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'Defeat proved we are average'
6:00am Wednesday 3rd October 2012 in Sport By Sam Morshead
Paolo Di Canio struggles to contain his frustration last night
SWINDON Town’s 1-0 home defeat to Colchester last night showed how average the Robins can be when things don’t go to plan, according to manager Paolo Di Canio.
Town lost for the first time in six matches courtesy of Michael Rose’s second-half free-kick, and struggled to find fluency over 90 hard-to-watch minutes at the County Ground.
And afterwards Di Canio admitted that on evenings such as this, his collection of high-profile players can look mediocre if they do not add application to their evident talent.
“In the first 50 minutes of the game I should change seven or eight, but I decided to change those two because I couldn’t change seven,” he said.
“There was no passion, no desire from anyone – not because they are not professional. Sometimes during the season we proved that we are average – average players, average athletes.
“It’s not only one game, many times I have said to you I should change seven or eight because that is clear. Not one shot on target, not one delivery – from (Matt) Ritchie, from Jay (McEveley), from anyone.
“The strikers didn’t run in time, they didn’t run in the right place, they didn’t keep the ball even if they had the chance to.
“In a day like this you can discover how you can be average as a player.
“The enthusiasm, the desire, the ambition is more important than a system. We have to learn again from this game. We fully deserved to lose the game.”
Di Canio’s side go to Bury on Saturday looking for an instant response, and the Italian is hopeful that the defeat will serve as a wake-up call similar to the home loss to Leyton Orient just less than a month ago.
He said: “We have to hope that after a big slap in the face we’re going to get up and think, ‘let me change’.
“One slap every three or four games can help us stay close to the top eight, but we have to change direction. The mentality was absolutely bad tonight.”
Comments(137)
Angolan Red
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6:38am Wed 3 Oct 12
Perhaps we wouldnt be so average if Paulo didnt chop and change so much. The players live in fear one mistake and they dont even make the squad for the next few matches hardly helps to build up confidence. Bring back Caddis he gives that extra attacking option
grove red
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6:43am Wed 3 Oct 12
Lazaat wrote:yes both were injured thought raffa devita was playing well last night before pdc took him off. troy kept playing long ball for me would like to see flint and troy play together. bessone very poor.
Maybe it's time for Paolo to play a settled team rather than make wholesale changes every match?
And were Thompson and Roberts injured last night? If not why didn't they play? And I am also very surprised that Bostock has hardly had a look in this season!
Maybe it's time for us all to get a reality check and accept that we are not good enough to go up this season, but it does p1$$ me off that we keep beating these teams from the Premiership and Championship then play so bad against the likes of Orient and Colchester!
Swindon1984
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6:48am Wed 3 Oct 12
Angolan Red wrote:Caddis isn't coming back. Thompson was injured. I think the players have to shoulder some responsibility here, yes there've been changes to the team but there's also been a core of players who haven't changed that much, and they have no excuses for underperforming.
Perhaps we wouldnt be so average if Paulo didnt chop and change so much. The players live in fear one mistake and they dont even make the squad for the next few matches hardly helps to build up confidence. Bring back Caddis he gives that extra attacking option
Not saying Paolo's beyond criticism but it does seem like when we're playing well people are happy enough, but after any had performance it's all doom and gloom and criticism. The players need to take some of the blame for their poor performances also.
On the basis of when the substitutions were made last night it doesn't look like there were any panic changes. One mistake and they're off? I don't think so. How many did Bessone make and he never got subbed, although Devera was on the bench.
the wizard
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7:13am Wed 3 Oct 12
Canioman says,
'Defeat proved we are average'
Not true, correction needed,
We were second best by far, in every department, and if this is what being successful in Cups brings with it then put it away in a dark place. The League must come first.
How in heavens name Ferry doesn't get to start is beyond me. Our midfield was not existent all game. Navaro and Miller are NOT the answer, and were exposed last night. Hoofball, hoofball, hoofball, and that is the sign that we have become desperate. Short corners, RUBBISH, we needed the ball in the box and this was disgusting !!!! We had no tactics to get around the ORGANISED opponents. Sorry but last night Canioman, you were Paolo de Crappio, no answers to address the problems in your own proclaimed fortress. You picked the team that was least able to deal with our visitors. What has John Bostock got to do to get a game, you wanted him, chased him, signed him and then benched him. If ever a game was screaming for someone to run at the opposition it was last night. What a total waste of time money and effort for the supporters to turn up and watch this dross, play Villa ?? you are having a laugh. For those that didn't make it, you were better off at home. This was the worse game I have seen in a very long time at CG, and we gave them far too much respect.
Sorry for the rant, but we all kn ow we can do better. Time for the management to look inwards and ask some serious questions.
'Defeat proved we are average'
Not true, correction needed,
We were second best by far, in every department, and if this is what being successful in Cups brings with it then put it away in a dark place. The League must come first.
How in heavens name Ferry doesn't get to start is beyond me. Our midfield was not existent all game. Navaro and Miller are NOT the answer, and were exposed last night. Hoofball, hoofball, hoofball, and that is the sign that we have become desperate. Short corners, RUBBISH, we needed the ball in the box and this was disgusting !!!! We had no tactics to get around the ORGANISED opponents. Sorry but last night Canioman, you were Paolo de Crappio, no answers to address the problems in your own proclaimed fortress. You picked the team that was least able to deal with our visitors. What has John Bostock got to do to get a game, you wanted him, chased him, signed him and then benched him. If ever a game was screaming for someone to run at the opposition it was last night. What a total waste of time money and effort for the supporters to turn up and watch this dross, play Villa ?? you are having a laugh. For those that didn't make it, you were better off at home. This was the worse game I have seen in a very long time at CG, and we gave them far too much respect.
Sorry for the rant, but we all kn ow we can do better. Time for the management to look inwards and ask some serious questions.
dreamofacleansheet2
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7:13am Wed 3 Oct 12
That's the first time this season I haven't thought we are winning the league. Didn't want to post last night as preferred to sleep on it.
Someone posted yesterday we fought for the ball and then hoofed it. Did we heck. No fight at all from anyone on the park. Desperate.
Definite hoofing totally bypassing midfield. They came set up a very deep 4-5-1 and sadly we had no answer to it. The danger of playing 4-4-2 with two wingers is clear for all to see again. Not that we used midfield but totally swamped and hardly ever got the second ball let alone the first as a result.
Only Macca and DeVita for me were just about ok the rest very poor and unless someone jumped in the wall Wes must be responsible for getting beaten at his near post. Classic sucker punch.
Very limited desire from the players last night. The number of times players had the ball and had no outlet whatsoever was astonishing, very little movement. Not even when we had a throw in did the players look like they wanted it.
I'm not convinced Paolo will play Bostock until he's 100% convinced he's fit but they need to go to the training ground and find a way of breaking down a deep 4-5-1. Whether that's changing to the same system or risking 3-5-2 I don't know but we better work it out soon.
Hopefully Paolo can sort it out as I still think we should be to good for this league. Time will tell and this performance on top of Orient is definitely a worry.
Someone posted yesterday we fought for the ball and then hoofed it. Did we heck. No fight at all from anyone on the park. Desperate.
Definite hoofing totally bypassing midfield. They came set up a very deep 4-5-1 and sadly we had no answer to it. The danger of playing 4-4-2 with two wingers is clear for all to see again. Not that we used midfield but totally swamped and hardly ever got the second ball let alone the first as a result.
Only Macca and DeVita for me were just about ok the rest very poor and unless someone jumped in the wall Wes must be responsible for getting beaten at his near post. Classic sucker punch.
Very limited desire from the players last night. The number of times players had the ball and had no outlet whatsoever was astonishing, very little movement. Not even when we had a throw in did the players look like they wanted it.
I'm not convinced Paolo will play Bostock until he's 100% convinced he's fit but they need to go to the training ground and find a way of breaking down a deep 4-5-1. Whether that's changing to the same system or risking 3-5-2 I don't know but we better work it out soon.
Hopefully Paolo can sort it out as I still think we should be to good for this league. Time will tell and this performance on top of Orient is definitely a worry.
Lazaat
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7:30am Wed 3 Oct 12
I was at Shrewsbury on Saturday and Ferry did ok plus he scored the winning goal for us...then was dropped for this match?? There has been too much controversy lately and far too much chopping and changing of the team. I am not doom mongering but stating the obvious!
We know the players have the quality so I think our erratic form must be a mental thing...I couldn't go last night but I was shocked when I saw the team sheet!
We know the players have the quality so I think our erratic form must be a mental thing...I couldn't go last night but I was shocked when I saw the team sheet!
London Red
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7:33am Wed 3 Oct 12
So how come we beat Shrewsbury, Burnley, Bournemouth and Portsmouth despite chopping and changing?
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In fact how have we won just under 60% of our games with it? Or got a positive result in just over 70%?
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It's also not new it was here last year and we won the title, got to one cup final and caused upsets in 2 others!
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You can't have it both ways and only moan about rotation once every 5 games when a defeat occurs
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Especially if it is players who are not being rotated which are below "par"
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Games like this happen - in fact they happen a lot in our history - thus the mentality point by PdC
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In fact how have we won just under 60% of our games with it? Or got a positive result in just over 70%?
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It's also not new it was here last year and we won the title, got to one cup final and caused upsets in 2 others!
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You can't have it both ways and only moan about rotation once every 5 games when a defeat occurs
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Especially if it is players who are not being rotated which are below "par"
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Games like this happen - in fact they happen a lot in our history - thus the mentality point by PdC
mossy282
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7:35am Wed 3 Oct 12
Got to agree with the Wizard about last night, worst game at the CG since PDC took over
Bessone - very average on Sat, even worse last night, left back trying to play right back, why not Devera
Troy-Archie - morphed into Jerel Ifel last night, spent all night hoofing the ball straight to the opposition
Macca - Average
Jay - could not cross a road let alone a ball
Richie - thinks he has to shoot every time he is within 20 yards of goal regardless of the players in better positions
Miller/Navara - Absent
De Vita - average on Sat, little better last night, at least he tried.
Williams - ran his heart out again last night but was never going to better the two central defenders challenging for all the high balls
Benson - OK
Ferry - OK,but why no start?
Above just my opinion, but why did PDC not tell them at halft time to -
stop hoofing the ball from the back
cut out the meaningless/crappy short corners?
Rant over, cant make Bury but hope Swindon player better than last night!
Bessone - very average on Sat, even worse last night, left back trying to play right back, why not Devera
Troy-Archie - morphed into Jerel Ifel last night, spent all night hoofing the ball straight to the opposition
Macca - Average
Jay - could not cross a road let alone a ball
Richie - thinks he has to shoot every time he is within 20 yards of goal regardless of the players in better positions
Miller/Navara - Absent
De Vita - average on Sat, little better last night, at least he tried.
Williams - ran his heart out again last night but was never going to better the two central defenders challenging for all the high balls
Benson - OK
Ferry - OK,but why no start?
Above just my opinion, but why did PDC not tell them at halft time to -
stop hoofing the ball from the back
cut out the meaningless/crappy short corners?
Rant over, cant make Bury but hope Swindon player better than last night!
the wizard
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7:47am Wed 3 Oct 12
LR,
We had the Orient game and now one , and last night we were beyond the depths of bad. This was total rubbish. Never mind your stats, the team were pure cr@p. We didn't have a plan B, and were awful beyond the worst in the relegation season. Navaro and Miller were just played out of the game and were totally nullified, Bessone was truly magnificent in being totally useless and Troy just kept kicking away possession every time he got the ball, and short passing to team mates is another skill he has picked up from Bessone, who would be far better called Bestgone . that bad you had to see it with your own eyes. No way of putting that into stats other than no marks out of ten., and even if Bostock is not totally fit then why was he on the bench. Twenty minutes on the park would have given us some hope.
Dire, dire, dire, and Canioman knows it, he was sat down for long periods last evening as he had NO PLAN B, and no answer to a team that doesn't play 4-4-2. The Pox play 4-3-3 and they have beaten us three in a row, and yet we still have no answer, time to learn from our mistakes. Have you got a stat for that ?
We had the Orient game and now one , and last night we were beyond the depths of bad. This was total rubbish. Never mind your stats, the team were pure cr@p. We didn't have a plan B, and were awful beyond the worst in the relegation season. Navaro and Miller were just played out of the game and were totally nullified, Bessone was truly magnificent in being totally useless and Troy just kept kicking away possession every time he got the ball, and short passing to team mates is another skill he has picked up from Bessone, who would be far better called Bestgone . that bad you had to see it with your own eyes. No way of putting that into stats other than no marks out of ten., and even if Bostock is not totally fit then why was he on the bench. Twenty minutes on the park would have given us some hope.
Dire, dire, dire, and Canioman knows it, he was sat down for long periods last evening as he had NO PLAN B, and no answer to a team that doesn't play 4-4-2. The Pox play 4-3-3 and they have beaten us three in a row, and yet we still have no answer, time to learn from our mistakes. Have you got a stat for that ?
London Red
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7:55am Wed 3 Oct 12
Wiz simple answer I'm not going to bother getting in an arguement with you
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If you think PdC's 60%+ wins in his career have only come against 442 teams you are sadly very mistaken
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Bad games happen - we are not Barcelona - well in fact they lose games too!
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We have won 8 of 14 - get a grip!!!!!!
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If you think PdC's 60%+ wins in his career have only come against 442 teams you are sadly very mistaken
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Bad games happen - we are not Barcelona - well in fact they lose games too!
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We have won 8 of 14 - get a grip!!!!!!
southside7
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8:02am Wed 3 Oct 12
the wizard wrote:Yes, spot on. To say we were average is overstating our very, very poor display. TAH couldn't cope with a very weak Colchester side (no threat). Navarro/Miller inexplicable how they start each game, surely their days are numbered? Heavily missed Thompson, we need a back up for him.
Canioman says,
'Defeat proved we are average'
Not true, correction needed,
We were second best by far, in every department, and if this is what being successful in Cups brings with it then put it away in a dark place. The League must come first.
How in heavens name Ferry doesn't get to start is beyond me. Our midfield was not existent all game. Navaro and Miller are NOT the answer, and were exposed last night. Hoofball, hoofball, hoofball, and that is the sign that we have become desperate. Short corners, RUBBISH, we needed the ball in the box and this was disgusting !!!! We had no tactics to get around the ORGANISED opponents. Sorry but last night Canioman, you were Paolo de Crappio, no answers to address the problems in your own proclaimed fortress. You picked the team that was least able to deal with our visitors. What has John Bostock got to do to get a game, you wanted him, chased him, signed him and then benched him. If ever a game was screaming for someone to run at the opposition it was last night. What a total waste of time money and effort for the supporters to turn up and watch this dross, play Villa ?? you are having a laugh. For those that didn't make it, you were better off at home. This was the worse game I have seen in a very long time at CG, and we gave them far too much respect.
Sorry for the rant, but we all kn ow we can do better. Time for the management to look inwards and ask some serious questions.
the wizard
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8:05am Wed 3 Oct 12
James,
I have a grip, I was there last night, and I know what I saw, total rubbish !
Fact, we have lost three times to The Pox who play 4-3-3, and we could deal with it. Fact we lost last night to a team that stuck five across the middle and couldn't deal with it.
I have a very good grip on what I saw, tell me and everyone else, were you there ? I rather suspect NOT
I have a grip, I was there last night, and I know what I saw, total rubbish !
Fact, we have lost three times to The Pox who play 4-3-3, and we could deal with it. Fact we lost last night to a team that stuck five across the middle and couldn't deal with it.
I have a very good grip on what I saw, tell me and everyone else, were you there ? I rather suspect NOT
the wizard
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8:12am Wed 3 Oct 12
Typo error,
Fact, we have lost three times to The Pox who play 4-3-3, and we could NOT deal with it. Fact we lost last night to a team that stuck five across the middle and couldn't deal with it
Fact, we have lost three times to The Pox who play 4-3-3, and we could NOT deal with it. Fact we lost last night to a team that stuck five across the middle and couldn't deal with it
Redhouse Red
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8:34am Wed 3 Oct 12
Few bits from me
We were woeful. Picking a man of the match would of been an insult to the 7,500 in attendence.
Totally agree with the managers comments
But full credit to Colchester. They pressed all the way up the pitch and pressed quickly. Which forced the town players to 'just get the ball away'. They keep playing like that they'll do well. Probably need a decent striker tho.
What an idiot rose is. Winding the crowd up like that. However thank god he did. Because the town ends response was the highlight of my evening. Hilarious!!
We were woeful. Picking a man of the match would of been an insult to the 7,500 in attendence.
Totally agree with the managers comments
But full credit to Colchester. They pressed all the way up the pitch and pressed quickly. Which forced the town players to 'just get the ball away'. They keep playing like that they'll do well. Probably need a decent striker tho.
What an idiot rose is. Winding the crowd up like that. However thank god he did. Because the town ends response was the highlight of my evening. Hilarious!!
NORTH STAND
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8:35am Wed 3 Oct 12
The range of emotions on here continues to fascinate....once again we have gone from world beating certainties for the title (we're not) to complete and utter dross (we're not) in the space of four days... THIS IS FOOTBALL and perhaps just occasionally the performance of the opposition or simply the run of the ball has an impact on our God given right to three points?
The continual lambasting of individuals (generally based on one or two appearances) tends to come from the same posters who think PDC's team changes leads to their lack of confidence... and those who think Ferry was any better than Miller or Navarro last night have simply been listening to too much Alan 'chip on both shoulders' McLoughlin..... This squad is unrecognisable from the true dross of two seasons ago and the club is making huge steps forward... yet every time we drop a point out come the knee jerkers with their own spite ridden agendas ....
The continual lambasting of individuals (generally based on one or two appearances) tends to come from the same posters who think PDC's team changes leads to their lack of confidence... and those who think Ferry was any better than Miller or Navarro last night have simply been listening to too much Alan 'chip on both shoulders' McLoughlin..... This squad is unrecognisable from the true dross of two seasons ago and the club is making huge steps forward... yet every time we drop a point out come the knee jerkers with their own spite ridden agendas ....
paddyblue
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8:43am Wed 3 Oct 12
I accompanied a friend to last nights game, and it was a very poor Swindon performance. As much as LR defends with stats the thing he forgets is pdc signs these players as he believes they will do the business. My friend who is an avid Swindon fan feels like the majority on here no stability in the squad selection helping the players to gel. Yes LR Barcelona may lose like all sides the problem is when will the manager take the blame instead of slating a squad he created! A happy camp gets results!
Since 1950
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8:47am Wed 3 Oct 12
No need for much comment here as Paolo has said it all. Apart from the opening 10 mins or so we were rubbish. That was relegation form. The fact that no 'man of the match' was awarded last night is a comment in itself. I would have given it to De Vita, and he was subbed! There were some very bellow par performances last night. A couple I would have had off before half time. Let's hope we can put this behind us at Bury.
What is the story with Bostock? He looked a very exiting prospect last season but has yet to figure this.
What is the story with Bostock? He looked a very exiting prospect last season but has yet to figure this.
Dover Red
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8:53am Wed 3 Oct 12
First defeat in 6, yes a poor performance, but it happens. As soon as a lose comes along with have to surgicaly take it apart and play the blame game, we will loose games and sometimes play badly, but i think a defeat every 5 or 6 games should be acceptable to most, though not for some it seems !
redjet
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8:54am Wed 3 Oct 12
Changing the squad is no excuse for what I saw last night. Any pro footballer should be able to play better than that at any time no matter who their team mates are. So stop going on about squad changing, don't give the team an excuse for woeful playing. I honestly thought they must have been out on the raz this week and had a hangover.
