Troy is making waves (From The Wiltshire Gazette and Herald)

if he is fully fit he has got to start ahead of flint even tho he was man of the match saturday which i think was a joke, as he was good in the air but he let the ball go strait under his foot to there player who put the ball away which cost us the game again 2 costly mistakes in 2 games, and would like to see thompson get a start i make the stoke game but listening to it on the radio he aparently played realy well when he came on and hasnt featured sinse and after dever's performance on saturday il be suprised if he gets the nod..

pdc does wot he wants wrote:
if he is fully fit he has got to start ahead of flint even tho he was man of the match saturday which i think was a joke, as he was good in the air but he let the ball go strait under his foot to there player who put the ball away which cost us the game again 2 costly mistakes in 2 games, and would like to see thompson get a start i make the stoke game but listening to it on the radio he aparently played realy well when he came on and hasnt featured sinse and after dever's performance on saturday il be suprised if he gets the nod..

should say i didnt make the stoke game

pdc does wot he wants wrote:

pdc does wot he wants wrote:
if he is fully fit he has got to start ahead of flint even tho he was man of the match saturday which i think was a joke, as he was good in the air but he let the ball go strait under his foot to there player who put the ball away which cost us the game again 2 costly mistakes in 2 games, and would like to see thompson get a start i make the stoke game but listening to it on the radio he aparently played realy well when he came on and hasnt featured sinse and after dever's performance on saturday il be suprised if he gets the nod..

should say i didnt make the stoke game

I went to the stoke match and yes he played well when he came on he even won a header with crouch

jayden wrote:

pdc does wot he wants wrote:

pdc does wot he wants wrote:
if he is fully fit he has got to start ahead of flint even tho he was man of the match saturday which i think was a joke, as he was good in the air but he let the ball go strait under his foot to there player who put the ball away which cost us the game again 2 costly mistakes in 2 games, and would like to see thompson get a start i make the stoke game but listening to it on the radio he aparently played realy well when he came on and hasnt featured sinse and after dever's performance on saturday il be suprised if he gets the nod..

should say i didnt make the stoke game

I went to the stoke match and yes he played well when he came on he even won a header with crouch

Against crouch

Breaking News ! TAH joins the Thamesdown Tigersharks , and Adam Rooney has grown a ginger beard . Good ol adver .

EastleazeRed wrote:
Breaking News ! TAH joins the Thamesdown Tigersharks , and Adam Rooney has grown a ginger beard . Good ol adver .

Gosh ! Tell us more !

pdc does wot he wants wrote:
if he is fully fit he has got to start ahead of flint even tho he was man of the match saturday which i think was a joke, as he was good in the air but he let the ball go strait under his foot to there player who put the ball away which cost us the game again 2 costly mistakes in 2 games, and would like to see thompson get a start i make the stoke game but listening to it on the radio he aparently played realy well when he came on and hasnt featured sinse and after dever's performance on saturday il be suprised if he gets the nod..

Yep agree with all that mate. Troy certainly looked class when I've seen him play.
Thommo also did really well and created a corner from which we scored. I really hope that the lad plays at R/B because Joe has looked a bit shaky in his preferred position in the last couple of games.
I hope Di Canio is close to finding his best eleven, only problem I have is on the left midfield. Raffa has been playing really well but will he keep his place when Robbo is fit, the latter looked real quality before injury.

PdC does I'm glad someone else agrees with me over Flint be at fault for the goal - each time I see a replay it looks worse and worse!
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I also agree it is time Thompson was given a run - like Kennedy last year this is his make or break season so needs a spell in he side to see which it is

Devera's preferred position is CB he has always said that

Roberts will start 100% - in a recent interview with PdC he stressed how important Roberts and Ritchie are to our style of play - he was signed to start

Is'nt this refreshing. With the lack of a mid-week game, we can get down discussing the real issues surrounding the Town without the football getting in the way.

At least we only have the one article on the subject today, although I do think the Adver has missed a trick here.

There is an important debate to be had, as to what floatational aids TAH is using, or should be using. What is the best water temperature, colour and density to give the best bouyancy for someone learning to swim.

Com'on Adver - sort yourselves out.

London Red wrote:
PdC does I'm glad someone else agrees with me over Flint be at fault for the goal - each time I see a replay it looks worse and worse!
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I also agree it is time Thompson was given a run - like Kennedy last year this is his make or break season so needs a spell in he side to see which it is

Your as bad as PDC London Red,singling out young Flint for a mistake,who's to blame for that shambles of a performance at Preston?then that Awful performance when we were totally outplayed by at best a very average Orient team?the manager and the players as a team,you win as a team and lose as a team,in the end the Buck stops with the Manager he takes the blame,it's his team he picks the players.

