Town boss happy with his transfer dealing as top targets arrive at the County Ground

Mark Cooper, flanked by his signings Jonathan Obika (left) and Jack Stephens, is a happy man

Mark Cooper, flanked by his signings Jonathan Obika (left) and Jack Stephens, is a happy man

First published in Sport The Wiltshire Gazette and Herald: Photograph of the Author by , Sports reporter

MARK Cooper got exactly who he wanted in this summer’s window as he secured Jack Stephens and Jonathan Obika on transfer deadline day.

The Town boss has insisted over the opening weeks of the season he would only move for the right players and was working towards securing his targets. Though he had to wait a little longer than perhaps he would have liked, Cooper was feeling buoyant having secured his men.

Obika, a player the Robins’ chief had been looking at for a long time, arrived on Tuesday for a fee thought to be around £200,000 from Tottenham.

Later that night, the striker was figuratively followed through the doors at the County Ground by Jack Stephens, the defender who impressed in a short loan spell at Swindon last season on another loan deal, to complete Town’s transfer business.

A highly satisfied Cooper, sitting with his new charges either side of him at a press conference yesterday, was full of praise for Obika and Stephens.

“We’ve had to be really patient and we’ve had our targets all along. The two boys either side of me from the start were the ones I was constantly being asked about, without naming them, and the ones I wanted all along,” said Cooper. “It was getting late but it was really productive. It was a fantastic day for us, not losing anybody and getting our two main targets.

“We had to be patient, (for) probably a little bit longer than we wanted to but like I said all along, we weren’t just going to go for people for the sake of it.

“(I’m) really pleased, it’s the start of hopefully a long project for the football club. We’ve got a really good young squad in place, that I think can achieve whatever it wants to achieve.

“Jon’s come in as centre forward, I’ve watched him over a couple of years and very closely last year and the year before. Every time I saw him he impressed me.

“He’s one that we targeted last year and couldn’t quite get him. I think what’s helped getting Jon is there’s a number of boys he’s played with and have told him good things.

“Maybe it will give him a better opportunity to come here, where he knows a few of the boys and we’ll get him lots of chances. I know that, I know if he gets them he’ll score goals.

“Jack is known from the spell he had last year, where he was outstanding. He turned our season around last year, so we know exactly what we’re getting with Jack. From my point of view both of them are not a gamble at all.”

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6:11am Wed 3 Sep 14

tractorski-red says...

Good business Mr Cooper, for once we have been able to keep the squad together and add to it, I think Jon Obika will do well as now he is able to be settled with a contract rather than being shipped off to other places every couple of months. Jack Stevens well no more said, we know.
Good business Mr Cooper, for once we have been able to keep the squad together and add to it, I think Jon Obika will do well as now he is able to be settled with a contract rather than being shipped off to other places every couple of months. Jack Stevens well no more said, we know. tractorski-red
  • Score: 33

7:09am Wed 3 Sep 14

TJG2907 says...

Good luck to them both, obika came in last time to a poor team playing poor football in a very difficult situation, with the manager on the brink of losing his job, now he's in good company with a good team playing well and more of a positive environment I think he'll do the business. Stephens needs no explaining. Top top signing
signing. All be it until January for now.
Good luck to them both, obika came in last time to a poor team playing poor football in a very difficult situation, with the manager on the brink of losing his job, now he's in good company with a good team playing well and more of a positive environment I think he'll do the business. Stephens needs no explaining. Top top signing signing. All be it until January for now. TJG2907
  • Score: 28

7:44am Wed 3 Sep 14

avo says...

Just my opinion, but I thought that was one of the most interesting, exciting, and well played deadline days at this football club for some considerable time.
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Patience it seems has paid off, and with a bit of the same from the fan base, who knows where it could all lead? It may even see some of the stay away fans returning in time.
Just my opinion, but I thought that was one of the most interesting, exciting, and well played deadline days at this football club for some considerable time. . Patience it seems has paid off, and with a bit of the same from the fan base, who knows where it could all lead? It may even see some of the stay away fans returning in time. avo
  • Score: 34

8:03am Wed 3 Sep 14

Bassett Hound says...

That's what I call a positive interview !
That's what I call a positive interview ! Bassett Hound
  • Score: 17

8:11am Wed 3 Sep 14

Since 1950 says...

With the very limited resources available to us it has been a very good transfer window. Good luck to all, now lets get stuck into the season with a settled squad.

COYR!
With the very limited resources available to us it has been a very good transfer window. Good luck to all, now lets get stuck into the season with a settled squad. COYR! Since 1950
  • Score: 19

8:16am Wed 3 Sep 14

Oi Den! says...

"We've got a really good squad in place, that I think can achieve whatever it wants to achieve."

Bit of a hostage to fortune there, Mark. Anything less than promotion this season would be because the players don't want it enough then? Any such achievement would have to come this season, as many of the squad are not scheduled to be here afterwards.

I'm all for our manager believing we can have a good crack at promotion but to suggest it's only a matter of the players having the necessary desire is a bit rash.
"We've got a really good squad in place, that I think can achieve whatever it wants to achieve." Bit of a hostage to fortune there, Mark. Anything less than promotion this season would be because the players don't want it enough then? Any such achievement would have to come this season, as many of the squad are not scheduled to be here afterwards. I'm all for our manager believing we can have a good crack at promotion but to suggest it's only a matter of the players having the necessary desire is a bit rash. Oi Den!
  • Score: -45

8:39am Wed 3 Sep 14

umpcah says...

Oi Den! wrote:
"We've got a really good squad in place, that I think can achieve whatever it wants to achieve."

Bit of a hostage to fortune there, Mark. Anything less than promotion this season would be because the players don't want it enough then? Any such achievement would have to come this season, as many of the squad are not scheduled to be here afterwards.

I'm all for our manager believing we can have a good crack at promotion but to suggest it's only a matter of the players having the necessary desire is a bit rash.
Necessary desire is a vital ingredient and with such , it seems , a happy dressing room together with good coaching a promotion push is now well on the cards i.m.o. Let`s hope for a turnout of 10000 for the next home match which follows two weeks of footie starvation !
[quote][p][bold]Oi Den![/bold] wrote: "We've got a really good squad in place, that I think can achieve whatever it wants to achieve." Bit of a hostage to fortune there, Mark. Anything less than promotion this season would be because the players don't want it enough then? Any such achievement would have to come this season, as many of the squad are not scheduled to be here afterwards. I'm all for our manager believing we can have a good crack at promotion but to suggest it's only a matter of the players having the necessary desire is a bit rash.[/p][/quote]Necessary desire is a vital ingredient and with such , it seems , a happy dressing room together with good coaching a promotion push is now well on the cards i.m.o. Let`s hope for a turnout of 10000 for the next home match which follows two weeks of footie starvation ! umpcah
  • Score: 3

8:45am Wed 3 Sep 14

newburymike says...

Troy Archibald who?? It seems nobody regrets the decision to let him go now. From Darren Ward & Grant Hall (no disrespect meant) to Stevens, Turnbull, & Branco, what a difference a year makes. If Obika starts well it's playoffs here we come (or better).
Troy Archibald who?? It seems nobody regrets the decision to let him go now. From Darren Ward & Grant Hall (no disrespect meant) to Stevens, Turnbull, & Branco, what a difference a year makes. If Obika starts well it's playoffs here we come (or better). newburymike
  • Score: 8

8:45am Wed 3 Sep 14

Cleuso says...

Oi Den! wrote:
"We've got a really good squad in place, that I think can achieve whatever it wants to achieve."

Bit of a hostage to fortune there, Mark. Anything less than promotion this season would be because the players don't want it enough then? Any such achievement would have to come this season, as many of the squad are not scheduled to be here afterwards.

I'm all for our manager believing we can have a good crack at promotion but to suggest it's only a matter of the players having the necessary desire is a bit rash.
Really scraping the barrel there Den, picking out a word or two out of something really positive and using them to get the doomongers of negativity really excited.

I can well visualise the position in your household, when you get the news that you have won the lottery jackpot but then complain because you have to travel 100 miles to pick up the cheque... Lol !
[quote][p][bold]Oi Den![/bold] wrote: "We've got a really good squad in place, that I think can achieve whatever it wants to achieve." Bit of a hostage to fortune there, Mark. Anything less than promotion this season would be because the players don't want it enough then? Any such achievement would have to come this season, as many of the squad are not scheduled to be here afterwards. I'm all for our manager believing we can have a good crack at promotion but to suggest it's only a matter of the players having the necessary desire is a bit rash.[/p][/quote]Really scraping the barrel there Den, picking out a word or two out of something really positive and using them to get the doomongers of negativity really excited. I can well visualise the position in your household, when you get the news that you have won the lottery jackpot but then complain because you have to travel 100 miles to pick up the cheque... Lol ! Cleuso
  • Score: 5

8:48am Wed 3 Sep 14

Oi Den! says...

umpcah wrote:
Oi Den! wrote:
"We've got a really good squad in place, that I think can achieve whatever it wants to achieve."

Bit of a hostage to fortune there, Mark. Anything less than promotion this season would be because the players don't want it enough then? Any such achievement would have to come this season, as many of the squad are not scheduled to be here afterwards.

I'm all for our manager believing we can have a good crack at promotion but to suggest it's only a matter of the players having the necessary desire is a bit rash.
Necessary desire is a vital ingredient and with such , it seems , a happy dressing room together with good coaching a promotion push is now well on the cards i.m.o. Let`s hope for a turnout of 10000 for the next home match which follows two weeks of footie starvation !
Of course the desire is essential. I didn't suggest otherwise. But the manager says it's all we need to achieve success. Seems a bit presumptuous to me but Judging by the raft of minuses I'm already getting for that post, I assume there'll be a gold rush to the bookies to take the 33/1 on offer for the title.
[quote][p][bold]umpcah[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Oi Den![/bold] wrote: "We've got a really good squad in place, that I think can achieve whatever it wants to achieve." Bit of a hostage to fortune there, Mark. Anything less than promotion this season would be because the players don't want it enough then? Any such achievement would have to come this season, as many of the squad are not scheduled to be here afterwards. I'm all for our manager believing we can have a good crack at promotion but to suggest it's only a matter of the players having the necessary desire is a bit rash.[/p][/quote]Necessary desire is a vital ingredient and with such , it seems , a happy dressing room together with good coaching a promotion push is now well on the cards i.m.o. Let`s hope for a turnout of 10000 for the next home match which follows two weeks of footie starvation ![/p][/quote]Of course the desire is essential. I didn't suggest otherwise. But the manager says it's all we need to achieve success. Seems a bit presumptuous to me but Judging by the raft of minuses I'm already getting for that post, I assume there'll be a gold rush to the bookies to take the 33/1 on offer for the title. Oi Den!
  • Score: 4

8:56am Wed 3 Sep 14

Oi Den! says...

Cleuso wrote:
Oi Den! wrote:
"We've got a really good squad in place, that I think can achieve whatever it wants to achieve."

Bit of a hostage to fortune there, Mark. Anything less than promotion this season would be because the players don't want it enough then? Any such achievement would have to come this season, as many of the squad are not scheduled to be here afterwards.

I'm all for our manager believing we can have a good crack at promotion but to suggest it's only a matter of the players having the necessary desire is a bit rash.
Really scraping the barrel there Den, picking out a word or two out of something really positive and using them to get the doomongers of negativity really excited.

I can well visualise the position in your household, when you get the news that you have won the lottery jackpot but then complain because you have to travel 100 miles to pick up the cheque... Lol !
Please yourself Cleuso. I am delighted with our manager's work so far - and I've been one of those (not too many of us) who's supported him fully from day one. I'm also very pleased that he believes we can compete with the best in this division. It's just that I'm not sure it's wise to suggest that success is a formality as long as the players want it.

Just one more thing to say to you: let's disagree all we like but please refrain from the nasty personal comments.
[quote][p][bold]Cleuso[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Oi Den![/bold] wrote: "We've got a really good squad in place, that I think can achieve whatever it wants to achieve." Bit of a hostage to fortune there, Mark. Anything less than promotion this season would be because the players don't want it enough then? Any such achievement would have to come this season, as many of the squad are not scheduled to be here afterwards. I'm all for our manager believing we can have a good crack at promotion but to suggest it's only a matter of the players having the necessary desire is a bit rash.[/p][/quote]Really scraping the barrel there Den, picking out a word or two out of something really positive and using them to get the doomongers of negativity really excited. I can well visualise the position in your household, when you get the news that you have won the lottery jackpot but then complain because you have to travel 100 miles to pick up the cheque... Lol ![/p][/quote]Please yourself Cleuso. I am delighted with our manager's work so far - and I've been one of those (not too many of us) who's supported him fully from day one. I'm also very pleased that he believes we can compete with the best in this division. It's just that I'm not sure it's wise to suggest that success is a formality as long as the players want it. Just one more thing to say to you: let's disagree all we like but please refrain from the nasty personal comments. Oi Den!
  • Score: 6

8:59am Wed 3 Sep 14

harley red says...

Cleuso wrote:
Oi Den! wrote:
"We've got a really good squad in place, that I think can achieve whatever it wants to achieve."

Bit of a hostage to fortune there, Mark. Anything less than promotion this season would be because the players don't want it enough then? Any such achievement would have to come this season, as many of the squad are not scheduled to be here afterwards.

I'm all for our manager believing we can have a good crack at promotion but to suggest it's only a matter of the players having the necessary desire is a bit rash.
Really scraping the barrel there Den, picking out a word or two out of something really positive and using them to get the doomongers of negativity really excited.

I can well visualise the position in your household, when you get the news that you have won the lottery jackpot but then complain because you have to travel 100 miles to pick up the cheque... Lol !
ALL PEOPLE HAVE AN OPINION if it's not what you happy clappers want to hear then you slag it off . I think obika is a gamble at 200 grand as he was very poor when he was last with us . But the other signing is perfect and it does look a formidable back line .
[quote][p][bold]Cleuso[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Oi Den![/bold] wrote: "We've got a really good squad in place, that I think can achieve whatever it wants to achieve." Bit of a hostage to fortune there, Mark. Anything less than promotion this season would be because the players don't want it enough then? Any such achievement would have to come this season, as many of the squad are not scheduled to be here afterwards. I'm all for our manager believing we can have a good crack at promotion but to suggest it's only a matter of the players having the necessary desire is a bit rash.[/p][/quote]Really scraping the barrel there Den, picking out a word or two out of something really positive and using them to get the doomongers of negativity really excited. I can well visualise the position in your household, when you get the news that you have won the lottery jackpot but then complain because you have to travel 100 miles to pick up the cheque... Lol ![/p][/quote]ALL PEOPLE HAVE AN OPINION if it's not what you happy clappers want to hear then you slag it off . I think obika is a gamble at 200 grand as he was very poor when he was last with us . But the other signing is perfect and it does look a formidable back line . harley red
  • Score: 8

9:01am Wed 3 Sep 14

Psychedelic Syd says...

An excellent bit of business in every respect. Football fans always seem to want instant success and premiership clubs try to do it by insane spending, often clutching at straws. Lee Power and Mark Cooper seem to have a much longer term game plan and stick to it and we are seeing the benefits. It's brilliant to have kept our best players and still have Louis here until the end of the season. The squad is still a bit small but there is a lot of quality. The players all seem happy to be here and well motivated. Could be a very exciting season in prospect although I'm sure there will also be a few blips along the way. Although the team is young most now have a decent amount of experience at this level. COYMR!!!
An excellent bit of business in every respect. Football fans always seem to want instant success and premiership clubs try to do it by insane spending, often clutching at straws. Lee Power and Mark Cooper seem to have a much longer term game plan and stick to it and we are seeing the benefits. It's brilliant to have kept our best players and still have Louis here until the end of the season. The squad is still a bit small but there is a lot of quality. The players all seem happy to be here and well motivated. Could be a very exciting season in prospect although I'm sure there will also be a few blips along the way. Although the team is young most now have a decent amount of experience at this level. COYMR!!! Psychedelic Syd
  • Score: 8

9:14am Wed 3 Sep 14

the don69 says...

Cleuso wrote:
Oi Den! wrote:
"We've got a really good squad in place, that I think can achieve whatever it wants to achieve."

Bit of a hostage to fortune there, Mark. Anything less than promotion this season would be because the players don't want it enough then? Any such achievement would have to come this season, as many of the squad are not scheduled to be here afterwards.

I'm all for our manager believing we can have a good crack at promotion but to suggest it's only a matter of the players having the necessary desire is a bit rash.
Really scraping the barrel there Den, picking out a word or two out of something really positive and using them to get the doomongers of negativity really excited.

I can well visualise the position in your household, when you get the news that you have won the lottery jackpot but then complain because you have to travel 100 miles to pick up the cheque... Lol !
Cleuso must you always have a Hissi fit when you don't agree with other posters opinions and comments? May I suggest anger management rehab, hopefully you might become a little more tolerant to others opinions and stop resulting to personnel childish attacks. (and by the way you don't need to travel to pick up a lottery cheque they transfer it to your bank account if you wish)!!!!!!!!!!
[quote][p][bold]Cleuso[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Oi Den![/bold] wrote: "We've got a really good squad in place, that I think can achieve whatever it wants to achieve." Bit of a hostage to fortune there, Mark. Anything less than promotion this season would be because the players don't want it enough then? Any such achievement would have to come this season, as many of the squad are not scheduled to be here afterwards. I'm all for our manager believing we can have a good crack at promotion but to suggest it's only a matter of the players having the necessary desire is a bit rash.[/p][/quote]Really scraping the barrel there Den, picking out a word or two out of something really positive and using them to get the doomongers of negativity really excited. I can well visualise the position in your household, when you get the news that you have won the lottery jackpot but then complain because you have to travel 100 miles to pick up the cheque... Lol ![/p][/quote]Cleuso must you always have a Hissi fit when you don't agree with other posters opinions and comments? May I suggest anger management rehab, hopefully you might become a little more tolerant to others opinions and stop resulting to personnel childish attacks. (and by the way you don't need to travel to pick up a lottery cheque they transfer it to your bank account if you wish)!!!!!!!!!! the don69
  • Score: 33

9:24am Wed 3 Sep 14

mancrobin says...

Oi Den! wrote:
"We've got a really good squad in place, that I think can achieve whatever it wants to achieve."

Bit of a hostage to fortune there, Mark. Anything less than promotion this season would be because the players don't want it enough then? Any such achievement would have to come this season, as many of the squad are not scheduled to be here afterwards.

I'm all for our manager believing we can have a good crack at promotion but to suggest it's only a matter of the players having the necessary desire is a bit rash.
I must admit Den, that I saw that comment in a much more positive light and for Mark, it's a rare 'glass half full' comment where he seems to be geeing up a team that has got huge potential.

I think his comment does leave it open as to how far that potential is realised (so many players fall short of their initial promise) and when. He put no timescale on it at all.

