SWINDON TOWN: Town sign Lelan from Derby

Josh Lelan PICTURE COURTESY OF DERBY COUNTY

Josh Lelan PICTURE COURTESY OF DERBY COUNTY

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SWINDON Town have confirmed the signing of defender Josh Lelan from Derby County on a month-long youth loan.

Lelan, 19, has yet to make an appearance for his parent club, though he did spend some time out on loan at Gateshead last season, making four appearances.

The centre-half has been selected by England at under 18 level in the recent past and will be with the Robins up to and including their home clash with Crewe on August 23.

The youngster has joined up with the rest of the Town squad for training this morning.

 

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10:13am Wed 23 Jul 14

STFC Boyo says...

That's not along loan.What's the point of that month.
That's not along loan.What's the point of that month. STFC Boyo
  • Score: -5

10:14am Wed 23 Jul 14

STFC Boyo says...

What's the point of a month loan.Don't under stand that.
What's the point of a month loan.Don't under stand that. STFC Boyo
  • Score: -9

10:18am Wed 23 Jul 14

EastleazeRed says...

That's all we can afford :-D
That's all we can afford :-D EastleazeRed
  • Score: -4

10:28am Wed 23 Jul 14

The artist formerly known as Marmite Soldier says...

Does that mean we're more, or less likely to get Jack Stephens? Will this chap fill in for a month until Stephen's' future is resolved perhaps?
Does that mean we're more, or less likely to get Jack Stephens? Will this chap fill in for a month until Stephen's' future is resolved perhaps? The artist formerly known as Marmite Soldier
  • Score: 0

10:35am Wed 23 Jul 14

Swindonian63 says...

Perhaps an initial month to assess him with a view to more?
Perhaps an initial month to assess him with a view to more? Swindonian63
  • Score: 24

10:48am Wed 23 Jul 14

JimboSTFC says...

Getting frustrating borrowing a team, you need a solid spine to be successful at any level. One months loan doesn't help get a settled shape/side. We had enough partnerships at the back last year, which ended up being our undoing.
Getting frustrating borrowing a team, you need a solid spine to be successful at any level. One months loan doesn't help get a settled shape/side. We had enough partnerships at the back last year, which ended up being our undoing. JimboSTFC
  • Score: 8

10:58am Wed 23 Jul 14

Terence1882 says...

A month long trial
A month long trial Terence1882
  • Score: 10

11:05am Wed 23 Jul 14

dreamofacleansheet2 says...

Flippin heck. Why don't we give Power/Cooper/William
s a break and let them put the team together. Frankly from a terrible position they did a pretty good job last year. Let's judge them on the field. They may well have done a lot of research on him, think he will be perfect for us and have agreed subject to the initial trial to take him for longer. Thus protecting the club from his wages if he isn't as good as they feel he will be.

Eminently sensible if that's what they've done.

Here's hoping for Stephens and a few others.

COYR
Flippin heck. Why don't we give Power/Cooper/William s a break and let them put the team together. Frankly from a terrible position they did a pretty good job last year. Let's judge them on the field. They may well have done a lot of research on him, think he will be perfect for us and have agreed subject to the initial trial to take him for longer. Thus protecting the club from his wages if he isn't as good as they feel he will be. Eminently sensible if that's what they've done. Here's hoping for Stephens and a few others. COYR dreamofacleansheet2
  • Score: 59

11:16am Wed 23 Jul 14

redbythesea says...

We know only too well, that some people only come on here to satisfy their negativity urges, however, sometimes the club don't help themselves by the lack of clarity in some of their communications. I'm sure there is a very good reason why the loan is only for a month, the only slight problem being, they don't think the fans need to know what it is.
We know only too well, that some people only come on here to satisfy their negativity urges, however, sometimes the club don't help themselves by the lack of clarity in some of their communications. I'm sure there is a very good reason why the loan is only for a month, the only slight problem being, they don't think the fans need to know what it is. redbythesea
  • Score: 18

11:19am Wed 23 Jul 14

mhughes1977 says...

is he running the grand national in the photo?
is he running the grand national in the photo? mhughes1977
  • Score: 5

11:36am Wed 23 Jul 14

London Red says...

Cooper and Power have both said we are looking at 4 loans - 2 CBs, 1 LB and 1 CF
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I would therefore, think this has no impact on Stephens as that still leaves another CB
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I would have thought as some have suggested that this could be a "trial" to see if he has enough about thim to extend for the year - maybe as an alternative to the other initial CB lined up as they were all meant to be Premiership - which Derby are not
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As for filling our squad or borrowing a team is 4 really doing that?
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That is only a tiny percentage of our squad comapred to our own players!
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19 Full time Pros (ex Ward and Harley), 2 Scholars and potentially 3 or 4 loanees to make a squad of 25 - so that is over 75% Perm STFC players and about 85% if Scholars included - pretty much an STFC squad if you ask me!
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First team too is likely to be 8 or 9 STFC players - so again 75-80%
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Squad
Foderingham - STFC
Belford - STFC
N.Thompson - STFC
Barthram - STFC
Byrne - STFC
Jones - STFC
Branco - STFC
Antonio - STFC
De Costa - STFC
Luongo - STFC
L.Thompson - STFC
Kasim - STFC
Rodgers - STFC
Gladwin - STFC
Tijane - STFC
Williams - STFC
Smith - STFC
Barker - STFC
Waldon - STFC
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Randell - STFC Scholar
Marshall - STFC Scholar
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Lelan - Loan
Stephens (?) - Loan
Smith (?) - Loan
A.Other (?) - Loan
Cooper and Power have both said we are looking at 4 loans - 2 CBs, 1 LB and 1 CF . I would therefore, think this has no impact on Stephens as that still leaves another CB . I would have thought as some have suggested that this could be a "trial" to see if he has enough about thim to extend for the year - maybe as an alternative to the other initial CB lined up as they were all meant to be Premiership - which Derby are not . As for filling our squad or borrowing a team is 4 really doing that? . That is only a tiny percentage of our squad comapred to our own players! . 19 Full time Pros (ex Ward and Harley), 2 Scholars and potentially 3 or 4 loanees to make a squad of 25 - so that is over 75% Perm STFC players and about 85% if Scholars included - pretty much an STFC squad if you ask me! . First team too is likely to be 8 or 9 STFC players - so again 75-80% . Squad Foderingham - STFC Belford - STFC N.Thompson - STFC Barthram - STFC Byrne - STFC Jones - STFC Branco - STFC Antonio - STFC De Costa - STFC Luongo - STFC L.Thompson - STFC Kasim - STFC Rodgers - STFC Gladwin - STFC Tijane - STFC Williams - STFC Smith - STFC Barker - STFC Waldon - STFC -------------------- ------------ Randell - STFC Scholar Marshall - STFC Scholar -------------------- ------------ Lelan - Loan Stephens (?) - Loan Smith (?) - Loan A.Other (?) - Loan London Red
  • Score: 11

11:42am Wed 23 Jul 14

Lunchtime Red says...

Another youngster with no league experience. Pretty soon we will have a whole team with an average age of 19. I guess he was available to us at little cost but this is where we are up to at the moment.
It is risky going into the new season without experienced players and the new guys such as Lelan will take time to get up to the pace of the league. If he is good enough after one month, then we will want to keep him longer and Derby would be happy with that too you would think.
Another youngster with no league experience. Pretty soon we will have a whole team with an average age of 19. I guess he was available to us at little cost but this is where we are up to at the moment. It is risky going into the new season without experienced players and the new guys such as Lelan will take time to get up to the pace of the league. If he is good enough after one month, then we will want to keep him longer and Derby would be happy with that too you would think. Lunchtime Red
  • Score: -9

11:43am Wed 23 Jul 14

billbst says...

I imagine that training is also impacted when we are so short of CBs. Smithy and Andy need a fresh face with a bit of physicality to challenge them. Hopefully the lad will bring this.
I imagine that training is also impacted when we are so short of CBs. Smithy and Andy need a fresh face with a bit of physicality to challenge them. Hopefully the lad will bring this. billbst
  • Score: -2

11:46am Wed 23 Jul 14

Archive Robin says...

Hi All

On the length of this guys loan I guess it is safe to assume that they want to look at him first to see how he fits in and plays alongside say Branco or whoever we have - it could also be that maybe they are looking to pair him with Stephens (hopefully we'll get him) and also have him as cover. I think they are right with the loan deal as we came a bit unstuck last season with Hall being signed on a season long loan and not quite up to scratch - obviously different circumstances due to the other players signed but I can understand their thinking. Talking of Grant Hall it's interesting to see Birmingham have signed him on a season long loan.
Hi All On the length of this guys loan I guess it is safe to assume that they want to look at him first to see how he fits in and plays alongside say Branco or whoever we have - it could also be that maybe they are looking to pair him with Stephens (hopefully we'll get him) and also have him as cover. I think they are right with the loan deal as we came a bit unstuck last season with Hall being signed on a season long loan and not quite up to scratch - obviously different circumstances due to the other players signed but I can understand their thinking. Talking of Grant Hall it's interesting to see Birmingham have signed him on a season long loan. Archive Robin
  • Score: 6

11:58am Wed 23 Jul 14

London Red says...

Archive Robin wrote:
Hi All On the length of this guys loan I guess it is safe to assume that they want to look at him first to see how he fits in and plays alongside say Branco or whoever we have - it could also be that maybe they are looking to pair him with Stephens (hopefully we'll get him) and also have him as cover. I think they are right with the loan deal as we came a bit unstuck last season with Hall being signed on a season long loan and not quite up to scratch - obviously different circumstances due to the other players signed but I can understand their thinking. Talking of Grant Hall it's interesting to see Birmingham have signed him on a season long loan.
I don't think its that "interesting" as I think he was made a scape goat by too many here
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When he dropped out injured and Troy firest came in we actually got WORSE defensively!
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It was only post Wolves when Ward went out and Stephens came in that we tightened up at the back
.
Had Hall had a chance to play as the LCB alongside Troy and Stephens I'm certain we would have seen a difference and the view on him would be totally different now
.
I'm sure he will do very well at Brum this year - lets also not forget they rate him highly that they initally went in for him last year and then paid to have a no break clause added to the loan this year!
.
No he was not perfect and yes he did make mistakes - but so did everyone - I just think the whole Ward/Hall partnership was a disaster which led to Hall looking wrose than he actually is!
[quote][p][bold]Archive Robin[/bold] wrote: Hi All On the length of this guys loan I guess it is safe to assume that they want to look at him first to see how he fits in and plays alongside say Branco or whoever we have - it could also be that maybe they are looking to pair him with Stephens (hopefully we'll get him) and also have him as cover. I think they are right with the loan deal as we came a bit unstuck last season with Hall being signed on a season long loan and not quite up to scratch - obviously different circumstances due to the other players signed but I can understand their thinking. Talking of Grant Hall it's interesting to see Birmingham have signed him on a season long loan.[/p][/quote]I don't think its that "interesting" as I think he was made a scape goat by too many here . When he dropped out injured and Troy firest came in we actually got WORSE defensively! . It was only post Wolves when Ward went out and Stephens came in that we tightened up at the back . Had Hall had a chance to play as the LCB alongside Troy and Stephens I'm certain we would have seen a difference and the view on him would be totally different now . I'm sure he will do very well at Brum this year - lets also not forget they rate him highly that they initally went in for him last year and then paid to have a no break clause added to the loan this year! . No he was not perfect and yes he did make mistakes - but so did everyone - I just think the whole Ward/Hall partnership was a disaster which led to Hall looking wrose than he actually is! London Red
  • Score: 15

11:58am Wed 23 Jul 14

Terence1882 says...

Is there anyone know where is Calvin Kalinga, is he still with the youngsters or left the club with his boot on the neck as he came. I wish him lucky wherever he is.
Is there anyone know where is Calvin Kalinga, is he still with the youngsters or left the club with his boot on the neck as he came. I wish him lucky wherever he is. Terence1882
  • Score: -2

12:07pm Wed 23 Jul 14

glenda hoddle says...

This is a joke now. This looks a terible loan. Hes never played a game for derby and loaned out to gateshead. GATESHEAD. We are in deep trouble imo. Smith and williams up top. a s..t manager . No stephens no scouse lad. No spurs players No investment. No hope. Im rearly worryed.
This is a joke now. This looks a terible loan. Hes never played a game for derby and loaned out to gateshead. GATESHEAD. We are in deep trouble imo. Smith and williams up top. a s..t manager . No stephens no scouse lad. No spurs players No investment. No hope. Im rearly worryed. glenda hoddle
  • Score: -59

12:31pm Wed 23 Jul 14

Archive Robin says...

London Red wrote:
Archive Robin wrote:
Hi All On the length of this guys loan I guess it is safe to assume that they want to look at him first to see how he fits in and plays alongside say Branco or whoever we have - it could also be that maybe they are looking to pair him with Stephens (hopefully we'll get him) and also have him as cover. I think they are right with the loan deal as we came a bit unstuck last season with Hall being signed on a season long loan and not quite up to scratch - obviously different circumstances due to the other players signed but I can understand their thinking. Talking of Grant Hall it's interesting to see Birmingham have signed him on a season long loan.
I don't think its that "interesting" as I think he was made a scape goat by too many here
.
When he dropped out injured and Troy firest came in we actually got WORSE defensively!
.
It was only post Wolves when Ward went out and Stephens came in that we tightened up at the back
.
Had Hall had a chance to play as the LCB alongside Troy and Stephens I'm certain we would have seen a difference and the view on him would be totally different now
.
I'm sure he will do very well at Brum this year - lets also not forget they rate him highly that they initally went in for him last year and then paid to have a no break clause added to the loan this year!
.
No he was not perfect and yes he did make mistakes - but so did everyone - I just think the whole Ward/Hall partnership was a disaster which led to Hall looking wrose than he actually is!
Hi LR

Can't disagree with that assessment and would also agree that he was the scapegoat for many last season and you could also argue that in his defence he was put into a lot of situations by his colleagues and the occasional wayward short pass and didn't seem to get the required help from Ward who had his own problems last year. I'm fairly optimistic for the new season and looking forward to seeing how we fare after a seasons experience - it's always an unpredictable ride with STFC as I've seen that in the best part of 43 years support you just tend to find that some people have a very low patience level with regards to our players but that's part of life. Whatever happens during the season I will renew as normal next year - health willing.
[quote][p][bold]London Red[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Archive Robin[/bold] wrote: Hi All On the length of this guys loan I guess it is safe to assume that they want to look at him first to see how he fits in and plays alongside say Branco or whoever we have - it could also be that maybe they are looking to pair him with Stephens (hopefully we'll get him) and also have him as cover. I think they are right with the loan deal as we came a bit unstuck last season with Hall being signed on a season long loan and not quite up to scratch - obviously different circumstances due to the other players signed but I can understand their thinking. Talking of Grant Hall it's interesting to see Birmingham have signed him on a season long loan.[/p][/quote]I don't think its that "interesting" as I think he was made a scape goat by too many here . When he dropped out injured and Troy firest came in we actually got WORSE defensively! . It was only post Wolves when Ward went out and Stephens came in that we tightened up at the back . Had Hall had a chance to play as the LCB alongside Troy and Stephens I'm certain we would have seen a difference and the view on him would be totally different now . I'm sure he will do very well at Brum this year - lets also not forget they rate him highly that they initally went in for him last year and then paid to have a no break clause added to the loan this year! . No he was not perfect and yes he did make mistakes - but so did everyone - I just think the whole Ward/Hall partnership was a disaster which led to Hall looking wrose than he actually is![/p][/quote]Hi LR Can't disagree with that assessment and would also agree that he was the scapegoat for many last season and you could also argue that in his defence he was put into a lot of situations by his colleagues and the occasional wayward short pass and didn't seem to get the required help from Ward who had his own problems last year. I'm fairly optimistic for the new season and looking forward to seeing how we fare after a seasons experience - it's always an unpredictable ride with STFC as I've seen that in the best part of 43 years support you just tend to find that some people have a very low patience level with regards to our players but that's part of life. Whatever happens during the season I will renew as normal next year - health willing. Archive Robin
  • Score: 3

12:46pm Wed 23 Jul 14

Swindon1984 says...

dreamofacleansheet2 wrote:
Flippin heck. Why don't we give Power/Cooper/William s a break and let them put the team together. Frankly from a terrible position they did a pretty good job last year. Let's judge them on the field. They may well have done a lot of research on him, think he will be perfect for us and have agreed subject to the initial trial to take him for longer. Thus protecting the club from his wages if he isn't as good as they feel he will be. Eminently sensible if that's what they've done. Here's hoping for Stephens and a few others. COYR
Bingo. I'm amazed really that people are so negative - look at it this way, it's one more centre half than we had yesterday! So how can this be a bad thing? Ideally yes we'd have ready made senior pros with good experience signed on two or three year deals but it's not going to happen. Got him for a month? See if he does well, maybe get him back for longer if so. If not, we've lost nothing. Represented the national team at under 18 level, ok that doesn't mean he's a world beater but obviously has potential as not everyone gets selected.

Would love for the negativity to go from the stands too as although it can be frustrating to watch sometimes, players will only play without fear if they feel they won't get berated for the first mistake they make. I'd much rather see a bloke shoot from distance and miss than we make twenty passes around the box and lose it as we did at points last year. But as I say, if the players aren't confident and being cheered on, they'll offload the ball rather than take responsibility. Roar them on from the get go and maybe they'll get out of the trap a bit quicker and with more purpose.

LR - you may well be right about Hall, he didn't do particuarly well for us and we can only judge him on that but obviously greater football minds than mine rate him highly, hence him going to Brum. The worst I ever saw Hall play was at left back and really can't blame him for the position he was chucked into, daresay he didn't want to be playing there any more than we wanted him to.
[quote][p][bold]dreamofacleansheet2[/bold] wrote: Flippin heck. Why don't we give Power/Cooper/William s a break and let them put the team together. Frankly from a terrible position they did a pretty good job last year. Let's judge them on the field. They may well have done a lot of research on him, think he will be perfect for us and have agreed subject to the initial trial to take him for longer. Thus protecting the club from his wages if he isn't as good as they feel he will be. Eminently sensible if that's what they've done. Here's hoping for Stephens and a few others. COYR[/p][/quote]Bingo. I'm amazed really that people are so negative - look at it this way, it's one more centre half than we had yesterday! So how can this be a bad thing? Ideally yes we'd have ready made senior pros with good experience signed on two or three year deals but it's not going to happen. Got him for a month? See if he does well, maybe get him back for longer if so. If not, we've lost nothing. Represented the national team at under 18 level, ok that doesn't mean he's a world beater but obviously has potential as not everyone gets selected. Would love for the negativity to go from the stands too as although it can be frustrating to watch sometimes, players will only play without fear if they feel they won't get berated for the first mistake they make. I'd much rather see a bloke shoot from distance and miss than we make twenty passes around the box and lose it as we did at points last year. But as I say, if the players aren't confident and being cheered on, they'll offload the ball rather than take responsibility. Roar them on from the get go and maybe they'll get out of the trap a bit quicker and with more purpose. LR - you may well be right about Hall, he didn't do particuarly well for us and we can only judge him on that but obviously greater football minds than mine rate him highly, hence him going to Brum. The worst I ever saw Hall play was at left back and really can't blame him for the position he was chucked into, daresay he didn't want to be playing there any more than we wanted him to. Swindon1984
  • Score: 9

12:57pm Wed 23 Jul 14

Swindon1984 says...

glenda hoddle wrote:
This is a joke now. This looks a terible loan. Hes never played a game for derby and loaned out to gateshead. GATESHEAD. We are in deep trouble imo. Smith and williams up top. a s..t manager . No stephens no scouse lad. No spurs players No investment. No hope. Im rearly worryed.
Are you a wind up merchant or what? Ok, he's been loaned out to Gateshead, the club's decision not his. Hasn't played a senior game for Derby? So what, he's a young player and they're a championship team. Dossevi was a full international - reputations don't really count for much against the current form of a player, and having played for a big club or a small one is no guarantee of quality. For example, Pericard played for Juventus and we got Charlie Austin from Poole Town. Who was more effective for us?

All joking aside the club don't seem to be able to do right for doing wrong. Not enough players in the squad? We'll bring in a loan player. but we rely too much on loan players! Ok, well he's only here for a month, just to check him out. Only a month? What's the point of that then! Etc.

As far as I can see Lee Power's been very upfront in saying that there's not a huge amount of money, and we need to be sustainable, rather than the pie in the sky bull**** that McCrory came out with. Yet some still harp on about the lack of investment. We've had major sponsors pull out and have managed to replace them to keep the club going. If you can find someone to actively invest a shed load of money in the club with no strings attached to bring in big signings and storm the league, then more power to you. But I can't see it happening. We need to learn to live with our lot, and be happy we have a club to support at this level.
[quote][p][bold]glenda hoddle[/bold] wrote: This is a joke now. This looks a terible loan. Hes never played a game for derby and loaned out to gateshead. GATESHEAD. We are in deep trouble imo. Smith and williams up top. a s..t manager . No stephens no scouse lad. No spurs players No investment. No hope. Im rearly worryed.[/p][/quote]Are you a wind up merchant or what? Ok, he's been loaned out to Gateshead, the club's decision not his. Hasn't played a senior game for Derby? So what, he's a young player and they're a championship team. Dossevi was a full international - reputations don't really count for much against the current form of a player, and having played for a big club or a small one is no guarantee of quality. For example, Pericard played for Juventus and we got Charlie Austin from Poole Town. Who was more effective for us? All joking aside the club don't seem to be able to do right for doing wrong. Not enough players in the squad? We'll bring in a loan player. but we rely too much on loan players! Ok, well he's only here for a month, just to check him out. Only a month? What's the point of that then! Etc. As far as I can see Lee Power's been very upfront in saying that there's not a huge amount of money, and we need to be sustainable, rather than the pie in the sky bull**** that McCrory came out with. Yet some still harp on about the lack of investment. We've had major sponsors pull out and have managed to replace them to keep the club going. If you can find someone to actively invest a shed load of money in the club with no strings attached to bring in big signings and storm the league, then more power to you. But I can't see it happening. We need to learn to live with our lot, and be happy we have a club to support at this level. Swindon1984
  • Score: 31

1:01pm Wed 23 Jul 14

South Stand says...

glenda hoddle wrote:
This is a joke now. This looks a terible loan. Hes never played a game for derby and loaned out to gateshead. GATESHEAD. We are in deep trouble imo. Smith and williams up top. a s..t manager . No stephens no scouse lad. No spurs players No investment. No hope. Im rearly worryed.
Whatever you say dazza.
[quote][p][bold]glenda hoddle[/bold] wrote: This is a joke now. This looks a terible loan. Hes never played a game for derby and loaned out to gateshead. GATESHEAD. We are in deep trouble imo. Smith and williams up top. a s..t manager . No stephens no scouse lad. No spurs players No investment. No hope. Im rearly worryed.[/p][/quote]Whatever you say dazza. South Stand
  • Score: 7

1:06pm Wed 23 Jul 14

London Red says...

