Change of chairman at Swindon Town (From The Wiltshire Gazette and Herald)

movedaway999 wrote:
I`ve had enough of PDC spitting his dummy out and threatening the Board, and obviously Wray has too. Sounds like PDC has given Wray ultimatums, and Wray has walked away from it. Paulo, forget all the Cantona-esque drivel, just be honest enough to say that you want out and manage Bolton or whoever is crazy enough to take a risk on you. Remember that Swindon WERE big enough to take that risk when nobody else was. Get Wray back and get rid of Paulo. Wray would be here for the long term, unlike PDC who is looking elsewhere. Nice to know you, Jeremy, and many thanks. Paulo, you know where the exit door is.

E ce wrote:
Is Wray remaining at the club though or jsut stepping down from (interim) Chairman and returning to the Board?

movedaway999 wrote:
I`ve had enough of PDC spitting his dummy out and threatening the Board, and obviously Wray has too. Sounds like PDC has given Wray ultimatums, and Wray has walked away from it. Paulo, forget all the Cantona-esque drivel, just be honest enough to say that you want out and manage Bolton or whoever is crazy enough to take a risk on you. Remember that Swindon WERE big enough to take that risk when nobody else was. Get Wray back and get rid of Paulo. Wray would be here for the long term, unlike PDC who is looking elsewhere. Nice to know you, Jeremy, and many thanks. Paulo, you know where the exit door is.

tenerifetaxi wrote:
Clearly we can only guess as to the real issues behind the scenes. For what it is worth, I wonder if JW pushed the board for more investment, in order to support PDC, but the board have decided enough is enough? Hopefully the truth will come out and StFC will continue onwards and upwards!

the wizard wrote:

tenerifetaxi wrote:
Clearly we can only guess as to the real issues behind the scenes. For what it is worth, I wonder if JW pushed the board for more investment, in order to support PDC, but the board have decided enough is enough? Hopefully the truth will come out and StFC will continue onwards and upwards!

I think you may be quite close. Suddenly the tap has been turned off. The board may have decided to cut their losses and go after pumping so much money into the club. I certainly hope not, but its all gone very quiet on the ground re development front for a long time now.
Jay Wray, top man, the place will not be the same without him, for sure.

tenerifetaxi wrote:

the wizard wrote:

tenerifetaxi wrote:
Clearly we can only guess as to the real issues behind the scenes. For what it is worth, I wonder if JW pushed the board for more investment, in order to support PDC, but the board have decided enough is enough? Hopefully the truth will come out and StFC will continue onwards and upwards!

I think you may be quite close. Suddenly the tap has been turned off. The board may have decided to cut their losses and go after pumping so much money into the club. I certainly hope not, but its all gone very quiet on the ground re development front for a long time now.
Jay Wray, top man, the place will not be the same without him, for sure.

It would be a shame, especially as we saw an extra 1000 bums on seats this Saturday, even after taking out the Coventry fans. From the data if old it would be typical for us to self-destruct as we begin to turn the corner, but still remain positive that we are over those dark days!

tenerifetaxi wrote:

the wizard wrote:

tenerifetaxi wrote:
Clearly we can only guess as to the real issues behind the scenes. For what it is worth, I wonder if JW pushed the board for more investment, in order to support PDC, but the board have decided enough is enough? Hopefully the truth will come out and StFC will continue onwards and upwards!

I think you may be quite close. Suddenly the tap has been turned off. The board may have decided to cut their losses and go after pumping so much money into the club. I certainly hope not, but its all gone very quiet on the ground re development front for a long time now.
Jay Wray, top man, the place will not be the same without him, for sure.

It would be a shame, especially as we saw an extra 1000 bums on seats this Saturday, even after taking out the Coventry fans. From the data if old it would be typical for us to self-destruct as we begin to turn the corner, but still remain positive that we are over those dark days!

the wizard wrote:

tenerifetaxi wrote: Clearly we can only guess as to the real issues behind the scenes. For what it is worth, I wonder if JW pushed the board for more investment, in order to support PDC, but the board have decided enough is enough? Hopefully the truth will come out and StFC will continue onwards and upwards!

I think you may be quite close. Suddenly the tap has been turned off. The board may have decided to cut their losses and go after pumping so much money into the club. I certainly hope not, but its all gone very quiet on the ground re development front for a long time now. Jay Wray, top man, the place will not be the same without him, for sure.

Drivetime wrote:
It has just been announced that the new chairman is not investing in the club, this must mean someone has made the decision to appoint this man. Really strange, I hope Wray is not being made a scape goat due to the transfer embargo

Drivetime wrote:
It has just been announced that the new chairman is not investing in the club, this must mean someone has made the decision to appoint this man. Really strange, I hope Wray is not being made a scape goat due to the transfer embargo

Showboat_fc wrote:
Look forward to reading the club's statement on this. Hopefully there is good rationale behind it and Wray stays involved with the club. There is no doubting the positive impact he has had with the club since taking over from AF.

Oi Den! wrote:
I'm finding it hard to digest this news. If we had been told this morning that PDC had quit or been sacked, I wouldn't have been too surprised. But this is a real bombshell. Let's hope the club statement gives us not only an explanation of Wray's departure (or just a move out of the hot seat?), but also a clear idea of where we are supposed to be going from here.

Med Red wrote:
On his Linkedin page, Sir William lists his specialities as “international affairs, Arabist, high level negotiations, corporate management experience at board level and financial and resource management skills”...... has Sir William been appointed to sell the club to Middle Eastern investors? I reckon so!! Get on the case Adver and ask the question.

Drivetime wrote:
It has just been announced that the new chairman is not investing in the club, this must mean someone has made the decision to appoint this man. Really strange, I hope Wray is not being made a scape goat due to the transfer embargo

SeanG92 wrote:

Oi Den! wrote:
I'm finding it hard to digest this news. If we had been told this morning that PDC had quit or been sacked, I wouldn't have been too surprised. But this is a real bombshell. Let's hope the club statement gives us not only an explanation of Wray's departure (or just a move out of the hot seat?), but also a clear idea of where we are supposed to be going from here.

Why wouldn't you have been surprised? :/ This is concerning news, but if PDC was sacked/quit i think we would end up in serious trouble!

mallorca wrote:
Yes is bad news indeed.JW wa a super chairman but just maybe he has paid for his miss-judgements.
Agree with Wiz Pdc will resign.Can you see him working under strict rules and looks as if the new guy is coming in to do a job.
What amazes me is where are all the Pdc lovers now???? I recall I only had to make an opinion and on here and got slagged off.
If Pdc does go all I hope is can the Board appoint a proven Manager at this level.I think most fans have wanted this all along.
This board will not have to sack Pdc he will walk on his own most likely soon.
A very sad affair for the Town however we were told this Board were mega Rich????? well rich people do not throw money away
Just thank JW for what he has done don't think he will be forgotten
As a positive post said onwards and upwards and why not with right guidence they can do it

mallorca wrote:
Yes is bad news indeed.JW wa a super chairman but just maybe he has paid for his miss-judgements.
Agree with Wiz Pdc will resign.Can you see him working under strict rules and looks as if the new guy is coming in to do a job.
What amazes me is where are all the Pdc lovers now???? I recall I only had to make an opinion and on here and got slagged off.
If Pdc does go all I hope is can the Board appoint a proven Manager at this level.I think most fans have wanted this all along.
This board will not have to sack Pdc he will walk on his own most likely soon.
A very sad affair for the Town however we were told this Board were mega Rich????? well rich people do not throw money away
Just thank JW for what he has done don't think he will be forgotten
As a positive post said onwards and upwards and why not with right guidence they can do it

Med Red wrote:
On his Linkedin page, Sir William lists his specialities as “international affairs, Arabist, high level negotiations, corporate management experience at board level and financial and resource management skills”...... has Sir William been appointed to sell the club to Middle Eastern investors? I reckon so!! Get on the case Adver and ask the question.

southside7 wrote:

Med Red wrote:
On his Linkedin page, Sir William lists his specialities as “international affairs, Arabist, high level negotiations, corporate management experience at board level and financial and resource management skills”...... has Sir William been appointed to sell the club to Middle Eastern investors? I reckon so!! Get on the case Adver and ask the question.

