Nathan ready to attack

Nathan Thompson

Nathan Thompson

First published in Sport The Wiltshire Gazette and Herald: Photograph of the Author by , Sports reporter

NATHAN Thompson is aiming to make a bigger impact in the final third this season after honing the offensive side of his game over the summer.

The Town captain, 23, says that Swindon’s players have been putting in the hours on the training pitch during pre-season.

Thompson is hoping to play a larger role in helping create problems for opposition defences during the upcoming campaign, which gets underway when Scunthorpe United visit the County Ground on Saturday.

“I think it’s been a good pre-season for us. We’ve worked tactically and technically and I think we’re ready to go on Saturday,” said Thompson.

“There’s a few new faces and I think we’ve come a long way since we came in six weeks ago.

“For me personally, it was all about the attacking side of the game. I was quite happy defensively and it was just about developing going forward.

“We’ve worked on a lot of patterns of play and a lot of shape work attacking-wise and I think I’ve progressed in that sense.”

With Town only making a handful of summer signings, full-back Thompson thinks that play-off finalists Leyton Orient provide the biggest example of what can be achieved with a settled squad.

But the Swindon defender is warning that League One new boys Scunthorpe will have an extra spring in their step following their promotion last term.

Thompson said: “You just have to look at Leyton Orient to see what they did last year by keeping a nucleus of players and I think that we’ve done that. We’ve only added a couple of new faces.

“We’ve got a young team but it’s a team full of enthusiasm and I’m sure that we’re raring to go for Saturday.

“As we saw from last season (Scunthorpe have) got players that can score goals and can hurt us if we’re not switched on.

“Teams coming up from the league below are always keen to impress and put on a bit of a show, so we know they’ll be at the races from the first whistle. We’ve got to match them in all departments but I can’t see why can’t do that and pick up three points and start the season positively.

“I think last year, we played really well away at Peterborough but we didn’t pick up three points. This year, we’ll go in to the season looking to rectify that.”

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6:26am Thu 7 Aug 14

smirg kcab says...

Coymr
Coymr smirg kcab
  • Score: -8

6:39am Thu 7 Aug 14

We are PANTS says...

After his outstanding season two years ago last year was pretty average by comparison.. On reflection he is better when the team drives forward and can be a real handful... Let's all hope he has a stormer!!
After his outstanding season two years ago last year was pretty average by comparison.. On reflection he is better when the team drives forward and can be a real handful... Let's all hope he has a stormer!! We are PANTS
  • Score: 8

7:15am Thu 7 Aug 14

dazzastfc says...

Anyone know if we have a plan B..Or are we all happy with what is coming out from cooper and co
Anyone know if we have a plan B..Or are we all happy with what is coming out from cooper and co dazzastfc
  • Score: -22

7:29am Thu 7 Aug 14

smirg kcab says...

smirg kcab wrote:
Coymr
Only minus six?
People must be having lay-ins
Coymr
Onwards and downwards
[quote][p][bold]smirg kcab[/bold] wrote: Coymr[/p][/quote]Only minus six? People must be having lay-ins Coymr Onwards and downwards smirg kcab
  • Score: -19

7:59am Thu 7 Aug 14

The Nomis says...

Still only ONE perm signing...tick tock tick tock. This club ain't going anywhere apart from backwards!!. Sod loan signings, we need our OWN players because at the end of every season the loan players return to their parent clubs and then at the beginning of the next season we are back at square one again!!!. This time last year we were told we are rebuilding for this season, we haven't built **** all. We are back in the same position as we were 12 months ago and it will be the same again in 12 months time, no progress. No wonder ticket sales are down. No experienced players signed, no one exciting signed that may attract a few, just one average kid from Oldham signed perm and a couple of kids on loan!. There is no incentive whatsoever for people to come and watch this season. Bumped into an old Town fan yesterday who says he ain't going anymore cos he doesn't trust the board, feels there is no ambition whatsoever, expensive match day tickets etc and their are plenty more like him too. If you want bums on seats Mr Power then show some **** ambition, sign some experienced players. Cheltenham have signed 8 players, Yeovil have signed 9 players. Hate to think it, but it looks like we have fallen way behind those type of small clubs!!. Who would of ever thought that
Still only ONE perm signing...tick tock tick tock. This club ain't going anywhere apart from backwards!!. Sod loan signings, we need our OWN players because at the end of every season the loan players return to their parent clubs and then at the beginning of the next season we are back at square one again!!!. This time last year we were told we are rebuilding for this season, we haven't built **** all. We are back in the same position as we were 12 months ago and it will be the same again in 12 months time, no progress. No wonder ticket sales are down. No experienced players signed, no one exciting signed that may attract a few, just one average kid from Oldham signed perm and a couple of kids on loan!. There is no incentive whatsoever for people to come and watch this season. Bumped into an old Town fan yesterday who says he ain't going anymore cos he doesn't trust the board, feels there is no ambition whatsoever, expensive match day tickets etc and their are plenty more like him too. If you want bums on seats Mr Power then show some **** ambition, sign some experienced players. Cheltenham have signed 8 players, Yeovil have signed 9 players. Hate to think it, but it looks like we have fallen way behind those type of small clubs!!. Who would of ever thought that The Nomis
  • Score: -16

8:01am Thu 7 Aug 14

Is that you Lovesey says...

You need a squad to have a plan be Daz, we have first year scholars propping up the squad, yet teams like Yeovil with similar budgets have players with experience...... Go figure......
You need a squad to have a plan be Daz, we have first year scholars propping up the squad, yet teams like Yeovil with similar budgets have players with experience...... Go figure...... Is that you Lovesey
  • Score: 1

8:18am Thu 7 Aug 14

Cleuso says...

dazzastfc wrote:
Anyone know if we have a plan B..Or are we all happy with what is coming out from cooper and co
Oh for another cliche today just what we want from the tactical genius called DazzaSTFC.

All summer to come up with something new and all the can come up with is a trawled out this old chestnut which is repeated by fans all across every web site and radio phone around the country for every team from Man C to the lowest performing team in the country.

Just to think we haven't yet seen plan A, whatever that is -(every game is different), in competitive action yet !!
[quote][p][bold]dazzastfc[/bold] wrote: Anyone know if we have a plan B..Or are we all happy with what is coming out from cooper and co[/p][/quote]Oh for another cliche today just what we want from the tactical genius called DazzaSTFC. All summer to come up with something new and all the can come up with is a trawled out this old chestnut which is repeated by fans all across every web site and radio phone around the country for every team from Man C to the lowest performing team in the country. Just to think we haven't yet seen plan A, whatever that is -(every game is different), in competitive action yet !! Cleuso
  • Score: 10

9:20am Thu 7 Aug 14

harley red says...

Sorry all you happy clappers but I think this year will be a real struggle , like a lot of the posters I think we need some experience . Probably 3 but not more kids . I wish power would leave as he has no money and you can't run a club like that , power is not doing anything for us , but he will sell the players on when the price is good , then pocket the profit .
Sorry all you happy clappers but I think this year will be a real struggle , like a lot of the posters I think we need some experience . Probably 3 but not more kids . I wish power would leave as he has no money and you can't run a club like that , power is not doing anything for us , but he will sell the players on when the price is good , then pocket the profit . harley red
  • Score: -9

9:21am Thu 7 Aug 14

Swindon1984 says...

The Nomis wrote:
Still only ONE perm signing...tick tock tick tock. This club ain't going anywhere apart from backwards!!. Sod loan signings, we need our OWN players because at the end of every season the loan players return to their parent clubs and then at the beginning of the next season we are back at square one again!!!. This time last year we were told we are rebuilding for this season, we haven't built **** all. We are back in the same position as we were 12 months ago and it will be the same again in 12 months time, no progress. No wonder ticket sales are down. No experienced players signed, no one exciting signed that may attract a few, just one average kid from Oldham signed perm and a couple of kids on loan!. There is no incentive whatsoever for people to come and watch this season. Bumped into an old Town fan yesterday who says he ain't going anymore cos he doesn't trust the board, feels there is no ambition whatsoever, expensive match day tickets etc and their are plenty more like him too. If you want bums on seats Mr Power then show some **** ambition, sign some experienced players. Cheltenham have signed 8 players, Yeovil have signed 9 players. Hate to think it, but it looks like we have fallen way behind those type of small clubs!!. Who would of ever thought that
Would think that's fairly simple to answer - solidarity payments for Championship clubs stand at £2.3 million rather than the £360k for those in division 1. Even after relegation, Yeovil will have money burning a hole in their pocket. Take the Berkshire ******** as another example, £60 million in parachute payments over a four year period after being relegated from the prem - you can see exactly how the gulf is opening up by rewarding failure. Whereas our little soiree into the prem in 94 crippled the club financially as we couldn't hold onto the players who got us there following relegation, clubs are now encouraged to go for break getting promotion as even when they get relegated there's a safety net meaning they'll be in a better position than anyone else to challenge for promotion again.

I know this has been said countless times but if we haven't got the money to sign first team players permanently, the best we can do is hang on to what we have and get a few loan players in to bulk out the numbers. That's not a situation anyone including myself is entirely happy with but that's the situation we're in.