Swindon1984 wrote:
glenda hoddle wrote: This is a joke now. This looks a terible loan. Hes never played a game for derby and loaned out to gateshead. GATESHEAD. We are in deep trouble imo. Smith and williams up top. a s..t manager . No stephens no scouse lad. No spurs players No investment. No hope. Im rearly worryed.
Are you a wind up merchant or what? Ok, he's been loaned out to Gateshead, the club's decision not his. Hasn't played a senior game for Derby? So what, he's a young player and they're a championship team. Dossevi was a full international - reputations don't really count for much against the current form of a player, and having played for a big club or a small one is no guarantee of quality. For example, Pericard played for Juventus and we got Charlie Austin from Poole Town. Who was more effective for us? All joking aside the club don't seem to be able to do right for doing wrong. Not enough players in the squad? We'll bring in a loan player. but we rely too much on loan players! Ok, well he's only here for a month, just to check him out. Only a month? What's the point of that then! Etc. As far as I can see Lee Power's been very upfront in saying that there's not a huge amount of money, and we need to be sustainable, rather than the pie in the sky bull**** that McCrory came out with. Yet some still harp on about the lack of investment. We've had major sponsors pull out and have managed to replace them to keep the club going. If you can find someone to actively invest a shed load of money in the club with no strings attached to bring in big signings and storm the league, then more power to you. But I can't see it happening. We need to learn to live with our lot, and be happy we have a club to support at this level.
Lets not forget a certain very highly rated member of the current squad had never played a league game either when he arrived - his only expereince was at an even lower level via a loan at Bromley!
.
I wonder if Glenda Dazza can work out who that player is?????
[quote][p][bold]Swindon1984[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]glenda hoddle[/bold] wrote: This is a joke now. This looks a terible loan. Hes never played a game for derby and loaned out to gateshead. GATESHEAD. We are in deep trouble imo. Smith and williams up top. a s..t manager . No stephens no scouse lad. No spurs players No investment. No hope. Im rearly worryed.[/p][/quote]Are you a wind up merchant or what? Ok, he's been loaned out to Gateshead, the club's decision not his. Hasn't played a senior game for Derby? So what, he's a young player and they're a championship team. Dossevi was a full international - reputations don't really count for much against the current form of a player, and having played for a big club or a small one is no guarantee of quality. For example, Pericard played for Juventus and we got Charlie Austin from Poole Town. Who was more effective for us? All joking aside the club don't seem to be able to do right for doing wrong. Not enough players in the squad? We'll bring in a loan player. but we rely too much on loan players! Ok, well he's only here for a month, just to check him out. Only a month? What's the point of that then! Etc. As far as I can see Lee Power's been very upfront in saying that there's not a huge amount of money, and we need to be sustainable, rather than the pie in the sky bull**** that McCrory came out with. Yet some still harp on about the lack of investment. We've had major sponsors pull out and have managed to replace them to keep the club going. If you can find someone to actively invest a shed load of money in the club with no strings attached to bring in big signings and storm the league, then more power to you. But I can't see it happening. We need to learn to live with our lot, and be happy we have a club to support at this level.[/p][/quote]Lets not forget a certain very highly rated member of the current squad had never played a league game either when he arrived - his only expereince was at an even lower level via a loan at Bromley! . I wonder if Glenda Dazza can work out who that player is????? London Red
  • Score: 23

1:10pm Wed 23 Jul 14

London Red says...

Swindon1984 wrote:
dreamofacleansheet2 wrote: Flippin heck. Why don't we give Power/Cooper/William s a break and let them put the team together. Frankly from a terrible position they did a pretty good job last year. Let's judge them on the field. They may well have done a lot of research on him, think he will be perfect for us and have agreed subject to the initial trial to take him for longer. Thus protecting the club from his wages if he isn't as good as they feel he will be. Eminently sensible if that's what they've done. Here's hoping for Stephens and a few others. COYR
Bingo. I'm amazed really that people are so negative - look at it this way, it's one more centre half than we had yesterday! So how can this be a bad thing? Ideally yes we'd have ready made senior pros with good experience signed on two or three year deals but it's not going to happen. Got him for a month? See if he does well, maybe get him back for longer if so. If not, we've lost nothing. Represented the national team at under 18 level, ok that doesn't mean he's a world beater but obviously has potential as not everyone gets selected. Would love for the negativity to go from the stands too as although it can be frustrating to watch sometimes, players will only play without fear if they feel they won't get berated for the first mistake they make. I'd much rather see a bloke shoot from distance and miss than we make twenty passes around the box and lose it as we did at points last year. But as I say, if the players aren't confident and being cheered on, they'll offload the ball rather than take responsibility. Roar them on from the get go and maybe they'll get out of the trap a bit quicker and with more purpose. LR - you may well be right about Hall, he didn't do particuarly well for us and we can only judge him on that but obviously greater football minds than mine rate him highly, hence him going to Brum. The worst I ever saw Hall play was at left back and really can't blame him for the position he was chucked into, daresay he didn't want to be playing there any more than we wanted him to.
I think Archive is right in the wasn't helped out comment!
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He is young and learning so needed Ward to guide him - like flint had Macca and Ward (before his demise)
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True we can only judge on what we saw - which was not in the same class as Stephens - but I do think too many have selected memories and only remember the poor games and ignore all the decent ones he had - like MOTM perfromance away to now Premiership QPR helping keep Austin and Johnson out!
[quote][p][bold]Swindon1984[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]dreamofacleansheet2[/bold] wrote: Flippin heck. Why don't we give Power/Cooper/William s a break and let them put the team together. Frankly from a terrible position they did a pretty good job last year. Let's judge them on the field. They may well have done a lot of research on him, think he will be perfect for us and have agreed subject to the initial trial to take him for longer. Thus protecting the club from his wages if he isn't as good as they feel he will be. Eminently sensible if that's what they've done. Here's hoping for Stephens and a few others. COYR[/p][/quote]Bingo. I'm amazed really that people are so negative - look at it this way, it's one more centre half than we had yesterday! So how can this be a bad thing? Ideally yes we'd have ready made senior pros with good experience signed on two or three year deals but it's not going to happen. Got him for a month? See if he does well, maybe get him back for longer if so. If not, we've lost nothing. Represented the national team at under 18 level, ok that doesn't mean he's a world beater but obviously has potential as not everyone gets selected. Would love for the negativity to go from the stands too as although it can be frustrating to watch sometimes, players will only play without fear if they feel they won't get berated for the first mistake they make. I'd much rather see a bloke shoot from distance and miss than we make twenty passes around the box and lose it as we did at points last year. But as I say, if the players aren't confident and being cheered on, they'll offload the ball rather than take responsibility. Roar them on from the get go and maybe they'll get out of the trap a bit quicker and with more purpose. LR - you may well be right about Hall, he didn't do particuarly well for us and we can only judge him on that but obviously greater football minds than mine rate him highly, hence him going to Brum. The worst I ever saw Hall play was at left back and really can't blame him for the position he was chucked into, daresay he didn't want to be playing there any more than we wanted him to.[/p][/quote]I think Archive is right in the wasn't helped out comment! . He is young and learning so needed Ward to guide him - like flint had Macca and Ward (before his demise) . True we can only judge on what we saw - which was not in the same class as Stephens - but I do think too many have selected memories and only remember the poor games and ignore all the decent ones he had - like MOTM perfromance away to now Premiership QPR helping keep Austin and Johnson out! London Red
  • Score: 1

1:19pm Wed 23 Jul 14

MITTED says...

A strange loan on the face of it but no matter what one thinks of Power and Cooper, they are not stupid. Something else is obviously cooking in the background that is very much linked to how things proceed with this particular player.
COYR
A strange loan on the face of it but no matter what one thinks of Power and Cooper, they are not stupid. Something else is obviously cooking in the background that is very much linked to how things proceed with this particular player. COYR MITTED
  • Score: 0

1:32pm Wed 23 Jul 14

Archive Robin says...

London Red wrote:
Swindon1984 wrote:
dreamofacleansheet2 wrote: Flippin heck. Why don't we give Power/Cooper/William s a break and let them put the team together. Frankly from a terrible position they did a pretty good job last year. Let's judge them on the field. They may well have done a lot of research on him, think he will be perfect for us and have agreed subject to the initial trial to take him for longer. Thus protecting the club from his wages if he isn't as good as they feel he will be. Eminently sensible if that's what they've done. Here's hoping for Stephens and a few others. COYR
Bingo. I'm amazed really that people are so negative - look at it this way, it's one more centre half than we had yesterday! So how can this be a bad thing? Ideally yes we'd have ready made senior pros with good experience signed on two or three year deals but it's not going to happen. Got him for a month? See if he does well, maybe get him back for longer if so. If not, we've lost nothing. Represented the national team at under 18 level, ok that doesn't mean he's a world beater but obviously has potential as not everyone gets selected. Would love for the negativity to go from the stands too as although it can be frustrating to watch sometimes, players will only play without fear if they feel they won't get berated for the first mistake they make. I'd much rather see a bloke shoot from distance and miss than we make twenty passes around the box and lose it as we did at points last year. But as I say, if the players aren't confident and being cheered on, they'll offload the ball rather than take responsibility. Roar them on from the get go and maybe they'll get out of the trap a bit quicker and with more purpose. LR - you may well be right about Hall, he didn't do particuarly well for us and we can only judge him on that but obviously greater football minds than mine rate him highly, hence him going to Brum. The worst I ever saw Hall play was at left back and really can't blame him for the position he was chucked into, daresay he didn't want to be playing there any more than we wanted him to.
I think Archive is right in the wasn't helped out comment!
.
He is young and learning so needed Ward to guide him - like flint had Macca and Ward (before his demise)
.
True we can only judge on what we saw - which was not in the same class as Stephens - but I do think too many have selected memories and only remember the poor games and ignore all the decent ones he had - like MOTM perfromance away to now Premiership QPR helping keep Austin and Johnson out!
Thinking back about Hall the Stevenage home game (where their forwards kicked him fun!), the Rotherham away game, the Notts County
& Bristol City home games, and a few others showed the potential he has so good luck to him at Brum.
[quote][p][bold]London Red[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Swindon1984[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]dreamofacleansheet2[/bold] wrote: Flippin heck. Why don't we give Power/Cooper/William s a break and let them put the team together. Frankly from a terrible position they did a pretty good job last year. Let's judge them on the field. They may well have done a lot of research on him, think he will be perfect for us and have agreed subject to the initial trial to take him for longer. Thus protecting the club from his wages if he isn't as good as they feel he will be. Eminently sensible if that's what they've done. Here's hoping for Stephens and a few others. COYR[/p][/quote]Bingo. I'm amazed really that people are so negative - look at it this way, it's one more centre half than we had yesterday! So how can this be a bad thing? Ideally yes we'd have ready made senior pros with good experience signed on two or three year deals but it's not going to happen. Got him for a month? See if he does well, maybe get him back for longer if so. If not, we've lost nothing. Represented the national team at under 18 level, ok that doesn't mean he's a world beater but obviously has potential as not everyone gets selected. Would love for the negativity to go from the stands too as although it can be frustrating to watch sometimes, players will only play without fear if they feel they won't get berated for the first mistake they make. I'd much rather see a bloke shoot from distance and miss than we make twenty passes around the box and lose it as we did at points last year. But as I say, if the players aren't confident and being cheered on, they'll offload the ball rather than take responsibility. Roar them on from the get go and maybe they'll get out of the trap a bit quicker and with more purpose. LR - you may well be right about Hall, he didn't do particuarly well for us and we can only judge him on that but obviously greater football minds than mine rate him highly, hence him going to Brum. The worst I ever saw Hall play was at left back and really can't blame him for the position he was chucked into, daresay he didn't want to be playing there any more than we wanted him to.[/p][/quote]I think Archive is right in the wasn't helped out comment! . He is young and learning so needed Ward to guide him - like flint had Macca and Ward (before his demise) . True we can only judge on what we saw - which was not in the same class as Stephens - but I do think too many have selected memories and only remember the poor games and ignore all the decent ones he had - like MOTM perfromance away to now Premiership QPR helping keep Austin and Johnson out![/p][/quote]Thinking back about Hall the Stevenage home game (where their forwards kicked him fun!), the Rotherham away game, the Notts County & Bristol City home games, and a few others showed the potential he has so good luck to him at Brum. Archive Robin
  • Score: 4

1:39pm Wed 23 Jul 14

Cleuso says...

glenda hoddle wrote:
This is a joke now. This looks a terible loan. Hes never played a game for derby and loaned out to gateshead. GATESHEAD. We are in deep trouble imo. Smith and williams up top. a s..t manager . No stephens no scouse lad. No spurs players No investment. No hope. Im rearly worryed.
Actually Gateshead did pretty well in the conference last season ...of course perhaps you don't rate any one playing in the conference, yet no doubt thought Benson was doing magnificently in that league and wanted him back
[quote][p][bold]glenda hoddle[/bold] wrote: This is a joke now. This looks a terible loan. Hes never played a game for derby and loaned out to gateshead. GATESHEAD. We are in deep trouble imo. Smith and williams up top. a s..t manager . No stephens no scouse lad. No spurs players No investment. No hope. Im rearly worryed.[/p][/quote]Actually Gateshead did pretty well in the conference last season ...of course perhaps you don't rate any one playing in the conference, yet no doubt thought Benson was doing magnificently in that league and wanted him back Cleuso
  • Score: 9

2:03pm Wed 23 Jul 14

MidlandRobin says...

London Red wrote:
Cooper and Power have both said we are looking at 4 loans - 2 CBs, 1 LB and 1 CF
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I would therefore, think this has no impact on Stephens as that still leaves another CB
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I would have thought as some have suggested that this could be a "trial" to see if he has enough about thim to extend for the year - maybe as an alternative to the other initial CB lined up as they were all meant to be Premiership - which Derby are not
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As for filling our squad or borrowing a team is 4 really doing that?
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That is only a tiny percentage of our squad comapred to our own players!
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19 Full time Pros (ex Ward and Harley), 2 Scholars and potentially 3 or 4 loanees to make a squad of 25 - so that is over 75% Perm STFC players and about 85% if Scholars included - pretty much an STFC squad if you ask me!
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First team too is likely to be 8 or 9 STFC players - so again 75-80%
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Squad
Foderingham - STFC
Belford - STFC
N.Thompson - STFC
Barthram - STFC
Byrne - STFC
Jones - STFC
Branco - STFC
Antonio - STFC
De Costa - STFC
Luongo - STFC
L.Thompson - STFC
Kasim - STFC
Rodgers - STFC
Gladwin - STFC
Tijane - STFC
Williams - STFC
Smith - STFC
Barker - STFC
Waldon - STFC
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Randell - STFC Scholar
Marshall - STFC Scholar
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Lelan - Loan
Stephens (?) - Loan
Smith (?) - Loan
A.Other (?) - Loan
Where's the essential experience for this division? When the heads drop away from home as they did last season too often. Who's going to be there to pick them up?

Cooper is no inspiration when the going gets tough. You only have to watch him in the dugout, or listen to him on the radio or watch a post match interview. There's nothing there.

Is Cooper scared of signing experienced players? Too much of a threat to his authority?

Hope I'm really wrong, but we could potentially be bottom four come Christmas if nothing is done. GOOD SOLID EXPERIENCED signings need to be made before the season starts.
[quote][p][bold]London Red[/bold] wrote: Cooper and Power have both said we are looking at 4 loans - 2 CBs, 1 LB and 1 CF . I would therefore, think this has no impact on Stephens as that still leaves another CB . I would have thought as some have suggested that this could be a "trial" to see if he has enough about thim to extend for the year - maybe as an alternative to the other initial CB lined up as they were all meant to be Premiership - which Derby are not . As for filling our squad or borrowing a team is 4 really doing that? . That is only a tiny percentage of our squad comapred to our own players! . 19 Full time Pros (ex Ward and Harley), 2 Scholars and potentially 3 or 4 loanees to make a squad of 25 - so that is over 75% Perm STFC players and about 85% if Scholars included - pretty much an STFC squad if you ask me! . First team too is likely to be 8 or 9 STFC players - so again 75-80% . Squad Foderingham - STFC Belford - STFC N.Thompson - STFC Barthram - STFC Byrne - STFC Jones - STFC Branco - STFC Antonio - STFC De Costa - STFC Luongo - STFC L.Thompson - STFC Kasim - STFC Rodgers - STFC Gladwin - STFC Tijane - STFC Williams - STFC Smith - STFC Barker - STFC Waldon - STFC -------------------- ------------ Randell - STFC Scholar Marshall - STFC Scholar -------------------- ------------ Lelan - Loan Stephens (?) - Loan Smith (?) - Loan A.Other (?) - Loan[/p][/quote]Where's the essential experience for this division? When the heads drop away from home as they did last season too often. Who's going to be there to pick them up? Cooper is no inspiration when the going gets tough. You only have to watch him in the dugout, or listen to him on the radio or watch a post match interview. There's nothing there. Is Cooper scared of signing experienced players? Too much of a threat to his authority? Hope I'm really wrong, but we could potentially be bottom four come Christmas if nothing is done. GOOD SOLID EXPERIENCED signings need to be made before the season starts. MidlandRobin
  • Score: -12

2:07pm Wed 23 Jul 14

jacksdad1 says...

As ever lets see where we are at after 10 -12 games .............
As ever lets see where we are at after 10 -12 games ............. jacksdad1
  • Score: 5

2:11pm Wed 23 Jul 14

Oxon-Red says...

mhughes1977 wrote:
is he running the grand national in the photo?
He is at Epsom ,about to load into the stalls with 1.5 miles ahead !

Let's hope he is a thoroughbred that stays :-)

COYMR
[quote][p][bold]mhughes1977[/bold] wrote: is he running the grand national in the photo?[/p][/quote]He is at Epsom ,about to load into the stalls with 1.5 miles ahead ! Let's hope he is a thoroughbred that stays :-) COYMR Oxon-Red
  • Score: -1

2:23pm Wed 23 Jul 14

The Nomis says...

No wonder season ticket sales are down. On the day ticket sales will also be down. No experience, No ambition!. Bottom 4 finish I predict. Club's really moving forward, going backwards more like. Then in a few months time all you happy clappers will be on here moaning. I said the same thing when Jed & Co first arrived and vented my worries on here but was told to be quiet, give them a chance etc etc etc but I was right and all you happy clappers looked rather silly!
No wonder season ticket sales are down. On the day ticket sales will also be down. No experience, No ambition!. Bottom 4 finish I predict. Club's really moving forward, going backwards more like. Then in a few months time all you happy clappers will be on here moaning. I said the same thing when Jed & Co first arrived and vented my worries on here but was told to be quiet, give them a chance etc etc etc but I was right and all you happy clappers looked rather silly! The Nomis
  • Score: -31

2:51pm Wed 23 Jul 14

oz ashes says...

The Nomis wrote:
No wonder season ticket sales are down. On the day ticket sales will also be down. No experience, No ambition!. Bottom 4 finish I predict. Club's really moving forward, going backwards more like. Then in a few months time all you happy clappers will be on here moaning. I said the same thing when Jed & Co first arrived and vented my worries on here but was told to be quiet, give them a chance etc etc etc but I was right and all you happy clappers looked rather silly!
and we finished where last season t@at after jeds takeover
[quote][p][bold]The Nomis[/bold] wrote: No wonder season ticket sales are down. On the day ticket sales will also be down. No experience, No ambition!. Bottom 4 finish I predict. Club's really moving forward, going backwards more like. Then in a few months time all you happy clappers will be on here moaning. I said the same thing when Jed & Co first arrived and vented my worries on here but was told to be quiet, give them a chance etc etc etc but I was right and all you happy clappers looked rather silly![/p][/quote]and we finished where last season t@at after jeds takeover oz ashes
  • Score: 7

2:55pm Wed 23 Jul 14

London Red says...

MidlandRobin wrote:
London Red wrote: Cooper and Power have both said we are looking at 4 loans - 2 CBs, 1 LB and 1 CF . I would therefore, think this has no impact on Stephens as that still leaves another CB . I would have thought as some have suggested that this could be a "trial" to see if he has enough about thim to extend for the year - maybe as an alternative to the other initial CB lined up as they were all meant to be Premiership - which Derby are not . As for filling our squad or borrowing a team is 4 really doing that? . That is only a tiny percentage of our squad comapred to our own players! . 19 Full time Pros (ex Ward and Harley), 2 Scholars and potentially 3 or 4 loanees to make a squad of 25 - so that is over 75% Perm STFC players and about 85% if Scholars included - pretty much an STFC squad if you ask me! . First team too is likely to be 8 or 9 STFC players - so again 75-80% . Squad Foderingham - STFC Belford - STFC N.Thompson - STFC Barthram - STFC Byrne - STFC Jones - STFC Branco - STFC Antonio - STFC De Costa - STFC Luongo - STFC L.Thompson - STFC Kasim - STFC Rodgers - STFC Gladwin - STFC Tijane - STFC Williams - STFC Smith - STFC Barker - STFC Waldon - STFC -------------------- ------------ Randell - STFC Scholar Marshall - STFC Scholar -------------------- ------------ Lelan - Loan Stephens (?) - Loan Smith (?) - Loan A.Other (?) - Loan
Where's the essential experience for this division? When the heads drop away from home as they did last season too often. Who's going to be there to pick them up? Cooper is no inspiration when the going gets tough. You only have to watch him in the dugout, or listen to him on the radio or watch a post match interview. There's nothing there. Is Cooper scared of signing experienced players? Too much of a threat to his authority? Hope I'm really wrong, but we could potentially be bottom four come Christmas if nothing is done. GOOD SOLID EXPERIENCED signings need to be made before the season starts.
Where were the "GOOD SOLID EXPERIENCED" players when we ended the season with our best run in over 25 years - including beating Brentford, Sheff U and Preston?????
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It was the likes of Louis Thompson who shone in those games!
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Who was in charge of that run?
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Thats right it was Cooper and his change in system and formation!
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We had this relegation fodder spiel all last year and we were never once in danger of relegation
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Wes, N.Thompson, Byrne, Luongo, L.Thompson, Kasim, Smith and Williams are the spine of our squad and all have expereince in L1 and as they are all now more experienced than last year - I'm more certain than last year we will be top half!
[quote][p][bold]MidlandRobin[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]London Red[/bold] wrote: Cooper and Power have both said we are looking at 4 loans - 2 CBs, 1 LB and 1 CF . I would therefore, think this has no impact on Stephens as that still leaves another CB . I would have thought as some have suggested that this could be a "trial" to see if he has enough about thim to extend for the year - maybe as an alternative to the other initial CB lined up as they were all meant to be Premiership - which Derby are not . As for filling our squad or borrowing a team is 4 really doing that? . That is only a tiny percentage of our squad comapred to our own players! . 19 Full time Pros (ex Ward and Harley), 2 Scholars and potentially 3 or 4 loanees to make a squad of 25 - so that is over 75% Perm STFC players and about 85% if Scholars included - pretty much an STFC squad if you ask me! . First team too is likely to be 8 or 9 STFC players - so again 75-80% . Squad Foderingham - STFC Belford - STFC N.Thompson - STFC Barthram - STFC Byrne - STFC Jones - STFC Branco - STFC Antonio - STFC De Costa - STFC Luongo - STFC L.Thompson - STFC Kasim - STFC Rodgers - STFC Gladwin - STFC Tijane - STFC Williams - STFC Smith - STFC Barker - STFC Waldon - STFC -------------------- ------------ Randell - STFC Scholar Marshall - STFC Scholar -------------------- ------------ Lelan - Loan Stephens (?) - Loan Smith (?) - Loan A.Other (?) - Loan[/p][/quote]Where's the essential experience for this division? When the heads drop away from home as they did last season too often. Who's going to be there to pick them up? Cooper is no inspiration when the going gets tough. You only have to watch him in the dugout, or listen to him on the radio or watch a post match interview. There's nothing there. Is Cooper scared of signing experienced players? Too much of a threat to his authority? Hope I'm really wrong, but we could potentially be bottom four come Christmas if nothing is done. GOOD SOLID EXPERIENCED signings need to be made before the season starts.[/p][/quote]Where were the "GOOD SOLID EXPERIENCED" players when we ended the season with our best run in over 25 years - including beating Brentford, Sheff U and Preston????? . It was the likes of Louis Thompson who shone in those games! . Who was in charge of that run? . Thats right it was Cooper and his change in system and formation! . . We had this relegation fodder spiel all last year and we were never once in danger of relegation . Wes, N.Thompson, Byrne, Luongo, L.Thompson, Kasim, Smith and Williams are the spine of our squad and all have expereince in L1 and as they are all now more experienced than last year - I'm more certain than last year we will be top half! London Red
  • Score: 10

2:56pm Wed 23 Jul 14

The Nomis says...

oz ashes wrote:
The Nomis wrote: No wonder season ticket sales are down. On the day ticket sales will also be down. No experience, No ambition!. Bottom 4 finish I predict. Club's really moving forward, going backwards more like. Then in a few months time all you happy clappers will be on here moaning. I said the same thing when Jed & Co first arrived and vented my worries on here but was told to be quiet, give them a chance etc etc etc but I was right and all you happy clappers looked rather silly!
and we finished where last season t@at after jeds takeover
2 places below where we finished previously!!!! Moving forwards ay dick head
[quote][p][bold]oz ashes[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The Nomis[/bold] wrote: No wonder season ticket sales are down. On the day ticket sales will also be down. No experience, No ambition!. Bottom 4 finish I predict. Club's really moving forward, going backwards more like. Then in a few months time all you happy clappers will be on here moaning. I said the same thing when Jed & Co first arrived and vented my worries on here but was told to be quiet, give them a chance etc etc etc but I was right and all you happy clappers looked rather silly![/p][/quote]and we finished where last season t@at after jeds takeover[/p][/quote]2 places below where we finished previously!!!! Moving forwards ay dick head The Nomis
  • Score: -19

2:58pm Wed 23 Jul 14

Lambourn Red says...

