Di Canio dubs Leyton Orient defeat as 'the worst' performance (From The Wiltshire Gazette and Herald)
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SWINDON TOWN: Di Canio dubs Leyton Orient defeat as 'the worst' performance
6:00am Monday 10th September 2012 in Sport By Sam Morshead
A frustrated looking Swindon Town boss Paolo Di Canio on Saturday
PAOLO Di Canio described Swindon Town’s performance in their 1-0 home defeat to Leyton Orient on Saturday as the worst he has seen at home from his side during his tenure at the County Ground .
Lee Cook’s goal just before the hour mark condemned Town to their first defeat in Wiltshire for the first time in more than a year and inflicted a third consecutive loss on the Robins in the space of just six days.
Di Canio stressed how disappointed he was with the display, insisting the way his team lost meant more to him than being stripped of their remarkable home record.
“This is the worst, especially at home,” he said. “If it happened like Preston away then I know we have some difficulty to go away and play exactly the same football, except Stoke City, than when we play at home.
“Just because it was at home against a team that is at the bottom and we didn’t underestimate them because we showed them the clips and they have quality and they have pedigree, the fact that it happened at home it was an empty, empty performance in terms of heart, desire. Some players started to fear.
“The same players that 10 days ago played against Stoke, Brighton, MK Dons and Crawley.
“Now it’s not the problem for me to lose one game or two games. I’m angry and sad at the way we lost because of the performance but I’m not worried because my players should follow me in the way I did last year.
“One day we have to lose at home. It’s not about the record, it’s the way we lost that didn’t make me enjoy it.
“Honestly, there wasn’t passion or desire or 100 per cent commitment in this game. It doesn’t mean my players deliberately didn’t want to perform but it happened.
“I probably overestimated some of my players and that is the manager’s responsibility.
“I hope the players analyse themselves. I know it is difficult but I hope they analyse themselves.
“We have very good players but football is not only about technical ability, it is about brain.”
Comments(141)
robstfc
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7:22am Mon 10 Sep 12
Then in his interview afterwards..... Says the players need to work even harder in training...... Personally I think he'll walk away before Christmas.. Just hope I'm wrong...
glasred
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7:27am Mon 10 Sep 12
Rule with discipline and get RESPECT,rule with fear and get fear in responce.
Time to look at YOUR attitude I am afraid PDC.
movedaway999
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7:44am Mon 10 Sep 12
EastleazeRed
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7:56am Mon 10 Sep 12
goode1970
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8:13am Mon 10 Sep 12
why can't the players be the same, game in game out like pdc?
Stilloyal
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8:14am Mon 10 Sep 12
The strikers were awful and thats the worst I've seen from Williams who is usually very sharp.
Navarro is living on his performance against Brighton and again was very , very poor.
In defence Devera was appalling , never ever marked the winger properly and could have cleared the ball that they scored from if he'd been sharper.
Bessonne for me was excellent until he tired , he's clearly not as fit as the others yet. And how did Rooney not score ?
All I heard from fans after the game was "Caddis" and what a big mistake our leader has made, I agree with all that.
I'm sure Thompson would have done better than Devera.
Right off to work , have a nice day :-)
Stratton Red
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8:30am Mon 10 Sep 12
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I do agree with a comment above about how such a passionate man cannot seemingly fire his team up, that is a little strange. We were magnificent at Stoke so the quality and effort is there, just need to find that Stoke key again...
Lanky
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8:36am Mon 10 Sep 12
Its a blip. This happened last season as well. I fully expect at least a point on Saturday and a turnaround.
mallorca
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8:41am Mon 10 Sep 12
Players he has brought in up until the last 5 were a bit better than what the Town had,yet these ones before the deadline baffled me with the exception of Bostock.
I seen the brighton Game on TV as I did saturdays and what a difference.
Pdc should listen to the interview on BBC with Alan Mac saying how many hard managers he played under and how he respected them etc.
I fear Pdc will lose this respect if he persists in his same management approach.did also read a report on Sky that he more or less told the fans if they did not like it he would give them refund????? is this true cannot see JW doing that
It's so sad as Pdc's bad points are few yet he appears unstable at times.
It's my opinion yet I so wish Pdc could calm down and treat the players like men as on Sat they looked scared stiff and post match interviews were the normal brief
M.Dobbo
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8:56am Mon 10 Sep 12
Dobbo.
the wizard
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9:10am Mon 10 Sep 12
League One will be more difficult, but we have some good players in place, its just a matter of shuffling them around into the right order.
Time, waits for no man, but time is what is needed and a time of calm and support, and that time is now. Let those that are involved quietly sort out where they are, and where they need to be,.
southside7
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9:16am Mon 10 Sep 12
hertz
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9:31am Mon 10 Sep 12
CBCred
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10:07am Mon 10 Sep 12
Stilloyal wrote:I agree with evrything you say here, stilloyal. I would also add that on Wednesday McCormack looked a liability at the back and not secure on Saturday. If Town can't sort out their differences with Caddis (nice to see him at the game on Sat) why not move McCormack to right back where he could bomb forward and bring Troy or Devera into the centre with Flint? Mac did a good job at centre back last year but will be found out in this division.
We were very poor. We didn't create anything although we were a little better after Ferry came on. The strikers were awful and thats the worst I've seen from Williams who is usually very sharp. Navarro is living on his performance against Brighton and again was very , very poor. In defence Devera was appalling , never ever marked the winger properly and could have cleared the ball that they scored from if he'd been sharper. Bessonne for me was excellent until he tired , he's clearly not as fit as the others yet. And how did Rooney not score ? All I heard from fans after the game was "Caddis" and what a big mistake our leader has made, I agree with all that. I'm sure Thompson would have done better than Devera. Right off to work , have a nice day :-)
Psychedelic Syd
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10:30am Mon 10 Sep 12
CBCred wrote:Full agreement too. I thought the players showed no enjoyment in playing football and that can't be right. The Sunday Times said "Di Canio has run out of players to blame." I agree with some of other posts above re the fear factor. They do not look like a happy outfit. I think Paolo is a great manager in most ways but I just hope his flaws don't outweigh the passion and total commitment that he shows. Still early doors, Ferry needs to start every match and I thought Miller wasn't nearly as good in this game. Maybe a pairing of Bostock and Ferry in the middle would be our most creative midfield. Collins and Williams both disappointing but they will both have far better games for us in the future.
Stilloyal wrote:I agree with evrything you say here, stilloyal. I would also add that on Wednesday McCormack looked a liability at the back and not secure on Saturday. If Town can't sort out their differences with Caddis (nice to see him at the game on Sat) why not move McCormack to right back where he could bomb forward and bring Troy or Devera into the centre with Flint? Mac did a good job at centre back last year but will be found out in this division.
We were very poor. We didn't create anything although we were a little better after Ferry came on. The strikers were awful and thats the worst I've seen from Williams who is usually very sharp. Navarro is living on his performance against Brighton and again was very , very poor. In defence Devera was appalling , never ever marked the winger properly and could have cleared the ball that they scored from if he'd been sharper. Bessonne for me was excellent until he tired , he's clearly not as fit as the others yet. And how did Rooney not score ? All I heard from fans after the game was "Caddis" and what a big mistake our leader has made, I agree with all that. I'm sure Thompson would have done better than Devera. Right off to work , have a nice day :-)
old town robin
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10:59am Mon 10 Sep 12
CBCred wrote:moving Mac to RB, might solve two of PDC's problems, but I think if Troy isn't fit, then Ward would still be ahead of devera for a CB start.
Stilloyal wrote:I agree with evrything you say here, stilloyal. I would also add that on Wednesday McCormack looked a liability at the back and not secure on Saturday. If Town can't sort out their differences with Caddis (nice to see him at the game on Sat) why not move McCormack to right back where he could bomb forward and bring Troy or Devera into the centre with Flint? Mac did a good job at centre back last year but will be found out in this division.
We were very poor. We didn't create anything although we were a little better after Ferry came on. The strikers were awful and thats the worst I've seen from Williams who is usually very sharp. Navarro is living on his performance against Brighton and again was very , very poor. In defence Devera was appalling , never ever marked the winger properly and could have cleared the ball that they scored from if he'd been sharper. Bessonne for me was excellent until he tired , he's clearly not as fit as the others yet. And how did Rooney not score ? All I heard from fans after the game was "Caddis" and what a big mistake our leader has made, I agree with all that. I'm sure Thompson would have done better than Devera. Right off to work , have a nice day :-)
Based on the performance of last 3 games, we have issues in defence, midfield and upfront that paolo needs to address. Assuming Roberts is still out injured, the only players positions I would think are safe to start at Carlisle, are Ritchie, De Vita and Fodders, with a high chance that Ferry and/or Bostock will actually get to start a game. For the rest, no one can be sure of keeping their place with multiple permutations. I wouldn't expect to see 8 changes, but 4 or 5 could be on the cards.
At the back any 4 from 8, Devera, Thompson, Flint, Ward, Macca Archibald, McEverley and Besonne.
Midfield Ritchie, De Vita and any 2 from 6, Bostock, Ferry, Miller, Navarro. Coke, Luke Rooney (not likely if De Vita keeps his place).
Up front any 2 from 5 Williams, Collins, Benson, Storey and Adam Rooney.
Very tough decisions for Paolo to make. tryning to turn things round after conceeding sloppy goals, not controlling midfield and firing blanks up front with very little support from an impotent midfield. Rather him than me and wish him luck getting it right.
Psychedelic Syd
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11:03am Mon 10 Sep 12
Devon Red
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11:08am Mon 10 Sep 12
9:31am Mon 10 Sep 12
Too early to panic , but my only comment is "so much fro pre season " , if you take a team away to gel and get to know one another great and the results showed for themselves , then throw in 5 players that did'nt do pre season don't know each other or the rest of the squad what can you expect ?, might as well not bother with pre season at all . IMHO , Early days the O's did their homework other teams will have sussed us out, so time to dig deep . COYR
Very good point Hertz.
After all the pre season talk and early results/performances it did seem the trip to Italy was well worth it.
Somebody posted on here a week or so ago "if its working why change it" and whilst I agree squad rotation needs to be used when considering your opponents etc it does seem too many changes were made too quickly.
Like others have said it is early days and I feel confident Paolo will learn his lessons even quicker in League 1.
Hampshire_ReD
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11:25am Mon 10 Sep 12
Whilst it's not fair to judge players on that performance alone, it did seem that our established players performed better under the pressure than most of the new guys.
If people are going to blame PDC for putting the fear of god into the players...maybe they also need to think about the pressure of expectation coming from the supporters too.
At times on Saturday it must have felt like an away game.
We need to get over the loss of Caddis - he's not coming back.
Finding a true right-back for rest of the season ought to be high PDC's priority list. Devera is a triangular peg in a round hole for that position.
red white
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11:55am Mon 10 Sep 12
Then we'd have be a roll and would have easily won in my opinion
jamesturner
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11:56am Mon 10 Sep 12
The support will always be divided with Di Canio and when the results are good it is easy to convince players and supporters that your methods work.This present situation is something that is new to him and the unnecessary publicity with Caddis and Fodringham was created by Di Canio and i hope it is a lesson to be learnt.
Di Canio has major support from the directors in signing new players and paying off those who were signed in moments of panic.All new players have been signed with a degree of judgment so one would assume they are the type of player with the desire to take the team and their own personal ambitions forward.
A good manager will take the team forward progressively so all the promises of Championship Football next season should be viewed with realism.Di Canio has the squad he wanted he has promised the directors promotion this season (fact) so let hear less about the players not having the same desires as you just get on and do the job.
If Di Canio has the desire to be a premiership manager then his man management skills at the present will be a concern to clubs.
Quote from Lou Macari arguably our best manager in recent times.