The old contradiction comes up here as well - people aren't buying season tickets and matchday tickets because we haven't signed any players. Well we're definitely not going to be able to sign any players if the revenue drops off are we? It seems almost ludicrous to some fans that we haven't got someone bankrolling our relatively small club for millions of pounds - it seems ludicrous and wrong to me that anyone should be expected to! The whole setup is wrong - each club should stand on it's own two feet to achieve any level of success it gets. If they did Crawley wouldn't be in league 1, the likes of Bournemouth, and Reading wouldn't be in the Championship and Wigan and QPR would not have been premiership clubs. If funded solely by revenue rather than bankrolled by investors the premiership would be the top half plus about half the clubs in the Championship languishing and dreaming of past glories like Wolves/Leeds/Forest/
Birmimgham etc. As it stands any team who attracts interest from an oil baron or big businessman can go from three sided stadium, undersupported nowhere to a premiership club. The financial fair play rules seem to do nothing.

As a last note - "There is no incentive whatsoever for people to come and watch this season." I would've thought watching was incentive enough in itself - no club can make promises at the start of a season beyond completing the fixture list (and that's not even a guarantee if financial meltdown occurs). What you're really asking for is for a generous owner to bankrupt themselves signing players to encourage supporters to show up and support. That's not the deal as I understand it.

Yes, there should be a plan, yes there should be ambition but if the money's not there, then it's not there, and staying away certainly isn't going to improve the situation. I've always been of the opinion that people who really want to attend do regardless (which is why attendances have been fairly constant for the past few years regardless of where we've been in the league pyramid) - people who want to call themselves supporters but don't like the hassle of actually supporting will jump on any excuse not to go and call it a protest or whatever. Not accusing anyone in particular, just an observation.
[quote][p][bold]The Nomis[/bold] wrote: Still only ONE perm signing...tick tock tick tock. This club ain't going anywhere apart from backwards!!. Sod loan signings, we need our OWN players because at the end of every season the loan players return to their parent clubs and then at the beginning of the next season we are back at square one again!!!. This time last year we were told we are rebuilding for this season, we haven't built **** all. We are back in the same position as we were 12 months ago and it will be the same again in 12 months time, no progress. No wonder ticket sales are down. No experienced players signed, no one exciting signed that may attract a few, just one average kid from Oldham signed perm and a couple of kids on loan!. There is no incentive whatsoever for people to come and watch this season. Bumped into an old Town fan yesterday who says he ain't going anymore cos he doesn't trust the board, feels there is no ambition whatsoever, expensive match day tickets etc and their are plenty more like him too. If you want bums on seats Mr Power then show some **** ambition, sign some experienced players. Cheltenham have signed 8 players, Yeovil have signed 9 players. Hate to think it, but it looks like we have fallen way behind those type of small clubs!!. Who would of ever thought that[/p][/quote]Would think that's fairly simple to answer - solidarity payments for Championship clubs stand at £2.3 million rather than the £360k for those in division 1. Even after relegation, Yeovil will have money burning a hole in their pocket. Take the Berkshire ******** as another example, £60 million in parachute payments over a four year period after being relegated from the prem - you can see exactly how the gulf is opening up by rewarding failure. Whereas our little soiree into the prem in 94 crippled the club financially as we couldn't hold onto the players who got us there following relegation, clubs are now encouraged to go for break getting promotion as even when they get relegated there's a safety net meaning they'll be in a better position than anyone else to challenge for promotion again. I know this has been said countless times but if we haven't got the money to sign first team players permanently, the best we can do is hang on to what we have and get a few loan players in to bulk out the numbers. That's not a situation anyone including myself is entirely happy with but that's the situation we're in. The old contradiction comes up here as well - people aren't buying season tickets and matchday tickets because we haven't signed any players. Well we're definitely not going to be able to sign any players if the revenue drops off are we? It seems almost ludicrous to some fans that we haven't got someone bankrolling our relatively small club for millions of pounds - it seems ludicrous and wrong to me that anyone should be expected to! The whole setup is wrong - each club should stand on it's own two feet to achieve any level of success it gets. If they did Crawley wouldn't be in league 1, the likes of Bournemouth, and Reading wouldn't be in the Championship and Wigan and QPR would not have been premiership clubs. If funded solely by revenue rather than bankrolled by investors the premiership would be the top half plus about half the clubs in the Championship languishing and dreaming of past glories like Wolves/Leeds/Forest/ Birmimgham etc. As it stands any team who attracts interest from an oil baron or big businessman can go from three sided stadium, undersupported nowhere to a premiership club. The financial fair play rules seem to do nothing. As a last note - "There is no incentive whatsoever for people to come and watch this season." I would've thought watching was incentive enough in itself - no club can make promises at the start of a season beyond completing the fixture list (and that's not even a guarantee if financial meltdown occurs). What you're really asking for is for a generous owner to bankrupt themselves signing players to encourage supporters to show up and support. That's not the deal as I understand it. Yes, there should be a plan, yes there should be ambition but if the money's not there, then it's not there, and staying away certainly isn't going to improve the situation. I've always been of the opinion that people who really want to attend do regardless (which is why attendances have been fairly constant for the past few years regardless of where we've been in the league pyramid) - people who want to call themselves supporters but don't like the hassle of actually supporting will jump on any excuse not to go and call it a protest or whatever. Not accusing anyone in particular, just an observation. Swindon1984
  • Score: 42

9:37am Thu 7 Aug 14

Bassett Hound says...

Swindon1984 wrote:
The Nomis wrote:
Still only ONE perm signing...tick tock tick tock. This club ain't going anywhere apart from backwards!!. Sod loan signings, we need our OWN players because at the end of every season the loan players return to their parent clubs and then at the beginning of the next season we are back at square one again!!!. This time last year we were told we are rebuilding for this season, we haven't built **** all. We are back in the same position as we were 12 months ago and it will be the same again in 12 months time, no progress. No wonder ticket sales are down. No experienced players signed, no one exciting signed that may attract a few, just one average kid from Oldham signed perm and a couple of kids on loan!. There is no incentive whatsoever for people to come and watch this season. Bumped into an old Town fan yesterday who says he ain't going anymore cos he doesn't trust the board, feels there is no ambition whatsoever, expensive match day tickets etc and their are plenty more like him too. If you want bums on seats Mr Power then show some **** ambition, sign some experienced players. Cheltenham have signed 8 players, Yeovil have signed 9 players. Hate to think it, but it looks like we have fallen way behind those type of small clubs!!. Who would of ever thought that
Would think that's fairly simple to answer - solidarity payments for Championship clubs stand at £2.3 million rather than the £360k for those in division 1. Even after relegation, Yeovil will have money burning a hole in their pocket. Take the Berkshire ******** as another example, £60 million in parachute payments over a four year period after being relegated from the prem - you can see exactly how the gulf is opening up by rewarding failure. Whereas our little soiree into the prem in 94 crippled the club financially as we couldn't hold onto the players who got us there following relegation, clubs are now encouraged to go for break getting promotion as even when they get relegated there's a safety net meaning they'll be in a better position than anyone else to challenge for promotion again.

I know this has been said countless times but if we haven't got the money to sign first team players permanently, the best we can do is hang on to what we have and get a few loan players in to bulk out the numbers. That's not a situation anyone including myself is entirely happy with but that's the situation we're in.

The old contradiction comes up here as well - people aren't buying season tickets and matchday tickets because we haven't signed any players. Well we're definitely not going to be able to sign any players if the revenue drops off are we? It seems almost ludicrous to some fans that we haven't got someone bankrolling our relatively small club for millions of pounds - it seems ludicrous and wrong to me that anyone should be expected to! The whole setup is wrong - each club should stand on it's own two feet to achieve any level of success it gets. If they did Crawley wouldn't be in league 1, the likes of Bournemouth, and Reading wouldn't be in the Championship and Wigan and QPR would not have been premiership clubs. If funded solely by revenue rather than bankrolled by investors the premiership would be the top half plus about half the clubs in the Championship languishing and dreaming of past glories like Wolves/Leeds/Forest/

Birmimgham etc. As it stands any team who attracts interest from an oil baron or big businessman can go from three sided stadium, undersupported nowhere to a premiership club. The financial fair play rules seem to do nothing.

As a last note - "There is no incentive whatsoever for people to come and watch this season." I would've thought watching was incentive enough in itself - no club can make promises at the start of a season beyond completing the fixture list (and that's not even a guarantee if financial meltdown occurs). What you're really asking for is for a generous owner to bankrupt themselves signing players to encourage supporters to show up and support. That's not the deal as I understand it.