I expect and predict top half/edge of play-offs, playing great football with a core squad of players continuing to develop together. That's what Power promised and Cooper has set out to deliver. And that's the main point for me. Every time Power and Cooper have been asked big questions, they've delivered. Not seen that in some while at this club, electric bill paid or not.
[quote][p][bold]Oi Den![/bold] wrote: "We've got a really good squad in place, that I think can achieve whatever it wants to achieve." Bit of a hostage to fortune there, Mark. Anything less than promotion this season would be because the players don't want it enough then? Any such achievement would have to come this season, as many of the squad are not scheduled to be here afterwards. I'm all for our manager believing we can have a good crack at promotion but to suggest it's only a matter of the players having the necessary desire is a bit rash.[/p][/quote]I must admit Den, that I saw that comment in a much more positive light and for Mark, it's a rare 'glass half full' comment where he seems to be geeing up a team that has got huge potential. I think his comment does leave it open as to how far that potential is realised (so many players fall short of their initial promise) and when. He put no timescale on it at all. I expect and predict top half/edge of play-offs, playing great football with a core squad of players continuing to develop together. That's what Power promised and Cooper has set out to deliver. And that's the main point for me. Every time Power and Cooper have been asked big questions, they've delivered. Not seen that in some while at this club, electric bill paid or not. mancrobin
  • Score: 7

9:28am Wed 3 Sep 14

Stilloyal says...

Childish and annoying when people throw their toys out of their prams when they disagree with a comment. Please debate like adults not bl00dy politicians.
Childish and annoying when people throw their toys out of their prams when they disagree with a comment. Please debate like adults not bl00dy politicians. Stilloyal
  • Score: 17

9:35am Wed 3 Sep 14

JohnNeal4me says...

Re the comment about Troy AH. It seems LP got it exactly right as there is no sign of Troy in any Carlisle match squad so far this season. I think we really do have to trust his judgement as he seems to get right most of the time. But I would like to know why Agombar is still on the books!
Re the comment about Troy AH. It seems LP got it exactly right as there is no sign of Troy in any Carlisle match squad so far this season. I think we really do have to trust his judgement as he seems to get right most of the time. But I would like to know why Agombar is still on the books! JohnNeal4me
  • Score: 7

9:42am Wed 3 Sep 14

Stilloyal says...

JohnNeal4me wrote:
Re the comment about Troy AH. It seems LP got it exactly right as there is no sign of Troy in any Carlisle match squad so far this season. I think we really do have to trust his judgement as he seems to get right most of the time. But I would like to know why Agombar is still on the books!
Troy is , guess what ? injured . Was a big gamble to sign an injured player.
[quote][p][bold]JohnNeal4me[/bold] wrote: Re the comment about Troy AH. It seems LP got it exactly right as there is no sign of Troy in any Carlisle match squad so far this season. I think we really do have to trust his judgement as he seems to get right most of the time. But I would like to know why Agombar is still on the books![/p][/quote]Troy is , guess what ? injured . Was a big gamble to sign an injured player. Stilloyal
  • Score: 5

9:52am Wed 3 Sep 14

Oi Den! says...

manc, the timescale is fixed. He talked about the squad and what it can achieve collectively. We already know that Louis Thompson will be gone at the end of the season. Barring some very strange quirks of fate, many of the others will not be with us next season either. In fact, Stephens - a probable lynchpin - could be gone within 5 months from now. Taking just Thompson out will leave a big hole, let alone Stephens.

The comment Cooper has made is exactly the sort of thing a manager should be saying to his players in the privacy of the dressing room. We seem to agree on that. I stick to my view that saying it in public is unwise. I think he might even agree, on reflection

As ever, even though we disagree, you make a reasonable case. Posts like Cleuso's do irritate me though. Why would I want to "excite the doommongers of negativity" when I have been fully behind the manager from the start? Perhaps he thinks I want to be proved wrong about Cooper! There are posters on here, Cleuso probably being the most notable, who appear to think supporting the club means bowing and scraping at the feet of the manager and chairman and never expressing a word against them. Some of us can think for ourselves.

Good luck to Power, Cooper and the players. We could be in for a good season. Before the signing of Stephens, I thought we were heading for about 12th. We should do a bit better than that now.
manc, the timescale is fixed. He talked about the squad and what it can achieve collectively. We already know that Louis Thompson will be gone at the end of the season. Barring some very strange quirks of fate, many of the others will not be with us next season either. In fact, Stephens - a probable lynchpin - could be gone within 5 months from now. Taking just Thompson out will leave a big hole, let alone Stephens. The comment Cooper has made is exactly the sort of thing a manager should be saying to his players in the privacy of the dressing room. We seem to agree on that. I stick to my view that saying it in public is unwise. I think he might even agree, on reflection As ever, even though we disagree, you make a reasonable case. Posts like Cleuso's do irritate me though. Why would I want to "excite the doommongers of negativity" when I have been fully behind the manager from the start? Perhaps he thinks I want to be proved wrong about Cooper! There are posters on here, Cleuso probably being the most notable, who appear to think supporting the club means bowing and scraping at the feet of the manager and chairman and never expressing a word against them. Some of us can think for ourselves. Good luck to Power, Cooper and the players. We could be in for a good season. Before the signing of Stephens, I thought we were heading for about 12th. We should do a bit better than that now. Oi Den!
  • Score: 6

10:06am Wed 3 Sep 14

Wilesy says...

Regarding TAH, I wouldn't be so quick to scoff at his contribution to the defensive improvement last season although admittedly it did start when Stephens arrived. Equally I wouldn't like to put pressure on Stephens to single handedly improve our defensive fragility.

Don't get me wrong, Stephens is probably the best defender in League 1 and our best signing of the summer but I think we will still have plenty of second balls to defend unlike last season when TAH won so many initial headers. Also whilst young Turnbull is undoubtedly improving game by game he is still young.

I think it was the partnership of TAH and Stephens that worked so well, TAH taking no prisoners and Stephens so good on the floor and reading the game and that gave confidence to the likes of McEveley and Nathan and as a 4 man unit they defended really well.

Different situation now with no monster centre back snuffing out the attack at source and just 3 at the back, and lets see where Stephens plays will it be the middle of the 3 or on the right with Nathan in the middle. I would play Stephens in the middle.

This isn't intended as a negative post in any way but last season we had a back 4 of Nathan - Stephens - TAH - Jay, which is now a back 3 of Nathan - Stephens - Turnbull.
Regarding TAH, I wouldn't be so quick to scoff at his contribution to the defensive improvement last season although admittedly it did start when Stephens arrived. Equally I wouldn't like to put pressure on Stephens to single handedly improve our defensive fragility. Don't get me wrong, Stephens is probably the best defender in League 1 and our best signing of the summer but I think we will still have plenty of second balls to defend unlike last season when TAH won so many initial headers. Also whilst young Turnbull is undoubtedly improving game by game he is still young. I think it was the partnership of TAH and Stephens that worked so well, TAH taking no prisoners and Stephens so good on the floor and reading the game and that gave confidence to the likes of McEveley and Nathan and as a 4 man unit they defended really well. Different situation now with no monster centre back snuffing out the attack at source and just 3 at the back, and lets see where Stephens plays will it be the middle of the 3 or on the right with Nathan in the middle. I would play Stephens in the middle. This isn't intended as a negative post in any way but last season we had a back 4 of Nathan - Stephens - TAH - Jay, which is now a back 3 of Nathan - Stephens - Turnbull. Wilesy
  • Score: 7

10:15am Wed 3 Sep 14

Wilesy says...

Oi Den! wrote:
manc, the timescale is fixed. He talked about the squad and what it can achieve collectively. We already know that Louis Thompson will be gone at the end of the season. Barring some very strange quirks of fate, many of the others will not be with us next season either. In fact, Stephens - a probable lynchpin - could be gone within 5 months from now. Taking just Thompson out will leave a big hole, let alone Stephens.

The comment Cooper has made is exactly the sort of thing a manager should be saying to his players in the privacy of the dressing room. We seem to agree on that. I stick to my view that saying it in public is unwise. I think he might even agree, on reflection

As ever, even though we disagree, you make a reasonable case. Posts like Cleuso's do irritate me though. Why would I want to "excite the doommongers of negativity" when I have been fully behind the manager from the start? Perhaps he thinks I want to be proved wrong about Cooper! There are posters on here, Cleuso probably being the most notable, who appear to think supporting the club means bowing and scraping at the feet of the manager and chairman and never expressing a word against them. Some of us can think for ourselves.

Good luck to Power, Cooper and the players. We could be in for a good season. Before the signing of Stephens, I thought we were heading for about 12th. We should do a bit better than that now.
Den, I know we have differing opinions on loans which is fine but out of interest what do you think of Louis returning on loan now he is a Norwich player? I'm all for it 100% but it's slightly strange to think of him now as a million pound player rather than a youth team product!.

Good point on Stephens maybe going in 5 months. I wondered if that timescale might be with a view to him going to a Championship club in January, like Bamford did last season after impressing at MK Dons then off to Derby.
[quote][p][bold]Oi Den![/bold] wrote: manc, the timescale is fixed. He talked about the squad and what it can achieve collectively. We already know that Louis Thompson will be gone at the end of the season. Barring some very strange quirks of fate, many of the others will not be with us next season either. In fact, Stephens - a probable lynchpin - could be gone within 5 months from now. Taking just Thompson out will leave a big hole, let alone Stephens. The comment Cooper has made is exactly the sort of thing a manager should be saying to his players in the privacy of the dressing room. We seem to agree on that. I stick to my view that saying it in public is unwise. I think he might even agree, on reflection As ever, even though we disagree, you make a reasonable case. Posts like Cleuso's do irritate me though. Why would I want to "excite the doommongers of negativity" when I have been fully behind the manager from the start? Perhaps he thinks I want to be proved wrong about Cooper! There are posters on here, Cleuso probably being the most notable, who appear to think supporting the club means bowing and scraping at the feet of the manager and chairman and never expressing a word against them. Some of us can think for ourselves. Good luck to Power, Cooper and the players. We could be in for a good season. Before the signing of Stephens, I thought we were heading for about 12th. We should do a bit better than that now.[/p][/quote]Den, I know we have differing opinions on loans which is fine but out of interest what do you think of Louis returning on loan now he is a Norwich player? I'm all for it 100% but it's slightly strange to think of him now as a million pound player rather than a youth team product!. Good point on Stephens maybe going in 5 months. I wondered if that timescale might be with a view to him going to a Championship club in January, like Bamford did last season after impressing at MK Dons then off to Derby. Wilesy
  • Score: 1

10:25am Wed 3 Sep 14

london paolo says...

Den - I always have a lot of respect for your posts. I seem them as balanced and offering context and a reality check before people get too carried away. The brake pad on the runaway train.

Most football managers, including Cooper/AVB, get a bit casual with their use of words. Emotional even. They are not paid to be wordsmiths (that burden falls upon the Adver), they are paid to coach footballers.

Not that I would want to lose the Premier League post-match press interviews when fuming managers race one another towards a heart attack.

Desire is obviously a key factor in any successful side. And players must have that within - it cannot all be imparted by the coaching staff. However, I'm sure every League 1 manager can/will say the same things about their team and desire, but only three will get promoted.

That said, although we will be losing our brightest young player to Norwich, the squad is actually stronger (until January anyway), so I really hope they go for it this season and supporters get behind the team.

I take it you haven't piled into the 33/1 on offer but instead are relying on the lottery ticket? If it does come in, and the winnings do cause any distress as Cleuso suggests, I'd be happy to lighten the heavy load and share your winnings.
Den - I always have a lot of respect for your posts. I seem them as balanced and offering context and a reality check before people get too carried away. The brake pad on the runaway train. Most football managers, including Cooper/AVB, get a bit casual with their use of words. Emotional even. They are not paid to be wordsmiths (that burden falls upon the Adver), they are paid to coach footballers. Not that I would want to lose the Premier League post-match press interviews when fuming managers race one another towards a heart attack. Desire is obviously a key factor in any successful side. And players must have that within - it cannot all be imparted by the coaching staff. However, I'm sure every League 1 manager can/will say the same things about their team and desire, but only three will get promoted. That said, although we will be losing our brightest young player to Norwich, the squad is actually stronger (until January anyway), so I really hope they go for it this season and supporters get behind the team. I take it you haven't piled into the 33/1 on offer but instead are relying on the lottery ticket? If it does come in, and the winnings do cause any distress as Cleuso suggests, I'd be happy to lighten the heavy load and share your winnings. london paolo
  • Score: 4

10:36am Wed 3 Sep 14

Oi Den! says...

Wilesy, yes I'm pleased we get to keep LT for the rest of the season. I really do think Norwich are getting the best end of the deal though. They know he is not the finished article and they also know he'll be a lot closer to it by the end of the season. In other words, yet again we make a significant contribution to the development of someone else's player. Only time will tell whether the deal is good for us. Can't say I'm delighted with it at the moment because I was hoping that he would be with us for more than this season and be part of the club's advancement in the medium term. I accept LR's point that we stand to make more money from a sell-on clause etc but the overriding feeling is one of disappointment that we are losing our best player - in my view potentially a top class one - so early in his career.
Wilesy, yes I'm pleased we get to keep LT for the rest of the season. I really do think Norwich are getting the best end of the deal though. They know he is not the finished article and they also know he'll be a lot closer to it by the end of the season. In other words, yet again we make a significant contribution to the development of someone else's player. Only time will tell whether the deal is good for us. Can't say I'm delighted with it at the moment because I was hoping that he would be with us for more than this season and be part of the club's advancement in the medium term. I accept LR's point that we stand to make more money from a sell-on clause etc but the overriding feeling is one of disappointment that we are losing our best player - in my view potentially a top class one - so early in his career. Oi Den!
  • Score: -1

10:38am Wed 3 Sep 14

the don69 says...

london paolo wrote:
Den - I always have a lot of respect for your posts. I seem them as balanced and offering context and a reality check before people get too carried away. The brake pad on the runaway train.

Most football managers, including Cooper/AVB, get a bit casual with their use of words. Emotional even. They are not paid to be wordsmiths (that burden falls upon the Adver), they are paid to coach footballers.

Not that I would want to lose the Premier League post-match press interviews when fuming managers race one another towards a heart attack.

Desire is obviously a key factor in any successful side. And players must have that within - it cannot all be imparted by the coaching staff. However, I'm sure every League 1 manager can/will say the same things about their team and desire, but only three will get promoted.

That said, although we will be losing our brightest young player to Norwich, the squad is actually stronger (until January anyway), so I really hope they go for it this season and supporters get behind the team.

I take it you haven't piled into the 33/1 on offer but instead are relying on the lottery ticket? If it does come in, and the winnings do cause any distress as Cleuso suggests, I'd be happy to lighten the heavy load and share your winnings.
LOL, I'm sure Power and Coops could help poor ol Den out too!!!!!!!!!
[quote][p][bold]london paolo[/bold] wrote: Den - I always have a lot of respect for your posts. I seem them as balanced and offering context and a reality check before people get too carried away. The brake pad on the runaway train. Most football managers, including Cooper/AVB, get a bit casual with their use of words. Emotional even. They are not paid to be wordsmiths (that burden falls upon the Adver), they are paid to coach footballers. Not that I would want to lose the Premier League post-match press interviews when fuming managers race one another towards a heart attack. Desire is obviously a key factor in any successful side. And players must have that within - it cannot all be imparted by the coaching staff. However, I'm sure every League 1 manager can/will say the same things about their team and desire, but only three will get promoted. That said, although we will be losing our brightest young player to Norwich, the squad is actually stronger (until January anyway), so I really hope they go for it this season and supporters get behind the team. I take it you haven't piled into the 33/1 on offer but instead are relying on the lottery ticket? If it does come in, and the winnings do cause any distress as Cleuso suggests, I'd be happy to lighten the heavy load and share your winnings.[/p][/quote]LOL, I'm sure Power and Coops could help poor ol Den out too!!!!!!!!! the don69
  • Score: 7

10:46am Wed 3 Sep 14

Oi Den! says...

Cheers lp - and point taken. I had thought about the possibility of Cooper getting carried away in the delight of the moment. He wasn't caught on the hop though, as he would be post-match. It was a pre-arranged press conference so I thought he could have been a little more measured.

Not on at 33 but it seems reasonable value for an each way bet.
Cheers lp - and point taken. I had thought about the possibility of Cooper getting carried away in the delight of the moment. He wasn't caught on the hop though, as he would be post-match. It was a pre-arranged press conference so I thought he could have been a little more measured. Not on at 33 but it seems reasonable value for an each way bet. Oi Den!
  • Score: 0

11:16am Wed 3 Sep 14

London Red says...

Oi Den! wrote:
Wilesy, yes I'm pleased we get to keep LT for the rest of the season. I really do think Norwich are getting the best end of the deal though. They know he is not the finished article and they also know he'll be a lot closer to it by the end of the season. In other words, yet again we make a significant contribution to the development of someone else's player. Only time will tell whether the deal is good for us. Can't say I'm delighted with it at the moment because I was hoping that he would be with us for more than this season and be part of the club's advancement in the medium term. I accept LR's point that we stand to make more money from a sell-on clause etc but the overriding feeling is one of disappointment that we are losing our best player - in my view potentially a top class one - so early in his career.
That's football Den!
.
Hartlepool lost James (19) to Posh who were replacing their loss of Assombalonga (21) to Forest
.
Brentford lost The L1 player of the year Forshaw (22) despite going up to the Championship
.
Even in the Premiership we are seeing it happen - Southampton losing Shaw (19), Lallana and Chambers (18) this summer!
.
We just got 7 figures for a 19 year old with one season under his belt - granted its no £5m Assombalonga - but it is still an excellent deal for a player who was back up at the for most of 2013 and has only really become a first teamer in 2014
.
Yes we would all love to have seen him stay - but I bet most fans will say the same when their players move on initially - I would rather see our players go on a star at the highest level as long as we are compensated - which I thinbk we have been with 7 figures now and potentially 7 figures more later on
[quote][p][bold]Oi Den![/bold] wrote: Wilesy, yes I'm pleased we get to keep LT for the rest of the season. I really do think Norwich are getting the best end of the deal though. They know he is not the finished article and they also know he'll be a lot closer to it by the end of the season. In other words, yet again we make a significant contribution to the development of someone else's player. Only time will tell whether the deal is good for us. Can't say I'm delighted with it at the moment because I was hoping that he would be with us for more than this season and be part of the club's advancement in the medium term. I accept LR's point that we stand to make more money from a sell-on clause etc but the overriding feeling is one of disappointment that we are losing our best player - in my view potentially a top class one - so early in his career.[/p][/quote]That's football Den! . Hartlepool lost James (19) to Posh who were replacing their loss of Assombalonga (21) to Forest . Brentford lost The L1 player of the year Forshaw (22) despite going up to the Championship . Even in the Premiership we are seeing it happen - Southampton losing Shaw (19), Lallana and Chambers (18) this summer! . We just got 7 figures for a 19 year old with one season under his belt - granted its no £5m Assombalonga - but it is still an excellent deal for a player who was back up at the for most of 2013 and has only really become a first teamer in 2014 . Yes we would all love to have seen him stay - but I bet most fans will say the same when their players move on initially - I would rather see our players go on a star at the highest level as long as we are compensated - which I thinbk we have been with 7 figures now and potentially 7 figures more later on London Red
  • Score: 6

11:40am Wed 3 Sep 14

The artist formerly known as Marmite Soldier says...

Just a point there LR.

At £600,000 rising to £1.3m, that's six figures now and six figures later on (seven figures in total).

I'll not try to be a doom monger here, but over the years we rarely seem to get that full add on figure. I think it's safer to keep the £600,000 in mind rather than the potential extras.

Does anyone now what has to happen for the add ons to kick in, such as a set number of appearances, International call up, Premiership membership etc?
Just a point there LR. At £600,000 rising to £1.3m, that's six figures now and six figures later on (seven figures in total). I'll not try to be a doom monger here, but over the years we rarely seem to get that full add on figure. I think it's safer to keep the £600,000 in mind rather than the potential extras. Does anyone now what has to happen for the add ons to kick in, such as a set number of appearances, International call up, Premiership membership etc? The artist formerly known as Marmite Soldier
  • Score: 10

11:47am Wed 3 Sep 14

Oi Den! says...