When I took my first management job at Swindon in the old Fourth Division, one of the things I had to adjust to was the fact I was working with players with lesser ability than at Old Trafford. There was a danger of demanding they play like top-flight footballers and then become frustrated with them when they couldn't. But I didn't see any reason why the players at Swindon couldn't be as fit as the players at Manchester United. That was something we worked really hard on, the players accepted it, and we reaped the rewards with promotion in my second season."
the wizard
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12:03pm Mon 10 Sep 12
If we can stabilise the RB position (Macca for now) bring Jay back on the left then that would be a good start. I would also put Bostock alongside Ferry in the middle, play Ritchie and Rooney on the wings, as Rooney caused problems on Saturday and it was good to see him trying to spice things up. For now I would put the proven Benson up front alongside Collins, while Williams is trying to find his scoring boots, maybe bring him on for the last 25 minutes.
We need stability and a team that can grind out points. Sorry but Navarro and Miller have not shown for me that they are any better than anyone else we already have, in fact, not as good as Ferry, but then again, I'm biased. SF has again raised his game, I didn't think he would, but I'm soooo very pleased he has proven me wrong.
RDV definitely first on the bench.
Swindon1984
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12:03pm Mon 10 Sep 12
jamesturner wrote:And PDC definitely has focused on fitness - and realised early on last season that some of the players he could get weren't as talented as he'd have hoped.
The fear factor with players has its limitations.Does fear at your workplace make you work better any harder.The answer is NO.The team ethic is valid in any workplace but when respect is lost then chaos reigns. The support will always be divided with Di Canio and when the results are good it is easy to convince players and supporters that your methods work.This present situation is something that is new to him and the unnecessary publicity with Caddis and Fodringham was created by Di Canio and i hope it is a lesson to be learnt. Di Canio has major support from the directors in signing new players and paying off those who were signed in moments of panic.All new players have been signed with a degree of judgment so one would assume they are the type of player with the desire to take the team and their own personal ambitions forward. A good manager will take the team forward progressively so all the promises of Championship Football next season should be viewed with realism.Di Canio has the squad he wanted he has promised the directors promotion this season (fact) so let hear less about the players not having the same desires as you just get on and do the job. If Di Canio has the desire to be a premiership manager then his man management skills at the present will be a concern to clubs. Quote from Lou Macari arguably our best manager in recent times. When I took my first management job at Swindon in the old Fourth Division, one of the things I had to adjust to was the fact I was working with players with lesser ability than at Old Trafford. There was a danger of demanding they play like top-flight footballers and then become frustrated with them when they couldn't. But I didn't see any reason why the players at Swindon couldn't be as fit as the players at Manchester United. That was something we worked really hard on, the players accepted it, and we reaped the rewards with promotion in my second season."
The thing is we know the current crop can play good football and win games, so they've raised the bar for themselves, only to lower it dramatically after the last few games. No easy answers I'm afraid but there's a squad of players there who have it in them to play properly and right now aren't doing it. Something clearly needs to change.
midland red
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12:24pm Mon 10 Sep 12
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My take on the season so far:-
Cracking start with the new players jelling well with the best of last season's - with the Caddis episode the only blot.
Then 5 new players added which seems to have upset the apple-cart. And for all his strengths as a coach and leader and I'm the first to say it's been years since the excitement that has been generated since he came....when we are up against it (Preston and Orient - Poxford were just lucky!) PDC goes into his 'mad as a box of frogs' mode and starts hurling insults and aspersions at the first player who makes a mistake or is nearest to him at the time! If only he could count to ten, think and then respond! but that would probably mean a change of personality. The real problem with this style of management is, that as we witnessed against Preston and on Saturday, players become to scared to express themselves and it goes from bad to worse. That being said, if Devera had crossed instead of shot and of Rooney hadn't scuffed that 'one on one' shot we would have won or drawn. Even if the performance didn't deserve it.
The other issue is team selection - I must confess that I am mystified when a fit Ferry is left out. Not sure you can play both him and Bostock in midfield without one of the ball winning water carriers (Navaro and Miller). Also Bassone looks a class act but surely he could have waited to be selected while Mceverley was playing so well and had done nothing wrong that I could see? And afraid that although Devera is a very good centre half there is now way he will ever make a right back - time for Thompson!
Before the usual comments start - I appreciate that the manager is paid to make these decisions and that he did brilliantly last season despite some questioning along the way but, like everyone else on this forum as a supporter and season ticket holder for many years I have a right to an opinion!
Just hope that PDC and the players can sort it out before Carlisle on Saturday because that won't be an easy game even if we were on form and everything in the garden was rosy.
All that being said I still have faith that PDC will get 'em playing again and we will be there when it matters in April / May. COYRs
Malkym
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12:28pm Mon 10 Sep 12
red white wrote:RW - maybe but! if's, buts, and maybes, dont win us games unfortunately eh. We needed a break we didnt get one they did their homework we didnt have a plan B and they deserved to win - learn and move on I reckon.
If Devera had passed into the box instead of shooting and missing it would definetly have been 1-1. Then we'd have be a roll and would have easily won in my opinion
dazinblack
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12:29pm Mon 10 Sep 12
Psychedelic Syd wrote:Dont stick the knife in syd!!
A bad start for the re-named Stratton Bank. This Excalibur deal ....... sounds like a double-edged sword ............
LeGod
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12:34pm Mon 10 Sep 12
Having said all that we without doubt miss the Caddis/Ritchie attacking options down the right and although De Vera can fill in for two or three games there is no way he is effective as an attacking full back as Caddis was there is no argument whatsoever with that nad as well as all the players were poor saturday he made two vital mistakes saturday with Flint for the goal and also should have driven a ball across the 6 yard box but went for glory and fluffed it.
Paolo needs to sort them out this week on the training ground as we have two tough games coming up.
Malkym
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12:36pm Mon 10 Sep 12
jamesturner wrote:Great post James - probably, no definitely the best to sum up the current situation at the CG (can't stand that expression SN1 -jeez that's a local postcode that covers 25 sq miles fffs!)
The fear factor with players has its limitations.Does fear at your workplace make you work better any harder.The answer is NO.The team ethic is valid in any workplace but when respect is lost then chaos reigns. The support will always be divided with Di Canio and when the results are good it is easy to convince players and supporters that your methods work.This present situation is something that is new to him and the unnecessary publicity with Caddis and Fodringham was created by Di Canio and i hope it is a lesson to be learnt. Di Canio has major support from the directors in signing new players and paying off those who were signed in moments of panic.All new players have been signed with a degree of judgment so one would assume they are the type of player with the desire to take the team and their own personal ambitions forward. A good manager will take the team forward progressively so all the promises of Championship Football next season should be viewed with realism.Di Canio has the squad he wanted he has promised the directors promotion this season (fact) so let hear less about the players not having the same desires as you just get on and do the job. If Di Canio has the desire to be a premiership manager then his man management skills at the present will be a concern to clubs. Quote from Lou Macari arguably our best manager in recent times. When I took my first management job at Swindon in the old Fourth Division, one of the things I had to adjust to was the fact I was working with players with lesser ability than at Old Trafford. There was a danger of demanding they play like top-flight footballers and then become frustrated with them when they couldn't. But I didn't see any reason why the players at Swindon couldn't be as fit as the players at Manchester United. That was something we worked really hard on, the players accepted it, and we reaped the rewards with promotion in my second season."
It's so good that it should bring back from the brink those fans about to swallow a suicide pill and those seriously in need of a reality check who are calling for a Mafia contract for PdC.
When are they going to realise - we have no divine right to win every game or indeed any game.
Malkym
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12:53pm Mon 10 Sep 12
8:14am Mon 10 Sep 12
We were very poor. We didn't create anything although we were a little better after Ferry came on.
The strikers were awful and thats the worst I've seen from Williams who is usually very sharp.(They got precious little or no service from midfield.)
Navarro is living on his performance against Brighton and again was very , very poor.(Agreed)
In defence Devera was appalling , never ever marked the winger properly and could have cleared the ball that they scored from if he'd been sharper.(Agreed up to a point -re not clearing the ball that resulted in their goal - but nobody was saying how bad he was in that position until after the Stoke game - in fact they were praising him as to how good he was performing in a difficult role.)
Bessonne for me was excellent until he tired , he's clearly not as fit as the others yet.(certainly shoed promise but as you say faded 2nd half) And how did Rooney not score ? (Because like a lot of footballers these days he's only got one foot to use, in his case his right leg it seems - had he poked it with the left peg he'd have more likely scored -wouldn't he?)
All I heard from fans after the game was "Caddis" and what a big mistake our leader has made, I agree with all that.(Again after Stoke it was who needs Caddis! - also not sure about the pic of him in the Adver smirking - there's a lot more of that little episode to be unravelled I reckon).I'm sure Thompson would have done better than Devera.
Alan B'stard
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1:01pm Mon 10 Sep 12
Couldn't hit a cow on the arse end with a banjo.
Put him in a brothel and he'd come out sucking his thumb.
Etc.
dreamofacleansheet2
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1:03pm Mon 10 Sep 12
What I find amazing is the way fans clearly have their favorites and if not they get hammered. I obviously wasn't there and he obviously had a mare but in all the games I've seen this season Devera has been fine. Maybe not as dynamic going forward as Caddis but arguably better at the back. Furthermore at the back end of last season I thought he was excellent in the middle at the back. He of course got very little credit for any of this.
To right him off after one bad game seems ridiculous to me. Just as the constant praise of Ritchie is ridiculous. He was brilliant in the first half of last season, but the last quarter he was average. Something acknowledged by the player of the year award but not necessarily on this forum.
The greatest thing is JW and the board have the complete faith in Paolo, his discipline that he brings and his passion. (To be fair if I owned a club I wouldn't want the players going out on the lash with me paying their wages).
Of course there will be bumps on the road but let's not lose the faith in the board or the manager quite yet.
Finally as for booing off the team. Yes I know we were rubbish, but please please try and support your team. Give encouragement and backing and my god they might actually repay you with an improved performance?
Ps We are five points off top with 41 games to go. FFS.
RamsburyRed
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1:29pm Mon 10 Sep 12
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This is a real test of management and where PDC can really prove his worth. There's a lot to team management - are the players unsettled by the Caddis/Fodders affairs? Or, as suggested above, is there possibly resentment festering as new players come in and go straight into the team, even when apparently not fully fit? Ruling as a disciplinarian is fine, but you have to keep players happy, involved and commited to the cause. My hunch is that PDC will sort this out. I hope so.
gibbo1012
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1:47pm Mon 10 Sep 12
not the normal sharp passing game we have got used to.
Devera had a nightmare, not good enough in my opnion, Bessone looked good until he faded in the second half which would be his fitness.
Both strikers werent as sharp as in previous games and we lacked creativity in the centre of the park, navarro doesnt seem good enough to me. we need to get bostock or ferry starting.
i think Palao my have lost a bit of respect from the players and i wouldnt be surprised that if we lost a couple more games on the trot he will be on his way.
i hope not because he has brought the good times back to the club.
just hope we can get a good result Saturday.
clunge_meister
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1:49pm Mon 10 Sep 12
Stilloyal wrote:Can't agree with you on Bessone. He was solid defensively but regularly gave the ball away and didn't make a single cross.
We were very poor. We didn't create anything although we were a little better after Ferry came on. The strikers were awful and thats the worst I've seen from Williams who is usually very sharp. Navarro is living on his performance against Brighton and again was very , very poor. In defence Devera was appalling , never ever marked the winger properly and could have cleared the ball that they scored from if he'd been sharper. Bessonne for me was excellent until he tired , he's clearly not as fit as the others yet. And how did Rooney not score ? All I heard from fans after the game was "Caddis" and what a big mistake our leader has made, I agree with all that. I'm sure Thompson would have done better than Devera. Right off to work , have a nice day :-)
He also cut inside onto his right foot every time, which either means he's a right footed left back or not the cleverest given that De Vita is also right footed and likes to cut inside.
We had no width in the game and 2 defensive full backs didn't help.
We were poor but it's only a blip, after all since the last time we lost at home we've won the league, got to a wembley final and beaten 2 Premier league teams.
London Red
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2:01pm Mon 10 Sep 12
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However there is one MAJOR flaw in that arguement - only 1 of the new players actually played!
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The other 10 starters were all in Italy!!!!