In other news , is there any truth in the rumour that Di Canio has fallen out with mc corrmack or just more sh1t stirring ? saying that mc corrmack has been poor the last few games.

EastleazeRed wrote:
In other news , is there any truth in the rumour that Di Canio has fallen out with mc corrmack or just more sh1t stirring ? saying that mc corrmack has been poor the last few games.

I hope we never find out. I hope that PDC has learned that criticism of a player is for that player only and none of our business. I thought that the concept of respect is important to Italians. PDC demands loyalty and respect from his players. I was always taught that the way to lead is by example. I hope we have seen the last of his hissy fits to the press. What he said about young Wes was disgraceful. Wes should not have kicked the bottle in temper and gone and sat in the stands but PDC should have given him the hairdryer in his office -not ranted to the press.

As a side note, I must admit I was extremely disappointed in seeing an interview with Paul Caddis yesterday in which he talked about PdC's "nonsense". His "nonsense" was perfectly acceptable to you when he made you captain and you won the league Mr.Caddis!

mike1990 wrote:

London Red wrote:
PdC does I'm glad someone else agrees with me over Flint be at fault for the goal - each time I see a replay it looks worse and worse!
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I also agree it is time Thompson was given a run - like Kennedy last year this is his make or break season so needs a spell in he side to see which it is

Your as bad as PDC London Red,singling out young Flint for a mistake,who's to blame for that shambles of a performance at Preston?then that Awful performance when we were totally outplayed by at best a very average Orient team?the manager and the players as a team,you win as a team and lose as a team,in the end the Buck stops with the Manager he takes the blame,it's his team he picks the players.

Completely agree Mike. I think we've got to get away from this nonsense of making scapegoats of players who make a single mistake. I'm away at the moment so wasn't there on Saturday but from all accounts it seems clear to me that Orient were better than us in all departments, which surely means that there were mistakes being made by our players all over the pitch? I remain convinced that Flint is a star in the making. He is still young and far from the finished product. PDC will assist his progress more by nurturing his talent than by criticising him in public like he did last week.

Oh dear oh dear still going over the same stuff.

Ritchie signs an extension to his contract 24 comments, Paolo has a go at Sir Wes where the main word in the quote left out, 300 plus.

I support
You support (do you?)
He/she supports (do you?)

etc etc.

zzzzzzzzz

Oi Den! wrote:

mike1990 wrote:

London Red wrote:
PdC does I'm glad someone else agrees with me over Flint be at fault for the goal - each time I see a replay it looks worse and worse!
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I also agree it is time Thompson was given a run - like Kennedy last year this is his make or break season so needs a spell in he side to see which it is

Your as bad as PDC London Red,singling out young Flint for a mistake,who's to blame for that shambles of a performance at Preston?then that Awful performance when we were totally outplayed by at best a very average Orient team?the manager and the players as a team,you win as a team and lose as a team,in the end the Buck stops with the Manager he takes the blame,it's his team he picks the players.

Completely agree Mike. I think we've got to get away from this nonsense of making scapegoats of players who make a single mistake. I'm away at the moment so wasn't there on Saturday but from all accounts it seems clear to me that Orient were better than us in all departments, which surely means that there were mistakes being made by our players all over the pitch? I remain convinced that Flint is a star in the making. He is still young and far from the finished product. PDC will assist his progress more by nurturing his talent than by criticising him in public like he did last week.

I am glad Aden got MoM against Orient even though he let the ball go that led to the goal. Apart from the mistake, he had a great game. It's always harder for a goalie or a defender because one mistake can lead to a goal. We shrug our shoulders when a forward fluffs a shot. We only expect them to get a percentage right. Adam Rooney knows he should have scored but hey, no-one died.

But, dreams, that same old stuff seems to be a recurring theme, and it might just be a very important factor in our season.
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Support doesn't have to consist of unconditional blind faith. I support PDC. But, like all Town managers, he is ultimately accountable to all Town supporters. If he thinks the Hammers fans will be all sweetness and light when he eventually arrives there, he is in for a rude awakening. I wonder what they might have to say if he tells them to go and support Millwall when they show signs of unrest?

dreamofacleansheet2 wrote:
Oh dear oh dear still going over the same stuff.