LR, I won't keep on about this (Believe it or not I do have better things to do!) but I just want to reply to your comment. You will know from my previous posts regarding loss of good players that I accept it's all part of football. I did say that time will tell whether this deal is good or not. By that, I mean we won't really know until we see how the club develops with this money in the coffers. When many of us were wondering about the building of a team, you were one one of those who insisted everything was fine and LT was part of the squad's core for the future. That last bit is not going to be the case now, so there is even more building to be done. We await developments.
LR, I won't keep on about this (Believe it or not I do have better things to do!) but I just want to reply to your comment. You will know from my previous posts regarding loss of good players that I accept it's all part of football. I did say that time will tell whether this deal is good or not. By that, I mean we won't really know until we see how the club develops with this money in the coffers. When many of us were wondering about the building of a team, you were one one of those who insisted everything was fine and LT was part of the squad's core for the future. That last bit is not going to be the case now, so there is even more building to be done. We await developments. Oi Den!
  • Score: -1

11:57am Wed 3 Sep 14

dreamofacleansheet2 says...

As I've said consistently I'd have built the team around the brothers Thompson. Having a Swindon core to me is crucial and makes up for all the loans. I also think long term Norwich have done an unbelievable deal but that's because I've always rated Louis T extremely highly (even when he was on the bench). Of course though like many players before him him may not improve. It's a risk for Norwich although I'd obviously take it if I were them.

I'm all over the 33/1 on us to win the league. Even more so the 9-1 you can get on us to be promoted or the 9/2 to be top 6. Troy is a big miss but as others have said he's been no where to be seen yet. Stephens for me is the best defender we have and then also provides competition for places and flexibility in times of injury or suspension by virtue of Nathans flexibility.

I am all for Coopers words Den. Frankly it's a flippin revelation to hear a manager of ours being calm collected and unbelievably positive. Don't think there is any danger of our lot getting carried away as they all clearly work so hard to improve and I think the manager effectively "calling" promotion is brilliant for all of them to hear.

I also think the way he talked about Obika is interesting. I'm with everyone else on thinking he must be a risk but he has sure has hell has given him the vote of confidence. All in all brilliant transfer window and this team can storm this league with a fair wind.

Get on the bets and get behind your team home and away. This is shaping up to be an epic season.

COYR.

Ps I'll get the sculpture to start chiseling Coop's and Power's figures out.... Come on!

Pps Apologies to all the doom sayers. Your right it's way easier being one of them because as the odds suggest it's unlikely we'll do it. But I BELIEVE we can......
As I've said consistently I'd have built the team around the brothers Thompson. Having a Swindon core to me is crucial and makes up for all the loans. I also think long term Norwich have done an unbelievable deal but that's because I've always rated Louis T extremely highly (even when he was on the bench). Of course though like many players before him him may not improve. It's a risk for Norwich although I'd obviously take it if I were them. I'm all over the 33/1 on us to win the league. Even more so the 9-1 you can get on us to be promoted or the 9/2 to be top 6. Troy is a big miss but as others have said he's been no where to be seen yet. Stephens for me is the best defender we have and then also provides competition for places and flexibility in times of injury or suspension by virtue of Nathans flexibility. I am all for Coopers words Den. Frankly it's a flippin revelation to hear a manager of ours being calm collected and unbelievably positive. Don't think there is any danger of our lot getting carried away as they all clearly work so hard to improve and I think the manager effectively "calling" promotion is brilliant for all of them to hear. I also think the way he talked about Obika is interesting. I'm with everyone else on thinking he must be a risk but he has sure has hell has given him the vote of confidence. All in all brilliant transfer window and this team can storm this league with a fair wind. Get on the bets and get behind your team home and away. This is shaping up to be an epic season. COYR. Ps I'll get the sculpture to start chiseling Coop's and Power's figures out.... Come on! Pps Apologies to all the doom sayers. Your right it's way easier being one of them because as the odds suggest it's unlikely we'll do it. But I BELIEVE we can...... dreamofacleansheet2
  • Score: 6

11:57am Wed 3 Sep 14

london paolo says...

I mentioned in a post a couple of days ago… Peterborough has made a staggering £20m profit in selling eight star players over the past four years. Most of them discovered in non-League football. And Posh are top of the League 1 table at the moment.

It's always a shame to see your best young talent leave, but if a club isn't moving up the divisions, then its best players certainly will. LR showed some good examples, including Southampton, who had their highest League position in years and lost half their team!

The key is to make sure that the pipeline keeps producing more players to replace them. By the pipeline I mean scouting hidden gems as well as youth development and coaching decent players into good ones.

The loan system is a firm feature in modern football, albeit a bit of a crazy one. (Chelsea have 26 - yes 26 - players out on loan at the moment, with a combined value of perhaps £100m. Unbelievable). But every other club takes advantage so we would be crazy not to.

However, in terms of medium-term development, getting another club's players in on loan while selling your best players just reinforces the glass ceiling between the haves and the have nots. Put another way, it's treading water rather than swimming strongly towards the shore.

Hopefully, one season, we'll get the overall formula right and step up a division, and then hope to consolidate. It's possible. Despite the top of the Premier League being dominated by the big money carbuncles on the English game that need not be named, there is usually a seat at the table for the little guy. Burnley (population: 75,000) take their turn this season, and Wigan for previous seasons. Watford (wet, middle class Home Counties town - two thirds of the Council are Lib Dems!) are 2nd in the Championship. Ipswich and Norwich are similar sized towns to Swindon, and WTF are Rotherham doing there?

One day.
I mentioned in a post a couple of days ago… Peterborough has made a staggering £20m profit in selling eight star players over the past four years. Most of them discovered in non-League football. And Posh are top of the League 1 table at the moment. It's always a shame to see your best young talent leave, but if a club isn't moving up the divisions, then its best players certainly will. LR showed some good examples, including Southampton, who had their highest League position in years and lost half their team! The key is to make sure that the pipeline keeps producing more players to replace them. By the pipeline I mean scouting hidden gems as well as youth development and coaching decent players into good ones. The loan system is a firm feature in modern football, albeit a bit of a crazy one. (Chelsea have 26 - yes 26 - players out on loan at the moment, with a combined value of perhaps £100m. Unbelievable). But every other club takes advantage so we would be crazy not to. However, in terms of medium-term development, getting another club's players in on loan while selling your best players just reinforces the glass ceiling between the haves and the have nots. Put another way, it's treading water rather than swimming strongly towards the shore. Hopefully, one season, we'll get the overall formula right and step up a division, and then hope to consolidate. It's possible. Despite the top of the Premier League being dominated by the big money carbuncles on the English game that need not be named, there is usually a seat at the table for the little guy. Burnley (population: 75,000) take their turn this season, and Wigan for previous seasons. Watford (wet, middle class Home Counties town - two thirds of the Council are Lib Dems!) are 2nd in the Championship. Ipswich and Norwich are similar sized towns to Swindon, and WTF are Rotherham doing there? One day. london paolo
  • Score: 2

12:02pm Wed 3 Sep 14

street2000 says...

I must admit I have warmed to Mr Cooper! He has done a lot with very little. Fair play to him. Can't be easy!! I applaud the man. He genuinely looks he enjoys it.
I must admit I have warmed to Mr Cooper! He has done a lot with very little. Fair play to him. Can't be easy!! I applaud the man. He genuinely looks he enjoys it. street2000
  • Score: 10

1:02pm Wed 3 Sep 14

Wilesy says...

Oi Den! wrote:
Wilesy, yes I'm pleased we get to keep LT for the rest of the season. I really do think Norwich are getting the best end of the deal though. They know he is not the finished article and they also know he'll be a lot closer to it by the end of the season. In other words, yet again we make a significant contribution to the development of someone else's player. Only time will tell whether the deal is good for us. Can't say I'm delighted with it at the moment because I was hoping that he would be with us for more than this season and be part of the club's advancement in the medium term. I accept LR's point that we stand to make more money from a sell-on clause etc but the overriding feeling is one of disappointment that we are losing our best player - in my view potentially a top class one - so early in his career.
I suppose the thing we don't know is if behind the scenes he was offered or turned down a new contract. Whilst disappointing to lose him as a home grown player, financially the deal is very good, esp if the alternative as suggested was STFC would only get £250k at the end of the season.

I was a bit sorry to see such a turnaround in players yet again this summer but I think we will see this more and more, so while we as fans want to see our best players stay for years in order to build long-term, in reality this isn't going to happen while we are in League 1 and every club in the Premiership and Championship can pay transfer fees and offer better wages thanks to TV revenues. We have to do as best we can and the reality is we are developing all our players for someone else at the moment, we just haven't sold them yet.

Until we get a new stadium or start redeveloping and get in the Championship can't see that changing.
[quote][p][bold]Oi Den![/bold] wrote: Wilesy, yes I'm pleased we get to keep LT for the rest of the season. I really do think Norwich are getting the best end of the deal though. They know he is not the finished article and they also know he'll be a lot closer to it by the end of the season. In other words, yet again we make a significant contribution to the development of someone else's player. Only time will tell whether the deal is good for us. Can't say I'm delighted with it at the moment because I was hoping that he would be with us for more than this season and be part of the club's advancement in the medium term. I accept LR's point that we stand to make more money from a sell-on clause etc but the overriding feeling is one of disappointment that we are losing our best player - in my view potentially a top class one - so early in his career.[/p][/quote]I suppose the thing we don't know is if behind the scenes he was offered or turned down a new contract. Whilst disappointing to lose him as a home grown player, financially the deal is very good, esp if the alternative as suggested was STFC would only get £250k at the end of the season. I was a bit sorry to see such a turnaround in players yet again this summer but I think we will see this more and more, so while we as fans want to see our best players stay for years in order to build long-term, in reality this isn't going to happen while we are in League 1 and every club in the Premiership and Championship can pay transfer fees and offer better wages thanks to TV revenues. We have to do as best we can and the reality is we are developing all our players for someone else at the moment, we just haven't sold them yet. Until we get a new stadium or start redeveloping and get in the Championship can't see that changing. Wilesy
  • Score: 2

1:05pm Wed 3 Sep 14

London Red says...

The artist formerly known as Marmite Soldier wrote:
Just a point there LR.

At £600,000 rising to £1.3m, that's six figures now and six figures later on (seven figures in total).

I'll not try to be a doom monger here, but over the years we rarely seem to get that full add on figure. I think it's safer to keep the £600,000 in mind rather than the potential extras.

Does anyone now what has to happen for the add ons to kick in, such as a set number of appearances, International call up, Premiership membership etc?
I was basing it on the £1.3m then potential sell on from Norwich generating £1m+ on top
[quote][p][bold]The artist formerly known as Marmite Soldier[/bold] wrote: Just a point there LR. At £600,000 rising to £1.3m, that's six figures now and six figures later on (seven figures in total). I'll not try to be a doom monger here, but over the years we rarely seem to get that full add on figure. I think it's safer to keep the £600,000 in mind rather than the potential extras. Does anyone now what has to happen for the add ons to kick in, such as a set number of appearances, International call up, Premiership membership etc?[/p][/quote]I was basing it on the £1.3m then potential sell on from Norwich generating £1m+ on top London Red
  • Score: 0

1:11pm Wed 3 Sep 14

London Red says...

Oi Den! wrote:
LR, I won't keep on about this (Believe it or not I do have better things to do!) but I just want to reply to your comment. You will know from my previous posts regarding loss of good players that I accept it's all part of football. I did say that time will tell whether this deal is good or not. By that, I mean we won't really know until we see how the club develops with this money in the coffers. When many of us were wondering about the building of a team, you were one one of those who insisted everything was fine and LT was part of the squad's core for the future. That last bit is not going to be the case now, so there is even more building to be done. We await developments.
I was talking about the core for 2014/15 and Louis is still part of that
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As of next year we still potentially have Wes (we have an option for next year), Nathan T, Byrne, Luongo (under contract), Kasim (under contract), Smith (under contract) and now Obika (under contract) and who knows Reeves could turn out to be another gem an mitigate the loss of Louis?
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Branco has continued to develop and now is a real option alongside Stephens, Turnbull and Nathan T rather than a back up - so could force himself as par tof the core
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Plus we could see the likes of Randell or Marshall do a Louis and thrust themselves into the first team squad?
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If so that means our core has grown and its only September 2014!
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We just need people to have a liitle faith and see the management team are building something and will take time to ensure they get the right pieces - if that means waiting a year to sign another CB so be it!
[quote][p][bold]Oi Den![/bold] wrote: LR, I won't keep on about this (Believe it or not I do have better things to do!) but I just want to reply to your comment. You will know from my previous posts regarding loss of good players that I accept it's all part of football. I did say that time will tell whether this deal is good or not. By that, I mean we won't really know until we see how the club develops with this money in the coffers. When many of us were wondering about the building of a team, you were one one of those who insisted everything was fine and LT was part of the squad's core for the future. That last bit is not going to be the case now, so there is even more building to be done. We await developments.[/p][/quote]I was talking about the core for 2014/15 and Louis is still part of that . As of next year we still potentially have Wes (we have an option for next year), Nathan T, Byrne, Luongo (under contract), Kasim (under contract), Smith (under contract) and now Obika (under contract) and who knows Reeves could turn out to be another gem an mitigate the loss of Louis? . Branco has continued to develop and now is a real option alongside Stephens, Turnbull and Nathan T rather than a back up - so could force himself as par tof the core . Plus we could see the likes of Randell or Marshall do a Louis and thrust themselves into the first team squad? . If so that means our core has grown and its only September 2014! . We just need people to have a liitle faith and see the management team are building something and will take time to ensure they get the right pieces - if that means waiting a year to sign another CB so be it! London Red
  • Score: 5

1:16pm Wed 3 Sep 14

umpcah says...

street2000 wrote:
I must admit I have warmed to Mr Cooper! He has done a lot with very little. Fair play to him. Can't be easy!! I applaud the man. He genuinely looks he enjoys it.
I think a lot of fans were cool when Coops was appointed but like you and I suspect many others I am warming to him ! The Town is in a respectable league position with a strong squad to take us upwards. How many managers signed so many of their targets during the days preceding the shutting of the transfer window ? Not many ! No wonder Coops is smiling and so am I !
[quote][p][bold]street2000[/bold] wrote: I must admit I have warmed to Mr Cooper! He has done a lot with very little. Fair play to him. Can't be easy!! I applaud the man. He genuinely looks he enjoys it.[/p][/quote]I think a lot of fans were cool when Coops was appointed but like you and I suspect many others I am warming to him ! The Town is in a respectable league position with a strong squad to take us upwards. How many managers signed so many of their targets during the days preceding the shutting of the transfer window ? Not many ! No wonder Coops is smiling and so am I ! umpcah
  • Score: 2

1:17pm Wed 3 Sep 14

MidlandRobin says...

Look how happy Cooper looks in the picture! He's like a kid that's just been told he's going to Disneyland tomorrow haha!

Very good business LP and MC. Humble pie for tea for me. Didn't expect this on deadline day at Swindon, usually goes the other way!

But I'm glad we kept Louis, signed Stevens, and hopefully Obika's a changed man, we'll wait n see :)
Look how happy Cooper looks in the picture! He's like a kid that's just been told he's going to Disneyland tomorrow haha! Very good business LP and MC. Humble pie for tea for me. Didn't expect this on deadline day at Swindon, usually goes the other way! But I'm glad we kept Louis, signed Stevens, and hopefully Obika's a changed man, we'll wait n see :) MidlandRobin
  • Score: 3

1:19pm Wed 3 Sep 14

London Red says...

london paolo wrote:
I mentioned in a post a couple of days ago… Peterborough has made a staggering £20m profit in selling eight star players over the past four years. Most of them discovered in non-League football. And Posh are top of the League 1 table at the moment.

It's always a shame to see your best young talent leave, but if a club isn't moving up the divisions, then its best players certainly will. LR showed some good examples, including Southampton, who had their highest League position in years and lost half their team!

The key is to make sure that the pipeline keeps producing more players to replace them. By the pipeline I mean scouting hidden gems as well as youth development and coaching decent players into good ones.

The loan system is a firm feature in modern football, albeit a bit of a crazy one. (Chelsea have 26 - yes 26 - players out on loan at the moment, with a combined value of perhaps £100m. Unbelievable). But every other club takes advantage so we would be crazy not to.

However, in terms of medium-term development, getting another club's players in on loan while selling your best players just reinforces the glass ceiling between the haves and the have nots. Put another way, it's treading water rather than swimming strongly towards the shore.

Hopefully, one season, we'll get the overall formula right and step up a division, and then hope to consolidate. It's possible. Despite the top of the Premier League being dominated by the big money carbuncles on the English game that need not be named, there is usually a seat at the table for the little guy. Burnley (population: 75,000) take their turn this season, and Wigan for previous seasons. Watford (wet, middle class Home Counties town - two thirds of the Council are Lib Dems!) are 2nd in the Championship. Ipswich and Norwich are similar sized towns to Swindon, and WTF are Rotherham doing there?

One day.
Lets not forget the area where we sold Louis is not populated by loanees - in fact it our strongest area with potentially 4 real decent players in there: Luongo, Kasim, Gladwin and Reeves
.
Rodgers may also turn out to be a half decent player too! Plus we have Marshall who is very highly rated coming through
.
Granted we need to get one or 2 new CBs on our books - but as I said earlier if this means waiting to get the right one(s) while we can loan the likes of Stephens is that really a bad thing or treading water?
.
If we go up the money we have to sign one or 2 and the quality of player we can attract there will go up as apposed to now!
[quote][p][bold]london paolo[/bold] wrote: I mentioned in a post a couple of days ago… Peterborough has made a staggering £20m profit in selling eight star players over the past four years. Most of them discovered in non-League football. And Posh are top of the League 1 table at the moment. It's always a shame to see your best young talent leave, but if a club isn't moving up the divisions, then its best players certainly will. LR showed some good examples, including Southampton, who had their highest League position in years and lost half their team! The key is to make sure that the pipeline keeps producing more players to replace them. By the pipeline I mean scouting hidden gems as well as youth development and coaching decent players into good ones. The loan system is a firm feature in modern football, albeit a bit of a crazy one. (Chelsea have 26 - yes 26 - players out on loan at the moment, with a combined value of perhaps £100m. Unbelievable). But every other club takes advantage so we would be crazy not to. However, in terms of medium-term development, getting another club's players in on loan while selling your best players just reinforces the glass ceiling between the haves and the have nots. Put another way, it's treading water rather than swimming strongly towards the shore. Hopefully, one season, we'll get the overall formula right and step up a division, and then hope to consolidate. It's possible. Despite the top of the Premier League being dominated by the big money carbuncles on the English game that need not be named, there is usually a seat at the table for the little guy. Burnley (population: 75,000) take their turn this season, and Wigan for previous seasons. Watford (wet, middle class Home Counties town - two thirds of the Council are Lib Dems!) are 2nd in the Championship. Ipswich and Norwich are similar sized towns to Swindon, and WTF are Rotherham doing there? One day.[/p][/quote]Lets not forget the area where we sold Louis is not populated by loanees - in fact it our strongest area with potentially 4 real decent players in there: Luongo, Kasim, Gladwin and Reeves . Rodgers may also turn out to be a half decent player too! Plus we have Marshall who is very highly rated coming through . Granted we need to get one or 2 new CBs on our books - but as I said earlier if this means waiting to get the right one(s) while we can loan the likes of Stephens is that really a bad thing or treading water? . If we go up the money we have to sign one or 2 and the quality of player we can attract there will go up as apposed to now! London Red
  • Score: 3

1:20pm Wed 3 Sep 14

London Red says...