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Now if swapping McEveley (who has been poor recently) for Bessone is going to disrupt the whole apple cart we are in serious trouble going forward!
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As the article clearly says NINE of that 11 played MK off the park - with only Ferry and Navarro swapping on top of the above change mentioned
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TEN of them played at Stoke - with only McEveley missing!
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The midfield was the same as Brighton, Hartlepool and Stoke
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The back 5 (bar Bessone) was the same that played what 6, 7, 8 games together last season when Caddis was out injured - plus Crawley, MK and Stoke this year
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Then the front two have played together against Crawley, MK, Stoke and Orient!
EastleazeRed
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2:05pm Mon 10 Sep 12
London Red
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2:12pm Mon 10 Sep 12
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Hardly anyone has mentioned that Flint was at fault for the goal!!!!!
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Why the heck did he step over the ball and let it go straight through to Cook?
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Granted Devera should probably have been marking Cook tighter - but if Flint had simply hacked it away it would not have mattered!
STFC 67
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2:16pm Mon 10 Sep 12
London Red wrote:Quite agree . I am afraid the whole Foderingham thing has lost PDC some respect in the dressing room. Now he has to learn from that and put it right. I back him to do it
A lot on here have been saying it is the new players that have upset the apple cart and "un-done pre season"
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However there is one MAJOR flaw in that arguement - only 1 of the new players actually played!
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The other 10 starters were all in Italy!!!!
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Now if swapping McEveley (who has been poor recently) for Bessone is going to disrupt the whole apple cart we are in serious trouble going forward!
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As the article clearly says NINE of that 11 played MK off the park - with only Ferry and Navarro swapping on top of the above change mentioned
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TEN of them played at Stoke - with only McEveley missing!
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The midfield was the same as Brighton, Hartlepool and Stoke
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The back 5 (bar Bessone) was the same that played what 6, 7, 8 games together last season when Caddis was out injured - plus Crawley, MK and Stoke this year
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Then the front two have played together against Crawley, MK, Stoke and Orient!
Malkym
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2:19pm Mon 10 Sep 12
dazinblack wrote:ok we get the point!!(of the sword lol!)
Psychedelic Syd wrote: A bad start for the re-named Stratton Bank. This Excalibur deal ....... sounds like a double-edged sword ............Dont stick the knife in syd!!
igiwigi
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2:27pm Mon 10 Sep 12
A great player overlooked by Paulo.
Even Caddis Praises him and a hard player to play against.
Also If Luke returns he needs better service from the others as he Is troublesome to the opposite sides.
and he always puts In a good ball and finds open spaces with no service!!!
the don69
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2:29pm Mon 10 Sep 12
STFC 67 wrote:They looked scared to play!the ball was like a hot potato,so they just booted it,what was very worrying!Orient looked a fitter,stronger,fast
London Red wrote:Quite agree . I am afraid the whole Foderingham thing has lost PDC some respect in the dressing room. Now he has to learn from that and put it right. I back him to do it
A lot on here have been saying it is the new players that have upset the apple cart and "un-done pre season"
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However there is one MAJOR flaw in that arguement - only 1 of the new players actually played!
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The other 10 starters were all in Italy!!!!
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Now if swapping McEveley (who has been poor recently) for Bessone is going to disrupt the whole apple cart we are in serious trouble going forward!
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As the article clearly says NINE of that 11 played MK off the park - with only Ferry and Navarro swapping on top of the above change mentioned
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TEN of them played at Stoke - with only McEveley missing!
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The midfield was the same as Brighton, Hartlepool and Stoke
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The back 5 (bar Bessone) was the same that played what 6, 7, 8 games together last season when Caddis was out injured - plus Crawley, MK and Stoke this year
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Then the front two have played together against Crawley, MK, Stoke and Orient!
er side,we looked slow and had no ideas!much work for Paolo to do,it's easy to manage a winning team,the big test comes now we're losing and look a poor side,lets see if he can turn things round ASAP!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Malkym
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2:31pm Mon 10 Sep 12
Med Red
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2:33pm Mon 10 Sep 12
Malkym
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2:36pm Mon 10 Sep 12
sp1dersw3b
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2:46pm Mon 10 Sep 12
For days now people are blaming this player and then that player and then another player for not being here anymore for the loss BUT very few have blamed the idiot boo boy/girl so called supporters who IMO are the worst culprits and the defence of 'I paid the ticket price' and 'my hard earned money' just does not wash with me.
If you think it is right to boo your team just please go away and support someone else.
The Team and the Manager needs true STFC suppporters right now to get behind all of them - we know how fantastic they really are and will be again soon - so enough of this blame culture, lets now please move on.
On another topic (hoping to change the current one forever) did anyone else see how great OR was yesterday for Stevenage - some of our fans would have had another target to aim at if he was still here I think!
COYR's
London Red
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2:46pm Mon 10 Sep 12
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After that big bust up the whole team sat down and had a clear the air talks and after that we started the remarkable journey all the way to Stoke via the title and the JPT final
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I would not be surprised to see a massive Rotherham type situation on Sat with the whole team and management showing the togtherness has returned (if it has been shaken)
the don69
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2:50pm Mon 10 Sep 12
Malkym wrote:That's one thing Saturday wasn't Malkym!a Result!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Just got my tickets for Burnley & Colchester in the DR- £24 bargain - its good to be an old git sometimes and i get to use mates s/t when he's away- like last Saturday - result!
!!!!
smirg kcab
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2:57pm Mon 10 Sep 12
Douglas was absolute pants when given the armband, McCormack has followed very poor in every game I have watch which is all exception of stoke.
Also Wilson could not see in front of his blind eyes that Dossevi and pericrap was the reason we struggled.
I must say I would give every player to settle in but Adam Rooney looked has tho he never have played football before at o ford And after Saturday it looked like he didn't even know how to to kick a ball.
Also you study the other teams as I'm sure slade did he would tell his players
Play on the weaklink. Who might that be you may ask? It's simple devera is not a r/b and never will be FACT.
So strip McCormack NOW
play Thompson or get a loan in (which he should have done)
Ship Rooney back to the midlands like Walsall NOW
Play your best players ferry, bostock must starts NOW.
Navarro,both rooneys,ward get shot as quick as.
Then the. Certs for promotion will be back on track.
Onwards and upwards
Med Red
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3:02pm Mon 10 Sep 12
smirg kcab wrote:.... and bring Caddis back?
Do we keep on turning a blind eye like we did with Wilson or just get to the crooks of the matter?
Douglas was absolute pants when given the armband, McCormack has followed very poor in every game I have watch which is all exception of stoke.
Also Wilson could not see in front of his blind eyes that Dossevi and pericrap was the reason we struggled.
I must say I would give every player to settle in but Adam Rooney looked has tho he never have played football before at o ford And after Saturday it looked like he didn't even know how to to kick a ball.
Also you study the other teams as I'm sure slade did he would tell his players
Play on the weaklink. Who might that be you may ask? It's simple devera is not a r/b and never will be FACT.
So strip McCormack NOW
play Thompson or get a loan in (which he should have done)
Ship Rooney back to the midlands like Walsall NOW
Play your best players ferry, bostock must starts NOW.
Navarro,both rooneys,ward get shot as quick as.
Then the. Certs for promotion will be back on track.
Onwards and upwards
Malkym
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3:06pm Mon 10 Sep 12
the don69 wrote:True Donald! Agree with Grim re shipping out the loony rooneys -they ain't gonna make it and Ward & Navarro ain't either.
Malkym wrote: Just got my tickets for Burnley & Colchester in the DR- £24 bargain - its good to be an old git sometimes and i get to use mates s/t when he's away- like last Saturday - result!That's one thing Saturday wasn't Malkym!a Result!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!
the don69
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3:06pm Mon 10 Sep 12
Med Red wrote:Charlie Austin's coming back!trouble is it's with Burnley LOL!!!!!!!!!!!!
smirg kcab wrote:.... and bring Caddis back?
Do we keep on turning a blind eye like we did with Wilson or just get to the crooks of the matter?
Douglas was absolute pants when given the armband, McCormack has followed very poor in every game I have watch which is all exception of stoke.
Also Wilson could not see in front of his blind eyes that Dossevi and pericrap was the reason we struggled.
I must say I would give every player to settle in but Adam Rooney looked has tho he never have played football before at o ford And after Saturday it looked like he didn't even know how to to kick a ball.
Also you study the other teams as I'm sure slade did he would tell his players
Play on the weaklink. Who might that be you may ask? It's simple devera is not a r/b and never will be FACT.
So strip McCormack NOW
play Thompson or get a loan in (which he should have done)
Ship Rooney back to the midlands like Walsall NOW
Play your best players ferry, bostock must starts NOW.
Navarro,both rooneys,ward get shot as quick as.
Then the. Certs for promotion will be back on track.
Onwards and upwards
Swindon1984
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3:34pm Mon 10 Sep 12
smirg kcab wrote:Glad someone's got it worked out then!
Do we keep on turning a blind eye like we did with Wilson or just get to the crooks of the matter? Douglas was absolute pants when given the armband, McCormack has followed very poor in every game I have watch which is all exception of stoke. Also Wilson could not see in front of his blind eyes that Dossevi and pericrap was the reason we struggled. I must say I would give every player to settle in but Adam Rooney looked has tho he never have played football before at o ford And after Saturday it looked like he didn't even know how to to kick a ball. Also you study the other teams as I'm sure slade did he would tell his players Play on the weaklink. Who might that be you may ask? It's simple devera is not a r/b and never will be FACT. So strip McCormack NOW play Thompson or get a loan in (which he should have done) Ship Rooney back to the midlands like Walsall NOW Play your best players ferry, bostock must starts NOW. Navarro,both rooneys,ward get shot as quick as. Then the. Certs for promotion will be back on track. Onwards and upwards
EastleazeRed
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3:45pm Mon 10 Sep 12
the don69 wrote:I've been told charlie aint gonna turn up , few people with scores to settle ;-)
Med Red wrote:Charlie Austin's coming back!trouble is it's with Burnley LOL!!!!!!!!!!!!
smirg kcab wrote:.... and bring Caddis back?
Do we keep on turning a blind eye like we did with Wilson or just get to the crooks of the matter?
Douglas was absolute pants when given the armband, McCormack has followed very poor in every game I have watch which is all exception of stoke.
Also Wilson could not see in front of his blind eyes that Dossevi and pericrap was the reason we struggled.
I must say I would give every player to settle in but Adam Rooney looked has tho he never have played football before at o ford And after Saturday it looked like he didn't even know how to to kick a ball.
Also you study the other teams as I'm sure slade did he would tell his players
Play on the weaklink. Who might that be you may ask? It's simple devera is not a r/b and never will be FACT.
So strip McCormack NOW
play Thompson or get a loan in (which he should have done)
Ship Rooney back to the midlands like Walsall NOW
Play your best players ferry, bostock must starts NOW.
Navarro,both rooneys,ward get shot as quick as.
Then the. Certs for promotion will be back on track.
Onwards and upwards
BillyLucas4me
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3:49pm Mon 10 Sep 12
Practise with the weaker leg in training will improve the position no end.
Bang a ball against a wall with it and practise using the weaker to control the .ball whist running.
No more missed tap-ins!
DINOMARK
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4:26pm Mon 10 Sep 12
Steve. Brentford
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4:34pm Mon 10 Sep 12
TheDukeOfBanbury
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4:39pm Mon 10 Sep 12
Steve. Brentford wrote:Spot On and be my guest please Steve.
The super managers are out in force i see! i will remember this thread and look forward to directing some of you back here to read some of the professional advice you have given or if you are from this planet i will refer to it in layman's terms which is complete and utter b0llocks.Facking super managers, i sh1t em.
who am i
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4:41pm Mon 10 Sep 12
LeGod wrote:You do half talk some sh!t...sorry but your so called rumour deserved my comment....
As much as i'm in agreement with fans who are saying we miss Caddis i'm in agreement also with PDC that as captain he set an example to the other players with his fitness levels, but i also heard it was more than what we have been told and whether the story is true or not but rumour has it he had a gambling problem and wanted more money from the club and the club werent prepared to feed his gambling habit.