The Middle Eastern investors are wrecking our footballing heritage and making teams like Man City the laughing stock of European football. I follow Swindon because I am a Swindonian and because it is a world away from the corporate theatre that is the Premiership. Please, please no foreign investors, please, please, please. Wray, Town legend, decent bloke too, good luck sir.

mallorca wrote:
Yes is bad news indeed.JW wa a super chairman but just maybe he has paid for his miss-judgements.
Agree with Wiz Pdc will resign.Can you see him working under strict rules and looks as if the new guy is coming in to do a job.
What amazes me is where are all the Pdc lovers now???? I recall I only had to make an opinion and on here and got slagged off.
If Pdc does go all I hope is can the Board appoint a proven Manager at this level.I think most fans have wanted this all along.
This board will not have to sack Pdc he will walk on his own most likely soon.
A very sad affair for the Town however we were told this Board were mega Rich????? well rich people do not throw money away
Just thank JW for what he has done don't think he will be forgotten
As a positive post said onwards and upwards and why not with right guidence they can do it

SeanG92 wrote:
Dont like all this talk of PDC "was" the best manager since... ect ect.

He IS the best manager since Hoddle, He IS the current STFC manager and im not so sure that will change!

Paolo has said his ambition is to get a promotion to the championship, we have changed our chairman, but as of yet we dont know if our ambitions have changed, who knows they may have been boosted by this!

if Paolo leaves he isnt going to be under Wray at any other club, I dont see why uprooting himself from Swindon , and then having to find a new job would be of any benifit to himself.

He may get on really well with the new bloke!

Psychedelic Syd wrote:
Sickening news. Are the rest of the board a bunch of lemmings?

No good reason to replace Wray whatsoever, fantastic person. Perhaps the club ought to hold a referendum at the next home match and people vote as they go in - the result would be a foregone conclusion unless Wray has actually chosen to step down, which seems hard to believe.

This is a black day for our club and who knows where this idiotic decision will now take us? Just hope it isn't a jaw-dropping collapse and descent and that is the very real worry for all of us fans with this news.

Chish and Fips wrote:

Psychedelic Syd wrote:
Sickening news. Are the rest of the board a bunch of lemmings?

No good reason to replace Wray whatsoever, fantastic person. Perhaps the club ought to hold a referendum at the next home match and people vote as they go in - the result would be a foregone conclusion unless Wray has actually chosen to step down, which seems hard to believe.

This is a black day for our club and who knows where this idiotic decision will now take us? Just hope it isn't a jaw-dropping collapse and descent and that is the very real worry for all of us fans with this news.

Every one to their own opinion, luckily most are waiting to hear the the reasons - some seem to see it as a chance to monger their ' We are all doomed I say - all doomed' statements .....

SAPFanSTFC wrote:
I guess the big quesiton we have to ask is:
IF Wray was so popular with the fans and the manager....could he also be revered by the board?
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As I and others have mentioned above this guy is not going to be working day to day with PDC and will be looking for investors...if that is to join the current board then great....but as he is not in the mould of a long term Chairman you get the feeling that the board are now looking to sell.....perhaps because they don't feel they can take us any further - more likely to cash in their chips.
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...having said all of that STFC would be an attractive proposition now - rising through the leagues; reasonable value of assets on the books; approval for stadium re-development and great publicity as of late....in the press on a regular basis.
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I don't believe PDC will believe that he can work with an investor hunter as a chairman.
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Really hope I'm talking tosh but very much doubt it as it all looks fairly clear cut form a board level viewpoint.
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DON'T expect too much to come out in words today - there will still be a lot of questions left hanging in the air.
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My worry for PDC is IF they have made the change of chairman public then why the need for a delay in releasing the statement?

SAPFanSTFC wrote:
I guess the big quesiton we have to ask is:
IF Wray was so popular with the fans and the manager....could he also be revered by the board?
---.
As I and others have mentioned above this guy is not going to be working day to day with PDC and will be looking for investors...if that is to join the current board then great....but as he is not in the mould of a long term Chairman you get the feeling that the board are now looking to sell.....perhaps because they don't feel they can take us any further - more likely to cash in their chips.
---.
...having said all of that STFC would be an attractive proposition now - rising through the leagues; reasonable value of assets on the books; approval for stadium re-development and great publicity as of late....in the press on a regular basis.
===.
I don't believe PDC will believe that he can work with an investor hunter as a chairman.
---.
Really hope I'm talking tosh but very much doubt it as it all looks fairly clear cut form a board level viewpoint.
===.
DON'T expect too much to come out in words today - there will still be a lot of questions left hanging in the air.
---.
My worry for PDC is IF they have made the change of chairman public then why the need for a delay in releasing the statement?

hertz wrote:
Sir Bill is big QPR fan :0)

SeanG92 wrote:
Dont like all this talk of PDC "was" the best manager since... ect ect.

He IS the best manager since Hoddle, He IS the current STFC manager and im not so sure that will change!

Paolo has said his ambition is to get a promotion to the championship, we have changed our chairman, but as of yet we dont know if our ambitions have changed, who knows they may have been boosted by this!

if Paolo leaves he isnt going to be under Wray at any other club, I dont see why uprooting himself from Swindon , and then having to find a new job would be of any benifit to himself.

He may get on really well with the new bloke!

P*ssed Off wrote:

SAPFanSTFC wrote:
I guess the big quesiton we have to ask is:
IF Wray was so popular with the fans and the manager....could he also be revered by the board?
---.
As I and others have mentioned above this guy is not going to be working day to day with PDC and will be looking for investors...if that is to join the current board then great....but as he is not in the mould of a long term Chairman you get the feeling that the board are now looking to sell.....perhaps because they don't feel they can take us any further - more likely to cash in their chips.
---.
...having said all of that STFC would be an attractive proposition now - rising through the leagues; reasonable value of assets on the books; approval for stadium re-development and great publicity as of late....in the press on a regular basis.
===.
I don't believe PDC will believe that he can work with an investor hunter as a chairman.
---.
Really hope I'm talking tosh but very much doubt it as it all looks fairly clear cut form a board level viewpoint.
===.
DON'T expect too much to come out in words today - there will still be a lot of questions left hanging in the air.
---.
My worry for PDC is IF they have made the change of chairman public then why the need for a delay in releasing the statement?

SAPF>>>>

"really hope i'm talking tosh...."

You are, and several others on here too - as usual.

All will be revealed in due course...

Oi Den! wrote:

SAPFanSTFC wrote:
I guess the big quesiton we have to ask is:
IF Wray was so popular with the fans and the manager....could he also be revered by the board?
---.
As I and others have mentioned above this guy is not going to be working day to day with PDC and will be looking for investors...if that is to join the current board then great....but as he is not in the mould of a long term Chairman you get the feeling that the board are now looking to sell.....perhaps because they don't feel they can take us any further - more likely to cash in their chips.
---.
...having said all of that STFC would be an attractive proposition now - rising through the leagues; reasonable value of assets on the books; approval for stadium re-development and great publicity as of late....in the press on a regular basis.
===.
I don't believe PDC will believe that he can work with an investor hunter as a chairman.
---.
Really hope I'm talking tosh but very much doubt it as it all looks fairly clear cut form a board level viewpoint.
===.
DON'T expect too much to come out in words today - there will still be a lot of questions left hanging in the air.
---.
My worry for PDC is IF they have made the change of chairman public then why the need for a delay in releasing the statement?

You might have something there SAP. My understanding is that the investors' loans are all repayable next year. They could be paving their way to an exit.
.

Farteaboy wrote:
Says on Wiki that the new chairman "is also a football fan and supports Queens Park Rangers in England together with Hibernian in Scotland.

Thats good enough for me then....

bongiaz wrote:
How about this for a conspiracy theory...PDC wants more players...Wray wants to back him and presented this to the board who declined. Wray has now stepped down. David Jones is struggling at Sheffield Wednesday where PDC is idolised and may have sent feelers out to Swindon about taking on PDC...Wray has warned the board that we could lose PDC if they dont support him? Just a theory?