The Nomis wrote:
No wonder season ticket sales are down. On the day ticket sales will also be down. No experience, No ambition!. Bottom 4 finish I predict. Club's really moving forward, going backwards more like. Then in a few months time all you happy clappers will be on here moaning. I said the same thing when Jed & Co first arrived and vented my worries on here but was told to be quiet, give them a chance etc etc etc but I was right and all you happy clappers looked rather silly!
Season Tickets are 500 down on last year and we finished 8th last season in a stronger looking league than this seasons so why the need to constantly breed negativity on here? by the time we line up against Scunthorpe we could have 4 more new additions. If we get to the end of August and we have lost Wes, Mas and the Thompsons and we are rock bottom then you may have a case but until then why the panic?
[quote][p][bold]The Nomis[/bold] wrote: No wonder season ticket sales are down. On the day ticket sales will also be down. No experience, No ambition!. Bottom 4 finish I predict. Club's really moving forward, going backwards more like. Then in a few months time all you happy clappers will be on here moaning. I said the same thing when Jed & Co first arrived and vented my worries on here but was told to be quiet, give them a chance etc etc etc but I was right and all you happy clappers looked rather silly![/p][/quote]Season Tickets are 500 down on last year and we finished 8th last season in a stronger looking league than this seasons so why the need to constantly breed negativity on here? by the time we line up against Scunthorpe we could have 4 more new additions. If we get to the end of August and we have lost Wes, Mas and the Thompsons and we are rock bottom then you may have a case but until then why the panic? Lambourn Red
  • Score: 12

3:02pm Wed 23 Jul 14

port de soller says...

One point at least theres no embargo/jed and cronies have no say in anything.There is a lot to be thankfull fr.Glad LP has stayed with us as for the wingers without his money and support STFC would not exist.Wake up smell the coffee
One point at least theres no embargo/jed and cronies have no say in anything.There is a lot to be thankfull fr.Glad LP has stayed with us as for the wingers without his money and support STFC would not exist.Wake up smell the coffee port de soller
  • Score: 5

3:19pm Wed 23 Jul 14

tobruk says...

glenda hoddle wrote:
This is a joke now. This looks a terible loan. Hes never played a game for derby and loaned out to gateshead. GATESHEAD. We are in deep trouble imo. Smith and williams up top. a s..t manager . No stephens no scouse lad. No spurs players No investment. No hope. Im rearly worryed.
This is no joke! We are not in deep trouble! Did you see the game on Monday night? I thought we were tight in defense apart from one slip up from a corner. Branco looked very solid and played a near perfect game. I thought we used the wingers well and the passing was generally immaculate. Tactically I thought we were brilliant! I have no worries about the coming season. If we play like we did on Monday we will agin finish near the top. COYR!!
[quote][p][bold]glenda hoddle[/bold] wrote: This is a joke now. This looks a terible loan. Hes never played a game for derby and loaned out to gateshead. GATESHEAD. We are in deep trouble imo. Smith and williams up top. a s..t manager . No stephens no scouse lad. No spurs players No investment. No hope. Im rearly worryed.[/p][/quote]This is no joke! We are not in deep trouble! Did you see the game on Monday night? I thought we were tight in defense apart from one slip up from a corner. Branco looked very solid and played a near perfect game. I thought we used the wingers well and the passing was generally immaculate. Tactically I thought we were brilliant! I have no worries about the coming season. If we play like we did on Monday we will agin finish near the top. COYR!! tobruk
  • Score: 8

3:24pm Wed 23 Jul 14

harley red says...

Would like to think we would get a big refund on the season ticket as we are paying to watch bloody kids . Been speaking to some mates who support other teams in our league and they all think we are a joke , I think that says it all . Like some other posts on here I do not rate cooper , I suspect he is just a cheap option can't see any other club wanting him . Power has no money so why is he here ? He's here to make money buy selling the kids on . I'm sorry to all you happy clappers but this will end in tears . Cooper is already getting excuses in about kids in the side . I like to be entertained at Stfc but last year it was pretty poor . I can't see any improvement this year as it sounds like they want to play the same crap as last year . ,!!!!
Would like to think we would get a big refund on the season ticket as we are paying to watch bloody kids . Been speaking to some mates who support other teams in our league and they all think we are a joke , I think that says it all . Like some other posts on here I do not rate cooper , I suspect he is just a cheap option can't see any other club wanting him . Power has no money so why is he here ? He's here to make money buy selling the kids on . I'm sorry to all you happy clappers but this will end in tears . Cooper is already getting excuses in about kids in the side . I like to be entertained at Stfc but last year it was pretty poor . I can't see any improvement this year as it sounds like they want to play the same crap as last year . ,!!!! harley red
  • Score: -32

3:32pm Wed 23 Jul 14

South Stand says...

The Nomis wrote:
No wonder season ticket sales are down. On the day ticket sales will also be down. No experience, No ambition!. Bottom 4 finish I predict. Club's really moving forward, going backwards more like. Then in a few months time all you happy clappers will be on here moaning. I said the same thing when Jed & Co first arrived and vented my worries on here but was told to be quiet, give them a chance etc etc etc but I was right and all you happy clappers looked rather silly!
.....and we finished in the bottom four last year of course. Don't forget that Nomates.
[quote][p][bold]The Nomis[/bold] wrote: No wonder season ticket sales are down. On the day ticket sales will also be down. No experience, No ambition!. Bottom 4 finish I predict. Club's really moving forward, going backwards more like. Then in a few months time all you happy clappers will be on here moaning. I said the same thing when Jed & Co first arrived and vented my worries on here but was told to be quiet, give them a chance etc etc etc but I was right and all you happy clappers looked rather silly![/p][/quote].....and we finished in the bottom four last year of course. Don't forget that Nomates. South Stand
  • Score: 5

3:39pm Wed 23 Jul 14

South Stand says...

harley red wrote:
Would like to think we would get a big refund on the season ticket as we are paying to watch bloody kids . Been speaking to some mates who support other teams in our league and they all think we are a joke , I think that says it all . Like some other posts on here I do not rate cooper , I suspect he is just a cheap option can't see any other club wanting him . Power has no money so why is he here ? He's here to make money buy selling the kids on . I'm sorry to all you happy clappers but this will end in tears . Cooper is already getting excuses in about kids in the side . I like to be entertained at Stfc but last year it was pretty poor . I can't see any improvement this year as it sounds like they want to play the same crap as last year . ,!!!!
Oh I see Harley has woken up, what a shame. What does he say? 'Been speaking to some mates who support other teams in our league and they all think we are a joke, I think that says it all' Haha, what very deep philosophical thinking that is. Maybe what they actually said was that they thought you were a joke.
[quote][p][bold]harley red[/bold] wrote: Would like to think we would get a big refund on the season ticket as we are paying to watch bloody kids . Been speaking to some mates who support other teams in our league and they all think we are a joke , I think that says it all . Like some other posts on here I do not rate cooper , I suspect he is just a cheap option can't see any other club wanting him . Power has no money so why is he here ? He's here to make money buy selling the kids on . I'm sorry to all you happy clappers but this will end in tears . Cooper is already getting excuses in about kids in the side . I like to be entertained at Stfc but last year it was pretty poor . I can't see any improvement this year as it sounds like they want to play the same crap as last year . ,!!!![/p][/quote]Oh I see Harley has woken up, what a shame. What does he say? 'Been speaking to some mates who support other teams in our league and they all think we are a joke, I think that says it all' Haha, what very deep philosophical thinking that is. Maybe what they actually said was that they thought you were a joke. South Stand
  • Score: 18

3:40pm Wed 23 Jul 14

South Stand says...

The Nomis wrote:
oz ashes wrote:
The Nomis wrote: No wonder season ticket sales are down. On the day ticket sales will also be down. No experience, No ambition!. Bottom 4 finish I predict. Club's really moving forward, going backwards more like. Then in a few months time all you happy clappers will be on here moaning. I said the same thing when Jed & Co first arrived and vented my worries on here but was told to be quiet, give them a chance etc etc etc but I was right and all you happy clappers looked rather silly!
and we finished where last season t@at after jeds takeover
2 places below where we finished previously!!!! Moving forwards ay dick head
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?????
[quote][p][bold]The Nomis[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]oz ashes[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The Nomis[/bold] wrote: No wonder season ticket sales are down. On the day ticket sales will also be down. No experience, No ambition!. Bottom 4 finish I predict. Club's really moving forward, going backwards more like. Then in a few months time all you happy clappers will be on here moaning. I said the same thing when Jed & Co first arrived and vented my worries on here but was told to be quiet, give them a chance etc etc etc but I was right and all you happy clappers looked rather silly![/p][/quote]and we finished where last season t@at after jeds takeover[/p][/quote]2 places below where we finished previously!!!! Moving forwards ay dick head[/p][/quote]???????????????????? ????? South Stand
  • Score: 3

3:52pm Wed 23 Jul 14

MidlandRobin says...

London Red wrote:
MidlandRobin wrote:
London Red wrote: Cooper and Power have both said we are looking at 4 loans - 2 CBs, 1 LB and 1 CF . I would therefore, think this has no impact on Stephens as that still leaves another CB . I would have thought as some have suggested that this could be a "trial" to see if he has enough about thim to extend for the year - maybe as an alternative to the other initial CB lined up as they were all meant to be Premiership - which Derby are not . As for filling our squad or borrowing a team is 4 really doing that? . That is only a tiny percentage of our squad comapred to our own players! . 19 Full time Pros (ex Ward and Harley), 2 Scholars and potentially 3 or 4 loanees to make a squad of 25 - so that is over 75% Perm STFC players and about 85% if Scholars included - pretty much an STFC squad if you ask me! . First team too is likely to be 8 or 9 STFC players - so again 75-80% . Squad Foderingham - STFC Belford - STFC N.Thompson - STFC Barthram - STFC Byrne - STFC Jones - STFC Branco - STFC Antonio - STFC De Costa - STFC Luongo - STFC L.Thompson - STFC Kasim - STFC Rodgers - STFC Gladwin - STFC Tijane - STFC Williams - STFC Smith - STFC Barker - STFC Waldon - STFC -------------------- ------------ Randell - STFC Scholar Marshall - STFC Scholar -------------------- ------------ Lelan - Loan Stephens (?) - Loan Smith (?) - Loan A.Other (?) - Loan
Where's the essential experience for this division? When the heads drop away from home as they did last season too often. Who's going to be there to pick them up? Cooper is no inspiration when the going gets tough. You only have to watch him in the dugout, or listen to him on the radio or watch a post match interview. There's nothing there. Is Cooper scared of signing experienced players? Too much of a threat to his authority? Hope I'm really wrong, but we could potentially be bottom four come Christmas if nothing is done. GOOD SOLID EXPERIENCED signings need to be made before the season starts.
Where were the "GOOD SOLID EXPERIENCED" players when we ended the season with our best run in over 25 years - including beating Brentford, Sheff U and Preston?????
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It was the likes of Louis Thompson who shone in those games!
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Who was in charge of that run?
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Thats right it was Cooper and his change in system and formation!
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We had this relegation fodder spiel all last year and we were never once in danger of relegation
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Wes, N.Thompson, Byrne, Luongo, L.Thompson, Kasim, Smith and Williams are the spine of our squad and all have expereince in L1 and as they are all now more experienced than last year - I'm more certain than last year we will be top half!
We shall see... You are entitled to your opinion, as am I.

In my view playing one season in division one at most in some cases is not sufficient experience to be particularly confident about next season.

Towards the end of last season, Cooper got lucky - Troy regained his fitness, McEveley played LB and we were fortunate to have the best young player of last season in Stephens. And without the back four including those 3 and Nathan, we would have seen a continuation of that dire 12 match run, when we were terrible. And Cooper resorted to infamous 4-6-0.

And where are the goals going to come from, especially away from home. Williams, Barker and Smith what more need I say?

Money constraints accepted, we should follow the example set by Brentford last season - strengthen the squad with experienced players and let the younger lads play around them.
[quote][p][bold]London Red[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]MidlandRobin[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]London Red[/bold] wrote: Cooper and Power have both said we are looking at 4 loans - 2 CBs, 1 LB and 1 CF . I would therefore, think this has no impact on Stephens as that still leaves another CB . I would have thought as some have suggested that this could be a "trial" to see if he has enough about thim to extend for the year - maybe as an alternative to the other initial CB lined up as they were all meant to be Premiership - which Derby are not . As for filling our squad or borrowing a team is 4 really doing that? . That is only a tiny percentage of our squad comapred to our own players! . 19 Full time Pros (ex Ward and Harley), 2 Scholars and potentially 3 or 4 loanees to make a squad of 25 - so that is over 75% Perm STFC players and about 85% if Scholars included - pretty much an STFC squad if you ask me! . First team too is likely to be 8 or 9 STFC players - so again 75-80% . Squad Foderingham - STFC Belford - STFC N.Thompson - STFC Barthram - STFC Byrne - STFC Jones - STFC Branco - STFC Antonio - STFC De Costa - STFC Luongo - STFC L.Thompson - STFC Kasim - STFC Rodgers - STFC Gladwin - STFC Tijane - STFC Williams - STFC Smith - STFC Barker - STFC Waldon - STFC -------------------- ------------ Randell - STFC Scholar Marshall - STFC Scholar -------------------- ------------ Lelan - Loan Stephens (?) - Loan Smith (?) - Loan A.Other (?) - Loan[/p][/quote]Where's the essential experience for this division? When the heads drop away from home as they did last season too often. Who's going to be there to pick them up? Cooper is no inspiration when the going gets tough. You only have to watch him in the dugout, or listen to him on the radio or watch a post match interview. There's nothing there. Is Cooper scared of signing experienced players? Too much of a threat to his authority? Hope I'm really wrong, but we could potentially be bottom four come Christmas if nothing is done. GOOD SOLID EXPERIENCED signings need to be made before the season starts.[/p][/quote]Where were the "GOOD SOLID EXPERIENCED" players when we ended the season with our best run in over 25 years - including beating Brentford, Sheff U and Preston????? . It was the likes of Louis Thompson who shone in those games! . Who was in charge of that run? . Thats right it was Cooper and his change in system and formation! . . We had this relegation fodder spiel all last year and we were never once in danger of relegation . Wes, N.Thompson, Byrne, Luongo, L.Thompson, Kasim, Smith and Williams are the spine of our squad and all have expereince in L1 and as they are all now more experienced than last year - I'm more certain than last year we will be top half![/p][/quote]We shall see... You are entitled to your opinion, as am I. In my view playing one season in division one at most in some cases is not sufficient experience to be particularly confident about next season. Towards the end of last season, Cooper got lucky - Troy regained his fitness, McEveley played LB and we were fortunate to have the best young player of last season in Stephens. And without the back four including those 3 and Nathan, we would have seen a continuation of that dire 12 match run, when we were terrible. And Cooper resorted to infamous 4-6-0. And where are the goals going to come from, especially away from home. Williams, Barker and Smith what more need I say? Money constraints accepted, we should follow the example set by Brentford last season - strengthen the squad with experienced players and let the younger lads play around them. MidlandRobin
  • Score: -1

3:54pm Wed 23 Jul 14

dbswin985 says...

JimboSTFC wrote:
Getting frustrating borrowing a team, you need a solid spine to be successful at any level. One months loan doesn't help get a settled shape/side. We had enough partnerships at the back last year, which ended up being our undoing.
I agree with those comments, a lot of it i believe has to do with the reduction in our wage bill and young players it seems are all we can afford.
We need a settled team if possible with some experience in the key positions so the youngsters can learn and we get the results.
Any players we bring in need to want to play for the club and fight tooth and nail for us.
We don't want to struggle again,(we have had more of our ups and downs) there is only a few weeks before the league starts.
lets hope it works out and we have a decent season.
[quote][p][bold]JimboSTFC[/bold] wrote: Getting frustrating borrowing a team, you need a solid spine to be successful at any level. One months loan doesn't help get a settled shape/side. We had enough partnerships at the back last year, which ended up being our undoing.[/p][/quote]I agree with those comments, a lot of it i believe has to do with the reduction in our wage bill and young players it seems are all we can afford. We need a settled team if possible with some experience in the key positions so the youngsters can learn and we get the results. Any players we bring in need to want to play for the club and fight tooth and nail for us. We don't want to struggle again,(we have had more of our ups and downs) there is only a few weeks before the league starts. lets hope it works out and we have a decent season. dbswin985
  • Score: -2

3:54pm Wed 23 Jul 14

MoonrakerinHampshire says...

tobruk wrote:
glenda hoddle wrote:
This is a joke now. This looks a terible loan. Hes never played a game for derby and loaned out to gateshead. GATESHEAD. We are in deep trouble imo. Smith and williams up top. a s..t manager . No stephens no scouse lad. No spurs players No investment. No hope. Im rearly worryed.
This is no joke! We are not in deep trouble! Did you see the game on Monday night? I thought we were tight in defense apart from one slip up from a corner. Branco looked very solid and played a near perfect game. I thought we used the wingers well and the passing was generally immaculate. Tactically I thought we were brilliant! I have no worries about the coming season. If we play like we did on Monday we will agin finish near the top. COYR!!
I mentioned after the Saints game STFC are too quiet on the pitch which I think is concerning considering the decibels from their opponents who beat them in the last two games. But what really concerns me most now is that Smith does not watch the opposing back line and forward moves repeatedly breakdown because he is offside. Willo on the other hand may be physically fit but he is a long way off his old self and will need time and matches to get match fit. Finally there is no evidence the pair have yet developed an understanding. Most worryingly neither run the channels.

When the kids come on the team lifts because Waldron Randall and Barker are all on the move, especially into the channels. In current temperatures that cannot last and I can't see them starting games but I think both Smith and Willo could do better by learning from them.

I appreciate Coops asking us all to be patient with his young players. I was very critical after the Eastleigh game, but if they continue to put in the effort seen against Saints and we can be more effective in attack, we should not have relegation worries. But I doubt if we are physically strong enough to move into the top six without some mature loanees brought into the team.
[quote][p][bold]tobruk[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]glenda hoddle[/bold] wrote: This is a joke now. This looks a terible loan. Hes never played a game for derby and loaned out to gateshead. GATESHEAD. We are in deep trouble imo. Smith and williams up top. a s..t manager . No stephens no scouse lad. No spurs players No investment. No hope. Im rearly worryed.[/p][/quote]This is no joke! We are not in deep trouble! Did you see the game on Monday night? I thought we were tight in defense apart from one slip up from a corner. Branco looked very solid and played a near perfect game. I thought we used the wingers well and the passing was generally immaculate. Tactically I thought we were brilliant! I have no worries about the coming season. If we play like we did on Monday we will agin finish near the top. COYR!![/p][/quote]I mentioned after the Saints game STFC are too quiet on the pitch which I think is concerning considering the decibels from their opponents who beat them in the last two games. But what really concerns me most now is that Smith does not watch the opposing back line and forward moves repeatedly breakdown because he is offside. Willo on the other hand may be physically fit but he is a long way off his old self and will need time and matches to get match fit. Finally there is no evidence the pair have yet developed an understanding. Most worryingly neither run the channels. When the kids come on the team lifts because Waldron Randall and Barker are all on the move, especially into the channels. In current temperatures that cannot last and I can't see them starting games but I think both Smith and Willo could do better by learning from them. I appreciate Coops asking us all to be patient with his young players. I was very critical after the Eastleigh game, but if they continue to put in the effort seen against Saints and we can be more effective in attack, we should not have relegation worries. But I doubt if we are physically strong enough to move into the top six without some mature loanees brought into the team. MoonrakerinHampshire
  • Score: 1

3:57pm Wed 23 Jul 14

Archive Robin says...