Having said all that we without doubt miss the Caddis/Ritchie attacking options down the right and although De Vera can fill in for two or three games there is no way he is effective as an attacking full back as Caddis was there is no argument whatsoever with that nad as well as all the players were poor saturday he made two vital mistakes saturday with Flint for the goal and also should have driven a ball across the 6 yard box but went for glory and fluffed it.
Paolo needs to sort them out this week on the training ground as we have two tough games coming up.
the wizard
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4:53pm Mon 10 Sep 12
If you take the arm band off Macca who are you going to give it too, without it disrupting their game, RDV ? Ferry ?
Macca played at right back for a number of games last season and as Captain. I didn't see any probs with that.
What I do think is the issue effects the whole team, not just Macca, sort the issue what ever it is and things as a whole will improve. Anyway, we had a blip last season and we are having it again now, far better now and get it out of the system than around game 40, when we need to be well on top of things. This situation will be resolved, patience, quiet support, and belief, things will get better, Onwards and Upwards.
who am i
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4:54pm Mon 10 Sep 12
London Red wrote:He let the ball go because how i saw it the ball was hit with some pace towards him if he had touched the ball the likelihood would of been an own goal.
Dreams - you are right about favourites
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Hardly anyone has mentioned that Flint was at fault for the goal!!!!!
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Why the heck did he step over the ball and let it go straight through to Cook?
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Granted Devera should probably have been marking Cook tighter - but if Flint had simply hacked it away it would not have mattered!
For me most players had an off day with the exception of Raffa, Devera was woeful and in my opinion bessone was pants if he is better than Jay then ill eat my hat. Midfield was terrible clearly no creativity in there and i dont think ferry made much difference when he came on. The two strikers tried but dont look like scoring in a brothel. Having said all that everybody is entitled to an off day and i trust PDC to turn it around just as he did last season. If he doesnt then my beloved club has made one massive financial gamble that could take us years to recover from if we dont get promoted...
who am i
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4:57pm Mon 10 Sep 12
Malkym wrote:Malk i do like your posts but on this occasion have to put you right, devera allthough employed as a CB here his favoured position before he arrived was RB....
Dreams agree with your Devera comment far too many slagging the lad off in my book as I said in my post its only since we've lost a couple of games the knives have come out -and he's not playing in his ususal position - big fan of Flitny too - he was still mom for me on Saturday despite an under par performance that was in line with the rest of the team - nobody excelled!
who am i
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5:00pm Mon 10 Sep 12
smirg kcab wrote:smirg for manager....
Do we keep on turning a blind eye like we did with Wilson or just get to the crooks of the matter?
Douglas was absolute pants when given the armband, McCormack has followed very poor in every game I have watch which is all exception of stoke.
Also Wilson could not see in front of his blind eyes that Dossevi and pericrap was the reason we struggled.
I must say I would give every player to settle in but Adam Rooney looked has tho he never have played football before at o ford And after Saturday it looked like he didn't even know how to to kick a ball.
Also you study the other teams as I'm sure slade did he would tell his players
Play on the weaklink. Who might that be you may ask? It's simple devera is not a r/b and never will be FACT.
So strip McCormack NOW
play Thompson or get a loan in (which he should have done)
Ship Rooney back to the midlands like Walsall NOW
Play your best players ferry, bostock must starts NOW.
Navarro,both rooneys,ward get shot as quick as.
Then the. Certs for promotion will be back on track.
Onwards and upwards
SAPFanSTFC
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5:04pm Mon 10 Sep 12
the wizard wrote:Have to say Wiz, I though Rafa.d.V was one of the few that were on the positive side Saturday....only just but then most weren't.
We need to play players that are of a known and tested ability, within our set up, to steady the team and then integrate any newcomers steadily, so if they are not up to speed one sub is all that is needed.
If we can stabilise the RB position (Macca for now) bring Jay back on the left then that would be a good start. I would also put Bostock alongside Ferry in the middle, play Ritchie and Rooney on the wings, as Rooney caused problems on Saturday and it was good to see him trying to spice things up. For now I would put the proven Benson up front alongside Collins, while Williams is trying to find his scoring boots, maybe bring him on for the last 25 minutes.
We need stability and a team that can grind out points. Sorry but Navarro and Miller have not shown for me that they are any better than anyone else we already have, in fact, not as good as Ferry, but then again, I'm biased. SF has again raised his game, I didn't think he would, but I'm soooo very pleased he has proven me wrong.
RDV definitely first on the bench.
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I think PDC's comments about waiting until October and wanting to be Top 8 was a big statement - 1) Wait for 4 weeks is how long he needs with his new players...2) Top 8 is a low target.
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Whilst it's true that PDC needs to reign it in a bit publicly I think the players know what he is like privately.
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Out of interest - You may want to see the back page of the 'Football League Paper' from this week - Caddis won't be back under PDC for sure!
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You have to give the season 10-12 games before you judge and sadly given the JPT exit we now have 6 more games in 3 weeks from Saturday so that will be 12 matches....I'm sure we'll settle down and start to go into cruise control.......on the positive side I mean! :-)
the wizard
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5:13pm Mon 10 Sep 12
Hint why ?
Oxon-Red
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5:13pm Mon 10 Sep 12
Unlike the Shrewsbury game we didn't get the equaliser which raised our game on that occasion.
Long way to go.
COYMR
DarrenSTFCRomain
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5:16pm Mon 10 Sep 12
pdc does wot he wants wrote:Dont no if this is true BUT i was told on saturday why Caddis and Paolo fell out..
it looked like the players were scared to make mistakes because they might be the next ones to be threatend with there future at swindon ! it realy does look like all this s**t with wes and caddis is having a massive affect on some of the players!
It started off because Caddis had soup and Paolo TOLD him to eat pasta and Caddis said NO ...
Sounds stupid i no but thats was we were told by someone how works at the club with the players...
the wizard
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5:22pm Mon 10 Sep 12
DarrenSTFCRomain wrote:Another rumour is that PC had gambling debts allegedly and wanted more money to stay at the club, total rubbish, but the rumour mill is in full flow. I just cannot see someone who is tea total being lured by gambling .
pdc does wot he wants wrote:Dont no if this is true BUT i was told on saturday why Caddis and Paolo fell out..
it looked like the players were scared to make mistakes because they might be the next ones to be threatend with there future at swindon ! it realy does look like all this s**t with wes and caddis is having a massive affect on some of the players!
It started off because Caddis had soup and Paolo TOLD him to eat pasta and Caddis said NO ...
Sounds stupid i no but thats was we were told by someone how works at the club with the players...
Where would he get soup from when its a club diet if he were eating at the club at the time ? World has gone crazy.
jayden
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5:25pm Mon 10 Sep 12
the wizard wrote:Hi wiz how are you heard about Evans?
Out of interest - You may want to see the back page of the 'Football League Paper' from this week - Caddis won't be back under PDC for sure!
Hint why ?
Stilloyal
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5:28pm Mon 10 Sep 12
HE IS NOT GOING TO APPEAL :-) Is his Rotherham career over ?
jayden
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5:32pm Mon 10 Sep 12
jayden wrote:Wheres Frank Doberman today?Get that one anybody?
the wizard wrote:Hi wiz how are you heard about Evans?
Out of interest - You may want to see the back page of the 'Football League Paper' from this week - Caddis won't be back under PDC for sure!
Hint why ?
Oxon-Red
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5:40pm Mon 10 Sep 12
Stilloyal wrote:Loyal,
And now for the good news. Fat slug Evans has been given a SIX MONTH stadium ban and a "£3000 fine for his antics last season in the Crawley v Bradford game. HE IS NOT GOING TO APPEAL :-) Is his Rotherham career over ?
It is a 6 MATCH ban, I read it as months initially as well.
COYMR
Stilloyal
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5:46pm Mon 10 Sep 12
Oxon-Red wrote:Said on BBC Sports site six months . Ah well can't win them all lol.
Stilloyal wrote: And now for the good news. Fat slug Evans has been given a SIX MONTH stadium ban and a "£3000 fine for his antics last season in the Crawley v Bradford game. HE IS NOT GOING TO APPEAL :-) Is his Rotherham career over ?Loyal, It is a 6 MATCH ban, I read it as months initially as well. COYMR
DarrenSTFCRomain
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5:53pm Mon 10 Sep 12
the wizard wrote:He was eating with the players and the rest of the coaching staff and there was a lot of players looking gob-smacked as so say Paolo when mad and it started from there..
DarrenSTFCRomain wrote:Another rumour is that PC had gambling debts allegedly and wanted more money to stay at the club, total rubbish, but the rumour mill is in full flow. I just cannot see someone who is tea total being lured by gambling . Where would he get soup from when its a club diet if he were eating at the club at the time ? World has gone crazy.pdc does wot he wants wrote: it looked like the players were scared to make mistakes because they might be the next ones to be threatend with there future at swindon ! it realy does look like all this s**t with wes and caddis is having a massive affect on some of the players!Dont no if this is true BUT i was told on saturday why Caddis and Paolo fell out.. It started off because Caddis had soup and Paolo TOLD him to eat pasta and Caddis said NO ... Sounds stupid i no but thats was we were told by someone how works at the club with the players...
IF IT TRUE but it sounds so stupid to be true...
BUT when you dont agree with Paolo you dont last long as others have found out..
BUT we all know that you must agree and do what paolo tells you 2do
Old-Stager, Hilperton
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6:16pm Mon 10 Sep 12
Since the start of the season, only 4 weeks ago Town had played a total of 7 competitive matches against 4 by Leyton Orient.
I agree with everyone who said we were terrible last Saturday, but you can see why Orient had that extra spring in their step on Saturday.
smirg kcab
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6:16pm Mon 10 Sep 12
the wizard wrote:Give the arm band to any Rooney,Navarro,dever
Grims,
If you take the arm band off Macca who are you going to give it too, without it disrupting their game, RDV ? Ferry ?
Macca played at right back for a number of games last season and as Captain. I didn't see any probs with that.
What I do think is the issue effects the whole team, not just Macca, sort the issue what ever it is and things as a whole will improve. Anyway, we had a blip last season and we are having it again now, far better now and get it out of the system than around game 40, when we need to be well on top of things. This situation will be resolved, patience, quiet support, and belief, things will get better, Onwards and Upwards.
a, after all it won't have an impact on how they play.?
Oh I do like a reaction.
Some other suckers just don't learn
Onwards and upwards
Paolo we trust, but I'm open to offers
Steve. Brentford
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6:49pm Mon 10 Sep 12
smirg kcab wrote:Ive got a size 12 i can OFFER you.
the wizard wrote:Give the arm band to any Rooney,Navarro,dever
Grims,
If you take the arm band off Macca who are you going to give it too, without it disrupting their game, RDV ? Ferry ?
Macca played at right back for a number of games last season and as Captain. I didn't see any probs with that.
What I do think is the issue effects the whole team, not just Macca, sort the issue what ever it is and things as a whole will improve. Anyway, we had a blip last season and we are having it again now, far better now and get it out of the system than around game 40, when we need to be well on top of things. This situation will be resolved, patience, quiet support, and belief, things will get better, Onwards and Upwards.
a, after all it won't have an impact on how they play.?
Oh I do like a reaction.
Some other suckers just don't learn
Onwards and upwards
Paolo we trust, but I'm open to offers
Stratton Red
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7:48pm Mon 10 Sep 12
Stilloyal wrote:six match...
And now for the good news. Fat slug Evans has been given a SIX MONTH stadium ban and a "£3000 fine for his antics last season in the Crawley v Bradford game. HE IS NOT GOING TO APPEAL :-) Is his Rotherham career over ?
red white
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7:52pm Mon 10 Sep 12
Old-Stager, Hilperton wrote:Very good point.
One thing that has not been mentioned by anyone so far is that Swindon Town had just played 3 games in 6 days, whereas Orient had not played at all in those 6 days, due to a postponement the previous week.
Since the start of the season, only 4 weeks ago Town had played a total of 7 competitive matches against 4 by Leyton Orient.
