Abbott failed in Roberts bid (From The Wiltshire Gazette and Herald)

Fair play, cheers Abbott.

He tiped us before the season started.

Shame some of our matchday thread posters couldn't see we were a good good side!

nice to see credit were credit is due an' all that

Some thread posters should really be manager themselves, far more knowledge than some of these muppets running football clubs. ;-)

Exmouth_red69 wrote:
Some thread posters should really be manager themselves, far more knowledge than some of these muppets running football clubs. ;-)

You mean playing Championship Manager on a laptop doesn't qualify you as a coach? That's going to be a big disappointment to some.

Roberts does look a good buy, good to see him in the side Saturday. We need a cutting edge, someone who wants to run with the ball (as opposed to the latter days under Wilson when we looked scared to have the ball at our feet, or receive a pass). If you build it (the play) they will come (the goals).

Swindon1984 wrote:

Exmouth_red69 wrote:
Some thread posters should really be manager themselves, far more knowledge than some of these muppets running football clubs. ;-)

You mean playing Championship Manager on a laptop doesn't qualify you as a coach? That's going to be a big disappointment to some.

Roberts does look a good buy, good to see him in the side Saturday. We need a cutting edge, someone who wants to run with the ball (as opposed to the latter days under Wilson when we looked scared to have the ball at our feet, or receive a pass). If you build it (the play) they will come (the goals).

I'm Cr4p at CM as well..!?...but like everyone over a pint I know better than any top Premiership manager!...don't I?
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Love this game!! :-)

SAPFanSTFC wrote:

Swindon1984 wrote:

Exmouth_red69 wrote:
Some thread posters should really be manager themselves, far more knowledge than some of these muppets running football clubs. ;-)

You mean playing Championship Manager on a laptop doesn't qualify you as a coach? That's going to be a big disappointment to some.

Roberts does look a good buy, good to see him in the side Saturday. We need a cutting edge, someone who wants to run with the ball (as opposed to the latter days under Wilson when we looked scared to have the ball at our feet, or receive a pass). If you build it (the play) they will come (the goals).

I'm Cr4p at CM as well..!?...but like everyone over a pint I know better than any top Premiership manager!...don't I?
..
Love this game!! :-)

Hello Sap hope you are well mate,someone should of put 2v2 eh haha,

LR and others who love to play the high and mighty,others are entitled to have a opinion and do you know what, it will not always be in accordance to you`re own, leave the point scoring and cheap shots for Aldi's or Lidl`s :O)

Steve. Brentford wrote:

SAPFanSTFC wrote:

Swindon1984 wrote:

Exmouth_red69 wrote:
Some thread posters should really be manager themselves, far more knowledge than some of these muppets running football clubs. ;-)

You mean playing Championship Manager on a laptop doesn't qualify you as a coach? That's going to be a big disappointment to some.

Roberts does look a good buy, good to see him in the side Saturday. We need a cutting edge, someone who wants to run with the ball (as opposed to the latter days under Wilson when we looked scared to have the ball at our feet, or receive a pass). If you build it (the play) they will come (the goals).

I'm Cr4p at CM as well..!?...but like everyone over a pint I know better than any top Premiership manager!...don't I?
..
Love this game!! :-)

Hello Sap hope you are well mate,someone should of put 2v2 eh haha,

LR and others who love to play the high and mighty,others are entitled to have a opinion and do you know what, it will not always be in accordance to you`re own, leave the point scoring and cheap shots for Aldi's or Lidl`s :O)

Come on Steve, let's get this clear. It's OK to have a strong view, as long as it's the same strong view as PDC's. And it's OK to make a negative comment about the players, as long as they are the same players that PDC criticises in public. But woe betide any people who have the cheek to form a view of their own.

Oi Den! wrote:

Steve. Brentford wrote:

SAPFanSTFC wrote:

Swindon1984 wrote:

Exmouth_red69 wrote:
Some thread posters should really be manager themselves, far more knowledge than some of these muppets running football clubs. ;-)

You mean playing Championship Manager on a laptop doesn't qualify you as a coach? That's going to be a big disappointment to some.