Yes, there should be a plan, yes there should be ambition but if the money's not there, then it's not there, and staying away certainly isn't going to improve the situation. I've always been of the opinion that people who really want to attend do regardless (which is why attendances have been fairly constant for the past few years regardless of where we've been in the league pyramid) - people who want to call themselves supporters but don't like the hassle of actually supporting will jump on any excuse not to go and call it a protest or whatever. Not accusing anyone in particular, just an observation.
Good post '84 , spot on
[quote][p][bold]Swindon1984[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The Nomis[/bold] wrote: Still only ONE perm signing...tick tock tick tock. This club ain't going anywhere apart from backwards!!. Sod loan signings, we need our OWN players because at the end of every season the loan players return to their parent clubs and then at the beginning of the next season we are back at square one again!!!. This time last year we were told we are rebuilding for this season, we haven't built **** all. We are back in the same position as we were 12 months ago and it will be the same again in 12 months time, no progress. No wonder ticket sales are down. No experienced players signed, no one exciting signed that may attract a few, just one average kid from Oldham signed perm and a couple of kids on loan!. There is no incentive whatsoever for people to come and watch this season. Bumped into an old Town fan yesterday who says he ain't going anymore cos he doesn't trust the board, feels there is no ambition whatsoever, expensive match day tickets etc and their are plenty more like him too. If you want bums on seats Mr Power then show some **** ambition, sign some experienced players. Cheltenham have signed 8 players, Yeovil have signed 9 players. Hate to think it, but it looks like we have fallen way behind those type of small clubs!!. Who would of ever thought that[/p][/quote]Would think that's fairly simple to answer - solidarity payments for Championship clubs stand at £2.3 million rather than the £360k for those in division 1. Even after relegation, Yeovil will have money burning a hole in their pocket. Take the Berkshire ******** as another example, £60 million in parachute payments over a four year period after being relegated from the prem - you can see exactly how the gulf is opening up by rewarding failure. Whereas our little soiree into the prem in 94 crippled the club financially as we couldn't hold onto the players who got us there following relegation, clubs are now encouraged to go for break getting promotion as even when they get relegated there's a safety net meaning they'll be in a better position than anyone else to challenge for promotion again. I know this has been said countless times but if we haven't got the money to sign first team players permanently, the best we can do is hang on to what we have and get a few loan players in to bulk out the numbers. That's not a situation anyone including myself is entirely happy with but that's the situation we're in. The old contradiction comes up here as well - people aren't buying season tickets and matchday tickets because we haven't signed any players. Well we're definitely not going to be able to sign any players if the revenue drops off are we? It seems almost ludicrous to some fans that we haven't got someone bankrolling our relatively small club for millions of pounds - it seems ludicrous and wrong to me that anyone should be expected to! The whole setup is wrong - each club should stand on it's own two feet to achieve any level of success it gets. If they did Crawley wouldn't be in league 1, the likes of Bournemouth, and Reading wouldn't be in the Championship and Wigan and QPR would not have been premiership clubs. If funded solely by revenue rather than bankrolled by investors the premiership would be the top half plus about half the clubs in the Championship languishing and dreaming of past glories like Wolves/Leeds/Forest/ Birmimgham etc. As it stands any team who attracts interest from an oil baron or big businessman can go from three sided stadium, undersupported nowhere to a premiership club. The financial fair play rules seem to do nothing. As a last note - "There is no incentive whatsoever for people to come and watch this season." I would've thought watching was incentive enough in itself - no club can make promises at the start of a season beyond completing the fixture list (and that's not even a guarantee if financial meltdown occurs). What you're really asking for is for a generous owner to bankrupt themselves signing players to encourage supporters to show up and support. That's not the deal as I understand it. Yes, there should be a plan, yes there should be ambition but if the money's not there, then it's not there, and staying away certainly isn't going to improve the situation. I've always been of the opinion that people who really want to attend do regardless (which is why attendances have been fairly constant for the past few years regardless of where we've been in the league pyramid) - people who want to call themselves supporters but don't like the hassle of actually supporting will jump on any excuse not to go and call it a protest or whatever. Not accusing anyone in particular, just an observation.[/p][/quote]Good post '84 , spot on Bassett Hound
  • Score: 9

9:55am Thu 7 Aug 14

Steaming-in says...

Cleuso wrote:
dazzastfc wrote:
Anyone know if we have a plan B..Or are we all happy with what is coming out from cooper and co
Oh for another cliche today just what we want from the tactical genius called DazzaSTFC.

All summer to come up with something new and all the can come up with is a trawled out this old chestnut which is repeated by fans all across every web site and radio phone around the country for every team from Man C to the lowest performing team in the country.

Just to think we haven't yet seen plan A, whatever that is -(every game is different), in competitive action yet !!
You can tell Dazza doesn't go a watch the Town (or either he doesn't actually recognise what he's looking at).

Even on a very basic level, we typically played 4-5-1 last season but have worked on a 3-5-2 this pre-season. It would bizarre to suggest that the coaching staff just abandon the principles of last season or that the players have somehow forgotten their responsibilities in that system.

You can add to this the fact that we noticeably changed our ethos last season in a 4-5-1 after Smith came in. We were far more direct and by that I mean we looked to play forward as soon as we could (not long ball but looking to play into forward positions).

So, even in my little mind, we've 3 developed approaches that most of the squad are familiar with.

I also think there's variation in the 3-5-2 depending on who supports Smith (Williams, Gladwin, Barker and possibly even Randall).

Interesting times and, by the way, I think a mid-table position will be good result (and a realistic one based on our squad and budget). However, this will inevitable be secured with flirtations with the bottom 4 at times and it's up to use to not be knee-jerk and get behind them!

Can't wait for Saturday!
[quote][p][bold]Cleuso[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]dazzastfc[/bold] wrote: Anyone know if we have a plan B..Or are we all happy with what is coming out from cooper and co[/p][/quote]Oh for another cliche today just what we want from the tactical genius called DazzaSTFC. All summer to come up with something new and all the can come up with is a trawled out this old chestnut which is repeated by fans all across every web site and radio phone around the country for every team from Man C to the lowest performing team in the country. Just to think we haven't yet seen plan A, whatever that is -(every game is different), in competitive action yet !![/p][/quote]You can tell Dazza doesn't go a watch the Town (or either he doesn't actually recognise what he's looking at). Even on a very basic level, we typically played 4-5-1 last season but have worked on a 3-5-2 this pre-season. It would bizarre to suggest that the coaching staff just abandon the principles of last season or that the players have somehow forgotten their responsibilities in that system. You can add to this the fact that we noticeably changed our ethos last season in a 4-5-1 after Smith came in. We were far more direct and by that I mean we looked to play forward as soon as we could (not long ball but looking to play into forward positions). So, even in my little mind, we've 3 developed approaches that most of the squad are familiar with. I also think there's variation in the 3-5-2 depending on who supports Smith (Williams, Gladwin, Barker and possibly even Randall). Interesting times and, by the way, I think a mid-table position will be good result (and a realistic one based on our squad and budget). However, this will inevitable be secured with flirtations with the bottom 4 at times and it's up to use to not be knee-jerk and get behind them! Can't wait for Saturday! Steaming-in
  • Score: 8

10:26am Thu 7 Aug 14

South Stand says...

harley red wrote:
Sorry all you happy clappers but I think this year will be a real struggle , like a lot of the posters I think we need some experience . Probably 3 but not more kids . I wish power would leave as he has no money and you can't run a club like that , power is not doing anything for us , but he will sell the players on when the price is good , then pocket the profit .
You've been asked this question many, many times before, now how about answering it. Please let us know what your alternative solution is to the current setup.
[quote][p][bold]harley red[/bold] wrote: Sorry all you happy clappers but I think this year will be a real struggle , like a lot of the posters I think we need some experience . Probably 3 but not more kids . I wish power would leave as he has no money and you can't run a club like that , power is not doing anything for us , but he will sell the players on when the price is good , then pocket the profit .[/p][/quote]You've been asked this question many, many times before, now how about answering it. Please let us know what your alternative solution is to the current setup. South Stand
  • Score: 6

10:37am Thu 7 Aug 14

Hampshire_ReD says...

Ignoring the absence of funds available to sign players, the number of loans, and number of kids in the team, I think part of the issue is that you have to offer the supporters something worth watching - even if that does mean we finish just above the relegation zone.

Too often last season, Cooper's tactics had us continually passing the ball with no purpose or direction, with Wes getting vastly more touches of the ball than the striker.

With really only 1 true creative player in the team (now gone), we desperately lacked a cutting edge and any penetration into the opponent's box.

Towards the end of the season, the team did show shades of what they were capable of, adding faster distribution of the play which opened up space to give them room to attack into.

Despite Cooper's opinion - Storey's pace certainly had a hand in that.

So... if Cooper has carefully studied last season, learned from his tactical errors, worked out what needs to be fixed from last year, (and with an extra year of working with most of the same youngsters) - who knows we might finish in a top 12 position.

However, If we start to see more of the same negative dross from last year, it's understandable if that doesn't fill the ground.
Ignoring the absence of funds available to sign players, the number of loans, and number of kids in the team, I think part of the issue is that you have to offer the supporters something worth watching - even if that does mean we finish just above the relegation zone. Too often last season, Cooper's tactics had us continually passing the ball with no purpose or direction, with Wes getting vastly more touches of the ball than the striker. With really only 1 true creative player in the team (now gone), we desperately lacked a cutting edge and any penetration into the opponent's box. Towards the end of the season, the team did show shades of what they were capable of, adding faster distribution of the play which opened up space to give them room to attack into. Despite Cooper's opinion - Storey's pace certainly had a hand in that. So... if Cooper has carefully studied last season, learned from his tactical errors, worked out what needs to be fixed from last year, (and with an extra year of working with most of the same youngsters) - who knows we might finish in a top 12 position. However, If we start to see more of the same negative dross from last year, it's understandable if that doesn't fill the ground. Hampshire_ReD
  • Score: -3

10:43am Thu 7 Aug 14

port de soller says...

