Rose a thorn in Town's side (From The Wiltshire Gazette and Herald)

This article sums it up very accurately, couldn't agree more.

I can only think it was an elaborate plan to lull the Villa scouts into a false sense of security.

Need to move on quickly.

The chanting about Rose's wife was bang out of order last night. Was ashamed to be a Town fan. The performance wasn't much cop either.

The mixed form and cond confidence of the Town as a team, but also the individuals in the teams, is inexplicable. How the same players can produce quite such differing performances? Players who can pass to feet, suddenly decide to hoof the ball instead. I know there is a lot of talk of the changes in team line up, but the "individuals" need to work on their own game - the rest will follow.

It was the worst performance from a Town team that I`ve seen for a long time..

peatmoor pirate wrote:
The chanting about Rose's wife was bang out of order last night. Was ashamed to be a Town fan. The performance wasn't much cop either.

Couldn't agree more. I too was disgusted and ashamed to be in the Town End with this chanting. A bit of barracking for a former player, OK, but this was going too far. Anyone involved in the chanting like to come on here and defend themselves?

castle9 wrote:
This article sums it up very accurately, couldn't agree more.

I can only think it was an elaborate plan to lull the Villa scouts into a false sense of security.

Need to move on quickly.

I don't know about the Villa scount, but I had a chat with a Coventry one in the legend after the game, His thoughts were snuff out any threats from the wings and we are a very average team.

BorisIsTheSpider wrote:

peatmoor pirate wrote:
The chanting about Rose's wife was bang out of order last night. Was ashamed to be a Town fan. The performance wasn't much cop either.

Couldn't agree more. I too was disgusted and ashamed to be in the Town End with this chanting. A bit of barracking for a former player, OK, but this was going too far. Anyone involved in the chanting like to come on here and defend themselves?

It was fine until, rose wound the fans up. He'd got very little grief until that point.

It would never started if he'd of keep his head after scoring the goal.

He is a paid professional and should no better to wind up the crowd. The ref even felt it appropriate to have a word in his ear.

What about the songs about putting Oxford fans on a bonfire or constables head on a piece of string - do they embarrass you aswell???

I won't condone abusive chanting but players don't do themselves any favours by making smug cupped-ear gestures to the most hostile section of our supporters.

Custodian wrote:
I won't condone abusive chanting but players don't do themselves any favours by making smug cupped-ear gestures to the most hostile section of our supporters.

You called it absolutely right Custodian, The abuse to him was not evident until he cupped his ear and then throwing his arms in the air, Another Andy Monkhouse I'm afraid who revel in baiting the home support.

I said in a post before the game we needed to be careful not to give away stupid free kick within 30 yards of goals and we did just that to give Rose his moment of glory. He is not a very good defender, but his one asset is his free kicks. ( an asset we are sadly missing), he took full advantage of some poor defending and did what he does best.

Ritchie was given bags of room to do some damage to him but unfortunately he was very quiet by his standards and that I think can be attribruted to the non-existent support from Besonne. But that's another dtory.

BorisIsTheSpider wrote:

peatmoor pirate wrote:
The chanting about Rose's wife was bang out of order last night. Was ashamed to be a Town fan. The performance wasn't much cop either.

Couldn't agree more. I too was disgusted and ashamed to be in the Town End with this chanting. A bit of barracking for a former player, OK, but this was going too far. Anyone involved in the chanting like to come on here and defend themselves?

Rose knew exactly what he was doing and what the response would be when he stared winding the crowd up. Anyone who expects the fans not to react when a player does something like that is very naive.

Personally, I refrained from booing him to start with - I try not to boo former players unless there's a really good reason - but when he started being a silly boy I felt it was legitimate for myself and other fans to react. He made a rod for his own back.

Redhouse Red wrote:

BorisIsTheSpider wrote:

peatmoor pirate wrote:
The chanting about Rose's wife was bang out of order last night. Was ashamed to be a Town fan. The performance wasn't much cop either.

Couldn't agree more. I too was disgusted and ashamed to be in the Town End with this chanting. A bit of barracking for a former player, OK, but this was going too far. Anyone involved in the chanting like to come on here and defend themselves?

It was fine until, rose wound the fans up. He'd got very little grief until that point.