MidlandRobin wrote:
Look how happy Cooper looks in the picture! He's like a kid that's just been told he's going to Disneyland tomorrow haha!

Very good business LP and MC. Humble pie for tea for me. Didn't expect this on deadline day at Swindon, usually goes the other way!

But I'm glad we kept Louis, signed Stevens, and hopefully Obika's a changed man, we'll wait n see :)
One of your last words is the key - Man
,
Obika is now a man and not a boy - so is likely to be very different
[quote][p][bold]MidlandRobin[/bold] wrote: Look how happy Cooper looks in the picture! He's like a kid that's just been told he's going to Disneyland tomorrow haha! Very good business LP and MC. Humble pie for tea for me. Didn't expect this on deadline day at Swindon, usually goes the other way! But I'm glad we kept Louis, signed Stevens, and hopefully Obika's a changed man, we'll wait n see :)[/p][/quote]One of your last words is the key - Man , Obika is now a man and not a boy - so is likely to be very different London Red
  • Score: -4

1:28pm Wed 3 Sep 14

Cleuso says...

Oi Den! wrote:
manc, the timescale is fixed. He talked about the squad and what it can achieve collectively. We already know that Louis Thompson will be gone at the end of the season. Barring some very strange quirks of fate, many of the others will not be with us next season either. In fact, Stephens - a probable lynchpin - could be gone within 5 months from now. Taking just Thompson out will leave a big hole, let alone Stephens.

The comment Cooper has made is exactly the sort of thing a manager should be saying to his players in the privacy of the dressing room. We seem to agree on that. I stick to my view that saying it in public is unwise. I think he might even agree, on reflection

As ever, even though we disagree, you make a reasonable case. Posts like Cleuso's do irritate me though. Why would I want to "excite the doommongers of negativity" when I have been fully behind the manager from the start? Perhaps he thinks I want to be proved wrong about Cooper! There are posters on here, Cleuso probably being the most notable, who appear to think supporting the club means bowing and scraping at the feet of the manager and chairman and never expressing a word against them. Some of us can think for ourselves.

Good luck to Power, Cooper and the players. We could be in for a good season. Before the signing of Stephens, I thought we were heading for about 12th. We should do a bit better than that now.
Sorry I irritated you Den. Aplogies. I agree there was much positivity in your post.

However, if the club is ever to succeed there is a need to change the outlook of the casual supporter who has for one reason or another been fed with negative stories of one sort or another for a number of years now which have probably part of the reason attendances are down and are often replicated here..

We are now in a new regime after the ownership issue, the team is playing with a style not seen in a long time, we have made some good signings, yet some continually grind out their angst for their own personal reason, what ever that is.

Until fans like you who want the club to succeed shout a bit louder than those that portray an all is still wrong, progress at the club will always be restricted.

If I have a hissing fit then its down to wanting the club to succeed with what we have now and in the future as it makes attending matches far more enjoyable. If it upsets some who don't want that, I make no apology in challenging them here.

Repeat : Didn't mean of course to upset you.
[quote][p][bold]Oi Den![/bold] wrote: manc, the timescale is fixed. He talked about the squad and what it can achieve collectively. We already know that Louis Thompson will be gone at the end of the season. Barring some very strange quirks of fate, many of the others will not be with us next season either. In fact, Stephens - a probable lynchpin - could be gone within 5 months from now. Taking just Thompson out will leave a big hole, let alone Stephens. The comment Cooper has made is exactly the sort of thing a manager should be saying to his players in the privacy of the dressing room. We seem to agree on that. I stick to my view that saying it in public is unwise. I think he might even agree, on reflection As ever, even though we disagree, you make a reasonable case. Posts like Cleuso's do irritate me though. Why would I want to "excite the doommongers of negativity" when I have been fully behind the manager from the start? Perhaps he thinks I want to be proved wrong about Cooper! There are posters on here, Cleuso probably being the most notable, who appear to think supporting the club means bowing and scraping at the feet of the manager and chairman and never expressing a word against them. Some of us can think for ourselves. Good luck to Power, Cooper and the players. We could be in for a good season. Before the signing of Stephens, I thought we were heading for about 12th. We should do a bit better than that now.[/p][/quote]Sorry I irritated you Den. Aplogies. I agree there was much positivity in your post. However, if the club is ever to succeed there is a need to change the outlook of the casual supporter who has for one reason or another been fed with negative stories of one sort or another for a number of years now which have probably part of the reason attendances are down and are often replicated here.. We are now in a new regime after the ownership issue, the team is playing with a style not seen in a long time, we have made some good signings, yet some continually grind out their angst for their own personal reason, what ever that is. Until fans like you who want the club to succeed shout a bit louder than those that portray an all is still wrong, progress at the club will always be restricted. If I have a hissing fit then its down to wanting the club to succeed with what we have now and in the future as it makes attending matches far more enjoyable. If it upsets some who don't want that, I make no apology in challenging them here. Repeat : Didn't mean of course to upset you. Cleuso
  • Score: 1

2:10pm Wed 3 Sep 14

Longtime Red says...

Stilloyal wrote:
JohnNeal4me wrote:
Re the comment about Troy AH. It seems LP got it exactly right as there is no sign of Troy in any Carlisle match squad so far this season. I think we really do have to trust his judgement as he seems to get right most of the time. But I would like to know why Agombar is still on the books!
Troy is , guess what ? injured . Was a big gamble to sign an injured player.
I believe the reason Harry Agombar is here is because he was offered a long contract by the trustworthy Jedda. Jedda had dealings with his dad Tommy Agombar (he was the guy who wore the flat cap and leather jacket, who sat next to Jed in the photo of Jed sat in the stands, which was always up on this site) who was also involved in the attempted takeover by that horrible consortium of Hereford United. My guess would be Harry knows he won't be offered professional terms elsewhere, so he is sitting at Swindon seeing out his contract.
[quote][p][bold]Stilloyal[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]JohnNeal4me[/bold] wrote: Re the comment about Troy AH. It seems LP got it exactly right as there is no sign of Troy in any Carlisle match squad so far this season. I think we really do have to trust his judgement as he seems to get right most of the time. But I would like to know why Agombar is still on the books![/p][/quote]Troy is , guess what ? injured . Was a big gamble to sign an injured player.[/p][/quote]I believe the reason Harry Agombar is here is because he was offered a long contract by the trustworthy Jedda. Jedda had dealings with his dad Tommy Agombar (he was the guy who wore the flat cap and leather jacket, who sat next to Jed in the photo of Jed sat in the stands, which was always up on this site) who was also involved in the attempted takeover by that horrible consortium of Hereford United. My guess would be Harry knows he won't be offered professional terms elsewhere, so he is sitting at Swindon seeing out his contract. Longtime Red
  • Score: 2

2:20pm Wed 3 Sep 14

you gots ta be kidding me says...

It annoys me that only one oppinion is allowed on here, that oppinion has to be that he is a good manager doing a good job, well frankly I disagree with that, I accept that its not the easiest job in the world, in terms of finances, but it is a lot easier than other jobs with the full backing of the chairman and a get out excuse of a young team.

For me we could be so much better than we are if we had an experienced manager that could look at a game or an outcome and change accordingly.

I personaly feel that our football is mostly played in front of the opposition and we often look pretty without purpose, our 13 game streak without a win last year it was obvious what we were missing, when he finally changed it with Storey playing in behind the opposition we looked a different team completely and looked like a top 5 team..... We could all see it but he couldn't, I also find the keep the ball at whatever cost football we play dull, pretty but not exciting, thats all just oppinion.

I wasn't going to renew my ST's this year as I felt I needed to take a year off and just go to the odd game, but I thought I would bear with it and renew, I can't say that I am wholeheartedly glad I did.

I also do not like Cooper the person, whilst I can only base my oppinion on his interviews and articles he gives I find the man arrogant beyond belief and have stopped listening to his interview after the game as it winds me up, we seem to watch completely different games for a start.

I have followed Town home and away since 1982 and last year I stopped going to away games because it was no longer enjoyable to watch (Wolves aside that day was awesome) the Shrewsbury game has to be one of the worst games ever.

So I accept that people like him and I accept they have a view, but my oppinion is exactly that an oppinion, it is mine and no less valid than yours, I always want whats best for my club and I feel we could be doing better with someone else.

A couple of questions, Why have the attendances dropped, my own view is apathy and there are more Cooper dislikers than people realise.
When did you last hear the town end singing his name in full, it is always half hearted because there are many of us who dont join in.

I am not saying he is doing an awful job, but Williams IMO deserves a lot of the credit.

The team last year were unfit and this was never addressed, we look much better this year.

Only oppinion
It annoys me that only one oppinion is allowed on here, that oppinion has to be that he is a good manager doing a good job, well frankly I disagree with that, I accept that its not the easiest job in the world, in terms of finances, but it is a lot easier than other jobs with the full backing of the chairman and a get out excuse of a young team. For me we could be so much better than we are if we had an experienced manager that could look at a game or an outcome and change accordingly. I personaly feel that our football is mostly played in front of the opposition and we often look pretty without purpose, our 13 game streak without a win last year it was obvious what we were missing, when he finally changed it with Storey playing in behind the opposition we looked a different team completely and looked like a top 5 team..... We could all see it but he couldn't, I also find the keep the ball at whatever cost football we play dull, pretty but not exciting, thats all just oppinion. I wasn't going to renew my ST's this year as I felt I needed to take a year off and just go to the odd game, but I thought I would bear with it and renew, I can't say that I am wholeheartedly glad I did. I also do not like Cooper the person, whilst I can only base my oppinion on his interviews and articles he gives I find the man arrogant beyond belief and have stopped listening to his interview after the game as it winds me up, we seem to watch completely different games for a start. I have followed Town home and away since 1982 and last year I stopped going to away games because it was no longer enjoyable to watch (Wolves aside that day was awesome) the Shrewsbury game has to be one of the worst games ever. So I accept that people like him and I accept they have a view, but my oppinion is exactly that an oppinion, it is mine and no less valid than yours, I always want whats best for my club and I feel we could be doing better with someone else. A couple of questions, Why have the attendances dropped, my own view is apathy and there are more Cooper dislikers than people realise. When did you last hear the town end singing his name in full, it is always half hearted because there are many of us who dont join in. I am not saying he is doing an awful job, but Williams IMO deserves a lot of the credit. The team last year were unfit and this was never addressed, we look much better this year. Only oppinion you gots ta be kidding me
  • Score: -12

2:22pm Wed 3 Sep 14

you gots ta be kidding me says...

sorry didn't realise how long that post was
sorry didn't realise how long that post was you gots ta be kidding me
  • Score: 0

2:49pm Wed 3 Sep 14

South Stand says...

you gots ta be kidding me wrote:
It annoys me that only one oppinion is allowed on here, that oppinion has to be that he is a good manager doing a good job, well frankly I disagree with that, I accept that its not the easiest job in the world, in terms of finances, but it is a lot easier than other jobs with the full backing of the chairman and a get out excuse of a young team.

For me we could be so much better than we are if we had an experienced manager that could look at a game or an outcome and change accordingly.

I personaly feel that our football is mostly played in front of the opposition and we often look pretty without purpose, our 13 game streak without a win last year it was obvious what we were missing, when he finally changed it with Storey playing in behind the opposition we looked a different team completely and looked like a top 5 team..... We could all see it but he couldn't, I also find the keep the ball at whatever cost football we play dull, pretty but not exciting, thats all just oppinion.

I wasn't going to renew my ST's this year as I felt I needed to take a year off and just go to the odd game, but I thought I would bear with it and renew, I can't say that I am wholeheartedly glad I did.

I also do not like Cooper the person, whilst I can only base my oppinion on his interviews and articles he gives I find the man arrogant beyond belief and have stopped listening to his interview after the game as it winds me up, we seem to watch completely different games for a start.

I have followed Town home and away since 1982 and last year I stopped going to away games because it was no longer enjoyable to watch (Wolves aside that day was awesome) the Shrewsbury game has to be one of the worst games ever.

So I accept that people like him and I accept they have a view, but my oppinion is exactly that an oppinion, it is mine and no less valid than yours, I always want whats best for my club and I feel we could be doing better with someone else.

A couple of questions, Why have the attendances dropped, my own view is apathy and there are more Cooper dislikers than people realise.
When did you last hear the town end singing his name in full, it is always half hearted because there are many of us who dont join in.

I am not saying he is doing an awful job, but Williams IMO deserves a lot of the credit.

The team last year were unfit and this was never addressed, we look much better this year.

Only oppinion
Agreed that football is all about opinions but I'd be interested on your thoughts as to when and how MC shows arrogance.
[quote][p][bold]you gots ta be kidding me[/bold] wrote: It annoys me that only one oppinion is allowed on here, that oppinion has to be that he is a good manager doing a good job, well frankly I disagree with that, I accept that its not the easiest job in the world, in terms of finances, but it is a lot easier than other jobs with the full backing of the chairman and a get out excuse of a young team. For me we could be so much better than we are if we had an experienced manager that could look at a game or an outcome and change accordingly. I personaly feel that our football is mostly played in front of the opposition and we often look pretty without purpose, our 13 game streak without a win last year it was obvious what we were missing, when he finally changed it with Storey playing in behind the opposition we looked a different team completely and looked like a top 5 team..... We could all see it but he couldn't, I also find the keep the ball at whatever cost football we play dull, pretty but not exciting, thats all just oppinion. I wasn't going to renew my ST's this year as I felt I needed to take a year off and just go to the odd game, but I thought I would bear with it and renew, I can't say that I am wholeheartedly glad I did. I also do not like Cooper the person, whilst I can only base my oppinion on his interviews and articles he gives I find the man arrogant beyond belief and have stopped listening to his interview after the game as it winds me up, we seem to watch completely different games for a start. I have followed Town home and away since 1982 and last year I stopped going to away games because it was no longer enjoyable to watch (Wolves aside that day was awesome) the Shrewsbury game has to be one of the worst games ever. So I accept that people like him and I accept they have a view, but my oppinion is exactly that an oppinion, it is mine and no less valid than yours, I always want whats best for my club and I feel we could be doing better with someone else. A couple of questions, Why have the attendances dropped, my own view is apathy and there are more Cooper dislikers than people realise. When did you last hear the town end singing his name in full, it is always half hearted because there are many of us who dont join in. I am not saying he is doing an awful job, but Williams IMO deserves a lot of the credit. The team last year were unfit and this was never addressed, we look much better this year. Only oppinion[/p][/quote]Agreed that football is all about opinions but I'd be interested on your thoughts as to when and how MC shows arrogance. South Stand
  • Score: 4

3:08pm Wed 3 Sep 14

Swindonboy says...

I used to go home all the time and away regularly but since getting married and having a child I can no longer do so-I have to watch the pennies- I'd love to go every week but simply cant afford it- Doesnt stop me being a fan and I will pick and choise games when finances allow- I'm sure im not the only one in this situation- Perhaps this doesnt explain why the drop overall but there must be other people like me who are finding these times tough!!!
I used to go home all the time and away regularly but since getting married and having a child I can no longer do so-I have to watch the pennies- I'd love to go every week but simply cant afford it- Doesnt stop me being a fan and I will pick and choise games when finances allow- I'm sure im not the only one in this situation- Perhaps this doesnt explain why the drop overall but there must be other people like me who are finding these times tough!!! Swindonboy
  • Score: 9

3:24pm Wed 3 Sep 14

Oi Den! says...

Cleuso wrote:
Oi Den! wrote:
manc, the timescale is fixed. He talked about the squad and what it can achieve collectively. We already know that Louis Thompson will be gone at the end of the season. Barring some very strange quirks of fate, many of the others will not be with us next season either. In fact, Stephens - a probable lynchpin - could be gone within 5 months from now. Taking just Thompson out will leave a big hole, let alone Stephens.

The comment Cooper has made is exactly the sort of thing a manager should be saying to his players in the privacy of the dressing room. We seem to agree on that. I stick to my view that saying it in public is unwise. I think he might even agree, on reflection

As ever, even though we disagree, you make a reasonable case. Posts like Cleuso's do irritate me though. Why would I want to "excite the doommongers of negativity" when I have been fully behind the manager from the start? Perhaps he thinks I want to be proved wrong about Cooper! There are posters on here, Cleuso probably being the most notable, who appear to think supporting the club means bowing and scraping at the feet of the manager and chairman and never expressing a word against them. Some of us can think for ourselves.

Good luck to Power, Cooper and the players. We could be in for a good season. Before the signing of Stephens, I thought we were heading for about 12th. We should do a bit better than that now.
Sorry I irritated you Den. Aplogies. I agree there was much positivity in your post.

However, if the club is ever to succeed there is a need to change the outlook of the casual supporter who has for one reason or another been fed with negative stories of one sort or another for a number of years now which have probably part of the reason attendances are down and are often replicated here..

We are now in a new regime after the ownership issue, the team is playing with a style not seen in a long time, we have made some good signings, yet some continually grind out their angst for their own personal reason, what ever that is.

Until fans like you who want the club to succeed shout a bit louder than those that portray an all is still wrong, progress at the club will always be restricted.

If I have a hissing fit then its down to wanting the club to succeed with what we have now and in the future as it makes attending matches far more enjoyable. If it upsets some who don't want that, I make no apology in challenging them here.

Repeat : Didn't mean of course to upset you.
It's only football Cleuso. Yes, I was irritated but let's forget that. It seems to me our only real disagreement is on whether people's views, as expressed on here, make any difference to anything. You get wound up when people say things you perceive as negative because you think it drags the club down. I don't think it can make any more than a tiny difference. In any case, the favourable comments outnumber the adverse ones by some distance, so more people should be encouraged than discouraged by reading this stuff.