Robinonfire
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8:54am Wed 3 Oct 12
To many changes.....should start with Ferry every game.
London Red
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8:59am Wed 3 Oct 12
Wiz - I've learn't my lesson not to go round and round and round in a pointless arguemtnt - I simply can't be bothered anymore
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I'm leaving this debate now - I agree with 84 (hadn't seen his post when I wrote mine but we had pretty much the same points) and with North Stand - who summed it up nicely one swallow doesn't make a summer - which was my point over percentage of wins PdC has had
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I'm leaving this debate now - I agree with 84 (hadn't seen his post when I wrote mine but we had pretty much the same points) and with North Stand - who summed it up nicely one swallow doesn't make a summer - which was my point over percentage of wins PdC has had
outlaw2
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9:00am Wed 3 Oct 12
How many wake up calls do these guys need? No doubt in the next few days we will hear all the usual stuff - we cant explain it - we need to do better etc etc, but none of that will justify such a poor performance.
Early days in this league I admit but this cannot go on.
Early days in this league I admit but this cannot go on.
badger58
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9:00am Wed 3 Oct 12
Totally agree North Stand put it down as a bad day at the office it happens . League 1 is full of teams who can beat anyone on their day without any standout teams.
Except defeat and move on its early doors , in Paolo i trust .
Except defeat and move on its early doors , in Paolo i trust .
mallorca
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9:06am Wed 3 Oct 12
I can undertand Pdc looking to find a settled side,yet what is happening must confuse the Players.One minute we have a decent balanced side then Pdc changes it or makes wholesale changes.Barring injuries he appears to be maybe trying to hard.
It's frustrating for all you guys over there who pay out good money week in week out.Plus what do players need to do to get a regular spot or even a game,Ferry and Bostock are an example.
I do hope he can settle things as I just feel the players will only accept so much there only human.
Last point is Pdc is still learning his craft so maybe patience is needed
It's frustrating for all you guys over there who pay out good money week in week out.Plus what do players need to do to get a regular spot or even a game,Ferry and Bostock are an example.
I do hope he can settle things as I just feel the players will only accept so much there only human.
Last point is Pdc is still learning his craft so maybe patience is needed
Dover Red
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9:06am Wed 3 Oct 12
London Red wrote:Indeed, dont blame you, when Oxford United get thrown into an argument its time to leave , all common sense goes out the window !!!
Wiz - I've learn't my lesson not to go round and round and round in a pointless arguemtnt - I simply can't be bothered anymore
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I'm leaving this debate now - I agree with 84 (hadn't seen his post when I wrote mine but we had pretty much the same points) and with North Stand - who summed it up nicely one swallow doesn't make a summer - which was my point over percentage of wins PdC has had
Custodian
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9:12am Wed 3 Oct 12
Please stop with all the 'chopping and changing' comments. Do you all think Di Canio picks the team by pulling names from a hat? This man is meticulous in his preparation but there's one thing you can never legislate for: human beings. The players were all off their game last night and it stuck out like a sore thumb. Thankfully, these performances are now few and far between.
JohnNeal4me
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9:25am Wed 3 Oct 12
What I found most surprising about last night -apart from a totally abject performance- was the fact that PDC just sat in the dugout and watched it happen. I sometimes get a bit fed up with his ranting and raving when we are actually playing quite well but last night there was almost nothing. In fact it was a bit like the second half at Wembley when he looked totally forlorn, just watching it happen. While I accept that even the best teams will have the occasional bad day at the office 2 out of 3 home league games is a cause for concern. I do wonder whether bringing in a number of 'old pros' has upset the balance in the dressing room.
the wizard
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9:26am Wed 3 Oct 12
LR,
Ok but, we were rubbish against Orient, as we were against Colchester and Preston, we faired little better against Shrews and were more than lucky to win, so that is at least four games recently we have been below what most of regulars expect from this team under this management, and that is leaving OU out of the debate. Its OK for some of you to judge from afar, however, reasons various a lot of us are going to more games and get a far better picture of what is actually going on, on the pitch. I was commenting on last nights game and not the season as a whole before you dragged out your abacus and started toting stats around. Perhaps a stat relating to the satisfaction of those leaving CG last night is more to the point. I would say a VERY large percentage would be more in my camp than yours. You can wear your rose tinted for as long as you like, however at some point you should remove the blinkers.
Ok but, we were rubbish against Orient, as we were against Colchester and Preston, we faired little better against Shrews and were more than lucky to win, so that is at least four games recently we have been below what most of regulars expect from this team under this management, and that is leaving OU out of the debate. Its OK for some of you to judge from afar, however, reasons various a lot of us are going to more games and get a far better picture of what is actually going on, on the pitch. I was commenting on last nights game and not the season as a whole before you dragged out your abacus and started toting stats around. Perhaps a stat relating to the satisfaction of those leaving CG last night is more to the point. I would say a VERY large percentage would be more in my camp than yours. You can wear your rose tinted for as long as you like, however at some point you should remove the blinkers.
TownFan81
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9:38am Wed 3 Oct 12
Always baffles me how one bad game (and yes, it was pretty dire) and all of a sudden we're a poor side !
End of the day, it was a blip, in what will be a very good season yet again. Think back to the past 12/13 years, we used to watch 25 performances like that a season, now it's 2 or 3 at most.
Yes all 14 had poor games, or games where they weren't at their best, a good side can carry one or two, but when it's all 14 the inevitable usually happens.
I don't want to pick out names that won't do any good, but some weren't as poor as others. As for PDC, for me he's been a revelation at STFC, and learnt A LOT along the way, however one thing he still has to learn in my opinion is how to break down a side like Colchester.
They came and played for a point, if not for a smash and grab set piece they'd have left witht that point. We need to learn how to break down a side who will come and play 4-5-1, and 'park the bus' who are mostly over 6ft 2" and big and strong........the only way I see for that to happen is a change of formation, and playing the ball on the deck.
I know PDC loves a 4-4-2, and why not it's got us this far, but as we come up against better sides, we need other options. I'd have taken Bessone off, bought on Bostock and matched their 3 in the middle, but then he's the gaffer and I'm just a fan......what do I know ?!
Onwards and upwards, bring on Bury Saturday, if their pitch is playable by then !
End of the day, it was a blip, in what will be a very good season yet again. Think back to the past 12/13 years, we used to watch 25 performances like that a season, now it's 2 or 3 at most.
Yes all 14 had poor games, or games where they weren't at their best, a good side can carry one or two, but when it's all 14 the inevitable usually happens.
I don't want to pick out names that won't do any good, but some weren't as poor as others. As for PDC, for me he's been a revelation at STFC, and learnt A LOT along the way, however one thing he still has to learn in my opinion is how to break down a side like Colchester.
They came and played for a point, if not for a smash and grab set piece they'd have left witht that point. We need to learn how to break down a side who will come and play 4-5-1, and 'park the bus' who are mostly over 6ft 2" and big and strong........the only way I see for that to happen is a change of formation, and playing the ball on the deck.
I know PDC loves a 4-4-2, and why not it's got us this far, but as we come up against better sides, we need other options. I'd have taken Bessone off, bought on Bostock and matched their 3 in the middle, but then he's the gaffer and I'm just a fan......what do I know ?!
Onwards and upwards, bring on Bury Saturday, if their pitch is playable by then !
the don69
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9:48am Wed 3 Oct 12
Well Paolo!with the playing budget you have!we shouldn't be average!League one is a tough ol league and any team can beat any team on their day,we still don't know what our best side is?but we've had three horror shows,so when were bad we are very bad,but on our day we are very good!so what we need is that magic word Consistency!the two cr@py little teams at the top(that's what LR calls them)have consistency and are working on less than half our playing budget!so the message to Paolo and our players is!talk is cheap,let your playing do the talking and start performing week in,week out not when you feel like it!!!!!!!!!!!!
ICDeadpeople
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9:51am Wed 3 Oct 12
I think Paolo did his homework on Colchester when the previous manager was in charge.
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Perhaps that's why he was out witted tactically?
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Perhaps that's why he was out witted tactically?
Oi Den!
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9:58am Wed 3 Oct 12
Any Town fan who left that game without making any negative comment either has the patience of a saint or is not really bothered. Yes, sh1t happens and no, it's not the end of the world. But does it ever actually occur to some people that fans are critical because they CARE about their club? There is no doubt that we are capable of much better than last night. But ignoring the performance and taking consolation from the fact that we have won X out of X games is burying your head in the sand. We have work to do.
tobruk
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9:59am Wed 3 Oct 12
No point in having a squad system if the players are not rotated. All of the squad should be interchangeable in their prescribed positions, so it should not matter which team PDC picks. All should come up to the mark. Hopefully last night just another blip. No need to panic yet. PDC- he knows what he wants, he is the most passionate and committed manager we've had for years- keep the faith folks!!
fss2012
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10:06am Wed 3 Oct 12
No one can deny the performance last night was not acceptable and it is a collective responsibility of both players and managers. I for one, happen to feel that one thing that will help in maintaining a better consistency of performance would be for PDC to have a more consistent team selection. When you look back at the start of last season, our results up until xmas were indifferent because there were so many changes to the team week after week. Whereas, after xmas, he had a more settled side. There were 6 changes at Shrewsbury which didn't work, there were another 4 last night... how can any player build up momentum if they are not playing each week... in my view, our consistent performers this season have been Macca, Ritchie, Miller, Wes and Willo - and the one thing they all have in common is they play pretty much every week. He needs to pick an 11 and win or lose, play well or not, he needs to stick with them for a period of games. All good sides do well because they are teams within teams. You cannot continue to seemingly punish players by dropping them every time they don't play well. This for me is no more evident than it is with the strikers. 10 games in the league and our strikers goal return are Willo (3) Rooney (2) Benno (1) Collins (0), which simply isn't good enough. in only 4/10 league games this season have we managed to score more than a goal in a game. I cant help but feel that PDC needs to pick who partners Willo (who we know is his 1st choice) and stick with them and try and let a partnership blossom. I have been to every game this season and what is clear, there is no coordination or understanding between Willo and the other 3 but how can there be when the 2nd striker seems to change every game and then within every game, they are then being hauled off after 60+ mins. It is even more baffling how on some occasions the 2nd striker can do well and score and then they don't feature... Benson scored at Carlisle, then didn't feature for 2 games and whilst he is an experienced pro who gets on with it, there must also be a feeling of "what more can i do than score?" and that mind set cannot be healthy.
The above is not an outright solution, there are always going to be poor performances on occasions, due to very nature of football at this level and there will always be at times, a tactical need to tinker slightly with a team, but a more settled team can surely help. In PDC we trust and im sure in time this will come into fruition but until then we may still at times see performances like last night. But lets not forget we are 3 points off 2nd, 4th round of Capital One Cup and we only got promoted last season, so we are certainly going along nicely and excitingly there is more to come i feel !!! COYR
The above is not an outright solution, there are always going to be poor performances on occasions, due to very nature of football at this level and there will always be at times, a tactical need to tinker slightly with a team, but a more settled team can surely help. In PDC we trust and im sure in time this will come into fruition but until then we may still at times see performances like last night. But lets not forget we are 3 points off 2nd, 4th round of Capital One Cup and we only got promoted last season, so we are certainly going along nicely and excitingly there is more to come i feel !!! COYR
Oi Den!
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10:08am Wed 3 Oct 12
Should have added that PDC is very critical of his players in this interview, pointing out that it is not just one game but several games. LR and NORTH STAND, are you going to take the manager to task over these comments?
Psychedelic Syd
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10:16am Wed 3 Oct 12
Woeful performance last night and very worrying. Tactics were dire and after a first half of lumping long high balls up for the Colchester defenders to mop up with ease, we came out second half and did exactly the same! Madness.
Bessone was poor at Shrewsbury and bad again last night, mind you, other than De Vita (how could he have been subbed?) and Macca, everyone outfield was diabolical. Troy looked suspect last night and rapidly lost confidence after his dreadful early distribution. I thought he had looked very promising up until last night's game, now I am not so sure, too early to pre-judge him. I don't understand how Flint can be persistently ignored, Ward was OK at Shrewsbury but is nothing special, Aden is far more dominant in the air and we needed someone like that last night as the ball seemed to spend 50% of the game at head height or higher.
We lack speed on the flanks. Ritchie is easily shut out of the game without a good overlapping full back and supportive midfielder like Si to draw players away from him. There are times when he is so frustrating I think he needs a brain transplant. Roberts when he plays has skill but hasn't got the speed to get away from the players he has beaten and his tackling is almost non-existent - 50:50 balls - forget it, he's not even keen when the odds are in his favour! I don't think it would have made any difference last night if he had been fit. Andy Williams had a poor night, nothing seemed to work for him although he never gives up and Benson was similarly off-form. Collins does not look like the answer either, maybe a smart piece of business by Shrewsbury for all their whingeing.
Depressing game all round. Hope to goodness that Bostock gets his chance soon and that young Nathan is fit again. Our midfield is sadly lacking when Miller/Navarro start together - their combined age is 64 and age is telling on them both from the looks of it, mentally and physically. Si Ferry was clutching the top of his thigh late in game at Shrewsbury so can only presume he had an injury niggle that prevented him starting last night. Apologies for being so negative, very down after that performance but I'm sure we will rise again once more.
Bessone was poor at Shrewsbury and bad again last night, mind you, other than De Vita (how could he have been subbed?) and Macca, everyone outfield was diabolical. Troy looked suspect last night and rapidly lost confidence after his dreadful early distribution. I thought he had looked very promising up until last night's game, now I am not so sure, too early to pre-judge him. I don't understand how Flint can be persistently ignored, Ward was OK at Shrewsbury but is nothing special, Aden is far more dominant in the air and we needed someone like that last night as the ball seemed to spend 50% of the game at head height or higher.
We lack speed on the flanks. Ritchie is easily shut out of the game without a good overlapping full back and supportive midfielder like Si to draw players away from him. There are times when he is so frustrating I think he needs a brain transplant. Roberts when he plays has skill but hasn't got the speed to get away from the players he has beaten and his tackling is almost non-existent - 50:50 balls - forget it, he's not even keen when the odds are in his favour! I don't think it would have made any difference last night if he had been fit. Andy Williams had a poor night, nothing seemed to work for him although he never gives up and Benson was similarly off-form. Collins does not look like the answer either, maybe a smart piece of business by Shrewsbury for all their whingeing.
Depressing game all round. Hope to goodness that Bostock gets his chance soon and that young Nathan is fit again. Our midfield is sadly lacking when Miller/Navarro start together - their combined age is 64 and age is telling on them both from the looks of it, mentally and physically. Si Ferry was clutching the top of his thigh late in game at Shrewsbury so can only presume he had an injury niggle that prevented him starting last night. Apologies for being so negative, very down after that performance but I'm sure we will rise again once more.
old town robin
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10:19am Wed 3 Oct 12
London Red wrote:LR, I don't have a problem with you supporting PDC with facts, i agree with you with a win 60% ratio, which is truley very commendibe at any level
Wiz simple answer I'm not going to bother getting in an arguement with you
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If you think PdC's 60%+ wins in his career have only come against 442 teams you are sadly very mistaken
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Bad games happen - we are not Barcelona - well in fact they lose games too!
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We have won 8 of 14 - get a grip!!!!!!
But what is very concerning is not just the fact we have lost 2 of our 3 home league games (66%) against very average teams, but it is the way we lost them with poor performances all over the pitch. I'm afraid every apposing team knows now how to nulify our 4-4-2 by playing 5 across the middle and 1 up front and we don't seem to have any plan B to change things. If Williams was better at putting his one on one chances in the onion bag and if we had got that early goal he fluffed, it would have been a completely different game because they would have had to change the way they were set up.
It's very difficult for anyone who was not there to imagine just how bad they played last night, but one poster earlier compared it with the dross of the relegation season, with no desire, no passion add to that the fact there was no MoM awarded and for the first time in along time the crowd were leaving in droves before the final whistle, it should give you some indication just how bad it was. The CG is our fortress where we are supposed to win more than we lose on last night performance we won't be doing too much of that unless Paulo barring injures settles with his best back 4, which for me would be Thompson, Flint, Macca and McEverley, the centre midfield is a problem and up front we are not exactly clinical in our finishing.
Paolo has his work cut out to sort them out before saturday, but I still have the faith to believe he will get it right and unless there is a problem with Bostock, he really needs to start using him, don't want to see him go back to Spurs because he can't get a game.
jamesturner
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10:26am Wed 3 Oct 12
It may be true to say that squad rotation may have its benefits but equally it is true to say a consistant side has more benefits.Whether we go up this season or not is immaterial as it is more important for the club that the squad reflects on the division we are playing.
At the moment the team is average very average and it must be a nightmare for players who have had reasonable games to be sitting in the stand the next match and other players who have consistantly had mediocre games to be included in the team.I am sure there will be more tinkering for Saturdays game which is against another team with a new manager and one who is no mug and a potential banana skin.
At the moment the team is average very average and it must be a nightmare for players who have had reasonable games to be sitting in the stand the next match and other players who have consistantly had mediocre games to be included in the team.I am sure there will be more tinkering for Saturdays game which is against another team with a new manager and one who is no mug and a potential banana skin.
dreamofacleansheet2
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10:26am Wed 3 Oct 12
I'm just going to make one more point today.
The team that beat Brighton had Wes, Jay, Macca, Troy, Matt, Miller, Navarro, and Williams in it.
Rightly or wrongly I believe Paolo has until last night seen all these as his first choice. If Thompson and Roberts had been fit that would have been 10 out of 11 of his first team starting and you could argue with Benson all 11.
It's got nothing to do with rotation it's got everything to do with hunger and desire, closing down, making yourself available so your teammate can pass it to you and not hoof it. Anyone can criticise players for hoofing it but how many times did players have options?
As TownFan81 and others have said we do need to work a way of beating the 9 men behind the ball teams. perfectly legitimate tactic and brilliantly executed by Colchester. Credit where credit is due.
The team that beat Brighton had Wes, Jay, Macca, Troy, Matt, Miller, Navarro, and Williams in it.
Rightly or wrongly I believe Paolo has until last night seen all these as his first choice. If Thompson and Roberts had been fit that would have been 10 out of 11 of his first team starting and you could argue with Benson all 11.
It's got nothing to do with rotation it's got everything to do with hunger and desire, closing down, making yourself available so your teammate can pass it to you and not hoof it. Anyone can criticise players for hoofing it but how many times did players have options?
As TownFan81 and others have said we do need to work a way of beating the 9 men behind the ball teams. perfectly legitimate tactic and brilliantly executed by Colchester. Credit where credit is due.
jamesturner
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10:29am Wed 3 Oct 12
fss2012 wrote:A good intellegent write up.better than all the ranting and raving.
No one can deny the performance last night was not acceptable and it is a collective responsibility of both players and managers. I for one, happen to feel that one thing that will help in maintaining a better consistency of performance would be for PDC to have a more consistent team selection. When you look back at the start of last season, our results up until xmas were indifferent because there were so many changes to the team week after week. Whereas, after xmas, he had a more settled side. There were 6 changes at Shrewsbury which didn't work, there were another 4 last night... how can any player build up momentum if they are not playing each week... in my view, our consistent performers this season have been Macca, Ritchie, Miller, Wes and Willo - and the one thing they all have in common is they play pretty much every week. He needs to pick an 11 and win or lose, play well or not, he needs to stick with them for a period of games. All good sides do well because they are teams within teams. You cannot continue to seemingly punish players by dropping them every time they don't play well. This for me is no more evident than it is with the strikers. 10 games in the league and our strikers goal return are Willo (3) Rooney (2) Benno (1) Collins (0), which simply isn't good enough. in only 4/10 league games this season have we managed to score more than a goal in a game. I cant help but feel that PDC needs to pick who partners Willo (who we know is his 1st choice) and stick with them and try and let a partnership blossom. I have been to every game this season and what is clear, there is no coordination or understanding between Willo and the other 3 but how can there be when the 2nd striker seems to change every game and then within every game, they are then being hauled off after 60+ mins. It is even more baffling how on some occasions the 2nd striker can do well and score and then they don't feature... Benson scored at Carlisle, then didn't feature for 2 games and whilst he is an experienced pro who gets on with it, there must also be a feeling of "what more can i do than score?" and that mind set cannot be healthy.
