EXCLUSIVE: The first interview with new Town chairman Sir William Patey (From The Wiltshire Gazette and Herald)
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EXCLUSIVE: The first interview with new Town chairman Sir William Patey
6:00am Tuesday 16th October 2012 in Sport Exclusive By Sam Morshead
New Town chairman Sir William Patey
HAVING dealt with the war-torn nations of Afghanistan and Iraq, the political landscape at Swindon Town is hardly hazardous territory for new Robins chairman Sir Williams Patey.
Patey, the former British ambassador in Kabul and Baghdad, was officially appointed to the County Ground role yesterday after the decision was made by majority shareholder Andrew Black to replace former chief Jeremy Wray.
The 59-year-old may soon be having to diffuse Paolo Di Canio post-match bombshells on a regular basis, but, after becoming accustomed to the shell-shocked cities of the Middle East as his everyday working environment, Patey is convinced he will be able to settle quickly and comfortably into his role.
He told the Advertiser: “It’s a great challenge but it’s no greater than the challenge of landing in Kabul and taking control of the biggest embassy in the world in the middle of a war zone, or being sent into Iraq in 2005 with the words from Tony Blair ringing in my ears to form a constitution and establish a free election and democracy.
“A football club is an organisation just like any other organisation. It is an organism, with people working together. “Relationships are important.”
Patey may be used to dealing with the Taliban but he’ll be confronted with a whole new set of negotiations when Di Canio comes knocking on his door asking for funds to continue Swindon’s pursuit of a Championship place.
The man from Dundee, knighted in 2009, met the Robins’ enigmatic and brilliantly controversial manager for the first time last Friday and he was immediately struck by the qualities those in Wiltshire who have come to know Di Canio are well used to.
“Since I took on this role a number of friends have been sending me YouTube videos of Paolo and how he is,” he said.
“I met him on Friday and it was clear that he is a man full of passion and commitment. He wants the club to have success.
“I’m looking forward to working with him.
“There is a three-year plan at this football club. Of course if it is achievable in two years then that is fantastic but the plan is there for three years.”
And what of Sir William the individual? We all recognise the gravitas is draped all over his CV, but what is his relationship with football?
The chairmanship of Swindon will be his first role within sport, but that does not mean he is a stranger to the game.
“I’m a lifelong football fan, although not Swindon,” he said. “I was brought up in Edinburgh and so I’m a Hibernian fan. I’m well aware of the ups and downs and so I know what Swindon fans go through.
“I know all about the emotion of football and the passion of the game.
“I used to play football, though not to any professional standard, and I played right the way through until I was 40 with a team called Old Richmond Lock.
“I’ve just come out of a long diplomatic career and what I bring to the club is a focus on leadership, I like to think I bring good management ability."
The outgoing Wray was quick to praise the character and ability of his successor yesterday and Patey was equally as glowing in his assessment of his predecessor. “Jeremy has been a tremendous servant to the club and I wish him well,” he said.
“It was originally discussed that he might have stayed on the board in another role and I would have enjoyed working with him but he has chosen not to do that.
“Jeremy focused 100 per cent on the football aspects of the club. The owners feel that the commercial side of the club needs to be given the right attention and that the football side of the club is aware of the commercial side.”
Comments(107)
robstfc
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6:48am Tue 16 Oct 12
louiscassius
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6:58am Tue 16 Oct 12
who am i wrote:My thughts excactly!!
Interesting....
“There is a three-year plan at this football club. Of course if it is achievable in two years then that is fantastic but the plan is there for three years.”
The owners feel that the commercial side of the club needs to be given the right attention and that the football side of the club is aware of the commercial side.”
Well Paolo from what i can make of it you aint got no more money so you have to make do with what you got and then next season they will invest again because as he says its a three year plan.....hope im wrong....
Just like robstfc says, i fear Paolo will be gone by weekend or next Monday..........
I knew this was coming, i blummin knew it!!
Oh my god, dark times ahead me thinks..........
Please please please may i be so so wrong......i hate this feeling, i have a bad stomach now, feel like going to the toilet..........
Why oh why does this have to happen to us all the time.......Great times, followed by nightmare!!!!
What a great week this is going to be...NOT!!!!
Louis :-(((((
akershaker
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7:09am Tue 16 Oct 12
Dark times ahead? I read that nearly everyday on this site.
Lazaat
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7:09am Tue 16 Oct 12
E ce
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7:12am Tue 16 Oct 12
If he is worried that money won't be available 'if' an injury cirsis hits (as JW suggests) then why not wait until that situation actually arises? Then he could legitimately claim the plan changed.
Until that point in time, then ride the wave and use the pretty decent resources on hand.
Who knows, we could be out of the embargo then if we get a good cup gate...
Swindon1984
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7:18am Tue 16 Oct 12
castle9
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7:21am Tue 16 Oct 12
glasred
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7:21am Tue 16 Oct 12
Also..The club voted for spending percentage that caused this current embargo.
As long as transparency and straight talking from our new chairman are forthcoming,PDC wil stay here IMO,because he wants to complete the task he undertook and is a man of his word and of integrety.
All is not gloom...we need avery strong man at the helm to work work with PDC...Yes?
glasred
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7:21am Tue 16 Oct 12
Also..The club voted for spending percentage that caused this current embargo.
As long as transparency and straight talking from our new chairman are forthcoming,PDC wil stay here IMO,because he wants to complete the task he undertook and is a man of his word and of integrety.
All is not gloom...we need avery strong man at the helm to work work with PDC...Yes?
KojaktheWarg
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7:34am Tue 16 Oct 12
EastleazeRed
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7:45am Tue 16 Oct 12
stfc2012
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7:46am Tue 16 Oct 12
Farteaboy
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7:51am Tue 16 Oct 12
Lets just wait and see.....
ftb
the real Tosh man
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7:54am Tue 16 Oct 12
louiscassius wrote:I have no idea how you two come to this conclusion from that interview. Have you thought that they might be implying that there is more revenue to be had in the commercial sector of the club which would be a very good thing. As for friendships and trust, I think this guys cv says everything you need to know and I'm sure he and Paolo will build a bond
who am i wrote:My thughts excactly!!
Interesting....
“There is a three-year plan at this football club. Of course if it is achievable in two years then that is fantastic but the plan is there for three years.”
The owners feel that the commercial side of the club needs to be given the right attention and that the football side of the club is aware of the commercial side.”
Well Paolo from what i can make of it you aint got no more money so you have to make do with what you got and then next season they will invest again because as he says its a three year plan.....hope im wrong....
Just like robstfc says, i fear Paolo will be gone by weekend or next Monday..........
I knew this was coming, i blummin knew it!!
Oh my god, dark times ahead me thinks..........
Please please please may i be so so wrong......i hate this feeling, i have a bad stomach now, feel like going to the toilet..........
Why oh why does this have to happen to us all the time.......Great times, followed by nightmare!!!!
What a great week this is going to be...NOT!!!!
Louis :-(((((
avo
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8:01am Tue 16 Oct 12
Swindon1984 wrote:Although I have put my point across in more depth, I think you have hit the nail on the head and concur with your view.
