I'm no big spender - Di Canio (From The Wiltshire Gazette and Herald)
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SWINDON TOWN: I'm no big spender - Di Canio
6:00am Saturday 13th October 2012 in Sport By Sam Morshead
Town boss Paolo Di Canio
PAOLO Di Canio has launched an impassioned defence of his spending during his time as Swindon Town manager.
In the wake of criticism and comment from across the football world following the revelations last week that Town have been placed under a transfer embargo for breaching financial fair play legislation, Di Canio took it upon himself to emphasise that Swindon’s expenditure over the course of the 16 months he has been in charge is little more than “normal”.
In a fiery interview, the Italian suggested that at least two unnamed League One clubs have spent more than double what he has in the same timeframe, while he stressed that he and the Town board have turned a “zero-value” playing staff into an impressive set of assets in less than a year and a half.
“I don’t want to mention one club in our league but people speak about how we spend and what we spend – we come from League Two, to reduce the gap a bit we have to spend a bit more than the others this year to reduce the gap,” he said.
“There is one club this year that stays in the bottom of the table in League One that spent three times more money than us between last year and this year, but they were already in League One last year.
“They are in League One this year with an expectation to stay there, but I don’t want to follow this example.
“They spent for sure double money if you compared the two seasons. I don’t want to say another club that went up last year because otherwise we open the conversation. The money they spent last year is nearly double than what we have spent this year.
“To compare the two seasons, they have spent more than double in two years.
“Now we have value. Two years ago this team with 12 players in had zero value. Now you’ve got free transfers of Gary Roberts, Andy Williams.
“(Matt) Ritchie you know how much they offered us for him last year and for sure in the summer. I open the conversation because otherwise I get angry.
“I read rumours. It’s not my opinion. Sixteen months ago this club had zero value in terms of players, zero. Don’t mention the youngest because the youngest had zero value. They were relegated, nobody came in in the summer to have this player or this player, nobody – I was in here.
“Nobody said to me, with all respect, £100,000 for Ritchie, even £100,000. No one. It’s not my opinion.
“Is it my opinion or is it a fact that in January they came with £800,000? Now this team has got value, even in the way we brought in some players in the summer.
“Our spending is normal, not big, normal. Last year one team, to reach the final not straight away to go up, spent nearly double than us to compare League One last year to us now.
“To compare the two seasons it is three times more, and nobody said it was a scandal. We have spent the normal amount and we have stayed close there.
“It is easy to judge and speak and anyway, for what we have spent, we have already done a fantastic job – over the prediction in my opinion.”
Di Canio also approached the topic of having to pay off individuals he deemed not good enough to perform to his required levels this season.
He revealed that players were offered two-year deals at the County Ground despite him fully expecting only to use them for a single term.
“Many good players that we had last year were not capable to play for win in League One. We have to be honest,” he said.
“We were obliged to spend for two years because otherwise they wouldn’t join us and we were obliged to give two years to players that we were sure a season later wouldn’t be good enough to win the league.
“Otherwise we have to open the conversation. Tell me, of the players we sent out that last year finished as champions, which clubs came for them? How do they play? Where do they play? What position are they in League Two?
“With all respect, they did a fantastic job for me last year but not in League One, in League Two.”
Furthermore, Di Canio insisted that rumours of a sky-high wage bill at SN1 are nonsense although he did admit that, in order to secure top quality, the club had to offer a little more temptation by way of salaries.
“We give normal wages. I know the other wages,” he said.
“I know the wages of a player we wanted to sign and then he left and signed for another club on 25 per cent more than my best and my highest wages in here. In a club that stays behind us.
“The people read the numbers how they want. Gary Roberts came as a free agent, Andy Williams as a free agent. Now if we put them on the transfer market, I’m sure they are going to be £300,000, £400,000. They have value. We brought in zero. That is crucial.
“Now I have become the real manager who is speaking about money, numbers and also I am one of the best coaches.
“If you want to bring in Gary Roberts for nothing you have to give something. Another three clubs, even in the Championship, wanted him. “I don’t know how much this club is worth, for sure it is much more than zero.
“If the club decided to sell all the players now they will have a very good income. Sixteen months ago when I signed to jump up to this ferry it was zero.”
Comments(51)
London Red
says...
7:38am Sat 13 Oct 12
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No one is denying we have a budget near the top end and have spent money on transfer fees - in fact we would be low down that
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Bournemouth is who he is obviously talking about paid more for Tubbs than we have in total!!!!!
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As PdC points out we are NOT top of these leagues and that group at the top is not just 1, 2 or 3 clubs!