It does unfortunately feel like doom and gloom.No money,short on investment and reading between the lines players will be sold.Lat season gates were good,season tickets are down(500) they say,budget cut again,high earners have gone.Think we have 3 left.
I just fear for the club now,like many tried to remain positive but what do we have to believe in???? MC is a Puppet LP I think has put in money that soon he will want back.No sign of investment.
Swindon Borough Council could have assisted STFC by Building a new stadium but alas no.The Club needs backing if there lucky enough to get it again let¨s hope they do a better job of it as over 2 years with last lot no wonder AB had enough.
Do hope they can survive yet hand on heart I doubt it very much.
Plus for these daily Stories Adver forget the repetition just print NEW NEWS
It does unfortunately feel like doom and gloom.No money,short on investment and reading between the lines players will be sold.Lat season gates were good,season tickets are down(500) they say,budget cut again,high earners have gone.Think we have 3 left. I just fear for the club now,like many tried to remain positive but what do we have to believe in???? MC is a Puppet LP I think has put in money that soon he will want back.No sign of investment. Swindon Borough Council could have assisted STFC by Building a new stadium but alas no.The Club needs backing if there lucky enough to get it again let¨s hope they do a better job of it as over 2 years with last lot no wonder AB had enough. Do hope they can survive yet hand on heart I doubt it very much. Plus for these daily Stories Adver forget the repetition just print NEW NEWS port de soller
  • Score: -5

10:47am Thu 7 Aug 14

umpcah says...

Bassett Hound wrote:
Swindon1984 wrote:
The Nomis wrote:
Still only ONE perm signing...tick tock tick tock. This club ain't going anywhere apart from backwards!!. Sod loan signings, we need our OWN players because at the end of every season the loan players return to their parent clubs and then at the beginning of the next season we are back at square one again!!!. This time last year we were told we are rebuilding for this season, we haven't built **** all. We are back in the same position as we were 12 months ago and it will be the same again in 12 months time, no progress. No wonder ticket sales are down. No experienced players signed, no one exciting signed that may attract a few, just one average kid from Oldham signed perm and a couple of kids on loan!. There is no incentive whatsoever for people to come and watch this season. Bumped into an old Town fan yesterday who says he ain't going anymore cos he doesn't trust the board, feels there is no ambition whatsoever, expensive match day tickets etc and their are plenty more like him too. If you want bums on seats Mr Power then show some **** ambition, sign some experienced players. Cheltenham have signed 8 players, Yeovil have signed 9 players. Hate to think it, but it looks like we have fallen way behind those type of small clubs!!. Who would of ever thought that
Would think that's fairly simple to answer - solidarity payments for Championship clubs stand at £2.3 million rather than the £360k for those in division 1. Even after relegation, Yeovil will have money burning a hole in their pocket. Take the Berkshire ******** as another example, £60 million in parachute payments over a four year period after being relegated from the prem - you can see exactly how the gulf is opening up by rewarding failure. Whereas our little soiree into the prem in 94 crippled the club financially as we couldn't hold onto the players who got us there following relegation, clubs are now encouraged to go for break getting promotion as even when they get relegated there's a safety net meaning they'll be in a better position than anyone else to challenge for promotion again.

I know this has been said countless times but if we haven't got the money to sign first team players permanently, the best we can do is hang on to what we have and get a few loan players in to bulk out the numbers. That's not a situation anyone including myself is entirely happy with but that's the situation we're in.

The old contradiction comes up here as well - people aren't buying season tickets and matchday tickets because we haven't signed any players. Well we're definitely not going to be able to sign any players if the revenue drops off are we? It seems almost ludicrous to some fans that we haven't got someone bankrolling our relatively small club for millions of pounds - it seems ludicrous and wrong to me that anyone should be expected to! The whole setup is wrong - each club should stand on it's own two feet to achieve any level of success it gets. If they did Crawley wouldn't be in league 1, the likes of Bournemouth, and Reading wouldn't be in the Championship and Wigan and QPR would not have been premiership clubs. If funded solely by revenue rather than bankrolled by investors the premiership would be the top half plus about half the clubs in the Championship languishing and dreaming of past glories like Wolves/Leeds/Forest/


Birmimgham etc. As it stands any team who attracts interest from an oil baron or big businessman can go from three sided stadium, undersupported nowhere to a premiership club. The financial fair play rules seem to do nothing.

As a last note - "There is no incentive whatsoever for people to come and watch this season." I would've thought watching was incentive enough in itself - no club can make promises at the start of a season beyond completing the fixture list (and that's not even a guarantee if financial meltdown occurs). What you're really asking for is for a generous owner to bankrupt themselves signing players to encourage supporters to show up and support. That's not the deal as I understand it.

Yes, there should be a plan, yes there should be ambition but if the money's not there, then it's not there, and staying away certainly isn't going to improve the situation. I've always been of the opinion that people who really want to attend do regardless (which is why attendances have been fairly constant for the past few years regardless of where we've been in the league pyramid) - people who want to call themselves supporters but don't like the hassle of actually supporting will jump on any excuse not to go and call it a protest or whatever. Not accusing anyone in particular, just an observation.
Good post '84 , spot on
Hear, hear.
[quote][p][bold]Bassett Hound[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Swindon1984[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The Nomis[/bold] wrote: Still only ONE perm signing...tick tock tick tock. This club ain't going anywhere apart from backwards!!. Sod loan signings, we need our OWN players because at the end of every season the loan players return to their parent clubs and then at the beginning of the next season we are back at square one again!!!. This time last year we were told we are rebuilding for this season, we haven't built **** all. We are back in the same position as we were 12 months ago and it will be the same again in 12 months time, no progress. No wonder ticket sales are down. No experienced players signed, no one exciting signed that may attract a few, just one average kid from Oldham signed perm and a couple of kids on loan!. There is no incentive whatsoever for people to come and watch this season. Bumped into an old Town fan yesterday who says he ain't going anymore cos he doesn't trust the board, feels there is no ambition whatsoever, expensive match day tickets etc and their are plenty more like him too. If you want bums on seats Mr Power then show some **** ambition, sign some experienced players. Cheltenham have signed 8 players, Yeovil have signed 9 players. Hate to think it, but it looks like we have fallen way behind those type of small clubs!!. Who would of ever thought that[/p][/quote]Would think that's fairly simple to answer - solidarity payments for Championship clubs stand at £2.3 million rather than the £360k for those in division 1. Even after relegation, Yeovil will have money burning a hole in their pocket. Take the Berkshire ******** as another example, £60 million in parachute payments over a four year period after being relegated from the prem - you can see exactly how the gulf is opening up by rewarding failure. Whereas our little soiree into the prem in 94 crippled the club financially as we couldn't hold onto the players who got us there following relegation, clubs are now encouraged to go for break getting promotion as even when they get relegated there's a safety net meaning they'll be in a better position than anyone else to challenge for promotion again. I know this has been said countless times but if we haven't got the money to sign first team players permanently, the best we can do is hang on to what we have and get a few loan players in to bulk out the numbers. That's not a situation anyone including myself is entirely happy with but that's the situation we're in. The old contradiction comes up here as well - people aren't buying season tickets and matchday tickets because we haven't signed any players. Well we're definitely not going to be able to sign any players if the revenue drops off are we? It seems almost ludicrous to some fans that we haven't got someone bankrolling our relatively small club for millions of pounds - it seems ludicrous and wrong to me that anyone should be expected to! The whole setup is wrong - each club should stand on it's own two feet to achieve any level of success it gets. If they did Crawley wouldn't be in league 1, the likes of Bournemouth, and Reading wouldn't be in the Championship and Wigan and QPR would not have been premiership clubs. If funded solely by revenue rather than bankrolled by investors the premiership would be the top half plus about half the clubs in the Championship languishing and dreaming of past glories like Wolves/Leeds/Forest/ Birmimgham etc. As it stands any team who attracts interest from an oil baron or big businessman can go from three sided stadium, undersupported nowhere to a premiership club. The financial fair play rules seem to do nothing. As a last note - "There is no incentive whatsoever for people to come and watch this season." I would've thought watching was incentive enough in itself - no club can make promises at the start of a season beyond completing the fixture list (and that's not even a guarantee if financial meltdown occurs). What you're really asking for is for a generous owner to bankrupt themselves signing players to encourage supporters to show up and support. That's not the deal as I understand it. Yes, there should be a plan, yes there should be ambition but if the money's not there, then it's not there, and staying away certainly isn't going to improve the situation. I've always been of the opinion that people who really want to attend do regardless (which is why attendances have been fairly constant for the past few years regardless of where we've been in the league pyramid) - people who want to call themselves supporters but don't like the hassle of actually supporting will jump on any excuse not to go and call it a protest or whatever. Not accusing anyone in particular, just an observation.[/p][/quote]Good post '84 , spot on[/p][/quote]Hear, hear. umpcah
  • Score: 3

10:47am Thu 7 Aug 14

STFCLee says...

It Will be interesting to see what Saturdays attendance is compared to last seasons first home game ...
It Will be interesting to see what Saturdays attendance is compared to last seasons first home game ... STFCLee
  • Score: 0

10:51am Thu 7 Aug 14

umpcah says...