The above is not an outright solution, there are always going to be poor performances on occasions, due to very nature of football at this level and there will always be at times, a tactical need to tinker slightly with a team, but a more settled team can surely help. In PDC we trust and im sure in time this will come into fruition but until then we may still at times see performances like last night. But lets not forget we are 3 points off 2nd, 4th round of Capital One Cup and we only got promoted last season, so we are certainly going along nicely and excitingly there is more to come i feel !!! COYR
Summerof69
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10:31am Wed 3 Oct 12
tobruk wrote:I agree almost completely with Tobruk.
No point in having a squad system if the players are not rotated. All of the squad should be interchangeable in their prescribed positions, so it should not matter which team PDC picks. All should come up to the mark. Hopefully last night just another blip. No need to panic yet. PDC- he knows what he wants, he is the most passionate and committed manager we've had for years- keep the faith folks!!
In defence of PDC rotation system. He has built a squad of players, that he believes should be good enough whoever he picks.
As regards last night, I am not naive enough to expect us to win every game. My issue is that, almost 1 month after the Orient game we appear to have learnt nothing from it. Clearly teams are going to come here with a plan to stop us playing and we have NOT YET developed an alternative way to counteract this.
Probably the most disappointing aspect of last nights game was not the defeat, it was the fact that the majority of people there could see that plan A was not working at half time, but still nothing really changed in the 2nd half.
Hampshire_ReD
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11:01am Wed 3 Oct 12
In general - we can slam the players as much as we like, but it won't stop games like last night from re-occuring.
Everyone knows we like to play a pacey, expansive game, using the wings to full extent. We would have hammered Colchester if given the opportunity to use full width.
Colchester simply stopped us doing that by disciplined marking and pressured, good organisation combined with a **very poor** referee who was absolutely hoodwinked by their continusous diving, and completely missed the continuous fouls/holding onto our players until the end of the game.
How Colchester finished the game with 11 players - I cannot understand.
Our Back 4 look good when they have space to play in - but when you have 2-3 guys simply crowding out the player on the ball, and nobody else making space to play into... the only option is hoof ball (and surprise surprise.. look what happened).
HOWEVER... I simply do not understand how Navarro gets into our 1st 11. He doesn't hold the ball up, he doesn't tackle well, he doesn't attack well, he doesn't even spread the play that well. In short - the rest of the team are carrying him.
I've felt this even in games when we have won. Ferry is SO much more dynamic -but obviously he can't play every minute of every game..he'll be worn out.
Surely Bostock can offer something better than Navarro ?
Injuries to Thompson and Flint really told.
Based on recent performances, Thompson would have stopped 90% of their breaks down the wing.
The problem with this result is that it further reinforces our inability to play against physical teams who are good int the air.
Paolo needs to find a Plan B to handle this challenge.
Everyone knows we like to play a pacey, expansive game, using the wings to full extent. We would have hammered Colchester if given the opportunity to use full width.
Colchester simply stopped us doing that by disciplined marking and pressured, good organisation combined with a **very poor** referee who was absolutely hoodwinked by their continusous diving, and completely missed the continuous fouls/holding onto our players until the end of the game.
How Colchester finished the game with 11 players - I cannot understand.
Our Back 4 look good when they have space to play in - but when you have 2-3 guys simply crowding out the player on the ball, and nobody else making space to play into... the only option is hoof ball (and surprise surprise.. look what happened).
HOWEVER... I simply do not understand how Navarro gets into our 1st 11. He doesn't hold the ball up, he doesn't tackle well, he doesn't attack well, he doesn't even spread the play that well. In short - the rest of the team are carrying him.
I've felt this even in games when we have won. Ferry is SO much more dynamic -but obviously he can't play every minute of every game..he'll be worn out.
Surely Bostock can offer something better than Navarro ?
Injuries to Thompson and Flint really told.
Based on recent performances, Thompson would have stopped 90% of their breaks down the wing.
The problem with this result is that it further reinforces our inability to play against physical teams who are good int the air.
Paolo needs to find a Plan B to handle this challenge.
Swindon1984
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11:03am Wed 3 Oct 12
Summerof69 wrote:Good bit of balance there - we shouldn't overreact too much, as we've made a relatively good start to the season. However the performance was dire, and we can't ignore that fact. People who didn't see it may be able to be a bit more philosophical but coming away from a game like that, not just the result but the performance as a whole, leaves a nasty taste in the mouth.
tobruk wrote: No point in having a squad system if the players are not rotated. All of the squad should be interchangeable in their prescribed positions, so it should not matter which team PDC picks. All should come up to the mark. Hopefully last night just another blip. No need to panic yet. PDC- he knows what he wants, he is the most passionate and committed manager we've had for years- keep the faith folks!!I agree almost completely with Tobruk. In defence of PDC rotation system. He has built a squad of players, that he believes should be good enough whoever he picks. As regards last night, I am not naive enough to expect us to win every game. My issue is that, almost 1 month after the Orient game we appear to have learnt nothing from it. Clearly teams are going to come here with a plan to stop us playing and we have NOT YET developed an alternative way to counteract this. Probably the most disappointing aspect of last nights game was not the defeat, it was the fact that the majority of people there could see that plan A was not working at half time, but still nothing really changed in the 2nd half.
If these "blips" start becoming regular occurences, they're not really blips anymore, and there's real cause for concern. I'd be happier if we could at least say on the days we drop points that we've played a good game and put in maximum effort - that didn't happen last night.
Instant reaction is required against Bury, good game and at least a point (but really a win is needed to keep us in the mix) and all's well, defeat at Bury would be an issue though. Need to be grinding out results and the only way to do that is to be up for the game from the word go.
midland red
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11:14am Wed 3 Oct 12
I doubt I will say anything new here but like others who have posted I decided to sleep on it as if I had posted last night it would probably have been an over-the-top rant following the 140 mile round trip I make to all home games - and this time with my son who can't make many games as he works on Saturdays. I'd been talking this game up to him following the Shrewsbury game but what a real and terrible disappointment......
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I'll start by saying I still have faith that this can be a cracking season under PDC and this type of performance can happen but this is 2 now in the space of a month!
I feared the worst when I saw the team sheet. Like others who have posted I'm completely bewildered by the following:-
I can understand team changes following defeat or for tactical reasons or injuries but why:-
* Drop Ward after a solid game at Shrewsbury? Troy AH was our worst player last night - his distribution was awful and it ended up affecting his and everyone else's confidence. PDC should have put him out of his misery at half-time.
* Drop Ferry after very good performance - whenever he is not playing the whole team suffers and we end up playing long-ball. Devera and Miller are good at what they do but both lack the passing and creative abilities of Ferry. Devera was particularly poor last night! That's also why I don't blame the strikers for last night - they had nothing to work with!
If PDC insists on messing about with the midfield at least give Bostock a chance!
In summary - PDC could do worse than to occasionally adhere to the old adage:- Don't change a winning team!!!
As I said I still have faith and if the team that beat Stoke and Bournmouth turn up against Villa we have a good chance but if the one turns up that played Leyton Orient and Colchester we risk humiliation!
Onwards and Upwards
COYRs
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I'll start by saying I still have faith that this can be a cracking season under PDC and this type of performance can happen but this is 2 now in the space of a month!
I feared the worst when I saw the team sheet. Like others who have posted I'm completely bewildered by the following:-
I can understand team changes following defeat or for tactical reasons or injuries but why:-
* Drop Ward after a solid game at Shrewsbury? Troy AH was our worst player last night - his distribution was awful and it ended up affecting his and everyone else's confidence. PDC should have put him out of his misery at half-time.
* Drop Ferry after very good performance - whenever he is not playing the whole team suffers and we end up playing long-ball. Devera and Miller are good at what they do but both lack the passing and creative abilities of Ferry. Devera was particularly poor last night! That's also why I don't blame the strikers for last night - they had nothing to work with!
If PDC insists on messing about with the midfield at least give Bostock a chance!
In summary - PDC could do worse than to occasionally adhere to the old adage:- Don't change a winning team!!!
As I said I still have faith and if the team that beat Stoke and Bournmouth turn up against Villa we have a good chance but if the one turns up that played Leyton Orient and Colchester we risk humiliation!
Onwards and Upwards
COYRs
southside7
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11:15am Wed 3 Oct 12
Oi Den! wrote:yes Paolo that's just a typical knee jerk comment, how dare you criticise PDC......hang on a minute.
Should have added that PDC is very critical of his players in this interview, pointing out that it is not just one game but several games. LR and NORTH STAND, are you going to take the manager to task over these comments?
Cookie43
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11:15am Wed 3 Oct 12
For f..cks sake here we go again!!!
We can not win every game I had to rush back from Manchester last night to maintain my 100% record of games.
Yes it was bad but hey it's football sometimes you have to give the opposition credit packed midfield we could not play through them we hoofed it up their big lads at the back delt with it fair play to Colchester their game plan worked.
6 changes at Shrewsbury we won no moaners then!!!!
Thompson injured we have a squad so players should be able to step in and play.
I think to many fans are expecting far to much we are at the right end of the table. I couldn't believe fans booing the team at the end one word "pathetic"
Keep that up and Di Canio might just say you know what boll.x to you.
For me i will continue to be a realist and expect the odd blip but continue to give my full support "every game every goal "
Come on u reds!!!!!!!!
We can not win every game I had to rush back from Manchester last night to maintain my 100% record of games.
Yes it was bad but hey it's football sometimes you have to give the opposition credit packed midfield we could not play through them we hoofed it up their big lads at the back delt with it fair play to Colchester their game plan worked.
6 changes at Shrewsbury we won no moaners then!!!!
Thompson injured we have a squad so players should be able to step in and play.
I think to many fans are expecting far to much we are at the right end of the table. I couldn't believe fans booing the team at the end one word "pathetic"
Keep that up and Di Canio might just say you know what boll.x to you.
For me i will continue to be a realist and expect the odd blip but continue to give my full support "every game every goal "
Come on u reds!!!!!!!!
Oxon-Red
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11:16am Wed 3 Oct 12
Apologies to OTR, maybe a bit harsh and I was as disappointed as everyone else last night.
We lost that game in midfield which was the reason the defence was forced to hoof it. Where was our Colchester number 15 (I think) ? He ran the show for them last night, found space, was available to his defenders, passed it found more space etc. We desperately needed a player on the pitch like him last night, a Jonathan Douglas type player ! Perhaps this is the role that Bostock can play.
Bessone has been slammed on here by many and some have called for Devera who was also slammed after the Orient defeat, same people ? I defend Bessone as his performance defensively was sound and primarily that is his job. The same could be said about the remainder of the defence as Wes's goal was only ever threatened from distance. If they are being slammed for their poor distribution, i.e. hoof ball, look elsewhere for blame. I was asked last night (after I'd retired) what Bessone did right, I ask what did he do so badly that he is being singled out ?
Wizard is right about the plan B, I think most of us could see that we were being overrun in midfield (similar to QPR on Monday). Perhaps removing a wide player and bringing a central midfielder on would have worked, Bostock tapping at the ankles of their number 15 perhaps.
I hope Paolo can use this game and learn from it but he does need his team to be able to do the basics right i.e. pass the ball and control it.
Hoping for better !
COYMR
We lost that game in midfield which was the reason the defence was forced to hoof it. Where was our Colchester number 15 (I think) ? He ran the show for them last night, found space, was available to his defenders, passed it found more space etc. We desperately needed a player on the pitch like him last night, a Jonathan Douglas type player ! Perhaps this is the role that Bostock can play.
Bessone has been slammed on here by many and some have called for Devera who was also slammed after the Orient defeat, same people ? I defend Bessone as his performance defensively was sound and primarily that is his job. The same could be said about the remainder of the defence as Wes's goal was only ever threatened from distance. If they are being slammed for their poor distribution, i.e. hoof ball, look elsewhere for blame. I was asked last night (after I'd retired) what Bessone did right, I ask what did he do so badly that he is being singled out ?
Wizard is right about the plan B, I think most of us could see that we were being overrun in midfield (similar to QPR on Monday). Perhaps removing a wide player and bringing a central midfielder on would have worked, Bostock tapping at the ankles of their number 15 perhaps.
I hope Paolo can use this game and learn from it but he does need his team to be able to do the basics right i.e. pass the ball and control it.
Hoping for better !
COYMR
Summerof69
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11:17am Wed 3 Oct 12
Swindon1984 wrote:Agreed ..... also need a little perspective, in my opinion.
Summerof69 wrote:Good bit of balance there - we shouldn't overreact too much, as we've made a relatively good start to the season. However the performance was dire, and we can't ignore that fact. People who didn't see it may be able to be a bit more philosophical but coming away from a game like that, not just the result but the performance as a whole, leaves a nasty taste in the mouth. If these "blips" start becoming regular occurences, they're not really blips anymore, and there's real cause for concern. I'd be happier if we could at least say on the days we drop points that we've played a good game and put in maximum effort - that didn't happen last night. Instant reaction is required against Bury, good game and at least a point (but really a win is needed to keep us in the mix) and all's well, defeat at Bury would be an issue though. Need to be grinding out results and the only way to do that is to be up for the game from the word go.tobruk wrote: No point in having a squad system if the players are not rotated. All of the squad should be interchangeable in their prescribed positions, so it should not matter which team PDC picks. All should come up to the mark. Hopefully last night just another blip. No need to panic yet. PDC- he knows what he wants, he is the most passionate and committed manager we've had for years- keep the faith folks!!I agree almost completely with Tobruk. In defence of PDC rotation system. He has built a squad of players, that he believes should be good enough whoever he picks. As regards last night, I am not naive enough to expect us to win every game. My issue is that, almost 1 month after the Orient game we appear to have learnt nothing from it. Clearly teams are going to come here with a plan to stop us playing and we have NOT YET developed an alternative way to counteract this. Probably the most disappointing aspect of last nights game was not the defeat, it was the fact that the majority of people there could see that plan A was not working at half time, but still nothing really changed in the 2nd half.
Since the Orient "blip" ... we have won 3 and drawn 1. So, overall since then, including last night, we have taken 10 out of a possible 15 points.
I, for one, would take 10 points out of every 15 for the season and enjoy next summer as champions again.
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11:23am Wed 3 Oct 12
midland red wrote:For Devera - read Navaro! sorry, typing too quick for brain!
I doubt I will say anything new here but like others who have posted I decided to sleep on it as if I had posted last night it would probably have been an over-the-top rant following the 140 mile round trip I make to all home games - and this time with my son who can't make many games as he works on Saturdays. I'd been talking this game up to him following the Shrewsbury game but what a real and terrible disappointment......
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I'll start by saying I still have faith that this can be a cracking season under PDC and this type of performance can happen but this is 2 now in the space of a month!
I feared the worst when I saw the team sheet. Like others who have posted I'm completely bewildered by the following:-
I can understand team changes following defeat or for tactical reasons or injuries but why:-
* Drop Ward after a solid game at Shrewsbury? Troy AH was our worst player last night - his distribution was awful and it ended up affecting his and everyone else's confidence. PDC should have put him out of his misery at half-time.
* Drop Ferry after very good performance - whenever he is not playing the whole team suffers and we end up playing long-ball. Devera and Miller are good at what they do but both lack the passing and creative abilities of Ferry. Devera was particularly poor last night! That's also why I don't blame the strikers for last night - they had nothing to work with!
If PDC insists on messing about with the midfield at least give Bostock a chance!
In summary - PDC could do worse than to occasionally adhere to the old adage:- Don't change a winning team!!!
As I said I still have faith and if the team that beat Stoke and Bournmouth turn up against Villa we have a good chance but if the one turns up that played Leyton Orient and Colchester we risk humiliation!
Onwards and Upwards
COYRs
old town robin
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11:25am Wed 3 Oct 12
Apologies I made an error in earlier post, we actually have won 3 and lost 2 at home in the league.
Crawley was great football and very good result as was the win against Bournmouth was also an excellent game and result, the win against the franchise we did OK and got lucky when their centre back was sent off, but an excellent result against probably the best team we have met at home in the league this season.
The performances against Orient and Colchester were unacceptable and I have come to the conclusion regardless of what formation we play, we are not physically strong enough and are too light weight to combat big burley teams. Not sure why we need to have 4 at the back to mark 1 man who resembled Akinwah but fortunately didn't have his knack to score goals. we lose it in midfield with nobody in the team you could say is a ball winner and we get bullied up front by very big centre backs when the ball is persistently airbourne and we don't get enough crosses or shots on gola to trouble them.
Just a thought but it would not surprise me in the least to see Paolo change his mind and bring in another loanee or two that can add a bit of toughness in the tackle and/or height, not sure where we find such a beast, but it can't be just a coincidence that we can play good football against good teams and can't manage to do it against physical teams whose preferred game plan is hoof ball.
Crawley was great football and very good result as was the win against Bournmouth was also an excellent game and result, the win against the franchise we did OK and got lucky when their centre back was sent off, but an excellent result against probably the best team we have met at home in the league this season.
The performances against Orient and Colchester were unacceptable and I have come to the conclusion regardless of what formation we play, we are not physically strong enough and are too light weight to combat big burley teams. Not sure why we need to have 4 at the back to mark 1 man who resembled Akinwah but fortunately didn't have his knack to score goals. we lose it in midfield with nobody in the team you could say is a ball winner and we get bullied up front by very big centre backs when the ball is persistently airbourne and we don't get enough crosses or shots on gola to trouble them.
Just a thought but it would not surprise me in the least to see Paolo change his mind and bring in another loanee or two that can add a bit of toughness in the tackle and/or height, not sure where we find such a beast, but it can't be just a coincidence that we can play good football against good teams and can't manage to do it against physical teams whose preferred game plan is hoof ball.
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11:51am Wed 3 Oct 12
People calling for a settled team are going to be unhappy on Saturday! I wouldn't be surprised to see 9 or 10 changes to the side!!
Fully back Paolo, his tinkering get us the League 2 title and to the JPT final last season, its seen us rise to near the top of league 1 so far this season and its seen us have victories over Stoke, Wigan, Huddersfield, Brighton, Bristol City, and Burnley. The majority of results speak for themselves! That's our 1st loss in 6 games!! Not like we have lost 6 in a row and something needs to be done!
In Paolo we trust, and im sure the players will have learnt a lot from this game!
Onwards and upwards.
Fully back Paolo, his tinkering get us the League 2 title and to the JPT final last season, its seen us rise to near the top of league 1 so far this season and its seen us have victories over Stoke, Wigan, Huddersfield, Brighton, Bristol City, and Burnley. The majority of results speak for themselves! That's our 1st loss in 6 games!! Not like we have lost 6 in a row and something needs to be done!
In Paolo we trust, and im sure the players will have learnt a lot from this game!
Onwards and upwards.
RAYSPARROW
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12:08pm Wed 3 Oct 12
What got me were basic mistakes. Miskicks, making passes that were not on. etc.
Northern Red
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12:12pm Wed 3 Oct 12
Next game at Bury
Bury was waterlogged on Tuesday; it has been very set up here.
Check before travelling on saturday, more rain due in next 2 days...