London Red wrote:
MidlandRobin wrote:
London Red wrote: Cooper and Power have both said we are looking at 4 loans - 2 CBs, 1 LB and 1 CF . I would therefore, think this has no impact on Stephens as that still leaves another CB . I would have thought as some have suggested that this could be a "trial" to see if he has enough about thim to extend for the year - maybe as an alternative to the other initial CB lined up as they were all meant to be Premiership - which Derby are not . As for filling our squad or borrowing a team is 4 really doing that? . That is only a tiny percentage of our squad comapred to our own players! . 19 Full time Pros (ex Ward and Harley), 2 Scholars and potentially 3 or 4 loanees to make a squad of 25 - so that is over 75% Perm STFC players and about 85% if Scholars included - pretty much an STFC squad if you ask me! . First team too is likely to be 8 or 9 STFC players - so again 75-80% . Squad Foderingham - STFC Belford - STFC N.Thompson - STFC Barthram - STFC Byrne - STFC Jones - STFC Branco - STFC Antonio - STFC De Costa - STFC Luongo - STFC L.Thompson - STFC Kasim - STFC Rodgers - STFC Gladwin - STFC Tijane - STFC Williams - STFC Smith - STFC Barker - STFC Waldon - STFC -------------------- ------------ Randell - STFC Scholar Marshall - STFC Scholar -------------------- ------------ Lelan - Loan Stephens (?) - Loan Smith (?) - Loan A.Other (?) - Loan
Where's the essential experience for this division? When the heads drop away from home as they did last season too often. Who's going to be there to pick them up? Cooper is no inspiration when the going gets tough. You only have to watch him in the dugout, or listen to him on the radio or watch a post match interview. There's nothing there. Is Cooper scared of signing experienced players? Too much of a threat to his authority? Hope I'm really wrong, but we could potentially be bottom four come Christmas if nothing is done. GOOD SOLID EXPERIENCED signings need to be made before the season starts.
Where were the "GOOD SOLID EXPERIENCED" players when we ended the season with our best run in over 25 years - including beating Brentford, Sheff U and Preston?????
.
It was the likes of Louis Thompson who shone in those games!
.
Who was in charge of that run?
.
Thats right it was Cooper and his change in system and formation!
.
.
We had this relegation fodder spiel all last year and we were never once in danger of relegation
.
Wes, N.Thompson, Byrne, Luongo, L.Thompson, Kasim, Smith and Williams are the spine of our squad and all have expereince in L1 and as they are all now more experienced than last year - I'm more certain than last year we will be top half!
I'd add to the list also Barthram, Barker, Gladwin & Branco - I think the good thing about having younger players with some L1 experience could be the advantage of them being less likely to sit on their contract as they will have more desire to succeed as they have it all to prove - some more seasoned pros may (only may) think they've already done it (not always though - Ward proved that when playing well and still tried when he wasn't) so there are two ways of looking at it. Also with MC I think he will continue to learn more as he goes on and the experience of last season for him in what he learned may stand us all in good stead for the new season. We may struggle at times or all season as no one knows but it isn't that the idea of supporting a football team - the unpredictability is the excitement of support and why we all follow STFC
[quote][p][bold]London Red[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]MidlandRobin[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]London Red[/bold] wrote: Cooper and Power have both said we are looking at 4 loans - 2 CBs, 1 LB and 1 CF . I would therefore, think this has no impact on Stephens as that still leaves another CB . I would have thought as some have suggested that this could be a "trial" to see if he has enough about thim to extend for the year - maybe as an alternative to the other initial CB lined up as they were all meant to be Premiership - which Derby are not . As for filling our squad or borrowing a team is 4 really doing that? . That is only a tiny percentage of our squad comapred to our own players! . 19 Full time Pros (ex Ward and Harley), 2 Scholars and potentially 3 or 4 loanees to make a squad of 25 - so that is over 75% Perm STFC players and about 85% if Scholars included - pretty much an STFC squad if you ask me! . First team too is likely to be 8 or 9 STFC players - so again 75-80% . Squad Foderingham - STFC Belford - STFC N.Thompson - STFC Barthram - STFC Byrne - STFC Jones - STFC Branco - STFC Antonio - STFC De Costa - STFC Luongo - STFC L.Thompson - STFC Kasim - STFC Rodgers - STFC Gladwin - STFC Tijane - STFC Williams - STFC Smith - STFC Barker - STFC Waldon - STFC -------------------- ------------ Randell - STFC Scholar Marshall - STFC Scholar -------------------- ------------ Lelan - Loan Stephens (?) - Loan Smith (?) - Loan A.Other (?) - Loan[/p][/quote]Where's the essential experience for this division? When the heads drop away from home as they did last season too often. Who's going to be there to pick them up? Cooper is no inspiration when the going gets tough. You only have to watch him in the dugout, or listen to him on the radio or watch a post match interview. There's nothing there. Is Cooper scared of signing experienced players? Too much of a threat to his authority? Hope I'm really wrong, but we could potentially be bottom four come Christmas if nothing is done. GOOD SOLID EXPERIENCED signings need to be made before the season starts.[/p][/quote]Where were the "GOOD SOLID EXPERIENCED" players when we ended the season with our best run in over 25 years - including beating Brentford, Sheff U and Preston????? . It was the likes of Louis Thompson who shone in those games! . Who was in charge of that run? . Thats right it was Cooper and his change in system and formation! . . We had this relegation fodder spiel all last year and we were never once in danger of relegation . Wes, N.Thompson, Byrne, Luongo, L.Thompson, Kasim, Smith and Williams are the spine of our squad and all have expereince in L1 and as they are all now more experienced than last year - I'm more certain than last year we will be top half![/p][/quote]I'd add to the list also Barthram, Barker, Gladwin & Branco - I think the good thing about having younger players with some L1 experience could be the advantage of them being less likely to sit on their contract as they will have more desire to succeed as they have it all to prove - some more seasoned pros may (only may) think they've already done it (not always though - Ward proved that when playing well and still tried when he wasn't) so there are two ways of looking at it. Also with MC I think he will continue to learn more as he goes on and the experience of last season for him in what he learned may stand us all in good stead for the new season. We may struggle at times or all season as no one knows but it isn't that the idea of supporting a football team - the unpredictability is the excitement of support and why we all follow STFC Archive Robin
  • Score: 2

4:19pm Wed 23 Jul 14

Oxon-Red says...

The Nomis wrote:
No wonder season ticket sales are down. On the day ticket sales will also be down. No experience, No ambition!. Bottom 4 finish I predict. Club's really moving forward, going backwards more like. Then in a few months time all you happy clappers will be on here moaning. I said the same thing when Jed & Co first arrived and vented my worries on here but was told to be quiet, give them a chance etc etc etc but I was right and all you happy clappers looked rather silly!
Moist Hen,

Will you also celebrate the Happy Clappers looking silly if your prediction is correct ?

Young players have to start somewhere but in some eyes that place is not at the County Ground unless they came up through the Youth System and then their every mistake is forgotten and every good point celebrated.

I said give Jed a chance, I was wrong but was I wrong for saying give him a go ?

No wonder we have such a poor national side, no one wants to give a lad a chance.

COYMR
[quote][p][bold]The Nomis[/bold] wrote: No wonder season ticket sales are down. On the day ticket sales will also be down. No experience, No ambition!. Bottom 4 finish I predict. Club's really moving forward, going backwards more like. Then in a few months time all you happy clappers will be on here moaning. I said the same thing when Jed & Co first arrived and vented my worries on here but was told to be quiet, give them a chance etc etc etc but I was right and all you happy clappers looked rather silly![/p][/quote]Moist Hen, Will you also celebrate the Happy Clappers looking silly if your prediction is correct ? Young players have to start somewhere but in some eyes that place is not at the County Ground unless they came up through the Youth System and then their every mistake is forgotten and every good point celebrated. I said give Jed a chance, I was wrong but was I wrong for saying give him a go ? No wonder we have such a poor national side, no one wants to give a lad a chance. COYMR Oxon-Red
  • Score: 5

4:21pm Wed 23 Jul 14

ciclosporindorset says...

Someone above made a great point about 11 v 11 in training, the point being we need some defenders to practice forward play against. Branco ok, Antonio, Da Costa? We seem determined to play 3 at the back. Which means for a full practice match we want 6 central defenders. Imo this is a stocking filler with a view to, hopefully, no Xmas turkey's this year.
Someone above made a great point about 11 v 11 in training, the point being we need some defenders to practice forward play against. Branco ok, Antonio, Da Costa? We seem determined to play 3 at the back. Which means for a full practice match we want 6 central defenders. Imo this is a stocking filler with a view to, hopefully, no Xmas turkey's this year. ciclosporindorset
  • Score: -2

4:31pm Wed 23 Jul 14

the wizard says...

I 5think a few are missing a very valid point or two here. The lad comes from Derby, and their manager is probably still one of the very best youth coaches and spotters of potential talent in the country. He has done nothing short of a magnificent job there . So he has a player who needs bringing on, so what better than to let the lad have a spell here to see how he performs before anyone signing anything on a longer basis. Cooper and Williams did well last season with young players, admittedly some better than others, but for a month, this lad has to be a steal. We are probably not paying much if anything at all, and if he steps into Troys shoes and works well with those around him, then its just got to be worth trying. Probably wasted at Gateshead, but this could be the stepping stone he needs, and with other young lads around him he should feel more comfortable. If this works it could be the making of the player and a good signing for us, a months trial, nothing to loose and an awful lot to gain. Welcome Josh, hope you have a good stay with us and it works well all round. Good luck.
I 5think a few are missing a very valid point or two here. The lad comes from Derby, and their manager is probably still one of the very best youth coaches and spotters of potential talent in the country. He has done nothing short of a magnificent job there . So he has a player who needs bringing on, so what better than to let the lad have a spell here to see how he performs before anyone signing anything on a longer basis. Cooper and Williams did well last season with young players, admittedly some better than others, but for a month, this lad has to be a steal. We are probably not paying much if anything at all, and if he steps into Troys shoes and works well with those around him, then its just got to be worth trying. Probably wasted at Gateshead, but this could be the stepping stone he needs, and with other young lads around him he should feel more comfortable. If this works it could be the making of the player and a good signing for us, a months trial, nothing to loose and an awful lot to gain. Welcome Josh, hope you have a good stay with us and it works well all round. Good luck. the wizard
  • Score: 2

4:42pm Wed 23 Jul 14

Oxon-Red says...

the wizard wrote:
I 5think a few are missing a very valid point or two here. The lad comes from Derby, and their manager is probably still one of the very best youth coaches and spotters of potential talent in the country. He has done nothing short of a magnificent job there . So he has a player who needs bringing on, so what better than to let the lad have a spell here to see how he performs before anyone signing anything on a longer basis. Cooper and Williams did well last season with young players, admittedly some better than others, but for a month, this lad has to be a steal. We are probably not paying much if anything at all, and if he steps into Troys shoes and works well with those around him, then its just got to be worth trying. Probably wasted at Gateshead, but this could be the stepping stone he needs, and with other young lads around him he should feel more comfortable. If this works it could be the making of the player and a good signing for us, a months trial, nothing to loose and an awful lot to gain. Welcome Josh, hope you have a good stay with us and it works well all round. Good luck.
Why are Gateshead being poo-pooed ? Didn't they nearly join Luton in promotion last season ?

COYMR
[quote][p][bold]the wizard[/bold] wrote: I 5think a few are missing a very valid point or two here. The lad comes from Derby, and their manager is probably still one of the very best youth coaches and spotters of potential talent in the country. He has done nothing short of a magnificent job there . So he has a player who needs bringing on, so what better than to let the lad have a spell here to see how he performs before anyone signing anything on a longer basis. Cooper and Williams did well last season with young players, admittedly some better than others, but for a month, this lad has to be a steal. We are probably not paying much if anything at all, and if he steps into Troys shoes and works well with those around him, then its just got to be worth trying. Probably wasted at Gateshead, but this could be the stepping stone he needs, and with other young lads around him he should feel more comfortable. If this works it could be the making of the player and a good signing for us, a months trial, nothing to loose and an awful lot to gain. Welcome Josh, hope you have a good stay with us and it works well all round. Good luck.[/p][/quote]Why are Gateshead being poo-pooed ? Didn't they nearly join Luton in promotion last season ? COYMR Oxon-Red
  • Score: 1

5:29pm Wed 23 Jul 14

lifelong red says...

I'm inclined to agree with some of the above , that the Derby lad is here with a view to either a season long loan or perm , hence the one month loan , with a tight budget in place , then we have to make doubly sure we get the right players in , so good thinking by the club. With reference to the Grant Hall debate , well it should be considered that when he came here he was thrusts in alongside Ward , who was not only struggling with his own game , but also had the added burden of trying to lead a very young team , with that in mind , you have to ask yourself the question - would Stevens been such a success given the same circumstances ? also remembering that Stevens was not so assured when minus Troy . On the recruitment front - I "m of the mindset , of seeing who Cooper/ Power bring in before making any comment , their are still many issues overspilling from last season that need to be addressed , so waiting to see what unfolds.
I'm inclined to agree with some of the above , that the Derby lad is here with a view to either a season long loan or perm , hence the one month loan , with a tight budget in place , then we have to make doubly sure we get the right players in , so good thinking by the club. With reference to the Grant Hall debate , well it should be considered that when he came here he was thrusts in alongside Ward , who was not only struggling with his own game , but also had the added burden of trying to lead a very young team , with that in mind , you have to ask yourself the question - would Stevens been such a success given the same circumstances ? also remembering that Stevens was not so assured when minus Troy . On the recruitment front - I "m of the mindset , of seeing who Cooper/ Power bring in before making any comment , their are still many issues overspilling from last season that need to be addressed , so waiting to see what unfolds. lifelong red
  • Score: 3

5:31pm Wed 23 Jul 14

Swindonian63 says...

harley red wrote:
Would like to think we would get a big refund on the season ticket as we are paying to watch bloody kids . Been speaking to some mates who support other teams in our league and they all think we are a joke , I think that says it all . Like some other posts on here I do not rate cooper , I suspect he is just a cheap option can't see any other club wanting him . Power has no money so why is he here ? He's here to make money buy selling the kids on . I'm sorry to all you happy clappers but this will end in tears . Cooper is already getting excuses in about kids in the side . I like to be entertained at Stfc but last year it was pretty poor . I can't see any improvement this year as it sounds like they want to play the same crap as last year . ,!!!!
Why don't you go away. How about supporting a top Premiership side who have loadsamoney and will win most weeks. You'll be happy and we can be left in peace.
[quote][p][bold]harley red[/bold] wrote: Would like to think we would get a big refund on the season ticket as we are paying to watch bloody kids . Been speaking to some mates who support other teams in our league and they all think we are a joke , I think that says it all . Like some other posts on here I do not rate cooper , I suspect he is just a cheap option can't see any other club wanting him . Power has no money so why is he here ? He's here to make money buy selling the kids on . I'm sorry to all you happy clappers but this will end in tears . Cooper is already getting excuses in about kids in the side . I like to be entertained at Stfc but last year it was pretty poor . I can't see any improvement this year as it sounds like they want to play the same crap as last year . ,!!!![/p][/quote]Why don't you go away. How about supporting a top Premiership side who have loadsamoney and will win most weeks. You'll be happy and we can be left in peace. Swindonian63
  • Score: 7

5:55pm Wed 23 Jul 14

LeGod says...

Wish you load of moaners that are moaning would zip it. No one has seen this guy play so how can you comment on how good he is?
No one saw Charlie Austin play and look whats happenned to him.
Kasim was at Luton and was called useless no one knew him when he came here then all of a sudden everyone was saying how great he was.
Give the kid a chance there are young players inthe premier league and all other leagues that have produced the goods. The only reason you moaners are kicking off is none of you had heard of him and by the way had you heard of jack stephens until he played for us - Answer -No none of you. Well look how good he was for us and we all would like to see him back.
This lad has played for England and dont underestimate the conference as there are some team in there as good as teams in the league.
Give the lad a chance because the younger they are the more support they need from us to give them confidence.
By the way that useless waste of space that everyone got excited about when he signed for us and ive even forgotten his name as he was so bad that now plays for Chesterfield you were saying the opposite about him when he signed for us and i saw him have two good games for us Walsall away and Tranmere away he was on mega money and useless.

Stop all the moaning and support the team this time last year everyone was saying the same thing and we did well considering the squad was put together late so there are more to come in yet and im sure we will shock a few as we did last year.
Wish you load of moaners that are moaning would zip it. No one has seen this guy play so how can you comment on how good he is? No one saw Charlie Austin play and look whats happenned to him. Kasim was at Luton and was called useless no one knew him when he came here then all of a sudden everyone was saying how great he was. Give the kid a chance there are young players inthe premier league and all other leagues that have produced the goods. The only reason you moaners are kicking off is none of you had heard of him and by the way had you heard of jack stephens until he played for us - Answer -No none of you. Well look how good he was for us and we all would like to see him back. This lad has played for England and dont underestimate the conference as there are some team in there as good as teams in the league. Give the lad a chance because the younger they are the more support they need from us to give them confidence. By the way that useless waste of space that everyone got excited about when he signed for us and ive even forgotten his name as he was so bad that now plays for Chesterfield you were saying the opposite about him when he signed for us and i saw him have two good games for us Walsall away and Tranmere away he was on mega money and useless. Stop all the moaning and support the team this time last year everyone was saying the same thing and we did well considering the squad was put together late so there are more to come in yet and im sure we will shock a few as we did last year. LeGod
  • Score: 6

6:07pm Wed 23 Jul 14

Longtime Red says...

I don't really understand why some people are already unhappy at events at the County Ground, although I do appreciate all points of view. Personally I know nothing about the lad from Derby and until I see him play, I will reserve judgement. Swindon now have more home bred young players on the verge of the first team (and in the first team squad), then we have had for many a year. How can this be a bad thing? Years of playing more experienced players has basically got us nowhere following our slide from the Premiership. Unknown players were bought into the club last year and are now better and more valuable players, surely all this has to be good for the ongoing stability of the club, financial and otherwise.
I don't really understand why some people are already unhappy at events at the County Ground, although I do appreciate all points of view. Personally I know nothing about the lad from Derby and until I see him play, I will reserve judgement. Swindon now have more home bred young players on the verge of the first team (and in the first team squad), then we have had for many a year. How can this be a bad thing? Years of playing more experienced players has basically got us nowhere following our slide from the Premiership. Unknown players were bought into the club last year and are now better and more valuable players, surely all this has to be good for the ongoing stability of the club, financial and otherwise. Longtime Red
  • Score: 7

6:07pm Wed 23 Jul 14

MITTED says...

MidlandRobin wrote:
London Red wrote:
MidlandRobin wrote:
London Red wrote: Cooper and Power have both said we are looking at 4 loans - 2 CBs, 1 LB and 1 CF . I would therefore, think this has no impact on Stephens as that still leaves another CB . I would have thought as some have suggested that this could be a "trial" to see if he has enough about thim to extend for the year - maybe as an alternative to the other initial CB lined up as they were all meant to be Premiership - which Derby are not . As for filling our squad or borrowing a team is 4 really doing that? . That is only a tiny percentage of our squad comapred to our own players! . 19 Full time Pros (ex Ward and Harley), 2 Scholars and potentially 3 or 4 loanees to make a squad of 25 - so that is over 75% Perm STFC players and about 85% if Scholars included - pretty much an STFC squad if you ask me! . First team too is likely to be 8 or 9 STFC players - so again 75-80% . Squad Foderingham - STFC Belford - STFC N.Thompson - STFC Barthram - STFC Byrne - STFC Jones - STFC Branco - STFC Antonio - STFC De Costa - STFC Luongo - STFC L.Thompson - STFC Kasim - STFC Rodgers - STFC Gladwin - STFC Tijane - STFC Williams - STFC Smith - STFC Barker - STFC Waldon - STFC -------------------- ------------ Randell - STFC Scholar Marshall - STFC Scholar -------------------- ------------ Lelan - Loan Stephens (?) - Loan Smith (?) - Loan A.Other (?) - Loan
Where's the essential experience for this division? When the heads drop away from home as they did last season too often. Who's going to be there to pick them up? Cooper is no inspiration when the going gets tough. You only have to watch him in the dugout, or listen to him on the radio or watch a post match interview. There's nothing there. Is Cooper scared of signing experienced players? Too much of a threat to his authority? Hope I'm really wrong, but we could potentially be bottom four come Christmas if nothing is done. GOOD SOLID EXPERIENCED signings need to be made before the season starts.
Where were the "GOOD SOLID EXPERIENCED" players when we ended the season with our best run in over 25 years - including beating Brentford, Sheff U and Preston?????
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It was the likes of Louis Thompson who shone in those games!
.
Who was in charge of that run?
.
Thats right it was Cooper and his change in system and formation!
.
.
We had this relegation fodder spiel all last year and we were never once in danger of relegation
.
Wes, N.Thompson, Byrne, Luongo, L.Thompson, Kasim, Smith and Williams are the spine of our squad and all have expereince in L1 and as they are all now more experienced than last year - I'm more certain than last year we will be top half!
We shall see... You are entitled to your opinion, as am I.

In my view playing one season in division one at most in some cases is not sufficient experience to be particularly confident about next season.

Towards the end of last season, Cooper got lucky - Troy regained his fitness, McEveley played LB and we were fortunate to have the best young player of last season in Stephens. And without the back four including those 3 and Nathan, we would have seen a continuation of that dire 12 match run, when we were terrible. And Cooper resorted to infamous 4-6-0.

And where are the goals going to come from, especially away from home. Williams, Barker and Smith what more need I say?

Money constraints accepted, we should follow the example set by Brentford last season - strengthen the squad with experienced players and let the younger lads play around them.
understand your sentiment but Brentford is not the example we should follow. They are spending a fortune on players that is way beyond their means. It will come crashing down as we know only too well from bitter experience. What is the answer? I don't know to be honest.
COYR
[quote][p][bold]MidlandRobin[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]London Red[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]MidlandRobin[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]London Red[/bold] wrote: Cooper and Power have both said we are looking at 4 loans - 2 CBs, 1 LB and 1 CF . I would therefore, think this has no impact on Stephens as that still leaves another CB . I would have thought as some have suggested that this could be a "trial" to see if he has enough about thim to extend for the year - maybe as an alternative to the other initial CB lined up as they were all meant to be Premiership - which Derby are not . As for filling our squad or borrowing a team is 4 really doing that? . That is only a tiny percentage of our squad comapred to our own players! . 19 Full time Pros (ex Ward and Harley), 2 Scholars and potentially 3 or 4 loanees to make a squad of 25 - so that is over 75% Perm STFC players and about 85% if Scholars included - pretty much an STFC squad if you ask me! . First team too is likely to be 8 or 9 STFC players - so again 75-80% . Squad Foderingham - STFC Belford - STFC N.Thompson - STFC Barthram - STFC Byrne - STFC Jones - STFC Branco - STFC Antonio - STFC De Costa - STFC Luongo - STFC L.Thompson - STFC Kasim - STFC Rodgers - STFC Gladwin - STFC Tijane - STFC Williams - STFC Smith - STFC Barker - STFC Waldon - STFC -------------------- ------------ Randell - STFC Scholar Marshall - STFC Scholar -------------------- ------------ Lelan - Loan Stephens (?) - Loan Smith (?) - Loan A.Other (?) - Loan[/p][/quote]Where's the essential experience for this division? When the heads drop away from home as they did last season too often. Who's going to be there to pick them up? Cooper is no inspiration when the going gets tough. You only have to watch him in the dugout, or listen to him on the radio or watch a post match interview. There's nothing there. Is Cooper scared of signing experienced players? Too much of a threat to his authority? Hope I'm really wrong, but we could potentially be bottom four come Christmas if nothing is done. GOOD SOLID EXPERIENCED signings need to be made before the season starts.[/p][/quote]Where were the "GOOD SOLID EXPERIENCED" players when we ended the season with our best run in over 25 years - including beating Brentford, Sheff U and Preston????? . It was the likes of Louis Thompson who shone in those games! . Who was in charge of that run? . Thats right it was Cooper and his change in system and formation! . . We had this relegation fodder spiel all last year and we were never once in danger of relegation . Wes, N.Thompson, Byrne, Luongo, L.Thompson, Kasim, Smith and Williams are the spine of our squad and all have expereince in L1 and as they are all now more experienced than last year - I'm more certain than last year we will be top half![/p][/quote]We shall see... You are entitled to your opinion, as am I. In my view playing one season in division one at most in some cases is not sufficient experience to be particularly confident about next season. Towards the end of last season, Cooper got lucky - Troy regained his fitness, McEveley played LB and we were fortunate to have the best young player of last season in Stephens. And without the back four including those 3 and Nathan, we would have seen a continuation of that dire 12 match run, when we were terrible. And Cooper resorted to infamous 4-6-0. And where are the goals going to come from, especially away from home. Williams, Barker and Smith what more need I say? Money constraints accepted, we should follow the example set by Brentford last season - strengthen the squad with experienced players and let the younger lads play around them.[/p][/quote]understand your sentiment but Brentford is not the example we should follow. They are spending a fortune on players that is way beyond their means. It will come crashing down as we know only too well from bitter experience. What is the answer? I don't know to be honest. COYR MITTED
  • Score: 2

6:17pm Wed 23 Jul 14

The Jockster says...