Ritchie signs an extension to his contract 24 comments, Paolo has a go at Sir Wes where the main word in the quote left out, 300 plus.

I support
You support (do you?)
He/she supports (do you?)

etc etc.

zzzzzzzzz

What are you rambling on about Dreamo?if PDC singles out and blames players,i who support our team(and have done for many years)will blame our manager PDC for his mistakes and there many,he's had more support and backing from Mr Wray,than any manager i can remember,but he likes to take cheaps shots at his players,which has undermined their confidence and that's why we are playing Cr*p,he's to blame for our current from.

EastleazeRed wrote:
In other news , is there any truth in the rumour that Di Canio has fallen out with mc corrmack or just more sh1t stirring ? saying that mc corrmack has been poor the last few games.

If there is any truth behind it, you won't find it on here. Lots of rumour and conjecture, but that's about it.

Makes me wonder if it wouldn't be more entertaining to just make up totally ridiculous stuff and have done with it.

PDC running for mayor of Swindon.

Aden Flint planning a career change by joining the Derbyshire Trailblazers Basketball Club.

Jeremy Wray applies to Dragon's Den with an ingenius new hair loss product.

I could go on :-)

We're going up, no we're not, we're going up, no we're not...
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Long road ahead - keep the faith!

I never said we played well and deserved to win - I saw the game and we were like we were 2 years ago under Wilson!
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However, the fact of the matter is their goal was not through great play or an unstoppable shot, or even a well worked free-kick routine - it was down to a gift - simple as that!
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Now I never said Flint was shocking - but as RIGHTLY pointed out above Flint has cost us 2 goals in 2 games and we lost both 1-0 - like it or not that is a FACT!
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Now you may be happy to go on like that - but I'm not and I doubt PdC is either - as you said the buck will stop with him
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If we lost the next 8 1-0 all by Flint errors PdC would be sacked!
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As for respect - surely respect comes from honesty - and PdC is certainly that!
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Now I have heard the interview where he "publically slated Flint" - which if you have actually listen to it you would hear he didn't really!
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Yes he said the goal was by a Flint error - but lots of people think it was!
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The first comment on here after the goal was "just seen the goal and Flint was at fault"!
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He did however - praise Flint as a genuine guy and a top professional
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However, as PdC said he has never played in L1 before (2 game under Wilson hardly counts) and to make it as a top L1 or a Championaship player he will have to improve
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Again as PdC rightly said he does switch off and does give away needless fouls (he did a fair few on Sat!), he does have poor distribution and he is prone to errors - as we have seen
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That doesn't make him a cr@p player - but it will certainly hold him back and us back if he doesn't improve
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PdC then said that he bought Ward in to help with this as experienced pros hep younger players - its no different to Benson, Roberts, Navarro and Miller coming in to help develop the rest of the squad who are all young
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How I see it is just like Jerel Ifil!
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He was exactly the same - a
genuine guy and a top professional - but he was prone to errors and eventually cost him his place in the team and the squad
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Flint could find himself in that boat if he does listen, grow and develop (not saying he won't)
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However - lets not forget lots already want Troy back in ahead of him - ask yourself why is that?

Hang on hang on. He singled out Flint for criticism. I predicted he would be selected on Saturday. He was.

Then lord almighty he got the man of the match.

Now I know we were dreadful all over the pitch but perhaps someone could explain to me how Paolo's singling out Flint made him play better than anyone else.

Perhaps he should have singled them all out? (flak jacket and tin hat on, hunkering down in bunker awaiting incoming fire........)

dreamofacleansheet2 wrote:
Hang on hang on. He singled out Flint for criticism. I predicted he would be selected on Saturday. He was.

Then lord almighty he got the man of the match.

Now I know we were dreadful all over the pitch but perhaps someone could explain to me how Paolo's singling out Flint made him play better than anyone else.

Perhaps he should have singled them all out? (flak jacket and tin hat on, hunkering down in bunker awaiting incoming fire........)

He got MoM for winning headers, which you'd expect really, being the height of a small block of flats. Shame he can't pass, run or tackle.

Perhaps I should clarify that before I get an earful : It would seem whoever determined which player received the man of the match award deemed being dominant in the air as being worthy of the award. I'm of the opinion that a bloke of his size *should* be winning headers as a matter of course and that in itself is not worthy of the accolade.

My issue with Flint is that his positioning can be questionable, and his distribution is frankly dreadful. He hasn't shaken his non-league tendency to hoof the ball John Smith style every time there's an opposition player within 20 yards of him. This is why we need Troy back ASAP, as he shows real composure on the ball and can play a bit as well as having strong defensive qualities.