Bury was waterlogged on Tuesday; it has been very set up here.
Check before travelling on saturday, more rain due in next 2 days...
Is that you Lovesey
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12:15pm Wed 3 Oct 12
Wow Oh my god, Swindon lost a game, end of the season we have such a poor squad, yeah I didn't enjoy watching it, yeah we were very poor but in my oppinion no where near as poor as the relegation year....
But hey we have a good squad with real talent in it, I don't know why they the whole team were so lathargic and didn't try or why we kept hoofing the ball to 6ft plus defenders, but people moaning about the short corners, their defence was massive, whenever we put a ball into the box in the air we had no chance.
I will chalk this one off to a bad night, but I am hoping they dont do it again on Saturday, as it will be a very poor drive home....
But hey we have a good squad with real talent in it, I don't know why they the whole team were so lathargic and didn't try or why we kept hoofing the ball to 6ft plus defenders, but people moaning about the short corners, their defence was massive, whenever we put a ball into the box in the air we had no chance.
I will chalk this one off to a bad night, but I am hoping they dont do it again on Saturday, as it will be a very poor drive home....
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12:23pm Wed 3 Oct 12
One thing is for sure and that became very evident last evening.
If we play against Villa like this, there is no doubt we will not only get thrashed but also humiliated, and upset and angry as I am over our performance I do not want that to happen. Despite all our good performances we are not consistent, and much of that is to do with tactics and adaptation to different formations, but that does not detract from some very poor performances from many players last evening. I expected at least one change at half time, and bringing on Ferry after they had scored was akin the bolting the door after the horse had gone.
If we were not really that bad, that would have been why the crowd were baying for the players to pass and play the ball, not hoofing it, screaming at players not to play short corners as they didn't work, and why large numbers started to leave in the last 15 minutes. Terrible night, I hope we are not subjected to that again, I can stomach being beaten by a good skilled footballing side in a good game, but last night was a far cry from anything even close to that.
If we play against Villa like this, there is no doubt we will not only get thrashed but also humiliated, and upset and angry as I am over our performance I do not want that to happen. Despite all our good performances we are not consistent, and much of that is to do with tactics and adaptation to different formations, but that does not detract from some very poor performances from many players last evening. I expected at least one change at half time, and bringing on Ferry after they had scored was akin the bolting the door after the horse had gone.
If we were not really that bad, that would have been why the crowd were baying for the players to pass and play the ball, not hoofing it, screaming at players not to play short corners as they didn't work, and why large numbers started to leave in the last 15 minutes. Terrible night, I hope we are not subjected to that again, I can stomach being beaten by a good skilled footballing side in a good game, but last night was a far cry from anything even close to that.
MITTED
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12:43pm Wed 3 Oct 12
Can we have a sense of perspective please folks? Last night was poor from first to last. Colchester deserved to win because we had the most off night at home since Paulo came in. Colchester ain't good nor pretty, fact, but they did a job with the limited talent at their disposal and it was up to us to find a way and we failed because every single player had a bad day at the office - even half of them playing at 50% would have been enough to roll ColU over. But it is just one game and to call into question Paulo's general approach is wrong because he is responsible for the massive leaps and bounds over the past 16 months. Of course there will be blips and they will seem earth shattering because of raised expectations. But I can't wait for Saturday and the chance to climb back on Paulo's rollercoaster ride and get back on track.
COYR.
COYR.
Oi Den!
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12:44pm Wed 3 Oct 12
Is that you Lovesey wrote:You have pointed out that very strange contradiction in last night's game. We seemed to think it was a good idea to lump it forward for their big defenders to gobble up, but we didn't think it was right to put it into the box from corners.
Wow Oh my god, Swindon lost a game, end of the season we have such a poor squad, yeah I didn't enjoy watching it, yeah we were very poor but in my oppinion no where near as poor as the relegation year....
But hey we have a good squad with real talent in it, I don't know why they the whole team were so lathargic and didn't try or why we kept hoofing the ball to 6ft plus defenders, but people moaning about the short corners, their defence was massive, whenever we put a ball into the box in the air we had no chance.
I will chalk this one off to a bad night, but I am hoping they dont do it again on Saturday, as it will be a very poor drive home....
There may sometimes have been good reason for the outfield players to hoof it forward but what about the goalkeeper? I am struggling to recall one occasion where he started a move with constructive distribution, rather than hoof it straight upfield. I hope we don't hear any more snooty criticism of "long ball" teams this season after that showing.
the wizard
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12:51pm Wed 3 Oct 12
MITTED,
I usually read your posts and agree, but last evening wasn't a one off. We have been bad against Preston, Orient and hardly impressive against Shrews and according to many were very lucky to score, and then last evening. That makes four games with similar performances. I agree we have been quite outstanding against Burnley and Stoke. I do not count the early in the season game against Brighton as I suspect they didn't really want it, They have set out their stall very plainly for promotion from a very difficult league to get out of.
Why were changes not made at half time, to shake things up, and at least break up their mid field which was bossing the game, surely we are not that tactically nieve.
I usually read your posts and agree, but last evening wasn't a one off. We have been bad against Preston, Orient and hardly impressive against Shrews and according to many were very lucky to score, and then last evening. That makes four games with similar performances. I agree we have been quite outstanding against Burnley and Stoke. I do not count the early in the season game against Brighton as I suspect they didn't really want it, They have set out their stall very plainly for promotion from a very difficult league to get out of.
Why were changes not made at half time, to shake things up, and at least break up their mid field which was bossing the game, surely we are not that tactically nieve.
Brainy_G93
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12:59pm Wed 3 Oct 12
Any truth in the rumour Flint is off to Chesterfield on loan until January? Then transfer listed?
Wilesy
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1:05pm Wed 3 Oct 12
the wizard wrote:No doubting we were poor last night, and there are some questions on player selection like Ferry, Flint, Bessone, Bostock etc but every team that plays football drops points and plays poorly from time to time.
LR, Ok but, we were rubbish against Orient, as we were against Colchester and Preston, we faired little better against Shrews and were more than lucky to win, so that is at least four games recently we have been below what most of regulars expect from this team under this management, and that is leaving OU out of the debate. Its OK for some of you to judge from afar, however, reasons various a lot of us are going to more games and get a far better picture of what is actually going on, on the pitch. I was commenting on last nights game and not the season as a whole before you dragged out your abacus and started toting stats around. Perhaps a stat relating to the satisfaction of those leaving CG last night is more to the point. I would say a VERY large percentage would be more in my camp than yours. You can wear your rose tinted for as long as you like, however at some point you should remove the blinkers.
Suggest people let the dust settle and calm down a bit.
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1:05pm Wed 3 Oct 12
NORTH STAND wrote:Good post -mostly I agree while we're nowhere near a crisis of Oxford/Bournemouth proportions we are as Paolo says average, but there are a few on here suffering from delusions of grandeur who think we have a divine right to cakewalk every league we play in. Yes we won't win every game we'll lose a few but it's the manner and the way we've lost games this season that tend to stick in the craw I think- no fight at Oxford -Orient -Preston & last night, and Shrewsbury wasn't great-was it? but we got the break and then we're not even talking Tranmere & Blades.
The range of emotions on here continues to fascinate....once again we have gone from world beating certainties for the title (we're not) to complete and utter dross (we're not) in the space of four days... THIS IS FOOTBALL and perhaps just occasionally the performance of the opposition or simply the run of the ball has an impact on our God given right to three points? The continual lambasting of individuals (generally based on one or two appearances) tends to come from the same posters who think PDC's team changes leads to their lack of confidence... and those who think Ferry was any better than Miller or Navarro last night have simply been listening to too much Alan 'chip on both shoulders' McLoughlin..... This squad is unrecognisable from the true dross of two seasons ago and the club is making huge steps forward... yet every time we drop a point out come the knee jerkers with their own spite ridden agendas ....
We are a world away from the depths of despair but I can understand why folks are concerned (for example how many more opportunities does Collins get -have we seen any evidence to suggest TAH is any better than Flint - If Navarro Ferry & Miller aren't the midfield answer who is?)but as you say that has to be tempered with a dose of reality.
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1:05pm Wed 3 Oct 12
London Red wrote:Nice one LR ....Perspective.
So how come we beat Shrewsbury, Burnley, Bournemouth and Portsmouth despite chopping and changing? . In fact how have we won just under 60% of our games with it? Or got a positive result in just over 70%? . It's also not new it was here last year and we won the title, got to one cup final and caused upsets in 2 others! . You can't have it both ways and only moan about rotation once every 5 games when a defeat occurs . Especially if it is players who are not being rotated which are below "par" . Games like this happen - in fact they happen a lot in our history - thus the mentality point by PdC
Wilesy
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1:07pm Wed 3 Oct 12
TownFan81 wrote:Great post
Always baffles me how one bad game (and yes, it was pretty dire) and all of a sudden we're a poor side ! End of the day, it was a blip, in what will be a very good season yet again. Think back to the past 12/13 years, we used to watch 25 performances like that a season, now it's 2 or 3 at most. Yes all 14 had poor games, or games where they weren't at their best, a good side can carry one or two, but when it's all 14 the inevitable usually happens. I don't want to pick out names that won't do any good, but some weren't as poor as others. As for PDC, for me he's been a revelation at STFC, and learnt A LOT along the way, however one thing he still has to learn in my opinion is how to break down a side like Colchester. They came and played for a point, if not for a smash and grab set piece they'd have left witht that point. We need to learn how to break down a side who will come and play 4-5-1, and 'park the bus' who are mostly over 6ft 2" and big and strong........the only way I see for that to happen is a change of formation, and playing the ball on the deck. I know PDC loves a 4-4-2, and why not it's got us this far, but as we come up against better sides, we need other options. I'd have taken Bessone off, bought on Bostock and matched their 3 in the middle, but then he's the gaffer and I'm just a fan......what do I know ?! Onwards and upwards, bring on Bury Saturday, if their pitch is playable by then !
Malkym
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1:07pm Wed 3 Oct 12
Brainy_G93 wrote:Blo0dy well hope not!
Any truth in the rumour Flint is off to Chesterfield on loan until January? Then transfer listed?
MITTED
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1:19pm Wed 3 Oct 12
On a separate note, just seen that Groves has been sacked at Bournemouth. I wonder if their chairman will try and lure Paulo....... Only joking!!!
COYR
COYR
macca.y
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1:40pm Wed 3 Oct 12
MY CONCERN IS, OUR NEXT 3-4 GAMES ARE AGAINST TEAMS IN THE LOWER HALF THE LEAGUE, IM JUST NOT CONFIDENT WE WILL PICK UP ANY POINTS FROM THEM.
WE WILL BEAT BIG TEAMS FROM A HIGHER LEAGUE, BUT ANYBODY CLOSE TO THE BOTTOM OR EVEN THE LEAGUE BELOW, THAN WE HAVE NO CHANCE, FOR WHAT EVER REASON.
DOES PDC NOW HIS BEST 11 AND HIS BEST FORMATION.?
WE WILL BEAT BIG TEAMS FROM A HIGHER LEAGUE, BUT ANYBODY CLOSE TO THE BOTTOM OR EVEN THE LEAGUE BELOW, THAN WE HAVE NO CHANCE, FOR WHAT EVER REASON.
DOES PDC NOW HIS BEST 11 AND HIS BEST FORMATION.?
London Red
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1:47pm Wed 3 Oct 12
OTR - I'll respond to your point as you clearly said you are not on a rampage just wanted to point a few thing out - fine with that (I'm now simply ignoring attacks on me when others say the same thing but are "ignored")
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My point over the win ratio etc as I have already said was purley to try and bring in some persepctive to the debate - we have only seen 4 defeats at home in over 30 games!
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It now seems too many have become bad losers - due to the lack of defeats
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Yes Orient was bad (I saw that one) and last night sounded worse - but that doesn't mean we should tear up the whole thing and start again when overall the current method has been delivering more than not
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I know you corrected yourself but this year our home record is currently P6 W4 L2 - doesn't look that bad - granted not excellent - but hardly anywhere near crisis point
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The fortress was never going to simply just continue and anyone who thought we would go unbeaten for the whole campaign seriously needs a rethink
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We have gone up a league and when teams park the bus they can get a smash and grab - happens all over the shot - especially higher up where there is more quality - Chelesa won the Champions league doing it!
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As for 451 we can't beat it - we totally dominated MK for the first half when they did played it - granted going to 10 duisrupted us but they still never threatened after that - so we can combat it
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As hinted at before look who it was against and the mentaility issue sneaks back in
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This has always effected us in the past - beat Leeds away and then throw it away against Walsall and Exeter at home!
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Hopefully PdC will be working hard on stamping it out
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Lets hope PdC has learnt and going forward we do see a plan B for these types of games - bar Preston our away record is significantly better this year due to slight changes
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It hopefully means just a few tweaks at home are needed to get back on course
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My point over the win ratio etc as I have already said was purley to try and bring in some persepctive to the debate - we have only seen 4 defeats at home in over 30 games!
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It now seems too many have become bad losers - due to the lack of defeats
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Yes Orient was bad (I saw that one) and last night sounded worse - but that doesn't mean we should tear up the whole thing and start again when overall the current method has been delivering more than not
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I know you corrected yourself but this year our home record is currently P6 W4 L2 - doesn't look that bad - granted not excellent - but hardly anywhere near crisis point
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The fortress was never going to simply just continue and anyone who thought we would go unbeaten for the whole campaign seriously needs a rethink
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We have gone up a league and when teams park the bus they can get a smash and grab - happens all over the shot - especially higher up where there is more quality - Chelesa won the Champions league doing it!
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As for 451 we can't beat it - we totally dominated MK for the first half when they did played it - granted going to 10 duisrupted us but they still never threatened after that - so we can combat it
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As hinted at before look who it was against and the mentaility issue sneaks back in
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This has always effected us in the past - beat Leeds away and then throw it away against Walsall and Exeter at home!
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Hopefully PdC will be working hard on stamping it out
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Lets hope PdC has learnt and going forward we do see a plan B for these types of games - bar Preston our away record is significantly better this year due to slight changes
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It hopefully means just a few tweaks at home are needed to get back on course
Is that you Lovesey
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1:51pm Wed 3 Oct 12
Oi Den! wrote:Den, I just couldn't understand why we were playing long and had abandoned all football, this gave us no chance, some of that should be credited to Colchester because they pressed every 50-50 ball and ran after every player in possesion of the ball. But last night average was Paolo being kind....
Is that you Lovesey wrote: Wow Oh my god, Swindon lost a game, end of the season we have such a poor squad, yeah I didn't enjoy watching it, yeah we were very poor but in my oppinion no where near as poor as the relegation year.... But hey we have a good squad with real talent in it, I don't know why they the whole team were so lathargic and didn't try or why we kept hoofing the ball to 6ft plus defenders, but people moaning about the short corners, their defence was massive, whenever we put a ball into the box in the air we had no chance. I will chalk this one off to a bad night, but I am hoping they dont do it again on Saturday, as it will be a very poor drive home....You have pointed out that very strange contradiction in last night's game. We seemed to think it was a good idea to lump it forward for their big defenders to gobble up, but we didn't think it was right to put it into the box from corners. There may sometimes have been good reason for the outfield players to hoof it forward but what about the goalkeeper? I am struggling to recall one occasion where he started a move with constructive distribution, rather than hoof it straight upfield. I hope we don't hear any more snooty criticism of "long ball" teams this season after that showing.
London Red
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1:54pm Wed 3 Oct 12
Sorry - its 7 homes games and 5 wins
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Makes look even less poor!
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I'd take 16 homes wins this season
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Makes look even less poor!
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I'd take 16 homes wins this season
Steve. Brentford
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2:00pm Wed 3 Oct 12
Roger_Smart wrote:Yes Perspective! I recall a game when LR attended and we played just as poorly as we did last night,he certainly didn't put things in to perspective that time, like myself last night he was very p1ssed off, however i hope it`s only a blip,i said to Jayden last night that we got what we deserved, couldn't see a motm in red no matter how bias i am and to be honest apart from good company a thoroughly forgetful night,apart from the man with the really squeaky voice who`s shouts of come on swindon had me and all around laughing (forgive me god) every time.Drive home was as poor as the game, i agree it was one of the most lacklustre games Ive seen for a long long time but hopefully we wont have to witness another for even longer, we move on.
London Red wrote:Nice one LR ....Perspective.
So how come we beat Shrewsbury, Burnley, Bournemouth and Portsmouth despite chopping and changing? . In fact how have we won just under 60% of our games with it? Or got a positive result in just over 70%? . It's also not new it was here last year and we won the title, got to one cup final and caused upsets in 2 others! . You can't have it both ways and only moan about rotation once every 5 games when a defeat occurs . Especially if it is players who are not being rotated which are below "par" . Games like this happen - in fact they happen a lot in our history - thus the mentality point by PdC
andy5364
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2:15pm Wed 3 Oct 12
the wizard wrote:total over reaction as normal , but what ive come to expect
Canioman says,
'Defeat proved we are average'
Not true, correction needed,
We were second best by far, in every department, and if this is what being successful in Cups brings with it then put it away in a dark place. The League must come first.
How in heavens name Ferry doesn't get to start is beyond me. Our midfield was not existent all game. Navaro and Miller are NOT the answer, and were exposed last night. Hoofball, hoofball, hoofball, and that is the sign that we have become desperate. Short corners, RUBBISH, we needed the ball in the box and this was disgusting !!!! We had no tactics to get around the ORGANISED opponents. Sorry but last night Canioman, you were Paolo de Crappio, no answers to address the problems in your own proclaimed fortress. You picked the team that was least able to deal with our visitors. What has John Bostock got to do to get a game, you wanted him, chased him, signed him and then benched him. If ever a game was screaming for someone to run at the opposition it was last night. What a total waste of time money and effort for the supporters to turn up and watch this dross, play Villa ?? you are having a laugh. For those that didn't make it, you were better off at home. This was the worse game I have seen in a very long time at CG, and we gave them far too much respect.
Sorry for the rant, but we all kn ow we can do better. Time for the management to look inwards and ask some serious questions.
smirg kcab
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2:16pm Wed 3 Oct 12
Just a message to many swindle fans. Funny how the town end gave Austin on here all the shiit about so called affairs with players wives and then sings to rosé Austin shaggged your mrs. Disgrace to you all you shower of deluded 'twaats.
Another quality hat trick for the legend.
Onwards and upwards
Another quality hat trick for the legend.
Onwards and upwards
andy5364
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2:18pm Wed 3 Oct 12
London Red wrote:This time LR i agree with all your posts . Some people expect us to win all our games and never to have an off day .. Even the best teams in the world have off days . Its called football !! Keep the faith we will win the league COYR
Wiz simple answer I'm not going to bother getting in an arguement with you
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If you think PdC's 60%+ wins in his career have only come against 442 teams you are sadly very mistaken
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Bad games happen - we are not Barcelona - well in fact they lose games too!
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We have won 8 of 14 - get a grip!!!!!!
SAPFanSTFC
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2:20pm Wed 3 Oct 12
I couldn't make last night but witnessed the painfully bad L.Orient game.
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It seems that we cannot open up the 4-5-1 teams parking the bus...personally I think you need Ferry in there for teams like that but it doesn't explain all of the other dire performances from players who have played well in recent weeks.
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Did we run out of ideas last night or just not cope with them pressing all over the pitch?....we couldn't cope with L.Orient closing us down everywhere so if this is the common ground we'll have a huge issue as teams cotton on.
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What happened from the Town End regarding Rose?
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It seems that we cannot open up the 4-5-1 teams parking the bus...personally I think you need Ferry in there for teams like that but it doesn't explain all of the other dire performances from players who have played well in recent weeks.