Possibly, or maybe to keep up with what they know will be an expensive endeavour (as it has been for AB so far) they're looking for someone who can be more efficient in raising cash for the club. We'll have to see, trying to keep an open mind and stay positive though.
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If stadium redevelopment occurs, along with all the financial backing needed, then this man will have done what he was brought in to do and maybe, JW was not the man to realise this side of the owners ambitions.
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If all of this is achieved, I fail to see how any fan will have something to moan about.
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I hope Paolo sees this move for what it is, a key part in the overall success of the club going forward.
wiltshirered64
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8:15am Tue 16 Oct 12
lord nikon
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8:17am Tue 16 Oct 12
old town robin
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8:20am Tue 16 Oct 12
This move by Black to replace JW as chairman was always a likelihood so why are some only seeing the negative side of this move. JW wasn't first choice chairman when the board started out, he stepped up when Fitton quit and agreed he did a comendable job on the football side. The only disappointment for me is he has decided not to remain on the board. I find that strange as surely he could have continued with what he does best and interface with Paolo and his team.
Have said it for a while now our Sales and Marketing has not shown a lot of ambition. Personally I welcome a move that will see a well connected person come in and get the WHOLE of the organisation focused and not just the football side.
Since 1950
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8:23am Tue 16 Oct 12
glasred wrote:To correct your two points glasred.
Two points to make here...JW was always "interim" chairman...and that has in the long term proved now to be the case. Also..The club voted for spending percentage that caused this current embargo. As long as transparency and straight talking from our new chairman are forthcoming,PDC wil stay here IMO,because he wants to complete the task he undertook and is a man of his word and of integrety. All is not gloom...we need avery strong man at the helm to work work with PDC...Yes?
Firstly, JW was Chairman. His position as Chairman was confirmed at the Shareholder meeting on the 20th July of this year.
Secondly, while your second point on the spending percentage may be correct it is not all the Clubs fault. The fees for the two players in question were to be structured over two years. Nothing unusual about that. However, it was the tribunal which didctated that the full amount be paid up front. That's what tipped the balance.
Another view
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8:24am Tue 16 Oct 12
But...but, this guy's CV is second almost to none. The photo above gives a good hint of his stature, and a quick look through google confirms he is premier league standard.
Jeremy got caught up in fire fighting after each of Paolo's increasing outbursts and demands. This change at the top confirms that Championship football is only a stepping stone.
Black is committed to providing a quality multi purpose stadium, and his actions have now confirmed that he wants a top man to steer it through, unemcumbered by the demands of the team boss. Wiz summed it up best for me yesterday -
"So it looks like our manager will not have that ear at the higher level now, he will be left more to his own devices. It could be the making of him, if he takes the time to indulge in it, but the big question is , Will He?"
Since 1950
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8:33am Tue 16 Oct 12
I was contacted by a friend of mine last evening who is well connected with a Prem club. He knows Sir William personally. Gave him a top billing.
As for Paolo, I still think his days here are numbered.
Benzel
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8:37am Tue 16 Oct 12
louiscassius wrote:Step away from the keyboard and count to ten.
who am i wrote:My thughts excactly!!
Interesting....
“There is a three-year plan at this football club. Of course if it is achievable in two years then that is fantastic but the plan is there for three years.”
The owners feel that the commercial side of the club needs to be given the right attention and that the football side of the club is aware of the commercial side.”
Well Paolo from what i can make of it you aint got no more money so you have to make do with what you got and then next season they will invest again because as he says its a three year plan.....hope im wrong....
Just like robstfc says, i fear Paolo will be gone by weekend or next Monday..........
I knew this was coming, i blummin knew it!!
Oh my god, dark times ahead me thinks..........
Please please please may i be so so wrong......i hate this feeling, i have a bad stomach now, feel like going to the toilet..........
Why oh why does this have to happen to us all the time.......Great times, followed by nightmare!!!!
What a great week this is going to be...NOT!!!!
Louis :-(((((
London Red
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8:44am Tue 16 Oct 12
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At this point I still feel we are in the same place!
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All we have learnt is that JW and AB have differing views on how to take STFC forward
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AB as majority shareholder and chief investor has decidied (within his rights) to change the control of the board and club to be more in line with his vision
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However, we are still missing the most vital parts - what, why and where!
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We do not know what these differences are
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We do not know if they are the end goal or just the means to get there
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We also do not know what impact this will have to the on and off field aspects of the club
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So how the hell can we say its doom and gloom or the start of a bright new era??????
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What we really need is not the adver to simply repost the comments below or tweets in a "live" article or rehash articles from yesterday but to actually try and speak to the main man (or at least a representative) to find out the questions we all want to know (or BBC to do this)
Oi Den!
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8:50am Tue 16 Oct 12
umpcah
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8:51am Tue 16 Oct 12
who am i
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8:54am Tue 16 Oct 12
the real Tosh man wrote:Heard part of interview on radio this morning and the only thing ill change from what I said is he might get funds in jan if we are pushing for promotion if not its back too the three year plan. And I'm not being doom and gloom just my opinion of what's been said so far repeat opinion lol.
louiscassius wrote:I have no idea how you two come to this conclusion from that interview. Have you thought that they might be implying that there is more revenue to be had in the commercial sector of the club which would be a very good thing. As for friendships and trust, I think this guys cv says everything you need to know and I'm sure he and Paolo will build a bondwho am i wrote: Interesting.... “There is a three-year plan at this football club. Of course if it is achievable in two years then that is fantastic but the plan is there for three years.” The owners feel that the commercial side of the club needs to be given the right attention and that the football side of the club is aware of the commercial side.” Well Paolo from what i can make of it you aint got no more money so you have to make do with what you got and then next season they will invest again because as he says its a three year plan.....hope im wrong....My thughts excactly!! Just like robstfc says, i fear Paolo will be gone by weekend or next Monday.......... I knew this was coming, i blummin knew it!! Oh my god, dark times ahead me thinks.......... Please please please may i be so so wrong......i hate this feeling, i have a bad stomach now, feel like going to the toilet.......... Why oh why does this have to happen to us all the time.......Great times, followed by nightmare!!!! What a great week this is going to be...NOT!!!! Louis :-(((((
Psychedelic Syd
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9:03am Tue 16 Oct 12
For me the jury is out, fine words Patey but we'll judge you by your actions matey. I don't like the look of the company you keep either.
SeanG92
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9:03am Tue 16 Oct 12
It sounds like however, he is saying that IF he cans secure funds from outside investors,then Paolo can have them, however if he can find outside investors, then Paolo will have to make do with what he has.
Oi Den!