SAPFanSTFC wrote:

Oi Den! wrote:

SAPFanSTFC wrote:
I guess the big quesiton we have to ask is:
IF Wray was so popular with the fans and the manager....could he also be revered by the board?
---.
As I and others have mentioned above this guy is not going to be working day to day with PDC and will be looking for investors...if that is to join the current board then great....but as he is not in the mould of a long term Chairman you get the feeling that the board are now looking to sell.....perhaps because they don't feel they can take us any further - more likely to cash in their chips.
---.
...having said all of that STFC would be an attractive proposition now - rising through the leagues; reasonable value of assets on the books; approval for stadium re-development and great publicity as of late....in the press on a regular basis.
===.
I don't believe PDC will believe that he can work with an investor hunter as a chairman.
---.
Really hope I'm talking tosh but very much doubt it as it all looks fairly clear cut form a board level viewpoint.
===.
DON'T expect too much to come out in words today - there will still be a lot of questions left hanging in the air.
---.
My worry for PDC is IF they have made the change of chairman public then why the need for a delay in releasing the statement?

You might have something there SAP. My understanding is that the investors' loans are all repayable next year. They could be paving their way to an exit.
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Hi Oi Den, I'd forgotten about the loans as well....all the timings seem right.
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As you mentioned to the other poster we've all put your opinions out there and it is quite interesting how everyone sees things differently.
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Before anyone else gets too 'on the case' there is no reason why a sale with all the relevant due diligence would be a bad thing this time round...we're on the up at this point in time, and not on the way down.
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The only concern I've got is where all of Sir Williams' experience and points of contact would be...he has all of the necessary connections to attract a mid to far Eastern investor/investment group.
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As you say Oi Den - now is the time to wait and see who is right and wrong.
Personally I don't care if I'm right or wrong provided that STFC don't suffer as a result of any future actions.

stfc2012 wrote:
All managers kick off in the dressing room - this is nothing new. To compare PDC to the best manager this country has ever seen is silly. PDC has sacked off more players through falling out in 18 months than Fergie probably has in 25 years. If anything comparing the 2 shows how far apart they are. Just watch a post match interview. When did Fergie last say he was going to walk? You really need to think your comments through before posting them and embarrassing yourself.

Farteaboy wrote:
"At the specific request of the club's majority shareholder, Andrew Black, I have been replaced as Chairman of STFC by Sir William Patey".

Interesting to say the least. Mr Black and Jeremy Wray's brother founded Betfair. Can only assume there must have been a falling out somewhere there!"

bongiaz wrote:

stfc2012 wrote:
All managers kick off in the dressing room - this is nothing new. To compare PDC to the best manager this country has ever seen is silly. PDC has sacked off more players through falling out in 18 months than Fergie probably has in 25 years. If anything comparing the 2 shows how far apart they are. Just watch a post match interview. When did Fergie last say he was going to walk? You really need to think your comments through before posting them and embarrassing yourself.

Not embarrassing myself whatsoever no need to be have a go just because I'm expressing an opinion! Sir Alex remember was not the best manager in the country and was a game away to be sacked until Robins saved his skin. PDC is a new manager and has the same sort of traits as Sir Alex, nothing wrong with comparing the two!

Farteaboy wrote:
"At the specific request of the club's majority shareholder, Andrew Black, I have been replaced as Chairman of STFC by Sir William Patey".

Interesting to say the least. Mr Black and Jeremy Wray's brother founded Betfair. Can only assume there must have been a falling out somewhere there!"

fatman wrote:
This is the begining of the end sorry to say of P D C . It reminds me of another S.T.F.C chairman who was also a Fan one Gary Herbert who took the Helm during troubled times and who like Jeremy Wray did a superb job under difficult circumstances Jeremy many thanks for a wonderful tenure you brought times I don't think we are likely to see again at this club . Sad day all round with the news that Jason Doyle will be missing from the robins team for the play offs , Here comes the rain ( WE HOPE )

madterrier wrote:
From a communications point of view, it'sts very odd to release a statement so early at 6.15am in the morning that Jeremy Wray had been 'replaced', and that the statement from the club is at a later and unspecified time today.

Normally when major PR announcements are made, a time is given for a fuller and clearer statement, it's already been prepared, and it happens quite soon after.

The fact that this isn't the case, and the very early announcement, clearly suggests that he was pushed out as there is already a replacement lined up.

As far as I am aware, Andrew Black owned 25% of Betfair with Jeremy Wray's brother Edward. Before he founded Betfair Andrew was a professional gambler. With Fitton and J.Wray as Chairmen, we never really get to know what their agenda is.

madterrier wrote:
From a communications point of view, it'sts very odd to release a statement so early at 6.15am in the morning that Jeremy Wray had been 'replaced', and that the statement from the club is at a later and unspecified time today.

Normally when major PR announcements are made, a time is given for a fuller and clearer statement, it's already been prepared, and it happens quite soon after.

The fact that this isn't the case, and the very early announcement, clearly suggests that he was pushed out as there is already a replacement lined up.

As far as I am aware, Andrew Black owned 25% of Betfair with Jeremy Wray's brother Edward. Before he founded Betfair Andrew was a professional gambler. With Fitton and J.Wray as Chairmen, we never really get to know what their agenda is.

Blazing Riff wrote:

Farteaboy wrote:
"At the specific request of the club's majority shareholder, Andrew Black, I have been replaced as Chairman of STFC by Sir William Patey".

Interesting to say the least. Mr Black and Jeremy Wray's brother founded Betfair. Can only assume there must have been a falling out somewhere there!"

Why must you assume that?

stfc2012 wrote:

bongiaz wrote:

stfc2012 wrote:
All managers kick off in the dressing room - this is nothing new. To compare PDC to the best manager this country has ever seen is silly. PDC has sacked off more players through falling out in 18 months than Fergie probably has in 25 years. If anything comparing the 2 shows how far apart they are. Just watch a post match interview. When did Fergie last say he was going to walk? You really need to think your comments through before posting them and embarrassing yourself.

Not embarrassing myself whatsoever no need to be have a go just because I'm expressing an opinion! Sir Alex remember was not the best manager in the country and was a game away to be sacked until Robins saved his skin. PDC is a new manager and has the same sort of traits as Sir Alex, nothing wrong with comparing the two!

I wasn't meaning to sound nasty. I was just saying that Fergie has done so well by controlling his outbursts in public - he still has the odd pop. You are right, he was close to the sack and better for it knowing what it's like to have been that close to the sack means he has felt all the emotions as a manager and not just success. PDC's man management is miles away from Fergie's and most other managers'. So far it has worked but it seems at a price.

the don69 wrote:
No statement from the board or J-Wray yet so I will hold fire!just like to say a big THANK-YOU to Mr Wray for his great work,best chairman we have had for many a long year!please can we have a statement about this!or don't Abib and Black give a Sh1t about the Swindon Fans????????????????

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the don69 wrote:
No statement from the board or J-Wray yet so I will hold fire!just like to say a big THANK-YOU to Mr Wray for his great work,best chairman we have had for many a long year!please can we have a statement about this!or don't Abib and Black give a Sh1t about the Swindon Fans????????????????

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jam1 wrote:

the don69 wrote:
No statement from the board or J-Wray yet so I will hold fire!just like to say a big THANK-YOU to Mr Wray for his great work,best chairman we have had for many a long year!please can we have a statement about this!or don't Abib and Black give a Sh1t about the Swindon Fans????????????????


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Where do you think I'm copying and pasting from? It's on the official site. Also there are bits quoted on the bbc league 1 site.

He wasn't pushed. It is with regret the board announce that Jeremy is stepping down.

chalkswindon wrote:
I agree Don it is clear that his replacement was lined up behind his back, so he decided this breakdown in trust left him no choice but to step down from the board.

He obviously took the weekend to decide on whether to step down from the baord or not hence the statement not being ready first thing Monday morning.

It is a great shame that Black felt the need to replace Wray but I guess he felt he had taken us as far as he could.

I suspect if Patey hasnt secured investment or a sale within 12 months he will be replaced.

the don69 wrote:

chalkswindon wrote:
I agree Don it is clear that his replacement was lined up behind his back, so he decided this breakdown in trust left him no choice but to step down from the board.

He obviously took the weekend to decide on whether to step down from the baord or not hence the statement not being ready first thing Monday morning.

It is a great shame that Black felt the need to replace Wray but I guess he felt he had taken us as far as he could.

I suspect if Patey hasnt secured investment or a sale within 12 months he will be replaced.