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Did we run out of ideas last night or just not cope with them pressing all over the pitch?....we couldn't cope with L.Orient closing us down everywhere so if this is the common ground we'll have a huge issue as teams cotton on.
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What happened from the Town End regarding Rose?
the wizard
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2:21pm Wed 3 Oct 12
Steve. Brentford wrote:Steve,
Roger_Smart wrote:Yes Perspective! I recall a game when LR attended and we played just as poorly as we did last night,he certainly didn't put things in to perspective that time, like myself last night he was very p1ssed off, however i hope it`s only a blip,i said to Jayden last night that we got what we deserved, couldn't see a motm in red no matter how bias i am and to be honest apart from good company a thoroughly forgetful night,apart from the man with the really squeaky voice who`s shouts of come on swindon had me and all around laughing (forgive me god) every time.Drive home was as poor as the game, i agree it was one of the most lacklustre games Ive seen for a long long time but hopefully we wont have to witness another for even longer, we move on.
London Red wrote:Nice one LR ....Perspective.
So how come we beat Shrewsbury, Burnley, Bournemouth and Portsmouth despite chopping and changing? . In fact how have we won just under 60% of our games with it? Or got a positive result in just over 70%? . It's also not new it was here last year and we won the title, got to one cup final and caused upsets in 2 others! . You can't have it both ways and only moan about rotation once every 5 games when a defeat occurs . Especially if it is players who are not being rotated which are below "par" . Games like this happen - in fact they happen a lot in our history - thus the mentality point by PdC
Good post but have we ever played as bad as last night before ?
Like you I had a long drive home probably feeling much the same way too !
However, to see others ignoring what has happened on several other occasions this season I see as shear folly. We are good bordering on brilliant in some games, but banana skins seem to crop up a plenty. I'll bet Colchester went home happy, which is a sight more than most of us. I hope we don't play against Villa like we did last night.
M.Dobbo
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2:34pm Wed 3 Oct 12
OH dear, DiCanio the TINKERMAN, will he ever learn. Tinkering with the team creates a lack of unity within the team,
creates a llack of confidence and feeds fear, especially when playing at home.
After my last game(Leyton Orient) I promised myself not to venture near the CG until results improved. So last night was,I thought, the right time to return.
How wrong can a chap get, this was an exhibition of total rubbish and it was all down to this wonderful Itialian manager that many fans are crazy about. Di Canio is still learning and if he thinks he can swop players around willy-nilly he's got a long way to go.
IMHO,
Besonne--- get rid.
Bostock ---- why is he bench warming ?
Miller --- needs a spell on the bench.
Benson--- not good enough for Div 1
Troy ---- just a bench warmer.
Stand by for more of the same on Saturday ugh !
creates a llack of confidence and feeds fear, especially when playing at home.
After my last game(Leyton Orient) I promised myself not to venture near the CG until results improved. So last night was,I thought, the right time to return.
How wrong can a chap get, this was an exhibition of total rubbish and it was all down to this wonderful Itialian manager that many fans are crazy about. Di Canio is still learning and if he thinks he can swop players around willy-nilly he's got a long way to go.
IMHO,
Besonne--- get rid.
Bostock ---- why is he bench warming ?
Miller --- needs a spell on the bench.
Benson--- not good enough for Div 1
Troy ---- just a bench warmer.
Stand by for more of the same on Saturday ugh !
Steve. Brentford
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2:43pm Wed 3 Oct 12
smirg kcab wrote:Hi big man tell me why don't you tell the "swindle fans" from the Townend what you think of them instead of giving it the big one on here where a large majority don't sit in the Townend,i reckon you were joining in the singing last night,come on big man admit it,have you moved from where you used to sit in the Townend? i know exactly where that used to be but Ive not spotted you there this season???
Just a message to many swindle fans. Funny how the town end gave Austin on here all the shiit about so called affairs with players wives and then sings to rosé Austin shaggged your mrs. Disgrace to you all you shower of deluded 'twaats.
Another quality hat trick for the legend.
Onwards and upwards
London Red
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3:20pm Wed 3 Oct 12
Steve are you refering to Orient away under Wilson?
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If so that was simply the final straw and certainly not a blip!
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It was when relegation finally hit me unless change was made pronto - but lets not open that up again as done to death!
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However - that point in time is totally different to the current situation
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I have no issues with slating the team over a shocking performance - its just the sensationsation that happens around the blips which annoy me and quite a few others
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Orient apparently was due to the new boys - yet only one started and 9 played against MK the home game before
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Last night was due to rotation - yet we have rotated for what 70 odd games before - including the 4 straight wins and 5 unbeaten prior to last night
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Or its we can only beat teams playing 442 - as a few hand picked games demonstrate - ignoring the other few hand picked games which show the opposite (i.e. MK Dons who too played 451)
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Football is about ups and downs and fortunatelty we now have fewer downs
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Yes its not great when they still happen - but I think the lads will know it was not good and pay the price in training before Sat - where I fully expect a response like we saw post Orient!!!!
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Then we can return to this type of thread in another 6 or so games time and have another ground hog day!
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If so that was simply the final straw and certainly not a blip!
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It was when relegation finally hit me unless change was made pronto - but lets not open that up again as done to death!
.
However - that point in time is totally different to the current situation
.
I have no issues with slating the team over a shocking performance - its just the sensationsation that happens around the blips which annoy me and quite a few others
.
Orient apparently was due to the new boys - yet only one started and 9 played against MK the home game before
.
Last night was due to rotation - yet we have rotated for what 70 odd games before - including the 4 straight wins and 5 unbeaten prior to last night
.
Or its we can only beat teams playing 442 - as a few hand picked games demonstrate - ignoring the other few hand picked games which show the opposite (i.e. MK Dons who too played 451)
.
Football is about ups and downs and fortunatelty we now have fewer downs
.
Yes its not great when they still happen - but I think the lads will know it was not good and pay the price in training before Sat - where I fully expect a response like we saw post Orient!!!!
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Then we can return to this type of thread in another 6 or so games time and have another ground hog day!
dreamofacleansheet2
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3:34pm Wed 3 Oct 12
SAPF it wasn't a question of running out of ideas we never had any!
I think Paolo will sort it. I also think that most of those playing were his first 11, but may not be now. I was surprised he didn't haul someone off in the first half. Mind you he'd have probably got slaughtered on here if he had. Would have sent the message to the troops loud and clear. Anyway damned if he does damned if he doesn't.
The thing that has concerned me a bit is Wes smashing it aimlessly down field all the time. I'd like to see Troy and Macca get back and pick it up and build from the back. Mind you if they had last night they'd have found no Town players available and so would have had to hoof it long anyway.
I think Paolo will sort it. I also think that most of those playing were his first 11, but may not be now. I was surprised he didn't haul someone off in the first half. Mind you he'd have probably got slaughtered on here if he had. Would have sent the message to the troops loud and clear. Anyway damned if he does damned if he doesn't.
The thing that has concerned me a bit is Wes smashing it aimlessly down field all the time. I'd like to see Troy and Macca get back and pick it up and build from the back. Mind you if they had last night they'd have found no Town players available and so would have had to hoof it long anyway.
dreamofacleansheet2
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4:05pm Wed 3 Oct 12
Just tweeted by the club
"#STFC does not condone the personal abuse of players, officials or fans via social media or any form following comments made last night"
Any idiots on here responsible?!
"#STFC does not condone the personal abuse of players, officials or fans via social media or any form following comments made last night"
Any idiots on here responsible?!
the don69
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4:38pm Wed 3 Oct 12
smirg kcab wrote:Another 3 for Charlie!he's a bloody goal machine!mind you he must have been p1ssed off to score a hat-trick and still not been on the winning team!me thinks he'll be off to the premiership in the not to distant future and good luck to him!!!!!!!!
Just a message to many swindle fans. Funny how the town end gave Austin on here all the shiit about so called affairs with players wives and then sings to rosé Austin shaggged your mrs. Disgrace to you all you shower of deluded 'twaats.
Another quality hat trick for the legend.
Onwards and upwards
London Red
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5:19pm Wed 3 Oct 12
Lets hope he is and for similar money to Rodriquez - as that would do our bank balance the world of good (£1m)
Swindon1984
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5:31pm Wed 3 Oct 12
M.Dobbo wrote:Not going near the county ground until results improve? Results mind, not performances. I can understand being annoyed by bad performances but to basically say you're only going to go to games you think we're going to win doesn't sound right to me.
OH dear, DiCanio the TINKERMAN, will he ever learn. Tinkering with the team creates a lack of unity within the team, creates a llack of confidence and feeds fear, especially when playing at home. After my last game(Leyton Orient) I promised myself not to venture near the CG until results improved. So last night was,I thought, the right time to return. How wrong can a chap get, this was an exhibition of total rubbish and it was all down to this wonderful Itialian manager that many fans are crazy about. Di Canio is still learning and if he thinks he can swop players around willy-nilly he's got a long way to go. IMHO, Besonne--- get rid. Bostock ---- why is he bench warming ? Miller --- needs a spell on the bench. Benson--- not good enough for Div 1 Troy ---- just a bench warmer. Stand by for more of the same on Saturday ugh !
Benson, not good enough for Division 1? Have a day off, he's done well for us thus far this season. No-one can doubt his commitment and he scores goals.
Not wanting to have a go but if I worked by your logic of only go when the going's good, I wouldn't have seen a game at the county ground for most of my teenage years and well into my mid twenties! Aside from promotion under McMahon and the play off season with Wilson, this is the best time we've had in the past fifteen odd years - better I would argue considering how far we'd fallen. Get a grip!
Stratton Red
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6:10pm Wed 3 Oct 12
Not read many of the posts so apologies if this is repetitive in any way.
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Very lacklustre perfromance, but you're always going to get nights like this, let's just be thankfull they are few and far between these days!
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The Paolo achillies heel strikes again. When teams come and play we can take them apart when they play 4-5-1 or 5-4-1 we struggle. We got away with it last year, but as the quality is higher in L1 we need more of a cutting edge, at the very least we need to be on top of our game.
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Said after the Oxford game that PDC seems to have no plan B when it comes to parking the bus tactics.I'm surprised he doesn't go 3-5-2 or 3-4-3 when they've only one up top and try to stretch them.
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No good **** about the long ball when there's no outlet other than the left or right back. First time this season I thought we really missed Caddis. Would be good if they could kiss and make-up...
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Very lacklustre perfromance, but you're always going to get nights like this, let's just be thankfull they are few and far between these days!
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The Paolo achillies heel strikes again. When teams come and play we can take them apart when they play 4-5-1 or 5-4-1 we struggle. We got away with it last year, but as the quality is higher in L1 we need more of a cutting edge, at the very least we need to be on top of our game.
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Said after the Oxford game that PDC seems to have no plan B when it comes to parking the bus tactics.I'm surprised he doesn't go 3-5-2 or 3-4-3 when they've only one up top and try to stretch them.
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No good **** about the long ball when there's no outlet other than the left or right back. First time this season I thought we really missed Caddis. Would be good if they could kiss and make-up...
bhred
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6:21pm Wed 3 Oct 12
First time I've posted for a while but always enjoy the post match debate on this website
Loved your first post earlier today Wiz Completely in agreement regards our centre midfiled. For me Navarro adds nothing at all. Lucky if he does the basics well and no chance of anything creative from him or that requires him to work to find any space. Marginally behind Oliver Risser in the midfield pecking order IMHO. Miller can do better but once again last night for me, did very little and seems to go awol when things get tough. A complete mystery why Ferry isn't first on the teamsheet and surely Bostock must deserve a chance!!
I must say I was personally very disappointed with the abuse aimed at Rose last night. I'd like to think that as a club we are above hurling those sort of personal insults and prefer the clever banter usually instigated by the townend
Here's to a better result on Saturday!!
Loved your first post earlier today Wiz Completely in agreement regards our centre midfiled. For me Navarro adds nothing at all. Lucky if he does the basics well and no chance of anything creative from him or that requires him to work to find any space. Marginally behind Oliver Risser in the midfield pecking order IMHO. Miller can do better but once again last night for me, did very little and seems to go awol when things get tough. A complete mystery why Ferry isn't first on the teamsheet and surely Bostock must deserve a chance!!
I must say I was personally very disappointed with the abuse aimed at Rose last night. I'd like to think that as a club we are above hurling those sort of personal insults and prefer the clever banter usually instigated by the townend
Here's to a better result on Saturday!!
jayden
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6:36pm Wed 3 Oct 12
Steve. Brentford wrote:Hi steve [come on swindon ) yes less said about the game,im just glad you werent the camp bloke i nearly mistook you for,mind you he would have showed me a good game(oh matron)NEXT TIME THE TOWN END THOUGH.Cheers steve (bloody nice bloke)
smirg kcab wrote:Hi big man tell me why don't you tell the "swindle fans" from the Townend what you think of them instead of giving it the big one on here where a large majority don't sit in the Townend,i reckon you were joining in the singing last night,come on big man admit it,have you moved from where you used to sit in the Townend? i know exactly where that used to be but Ive not spotted you there this season???
Just a message to many swindle fans. Funny how the town end gave Austin on here all the shiit about so called affairs with players wives and then sings to rosé Austin shaggged your mrs. Disgrace to you all you shower of deluded 'twaats.
Another quality hat trick for the legend.
Onwards and upwards
London Red
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6:39pm Wed 3 Oct 12
Den - think you need to actually listen to the interview rather than relying on the adver's version of it!
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PdC is far from very critical of the players and in fact is more in line with what myself, North Stand and a few others have been saying today
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His ACTUAL quote is "it is fortunate that it is NOT very often I have to say to you I needed to change 7 or 8"
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He then repeats the not very often part later to emphasise it is not the norm!
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PdC is far from very critical of the players and in fact is more in line with what myself, North Stand and a few others have been saying today
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His ACTUAL quote is "it is fortunate that it is NOT very often I have to say to you I needed to change 7 or 8"
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He then repeats the not very often part later to emphasise it is not the norm!
Steve. Brentford
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6:52pm Wed 3 Oct 12
dreamofacleansheet2 wrote:Anyone,anyone anyone.Thats a no then, apoligies to the idiots then Dreams?
Just tweeted by the club
"#STFC does not condone the personal abuse of players, officials or fans via social media or any form following comments made last night"
Any idiots on here responsible?!
Can all you c***s stand on the left and all you w*****s stand on the right "Oi im no c**T" well get over there then ya w****r.hahahaha i love that. little things eh.
Steve. Brentford
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7:09pm Wed 3 Oct 12
Hello Jayden,(cmon swindon) cheers mate, although don't you think i'm just a little bit camp :O)
Rather than just making statements that can tar all decent town fans with the same brush why doesn't the club do something about it, to wish Cancer on a fellow human being is out of order and the person/s who tweeted this have obviously been lucky enough to have avoided the heartache this terrible disease causes.
Rather than just making statements that can tar all decent town fans with the same brush why doesn't the club do something about it, to wish Cancer on a fellow human being is out of order and the person/s who tweeted this have obviously been lucky enough to have avoided the heartache this terrible disease causes.
Steve. Brentford
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7:27pm Wed 3 Oct 12
London Red wrote:Yes James it was the Orient game that you mentioned i don't disagree with you in the slightest in your posts above and thank you for a reasoned reply,my point although somewhat hidden is folk who witnessed the game first hand,travelled,paid cash and time were always going to have a whine and a moan,i say let them,they will all be back next week screaming (cmon swindon) their heads off,don't take it to heart so much,if we win our next game we will be winning the league again going away :O)
Steve are you refering to Orient away under Wilson?
.
If so that was simply the final straw and certainly not a blip!
.
It was when relegation finally hit me unless change was made pronto - but lets not open that up again as done to death!
.
However - that point in time is totally different to the current situation
.
I have no issues with slating the team over a shocking performance - its just the sensationsation that happens around the blips which annoy me and quite a few others
.
Orient apparently was due to the new boys - yet only one started and 9 played against MK the home game before
.
Last night was due to rotation - yet we have rotated for what 70 odd games before - including the 4 straight wins and 5 unbeaten prior to last night
.
Or its we can only beat teams playing 442 - as a few hand picked games demonstrate - ignoring the other few hand picked games which show the opposite (i.e. MK Dons who too played 451)
.
Football is about ups and downs and fortunatelty we now have fewer downs
.
Yes its not great when they still happen - but I think the lads will know it was not good and pay the price in training before Sat - where I fully expect a response like we saw post Orient!!!!
.
Then we can return to this type of thread in another 6 or so games time and have another ground hog day!
Oi Den!
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7:41pm Wed 3 Oct 12
London Red wrote:Maybe you're right LR, but let's cut to the chase. If the Adver has misquoted him, it's unfortunate, if perhaps understandable. The point is that he is unhappy with the team for the umpteenth time this season. We've all heard the earlier interviews. And he most definitely DID say there was "no passion", "no desire", "average", "players not looking for the ball" (or very similar words).
Den - think you need to actually listen to the interview rather than relying on the adver's version of it!
.
PdC is far from very critical of the players and in fact is more in line with what myself, North Stand and a few others have been saying today
.
His ACTUAL quote is "it is fortunate that it is NOT very often I have to say to you I needed to change 7 or 8"
.
He then repeats the not very often part later to emphasise it is not the norm!
.
The point I am making is that you and North Stand often come on here complaining about the fans moaning but you never complain about the manager moaning. Why is that?
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The truth is that the club means more to the fans than it does to any manager who happens to be here at any given time. So, if the manager can be critical, why can't the fans?
jayden
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7:52pm Wed 3 Oct 12
Oi Den! wrote:Ah but Den you are also for getting when we lose its also because we get **** refs ,COME ON SWINDON
London Red wrote:Maybe you're right LR, but let's cut to the chase. If the Adver has misquoted him, it's unfortunate, if perhaps understandable. The point is that he is unhappy with the team for the umpteenth time this season. We've all heard the earlier interviews. And he most definitely DID say there was "no passion", "no desire", "average", "players not looking for the ball" (or very similar words).
Den - think you need to actually listen to the interview rather than relying on the adver's version of it!
.
PdC is far from very critical of the players and in fact is more in line with what myself, North Stand and a few others have been saying today
.
His ACTUAL quote is "it is fortunate that it is NOT very often I have to say to you I needed to change 7 or 8"
.
He then repeats the not very often part later to emphasise it is not the norm!
.
The point I am making is that you and North Stand often come on here complaining about the fans moaning but you never complain about the manager moaning. Why is that?
.
The truth is that the club means more to the fans than it does to any manager who happens to be here at any given time. So, if the manager can be critical, why can't the fans?
Oi Den!
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8:11pm Wed 3 Oct 12
Ah! Yes, I did forget that jayden! Thought the ref was pretty good last night actually. He got all the bookings right and was wise to the gamesmanship of some of the Colchester players.
Stilloyal
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8:15pm Wed 3 Oct 12
Sad evil morons posting hate messages against Michael Rose. He's a footballer playing his sport and does his job by scoring a goal. I could write evil things about these morons , however I just hope that someday they grow to maturity. IDIOTS !
If we wern't such a shambolic shower of sh1te last night he may not have scored.
This was the worst display from a Town team for many, many years and we deserved to have been hammered.
Only 3 Town players come out with any credit at all and that is, Macca, Jaymac, and Raffa, the rest varied from poor to absolute dire.
Villa must be sHaking in their boots, I got my ticket today and wondered why afterwards.
If we wern't such a shambolic shower of sh1te last night he may not have scored.
This was the worst display from a Town team for many, many years and we deserved to have been hammered.