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It is also NOT new and we would be even further down the list if the past spenders of Norwich, Leeds, Millwall, Brighton, Saints, Posh, Charlton, Wednesday and Udders were added back in with their L1 budgets
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JW has made no secret that in order to get out you need to match these to compete
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Now don't quote Tranmere and Stevenage at me as it is October and you will loo very silly if they fall away!
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Wait until May and look at the 3 names and I'm very certain the budgets of those promoted teams will be inline with the 9 named above!!!!!!
smirg kcab
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8:33am Sat 13 Oct 12
two things missing tho.
we never had a chairman before you came and also we had a team with no ambition,morale.
just one question to london red how can barnet have edgar davids on the books as a player/backroom??
onwards and upwards
ciclosporindorset
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8:37am Sat 13 Oct 12
SAPFanSTFC
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8:38am Sat 13 Oct 12
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I think the only thing that people didn't clue up to was the 1st season as we had so many players that PDC admitted just weren't good enough.
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This season the buys have been good quality and he's added depth to the squad, in many's opinion, enough to cover us without having to sign anyone else short term unless in an emergency - still an issue to be resolved there but I'm sure we'll be sorted soon.
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Today's game will show us where we stand after the poor performances but a good rest after back-to-back weeks (remembering that Bury had a rest before last Saturday)....and we'll see how we fare against a quality squad who are being rejuvenated.
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Looking forward to today but I'm sure it will be a tough match with big away support.
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COYRs
bowralbob
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8:38am Sat 13 Oct 12
For what it is worth I posted my thoughts following my UK trip late last night UK time which I have repeated below.
I have just returned to Australia after seeing my beloved Swindon loose 2 of the 3 home games I went to see.
My thoughts are very mixed. How can a team play so well and beat Bournmouth so easily and yet struggle against LO and Colchester?
I think it must be a mindset problem as we can play attractive cutting edge football when we WANT to.
It appears the DESIRE to win is not always present and leads to a lackluster performance.
As an analogy a Mini driven with skill and flat out will beat a Porsche Boxter driven at half power and without passion.
More desire to win from one and all we will be top 6 otherwise mid table without it.
I also wonder if PDC might need a little more help? Does he need a right hand man who can be the fall guy when things go wrong? You can't take it out on the players every time as moral is greatly affected.
The Brian Clough /Peter Taylor management style springs to mind. Charismatic, outspoken and often controversial, Clough is considered one of the great managers of the English game. Yet it was Peter Taylor who made it possible he was there to work in the background and steady the ship.
As they say two heads ARE better than one.
Malkym
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8:43am Sat 13 Oct 12
the real Tosh man wrote:Fully agree tosh & LR so many on here getting hot under the colar over something that is no more than trivia.
He's right you know. I don't know why everyone is so obsessed with this anyway. We've had some poor teams at home so far, they don't bring fans with them, coventry, villa, etc are still to come here, this will increase the gate and the revenue so we'll probably come back inside the 65% soon anyway
Time to cut Paolo some slack and let him ge on with the job. Us armchair managers all have an opinion and that's fine but PdC is the stakeholder charged with delivering -if he doesn't at the end of the season then fair enough have a gripe.
Hoping for another 3 points today athough not there as I'm in Cardiff -see boyo O & U in the words of the mighty Grim!
red white
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8:45am Sat 13 Oct 12
He is so clever,big up yer self people!
Big up the Town,big up the plaaayerrrrrrs.
We are going up.
LionelHutz
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9:04am Sat 13 Oct 12
London Red wrote:Largely true, LR, but Stevenage did get to the play offs last season on a tiny budget. Hoddle took us to the Prem on a miniscule budget. It's tough, but can be done.
Yep - that is exactly what I said and certain people slated me for it!
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No one is denying we have a budget near the top end and have spent money on transfer fees - in fact we would be low down that
.
Bournemouth is who he is obviously talking about paid more for Tubbs than we have in total!!!!!
.
As PdC points out we are NOT top of these leagues and that group at the top is not just 1, 2 or 3 clubs!
.
It is also NOT new and we would be even further down the list if the past spenders of Norwich, Leeds, Millwall, Brighton, Saints, Posh, Charlton, Wednesday and Udders were added back in with their L1 budgets
.
JW has made no secret that in order to get out you need to match these to compete
.
Now don't quote Tranmere and Stevenage at me as it is October and you will loo very silly if they fall away!
.