Anyway, thirty odd people seem to agree with you that my view of Cooper's comments was wide of the mark. I still think he's given the squad a lot to live up to by suggesting the sky's the limit if only the players want it. If he'd said something like "I believe this squad is capable of challenging for promotion this season" I reckon he would have struck the right balance.
[quote][p][bold]Cleuso[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Oi Den![/bold] wrote: manc, the timescale is fixed. He talked about the squad and what it can achieve collectively. We already know that Louis Thompson will be gone at the end of the season. Barring some very strange quirks of fate, many of the others will not be with us next season either. In fact, Stephens - a probable lynchpin - could be gone within 5 months from now. Taking just Thompson out will leave a big hole, let alone Stephens. The comment Cooper has made is exactly the sort of thing a manager should be saying to his players in the privacy of the dressing room. We seem to agree on that. I stick to my view that saying it in public is unwise. I think he might even agree, on reflection As ever, even though we disagree, you make a reasonable case. Posts like Cleuso's do irritate me though. Why would I want to "excite the doommongers of negativity" when I have been fully behind the manager from the start? Perhaps he thinks I want to be proved wrong about Cooper! There are posters on here, Cleuso probably being the most notable, who appear to think supporting the club means bowing and scraping at the feet of the manager and chairman and never expressing a word against them. Some of us can think for ourselves. Good luck to Power, Cooper and the players. We could be in for a good season. Before the signing of Stephens, I thought we were heading for about 12th. We should do a bit better than that now.[/p][/quote]Sorry I irritated you Den. Aplogies. I agree there was much positivity in your post. However, if the club is ever to succeed there is a need to change the outlook of the casual supporter who has for one reason or another been fed with negative stories of one sort or another for a number of years now which have probably part of the reason attendances are down and are often replicated here.. We are now in a new regime after the ownership issue, the team is playing with a style not seen in a long time, we have made some good signings, yet some continually grind out their angst for their own personal reason, what ever that is. Until fans like you who want the club to succeed shout a bit louder than those that portray an all is still wrong, progress at the club will always be restricted. If I have a hissing fit then its down to wanting the club to succeed with what we have now and in the future as it makes attending matches far more enjoyable. If it upsets some who don't want that, I make no apology in challenging them here. Repeat : Didn't mean of course to upset you.[/p][/quote]It's only football Cleuso. Yes, I was irritated but let's forget that. It seems to me our only real disagreement is on whether people's views, as expressed on here, make any difference to anything. You get wound up when people say things you perceive as negative because you think it drags the club down. I don't think it can make any more than a tiny difference. In any case, the favourable comments outnumber the adverse ones by some distance, so more people should be encouraged than discouraged by reading this stuff. Anyway, thirty odd people seem to agree with you that my view of Cooper's comments was wide of the mark. I still think he's given the squad a lot to live up to by suggesting the sky's the limit if only the players want it. If he'd said something like "I believe this squad is capable of challenging for promotion this season" I reckon he would have struck the right balance. Oi Den!
  • Score: 2

3:25pm Wed 3 Sep 14

Wilesy says...

you gots ta be kidding me wrote:
It annoys me that only one oppinion is allowed on here, that oppinion has to be that he is a good manager doing a good job, well frankly I disagree with that, I accept that its not the easiest job in the world, in terms of finances, but it is a lot easier than other jobs with the full backing of the chairman and a get out excuse of a young team.

For me we could be so much better than we are if we had an experienced manager that could look at a game or an outcome and change accordingly.

I personaly feel that our football is mostly played in front of the opposition and we often look pretty without purpose, our 13 game streak without a win last year it was obvious what we were missing, when he finally changed it with Storey playing in behind the opposition we looked a different team completely and looked like a top 5 team..... We could all see it but he couldn't, I also find the keep the ball at whatever cost football we play dull, pretty but not exciting, thats all just oppinion.

I wasn't going to renew my ST's this year as I felt I needed to take a year off and just go to the odd game, but I thought I would bear with it and renew, I can't say that I am wholeheartedly glad I did.

I also do not like Cooper the person, whilst I can only base my oppinion on his interviews and articles he gives I find the man arrogant beyond belief and have stopped listening to his interview after the game as it winds me up, we seem to watch completely different games for a start.

I have followed Town home and away since 1982 and last year I stopped going to away games because it was no longer enjoyable to watch (Wolves aside that day was awesome) the Shrewsbury game has to be one of the worst games ever.

So I accept that people like him and I accept they have a view, but my oppinion is exactly that an oppinion, it is mine and no less valid than yours, I always want whats best for my club and I feel we could be doing better with someone else.

A couple of questions, Why have the attendances dropped, my own view is apathy and there are more Cooper dislikers than people realise.
When did you last hear the town end singing his name in full, it is always half hearted because there are many of us who dont join in.

I am not saying he is doing an awful job, but Williams IMO deserves a lot of the credit.

The team last year were unfit and this was never addressed, we look much better this year.

Only oppinion
Interesting post and some good views in there.

It's defintely a more attacking brand of football this year, but the damage may have been done last year like you say. I always go on about value for money and as away games cost more (time travel and tickets) it doesn't take too many Shrewsbury / Sheff Utd / Macclesfield / Oldham experiences to put you off although admittedly there were some good ones in amongst eg QPR / Rotherham / Wolves / Port Vale.

Its a new season though with new players and new tactics. Yes same manager but people should give it a go. Providing we are playing teams that want to play (unlike Crewe) the games have all been entertaining so far and good value for money. I'm also really enjoying watching some of our players like Luongo Kasim Byrne and (ahem) Louis develop, all much improved....
[quote][p][bold]you gots ta be kidding me[/bold] wrote: It annoys me that only one oppinion is allowed on here, that oppinion has to be that he is a good manager doing a good job, well frankly I disagree with that, I accept that its not the easiest job in the world, in terms of finances, but it is a lot easier than other jobs with the full backing of the chairman and a get out excuse of a young team. For me we could be so much better than we are if we had an experienced manager that could look at a game or an outcome and change accordingly. I personaly feel that our football is mostly played in front of the opposition and we often look pretty without purpose, our 13 game streak without a win last year it was obvious what we were missing, when he finally changed it with Storey playing in behind the opposition we looked a different team completely and looked like a top 5 team..... We could all see it but he couldn't, I also find the keep the ball at whatever cost football we play dull, pretty but not exciting, thats all just oppinion. I wasn't going to renew my ST's this year as I felt I needed to take a year off and just go to the odd game, but I thought I would bear with it and renew, I can't say that I am wholeheartedly glad I did. I also do not like Cooper the person, whilst I can only base my oppinion on his interviews and articles he gives I find the man arrogant beyond belief and have stopped listening to his interview after the game as it winds me up, we seem to watch completely different games for a start. I have followed Town home and away since 1982 and last year I stopped going to away games because it was no longer enjoyable to watch (Wolves aside that day was awesome) the Shrewsbury game has to be one of the worst games ever. So I accept that people like him and I accept they have a view, but my oppinion is exactly that an oppinion, it is mine and no less valid than yours, I always want whats best for my club and I feel we could be doing better with someone else. A couple of questions, Why have the attendances dropped, my own view is apathy and there are more Cooper dislikers than people realise. When did you last hear the town end singing his name in full, it is always half hearted because there are many of us who dont join in. I am not saying he is doing an awful job, but Williams IMO deserves a lot of the credit. The team last year were unfit and this was never addressed, we look much better this year. Only oppinion[/p][/quote]Interesting post and some good views in there. It's defintely a more attacking brand of football this year, but the damage may have been done last year like you say. I always go on about value for money and as away games cost more (time travel and tickets) it doesn't take too many Shrewsbury / Sheff Utd / Macclesfield / Oldham experiences to put you off although admittedly there were some good ones in amongst eg QPR / Rotherham / Wolves / Port Vale. Its a new season though with new players and new tactics. Yes same manager but people should give it a go. Providing we are playing teams that want to play (unlike Crewe) the games have all been entertaining so far and good value for money. I'm also really enjoying watching some of our players like Luongo Kasim Byrne and (ahem) Louis develop, all much improved.... Wilesy
  • Score: 2

3:47pm Wed 3 Sep 14

London Red says...

you gots ta be kidding me wrote:
It annoys me that only one oppinion is allowed on here, that oppinion has to be that he is a good manager doing a good job, well frankly I disagree with that, I accept that its not the easiest job in the world, in terms of finances, but it is a lot easier than other jobs with the full backing of the chairman and a get out excuse of a young team.

For me we could be so much better than we are if we had an experienced manager that could look at a game or an outcome and change accordingly.

I personaly feel that our football is mostly played in front of the opposition and we often look pretty without purpose, our 13 game streak without a win last year it was obvious what we were missing, when he finally changed it with Storey playing in behind the opposition we looked a different team completely and looked like a top 5 team..... We could all see it but he couldn't, I also find the keep the ball at whatever cost football we play dull, pretty but not exciting, thats all just oppinion.

I wasn't going to renew my ST's this year as I felt I needed to take a year off and just go to the odd game, but I thought I would bear with it and renew, I can't say that I am wholeheartedly glad I did.

I also do not like Cooper the person, whilst I can only base my oppinion on his interviews and articles he gives I find the man arrogant beyond belief and have stopped listening to his interview after the game as it winds me up, we seem to watch completely different games for a start.

I have followed Town home and away since 1982 and last year I stopped going to away games because it was no longer enjoyable to watch (Wolves aside that day was awesome) the Shrewsbury game has to be one of the worst games ever.

So I accept that people like him and I accept they have a view, but my oppinion is exactly that an oppinion, it is mine and no less valid than yours, I always want whats best for my club and I feel we could be doing better with someone else.

A couple of questions, Why have the attendances dropped, my own view is apathy and there are more Cooper dislikers than people realise.
When did you last hear the town end singing his name in full, it is always half hearted because there are many of us who dont join in.

I am not saying he is doing an awful job, but Williams IMO deserves a lot of the credit.

The team last year were unfit and this was never addressed, we look much better this year.

Only oppinion
Can you update me to exactly when this alleged 13 game run without a win occurred?
[quote][p][bold]you gots ta be kidding me[/bold] wrote: It annoys me that only one oppinion is allowed on here, that oppinion has to be that he is a good manager doing a good job, well frankly I disagree with that, I accept that its not the easiest job in the world, in terms of finances, but it is a lot easier than other jobs with the full backing of the chairman and a get out excuse of a young team. For me we could be so much better than we are if we had an experienced manager that could look at a game or an outcome and change accordingly. I personaly feel that our football is mostly played in front of the opposition and we often look pretty without purpose, our 13 game streak without a win last year it was obvious what we were missing, when he finally changed it with Storey playing in behind the opposition we looked a different team completely and looked like a top 5 team..... We could all see it but he couldn't, I also find the keep the ball at whatever cost football we play dull, pretty but not exciting, thats all just oppinion. I wasn't going to renew my ST's this year as I felt I needed to take a year off and just go to the odd game, but I thought I would bear with it and renew, I can't say that I am wholeheartedly glad I did. I also do not like Cooper the person, whilst I can only base my oppinion on his interviews and articles he gives I find the man arrogant beyond belief and have stopped listening to his interview after the game as it winds me up, we seem to watch completely different games for a start. I have followed Town home and away since 1982 and last year I stopped going to away games because it was no longer enjoyable to watch (Wolves aside that day was awesome) the Shrewsbury game has to be one of the worst games ever. So I accept that people like him and I accept they have a view, but my oppinion is exactly that an oppinion, it is mine and no less valid than yours, I always want whats best for my club and I feel we could be doing better with someone else. A couple of questions, Why have the attendances dropped, my own view is apathy and there are more Cooper dislikers than people realise. When did you last hear the town end singing his name in full, it is always half hearted because there are many of us who dont join in. I am not saying he is doing an awful job, but Williams IMO deserves a lot of the credit. The team last year were unfit and this was never addressed, we look much better this year. Only oppinion[/p][/quote]Can you update me to exactly when this alleged 13 game run without a win occurred? London Red
  • Score: 5

4:49pm Wed 3 Sep 14

Chish and Fips says...

Can't help feeling we have good blend of youngsters who hopefully will give it their best.
It's going to take a while to get those missing supporters back, but if results and the standard carries on hopefully they will return, I include myself in that Jock, I'm too busy practising my putting on the 19th hole Den :o)
Can't help feeling we have good blend of youngsters who hopefully will give it their best. It's going to take a while to get those missing supporters back, but if results and the standard carries on hopefully they will return, I include myself in that Jock, I'm too busy practising my putting on the 19th hole Den :o) Chish and Fips
  • Score: -3

5:02pm Wed 3 Sep 14

Oi Den! says...

Cleuso, I should have added that I was probably wrong to bite in the way I did, so time to draw a complete line under that one I think.

Chish, you go steady! Our players will surely give it their best. If that takes us to the heights Cooper suggests, we'll all be very happy.
Cleuso, I should have added that I was probably wrong to bite in the way I did, so time to draw a complete line under that one I think. Chish, you go steady! Our players will surely give it their best. If that takes us to the heights Cooper suggests, we'll all be very happy. Oi Den!
  • Score: 2

5:38pm Wed 3 Sep 14

lifelong red says...

Oi Den! wrote:
"We've got a really good squad in place, that I think can achieve whatever it wants to achieve."

Bit of a hostage to fortune there, Mark. Anything less than promotion this season would be because the players don't want it enough then? Any such achievement would have to come this season, as many of the squad are not scheduled to be here afterwards.

I'm all for our manager believing we can have a good crack at promotion but to suggest it's only a matter of the players having the necessary desire is a bit rash.
" Can achieve whatever it wants to achieve " may not be meant in the context of players having the necessary desire - could also be interpretated as players capable of achieving anything they want - which is entirely different - depends on which way you read it.
[quote][p][bold]Oi Den![/bold] wrote: "We've got a really good squad in place, that I think can achieve whatever it wants to achieve." Bit of a hostage to fortune there, Mark. Anything less than promotion this season would be because the players don't want it enough then? Any such achievement would have to come this season, as many of the squad are not scheduled to be here afterwards. I'm all for our manager believing we can have a good crack at promotion but to suggest it's only a matter of the players having the necessary desire is a bit rash.[/p][/quote]" Can achieve whatever it wants to achieve " may not be meant in the context of players having the necessary desire - could also be interpretated as players capable of achieving anything they want - which is entirely different - depends on which way you read it. lifelong red
  • Score: 2

5:44pm Wed 3 Sep 14

Cleuso says...

you gots ta be kidding me wrote:
It annoys me that only one oppinion is allowed on here, that oppinion has to be that he is a good manager doing a good job, well frankly I disagree with that, I accept that its not the easiest job in the world, in terms of finances, but it is a lot easier than other jobs with the full backing of the chairman and a get out excuse of a young team.

For me we could be so much better than we are if we had an experienced manager that could look at a game or an outcome and change accordingly.

I personaly feel that our football is mostly played in front of the opposition and we often look pretty without purpose, our 13 game streak without a win last year it was obvious what we were missing, when he finally changed it with Storey playing in behind the opposition we looked a different team completely and looked like a top 5 team..... We could all see it but he couldn't, I also find the keep the ball at whatever cost football we play dull, pretty but not exciting, thats all just oppinion.

I wasn't going to renew my ST's this year as I felt I needed to take a year off and just go to the odd game, but I thought I would bear with it and renew, I can't say that I am wholeheartedly glad I did.

I also do not like Cooper the person, whilst I can only base my oppinion on his interviews and articles he gives I find the man arrogant beyond belief and have stopped listening to his interview after the game as it winds me up, we seem to watch completely different games for a start.

I have followed Town home and away since 1982 and last year I stopped going to away games because it was no longer enjoyable to watch (Wolves aside that day was awesome) the Shrewsbury game has to be one of the worst games ever.

So I accept that people like him and I accept they have a view, but my oppinion is exactly that an oppinion, it is mine and no less valid than yours, I always want whats best for my club and I feel we could be doing better with someone else.

A couple of questions, Why have the attendances dropped, my own view is apathy and there are more Cooper dislikers than people realise.
When did you last hear the town end singing his name in full, it is always half hearted because there are many of us who dont join in.

I am not saying he is doing an awful job, but Williams IMO deserves a lot of the credit.

The team last year were unfit and this was never addressed, we look much better this year.

Only oppinion
Better or it could even be worse with an experienced manager... there is no guarantee ..just my opinion.

Wasn't Wilson experienced , but seemed to get no respect from the players who let him down badly. At least the team now always talk highly of Cooper and their displays show 100% commitment to the cause.

If you have followed since 1982 you will no doubt recall disasters , like Histon, Boston, Oxford, Northampton at home losing 5-1, huge defeats at Bolton , Notts forest, rock bottom of the league in 2000 and 2011 ... puts last season and its matches a little more in perspective. It really wasn't that bad in comparison to many others.
[quote][p][bold]you gots ta be kidding me[/bold] wrote: It annoys me that only one oppinion is allowed on here, that oppinion has to be that he is a good manager doing a good job, well frankly I disagree with that, I accept that its not the easiest job in the world, in terms of finances, but it is a lot easier than other jobs with the full backing of the chairman and a get out excuse of a young team. For me we could be so much better than we are if we had an experienced manager that could look at a game or an outcome and change accordingly. I personaly feel that our football is mostly played in front of the opposition and we often look pretty without purpose, our 13 game streak without a win last year it was obvious what we were missing, when he finally changed it with Storey playing in behind the opposition we looked a different team completely and looked like a top 5 team..... We could all see it but he couldn't, I also find the keep the ball at whatever cost football we play dull, pretty but not exciting, thats all just oppinion. I wasn't going to renew my ST's this year as I felt I needed to take a year off and just go to the odd game, but I thought I would bear with it and renew, I can't say that I am wholeheartedly glad I did. I also do not like Cooper the person, whilst I can only base my oppinion on his interviews and articles he gives I find the man arrogant beyond belief and have stopped listening to his interview after the game as it winds me up, we seem to watch completely different games for a start. I have followed Town home and away since 1982 and last year I stopped going to away games because it was no longer enjoyable to watch (Wolves aside that day was awesome) the Shrewsbury game has to be one of the worst games ever. So I accept that people like him and I accept they have a view, but my oppinion is exactly that an oppinion, it is mine and no less valid than yours, I always want whats best for my club and I feel we could be doing better with someone else. A couple of questions, Why have the attendances dropped, my own view is apathy and there are more Cooper dislikers than people realise. When did you last hear the town end singing his name in full, it is always half hearted because there are many of us who dont join in. I am not saying he is doing an awful job, but Williams IMO deserves a lot of the credit. The team last year were unfit and this was never addressed, we look much better this year. Only oppinion[/p][/quote]Better or it could even be worse with an experienced manager... there is no guarantee ..just my opinion. Wasn't Wilson experienced , but seemed to get no respect from the players who let him down badly. At least the team now always talk highly of Cooper and their displays show 100% commitment to the cause. If you have followed since 1982 you will no doubt recall disasters , like Histon, Boston, Oxford, Northampton at home losing 5-1, huge defeats at Bolton , Notts forest, rock bottom of the league in 2000 and 2011 ... puts last season and its matches a little more in perspective. It really wasn't that bad in comparison to many others. Cleuso
  • Score: 7

5:58pm Wed 3 Sep 14

Oi Den! says...

Sorry lifelong. Can't see the difference at all - but enough is enough.
Sorry lifelong. Can't see the difference at all - but enough is enough. Oi Den!
  • Score: -2

6:14pm Wed 3 Sep 14

dazzastfc says...

umpcah wrote:
Oi Den! wrote:
"We've got a really good squad in place, that I think can achieve whatever it wants to achieve."

Bit of a hostage to fortune there, Mark. Anything less than promotion this season would be because the players don't want it enough then? Any such achievement would have to come this season, as many of the squad are not scheduled to be here afterwards.

I'm all for our manager believing we can have a good crack at promotion but to suggest it's only a matter of the players having the necessary desire is a bit rash.
Necessary desire is a vital ingredient and with such , it seems , a happy dressing room together with good coaching a promotion push is now well on the cards i.m.o. Let`s hope for a turnout of 10000 for the next home match which follows two weeks of footie starvation !
10,000 Come on umpach we all hope for that but it will never happen..
But it would be good and create a cracking atmosphere...
We live in hope mate

WELL DONE COOPER AND POWER on the transfers...
[quote][p][bold]umpcah[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Oi Den![/bold] wrote: "We've got a really good squad in place, that I think can achieve whatever it wants to achieve." Bit of a hostage to fortune there, Mark. Anything less than promotion this season would be because the players don't want it enough then? Any such achievement would have to come this season, as many of the squad are not scheduled to be here afterwards. I'm all for our manager believing we can have a good crack at promotion but to suggest it's only a matter of the players having the necessary desire is a bit rash.[/p][/quote]Necessary desire is a vital ingredient and with such , it seems , a happy dressing room together with good coaching a promotion push is now well on the cards i.m.o. Let`s hope for a turnout of 10000 for the next home match which follows two weeks of footie starvation ![/p][/quote]10,000 Come on umpach we all hope for that but it will never happen.. But it would be good and create a cracking atmosphere... We live in hope mate WELL DONE COOPER AND POWER on the transfers... dazzastfc
  • Score: 2

6:15pm Wed 3 Sep 14

london paolo says...