STFCLee wrote:
It Will be interesting to see what Saturdays attendance is compared to last seasons first home game ...
It will also be interesting to see how soon Nathan gets booked !
[quote][p][bold]STFCLee[/bold] wrote: It Will be interesting to see what Saturdays attendance is compared to last seasons first home game ...[/p][/quote]It will also be interesting to see how soon Nathan gets booked ! umpcah
  • Score: -1

10:56am Thu 7 Aug 14

lifelong red says...

Excellent post 84 - not sure I"d be overthrilled if big investors were to come into the club anyway- we all know what can happen if they decide to pull out . I'm satisfied enough with the road the club is going down at present , like picking up young talent who are surplus to requirments at other clubs - Byrne, Mass, Barker , Smith, - and from non- league - Gladwin - Branco- Kasim - as well as bringing on our own - the thompsons-Waldron- Randall - Marshall - Storey , working on them , getting rid of all the rough edges and trying to turn them into good , solid pros . I for one find this much more gratifying than spending millions.
Excellent post 84 - not sure I"d be overthrilled if big investors were to come into the club anyway- we all know what can happen if they decide to pull out . I'm satisfied enough with the road the club is going down at present , like picking up young talent who are surplus to requirments at other clubs - Byrne, Mass, Barker , Smith, - and from non- league - Gladwin - Branco- Kasim - as well as bringing on our own - the thompsons-Waldron- Randall - Marshall - Storey , working on them , getting rid of all the rough edges and trying to turn them into good , solid pros . I for one find this much more gratifying than spending millions. lifelong red
  • Score: 7

10:59am Thu 7 Aug 14

red white says...

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https://dub125.mail. live.com/default.asp x?tid=cmkeEY9REe5BGk MAAeC8zJrg2&fid=flin box red white
  • Score: -3

11:19am Thu 7 Aug 14

South Stand says...

red white wrote:
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[quote][p][bold]red white[/bold] wrote: https://dub125.mail. live.com/default.asp x?tid=cmkeEY9REe5BGk MAAeC8zJrg2&fid= flin box[/p][/quote]Whatever it was it's not there anymore, unless I'm missing something. South Stand
  • Score: 1

12:23pm Thu 7 Aug 14

Forevered says...

umpcah wrote:
STFCLee wrote:
It Will be interesting to see what Saturdays attendance is compared to last seasons first home game ...
It will also be interesting to see how soon Nathan gets booked !
Thompson like his brother plays with heart and passion. A quality not every player in the STFC shirt has shown over the years! Give the lad a break for Christ sake does it really matter how long it takes before he gets booked or if he gets booked? He plays the game firm but fair! I have had the pleasure of speaking to him and his brother and both are gentlemen, nothing malicious about their game, and a credit to our club!
[quote][p][bold]umpcah[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]STFCLee[/bold] wrote: It Will be interesting to see what Saturdays attendance is compared to last seasons first home game ...[/p][/quote]It will also be interesting to see how soon Nathan gets booked ![/p][/quote]Thompson like his brother plays with heart and passion. A quality not every player in the STFC shirt has shown over the years! Give the lad a break for Christ sake does it really matter how long it takes before he gets booked or if he gets booked? He plays the game firm but fair! I have had the pleasure of speaking to him and his brother and both are gentlemen, nothing malicious about their game, and a credit to our club! Forevered
  • Score: 3

12:56pm Thu 7 Aug 14

Oi Den! says...

Bassett Hound wrote:
Swindon1984 wrote:
The Nomis wrote:
Still only ONE perm signing...tick tock tick tock. This club ain't going anywhere apart from backwards!!. Sod loan signings, we need our OWN players because at the end of every season the loan players return to their parent clubs and then at the beginning of the next season we are back at square one again!!!. This time last year we were told we are rebuilding for this season, we haven't built **** all. We are back in the same position as we were 12 months ago and it will be the same again in 12 months time, no progress. No wonder ticket sales are down. No experienced players signed, no one exciting signed that may attract a few, just one average kid from Oldham signed perm and a couple of kids on loan!. There is no incentive whatsoever for people to come and watch this season. Bumped into an old Town fan yesterday who says he ain't going anymore cos he doesn't trust the board, feels there is no ambition whatsoever, expensive match day tickets etc and their are plenty more like him too. If you want bums on seats Mr Power then show some **** ambition, sign some experienced players. Cheltenham have signed 8 players, Yeovil have signed 9 players. Hate to think it, but it looks like we have fallen way behind those type of small clubs!!. Who would of ever thought that
Would think that's fairly simple to answer - solidarity payments for Championship clubs stand at £2.3 million rather than the £360k for those in division 1. Even after relegation, Yeovil will have money burning a hole in their pocket. Take the Berkshire ******** as another example, £60 million in parachute payments over a four year period after being relegated from the prem - you can see exactly how the gulf is opening up by rewarding failure. Whereas our little soiree into the prem in 94 crippled the club financially as we couldn't hold onto the players who got us there following relegation, clubs are now encouraged to go for break getting promotion as even when they get relegated there's a safety net meaning they'll be in a better position than anyone else to challenge for promotion again.

I know this has been said countless times but if we haven't got the money to sign first team players permanently, the best we can do is hang on to what we have and get a few loan players in to bulk out the numbers. That's not a situation anyone including myself is entirely happy with but that's the situation we're in.

The old contradiction comes up here as well - people aren't buying season tickets and matchday tickets because we haven't signed any players. Well we're definitely not going to be able to sign any players if the revenue drops off are we? It seems almost ludicrous to some fans that we haven't got someone bankrolling our relatively small club for millions of pounds - it seems ludicrous and wrong to me that anyone should be expected to! The whole setup is wrong - each club should stand on it's own two feet to achieve any level of success it gets. If they did Crawley wouldn't be in league 1, the likes of Bournemouth, and Reading wouldn't be in the Championship and Wigan and QPR would not have been premiership clubs. If funded solely by revenue rather than bankrolled by investors the premiership would be the top half plus about half the clubs in the Championship languishing and dreaming of past glories like Wolves/Leeds/Forest/


Birmimgham etc. As it stands any team who attracts interest from an oil baron or big businessman can go from three sided stadium, undersupported nowhere to a premiership club. The financial fair play rules seem to do nothing.

As a last note - "There is no incentive whatsoever for people to come and watch this season." I would've thought watching was incentive enough in itself - no club can make promises at the start of a season beyond completing the fixture list (and that's not even a guarantee if financial meltdown occurs). What you're really asking for is for a generous owner to bankrupt themselves signing players to encourage supporters to show up and support. That's not the deal as I understand it.

