Don’t read too much into opening-day results, says Cooper

Mark Cooper

Mark Cooper

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SWINDON Town manager Mark Cooper has suggested it would be wise not to read too much into the result of tomorrow’s League One opener against Scunthorpe United, regardless of the outcome.

Town kick off the new season against newly-promoted Iron, who have splashed the cash over the summer to assemble a squad bristling with Football League know-how.

Manager Russ Wilcox has the likes of Deon Burton, Miguel Llera, Gary McSheffrey, Jennison Myrie-Williams and Paddy Madden at his disposal, and Scunny look set to challenge for a play-off place in 2014/15, but Cooper stressed that anything can happen on the first afternoon of a League One term.

“The first game of the season throws up some freak scorelines, it throws up freak results. It’s difficult to read too much into the first game of the season. We see it every year up and down the leagues,” he said. “They are a very experienced team - they’ve just signed Miguel Llera, who’s had a great career in England, they’ve got Deon Burton, Neale Bishop - people who have played up and down the leagues. They’re going down that route, that’s right for them and I’m sure throughout the season they’ll get some very positive results.

“We’ve just got to try to put our stamp on the way we play the game and hope we’re a real test for Scunthorpe.”

Cooper believes Scunthorpe may try to intimidate his young team in the early moments of this weekend’s game but he has backed his players to be tough enough to deal with such tactics.

“We try to start fast, get hold of the ball and not give it back to them but they’ll have something to say about that themselves. I’m sure their manager will be saying ‘they’re a really young team, let’s get after them and intimidate them’. I’m confident that my lads will stand up to that,” he said. “Scunthorpe have had a lot of success playing 4-4-2, most of pre-season they’ve been playing 4-4-2 and last week at half-time against Leicester they switched to a 4-3-3 and scored three goals. I’m not sure whether they’ll play 4-4-2 or 4-3-3; whatever system they choose they’ve got players that can hurt you.

“Deon Burton, they’ve signed Lyle Taylor from Sheffield United and they’ve got firepower, but we’re at home and we’re fully aware of their threats. We’ll try initially to concentrate on us.”

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5:56am Fri 8 Aug 14

port de soller says...

Wow what a negative remark,"don¨t read to much into Sat result"
He should have come out with something positive.
Still is our beloved STFC is what we have come to expect.
As for JT a good signing.Concerns into rumours yet again 20k for Police not paid/2 million black hole as said befor am amazed where fans get this info from
One guy said I¨m an insider all my info is correct if so give his name sure LP would love to sue his ****.
as for getting these Youth Players in would think there clubs have looked at STFC and results other clubs have had when loaning players to us.
So as to all this B/S scare mongering so called fans with inside info,just shut up and if you have so called info that is Kosher get it published in there own name with proof of these allegations.
OK we all moan aabout MC,lack of Funds etc,Players but this is downright crap(I think it¨s an Oxford Supporter)
Wow glad I got taht off my chest) SO MC no we want a result Sat and yes we will all be looking for a result so new look Town "HEADS UP" go for it and good luck and Fans let´s get rid of these so called Posters who Know it All
Wow what a negative remark,"don¨t read to much into Sat result" He should have come out with something positive. Still is our beloved STFC is what we have come to expect. As for JT a good signing.Concerns into rumours yet again 20k for Police not paid/2 million black hole as said befor am amazed where fans get this info from One guy said I¨m an insider all my info is correct if so give his name sure LP would love to sue his ****. as for getting these Youth Players in would think there clubs have looked at STFC and results other clubs have had when loaning players to us. So as to all this B/S scare mongering so called fans with inside info,just shut up and if you have so called info that is Kosher get it published in there own name with proof of these allegations. OK we all moan aabout MC,lack of Funds etc,Players but this is downright crap(I think it¨s an Oxford Supporter) Wow glad I got taht off my chest) SO MC no we want a result Sat and yes we will all be looking for a result so new look Town "HEADS UP" go for it and good luck and Fans let´s get rid of these so called Posters who Know it All port de soller
  • Score: 5

6:26am Fri 8 Aug 14

dazzastfc says...

So what your trying to say then Mark is they have plenty of experienced players..
So what your trying to say then Mark is they have plenty of experienced players.. dazzastfc
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7:29am Fri 8 Aug 14

Oldhamred says...

I may well be wrong but I suspect any 'sticking points' the loan deals for Jordan Turnbull and Jack Stephens may have had will have been sufficiently oiled by Saints signing Tyreke Johnson yesterday.

Would be very happy with a top half finish, but have a feeling Mark Cooper and his young team are going to surprise us all this season.

Looking forward to tomorrow, just not the journey down!!
I may well be wrong but I suspect any 'sticking points' the loan deals for Jordan Turnbull and Jack Stephens may have had will have been sufficiently oiled by Saints signing Tyreke Johnson yesterday. Would be very happy with a top half finish, but have a feeling Mark Cooper and his young team are going to surprise us all this season. Looking forward to tomorrow, just not the journey down!! Oldhamred
  • Score: 11

7:34am Fri 8 Aug 14

The Jockster says...

Well if that isn't a tip for Town fans to wang some wonga on Scunny for an away win I don't know what is.
What I do know is that positive spin it ain't-almost as if Cooperman is half expecting a stuffing before we start!
Well if that isn't a tip for Town fans to wang some wonga on Scunny for an away win I don't know what is. What I do know is that positive spin it ain't-almost as if Cooperman is half expecting a stuffing before we start! The Jockster
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7:42am Fri 8 Aug 14

umpcah says...

