" but it is always powerful

the druid/pagan ceremonies might just glimpse the escatic experience possibly, but what happens for many ordianary folk is a sustained lifechanging experience that has no form or religion, no explainations needed because the
experience itself does the work

people's lives change through this experience and they maybe drunk and difficult one year and the next they are helping with the difficult people - people are where they are - if anyone is disturbed and distracted from their own inner connection/peace, they need to work harder at making and maintaing that
connection, not blame others for losing it

i had an amazing time and i was totally high without drugs, smoke or alcohol - positive experiences with almost everyone including those inebriated.

religion is what human beings do when they are not having a real experience

if you have issues to discuss, i invite you to attend a round table meeting as my guest - contact me at - viziondanz at infinitepossibility dot org

freedom is precious and cannot be defined by anyone!
:)
brian

http://myspace.com/v
iziondanz

NicolaHampsey, Basingstoke says...
7:26pm Tue 3 Jul 07

I understand totally what are you are saying Brian.....

BUT and I SAY BUT....Having a wee and exposing a penis to youngsters?
This isn't acceptable in normal street life......You would be arrested for this......

Openly being drunken and aggressive to minors and being insulting and rude to others....this isn't "healing through a moment of chaos" This is............. Guys being **** out of their head having fun. Again you would be cautioned or arrested for this.

Take last year 2006 ...Louts where drunk and standing on the stones bellowing "COME ON England" and "**** SWEDEN".....

Could you explain the spirituality in that? Aggressive and foul language whilst spitting beer out, waving a flag and standing on stones?

There isn't anything spiritual about this.

Maybe banning alcohol would be a solution.....as you say...."you didn't take any thing to get a high"..... And "The value of the solstice experience is the experience of freedom - self expression - yelling, chanting, dancing meditating, however each individual is moved."

I totally agree with the above....... But the over indulgence of these substances Ruins everything to many people's experience..........
.This is being said by hundreds of people..........I actually have at this moment in time 300 people who support me on this.

A web site www.myspace.com/save
lithaatstonehenge

And many more who are signing petitions.

This is the law on alcohol in Public places....so the police have the right to stop the drinking if this is what it comes down to at the end of the day.

The Criminal Justice and Police Act 2001 (CJPA) gave local authorities the power to designate public areas through the introduction of a DPPO where it is an offence to drink alcohol after being required by a police officer not to do so. The police have the power to require individuals to surrender the alcohol and any opened or sealed containers, and if they fail to comply with the request they can be arrested. The powers – which replaced the old drinking byelaws - were introduced to help the police deal with the problems of anti-social drinking in the public space. DPPOs make it easier for local authorities to designate places where restrictions on public drinking will apply and can be used in areas that have experienced alcohol-related disorder or nuisance.

You say "it is all a delicate balance - it is real life happening with some degree of control"

I would say more 60- 40 to the lager louts this year that was there.

I would be interested in discussing this in further detail with you.

Nicola Hampsey

venusofwillendorf, Arizona, US says...
9:09am Wed 4 Jul 07

How would Brian feel if those thousands of drunken, rude, loud, disrespectful, drug dealers, lewd, irreverent, chaotic youths came to a Christian church for a Christian holiday celebration, such as Christmas; and peed on people as they entered the church, had sex in the aisles, stood upon the alter screaming, puking, and passing out, took pieces of sacred items for souvenirs, pushed, shoved, had violent altercations, broke beer bottles all over the floor, profanity, trash all over the floor, and basically infringing upon the rights of others, and defacing a holy temple. From his answer to you, Nicola, Brian comes off sounding like a lout.
Brian goes on to state, "...the one thing that English Heritage does very well and that i totally agree with is to keep the stones experience secular - that is neutral -not druid, not pagan, not christian, not hippy, not anything in particular - no ownership other than 'the people'." But Litha is a Pagan holiday and the Stones are not secular, they are a Pagan temple and Pagans deserve to worship there, just as Christmas is a Christian holiday and deserves to be celebrated in a Christian temple. This applies to any religion for that matter. The Stones are not a "secular" experience. They are a religious temple to many people. And I think someone, somewhere should be looking out for the rights of Pagans as stringently as they have been looking out for the rights of Christians for thousands of years. There are too many of us to go unheard anymore. There is not much I can do at this time as I am an American, but I am a Pagan and support this cause 100%. I hope someday to be able to visit Stonehenge, and I don't want to have to fight my way through a mass of rude, lewd, brainless, stoned, **** to visit what I consider a holy temple. If at anytime I can be of any help, I will be glad to do so.
Blessed be. ~venusofwillendorf~