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9:05am Tue 16 Oct 12
umpcah
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9:06am Tue 16 Oct 12
who am i wrote:I imagine Paolo is busting a gut to get The Town up to the Championship at the end of this season. So if all is not on that course after Christmas he will demand adequate funds for strengthening the squad ; and take it badly if he doesn`t get his own way. I cant see the three year plan going down very well with him !
the real Tosh man wrote:Heard part of interview on radio this morning and the only thing ill change from what I said is he might get funds in jan if we are pushing for promotion if not its back too the three year plan. And I'm not being doom and gloom just my opinion of what's been said so far repeat opinion lol.
louiscassius wrote:I have no idea how you two come to this conclusion from that interview. Have you thought that they might be implying that there is more revenue to be had in the commercial sector of the club which would be a very good thing. As for friendships and trust, I think this guys cv says everything you need to know and I'm sure he and Paolo will build a bondwho am i wrote: Interesting.... “There is a three-year plan at this football club. Of course if it is achievable in two years then that is fantastic but the plan is there for three years.” The owners feel that the commercial side of the club needs to be given the right attention and that the football side of the club is aware of the commercial side.” Well Paolo from what i can make of it you aint got no more money so you have to make do with what you got and then next season they will invest again because as he says its a three year plan.....hope im wrong....My thughts excactly!! Just like robstfc says, i fear Paolo will be gone by weekend or next Monday.......... I knew this was coming, i blummin knew it!! Oh my god, dark times ahead me thinks.......... Please please please may i be so so wrong......i hate this feeling, i have a bad stomach now, feel like going to the toilet.......... Why oh why does this have to happen to us all the time.......Great times, followed by nightmare!!!! What a great week this is going to be...NOT!!!! Louis :-(((((
Wonder Strike
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9:15am Tue 16 Oct 12
Oi Den!
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9:16am Tue 16 Oct 12
Ginge09
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9:18am Tue 16 Oct 12
London Red wrote:Sensible post as also LR.
I said yesterday I was not going to comment until we had more information as making wild assumptions gets you nowhere . At this point I still feel we are in the same place! . All we have learnt is that JW and AB have differing views on how to take STFC forward . AB as majority shareholder and chief investor has decidied (within his rights) to change the control of the board and club to be more in line with his vision . However, we are still missing the most vital parts - what, why and where! . We do not know what these differences are . We do not know if they are the end goal or just the means to get there . We also do not know what impact this will have to the on and off field aspects of the club . So how the hell can we say its doom and gloom or the start of a bright new era?????? . What we really need is not the adver to simply repost the comments below or tweets in a "live" article or rehash articles from yesterday but to actually try and speak to the main man (or at least a representative) to find out the questions we all want to know (or BBC to do this)
I think from what Patey has said so far - I think the emphasis is on new investment.
As a majority shareholder - i.e. the man that has put the majority of the money in, you've got to be looking for a return on your money at some point. Even if in the long term, buy the club at x amount, make it better and sell it on for more than you paid fo it in the first place. These men with the money are all Business Men. Business men want returns on investments - FACT.
Wray has probably been moved aside because he wasnt 'performing' in the sense of bringing additional investment, despite 'performing' on the side of working with the manager, and making things happen on the football field
Since 1950
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9:20am Tue 16 Oct 12
Oi Den! wrote:Depends where Sir William sits Den and what objectives he's been given. Fitton and Wray were diametrically opposed when it came to running our club. Fitton, while saving this club from going out of business, seemed to want to do things on the cheap. He also procrastinated in his appointments and in terminating them when they were clearly going wrong. Wray on the other hand was decisive in getting his man and backed him to the hilt financially. Sir William is here to balance the books I'd say and has used diplomatic words to tell us Paolo isn't going to get any more money for players. We may see more emphasis on the ground redevelopment though. In my view though.
LR, both JW and Sir WP have told us the "why". JW was committed to continuing to support PDC for the 3 years of the plan and he felt that Black did not have the same commitment. Sir WP hints very sstrongly that the Board believed Wray was devoting all his energies to the football side while neglecting (for want of a better word) the financial and commercial aspects. Onwards and still upwardss.
Joeyeah_right
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9:22am Tue 16 Oct 12
Craig Jack @ceej69
@bertthebold Mr Black, having read both statements from #STFC it would be useful for fans to understand why you replaced Jeremy Wray
Andrew Black @bertthebold
@ceej69 Hi Craig. Jeremy has been near enough my best friend for 25 years; He was my best man and is godfather to my son...
I put him in as chairman when I decided to carry on supporting the club on my own. He loves the club and was happy to do it.
I would have done it but I have a very nervous disposition - I hate being in front of the cameras.
Jeremy is also Andrew Fitton's business partner.
the football side has gone well with Paolo doing such a good job, but it has been difficult at the board.
...I don't want to go into detail here. I decided at the beginning of the year that we needed an experienced chairman.
I think Sir William can be an outstanding chairman. I thought Jeremy would stay on the board - he changed his mind at the last min
I can promise you it wasn't a decision I took lightly - I was upset for weeks. As Jeremy said to me recently...
...perhaps mixing friends and business was not such a good idea.
nothing else changes though - don't worry about that. I hope Paolo can settle with the new chairman - I don't see why he shouldn't.
matt71
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9:29am Tue 16 Oct 12
Since 1950
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9:36am Tue 16 Oct 12
Joeyeah_right wrote:Nice one. Thanks for sharing that. Gives some understanding.
Here are the latest tweets from Andrew Black as he responds to a question by someone called Craig Jack: Craig Jack @ceej69 @bertthebold Mr Black, having read both statements from #STFC it would be useful for fans to understand why you replaced Jeremy Wray Andrew Black @bertthebold @ceej69 Hi Craig. Jeremy has been near enough my best friend for 25 years; He was my best man and is godfather to my son... I put him in as chairman when I decided to carry on supporting the club on my own. He loves the club and was happy to do it. I would have done it but I have a very nervous disposition - I hate being in front of the cameras. Jeremy is also Andrew Fitton's business partner. the football side has gone well with Paolo doing such a good job, but it has been difficult at the board. ...I don't want to go into detail here. I decided at the beginning of the year that we needed an experienced chairman. I think Sir William can be an outstanding chairman. I thought Jeremy would stay on the board - he changed his mind at the last min I can promise you it wasn't a decision I took lightly - I was upset for weeks. As Jeremy said to me recently... ...perhaps mixing friends and business was not such a good idea. nothing else changes though - don't worry about that. I hope Paolo can settle with the new chairman - I don't see why he shouldn't.
matt71
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9:39am Tue 16 Oct 12
the wizard
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9:40am Tue 16 Oct 12
We have lost a well respected guy from our club. Sadly he is gone, his task is done, and the clubs owner, Black, love him or loathe him, has decided to move on, and so do we, as all what is going on becomes all consuming if we don't.
Our manager now will have to get on and manage. He will no longer have Wrays ear, so instead of it being a close double act, he will have to find more ways of effectively managing team affairs on his own. Now is the time of sink or swim. He is far too dogmatic and proud to sink, so this is a very big challenge for him. His best tactic now is to keep his head down, mouth shut, and just get on with his job so as to prove to Black and to Bill that he is the right man, at the right place, at the right time. He also needs to move on and leave the ranting and raving behind him, move up a gear and get on with it, like the rest of the managers in the league and let the teams performances and results do his talking for him. Results are irrefutable. Then asking for money for players will be easier. Cartwheels on the touchline do not impress the likes of Bill or Black. The whole club has just moved its act up two notches with Bill being appointed. The manager will be under closer scrutiny by Bill and Black, than they will by the manager.
highland robin
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9:41am Tue 16 Oct 12
NEWBURYREDS
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9:57am Tue 16 Oct 12
SeanG92
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10:06am Tue 16 Oct 12
Wonder Strike wrote:Thats very true. If Paolo bought into the long term vision, then he could understand that by redeveloping the stadium, we may take an extra year to go up due to the finances being directed away from the squad and to the redevelopment, however in the long term we can generate extra revenue from increased ticket sales!