Phew!

Must agree with Angrydan. Flint should be expected to win these aerial battles against guys that are usually standing below his shoulders. If he didn't win those then i would be very very worried.

Also he is the only player in our team who regularly gets the ball and punts it upfeild.

Bit of a Jerel ifil for me. Likable as he does win a lot in the air and on the ground, but lacks the technical knowledge and the composure to succeed at the level his outright defensive abilities would let him play at. However his is only young and still learning his trade. Could be a very good defender in a few years.

I'm not defending Flint in my statement I'm defending the manager. Maybe there is method in his madness.

Ifil had the turning circle of a tanker, terrible and his cult status always amazed me.

I'd have Troy every day but then I'm not the manager. I do however think Paolo's public pronunciations whilst not the norm are a deliberate and calculated ploy. (Clearly not liked by the majority).

I don't think he'd get away with it with players earning 100k a week but that stops him leaving to soon. Let's see where we get to. Still can't believe the lack of response to Ritchie's extension and his "the club have showed their ambition this summer comment". Really unhappy player that.

Back to back to back promotions coming.

Don't see why it should be any different if the players earns £100k or £1k
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Sir Alex Ferguson has been very critical of players in the past and he banished Rooney over his contract stance
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Had that been PdC there would have been uproar - but as its Sir Alex it is fine!
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Also The Special One is openly critical of players - remember he comments as he got shot of Robben!
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If the board have faith in their manager they should back him - end of!
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As Bessone and the other new boys have clearly said - they spoke to PdC before joining - it was laid out crystal clear what he expects - so they can not complain once they sign
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Also his interviews are not new - anyone signing would have seen/heard them last year - remember Rovers away?
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Remind me who has been one of our best and most consistent performers this year - think he was mentally in Rome last December!

Ifil was good when he had simple instructions to follow
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Williams use to do all the thinking and just told Jerel run there
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Wise and Luggy also recognised he couldn't pass - so he always gave the ball to the nearest player under them
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He was a top defender then as he had pace and power, a great tackle (rarely gave away free-kicks) - he was the Sol Campbell of L1 and L2
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It was when he was expected to be the "leader" and asked to start playing the ball about it went down hill
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Any the guy gave us over 5 years service with total commitment so should be remembered fondly especially as most think Phil Smith should be!

Just like to say as a Swindon fan and football fan,finally the truth has come out for the Liverpool fans,they were totally cleared of any blame in the Hillsborough disaster!what the south Yorkshire Police did was nothing short of criminal!and perverting the course of justice!action should be taken against those responsible!also what the Sun wrote(Kelvin Mckensie was editor)was disgusting!maybe now the 96 football fans and their families have a little bit of justice and the apology they deserve!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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LR, you say Flint cost us 2 goals in 2 games but I get the impression from many people that Ward was at least 50% at fault for the Oxford goal. In any case, I think blaming defenders for 1-0 defeats is very harsh. What about the 180 minutes that were available for the whole team to SCORE goals? If we had conceded those goals but won both games, I doubt too many people would have been moaning about the defence.
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As for Archibald-Henville, he looked good enough in the only game I've seen him play (v Brighton I think) although it has to be said he wasn't under much pressure. Much too early to form a view on him.

angrydan wrote:

dreamofacleansheet2 wrote:
Hang on hang on. He singled out Flint for criticism. I predicted he would be selected on Saturday. He was.

Then lord almighty he got the man of the match.

Now I know we were dreadful all over the pitch but perhaps someone could explain to me how Paolo's singling out Flint made him play better than anyone else.

Perhaps he should have singled them all out? (flak jacket and tin hat on, hunkering down in bunker awaiting incoming fire........)

He got MoM for winning headers, which you'd expect really, being the height of a small block of flats. Shame he can't pass, run or tackle.

what about the tackle at stoke ,sure goal if he had not made it.

jayden wrote:

angrydan wrote:

dreamofacleansheet2 wrote:
Hang on hang on. He singled out Flint for criticism. I predicted he would be selected on Saturday. He was.

Then lord almighty he got the man of the match.

Now I know we were dreadful all over the pitch but perhaps someone could explain to me how Paolo's singling out Flint made him play better than anyone else.

Perhaps he should have singled them all out? (flak jacket and tin hat on, hunkering down in bunker awaiting incoming fire........)