Yes, there should be a plan, yes there should be ambition but if the money's not there, then it's not there, and staying away certainly isn't going to improve the situation. I've always been of the opinion that people who really want to attend do regardless (which is why attendances have been fairly constant for the past few years regardless of where we've been in the league pyramid) - people who want to call themselves supporters but don't like the hassle of actually supporting will jump on any excuse not to go and call it a protest or whatever. Not accusing anyone in particular, just an observation.
Good post '84 , spot on
But are we really so badly off relative to our rivals that we have to be scrabbling around for loan players with two days to go? If we get these 3 players in, we'll be happy for now but it will only be a short-term fix. We keep getting told we should be grateful to have a club. How long do we have to carry on being grateful? The town of Swindon may not be very good at supporting its team but we will still be well into the top half of the attendance table this season. Maybe it's actually the club that should be grateful to have a hardcore support that is the envy of many of our rivals. It would be nice to hear Cooper or Power say that we are working towards a position where we can have our own team, built through good youth development, good scouting and canny transfer dealing, to replace the short-term mutual back scratching that we rely on so heavily at the moment. We are in the third tier of English football. We don't need Premier League players; we need good third division players or players working towards that level. Such players needn't cost the earth.
[quote][p][bold]Bassett Hound[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Swindon1984[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The Nomis[/bold] wrote: Still only ONE perm signing...tick tock tick tock. This club ain't going anywhere apart from backwards!!. Sod loan signings, we need our OWN players because at the end of every season the loan players return to their parent clubs and then at the beginning of the next season we are back at square one again!!!. This time last year we were told we are rebuilding for this season, we haven't built **** all. We are back in the same position as we were 12 months ago and it will be the same again in 12 months time, no progress. No wonder ticket sales are down. No experienced players signed, no one exciting signed that may attract a few, just one average kid from Oldham signed perm and a couple of kids on loan!. There is no incentive whatsoever for people to come and watch this season. Bumped into an old Town fan yesterday who says he ain't going anymore cos he doesn't trust the board, feels there is no ambition whatsoever, expensive match day tickets etc and their are plenty more like him too. If you want bums on seats Mr Power then show some **** ambition, sign some experienced players. Cheltenham have signed 8 players, Yeovil have signed 9 players. Hate to think it, but it looks like we have fallen way behind those type of small clubs!!. Who would of ever thought that[/p][/quote]Would think that's fairly simple to answer - solidarity payments for Championship clubs stand at £2.3 million rather than the £360k for those in division 1. Even after relegation, Yeovil will have money burning a hole in their pocket. Take the Berkshire ******** as another example, £60 million in parachute payments over a four year period after being relegated from the prem - you can see exactly how the gulf is opening up by rewarding failure. Whereas our little soiree into the prem in 94 crippled the club financially as we couldn't hold onto the players who got us there following relegation, clubs are now encouraged to go for break getting promotion as even when they get relegated there's a safety net meaning they'll be in a better position than anyone else to challenge for promotion again. I know this has been said countless times but if we haven't got the money to sign first team players permanently, the best we can do is hang on to what we have and get a few loan players in to bulk out the numbers. That's not a situation anyone including myself is entirely happy with but that's the situation we're in. The old contradiction comes up here as well - people aren't buying season tickets and matchday tickets because we haven't signed any players. Well we're definitely not going to be able to sign any players if the revenue drops off are we? It seems almost ludicrous to some fans that we haven't got someone bankrolling our relatively small club for millions of pounds - it seems ludicrous and wrong to me that anyone should be expected to! The whole setup is wrong - each club should stand on it's own two feet to achieve any level of success it gets. If they did Crawley wouldn't be in league 1, the likes of Bournemouth, and Reading wouldn't be in the Championship and Wigan and QPR would not have been premiership clubs. If funded solely by revenue rather than bankrolled by investors the premiership would be the top half plus about half the clubs in the Championship languishing and dreaming of past glories like Wolves/Leeds/Forest/ Birmimgham etc. As it stands any team who attracts interest from an oil baron or big businessman can go from three sided stadium, undersupported nowhere to a premiership club. The financial fair play rules seem to do nothing. As a last note - "There is no incentive whatsoever for people to come and watch this season." I would've thought watching was incentive enough in itself - no club can make promises at the start of a season beyond completing the fixture list (and that's not even a guarantee if financial meltdown occurs). What you're really asking for is for a generous owner to bankrupt themselves signing players to encourage supporters to show up and support. That's not the deal as I understand it. Yes, there should be a plan, yes there should be ambition but if the money's not there, then it's not there, and staying away certainly isn't going to improve the situation. I've always been of the opinion that people who really want to attend do regardless (which is why attendances have been fairly constant for the past few years regardless of where we've been in the league pyramid) - people who want to call themselves supporters but don't like the hassle of actually supporting will jump on any excuse not to go and call it a protest or whatever. Not accusing anyone in particular, just an observation.[/p][/quote]Good post '84 , spot on[/p][/quote]But are we really so badly off relative to our rivals that we have to be scrabbling around for loan players with two days to go? If we get these 3 players in, we'll be happy for now but it will only be a short-term fix. We keep getting told we should be grateful to have a club. How long do we have to carry on being grateful? The town of Swindon may not be very good at supporting its team but we will still be well into the top half of the attendance table this season. Maybe it's actually the club that should be grateful to have a hardcore support that is the envy of many of our rivals. It would be nice to hear Cooper or Power say that we are working towards a position where we can have our own team, built through good youth development, good scouting and canny transfer dealing, to replace the short-term mutual back scratching that we rely on so heavily at the moment. We are in the third tier of English football. We don't need Premier League players; we need good third division players or players working towards that level. Such players needn't cost the earth. Oi Den!
  • Score: -1

12:56pm Thu 7 Aug 14

Fernham Red says...

Swindon1984 wrote:
The Nomis wrote:
Still only ONE perm signing...tick tock tick tock. This club ain't going anywhere apart from backwards!!. Sod loan signings, we need our OWN players because at the end of every season the loan players return to their parent clubs and then at the beginning of the next season we are back at square one again!!!. This time last year we were told we are rebuilding for this season, we haven't built **** all. We are back in the same position as we were 12 months ago and it will be the same again in 12 months time, no progress. No wonder ticket sales are down. No experienced players signed, no one exciting signed that may attract a few, just one average kid from Oldham signed perm and a couple of kids on loan!. There is no incentive whatsoever for people to come and watch this season. Bumped into an old Town fan yesterday who says he ain't going anymore cos he doesn't trust the board, feels there is no ambition whatsoever, expensive match day tickets etc and their are plenty more like him too. If you want bums on seats Mr Power then show some **** ambition, sign some experienced players. Cheltenham have signed 8 players, Yeovil have signed 9 players. Hate to think it, but it looks like we have fallen way behind those type of small clubs!!. Who would of ever thought that
Would think that's fairly simple to answer - solidarity payments for Championship clubs stand at £2.3 million rather than the £360k for those in division 1. Even after relegation, Yeovil will have money burning a hole in their pocket. Take the Berkshire ******** as another example, £60 million in parachute payments over a four year period after being relegated from the prem - you can see exactly how the gulf is opening up by rewarding failure. Whereas our little soiree into the prem in 94 crippled the club financially as we couldn't hold onto the players who got us there following relegation, clubs are now encouraged to go for break getting promotion as even when they get relegated there's a safety net meaning they'll be in a better position than anyone else to challenge for promotion again.

I know this has been said countless times but if we haven't got the money to sign first team players permanently, the best we can do is hang on to what we have and get a few loan players in to bulk out the numbers. That's not a situation anyone including myself is entirely happy with but that's the situation we're in.

The old contradiction comes up here as well - people aren't buying season tickets and matchday tickets because we haven't signed any players. Well we're definitely not going to be able to sign any players if the revenue drops off are we? It seems almost ludicrous to some fans that we haven't got someone bankrolling our relatively small club for millions of pounds - it seems ludicrous and wrong to me that anyone should be expected to! The whole setup is wrong - each club should stand on it's own two feet to achieve any level of success it gets. If they did Crawley wouldn't be in league 1, the likes of Bournemouth, and Reading wouldn't be in the Championship and Wigan and QPR would not have been premiership clubs. If funded solely by revenue rather than bankrolled by investors the premiership would be the top half plus about half the clubs in the Championship languishing and dreaming of past glories like Wolves/Leeds/Forest/

Birmimgham etc. As it stands any team who attracts interest from an oil baron or big businessman can go from three sided stadium, undersupported nowhere to a premiership club. The financial fair play rules seem to do nothing.

As a last note - "There is no incentive whatsoever for people to come and watch this season." I would've thought watching was incentive enough in itself - no club can make promises at the start of a season beyond completing the fixture list (and that's not even a guarantee if financial meltdown occurs). What you're really asking for is for a generous owner to bankrupt themselves signing players to encourage supporters to show up and support. That's not the deal as I understand it.

Yes, there should be a plan, yes there should be ambition but if the money's not there, then it's not there, and staying away certainly isn't going to improve the situation. I've always been of the opinion that people who really want to attend do regardless (which is why attendances have been fairly constant for the past few years regardless of where we've been in the league pyramid) - people who want to call themselves supporters but don't like the hassle of actually supporting will jump on any excuse not to go and call it a protest or whatever. Not accusing anyone in particular, just an observation.
Spot on 1984
[quote][p][bold]Swindon1984[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The Nomis[/bold] wrote: Still only ONE perm signing...tick tock tick tock. This club ain't going anywhere apart from backwards!!. Sod loan signings, we need our OWN players because at the end of every season the loan players return to their parent clubs and then at the beginning of the next season we are back at square one again!!!. This time last year we were told we are rebuilding for this season, we haven't built **** all. We are back in the same position as we were 12 months ago and it will be the same again in 12 months time, no progress. No wonder ticket sales are down. No experienced players signed, no one exciting signed that may attract a few, just one average kid from Oldham signed perm and a couple of kids on loan!. There is no incentive whatsoever for people to come and watch this season. Bumped into an old Town fan yesterday who says he ain't going anymore cos he doesn't trust the board, feels there is no ambition whatsoever, expensive match day tickets etc and their are plenty more like him too. If you want bums on seats Mr Power then show some **** ambition, sign some experienced players. Cheltenham have signed 8 players, Yeovil have signed 9 players. Hate to think it, but it looks like we have fallen way behind those type of small clubs!!. Who would of ever thought that[/p][/quote]Would think that's fairly simple to answer - solidarity payments for Championship clubs stand at £2.3 million rather than the £360k for those in division 1. Even after relegation, Yeovil will have money burning a hole in their pocket. Take the Berkshire ******** as another example, £60 million in parachute payments over a four year period after being relegated from the prem - you can see exactly how the gulf is opening up by rewarding failure. Whereas our little soiree into the prem in 94 crippled the club financially as we couldn't hold onto the players who got us there following relegation, clubs are now encouraged to go for break getting promotion as even when they get relegated there's a safety net meaning they'll be in a better position than anyone else to challenge for promotion again. I know this has been said countless times but if we haven't got the money to sign first team players permanently, the best we can do is hang on to what we have and get a few loan players in to bulk out the numbers. That's not a situation anyone including myself is entirely happy with but that's the situation we're in. The old contradiction comes up here as well - people aren't buying season tickets and matchday tickets because we haven't signed any players. Well we're definitely not going to be able to sign any players if the revenue drops off are we? It seems almost ludicrous to some fans that we haven't got someone bankrolling our relatively small club for millions of pounds - it seems ludicrous and wrong to me that anyone should be expected to! The whole setup is wrong - each club should stand on it's own two feet to achieve any level of success it gets. If they did Crawley wouldn't be in league 1, the likes of Bournemouth, and Reading wouldn't be in the Championship and Wigan and QPR would not have been premiership clubs. If funded solely by revenue rather than bankrolled by investors the premiership would be the top half plus about half the clubs in the Championship languishing and dreaming of past glories like Wolves/Leeds/Forest/ Birmimgham etc. As it stands any team who attracts interest from an oil baron or big businessman can go from three sided stadium, undersupported nowhere to a premiership club. The financial fair play rules seem to do nothing. As a last note - "There is no incentive whatsoever for people to come and watch this season." I would've thought watching was incentive enough in itself - no club can make promises at the start of a season beyond completing the fixture list (and that's not even a guarantee if financial meltdown occurs). What you're really asking for is for a generous owner to bankrupt themselves signing players to encourage supporters to show up and support. That's not the deal as I understand it. Yes, there should be a plan, yes there should be ambition but if the money's not there, then it's not there, and staying away certainly isn't going to improve the situation. I've always been of the opinion that people who really want to attend do regardless (which is why attendances have been fairly constant for the past few years regardless of where we've been in the league pyramid) - people who want to call themselves supporters but don't like the hassle of actually supporting will jump on any excuse not to go and call it a protest or whatever. Not accusing anyone in particular, just an observation.[/p][/quote]Spot on 1984 Fernham Red
  • Score: 1