I agree with everyone who said we were terrible last Saturday, but you can see why Orient had that extra spring in their step on Saturday.
We've been flat out since when,the start of July?
We are having an early season,late summer dip!
Normal service will resume shortly!
Malkym
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8:28pm Mon 10 Sep 12
jayden wrote:Bilko?
jayden wrote:Wheres Frank Doberman today?Get that one anybody?
the wizard wrote:Hi wiz how are you heard about Evans?
Out of interest - You may want to see the back page of the 'Football League Paper' from this week - Caddis won't be back under PDC for sure!
Hint why ?
Malkym
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8:31pm Mon 10 Sep 12
who am i wrote:whoami I vie to your greater knowledge not too hot on Joe's history before Town.
Malkym wrote:Malk i do like your posts but on this occasion have to put you right, devera allthough employed as a CB here his favoured position before he arrived was RB....
Dreams agree with your Devera comment far too many slagging the lad off in my book as I said in my post its only since we've lost a couple of games the knives have come out -and he's not playing in his ususal position - big fan of Flitny too - he was still mom for me on Saturday despite an under par performance that was in line with the rest of the team - nobody excelled!
Malkym
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8:34pm Mon 10 Sep 12
Stratton Red wrote:Not good if Rotherham are in your league winners accumulator eh Stratton! Mind you I've got Town in mine as well lol!
Stilloyal wrote:six match...
And now for the good news. Fat slug Evans has been given a SIX MONTH stadium ban and a "£3000 fine for his antics last season in the Crawley v Bradford game. HE IS NOT GOING TO APPEAL :-) Is his Rotherham career over ?
smirg kcab
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8:35pm Mon 10 Sep 12
Steve. Brentford wrote:that may be a tad tight?
smirg kcab wrote:Ive got a size 12 i can OFFER you.the wizard wrote: Grims, If you take the arm band off Macca who are you going to give it too, without it disrupting their game, RDV ? Ferry ? Macca played at right back for a number of games last season and as Captain. I didn't see any probs with that. What I do think is the issue effects the whole team, not just Macca, sort the issue what ever it is and things as a whole will improve. Anyway, we had a blip last season and we are having it again now, far better now and get it out of the system than around game 40, when we need to be well on top of things. This situation will be resolved, patience, quiet support, and belief, things will get better, Onwards and Upwards.Give the arm band to any Rooney,Navarro,dever a, after all it won't have an impact on how they play.? Oh I do like a reaction. Some other suckers just don't learn Onwards and upwards Paolo we trust, but I'm open to offers
onwards and upwards
Devon Red
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8:41pm Mon 10 Sep 12
ShearerShearer
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8:42pm Mon 10 Sep 12
There wasn't a queue of last season's players wanting to leave, in fact some have willing stayed or come back when they could have easily looked elsewhere.
It has been stated that nothing has changed since last season in terms of the way the club is run.
There are some new players and a there has been a bust up with Caddis (and if the rumours on that are true on that, then no wonder Paolo is frustrated with the attitudes of some of his players).
I think the clues are in Paolo's interview with references to some players being more interested in the gold watch than hard work.
the wizard
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8:44pm Mon 10 Sep 12
jayden wrote:Evans, ah yes, The Sluggard.
the wizard wrote:Hi wiz how are you heard about Evans?
Out of interest - You may want to see the back page of the 'Football League Paper' from this week - Caddis won't be back under PDC for sure!
Hint why ?
Thanks to Jayden and Malkym, no I hadn't got the rapturous good news until you told me. Blimmey I can see the headlines, "Pellet makers on short time".
Obviously the authorities were saving up his mis domeanors and punished them collectively, nice doesn't come close.
smirg kcab
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8:52pm Mon 10 Sep 12
"We have very good players but football is not just about technique, it's about the brain, mentally
his words not mine.
mistakes will be made like last year, but he is not that stupid to rectify it.
first home defeat in a year,settling in period for new players,
looking forward to playing his strongest side at carlise then the points will come flooding in,
onwards and upwards.
eieieio to be bookies we will go.
SeanG92
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8:57pm Mon 10 Sep 12
Look we have had a terrible week, no doubt about that. But that's all it is!! 1 week. Out of an entire season!! Some 'fans' need to get a grip. Those idiots chanting 'Caddis', don't bother coming if thats how your going to act, the players need support not calls for a player who jumped ship at the first chance!
1 bad week and some people start saying Paolo isnt good enough!! Get a grip, look at things in perspective and either truly support Paolo and the team or stop bloody pretending to.
castle9
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9:05pm Mon 10 Sep 12
ShearerShearer wrote:Agree, this 'fear factor' talk has been overplayed. Football is all about confidence and we had just lost our previous two games which was bound to make the players cautious/nervous.
Not sure I agree with all this "fear factor" talk.
There wasn't a queue of last season's players wanting to leave, in fact some have willing stayed or come back when they could have easily looked elsewhere.
It has been stated that nothing has changed since last season in terms of the way the club is run.
There are some new players and a there has been a bust up with Caddis (and if the rumours on that are true on that, then no wonder Paolo is frustrated with the attitudes of some of his players).
I think the clues are in Paolo's interview with references to some players being more interested in the gold watch than hard work.
Paolo's comments were aimed at the change in footballers and society generally - in that money has come toe asy for these young men before they have earnt it. ..and he's not wrong.
the wizard
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9:05pm Mon 10 Sep 12
SeanG92 wrote:Doom and Gloom, never, now that Evans has a ban, I've got the single malt out. Just a wee dram for medicinal purposes you understand.
God so much doom and gloom!!
Look we have had a terrible week, no doubt about that. But that's all it is!! 1 week. Out of an entire season!! Some 'fans' need to get a grip. Those idiots chanting 'Caddis', don't bother coming if thats how your going to act, the players need support not calls for a player who jumped ship at the first chance!
1 bad week and some people start saying Paolo isnt good enough!! Get a grip, look at things in perspective and either truly support Paolo and the team or stop bloody pretending to.
Y..................E
.................S !!!
castle9
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9:08pm Mon 10 Sep 12
DINOMARK wrote:At last, some common sense in a mire of negativity!
As I said after the match yes it was disappointing but people should keep things in perspective. A year undefeated, a championship, a visit to wembley and about 6 cup upsets...and how easily people forget he lost both his parents during that time...at the end of the day PDC is still a rookie manager and will make mistakes but some of his management style is to do with trying to keep egos in check and keep the team grounded. Three weeks ago people were on here saying they'd never been prouder of being a town fan, now its questioning PDC and suggesting he will walk. If you read his biography and life story the guy is actually a principled and loyal character, give him a break FFS. The same applies to some of the criticisms about players...Devera had a mare but is an honest pro...the same way people are criticising Paolo for his comments about players take a look at your own comments...Devera is useless, drop him, get in a loan etc....isnt that exactly the same...he has one bad game and is hung out to dry. Just remember, while Wilson was a problem, the constant moaning and negativity and his decision to walk resulted in us ending up with Paul Hart...come on Town fans, be careful what you wish for and show a little patience!
Get real people, that was our first defeat at home in a year - it happens!
Onwards and upwards to the next game, we don't have a right to win them all.
Steve. Brentford
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9:20pm Mon 10 Sep 12
smirg kcab wrote:Hahaha, i will push it up hard don't worry.
Steve. Brentford wrote:that may be a tad tight?
smirg kcab wrote:Ive got a size 12 i can OFFER you.the wizard wrote: Grims, If you take the arm band off Macca who are you going to give it too, without it disrupting their game, RDV ? Ferry ? Macca played at right back for a number of games last season and as Captain. I didn't see any probs with that. What I do think is the issue effects the whole team, not just Macca, sort the issue what ever it is and things as a whole will improve. Anyway, we had a blip last season and we are having it again now, far better now and get it out of the system than around game 40, when we need to be well on top of things. This situation will be resolved, patience, quiet support, and belief, things will get better, Onwards and Upwards.Give the arm band to any Rooney,Navarro,dever a, after all it won't have an impact on how they play.? Oh I do like a reaction. Some other suckers just don't learn Onwards and upwards Paolo we trust, but I'm open to offers
onwards and upwards
avo
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9:28pm Mon 10 Sep 12
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I think we have done really well so far and Saturday was just a blip in an otherwise immense home record under the stewardship of the good ship Paolo.
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I have multiple personality disorder AND I support Swindon Town. Someone told me the other day that those two go hand in hand, at least I think it was someone else, or was it just the voices in my head?
London Red
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9:29pm Mon 10 Sep 12
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8 have played in all 8, 1 in 7 and 4 in 6
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Injury has prevent players Ritchie playing in all 8 and Collins missed 2 through injury and international duty - both of these are part of the 6 crew
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Benson has appeared in 5 - he too only missed games through injury
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So as with last year - despite the perception we are chopping and changing all the time - We have a core spine playing week in week out
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In fact 9 have featured in all 5 league games
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Wes Devera Macca Miller RDV and Williams have started every game
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Ritchie would have been in that list too had he not picked up a knock
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Collins joins them in the league as he has only missed cup games
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Ferry is one who has 8 appearances - but that is obviously split between starting and coming on
jayden
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9:30pm Mon 10 Sep 12
Malkym wrote:no the Harry Enfield character in his mid fiftys sits in the pub spouting **** to his mate ,mainly thinking that he will slap anyone who disarees with him and lives in a fantasy world and hates everyone ,and comes alive after 10 after a few pints.Now who am i?
jayden wrote:Bilko?
jayden wrote:Wheres Frank Doberman today?Get that one anybody?
the wizard wrote:Hi wiz how are you heard about Evans?
Out of interest - You may want to see the back page of the 'Football League Paper' from this week - Caddis won't be back under PDC for sure!
Hint why ?
London Red
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9:31pm Mon 10 Sep 12
jayden
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9:35pm Mon 10 Sep 12
Steve. Brentford wrote:Hi steve good weekend? You going to Pourtsmouth?
smirg kcab wrote:Hahaha, i will push it up hard don't worry.
Steve. Brentford wrote:that may be a tad tight?
smirg kcab wrote:Ive got a size 12 i can OFFER you.the wizard wrote: Grims, If you take the arm band off Macca who are you going to give it too, without it disrupting their game, RDV ? Ferry ? Macca played at right back for a number of games last season and as Captain. I didn't see any probs with that. What I do think is the issue effects the whole team, not just Macca, sort the issue what ever it is and things as a whole will improve. Anyway, we had a blip last season and we are having it again now, far better now and get it out of the system than around game 40, when we need to be well on top of things. This situation will be resolved, patience, quiet support, and belief, things will get better, Onwards and Upwards.Give the arm band to any Rooney,Navarro,dever a, after all it won't have an impact on how they play.? Oh I do like a reaction. Some other suckers just don't learn Onwards and upwards Paolo we trust, but I'm open to offers
onwards and upwards
southside7
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9:36pm Mon 10 Sep 12
castle9 wrote:Whilst I disagree on the fear factor thing(I really think they are **** themselves every time they get the ball). I am fully with you on the footballers bubble, dreamworld, money thing. I love it when he lays into them about being obsessed with money and buying their first range rover and looking like a midget when they drive it.....superb.
ShearerShearer wrote:Agree, this 'fear factor' talk has been overplayed. Football is all about confidence and we had just lost our previous two games which was bound to make the players cautious/nervous.
Not sure I agree with all this "fear factor" talk.
There wasn't a queue of last season's players wanting to leave, in fact some have willing stayed or come back when they could have easily looked elsewhere.
It has been stated that nothing has changed since last season in terms of the way the club is run.
There are some new players and a there has been a bust up with Caddis (and if the rumours on that are true on that, then no wonder Paolo is frustrated with the attitudes of some of his players).
I think the clues are in Paolo's interview with references to some players being more interested in the gold watch than hard work.