Yep That looks about right to me!!!!!!

SeanG92 wrote:

the don69 wrote:

chalkswindon wrote:
I agree Don it is clear that his replacement was lined up behind his back, so he decided this breakdown in trust left him no choice but to step down from the board.

He obviously took the weekend to decide on whether to step down from the baord or not hence the statement not being ready first thing Monday morning.

It is a great shame that Black felt the need to replace Wray but I guess he felt he had taken us as far as he could.

I suspect if Patey hasnt secured investment or a sale within 12 months he will be replaced.

Yep That looks about right to me!!!!!!

In the words of the song currently blaring from the speakers at my work-

"We can't go on together, wish suspicious minds, and we can't build our dreams, on suspicious minds!"

Seems very apt currently

SeanG92 wrote:

SeanG92 wrote:

the don69 wrote:

chalkswindon wrote:
I agree Don it is clear that his replacement was lined up behind his back, so he decided this breakdown in trust left him no choice but to step down from the board.

He obviously took the weekend to decide on whether to step down from the baord or not hence the statement not being ready first thing Monday morning.

It is a great shame that Black felt the need to replace Wray but I guess he felt he had taken us as far as he could.

I suspect if Patey hasnt secured investment or a sale within 12 months he will be replaced.

Yep That looks about right to me!!!!!!

In the words of the song currently blaring from the speakers at my work-

"We can't go on together, wish suspicious minds, and we can't build our dreams, on suspicious minds!"

Seems very apt currently

*with

the don69 wrote:

SeanG92 wrote:

SeanG92 wrote:

the don69 wrote:

chalkswindon wrote:
I agree Don it is clear that his replacement was lined up behind his back, so he decided this breakdown in trust left him no choice but to step down from the board.

He obviously took the weekend to decide on whether to step down from the baord or not hence the statement not being ready first thing Monday morning.

It is a great shame that Black felt the need to replace Wray but I guess he felt he had taken us as far as he could.

I suspect if Patey hasnt secured investment or a sale within 12 months he will be replaced.

Yep That looks about right to me!!!!!!

In the words of the song currently blaring from the speakers at my work-

"We can't go on together, wish suspicious minds, and we can't build our dreams, on suspicious minds!"

Seems very apt currently

*with

Sam Morshead has said on Twitter,Wray was replaced at the request of majority share holder BLACK,HE WAS PUSHED OUT BY BLACK!!!!!!!!!!!!

stfcluke7 wrote:
I am not sure why everyone has decided Dicanio is now going to leave. Whether its a good or bad thing I think the new chairman has been brought in to seek Middle east investment/owners. I believe DiCanio will be a major selling point to them as someone they would know and of heard of. I think we should be more worried about whether this is the direction we want to head in.

Since 1950 wrote:

stfcluke7 wrote:
I am not sure why everyone has decided Dicanio is now going to leave. Whether its a good or bad thing I think the new chairman has been brought in to seek Middle east investment/owners. I believe DiCanio will be a major selling point to them as someone they would know and of heard of. I think we should be more worried about whether this is the direction we want to head in.

Whether or not Sir William Patey has been brought to the club to get Mid East money is not really the point. He could have been brought in to do that in a consutancy role, without ousting Mr Wray.
Put it in whatever diplomatic language you want, Andrew Black has sacked Mr Wray as Chairman and that's it. Plain and simple.
Also what is a non executive, part time Chairman?
Mr Wray has done a great job here following our disastrous relegation.
I think Sir William has been brought in to balance the books. That will mean good bye Paolo as he wont be getting any new players.To be honest, I can't see good coming of this.

Oi Den! wrote:

Since 1950 wrote:

stfcluke7 wrote: I am not sure why everyone has decided Dicanio is now going to leave. Whether its a good or bad thing I think the new chairman has been brought in to seek Middle east investment/owners. I believe DiCanio will be a major selling point to them as someone they would know and of heard of. I think we should be more worried about whether this is the direction we want to head in.

Whether or not Sir William Patey has been brought to the club to get Mid East money is not really the point. He could have been brought in to do that in a consutancy role, without ousting Mr Wray. Put it in whatever diplomatic language you want, Andrew Black has sacked Mr Wray as Chairman and that's it. Plain and simple. Also what is a non executive, part time Chairman? Mr Wray has done a great job here following our disastrous relegation. I think Sir William has been brought in to balance the books. That will mean good bye Paolo as he wont be getting any new players.To be honest, I can't see good coming of this.

"Stop all the clocks...."? . Agree with most of that 1950 but I'm not sure I would share the pessimism of your last sentence. It's an uncomfortable episode. However, Black has made a high profile apppointment that seems to show he means business, which surely is a positive sign?

madterrier wrote:
Make no mistake, the money behind Swindon has always been Black and Arbib. Not Wray or Fitton.

They have chosen to take a back seat so far. But now we've run out of other board members who were happy to front up as chairman.

I would hope that Black and Arbib do open up a more visible and direct line of communication with the fans, as it is going to be difficult for people to just accept an ambassador and his boxes of Ferrero Rocher chocolates out of the blue. Paolo may feel the same.

And if he is there only to secure investment, there was no need to make him chairman of the football club. They could employ him in an investment advisory capacity specifically, or use other conduits to sound out the market. So clearly there has been a falling out with J Wray over something else.

The big question for me would be whether our backers want out altogether, or think they have dipped their hands in their pockets far enough and want additional 'investment' to develop the ground.

Blazing Riff wrote:
'At the specific request of....Andrew Black...' This sounds nasty. How about we, the fans, ask Mr. Black, why his 'specific' request and not the shareholders/board as a whole?

jam1 wrote:
Sir William commented: “I am delighted to become Chairman of Swindon Town at such an exciting time. I look forward to working with Paolo, the Board and the whole Club so that success on the pitch can continue and take the Club back to the npower Championship.




“In addition, my task will be to secure new investment to support the programme of ground redevelopment and to co-ordinate the execution of the Club’s longer term strategic plans. I look forward to working with those who share the same ambitions for the Club both on and off the field and relish the opportunity to take on this challenge. The Club has achieved much under the Chairmanship of Jeremy Wray and on behalf of the Board and investor base we would like to thank him for his efforts over the course of the last 18 months.”




Jeremy Wray, after careful consideration, has taken the decision to resign from the STFC Board with immediate effect. Regretting this decision, the Board would like to place on record its thanks for Jeremy’s invaluable contribution to the club since his initial involvement in January 2008 and justly proud of his achievements since assuming the role of Chairman in May 2011.

Oi Den! wrote:

SAPFanSTFC wrote:

Oi Den! wrote:

SAPFanSTFC wrote:
I guess the big quesiton we have to ask is:
IF Wray was so popular with the fans and the manager....could he also be revered by the board?
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As I and others have mentioned above this guy is not going to be working day to day with PDC and will be looking for investors...if that is to join the current board then great....but as he is not in the mould of a long term Chairman you get the feeling that the board are now looking to sell.....perhaps because they don't feel they can take us any further - more likely to cash in their chips.
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...having said all of that STFC would be an attractive proposition now - rising through the leagues; reasonable value of assets on the books; approval for stadium re-development and great publicity as of late....in the press on a regular basis.
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I don't believe PDC will believe that he can work with an investor hunter as a chairman.
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Really hope I'm talking tosh but very much doubt it as it all looks fairly clear cut form a board level viewpoint.
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DON'T expect too much to come out in words today - there will still be a lot of questions left hanging in the air.
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My worry for PDC is IF they have made the change of chairman public then why the need for a delay in releasing the statement?

You might have something there SAP. My understanding is that the investors' loans are all repayable next year. They could be paving their way to an exit.
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Hi Oi Den, I'd forgotten about the loans as well....all the timings seem right.
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As you mentioned to the other poster we've all put your opinions out there and it is quite interesting how everyone sees things differently.
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Before anyone else gets too 'on the case' there is no reason why a sale with all the relevant due diligence would be a bad thing this time round...we're on the up at this point in time, and not on the way down.
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The only concern I've got is where all of Sir Williams' experience and points of contact would be...he has all of the necessary connections to attract a mid to far Eastern investor/investment group.
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As you say Oi Den - now is the time to wait and see who is right and wrong.
Personally I don't care if I'm right or wrong provided that STFC don't suffer as a result of any future actions.