1:32pm Thu 7 Aug 14

Davidsyrett says...

port de soller wrote:
It does unfortunately feel like doom and gloom.No money,short on investment and reading between the lines players will be sold.Lat season gates were good,season tickets are down(500) they say,budget cut again,high earners have gone.Think we have 3 left.
I just fear for the club now,like many tried to remain positive but what do we have to believe in???? MC is a Puppet LP I think has put in money that soon he will want back.No sign of investment.
Swindon Borough Council could have assisted STFC by Building a new stadium but alas no.The Club needs backing if there lucky enough to get it again let¨s hope they do a better job of it as over 2 years with last lot no wonder AB had enough.
Do hope they can survive yet hand on heart I doubt it very much.
Plus for these daily Stories Adver forget the repetition just print NEW NEWS
Pretty negative Port, lets see how we're doing after ten games or so before making too many assumptions.

One thing I do agree with though is the new stadium, unless we get one, we're never likely to progress much further than where we are now. Only have to look locally at the success of Brighton and Reading to see how we could be transformed. But it's not really down to the council, it's the club who have to find investors to fund it.
[quote][p][bold]port de soller[/bold] wrote: It does unfortunately feel like doom and gloom.No money,short on investment and reading between the lines players will be sold.Lat season gates were good,season tickets are down(500) they say,budget cut again,high earners have gone.Think we have 3 left. I just fear for the club now,like many tried to remain positive but what do we have to believe in???? MC is a Puppet LP I think has put in money that soon he will want back.No sign of investment. Swindon Borough Council could have assisted STFC by Building a new stadium but alas no.The Club needs backing if there lucky enough to get it again let¨s hope they do a better job of it as over 2 years with last lot no wonder AB had enough. Do hope they can survive yet hand on heart I doubt it very much. Plus for these daily Stories Adver forget the repetition just print NEW NEWS[/p][/quote]Pretty negative Port, lets see how we're doing after ten games or so before making too many assumptions. One thing I do agree with though is the new stadium, unless we get one, we're never likely to progress much further than where we are now. Only have to look locally at the success of Brighton and Reading to see how we could be transformed. But it's not really down to the council, it's the club who have to find investors to fund it. Davidsyrett
  • Score: 1

2:45pm Thu 7 Aug 14

Davey Gravey says...

I think Nathan will be on the back foot more often than going forward. In for a tough season I think.
I think Nathan will be on the back foot more often than going forward. In for a tough season I think. Davey Gravey
  • Score: -2

6:26pm Thu 7 Aug 14

dazzastfc says...

Cleuso wrote:
dazzastfc wrote:
Anyone know if we have a plan B..Or are we all happy with what is coming out from cooper and co
Oh for another cliche today just what we want from the tactical genius called DazzaSTFC.

All summer to come up with something new and all the can come up with is a trawled out this old chestnut which is repeated by fans all across every web site and radio phone around the country for every team from Man C to the lowest performing team in the country.

Just to think we haven't yet seen plan A, whatever that is -(every game is different), in competitive action yet !!
Do you fell better now ????.
If you are so happy lets talk about it on Saturday..
I will be in the tap and barrel from 1.15 and the other 18 sad people who dislike my quotes are all very very welcome...
SEE YOU ALL SATURDAY
[quote][p][bold]Cleuso[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]dazzastfc[/bold] wrote: Anyone know if we have a plan B..Or are we all happy with what is coming out from cooper and co[/p][/quote]Oh for another cliche today just what we want from the tactical genius called DazzaSTFC. All summer to come up with something new and all the can come up with is a trawled out this old chestnut which is repeated by fans all across every web site and radio phone around the country for every team from Man C to the lowest performing team in the country. Just to think we haven't yet seen plan A, whatever that is -(every game is different), in competitive action yet !![/p][/quote]Do you fell better now ????. If you are so happy lets talk about it on Saturday.. I will be in the tap and barrel from 1.15 and the other 18 sad people who dislike my quotes are all very very welcome... SEE YOU ALL SATURDAY dazzastfc
  • Score: -2

6:40pm Thu 7 Aug 14

dazzastfc says...

Steaming-in wrote:
Cleuso wrote:
dazzastfc wrote:
Anyone know if we have a plan B..Or are we all happy with what is coming out from cooper and co
Oh for another cliche today just what we want from the tactical genius called DazzaSTFC.

All summer to come up with something new and all the can come up with is a trawled out this old chestnut which is repeated by fans all across every web site and radio phone around the country for every team from Man C to the lowest performing team in the country.

Just to think we haven't yet seen plan A, whatever that is -(every game is different), in competitive action yet !!
You can tell Dazza doesn't go a watch the Town (or either he doesn't actually recognise what he's looking at).

Even on a very basic level, we typically played 4-5-1 last season but have worked on a 3-5-2 this pre-season. It would bizarre to suggest that the coaching staff just abandon the principles of last season or that the players have somehow forgotten their responsibilities in that system.

You can add to this the fact that we noticeably changed our ethos last season in a 4-5-1 after Smith came in. We were far more direct and by that I mean we looked to play forward as soon as we could (not long ball but looking to play into forward positions).

So, even in my little mind, we've 3 developed approaches that most of the squad are familiar with.

I also think there's variation in the 3-5-2 depending on who supports Smith (Williams, Gladwin, Barker and possibly even Randall).

Interesting times and, by the way, I think a mid-table position will be good result (and a realistic one based on our squad and budget). However, this will inevitable be secured with flirtations with the bottom 4 at times and it's up to use to not be knee-jerk and get behind them!

Can't wait for Saturday!
So WHY has Kasim come out and said he dont no what system they are playing and cooper has said this is the way we must play as we eat with knife and forks...
Last season I thought was boring pass pass pass lose the ball GOAL But that is how i see it..
So who do you think you are to try and tell a person what they can and can not see or how they read the game ???

AND YES I DO WATCH MY TEAM PLAY..
Not every game but as often as i can...

I will be in the townend on Saturday if you wish to TRY and belittle me to me face ?
[quote][p][bold]Steaming-in[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Cleuso[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]dazzastfc[/bold] wrote: Anyone know if we have a plan B..Or are we all happy with what is coming out from cooper and co[/p][/quote]Oh for another cliche today just what we want from the tactical genius called DazzaSTFC. All summer to come up with something new and all the can come up with is a trawled out this old chestnut which is repeated by fans all across every web site and radio phone around the country for every team from Man C to the lowest performing team in the country. Just to think we haven't yet seen plan A, whatever that is -(every game is different), in competitive action yet !![/p][/quote]You can tell Dazza doesn't go a watch the Town (or either he doesn't actually recognise what he's looking at). Even on a very basic level, we typically played 4-5-1 last season but have worked on a 3-5-2 this pre-season. It would bizarre to suggest that the coaching staff just abandon the principles of last season or that the players have somehow forgotten their responsibilities in that system. You can add to this the fact that we noticeably changed our ethos last season in a 4-5-1 after Smith came in. We were far more direct and by that I mean we looked to play forward as soon as we could (not long ball but looking to play into forward positions). So, even in my little mind, we've 3 developed approaches that most of the squad are familiar with. I also think there's variation in the 3-5-2 depending on who supports Smith (Williams, Gladwin, Barker and possibly even Randall). Interesting times and, by the way, I think a mid-table position will be good result (and a realistic one based on our squad and budget). However, this will inevitable be secured with flirtations with the bottom 4 at times and it's up to use to not be knee-jerk and get behind them! Can't wait for Saturday![/p][/quote]So WHY has Kasim come out and said he dont no what system they are playing and cooper has said this is the way we must play as we eat with knife and forks... Last season I thought was boring pass pass pass lose the ball GOAL But that is how i see it.. So who do you think you are to try and tell a person what they can and can not see or how they read the game ??? AND YES I DO WATCH MY TEAM PLAY.. Not every game but as often as i can... I will be in the townend on Saturday if you wish to TRY and belittle me to me face ? dazzastfc
  • Score: -2

1:45am Sat 9 Aug 14

mancrobin says...