Paolo's comments were aimed at the change in footballers and society generally - in that money has come toe asy for these young men before they have earnt it. ..and he's not wrong.
smirg kcab
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9:37pm Mon 10 Sep 12
Steve. Brentford wrote:no i will not meet you behind the bike sheds the wife wont be to happy.
smirg kcab wrote:Hahaha, i will push it up hard don't worry.Steve. Brentford wrote:that may be a tad tight? onwards and upwardssmirg kcab wrote:Ive got a size 12 i can OFFER you.the wizard wrote: Grims, If you take the arm band off Macca who are you going to give it too, without it disrupting their game, RDV ? Ferry ? Macca played at right back for a number of games last season and as Captain. I didn't see any probs with that. What I do think is the issue effects the whole team, not just Macca, sort the issue what ever it is and things as a whole will improve. Anyway, we had a blip last season and we are having it again now, far better now and get it out of the system than around game 40, when we need to be well on top of things. This situation will be resolved, patience, quiet support, and belief, things will get better, Onwards and Upwards.Give the arm band to any Rooney,Navarro,dever a, after all it won't have an impact on how they play.? Oh I do like a reaction. Some other suckers just don't learn Onwards and upwards Paolo we trust, but I'm open to offers
onwards and upwards
Devon Red
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9:40pm Mon 10 Sep 12
Steve. Brentford
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9:42pm Mon 10 Sep 12
avo wrote:Yep, no, ummm, i think you will fit in just fine, fck you and welcome my friend :O)
I think I might slit my wrists, such is the failure of our season so far. I can only see relegation, times two and conference football in 2014/15.
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I think we have done really well so far and Saturday was just a blip in an otherwise immense home record under the stewardship of the good ship Paolo.
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I have multiple personality disorder AND I support Swindon Town. Someone told me the other day that those two go hand in hand, at least I think it was someone else, or was it just the voices in my head?
jayden
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9:47pm Mon 10 Sep 12
jayden wrote:where the hell is pourtsmouth you Witney dick
Steve. Brentford wrote:Hi steve good weekend? You going to Pourtsmouth?
smirg kcab wrote:Hahaha, i will push it up hard don't worry.
Steve. Brentford wrote:that may be a tad tight?
smirg kcab wrote:Ive got a size 12 i can OFFER you.the wizard wrote: Grims, If you take the arm band off Macca who are you going to give it too, without it disrupting their game, RDV ? Ferry ? Macca played at right back for a number of games last season and as Captain. I didn't see any probs with that. What I do think is the issue effects the whole team, not just Macca, sort the issue what ever it is and things as a whole will improve. Anyway, we had a blip last season and we are having it again now, far better now and get it out of the system than around game 40, when we need to be well on top of things. This situation will be resolved, patience, quiet support, and belief, things will get better, Onwards and Upwards.Give the arm band to any Rooney,Navarro,dever a, after all it won't have an impact on how they play.? Oh I do like a reaction. Some other suckers just don't learn Onwards and upwards Paolo we trust, but I'm open to offers
onwards and upwards
jayden
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9:52pm Mon 10 Sep 12
jayden wrote:Come on Jayden apologize to Jayden ,no you are Jayden ,no you are.
jayden wrote:where the hell is pourtsmouth you Witney dick
Steve. Brentford wrote:Hi steve good weekend? You going to Pourtsmouth?
smirg kcab wrote:Hahaha, i will push it up hard don't worry.
Steve. Brentford wrote:that may be a tad tight?
smirg kcab wrote:Ive got a size 12 i can OFFER you.the wizard wrote: Grims, If you take the arm band off Macca who are you going to give it too, without it disrupting their game, RDV ? Ferry ? Macca played at right back for a number of games last season and as Captain. I didn't see any probs with that. What I do think is the issue effects the whole team, not just Macca, sort the issue what ever it is and things as a whole will improve. Anyway, we had a blip last season and we are having it again now, far better now and get it out of the system than around game 40, when we need to be well on top of things. This situation will be resolved, patience, quiet support, and belief, things will get better, Onwards and Upwards.Give the arm band to any Rooney,Navarro,dever a, after all it won't have an impact on how they play.? Oh I do like a reaction. Some other suckers just don't learn Onwards and upwards Paolo we trust, but I'm open to offers
onwards and upwards
London Red
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9:55pm Mon 10 Sep 12
Steve. Brentford
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10:00pm Mon 10 Sep 12
jayden wrote:Definitely going to Pompey Jayden, one of my best friends is a Pompey fan so i`m going him,haha he`s driving i'm drinking :O) give me a shout on here if you are going and we`ll try and meet up mate, and don't knock ol Frank Doberman cause i`ll say OI Jayden NNNOOOOO,DONT COME ON ERE GIVING ALL THAT BLAH BLAH BLAH.......
Steve. Brentford wrote:Hi steve good weekend? You going to Pourtsmouth?
smirg kcab wrote:Hahaha, i will push it up hard don't worry.
Steve. Brentford wrote:that may be a tad tight?
smirg kcab wrote:Ive got a size 12 i can OFFER you.the wizard wrote: Grims, If you take the arm band off Macca who are you going to give it too, without it disrupting their game, RDV ? Ferry ? Macca played at right back for a number of games last season and as Captain. I didn't see any probs with that. What I do think is the issue effects the whole team, not just Macca, sort the issue what ever it is and things as a whole will improve. Anyway, we had a blip last season and we are having it again now, far better now and get it out of the system than around game 40, when we need to be well on top of things. This situation will be resolved, patience, quiet support, and belief, things will get better, Onwards and Upwards.Give the arm band to any Rooney,Navarro,dever a, after all it won't have an impact on how they play.? Oh I do like a reaction. Some other suckers just don't learn Onwards and upwards Paolo we trust, but I'm open to offers
onwards and upwards
Grim, don't know if they still have bike sheds anymore, do they? i'm sure you will know.Would you prefer pointed or steel toe-cap?
jayden
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10:04pm Mon 10 Sep 12
Steve. Brentford wrote:Yes that would be good steve we will sort something out this time cheers mate YOU WOULD BE QUITE WITH IN YOUR RIGHTS THEIR FRANK.
jayden wrote:Definitely going to Pompey Jayden, one of my best friends is a Pompey fan so i`m going him,haha he`s driving i'm drinking :O) give me a shout on here if you are going and we`ll try and meet up mate, and don't knock ol Frank Doberman cause i`ll say OI Jayden NNNOOOOO,DONT COME ON ERE GIVING ALL THAT BLAH BLAH BLAH.......
Steve. Brentford wrote:Hi steve good weekend? You going to Pourtsmouth?
smirg kcab wrote:Hahaha, i will push it up hard don't worry.
Steve. Brentford wrote:that may be a tad tight?
smirg kcab wrote:Ive got a size 12 i can OFFER you.the wizard wrote: Grims, If you take the arm band off Macca who are you going to give it too, without it disrupting their game, RDV ? Ferry ? Macca played at right back for a number of games last season and as Captain. I didn't see any probs with that. What I do think is the issue effects the whole team, not just Macca, sort the issue what ever it is and things as a whole will improve. Anyway, we had a blip last season and we are having it again now, far better now and get it out of the system than around game 40, when we need to be well on top of things. This situation will be resolved, patience, quiet support, and belief, things will get better, Onwards and Upwards.Give the arm band to any Rooney,Navarro,dever a, after all it won't have an impact on how they play.? Oh I do like a reaction. Some other suckers just don't learn Onwards and upwards Paolo we trust, but I'm open to offers
onwards and upwards
Grim, don't know if they still have bike sheds anymore, do they? i'm sure you will know.Would you prefer pointed or steel toe-cap?
Oxon-Red
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10:06pm Mon 10 Sep 12
jayden wrote:Wiz, I mean James, sorry Jayden.
jayden wrote:Come on Jayden apologize to Jayden ,no you are Jayden ,no you are.jayden wrote:where the hell is pourtsmouth you Witney dickSteve. Brentford wrote:Hi steve good weekend? You going to Pourtsmouth?smirg kcab wrote:Hahaha, i will push it up hard don't worry.Steve. Brentford wrote:that may be a tad tight? onwards and upwardssmirg kcab wrote:Ive got a size 12 i can OFFER you.the wizard wrote: Grims, If you take the arm band off Macca who are you going to give it too, without it disrupting their game, RDV ? Ferry ? Macca played at right back for a number of games last season and as Captain. I didn't see any probs with that. What I do think is the issue effects the whole team, not just Macca, sort the issue what ever it is and things as a whole will improve. Anyway, we had a blip last season and we are having it again now, far better now and get it out of the system than around game 40, when we need to be well on top of things. This situation will be resolved, patience, quiet support, and belief, things will get better, Onwards and Upwards.Give the arm band to any Rooney,Navarro,dever a, after all it won't have an impact on how they play.? Oh I do like a reaction. Some other suckers just don't learn Onwards and upwards Paolo we trust, but I'm open to offers
You are the poster that only posts when Town lose ! You are JB you Dick :-)
COYMR
joey butler
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10:27pm Mon 10 Sep 12
Oxon-Red wrote:Well all of you fiackers have made me laugh on here this last hour tonight and I genuinely thank you for that.
jayden wrote:Wiz, I mean James, sorry Jayden.
jayden wrote:Come on Jayden apologize to Jayden ,no you are Jayden ,no you are.jayden wrote:where the hell is pourtsmouth you Witney dickSteve. Brentford wrote:Hi steve good weekend? You going to Pourtsmouth?smirg kcab wrote:Hahaha, i will push it up hard don't worry.Steve. Brentford wrote:that may be a tad tight? onwards and upwardssmirg kcab wrote:Ive got a size 12 i can OFFER you.the wizard wrote: Grims, If you take the arm band off Macca who are you going to give it too, without it disrupting their game, RDV ? Ferry ? Macca played at right back for a number of games last season and as Captain. I didn't see any probs with that. What I do think is the issue effects the whole team, not just Macca, sort the issue what ever it is and things as a whole will improve. Anyway, we had a blip last season and we are having it again now, far better now and get it out of the system than around game 40, when we need to be well on top of things. This situation will be resolved, patience, quiet support, and belief, things will get better, Onwards and Upwards.Give the arm band to any Rooney,Navarro,dever a, after all it won't have an impact on how they play.? Oh I do like a reaction. Some other suckers just don't learn Onwards and upwards Paolo we trust, but I'm open to offers
You are the poster that only posts when Town lose ! You are JB you Dick :-)
COYMR
And Steve from Brentford in particular, but also the Witney lads, thank you!
gaz2612
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11:17pm Mon 10 Sep 12
forzaswindon12
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11:36pm Mon 10 Sep 12
gaz2612 wrote:devera should not ever be played at RB again in my opinion. It would have been better to have played McCormack at RB and devera at CB his natural position.
PDC requires respect from the players and this should be both ways. He cannot keep blaming individual players or saying all the players need more training. If he has a problem with any of them then this should be dealt with in the dressing room. The match was very poor on Saturday due to poor team selection and players who were scared of making a mistake. Ferry should start when fit, Jay should still be at left back as he has always done well. Why was Bostock left on the bench for the whole match?? Very disappointing, but if PDC changes his ways to players, I am sure that we will start winning and climbing the league. It is early days and there is a long way to go. I note that super sub Connell did the same at Bradford at the weekend!
with caddis leaving I think we could have an issue there long term. (unless N thompson or McCormack can adapt and do the business).
Agree Ferry should start, Mcevely back at LB and Gary roberts and Archibald henville back soon?.
very disappointing result on saturday thought it was a home banker but certainly no knee jerk panic yet.
supersaver
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11:49pm Mon 10 Sep 12
He needs to stop blaming individuals in the media.
He is still learning himself.
We have a very good squad of players.
He needs to stop making so many changes to the team.
We were playing well, 1 change at a time if you must, use the subs bench for the new players.
Rebel_phish
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2:23am Tue 11 Sep 12
What a match that was... and I'm not talking football.
old town robin
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7:42am Tue 11 Sep 12
Rebel_phish wrote:I'm assuming you're referring to Murray winning his first grand slam.
Wow.
What a match that was... and I'm not talking football.