Welcome aboard Sir Will. At theend of the day the long term future of the club is the new or redeveloped stadium. Managers, players etc come and go. We are never going anywhere until that is sorted. I can't see PDC leaving as we still have arguably the best squad in the division.
We wouldn't be focused on redeveloping the ground if we weren't planning on moving into the championship!
Oxon-Red
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10:15am Tue 16 Oct 12
“Jeremy focused 100 per cent on the football aspects of the club. The owners feel that the commercial side of the club needs to be given the right attention and that the football side of the club is aware of the commercial side.”
Hopefully Sir Patey can tie these two together, provide additional income through sponsorship etc, remove the embargo and have the same rapport with the fans. This will require patience on all sides but could provide the club with the stability to compete at (hopefully) a higher level in the future.
COYMR
London Red
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10:16am Tue 16 Oct 12
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However, as some other have said he could have come on board in a different position to do that - after all isn't it the Chief Executive who actually runs the company?
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So he could have replaced Watkins for example and been charged with balancing the books and attracting new investment if that is all what is required
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Also if the board agreed to this 3 year plan - then why has it changed 18 months in?
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Surely they could have looked at budgets etc in the summer and cut their cloth accordingly - not looked to amend things in October?
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It is those questions I feel need answering
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What is our long term plan? Is this new, or amended from the old one?
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What time frame is on each part - i.e football success and redevelopment?
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What has driven the need for the change now - rather than the summer, the last AGM or next summer?
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The interesting thing we now know is post the reshuffle in the summer which delayed the accounts is AB is now SOLE backer of the club
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Does that mean Sir Martyn Arbib is no longer involced at STFC Holdings?
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If so I guess that is why new investment is needed as not being a life long fan and a businessman - he will not want to just keep pumping million upon millions in
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Ginge - I think we all know they wanted a return
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Wray said that once you get to the Championship as you get better TV distribution and increased gates etc it was worth in the region of £3m a season more than L1
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We lose on average £1.5m a season at present - so £3m injection would take us into profit - thus a return (as long as cost base is maintained or only raised accordingly)
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Also we know the main return was always going to be through the redevelopment - as this will open up revenue from 23 days a year to 365
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Reading are the prime example - 3k in L2 to 25k in the Premiership/Champion
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I guess 4 years in they (or now AB)are now more focuessed on that part and feel the change is needed to deliver this
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However - as said do not want to specutlate if that is the case or not really as it would be better coming from the board
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That is why as I said to Den I still think a lot of whys are not answered yet
Stilloyal
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10:22am Tue 16 Oct 12
Breaking news, Boris Johnston to become the new Swindon manager. Bring it on but could he do the P.M's job at the same time ? piece of cake to a man of his quality.
Davethered
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10:22am Tue 16 Oct 12
New investment and strive ,maybe this has already been sorted out , but they will want their own management team in place.
Or we can carry on as we've been doing , but with a tighter hold on the purse strings.
Maybe the powers that be , has seen how much has been spent over the past two years and don't want the club getting into serious financial trouble again.
Lets just hope we've got a massive invester around the corner , then a new ground won't be a dream anymore. No longer living in the shadows of Reading etc.
BRING IT ON
the don69
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10:22am Tue 16 Oct 12
atkins,Backhouse even Abib and now Patey are his Puppets!he pulls the strings and can do what he wants!!!!!!!!!!!!
Is that you Lovesey
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10:29am Tue 16 Oct 12
mikek
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10:31am Tue 16 Oct 12
Oi Den!
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10:34am Tue 16 Oct 12
red white
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10:37am Tue 16 Oct 12
In fact he'll get on famously with old Patey in my book.
Good times ahead still!
Malkym
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10:45am Tue 16 Oct 12
lord nikon wrote:Yes the Term Merchant Banker springs to mind let's hope the cockney rhyming slang equivalent doesn't prove to be prophetic!
I notice in one of the skits that sir william is on the board at HSBC maybe this is why he has been put in place. Access to loadsa money. Just a Thought
the don69
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10:47am Tue 16 Oct 12
Oi Den! wrote:Yep he's putting all the dosh in Den!so he wants things run his way,lets hope he's got the best of intentions for our club!!!!!!
Very interesting comments from Black, and I see no reason to doubt the sincerity of them. I was intrigued by the phrase "when I decided to carry on supporting the club on my own" - seems to imply that he's been the sole owner for some time.
madterrier
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11:04am Tue 16 Oct 12
The clues are there though - need to develop the commercial side of the business, and the ground. I don't think we're ever going to hear the details from Black though. He may have thought the manager was getting out of control with unreasonable financial demands, and was cross with the vast sums that have been wasted on agents, duff players, and paying-up contracts. But he's not going to come out and say that specifically, is he?
The role of a chairman is at least threefold: to chair the board (obvious); to give strategic direction to the business; and (in football) to provide a link between the board, investors and the manager. People will judge for themselves how well J Wray performed all three of these.
As to Patey's creds in Iraq and Afganhistan...these are both complete disasters, and places we should never have been in. And Sam Morshead - I doubt very much if our new chairman is "used to dealing with the Taliban".
oncearedalwaysared
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11:04am Tue 16 Oct 12
Jeremy Wray - Made the right decision in leaving completely once the change was revealed. It would not be fair on him or Sir William.
Nick Watkin - An excellent CEO and one who we hope will stay on to ease the changeover through.
PDC - Still a potential firework waiting to go off but not sure, even now, how many other clubs would take a gamble on him yet, and still not many Board's who would give such unequivocal support. In brief, he would be silly to go, but that Italian temperament could still be the deciding factor.
Andrew Black - Needs to be more visible for a while until all this settles down.
the wizard
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11:16am Tue 16 Oct 12
hertz
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11:20am Tue 16 Oct 12
Oi Den!
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11:20am Tue 16 Oct 12
madterrier wrote:Terrier, I'm not sure we can blame our ambassador for the mess we've got ourselves into on those two fronts. For all we know, he might have done a sterling job in difficult circumstances. We don't know how it will work out with Patey but my feeling is that he will provide strong and effective leadership. He was at the game on Saturday. I wonder what he made of PDC's wild gesticulations in the direction of the directors' box? I agree with your assessment of a chairman's role, and I must admit that I'm a little concerned that, as Patey is to be non-exec, there will be no day-to-day link between the board and the manager. As I mentioned yesterday, I can see him appointing somebody very soon to provide that link.
Interesting tweet from Andrew Black. Although it really only gives context and narrative over the axing of his best friend - not specifically why he did it.