The Jockster wrote:
Well if that isn't a tip for Town fans to wang some wonga on Scunny for an away win I don't know what is.
What I do know is that positive spin it ain't-almost as if Cooperman is half expecting a stuffing before we start!
I feel that Coops just doesn`t know what to expect ! Neither do I !
[quote][p][bold]The Jockster[/bold] wrote: Well if that isn't a tip for Town fans to wang some wonga on Scunny for an away win I don't know what is. What I do know is that positive spin it ain't-almost as if Cooperman is half expecting a stuffing before we start![/p][/quote]I feel that Coops just doesn`t know what to expect ! Neither do I ! umpcah
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7:46am Fri 8 Aug 14

Chish and Fips says...

umpcah wrote:
The Jockster wrote:
Well if that isn't a tip for Town fans to wang some wonga on Scunny for an away win I don't know what is.
What I do know is that positive spin it ain't-almost as if Cooperman is half expecting a stuffing before we start!
I feel that Coops just doesn`t know what to expect ! Neither do I !
You hit the nail on the head Umpcah ....
[quote][p][bold]umpcah[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The Jockster[/bold] wrote: Well if that isn't a tip for Town fans to wang some wonga on Scunny for an away win I don't know what is. What I do know is that positive spin it ain't-almost as if Cooperman is half expecting a stuffing before we start![/p][/quote]I feel that Coops just doesn`t know what to expect ! Neither do I ![/p][/quote]You hit the nail on the head Umpcah .... Chish and Fips
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7:50am Fri 8 Aug 14

old town robin says...

The Jockster wrote:
Well if that isn't a tip for Town fans to wang some wonga on Scunny for an away win I don't know what is.
What I do know is that positive spin it ain't-almost as if Cooperman is half expecting a stuffing before we start!
Quite the opposite Jock, could be Cooper playing mind games to give the impression we are the inexperienced under dogs or maybe he's just getting his excuses in early.

No mention of a prediction article to be run, but this opener has draw written all over it, As with all fans I would prefer a win, but a distinct lack of goal threat up front makes me wonder where the goals are going to come from this season. Lets hope our defence is a lot tighter and keep the goals against respectable.
[quote][p][bold]The Jockster[/bold] wrote: Well if that isn't a tip for Town fans to wang some wonga on Scunny for an away win I don't know what is. What I do know is that positive spin it ain't-almost as if Cooperman is half expecting a stuffing before we start![/p][/quote]Quite the opposite Jock, could be Cooper playing mind games to give the impression we are the inexperienced under dogs or maybe he's just getting his excuses in early. No mention of a prediction article to be run, but this opener has draw written all over it, As with all fans I would prefer a win, but a distinct lack of goal threat up front makes me wonder where the goals are going to come from this season. Lets hope our defence is a lot tighter and keep the goals against respectable. old town robin
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7:54am Fri 8 Aug 14

North _Swindon_Red says...

Well Kasim was saying earlier in the week in the adver that he is struggling to understand the new style of play.. So perhaps thats why Coopers seems somewhat negative.
Well Kasim was saying earlier in the week in the adver that he is struggling to understand the new style of play.. So perhaps thats why Coopers seems somewhat negative. North _Swindon_Red
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8:08am Fri 8 Aug 14

London Red says...

old town robin wrote:
The Jockster wrote:
Well if that isn't a tip for Town fans to wang some wonga on Scunny for an away win I don't know what is.
What I do know is that positive spin it ain't-almost as if Cooperman is half expecting a stuffing before we start!
Quite the opposite Jock, could be Cooper playing mind games to give the impression we are the inexperienced under dogs or maybe he's just getting his excuses in early.

No mention of a prediction article to be run, but this opener has draw written all over it, As with all fans I would prefer a win, but a distinct lack of goal threat up front makes me wonder where the goals are going to come from this season. Lets hope our defence is a lot tighter and keep the goals against respectable.
It's what I said weeks ago - don't judge on one game!
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We lost 5-0 to Gills in 09/10 - that year we should have gone up automatically and ended up in the PO final
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Under PdC we won 3-0 yet then didn't win for 6 and people were calling for him to be sacked - we then went on to win the league
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Cooper never said we would lose - he said don't read anything into the result
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A defeat does not mean relegation and a win does not mean promotion
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October will start to show us how the league is shaping up not 10 Aug!
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Even then it still won't as Sheff U were bottom 4 but ended up 7th!
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Bournemouth the year before too were bottom 4 at that time and went up automatically!
[quote][p][bold]old town robin[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The Jockster[/bold] wrote: Well if that isn't a tip for Town fans to wang some wonga on Scunny for an away win I don't know what is. What I do know is that positive spin it ain't-almost as if Cooperman is half expecting a stuffing before we start![/p][/quote]Quite the opposite Jock, could be Cooper playing mind games to give the impression we are the inexperienced under dogs or maybe he's just getting his excuses in early. No mention of a prediction article to be run, but this opener has draw written all over it, As with all fans I would prefer a win, but a distinct lack of goal threat up front makes me wonder where the goals are going to come from this season. Lets hope our defence is a lot tighter and keep the goals against respectable.[/p][/quote]It's what I said weeks ago - don't judge on one game! . We lost 5-0 to Gills in 09/10 - that year we should have gone up automatically and ended up in the PO final . Under PdC we won 3-0 yet then didn't win for 6 and people were calling for him to be sacked - we then went on to win the league . Cooper never said we would lose - he said don't read anything into the result . A defeat does not mean relegation and a win does not mean promotion . October will start to show us how the league is shaping up not 10 Aug! . Even then it still won't as Sheff U were bottom 4 but ended up 7th! . Bournemouth the year before too were bottom 4 at that time and went up automatically! London Red
  • Score: 6