venusofwillendorf, Arizona, US says...
9:12am Wed 4 Jul 07

How would Brian feel if those thousands of drunken, rude, loud, disrespectful, drug dealers, lewd, irreverent, chaotic youths came to a Christian church for a Christian holiday celebration, such as Christmas; and peed on people as they entered the church, had sex in the aisles, stood upon the alter screaming, puking, and passing out, took pieces of sacred items for souvenirs, pushed, shoved, had violent altercations, broke beer bottles all over the floor, profanity, trash all over the floor, and basically infringing upon the rights of others, and defacing a holy temple. From his answer to you, Nicola, Brian comes off sounding like a lout.
Brian goes on to state, "...the one thing that English Heritage does very well and that i totally agree with is to keep the stones experience secular - that is neutral -not druid, not pagan, not christian, not hippy, not anything in particular - no ownership other than 'the people'." But Litha is a Pagan holiday and the Stones are not secular, they are a Pagan temple and Pagans deserve to worship there, just as Christmas is a Christian holiday and deserves to be celebrated in a Christian temple. This applies to any religion for that matter. The Stones are not a "secular" experience. They are a religious temple to many people. And I think someone, somewhere should be looking out for the rights of Pagans as stringently as they have been looking out for the rights of Christians for thousands of years. There are too many of us to go unheard anymore. There is not much I can do at this time as I am an American, but I am a Pagan and support this cause 100%. I hope someday to be able to visit Stonehenge, and I don't want to have to fight my way through a mass of rude, lewd, brainless, stoned, **** to visit what I consider a holy temple. If at anytime I can be of any help, I will be glad to do so.
Blessed be. ~venusofwillendorf~


venusofwillendorf, Arizona, US says...
9:25am Wed 4 Jul 07

How would Brian feel if those thousands of drunken, rude, loud, disrespectful, drug dealers, lewd, irreverent, chaotic youths came to a Christian church for a Christian holiday celebration, such as Christmas; and peed on people as they entered the church, had sex in the aisles, stood upon the alter screaming, puking, and passing out, took pieces of sacred items for souvenirs, pushed, shoved, had violent altercations, broke beer bottles all over the floor, profanity, trash all over the floor, and basically infringing upon the rights of others, and defacing a holy temple. From his answer to you, Nicola, Brian comes off sounding like a lout.
Brian goes on to state, "...the one thing that English Heritage does very well and that i totally agree with is to keep the stones experience secular - that is neutral -not druid, not pagan, not christian, not hippy, not anything in particular - no ownership other than 'the people'." But Litha is a Pagan holiday and the Stones are not secular, they are a Pagan temple and Pagans deserve to worship there, just as Christmas is a Christian holiday and deserves to be celebrated in a Christian temple. This applies to any religion for that matter. The Stones are not a "secular" experience. They are a religious temple to many people. And I think someone, somewhere should be looking out for the rights of Pagans as stringently as they have been looking out for the rights of Christians for thousands of years. There are too many of us to go unheard anymore. There is not much I can do at this time as I am an American, but I am a Pagan and support this cause 100%. I hope someday to be able to visit Stonehenge, and I don't want to have to fight my way through a mass of rude, lewd, brainless, stoned, **** to visit what I consider a holy temple. If at anytime I can be of any help, I will be glad to do so.
Blessed be. ~venusofwillendorf~


venusofwillendorf, Arizona, US says...
9:26am Wed 4 Jul 07

How would Brian feel if those thousands of drunken, rude, loud, disrespectful, drug dealers, lewd, irreverent, chaotic youths came to a Christian church for a Christian holiday celebration, such as Christmas; and peed on people as they entered the church, had sex in the aisles, stood upon the alter screaming, puking, and passing out, took pieces of sacred items for souvenirs, pushed, shoved, had violent altercations, broke beer bottles all over the floor, profanity, trash all over the floor, and basically infringing upon the rights of others, and defacing a holy temple. From his answer to you, Nicola, Brian comes off sounding like a lout.
Brian goes on to state, "...the one thing that English Heritage does very well and that i totally agree with is to keep the stones experience secular - that is neutral -not druid, not pagan, not christian, not hippy, not anything in particular - no ownership other than 'the people'." But Litha is a Pagan holiday and the Stones are not secular, they are a Pagan temple and Pagans deserve to worship there, just as Christmas is a Christian holiday and deserves to be celebrated in a Christian temple. This applies to any religion for that matter. The Stones are not a "secular" experience. They are a religious temple to many people. And I think someone, somewhere should be looking out for the rights of Pagans as stringently as they have been looking out for the rights of Christians for thousands of years. There are too many of us to go unheard anymore. There is not much I can do at this time as I am an American, but I am a Pagan and support this cause 100%. I hope someday to be able to visit Stonehenge, and I don't want to have to fight my way through a mass of rude, lewd, brainless, stoned, **** to visit what I consider a holy temple. If at anytime I can be of any help, I will be glad to do so.
Blessed be. ~venusofwillendorf~