Only 3 Town players come out with any credit at all and that is, Macca, Jaymac, and Raffa, the rest varied from poor to absolute dire.
Villa must be sHaking in their boots, I got my ticket today and wondered why afterwards.
the wizard
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8:20pm Wed 3 Oct 12
Off subject I know, but,
While last night is still fresh in our minds our loyalty to the club and board etc are still without question, but the memory of those dark days that went before are still fresh in our minds,
Perhaps we could spare a thought tonight for the Preston N.E Supporters whether they beat us or not, as their chairman, Ridsdale has been barred from holding such a position, see link,
http://www.bbc.co.uk
/news/business-19819
177
Again it could be the supporters who suffer if he takes his money out of the club.
While last night is still fresh in our minds our loyalty to the club and board etc are still without question, but the memory of those dark days that went before are still fresh in our minds,
Perhaps we could spare a thought tonight for the Preston N.E Supporters whether they beat us or not, as their chairman, Ridsdale has been barred from holding such a position, see link,
http://www.bbc.co.uk
/news/business-19819
177
Again it could be the supporters who suffer if he takes his money out of the club.
London Red
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8:24pm Wed 3 Oct 12
Den - PdC is extremely calm and is certainly not sensationalised the outcome of last night
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He clearly highlights that it is a blip and not the norm
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You know though as well as I do - that you have to take everything PdC says with a pinch of salt - remeber he is never "happy"
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We win 5-0 and he will complain it should have been 6!
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As I said above I don't have an issue with people looking at one game and saying we were poor - its the over the top reaction blaming A B and C when these have been there during the good times as well as the bad
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He clearly highlights that it is a blip and not the norm
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You know though as well as I do - that you have to take everything PdC says with a pinch of salt - remeber he is never "happy"
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We win 5-0 and he will complain it should have been 6!
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As I said above I don't have an issue with people looking at one game and saying we were poor - its the over the top reaction blaming A B and C when these have been there during the good times as well as the bad
jayden
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8:44pm Wed 3 Oct 12
Oi Den! wrote:Yes Den i agree with you and the lines men(Yes i still call them that) No need for the boos at the end though .You can see why pdc is hard with them we are either Barcerlona orBarnet ,i do agree flint should be in and that game was crying out for Bostock but then would they have changed the result?I swear pdc was looking for a magic wand in his jacket at one point either that or having a fit.
Ah! Yes, I did forget that jayden! Thought the ref was pretty good last night actually. He got all the bookings right and was wise to the gamesmanship of some of the Colchester players.
mikek
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8:46pm Wed 3 Oct 12
Totally agree with Wiz on the match day thread no plan B and Colchester did their homework and 5 in midfield nullified our wingers and their closing down play was excellent and so we had no time on the ball.Obviously the worry will be other teams watching this and the Orient game will try and copy this and then we will be in trouble. One massive appeal to Mr Di Canio is get Aden Flint back in the side wins 95 % of his headers and commands his area unlike TAH last night who was very poor and his distribution was even worse. After seeing TAH and Ward I have no doubt that Flint is by far the best out of the three and McCormack picks himself at the moment although as others say I would like to see Flint paired with Ward or TAH amd beef up the midfield with Macca as last night we were totally over run. Surely though as a manager Paolo must have noted we were getting nowhere and should have bought Bostock on and matched their 5 in the middle to combat their tactics.We could easily have taken off Bessone who was shocking and gone three at the back last 15 mins. Come on Paolo don't start doing a Wilson another guy who had no plan B. Just wonder how many fans guessed Rose was going to score from one of those silly free kicks given around our box. I certainly did and predicted it spot on when he scored. The players will look to Paolo for guidance when things are not going right on the pitch and it seemed even Paolo was unable to help matters last night and took off Benson who at least was winning some headers and after that we hardly had a sniff. The game was crying out for Bostock last night a player who is supposed to offer us a change of direction and the poor guy still never got on. Why go after the player and pursue him for so long then Paolo.
Lazaat
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8:53pm Wed 3 Oct 12
Oi Den! wrote:Very good point Den! I must say I get fed up when mild and deserved criticism of the team results in the same people jumping on us for daring to say such things! And Den you are spot on...we always come back the following week because we love The Town, same as I have been doing now for 46 years, and I will be at Bury on Saturday!
London Red wrote:Maybe you're right LR, but let's cut to the chase. If the Adver has misquoted him, it's unfortunate, if perhaps understandable. The point is that he is unhappy with the team for the umpteenth time this season. We've all heard the earlier interviews. And he most definitely DID say there was "no passion", "no desire", "average", "players not looking for the ball" (or very similar words).
Den - think you need to actually listen to the interview rather than relying on the adver's version of it!
.
PdC is far from very critical of the players and in fact is more in line with what myself, North Stand and a few others have been saying today
.
His ACTUAL quote is "it is fortunate that it is NOT very often I have to say to you I needed to change 7 or 8"
.
He then repeats the not very often part later to emphasise it is not the norm!
.
The point I am making is that you and North Stand often come on here complaining about the fans moaning but you never complain about the manager moaning. Why is that?
.
The truth is that the club means more to the fans than it does to any manager who happens to be here at any given time. So, if the manager can be critical, why can't the fans?
Oi Den!
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8:53pm Wed 3 Oct 12
We could go round in circles for ever on this LR, so I'll make this my last comment on it. I think you exaggerate the feelings of fans who make critical comment. They are not sensationalising anything; they are just giving their views on the game, on the players and on tactics etc. Sometimes the manager and players get plaudits, sometimes they get stick. It's the way it is, the way it's always been and the way it always will be. And (this is not a personal attack on you) I think it is far easier to brush a performance aside as a one-off if you were not there to see it. I thought we learned a few things about our players last night. As someone else suggested, it seems quite possible that PDC will be active in the transfer market again soon.
the wizard
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8:57pm Wed 3 Oct 12
LR,
You said above,
As I said above I don't have an issue with people looking at one game and saying we were poor - its the over the top reaction blaming A B and C when these have been there during the good times as well as the bad
I could agree with that but you are blinkered into referring to it as being a one game blip, but that is not so.
Last night, Orient, Shrews was far from good but we got a lucky goal, and Preston was another that many prefer to forget.
There is no doubting that we can play some superb stuff, but we can also play pure dross and show a profound inability to adapt to null what they are doing to us. Canioman showed some very nieve nerves last night in not adapting and putting five across the middle to match them, and our players being arguably better would have forced them to change. Sometimes you have to take the bull by the horns and make things happen, Canioman showed a complete lack of vision last night in not adapting his team to deal with the situation, which resulted in the players confidence taking an un necessary knock, and a very un necessary home defeat which could have been averted. Seems Canioman wants players to be flexible and to be able to adapt, perhaps he should try doing the same. Not one bad game but very arguably four. Not time to panic but concern should be on the agenda, concern about the inability to adapt, and never mind the last x games, I'm concerned with the ones I have seen, I don't give a hoot about the last twenty odd home games, different team almost, different league, different opposition therefore those stats do not carry weight. At home this season we are questionable from game to game, and not as solid as many would wish to think.
You said above,
As I said above I don't have an issue with people looking at one game and saying we were poor - its the over the top reaction blaming A B and C when these have been there during the good times as well as the bad
I could agree with that but you are blinkered into referring to it as being a one game blip, but that is not so.
Last night, Orient, Shrews was far from good but we got a lucky goal, and Preston was another that many prefer to forget.
There is no doubting that we can play some superb stuff, but we can also play pure dross and show a profound inability to adapt to null what they are doing to us. Canioman showed some very nieve nerves last night in not adapting and putting five across the middle to match them, and our players being arguably better would have forced them to change. Sometimes you have to take the bull by the horns and make things happen, Canioman showed a complete lack of vision last night in not adapting his team to deal with the situation, which resulted in the players confidence taking an un necessary knock, and a very un necessary home defeat which could have been averted. Seems Canioman wants players to be flexible and to be able to adapt, perhaps he should try doing the same. Not one bad game but very arguably four. Not time to panic but concern should be on the agenda, concern about the inability to adapt, and never mind the last x games, I'm concerned with the ones I have seen, I don't give a hoot about the last twenty odd home games, different team almost, different league, different opposition therefore those stats do not carry weight. At home this season we are questionable from game to game, and not as solid as many would wish to think.
mikek
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9:00pm Wed 3 Oct 12
Just an observation last night that Paolo spent at least 50% ( more than normal) of the game with his back to his players talking to his coaching staff and waving his arms about, so just how does this situation transmit to the players on the pitch. Their manager spent almost 80 plus mins constantly marshalling his team with positions marking and tactics and basically got it spot on.
London Red
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9:02pm Wed 3 Oct 12
Fair enough Den - will soon see if it is a one off by the performances and results that follow
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Orient proved to be that with 4 wins and a draw post that (a game I saw!)
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Will Colchester???
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By the way I never criticised anyone for saying last night was poor or if the tatics etc were wrong
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What I criticised was that all of a sudden it was rotation for example behind it - yet rotation is not criticised during the run of wins!
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Orient proved to be that with 4 wins and a draw post that (a game I saw!)
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Will Colchester???
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By the way I never criticised anyone for saying last night was poor or if the tatics etc were wrong
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What I criticised was that all of a sudden it was rotation for example behind it - yet rotation is not criticised during the run of wins!
jayden
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9:03pm Wed 3 Oct 12
Lazaat wrote:Lazaat thats the spirit i think we have been spoilt a bit with some wonderfull football we all know it was a shocker last night but unlike DW .PDC does agree with the fans now lets see what he does about it .Cant go sat but a big COME ON SWINDON to all you who are going.
Oi Den! wrote:Very good point Den! I must say I get fed up when mild and deserved criticism of the team results in the same people jumping on us for daring to say such things! And Den you are spot on...we always come back the following week because we love The Town, same as I have been doing now for 46 years, and I will be at Bury on Saturday!
London Red wrote:Maybe you're right LR, but let's cut to the chase. If the Adver has misquoted him, it's unfortunate, if perhaps understandable. The point is that he is unhappy with the team for the umpteenth time this season. We've all heard the earlier interviews. And he most definitely DID say there was "no passion", "no desire", "average", "players not looking for the ball" (or very similar words).
Den - think you need to actually listen to the interview rather than relying on the adver's version of it!
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PdC is far from very critical of the players and in fact is more in line with what myself, North Stand and a few others have been saying today
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His ACTUAL quote is "it is fortunate that it is NOT very often I have to say to you I needed to change 7 or 8"
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He then repeats the not very often part later to emphasise it is not the norm!
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The point I am making is that you and North Stand often come on here complaining about the fans moaning but you never complain about the manager moaning. Why is that?
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The truth is that the club means more to the fans than it does to any manager who happens to be here at any given time. So, if the manager can be critical, why can't the fans?
southside7
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9:04pm Wed 3 Oct 12
Oi Den! wrote:I think it's desperately clear that we need another right back, to back up Thompson. That's for starters. Someone mentioned we still don't have a strikeforce, we potentially have a superb striker in Williams, we just need to field a midfield that can trap the ball, compose themselves and pass it to the feet of said striker for him to then score goals with . At the moment the only two midfielders we have that can do this are left on the f+cking bench at the start of every f+cking game and one doesn't come on at f+cking all.
We could go round in circles for ever on this LR, so I'll make this my last comment on it. I think you exaggerate the feelings of fans who make critical comment. They are not sensationalising anything; they are just giving their views on the game, on the players and on tactics etc. Sometimes the manager and players get plaudits, sometimes they get stick. It's the way it is, the way it's always been and the way it always will be. And (this is not a personal attack on you) I think it is far easier to brush a performance aside as a one-off if you were not there to see it. I thought we learned a few things about our players last night. As someone else suggested, it seems quite possible that PDC will be active in the transfer market again soon.
mikek
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9:12pm Wed 3 Oct 12
the wizard wrote:Good Post as usual Wiz and don't forget Hartlepool and Poxford another two games we were poor. as You said yesterday no plan B, which stinks of a certain arms folded Wilson, and we certainly don't want to go back down that road. I thought the game was crying out for Bostock who by all accounts was signed to offer us a different direction and last night was the night we flaming needed to change direction all far too predictable. Must remember though we are not allowed to moan about Mr Di Canio hey LR
LR,
You said above,
As I said above I don't have an issue with people looking at one game and saying we were poor - its the over the top reaction blaming A B and C when these have been there during the good times as well as the bad
I could agree with that but you are blinkered into referring to it as being a one game blip, but that is not so.
Last night, Orient, Shrews was far from good but we got a lucky goal, and Preston was another that many prefer to forget.
There is no doubting that we can play some superb stuff, but we can also play pure dross and show a profound inability to adapt to null what they are doing to us. Canioman showed some very nieve nerves last night in not adapting and putting five across the middle to match them, and our players being arguably better would have forced them to change. Sometimes you have to take the bull by the horns and make things happen, Canioman showed a complete lack of vision last night in not adapting his team to deal with the situation, which resulted in the players confidence taking an un necessary knock, and a very un necessary home defeat which could have been averted. Seems Canioman wants players to be flexible and to be able to adapt, perhaps he should try doing the same. Not one bad game but very arguably four. Not time to panic but concern should be on the agenda, concern about the inability to adapt, and never mind the last x games, I'm concerned with the ones I have seen, I don't give a hoot about the last twenty odd home games, different team almost, different league, different opposition therefore those stats do not carry weight. At home this season we are questionable from game to game, and not as solid as many would wish to think.
NORTH STAND
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9:19pm Wed 3 Oct 12
Den I don't think we will ever see eye to eye over PDC... I simply rate him highly as a passionate and committed football expert and as a man... i don't think he gets everything right (no one does) but he hasn't just spiced things up since being here, he has in my opinion completely revolutionised the culture and professionalism of the whole club. No longer do we have players 'training at home' or managers travelling down from Yorkshire on a Thursday for Saturday games... The urine extraction has stopped and he alone (granted a free hand on the footballing side by the investors) has stamped an impressive discipline on the club... so when we get patronising 'he is just learning' or jingoistic 'italian temperament' comments from people who have never been near the ground I do occasionally feel compelled to offer a supportive view (an option which as gatekeeper of this forum you regularly (and rightly) promote!
In my honest opinion PDC is the best football manager we have had here since Bobby Smith. Last year the Board asked him what he needed to achieve promotion, they provided it and he delivered. This season he has ignored the easy option of keeping those players he didn't consider able to take us further forward and instead replaced them with better ones. That will take time to bed (as did last year) but I do believe he will deliver again - I don't however think we will win every game...! And yes things will inevitably go wrong from time to time but if you're seriously asking whether I would prefer PDC or a Wilson / King type to sort it out then it really is no contest... and I don't think I'm alone in that view
In my honest opinion PDC is the best football manager we have had here since Bobby Smith. Last year the Board asked him what he needed to achieve promotion, they provided it and he delivered. This season he has ignored the easy option of keeping those players he didn't consider able to take us further forward and instead replaced them with better ones. That will take time to bed (as did last year) but I do believe he will deliver again - I don't however think we will win every game...! And yes things will inevitably go wrong from time to time but if you're seriously asking whether I would prefer PDC or a Wilson / King type to sort it out then it really is no contest... and I don't think I'm alone in that view
NORTH STAND
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9:19pm Wed 3 Oct 12
Den I don't think we will ever see eye to eye over PDC... I simply rate him highly as a passionate and committed football expert and as a man... i don't think he gets everything right (no one does) but he hasn't just spiced things up since being here, he has in my opinion completely revolutionised the culture and professionalism of the whole club. No longer do we have players 'training at home' or managers travelling down from Yorkshire on a Thursday for Saturday games... The urine extraction has stopped and he alone (granted a free hand on the footballing side by the investors) has stamped an impressive discipline on the club... so when we get patronising 'he is just learning' or jingoistic 'italian temperament' comments from people who have never been near the ground I do occasionally feel compelled to offer a supportive view (an option which as gatekeeper of this forum you regularly (and rightly) promote!
In my honest opinion PDC is the best football manager we have had here since Bobby Smith. Last year the Board asked him what he needed to achieve promotion, they provided it and he delivered. This season he has ignored the easy option of keeping those players he didn't consider able to take us further forward and instead replaced them with better ones. That will take time to bed (as did last year) but I do believe he will deliver again - I don't however think we will win every game...! And yes things will inevitably go wrong from time to time but if you're seriously asking whether I would prefer PDC or a Wilson / King type to sort it out then it really is no contest... and I don't think I'm alone in that view
In my honest opinion PDC is the best football manager we have had here since Bobby Smith. Last year the Board asked him what he needed to achieve promotion, they provided it and he delivered. This season he has ignored the easy option of keeping those players he didn't consider able to take us further forward and instead replaced them with better ones. That will take time to bed (as did last year) but I do believe he will deliver again - I don't however think we will win every game...! And yes things will inevitably go wrong from time to time but if you're seriously asking whether I would prefer PDC or a Wilson / King type to sort it out then it really is no contest... and I don't think I'm alone in that view
Oi Den!
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9:51pm Wed 3 Oct 12
NS, a few comments on your points:
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First of all, I agree entirely with your high opinion of PDC. It's not a question of us failing to see eye to eye on him at all. And I think 95% of Town fans would share our view. It's just that I and many others feel that he should not be beyond criticism. When he eventually departs for bigger things, I am sure he will look back on his time here as a very gentle introduction to the world of football management. Those nice people at Upton Park will let him know what they think!
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I would have to give some thought to the Bobby Smith comparison. First of all though, I would say you might have something. Hoddle (IMO) was and still is vastly overrated as a manager and Macari's era is tainted with dodgy dealings. Ossie Ardiles, the man who transformed us into the most admired team in the land at one point, would probably pip Smith in my estimation.
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I also agree that PDC will continue to take us in the right direction.
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I would be horrified if I thought anyone considered me the "gatekeeper" of this forum. All I do is stick my oar in and argue - just like everyone else. One thing I will plead guilty to though is spending far too much time on here. It drives my wife bonkers sometimes. I'm pretty sure you had me firmly in your sights when you mentioned the Pensioners' Mafia - and I must confess I was amused and irked in equal measure by that!
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Lastly, I hope you'll forgive the bluntness but your final comment is irrelevant nonsense! Where does it come from, this idea that if you say anything negative about PDC, you are asking people to prefer Wilson / King / Hart / Malpas or anyone else? PDC is PDC. He is here in unique circumstances, he is here to succeed and he will stand or fall by whether he achieves that success. Certainly the only time I ever think about previous managers is when other people make the comparison between him and our recent failed or unpopular managers. And, given the different circumstances in which they all worked, I think that comparison is unfair on all of them.
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First of all, I agree entirely with your high opinion of PDC. It's not a question of us failing to see eye to eye on him at all. And I think 95% of Town fans would share our view. It's just that I and many others feel that he should not be beyond criticism. When he eventually departs for bigger things, I am sure he will look back on his time here as a very gentle introduction to the world of football management. Those nice people at Upton Park will let him know what they think!
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I would have to give some thought to the Bobby Smith comparison. First of all though, I would say you might have something. Hoddle (IMO) was and still is vastly overrated as a manager and Macari's era is tainted with dodgy dealings. Ossie Ardiles, the man who transformed us into the most admired team in the land at one point, would probably pip Smith in my estimation.
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I also agree that PDC will continue to take us in the right direction.
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I would be horrified if I thought anyone considered me the "gatekeeper" of this forum. All I do is stick my oar in and argue - just like everyone else. One thing I will plead guilty to though is spending far too much time on here. It drives my wife bonkers sometimes. I'm pretty sure you had me firmly in your sights when you mentioned the Pensioners' Mafia - and I must confess I was amused and irked in equal measure by that!