8:09am Fri 8 Aug 14

The Jockster says...

old town robin wrote:
The Jockster wrote:
Well if that isn't a tip for Town fans to wang some wonga on Scunny for an away win I don't know what is.
What I do know is that positive spin it ain't-almost as if Cooperman is half expecting a stuffing before we start!
Quite the opposite Jock, could be Cooper playing mind games to give the impression we are the inexperienced under dogs or maybe he's just getting his excuses in early.

No mention of a prediction article to be run, but this opener has draw written all over it, As with all fans I would prefer a win, but a distinct lack of goal threat up front makes me wonder where the goals are going to come from this season. Lets hope our defence is a lot tighter and keep the goals against respectable.
OTR-he's getting his excuses in early!!
[quote][p][bold]old town robin[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The Jockster[/bold] wrote: Well if that isn't a tip for Town fans to wang some wonga on Scunny for an away win I don't know what is. What I do know is that positive spin it ain't-almost as if Cooperman is half expecting a stuffing before we start![/p][/quote]Quite the opposite Jock, could be Cooper playing mind games to give the impression we are the inexperienced under dogs or maybe he's just getting his excuses in early. No mention of a prediction article to be run, but this opener has draw written all over it, As with all fans I would prefer a win, but a distinct lack of goal threat up front makes me wonder where the goals are going to come from this season. Lets hope our defence is a lot tighter and keep the goals against respectable.[/p][/quote]OTR-he's getting his excuses in early!! The Jockster
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8:10am Fri 8 Aug 14

Lazaat says...

Oldhamred wrote:
I may well be wrong but I suspect any 'sticking points' the loan deals for Jordan Turnbull and Jack Stephens may have had will have been sufficiently oiled by Saints signing Tyreke Johnson yesterday.

Would be very happy with a top half finish, but have a feeling Mark Cooper and his young team are going to surprise us all this season.

Looking forward to tomorrow, just not the journey down!!
Hi Oldham Red, fair play to you as that is quite a journey for you 👍

Do you travel there and back on same day and how many in your car? I live reasonably close to you so maybe we could occasionally travel together and share costs? Just a thought.

MC sounds a bit negative about tomorrows outcome but hopefully we will start the season with 3 points.
[quote][p][bold]Oldhamred[/bold] wrote: I may well be wrong but I suspect any 'sticking points' the loan deals for Jordan Turnbull and Jack Stephens may have had will have been sufficiently oiled by Saints signing Tyreke Johnson yesterday. Would be very happy with a top half finish, but have a feeling Mark Cooper and his young team are going to surprise us all this season. Looking forward to tomorrow, just not the journey down!![/p][/quote]Hi Oldham Red, fair play to you as that is quite a journey for you 👍 Do you travel there and back on same day and how many in your car? I live reasonably close to you so maybe we could occasionally travel together and share costs? Just a thought. MC sounds a bit negative about tomorrows outcome but hopefully we will start the season with 3 points. Lazaat
  • Score: 1

8:18am Fri 8 Aug 14

Since 1950 says...

Amazing how other teams can afford to splash the cash on experienced players while we have to be content with being the 'foster parents' of the football league!
More positive vibes from our manager yet again.
Amazing how other teams can afford to splash the cash on experienced players while we have to be content with being the 'foster parents' of the football league! More positive vibes from our manager yet again. Since 1950
  • Score: -6

8:27am Fri 8 Aug 14

umpcah says...

How can you be amazed after all that has been posted on that subject ? The reality is that STFC just doesn`t have the money available to splash the cash and is coping quite well without it i.m.o.
How can you be amazed after all that has been posted on that subject ? The reality is that STFC just doesn`t have the money available to splash the cash and is coping quite well without it i.m.o. umpcah
  • Score: 8

8:38am Fri 8 Aug 14

Since 1950 says...

umpcah wrote:
How can you be amazed after all that has been posted on that subject ? The reality is that STFC just doesn`t have the money available to splash the cash and is coping quite well without it i.m.o.
Amazed at why really umpcah, and we'll see how well we do on it this season.
[quote][p][bold]umpcah[/bold] wrote: How can you be amazed after all that has been posted on that subject ? The reality is that STFC just doesn`t have the money available to splash the cash and is coping quite well without it i.m.o.[/p][/quote]Amazed at why really umpcah, and we'll see how well we do on it this season. Since 1950
  • Score: -9

8:47am Fri 8 Aug 14

Is that you Lovesey says...

Mr Motivator Cooper is off again.....
Mr Motivator Cooper is off again..... Is that you Lovesey
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8:54am Fri 8 Aug 14

London Red says...