Wait until May and look at the 3 names and I'm very certain the budgets of those promoted teams will be inline with the 9 named above!!!!!!
the wizard
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9:37am Sat 13 Oct 12
ACTIONS, speak louder than words, and I'll be there this afternoon, watching, supporting, encouraging and hoping for a solid performance and a good home win against a team that is improving under their new manager. I'll also be hoping that the action in training will have re-invigorated this team, into a steady firm and composed unit that is going to give us the display we all want to see.
the wizard
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9:47am Sat 13 Oct 12
Sorry that you came all this way and we were no where near our consistent best of last season. I do hope though that there was plenty of other better things happening that made the trip worthwhile.
Pleased to hear you got back home safely.
red white
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9:54am Sat 13 Oct 12
bowralbob wrote:There can only be one leader of our famous club.
Any form of investment is an art and as long the asset purchased is worth more than the investment costs all is well. I believe we have the assets in place (in the form of good players), but the real investment is in the future and promotion.So once the embargo is lifted we should invest in more quality players to attain the ultimate goal of promotion.As they say " in for a penny in for a pound".
For what it is worth I posted my thoughts following my UK trip late last night UK time which I have repeated below.
I have just returned to Australia after seeing my beloved Swindon loose 2 of the 3 home games I went to see.
My thoughts are very mixed. How can a team play so well and beat Bournmouth so easily and yet struggle against LO and Colchester?
I think it must be a mindset problem as we can play attractive cutting edge football when we WANT to.
It appears the DESIRE to win is not always present and leads to a lackluster performance.
As an analogy a Mini driven with skill and flat out will beat a Porsche Boxter driven at half power and without passion.
More desire to win from one and all we will be top 6 otherwise mid table without it.
I also wonder if PDC might need a little more help? Does he need a right hand man who can be the fall guy when things go wrong? You can't take it out on the players every time as moral is greatly affected.
The Brian Clough /Peter Taylor management style springs to mind. Charismatic, outspoken and often controversial, Clough is considered one of the great managers of the English game. Yet it was Peter Taylor who made it possible he was there to work in the background and steady the ship.
As they say two heads ARE better than one.
Jeremy Wray and Paolo di Canio!
SAPFanSTFC
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10:08am Sat 13 Oct 12
the wizard wrote:.....so if the results and performances improve again from today!!?...
bowralbob,
Sorry that you came all this way and we were no where near our consistent best of last season. I do hope though that there was plenty of other better things happening that made the trip worthwhile.
Pleased to hear you got back home safely.
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...Bowralbob you know it will be ALL your fault!? :-)
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Really sad you've not seen enough of the real quality football that we have played this season...lets hope we get back to business again today.
mikek
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10:10am Sat 13 Oct 12
Jibberjab
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10:11am Sat 13 Oct 12
bowralbob
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10:13am Sat 13 Oct 12
the wizard wrote:The visit was great and I still enjoyed coming to the county ground. I'll be waiting eagerly for the result tomorrow our time.
bowralbob,
Sorry that you came all this way and we were no where near our consistent best of last season. I do hope though that there was plenty of other better things happening that made the trip worthwhile.
Pleased to hear you got back home safely.
Hope to be back next year when we are on the run-in to promotion.All the best from OZ.
red white
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10:14am Sat 13 Oct 12
Jibberjab wrote:Grow up
Laughable really to try and rewrite history and pretend that the club have not spent big under Di Cainio, almost half a million on agent fees alone last season, along with signing not not one but two sets of players, pdc = gobshite
rockdog
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10:15am Sat 13 Oct 12
bowralbob
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10:32am Sat 13 Oct 12
red white wrote:Isn't that two?
bowralbob wrote:There can only be one leader of our famous club.
Any form of investment is an art and as long the asset purchased is worth more than the investment costs all is well. I believe we have the assets in place (in the form of good players), but the real investment is in the future and promotion.So once the embargo is lifted we should invest in more quality players to attain the ultimate goal of promotion.As they say " in for a penny in for a pound".
For what it is worth I posted my thoughts following my UK trip late last night UK time which I have repeated below.
I have just returned to Australia after seeing my beloved Swindon loose 2 of the 3 home games I went to see.
My thoughts are very mixed. How can a team play so well and beat Bournmouth so easily and yet struggle against LO and Colchester?
I think it must be a mindset problem as we can play attractive cutting edge football when we WANT to.
It appears the DESIRE to win is not always present and leads to a lackluster performance.
As an analogy a Mini driven with skill and flat out will beat a Porsche Boxter driven at half power and without passion.
More desire to win from one and all we will be top 6 otherwise mid table without it.
I also wonder if PDC might need a little more help? Does he need a right hand man who can be the fall guy when things go wrong? You can't take it out on the players every time as moral is greatly affected.
The Brian Clough /Peter Taylor management style springs to mind. Charismatic, outspoken and often controversial, Clough is considered one of the great managers of the English game. Yet it was Peter Taylor who made it possible he was there to work in the background and steady the ship.