He got MoM for winning headers, which you'd expect really, being the height of a small block of flats. Shame he can't pass, run or tackle.

what about the tackle at stoke ,sure goal if he had not made it.

Also made some fine blocks.Might have scored if they had put in good crosses instead of over hitting and sending them out of play.

Oi Den! wrote:
LR, you say Flint cost us 2 goals in 2 games but I get the impression from many people that Ward was at least 50% at fault for the Oxford goal. In any case, I think blaming defenders for 1-0 defeats is very harsh. What about the 180 minutes that were available for the whole team to SCORE goals? If we had conceded those goals but won both games, I doubt too many people would have been moaning about the defence.
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As for Archibald-Henville, he looked good enough in the only game I've seen him play (v Brighton I think) although it has to be said he wasn't under much pressure. Much too early to form a view on him.

Ward was 100% at fault against Oxford, take it from me, the worst debut I have witnessed in 42 years.
Onwards and upwards

smirg kcab wrote:

Oi Den! wrote:
LR, you say Flint cost us 2 goals in 2 games but I get the impression from many people that Ward was at least 50% at fault for the Oxford goal. In any case, I think blaming defenders for 1-0 defeats is very harsh. What about the 180 minutes that were available for the whole team to SCORE goals? If we had conceded those goals but won both games, I doubt too many people would have been moaning about the defence.
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As for Archibald-Henville, he looked good enough in the only game I've seen him play (v Brighton I think) although it has to be said he wasn't under much pressure. Much too early to form a view on him.

Ward was 100% at fault against Oxford, take it from me, the worst debut I have witnessed in 42 years.
Onwards and upwards

Could be why he was on the bench on sat and why flint played

gingerdad wrote:

Oi Den! wrote:

mike1990 wrote:

London Red wrote: PdC does I'm glad someone else agrees with me over Flint be at fault for the goal - each time I see a replay it looks worse and worse! . I also agree it is time Thompson was given a run - like Kennedy last year this is his make or break season so needs a spell in he side to see which it is

Your as bad as PDC London Red,singling out young Flint for a mistake,who's to blame for that shambles of a performance at Preston?then that Awful performance when we were totally outplayed by at best a very average Orient team?the manager and the players as a team,you win as a team and lose as a team,in the end the Buck stops with the Manager he takes the blame,it's his team he picks the players.

Completely agree Mike. I think we've got to get away from this nonsense of making scapegoats of players who make a single mistake. I'm away at the moment so wasn't there on Saturday but from all accounts it seems clear to me that Orient were better than us in all departments, which surely means that there were mistakes being made by our players all over the pitch? I remain convinced that Flint is a star in the making. He is still young and far from the finished product. PDC will assist his progress more by nurturing his talent than by criticising him in public like he did last week.

I am glad Aden got MoM against Orient even though he let the ball go that led to the goal. Apart from the mistake, he had a great game. It's always harder for a goalie or a defender because one mistake can lead to a goal. We shrug our shoulders when a forward fluffs a shot. We only expect them to get a percentage right. Adam Rooney knows he should have scored but hey, no-one died.

So am I Ginger -ok one mistake and he gets slated, big fan of AF and much more to come from him from which STFC will reap rewards in the future let alone now because if TAH proves he will be numero uno choice and lets face it any promise shown to date has to be cemented with a string of solid performances. What we all ready know is that Aden is if not an equal already is well on the way. That talent needs to be tapped by the management and nurtured rather than being knocked all the time.

jayden wrote:

jayden wrote:

angrydan wrote:

dreamofacleansheet2 wrote: Hang on hang on. He singled out Flint for criticism. I predicted he would be selected on Saturday. He was. Then lord almighty he got the man of the match. Now I know we were dreadful all over the pitch but perhaps someone could explain to me how Paolo's singling out Flint made him play better than anyone else. Perhaps he should have singled them all out? (flak jacket and tin hat on, hunkering down in bunker awaiting incoming fire........)

He got MoM for winning headers, which you'd expect really, being the height of a small block of flats. Shame he can't pass, run or tackle.

what about the tackle at stoke ,sure goal if he had not made it.

Also made some fine blocks.Might have scored if they had put in good crosses instead of over hitting and sending them out of play.

Do you know what like you Jayden I was at Stoke like you. I could have sworn that as well as the tackles and blocks he also planted a firm header past Sorenson to give us a 3-2 lead - the boy will do for me.

oops bit of repitition "like" in my first sentence but you get the drift like!