London Red wrote:
Cooper and Power have both said we are looking at 4 loans - 2 CBs, 1 LB and 1 CF
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I would therefore, think this has no impact on Stephens as that still leaves another CB
.
I would have thought as some have suggested that this could be a "trial" to see if he has enough about thim to extend for the year - maybe as an alternative to the other initial CB lined up as they were all meant to be Premiership - which Derby are not
.
As for filling our squad or borrowing a team is 4 really doing that?
.
That is only a tiny percentage of our squad comapred to our own players!
.
19 Full time Pros (ex Ward and Harley), 2 Scholars and potentially 3 or 4 loanees to make a squad of 25 - so that is over 75% Perm STFC players and about 85% if Scholars included - pretty much an STFC squad if you ask me!
.
First team too is likely to be 8 or 9 STFC players - so again 75-80%
.
Squad
Foderingham - STFC
Belford - STFC
N.Thompson - STFC
Barthram - STFC
Byrne - STFC
Jones - STFC
Branco - STFC
Antonio - STFC
De Costa - STFC
Luongo - STFC
L.Thompson - STFC
Kasim - STFC
Rodgers - STFC
Gladwin - STFC
Tijane - STFC
Williams - STFC
Smith - STFC
Barker - STFC
Waldon - STFC
--------------------

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Randell - STFC Scholar
Marshall - STFC Scholar
--------------------

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Lelan - Loan
Stephens (?) - Loan
Smith (?) - Loan
A.Other (?) - Loan
Another stat overdose LR - why not just state %of signed loaned etc instated of naming the world and it's mother!
[quote][p][bold]London Red[/bold] wrote: Cooper and Power have both said we are looking at 4 loans - 2 CBs, 1 LB and 1 CF . I would therefore, think this has no impact on Stephens as that still leaves another CB . I would have thought as some have suggested that this could be a "trial" to see if he has enough about thim to extend for the year - maybe as an alternative to the other initial CB lined up as they were all meant to be Premiership - which Derby are not . As for filling our squad or borrowing a team is 4 really doing that? . That is only a tiny percentage of our squad comapred to our own players! . 19 Full time Pros (ex Ward and Harley), 2 Scholars and potentially 3 or 4 loanees to make a squad of 25 - so that is over 75% Perm STFC players and about 85% if Scholars included - pretty much an STFC squad if you ask me! . First team too is likely to be 8 or 9 STFC players - so again 75-80% . Squad Foderingham - STFC Belford - STFC N.Thompson - STFC Barthram - STFC Byrne - STFC Jones - STFC Branco - STFC Antonio - STFC De Costa - STFC Luongo - STFC L.Thompson - STFC Kasim - STFC Rodgers - STFC Gladwin - STFC Tijane - STFC Williams - STFC Smith - STFC Barker - STFC Waldon - STFC -------------------- ------------ Randell - STFC Scholar Marshall - STFC Scholar -------------------- ------------ Lelan - Loan Stephens (?) - Loan Smith (?) - Loan A.Other (?) - Loan[/p][/quote]Another stat overdose LR - why not just state %of signed loaned etc instated of naming the world and it's mother! The Jockster
  • Score: -11

6:27pm Wed 23 Jul 14

The Jockster says...

London Red wrote:
Archive Robin wrote:
Hi All On the length of this guys loan I guess it is safe to assume that they want to look at him first to see how he fits in and plays alongside say Branco or whoever we have - it could also be that maybe they are looking to pair him with Stephens (hopefully we'll get him) and also have him as cover. I think they are right with the loan deal as we came a bit unstuck last season with Hall being signed on a season long loan and not quite up to scratch - obviously different circumstances due to the other players signed but I can understand their thinking. Talking of Grant Hall it's interesting to see Birmingham have signed him on a season long loan.
I don't think its that "interesting" as I think he was made a scape goat by too many here
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When he dropped out injured and Troy firest came in we actually got WORSE defensively!
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It was only post Wolves when Ward went out and Stephens came in that we tightened up at the back
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Had Hall had a chance to play as the LCB alongside Troy and Stephens I'm certain we would have seen a difference and the view on him would be totally different now
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I'm sure he will do very well at Brum this year - lets also not forget they rate him highly that they initally went in for him last year and then paid to have a no break clause added to the loan this year!
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No he was not perfect and yes he did make mistakes - but so did everyone - I just think the whole Ward/Hall partnership was a disaster which led to Hall looking wrose than he actually is!
I'd agree LR hall was definitely showing signs of improvement the longer the season went on and I think you're right that some of this improvement was masked trying to cover Wards arse.
[quote][p][bold]London Red[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Archive Robin[/bold] wrote: Hi All On the length of this guys loan I guess it is safe to assume that they want to look at him first to see how he fits in and plays alongside say Branco or whoever we have - it could also be that maybe they are looking to pair him with Stephens (hopefully we'll get him) and also have him as cover. I think they are right with the loan deal as we came a bit unstuck last season with Hall being signed on a season long loan and not quite up to scratch - obviously different circumstances due to the other players signed but I can understand their thinking. Talking of Grant Hall it's interesting to see Birmingham have signed him on a season long loan.[/p][/quote]I don't think its that "interesting" as I think he was made a scape goat by too many here . When he dropped out injured and Troy firest came in we actually got WORSE defensively! . It was only post Wolves when Ward went out and Stephens came in that we tightened up at the back . Had Hall had a chance to play as the LCB alongside Troy and Stephens I'm certain we would have seen a difference and the view on him would be totally different now . I'm sure he will do very well at Brum this year - lets also not forget they rate him highly that they initally went in for him last year and then paid to have a no break clause added to the loan this year! . No he was not perfect and yes he did make mistakes - but so did everyone - I just think the whole Ward/Hall partnership was a disaster which led to Hall looking wrose than he actually is![/p][/quote]I'd agree LR hall was definitely showing signs of improvement the longer the season went on and I think you're right that some of this improvement was masked trying to cover Wards arse. The Jockster
  • Score: -2

6:50pm Wed 23 Jul 14

dazzastfc says...

MidlandRobin wrote:
London Red wrote:
MidlandRobin wrote:
London Red wrote: Cooper and Power have both said we are looking at 4 loans - 2 CBs, 1 LB and 1 CF . I would therefore, think this has no impact on Stephens as that still leaves another CB . I would have thought as some have suggested that this could be a "trial" to see if he has enough about thim to extend for the year - maybe as an alternative to the other initial CB lined up as they were all meant to be Premiership - which Derby are not . As for filling our squad or borrowing a team is 4 really doing that? . That is only a tiny percentage of our squad comapred to our own players! . 19 Full time Pros (ex Ward and Harley), 2 Scholars and potentially 3 or 4 loanees to make a squad of 25 - so that is over 75% Perm STFC players and about 85% if Scholars included - pretty much an STFC squad if you ask me! . First team too is likely to be 8 or 9 STFC players - so again 75-80% . Squad Foderingham - STFC Belford - STFC N.Thompson - STFC Barthram - STFC Byrne - STFC Jones - STFC Branco - STFC Antonio - STFC De Costa - STFC Luongo - STFC L.Thompson - STFC Kasim - STFC Rodgers - STFC Gladwin - STFC Tijane - STFC Williams - STFC Smith - STFC Barker - STFC Waldon - STFC -------------------- ------------ Randell - STFC Scholar Marshall - STFC Scholar -------------------- ------------ Lelan - Loan Stephens (?) - Loan Smith (?) - Loan A.Other (?) - Loan
Where's the essential experience for this division? When the heads drop away from home as they did last season too often. Who's going to be there to pick them up? Cooper is no inspiration when the going gets tough. You only have to watch him in the dugout, or listen to him on the radio or watch a post match interview. There's nothing there. Is Cooper scared of signing experienced players? Too much of a threat to his authority? Hope I'm really wrong, but we could potentially be bottom four come Christmas if nothing is done. GOOD SOLID EXPERIENCED signings need to be made before the season starts.
Where were the "GOOD SOLID EXPERIENCED" players when we ended the season with our best run in over 25 years - including beating Brentford, Sheff U and Preston?????
.
It was the likes of Louis Thompson who shone in those games!
.
Who was in charge of that run?
.
Thats right it was Cooper and his change in system and formation!
.
.
We had this relegation fodder spiel all last year and we were never once in danger of relegation
.
Wes, N.Thompson, Byrne, Luongo, L.Thompson, Kasim, Smith and Williams are the spine of our squad and all have expereince in L1 and as they are all now more experienced than last year - I'm more certain than last year we will be top half!
We shall see... You are entitled to your opinion, as am I.

In my view playing one season in division one at most in some cases is not sufficient experience to be particularly confident about next season.

Towards the end of last season, Cooper got lucky - Troy regained his fitness, McEveley played LB and we were fortunate to have the best young player of last season in Stephens. And without the back four including those 3 and Nathan, we would have seen a continuation of that dire 12 match run, when we were terrible. And Cooper resorted to infamous 4-6-0.

And where are the goals going to come from, especially away from home. Williams, Barker and Smith what more need I say?

Money constraints accepted, we should follow the example set by Brentford last season - strengthen the squad with experienced players and let the younger lads play around them.
London Red you plank WE LOST ARE LAST 2 GAMES scoring 1 goal and conceding 4...

Well said midlandrobin spot on
[quote][p][bold]MidlandRobin[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]London Red[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]MidlandRobin[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]London Red[/bold] wrote: Cooper and Power have both said we are looking at 4 loans - 2 CBs, 1 LB and 1 CF . I would therefore, think this has no impact on Stephens as that still leaves another CB . I would have thought as some have suggested that this could be a "trial" to see if he has enough about thim to extend for the year - maybe as an alternative to the other initial CB lined up as they were all meant to be Premiership - which Derby are not . As for filling our squad or borrowing a team is 4 really doing that? . That is only a tiny percentage of our squad comapred to our own players! . 19 Full time Pros (ex Ward and Harley), 2 Scholars and potentially 3 or 4 loanees to make a squad of 25 - so that is over 75% Perm STFC players and about 85% if Scholars included - pretty much an STFC squad if you ask me! . First team too is likely to be 8 or 9 STFC players - so again 75-80% . Squad Foderingham - STFC Belford - STFC N.Thompson - STFC Barthram - STFC Byrne - STFC Jones - STFC Branco - STFC Antonio - STFC De Costa - STFC Luongo - STFC L.Thompson - STFC Kasim - STFC Rodgers - STFC Gladwin - STFC Tijane - STFC Williams - STFC Smith - STFC Barker - STFC Waldon - STFC -------------------- ------------ Randell - STFC Scholar Marshall - STFC Scholar -------------------- ------------ Lelan - Loan Stephens (?) - Loan Smith (?) - Loan A.Other (?) - Loan[/p][/quote]Where's the essential experience for this division? When the heads drop away from home as they did last season too often. Who's going to be there to pick them up? Cooper is no inspiration when the going gets tough. You only have to watch him in the dugout, or listen to him on the radio or watch a post match interview. There's nothing there. Is Cooper scared of signing experienced players? Too much of a threat to his authority? Hope I'm really wrong, but we could potentially be bottom four come Christmas if nothing is done. GOOD SOLID EXPERIENCED signings need to be made before the season starts.[/p][/quote]Where were the "GOOD SOLID EXPERIENCED" players when we ended the season with our best run in over 25 years - including beating Brentford, Sheff U and Preston????? . It was the likes of Louis Thompson who shone in those games! . Who was in charge of that run? . Thats right it was Cooper and his change in system and formation! . . We had this relegation fodder spiel all last year and we were never once in danger of relegation . Wes, N.Thompson, Byrne, Luongo, L.Thompson, Kasim, Smith and Williams are the spine of our squad and all have expereince in L1 and as they are all now more experienced than last year - I'm more certain than last year we will be top half![/p][/quote]We shall see... You are entitled to your opinion, as am I. In my view playing one season in division one at most in some cases is not sufficient experience to be particularly confident about next season. Towards the end of last season, Cooper got lucky - Troy regained his fitness, McEveley played LB and we were fortunate to have the best young player of last season in Stephens. And without the back four including those 3 and Nathan, we would have seen a continuation of that dire 12 match run, when we were terrible. And Cooper resorted to infamous 4-6-0. And where are the goals going to come from, especially away from home. Williams, Barker and Smith what more need I say? Money constraints accepted, we should follow the example set by Brentford last season - strengthen the squad with experienced players and let the younger lads play around them.[/p][/quote]London Red you plank WE LOST ARE LAST 2 GAMES scoring 1 goal and conceding 4... Well said midlandrobin spot on dazzastfc
  • Score: -3

7:03pm Wed 23 Jul 14

glenda hoddle says...

The Nomis wrote:
No wonder season ticket sales are down. On the day ticket sales will also be down. No experience, No ambition!. Bottom 4 finish I predict. Club's really moving forward, going backwards more like. Then in a few months time all you happy clappers will be on here moaning. I said the same thing when Jed & Co first arrived and vented my worries on here but was told to be quiet, give them a chance etc etc etc but I was right and all you happy clappers looked rather silly!
Agreed.
[quote][p][bold]The Nomis[/bold] wrote: No wonder season ticket sales are down. On the day ticket sales will also be down. No experience, No ambition!. Bottom 4 finish I predict. Club's really moving forward, going backwards more like. Then in a few months time all you happy clappers will be on here moaning. I said the same thing when Jed & Co first arrived and vented my worries on here but was told to be quiet, give them a chance etc etc etc but I was right and all you happy clappers looked rather silly![/p][/quote]Agreed. glenda hoddle
  • Score: -1

7:07pm Wed 23 Jul 14

glenda hoddle says...

tobruk wrote:
glenda hoddle wrote:
This is a joke now. This looks a terible loan. Hes never played a game for derby and loaned out to gateshead. GATESHEAD. We are in deep trouble imo. Smith and williams up top. a s..t manager . No stephens no scouse lad. No spurs players No investment. No hope. Im rearly worryed.
This is no joke! We are not in deep trouble! Did you see the game on Monday night? I thought we were tight in defense apart from one slip up from a corner. Branco looked very solid and played a near perfect game. I thought we used the wingers well and the passing was generally immaculate. Tactically I thought we were brilliant! I have no worries about the coming season. If we play like we did on Monday we will agin finish near the top. COYR!!
O dear. Kidding yourself im afraid.
[quote][p][bold]tobruk[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]glenda hoddle[/bold] wrote: This is a joke now. This looks a terible loan. Hes never played a game for derby and loaned out to gateshead. GATESHEAD. We are in deep trouble imo. Smith and williams up top. a s..t manager . No stephens no scouse lad. No spurs players No investment. No hope. Im rearly worryed.[/p][/quote]This is no joke! We are not in deep trouble! Did you see the game on Monday night? I thought we were tight in defense apart from one slip up from a corner. Branco looked very solid and played a near perfect game. I thought we used the wingers well and the passing was generally immaculate. Tactically I thought we were brilliant! I have no worries about the coming season. If we play like we did on Monday we will agin finish near the top. COYR!![/p][/quote]O dear. Kidding yourself im afraid. glenda hoddle
  • Score: -2

7:11pm Wed 23 Jul 14

glenda hoddle says...

harley red wrote:
Would like to think we would get a big refund on the season ticket as we are paying to watch bloody kids . Been speaking to some mates who support other teams in our league and they all think we are a joke , I think that says it all . Like some other posts on here I do not rate cooper , I suspect he is just a cheap option can't see any other club wanting him . Power has no money so why is he here ? He's here to make money buy selling the kids on . I'm sorry to all you happy clappers but this will end in tears . Cooper is already getting excuses in about kids in the side . I like to be entertained at Stfc but last year it was pretty poor . I can't see any improvement this year as it sounds like they want to play the same crap as last year . ,!!!!
Thank god theres others that can see whats about to blow up big time. We are in trouble if theres no signings before k/off.
[quote][p][bold]harley red[/bold] wrote: Would like to think we would get a big refund on the season ticket as we are paying to watch bloody kids . Been speaking to some mates who support other teams in our league and they all think we are a joke , I think that says it all . Like some other posts on here I do not rate cooper , I suspect he is just a cheap option can't see any other club wanting him . Power has no money so why is he here ? He's here to make money buy selling the kids on . I'm sorry to all you happy clappers but this will end in tears . Cooper is already getting excuses in about kids in the side . I like to be entertained at Stfc but last year it was pretty poor . I can't see any improvement this year as it sounds like they want to play the same crap as last year . ,!!!![/p][/quote]Thank god theres others that can see whats about to blow up big time. We are in trouble if theres no signings before k/off. glenda hoddle
  • Score: -2

7:15pm Wed 23 Jul 14

South Stand says...

glenda hoddle wrote:
The Nomis wrote:
No wonder season ticket sales are down. On the day ticket sales will also be down. No experience, No ambition!. Bottom 4 finish I predict. Club's really moving forward, going backwards more like. Then in a few months time all you happy clappers will be on here moaning. I said the same thing when Jed & Co first arrived and vented my worries on here but was told to be quiet, give them a chance etc etc etc but I was right and all you happy clappers looked rather silly!
Agreed.
nomates and dazza agree on something. Maybe they could become friends.
[quote][p][bold]glenda hoddle[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The Nomis[/bold] wrote: No wonder season ticket sales are down. On the day ticket sales will also be down. No experience, No ambition!. Bottom 4 finish I predict. Club's really moving forward, going backwards more like. Then in a few months time all you happy clappers will be on here moaning. I said the same thing when Jed & Co first arrived and vented my worries on here but was told to be quiet, give them a chance etc etc etc but I was right and all you happy clappers looked rather silly![/p][/quote]Agreed.[/p][/quote]nomates and dazza agree on something. Maybe they could become friends. South Stand
  • Score: 3

7:17pm Wed 23 Jul 14

London Red says...

dazzastfc wrote:
MidlandRobin wrote:
London Red wrote:
MidlandRobin wrote:
London Red wrote: Cooper and Power have both said we are looking at 4 loans - 2 CBs, 1 LB and 1 CF . I would therefore, think this has no impact on Stephens as that still leaves another CB . I would have thought as some have suggested that this could be a "trial" to see if he has enough about thim to extend for the year - maybe as an alternative to the other initial CB lined up as they were all meant to be Premiership - which Derby are not . As for filling our squad or borrowing a team is 4 really doing that? . That is only a tiny percentage of our squad comapred to our own players! . 19 Full time Pros (ex Ward and Harley), 2 Scholars and potentially 3 or 4 loanees to make a squad of 25 - so that is over 75% Perm STFC players and about 85% if Scholars included - pretty much an STFC squad if you ask me! . First team too is likely to be 8 or 9 STFC players - so again 75-80% . Squad Foderingham - STFC Belford - STFC N.Thompson - STFC Barthram - STFC Byrne - STFC Jones - STFC Branco - STFC Antonio - STFC De Costa - STFC Luongo - STFC L.Thompson - STFC Kasim - STFC Rodgers - STFC Gladwin - STFC Tijane - STFC Williams - STFC Smith - STFC Barker - STFC Waldon - STFC -------------------- ------------ Randell - STFC Scholar Marshall - STFC Scholar -------------------- ------------ Lelan - Loan Stephens (?) - Loan Smith (?) - Loan A.Other (?) - Loan
Where's the essential experience for this division? When the heads drop away from home as they did last season too often. Who's going to be there to pick them up? Cooper is no inspiration when the going gets tough. You only have to watch him in the dugout, or listen to him on the radio or watch a post match interview. There's nothing there. Is Cooper scared of signing experienced players? Too much of a threat to his authority? Hope I'm really wrong, but we could potentially be bottom four come Christmas if nothing is done. GOOD SOLID EXPERIENCED signings need to be made before the season starts.
Where were the "GOOD SOLID EXPERIENCED" players when we ended the season with our best run in over 25 years - including beating Brentford, Sheff U and Preston?????
.
It was the likes of Louis Thompson who shone in those games!
.
Who was in charge of that run?
.
Thats right it was Cooper and his change in system and formation!
.
.
We had this relegation fodder spiel all last year and we were never once in danger of relegation
.
Wes, N.Thompson, Byrne, Luongo, L.Thompson, Kasim, Smith and Williams are the spine of our squad and all have expereince in L1 and as they are all now more experienced than last year - I'm more certain than last year we will be top half!
We shall see... You are entitled to your opinion, as am I.

In my view playing one season in division one at most in some cases is not sufficient experience to be particularly confident about next season.

Towards the end of last season, Cooper got lucky - Troy regained his fitness, McEveley played LB and we were fortunate to have the best young player of last season in Stephens. And without the back four including those 3 and Nathan, we would have seen a continuation of that dire 12 match run, when we were terrible. And Cooper resorted to infamous 4-6-0.

And where are the goals going to come from, especially away from home. Williams, Barker and Smith what more need I say?

Money constraints accepted, we should follow the example set by Brentford last season - strengthen the squad with experienced players and let the younger lads play around them.
London Red you plank WE LOST ARE LAST 2 GAMES scoring 1 goal and conceding 4...