It would never started if he'd of keep his head after scoring the goal.

He is a paid professional and should no better to wind up the crowd. The ref even felt it appropriate to have a word in his ear.

What about the songs about putting Oxford fans on a bonfire or constables head on a piece of string - do they embarrass you aswell???

Redhouse, a good point and well made. I fully respect your views. And I have to say that, believe it or not, I did not see Rose winding everybody up. So, yes, he did bring this upon himself to a degree. But I still think it went too far. And as for your point about Oxford fans or other similar chants, no I don't ever join in with these. Because they are the flip side to the coin of the boorish behaviouir of so-called professional footballers. You can call me old-fashioned, but the chanting last night came from the same mentality that has Liverpool and Man Utd fans chanting slurrs about the clubs' respective disasters. And players' behaviour does little to help the situation. I had to think hard about attending last night, having cancelled my Sky Sports because I no longer want to support a sport that promotes the worst in human behaviour. So question me all you like, but I am not going to be a hypocrite.

The chanting was comical, although i understand how some may have thought it was out of order (Arkles season ticket holders?)

Ike has been said, Rose just tipped everyone over the edge, we had seen a rubbish performance from Town, frustration was high with everyone, then he goes over the top celebrating his goal, then starts bating the fans!

He brought it on himself.

BorisIsTheSpider wrote:

Redhouse Red wrote:

BorisIsTheSpider wrote:

peatmoor pirate wrote: The chanting about Rose's wife was bang out of order last night. Was ashamed to be a Town fan. The performance wasn't much cop either.

Couldn't agree more. I too was disgusted and ashamed to be in the Town End with this chanting. A bit of barracking for a former player, OK, but this was going too far. Anyone involved in the chanting like to come on here and defend themselves?

It was fine until, rose wound the fans up. He'd got very little grief until that point. It would never started if he'd of keep his head after scoring the goal. He is a paid professional and should no better to wind up the crowd. The ref even felt it appropriate to have a word in his ear. What about the songs about putting Oxford fans on a bonfire or constables head on a piece of string - do they embarrass you aswell???

Redhouse, a good point and well made. I fully respect your views. And I have to say that, believe it or not, I did not see Rose winding everybody up. So, yes, he did bring this upon himself to a degree. But I still think it went too far. And as for your point about Oxford fans or other similar chants, no I don't ever join in with these. Because they are the flip side to the coin of the boorish behaviouir of so-called professional footballers. You can call me old-fashioned, but the chanting last night came from the same mentality that has Liverpool and Man Utd fans chanting slurrs about the clubs' respective disasters. And players' behaviour does little to help the situation. I had to think hard about attending last night, having cancelled my Sky Sports because I no longer want to support a sport that promotes the worst in human behaviour. So question me all you like, but I am not going to be a hypocrite.

Sounds to me like somebody being a bit dramatic....

Is that you Lovesey wrote:

BorisIsTheSpider wrote:

Redhouse Red wrote:

BorisIsTheSpider wrote:

peatmoor pirate wrote: The chanting about Rose's wife was bang out of order last night. Was ashamed to be a Town fan. The performance wasn't much cop either.

Couldn't agree more. I too was disgusted and ashamed to be in the Town End with this chanting. A bit of barracking for a former player, OK, but this was going too far. Anyone involved in the chanting like to come on here and defend themselves?

It was fine until, rose wound the fans up. He'd got very little grief until that point. It would never started if he'd of keep his head after scoring the goal. He is a paid professional and should no better to wind up the crowd. The ref even felt it appropriate to have a word in his ear. What about the songs about putting Oxford fans on a bonfire or constables head on a piece of string - do they embarrass you aswell???

Redhouse, a good point and well made. I fully respect your views. And I have to say that, believe it or not, I did not see Rose winding everybody up. So, yes, he did bring this upon himself to a degree. But I still think it went too far. And as for your point about Oxford fans or other similar chants, no I don't ever join in with these. Because they are the flip side to the coin of the boorish behaviouir of so-called professional footballers. You can call me old-fashioned, but the chanting last night came from the same mentality that has Liverpool and Man Utd fans chanting slurrs about the clubs' respective disasters. And players' behaviour does little to help the situation. I had to think hard about attending last night, having cancelled my Sky Sports because I no longer want to support a sport that promotes the worst in human behaviour. So question me all you like, but I am not going to be a hypocrite.