Oi Den! wrote:
Sorry lifelong. Can't see the difference at all - but enough is enough.
No, go on Den, go back for one more nibble.

We're all watching and waiting….
[quote][p][bold]Oi Den![/bold] wrote: Sorry lifelong. Can't see the difference at all - but enough is enough.[/p][/quote]No, go on Den, go back for one more nibble. We're all watching and waiting…. london paolo
  • Score: 0

6:15pm Wed 3 Sep 14

dazzastfc says...

umpcah wrote:
Oi Den! wrote:
"We've got a really good squad in place, that I think can achieve whatever it wants to achieve."

Bit of a hostage to fortune there, Mark. Anything less than promotion this season would be because the players don't want it enough then? Any such achievement would have to come this season, as many of the squad are not scheduled to be here afterwards.

I'm all for our manager believing we can have a good crack at promotion but to suggest it's only a matter of the players having the necessary desire is a bit rash.
Necessary desire is a vital ingredient and with such , it seems , a happy dressing room together with good coaching a promotion push is now well on the cards i.m.o. Let`s hope for a turnout of 10000 for the next home match which follows two weeks of footie starvation !
10,000 Come on umpach we all hope for that but it will never happen..
But it would be good and create a cracking atmosphere...
We live in hope mate

WELL DONE COOPER AND POWER on the transfers...
[quote][p][bold]umpcah[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Oi Den![/bold] wrote: "We've got a really good squad in place, that I think can achieve whatever it wants to achieve." Bit of a hostage to fortune there, Mark. Anything less than promotion this season would be because the players don't want it enough then? Any such achievement would have to come this season, as many of the squad are not scheduled to be here afterwards. I'm all for our manager believing we can have a good crack at promotion but to suggest it's only a matter of the players having the necessary desire is a bit rash.[/p][/quote]Necessary desire is a vital ingredient and with such , it seems , a happy dressing room together with good coaching a promotion push is now well on the cards i.m.o. Let`s hope for a turnout of 10000 for the next home match which follows two weeks of footie starvation ![/p][/quote]10,000 Come on umpach we all hope for that but it will never happen.. But it would be good and create a cracking atmosphere... We live in hope mate WELL DONE COOPER AND POWER on the transfers... dazzastfc
  • Score: -1

6:36pm Wed 3 Sep 14

Oi Den! says...

london paolo wrote:
Oi Den! wrote:
Sorry lifelong. Can't see the difference at all - but enough is enough.
No, go on Den, go back for one more nibble.

We're all watching and waiting….
Haha! No - in the face of all those minuses, I had to try to put up a stout defence but that's definitely enough... Contd P94...
[quote][p][bold]london paolo[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Oi Den![/bold] wrote: Sorry lifelong. Can't see the difference at all - but enough is enough.[/p][/quote]No, go on Den, go back for one more nibble. We're all watching and waiting….[/p][/quote]Haha! No - in the face of all those minuses, I had to try to put up a stout defence but that's definitely enough... Contd P94... Oi Den!
  • Score: 1

6:44pm Wed 3 Sep 14

you gots ta be kidding me says...

Cleuso wrote:
you gots ta be kidding me wrote: It annoys me that only one oppinion is allowed on here, that oppinion has to be that he is a good manager doing a good job, well frankly I disagree with that, I accept that its not the easiest job in the world, in terms of finances, but it is a lot easier than other jobs with the full backing of the chairman and a get out excuse of a young team. For me we could be so much better than we are if we had an experienced manager that could look at a game or an outcome and change accordingly. I personaly feel that our football is mostly played in front of the opposition and we often look pretty without purpose, our 13 game streak without a win last year it was obvious what we were missing, when he finally changed it with Storey playing in behind the opposition we looked a different team completely and looked like a top 5 team..... We could all see it but he couldn't, I also find the keep the ball at whatever cost football we play dull, pretty but not exciting, thats all just oppinion. I wasn't going to renew my ST's this year as I felt I needed to take a year off and just go to the odd game, but I thought I would bear with it and renew, I can't say that I am wholeheartedly glad I did. I also do not like Cooper the person, whilst I can only base my oppinion on his interviews and articles he gives I find the man arrogant beyond belief and have stopped listening to his interview after the game as it winds me up, we seem to watch completely different games for a start. I have followed Town home and away since 1982 and last year I stopped going to away games because it was no longer enjoyable to watch (Wolves aside that day was awesome) the Shrewsbury game has to be one of the worst games ever. So I accept that people like him and I accept they have a view, but my oppinion is exactly that an oppinion, it is mine and no less valid than yours, I always want whats best for my club and I feel we could be doing better with someone else. A couple of questions, Why have the attendances dropped, my own view is apathy and there are more Cooper dislikers than people realise. When did you last hear the town end singing his name in full, it is always half hearted because there are many of us who dont join in. I am not saying he is doing an awful job, but Williams IMO deserves a lot of the credit. The team last year were unfit and this was never addressed, we look much better this year. Only oppinion
Better or it could even be worse with an experienced manager... there is no guarantee ..just my opinion. Wasn't Wilson experienced , but seemed to get no respect from the players who let him down badly. At least the team now always talk highly of Cooper and their displays show 100% commitment to the cause. If you have followed since 1982 you will no doubt recall disasters , like Histon, Boston, Oxford, Northampton at home losing 5-1, huge defeats at Bolton , Notts forest, rock bottom of the league in 2000 and 2011 ... puts last season and its matches a little more in perspective. It really wasn't that bad in comparison to many others.
Yep it could be a lot worse, as I said it was just my oppinion and yes I agree some of the times we have had were a lot worse than they are now, probably the worst I have ever seen as a team was the Jimmy Quinn manager team where he was playing up front on his own running in quicksand and only jumping 2 inches for the ball.

I liked Wilson and the style of play that we had, with Ward whipping balls in. But we signed a lot of characters that year and letting Greer go lost any control he could maintain, also not replacing Austin and Relying on Dossevi and Perricard did us that year for sure.

Its funny that my whole point was that people shout down peoples oppinion if it isn't an ultra positive one, yet when Fredi was leaking stuff directly out of the club that was factual she was slaughtered.....

I cant help the facvt that I don't like him, I dont abuse him or shout at him, I support the players but have just chosen not to go to any away games anymore....... I have still bought a shirt and 2 season tickets......

I didn't much like Andy King either
[quote][p][bold]Cleuso[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]you gots ta be kidding me[/bold] wrote: It annoys me that only one oppinion is allowed on here, that oppinion has to be that he is a good manager doing a good job, well frankly I disagree with that, I accept that its not the easiest job in the world, in terms of finances, but it is a lot easier than other jobs with the full backing of the chairman and a get out excuse of a young team. For me we could be so much better than we are if we had an experienced manager that could look at a game or an outcome and change accordingly. I personaly feel that our football is mostly played in front of the opposition and we often look pretty without purpose, our 13 game streak without a win last year it was obvious what we were missing, when he finally changed it with Storey playing in behind the opposition we looked a different team completely and looked like a top 5 team..... We could all see it but he couldn't, I also find the keep the ball at whatever cost football we play dull, pretty but not exciting, thats all just oppinion. I wasn't going to renew my ST's this year as I felt I needed to take a year off and just go to the odd game, but I thought I would bear with it and renew, I can't say that I am wholeheartedly glad I did. I also do not like Cooper the person, whilst I can only base my oppinion on his interviews and articles he gives I find the man arrogant beyond belief and have stopped listening to his interview after the game as it winds me up, we seem to watch completely different games for a start. I have followed Town home and away since 1982 and last year I stopped going to away games because it was no longer enjoyable to watch (Wolves aside that day was awesome) the Shrewsbury game has to be one of the worst games ever. So I accept that people like him and I accept they have a view, but my oppinion is exactly that an oppinion, it is mine and no less valid than yours, I always want whats best for my club and I feel we could be doing better with someone else. A couple of questions, Why have the attendances dropped, my own view is apathy and there are more Cooper dislikers than people realise. When did you last hear the town end singing his name in full, it is always half hearted because there are many of us who dont join in. I am not saying he is doing an awful job, but Williams IMO deserves a lot of the credit. The team last year were unfit and this was never addressed, we look much better this year. Only oppinion[/p][/quote]Better or it could even be worse with an experienced manager... there is no guarantee ..just my opinion. Wasn't Wilson experienced , but seemed to get no respect from the players who let him down badly. At least the team now always talk highly of Cooper and their displays show 100% commitment to the cause. If you have followed since 1982 you will no doubt recall disasters , like Histon, Boston, Oxford, Northampton at home losing 5-1, huge defeats at Bolton , Notts forest, rock bottom of the league in 2000 and 2011 ... puts last season and its matches a little more in perspective. It really wasn't that bad in comparison to many others.[/p][/quote]Yep it could be a lot worse, as I said it was just my oppinion and yes I agree some of the times we have had were a lot worse than they are now, probably the worst I have ever seen as a team was the Jimmy Quinn manager team where he was playing up front on his own running in quicksand and only jumping 2 inches for the ball. I liked Wilson and the style of play that we had, with Ward whipping balls in. But we signed a lot of characters that year and letting Greer go lost any control he could maintain, also not replacing Austin and Relying on Dossevi and Perricard did us that year for sure. Its funny that my whole point was that people shout down peoples oppinion if it isn't an ultra positive one, yet when Fredi was leaking stuff directly out of the club that was factual she was slaughtered..... I cant help the facvt that I don't like him, I dont abuse him or shout at him, I support the players but have just chosen not to go to any away games anymore....... I have still bought a shirt and 2 season tickets...... I didn't much like Andy King either you gots ta be kidding me
  • Score: 3

7:20pm Wed 3 Sep 14

TheDukeOfBanbury says...

harley red wrote:
Cleuso wrote:
Oi Den! wrote:
"We've got a really good squad in place, that I think can achieve whatever it wants to achieve."

Bit of a hostage to fortune there, Mark. Anything less than promotion this season would be because the players don't want it enough then? Any such achievement would have to come this season, as many of the squad are not scheduled to be here afterwards.

I'm all for our manager believing we can have a good crack at promotion but to suggest it's only a matter of the players having the necessary desire is a bit rash.
Really scraping the barrel there Den, picking out a word or two out of something really positive and using them to get the doomongers of negativity really excited.

I can well visualise the position in your household, when you get the news that you have won the lottery jackpot but then complain because you have to travel 100 miles to pick up the cheque... Lol !
ALL PEOPLE HAVE AN OPINION if it's not what you happy clappers want to hear then you slag it off . I think obika is a gamble at 200 grand as he was very poor when he was last with us . But the other signing is perfect and it does look a formidable back line .
Every player is a gamble. An injury could wipe out a season in minutes.
Ranger was a gamble.
Happy that we are taking a gamble rather than Jed selling the Crown Jewels and promising everything whilst raping our Club.
Always be careful what you wish for.
Cooper deserves to be pleased from this transfer window.
[quote][p][bold]harley red[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Cleuso[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Oi Den![/bold] wrote: "We've got a really good squad in place, that I think can achieve whatever it wants to achieve." Bit of a hostage to fortune there, Mark. Anything less than promotion this season would be because the players don't want it enough then? Any such achievement would have to come this season, as many of the squad are not scheduled to be here afterwards. I'm all for our manager believing we can have a good crack at promotion but to suggest it's only a matter of the players having the necessary desire is a bit rash.[/p][/quote]Really scraping the barrel there Den, picking out a word or two out of something really positive and using them to get the doomongers of negativity really excited. I can well visualise the position in your household, when you get the news that you have won the lottery jackpot but then complain because you have to travel 100 miles to pick up the cheque... Lol ![/p][/quote]ALL PEOPLE HAVE AN OPINION if it's not what you happy clappers want to hear then you slag it off . I think obika is a gamble at 200 grand as he was very poor when he was last with us . But the other signing is perfect and it does look a formidable back line .[/p][/quote]Every player is a gamble. An injury could wipe out a season in minutes. Ranger was a gamble. Happy that we are taking a gamble rather than Jed selling the Crown Jewels and promising everything whilst raping our Club. Always be careful what you wish for. Cooper deserves to be pleased from this transfer window. TheDukeOfBanbury
  • Score: 4

7:21pm Wed 3 Sep 14

Wayne Allison Bromham says...

With the two new players, it will be interesting to see how Cooper integrates them into the team and who he leaves out, especially with the 3-5-2 that he now plays, it seems sensible to assume that Williams will make way for Obika. But with the 3 at the back who is going to make way? There is now Stephens Turnbull, Branco and Thompson vying for 3 spots. Seems to me that Cooper has a bit of a conundrum on his hands unless he changes the formation which has worked well so far.
With the two new players, it will be interesting to see how Cooper integrates them into the team and who he leaves out, especially with the 3-5-2 that he now plays, it seems sensible to assume that Williams will make way for Obika. But with the 3 at the back who is going to make way? There is now Stephens Turnbull, Branco and Thompson vying for 3 spots. Seems to me that Cooper has a bit of a conundrum on his hands unless he changes the formation which has worked well so far. Wayne Allison Bromham
  • Score: 0

8:06pm Wed 3 Sep 14

Cleuso says...

you gots ta be kidding me wrote:
Cleuso wrote:
you gots ta be kidding me wrote: It annoys me that only one oppinion is allowed on here, that oppinion has to be that he is a good manager doing a good job, well frankly I disagree with that, I accept that its not the easiest job in the world, in terms of finances, but it is a lot easier than other jobs with the full backing of the chairman and a get out excuse of a young team. For me we could be so much better than we are if we had an experienced manager that could look at a game or an outcome and change accordingly. I personaly feel that our football is mostly played in front of the opposition and we often look pretty without purpose, our 13 game streak without a win last year it was obvious what we were missing, when he finally changed it with Storey playing in behind the opposition we looked a different team completely and looked like a top 5 team..... We could all see it but he couldn't, I also find the keep the ball at whatever cost football we play dull, pretty but not exciting, thats all just oppinion. I wasn't going to renew my ST's this year as I felt I needed to take a year off and just go to the odd game, but I thought I would bear with it and renew, I can't say that I am wholeheartedly glad I did. I also do not like Cooper the person, whilst I can only base my oppinion on his interviews and articles he gives I find the man arrogant beyond belief and have stopped listening to his interview after the game as it winds me up, we seem to watch completely different games for a start. I have followed Town home and away since 1982 and last year I stopped going to away games because it was no longer enjoyable to watch (Wolves aside that day was awesome) the Shrewsbury game has to be one of the worst games ever. So I accept that people like him and I accept they have a view, but my oppinion is exactly that an oppinion, it is mine and no less valid than yours, I always want whats best for my club and I feel we could be doing better with someone else. A couple of questions, Why have the attendances dropped, my own view is apathy and there are more Cooper dislikers than people realise. When did you last hear the town end singing his name in full, it is always half hearted because there are many of us who dont join in. I am not saying he is doing an awful job, but Williams IMO deserves a lot of the credit. The team last year were unfit and this was never addressed, we look much better this year. Only oppinion
Better or it could even be worse with an experienced manager... there is no guarantee ..just my opinion. Wasn't Wilson experienced , but seemed to get no respect from the players who let him down badly. At least the team now always talk highly of Cooper and their displays show 100% commitment to the cause. If you have followed since 1982 you will no doubt recall disasters , like Histon, Boston, Oxford, Northampton at home losing 5-1, huge defeats at Bolton , Notts forest, rock bottom of the league in 2000 and 2011 ... puts last season and its matches a little more in perspective. It really wasn't that bad in comparison to many others.
Yep it could be a lot worse, as I said it was just my oppinion and yes I agree some of the times we have had were a lot worse than they are now, probably the worst I have ever seen as a team was the Jimmy Quinn manager team where he was playing up front on his own running in quicksand and only jumping 2 inches for the ball.

I liked Wilson and the style of play that we had, with Ward whipping balls in. But we signed a lot of characters that year and letting Greer go lost any control he could maintain, also not replacing Austin and Relying on Dossevi and Perricard did us that year for sure.

Its funny that my whole point was that people shout down peoples oppinion if it isn't an ultra positive one, yet when Fredi was leaking stuff directly out of the club that was factual she was slaughtered.....

I cant help the facvt that I don't like him, I dont abuse him or shout at him, I support the players but have just chosen not to go to any away games anymore....... I have still bought a shirt and 2 season tickets......

I didn't much like Andy King either
Glad you used these words in your original post < Why have the attendances dropped, my own view is apathy>

Go back a few days, I made the observation that the best you can achieve with negativity is apathy. QED.
[quote][p][bold]you gots ta be kidding me[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Cleuso[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]you gots ta be kidding me[/bold] wrote: It annoys me that only one oppinion is allowed on here, that oppinion has to be that he is a good manager doing a good job, well frankly I disagree with that, I accept that its not the easiest job in the world, in terms of finances, but it is a lot easier than other jobs with the full backing of the chairman and a get out excuse of a young team. For me we could be so much better than we are if we had an experienced manager that could look at a game or an outcome and change accordingly. I personaly feel that our football is mostly played in front of the opposition and we often look pretty without purpose, our 13 game streak without a win last year it was obvious what we were missing, when he finally changed it with Storey playing in behind the opposition we looked a different team completely and looked like a top 5 team..... We could all see it but he couldn't, I also find the keep the ball at whatever cost football we play dull, pretty but not exciting, thats all just oppinion. I wasn't going to renew my ST's this year as I felt I needed to take a year off and just go to the odd game, but I thought I would bear with it and renew, I can't say that I am wholeheartedly glad I did. I also do not like Cooper the person, whilst I can only base my oppinion on his interviews and articles he gives I find the man arrogant beyond belief and have stopped listening to his interview after the game as it winds me up, we seem to watch completely different games for a start. I have followed Town home and away since 1982 and last year I stopped going to away games because it was no longer enjoyable to watch (Wolves aside that day was awesome) the Shrewsbury game has to be one of the worst games ever. So I accept that people like him and I accept they have a view, but my oppinion is exactly that an oppinion, it is mine and no less valid than yours, I always want whats best for my club and I feel we could be doing better with someone else. A couple of questions, Why have the attendances dropped, my own view is apathy and there are more Cooper dislikers than people realise. When did you last hear the town end singing his name in full, it is always half hearted because there are many of us who dont join in. I am not saying he is doing an awful job, but Williams IMO deserves a lot of the credit. The team last year were unfit and this was never addressed, we look much better this year. Only oppinion[/p][/quote]Better or it could even be worse with an experienced manager... there is no guarantee ..just my opinion. Wasn't Wilson experienced , but seemed to get no respect from the players who let him down badly. At least the team now always talk highly of Cooper and their displays show 100% commitment to the cause. If you have followed since 1982 you will no doubt recall disasters , like Histon, Boston, Oxford, Northampton at home losing 5-1, huge defeats at Bolton , Notts forest, rock bottom of the league in 2000 and 2011 ... puts last season and its matches a little more in perspective. It really wasn't that bad in comparison to many others.[/p][/quote]Yep it could be a lot worse, as I said it was just my oppinion and yes I agree some of the times we have had were a lot worse than they are now, probably the worst I have ever seen as a team was the Jimmy Quinn manager team where he was playing up front on his own running in quicksand and only jumping 2 inches for the ball. I liked Wilson and the style of play that we had, with Ward whipping balls in. But we signed a lot of characters that year and letting Greer go lost any control he could maintain, also not replacing Austin and Relying on Dossevi and Perricard did us that year for sure. Its funny that my whole point was that people shout down peoples oppinion if it isn't an ultra positive one, yet when Fredi was leaking stuff directly out of the club that was factual she was slaughtered..... I cant help the facvt that I don't like him, I dont abuse him or shout at him, I support the players but have just chosen not to go to any away games anymore....... I have still bought a shirt and 2 season tickets...... I didn't much like Andy King either[/p][/quote]Glad you used these words in your original post < Why have the attendances dropped, my own view is apathy> Go back a few days, I made the observation that the best you can achieve with negativity is apathy. QED. Cleuso
  • Score: -2

8:55pm Wed 3 Sep 14

dazzastfc says...

newburymike wrote:
Troy Archibald who?? It seems nobody regrets the decision to let him go now. From Darren Ward &amp; Grant Hall (no disrespect meant) to Stevens, Turnbull, &amp; Branco, what a difference a year makes. If Obika starts well it's playoffs here we come (or better).
I Have no doubt that we will make the playoffs AT LEAST as i think we will finish in the top 2..
Esp now we have stephens is back Hope we can extend his contract in january.. PLUS the strikers have competition so options up front as well...