Well said midlandrobin spot on
I'm the plank? We may have lost OUR last 2 games but what about the great run before that - you know the best for over 25 years?
.
You are exactly the minority Cooper was referring about - focus only on the downside!
.
We could lose 2 go unbeaten for 42 and then lose 2 and it will only be the 4 defeats you bleat on about again and again!
[quote][p][bold]dazzastfc[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]MidlandRobin[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]London Red[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]MidlandRobin[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]London Red[/bold] wrote: Cooper and Power have both said we are looking at 4 loans - 2 CBs, 1 LB and 1 CF . I would therefore, think this has no impact on Stephens as that still leaves another CB . I would have thought as some have suggested that this could be a "trial" to see if he has enough about thim to extend for the year - maybe as an alternative to the other initial CB lined up as they were all meant to be Premiership - which Derby are not . As for filling our squad or borrowing a team is 4 really doing that? . That is only a tiny percentage of our squad comapred to our own players! . 19 Full time Pros (ex Ward and Harley), 2 Scholars and potentially 3 or 4 loanees to make a squad of 25 - so that is over 75% Perm STFC players and about 85% if Scholars included - pretty much an STFC squad if you ask me! . First team too is likely to be 8 or 9 STFC players - so again 75-80% . Squad Foderingham - STFC Belford - STFC N.Thompson - STFC Barthram - STFC Byrne - STFC Jones - STFC Branco - STFC Antonio - STFC De Costa - STFC Luongo - STFC L.Thompson - STFC Kasim - STFC Rodgers - STFC Gladwin - STFC Tijane - STFC Williams - STFC Smith - STFC Barker - STFC Waldon - STFC -------------------- ------------ Randell - STFC Scholar Marshall - STFC Scholar -------------------- ------------ Lelan - Loan Stephens (?) - Loan Smith (?) - Loan A.Other (?) - Loan[/p][/quote]Where's the essential experience for this division? When the heads drop away from home as they did last season too often. Who's going to be there to pick them up? Cooper is no inspiration when the going gets tough. You only have to watch him in the dugout, or listen to him on the radio or watch a post match interview. There's nothing there. Is Cooper scared of signing experienced players? Too much of a threat to his authority? Hope I'm really wrong, but we could potentially be bottom four come Christmas if nothing is done. GOOD SOLID EXPERIENCED signings need to be made before the season starts.[/p][/quote]Where were the "GOOD SOLID EXPERIENCED" players when we ended the season with our best run in over 25 years - including beating Brentford, Sheff U and Preston????? . It was the likes of Louis Thompson who shone in those games! . Who was in charge of that run? . Thats right it was Cooper and his change in system and formation! . . We had this relegation fodder spiel all last year and we were never once in danger of relegation . Wes, N.Thompson, Byrne, Luongo, L.Thompson, Kasim, Smith and Williams are the spine of our squad and all have expereince in L1 and as they are all now more experienced than last year - I'm more certain than last year we will be top half![/p][/quote]We shall see... You are entitled to your opinion, as am I. In my view playing one season in division one at most in some cases is not sufficient experience to be particularly confident about next season. Towards the end of last season, Cooper got lucky - Troy regained his fitness, McEveley played LB and we were fortunate to have the best young player of last season in Stephens. And without the back four including those 3 and Nathan, we would have seen a continuation of that dire 12 match run, when we were terrible. And Cooper resorted to infamous 4-6-0. And where are the goals going to come from, especially away from home. Williams, Barker and Smith what more need I say? Money constraints accepted, we should follow the example set by Brentford last season - strengthen the squad with experienced players and let the younger lads play around them.[/p][/quote]London Red you plank WE LOST ARE LAST 2 GAMES scoring 1 goal and conceding 4... Well said midlandrobin spot on[/p][/quote]I'm the plank? We may have lost OUR last 2 games but what about the great run before that - you know the best for over 25 years? . You are exactly the minority Cooper was referring about - focus only on the downside! . We could lose 2 go unbeaten for 42 and then lose 2 and it will only be the 4 defeats you bleat on about again and again! London Red
  • Score: 6

7:45pm Wed 23 Jul 14

melnursesear. says...

I kive on outskirts of Sheep City..this lad is ok..Bet we would rather have McLaren in charge at SN1..I am full of hope for new season..will still get down when I can...
I kive on outskirts of Sheep City[Derby]..this lad is ok..Bet we would rather have McLaren in charge at SN1..I am full of hope for new season..will still get down when I can... melnursesear.
  • Score: 1

7:52pm Wed 23 Jul 14

dazzastfc says...

London Red wrote:
dazzastfc wrote:
MidlandRobin wrote:
London Red wrote:
MidlandRobin wrote:
London Red wrote: Cooper and Power have both said we are looking at 4 loans - 2 CBs, 1 LB and 1 CF . I would therefore, think this has no impact on Stephens as that still leaves another CB . I would have thought as some have suggested that this could be a "trial" to see if he has enough about thim to extend for the year - maybe as an alternative to the other initial CB lined up as they were all meant to be Premiership - which Derby are not . As for filling our squad or borrowing a team is 4 really doing that? . That is only a tiny percentage of our squad comapred to our own players! . 19 Full time Pros (ex Ward and Harley), 2 Scholars and potentially 3 or 4 loanees to make a squad of 25 - so that is over 75% Perm STFC players and about 85% if Scholars included - pretty much an STFC squad if you ask me! . First team too is likely to be 8 or 9 STFC players - so again 75-80% . Squad Foderingham - STFC Belford - STFC N.Thompson - STFC Barthram - STFC Byrne - STFC Jones - STFC Branco - STFC Antonio - STFC De Costa - STFC Luongo - STFC L.Thompson - STFC Kasim - STFC Rodgers - STFC Gladwin - STFC Tijane - STFC Williams - STFC Smith - STFC Barker - STFC Waldon - STFC -------------------- ------------ Randell - STFC Scholar Marshall - STFC Scholar -------------------- ------------ Lelan - Loan Stephens (?) - Loan Smith (?) - Loan A.Other (?) - Loan
Where's the essential experience for this division? When the heads drop away from home as they did last season too often. Who's going to be there to pick them up? Cooper is no inspiration when the going gets tough. You only have to watch him in the dugout, or listen to him on the radio or watch a post match interview. There's nothing there. Is Cooper scared of signing experienced players? Too much of a threat to his authority? Hope I'm really wrong, but we could potentially be bottom four come Christmas if nothing is done. GOOD SOLID EXPERIENCED signings need to be made before the season starts.
Where were the "GOOD SOLID EXPERIENCED" players when we ended the season with our best run in over 25 years - including beating Brentford, Sheff U and Preston?????
.
It was the likes of Louis Thompson who shone in those games!
.
Who was in charge of that run?
.
Thats right it was Cooper and his change in system and formation!
.
.
We had this relegation fodder spiel all last year and we were never once in danger of relegation
.
Wes, N.Thompson, Byrne, Luongo, L.Thompson, Kasim, Smith and Williams are the spine of our squad and all have expereince in L1 and as they are all now more experienced than last year - I'm more certain than last year we will be top half!
We shall see... You are entitled to your opinion, as am I.

In my view playing one season in division one at most in some cases is not sufficient experience to be particularly confident about next season.

Towards the end of last season, Cooper got lucky - Troy regained his fitness, McEveley played LB and we were fortunate to have the best young player of last season in Stephens. And without the back four including those 3 and Nathan, we would have seen a continuation of that dire 12 match run, when we were terrible. And Cooper resorted to infamous 4-6-0.

And where are the goals going to come from, especially away from home. Williams, Barker and Smith what more need I say?

Money constraints accepted, we should follow the example set by Brentford last season - strengthen the squad with experienced players and let the younger lads play around them.
London Red you plank WE LOST ARE LAST 2 GAMES scoring 1 goal and conceding 4...

Well said midlandrobin spot on
I'm the plank? We may have lost OUR last 2 games but what about the great run before that - you know the best for over 25 years?
.
You are exactly the minority Cooper was referring about - focus only on the downside!
.
We could lose 2 go unbeaten for 42 and then lose 2 and it will only be the 4 defeats you bleat on about again and again!
WHAT ABOUT THE 16 GAMES BEFORE THAT..You no the one were we never won a game !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!.NO THOUGHT NOT
Are worse run in 29 years.

You are exactly the minority Cooper was referring about - focus only on the downside!..
I DONT CARE WHAT THAT OTHER PLANK THINKS..

Sorry if you fell that way london BUT i do really want to be positive but looking at what we have in are squad TO ME it is very very hard to see the positive side

PS Look at the minority of planks that on on this site
[quote][p][bold]London Red[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]dazzastfc[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]MidlandRobin[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]London Red[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]MidlandRobin[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]London Red[/bold] wrote: Cooper and Power have both said we are looking at 4 loans - 2 CBs, 1 LB and 1 CF . I would therefore, think this has no impact on Stephens as that still leaves another CB . I would have thought as some have suggested that this could be a "trial" to see if he has enough about thim to extend for the year - maybe as an alternative to the other initial CB lined up as they were all meant to be Premiership - which Derby are not . As for filling our squad or borrowing a team is 4 really doing that? . That is only a tiny percentage of our squad comapred to our own players! . 19 Full time Pros (ex Ward and Harley), 2 Scholars and potentially 3 or 4 loanees to make a squad of 25 - so that is over 75% Perm STFC players and about 85% if Scholars included - pretty much an STFC squad if you ask me! . First team too is likely to be 8 or 9 STFC players - so again 75-80% . Squad Foderingham - STFC Belford - STFC N.Thompson - STFC Barthram - STFC Byrne - STFC Jones - STFC Branco - STFC Antonio - STFC De Costa - STFC Luongo - STFC L.Thompson - STFC Kasim - STFC Rodgers - STFC Gladwin - STFC Tijane - STFC Williams - STFC Smith - STFC Barker - STFC Waldon - STFC -------------------- ------------ Randell - STFC Scholar Marshall - STFC Scholar -------------------- ------------ Lelan - Loan Stephens (?) - Loan Smith (?) - Loan A.Other (?) - Loan[/p][/quote]Where's the essential experience for this division? When the heads drop away from home as they did last season too often. Who's going to be there to pick them up? Cooper is no inspiration when the going gets tough. You only have to watch him in the dugout, or listen to him on the radio or watch a post match interview. There's nothing there. Is Cooper scared of signing experienced players? Too much of a threat to his authority? Hope I'm really wrong, but we could potentially be bottom four come Christmas if nothing is done. GOOD SOLID EXPERIENCED signings need to be made before the season starts.[/p][/quote]Where were the "GOOD SOLID EXPERIENCED" players when we ended the season with our best run in over 25 years - including beating Brentford, Sheff U and Preston????? . It was the likes of Louis Thompson who shone in those games! . Who was in charge of that run? . Thats right it was Cooper and his change in system and formation! . . We had this relegation fodder spiel all last year and we were never once in danger of relegation . Wes, N.Thompson, Byrne, Luongo, L.Thompson, Kasim, Smith and Williams are the spine of our squad and all have expereince in L1 and as they are all now more experienced than last year - I'm more certain than last year we will be top half![/p][/quote]We shall see... You are entitled to your opinion, as am I. In my view playing one season in division one at most in some cases is not sufficient experience to be particularly confident about next season. Towards the end of last season, Cooper got lucky - Troy regained his fitness, McEveley played LB and we were fortunate to have the best young player of last season in Stephens. And without the back four including those 3 and Nathan, we would have seen a continuation of that dire 12 match run, when we were terrible. And Cooper resorted to infamous 4-6-0. And where are the goals going to come from, especially away from home. Williams, Barker and Smith what more need I say? Money constraints accepted, we should follow the example set by Brentford last season - strengthen the squad with experienced players and let the younger lads play around them.[/p][/quote]London Red you plank WE LOST ARE LAST 2 GAMES scoring 1 goal and conceding 4... Well said midlandrobin spot on[/p][/quote]I'm the plank? We may have lost OUR last 2 games but what about the great run before that - you know the best for over 25 years? . You are exactly the minority Cooper was referring about - focus only on the downside! . We could lose 2 go unbeaten for 42 and then lose 2 and it will only be the 4 defeats you bleat on about again and again![/p][/quote]WHAT ABOUT THE 16 GAMES BEFORE THAT..You no the one were we never won a game !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!.NO THOUGHT NOT Are worse run in 29 years. You are exactly the minority Cooper was referring about - focus only on the downside!.. I DONT CARE WHAT THAT OTHER PLANK THINKS.. Sorry if you fell that way london BUT i do really want to be positive but looking at what we have in are squad TO ME it is very very hard to see the positive side PS Look at the minority of planks that on on this site dazzastfc
  • Score: -7

7:59pm Wed 23 Jul 14

South Stand says...

dazzastfc wrote:
London Red wrote:
dazzastfc wrote:
MidlandRobin wrote:
London Red wrote:
MidlandRobin wrote:
London Red wrote: Cooper and Power have both said we are looking at 4 loans - 2 CBs, 1 LB and 1 CF . I would therefore, think this has no impact on Stephens as that still leaves another CB . I would have thought as some have suggested that this could be a "trial" to see if he has enough about thim to extend for the year - maybe as an alternative to the other initial CB lined up as they were all meant to be Premiership - which Derby are not . As for filling our squad or borrowing a team is 4 really doing that? . That is only a tiny percentage of our squad comapred to our own players! . 19 Full time Pros (ex Ward and Harley), 2 Scholars and potentially 3 or 4 loanees to make a squad of 25 - so that is over 75% Perm STFC players and about 85% if Scholars included - pretty much an STFC squad if you ask me! . First team too is likely to be 8 or 9 STFC players - so again 75-80% . Squad Foderingham - STFC Belford - STFC N.Thompson - STFC Barthram - STFC Byrne - STFC Jones - STFC Branco - STFC Antonio - STFC De Costa - STFC Luongo - STFC L.Thompson - STFC Kasim - STFC Rodgers - STFC Gladwin - STFC Tijane - STFC Williams - STFC Smith - STFC Barker - STFC Waldon - STFC -------------------- ------------ Randell - STFC Scholar Marshall - STFC Scholar -------------------- ------------ Lelan - Loan Stephens (?) - Loan Smith (?) - Loan A.Other (?) - Loan
Where's the essential experience for this division? When the heads drop away from home as they did last season too often. Who's going to be there to pick them up? Cooper is no inspiration when the going gets tough. You only have to watch him in the dugout, or listen to him on the radio or watch a post match interview. There's nothing there. Is Cooper scared of signing experienced players? Too much of a threat to his authority? Hope I'm really wrong, but we could potentially be bottom four come Christmas if nothing is done. GOOD SOLID EXPERIENCED signings need to be made before the season starts.
Where were the "GOOD SOLID EXPERIENCED" players when we ended the season with our best run in over 25 years - including beating Brentford, Sheff U and Preston?????
.
It was the likes of Louis Thompson who shone in those games!
.
Who was in charge of that run?
.
Thats right it was Cooper and his change in system and formation!
.
.
We had this relegation fodder spiel all last year and we were never once in danger of relegation
.
Wes, N.Thompson, Byrne, Luongo, L.Thompson, Kasim, Smith and Williams are the spine of our squad and all have expereince in L1 and as they are all now more experienced than last year - I'm more certain than last year we will be top half!
We shall see... You are entitled to your opinion, as am I.

In my view playing one season in division one at most in some cases is not sufficient experience to be particularly confident about next season.

Towards the end of last season, Cooper got lucky - Troy regained his fitness, McEveley played LB and we were fortunate to have the best young player of last season in Stephens. And without the back four including those 3 and Nathan, we would have seen a continuation of that dire 12 match run, when we were terrible. And Cooper resorted to infamous 4-6-0.

And where are the goals going to come from, especially away from home. Williams, Barker and Smith what more need I say?

Money constraints accepted, we should follow the example set by Brentford last season - strengthen the squad with experienced players and let the younger lads play around them.
London Red you plank WE LOST ARE LAST 2 GAMES scoring 1 goal and conceding 4...

Well said midlandrobin spot on
I'm the plank? We may have lost OUR last 2 games but what about the great run before that - you know the best for over 25 years?
.
You are exactly the minority Cooper was referring about - focus only on the downside!
.
We could lose 2 go unbeaten for 42 and then lose 2 and it will only be the 4 defeats you bleat on about again and again!
WHAT ABOUT THE 16 GAMES BEFORE THAT..You no the one were we never won a game !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!.NO THOUGHT NOT
Are worse run in 29 years.

You are exactly the minority Cooper was referring about - focus only on the downside!..
I DONT CARE WHAT THAT OTHER PLANK THINKS..

Sorry if you fell that way london BUT i do really want to be positive but looking at what we have in are squad TO ME it is very very hard to see the positive side

PS Look at the minority of planks that on on this site
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hahahahahahahahaha. you've given yourself away dazza. I'm now assuming that due to the level of your language abilities you can't even be English. Know-won can posibbly maek that meny missteaks and have bean edjewcated in this cuntree.
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hahahahahaha loser.
[quote][p][bold]dazzastfc[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]London Red[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]dazzastfc[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]MidlandRobin[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]London Red[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]MidlandRobin[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]London Red[/bold] wrote: Cooper and Power have both said we are looking at 4 loans - 2 CBs, 1 LB and 1 CF . I would therefore, think this has no impact on Stephens as that still leaves another CB . I would have thought as some have suggested that this could be a "trial" to see if he has enough about thim to extend for the year - maybe as an alternative to the other initial CB lined up as they were all meant to be Premiership - which Derby are not . As for filling our squad or borrowing a team is 4 really doing that? . That is only a tiny percentage of our squad comapred to our own players! . 19 Full time Pros (ex Ward and Harley), 2 Scholars and potentially 3 or 4 loanees to make a squad of 25 - so that is over 75% Perm STFC players and about 85% if Scholars included - pretty much an STFC squad if you ask me! . First team too is likely to be 8 or 9 STFC players - so again 75-80% . Squad Foderingham - STFC Belford - STFC N.Thompson - STFC Barthram - STFC Byrne - STFC Jones - STFC Branco - STFC Antonio - STFC De Costa - STFC Luongo - STFC L.Thompson - STFC Kasim - STFC Rodgers - STFC Gladwin - STFC Tijane - STFC Williams - STFC Smith - STFC Barker - STFC Waldon - STFC -------------------- ------------ Randell - STFC Scholar Marshall - STFC Scholar -------------------- ------------ Lelan - Loan Stephens (?) - Loan Smith (?) - Loan A.Other (?) - Loan[/p][/quote]Where's the essential experience for this division? When the heads drop away from home as they did last season too often. Who's going to be there to pick them up? Cooper is no inspiration when the going gets tough. You only have to watch him in the dugout, or listen to him on the radio or watch a post match interview. There's nothing there. Is Cooper scared of signing experienced players? Too much of a threat to his authority? Hope I'm really wrong, but we could potentially be bottom four come Christmas if nothing is done. GOOD SOLID EXPERIENCED signings need to be made before the season starts.[/p][/quote]Where were the "GOOD SOLID EXPERIENCED" players when we ended the season with our best run in over 25 years - including beating Brentford, Sheff U and Preston????? . It was the likes of Louis Thompson who shone in those games! . Who was in charge of that run? . Thats right it was Cooper and his change in system and formation! . . We had this relegation fodder spiel all last year and we were never once in danger of relegation . Wes, N.Thompson, Byrne, Luongo, L.Thompson, Kasim, Smith and Williams are the spine of our squad and all have expereince in L1 and as they are all now more experienced than last year - I'm more certain than last year we will be top half![/p][/quote]We shall see... You are entitled to your opinion, as am I. In my view playing one season in division one at most in some cases is not sufficient experience to be particularly confident about next season. Towards the end of last season, Cooper got lucky - Troy regained his fitness, McEveley played LB and we were fortunate to have the best young player of last season in Stephens. And without the back four including those 3 and Nathan, we would have seen a continuation of that dire 12 match run, when we were terrible. And Cooper resorted to infamous 4-6-0. And where are the goals going to come from, especially away from home. Williams, Barker and Smith what more need I say? Money constraints accepted, we should follow the example set by Brentford last season - strengthen the squad with experienced players and let the younger lads play around them.[/p][/quote]London Red you plank WE LOST ARE LAST 2 GAMES scoring 1 goal and conceding 4... Well said midlandrobin spot on[/p][/quote]I'm the plank? We may have lost OUR last 2 games but what about the great run before that - you know the best for over 25 years? . You are exactly the minority Cooper was referring about - focus only on the downside! . We could lose 2 go unbeaten for 42 and then lose 2 and it will only be the 4 defeats you bleat on about again and again![/p][/quote]WHAT ABOUT THE 16 GAMES BEFORE THAT..You no the one were we never won a game !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!.NO THOUGHT NOT Are worse run in 29 years. You are exactly the minority Cooper was referring about - focus only on the downside!.. I DONT CARE WHAT THAT OTHER PLANK THINKS.. Sorry if you fell that way london BUT i do really want to be positive but looking at what we have in are squad TO ME it is very very hard to see the positive side PS Look at the minority of planks that on on this site[/p][/quote]hahahahahahahahahaha hahahahahahahahahaha hahahahahahahahahaha hahahahahahahahaha. you've given yourself away dazza. I'm now assuming that due to the level of your language abilities you can't even be English. Know-won can posibbly maek that meny missteaks and have bean edjewcated in this cuntree. hahahahahahahahahaha hahahahahahahahahaha hahahahahaha loser. South Stand
  • Score: 3

8:06pm Wed 23 Jul 14

lifelong red says...

The Jockster wrote:
London Red wrote:
Archive Robin wrote:
Hi All On the length of this guys loan I guess it is safe to assume that they want to look at him first to see how he fits in and plays alongside say Branco or whoever we have - it could also be that maybe they are looking to pair him with Stephens (hopefully we'll get him) and also have him as cover. I think they are right with the loan deal as we came a bit unstuck last season with Hall being signed on a season long loan and not quite up to scratch - obviously different circumstances due to the other players signed but I can understand their thinking. Talking of Grant Hall it's interesting to see Birmingham have signed him on a season long loan.
I don't think its that "interesting" as I think he was made a scape goat by too many here
.
When he dropped out injured and Troy firest came in we actually got WORSE defensively!
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It was only post Wolves when Ward went out and Stephens came in that we tightened up at the back
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Had Hall had a chance to play as the LCB alongside Troy and Stephens I'm certain we would have seen a difference and the view on him would be totally different now
.
I'm sure he will do very well at Brum this year - lets also not forget they rate him highly that they initally went in for him last year and then paid to have a no break clause added to the loan this year!
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No he was not perfect and yes he did make mistakes - but so did everyone - I just think the whole Ward/Hall partnership was a disaster which led to Hall looking wrose than he actually is!
I'd agree LR hall was definitely showing signs of improvement the longer the season went on and I think you're right that some of this improvement was masked trying to cover Wards arse.
Why the minus for this , absolutely spot on .
[quote][p][bold]The Jockster[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]London Red[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Archive Robin[/bold] wrote: Hi All On the length of this guys loan I guess it is safe to assume that they want to look at him first to see how he fits in and plays alongside say Branco or whoever we have - it could also be that maybe they are looking to pair him with Stephens (hopefully we'll get him) and also have him as cover. I think they are right with the loan deal as we came a bit unstuck last season with Hall being signed on a season long loan and not quite up to scratch - obviously different circumstances due to the other players signed but I can understand their thinking. Talking of Grant Hall it's interesting to see Birmingham have signed him on a season long loan.[/p][/quote]I don't think its that "interesting" as I think he was made a scape goat by too many here . When he dropped out injured and Troy firest came in we actually got WORSE defensively! . It was only post Wolves when Ward went out and Stephens came in that we tightened up at the back . Had Hall had a chance to play as the LCB alongside Troy and Stephens I'm certain we would have seen a difference and the view on him would be totally different now . I'm sure he will do very well at Brum this year - lets also not forget they rate him highly that they initally went in for him last year and then paid to have a no break clause added to the loan this year! . No he was not perfect and yes he did make mistakes - but so did everyone - I just think the whole Ward/Hall partnership was a disaster which led to Hall looking wrose than he actually is![/p][/quote]I'd agree LR hall was definitely showing signs of improvement the longer the season went on and I think you're right that some of this improvement was masked trying to cover Wards arse.[/p][/quote]Why the minus for this , absolutely spot on . lifelong red
  • Score: -3

8:16pm Wed 23 Jul 14

London Red says...

dazzastfc wrote:
London Red wrote:
dazzastfc wrote:
MidlandRobin wrote:
London Red wrote:
MidlandRobin wrote:
London Red wrote: Cooper and Power have both said we are looking at 4 loans - 2 CBs, 1 LB and 1 CF . I would therefore, think this has no impact on Stephens as that still leaves another CB . I would have thought as some have suggested that this could be a "trial" to see if he has enough about thim to extend for the year - maybe as an alternative to the other initial CB lined up as they were all meant to be Premiership - which Derby are not . As for filling our squad or borrowing a team is 4 really doing that? . That is only a tiny percentage of our squad comapred to our own players! . 19 Full time Pros (ex Ward and Harley), 2 Scholars and potentially 3 or 4 loanees to make a squad of 25 - so that is over 75% Perm STFC players and about 85% if Scholars included - pretty much an STFC squad if you ask me! . First team too is likely to be 8 or 9 STFC players - so again 75-80% . Squad Foderingham - STFC Belford - STFC N.Thompson - STFC Barthram - STFC Byrne - STFC Jones - STFC Branco - STFC Antonio - STFC De Costa - STFC Luongo - STFC L.Thompson - STFC Kasim - STFC Rodgers - STFC Gladwin - STFC Tijane - STFC Williams - STFC Smith - STFC Barker - STFC Waldon - STFC -------------------- ------------ Randell - STFC Scholar Marshall - STFC Scholar -------------------- ------------ Lelan - Loan Stephens (?) - Loan Smith (?) - Loan A.Other (?) - Loan
Where's the essential experience for this division? When the heads drop away from home as they did last season too often. Who's going to be there to pick them up? Cooper is no inspiration when the going gets tough. You only have to watch him in the dugout, or listen to him on the radio or watch a post match interview. There's nothing there. Is Cooper scared of signing experienced players? Too much of a threat to his authority? Hope I'm really wrong, but we could potentially be bottom four come Christmas if nothing is done. GOOD SOLID EXPERIENCED signings need to be made before the season starts.
Where were the "GOOD SOLID EXPERIENCED" players when we ended the season with our best run in over 25 years - including beating Brentford, Sheff U and Preston?????
.
It was the likes of Louis Thompson who shone in those games!
.
Who was in charge of that run?
.
Thats right it was Cooper and his change in system and formation!
.
.
We had this relegation fodder spiel all last year and we were never once in danger of relegation
.
Wes, N.Thompson, Byrne, Luongo, L.Thompson, Kasim, Smith and Williams are the spine of our squad and all have expereince in L1 and as they are all now more experienced than last year - I'm more certain than last year we will be top half!
We shall see... You are entitled to your opinion, as am I.