The clues are there though - need to develop the commercial side of the business, and the ground. I don't think we're ever going to hear the details from Black though. He may have thought the manager was getting out of control with unreasonable financial demands, and was cross with the vast sums that have been wasted on agents, duff players, and paying-up contracts. But he's not going to come out and say that specifically, is he?
The role of a chairman is at least threefold: to chair the board (obvious); to give strategic direction to the business; and (in football) to provide a link between the board, investors and the manager. People will judge for themselves how well J Wray performed all three of these.
As to Patey's creds in Iraq and Afganhistan...these are both complete disasters, and places we should never have been in. And Sam Morshead - I doubt very much if our new chairman is "used to dealing with the Taliban".
southside7
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11:44am Tue 16 Oct 12
SeanG92
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11:49am Tue 16 Oct 12
Oi Den! wrote:I reckon Jermy Wray would be a good punt to provide that link! ;)
madterrier wrote:Terrier, I'm not sure we can blame our ambassador for the mess we've got ourselves into on those two fronts. For all we know, he might have done a sterling job in difficult circumstances. We don't know how it will work out with Patey but my feeling is that he will provide strong and effective leadership. He was at the game on Saturday. I wonder what he made of PDC's wild gesticulations in the direction of the directors' box? I agree with your assessment of a chairman's role, and I must admit that I'm a little concerned that, as Patey is to be non-exec, there will be no day-to-day link between the board and the manager. As I mentioned yesterday, I can see him appointing somebody very soon to provide that link.
Interesting tweet from Andrew Black. Although it really only gives context and narrative over the axing of his best friend - not specifically why he did it.
The clues are there though - need to develop the commercial side of the business, and the ground. I don't think we're ever going to hear the details from Black though. He may have thought the manager was getting out of control with unreasonable financial demands, and was cross with the vast sums that have been wasted on agents, duff players, and paying-up contracts. But he's not going to come out and say that specifically, is he?
The role of a chairman is at least threefold: to chair the board (obvious); to give strategic direction to the business; and (in football) to provide a link between the board, investors and the manager. People will judge for themselves how well J Wray performed all three of these.
As to Patey's creds in Iraq and Afganhistan...these are both complete disasters, and places we should never have been in. And Sam Morshead - I doubt very much if our new chairman is "used to dealing with the Taliban".
the don69
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12:07pm Tue 16 Oct 12
SeanG92
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12:13pm Tue 16 Oct 12
the don69 wrote:That's good. Hopefully Paolo can master another magical night at the County Ground, and ruin Villas big day out ;)
Just heard Villa have sold all their tickets for the cup game!should be a sell out now!!!!!!!!
hubert the dog
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12:16pm Tue 16 Oct 12
Old-Stager, Hilperton
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12:31pm Tue 16 Oct 12
That would please Andrew Black, Sir William Patey, Paolo Di Canio and 100% of Swindon Town Fans.
Oi Den!
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12:32pm Tue 16 Oct 12
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As somebody said, Wray was interim chairman for a long time and probably never Black's first choice for the job, so maybe this move should not have been the big surprise it was to many of us.
stfctom
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12:34pm Tue 16 Oct 12
Good luck Sir William, I think your going to need it!
the wizard
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12:35pm Tue 16 Oct 12
That Sheffield game also serves his purpose as he will endeavour to show just how far we have come since the play-off season.Indeed he may even get may get matey with Patey .
Surely from the marketing point, bringing in investors to a CCC club is more attractive and easier than a club aspiring to get there, and that may unlock funds of sorts through deals to bring in new players, but I do think he is going to have to be far more picky as to who comes in future, and no more free gifts to other clubs come the end of the season, those days are gone.
London Red
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12:49pm Tue 16 Oct 12
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Old-Stager - Wray was clear as to why he couldn't do that - he doesn't want to potentially get in the way of any relationship between PdC and SWP
the wizard
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12:53pm Tue 16 Oct 12
London Red wrote:I was eluding to the fact that success may make it easier for further sponsorship deals etc, and does that not count in the overall sum of which the 65% is derived from ?
The Transfer embargo has NOTHING to do with this - Wray has been very clear to state that - so can people please stop saying it has!
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Old-Stager - Wray was clear as to why he couldn't do that - he doesn't want to potentially get in the way of any relationship between PdC and SWP
Malkym
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1:00pm Tue 16 Oct 12
stfctom wrote:And who might those managers be?please don't make me laugh by mentioning some of the dross that has recently been jettisoned already this season.
If Paolo goes he goes. It would be sad but lets not kid ourselves, there are plenty of other managers who would love to have the squad we have and would be able to achieve just as much, if not more, than PDC with them. Hopefully he stays though, otherwise the doom merchants will go into overdrive and things will be very difficult for the board.
Good luck Sir William, I think your going to need it!
Wilesy
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1:00pm Tue 16 Oct 12
Presumably Wray had to go to Black and explain the situation, and if it's Black's money funding the show then he would not be happy?!
Presumably, and hopefully, Patey will be less inclined to just say YES to Paolo's requests for players if it doesn't fit the budget.
I don't see how Paolo can complain if he gets a NO to a player due to budget constraints, he knows the budget, and has to work within it.
I assume Black thinks Patey and his contacts can draw additional funds into the club, so a good thing.
Wray was undoubtedly a nice guy and a popular chairman in a period where we had on-field success, and it's no surprise Paolo thought he was the best chairman ever as I doubt Paolo heard the NO word too often.
But I guess in terms of actual achievement of chairman duties as viewed by Black ie spending to budget and bringing in new investment - presumably 'could do better' and Patey certainly fits the bill to bring in money to the club.
Maybe Black himself will walk away when the new investment is found, we shall see.
And what about Backhouse, why is he supposedly leaving, out of loyalty? What is his role anyway and why is Paolo keen to see him stay?
MITTED
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1:02pm Tue 16 Oct 12
hornet
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1:17pm Tue 16 Oct 12
Oi Den!
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1:39pm Tue 16 Oct 12
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Where I disagree with LR is on the need for answers. We have already been given more information than fans normally get in these situations. I reckon we just need to get on with life again now. Yes, we need to know the board's plans for the future. But perhaps we shouldn't even expect much on that just yet. Sir WP needs to get his feet under the table first.
London Red
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1:53pm Tue 16 Oct 12
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AB is the main player and as the Adver have said they are looking for an inteview so he can "tell his side of the story"
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As you say this move may not be a bad thing at all - but why it has occurred and what his view of where STFC is heading would be nice to hear
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Wiz the comment wasn't really aimed at you - but the post which say Wray had to go due to the Embargo fiasco - When JW has clearly stated it has nothing to do with it and AB has pretty much said the same thing - i.e. it has been a decision he has been contemplating for some time
the wizard
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1:58pm Tue 16 Oct 12
London Red wrote:Ok- that's fine, no probs there , but is my theory over sponsorship and advertising etc along the right lines ?