As they say two heads ARE better than one.
Jeremy Wray and Paolo di Canio!
YateleyRed
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10:34am Sat 13 Oct 12
the wizard wrote:My opinion is that he brings it up because he is a proud man who wants recognition for his achievements and people keep trying to point to other reasons, such as budgets. For me it is easy to say that PDC only won L2 because it was STFC with a big budget but as he says, other clubs spend more without success. Why can't we all accept he is a quality manager, his passion maybe overflows occasionally but he is still quality and when he moves on it will be our loss.
Why bring it up, unless he feels uneasy about it. I would have much rather a rant on how hard he has been working with the front men in training, and trying to sort out a mid field that works and is not so easily by-passed.
ACTIONS, speak louder than words, and I'll be there this afternoon, watching, supporting, encouraging and hoping for a solid performance and a good home win against a team that is improving under their new manager. I'll also be hoping that the action in training will have re-invigorated this team, into a steady firm and composed unit that is going to give us the display we all want to see.
My hope is that he will stay if we keep progressing. Something tells me that he wants to take us to the Prem in successive seasons, a massive task but I am not going t bet against a man with such drive, passion and commitment. I just don't get why so many of our own supporters seem to want to knock him or doubt his ability.
Let's hope another 3 points today against what will be a tough Coventry side.
Rebel_phish
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10:39am Sat 13 Oct 12
Ballance could have been restored in the normal day-to-day running of the business, and therefore be no need to what is senational jornalism.
Doesn't quite make a a great headline...."Swindon Town just stay within the FFP Rules"
Much better to have "Big Spending Swindon Hit By Transfer Embargo"
Get a Grip
Rebel_phish
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10:49am Sat 13 Oct 12
Isn't it every clubs ambition to try and gain promotion or at least stop relegation. And to do this, do not clubs try to get in what they deem to be the best players to do that task. And is it not the case that these players cost money. And therefore, is it not true that the clubs with the deepest pockets usually get the best players.
Isn't that why there is a tier structure withing the Football League. IE the biggest spending clubs gavitating to the top.
Isn't it also the case that some large spending clubs fail where small spending clubs get their moment of glory
DarrenSTFCRomain
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10:51am Sat 13 Oct 12
And to say about the players that got payed off was justified is just fukcing mad.
MOST OF THE BUDGET WENT ON PAYING THEM OFF.. All money at lower league clubs has to be accounted for.. Thats why its called a budget and every team normaly keep money by for loans but we have not..FACT..
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Anyway it dont matter if there is only 2 clubs with a bigger budget than ares they have not been put on a football enbargo WE HAVE..
All it looks like is very bad managment when it comes to looking after the coppers
London Red
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12:05pm Sat 13 Oct 12
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However David's isn't on the board - he is just joint player manager!
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His long term goal is to become an owner and Barnet with "the best training facilities outside the premiership" (their words not mine) marry that ultimate goal - how????
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My mate played against David's the other week in a Sunday league and he said he is well past it and you couldn't tell he was the star he was - car crash is all I can think about that one!
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Wiz the reason he feels he needs to come out is the likes of Abbott, you, Don and co have a go at him all the time so he feels it is his right to defend himself
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I totally agree with him on this as it annoyse to the back teeth when people say no previous manager has been backed like him - forgetting Wilson had a very similar budget and spent well over a million on players - which is far more than PdC
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Net transfer spend INCLUDING the pay offs to the flops was about £500k (its in black an white in the accounts) and we have then spent £340k this year - so £840k OK Timlin and Benyon got some in so may be around £1m spent
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However Ferry and Caddis £450k, Ritchie £250k, Flint £150k and Benyon £75k - so that was £925k in our relegation year alone - the same as PdC over 1 and a half years!!!!
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Plus he signed a few more before that too - so was extremely well backed
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Loinel - not doubting it can be done but as you say it is rare. Wouldn't count Hoddle too much though as that was a different time (pre Shearer's world record fee of £3m! - whats it now £80m) and he played a major role in our promotion
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Yes Stevenage did well last year and Doncaster did it too on a small budget - so they should be admired or their managers should be
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It's just that for every one of them there are 10+ of the "bigger boys" doing it as if we cast our eye back further you get Fulham, Cardiff, Swansea, Plymouth Sh1tty etc who were all big spenders
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As said above the investments are not being wasted as Ritchie Caddis Ferry Wes and Flint are certainly worth more than we paid for them
sideshow_bob
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12:19pm Sat 13 Oct 12
DarrenSTFCRomain wrote:Darren,
It dont matter how much we spent.we all know that most of are players were free..