Sounds to me like somebody being a bit dramatic....

Q E D

Fans who chant offensive comments are simply silly and immature. The majority follow one or two idiots without a thought about what is coming out of their mouths. I guess it's a herd instinct. It's worrying though - not just for Swindon Town or football in general but above all for the society which we live in.

I don't know what it is about football fans. I sometimes go and watch London Irish or Bath rugby and I've never heard a chant of that type.

Was there any reason why Rose's wife was coming in for abuse? Singing song's about her being on the game and getting 'Austined' seemed a bit harsh, despite Rose not helping himself with his goal celebrations.

2 points: Firstly, the game – anyone who has ever played competitive football at any level will have experienced a game like this at some point, where nothing you do goes right, no matter how hard you try. The only reason to boo one of your own players is if they are seen to be not giving it their all………..did that apply to any of our players last night? Absolutely not – yet a minority of fans could be heard booing both at half time and full time.
In my opinion, we currently have a number of players in our squad who are ‘confidence’ players – who need to know that we, the fans, are on their side and 100% behind them for as long as they give everything to the cause.
All of our players gave everything last night – it’s just that whatever they tried, it went wrong.
We’ve got much more chance of making the County Ground a ‘fortress’ if we get behind the team 100%.

Secondly, the chanting about Michael Rose. To begin with, in all honesty, why does anyone bother doing this anyway? What does anyone think that it achieves? If everyone had ignored Rose’s presence on the pitch yesterday, it would’ve underlined that the bloke was an absolute nobody for us. A player who simply never really performed. By booing him, it makes him think that he was a somebody and that we actually care that he’s gone.
When the crowd gave Charlie Austin stick last week, again, what did they think they would achieve? The bloke is a quality player – why are we trying to wind him up?
The next time one of our ex players pitches up at the County Ground, let’s simply ignore him, assume that he’s taken a backward step in leaving us and not let him know that we care in the slightest that he’s gone.

I don't know why this seems strange or out of the ordinary to regular football goers,its being going on for as long as i can remember and probably a lot longer than that,for example ask Elton John or Mick Mills to name just a couple from yesteryear who got barracked at the County Ground.I was in the Arkells and a few gave him a little bit of booing just before he took the free kick and scored,hence he put his hands to his ears (i would of probably done the same) and then got caned,it didn't make me ashamed to be a Town fan and Rose actually had the last laugh,i'm sure he left more than happy (for the second time).

BorisIsTheSpider wrote:

Redhouse Red wrote:

BorisIsTheSpider wrote:

peatmoor pirate wrote: The chanting about Rose's wife was bang out of order last night. Was ashamed to be a Town fan. The performance wasn't much cop either.

Couldn't agree more. I too was disgusted and ashamed to be in the Town End with this chanting. A bit of barracking for a former player, OK, but this was going too far. Anyone involved in the chanting like to come on here and defend themselves?

It was fine until, rose wound the fans up. He'd got very little grief until that point. It would never started if he'd of keep his head after scoring the goal. He is a paid professional and should no better to wind up the crowd. The ref even felt it appropriate to have a word in his ear. What about the songs about putting Oxford fans on a bonfire or constables head on a piece of string - do they embarrass you aswell???

Redhouse, a good point and well made. I fully respect your views. And I have to say that, believe it or not, I did not see Rose winding everybody up. So, yes, he did bring this upon himself to a degree. But I still think it went too far. And as for your point about Oxford fans or other similar chants, no I don't ever join in with these. Because they are the flip side to the coin of the boorish behaviouir of so-called professional footballers. You can call me old-fashioned, but the chanting last night came from the same mentality that has Liverpool and Man Utd fans chanting slurrs about the clubs' respective disasters. And players' behaviour does little to help the situation. I had to think hard about attending last night, having cancelled my Sky Sports because I no longer want to support a sport that promotes the worst in human behaviour. So question me all you like, but I am not going to be a hypocrite.

"A sport that promotes the worst in human behaviour"?

Ok, disagree with chants of a personal nature, don't join in with them, find them distasteful, that's your right and I'm not even disagreeing with your position, but wasn't the above a bit overblown? I mean we're not talking genocide/rape/tortur
e/etc, we're talking a few blokes taking the mick out of a player on a pitch and making fools of themselves in the process.