Den - SWP getting his feet under doesn't really change the viewpoint of the main man - Black
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AB is the main player and as the Adver have said they are looking for an inteview so he can "tell his side of the story"
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As you say this move may not be a bad thing at all - but why it has occurred and what his view of where STFC is heading would be nice to hear
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Wiz the comment wasn't really aimed at you - but the post which say Wray had to go due to the Embargo fiasco - When JW has clearly stated it has nothing to do with it and AB has pretty much said the same thing - i.e. it has been a decision he has been contemplating for some time
billbst
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2:17pm Tue 16 Oct 12
Oi Den! wrote:Den. I agree that the ambassadorial roles in the middle east is little to do with bringing money in through his contacts. However I think Mr Black already has the connections he wants to encourage to invest through his racing interests. Possibly the contact with Sir Will came that way too but either way he will be well placed to develop any interest.
I really think this middle east thing is a red herring. Can't imagine Black appointing a new chairman simply for the purpose of attracting Arab investors. If he wanted to do that, I'm sure it would have been done with no public fanfare.
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As somebody said, Wray was interim chairman for a long time and probably never Black's first choice for the job, so maybe this move should not have been the big surprise it was to many of us.
Oi Den!
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4:37pm Tue 16 Oct 12
London Red wrote:True LR, but Patey is going to be a crucial figure in all this. He may have been appointed by Black but he's not come here to be anybody's lackey. I'm sure he'll want to get in there and get a feel for what's going on before he makes any significant public pronouncements. Although I would be interested to hear/read an interview with Black, I wouldn't be too bothered if it's not forthcoming. The comments from both of them and Wray over the last 24 hours have been quite illuminating. I see Black's appointment of a high calibre chairman as a statement of intent to take the club as far as he can. If he wants to stay out of the limelight while putting in shedloads of money to keep our club alive, that's good enough for me. And if he's decided that the time has come to turn the tap off for a while, that will do me too. We are lucky to have had Jeremy Wray, we are lucky to have Paolo Di Canio, and it seems we are even luckier to have Andrew Black.
Den - SWP getting his feet under doesn't really change the viewpoint of the main man - Black
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AB is the main player and as the Adver have said they are looking for an inteview so he can "tell his side of the story"
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As you say this move may not be a bad thing at all - but why it has occurred and what his view of where STFC is heading would be nice to hear
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Wiz the comment wasn't really aimed at you - but the post which say Wray had to go due to the Embargo fiasco - When JW has clearly stated it has nothing to do with it and AB has pretty much said the same thing - i.e. it has been a decision he has been contemplating for some time
London Red
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5:49pm Tue 16 Oct 12
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Like PdC who was sold on the "project" laid out to him by JW and RB - SWP must have been sold a "project" by AB
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I just think effectively sacking a very popular chairman as you have a different vision of how to move the club forward that it would be a good idea to tell the fans (who ate vital to the success) what this is
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I get he doesn't like being I the spot light but a statement can alway be posted on the OS by him saying this is my vision, this is why I felt the change was needed now and this is how I think SWP will aid this
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Then more importantly - tell us how it will alter the on field side - if at all
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JW looked like he was going for back to back - if we are now going for consolidation before a push - wouldn't you want to know? Otherwise it will look like a disappointment if we miss out after all the hype so far
the wizard
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6:02pm Tue 16 Oct 12
London Red wrote:Not to mention the input of supporters who bought S/T's on the promise of back-to-back promotion efforts as well.
Wasn't suggesting SWP is going to be a lackey
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Like PdC who was sold on the "project" laid out to him by JW and RB - SWP must have been sold a "project" by AB
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I just think effectively sacking a very popular chairman as you have a different vision of how to move the club forward that it would be a good idea to tell the fans (who ate vital to the success) what this is
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I get he doesn't like being I the spot light but a statement can alway be posted on the OS by him saying this is my vision, this is why I felt the change was needed now and this is how I think SWP will aid this
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Then more importantly - tell us how it will alter the on field side - if at all
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JW looked like he was going for back to back - if we are now going for consolidation before a push - wouldn't you want to know? Otherwise it will look like a disappointment if we miss out after all the hype so far
To withdraw that now is going back on a promise. That will not go down nicely with most one bit.
Oi Den!
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6:40pm Tue 16 Oct 12
mancrobin
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6:44pm Tue 16 Oct 12
old town robin wrote:I agree that the commercial side needs developing. I can't even buy a STFC 'onesey' for my 10 year old daughter's birthday!
What's Nick Watkins role at the club, I thought he was looking at ground development funding.
This move by Black to replace JW as chairman was always a likelihood so why are some only seeing the negative side of this move. JW wasn't first choice chairman when the board started out, he stepped up when Fitton quit and agreed he did a comendable job on the football side. The only disappointment for me is he has decided not to remain on the board. I find that strange as surely he could have continued with what he does best and interface with Paolo and his team.
Have said it for a while now our Sales and Marketing has not shown a lot of ambition. Personally I welcome a move that will see a well connected person come in and get the WHOLE of the organisation focused and not just the football side.
inspiron
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7:00pm Tue 16 Oct 12
The most important things at our club are the board as they control the money and the fans as we are the support.Players and managers come and go,and we always believe at times that we cannot afford to lose players or managers.
The club is bigger than everything else and if the people in charge who after all have put in millions to put us on the right footing,make certain decisions we find strange,then we must trust them,even if PDC goes.It will be who replaces him that will be key not when he goes,because he will go,that is for sure.
Lets make sure we are united with the board and the fans.We will still be here in 10 years time PDC will not
Steve. Brentford
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7:05pm Tue 16 Oct 12
mancrobin wrote:Haha,disgusting eh? that needs to get flipping sorted and fast.I may get one for myself,i hope they do them to a fit 6ft 4in man :O)
old town robin wrote:I agree that the commercial side needs developing. I can't even buy a STFC 'onesey' for my 10 year old daughter's birthday!
What's Nick Watkins role at the club, I thought he was looking at ground development funding.
This move by Black to replace JW as chairman was always a likelihood so why are some only seeing the negative side of this move. JW wasn't first choice chairman when the board started out, he stepped up when Fitton quit and agreed he did a comendable job on the football side. The only disappointment for me is he has decided not to remain on the board. I find that strange as surely he could have continued with what he does best and interface with Paolo and his team.
Have said it for a while now our Sales and Marketing has not shown a lot of ambition. Personally I welcome a move that will see a well connected person come in and get the WHOLE of the organisation focused and not just the football side.
DarrenSTFCRomain
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7:06pm Tue 16 Oct 12
inspiron wrote:Fantastic post.and so so true..
All this talk and fear that PDC will walk is not for us to worry about. The most important things at our club are the board as they control the money and the fans as we are the support.Players and managers come and go,and we always believe at times that we cannot afford to lose players or managers. The club is bigger than everything else and if the people in charge who after all have put in millions to put us on the right footing,make certain decisions we find strange,then we must trust them,even if PDC goes.It will be who replaces him that will be key not when he goes,because he will go,that is for sure. Lets make sure we are united with the board and the fans.We will still be here in 10 years time PDC will not
Wilesy
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7:34pm Tue 16 Oct 12
I do think we have been caught out with the embargo situational but don't think there would be any benefit in the club admitting as much, again this would not benefit anyone. Presumably it is just a coincidence that about 10 days ago Black decided it was time to change the chairman.