Do people on here think that the like sof Wes and Mass et al are all here on work experience earning minimum wage or something?
.
These players while not on mega bucks for footballers will still be earning a hefty whack and in order for us to keep these players we have to build the rest of the squad with unyoung untired players who will cost less
.
Wes et al are our experienced players and I would rather have him, Mass, Byrne and the Thompsons than any journeyman as he happens to be experienced
.
Granted Roberts, Miller and Navarro did an excellent job for us - so we should probablt bankrypt the club in order to repeat their sucess!
Do people on here think that the like sof Wes and Mass et al are all here on work experience earning minimum wage or something? . These players while not on mega bucks for footballers will still be earning a hefty whack and in order for us to keep these players we have to build the rest of the squad with unyoung untired players who will cost less . Wes et al are our experienced players and I would rather have him, Mass, Byrne and the Thompsons than any journeyman as he happens to be experienced . Granted Roberts, Miller and Navarro did an excellent job for us - so we should probablt bankrypt the club in order to repeat their sucess! London Red
  • Score: 3

8:57am Fri 8 Aug 14

ciclosporindorset says...

If the club were in such trouble, why did they not cash in on Luongo and Thompson? Looking forward to getting my Bath Chair motorised for the trip up tomorrow with carer in tow, hoping she gonna put on her special red n white under kit for the occasion.
If the club were in such trouble, why did they not cash in on Luongo and Thompson? Looking forward to getting my Bath Chair motorised for the trip up tomorrow with carer in tow, hoping she gonna put on her special red n white under kit for the occasion. ciclosporindorset
  • Score: 0

9:03am Fri 8 Aug 14

the don69 says...

Chish and Fips wrote:
umpcah wrote:
The Jockster wrote:
Well if that isn't a tip for Town fans to wang some wonga on Scunny for an away win I don't know what is.
What I do know is that positive spin it ain't-almost as if Cooperman is half expecting a stuffing before we start!
I feel that Coops just doesn`t know what to expect ! Neither do I !
You hit the nail on the head Umpcah ....
Well chaps if football was played on paper, Scunny would thrash us on Saturday cause their squad looks far superior to ours, I think Coops can see that and ain't feeling too confident! most of our fans I've spoken to, are very concerned about the coming season with a lot thinking it could be a fight to stay up!!!!!!!!!!!
[quote][p][bold]Chish and Fips[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]umpcah[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The Jockster[/bold] wrote: Well if that isn't a tip for Town fans to wang some wonga on Scunny for an away win I don't know what is. What I do know is that positive spin it ain't-almost as if Cooperman is half expecting a stuffing before we start![/p][/quote]I feel that Coops just doesn`t know what to expect ! Neither do I ![/p][/quote]You hit the nail on the head Umpcah ....[/p][/quote]Well chaps if football was played on paper, Scunny would thrash us on Saturday cause their squad looks far superior to ours, I think Coops can see that and ain't feeling too confident! most of our fans I've spoken to, are very concerned about the coming season with a lot thinking it could be a fight to stay up!!!!!!!!!!! the don69
  • Score: 2

9:13am Fri 8 Aug 14

redbythesea says...

Since 1950 wrote:
Amazing how other teams can afford to splash the cash on experienced players while we have to be content with being the 'foster parents' of the football league!
More positive vibes from our manager yet again.
Or alternatively, we are building a young dynamic side, incorporating some of the best talent the premiership clubs have to offer, rather than buying journeymen who are only in it for the money...............
.. No, that's way too positive for this forum.
[quote][p][bold]Since 1950[/bold] wrote: Amazing how other teams can afford to splash the cash on experienced players while we have to be content with being the 'foster parents' of the football league! More positive vibes from our manager yet again.[/p][/quote]Or alternatively, we are building a young dynamic side, incorporating some of the best talent the premiership clubs have to offer, rather than buying journeymen who are only in it for the money............... .. No, that's way too positive for this forum. redbythesea
  • Score: 16

9:14am Fri 8 Aug 14

lifelong red says...

Good job the games not on Sunday - hurricane forecast.
Good job the games not on Sunday - hurricane forecast. lifelong red
  • Score: -3

9:21am Fri 8 Aug 14

harley red says...

Going down I think
Going down I think harley red
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9:24am Fri 8 Aug 14

South Stand says...

London Red wrote:
Do people on here think that the like sof Wes and Mass et al are all here on work experience earning minimum wage or something?
.
These players while not on mega bucks for footballers will still be earning a hefty whack and in order for us to keep these players we have to build the rest of the squad with unyoung untired players who will cost less
.
Wes et al are our experienced players and I would rather have him, Mass, Byrne and the Thompsons than any journeyman as he happens to be experienced
.
Granted Roberts, Miller and Navarro did an excellent job for us - so we should probablt bankrypt the club in order to repeat their sucess!
Yes LR....let's hope they all remain 'untired', for the whole season. Teehee couldn't resist it sorry.
[quote][p][bold]London Red[/bold] wrote: Do people on here think that the like sof Wes and Mass et al are all here on work experience earning minimum wage or something? . These players while not on mega bucks for footballers will still be earning a hefty whack and in order for us to keep these players we have to build the rest of the squad with unyoung untired players who will cost less . Wes et al are our experienced players and I would rather have him, Mass, Byrne and the Thompsons than any journeyman as he happens to be experienced . Granted Roberts, Miller and Navarro did an excellent job for us - so we should probablt bankrypt the club in order to repeat their sucess![/p][/quote]Yes LR....let's hope they all remain 'untired', for the whole season. Teehee couldn't resist it sorry. South Stand
  • Score: 4

9:46am Fri 8 Aug 14

mancrobin says...

I've always thought that it is not worth looking at a league table until 6 games have gone by and it takes at least 10 to get a real feel for how you are going to do. (Having said that, if we win 6-0 tomorrow, I will look at the table to savour our top of the league position on goal difference!).