Roberts does look a good buy, good to see him in the side Saturday. We need a cutting edge, someone who wants to run with the ball (as opposed to the latter days under Wilson when we looked scared to have the ball at our feet, or receive a pass). If you build it (the play) they will come (the goals).

I'm Cr4p at CM as well..!?...but like everyone over a pint I know better than any top Premiership manager!...don't I?
..
Love this game!! :-)

Hello Sap hope you are well mate,someone should of put 2v2 eh haha,

LR and others who love to play the high and mighty,others are entitled to have a opinion and do you know what, it will not always be in accordance to you`re own, leave the point scoring and cheap shots for Aldi's or Lidl`s :O)

Come on Steve, let's get this clear. It's OK to have a strong view, as long as it's the same strong view as PDC's. And it's OK to make a negative comment about the players, as long as they are the same players that PDC criticises in public. But woe betide any people who have the cheek to form a view of their own.

You know Den!

SAPFanSTFC wrote:

Swindon1984 wrote:

Exmouth_red69 wrote: Some thread posters should really be manager themselves, far more knowledge than some of these muppets running football clubs. ;-)

You mean playing Championship Manager on a laptop doesn't qualify you as a coach? That's going to be a big disappointment to some. Roberts does look a good buy, good to see him in the side Saturday. We need a cutting edge, someone who wants to run with the ball (as opposed to the latter days under Wilson when we looked scared to have the ball at our feet, or receive a pass). If you build it (the play) they will come (the goals).

I'm Cr4p at CM as well..!?...but like everyone over a pint I know better than any top Premiership manager!...don't I? .. Love this game!! :-)

Oh yeah, we're all guilty of it from time to time, just occasionally need to remember the professionals are professionals for a reason.

It's easy to criticise - fun too! :-)

Is this the same man who along with cadamatteri said the circus was rolling into town?.
Two faced or what
Onwards and upwards

Don't see why I was brought into this slagging match?
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I have no issues with others have views - that is the whole point of a debate - I still don't get why some think I have an issue with it? If I don't agree I will say so - thats all
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The only time I have an issues is when someone can't be asked to do any sort of research and makes ridiculous incorrect statements
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If a poster takes the behind close door view for all fine - that their view - but they also have to accept that others will not agree - its a two way street!
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What bus me is the double standards and that certain posters not liking their favourite critised - rather than PdC Criticising fullstop!
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I guarantee had this season not seen Caddis, Flint and Wes in limelight but say Risser, Luke Rooney and Devera - the amount of objections would have been minimal!
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I'll admit I have agreed with PdC on all the major points - however, that is not just because he said it
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but simply because in each case I have ignored all the rants, over the top media hype etc etc and looked just at the point in question - and then the underlying incident PdC stance has been right (IMO)
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Caddis admitted turning up unfit and blamed his kid - he then missed days and turned up late - so PdC was right to strip him of the captaincy - end of
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Wes was wrong to blame others and react the way he did to a subbing - desrved his fine end of
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Flint - said before don't agree PdC actually slated him - he simply said he was at fault for a goal - so what happens all the time - Abbott blamed his CBs for our goals on Sat!

LR, it's not a slanging match. You do give the impression that you will take PDC's line on everything, whether the facts are fully known or not.
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Take the Caddis situation for example. None of us knows exactly what went on. I doubt that the picture is anywhere near as clear cut as you suggest. I was never a huge fan of Caddis (unlike some people, who seemed to adore him but turn on him as soon as he fell out with PDC) so there is no bias in my point. There seems little doubt that Caddis lapsed, but the fact that he went straight into the Birmingham side and had a good game seems to show that his fitness couldn't have been that bad. Maybe if PDC was a little less intransigent, the situation could have been resolved? I have to say though that I think PDC may have already reached the conclusion that although Caddis is a neat and tidy footballer, he is not a defender. It could be that this incident provided a convenient turning point in their relationship.
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Foderingham - again he was clearly at fault in more ways than one. He deserved to be punished. I don't think that is really in dispute. It was the public nature of the punishment that I found left a sour taste.
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I don't think criticism of PDC should be taken as anti-PDC feeling. It's all about what feels right. And I am sure he has not been competely right (or completely wrong) in any of these recent incidents.