In my view playing one season in division one at most in some cases is not sufficient experience to be particularly confident about next season.

Towards the end of last season, Cooper got lucky - Troy regained his fitness, McEveley played LB and we were fortunate to have the best young player of last season in Stephens. And without the back four including those 3 and Nathan, we would have seen a continuation of that dire 12 match run, when we were terrible. And Cooper resorted to infamous 4-6-0.

And where are the goals going to come from, especially away from home. Williams, Barker and Smith what more need I say?

Money constraints accepted, we should follow the example set by Brentford last season - strengthen the squad with experienced players and let the younger lads play around them.
London Red you plank WE LOST ARE LAST 2 GAMES scoring 1 goal and conceding 4...

Well said midlandrobin spot on
I'm the plank? We may have lost OUR last 2 games but what about the great run before that - you know the best for over 25 years?
.
You are exactly the minority Cooper was referring about - focus only on the downside!
.
We could lose 2 go unbeaten for 42 and then lose 2 and it will only be the 4 defeats you bleat on about again and again!
WHAT ABOUT THE 16 GAMES BEFORE THAT..You no the one were we never won a game !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!.NO THOUGHT NOT
Are worse run in 29 years.

You are exactly the minority Cooper was referring about - focus only on the downside!..
I DONT CARE WHAT THAT OTHER PLANK THINKS..

Sorry if you fell that way london BUT i do really want to be positive but looking at what we have in are squad TO ME it is very very hard to see the positive side

PS Look at the minority of planks that on on this site
You really need to actually do some research before making a complete tw@t of yourself!!
.
OUR worse run for 29 years - where we failed to win for 16 games????
.
Ok the winless run was 7 - granted not great but isn't anywhere near as bad as you make it out to be
.
Also what about 2010/11??????
.
You know where we went 18 - yes EIGHTEEN GAMES - without a win!
.
Which was followed up with another 4 after a rare win at Brentford making in 1 win 23!
.
Now that is a poor run and that was under a vastly experienced manager with a squad full of vastly experienced players!
[quote][p][bold]dazzastfc[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]London Red[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]dazzastfc[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]MidlandRobin[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]London Red[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]MidlandRobin[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]London Red[/bold] wrote: Cooper and Power have both said we are looking at 4 loans - 2 CBs, 1 LB and 1 CF . I would therefore, think this has no impact on Stephens as that still leaves another CB . I would have thought as some have suggested that this could be a "trial" to see if he has enough about thim to extend for the year - maybe as an alternative to the other initial CB lined up as they were all meant to be Premiership - which Derby are not . As for filling our squad or borrowing a team is 4 really doing that? . That is only a tiny percentage of our squad comapred to our own players! . 19 Full time Pros (ex Ward and Harley), 2 Scholars and potentially 3 or 4 loanees to make a squad of 25 - so that is over 75% Perm STFC players and about 85% if Scholars included - pretty much an STFC squad if you ask me! . First team too is likely to be 8 or 9 STFC players - so again 75-80% . Squad Foderingham - STFC Belford - STFC N.Thompson - STFC Barthram - STFC Byrne - STFC Jones - STFC Branco - STFC Antonio - STFC De Costa - STFC Luongo - STFC L.Thompson - STFC Kasim - STFC Rodgers - STFC Gladwin - STFC Tijane - STFC Williams - STFC Smith - STFC Barker - STFC Waldon - STFC -------------------- ------------ Randell - STFC Scholar Marshall - STFC Scholar -------------------- ------------ Lelan - Loan Stephens (?) - Loan Smith (?) - Loan A.Other (?) - Loan[/p][/quote]Where's the essential experience for this division? When the heads drop away from home as they did last season too often. Who's going to be there to pick them up? Cooper is no inspiration when the going gets tough. You only have to watch him in the dugout, or listen to him on the radio or watch a post match interview. There's nothing there. Is Cooper scared of signing experienced players? Too much of a threat to his authority? Hope I'm really wrong, but we could potentially be bottom four come Christmas if nothing is done. GOOD SOLID EXPERIENCED signings need to be made before the season starts.[/p][/quote]Where were the "GOOD SOLID EXPERIENCED" players when we ended the season with our best run in over 25 years - including beating Brentford, Sheff U and Preston????? . It was the likes of Louis Thompson who shone in those games! . Who was in charge of that run? . Thats right it was Cooper and his change in system and formation! . . We had this relegation fodder spiel all last year and we were never once in danger of relegation . Wes, N.Thompson, Byrne, Luongo, L.Thompson, Kasim, Smith and Williams are the spine of our squad and all have expereince in L1 and as they are all now more experienced than last year - I'm more certain than last year we will be top half![/p][/quote]We shall see... You are entitled to your opinion, as am I. In my view playing one season in division one at most in some cases is not sufficient experience to be particularly confident about next season. Towards the end of last season, Cooper got lucky - Troy regained his fitness, McEveley played LB and we were fortunate to have the best young player of last season in Stephens. And without the back four including those 3 and Nathan, we would have seen a continuation of that dire 12 match run, when we were terrible. And Cooper resorted to infamous 4-6-0. And where are the goals going to come from, especially away from home. Williams, Barker and Smith what more need I say? Money constraints accepted, we should follow the example set by Brentford last season - strengthen the squad with experienced players and let the younger lads play around them.[/p][/quote]London Red you plank WE LOST ARE LAST 2 GAMES scoring 1 goal and conceding 4... Well said midlandrobin spot on[/p][/quote]I'm the plank? We may have lost OUR last 2 games but what about the great run before that - you know the best for over 25 years? . You are exactly the minority Cooper was referring about - focus only on the downside! . We could lose 2 go unbeaten for 42 and then lose 2 and it will only be the 4 defeats you bleat on about again and again![/p][/quote]WHAT ABOUT THE 16 GAMES BEFORE THAT..You no the one were we never won a game !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!.NO THOUGHT NOT Are worse run in 29 years. You are exactly the minority Cooper was referring about - focus only on the downside!.. I DONT CARE WHAT THAT OTHER PLANK THINKS.. Sorry if you fell that way london BUT i do really want to be positive but looking at what we have in are squad TO ME it is very very hard to see the positive side PS Look at the minority of planks that on on this site[/p][/quote]You really need to actually do some research before making a complete tw@t of yourself!! . OUR worse run for 29 years - where we failed to win for 16 games???? . Ok the winless run was 7 - granted not great but isn't anywhere near as bad as you make it out to be . Also what about 2010/11?????? . You know where we went 18 - yes EIGHTEEN GAMES - without a win! . Which was followed up with another 4 after a rare win at Brentford making in 1 win 23! . Now that is a poor run and that was under a vastly experienced manager with a squad full of vastly experienced players! London Red
  • Score: 9

8:36pm Wed 23 Jul 14

Di kanny oh says...

harley red wrote:
Would like to think we would get a big refund on the season ticket as we are paying to watch bloody kids . Been speaking to some mates who support other teams in our league and they all think we are a joke , I think that says it all . Like some other posts on here I do not rate cooper , I suspect he is just a cheap option can't see any other club wanting him . Power has no money so why is he here ? He's here to make money buy selling the kids on . I'm sorry to all you happy clappers but this will end in tears . Cooper is already getting excuses in about kids in the side . I like to be entertained at Stfc but last year it was pretty poor . I can't see any improvement this year as it sounds like they want to play the same crap as last year . ,!!!!
WE ?? hope your not including the thousands of fans that actually support the club. Speak for yourself and what ever number of mates you have which can't be many if your moaning is anything to go by. Christ sake the season has not even started and you have them condemned, what a twot.
[quote][p][bold]harley red[/bold] wrote: Would like to think we would get a big refund on the season ticket as we are paying to watch bloody kids . Been speaking to some mates who support other teams in our league and they all think we are a joke , I think that says it all . Like some other posts on here I do not rate cooper , I suspect he is just a cheap option can't see any other club wanting him . Power has no money so why is he here ? He's here to make money buy selling the kids on . I'm sorry to all you happy clappers but this will end in tears . Cooper is already getting excuses in about kids in the side . I like to be entertained at Stfc but last year it was pretty poor . I can't see any improvement this year as it sounds like they want to play the same crap as last year . ,!!!![/p][/quote]WE ?? hope your not including the thousands of fans that actually support the club. Speak for yourself and what ever number of mates you have which can't be many if your moaning is anything to go by. Christ sake the season has not even started and you have them condemned, what a twot. Di kanny oh
  • Score: 10

8:49pm Wed 23 Jul 14

harley red says...

South Stand wrote:
harley red wrote:
Would like to think we would get a big refund on the season ticket as we are paying to watch bloody kids . Been speaking to some mates who support other teams in our league and they all think we are a joke , I think that says it all . Like some other posts on here I do not rate cooper , I suspect he is just a cheap option can't see any other club wanting him . Power has no money so why is he here ? He's here to make money buy selling the kids on . I'm sorry to all you happy clappers but this will end in tears . Cooper is already getting excuses in about kids in the side . I like to be entertained at Stfc but last year it was pretty poor . I can't see any improvement this year as it sounds like they want to play the same crap as last year . ,!!!!
Oh I see Harley has woken up, what a shame. What does he say? 'Been speaking to some mates who support other teams in our league and they all think we are a joke, I think that says it all' Haha, what very deep philosophical thinking that is. Maybe what they actually said was that they thought you were a joke.
Oh that's very clever just very childish you tosser I will remind you of this when power leaves us in the siht. He is not here for the good of Stfc he's here to make himself money .
[quote][p][bold]South Stand[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]harley red[/bold] wrote: Would like to think we would get a big refund on the season ticket as we are paying to watch bloody kids . Been speaking to some mates who support other teams in our league and they all think we are a joke , I think that says it all . Like some other posts on here I do not rate cooper , I suspect he is just a cheap option can't see any other club wanting him . Power has no money so why is he here ? He's here to make money buy selling the kids on . I'm sorry to all you happy clappers but this will end in tears . Cooper is already getting excuses in about kids in the side . I like to be entertained at Stfc but last year it was pretty poor . I can't see any improvement this year as it sounds like they want to play the same crap as last year . ,!!!![/p][/quote]Oh I see Harley has woken up, what a shame. What does he say? 'Been speaking to some mates who support other teams in our league and they all think we are a joke, I think that says it all' Haha, what very deep philosophical thinking that is. Maybe what they actually said was that they thought you were a joke.[/p][/quote]Oh that's very clever just very childish you tosser I will remind you of this when power leaves us in the siht. He is not here for the good of Stfc he's here to make himself money . harley red
  • Score: -11

8:58pm Wed 23 Jul 14

Cleuso says...

The Nomis wrote:
No wonder season ticket sales are down. On the day ticket sales will also be down. No experience, No ambition!. Bottom 4 finish I predict. Club's really moving forward, going backwards more like. Then in a few months time all you happy clappers will be on here moaning. I said the same thing when Jed & Co first arrived and vented my worries on here but was told to be quiet, give them a chance etc etc etc but I was right and all you happy clappers looked rather silly!
Were you one predicting relegation last season then...what happened to that prediction ? ...
[quote][p][bold]The Nomis[/bold] wrote: No wonder season ticket sales are down. On the day ticket sales will also be down. No experience, No ambition!. Bottom 4 finish I predict. Club's really moving forward, going backwards more like. Then in a few months time all you happy clappers will be on here moaning. I said the same thing when Jed & Co first arrived and vented my worries on here but was told to be quiet, give them a chance etc etc etc but I was right and all you happy clappers looked rather silly![/p][/quote]Were you one predicting relegation last season then...what happened to that prediction ? ... Cleuso
  • Score: 6

9:09pm Wed 23 Jul 14

South Stand says...

harley red wrote:
South Stand wrote:
harley red wrote:
Would like to think we would get a big refund on the season ticket as we are paying to watch bloody kids . Been speaking to some mates who support other teams in our league and they all think we are a joke , I think that says it all . Like some other posts on here I do not rate cooper , I suspect he is just a cheap option can't see any other club wanting him . Power has no money so why is he here ? He's here to make money buy selling the kids on . I'm sorry to all you happy clappers but this will end in tears . Cooper is already getting excuses in about kids in the side . I like to be entertained at Stfc but last year it was pretty poor . I can't see any improvement this year as it sounds like they want to play the same crap as last year . ,!!!!
Oh I see Harley has woken up, what a shame. What does he say? 'Been speaking to some mates who support other teams in our league and they all think we are a joke, I think that says it all' Haha, what very deep philosophical thinking that is. Maybe what they actually said was that they thought you were a joke.
Oh that's very clever just very childish you tosser I will remind you of this when power leaves us in the siht. He is not here for the good of Stfc he's here to make himself money .
Well of course he is. You must be the last person to realise this. Well done that the penny dropped with you. Maybe you're not as thick as you seem. Oh, while I'm at it, get back to your own team. I've experienced this behaviour before. Fans of lesser clubs coming on STFC message boards because we're much more interesting than their own.
[quote][p][bold]harley red[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]South Stand[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]harley red[/bold] wrote: Would like to think we would get a big refund on the season ticket as we are paying to watch bloody kids . Been speaking to some mates who support other teams in our league and they all think we are a joke , I think that says it all . Like some other posts on here I do not rate cooper , I suspect he is just a cheap option can't see any other club wanting him . Power has no money so why is he here ? He's here to make money buy selling the kids on . I'm sorry to all you happy clappers but this will end in tears . Cooper is already getting excuses in about kids in the side . I like to be entertained at Stfc but last year it was pretty poor . I can't see any improvement this year as it sounds like they want to play the same crap as last year . ,!!!![/p][/quote]Oh I see Harley has woken up, what a shame. What does he say? 'Been speaking to some mates who support other teams in our league and they all think we are a joke, I think that says it all' Haha, what very deep philosophical thinking that is. Maybe what they actually said was that they thought you were a joke.[/p][/quote]Oh that's very clever just very childish you tosser I will remind you of this when power leaves us in the siht. He is not here for the good of Stfc he's here to make himself money .[/p][/quote]Well of course he is. You must be the last person to realise this. Well done that the penny dropped with you. Maybe you're not as thick as you seem. Oh, while I'm at it, get back to your own team. I've experienced this behaviour before. Fans of lesser clubs coming on STFC message boards because we're much more interesting than their own. South Stand
  • Score: 3

9:21pm Wed 23 Jul 14

dazzastfc says...

London Red wrote:
dazzastfc wrote:
London Red wrote:
dazzastfc wrote:
MidlandRobin wrote:
London Red wrote:
MidlandRobin wrote:
London Red wrote: Cooper and Power have both said we are looking at 4 loans - 2 CBs, 1 LB and 1 CF . I would therefore, think this has no impact on Stephens as that still leaves another CB . I would have thought as some have suggested that this could be a "trial" to see if he has enough about thim to extend for the year - maybe as an alternative to the other initial CB lined up as they were all meant to be Premiership - which Derby are not . As for filling our squad or borrowing a team is 4 really doing that? . That is only a tiny percentage of our squad comapred to our own players! . 19 Full time Pros (ex Ward and Harley), 2 Scholars and potentially 3 or 4 loanees to make a squad of 25 - so that is over 75% Perm STFC players and about 85% if Scholars included - pretty much an STFC squad if you ask me! . First team too is likely to be 8 or 9 STFC players - so again 75-80% . Squad Foderingham - STFC Belford - STFC N.Thompson - STFC Barthram - STFC Byrne - STFC Jones - STFC Branco - STFC Antonio - STFC De Costa - STFC Luongo - STFC L.Thompson - STFC Kasim - STFC Rodgers - STFC Gladwin - STFC Tijane - STFC Williams - STFC Smith - STFC Barker - STFC Waldon - STFC -------------------- ------------ Randell - STFC Scholar Marshall - STFC Scholar -------------------- ------------ Lelan - Loan Stephens (?) - Loan Smith (?) - Loan A.Other (?) - Loan
Where's the essential experience for this division? When the heads drop away from home as they did last season too often. Who's going to be there to pick them up? Cooper is no inspiration when the going gets tough. You only have to watch him in the dugout, or listen to him on the radio or watch a post match interview. There's nothing there. Is Cooper scared of signing experienced players? Too much of a threat to his authority? Hope I'm really wrong, but we could potentially be bottom four come Christmas if nothing is done. GOOD SOLID EXPERIENCED signings need to be made before the season starts.
Where were the "GOOD SOLID EXPERIENCED" players when we ended the season with our best run in over 25 years - including beating Brentford, Sheff U and Preston?????
.
It was the likes of Louis Thompson who shone in those games!
.
Who was in charge of that run?
.
Thats right it was Cooper and his change in system and formation!
.
.
We had this relegation fodder spiel all last year and we were never once in danger of relegation
.
Wes, N.Thompson, Byrne, Luongo, L.Thompson, Kasim, Smith and Williams are the spine of our squad and all have expereince in L1 and as they are all now more experienced than last year - I'm more certain than last year we will be top half!
We shall see... You are entitled to your opinion, as am I.

In my view playing one season in division one at most in some cases is not sufficient experience to be particularly confident about next season.

Towards the end of last season, Cooper got lucky - Troy regained his fitness, McEveley played LB and we were fortunate to have the best young player of last season in Stephens. And without the back four including those 3 and Nathan, we would have seen a continuation of that dire 12 match run, when we were terrible. And Cooper resorted to infamous 4-6-0.

And where are the goals going to come from, especially away from home. Williams, Barker and Smith what more need I say?

Money constraints accepted, we should follow the example set by Brentford last season - strengthen the squad with experienced players and let the younger lads play around them.
London Red you plank WE LOST ARE LAST 2 GAMES scoring 1 goal and conceding 4...

Well said midlandrobin spot on
I'm the plank? We may have lost OUR last 2 games but what about the great run before that - you know the best for over 25 years?
.
You are exactly the minority Cooper was referring about - focus only on the downside!
.
We could lose 2 go unbeaten for 42 and then lose 2 and it will only be the 4 defeats you bleat on about again and again!
WHAT ABOUT THE 16 GAMES BEFORE THAT..You no the one were we never won a game !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!.NO THOUGHT NOT
Are worse run in 29 years.

You are exactly the minority Cooper was referring about - focus only on the downside!..
I DONT CARE WHAT THAT OTHER PLANK THINKS..

Sorry if you fell that way london BUT i do really want to be positive but looking at what we have in are squad TO ME it is very very hard to see the positive side

PS Look at the minority of planks that on on this site
You really need to actually do some research before making a complete tw@t of yourself!!
.
OUR worse run for 29 years - where we failed to win for 16 games????
.
Ok the winless run was 7 - granted not great but isn't anywhere near as bad as you make it out to be
.
Also what about 2010/11??????
.
You know where we went 18 - yes EIGHTEEN GAMES - without a win!
.
Which was followed up with another 4 after a rare win at Brentford making in 1 win 23!
.
Now that is a poor run and that was under a vastly experienced manager with a squad full of vastly experienced players!
I just love winding you up as you think you no everything about STFC..
I dont have time to research as you put it...I work.

As Brentford steve was spot on about you..
Nice block but never wrong..