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Lastly, I hope you'll forgive the bluntness but your final comment is irrelevant nonsense! Where does it come from, this idea that if you say anything negative about PDC, you are asking people to prefer Wilson / King / Hart / Malpas or anyone else? PDC is PDC. He is here in unique circumstances, he is here to succeed and he will stand or fall by whether he achieves that success. Certainly the only time I ever think about previous managers is when other people make the comparison between him and our recent failed or unpopular managers. And, given the different circumstances in which they all worked, I think that comparison is unfair on all of them.
Exmouth_red69
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9:58pm Wed 3 Oct 12
mikek wrote:With all your manager watching, did you get a chance to see the game? Still what ever gets you going. ;-)
Just an observation last night that Paolo spent at least 50% ( more than normal) of the game with his back to his players talking to his coaching staff and waving his arms about, so just how does this situation transmit to the players on the pitch. Their manager spent almost 80 plus mins constantly marshalling his team with positions marking and tactics and basically got it spot on.
mikek
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10:02pm Wed 3 Oct 12
Exmouth_red69 wrote:The game was SH*T so yes I had decided to watch something else if that bothers you.
mikek wrote:With all your manager watching, did you get a chance to see the game? Still what ever gets you going. ;-)
Just an observation last night that Paolo spent at least 50% ( more than normal) of the game with his back to his players talking to his coaching staff and waving his arms about, so just how does this situation transmit to the players on the pitch. Their manager spent almost 80 plus mins constantly marshalling his team with positions marking and tactics and basically got it spot on.
Oxon-Red
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10:03pm Wed 3 Oct 12
Read most of the comments on here since posting earlier and agree with many things said. Since returning to watch town regularly (6 years now as a season ticket holder) I have not seen so many bad performances from so many players at the same time but for me the majority of those poor performances were from players in midfield, not one turned up and I include Ferry, who may not have started because the last comment on the Shrewsbury match report thread identified him as struggling.
If the midfield do not turn up the defence is forced to play the long ball. I have just watched Man City get thrashed 1-1 for the same reason. The difference was THEY got the unfortunate accidental hand ball and we didn't.
A lot been said about Troy and Flint, both good players IMO and I would be happy to see either start but Flint has also been slammed on here for his poor distribution.
City tonight also went to Plan B, something they have been working on, 3-5-2. It was a disaster. Maybe Paulo has been working on this but feels we are not ready to employ it. Maybe this is why Bostock is here !
City's midfield, particularly Toure, did not click tonight and neither did the team. Similar to last night, food for thought !
COYMR
If the midfield do not turn up the defence is forced to play the long ball. I have just watched Man City get thrashed 1-1 for the same reason. The difference was THEY got the unfortunate accidental hand ball and we didn't.
A lot been said about Troy and Flint, both good players IMO and I would be happy to see either start but Flint has also been slammed on here for his poor distribution.
City tonight also went to Plan B, something they have been working on, 3-5-2. It was a disaster. Maybe Paulo has been working on this but feels we are not ready to employ it. Maybe this is why Bostock is here !
City's midfield, particularly Toure, did not click tonight and neither did the team. Similar to last night, food for thought !
COYMR
mikek
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10:19pm Wed 3 Oct 12
I think some of the points fans raise against PDC me included, stem from Paolo's demands of perfection on the pitch for 90 + minutes, in training, in diet, and everything else in the footballers life at STFC and just may be expectations are becoming so high that we then look for chinks in Paolo's armour without realizing that this guy is still wet behind the ears in management and still has a lot to learn himself but because he demands perfection even if his team are 4-0 up just may be we fans expect it from the master himself. I still believe it is a big mistake to leave Flint out and even bigger one not to have bought on Bostock last night when the game was crying out for a different direction which Bostock was bought in to provide but hey who am I. I would not swap Paolo with any of the last few managers we have had because he will take this club forward and has been a breath of fresh air for our club but he will make mistakes as will the players and we all have to learn to take the rough with the smooth I suppose. I would love to see Flint back though Paolo.
akershaker
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10:31pm Wed 3 Oct 12
M.Dobbo wrote:We have two games a week most weeks and Paolo has a squad to vary the team based on the opposition's attributes and to keep them fresh.
OH dear, DiCanio the TINKERMAN, will he ever learn. Tinkering with the team creates a lack of unity within the team,
creates a llack of confidence and feeds fear, especially when playing at home.
After my last game(Leyton Orient) I promised myself not to venture near the CG until results improved. So last night was,I thought, the right time to return.
How wrong can a chap get, this was an exhibition of total rubbish and it was all down to this wonderful Itialian manager that many fans are crazy about. Di Canio is still learning and if he thinks he can swop players around willy-nilly he's got a long way to go.
IMHO,
Besonne--- get rid.
Bostock ---- why is he bench warming ?
Miller --- needs a spell on the bench.
Benson--- not good enough for Div 1
Troy ---- just a bench warmer.
Stand by for more of the same on Saturday ugh !
Bessone looked bad but was playing out of position. Troy had a bad game but played great against Brighton so it's too early to write him off. Can't agree about Benson, personally think he's better than Collins at the moment. And it makes no sense to critisise squad rotation and say Miller needs a spell on the bench. Although I do agree with that to some extent.
The real issue is we need a plan to break down teams that come to close us down and hope to grab a goal on the counter or from set plays. I'm sure that will come.
Feeling up beat about the season and think we will finish top 6.
joey butler
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10:31pm Wed 3 Oct 12
Well, having read all 114 posts on here today, most posters confirm what I said last night, despite the abuse from OxEn Red and others.
We are not nearly as good as we think we are and if we are serious about promotion this season, we cannot lose home games to the likes of Orient and Colchester.
Simply not good enough at the moment, despite the open cheque book and massive support given to PDC by the Board.
Going up? We must be having a serious laugh!!
We are not nearly as good as we think we are and if we are serious about promotion this season, we cannot lose home games to the likes of Orient and Colchester.
Simply not good enough at the moment, despite the open cheque book and massive support given to PDC by the Board.
Going up? We must be having a serious laugh!!
Oxon-Red
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10:40pm Wed 3 Oct 12
mikek wrote:Top Post Mikek
I think some of the points fans raise against PDC me included, stem from Paolo's demands of perfection on the pitch for 90 + minutes, in training, in diet, and everything else in the footballers life at STFC and just may be expectations are becoming so high that we then look for chinks in Paolo's armour without realizing that this guy is still wet behind the ears in management and still has a lot to learn himself but because he demands perfection even if his team are 4-0 up just may be we fans expect it from the master himself. I still believe it is a big mistake to leave Flint out and even bigger one not to have bought on Bostock last night when the game was crying out for a different direction which Bostock was bought in to provide but hey who am I. I would not swap Paolo with any of the last few managers we have had because he will take this club forward and has been a breath of fresh air for our club but he will make mistakes as will the players and we all have to learn to take the rough with the smooth I suppose. I would love to see Flint back though Paolo.
Malkym
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10:56pm Wed 3 Oct 12
Stratton Red wrote:So if last night was the first time we missed Caddis -then we haven't really missed him have we? In Pythonesque terms " He's been a naughty naughty boy and he's not coming back"
Not read many of the posts so apologies if this is repetitive in any way. * Very lacklustre perfromance, but you're always going to get nights like this, let's just be thankfull they are few and far between these days! * The Paolo achillies heel strikes again. When teams come and play we can take them apart when they play 4-5-1 or 5-4-1 we struggle. We got away with it last year, but as the quality is higher in L1 we need more of a cutting edge, at the very least we need to be on top of our game. * Said after the Oxford game that PDC seems to have no plan B when it comes to parking the bus tactics.I'm surprised he doesn't go 3-5-2 or 3-4-3 when they've only one up top and try to stretch them. * No good **** about the long ball when there's no outlet other than the left or right back. First time this season I thought we really missed Caddis. Would be good if they could kiss and make-up...
Young Thompson will do for me in there and if he's out like now I'd be happy with Devera there as a stopgap or move Macca in there and bring Flint in the middle alongside Ward or TAH. Why can't two of that three be the new Taylor/Calderwood combo?
Playing devil's advocate here -but they're not few and far between this season so far? Bit of a curates egg- good in parts? But not at Pools,Oxford, Preston, Orient, last night, and even at Pompey we conspired to chuck it away in the last 10 mins. Shrews as others have said wasn't good - a well travelled mate said it was dire and we got lucky but admittedly that's only hearsay.
So putting on my LR stat hat doesn't that indicate more poor performances than good certainly in the league if you take out all the cup games, and form there is only any good if it transfers to the league.
Aren't we starting to get found out and will continue to be by the opposition who do their homework so yours/others alternative game plan option is a must surely?
Work to do for PdC certainly.
Steve. Brentford
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1:54am Thu 4 Oct 12
Oxon-Red wrote:Yep good post Mikek,i would also like to say (without licking dirty places) Den i would not worry about what others may or may not think of you or your opinions, i would like you to carry on being you,i like the fact that you can see a wide unbiased picture of things and that you are a fair man,i have never seen you offend anyone intentionally and you are not afraid to speak up for what you believe, to cut things short (before i propose) DONT GO CHANGING.
mikek wrote:Top Post Mikek
I think some of the points fans raise against PDC me included, stem from Paolo's demands of perfection on the pitch for 90 + minutes, in training, in diet, and everything else in the footballers life at STFC and just may be expectations are becoming so high that we then look for chinks in Paolo's armour without realizing that this guy is still wet behind the ears in management and still has a lot to learn himself but because he demands perfection even if his team are 4-0 up just may be we fans expect it from the master himself. I still believe it is a big mistake to leave Flint out and even bigger one not to have bought on Bostock last night when the game was crying out for a different direction which Bostock was bought in to provide but hey who am I. I would not swap Paolo with any of the last few managers we have had because he will take this club forward and has been a breath of fresh air for our club but he will make mistakes as will the players and we all have to learn to take the rough with the smooth I suppose. I would love to see Flint back though Paolo.
Mikek, just for the record,about 25 mins before the final whistle i commented to Jayden,that Paolo had agreed with us that we would get nothing from the game as he had sat down on the bench and speaking (sideways) to others who were sat on the bench,taking little notice of the game, then the ball ran out of play near the bench,he jumped up gave the ball to Ritchie and promptly sat back down,i also believe he was as p1ssed off as everyone else. We move on.
forzaswindon12
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2:21am Thu 4 Oct 12
get another RB in quickly so we dont have to do this ridicolous reshuffle where players are played out of position or played in a weaker position like with devera.
im backin us to bounce back against bury, cant have tranmere pulling away!
Ferry must start with coke or bostock.
im backin us to bounce back against bury, cant have tranmere pulling away!
Ferry must start with coke or bostock.
Chish and Fips
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7:34am Thu 4 Oct 12
NORTH STAND wrote:An excellent post there NS and put a few things and people into perspective.
Den I don't think we will ever see eye to eye over PDC... I simply rate him highly as a passionate and committed football expert and as a man... i don't think he gets everything right (no one does) but he hasn't just spiced things up since being here, he has in my opinion completely revolutionised the culture and professionalism of the whole club. No longer do we have players 'training at home' or managers travelling down from Yorkshire on a Thursday for Saturday games... The urine extraction has stopped and he alone (granted a free hand on the footballing side by the investors) has stamped an impressive discipline on the club... so when we get patronising 'he is just learning' or jingoistic 'italian temperament' comments from people who have never been near the ground I do occasionally feel compelled to offer a supportive view (an option which as gatekeeper of this forum you regularly (and rightly) promote!
In my honest opinion PDC is the best football manager we have had here since Bobby Smith. Last year the Board asked him what he needed to achieve promotion, they provided it and he delivered. This season he has ignored the easy option of keeping those players he didn't consider able to take us further forward and instead replaced them with better ones. That will take time to bed (as did last year) but I do believe he will deliver again - I don't however think we will win every game...! And yes things will inevitably go wrong from time to time but if you're seriously asking whether I would prefer PDC or a Wilson / King type to sort it out then it really is no contest... and I don't think I'm alone in that view
I for one really like PDC but have some reservations about his methods, but am prepared to accept them, as at present he is delivering the goods .
Any chance NS of having a word with Joey Butler now ... see he has regurgitated his We ain't going up 'wind up' post again - yawn !
London Red
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8:11am Thu 4 Oct 12
Steve you are right in his interview he said his half time team talk was about making sure we defend and get the draw - with the possibility of a smash and grab win
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He had realised it was one of those days early on - so that is probably why he was not rant and raving - but rationally dissecting the situation
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Bury will be very interesting now - what PdC says about training, who he selects and the response by the players!
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He had realised it was one of those days early on - so that is probably why he was not rant and raving - but rationally dissecting the situation
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Bury will be very interesting now - what PdC says about training, who he selects and the response by the players!
M.Dobbo
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9:06am Thu 4 Oct 12
Swindon1984 wrote:Work commitments do not allow me to attend every game, but that does not stop me from being a life long supporter.
M.Dobbo wrote: OH dear, DiCanio the TINKERMAN, will he ever learn. Tinkering with the team creates a lack of unity within the team, creates a llack of confidence and feeds fear, especially when playing at home. After my last game(Leyton Orient) I promised myself not to venture near the CG until results improved. So last night was,I thought, the right time to return. How wrong can a chap get, this was an exhibition of total rubbish and it was all down to this wonderful Itialian manager that many fans are crazy about. Di Canio is still learning and if he thinks he can swop players around willy-nilly he's got a long way to go. IMHO, Besonne--- get rid. Bostock ---- why is he bench warming ? Miller --- needs a spell on the bench. Benson--- not good enough for Div 1 Troy ---- just a bench warmer. Stand by for more of the same on Saturday ugh !Not going near the county ground until results improve? Results mind, not performances. I can understand being annoyed by bad performances but to basically say you're only going to go to games you think we're going to win doesn't sound right to me. Benson, not good enough for Division 1? Have a day off, he's done well for us thus far this season. No-one can doubt his commitment and he scores goals. Not wanting to have a go but if I worked by your logic of only go when the going's good, I wouldn't have seen a game at the county ground for most of my teenage years and well into my mid twenties! Aside from promotion under McMahon and the play off season with Wilson, this is the best time we've had in the past fifteen odd years - better I would argue considering how far we'd fallen. Get a grip!
Also I have financial issues that take priority over watching Div.1 footbal every week. If you think I only turn-up when they are on a winning run maybe you should look around the CG on a home match and wonder why the stadium is only half full. (7000 instead of 14000).
Swindon1984
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11:36am Thu 4 Oct 12
M.Dobbo wrote:Can completely understand that and was not having a pop - I myself haven't lived in the town for over ten years and home games can be a pain to get to, hence why I'm not a season ticket holder. I go when I can, and that's the best any of us can do. I do sympathise with the situation.
Swindon1984 wrote:Work commitments do not allow me to attend every game, but that does not stop me from being a life long supporter. Also I have financial issues that take priority over watching Div.1 footbal every week. If you think I only turn-up when they are on a winning run maybe you should look around the CG on a home match and wonder why the stadium is only half full. (7000 instead of 14000).M.Dobbo wrote: OH dear, DiCanio the TINKERMAN, will he ever learn. Tinkering with the team creates a lack of unity within the team, creates a llack of confidence and feeds fear, especially when playing at home. After my last game(Leyton Orient) I promised myself not to venture near the CG until results improved. So last night was,I thought, the right time to return. How wrong can a chap get, this was an exhibition of total rubbish and it was all down to this wonderful Itialian manager that many fans are crazy about. Di Canio is still learning and if he thinks he can swop players around willy-nilly he's got a long way to go. IMHO, Besonne--- get rid. Bostock ---- why is he bench warming ? Miller --- needs a spell on the bench. Benson--- not good enough for Div 1 Troy ---- just a bench warmer. Stand by for more of the same on Saturday ugh !Not going near the county ground until results improve? Results mind, not performances. I can understand being annoyed by bad performances but to basically say you're only going to go to games you think we're going to win doesn't sound right to me. Benson, not good enough for Division 1? Have a day off, he's done well for us thus far this season. No-one can doubt his commitment and he scores goals. Not wanting to have a go but if I worked by your logic of only go when the going's good, I wouldn't have seen a game at the county ground for most of my teenage years and well into my mid twenties! Aside from promotion under McMahon and the play off season with Wilson, this is the best time we've had in the past fifteen odd years - better I would argue considering how far we'd fallen. Get a grip!
Only thing I'd picked up on there was the comment about results, on a personal level results really aren't the be all and end all to me, I can quite happily stomach losing a game if we go down with some fight - that was distinctly lacking on Tuesday night, and I can see why you and a lot of others probably came away from the game thinking "why did I blow my hard earned to watch this pitiful display!" I'm sure you didn't intend your comments the way I read them, but as we've often said this internet lark can mean a lot of stuff gets misinterpreted. We're all fans at the end of the day, all routing for the same team although sometimes we disagree and that's fine, it's all about opinions.
Sticking by mine on Benson mind you, he's at an age where he won't start every game but I reckon he'll play a big part this year, great leader and gets his fair share of goals as well as holding the ball up better than anyone else in that position. Collins I'm really hoping comes good, he's missed a few sitters recently, but have to have faith that, like Williams, once he gets past this lean spell the floodgates will open and he'll be scoring regularly.
Again, meant no offence, hope your next visit to the CG's a happy one, as we all do! And I'm sure in the cold light of day you might concede that though some of our lot had a bad game Saturday (played out of position or not, like Bessone) that this doesn't sum them up as a whole, and maybe they should be given more time to prove themselves. If not, fair enough, that's your view - we support the town in different ways but the bottom line is we all support the town. That's the important thing.
SAPFanSTFC
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1:00pm Thu 4 Oct 12
dreamofacleansheet2 wrote:Cheers Dreamo....I agree with the distribution element, we don't win enough possession from high balls so why not build from the back and pass it about a bit.
SAPF it wasn't a question of running out of ideas we never had any!
I think Paolo will sort it. I also think that most of those playing were his first 11, but may not be now. I was surprised he didn't haul someone off in the first half. Mind you he'd have probably got slaughtered on here if he had. Would have sent the message to the troops loud and clear. Anyway damned if he does damned if he doesn't.
The thing that has concerned me a bit is Wes smashing it aimlessly down field all the time. I'd like to see Troy and Macca get back and pick it up and build from the back. Mind you if they had last night they'd have found no Town players available and so would have had to hoof it long anyway.
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Get them running to us and not giving it back to them....Shrewsbury was the same but then we don't seem to change that element of the game - I guess Navarro was midfield as he should be winning the 2nd phase on these kicks but I'd prefer to get back to Ferry and play our way out again.
Malkym
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2:07pm Thu 4 Oct 12
NS said - I do occasionally feel compelled to offer a supportive view (an option which as gatekeeper of this forum you regularly (and rightly) promote!
Strange NS but I thought the self-appointed gatekeeper of these forums was the guy that took great delight in telling me I was a danger to children, (where he got that weird notion from I've no idea).. can't think of his name now but used to live in Thatcham -recently moved to Royal Wootton Bassett or RWB as the locals say. Always manages to find himself in the same hotel as the opposing team on away trips it seems...somebody,Ian
? somebody Charles? now what the dickens is his name...
"so when we get patronising 'he is just learning' or jingoistic 'italian temperament' comments from people who have never been near the ground I do occasionally feel compelled to offer a supportive view " mmm interesting - pray tell how you deduce that the perpetrators of such remarks are categorically from persons who've never been near the ground? do you have some telepathic factual knowledge.