I have to admit, I really like the fact that few seem to be giving the team any chance. If I was a player, it would be a great motivation to prove such negativity wrong. All these so called 'realists' out there who when it comes to managing expectation and balancing the books throw reality right out of the window.

If so many expect the Town to struggle and go down, then anything else will be a bonus. Therefore, the worst result for Cooper tomorrow would be a win, as the threads on here will be thick with those claiming we will 10 points clear by Xmas.
I've always thought that it is not worth looking at a league table until 6 games have gone by and it takes at least 10 to get a real feel for how you are going to do. (Having said that, if we win 6-0 tomorrow, I will look at the table to savour our top of the league position on goal difference!). I have to admit, I really like the fact that few seem to be giving the team any chance. If I was a player, it would be a great motivation to prove such negativity wrong. All these so called 'realists' out there who when it comes to managing expectation and balancing the books throw reality right out of the window. If so many expect the Town to struggle and go down, then anything else will be a bonus. Therefore, the worst result for Cooper tomorrow would be a win, as the threads on here will be thick with those claiming we will 10 points clear by Xmas. mancrobin
  • Score: 3

10:02am Fri 8 Aug 14

Since 1950 says...

redbythesea wrote:
Since 1950 wrote:
Amazing how other teams can afford to splash the cash on experienced players while we have to be content with being the 'foster parents' of the football league!
More positive vibes from our manager yet again.
Or alternatively, we are building a young dynamic side, incorporating some of the best talent the premiership clubs have to offer, rather than buying journeymen who are only in it for the money...............

.. No, that's way too positive for this forum.
Please note: this comment will be followed by around 70 'thumbs ups' as someone has found out he can continually vote for himself by using a mobile phone!
[quote][p][bold]redbythesea[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Since 1950[/bold] wrote: Amazing how other teams can afford to splash the cash on experienced players while we have to be content with being the 'foster parents' of the football league! More positive vibes from our manager yet again.[/p][/quote]Or alternatively, we are building a young dynamic side, incorporating some of the best talent the premiership clubs have to offer, rather than buying journeymen who are only in it for the money............... .. No, that's way too positive for this forum.[/p][/quote]Please note: this comment will be followed by around 70 'thumbs ups' as someone has found out he can continually vote for himself by using a mobile phone! Since 1950
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10:02am Fri 8 Aug 14

london paolo says...

For some reason, the piece of news I felt saddest about was that Southampton had signed one of our youth team starlets, Tyreke Johnson. No mention of any fee. Or is it to be traded away to borrow one of their players for a few months?

Of course, Southampton's academy enjoys a fantastic reputation, and you cannot really stand in the way of opportunity for a young player. But it's a sad reminder of where we stand and the lack of clout we have. It's not just that we are losing another young prospect, but seemingly it doesn't even lead to us clinching a loan player in return, particularly Stephens. Although that might happen today, I would have liked to see the two linked and announced together. Even then, we're losing one of our prospects and in return, we might be able to help develop another of Southampton's prospects for them.

As we don't have a benefactor supporter with money to pump into the club as his or her hobby, we have to look at how else we can grow, add value and boost revenue. To me that means developing youth team and academy players and bringing them through; having an excellent scouting system to spot and sign the next Charlie Austin (or Simon Cox); or the first team coaches turning average players into good ones and good ones into better ones.

Not sure how long we can hang onto youth team prospects or when is the best time to sell them. At 16, for next to nothing? At 18 when they might have been on the fringes of the first team squad? At 20, when they are playing in the first team? Keeping them longer costs money of course. Hope we have a sell-on fee but even then that might amount to nothing. Didn't we get £250,000 for Alex Henshall? Eventually released by Man City for nothing, four years later (and signed by Ipswich).
For some reason, the piece of news I felt saddest about was that Southampton had signed one of our youth team starlets, Tyreke Johnson. No mention of any fee. Or is it to be traded away to borrow one of their players for a few months? Of course, Southampton's academy enjoys a fantastic reputation, and you cannot really stand in the way of opportunity for a young player. But it's a sad reminder of where we stand and the lack of clout we have. It's not just that we are losing another young prospect, but seemingly it doesn't even lead to us clinching a loan player in return, particularly Stephens. Although that might happen today, I would have liked to see the two linked and announced together. Even then, we're losing one of our prospects and in return, we might be able to help develop another of Southampton's prospects for them. As we don't have a benefactor supporter with money to pump into the club as his or her hobby, we have to look at how else we can grow, add value and boost revenue. To me that means developing youth team and academy players and bringing them through; having an excellent scouting system to spot and sign the next Charlie Austin (or Simon Cox); or the first team coaches turning average players into good ones and good ones into better ones. Not sure how long we can hang onto youth team prospects or when is the best time to sell them. At 16, for next to nothing? At 18 when they might have been on the fringes of the first team squad? At 20, when they are playing in the first team? Keeping them longer costs money of course. Hope we have a sell-on fee but even then that might amount to nothing. Didn't we get £250,000 for Alex Henshall? Eventually released by Man City for nothing, four years later (and signed by Ipswich). london paolo
  • Score: 1

10:16am Fri 8 Aug 14

the wizard says...

London Red wrote:
old town robin wrote:
The Jockster wrote:
Well if that isn't a tip for Town fans to wang some wonga on Scunny for an away win I don't know what is.
What I do know is that positive spin it ain't-almost as if Cooperman is half expecting a stuffing before we start!
Quite the opposite Jock, could be Cooper playing mind games to give the impression we are the inexperienced under dogs or maybe he's just getting his excuses in early.