Good work power @ cooperman...
[quote][p][bold]newburymike[/bold] wrote: Troy Archibald who?? It seems nobody regrets the decision to let him go now. From Darren Ward & Grant Hall (no disrespect meant) to Stevens, Turnbull, & Branco, what a difference a year makes. If Obika starts well it's playoffs here we come (or better).[/p][/quote]I Have no doubt that we will make the playoffs AT LEAST as i think we will finish in the top 2.. Esp now we have stephens is back Hope we can extend his contract in january.. PLUS the strikers have competition so options up front as well... Good work power @ cooperman... dazzastfc
  • Score: 3

8:55pm Wed 3 Sep 14

old town robin says...

dreamofacleansheet2 wrote:
As I've said consistently I'd have built the team around the brothers Thompson. Having a Swindon core to me is crucial and makes up for all the loans. I also think long term Norwich have done an unbelievable deal but that's because I've always rated Louis T extremely highly (even when he was on the bench). Of course though like many players before him him may not improve. It's a risk for Norwich although I'd obviously take it if I were them.

I'm all over the 33/1 on us to win the league. Even more so the 9-1 you can get on us to be promoted or the 9/2 to be top 6. Troy is a big miss but as others have said he's been no where to be seen yet. Stephens for me is the best defender we have and then also provides competition for places and flexibility in times of injury or suspension by virtue of Nathans flexibility.

I am all for Coopers words Den. Frankly it's a flippin revelation to hear a manager of ours being calm collected and unbelievably positive. Don't think there is any danger of our lot getting carried away as they all clearly work so hard to improve and I think the manager effectively &quot;calling" promotion is brilliant for all of them to hear.

I also think the way he talked about Obika is interesting. I'm with everyone else on thinking he must be a risk but he has sure has hell has given him the vote of confidence. All in all brilliant transfer window and this team can storm this league with a fair wind.

Get on the bets and get behind your team home and away. This is shaping up to be an epic season.

COYR.

Ps I'll get the sculpture to start chiseling Coop's and Power's figures out.... Come on!

Pps Apologies to all the doom sayers. Your right it's way easier being one of them because as the odds suggest it's unlikely we'll do it. But I BELIEVE we can......
Which bookie is offering the best odds
[quote][p][bold]dreamofacleansheet2[/bold] wrote: As I've said consistently I'd have built the team around the brothers Thompson. Having a Swindon core to me is crucial and makes up for all the loans. I also think long term Norwich have done an unbelievable deal but that's because I've always rated Louis T extremely highly (even when he was on the bench). Of course though like many players before him him may not improve. It's a risk for Norwich although I'd obviously take it if I were them. I'm all over the 33/1 on us to win the league. Even more so the 9-1 you can get on us to be promoted or the 9/2 to be top 6. Troy is a big miss but as others have said he's been no where to be seen yet. Stephens for me is the best defender we have and then also provides competition for places and flexibility in times of injury or suspension by virtue of Nathans flexibility. I am all for Coopers words Den. Frankly it's a flippin revelation to hear a manager of ours being calm collected and unbelievably positive. Don't think there is any danger of our lot getting carried away as they all clearly work so hard to improve and I think the manager effectively "calling" promotion is brilliant for all of them to hear. I also think the way he talked about Obika is interesting. I'm with everyone else on thinking he must be a risk but he has sure has hell has given him the vote of confidence. All in all brilliant transfer window and this team can storm this league with a fair wind. Get on the bets and get behind your team home and away. This is shaping up to be an epic season. COYR. Ps I'll get the sculpture to start chiseling Coop's and Power's figures out.... Come on! Pps Apologies to all the doom sayers. Your right it's way easier being one of them because as the odds suggest it's unlikely we'll do it. But I BELIEVE we can......[/p][/quote]Which bookie is offering the best odds old town robin
  • Score: 1

9:02pm Wed 3 Sep 14

Cleuso says...

Cooper now at 20/1 for Leeds job with sky bet... some difference than the 3/1 a day or so ago... panic over for now at least.
Cooper now at 20/1 for Leeds job with sky bet... some difference than the 3/1 a day or so ago... panic over for now at least. Cleuso
  • Score: 1

9:08pm Wed 3 Sep 14

umpcah says...

Cleuso wrote:
Cooper now at 20/1 for Leeds job with sky bet... some difference than the 3/1 a day or so ago... panic over for now at least.
Cooper for Leeds ? Just paper talk i.m.o.
[quote][p][bold]Cleuso[/bold] wrote: Cooper now at 20/1 for Leeds job with sky bet... some difference than the 3/1 a day or so ago... panic over for now at least.[/p][/quote]Cooper for Leeds ? Just paper talk i.m.o. umpcah
  • Score: 0

9:19pm Wed 3 Sep 14

why all the negativity says...

Swindonboy wrote:
I used to go home all the time and away regularly but since getting married and having a child I can no longer do so-I have to watch the pennies- I'd love to go every week but simply cant afford it- Doesnt stop me being a fan and I will pick and choise games when finances allow- I'm sure im not the only one in this situation- Perhaps this doesnt explain why the drop overall but there must be other people like me who are finding these times tough!!!
Agreed, I personally have moved because of work and get to the odd game when finances allow. Does that make me a fan or a follower!!!
[quote][p][bold]Swindonboy[/bold] wrote: I used to go home all the time and away regularly but since getting married and having a child I can no longer do so-I have to watch the pennies- I'd love to go every week but simply cant afford it- Doesnt stop me being a fan and I will pick and choise games when finances allow- I'm sure im not the only one in this situation- Perhaps this doesnt explain why the drop overall but there must be other people like me who are finding these times tough!!![/p][/quote]Agreed, I personally have moved because of work and get to the odd game when finances allow. Does that make me a fan or a follower!!! why all the negativity
  • Score: 2

9:27pm Wed 3 Sep 14

dreamofacleansheet2 says...

Old Town Skybet for 9/1 promotion and 9/2 top 6. Bet Victor a massive 40/1 to win the league. Dazza will obviously be joining us!

Wayne Alison couldn't agree more on difficult decision for Cooper in defence which is exactly the reason I think we are going up. Controversial but on current form in my eyes I'd drop Nathan. Cooper won't I think he'll drop Branco. (Assuming Josh isn't a runner). If not Nathan I'd drop Turnbull. Just my view but there you are.

Old Town/dazza if you fancy a bet Bradford will beat Yeovil this weekend which will make us a massive price weekend after next. I'd also back Switzerland against England as well!
Old Town Skybet for 9/1 promotion and 9/2 top 6. Bet Victor a massive 40/1 to win the league. Dazza will obviously be joining us! Wayne Alison couldn't agree more on difficult decision for Cooper in defence which is exactly the reason I think we are going up. Controversial but on current form in my eyes I'd drop Nathan. Cooper won't I think he'll drop Branco. (Assuming Josh isn't a runner). If not Nathan I'd drop Turnbull. Just my view but there you are. Old Town/dazza if you fancy a bet Bradford will beat Yeovil this weekend which will make us a massive price weekend after next. I'd also back Switzerland against England as well! dreamofacleansheet2
  • Score: 1

9:46pm Wed 3 Sep 14

smirg kcab says...

Lets get behind them and make some noise for the swindon boys
Lets get behind them and make some noise for the swindon boys smirg kcab
  • Score: 1

9:50pm Wed 3 Sep 14

Oxon-Red says...

Oi Den! wrote:
manc, the timescale is fixed. He talked about the squad and what it can achieve collectively. We already know that Louis Thompson will be gone at the end of the season. Barring some very strange quirks of fate, many of the others will not be with us next season either. In fact, Stephens - a probable lynchpin - could be gone within 5 months from now. Taking just Thompson out will leave a big hole, let alone Stephens.

The comment Cooper has made is exactly the sort of thing a manager should be saying to his players in the privacy of the dressing room. We seem to agree on that. I stick to my view that saying it in public is unwise. I think he might even agree, on reflection

As ever, even though we disagree, you make a reasonable case. Posts like Cleuso's do irritate me though. Why would I want to &quot;excite the doommongers of negativity" when I have been fully behind the manager from the start? Perhaps he thinks I want to be proved wrong about Cooper! There are posters on here, Cleuso probably being the most notable, who appear to think supporting the club means bowing and scraping at the feet of the manager and chairman and never expressing a word against them. Some of us can think for ourselves.

Good luck to Power, Cooper and the players. We could be in for a good season. Before the signing of Stephens, I thought we were heading for about 12th. We should do a bit better than that now.
Den,

I believe the comment Mark has made is exactly what he should be saying in public. I would be interested to know what you think he should have said.

Town are in the entertainment business and to survive they have to try to sell themselves. Perhaps he should have said "I expected us to finish about 12th but with these players on board I believe we could sneak into 6th".

As for exciting doomsters, perhaps harsh but it did excite Harley who has finally identified his replacement for the man he dislikes so much.

Gary McAllister a proven manager with bags of experience ?

You support the manager, no doubt about that but your posts always appear pessimistic as you consistantly appear to find a "but".

COYMR
[quote][p][bold]Oi Den![/bold] wrote: manc, the timescale is fixed. He talked about the squad and what it can achieve collectively. We already know that Louis Thompson will be gone at the end of the season. Barring some very strange quirks of fate, many of the others will not be with us next season either. In fact, Stephens - a probable lynchpin - could be gone within 5 months from now. Taking just Thompson out will leave a big hole, let alone Stephens. The comment Cooper has made is exactly the sort of thing a manager should be saying to his players in the privacy of the dressing room. We seem to agree on that. I stick to my view that saying it in public is unwise. I think he might even agree, on reflection As ever, even though we disagree, you make a reasonable case. Posts like Cleuso's do irritate me though. Why would I want to "excite the doommongers of negativity" when I have been fully behind the manager from the start? Perhaps he thinks I want to be proved wrong about Cooper! There are posters on here, Cleuso probably being the most notable, who appear to think supporting the club means bowing and scraping at the feet of the manager and chairman and never expressing a word against them. Some of us can think for ourselves. Good luck to Power, Cooper and the players. We could be in for a good season. Before the signing of Stephens, I thought we were heading for about 12th. We should do a bit better than that now.[/p][/quote]Den, I believe the comment Mark has made is exactly what he should be saying in public. I would be interested to know what you think he should have said. Town are in the entertainment business and to survive they have to try to sell themselves. Perhaps he should have said "I expected us to finish about 12th but with these players on board I believe we could sneak into 6th". As for exciting doomsters, perhaps harsh but it did excite Harley who has finally identified his replacement for the man he dislikes so much. Gary McAllister a proven manager with bags of experience ? You support the manager, no doubt about that but your posts always appear pessimistic as you consistantly appear to find a "but". COYMR Oxon-Red
  • Score: 1

10:01pm Wed 3 Sep 14

joey butler says...

Sorry Guys, I am unable to comment this evening.

I am still writing my 1000 lines..........

I MUST agree with everything South Stand says!!!!

And I am only on line 657 !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
!!!!!!!
Sorry Guys, I am unable to comment this evening. I am still writing my 1000 lines.......... I MUST agree with everything South Stand says!!!! And I am only on line 657 !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!! joey butler
  • Score: -1

10:35pm Wed 3 Sep 14

London Red says...

Wayne Allison Bromham wrote:
With the two new players, it will be interesting to see how Cooper integrates them into the team and who he leaves out, especially with the 3-5-2 that he now plays, it seems sensible to assume that Williams will make way for Obika. But with the 3 at the back who is going to make way? There is now Stephens Turnbull, Branco and Thompson vying for 3 spots. Seems to me that Cooper has a bit of a conundrum on his hands unless he changes the formation which has worked well so far.
Injuries permitting I fully expect our line up to be 352:
.
Foderingham
.
Stephens N.Thompson Turnbull
.
Byrne Kasim Luongo L.Thompson B.Smith
.
Obika M.Smith
.
Bench: Belford Branco Barthram Reeves Williams Barker Waldon
.
If need be system can easily become 4231 of last season with Obika or Smudge going off for Williams
.
Nathan goes to RB with Smith LB
.
Same middle 3 with Byrne right and Williams Left and either Obika or Smudge in the middle
[quote][p][bold]Wayne Allison Bromham[/bold] wrote: With the two new players, it will be interesting to see how Cooper integrates them into the team and who he leaves out, especially with the 3-5-2 that he now plays, it seems sensible to assume that Williams will make way for Obika. But with the 3 at the back who is going to make way? There is now Stephens Turnbull, Branco and Thompson vying for 3 spots. Seems to me that Cooper has a bit of a conundrum on his hands unless he changes the formation which has worked well so far.[/p][/quote]Injuries permitting I fully expect our line up to be 352: . Foderingham . Stephens N.Thompson Turnbull . Byrne Kasim Luongo L.Thompson B.Smith . Obika M.Smith . Bench: Belford Branco Barthram Reeves Williams Barker Waldon . If need be system can easily become 4231 of last season with Obika or Smudge going off for Williams . Nathan goes to RB with Smith LB . Same middle 3 with Byrne right and Williams Left and either Obika or Smudge in the middle London Red
  • Score: 3

10:51pm Wed 3 Sep 14

mancrobin says...

Oxon-Red wrote:
Oi Den! wrote:
manc, the timescale is fixed. He talked about the squad and what it can achieve collectively. We already know that Louis Thompson will be gone at the end of the season. Barring some very strange quirks of fate, many of the others will not be with us next season either. In fact, Stephens - a probable lynchpin - could be gone within 5 months from now. Taking just Thompson out will leave a big hole, let alone Stephens.

The comment Cooper has made is exactly the sort of thing a manager should be saying to his players in the privacy of the dressing room. We seem to agree on that. I stick to my view that saying it in public is unwise. I think he might even agree, on reflection

As ever, even though we disagree, you make a reasonable case. Posts like Cleuso's do irritate me though. Why would I want to &quot;excite the doommongers of negativity" when I have been fully behind the manager from the start? Perhaps he thinks I want to be proved wrong about Cooper! There are posters on here, Cleuso probably being the most notable, who appear to think supporting the club means bowing and scraping at the feet of the manager and chairman and never expressing a word against them. Some of us can think for ourselves.

Good luck to Power, Cooper and the players. We could be in for a good season. Before the signing of Stephens, I thought we were heading for about 12th. We should do a bit better than that now.
Den,

I believe the comment Mark has made is exactly what he should be saying in public. I would be interested to know what you think he should have said.

Town are in the entertainment business and to survive they have to try to sell themselves. Perhaps he should have said "I expected us to finish about 12th but with these players on board I believe we could sneak into 6th".

As for exciting doomsters, perhaps harsh but it did excite Harley who has finally identified his replacement for the man he dislikes so much.

Gary McAllister a proven manager with bags of experience ?

You support the manager, no doubt about that but your posts always appear pessimistic as you consistantly appear to find a "but".

COYMR
Den, Oxon, Wilsey, London Red, London Paolo and more, you all make good points. Let's be honest none of know where we will finish or whether it will all fall apart at the end of season.

My main point is you have to play the cards you are dealt. Power can argue he wasn't dealt a very good one and certainly Mark hasn't, a point he has barely been able to contain himself on on occasions. Both, however, have proved they can move things forward. Consistently.

And before anyone accuses me of being a happy clapping, cow tower, I stopped posting on here for a while when I just constantly got abuse for pointing out DiCanio's failings.

We've all got opinions and I for one enjoy reading them and Den is right, we should try to refrain from making them personal. But (most of us) are passionate Town fans (that's why I like Daz's posts although don't often agree) and it's human nature to want people to agree with us and be proved right. I'm certainly in that category.

One thing is for sure, I've looked at number of other club's blog sites and they are not in the same class as ours. Top 4 premiership we are and we should be blogging in Europe!
[quote][p][bold]Oxon-Red[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Oi Den![/bold] wrote: manc, the timescale is fixed. He talked about the squad and what it can achieve collectively. We already know that Louis Thompson will be gone at the end of the season. Barring some very strange quirks of fate, many of the others will not be with us next season either. In fact, Stephens - a probable lynchpin - could be gone within 5 months from now. Taking just Thompson out will leave a big hole, let alone Stephens. The comment Cooper has made is exactly the sort of thing a manager should be saying to his players in the privacy of the dressing room. We seem to agree on that. I stick to my view that saying it in public is unwise. I think he might even agree, on reflection As ever, even though we disagree, you make a reasonable case. Posts like Cleuso's do irritate me though. Why would I want to "excite the doommongers of negativity" when I have been fully behind the manager from the start? Perhaps he thinks I want to be proved wrong about Cooper! There are posters on here, Cleuso probably being the most notable, who appear to think supporting the club means bowing and scraping at the feet of the manager and chairman and never expressing a word against them. Some of us can think for ourselves. Good luck to Power, Cooper and the players. We could be in for a good season. Before the signing of Stephens, I thought we were heading for about 12th. We should do a bit better than that now.[/p][/quote]Den, I believe the comment Mark has made is exactly what he should be saying in public. I would be interested to know what you think he should have said. Town are in the entertainment business and to survive they have to try to sell themselves. Perhaps he should have said "I expected us to finish about 12th but with these players on board I believe we could sneak into 6th". As for exciting doomsters, perhaps harsh but it did excite Harley who has finally identified his replacement for the man he dislikes so much. Gary McAllister a proven manager with bags of experience ? You support the manager, no doubt about that but your posts always appear pessimistic as you consistantly appear to find a "but". COYMR[/p][/quote]Den, Oxon, Wilsey, London Red, London Paolo and more, you all make good points. Let's be honest none of know where we will finish or whether it will all fall apart at the end of season. My main point is you have to play the cards you are dealt. Power can argue he wasn't dealt a very good one and certainly Mark hasn't, a point he has barely been able to contain himself on on occasions. Both, however, have proved they can move things forward. Consistently. And before anyone accuses me of being a happy clapping, cow tower, I stopped posting on here for a while when I just constantly got abuse for pointing out DiCanio's failings. We've all got opinions and I for one enjoy reading them and Den is right, we should try to refrain from making them personal. But (most of us) are passionate Town fans (that's why I like Daz's posts although don't often agree) and it's human nature to want people to agree with us and be proved right. I'm certainly in that category. One thing is for sure, I've looked at number of other club's blog sites and they are not in the same class as ours. Top 4 premiership we are and we should be blogging in Europe! mancrobin
  • Score: 3

10:53pm Wed 3 Sep 14

Oi Den! says...

manc, I can't speak for Harley any more than I can speak for you. I simply thought it was unwise to say that the squad can achieve anything it wants. It's a tall order for the players to live up to and it puts unnecessary pressure on him. What does he say if it doesn't work out? "I didn't motivate them properly?" or will it be the players' fault for not wanting it?