I agree and have said that he does need to change a few aspects
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What I have always said though is I look beyond those extreme parts most focus on and simply look at the underlying issue and make my decision based on that
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I know and Wes knows PdC does not think he is the worst professional ever!
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PdC should have waited and simply done the "sky interview" where he was a lot calmer and most of this hoo-haa would not have happened
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But we all know that won't happen so we just have to live with it - Wes seems to have!
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As for Caddis - I personally think the fact the likes of Macca, McEveley, RDV and Wes have been though situations like Drinkgate and Waterbottle gate yet are still main players in our team - shows disputes can be resolved
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Remember Caddis was told the door is open - not given an ultimatum like Wes!
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I just don't understand how he can go from being the role model and praising everything going on to the problem child and slagging it all off now - without clearly having his head turned and decided he wanted out!
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I think the fact Caddis had his agent ringing around to find a new club and the lack of desire shown to get back into the team clearly suggests he didn't want to be here - so all those if Caddis was here posters should take a long hard look at that part!
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He could have simply come out apologised and said he will work hard to make up the lost fitness - if he had he probably would have got straight back in like Wes - but he didn't!
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Instead he publically provoked the situation by having a go at PdC over it
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I still think Caddis is a good fullback and would prefer him in our team over Devera quality wise
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But attitude and desire wise - no way anymore - Devera wins hands down
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I'm sorry but that lack of commitmtent shown by him is not for me at STFC

LR, all I am saying is that I think there is usually more to these things than meets the eye. All we know for sure is that two men had a fall-out and they both gave their version of events publicly. We could have done without both but Caddis chose to defend his reputation in public, having had it tarnished in public. I think most of us would have done the same.

Funny way of defending it by openly admitting to what appratenly caused offense!
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Granted the over the top postings about his girlfriend not being able to cope, being depressed, giving him grief, demaning a move up north or to Scotland etc were unwarranted and I'm with him defending that element of the situation
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However - he didn't do that!
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Had he simply came out and said leave my family alone fair enough
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He instead chose to have a go at PdC for "bringing his family into it" - yet he had already openly admitted that he did come back unfit and told PdC it was because he had a baby - so what PdC said was therefore, actually true!

Sorry LR, but I still think it's less about the detail than about two blokes simply being no longer able to work with each other. And I maintain that there will surely have been right and wrong on both sides, as there would have been with Timlin, Clarke, Tehoue, Montano (spelling?), Foderingham and whoever is next.

Maybe more wil come out - maybe it won't
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I said before if it doesna dn I'm wrong I hold my hands up - but I don't see it as 2 people falling out
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I simply think Caddis wanted out - more money? easier life - certainly - but as he had his contract extended he had little option but to force a move
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He could have simply handed in a transfer request - but then he would have been the "villian"
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So I think he took the route he did to get out and be the "victim" - which if you read lots of the posts he is!

Oi Den! wrote:
Sorry LR, but I still think it's less about the detail than about two blokes simply being no longer able to work with each other. And I maintain that there will surely have been right and wrong on both sides, as there would have been with Timlin, Clarke, Tehoue, Montano (spelling?), Foderingham and whoever is next.

Inclined to agree that there's ususally more than one side to the story, and there'll always have been more said and done than we'll be told.

Also agree that sometimes there'll be a total breakdown in communication between player and manager and no matter who's right or wrong, something has to give. PDC is the boss and from his perspective if he loses one of the players, he runs the risk of losing them all (especially when the problem's with the captain) so for the team as a whole, he needs to cut out that element. Doesn't necessarilly mean the player was completely at fault, but if you can no longer work with someone, your position becomes untenable (i.e. either you go or he goes). Could just be certain players have been at the centre of some situations where either manager or player needed to walk in order for the team to continue to operate. And PDC's going nowhere :-)