BorisIsTheSpider wrote:

Redhouse Red wrote:

BorisIsTheSpider wrote:

peatmoor pirate wrote: The chanting about Rose's wife was bang out of order last night. Was ashamed to be a Town fan. The performance wasn't much cop either.

Couldn't agree more. I too was disgusted and ashamed to be in the Town End with this chanting. A bit of barracking for a former player, OK, but this was going too far. Anyone involved in the chanting like to come on here and defend themselves?

It was fine until, rose wound the fans up. He'd got very little grief until that point. It would never started if he'd of keep his head after scoring the goal. He is a paid professional and should no better to wind up the crowd. The ref even felt it appropriate to have a word in his ear. What about the songs about putting Oxford fans on a bonfire or constables head on a piece of string - do they embarrass you aswell???

Redhouse, a good point and well made. I fully respect your views. And I have to say that, believe it or not, I did not see Rose winding everybody up. So, yes, he did bring this upon himself to a degree. But I still think it went too far. And as for your point about Oxford fans or other similar chants, no I don't ever join in with these. Because they are the flip side to the coin of the boorish behaviouir of so-called professional footballers. You can call me old-fashioned, but the chanting last night came from the same mentality that has Liverpool and Man Utd fans chanting slurrs about the clubs' respective disasters. And players' behaviour does little to help the situation. I had to think hard about attending last night, having cancelled my Sky Sports because I no longer want to support a sport that promotes the worst in human behaviour. So question me all you like, but I am not going to be a hypocrite.

we (the town end) are the ones who always sing and get the players going rose was out of order no one had realy said anything about him intill he started waving his hands in the air at the town end. instead of singing about his missus would you rather someone get on the pitch and punch which i think a lot of people wanted to do? thought not get over it and stop sticking up for t**ts like that your a swindon fan and he was mocking us .

Swindon1984 wrote:

BorisIsTheSpider wrote:

Redhouse Red wrote:

BorisIsTheSpider wrote:

peatmoor pirate wrote: The chanting about Rose's wife was bang out of order last night. Was ashamed to be a Town fan. The performance wasn't much cop either.

Couldn't agree more. I too was disgusted and ashamed to be in the Town End with this chanting. A bit of barracking for a former player, OK, but this was going too far. Anyone involved in the chanting like to come on here and defend themselves?

It was fine until, rose wound the fans up. He'd got very little grief until that point. It would never started if he'd of keep his head after scoring the goal. He is a paid professional and should no better to wind up the crowd. The ref even felt it appropriate to have a word in his ear. What about the songs about putting Oxford fans on a bonfire or constables head on a piece of string - do they embarrass you aswell???

Redhouse, a good point and well made. I fully respect your views. And I have to say that, believe it or not, I did not see Rose winding everybody up. So, yes, he did bring this upon himself to a degree. But I still think it went too far. And as for your point about Oxford fans or other similar chants, no I don't ever join in with these. Because they are the flip side to the coin of the boorish behaviouir of so-called professional footballers. You can call me old-fashioned, but the chanting last night came from the same mentality that has Liverpool and Man Utd fans chanting slurrs about the clubs' respective disasters. And players' behaviour does little to help the situation. I had to think hard about attending last night, having cancelled my Sky Sports because I no longer want to support a sport that promotes the worst in human behaviour. So question me all you like, but I am not going to be a hypocrite.

"A sport that promotes the worst in human behaviour"?

Ok, disagree with chants of a personal nature, don't join in with them, find them distasteful, that's your right and I'm not even disagreeing with your position, but wasn't the above a bit overblown? I mean we're not talking genocide/rape/tortur

e/etc, we're talking a few blokes taking the mick out of a player on a pitch and making fools of themselves in the process.

OK, Swindon 1984. Thanks for your reasoned response to my posts - it certainly made me think about my views. But I have not changed them. I was referring essentially to greed (players) and hatred (fans) which I think you will agree are quite nasty features of human behaviour. All of which I have been considering in contrast to the 'spirit of the Olympics' which was mentioned on these forums by many others earlier in the year. Thanks everyone for your views - I fully respect all those of people who actually bothered to properly read and understand my posts. We have probably done this to death now, so I will bow out of the debate.