Black stated he has been looking for a different chairman since the turn of the year. Posts have said that Wray was appointed permanent chairman during the summer, if true then why was he OK then but not now?
bongiaz
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7:37pm Tue 16 Oct 12
jayden
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7:42pm Tue 16 Oct 12
bongiaz wrote:ok
Blimey can we keep some of these posts to less than 500 words!
bongiaz
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7:42pm Tue 16 Oct 12
the wizard wrote:I purchase my season Ticket every season because I love the club not because of a promise of back to back promotions. Don't you?
London Red wrote:Not to mention the input of supporters who bought S/T's on the promise of back-to-back promotion efforts as well.
Wasn't suggesting SWP is going to be a lackey
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Like PdC who was sold on the "project" laid out to him by JW and RB - SWP must have been sold a "project" by AB
.
I just think effectively sacking a very popular chairman as you have a different vision of how to move the club forward that it would be a good idea to tell the fans (who ate vital to the success) what this is
.
I get he doesn't like being I the spot light but a statement can alway be posted on the OS by him saying this is my vision, this is why I felt the change was needed now and this is how I think SWP will aid this
.
Then more importantly - tell us how it will alter the on field side - if at all
.
JW looked like he was going for back to back - if we are now going for consolidation before a push - wouldn't you want to know? Otherwise it will look like a disappointment if we miss out after all the hype so far
To withdraw that now is going back on a promise. That will not go down nicely with most one bit.
the wizard
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7:58pm Tue 16 Oct 12
bongiaz wrote:Yes I do, but with an additional 1k sold many would not take that view..
the wizard wrote:I purchase my season Ticket every season because I love the club not because of a promise of back to back promotions. Don't you?
London Red wrote:Not to mention the input of supporters who bought S/T's on the promise of back-to-back promotion efforts as well.
Wasn't suggesting SWP is going to be a lackey
.
Like PdC who was sold on the "project" laid out to him by JW and RB - SWP must have been sold a "project" by AB
.
I just think effectively sacking a very popular chairman as you have a different vision of how to move the club forward that it would be a good idea to tell the fans (who ate vital to the success) what this is
.
I get he doesn't like being I the spot light but a statement can alway be posted on the OS by him saying this is my vision, this is why I felt the change was needed now and this is how I think SWP will aid this
.
Then more importantly - tell us how it will alter the on field side - if at all
.
JW looked like he was going for back to back - if we are now going for consolidation before a push - wouldn't you want to know? Otherwise it will look like a disappointment if we miss out after all the hype so far
To withdraw that now is going back on a promise. That will not go down nicely with most one bit.
I hope we do get back to back, then at least another 1k may take our view. I would hope so, wouldn't you ?
the wizard
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8:20pm Tue 16 Oct 12
mancrobin
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8:41pm Tue 16 Oct 12
Steve. Brentford wrote:Not sure I fancy one myself and the misses says she won't go to bed with Pilsbury Doughman. :)
mancrobin wrote:Haha,disgusting eh? that needs to get flipping sorted and fast.I may get one for myself,i hope they do them to a fit 6ft 4in man :O)
old town robin wrote:I agree that the commercial side needs developing. I can't even buy a STFC 'onesey' for my 10 year old daughter's birthday!
What's Nick Watkins role at the club, I thought he was looking at ground development funding.
This move by Black to replace JW as chairman was always a likelihood so why are some only seeing the negative side of this move. JW wasn't first choice chairman when the board started out, he stepped up when Fitton quit and agreed he did a comendable job on the football side. The only disappointment for me is he has decided not to remain on the board. I find that strange as surely he could have continued with what he does best and interface with Paolo and his team.
Have said it for a while now our Sales and Marketing has not shown a lot of ambition. Personally I welcome a move that will see a well connected person come in and get the WHOLE of the organisation focused and not just the football side.
London Red
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9:16pm Tue 16 Oct 12
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However - it does mean giving the manager the tools to finish the task
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All managers build a squad and come Jan have highlighted areas they think are needed to finish the job
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Last year that was securing Wes and adding Rooney and Benson - if they hadn't of come we would not have won the league!
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Today Bournemouth have said more will be spent in Jan to aid Howe
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I doubt Sheff U, MK, Coventry, Notts etc will all remain static
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So if our tap is frozen shut or we don't get the embargo lifted we could fall behind them and miss out
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We could get a large fee for Caddis and that could free up a nice slice to invest in a push for glory
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Or we could simply use it to balance the books
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That is the difference between gunning for back to back or settling for consolidation
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We clearly need a striker so I guess the reassurance PdC (and possibly us fans too) want is will we see a repeat of last year where money was spent wisely to push us on or not
the wizard
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9:25pm Tue 16 Oct 12
London Red wrote:I watched some TV news earlier and it seems Howes arrival has sparked a massive rush of confidence from the players even before he has taken up the reigns. I think every goal will count now as this is going to be very squeaky tight at the end of the season. Could go down the wire to GD and goals scored.
Going for promotion doesn't mean bottomless spending - I don't think I said it did either
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However - it does mean giving the manager the tools to finish the task
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All managers build a squad and come Jan have highlighted areas they think are needed to finish the job
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Last year that was securing Wes and adding Rooney and Benson - if they hadn't of come we would not have won the league!
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Today Bournemouth have said more will be spent in Jan to aid Howe
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I doubt Sheff U, MK, Coventry, Notts etc will all remain static
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So if our tap is frozen shut or we don't get the embargo lifted we could fall behind them and miss out
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We could get a large fee for Caddis and that could free up a nice slice to invest in a push for glory
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Or we could simply use it to balance the books
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That is the difference between gunning for back to back or settling for consolidation
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We clearly need a striker so I guess the reassurance PdC (and possibly us fans too) want is will we see a repeat of last year where money was spent wisely to push us on or not
We need to act decisively.
Davethered
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9:46pm Tue 16 Oct 12
Oi Den!
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9:57pm Tue 16 Oct 12
London Red wrote:And I'm not saying he shouldn't get any more money either. But how do you decide what amount constitutes the tools to finish the job? Is it whatever PDC decides it is? If we have already breached the embargo limit, that seems to say we've spent quite a lot already, especially as we are amongst the best supported clubs in the division. Many people might think it was more than enough. We have at least 4 recognised strikers, 3 of them signed this season. Why do we need another?
Going for promotion doesn't mean bottomless spending - I don't think I said it did either
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However - it does mean giving the manager the tools to finish the task
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All managers build a squad and come Jan have highlighted areas they think are needed to finish the job
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Last year that was securing Wes and adding Rooney and Benson - if they hadn't of come we would not have won the league!
.
Today Bournemouth have said more will be spent in Jan to aid Howe
.
I doubt Sheff U, MK, Coventry, Notts etc will all remain static
.
So if our tap is frozen shut or we don't get the embargo lifted we could fall behind them and miss out
.
We could get a large fee for Caddis and that could free up a nice slice to invest in a push for glory
.
Or we could simply use it to balance the books
.