Didn't stay up to see it myself, but it was coming ans it's great to have a Brit winning a championship after his success in hte olympics..
southside7
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7:49am Tue 11 Sep 12
old town robin wrote:The Olympics is Mickey Mouse compared to this. This is the big one we've been waiting for. Fantastic Murray.
Rebel_phish wrote:I'm assuming you're referring to Murray winning his first grand slam.
Wow.
What a match that was... and I'm not talking football.
Didn't stay up to see it myself, but it was coming ans it's great to have a Brit winning a championship after his success in hte olympics..
London Red
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7:53am Tue 11 Sep 12
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As for Macca at RB with Devera at CB we tried that last year and it was a disaster - we got better once they swapped
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Plus Flint and Devera don't work as a pair
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For Carlisle I would suggest
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Fodders
Thompson Devera Ward Bessone
Ferry Macca
Ritchie Bostock RDV
Collins
old town robin
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8:15am Tue 11 Sep 12
forzaswindon12 wrote:Agree with all your comments Forza, especially about our problems at right back. Paolo's style of playing is based on full backs getting forward to support the two wing midfielders. Unfortunately Devera doesn't have that ability in his locker as much as he might try to do so, he just doesn't have it at this level. he has been given a run of games and he hasn't quite been able to make the position his to keep. I don't see him as the long term answer and will be surprised if he starts at RB against Carlisle.
gaz2612 wrote:devera should not ever be played at RB again in my opinion. It would have been better to have played McCormack at RB and devera at CB his natural position.
PDC requires respect from the players and this should be both ways. He cannot keep blaming individual players or saying all the players need more training. If he has a problem with any of them then this should be dealt with in the dressing room. The match was very poor on Saturday due to poor team selection and players who were scared of making a mistake. Ferry should start when fit, Jay should still be at left back as he has always done well. Why was Bostock left on the bench for the whole match?? Very disappointing, but if PDC changes his ways to players, I am sure that we will start winning and climbing the league. It is early days and there is a long way to go. I note that super sub Connell did the same at Bradford at the weekend!
with caddis leaving I think we could have an issue there long term. (unless N thompson or McCormack can adapt and do the business).
Agree Ferry should start, Mcevely back at LB and Gary roberts and Archibald henville back soon?.
very disappointing result on saturday thought it was a home banker but certainly no knee jerk panic yet.
Paolo may, as you suggest move him back into the middle and try Macca out at RB, don't think he would do any better than Joe, a stop gap solution at best. He could even consider trying Besonne to play there, think he is quite a good player, not sure if he's strong enough to replace Jay at LB. we'll see who plays where the next game, but a settled back 4 has ot be a priority.
The two other options would be to bring in an emergency loan or personally I would like to see Nathan Thompson given his chance, I've only seen him a couple of times and was impressed and I'm sure he has got better and stronger since then.
5 more days to wait and see and all will be revealed which direction paolo has decided is best for the team.
the wizard
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8:23am Tue 11 Sep 12
old town robin wrote:Old Town Robin, I think you are right on Thompson, there are quite a few who would like to see him given the chance.
forzaswindon12 wrote:Agree with all your comments Forza, especially about our problems at right back. Paolo's style of playing is based on full backs getting forward to support the two wing midfielders. Unfortunately Devera doesn't have that ability in his locker as much as he might try to do so, he just doesn't have it at this level. he has been given a run of games and he hasn't quite been able to make the position his to keep. I don't see him as the long term answer and will be surprised if he starts at RB against Carlisle.
gaz2612 wrote:devera should not ever be played at RB again in my opinion. It would have been better to have played McCormack at RB and devera at CB his natural position.
PDC requires respect from the players and this should be both ways. He cannot keep blaming individual players or saying all the players need more training. If he has a problem with any of them then this should be dealt with in the dressing room. The match was very poor on Saturday due to poor team selection and players who were scared of making a mistake. Ferry should start when fit, Jay should still be at left back as he has always done well. Why was Bostock left on the bench for the whole match?? Very disappointing, but if PDC changes his ways to players, I am sure that we will start winning and climbing the league. It is early days and there is a long way to go. I note that super sub Connell did the same at Bradford at the weekend!
with caddis leaving I think we could have an issue there long term. (unless N thompson or McCormack can adapt and do the business).
Agree Ferry should start, Mcevely back at LB and Gary roberts and Archibald henville back soon?.
very disappointing result on saturday thought it was a home banker but certainly no knee jerk panic yet.
Paolo may, as you suggest move him back into the middle and try Macca out at RB, don't think he would do any better than Joe, a stop gap solution at best. He could even consider trying Besonne to play there, think he is quite a good player, not sure if he's strong enough to replace Jay at LB. we'll see who plays where the next game, but a settled back 4 has ot be a priority.
The two other options would be to bring in an emergency loan or personally I would like to see Nathan Thompson given his chance, I've only seen him a couple of times and was impressed and I'm sure he has got better and stronger since then.
5 more days to wait and see and all will be revealed which direction paolo has decided is best for the team.
I'm sure Canioman will sort things out on a gradual basis. One point on Saturday would be nice, three would come in more than handy. I'd settle for the draw right now given the last three games.
Jay has only been out due to injury so I expect him back if he is fit at the weekend.
hertz
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9:57am Tue 11 Sep 12
London Red
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2:50pm Tue 11 Sep 12
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Footballers generally know there will be 2 for each position and with PdC in some cases he wants 5 and has been open about this since arriving
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So if you are a player in a position that has not got that number you would naturally expect another to join - also lots have said that competition is good and keeps you on your toes
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Using you project example - if you were working on one but below head count - would you be demotivated if additional resource was brought in to bring that up to the budgeted amount? I'm sure some would love a few games off here and there - Benson certainly would have last season and has said that!
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In the case of our new boys:
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Ward - Devera has been playing as RB and until last game or 2 was doing very well there - we did keep 5 clean sheets in a row after all!
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So with him now as an RB we only had 3 CBs and 1 was injured so a new CB maked logical sense - no new numbers as Caddis has gone out keeping the defence static
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Bessone - direct replacement for Cibbo who had to leave for personal reasons
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Coke - direct replacement (or upgrade if you like) for Risser
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Rooney - we only had 3 senior forwards so a 4th has been on the shopping list all summer
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Bostock - is really the odd one out as not filling in any obvious gaps or replacing an outgoing bods.
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However, we know PdC likes 5 so Bostock gives extra cover/options in both midfield and attack as he can play in both
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Also we know PdC has wanted him as he believes he gives us another dimention compared to the exisitng players - i.e can allow a 451 or 4231 as he plays in the hole - which if all are honest no one else bar possibly Ritchie could actually do that
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OK 5 arriving at once and not being the first day of pre-season could cuase some disruption (the friend reunited comment by PdC!) but thats the beast of the Transfer window and will have been the same at a few other clubs and for years now
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We couldn't also delay them as all are here on 6 month deals and that has to be completed in August otherwise it is 90 days only - causing more overhaul like last season
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Also on top of that as pointed out NO new boys started at Preston and only 1 started against Orient - so the existing lads should see they have not been "undermined" as they were still being picked!
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As Wiz pointed out McEverley is actually injured and he is the only one "replaced"
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I think it is more a case of got too big for their boots - got a hammering - a bollocking and now have a case of shaken nerves
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A week training, being built up by PdC again, the new boys settling in, others returning from injury and we should see the ship return on course
London Red
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2:52pm Tue 11 Sep 12
dreamofacleansheet2
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3:15pm Tue 11 Sep 12
Who knows whether there has been a lack of intensity in training we lose, Paolo goes I told you so. Players work it out and way we go.
All this nonsense on Macca and Devera is doing my head in. Yes one has had two bad games the other one but maybe that was due to changing partners and having a different midfield in front and the whole team not being able to string passes together therefore inviting more pressure.
Paolo's (sorry my) team for Saturday.
Super Sir Wes
JD TAH Macca Jay
Ritchie Ferry Miller RDV
Collins WIlliams
He will probably only put Ferry on the bench but I hope the penny has dropped.
May I also point out that after Saturday away at Carlisle we will have done our three furthest away trips which will help with recovery times between games as the season progresses. (Assuming we don't draw the Toon, the Macams or the Weirsiders away in the FA Cup quarter final!
Back to back to back promotions coming. Watching the birth of a managerial legend. Isn't he already? Build a statue of him when he takes us to the Premiership.
dreamofacleansheet2
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3:20pm Tue 11 Sep 12
RAYSPARROW
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3:21pm Tue 11 Sep 12
Malkym
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5:41pm Tue 11 Sep 12
Malkym
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5:45pm Tue 11 Sep 12
joey butler wrote:I hate you butler!! just to let you know I'll be adding a login just for you Butler - think I'll call myself BLAKEY!!v Lots of love from another Witney lad that isn't but if it floats your boat to think that dream on Joseph!
Oxon-Red wrote:Well all of you fiackers have made me laugh on here this last hour tonight and I genuinely thank you for that. And Steve from Brentford in particular, but also the Witney lads, thank you!jayden wrote:Wiz, I mean James, sorry Jayden. You are the poster that only posts when Town lose ! You are JB you Dick :-) COYMRjayden wrote:Come on Jayden apologize to Jayden ,no you are Jayden ,no you are.jayden wrote:where the hell is pourtsmouth you Witney dickSteve. Brentford wrote:Hi steve good weekend? You going to Pourtsmouth?smirg kcab wrote:Hahaha, i will push it up hard don't worry.Steve. Brentford wrote:that may be a tad tight? onwards and upwardssmirg kcab wrote:Ive got a size 12 i can OFFER you.the wizard wrote: Grims, If you take the arm band off Macca who are you going to give it too, without it disrupting their game, RDV ? Ferry ? Macca played at right back for a number of games last season and as Captain. I didn't see any probs with that. What I do think is the issue effects the whole team, not just Macca, sort the issue what ever it is and things as a whole will improve. Anyway, we had a blip last season and we are having it again now, far better now and get it out of the system than around game 40, when we need to be well on top of things. This situation will be resolved, patience, quiet support, and belief, things will get better, Onwards and Upwards.Give the arm band to any Rooney,Navarro,dever a, after all it won't have an impact on how they play.? Oh I do like a reaction. Some other suckers just don't learn Onwards and upwards Paolo we trust, but I'm open to offers
Malkym
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5:52pm Tue 11 Sep 12
Steve. Brentford wrote:Are you Ok Steve (Brentford) Witney?
avo wrote: I think I might slit my wrists, such is the failure of our season so far. I can only see relegation, times two and conference football in 2014/15. . I think we have done really well so far and Saturday was just a blip in an otherwise immense home record under the stewardship of the good ship Paolo. . I have multiple personality disorder AND I support Swindon Town. Someone told me the other day that those two go hand in hand, at least I think it was someone else, or was it just the voices in my head?Yep, no, ummm, i think you will fit in just fine, fck you and welcome my friend :O)
Joeys favourite song - " I am you and you are me and we are all from Witney"... oh and bags I be Jayden - Jayden? if thats ok with Jayden can you ask him?
forzaswindon12
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7:01pm Tue 11 Sep 12
London Red wrote:I dont think devera is the long term solution at RB, he is a much better centre back (he was poor at RB at barnet aswell) and I think he can partner flint as he did last season and do well enough at this level, and even chip in with the odd goal.
For all those being very critical of PdC I suggest you read, then re-read and then digest what is written in the final paragraph of the Bessone article (not sure why no comments allowed there?)