...and Chish --- why do some people need to "be put into perspective" I'm assuming you mean fellow forum posters? Isn't someone else's opinion just as valid as an alternative argument even if you don't necessarily agree with it? -even Joey B who when not suffering from his multiple ID tourettes sometimes makes very good points -even if his "we're not going up" is a wind -up it can be taken with a pinch of salt and black humour you know. And if it isn't then on current overall league form this season to date -we're not are we.
The caveat of course being there is still three quarters of the season to go so any predictions one way or another are a tad premature eh?
Strange NS but I thought the self-appointed gatekeeper of these forums was the guy that took great delight in telling me I was a danger to children, (where he got that weird notion from I've no idea).. can't think of his name now but used to live in Thatcham -recently moved to Royal Wootton Bassett or RWB as the locals say. Always manages to find himself in the same hotel as the opposing team on away trips it seems...somebody,Ian
? somebody Charles? now what the dickens is his name...
"so when we get patronising 'he is just learning' or jingoistic 'italian temperament' comments from people who have never been near the ground I do occasionally feel compelled to offer a supportive view " mmm interesting - pray tell how you deduce that the perpetrators of such remarks are categorically from persons who've never been near the ground? do you have some telepathic factual knowledge.
...and Chish --- why do some people need to "be put into perspective" I'm assuming you mean fellow forum posters? Isn't someone else's opinion just as valid as an alternative argument even if you don't necessarily agree with it? -even Joey B who when not suffering from his multiple ID tourettes sometimes makes very good points -even if his "we're not going up" is a wind -up it can be taken with a pinch of salt and black humour you know. And if it isn't then on current overall league form this season to date -we're not are we.
The caveat of course being there is still three quarters of the season to go so any predictions one way or another are a tad premature eh?
Steve. Brentford
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3:14pm Thu 4 Oct 12
Malkym wrote:Yep,with you all the way Malky, Gatekeeper my Arse, shame NS had to spoil some very good points in above posts by talking out his ring-piece, ooorfff with his head.
NS said - I do occasionally feel compelled to offer a supportive view (an option which as gatekeeper of this forum you regularly (and rightly) promote!
Strange NS but I thought the self-appointed gatekeeper of these forums was the guy that took great delight in telling me I was a danger to children, (where he got that weird notion from I've no idea).. can't think of his name now but used to live in Thatcham -recently moved to Royal Wootton Bassett or RWB as the locals say. Always manages to find himself in the same hotel as the opposing team on away trips it seems...somebody,Ian
? somebody Charles? now what the dickens is his name...
"so when we get patronising 'he is just learning' or jingoistic 'italian temperament' comments from people who have never been near the ground I do occasionally feel compelled to offer a supportive view " mmm interesting - pray tell how you deduce that the perpetrators of such remarks are categorically from persons who've never been near the ground? do you have some telepathic factual knowledge.
...and Chish --- why do some people need to "be put into perspective" I'm assuming you mean fellow forum posters? Isn't someone else's opinion just as valid as an alternative argument even if you don't necessarily agree with it? -even Joey B who when not suffering from his multiple ID tourettes sometimes makes very good points -even if his "we're not going up" is a wind -up it can be taken with a pinch of salt and black humour you know. And if it isn't then on current overall league form this season to date -we're not are we.
The caveat of course being there is still three quarters of the season to go so any predictions one way or another are a tad premature eh?
sixtyniner
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4:12pm Thu 4 Oct 12
How about a few Cliche's to finish with and forget the Coley game! Long way to go yet, players still settling in, no worse position than this period last season, (roughly!) Game plans being worked on,every other teams cup-final! Settled Period to come. etc etc etc.......
M.Dobbo
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4:16pm Thu 4 Oct 12
Swindon1984 wrote:Agree---- Cheers !
M.Dobbo wrote:Can completely understand that and was not having a pop - I myself haven't lived in the town for over ten years and home games can be a pain to get to, hence why I'm not a season ticket holder. I go when I can, and that's the best any of us can do. I do sympathise with the situation. Only thing I'd picked up on there was the comment about results, on a personal level results really aren't the be all and end all to me, I can quite happily stomach losing a game if we go down with some fight - that was distinctly lacking on Tuesday night, and I can see why you and a lot of others probably came away from the game thinking "why did I blow my hard earned to watch this pitiful display!" I'm sure you didn't intend your comments the way I read them, but as we've often said this internet lark can mean a lot of stuff gets misinterpreted. We're all fans at the end of the day, all routing for the same team although sometimes we disagree and that's fine, it's all about opinions. Sticking by mine on Benson mind you, he's at an age where he won't start every game but I reckon he'll play a big part this year, great leader and gets his fair share of goals as well as holding the ball up better than anyone else in that position. Collins I'm really hoping comes good, he's missed a few sitters recently, but have to have faith that, like Williams, once he gets past this lean spell the floodgates will open and he'll be scoring regularly. Again, meant no offence, hope your next visit to the CG's a happy one, as we all do! And I'm sure in the cold light of day you might concede that though some of our lot had a bad game Saturday (played out of position or not, like Bessone) that this doesn't sum them up as a whole, and maybe they should be given more time to prove themselves. If not, fair enough, that's your view - we support the town in different ways but the bottom line is we all support the town. That's the important thing.Swindon1984 wrote:Work commitments do not allow me to attend every game, but that does not stop me from being a life long supporter. Also I have financial issues that take priority over watching Div.1 footbal every week. If you think I only turn-up when they are on a winning run maybe you should look around the CG on a home match and wonder why the stadium is only half full. (7000 instead of 14000).M.Dobbo wrote: OH dear, DiCanio the TINKERMAN, will he ever learn. Tinkering with the team creates a lack of unity within the team, creates a llack of confidence and feeds fear, especially when playing at home. After my last game(Leyton Orient) I promised myself not to venture near the CG until results improved. So last night was,I thought, the right time to return. How wrong can a chap get, this was an exhibition of total rubbish and it was all down to this wonderful Itialian manager that many fans are crazy about. Di Canio is still learning and if he thinks he can swop players around willy-nilly he's got a long way to go. IMHO, Besonne--- get rid. Bostock ---- why is he bench warming ? Miller --- needs a spell on the bench. Benson--- not good enough for Div 1 Troy ---- just a bench warmer. Stand by for more of the same on Saturday ugh !Not going near the county ground until results improve? Results mind, not performances. I can understand being annoyed by bad performances but to basically say you're only going to go to games you think we're going to win doesn't sound right to me. Benson, not good enough for Division 1? Have a day off, he's done well for us thus far this season. No-one can doubt his commitment and he scores goals. Not wanting to have a go but if I worked by your logic of only go when the going's good, I wouldn't have seen a game at the county ground for most of my teenage years and well into my mid twenties! Aside from promotion under McMahon and the play off season with Wilson, this is the best time we've had in the past fifteen odd years - better I would argue considering how far we'd fallen. Get a grip!
Malkym
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4:44pm Thu 4 Oct 12
Steve. Brentford wrote:Lock him in the "Blo0dy tower" what say you?
Malkym wrote: NS said - I do occasionally feel compelled to offer a supportive view (an option which as gatekeeper of this forum you regularly (and rightly) promote! Strange NS but I thought the self-appointed gatekeeper of these forums was the guy that took great delight in telling me I was a danger to children, (where he got that weird notion from I've no idea).. can't think of his name now but used to live in Thatcham -recently moved to Royal Wootton Bassett or RWB as the locals say. Always manages to find himself in the same hotel as the opposing team on away trips it seems...somebody,Ian ? somebody Charles? now what the dickens is his name... "so when we get patronising 'he is just learning' or jingoistic 'italian temperament' comments from people who have never been near the ground I do occasionally feel compelled to offer a supportive view " mmm interesting - pray tell how you deduce that the perpetrators of such remarks are categorically from persons who've never been near the ground? do you have some telepathic factual knowledge. ...and Chish --- why do some people need to "be put into perspective" I'm assuming you mean fellow forum posters? Isn't someone else's opinion just as valid as an alternative argument even if you don't necessarily agree with it? -even Joey B who when not suffering from his multiple ID tourettes sometimes makes very good points -even if his "we're not going up" is a wind -up it can be taken with a pinch of salt and black humour you know. And if it isn't then on current overall league form this season to date -we're not are we. The caveat of course being there is still three quarters of the season to go so any predictions one way or another are a tad premature eh?Yep,with you all the way Malky, Gatekeeper my Arse, shame NS had to spoil some very good points in above posts by talking out his ring-piece, ooorfff with his head.
Chish and Fips
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5:37pm Thu 4 Oct 12
Malkym wrote:That's if the Gatekeeper agrees of course.... ;o)
Steve. Brentford wrote:Lock him in the "Blo0dy tower" what say you?
Malkym wrote: NS said - I do occasionally feel compelled to offer a supportive view (an option which as gatekeeper of this forum you regularly (and rightly) promote! Strange NS but I thought the self-appointed gatekeeper of these forums was the guy that took great delight in telling me I was a danger to children, (where he got that weird notion from I've no idea).. can't think of his name now but used to live in Thatcham -recently moved to Royal Wootton Bassett or RWB as the locals say. Always manages to find himself in the same hotel as the opposing team on away trips it seems...somebody,Ian ? somebody Charles? now what the dickens is his name... "so when we get patronising 'he is just learning' or jingoistic 'italian temperament' comments from people who have never been near the ground I do occasionally feel compelled to offer a supportive view " mmm interesting - pray tell how you deduce that the perpetrators of such remarks are categorically from persons who've never been near the ground? do you have some telepathic factual knowledge. ...and Chish --- why do some people need to "be put into perspective" I'm assuming you mean fellow forum posters? Isn't someone else's opinion just as valid as an alternative argument even if you don't necessarily agree with it? -even Joey B who when not suffering from his multiple ID tourettes sometimes makes very good points -even if his "we're not going up" is a wind -up it can be taken with a pinch of salt and black humour you know. And if it isn't then on current overall league form this season to date -we're not are we. The caveat of course being there is still three quarters of the season to go so any predictions one way or another are a tad premature eh?Yep,with you all the way Malky, Gatekeeper my Arse, shame NS had to spoil some very good points in above posts by talking out his ring-piece, ooorfff with his head.
joey butler
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11:11pm Thu 4 Oct 12
Malkym wrote:Very interesting point Malky, which I thank you for.
NS said - I do occasionally feel compelled to offer a supportive view (an option which as gatekeeper of this forum you regularly (and rightly) promote!
Strange NS but I thought the self-appointed gatekeeper of these forums was the guy that took great delight in telling me I was a danger to children, (where he got that weird notion from I've no idea).. can't think of his name now but used to live in Thatcham -recently moved to Royal Wootton Bassett or RWB as the locals say. Always manages to find himself in the same hotel as the opposing team on away trips it seems...somebody,Ian
? somebody Charles? now what the dickens is his name...
"so when we get patronising 'he is just learning' or jingoistic 'italian temperament' comments from people who have never been near the ground I do occasionally feel compelled to offer a supportive view " mmm interesting - pray tell how you deduce that the perpetrators of such remarks are categorically from persons who've never been near the ground? do you have some telepathic factual knowledge.
...and Chish --- why do some people need to "be put into perspective" I'm assuming you mean fellow forum posters? Isn't someone else's opinion just as valid as an alternative argument even if you don't necessarily agree with it? -even Joey B who when not suffering from his multiple ID tourettes sometimes makes very good points -even if his "we're not going up" is a wind -up it can be taken with a pinch of salt and black humour you know. And if it isn't then on current overall league form this season to date -we're not are we.
The caveat of course being there is still three quarters of the season to go so any predictions one way or another are a tad premature eh?
As regards going up, I do think we have to be an awful lot more consistent, particularly at home. Like I said, we simply cannot be losing to the likes of Orient and Colchester.
For someone who takes so much flack on here, your views are very often refreshing.
Thank you Malky, I appreciiate your honesty.
joey butler
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11:30pm Thu 4 Oct 12
Chish and Fips wrote:With respect Wizard,
NORTH STAND wrote:An excellent post there NS and put a few things and people into perspective.
Den I don't think we will ever see eye to eye over PDC... I simply rate him highly as a passionate and committed football expert and as a man... i don't think he gets everything right (no one does) but he hasn't just spiced things up since being here, he has in my opinion completely revolutionised the culture and professionalism of the whole club. No longer do we have players 'training at home' or managers travelling down from Yorkshire on a Thursday for Saturday games... The urine extraction has stopped and he alone (granted a free hand on the footballing side by the investors) has stamped an impressive discipline on the club... so when we get patronising 'he is just learning' or jingoistic 'italian temperament' comments from people who have never been near the ground I do occasionally feel compelled to offer a supportive view (an option which as gatekeeper of this forum you regularly (and rightly) promote!
In my honest opinion PDC is the best football manager we have had here since Bobby Smith. Last year the Board asked him what he needed to achieve promotion, they provided it and he delivered. This season he has ignored the easy option of keeping those players he didn't consider able to take us further forward and instead replaced them with better ones. That will take time to bed (as did last year) but I do believe he will deliver again - I don't however think we will win every game...! And yes things will inevitably go wrong from time to time but if you're seriously asking whether I would prefer PDC or a Wilson / King type to sort it out then it really is no contest... and I don't think I'm alone in that view
I for one really like PDC but have some reservations about his methods, but am prepared to accept them, as at present he is delivering the goods .
Any chance NS of having a word with Joey Butler now ... see he has regurgitated his We ain't going up 'wind up' post again - yawn !
We are sure as hell not going up at the moment, are we?
Perhaps we should start by not losing home games to poor teams like Orient and Colchester and we can have this debate again! That excluding all our other poor results this season.
YAWN to you too Wizard!!
Simply not as good as we should be, with a virtually open cheque book for PDC and on paper anyway, the best squad we have had for years.
Malkym
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12:47pm Fri 5 Oct 12
joey butler wrote:Joey I've got broad shoulders and you know what they say "Sticks & stones...etc"
Malkym wrote: NS said - I do occasionally feel compelled to offer a supportive view (an option which as gatekeeper of this forum you regularly (and rightly) promote! Strange NS but I thought the self-appointed gatekeeper of these forums was the guy that took great delight in telling me I was a danger to children, (where he got that weird notion from I've no idea).. can't think of his name now but used to live in Thatcham -recently moved to Royal Wootton Bassett or RWB as the locals say. Always manages to find himself in the same hotel as the opposing team on away trips it seems...somebody,Ian ? somebody Charles? now what the dickens is his name... "so when we get patronising 'he is just learning' or jingoistic 'italian temperament' comments from people who have never been near the ground I do occasionally feel compelled to offer a supportive view " mmm interesting - pray tell how you deduce that the perpetrators of such remarks are categorically from persons who've never been near the ground? do you have some telepathic factual knowledge. ...and Chish --- why do some people need to "be put into perspective" I'm assuming you mean fellow forum posters? Isn't someone else's opinion just as valid as an alternative argument even if you don't necessarily agree with it? -even Joey B who when not suffering from his multiple ID tourettes sometimes makes very good points -even if his "we're not going up" is a wind -up it can be taken with a pinch of salt and black humour you know. And if it isn't then on current overall league form this season to date -we're not are we. The caveat of course being there is still three quarters of the season to go so any predictions one way or another are a tad premature eh?Very interesting point Malky, which I thank you for. As regards going up, I do think we have to be an awful lot more consistent, particularly at home. Like I said, we simply cannot be losing to the likes of Orient and Colchester. For someone who takes so much flack on here, your views are very often refreshing. Thank you Malky, I appreciiate your honesty.
You do realise you have committed the most heinous crime of all on these forums by daring to be critical of the team and manager -that is seen as treason by those who think the sun shines out of PdC's arse all the time. I think is does most of the time but every so often we get clouds called Preston, Orient, Colcheter, blotting it out.
I'm sure that while we might still get the occasional cloud it will be sunny come the end of the season and a second promotion has been secured.
I fully agree on current form to date we are not candidates for any form of promotion place.
Swindon1984
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1:54pm Fri 5 Oct 12
Malkym wrote:Can't argue with that as we currently sit outside the play off places. However on the bright side we're a point and goal difference off fourth place having not played to our full potential in most of the games we've played so far this season.
joey butler wrote:Joey I've got broad shoulders and you know what they say "Sticks & stones...etc" You do realise you have committed the most heinous crime of all on these forums by daring to be critical of the team and manager -that is seen as treason by those who think the sun shines out of PdC's arse all the time. I think is does most of the time but every so often we get clouds called Preston, Orient, Colcheter, blotting it out. I'm sure that while we might still get the occasional cloud it will be sunny come the end of the season and a second promotion has been secured. I fully agree on current form to date we are not candidates for any form of promotion place.Malkym wrote: NS said - I do occasionally feel compelled to offer a supportive view (an option which as gatekeeper of this forum you regularly (and rightly) promote! Strange NS but I thought the self-appointed gatekeeper of these forums was the guy that took great delight in telling me I was a danger to children, (where he got that weird notion from I've no idea).. can't think of his name now but used to live in Thatcham -recently moved to Royal Wootton Bassett or RWB as the locals say. Always manages to find himself in the same hotel as the opposing team on away trips it seems...somebody,Ian ? somebody Charles? now what the dickens is his name... "so when we get patronising 'he is just learning' or jingoistic 'italian temperament' comments from people who have never been near the ground I do occasionally feel compelled to offer a supportive view " mmm interesting - pray tell how you deduce that the perpetrators of such remarks are categorically from persons who've never been near the ground? do you have some telepathic factual knowledge. ...and Chish --- why do some people need to "be put into perspective" I'm assuming you mean fellow forum posters? Isn't someone else's opinion just as valid as an alternative argument even if you don't necessarily agree with it? -even Joey B who when not suffering from his multiple ID tourettes sometimes makes very good points -even if his "we're not going up" is a wind -up it can be taken with a pinch of salt and black humour you know. And if it isn't then on current overall league form this season to date -we're not are we. The caveat of course being there is still three quarters of the season to go so any predictions one way or another are a tad premature eh?Very interesting point Malky, which I thank you for. As regards going up, I do think we have to be an awful lot more consistent, particularly at home. Like I said, we simply cannot be losing to the likes of Orient and Colchester. For someone who takes so much flack on here, your views are very often refreshing. Thank you Malky, I appreciiate your honesty.
No-one seems to be running away with this league aside from Tranmere's excellent start, which in the past couple of games seems to be slowing down.
the wizard
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3:49pm Fri 5 Oct 12
Chish and Fips,
I see your mate the Clockwork Orange has been stalking you again, brilliant stuff that, not. Have you ever looked at,
http://www.youtube.c
om/watch?v=C3Zn3M-WM
zM
and then work out who is pulling who's strings, a true case of................
I'll let you work that out buddy.
I see your mate the Clockwork Orange has been stalking you again, brilliant stuff that, not. Have you ever looked at,
http://www.youtube.c
om/watch?v=C3Zn3M-WM
zM
and then work out who is pulling who's strings, a true case of................
I'll let you work that out buddy.
joey butler
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9:27pm Fri 5 Oct 12
the wizard wrote:That link does not seem to work Wizard.
Chish and Fips,
I see your mate the Clockwork Orange has been stalking you again, brilliant stuff that, not. Have you ever looked at,
http://www.youtube.c
om/watch?v=C3Zn3M-WM
zM
and then work out who is pulling who's strings, a true case of................
I'll let you work that out buddy.
Happy to reply to you if I can get onto it?
Lazaat says...
6:14am Wed 3 Oct 12
And were Thompson and Roberts injured last night? If not why didn't they play? And I am also very surprised that Bostock has hardly had a look in this season!
Maybe it's time for us all to get a reality check and accept that we are not good enough to go up this season, but it does p1$$ me off that we keep beating these teams from the Premiership and Championship then play so bad against the likes of Orient and Colchester!