Yes, I think most would agree with that last statement.
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It would be good to hear some official news from the club, even if it's just to say when they expect to release a statement. As you said earlier, we probably shouldn't expect to much from that, but I would like to hear something in it about the ground redevelopment. I think the club has not been completely frank about what's happening or not happening on that front. It's pivotal to the club's medium and long term future. I wouldn't be surprised if it's also a factor in this latest piece of news.

BillyLucas4me wrote:
The Board have apparently recorded their thanks to Jeremy Wray for his efforts in the most successful recent history of the Club before welcoming Sir William Patey a former Ambassador to Iraq, Afghanistan and Saudi Arabia apparently to ensure that funds for the ground improvement are forthcoming.
I am sure we will wish him well in his efforts in that direction.
As to the decision to change the Chaiman, there is a saying 'if it ain't broke don't mend it' and things appeared to be going quite well recantly!
Will Sir William be wearing a QPR shirt to home matches?

Angolan Red wrote:
Wrong person gone, should have been Decanio as Ritchie is only half the player without Caddis who I doubt very much whether Decanio will give a second chance. Also he moans that squad isnt good enough well its his squad

BillyLucas4me wrote:
Mr Black is a gambler hope this turns out to be one of his better bets.

Oi Den! wrote:
Terrier, I think a clue to the fall out might be in Wray's statement: "When I agreed to take over as Chairman it was on the understanding that the Board would confirm the appointment of Paolo Di Canio as manager and would commit to a three-year plan to support him, his management staff and players in the attempt to achieve promotion back to the Championship."
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Sounds like Black has concluded that we need to rein in the spending while Wray was committed to continuing it. This would seem to fit with PDC's "If the plan has changed..." statement.

the wizard wrote:
As I said earlier, we don't know and we are guessing. Lets just see how things pan out over the next few days/ weeks before jumping to conclusions. It seems that this was all planned by Black some time in advance, to get someone with this sort of CV takes time. You would have had to start putting out feelers quietly months ago. I think we would do well to let the dust settle. We all feel for Wray and he has earned our allegiance, we will now have to adjust to a different style from the new man. Before casting the club into doom and gloom I think we should wait. Our manager is no doubt being informed of how things are going to work under the new man, if he hasn't been already, and maybe he will get funds, we shall have to wait and see. Patience chaps, patience, 5th most stressful club to support in the league, we should be used to this by now. LOL.

the wizard wrote:
Stigger,

If you look at,

http://en.wikipedia.

org/wiki/Swindon_Tow

n_F.C.

A long way down the page it clearly says,

The "Football Fever Report" published by statisticians of the Littlewoods Football Pools was released in January 2007. This report researched those teams that were the most stressful to support. Swindon Town were placed 5th out of all 92 League clubs, with the report stating – etc, you will have to read it.

Since 1950 wrote:

Blazing Riff wrote:
'At the specific request of....Andrew Black...' This sounds nasty. How about we, the fans, ask Mr. Black, why his 'specific' request and not the shareholders/board as a whole?

Because Andrew Black is the majority shareholder.

the wizard wrote:
Stigger,

If you look at,

http://en.wikipedia.

org/wiki/Swindon_Tow

n_F.C.

A long way down the page it clearly says,

The "Football Fever Report" published by statisticians of the Littlewoods Football Pools was released in January 2007. This report researched those teams that were the most stressful to support. Swindon Town were placed 5th out of all 92 League clubs, with the report stating – etc, you will have to read it.

hertz wrote:
Stigger it was posted many years back when we were in and out of financial problems at the time we were about 5th , Man City were 4th I think for almost same reasons , with Portsmouth and many other clubs in financial trouble all that may have changed now , just does'nt feel like it to me and the Wiz :0) . I sometimes wish I could just turn up pay my money and enjoy the gamne instead of getting all concerned , after all I go the the cinema pay my money and watch a movie , I don't start moaning about the cinema manager if he has the wrong movies on . I can only guess it's becasue we care "Funny Ole Game Innit ??"

stigger wrote:

the wizard wrote:
As I said earlier, we don't know and we are guessing. Lets just see how things pan out over the next few days/ weeks before jumping to conclusions. It seems that this was all planned by Black some time in advance, to get someone with this sort of CV takes time. You would have had to start putting out feelers quietly months ago. I think we would do well to let the dust settle. We all feel for Wray and he has earned our allegiance, we will now have to adjust to a different style from the new man. Before casting the club into doom and gloom I think we should wait. Our manager is no doubt being informed of how things are going to work under the new man, if he hasn't been already, and maybe he will get funds, we shall have to wait and see. Patience chaps, patience, 5th most stressful club to support in the league, we should be used to this by now. LOL.

Read this a few times now on this forum, where does 5th most stressful club come from?? I'd like to read that article

RAYSPARROW wrote:
Why?

Jibberjab wrote:
Would not be sad to see the gobshite that is Di Canio go, and then get a 'proper' manager that is capable of building up a club in the traditional way over a few seasons like Hoddle or Macari did, rather trying to buy their way up the leagues and bankrupting the club for the own gain, and mouthing off like a three year old if they do not get what his own way, so Di Canio do me a favour and go and bleed some other club dry.

Blazing Riff wrote:

Since 1950 wrote:

Blazing Riff wrote: 'At the specific request of....Andrew Black...' This sounds nasty. How about we, the fans, ask Mr. Black, why his 'specific' request and not the shareholders/board as a whole?

Because Andrew Black is the majority shareholder.

What I mean is, is it representative of the others or, personal do you think?

Since 1950 wrote:

Blazing Riff wrote:

Since 1950 wrote:

Blazing Riff wrote: 'At the specific request of....Andrew Black...' This sounds nasty. How about we, the fans, ask Mr. Black, why his 'specific' request and not the shareholders/board as a whole?

Because Andrew Black is the majority shareholder.

What I mean is, is it representative of the others or, personal do you think?

Well, with Mr Wray gone that only leaves Watkins, Backhouse & Black as Directors. Not even sure where Abib fits in as he's not listed as a director in the last published annual report and financial statement. Basically It's Andrew Blacks Club - he does what he wants. One can only speculate that Andrew Black was not happy with the way Mr Wray had taken the club financially. That's why I say Di Canio's days are numbered.

bongiaz wrote:

Jibberjab wrote:
Would not be sad to see the gobshite that is Di Canio go, and then get a 'proper' manager that is capable of building up a club in the traditional way over a few seasons like Hoddle or Macari did, rather trying to buy their way up the leagues and bankrupting the club for the own gain, and mouthing off like a three year old if they do not get what his own way, so Di Canio do me a favour and go and bleed some other club dry.

Dont make me laugh....Macari yes a legend with Swindon but come on we were demoted two divisions because of his underhand cash payments to players! And the Great Glen Hoddle yes got us promoted thanks but left us in the lurch to go to Chelsea and our financial woes have got worse and worse since then!

Angolan Red wrote:
Dont agree bigest squad in leage 2 a muppet could have got us up and when did we last beat oxford

Angolan Red wrote:
Dont agree bigest squad in leage 2 a muppet could have got us up and when did we last beat oxford

Angolan Red wrote:
Dont agree bigest squad in leage 2 a muppet could have got us up and when did we last beat oxford

SeanG92 wrote:
In other news Navarro has done in his medial ligament, its a grade 2 tear which will put him out for around a month.

SeanG92 wrote:

Angolan Red wrote:
Dont agree bigest squad in leage 2 a muppet could have got us up and when did we last beat oxford

Do you realise how obvious it is that you are an Oxford fan?

With far to much time on his hands.

Angolan Red wrote:
Dont agree bigest squad in leage 2 a muppet could have got us up and when did we last beat oxford

Oi Den! wrote:
"In addition, my task will be to secure new investment to support the programme of ground redevelopment..." - Is this a reverse way of saying "no further investment = no redevelopment"? Sir William could make his mark quickly by stating what the club wants to do, when it wants do it and what it is conditional upon.
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I cannot get my head around PDC and others talking about getting the embargo lifted with the injection of more money. Isn't the whole purpose of the embargo to ensure that clubs fund transfers with operating income? This is why I don't understand PDC going on about getting the embargo cancelled. Don't we need more turnover to achieve that? Or am I being spectacularly thick on this subject?
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The immediate future is going to be very interesting. I don't think it will be long before we find out whether PDC and Sir WP are happy bedfellows.