And to say about the players that got payed off was justified is just fukcing mad.
MOST OF THE BUDGET WENT ON PAYING THEM OFF.. All money at lower league clubs has to be accounted for.. Thats why its called a budget and every team normaly keep money by for loans but we have not..FACT..
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Anyway it dont matter if there is only 2 clubs with a bigger budget than ares they have not been put on a football enbargo WE HAVE..
All it looks like is very bad managment when it comes to looking after the coppers
Two points in response to your post:
1. We've been hit by an embargo because of the fees we've been asked to pay for Troy and Collins and how we've been asked to pay them. given how much over the 65% we are, I would suggest we had budgeted for the players to cost £xxx, or if more we'd be allowed to split the payment over two years. At worst this reveals some naivety on our part. I don't think DiCanio has been frivolous as he openly admits the majority of players who signed for us last year and worked hard were good enough for league 2 but not league 1... how much would we have spent to get league 1 quality in league 2?
2. There's no way anyone would move across the country and uproot their family for a one year contract. Look at players like Cibbo who moved from Italy or Risser who was playing in Finland before coming to us. Both of these players played a significant amount of matches and you can't deny that they contributed to our promotion. However, they wouldn't have come to swindon if they'd been offered a 1 year deal. If you genuinely believe that players would move for a one year contract on the wages Swindon Town pay. There's no way anyone would make that commitment for a year, unless the wages were astronomical or the player was a young, hot prospect who knew a year would be enough exposure for moving onto bigger and better things.
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Obviously we need to operate within our means and if we weren't under embargo PDC wouldn't be reacting, but people would still be saying we're big spenders. No one is denying we've spent money , but we won the league and are in a good position currently... a means to an end, perhaps?
the wizard
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12:21pm Sat 13 Oct 12
My opinion is that he brings it up because he is a proud man who wants recognition for his achievements
I think you are right, but, does that recognition have to be every minute of every day? His ego is undeniably so large, so does he need people knelt down worshipping him and kissing @r5e every five minutes.
There are many even within this forum who achieve much with little, yet they don't go off on a self a facing egotistical trip wanting recognition every five minutes like he does.
He gets paid to do a job, and yes takes that job not only seriously but very much to heart, and anything less than perfection isn't good enough, fair enough.I raised the point late last night, since the on set of the year 2000 eleven guys have sat in the Town hot seat, during twelve tenures, King twice, but, I wonder how many have had so much support not only from the board, but from the public like he has. Indeed the views of those others on the present situation would be enlightening.
He makes a rod for his own back, for me he should let his results on the field speak for themselves, which they do, but this constant political debate with his employers over players is wrong. That should be done in private, and should be and remain between him and Wray. His success on the field speaks for itself, however his PR off the field leaves him open, and in my book and that of many others, some thing's are better left in private. If he is comfortable with what he has done then he shouldn't feel the need to justify it.
red white
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12:24pm Sat 13 Oct 12
bowralbob wrote:Yes,obviously.
red white wrote:Isn't that two?
bowralbob wrote:There can only be one leader of our famous club.
Any form of investment is an art and as long the asset purchased is worth more than the investment costs all is well. I believe we have the assets in place (in the form of good players), but the real investment is in the future and promotion.So once the embargo is lifted we should invest in more quality players to attain the ultimate goal of promotion.As they say " in for a penny in for a pound".
For what it is worth I posted my thoughts following my UK trip late last night UK time which I have repeated below.
I have just returned to Australia after seeing my beloved Swindon loose 2 of the 3 home games I went to see.
My thoughts are very mixed. How can a team play so well and beat Bournmouth so easily and yet struggle against LO and Colchester?
I think it must be a mindset problem as we can play attractive cutting edge football when we WANT to.
It appears the DESIRE to win is not always present and leads to a lackluster performance.
As an analogy a Mini driven with skill and flat out will beat a Porsche Boxter driven at half power and without passion.
More desire to win from one and all we will be top 6 otherwise mid table without it.
I also wonder if PDC might need a little more help? Does he need a right hand man who can be the fall guy when things go wrong? You can't take it out on the players every time as moral is greatly affected.
The Brian Clough /Peter Taylor management style springs to mind. Charismatic, outspoken and often controversial, Clough is considered one of the great managers of the English game. Yet it was Peter Taylor who made it possible he was there to work in the background and steady the ship.
As they say two heads ARE better than one.
Jeremy Wray and Paolo di Canio!
Yoooooooooooooou Reds!
London Red
says...