For the record I'm not knocking Flint at all, just in my opinion at the moment TAH offers a little more composure and better use of the ball. A centre half is always the spare player on the pitch and for this Macca is the ideal person as he can normally pass well.

However if Macca has a mare then it's not inconceivable (to me anyway) that Flint and Troy could become the partnership and indeed lead us into the promised land of the Championship. However I believe for that TAH would have to improve distribution a bit and Aden a lot.

Just my opinion.

Back to back to back promotions coming.

the don69 wrote:
Just like to say as a Swindon fan and football fan,finally the truth has come out for the Liverpool fans,they were totally cleared of any blame in the Hillsborough disaster!what the south Yorkshire Police did was nothing short of criminal!and perverting the course of justice!action should be taken against those responsible!also what the Sun wrote(Kelvin Mckensie was editor)was disgusting!maybe now the 96 football fans and their families have a little bit of justice and the apology they deserve!!!!!!!!!!!!! !

Absolutely Don - see by Facebook post saying virtually the same thing->

"YEESSS!!! Today the cover up that everyone knew existed was proved 23 years later - I hope that the families take South Yorkshire Police to the Fu**king cleaners -its taken that Scumbag ex Sun Editor Kelvin Mackenzie 23 years to apologise for accusing the Liverpool fans of causing the disaster..today in the light of the independent report findings the **** had no choice! Any compensation will no doubt come from the taxpayer-in this instance happy to pay my share!"

and as a postscript to that If I was a relative I'd sue Mackenzie for slander & libel because he definitely said it and printed the same as editor.

oh dear cant say the Alan B'astard word - ****

The classic route of the the tragedy at Hillsborough was that Football fans were universally treated as the scum of the earth.

Clearly it's much better but isn't it about time we were treated as adults and decent human beings and allowed a beer at our seat, and not treated like idiots by a lot of stewards around the country who get a tiny bit of power and go crazy? I can watch cricket, rugby tidlywinks et al with a beer but of course not football.

Don't get me wrong I'm not anti Flint and think he could become a class defender and has put in some brilliant performances
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However - I don't think he is anywhere near the finished article some believe he already is and think there is a lot for him to improve on - as mentioned above
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As pointed out above too Flint is still very young in CB terms so has plenty of time on his side to develop - not everyone is Calderwood and become a rock at the back at 21!
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I do also appreciate that 10 ohers played a role I the defeats and had Rooney scored or Devera and Ritchie crossed instead of going for glory we may have at least drawn
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However - I don't get all this **** footing around mistakes - are you meant to learn by them????
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So if Flint is at fault it should be highlighted so next time he doesn't simply step over it - he was far enough over that even if he sliced it - it would have gone for a corner not an own goal
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Rooney highlighted his own error - so why can't a defender? Or GK?

London Red wrote:
Don't get me wrong I'm not anti Flint and think he could become a class defender and has put in some brilliant performances
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However - I don't think he is anywhere near the finished article some believe he already is and think there is a lot for him to improve on - as mentioned above
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As pointed out above too Flint is still very young in CB terms so has plenty of time on his side to develop - not everyone is Calderwood and become a rock at the back at 21!
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I do also appreciate that 10 ohers played a role I the defeats and had Rooney scored or Devera and Ritchie crossed instead of going for glory we may have at least drawn
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However - I don't get all this **** footing around mistakes - are you meant to learn by them????
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So if Flint is at fault it should be highlighted so next time he doesn't simply step over it - he was far enough over that even if he sliced it - it would have gone for a corner not an own goal
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Rooney highlighted his own error - so why can't a defender? Or GK?

They can be pulled up LR but not publicly,you will notice a massive difference to the players confidence after this happens and that is what i believe is at least part of the reason our form as dropped.

Love Aden Flint,remember last season against Wigan he produced another excellent tackle,i hope he becomes as good as i believe he is capable of.

I don't think any player's single mistake needs highlighting repeatedly after the event. He shouldn't have to bare his soul to the media about it either. Players don't need all that as a way of ensuring they don't repeat the mistake.

Oi Den! wrote:
I don't think any player's single mistake needs highlighting repeatedly after the event. He shouldn't have to bare his soul to the media about it either. Players don't need all that as a way of ensuring they don't repeat the mistake.

A professional footballer knows when he makes a mistake!he don't need a public Hanging over it!Paolo still has a lot to learn about man and football management,b*llock your players in the dressing Paolo!and keep calm and think about what you say to the media!!!!!!!!!!!!