I like Mark Cooper. He's done a fine job so far. Nowadays a lot of people count a lack of immediate success as the manager's failure. All I said was that he's making himself a hostage to fortune. I'm not having a go at his management skills, tactics or the players he's signed. I can't explain it any more than that. If you and others choose to see it as negative there's nothing I can do to change it.

As I said above, something like "I believe we now have a squad capable of challenging for promotion" would have been better than suggesting that everything is there for the taking as long as we want it.
manc, I can't speak for Harley any more than I can speak for you. I simply thought it was unwise to say that the squad can achieve anything it wants. It's a tall order for the players to live up to and it puts unnecessary pressure on him. What does he say if it doesn't work out? "I didn't motivate them properly?" or will it be the players' fault for not wanting it? I like Mark Cooper. He's done a fine job so far. Nowadays a lot of people count a lack of immediate success as the manager's failure. All I said was that he's making himself a hostage to fortune. I'm not having a go at his management skills, tactics or the players he's signed. I can't explain it any more than that. If you and others choose to see it as negative there's nothing I can do to change it. As I said above, something like "I believe we now have a squad capable of challenging for promotion" would have been better than suggesting that everything is there for the taking as long as we want it. Oi Den!
  • Score: 1

10:54pm Wed 3 Sep 14

old town robin says...

you gots ta be kidding me wrote:
It annoys me that only one oppinion is allowed on here, that oppinion has to be that he is a good manager doing a good job, well frankly I disagree with that, I accept that its not the easiest job in the world, in terms of finances, but it is a lot easier than other jobs with the full backing of the chairman and a get out excuse of a young team.

For me we could be so much better than we are if we had an experienced manager that could look at a game or an outcome and change accordingly.

I personaly feel that our football is mostly played in front of the opposition and we often look pretty without purpose, our 13 game streak without a win last year it was obvious what we were missing, when he finally changed it with Storey playing in behind the opposition we looked a different team completely and looked like a top 5 team..... We could all see it but he couldn't, I also find the keep the ball at whatever cost football we play dull, pretty but not exciting, thats all just oppinion.

I wasn't going to renew my ST's this year as I felt I needed to take a year off and just go to the odd game, but I thought I would bear with it and renew, I can't say that I am wholeheartedly glad I did.

I also do not like Cooper the person, whilst I can only base my oppinion on his interviews and articles he gives I find the man arrogant beyond belief and have stopped listening to his interview after the game as it winds me up, we seem to watch completely different games for a start.

I have followed Town home and away since 1982 and last year I stopped going to away games because it was no longer enjoyable to watch (Wolves aside that day was awesome) the Shrewsbury game has to be one of the worst games ever.

So I accept that people like him and I accept they have a view, but my oppinion is exactly that an oppinion, it is mine and no less valid than yours, I always want whats best for my club and I feel we could be doing better with someone else.

A couple of questions, Why have the attendances dropped, my own view is apathy and there are more Cooper dislikers than people realise.
When did you last hear the town end singing his name in full, it is always half hearted because there are many of us who dont join in.

I am not saying he is doing an awful job, but Williams IMO deserves a lot of the credit.

The team last year were unfit and this was never addressed, we look much better this year.

Only oppinion
Very good post with some interesting points of views. Personally I believe Cooper is doing OK, I don't slate him too often, neither do I sing his praises. Everyone has strengths and weaknesses, his strengths are mainly he has good coaching skills, he seems to be liked by the players and appreciated by the chairman which pretty well puts him in the comfort zone of knowing his job is safe whatever the view of the fans.

I don't think he is a top drawer manager by any means and probably IMHO it's what he does or doesn't do in the dugout that I find his biggest flaw, he's not a motivator, sometimes his tactics and timing of substitution are bizarre, (usually too late), and now he's started doing a Macdonald drinking bucket loads of water and throwing his bottles all over the place. lol.

I only attend home games and this season's brand of football does look good, albeit risky at times. If he is really going to change the opinion of those supporters like you and myself that are not totally convinced, then it's how he sets us up to win games and win away from home which will either see him added to the few managers that have won trophies or just another stop gap that may well keep his job until lee Power decides to sell up.

I hope we will see his name added to the role of honour of winning promotions achieved by the likes of Bert Head, Danny Williams, Lou Macari, Ossie Ardiles, Glenn Hoddle, Steve McMahon, Paul Sturrock and Paolo Di Canio
[quote][p][bold]you gots ta be kidding me[/bold] wrote: It annoys me that only one oppinion is allowed on here, that oppinion has to be that he is a good manager doing a good job, well frankly I disagree with that, I accept that its not the easiest job in the world, in terms of finances, but it is a lot easier than other jobs with the full backing of the chairman and a get out excuse of a young team. For me we could be so much better than we are if we had an experienced manager that could look at a game or an outcome and change accordingly. I personaly feel that our football is mostly played in front of the opposition and we often look pretty without purpose, our 13 game streak without a win last year it was obvious what we were missing, when he finally changed it with Storey playing in behind the opposition we looked a different team completely and looked like a top 5 team..... We could all see it but he couldn't, I also find the keep the ball at whatever cost football we play dull, pretty but not exciting, thats all just oppinion. I wasn't going to renew my ST's this year as I felt I needed to take a year off and just go to the odd game, but I thought I would bear with it and renew, I can't say that I am wholeheartedly glad I did. I also do not like Cooper the person, whilst I can only base my oppinion on his interviews and articles he gives I find the man arrogant beyond belief and have stopped listening to his interview after the game as it winds me up, we seem to watch completely different games for a start. I have followed Town home and away since 1982 and last year I stopped going to away games because it was no longer enjoyable to watch (Wolves aside that day was awesome) the Shrewsbury game has to be one of the worst games ever. So I accept that people like him and I accept they have a view, but my oppinion is exactly that an oppinion, it is mine and no less valid than yours, I always want whats best for my club and I feel we could be doing better with someone else. A couple of questions, Why have the attendances dropped, my own view is apathy and there are more Cooper dislikers than people realise. When did you last hear the town end singing his name in full, it is always half hearted because there are many of us who dont join in. I am not saying he is doing an awful job, but Williams IMO deserves a lot of the credit. The team last year were unfit and this was never addressed, we look much better this year. Only oppinion[/p][/quote]Very good post with some interesting points of views. Personally I believe Cooper is doing OK, I don't slate him too often, neither do I sing his praises. Everyone has strengths and weaknesses, his strengths are mainly he has good coaching skills, he seems to be liked by the players and appreciated by the chairman which pretty well puts him in the comfort zone of knowing his job is safe whatever the view of the fans. I don't think he is a top drawer manager by any means and probably IMHO it's what he does or doesn't do in the dugout that I find his biggest flaw, he's not a motivator, sometimes his tactics and timing of substitution are bizarre, (usually too late), and now he's started doing a Macdonald drinking bucket loads of water and throwing his bottles all over the place. lol. I only attend home games and this season's brand of football does look good, albeit risky at times. If he is really going to change the opinion of those supporters like you and myself that are not totally convinced, then it's how he sets us up to win games and win away from home which will either see him added to the few managers that have won trophies or just another stop gap that may well keep his job until lee Power decides to sell up. I hope we will see his name added to the role of honour of winning promotions achieved by the likes of Bert Head, Danny Williams, Lou Macari, Ossie Ardiles, Glenn Hoddle, Steve McMahon, Paul Sturrock and Paolo Di Canio old town robin
  • Score: 2

11:16pm Wed 3 Sep 14

South Stand says...

joey butler wrote:
Sorry Guys, I am unable to comment this evening.

I am still writing my 1000 lines..........

I MUST agree with everything South Stand says!!!!

And I am only on line 657 !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

!!!!!!!
OK WUM, I shall respond to you just this once. May I just remind you of a comment you made yesterday.

'Can we please start a fund to buy Mr. Power some new marbles, as he has totally lost his'

Oh by the way. those lines were given to you by myself and 58 others it seems.
[quote][p][bold]joey butler[/bold] wrote: Sorry Guys, I am unable to comment this evening. I am still writing my 1000 lines.......... I MUST agree with everything South Stand says!!!! And I am only on line 657 !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!![/p][/quote]OK WUM, I shall respond to you just this once. May I just remind you of a comment you made yesterday. 'Can we please start a fund to buy Mr. Power some new marbles, as he has totally lost his' Oh by the way. those lines were given to you by myself and 58 others it seems. South Stand
  • Score: 5

11:21pm Wed 3 Sep 14

old town robin says...

dreamofacleansheet2 wrote:
Old Town Skybet for 9/1 promotion and 9/2 top 6. Bet Victor a massive 40/1 to win the league. Dazza will obviously be joining us!

Wayne Alison couldn't agree more on difficult decision for Cooper in defence which is exactly the reason I think we are going up. Controversial but on current form in my eyes I'd drop Nathan. Cooper won't I think he'll drop Branco. (Assuming Josh isn't a runner). If not Nathan I'd drop Turnbull. Just my view but there you are.

Old Town/dazza if you fancy a bet Bradford will beat Yeovil this weekend which will make us a massive price weekend after next. I'd also back Switzerland against England as well!
Thanks for that dreamo, I'm not usually a betting man, but won £900 on the Di Canio promotion and should have won again the following season if things hadn't gone tits up after the new Year.

Agree with you on the Thommo v Branco preference, Cooper won't drop his captain when available.

Will follow up on your tips, but can't bring myself to bet against England, lol
[quote][p][bold]dreamofacleansheet2[/bold] wrote: Old Town Skybet for 9/1 promotion and 9/2 top 6. Bet Victor a massive 40/1 to win the league. Dazza will obviously be joining us! Wayne Alison couldn't agree more on difficult decision for Cooper in defence which is exactly the reason I think we are going up. Controversial but on current form in my eyes I'd drop Nathan. Cooper won't I think he'll drop Branco. (Assuming Josh isn't a runner). If not Nathan I'd drop Turnbull. Just my view but there you are. Old Town/dazza if you fancy a bet Bradford will beat Yeovil this weekend which will make us a massive price weekend after next. I'd also back Switzerland against England as well![/p][/quote]Thanks for that dreamo, I'm not usually a betting man, but won £900 on the Di Canio promotion and should have won again the following season if things hadn't gone tits up after the new Year. Agree with you on the Thommo v Branco preference, Cooper won't drop his captain when available. Will follow up on your tips, but can't bring myself to bet against England, lol old town robin
  • Score: 0

11:27pm Wed 3 Sep 14

old town robin says...

London Red wrote:
Wayne Allison Bromham wrote:
With the two new players, it will be interesting to see how Cooper integrates them into the team and who he leaves out, especially with the 3-5-2 that he now plays, it seems sensible to assume that Williams will make way for Obika. But with the 3 at the back who is going to make way? There is now Stephens Turnbull, Branco and Thompson vying for 3 spots. Seems to me that Cooper has a bit of a conundrum on his hands unless he changes the formation which has worked well so far.
Injuries permitting I fully expect our line up to be 352:
.
Foderingham
.
Stephens N.Thompson Turnbull
.
Byrne Kasim Luongo L.Thompson B.Smith
.
Obika M.Smith
.
Bench: Belford Branco Barthram Reeves Williams Barker Waldon
.
If need be system can easily become 4231 of last season with Obika or Smudge going off for Williams
.
Nathan goes to RB with Smith LB
.
Same middle 3 with Byrne right and Williams Left and either Obika or Smudge in the middle
Think you'll be very close with that line up LR. Good to have a strong bench, let's hope Cooper uses them if needed to change things.
[quote][p][bold]London Red[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Wayne Allison Bromham[/bold] wrote: With the two new players, it will be interesting to see how Cooper integrates them into the team and who he leaves out, especially with the 3-5-2 that he now plays, it seems sensible to assume that Williams will make way for Obika. But with the 3 at the back who is going to make way? There is now Stephens Turnbull, Branco and Thompson vying for 3 spots. Seems to me that Cooper has a bit of a conundrum on his hands unless he changes the formation which has worked well so far.[/p][/quote]Injuries permitting I fully expect our line up to be 352: . Foderingham . Stephens N.Thompson Turnbull . Byrne Kasim Luongo L.Thompson B.Smith . Obika M.Smith . Bench: Belford Branco Barthram Reeves Williams Barker Waldon . If need be system can easily become 4231 of last season with Obika or Smudge going off for Williams . Nathan goes to RB with Smith LB . Same middle 3 with Byrne right and Williams Left and either Obika or Smudge in the middle[/p][/quote]Think you'll be very close with that line up LR. Good to have a strong bench, let's hope Cooper uses them if needed to change things. old town robin
  • Score: 1

11:27pm Wed 3 Sep 14

old town robin says...

London Red wrote:
Wayne Allison Bromham wrote:
With the two new players, it will be interesting to see how Cooper integrates them into the team and who he leaves out, especially with the 3-5-2 that he now plays, it seems sensible to assume that Williams will make way for Obika. But with the 3 at the back who is going to make way? There is now Stephens Turnbull, Branco and Thompson vying for 3 spots. Seems to me that Cooper has a bit of a conundrum on his hands unless he changes the formation which has worked well so far.
Injuries permitting I fully expect our line up to be 352:
.
Foderingham
.
Stephens N.Thompson Turnbull
.
Byrne Kasim Luongo L.Thompson B.Smith
.
Obika M.Smith
.
Bench: Belford Branco Barthram Reeves Williams Barker Waldon
.
If need be system can easily become 4231 of last season with Obika or Smudge going off for Williams
.
Nathan goes to RB with Smith LB
.
Same middle 3 with Byrne right and Williams Left and either Obika or Smudge in the middle
Think you'll be very close with that line up LR. Good to have a strong bench, let's hope Cooper uses them if needed to change things.
[quote][p][bold]London Red[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Wayne Allison Bromham[/bold] wrote: With the two new players, it will be interesting to see how Cooper integrates them into the team and who he leaves out, especially with the 3-5-2 that he now plays, it seems sensible to assume that Williams will make way for Obika. But with the 3 at the back who is going to make way? There is now Stephens Turnbull, Branco and Thompson vying for 3 spots. Seems to me that Cooper has a bit of a conundrum on his hands unless he changes the formation which has worked well so far.[/p][/quote]Injuries permitting I fully expect our line up to be 352: . Foderingham . Stephens N.Thompson Turnbull . Byrne Kasim Luongo L.Thompson B.Smith . Obika M.Smith . Bench: Belford Branco Barthram Reeves Williams Barker Waldon . If need be system can easily become 4231 of last season with Obika or Smudge going off for Williams . Nathan goes to RB with Smith LB . Same middle 3 with Byrne right and Williams Left and either Obika or Smudge in the middle[/p][/quote]Think you'll be very close with that line up LR. Good to have a strong bench, let's hope Cooper uses them if needed to change things. old town robin
  • Score: 0

2:29am Thu 4 Sep 14

smirg kcab says...

Hurricane norbert arriving tomorrow
Who cares my flip flops has been blown off,
Only boxers left
The futures cooper
Make some noise for the swindon boys
Hurricane norbert arriving tomorrow Who cares my flip flops has been blown off, Only boxers left The futures cooper Make some noise for the swindon boys smirg kcab
  • Score: -1

12:51pm Thu 4 Sep 14

Oi Den! says...

Oi Den! wrote:
manc, I can't speak for Harley any more than I can speak for you. I simply thought it was unwise to say that the squad can achieve anything it wants. It's a tall order for the players to live up to and it puts unnecessary pressure on him. What does he say if it doesn't work out? &quot;I didn't motivate them properly?" or will it be the players' fault for not wanting it?

I like Mark Cooper. He's done a fine job so far. Nowadays a lot of people count a lack of immediate success as the manager's failure. All I said was that he's making himself a hostage to fortune. I'm not having a go at his management skills, tactics or the players he's signed. I can't explain it any more than that. If you and others choose to see it as negative there's nothing I can do to change it.

As I said above, something like "I believe we now have a squad capable of challenging for promotion" would have been better than suggesting that everything is there for the taking as long as we want it.
Oxon & manc, I just noticed that I mixed you two up in the post above. Meant to address it to Oxon. Apologies.
[quote][p][bold]Oi Den![/bold] wrote: manc, I can't speak for Harley any more than I can speak for you. I simply thought it was unwise to say that the squad can achieve anything it wants. It's a tall order for the players to live up to and it puts unnecessary pressure on him. What does he say if it doesn't work out? "I didn't motivate them properly?" or will it be the players' fault for not wanting it? I like Mark Cooper. He's done a fine job so far. Nowadays a lot of people count a lack of immediate success as the manager's failure. All I said was that he's making himself a hostage to fortune. I'm not having a go at his management skills, tactics or the players he's signed. I can't explain it any more than that. If you and others choose to see it as negative there's nothing I can do to change it. As I said above, something like "I believe we now have a squad capable of challenging for promotion" would have been better than suggesting that everything is there for the taking as long as we want it.[/p][/quote]Oxon & manc, I just noticed that I mixed you two up in the post above. Meant to address it to Oxon. Apologies. Oi Den!
  • Score: 0

3:07pm Thu 4 Sep 14

Bassett Hound says...

smirg kcab wrote:
Hurricane norbert arriving tomorrow
Who cares my flip flops has been blown off,
Only boxers left
The futures cooper
Make some noise for the swindon boys
Sorry Smirg,meant to give you a thumbs up but thumb to big !
[quote][p][bold]smirg kcab[/bold] wrote: Hurricane norbert arriving tomorrow Who cares my flip flops has been blown off, Only boxers left The futures cooper Make some noise for the swindon boys[/p][/quote]Sorry Smirg,meant to give you a thumbs up but thumb to big ! Bassett Hound
  • Score: 0

7:27pm Thu 4 Sep 14

joey butler says...

South Stand wrote:
joey butler wrote:
Sorry Guys, I am unable to comment this evening.

I am still writing my 1000 lines..........

I MUST agree with everything South Stand says!!!!

And I am only on line 657 !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


!!!!!!!
OK WUM, I shall respond to you just this once. May I just remind you of a comment you made yesterday.

'Can we please start a fund to buy Mr. Power some new marbles, as he has totally lost his'

Oh by the way. those lines were given to you by myself and 58 others it seems.
OK South Stand,

You having said on here that I have nothing to do with Swindon Town, can you please explain why I was at the League Cup Final in March 1969 and most matches since?

Thought not!!

They don't like it up em, Captain Mainwaring!!!!
[quote][p][bold]South Stand[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]joey butler[/bold] wrote: Sorry Guys, I am unable to comment this evening. I am still writing my 1000 lines.......... I MUST agree with everything South Stand says!!!! And I am only on line 657 !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!![/p][/quote]OK WUM, I shall respond to you just this once. May I just remind you of a comment you made yesterday. 'Can we please start a fund to buy Mr. Power some new marbles, as he has totally lost his' Oh by the way. those lines were given to you by myself and 58 others it seems.[/p][/quote]OK South Stand, You having said on here that I have nothing to do with Swindon Town, can you please explain why I was at the League Cup Final in March 1969 and most matches since? Thought not!! They don't like it up em, Captain Mainwaring!!!! joey butler
  • Score: -11
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