venusofwillendorf, Arizona, US says...
9:26am Wed 4 Jul 07

How would Brian feel if those thousands of drunken, rude, loud, disrespectful, drug dealers, lewd, irreverent, chaotic youths came to a Christian church for a Christian holiday celebration, such as Christmas; and peed on people as they entered the church, had sex in the aisles, stood upon the alter screaming, puking, and passing out, took pieces of sacred items for souvenirs, pushed, shoved, had violent altercations, broke beer bottles all over the floor, profanity, trash all over the floor, and basically infringing upon the rights of others, and defacing a holy temple. From his answer to you, Nicola, Brian comes off sounding like a lout.
Brian goes on to state, "...the one thing that English Heritage does very well and that i totally agree with is to keep the stones experience secular - that is neutral -not druid, not pagan, not christian, not hippy, not anything in particular - no ownership other than 'the people'." But Litha is a Pagan holiday and the Stones are not secular, they are a Pagan temple and Pagans deserve to worship there, just as Christmas is a Christian holiday and deserves to be celebrated in a Christian temple. This applies to any religion for that matter. The Stones are not a "secular" experience. They are a religious temple to many people. And I think someone, somewhere should be looking out for the rights of Pagans as stringently as they have been looking out for the rights of Christians for thousands of years. There are too many of us to go unheard anymore. There is not much I can do at this time as I am an American, but I am a Pagan and support this cause 100%. I hope someday to be able to visit Stonehenge, and I don't want to have to fight my way through a mass of rude, lewd, brainless, stoned, **** to visit what I consider a holy temple. If at anytime I can be of any help, I will be glad to do so.
Blessed be. ~venusofwillendorf~


venusofwillendorf, Arizona, US says...
9:26am Wed 4 Jul 07

How would Brian feel if those thousands of drunken, rude, loud, disrespectful, drug dealers, lewd, irreverent, chaotic youths came to a Christian church for a Christian holiday celebration, such as Christmas; and peed on people as they entered the church, had sex in the aisles, stood upon the alter screaming, puking, and passing out, took pieces of sacred items for souvenirs, pushed, shoved, had violent altercations, broke beer bottles all over the floor, profanity, trash all over the floor, and basically infringing upon the rights of others, and defacing a holy temple. From his answer to you, Nicola, Brian comes off sounding like a lout.
Brian goes on to state, "...the one thing that English Heritage does very well and that i totally agree with is to keep the stones experience secular - that is neutral -not druid, not pagan, not christian, not hippy, not anything in particular - no ownership other than 'the people'." But Litha is a Pagan holiday and the Stones are not secular, they are a Pagan temple and Pagans deserve to worship there, just as Christmas is a Christian holiday and deserves to be celebrated in a Christian temple. This applies to any religion for that matter. The Stones are not a "secular" experience. They are a religious temple to many people. And I think someone, somewhere should be looking out for the rights of Pagans as stringently as they have been looking out for the rights of Christians for thousands of years. There are too many of us to go unheard anymore. There is not much I can do at this time as I am an American, but I am a Pagan and support this cause 100%. I hope someday to be able to visit Stonehenge, and I don't want to have to fight my way through a mass of rude, lewd, brainless, stoned, **** to visit what I consider a holy temple. If at anytime I can be of any help, I will be glad to do so.
Blessed be. ~venusofwillendorf~


venusofwillendorf, Arizona, US says...
9:27am Wed 4 Jul 07

How would Brian feel if those thousands of drunken, rude, loud, disrespectful, drug dealers, lewd, irreverent, chaotic youths came to a Christian church for a Christian holiday celebration, such as Christmas; and peed on people as they entered the church, had sex in the aisles, stood upon the alter screaming, puking, and passing out, took pieces of sacred items for souvenirs, pushed, shoved, had violent altercations, broke beer bottles all over the floor, profanity, trash all over the floor, and basically infringing upon the rights of others, and defacing a holy temple. From his answer to you, Nicola, Brian comes off sounding like a lout.
Brian goes on to state, "...the one thing that English Heritage does very well and that i totally agree with is to keep the stones experience secular - that is neutral -not druid, not pagan, not christian, not hippy, not anything in particular - no ownership other than 'the people'." But Litha is a Pagan holiday and the Stones are not secular, they are a Pagan temple and Pagans deserve to worship there, just as Christmas is a Christian holiday and deserves to be celebrated in a Christian temple. This applies to any religion for that matter. The Stones are not a "secular" experience. They are a religious temple to many people. And I think someone, somewhere should be looking out for the rights of Pagans as stringently as they have been looking out for the rights of Christians for thousands of years. There are too many of us to go unheard anymore. There is not much I can do at this time as I am an American, but I am a Pagan and support this cause 100%. I hope someday to be able to visit Stonehenge, and I don't want to have to fight my way through a mass of rude, lewd, brainless, stoned, **** to visit what I consider a holy temple. If at anytime I can be of any help, I will be glad to do so.
Blessed be. ~venusofwillendorf~


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