Malkym wrote:

jayden wrote:

jayden wrote:

angrydan wrote:

dreamofacleansheet2 wrote: Hang on hang on. He singled out Flint for criticism. I predicted he would be selected on Saturday. He was. Then lord almighty he got the man of the match. Now I know we were dreadful all over the pitch but perhaps someone could explain to me how Paolo's singling out Flint made him play better than anyone else. Perhaps he should have singled them all out? (flak jacket and tin hat on, hunkering down in bunker awaiting incoming fire........)

He got MoM for winning headers, which you'd expect really, being the height of a small block of flats. Shame he can't pass, run or tackle.

what about the tackle at stoke ,sure goal if he had not made it.

Also made some fine blocks.Might have scored if they had put in good crosses instead of over hitting and sending them out of play.

Do you know what like you Jayden I was at Stoke like you. I could have sworn that as well as the tackles and blocks he also planted a firm header past Sorenson to give us a 3-2 lead - the boy will do for me.

Spot on ,only i was on about the lo game our crossing kept driffting over every ones head.Ibet Wes was not happy at that goal as well he should not have been beaten on the post he was covering,but i blame the whole team not one or two players.

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Malkym wrote:

jayden wrote:

jayden wrote:

angrydan wrote:

dreamofacleansheet2 wrote: Hang on hang on. He singled out Flint for criticism. I predicted he would be selected on Saturday. He was. Then lord almighty he got the man of the match. Now I know we were dreadful all over the pitch but perhaps someone could explain to me how Paolo's singling out Flint made him play better than anyone else. Perhaps he should have singled them all out? (flak jacket and tin hat on, hunkering down in bunker awaiting incoming fire........)

He got MoM for winning headers, which you'd expect really, being the height of a small block of flats. Shame he can't pass, run or tackle.

what about the tackle at stoke ,sure goal if he had not made it.

Also made some fine blocks.Might have scored if they had put in good crosses instead of over hitting and sending them out of play.

Do you know what like you Jayden I was at Stoke like you. I could have sworn that as well as the tackles and blocks he also planted a firm header past Sorenson to give us a 3-2 lead - the boy will do for me.

Spot on ,only i was on about the lo game our crossing kept driffting over every ones head.Ibet Wes was not happy at that goal as well he should not have been beaten on the post he was covering,but i blame the whole team not one or two players.

I would play AH and AF together and give NT ago and move AM to center mid field with Ferry and Benson up front

Steve. Brentford wrote:

London Red wrote:
Don't get me wrong I'm not anti Flint and think he could become a class defender and has put in some brilliant performances
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However - I don't think he is anywhere near the finished article some believe he already is and think there is a lot for him to improve on - as mentioned above
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As pointed out above too Flint is still very young in CB terms so has plenty of time on his side to develop - not everyone is Calderwood and become a rock at the back at 21!
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I do also appreciate that 10 ohers played a role I the defeats and had Rooney scored or Devera and Ritchie crossed instead of going for glory we may have at least drawn
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However - I don't get all this **** footing around mistakes - are you meant to learn by them????
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So if Flint is at fault it should be highlighted so next time he doesn't simply step over it - he was far enough over that even if he sliced it - it would have gone for a corner not an own goal
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Rooney highlighted his own error - so why can't a defender? Or GK?

They can be pulled up LR but not publicly,you will notice a massive difference to the players confidence after this happens and that is what i believe is at least part of the reason our form as dropped.

Love Aden Flint,remember last season against Wigan he produced another excellent tackle,i hope he becomes as good as i believe he is capable of.

OI steve i got my tickets for Portsmouth so this time we might meet up .

Ah and flint with ferry and miller also agree about the young lad thomson at right back up front i would get pdc to get his boots on and let the strikers learn from the best.

jayden wrote:

jayden wrote:

Malkym wrote:

jayden wrote:

jayden wrote:

angrydan wrote:

dreamofacleansheet2 wrote: Hang on hang on. He singled out Flint for criticism. I predicted he would be selected on Saturday. He was. Then lord almighty he got the man of the match. Now I know we were dreadful all over the pitch but perhaps someone could explain to me how Paolo's singling out Flint made him play better than anyone else. Perhaps he should have singled them all out? (flak jacket and tin hat on, hunkering down in bunker awaiting incoming fire........)

He got MoM for winning headers, which you'd expect really, being the height of a small block of flats. Shame he can't pass, run or tackle.

what about the tackle at stoke ,sure goal if he had not made it.

Also made some fine blocks.Might have scored if they had put in good crosses instead of over hitting and sending them out of play.