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As for Macca at RB with Devera at CB we tried that last year and it was a disaster - we got better once they swapped
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Plus Flint and Devera don't work as a pair
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For Carlisle I would suggest
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Fodders
Thompson Devera Ward Bessone
Ferry Macca
Ritchie Bostock RDV
Collins
having said this I think we would agree that archibald henville would come straight back in, once recovered to partner flint most likely as thats a strong partnership.(with good back up options in AM devera ward)
I agree with old town robin that we need to bring nathan thompson in at RB to see if he is the solution asap. But Id play AM at RB over devera given the choice.
my suggestion for team against carlisle assuming roberts henville Mcevely dont make it would be;
fodders N thompson, Flint, Alan Mac, bessone, Ritchie, Ferry, Miller, RDV, Williams A Rooney
subs bostock collins benson coke L rooney navarro ward
jayden
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7:29pm Tue 11 Sep 12
Malkym wrote:what the hells up with you now ? Tues free food for oaps and old scrots and stay away from those kids"
Steve. Brentford wrote:Are you Ok Steve (Brentford) Witney?
avo wrote: I think I might slit my wrists, such is the failure of our season so far. I can only see relegation, times two and conference football in 2014/15. . I think we have done really well so far and Saturday was just a blip in an otherwise immense home record under the stewardship of the good ship Paolo. . I have multiple personality disorder AND I support Swindon Town. Someone told me the other day that those two go hand in hand, at least I think it was someone else, or was it just the voices in my head?Yep, no, ummm, i think you will fit in just fine, fck you and welcome my friend :O)
Joeys favourite song - " I am you and you are me and we are all from Witney"... oh and bags I be Jayden - Jayden? if thats ok with Jayden can you ask him?
jayden
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7:36pm Tue 11 Sep 12
jayden wrote:What was that all about?
Malkym wrote:what the hells up with you now ? Tues free food for oaps and old scrots and stay away from those kids"
Steve. Brentford wrote:Are you Ok Steve (Brentford) Witney?
avo wrote: I think I might slit my wrists, such is the failure of our season so far. I can only see relegation, times two and conference football in 2014/15. . I think we have done really well so far and Saturday was just a blip in an otherwise immense home record under the stewardship of the good ship Paolo. . I have multiple personality disorder AND I support Swindon Town. Someone told me the other day that those two go hand in hand, at least I think it was someone else, or was it just the voices in my head?Yep, no, ummm, i think you will fit in just fine, fck you and welcome my friend :O)
Joeys favourite song - " I am you and you are me and we are all from Witney"... oh and bags I be Jayden - Jayden? if thats ok with Jayden can you ask him?
London Red
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7:55pm Tue 11 Sep 12
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No surprise there!!!!
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Oh well maybe 14th time lucky
Malkym
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9:31pm Tue 11 Sep 12
jayden wrote:Jeys fixation with multiple posting ids - he thinks most of us are one and the same - me you oxon etc. Not sure what you mean about kids?
jayden wrote:What was that all about?Malkym wrote:what the hells up with you now ? Tues free food for oaps and old scrots and stay away from those kids"Steve. Brentford wrote:Are you Ok Steve (Brentford) Witney? Joeys favourite song - " I am you and you are me and we are all from Witney"... oh and bags I be Jayden - Jayden? if thats ok with Jayden can you ask him?avo wrote: I think I might slit my wrists, such is the failure of our season so far. I can only see relegation, times two and conference football in 2014/15. . I think we have done really well so far and Saturday was just a blip in an otherwise immense home record under the stewardship of the good ship Paolo. . I have multiple personality disorder AND I support Swindon Town. Someone told me the other day that those two go hand in hand, at least I think it was someone else, or was it just the voices in my head?Yep, no, ummm, i think you will fit in just fine, fck you and welcome my friend :O)
jayden
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9:36pm Tue 11 Sep 12
Malkym wrote:The other day friday i think you upset someone about a free ticket for last sat game
jayden wrote:Jeys fixation with multiple posting ids - he thinks most of us are one and the same - me you oxon etc. Not sure what you mean about kids?
jayden wrote:What was that all about?Malkym wrote:what the hells up with you now ? Tues free food for oaps and old scrots and stay away from those kids"Steve. Brentford wrote:Are you Ok Steve (Brentford) Witney? Joeys favourite song - " I am you and you are me and we are all from Witney"... oh and bags I be Jayden - Jayden? if thats ok with Jayden can you ask him?avo wrote: I think I might slit my wrists, such is the failure of our season so far. I can only see relegation, times two and conference football in 2014/15. . I think we have done really well so far and Saturday was just a blip in an otherwise immense home record under the stewardship of the good ship Paolo. . I have multiple personality disorder AND I support Swindon Town. Someone told me the other day that those two go hand in hand, at least I think it was someone else, or was it just the voices in my head?Yep, no, ummm, i think you will fit in just fine, fck you and welcome my friend :O)
dreamofacleansheet2
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9:52pm Tue 11 Sep 12
Just like drink gate, Caddis gate, Super Sir Wes (half) gate and Fkint (quarter) gate.......
Back to back to back promotions coming....
Steve. Brentford
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11:51pm Tue 11 Sep 12
dreamofacleansheet2 wrote:Sarcasm will get you no where young man.
Oh hang on Clarke no future at Charlton. That was Paolo's fault, he was totally wrong the way he dealt with him here....
Just like drink gate, Caddis gate, Super Sir Wes (half) gate and Fkint (quarter) gate.......
Back to back to back promotions coming....
Joey B, i had to go to a little place in Oxfordshire (i think) called Langley just outside Witney,i had to drive through a little place called Kingston Bagpuize which tickle me for no apparent reason other than the name (which i had never heard of) anyway guess what i witnessed, you wont believe this, Wiz was on his own,playing the bagpipes next to a posh motor home and shouting i'm Malkym whilst eating chish and fips, with a sign around his Gregory peck saying i'm Jayden i eat what i want..Now make of that what you will JB but things seem dodgy in Witney if you ask me.
jayden
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7:03am Wed 12 Sep 12
Steve. Brentford wrote:Good one steve ,and when i have eaten i **** where i want to
dreamofacleansheet2 wrote:Sarcasm will get you no where young man.
Oh hang on Clarke no future at Charlton. That was Paolo's fault, he was totally wrong the way he dealt with him here....
Just like drink gate, Caddis gate, Super Sir Wes (half) gate and Fkint (quarter) gate.......
Back to back to back promotions coming....
Joey B, i had to go to a little place in Oxfordshire (i think) called Langley just outside Witney,i had to drive through a little place called Kingston Bagpuize which tickle me for no apparent reason other than the name (which i had never heard of) anyway guess what i witnessed, you wont believe this, Wiz was on his own,playing the bagpipes next to a posh motor home and shouting i'm Malkym whilst eating chish and fips, with a sign around his Gregory peck saying i'm Jayden i eat what i want..Now make of that what you will JB but things seem dodgy in Witney if you ask me.
Malkym
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7:26am Wed 12 Sep 12
jayden wrote:Ah yes someone did have a dig - pathetic really because we all like a freebie don't we and no doubt they like many others have taken advantage of corporate hospitality offered to us in the course of our work or friend of a friend -day at the races, F1,or golf etc.
Malkym wrote:The other day friday i think you upset someone about a free ticket for last sat gamejayden wrote:Jeys fixation with multiple posting ids - he thinks most of us are one and the same - me you oxon etc. Not sure what you mean about kids?jayden wrote:What was that all about?Malkym wrote:what the hells up with you now ? Tues free food for oaps and old scrots and stay away from those kids"Steve. Brentford wrote:Are you Ok Steve (Brentford) Witney? Joeys favourite song - " I am you and you are me and we are all from Witney"... oh and bags I be Jayden - Jayden? if thats ok with Jayden can you ask him?avo wrote: I think I might slit my wrists, such is the failure of our season so far. I can only see relegation, times two and conference football in 2014/15. . I think we have done really well so far and Saturday was just a blip in an otherwise immense home record under the stewardship of the good ship Paolo. . I have multiple personality disorder AND I support Swindon Town. Someone told me the other day that those two go hand in hand, at least I think it was someone else, or was it just the voices in my head?Yep, no, ummm, i think you will fit in just fine, fck you and welcome my friend :O)
Anyway having taken advantage of STFC's latest ticket deal I'm looking forward to welcoming Charlie A & Burnley and then Colchester.
So to coin a phrase or two -ESSSTTTEEFFFCCCCEE!
! (lol ) "watching a birth & "onwards &upwards" COYR! oh and "I hate you Butler"
old town robin
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7:48am Wed 12 Sep 12
jayden
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8:03am Wed 12 Sep 12
Malkym wrote:ARRRRR i see now thats cleared that up.
jayden wrote:Ah yes someone did have a dig - pathetic really because we all like a freebie don't we and no doubt they like many others have taken advantage of corporate hospitality offered to us in the course of our work or friend of a friend -day at the races, F1,or golf etc.
Malkym wrote:The other day friday i think you upset someone about a free ticket for last sat gamejayden wrote:Jeys fixation with multiple posting ids - he thinks most of us are one and the same - me you oxon etc. Not sure what you mean about kids?jayden wrote:What was that all about?Malkym wrote:what the hells up with you now ? Tues free food for oaps and old scrots and stay away from those kids"Steve. Brentford wrote:Are you Ok Steve (Brentford) Witney? Joeys favourite song - " I am you and you are me and we are all from Witney"... oh and bags I be Jayden - Jayden? if thats ok with Jayden can you ask him?avo wrote: I think I might slit my wrists, such is the failure of our season so far. I can only see relegation, times two and conference football in 2014/15. . I think we have done really well so far and Saturday was just a blip in an otherwise immense home record under the stewardship of the good ship Paolo. . I have multiple personality disorder AND I support Swindon Town. Someone told me the other day that those two go hand in hand, at least I think it was someone else, or was it just the voices in my head?Yep, no, ummm, i think you will fit in just fine, fck you and welcome my friend :O)
Anyway having taken advantage of STFC's latest ticket deal I'm looking forward to welcoming Charlie A & Burnley and then Colchester.
So to coin a phrase or two -ESSSTTTEEFFFCCCCEE!
! (lol ) "watching a birth & "onwards &upwards" COYR! oh and "I hate you Butler"
joey butler
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9:26pm Wed 12 Sep 12
Steve. Brentford wrote:Just Magic Steve, I have only just read this, but one of your funniest quotes ever!
dreamofacleansheet2 wrote:Sarcasm will get you no where young man.
Oh hang on Clarke no future at Charlton. That was Paolo's fault, he was totally wrong the way he dealt with him here....
Just like drink gate, Caddis gate, Super Sir Wes (half) gate and Fkint (quarter) gate.......
Back to back to back promotions coming....
Joey B, i had to go to a little place in Oxfordshire (i think) called Langley just outside Witney,i had to drive through a little place called Kingston Bagpuize which tickle me for no apparent reason other than the name (which i had never heard of) anyway guess what i witnessed, you wont believe this, Wiz was on his own,playing the bagpipes next to a posh motor home and shouting i'm Malkym whilst eating chish and fips, with a sign around his Gregory peck saying i'm Jayden i eat what i want..Now make of that what you will JB but things seem dodgy in Witney if you ask me.
I am however more than a little worried that you may have run over GlasRed in the layby on the left hand side. That would be harsh, as he was only selling strawberries in aid of the fund for the family of James Altea.
Steve. Brentford
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10:00pm Wed 12 Sep 12
joey butler wrote:Haha, i did feel a bump but put it down to being a pothole, whoops.
Steve. Brentford wrote:Just Magic Steve, I have only just read this, but one of your funniest quotes ever!
dreamofacleansheet2 wrote:Sarcasm will get you no where young man.
Oh hang on Clarke no future at Charlton. That was Paolo's fault, he was totally wrong the way he dealt with him here....
Just like drink gate, Caddis gate, Super Sir Wes (half) gate and Fkint (quarter) gate.......
Back to back to back promotions coming....
Joey B, i had to go to a little place in Oxfordshire (i think) called Langley just outside Witney,i had to drive through a little place called Kingston Bagpuize which tickle me for no apparent reason other than the name (which i had never heard of) anyway guess what i witnessed, you wont believe this, Wiz was on his own,playing the bagpipes next to a posh motor home and shouting i'm Malkym whilst eating chish and fips, with a sign around his Gregory peck saying i'm Jayden i eat what i want..Now make of that what you will JB but things seem dodgy in Witney if you ask me.
I am however more than a little worried that you may have run over GlasRed in the layby on the left hand side. That would be harsh, as he was only selling strawberries in aid of the fund for the family of James Altea.
leader1111
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12:30am Thu 13 Sep 12

pdc does wot he wants says...
6:24am Mon 10 Sep 12