12:27pm Sat 13 Oct 12
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That is totally different to the usual speal that PdC just wants more more more like a kid in a sweet shop
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Listen to JW on player if you don't believe me he says so too and FULLY AGREES with PdC on that!!!!!
Exmouth_red69
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12:44pm Sat 13 Oct 12
LionelHutz wrote:disagree about the Hoddles budget, do you think Moncur etc were on peanuts! Again someone sending out bullsh!t facts on this forum.
London Red wrote:Largely true, LR, but Stevenage did get to the play offs last season on a tiny budget. Hoddle took us to the Prem on a miniscule budget. It's tough, but can be done.
Yep - that is exactly what I said and certain people slated me for it!
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No one is denying we have a budget near the top end and have spent money on transfer fees - in fact we would be low down that
.
Bournemouth is who he is obviously talking about paid more for Tubbs than we have in total!!!!!
.
As PdC points out we are NOT top of these leagues and that group at the top is not just 1, 2 or 3 clubs!
.
It is also NOT new and we would be even further down the list if the past spenders of Norwich, Leeds, Millwall, Brighton, Saints, Posh, Charlton, Wednesday and Udders were added back in with their L1 budgets
.
JW has made no secret that in order to get out you need to match these to compete
.
Now don't quote Tranmere and Stevenage at me as it is October and you will loo very silly if they fall away!
.
Wait until May and look at the 3 names and I'm very certain the budgets of those promoted teams will be inline with the 9 named above!!!!!!
Exmouth_red69
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12:47pm Sat 13 Oct 12
the wizard wrote:Maybe he was answering a question??.
Why bring it up, unless he feels uneasy about it. I would have much rather a rant on how hard he has been working with the front men in training, and trying to sort out a mid field that works and is not so easily by-passed.
ACTIONS, speak louder than words, and I'll be there this afternoon, watching, supporting, encouraging and hoping for a solid performance and a good home win against a team that is improving under their new manager. I'll also be hoping that the action in training will have re-invigorated this team, into a steady firm and composed unit that is going to give us the display we all want to see.
Even if paolo gave a million quid to charity some people would find a negative on this forum.
Oi Den!
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12:49pm Sat 13 Oct 12
the wizard
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12:58pm Sat 13 Oct 12
Oi Den! wrote:Great quote Den. Old big 'ead knew what he was doing, and I do think our man does as well, but goes about it differently. That said not many of Clough and Taylors games at Hartlepool ever got televised so I suppose we will never know just how good or bad the first ones really were. I think they called it, " the Hartlepool revival". It certainly got them noticed .
Very important matter but the debate is getting a bit tedious. Ah well, in a few hours' time we'll have a performance to reflect on. Let's hope it's a good one. And I hope PDC will have Brian Clough's words in mind: If football was meant to be played in the sky, God would have put grass up there.
DarrenSTFCRomain
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12:58pm Sat 13 Oct 12
sideshow_bob wrote:What i was saying is that we signed SHAT players on a 2 year contract that know one could understand as we all know what div 4 is all about..BECAUSE thats what PDC thought would get use up..BUT he was wrong big time and that has cost use ALOAD of money...
DarrenSTFCRomain wrote: It dont matter how much we spent.we all know that most of are players were free.. And to say about the players that got payed off was justified is just fukcing mad. MOST OF THE BUDGET WENT ON PAYING THEM OFF.. All money at lower league clubs has to be accounted for.. Thats why its called a budget and every team normaly keep money by for loans but we have not..FACT.. . Anyway it dont matter if there is only 2 clubs with a bigger budget than ares they have not been put on a football enbargo WE HAVE.. All it looks like is very bad managment when it comes to looking after the coppersDarren, Two points in response to your post: 1. We've been hit by an embargo because of the fees we've been asked to pay for Troy and Collins and how we've been asked to pay them. given how much over the 65% we are, I would suggest we had budgeted for the players to cost £xxx, or if more we'd be allowed to split the payment over two years. At worst this reveals some naivety on our part. I don't think DiCanio has been frivolous as he openly admits the majority of players who signed for us last year and worked hard were good enough for league 2 but not league 1... how much would we have spent to get league 1 quality in league 2? 2. There's no way anyone would move across the country and uproot their family for a one year contract. Look at players like Cibbo who moved from Italy or Risser who was playing in Finland before coming to us. Both of these players played a significant amount of matches and you can't deny that they contributed to our promotion. However, they wouldn't have come to swindon if they'd been offered a 1 year deal. If you genuinely believe that players would move for a one year contract on the wages Swindon Town pay. There's no way anyone would make that commitment for a year, unless the wages were astronomical or the player was a young, hot prospect who knew a year would be enough exposure for moving onto bigger and better things. --- Obviously we need to operate within our means and if we weren't under embargo PDC wouldn't be reacting, but people would still be saying we're big spenders. No one is denying we've spent money , but we won the league and are in a good position currently... a means to an end, perhaps?