Davidsyrett wrote:

Oi Den! wrote:
"In addition, my task will be to secure new investment to support the programme of ground redevelopment..." - Is this a reverse way of saying "no further investment = no redevelopment"? Sir William could make his mark quickly by stating what the club wants to do, when it wants do it and what it is conditional upon.
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I cannot get my head around PDC and others talking about getting the embargo lifted with the injection of more money. Isn't the whole purpose of the embargo to ensure that clubs fund transfers with operating income? This is why I don't understand PDC going on about getting the embargo cancelled. Don't we need more turnover to achieve that? Or am I being spectacularly thick on this subject?
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The immediate future is going to be very interesting. I don't think it will be long before we find out whether PDC and Sir WP are happy bedfellows.

Additional revenue generated by the club is all that can lift the transfer embargo, not investment,as that doesn't count towards turn-over. New sponsorship can also count.

the only realistic way is to send back loan players to their parent club or loan out our own players.

As for PdC's future, I'm not sure that he's a great selling point for potential Far East investors (or many investors for that matter), I feel his days might well be numbered.,

I wonder where this leaves the ground development, JW was always set on the idea of developing the CG but I wonder if the board are looking more at relocation?

Got a bad feeling about all of this, new chairman has to issue a statement soon to outline his plans.

the wizard wrote:

Davidsyrett wrote:

Oi Den! wrote:
"In addition, my task will be to secure new investment to support the programme of ground redevelopment..." - Is this a reverse way of saying "no further investment = no redevelopment"? Sir William could make his mark quickly by stating what the club wants to do, when it wants do it and what it is conditional upon.
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I cannot get my head around PDC and others talking about getting the embargo lifted with the injection of more money. Isn't the whole purpose of the embargo to ensure that clubs fund transfers with operating income? This is why I don't understand PDC going on about getting the embargo cancelled. Don't we need more turnover to achieve that? Or am I being spectacularly thick on this subject?
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The immediate future is going to be very interesting. I don't think it will be long before we find out whether PDC and Sir WP are happy bedfellows.

Additional revenue generated by the club is all that can lift the transfer embargo, not investment,as that doesn't count towards turn-over. New sponsorship can also count.

the only realistic way is to send back loan players to their parent club or loan out our own players.

As for PdC's future, I'm not sure that he's a great selling point for potential Far East investors (or many investors for that matter), I feel his days might well be numbered.,

I wonder where this leaves the ground development, JW was always set on the idea of developing the CG but I wonder if the board are looking more at relocation?

Got a bad feeling about all of this, new chairman has to issue a statement soon to outline his plans.

The quiet word on ground development is we are now back to looking at a site down by the M4. Other suggestions are we are already talking to Saudi people. Seems our new man has already been actively engaged in prelim talks. These are all stories being banded around in Swindon today according to relatives that live there. Obviously the rumour mill is back in full swing, I'll wait till I see an Official Club Announcement until I believe any of it. One thing is for sure, this has been in the pipeline a while. People with these credentials are not readily available. Black has sought out somebody who has an exact profile for what he want s to do.
I think the writing was on the wall for Wray the minute we were promoted.

Oi Den! wrote:
Bloody hell Wiz. Your giving louiscassius a real run for his money with your rumours! How would people somehow miraculously know today that we are looking at a site near the M4 and that our new Chairman has already been in talks with Arab investors when nobady seemed to have the faintest sniff that this change was about to happen? Has Sir William spent the day hanging around the County Ground ticket office, accosting poor unsuspecting ticket buyers and regaling them with stories of what he has already been up to on their behalf? Pull the other one!

Jibberjab wrote:
**** off Di Canio, no one is bigger then the club, especially not a jumped up little gobshite like you, making threats that if demands must be meet or he will quit, Can't stand the man sooner he's goes the better....

Jibberjab wrote:
**** off Di Canio, no one is bigger then the club, especially not a jumped up little gobshite like you, making threats that if demands must be meet or he will quit, Can't stand the man sooner he's goes the better....

Jibberjab wrote:
**** off Di Canio, no one is bigger then the club, especially not a jumped up little gobshite like you, making threats that if demands must be meet or he will quit, Can't stand the man sooner he's goes the better....

who am i wrote:
oh poo

mikek wrote:
I have always believed the way forward would be a complete new ground down at the M4 similar to say Reading and feel Andrew Black has decided he needs more investment hence the change and wants a complete new complex to house STFC. As good as the County Ground has been it really is a new ground that will take this club forward and attract more fans. Gates this season are poor and not much better than last season and will be noted by Andrew Black.

the wizard wrote:
Moving on from the abuse, I am wondering now about the "working relationship" between manager and new chair. It's quite obvious the manager and JW were very close and one seems to think perhaps several small chats a week about injuries, players and so on. The new guy doesn't seem on initial face value to be interested in that amount of detail in team affairs. he seems to me to be more "corporate", image, marketing, sponsors, investors, entertaining etc etc, not the hands on JW type. So it looks like our manager will not have that ear at the higher level now, he will be left more to his own devices. It could be the making of him, if he takes the time to indulge in it, but the big question is , Will He?

joey butler wrote:
Having read all the statements, quotations and all the posts on the various Adver articles today, plus BBC and Sky Sports, my thoughts are as follows;

Firstly, very best wishes and sincere thanks to Mr Wray.

The burning issue however, is where does this leave PDC?

His Strengths:

Desire. Passion. Commitment. Detailed preparation before matches. Proud, Vast experience as a player.

His Weaknesses:

Man Management skills out of date, which will prevent him from managing at the highest level, unless he changes sooner rather than later.

Also, Over dependance on his agent, who seems to burn money either in finding new players, or helping negotiate their pay offs after PDC no longer requires them.

In summary, you just have to love PDC, his enthusiasm is fantastic, but he is his biggest enemy with his constant and very public outbursts with his Players and his Board.

PS. Just noticed that PDC says in his statement just released that his agent will be talking to the new Chairman, BIG MISTAKE PDC, with respect that should be You!!

southside7 wrote:

joey butler wrote: Having read all the statements, quotations and all the posts on the various Adver articles today, plus BBC and Sky Sports, my thoughts are as follows; Firstly, very best wishes and sincere thanks to Mr Wray. The burning issue however, is where does this leave PDC? His Strengths: Desire. Passion. Commitment. Detailed preparation before matches. Proud, Vast experience as a player. His Weaknesses: Man Management skills out of date, which will prevent him from managing at the highest level, unless he changes sooner rather than later. Also, Over dependance on his agent, who seems to burn money either in finding new players, or helping negotiate their pay offs after PDC no longer requires them. In summary, you just have to love PDC, his enthusiasm is fantastic, but he is his biggest enemy with his constant and very public outbursts with his Players and his Board. PS. Just noticed that PDC says in his statement just released that his agent will be talking to the new Chairman, BIG MISTAKE PDC, with respect that should be You!!

He didn't even have the courtesy to speak to Phil Smith Joey. It's his new boss and he sends his agent, if you don't want the job anymore PdC have the guts to come out and say it.

Oxon-Red wrote:

southside7 wrote:

joey butler wrote: Having read all the statements, quotations and all the posts on the various Adver articles today, plus BBC and Sky Sports, my thoughts are as follows; Firstly, very best wishes and sincere thanks to Mr Wray. The burning issue however, is where does this leave PDC? His Strengths: Desire. Passion. Commitment. Detailed preparation before matches. Proud, Vast experience as a player. His Weaknesses: Man Management skills out of date, which will prevent him from managing at the highest level, unless he changes sooner rather than later. Also, Over dependance on his agent, who seems to burn money either in finding new players, or helping negotiate their pay offs after PDC no longer requires them. In summary, you just have to love PDC, his enthusiasm is fantastic, but he is his biggest enemy with his constant and very public outbursts with his Players and his Board. PS. Just noticed that PDC says in his statement just released that his agent will be talking to the new Chairman, BIG MISTAKE PDC, with respect that should be You!!

He didn't even have the courtesy to speak to Phil Smith Joey. It's his new boss and he sends his agent, if you don't want the job anymore PdC have the guts to come out and say it.