Lone Wolf wrote:
Fans who chant offensive comments are simply silly and immature. The majority follow one or two idiots without a thought about what is coming out of their mouths. I guess it's a herd instinct. It's worrying though - not just for Swindon Town or football in general but above all for the society which we live in.

I don't know what it is about football fans. I sometimes go and watch London Irish or Bath rugby and I've never heard a chant of that type.

You don't hear any chants at Bath apart from 'c'mon barff'! You should go to Gloucester if you want some rugby atmosphere ( as long as STFC are not playing).

Agree with your other commentys though and its a shame the crowd did not get behingd the team from the start of the game - as the atmosphere was like a morgue attimes.

A bit of volume and the result may have been different.

I served my time in the Town End and I made a lot more noise than most of those in there currently!!

Totally agree with Wiz on the match day thread no plan B and Colchester did their homework and 5 in midfield nullified our wingers and their closing down play was excellent and so we had no time on the ball.Obviously the worry will be other teams watching this and the Orient game will try and copy this and then we will be in trouble. One massive appeal to Mr Di Canio is get Aden Flint back in the side wins 95 % of his headers and commands his area unlike TAH last night who was very poor and his distribution was even worse. After seeing TAH and Ward I have no doubt that Flint is by far the best out of the three and McCormack picks himself at the moment although as others say I would like to see Flint paired with Ward or TAH amd beef up the midfield with Macca as last night we were totally over run. Surely though as a manager Paolo must have noted we were getting nowhere and should have bought Bostock on and matched their 5 in the middle to combat their tactics.We could easily have taken off Bessone who was shocking and gone three at the back last 15 mins. Come on Paolo don't start doing a Wilson another guy who had no plan B. Just wonder how many fans guessed Rose was going to score from one of those silly free kicks given around our box. I certainly did and predicted it spot on when he scored. The players will look to Paolo for guidance when things are not going right on the pitch and it seemed even Paolo was unable to help matters last night and took off Benson who at least was winning some headers and after that we hardly had a sniff. The game was crying out for Bostock last night a player who is supposed to offer us a change of direction and the poor guy still never got on. Why go after the player and pursue him for so long then Paolo.

Just read the silliness on Facebook about Rose. Guarantee those idiots are not town fans, but sick idiots. Cancer? Even with our fiercest fiotballing rivalries, they're still just rivalries, and I wish no-one any real harm. Angry about this, makes us all look bad.

I've just seen this - how moronic can people be? Sickening.

mikek wrote:
Totally agree with Wiz on the match day thread no plan B and Colchester did their homework and 5 in midfield nullified our wingers and their closing down play was excellent and so we had no time on the ball.Obviously the worry will be other teams watching this and the Orient game will try and copy this and then we will be in trouble. One massive appeal to Mr Di Canio is get Aden Flint back in the side wins 95 % of his headers and commands his area unlike TAH last night who was very poor and his distribution was even worse. After seeing TAH and Ward I have no doubt that Flint is by far the best out of the three and McCormack picks himself at the moment although as others say I would like to see Flint paired with Ward or TAH amd beef up the midfield with Macca as last night we were totally over run. Surely though as a manager Paolo must have noted we were getting nowhere and should have bought Bostock on and matched their 5 in the middle to combat their tactics.We could easily have taken off Bessone who was shocking and gone three at the back last 15 mins. Come on Paolo don't start doing a Wilson another guy who had no plan B. Just wonder how many fans guessed Rose was going to score from one of those silly free kicks given around our box. I certainly did and predicted it spot on when he scored. The players will look to Paolo for guidance when things are not going right on the pitch and it seemed even Paolo was unable to help matters last night and took off Benson who at least was winning some headers and after that we hardly had a sniff. The game was crying out for Bostock last night a player who is supposed to offer us a change of direction and the poor guy still never got on. Why go after the player and pursue him for so long then Paolo.

It is strange how we went out of our way to pursue Bostock and he's now not getting a look in. Have to assume Paolo know's something we don't though, he clearly picks the team he feels will give us the best chance of getting a result, and on the whole he's been getting it right. We should really be getting a minimum of a draw in all our home games though, can't see any reason why that's no achievable.