HOW MANY PLAYERS HAS HE BOUGHT TO STFC 30+..
And for player moving ftom a different country THERE WAS NO NEED and how many are here now ?
London Red
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1:10pm Sat 13 Oct 12
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In return he won us the title, got us to the final of the JPT and big scalps in the FA and League cup and boosted our ST holders at a higher price
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All of that would have easily covered the cost of the flops!
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Actually think and do a liitle research before simply posting rants which are totally inaccurate!
hornet
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1:23pm Sat 13 Oct 12
DarrenSTFCRomain
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2:02pm Sat 13 Oct 12
London Red wrote:London red your nothing but a jumped up so say i know EVERYTHING ABOUT STFC twatt.. Who spouts out figures that no one has ever seen and never will..
He cost us at most £250k though pay-offs as our post balance sheet net outlay was £500k including the transfer fees for Wes and Rooney which will easily make up half of that! . In return he won us the title, got us to the final of the JPT and big scalps in the FA and League cup and boosted our ST holders at a higher price . All of that would have easily covered the cost of the flops! . Actually think and do a liitle research before simply posting rants which are totally inaccurate!
PLUS with that we have 500k on POC agents fees and that is the only figure of money that thas been put in the papers..
BUT un like you im off to watch the mighty reds......
WHY DO OTHERS ON HERE THING YOUR A ARSEHOLE....
London Red
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5:22pm Sat 13 Oct 12
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I was there and that's the 4th home Sat game and I've see 3 of them and am going to the next 2 so will have seen 5 of 6!
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Which by your own posts is a hell of a lot more than you - so o and shove that where the sun don't shine
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Also the figures I quoted are in the accounts and if you are to ignorant to pick them up and read that's your issue not mine
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They are publically available and were published on the OS
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So if you post 2+2=5 and I correct you it's 4 - that's not me being a know it all it's just is!!!!!!
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Finally if you think I'm worried what you think of me well lets just leave it there
DarrenSTFCRomain
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5:26pm Sat 13 Oct 12
London Red wrote:Next home game me and you need to have a little chat
There a surprise another totally inaccurate post by Romain! . I was there and that's the 4th home Sat game and I've see 3 of them and am going to the next 2 so will have seen 5 of 6! . Which by your own posts is a hell of a lot more than you - so o and shove that where the sun don't shine . Also the figures I quoted are in the accounts and if you are to ignorant to pick them up and read that's your issue not mine . They are publically available and were published on the OS . So if you post 2+2=5 and I correct you it's 4 - that's not me being a know it all it's just is!!!!!! . Finally if you think I'm worried what you think of me well lets just leave it there
London Red
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5:38pm Sat 13 Oct 12
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What next your dads bigger than mine
Jibberjab
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5:45pm Sat 13 Oct 12
London Red wrote:What a W@nker....
There a surprise another totally inaccurate post by Romain!
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I was there and that's the 4th home Sat game and I've see 3 of them and am going to the next 2 so will have seen 5 of 6!
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Which by your own posts is a hell of a lot more than you - so o and shove that where the sun don't shine
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Also the figures I quoted are in the accounts and if you are to ignorant to pick them up and read that's your issue not mine
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They are publically available and were published on the OS
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So if you post 2+2=5 and I correct you it's 4 - that's not me being a know it all it's just is!!!!!!
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Finally if you think I'm worried what you think of me well lets just leave it there
leader1111
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7:57pm Sat 13 Oct 12
marlborough red
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9:59pm Sat 13 Oct 12
Jibberjab wrote:who cares your comment is stupid mate no one cares!!!!
Laughable really to try and rewrite history and pretend that the club have not spent big under Di Cainio, almost half a million on agent fees alone last season, along with signing not not one but two sets of players, pdc = gobshite
the wizard
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12:41am Sun 14 Oct 12
marlborough red wrote:The money spent on agents fees are always a concern, but then again not many other lower league teams can boast a 60 odd percent win margin like we can.
Jibberjab wrote:who cares your comment is stupid mate no one cares!!!!
Laughable really to try and rewrite history and pretend that the club have not spent big under Di Cainio, almost half a million on agent fees alone last season, along with signing not not one but two sets of players, pdc = gobshite
JJ, How would you improve on that if you were appointed manager ? please specify.
Angolan Red
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7:10am Sun 14 Oct 12
Steve. Brentford
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10:50am Sun 14 Oct 12
Angolan Red wrote:Swindon fans opinions only please and do your best whilst stirrng the shat, its DI CANIO not de or du or even da SIMPLY DI.