No mention of a prediction article to be run, but this opener has draw written all over it, As with all fans I would prefer a win, but a distinct lack of goal threat up front makes me wonder where the goals are going to come from this season. Lets hope our defence is a lot tighter and keep the goals against respectable.
It's what I said weeks ago - don't judge on one game!
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We lost 5-0 to Gills in 09/10 - that year we should have gone up automatically and ended up in the PO final
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Under PdC we won 3-0 yet then didn't win for 6 and people were calling for him to be sacked - we then went on to win the league
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Cooper never said we would lose - he said don't read anything into the result
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A defeat does not mean relegation and a win does not mean promotion
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October will start to show us how the league is shaping up not 10 Aug!
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Even then it still won't as Sheff U were bottom 4 but ended up 7th!
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Bournemouth the year before too were bottom 4 at that time and went up automatically!
LR, I have to agree with you. There are plenty here who claim to have followed the Town for years, and should know full well from their experience that the first couple of games count for very little with regard to how the rest of the season pans out. So quite why all the doom is being out poured can mostly, one would presume, for the inherent doom, gloom and despondency which some love to peddle daily.

Day one counts for nowt, the full potential will be seen later in September, probably after further loans arrive.
[quote][p][bold]London Red[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]old town robin[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The Jockster[/bold] wrote: Well if that isn't a tip for Town fans to wang some wonga on Scunny for an away win I don't know what is. What I do know is that positive spin it ain't-almost as if Cooperman is half expecting a stuffing before we start![/p][/quote]Quite the opposite Jock, could be Cooper playing mind games to give the impression we are the inexperienced under dogs or maybe he's just getting his excuses in early. No mention of a prediction article to be run, but this opener has draw written all over it, As with all fans I would prefer a win, but a distinct lack of goal threat up front makes me wonder where the goals are going to come from this season. Lets hope our defence is a lot tighter and keep the goals against respectable.[/p][/quote]It's what I said weeks ago - don't judge on one game! . We lost 5-0 to Gills in 09/10 - that year we should have gone up automatically and ended up in the PO final . Under PdC we won 3-0 yet then didn't win for 6 and people were calling for him to be sacked - we then went on to win the league . Cooper never said we would lose - he said don't read anything into the result . A defeat does not mean relegation and a win does not mean promotion . October will start to show us how the league is shaping up not 10 Aug! . Even then it still won't as Sheff U were bottom 4 but ended up 7th! . Bournemouth the year before too were bottom 4 at that time and went up automatically![/p][/quote]LR, I have to agree with you. There are plenty here who claim to have followed the Town for years, and should know full well from their experience that the first couple of games count for very little with regard to how the rest of the season pans out. So quite why all the doom is being out poured can mostly, one would presume, for the inherent doom, gloom and despondency which some love to peddle daily. Day one counts for nowt, the full potential will be seen later in September, probably after further loans arrive. the wizard
  • Score: 0

10:16am Fri 8 Aug 14

redbythesea says...

Since 1950 wrote:
redbythesea wrote:
Since 1950 wrote:
Amazing how other teams can afford to splash the cash on experienced players while we have to be content with being the 'foster parents' of the football league!
More positive vibes from our manager yet again.
Or alternatively, we are building a young dynamic side, incorporating some of the best talent the premiership clubs have to offer, rather than buying journeymen who are only in it for the money...............


.. No, that's way too positive for this forum.
Please note: this comment will be followed by around 70 'thumbs ups' as someone has found out he can continually vote for himself by using a mobile phone!
Can I ??? must try that sometime then ... Unfortunately some of us have to work, so don't have the time. Other than that it sounds like a good idea.
[quote][p][bold]Since 1950[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]redbythesea[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Since 1950[/bold] wrote: Amazing how other teams can afford to splash the cash on experienced players while we have to be content with being the 'foster parents' of the football league! More positive vibes from our manager yet again.[/p][/quote]Or alternatively, we are building a young dynamic side, incorporating some of the best talent the premiership clubs have to offer, rather than buying journeymen who are only in it for the money............... .. No, that's way too positive for this forum.[/p][/quote]Please note: this comment will be followed by around 70 'thumbs ups' as someone has found out he can continually vote for himself by using a mobile phone![/p][/quote]Can I ??? must try that sometime then ... Unfortunately some of us have to work, so don't have the time. Other than that it sounds like a good idea. redbythesea
  • Score: -1

10:18am Fri 8 Aug 14

redbythesea says...

Since 1950 wrote:
redbythesea wrote:
Since 1950 wrote:
Amazing how other teams can afford to splash the cash on experienced players while we have to be content with being the 'foster parents' of the football league!
More positive vibes from our manager yet again.
Or alternatively, we are building a young dynamic side, incorporating some of the best talent the premiership clubs have to offer, rather than buying journeymen who are only in it for the money...............