That is the difference between gunning for back to back or settling for consolidation
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We clearly need a striker so I guess the reassurance PdC (and possibly us fans too) want is will we see a repeat of last year where money was spent wisely to push us on or not
the wizard
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10:09pm Tue 16 Oct 12
I honestly think despite his experience as a player our manager under estimated the strength in L1 this season, and the strikers we have are just not cutting the ice the way he wants. In fairness I think he will have to let either Collins or Williams go, so as to generate some income at least towards the next one. Although we don't have a massive squad, by any means, I remember him saying when he first arrived a smaller squad but of a higher quality. I don't think we have been able to the nth degree achieve that just yet, but with the new chairman, I think we may well walk in that direction. I think we will push this season, but a more concerted push next season with some classier players.
London Red
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10:10pm Tue 16 Oct 12
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We should have buried Coventry and would have if we had someone who puts the ball in the net regularly
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That's not the first time either this year and won't be the last
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Being recognised doesn't mean being good enough - we had recognised strikers lest year but still needed Benson
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Also I never said give into every demand - just sit down establish what is vital and work towards that
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They can easily say you can sign 1 or 2 and say what/who do you want
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A striker would probably be on the top of most peoples lost of what we need
the don69
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10:26pm Tue 16 Oct 12
the wizard
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10:32pm Tue 16 Oct 12
Yep, you are right about Clarke. Never mind what went on before, he will be seeking vengeance, and old boys do come back to haunt us, Rose for one recently. I was thinking of other players over the weekend and I think somebody here mentioned Cassidy then. He seems a good bet, but would he come and more to the point, even with the embargo lifted, could we afford or have the budget for him ?
mancrobin
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10:42pm Tue 16 Oct 12
London Red wrote:Perhaps a little patience is needed. We're beginning to look like the woman who swallowed the fly. we buy a striker or two play them for a few games and then complain they don't score enough so we go and get another.
Why? Because we don't put the ball I the net enough - that's why!
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We should have buried Coventry and would have if we had someone who puts the ball in the net regularly
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That's not the first time either this year and won't be the last
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Being recognised doesn't mean being good enough - we had recognised strikers lest year but still needed Benson
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Also I never said give into every demand - just sit down establish what is vital and work towards that
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They can easily say you can sign 1 or 2 and say what/who do you want
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A striker would probably be on the top of most peoples lost of what we need
I've seen enough from our forwards to suggest that given a run in the side to get fitness and confidence they will start to score.
In terms of goals, we're not getting nearly enough from midfield. Having said that, I don't think we need to go and buy anyone. Let's invest those we've got.
the don69
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10:44pm Tue 16 Oct 12
the wizard wrote:We could try a deal like when we bought Simon Cox,small fee to start with and give Wolves a big sell on clause!blimey Sweden got a 4-4 draw in Germany after being 4-0 down!football you can never predict it!
Don,
Yep, you are right about Clarke. Never mind what went on before, he will be seeking vengeance, and old boys do come back to haunt us, Rose for one recently. I was thinking of other players over the weekend and I think somebody here mentioned Cassidy then. He seems a good bet, but would he come and more to the point, even with the embargo lifted, could we afford or have the budget for him ?
Oi Den!
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10:44pm Tue 16 Oct 12
the wizard
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10:48pm Tue 16 Oct 12
Oi Den! wrote:Cheers Den, you are OK, you speak your mind, nowt wrong with that.
Well, perhaps we are getting to the nitty gritty. Is PDC saying he bought the wrong players? As it happens I have a lot more faith in both Williams and Collins than PDC appears to have. It's often the service that's the problem. It's no good complaining that the ball was in the opposition box 30 odd times with no end product when 20 odd of those balls were hopeful punts. Anyway, I've said too much - again - so I'll see how things develop for a few days before commenting on here again.
Time is up for me too. Cheers.
Wilesy
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10:50pm Tue 16 Oct 12
the wizard wrote:Wiz I know you wrote off Williams when he hit the woodwork twice in pre season, but I'm a big fan and would say he's currently our best striker and a shame he's injured.
Den,
I honestly think despite his experience as a player our manager under estimated the strength in L1 this season, and the strikers we have are just not cutting the ice the way he wants. In fairness I think he will have to let either Collins or Williams go, so as to generate some income at least towards the next one. Although we don't have a massive squad, by any means, I remember him saying when he first arrived a smaller squad but of a higher quality. I don't think we have been able to the nth degree achieve that just yet, but with the new chairman, I think we may well walk in that direction. I think we will push this season, but a more concerted push next season with some classier players.
Jury is out on Collins for me, but again he seems to be coming good and if he plays like he did v Coventry so much the better.
Rooney also looks decent and deserves a run in the side. Should think he has a respectable goals per minute ratio for us.
Benson well a top bloke and fine League 2 striker but has never really done it in League 1, I think he might be the one to go in Jan, same way that Charlton let him go last year....
Tactics play a part too, Larry Longball not the game for these boys....
Hindsight is wonderful but I think only 1 of Navarro and Miller should have been bought in the summer, probably Miller on showings so far, and an experienced Championship striker brought in instead.
bongiaz
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12:31am Wed 17 Oct 12
the wizard wrote:PDC is a winner like him or loathe him..and I firmly believe he has Swindon Town FC at heart...with him at the healm I also believe we will be in the Premier League within 3 years...his ambition though needs to be supported by the board....Jeremy Wray supported PDC to the hilt because he knew we were going straight up to the promised land.I dont think sacking JW was very honest or the correct thing to do when the chances are PDC would resign? There may be another motive by Black to all of this and it will come out in the wash.I for one do not want to go back to those dark days when It was one man and his dog sat in the Town end with crowds of less than 4000.
bongiaz wrote:Yes I do, but with an additional 1k sold many would not take that view..
the wizard wrote:I purchase my season Ticket every season because I love the club not because of a promise of back to back promotions. Don't you?
London Red wrote:Not to mention the input of supporters who bought S/T's on the promise of back-to-back promotion efforts as well.
Wasn't suggesting SWP is going to be a lackey
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Like PdC who was sold on the "project" laid out to him by JW and RB - SWP must have been sold a "project" by AB
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I just think effectively sacking a very popular chairman as you have a different vision of how to move the club forward that it would be a good idea to tell the fans (who ate vital to the success) what this is
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I get he doesn't like being I the spot light but a statement can alway be posted on the OS by him saying this is my vision, this is why I felt the change was needed now and this is how I think SWP will aid this
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Then more importantly - tell us how it will alter the on field side - if at all
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JW looked like he was going for back to back - if we are now going for consolidation before a push - wouldn't you want to know? Otherwise it will look like a disappointment if we miss out after all the hype so far
To withdraw that now is going back on a promise. That will not go down nicely with most one bit.
I hope we do get back to back, then at least another 1k may take our view. I would hope so, wouldn't you ?

who am i says...
6:35am Tue 16 Oct 12
“There is a three-year plan at this football club. Of course if it is achievable in two years then that is fantastic but the plan is there for three years.”
The owners feel that the commercial side of the club needs to be given the right attention and that the football side of the club is aware of the commercial side.”
Well Paolo from what i can make of it you aint got no more money so you have to make do with what you got and then next season they will invest again because as he says its a three year plan.....hope im wrong....