Dont worry Ritchie will be sold to cover the debt Decanio gets us in, at this level its about fitness and confidence and decanio knocks that out of the team with his constant moaning graetest team one week average the next. Decanio and Wray out if we want a long term future
Its makes me question your username, are you sure it wasnt meant to be Anglian Red or oxon yellow.
DarrenSTFCRomain
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4:41pm Sun 14 Oct 12
Jibberjab wrote:HA HA LOVE IT.....
London Red wrote: There a surprise another totally inaccurate post by Romain! . I was there and that's the 4th home Sat game and I've see 3 of them and am going to the next 2 so will have seen 5 of 6! . Which by your own posts is a hell of a lot more than you - so o and shove that where the sun don't shine . Also the figures I quoted are in the accounts and if you are to ignorant to pick them up and read that's your issue not mine . They are publically available and were published on the OS . So if you post 2+2=5 and I correct you it's 4 - that's not me being a know it all it's just is!!!!!! . Finally if you think I'm worried what you think of me well lets just leave it thereWhat a W@nker....
Sad little boy
DarrenSTFCRomain
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4:43pm Sun 14 Oct 12
DarrenSTFCRomain wrote:That was not posted at you Jibber
Jibberjab wrote:HA HA LOVE IT..... Sad little boyLondon Red wrote: There a surprise another totally inaccurate post by Romain! . I was there and that's the 4th home Sat game and I've see 3 of them and am going to the next 2 so will have seen 5 of 6! . Which by your own posts is a hell of a lot more than you - so o and shove that where the sun don't shine . Also the figures I quoted are in the accounts and if you are to ignorant to pick them up and read that's your issue not mine . They are publically available and were published on the OS . So if you post 2+2=5 and I correct you it's 4 - that's not me being a know it all it's just is!!!!!! . Finally if you think I'm worried what you think of me well lets just leave it thereWhat a W@nker....
LionelHutz
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6:37pm Sun 14 Oct 12
Exmouth_red69 wrote:Um, we were up against the likes of Newcastle who splashed 2.5 million on deadline day on Andy Cole and Mark Robinson. Contrast that with us who had to sell David Kerslake to Leeds.
LionelHutz wrote:disagree about the Hoddles budget, do you think Moncur etc were on peanuts! Again someone sending out bullsh!t facts on this forum.
London Red wrote:Largely true, LR, but Stevenage did get to the play offs last season on a tiny budget. Hoddle took us to the Prem on a miniscule budget. It's tough, but can be done.
Yep - that is exactly what I said and certain people slated me for it!
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No one is denying we have a budget near the top end and have spent money on transfer fees - in fact we would be low down that
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Bournemouth is who he is obviously talking about paid more for Tubbs than we have in total!!!!!
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As PdC points out we are NOT top of these leagues and that group at the top is not just 1, 2 or 3 clubs!
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It is also NOT new and we would be even further down the list if the past spenders of Norwich, Leeds, Millwall, Brighton, Saints, Posh, Charlton, Wednesday and Udders were added back in with their L1 budgets
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JW has made no secret that in order to get out you need to match these to compete
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Now don't quote Tranmere and Stevenage at me as it is October and you will loo very silly if they fall away!
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Wait until May and look at the 3 names and I'm very certain the budgets of those promoted teams will be inline with the 9 named above!!!!!!
Compared to the other teams towards the top of the division, we did have a tiny budget. Did you know Hoddle signed Shaun Taylor with money from his own pocket?
Actually, I can't even believe I'm dignifying your post with a response. Get a grip, pal!
London Red
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9:16pm Sun 14 Oct 12
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If true then Hoddle certainly deserves more respect than some give him - that is total commitment to the cause!
swindon1969
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9:39pm Sun 14 Oct 12
so many of your thoughts on Swindon are good, then you blow it,with your anger.Main man is saying he's brought money to the club by being shrewd in the market, he has,we are no longer a selling club, imo, so wealth is with the club, yes hes made some duff signings who has not eh? but look at this club now to what it was three years ago.
LionelHutz
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10:20pm Sun 14 Oct 12
London Red wrote:I was at a Q&A session with Paul Bodin, Fraser Digby and Shaun Taylor a few years ago and Paul Bodin said that about Hoddle stumping up the money for Taylor. The fee was around 200K I think, so we're not talking peanuts!
I never knew that about Taylor
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If true then Hoddle certainly deserves more respect than some give him - that is total commitment to the cause!

the real Tosh man says...
6:38am Sat 13 Oct 12