.. No, that's way too positive for this forum.
Please note: this comment will be followed by around 70 'thumbs ups' as someone has found out he can continually vote for himself by using a mobile phone!
Still. It clearly upsets you when people get some recognition for positive comments. So you just waddle back to your den of negativity and make sure the valves in your wireless are warmed up for tomorrow afternoon.
[quote][p][bold]Since 1950[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]redbythesea[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Since 1950[/bold] wrote: Amazing how other teams can afford to splash the cash on experienced players while we have to be content with being the 'foster parents' of the football league! More positive vibes from our manager yet again.[/p][/quote]Or alternatively, we are building a young dynamic side, incorporating some of the best talent the premiership clubs have to offer, rather than buying journeymen who are only in it for the money............... .. No, that's way too positive for this forum.[/p][/quote]Please note: this comment will be followed by around 70 'thumbs ups' as someone has found out he can continually vote for himself by using a mobile phone![/p][/quote]Still. It clearly upsets you when people get some recognition for positive comments. So you just waddle back to your den of negativity and make sure the valves in your wireless are warmed up for tomorrow afternoon. redbythesea
  • Score: 2

10:23am Fri 8 Aug 14

the wizard says...

LR also said,

Granted Roberts, Miller and Navarro did an excellent job for us - so we should probablt bankrypt the club in order to repeat their sucess!

I hope I am correct as reading that as a tongue in cheek remark. We saw little of the true full ability of Gary Roberts, and all three to a point were sick notes, Navarro especially. I believe he is now starring in Despicable Me films as a odd ball professor, lol.
LR also said, Granted Roberts, Miller and Navarro did an excellent job for us - so we should probablt bankrypt the club in order to repeat their sucess! I hope I am correct as reading that as a tongue in cheek remark. We saw little of the true full ability of Gary Roberts, and all three to a point were sick notes, Navarro especially. I believe he is now starring in Despicable Me films as a odd ball professor, lol. the wizard
  • Score: -1

10:48am Fri 8 Aug 14

Archive Robin says...

Hi All

Firstly thanks to all who helped me on the A420 diversion route yesterday I've now worked out the routes and just want to get there now. Secondly I think we all can't wait until 3.00pm tomorrow afternoon - no matter what your opinions and viewpoints are it's just great to see the new season arrive and at the end of the day we all want Town to do well but the excitement is not knowing what will happen next and that's what keeps us all going. it's also great to see all the posters with something tangible and solid to debate - absolutely love all of it and long may it continue - whatever happens tomorrow we'll all see it differently but it's just great to see the season is now with us!
Hi All Firstly thanks to all who helped me on the A420 diversion route yesterday I've now worked out the routes and just want to get there now. Secondly I think we all can't wait until 3.00pm tomorrow afternoon - no matter what your opinions and viewpoints are it's just great to see the new season arrive and at the end of the day we all want Town to do well but the excitement is not knowing what will happen next and that's what keeps us all going. it's also great to see all the posters with something tangible and solid to debate - absolutely love all of it and long may it continue - whatever happens tomorrow we'll all see it differently but it's just great to see the season is now with us! Archive Robin
  • Score: 1

10:49am Fri 8 Aug 14

Wilesy says...

Cooper not inspiring a lot of confidence but it's results that count so let's see.

Interested to see where the Brad Smith signing leaves Byrne as it's his position that will be taken, and captain Thompson certain to start on the right.

Scunthorpe with a few old heads but no-one inspiring.
Cooper not inspiring a lot of confidence but it's results that count so let's see. Interested to see where the Brad Smith signing leaves Byrne as it's his position that will be taken, and captain Thompson certain to start on the right. Scunthorpe with a few old heads but no-one inspiring. Wilesy
  • Score: 0

10:58am Fri 8 Aug 14

Davidsyrett says...

Why is this negative? He might mean if we win, don't start talking about winning the league!! Scunny will be tough tomorrow, but looking forward to it..COYR's
Why is this negative? He might mean if we win, don't start talking about winning the league!! Scunny will be tough tomorrow, but looking forward to it..COYR's Davidsyrett
  • Score: 5

1:37pm Fri 8 Aug 14

Wilesy says...

Davidsyrett wrote:
Why is this negative? He might mean if we win, don't start talking about winning the league!! Scunny will be tough tomorrow, but looking forward to it..COYR's
Negative because he is talking about Scunthorpe taking the game to us, identifying how they may see us as young and inexperienced, how they will have a good season due to their experienced players and their good options up front. I don't see much on how we could have a great season, just how we can keep them at bay...
[quote][p][bold]Davidsyrett[/bold] wrote: Why is this negative? He might mean if we win, don't start talking about winning the league!! Scunny will be tough tomorrow, but looking forward to it..COYR's[/p][/quote]Negative because he is talking about Scunthorpe taking the game to us, identifying how they may see us as young and inexperienced, how they will have a good season due to their experienced players and their good options up front. I don't see much on how we could have a great season, just how we can keep them at bay... Wilesy
  • Score: -3

1:42pm Fri 8 Aug 14

stranglers says...

The Jockster wrote:
Well if that isn't a tip for Town fans to wang some wonga on Scunny for an away win I don't know what is.
What I do know is that positive spin it ain't-almost as if Cooperman is half expecting a stuffing before we start!
Getting his excuses in early.
[quote][p][bold]The Jockster[/bold] wrote: Well if that isn't a tip for Town fans to wang some wonga on Scunny for an away win I don't know what is. What I do know is that positive spin it ain't-almost as if Cooperman is half expecting a stuffing before we start![/p][/quote]Getting his excuses in early. stranglers
  • Score: -6

1:52pm Fri 8 Aug 14

The Jockster says...

Is that you Lovesey wrote:
Mr Motivator Cooper is off again.....
More like Mr Rotovator!
[quote][p][bold]Is that you Lovesey[/bold] wrote: Mr Motivator Cooper is off again.....[/p][/quote]More like Mr Rotovator! The Jockster
  • Score: -1

2:30pm Fri 8 Aug 14

stranglers says...