In the Article above Paolo states that he won't be conducting media interviews etc because that he wants to concentrate on the team and Saturdays match.

I agree he may have dealt with Smith wrongly but he has a job to do with the team that needs his time more than talks with the new chairman and he has entrusted this to someone else. Not an uncommon practise in any sphere.

COYMR

Oxon-Red wrote:

southside7 wrote:

joey butler wrote: Having read all the statements, quotations and all the posts on the various Adver articles today, plus BBC and Sky Sports, my thoughts are as follows; Firstly, very best wishes and sincere thanks to Mr Wray. The burning issue however, is where does this leave PDC? His Strengths: Desire. Passion. Commitment. Detailed preparation before matches. Proud, Vast experience as a player. His Weaknesses: Man Management skills out of date, which will prevent him from managing at the highest level, unless he changes sooner rather than later. Also, Over dependance on his agent, who seems to burn money either in finding new players, or helping negotiate their pay offs after PDC no longer requires them. In summary, you just have to love PDC, his enthusiasm is fantastic, but he is his biggest enemy with his constant and very public outbursts with his Players and his Board. PS. Just noticed that PDC says in his statement just released that his agent will be talking to the new Chairman, BIG MISTAKE PDC, with respect that should be You!!

He didn't even have the courtesy to speak to Phil Smith Joey. It's his new boss and he sends his agent, if you don't want the job anymore PdC have the guts to come out and say it.

In the Article above Paolo states that he won't be conducting media interviews etc because that he wants to concentrate on the team and Saturdays match.

I agree he may have dealt with Smith wrongly but he has a job to do with the team that needs his time more than talks with the new chairman and he has entrusted this to someone else. Not an uncommon practise in any sphere.

COYMR

joey butler wrote:

Oxon-Red wrote:

southside7 wrote:

joey butler wrote: Having read all the statements, quotations and all the posts on the various Adver articles today, plus BBC and Sky Sports, my thoughts are as follows; Firstly, very best wishes and sincere thanks to Mr Wray. The burning issue however, is where does this leave PDC? His Strengths: Desire. Passion. Commitment. Detailed preparation before matches. Proud, Vast experience as a player. His Weaknesses: Man Management skills out of date, which will prevent him from managing at the highest level, unless he changes sooner rather than later. Also, Over dependance on his agent, who seems to burn money either in finding new players, or helping negotiate their pay offs after PDC no longer requires them. In summary, you just have to love PDC, his enthusiasm is fantastic, but he is his biggest enemy with his constant and very public outbursts with his Players and his Board. PS. Just noticed that PDC says in his statement just released that his agent will be talking to the new Chairman, BIG MISTAKE PDC, with respect that should be You!!

He didn't even have the courtesy to speak to Phil Smith Joey. It's his new boss and he sends his agent, if you don't want the job anymore PdC have the guts to come out and say it.

In the Article above Paolo states that he won't be conducting media interviews etc because that he wants to concentrate on the team and Saturdays match. I agree he may have dealt with Smith wrongly but he has a job to do with the team that needs his time more than talks with the new chairman and he has entrusted this to someone else. Not an uncommon practise in any sphere. COYMR

Oxen, There is a very big difference between speaking to the media and the far more important opportunity for PDC to talk with his new Chairman. I disagree with PDC and likewise with you, if I was the new Chairman, I would want to speak to the engine driver, not the fireman!!!

Stratton Red wrote:
Not sure what to make of the situation. In any re-org you tend to think the key staff, and I would include PDC in that, have been informed with a reassurance that there is not detraction from the three year plan. Has this statement been made? Maybe there's a bigger brighter picture thats yet to emerge... * For me JW a good bloke, was a decent chariman but will always be tainted by the unsavoury Luke McCormick situation.

Oxon-Red wrote:

joey butler wrote:

Oxon-Red wrote:

southside7 wrote:

joey butler wrote: Having read all the statements, quotations and all the posts on the various Adver articles today, plus BBC and Sky Sports, my thoughts are as follows; Firstly, very best wishes and sincere thanks to Mr Wray. The burning issue however, is where does this leave PDC? His Strengths: Desire. Passion. Commitment. Detailed preparation before matches. Proud, Vast experience as a player. His Weaknesses: Man Management skills out of date, which will prevent him from managing at the highest level, unless he changes sooner rather than later. Also, Over dependance on his agent, who seems to burn money either in finding new players, or helping negotiate their pay offs after PDC no longer requires them. In summary, you just have to love PDC, his enthusiasm is fantastic, but he is his biggest enemy with his constant and very public outbursts with his Players and his Board. PS. Just noticed that PDC says in his statement just released that his agent will be talking to the new Chairman, BIG MISTAKE PDC, with respect that should be You!!

He didn't even have the courtesy to speak to Phil Smith Joey. It's his new boss and he sends his agent, if you don't want the job anymore PdC have the guts to come out and say it.

In the Article above Paolo states that he won't be conducting media interviews etc because that he wants to concentrate on the team and Saturdays match. I agree he may have dealt with Smith wrongly but he has a job to do with the team that needs his time more than talks with the new chairman and he has entrusted this to someone else. Not an uncommon practise in any sphere. COYMR

Oxen, There is a very big difference between speaking to the media and the far more important opportunity for PDC to talk with his new Chairman. I disagree with PDC and likewise with you, if I was the new Chairman, I would want to speak to the engine driver, not the fireman!!!

Fair point and I suspect a meeting will take place but when it comes to contracts, finance etc etc etc most humble football league managers will not necessarily know the ins and outs.

Many sports people (and business people) have a team around them that deal with various aspects of their career to enable them to concentrate on their job. I don't see any difference here.

Jibberjab wrote:
**** off Di Canio, no one is bigger then the club, especially not a jumped up little gobshite like you, making threats that if demands must be meet or he will quit, Can't stand the man sooner he's goes the better....

Davethered wrote:
Just seen Harry Redknapp leaving the CC .


Sorry I meant Harry Potter

SAPFanSTFC wrote:

Davethered wrote:
Just seen Harry Redknapp leaving the CC .


Sorry I meant Harry Potter

...oh Poo!!...to nab an expression - I was hoping to nick his Nimbus 2000 as I could do with getting into London a bit earlier tomorrow morning and the traffic will be rubbish given the weather forecast.
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We may need Harry Potter come Sunday next week.
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If Lord Fontelroy....I mean SIr Jackseat is out of the country it would strongly suggest that stage 1 of the plan is complete, stage 2 to follow on Sunday after PDC has said goodbye and stage 3 to be the announcement of a Middle East Oil Barron's investment in an out of town plastic bowl with gold souk and a Mosque - probably being unfair on the Gold Souk as I think I mispelt it.
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Very unhappy chappy today...lets hope the Les Miserables mood can lift in November.
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Feel sorry for the players...especially with a big League Cup 4th Rd home tie coming up.

the wizard wrote:

SAPFanSTFC wrote:

Davethered wrote:
Just seen Harry Redknapp leaving the CC .


Sorry I meant Harry Potter

...oh Poo!!...to nab an expression - I was hoping to nick his Nimbus 2000 as I could do with getting into London a bit earlier tomorrow morning and the traffic will be rubbish given the weather forecast.
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We may need Harry Potter come Sunday next week.
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If Lord Fontelroy....I mean SIr Jackseat is out of the country it would strongly suggest that stage 1 of the plan is complete, stage 2 to follow on Sunday after PDC has said goodbye and stage 3 to be the announcement of a Middle East Oil Barron's investment in an out of town plastic bowl with gold souk and a Mosque - probably being unfair on the Gold Souk as I think I mispelt it.
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Very unhappy chappy today...lets hope the Les Miserables mood can lift in November.
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Feel sorry for the players...especially with a big League Cup 4th Rd home tie coming up.

Feeling gutted tonight as well. Some days I mark on the calender like anniversaries etc because the missus don't remember then any more. Days like today I put on the calender for posterity, just a reminder of some great times, and despite my opinions of a certain managers PR, his abilities as a trainer/coach are not in question. What is in question now, is how long will he stay and how long before we descend into the turmoil from where we have just come from.