Do you know what like you Jayden I was at Stoke like you. I could have sworn that as well as the tackles and blocks he also planted a firm header past Sorenson to give us a 3-2 lead - the boy will do for me.

Spot on ,only i was on about the lo game our crossing kept driffting over every ones head.Ibet Wes was not happy at that goal as well he should not have been beaten on the post he was covering,but i blame the whole team not one or two players.

I would play AH and AF together and give NT ago and move AM to center mid field with Ferry and Benson up front

First time i read that as Ferry and Benson up front!! Wondered what you were thinking given Ferry's shooting!!

jayden wrote:

Steve. Brentford wrote:

London Red wrote:
Don't get me wrong I'm not anti Flint and think he could become a class defender and has put in some brilliant performances
.
However - I don't think he is anywhere near the finished article some believe he already is and think there is a lot for him to improve on - as mentioned above
.
As pointed out above too Flint is still very young in CB terms so has plenty of time on his side to develop - not everyone is Calderwood and become a rock at the back at 21!
.
I do also appreciate that 10 ohers played a role I the defeats and had Rooney scored or Devera and Ritchie crossed instead of going for glory we may have at least drawn
.
However - I don't get all this **** footing around mistakes - are you meant to learn by them????
.
So if Flint is at fault it should be highlighted so next time he doesn't simply step over it - he was far enough over that even if he sliced it - it would have gone for a corner not an own goal
.
Rooney highlighted his own error - so why can't a defender? Or GK?

They can be pulled up LR but not publicly,you will notice a massive difference to the players confidence after this happens and that is what i believe is at least part of the reason our form as dropped.

Love Aden Flint,remember last season against Wigan he produced another excellent tackle,i hope he becomes as good as i believe he is capable of.

OI steve i got my tickets for Portsmouth so this time we might meet up .

Good man Jayden,save a burger for me though mate,

dreamofacleansheet2 wrote:
The classic route of the the tragedy at Hillsborough was that Football fans were universally treated as the scum of the earth. Clearly it's much better but isn't it about time we were treated as adults and decent human beings and allowed a beer at our seat, and not treated like idiots by a lot of stewards around the country who get a tiny bit of power and go crazy? I can watch cricket, rugby tidlywinks et al with a beer but of course not football.

Unfortunately football still has far too many yobs, scum and idiots at it's core. A beer in the ground will never happen in our lifetime. Been going to the CG for over 25 years and never had one bit of problem with the Stewards.

People can't blame individual players for the current poor form, lots of them have had off games

3 possible reasons for me.

1) Paolo has lost the dressing room following recent outbursts and they don't want to play for him

2) the players support Paolo but are fearful of making mistakes in case he makes an example of them a la Wes

3) The players are tired after the draining Stoke game followed by 3 games in 6 days

Hopefully it is just point 3) but I suspect there is a bit of point 2) in there as well. guess we shall see on Saturday following 6 days without a game.

jayden wrote:

Steve. Brentford wrote:

London Red wrote: Don't get me wrong I'm not anti Flint and think he could become a class defender and has put in some brilliant performances . However - I don't think he is anywhere near the finished article some believe he already is and think there is a lot for him to improve on - as mentioned above . As pointed out above too Flint is still very young in CB terms so has plenty of time on his side to develop - not everyone is Calderwood and become a rock at the back at 21! . I do also appreciate that 10 ohers played a role I the defeats and had Rooney scored or Devera and Ritchie crossed instead of going for glory we may have at least drawn . However - I don't get all this **** footing around mistakes - are you meant to learn by them???? . So if Flint is at fault it should be highlighted so next time he doesn't simply step over it - he was far enough over that even if he sliced it - it would have gone for a corner not an own goal . Rooney highlighted his own error - so why can't a defender? Or GK?

They can be pulled up LR but not publicly,you will notice a massive difference to the players confidence after this happens and that is what i believe is at least part of the reason our form as dropped. Love Aden Flint,remember last season against Wigan he produced another excellent tackle,i hope he becomes as good as i believe he is capable of.

OI steve i got my tickets for Portsmouth so this time we might meet up .

Slightly premature but any ideas on pre-match pubs? Heard the Brewer's Arms (?) is ok for away fans but to avoid the Milton Arms at all costs.

On the matter of beer at football, it always amuses me how you can't drink whilst watching, or go through the turnstiles if you're too drunk, but you can get as p*ssed as you want when buying it on the concourse. Really don't see the difference between buying it and drinking it in the ground and drinking it at your seat.