Oi Den! wrote:
Bassett Hound wrote:
Swindon1984 wrote:
The Nomis wrote:
Still only ONE perm signing...tick tock tick tock. This club ain't going anywhere apart from backwards!!. Sod loan signings, we need our OWN players because at the end of every season the loan players return to their parent clubs and then at the beginning of the next season we are back at square one again!!!. This time last year we were told we are rebuilding for this season, we haven't built **** all. We are back in the same position as we were 12 months ago and it will be the same again in 12 months time, no progress. No wonder ticket sales are down. No experienced players signed, no one exciting signed that may attract a few, just one average kid from Oldham signed perm and a couple of kids on loan!. There is no incentive whatsoever for people to come and watch this season. Bumped into an old Town fan yesterday who says he ain't going anymore cos he doesn't trust the board, feels there is no ambition whatsoever, expensive match day tickets etc and their are plenty more like him too. If you want bums on seats Mr Power then show some **** ambition, sign some experienced players. Cheltenham have signed 8 players, Yeovil have signed 9 players. Hate to think it, but it looks like we have fallen way behind those type of small clubs!!. Who would of ever thought that
Would think that's fairly simple to answer - solidarity payments for Championship clubs stand at £2.3 million rather than the £360k for those in division 1. Even after relegation, Yeovil will have money burning a hole in their pocket. Take the Berkshire ******** as another example, £60 million in parachute payments over a four year period after being relegated from the prem - you can see exactly how the gulf is opening up by rewarding failure. Whereas our little soiree into the prem in 94 crippled the club financially as we couldn't hold onto the players who got us there following relegation, clubs are now encouraged to go for break getting promotion as even when they get relegated there's a safety net meaning they'll be in a better position than anyone else to challenge for promotion again.

I know this has been said countless times but if we haven't got the money to sign first team players permanently, the best we can do is hang on to what we have and get a few loan players in to bulk out the numbers. That's not a situation anyone including myself is entirely happy with but that's the situation we're in.

The old contradiction comes up here as well - people aren't buying season tickets and matchday tickets because we haven't signed any players. Well we're definitely not going to be able to sign any players if the revenue drops off are we? It seems almost ludicrous to some fans that we haven't got someone bankrolling our relatively small club for millions of pounds - it seems ludicrous and wrong to me that anyone should be expected to! The whole setup is wrong - each club should stand on it's own two feet to achieve any level of success it gets. If they did Crawley wouldn't be in league 1, the likes of Bournemouth, and Reading wouldn't be in the Championship and Wigan and QPR would not have been premiership clubs. If funded solely by revenue rather than bankrolled by investors the premiership would be the top half plus about half the clubs in the Championship languishing and dreaming of past glories like Wolves/Leeds/Forest/



Birmimgham etc. As it stands any team who attracts interest from an oil baron or big businessman can go from three sided stadium, undersupported nowhere to a premiership club. The financial fair play rules seem to do nothing.

As a last note - "There is no incentive whatsoever for people to come and watch this season." I would've thought watching was incentive enough in itself - no club can make promises at the start of a season beyond completing the fixture list (and that's not even a guarantee if financial meltdown occurs). What you're really asking for is for a generous owner to bankrupt themselves signing players to encourage supporters to show up and support. That's not the deal as I understand it.

Yes, there should be a plan, yes there should be ambition but if the money's not there, then it's not there, and staying away certainly isn't going to improve the situation. I've always been of the opinion that people who really want to attend do regardless (which is why attendances have been fairly constant for the past few years regardless of where we've been in the league pyramid) - people who want to call themselves supporters but don't like the hassle of actually supporting will jump on any excuse not to go and call it a protest or whatever. Not accusing anyone in particular, just an observation.
Good post '84 , spot on
But are we really so badly off relative to our rivals that we have to be scrabbling around for loan players with two days to go? If we get these 3 players in, we'll be happy for now but it will only be a short-term fix. We keep getting told we should be grateful to have a club. How long do we have to carry on being grateful? The town of Swindon may not be very good at supporting its team but we will still be well into the top half of the attendance table this season. Maybe it's actually the club that should be grateful to have a hardcore support that is the envy of many of our rivals. It would be nice to hear Cooper or Power say that we are working towards a position where we can have our own team, built through good youth development, good scouting and canny transfer dealing, to replace the short-term mutual back scratching that we rely on so heavily at the moment. We are in the third tier of English football. We don't need Premier League players; we need good third division players or players working towards that level. Such players needn't cost the earth.
Yes, with two days to go we are that badly off. I hope, with patience and good judgement we get to the point you describe.

We are where we are at Den.
[quote][p][bold]Oi Den![/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Bassett Hound[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Swindon1984[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The Nomis[/bold] wrote: Still only ONE perm signing...tick tock tick tock. This club ain't going anywhere apart from backwards!!. Sod loan signings, we need our OWN players because at the end of every season the loan players return to their parent clubs and then at the beginning of the next season we are back at square one again!!!. This time last year we were told we are rebuilding for this season, we haven't built **** all. We are back in the same position as we were 12 months ago and it will be the same again in 12 months time, no progress. No wonder ticket sales are down. No experienced players signed, no one exciting signed that may attract a few, just one average kid from Oldham signed perm and a couple of kids on loan!. There is no incentive whatsoever for people to come and watch this season. Bumped into an old Town fan yesterday who says he ain't going anymore cos he doesn't trust the board, feels there is no ambition whatsoever, expensive match day tickets etc and their are plenty more like him too. If you want bums on seats Mr Power then show some **** ambition, sign some experienced players. Cheltenham have signed 8 players, Yeovil have signed 9 players. Hate to think it, but it looks like we have fallen way behind those type of small clubs!!. Who would of ever thought that[/p][/quote]Would think that's fairly simple to answer - solidarity payments for Championship clubs stand at £2.3 million rather than the £360k for those in division 1. Even after relegation, Yeovil will have money burning a hole in their pocket. Take the Berkshire ******** as another example, £60 million in parachute payments over a four year period after being relegated from the prem - you can see exactly how the gulf is opening up by rewarding failure. Whereas our little soiree into the prem in 94 crippled the club financially as we couldn't hold onto the players who got us there following relegation, clubs are now encouraged to go for break getting promotion as even when they get relegated there's a safety net meaning they'll be in a better position than anyone else to challenge for promotion again. I know this has been said countless times but if we haven't got the money to sign first team players permanently, the best we can do is hang on to what we have and get a few loan players in to bulk out the numbers. That's not a situation anyone including myself is entirely happy with but that's the situation we're in. The old contradiction comes up here as well - people aren't buying season tickets and matchday tickets because we haven't signed any players. Well we're definitely not going to be able to sign any players if the revenue drops off are we? It seems almost ludicrous to some fans that we haven't got someone bankrolling our relatively small club for millions of pounds - it seems ludicrous and wrong to me that anyone should be expected to! The whole setup is wrong - each club should stand on it's own two feet to achieve any level of success it gets. If they did Crawley wouldn't be in league 1, the likes of Bournemouth, and Reading wouldn't be in the Championship and Wigan and QPR would not have been premiership clubs. If funded solely by revenue rather than bankrolled by investors the premiership would be the top half plus about half the clubs in the Championship languishing and dreaming of past glories like Wolves/Leeds/Forest/ Birmimgham etc. As it stands any team who attracts interest from an oil baron or big businessman can go from three sided stadium, undersupported nowhere to a premiership club. The financial fair play rules seem to do nothing. As a last note - "There is no incentive whatsoever for people to come and watch this season." I would've thought watching was incentive enough in itself - no club can make promises at the start of a season beyond completing the fixture list (and that's not even a guarantee if financial meltdown occurs). What you're really asking for is for a generous owner to bankrupt themselves signing players to encourage supporters to show up and support. That's not the deal as I understand it. Yes, there should be a plan, yes there should be ambition but if the money's not there, then it's not there, and staying away certainly isn't going to improve the situation. I've always been of the opinion that people who really want to attend do regardless (which is why attendances have been fairly constant for the past few years regardless of where we've been in the league pyramid) - people who want to call themselves supporters but don't like the hassle of actually supporting will jump on any excuse not to go and call it a protest or whatever. Not accusing anyone in particular, just an observation.[/p][/quote]Good post '84 , spot on[/p][/quote]But are we really so badly off relative to our rivals that we have to be scrabbling around for loan players with two days to go? If we get these 3 players in, we'll be happy for now but it will only be a short-term fix. We keep getting told we should be grateful to have a club. How long do we have to carry on being grateful? The town of Swindon may not be very good at supporting its team but we will still be well into the top half of the attendance table this season. Maybe it's actually the club that should be grateful to have a hardcore support that is the envy of many of our rivals. It would be nice to hear Cooper or Power say that we are working towards a position where we can have our own team, built through good youth development, good scouting and canny transfer dealing, to replace the short-term mutual back scratching that we rely on so heavily at the moment. We are in the third tier of English football. We don't need Premier League players; we need good third division players or players working towards that level. Such players needn't cost the earth.[/p][/quote]Yes, with two days to go we are that badly off. I hope, with patience and good judgement we get to the point you describe. We are where we are at Den. mancrobin
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