A statement of clarification would ease the souls of many, I wonder if that will be in Saturdays match day programme, that seems likely. Time for Black to show himself and come clean over the future he has envisaged, a public appearance would go down well. Directors box on Saturday ??????

joey butler wrote:
Having read all the statements, quotations and all the posts on the various Adver articles today, plus BBC and Sky Sports, my thoughts are as follows;

Firstly, very best wishes and sincere thanks to Mr Wray.

The burning issue however, is where does this leave PDC?

His Strengths:

Desire. Passion. Commitment. Detailed preparation before matches. Proud, Vast experience as a player.

His Weaknesses:

Man Management skills out of date, which will prevent him from managing at the highest level, unless he changes sooner rather than later.

Also, Over dependance on his agent, who seems to burn money either in finding new players, or helping negotiate their pay offs after PDC no longer requires them.

In summary, you just have to love PDC, his enthusiasm is fantastic, but he is his biggest enemy with his constant and very public outbursts with his Players and his Board.

PS. Just noticed that PDC says in his statement just released that his agent will be talking to the new Chairman, BIG MISTAKE PDC, with respect that should be You!!

joey butler wrote:

Oxon-Red wrote:

joey butler wrote:

Oxon-Red wrote:

southside7 wrote:

joey butler wrote: Having read all the statements, quotations and all the posts on the various Adver articles today, plus BBC and Sky Sports, my thoughts are as follows; Firstly, very best wishes and sincere thanks to Mr Wray. The burning issue however, is where does this leave PDC? His Strengths: Desire. Passion. Commitment. Detailed preparation before matches. Proud, Vast experience as a player. His Weaknesses: Man Management skills out of date, which will prevent him from managing at the highest level, unless he changes sooner rather than later. Also, Over dependance on his agent, who seems to burn money either in finding new players, or helping negotiate their pay offs after PDC no longer requires them. In summary, you just have to love PDC, his enthusiasm is fantastic, but he is his biggest enemy with his constant and very public outbursts with his Players and his Board. PS. Just noticed that PDC says in his statement just released that his agent will be talking to the new Chairman, BIG MISTAKE PDC, with respect that should be You!!

He didn't even have the courtesy to speak to Phil Smith Joey. It's his new boss and he sends his agent, if you don't want the job anymore PdC have the guts to come out and say it.

In the Article above Paolo states that he won't be conducting media interviews etc because that he wants to concentrate on the team and Saturdays match. I agree he may have dealt with Smith wrongly but he has a job to do with the team that needs his time more than talks with the new chairman and he has entrusted this to someone else. Not an uncommon practise in any sphere. COYMR

Oxen, There is a very big difference between speaking to the media and the far more important opportunity for PDC to talk with his new Chairman. I disagree with PDC and likewise with you, if I was the new Chairman, I would want to speak to the engine driver, not the fireman!!!

Fair point and I suspect a meeting will take place but when it comes to contracts, finance etc etc etc most humble football league managers will not necessarily know the ins and outs. Many sports people (and business people) have a team around them that deal with various aspects of their career to enable them to concentrate on their job. I don't see any difference here.

Sorry Oxen, But when was PDC a 'humble football league manager', your words not mine. But to be fair, you did make me laugh with that view!!

stfc2012 wrote:
I think there is enough clarification so not sure what people are expecting to hear from Black or anyone else at the moment. Wray has said he was moved on by Black. Patey said he will continue the 3 year plan and find some investment. The plan remains but Black decided we needed another man to take us forward. That's all we need to know. The embargo would have been a factor but to be honest they may have had Patey in mind since Fitton was moved on and Wray stood in. I am rather excited by this appointment. He has done a great deal for this country and must be an expert negotiator and patient man. Must surely have a ruthless streak and won't be fooled by anyone. I'd imagine very well connected too which won't do any harm. Let's all stop crying over Wray as he's a big boy and will have plenty to keep him busy and walks away with the fans respect. Let's give Patey a warm welcome and give him a chance. And get singing our new song : 'He'd rather be in Swindon than Iraq, He'd rather be in Swindon than Iraq....'

Malkym wrote:
Dear Mr Ian Charles Michael King -you've made somereally crass statements in the past old chap but this beats them all ->

Black won't appear in front of a ground he has no real interest in - spineless cowards like him will only appear if they have a BIG announcement to make - not to us but to the press....then he'll be stood there shaking hands with the new owners whilst wearing a brand new STFC scarf...which he's borrowed.
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so this is the spineless coward who single handedly has been financing all of PDC's spending and been propping up STFC on his jack! I'm sure he will appreciate your glowing endorsement of him.

Suggest you read STFC2012's post for an extremely well balanced interpretation of the situation and where the club is now at and where its going to be going forward.

Oi Den! wrote:

stfc2012 wrote:
I think there is enough clarification so not sure what people are expecting to hear from Black or anyone else at the moment. Wray has said he was moved on by Black. Patey said he will continue the 3 year plan and find some investment. The plan remains but Black decided we needed another man to take us forward. That's all we need to know. The embargo would have been a factor but to be honest they may have had Patey in mind since Fitton was moved on and Wray stood in. I am rather excited by this appointment. He has done a great deal for this country and must be an expert negotiator and patient man. Must surely have a ruthless streak and won't be fooled by anyone. I'd imagine very well connected too which won't do any harm. Let's all stop crying over Wray as he's a big boy and will have plenty to keep him busy and walks away with the fans respect. Let's give Patey a warm welcome and give him a chance. And get singing our new song : 'He'd rather be in Swindon than Iraq, He'd rather be in Swindon than Iraq....'

Excellent post 2012.

Steve. Brentford wrote:
My name is not Steve and i dont live in Brentford, i dont support any football club and prefer Netball.(That`ll fock em)

Malkym wrote:

Steve. Brentford wrote:
My name is not Steve and i dont live in Brentford, i dont support any football club and prefer Netball.(That`ll fock em)

...and you don't don't wear nylons -except on Sundays for church!! lol :)

the don69 wrote:

Malkym wrote:

Steve. Brentford wrote:
My name is not Steve and i dont live in Brentford, i dont support any football club and prefer Netball.(That`ll fock em)

...and you don't don't wear nylons -except on Sundays for church!! lol :)

But Bob the builder!formerly known as Steve.Brenford(nylon as Malky calls him)loves baiting the Hook!LOL!!!!!!!!

Steve. Brentford wrote:

the don69 wrote:

Malkym wrote:

Steve. Brentford wrote:
My name is not Steve and i dont live in Brentford, i dont support any football club and prefer Netball.(That`ll fock em)

...and you don't don't wear nylons -except on Sundays for church!! lol :)

But Bob the builder!formerly known as Steve.Brenford(nylon as Malky calls him)loves baiting the Hook!LOL!!!!!!!!

You must admit though guys i do catch my fair share :O)

I would be happy to do church anyday of the week (i think she`s lovely)

the don69 wrote:

Steve. Brentford wrote:

the don69 wrote:

Malkym wrote:

Steve. Brentford wrote:
My name is not Steve and i dont live in Brentford, i dont support any football club and prefer Netball.(That`ll fock em)

...and you don't don't wear nylons -except on Sundays for church!! lol :)

But Bob the builder!formerly known as Steve.Brenford(nylon as Malky calls him)loves baiting the Hook!LOL!!!!!!!!

You must admit though guys i do catch my fair share :O)

I would be happy to do church anyday of the week (i think she`s lovely)

I wonder if your misses knows!that your into a bit of Religion!!!!!!!LOL

Malkym wrote:
Ian

Of course I can stand others not agreeing with my view I don't pretend to hold the definitive view and can debate with most people except you on occasions it seems :)

I confess to winding you up but in my defence you really pi$sed me off with your vile insults regarding me being a danger to children (jeez I'm not Savile ffs!) so you could say I've been getting my own back by revealing some of your personal details. But again, if you don't mind me saying so you and others leave themselves wide open by the amount of personal information they reveal on these forums because it's easy to find out a great deal with the click of a mouse.

All that said if going forward I choose to now respond to any of your posts I'll keep it on topic...so in reply to your response about AB I can see where you're coming from! He may well be looking for a way out and as you say almost certainly sooner than in your lifetime and he may well have a hidden agenda that is revealed eventually but surely you should credit the guy for keeping the good ship STFC afloat and on the up by allowing Paolo to fu*k up with transfers get rid of and buy more which ultimately led to winning L2?