The Jockster wrote:
Is that you Lovesey wrote:
Mr Motivator Cooper is off again.....
More like Mr Rotovator!
Brilliant.

I wouldn't have him cut my lawn let alone dig over the garden.
[quote][p][bold]The Jockster[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Is that you Lovesey[/bold] wrote: Mr Motivator Cooper is off again.....[/p][/quote]More like Mr Rotovator![/p][/quote]Brilliant. I wouldn't have him cut my lawn let alone dig over the garden. stranglers
  • Score: -1

4:54pm Fri 8 Aug 14

smirg kcab says...

Chuck away the knives and forks and replace it with a pen and p45
If I was power wanting people to come through the turnstiles I would be fuming if this headline is not a wind up.
Also if I was the scunny manager I would give them all a photo copy of this stupid statement.
Looks like we've chucked the towel in before we get changed.
This must be looked into by the board and get to the bottom of it
I'm sure it's another adver wind up
Chuck away the knives and forks and replace it with a pen and p45 If I was power wanting people to come through the turnstiles I would be fuming if this headline is not a wind up. Also if I was the scunny manager I would give them all a photo copy of this stupid statement. Looks like we've chucked the towel in before we get changed. This must be looked into by the board and get to the bottom of it I'm sure it's another adver wind up smirg kcab
  • Score: -2

4:57pm Fri 8 Aug 14

smirg kcab says...

Wilesy wrote:
Cooper not inspiring a lot of confidence but it's results that count so let's see.

Interested to see where the Brad Smith signing leaves Byrne as it's his position that will be taken, and captain Thompson certain to start on the right.

Scunthorpe with a few old heads but no-one inspiring.
Wilma v madden
[quote][p][bold]Wilesy[/bold] wrote: Cooper not inspiring a lot of confidence but it's results that count so let's see. Interested to see where the Brad Smith signing leaves Byrne as it's his position that will be taken, and captain Thompson certain to start on the right. Scunthorpe with a few old heads but no-one inspiring.[/p][/quote]Wilma v madden smirg kcab
  • Score: 1

5:30pm Fri 8 Aug 14

Bassett Hound says...

This club needs a PR man or issue all the fans with Valium.
His interviews are shocking. I wonder if he can get his players up for the fight ?
This club needs a PR man or issue all the fans with Valium. His interviews are shocking. I wonder if he can get his players up for the fight ? Bassett Hound
  • Score: -2

5:51pm Fri 8 Aug 14

dazzastfc says...

Since 1950 wrote:
Amazing how other teams can afford to splash the cash on experienced players while we have to be content with being the 'foster parents' of the football league!
More positive vibes from our manager yet again.
How do you think the court case was paid...?????

I am expecting nothing this season apart from a dog fight for safty BUT I will still be there supporting my team
[quote][p][bold]Since 1950[/bold] wrote: Amazing how other teams can afford to splash the cash on experienced players while we have to be content with being the 'foster parents' of the football league! More positive vibes from our manager yet again.[/p][/quote]How do you think the court case was paid...????? I am expecting nothing this season apart from a dog fight for safty BUT I will still be there supporting my team dazzastfc
  • Score: -2

8:21pm Fri 8 Aug 14

TheDukeOfBanbury says...

dazzastfc wrote:
Since 1950 wrote:
Amazing how other teams can afford to splash the cash on experienced players while we have to be content with being the 'foster parents' of the football league!
More positive vibes from our manager yet again.
How do you think the court case was paid...?????

I am expecting nothing this season apart from a dog fight for safty BUT I will still be there supporting my team
Not going to be easy for sure.
Will be supporting the team though.
40th sesason.......where did that go ??
Both boys have a season ticket though. Yellow they are not :)
[quote][p][bold]dazzastfc[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Since 1950[/bold] wrote: Amazing how other teams can afford to splash the cash on experienced players while we have to be content with being the 'foster parents' of the football league! More positive vibes from our manager yet again.[/p][/quote]How do you think the court case was paid...????? I am expecting nothing this season apart from a dog fight for safty BUT I will still be there supporting my team[/p][/quote]Not going to be easy for sure. Will be supporting the team though. 40th sesason.......where did that go ?? Both boys have a season ticket though. Yellow they are not :) TheDukeOfBanbury
  • Score: 0

9:57am Sat 9 Aug 14

london paolo says...

dazzastfc wrote:
Since 1950 wrote:
Amazing how other teams can afford to splash the cash on experienced players while we have to be content with being the 'foster parents' of the football league!
More positive vibes from our manager yet again.
How do you think the court case was paid...?????

I am expecting nothing this season apart from a dog fight for safty BUT I will still be there supporting my team
Hopefully the court case was paid from the costs awarded against Jedda.

But then you have to wonder where he got his money from beforehand...
[quote][p][bold]dazzastfc[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Since 1950[/bold] wrote: Amazing how other teams can afford to splash the cash on experienced players while we have to be content with being the 'foster parents' of the football league! More positive vibes from our manager yet again.[/p][/quote]How do you think the court case was paid...????? I am expecting nothing this season apart from a dog fight for safty BUT I will still be there supporting my team[/p][/quote]Hopefully the court case was paid from the costs awarded against Jedda. But then you have to wonder where he got his money from beforehand... london paolo
  • Score: 0

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