I get it you love what is happening at STFC as you can see use being a c/ship club with power and cooper at the helm,BUT then again you thought the same under Fitton @ Malpas,,,lots of laughs LR please spot snapping all the time its only banter
[quote][p][bold]London Red[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]dazzastfc[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]London Red[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]dazzastfc[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]MidlandRobin[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]London Red[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]MidlandRobin[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]London Red[/bold] wrote: Cooper and Power have both said we are looking at 4 loans - 2 CBs, 1 LB and 1 CF . I would therefore, think this has no impact on Stephens as that still leaves another CB . I would have thought as some have suggested that this could be a "trial" to see if he has enough about thim to extend for the year - maybe as an alternative to the other initial CB lined up as they were all meant to be Premiership - which Derby are not . As for filling our squad or borrowing a team is 4 really doing that? . That is only a tiny percentage of our squad comapred to our own players! . 19 Full time Pros (ex Ward and Harley), 2 Scholars and potentially 3 or 4 loanees to make a squad of 25 - so that is over 75% Perm STFC players and about 85% if Scholars included - pretty much an STFC squad if you ask me! . First team too is likely to be 8 or 9 STFC players - so again 75-80% . Squad Foderingham - STFC Belford - STFC N.Thompson - STFC Barthram - STFC Byrne - STFC Jones - STFC Branco - STFC Antonio - STFC De Costa - STFC Luongo - STFC L.Thompson - STFC Kasim - STFC Rodgers - STFC Gladwin - STFC Tijane - STFC Williams - STFC Smith - STFC Barker - STFC Waldon - STFC -------------------- ------------ Randell - STFC Scholar Marshall - STFC Scholar -------------------- ------------ Lelan - Loan Stephens (?) - Loan Smith (?) - Loan A.Other (?) - Loan[/p][/quote]Where's the essential experience for this division? When the heads drop away from home as they did last season too often. Who's going to be there to pick them up? Cooper is no inspiration when the going gets tough. You only have to watch him in the dugout, or listen to him on the radio or watch a post match interview. There's nothing there. Is Cooper scared of signing experienced players? Too much of a threat to his authority? Hope I'm really wrong, but we could potentially be bottom four come Christmas if nothing is done. GOOD SOLID EXPERIENCED signings need to be made before the season starts.[/p][/quote]Where were the "GOOD SOLID EXPERIENCED" players when we ended the season with our best run in over 25 years - including beating Brentford, Sheff U and Preston????? . It was the likes of Louis Thompson who shone in those games! . Who was in charge of that run? . Thats right it was Cooper and his change in system and formation! . . We had this relegation fodder spiel all last year and we were never once in danger of relegation . Wes, N.Thompson, Byrne, Luongo, L.Thompson, Kasim, Smith and Williams are the spine of our squad and all have expereince in L1 and as they are all now more experienced than last year - I'm more certain than last year we will be top half![/p][/quote]We shall see... You are entitled to your opinion, as am I. In my view playing one season in division one at most in some cases is not sufficient experience to be particularly confident about next season. Towards the end of last season, Cooper got lucky - Troy regained his fitness, McEveley played LB and we were fortunate to have the best young player of last season in Stephens. And without the back four including those 3 and Nathan, we would have seen a continuation of that dire 12 match run, when we were terrible. And Cooper resorted to infamous 4-6-0. And where are the goals going to come from, especially away from home. Williams, Barker and Smith what more need I say? Money constraints accepted, we should follow the example set by Brentford last season - strengthen the squad with experienced players and let the younger lads play around them.[/p][/quote]London Red you plank WE LOST ARE LAST 2 GAMES scoring 1 goal and conceding 4... Well said midlandrobin spot on[/p][/quote]I'm the plank? We may have lost OUR last 2 games but what about the great run before that - you know the best for over 25 years? . You are exactly the minority Cooper was referring about - focus only on the downside! . We could lose 2 go unbeaten for 42 and then lose 2 and it will only be the 4 defeats you bleat on about again and again![/p][/quote]WHAT ABOUT THE 16 GAMES BEFORE THAT..You no the one were we never won a game !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!.NO THOUGHT NOT Are worse run in 29 years. You are exactly the minority Cooper was referring about - focus only on the downside!.. I DONT CARE WHAT THAT OTHER PLANK THINKS.. Sorry if you fell that way london BUT i do really want to be positive but looking at what we have in are squad TO ME it is very very hard to see the positive side PS Look at the minority of planks that on on this site[/p][/quote]You really need to actually do some research before making a complete tw@t of yourself!! . OUR worse run for 29 years - where we failed to win for 16 games???? . Ok the winless run was 7 - granted not great but isn't anywhere near as bad as you make it out to be . Also what about 2010/11?????? . You know where we went 18 - yes EIGHTEEN GAMES - without a win! . Which was followed up with another 4 after a rare win at Brentford making in 1 win 23! . Now that is a poor run and that was under a vastly experienced manager with a squad full of vastly experienced players![/p][/quote]I just love winding you up as you think you no everything about STFC.. I dont have time to research as you put it...I work. As Brentford steve was spot on about you.. Nice block but never wrong.. I get it you love what is happening at STFC as you can see use being a c/ship club with power and cooper at the helm,BUT then again you thought the same under Fitton @ Malpas,,,lots of laughs LR please spot snapping all the time its only banter dazzastfc
  • Score: -8

9:26pm Wed 23 Jul 14

Cleuso says...

harley red wrote:
Would like to think we would get a big refund on the season ticket as we are paying to watch bloody kids . Been speaking to some mates who support other teams in our league and they all think we are a joke , I think that says it all . Like some other posts on here I do not rate cooper , I suspect he is just a cheap option can't see any other club wanting him . Power has no money so why is he here ? He's here to make money buy selling the kids on . I'm sorry to all you happy clappers but this will end in tears . Cooper is already getting excuses in about kids in the side . I like to be entertained at Stfc but last year it was pretty poor . I can't see any improvement this year as it sounds like they want to play the same crap as last year . ,!!!!
Harley Red,

Sounds like it's about time you put your master plans A , B and C in place to "rescue" the season.. first off time for you to put your own millions into the club so we can sign up as many briliant players be so far ahead of the opposition that winning becomes boring.

As for season tickets, absolutely no doubt you aren't due a refund as you have always said you were not going to renew either for this season or last....

One of the continuous negative posters who either thinks he knows best without having an understanding, or just another wind up merchant trying to incite furore before the season has even started .

If we get relegated so what ? ..obviously I would prefer a good season, any season above half way is always good ..but having a club to support long term is far more important than any one season in isolation.

The premier league has ensured that clubs like the Town will never be successful in the truest sense as in reality the town or club can no longer compete with the major money moguls that ultimately rule the game. Time you got that perspective or you will still be posting your angst in 20 years time... next season and in the seasons that follow, win lose or draw, I will be supporting the team ... will you ?

If so get that reality check, if not, time to go elswhere with your constant negativity.

If you think you have ideas on what the squad should be , how it is financed please enlighten us all and perhaps you can even be installed to manage them. Until then I will support what we have got.
[quote][p][bold]harley red[/bold] wrote: Would like to think we would get a big refund on the season ticket as we are paying to watch bloody kids . Been speaking to some mates who support other teams in our league and they all think we are a joke , I think that says it all . Like some other posts on here I do not rate cooper , I suspect he is just a cheap option can't see any other club wanting him . Power has no money so why is he here ? He's here to make money buy selling the kids on . I'm sorry to all you happy clappers but this will end in tears . Cooper is already getting excuses in about kids in the side . I like to be entertained at Stfc but last year it was pretty poor . I can't see any improvement this year as it sounds like they want to play the same crap as last year . ,!!!![/p][/quote]Harley Red, Sounds like it's about time you put your master plans A , B and C in place to "rescue" the season.. first off time for you to put your own millions into the club so we can sign up as many briliant players be so far ahead of the opposition that winning becomes boring. As for season tickets, absolutely no doubt you aren't due a refund as you have always said you were not going to renew either for this season or last.... One of the continuous negative posters who either thinks he knows best without having an understanding, or just another wind up merchant trying to incite furore before the season has even started . If we get relegated so what ? ..obviously I would prefer a good season, any season above half way is always good ..but having a club to support long term is far more important than any one season in isolation. The premier league has ensured that clubs like the Town will never be successful in the truest sense as in reality the town or club can no longer compete with the major money moguls that ultimately rule the game. Time you got that perspective or you will still be posting your angst in 20 years time... next season and in the seasons that follow, win lose or draw, I will be supporting the team ... will you ? If so get that reality check, if not, time to go elswhere with your constant negativity. If you think you have ideas on what the squad should be , how it is financed please enlighten us all and perhaps you can even be installed to manage them. Until then I will support what we have got. Cleuso
  • Score: 7

9:31pm Wed 23 Jul 14

Di kanny oh says...

harley red wrote:
South Stand wrote:
harley red wrote:
Would like to think we would get a big refund on the season ticket as we are paying to watch bloody kids . Been speaking to some mates who support other teams in our league and they all think we are a joke , I think that says it all . Like some other posts on here I do not rate cooper , I suspect he is just a cheap option can't see any other club wanting him . Power has no money so why is he here ? He's here to make money buy selling the kids on . I'm sorry to all you happy clappers but this will end in tears . Cooper is already getting excuses in about kids in the side . I like to be entertained at Stfc but last year it was pretty poor . I can't see any improvement this year as it sounds like they want to play the same crap as last year . ,!!!!
Oh I see Harley has woken up, what a shame. What does he say? 'Been speaking to some mates who support other teams in our league and they all think we are a joke, I think that says it all' Haha, what very deep philosophical thinking that is. Maybe what they actually said was that they thought you were a joke.
Oh that's very clever just very childish you tosser I will remind you of this when power leaves us in the siht. He is not here for the good of Stfc he's here to make himself money .
Harley I take it you go to work and its for money ? yes ! well may be you should tell them not to pay you then and you can do it for the love of it just like you are asking Lee Power to do. What a bell end.
[quote][p][bold]harley red[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]South Stand[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]harley red[/bold] wrote: Would like to think we would get a big refund on the season ticket as we are paying to watch bloody kids . Been speaking to some mates who support other teams in our league and they all think we are a joke , I think that says it all . Like some other posts on here I do not rate cooper , I suspect he is just a cheap option can't see any other club wanting him . Power has no money so why is he here ? He's here to make money buy selling the kids on . I'm sorry to all you happy clappers but this will end in tears . Cooper is already getting excuses in about kids in the side . I like to be entertained at Stfc but last year it was pretty poor . I can't see any improvement this year as it sounds like they want to play the same crap as last year . ,!!!![/p][/quote]Oh I see Harley has woken up, what a shame. What does he say? 'Been speaking to some mates who support other teams in our league and they all think we are a joke, I think that says it all' Haha, what very deep philosophical thinking that is. Maybe what they actually said was that they thought you were a joke.[/p][/quote]Oh that's very clever just very childish you tosser I will remind you of this when power leaves us in the siht. He is not here for the good of Stfc he's here to make himself money .[/p][/quote]Harley I take it you go to work and its for money ? yes ! well may be you should tell them not to pay you then and you can do it for the love of it just like you are asking Lee Power to do. What a bell end. Di kanny oh
  • Score: 6

9:31pm Wed 23 Jul 14

Cleuso says...

glenda hoddle wrote:
harley red wrote:
Would like to think we would get a big refund on the season ticket as we are paying to watch bloody kids . Been speaking to some mates who support other teams in our league and they all think we are a joke , I think that says it all . Like some other posts on here I do not rate cooper , I suspect he is just a cheap option can't see any other club wanting him . Power has no money so why is he here ? He's here to make money buy selling the kids on . I'm sorry to all you happy clappers but this will end in tears . Cooper is already getting excuses in about kids in the side . I like to be entertained at Stfc but last year it was pretty poor . I can't see any improvement this year as it sounds like they want to play the same crap as last year . ,!!!!
Thank god theres others that can see whats about to blow up big time. We are in trouble if theres no signings before k/off.
Harley said that before last season...no change there, his comments are as predictable as Tuesday's following Monday's....
[quote][p][bold]glenda hoddle[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]harley red[/bold] wrote: Would like to think we would get a big refund on the season ticket as we are paying to watch bloody kids . Been speaking to some mates who support other teams in our league and they all think we are a joke , I think that says it all . Like some other posts on here I do not rate cooper , I suspect he is just a cheap option can't see any other club wanting him . Power has no money so why is he here ? He's here to make money buy selling the kids on . I'm sorry to all you happy clappers but this will end in tears . Cooper is already getting excuses in about kids in the side . I like to be entertained at Stfc but last year it was pretty poor . I can't see any improvement this year as it sounds like they want to play the same crap as last year . ,!!!![/p][/quote]Thank god theres others that can see whats about to blow up big time. We are in trouble if theres no signings before k/off.[/p][/quote]Harley said that before last season...no change there, his comments are as predictable as Tuesday's following Monday's.... Cleuso
  • Score: 3

9:35pm Wed 23 Jul 14

ciclosporindorset says...

dazzastfc wrote:
London Red wrote:
dazzastfc wrote:
London Red wrote:
dazzastfc wrote:
MidlandRobin wrote:
London Red wrote:
MidlandRobin wrote:
London Red wrote: Cooper and Power have both said we are looking at 4 loans - 2 CBs, 1 LB and 1 CF . I would therefore, think this has no impact on Stephens as that still leaves another CB . I would have thought as some have suggested that this could be a "trial" to see if he has enough about thim to extend for the year - maybe as an alternative to the other initial CB lined up as they were all meant to be Premiership - which Derby are not . As for filling our squad or borrowing a team is 4 really doing that? . That is only a tiny percentage of our squad comapred to our own players! . 19 Full time Pros (ex Ward and Harley), 2 Scholars and potentially 3 or 4 loanees to make a squad of 25 - so that is over 75% Perm STFC players and about 85% if Scholars included - pretty much an STFC squad if you ask me! . First team too is likely to be 8 or 9 STFC players - so again 75-80% . Squad Foderingham - STFC Belford - STFC N.Thompson - STFC Barthram - STFC Byrne - STFC Jones - STFC Branco - STFC Antonio - STFC De Costa - STFC Luongo - STFC L.Thompson - STFC Kasim - STFC Rodgers - STFC Gladwin - STFC Tijane - STFC Williams - STFC Smith - STFC Barker - STFC Waldon - STFC -------------------- ------------ Randell - STFC Scholar Marshall - STFC Scholar -------------------- ------------ Lelan - Loan Stephens (?) - Loan Smith (?) - Loan A.Other (?) - Loan
Where's the essential experience for this division? When the heads drop away from home as they did last season too often. Who's going to be there to pick them up? Cooper is no inspiration when the going gets tough. You only have to watch him in the dugout, or listen to him on the radio or watch a post match interview. There's nothing there. Is Cooper scared of signing experienced players? Too much of a threat to his authority? Hope I'm really wrong, but we could potentially be bottom four come Christmas if nothing is done. GOOD SOLID EXPERIENCED signings need to be made before the season starts.
Where were the "GOOD SOLID EXPERIENCED" players when we ended the season with our best run in over 25 years - including beating Brentford, Sheff U and Preston?????
.
It was the likes of Louis Thompson who shone in those games!
.
Who was in charge of that run?
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Thats right it was Cooper and his change in system and formation!
.
.
We had this relegation fodder spiel all last year and we were never once in danger of relegation
.
Wes, N.Thompson, Byrne, Luongo, L.Thompson, Kasim, Smith and Williams are the spine of our squad and all have expereince in L1 and as they are all now more experienced than last year - I'm more certain than last year we will be top half!
We shall see... You are entitled to your opinion, as am I.

In my view playing one season in division one at most in some cases is not sufficient experience to be particularly confident about next season.

Towards the end of last season, Cooper got lucky - Troy regained his fitness, McEveley played LB and we were fortunate to have the best young player of last season in Stephens. And without the back four including those 3 and Nathan, we would have seen a continuation of that dire 12 match run, when we were terrible. And Cooper resorted to infamous 4-6-0.

And where are the goals going to come from, especially away from home. Williams, Barker and Smith what more need I say?

Money constraints accepted, we should follow the example set by Brentford last season - strengthen the squad with experienced players and let the younger lads play around them.
London Red you plank WE LOST ARE LAST 2 GAMES scoring 1 goal and conceding 4...

Well said midlandrobin spot on
I'm the plank? We may have lost OUR last 2 games but what about the great run before that - you know the best for over 25 years?
.
You are exactly the minority Cooper was referring about - focus only on the downside!
.
We could lose 2 go unbeaten for 42 and then lose 2 and it will only be the 4 defeats you bleat on about again and again!
WHAT ABOUT THE 16 GAMES BEFORE THAT..You no the one were we never won a game !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!.NO THOUGHT NOT
Are worse run in 29 years.

You are exactly the minority Cooper was referring about - focus only on the downside!..
I DONT CARE WHAT THAT OTHER PLANK THINKS..

Sorry if you fell that way london BUT i do really want to be positive but looking at what we have in are squad TO ME it is very very hard to see the positive side

PS Look at the minority of planks that on on this site
You really need to actually do some research before making a complete tw@t of yourself!!
.
OUR worse run for 29 years - where we failed to win for 16 games????
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Ok the winless run was 7 - granted not great but isn't anywhere near as bad as you make it out to be
.
Also what about 2010/11??????
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You know where we went 18 - yes EIGHTEEN GAMES - without a win!
.
Which was followed up with another 4 after a rare win at Brentford making in 1 win 23!
.
Now that is a poor run and that was under a vastly experienced manager with a squad full of vastly experienced players!
I just love winding you up as you think you no everything about STFC..
I dont have time to research as you put it...I work.

As Brentford steve was spot on about you..
Nice block but never wrong..

I get it you love what is happening at STFC as you can see use being a c/ship club with power and cooper at the helm,BUT then again you thought the same under Fitton @ Malpas,,,lots of laughs LR please spot snapping all the time its only banter
Disagree, it's not only banter, its poor form on your part Dazza.
[quote][p][bold]dazzastfc[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]London Red[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]dazzastfc[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]London Red[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]dazzastfc[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]MidlandRobin[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]London Red[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]MidlandRobin[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]London Red[/bold] wrote: Cooper and Power have both said we are looking at 4 loans - 2 CBs, 1 LB and 1 CF . I would therefore, think this has no impact on Stephens as that still leaves another CB . I would have thought as some have suggested that this could be a "trial" to see if he has enough about thim to extend for the year - maybe as an alternative to the other initial CB lined up as they were all meant to be Premiership - which Derby are not . As for filling our squad or borrowing a team is 4 really doing that? . That is only a tiny percentage of our squad comapred to our own players! . 19 Full time Pros (ex Ward and Harley), 2 Scholars and potentially 3 or 4 loanees to make a squad of 25 - so that is over 75% Perm STFC players and about 85% if Scholars included - pretty much an STFC squad if you ask me! . First team too is likely to be 8 or 9 STFC players - so again 75-80% . Squad Foderingham - STFC Belford - STFC N.Thompson - STFC Barthram - STFC Byrne - STFC Jones - STFC Branco - STFC Antonio - STFC De Costa - STFC Luongo - STFC L.Thompson - STFC Kasim - STFC Rodgers - STFC Gladwin - STFC Tijane - STFC Williams - STFC Smith - STFC Barker - STFC Waldon - STFC -------------------- ------------ Randell - STFC Scholar Marshall - STFC Scholar -------------------- ------------ Lelan - Loan Stephens (?) - Loan Smith (?) - Loan A.Other (?) - Loan[/p][/quote]Where's the essential experience for this division? When the heads drop away from home as they did last season too often. Who's going to be there to pick them up? Cooper is no inspiration when the going gets tough. You only have to watch him in the dugout, or listen to him on the radio or watch a post match interview. There's nothing there. Is Cooper scared of signing experienced players? Too much of a threat to his authority? Hope I'm really wrong, but we could potentially be bottom four come Christmas if nothing is done. GOOD SOLID EXPERIENCED signings need to be made before the season starts.[/p][/quote]Where were the "GOOD SOLID EXPERIENCED" players when we ended the season with our best run in over 25 years - including beating Brentford, Sheff U and Preston????? . It was the likes of Louis Thompson who shone in those games! . Who was in charge of that run? . Thats right it was Cooper and his change in system and formation! . . We had this relegation fodder spiel all last year and we were never once in danger of relegation . Wes, N.Thompson, Byrne, Luongo, L.Thompson, Kasim, Smith and Williams are the spine of our squad and all have expereince in L1 and as they are all now more experienced than last year - I'm more certain than last year we will be top half![/p][/quote]We shall see... You are entitled to your opinion, as am I. In my view playing one season in division one at most in some cases is not sufficient experience to be particularly confident about next season. Towards the end of last season, Cooper got lucky - Troy regained his fitness, McEveley played LB and we were fortunate to have the best young player of last season in Stephens. And without the back four including those 3 and Nathan, we would have seen a continuation of that dire 12 match run, when we were terrible. And Cooper resorted to infamous 4-6-0. And where are the goals going to come from, especially away from home. Williams, Barker and Smith what more need I say? Money constraints accepted, we should follow the example set by Brentford last season - strengthen the squad with experienced players and let the younger lads play around them.[/p][/quote]London Red you plank WE LOST ARE LAST 2 GAMES scoring 1 goal and conceding 4... Well said midlandrobin spot on[/p][/quote]I'm the plank? We may have lost OUR last 2 games but what about the great run before that - you know the best for over 25 years? . You are exactly the minority Cooper was referring about - focus only on the downside! . We could lose 2 go unbeaten for 42 and then lose 2 and it will only be the 4 defeats you bleat on about again and again![/p][/quote]WHAT ABOUT THE 16 GAMES BEFORE THAT..You no the one were we never won a game !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!.NO THOUGHT NOT Are worse run in 29 years. You are exactly the minority Cooper was referring about - focus only on the downside!.. I DONT CARE WHAT THAT OTHER PLANK THINKS.. Sorry if you fell that way london BUT i do really want to be positive but looking at what we have in are squad TO ME it is very very hard to see the positive side PS Look at the minority of planks that on on this site[/p][/quote]You really need to actually do some research before making a complete tw@t of yourself!! . OUR worse run for 29 years - where we failed to win for 16 games???? . Ok the winless run was 7 - granted not great but isn't anywhere near as bad as you make it out to be . Also what about 2010/11?????? . You know where we went 18 - yes EIGHTEEN GAMES - without a win! . Which was followed up with another 4 after a rare win at Brentford making in 1 win 23! . Now that is a poor run and that was under a vastly experienced manager with a squad full of vastly experienced players![/p][/quote]I just love winding you up as you think you no everything about STFC.. I dont have time to research as you put it...I work. As Brentford steve was spot on about you.. Nice block but never wrong.. I get it you love what is happening at STFC as you can see use being a c/ship club with power and cooper at the helm,BUT then again you thought the same under Fitton @ Malpas,,,lots of laughs LR please spot snapping all the time its only banter[/p][/quote]Disagree, it's not only banter, its poor form on your part Dazza. ciclosporindorset
  • Score: 2

9:37pm Wed 23 Jul 14

Di kanny oh says...

Cleuso wrote:
harley red wrote:
Would like to think we would get a big refund on the season ticket as we are paying to watch bloody kids . Been speaking to some mates who support other teams in our league and they all think we are a joke , I think that says it all . Like some other posts on here I do not rate cooper , I suspect he is just a cheap option can't see any other club wanting him . Power has no money so why is he here ? He's here to make money buy selling the kids on . I'm sorry to all you happy clappers but this will end in tears . Cooper is already getting excuses in about kids in the side . I like to be entertained at Stfc but last year it was pretty poor . I can't see any improvement this year as it sounds like they want to play the same crap as last year . ,!!!!
Harley Red,

Sounds like it's about time you put your master plans A , B and C in place to "rescue" the season.. first off time for you to put your own millions into the club so we can sign up as many briliant players be so far ahead of the opposition that winning becomes boring.

As for season tickets, absolutely no doubt you aren't due a refund as you have always said you were not going to renew either for this season or last....

One of the continuous negative posters who either thinks he knows best without having an understanding, or just another wind up merchant trying to incite furore before the season has even started .

If we get relegated so what ? ..obviously I would prefer a good season, any season above half way is always good ..but having a club to support long term is far more important than any one season in isolation.

The premier league has ensured that clubs like the Town will never be successful in the truest sense as in reality the town or club can no longer compete with the major money moguls that ultimately rule the game. Time you got that perspective or you will still be posting your angst in 20 years time... next season and in the seasons that follow, win lose or draw, I will be supporting the team ... will you ?

If so get that reality check, if not, time to go elswhere with your constant negativity.

If you think you have ideas on what the squad should be , how it is financed please enlighten us all and perhaps you can even be installed to manage them. Until then I will support what we have got.
Well said Cleuso
[quote][p][bold]Cleuso[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]harley red[/bold] wrote: Would like to think we would get a big refund on the season ticket as we are paying to watch bloody kids . Been speaking to some mates who support other teams in our league and they all think we are a joke , I think that says it all . Like some other posts on here I do not rate cooper , I suspect he is just a cheap option can't see any other club wanting him . Power has no money so why is he here ? He's here to make money buy selling the kids on . I'm sorry to all you happy clappers but this will end in tears . Cooper is already getting excuses in about kids in the side . I like to be entertained at Stfc but last year it was pretty poor . I can't see any improvement this year as it sounds like they want to play the same crap as last year . ,!!!![/p][/quote]Harley Red, Sounds like it's about time you put your master plans A , B and C in place to "rescue" the season.. first off time for you to put your own millions into the club so we can sign up as many briliant players be so far ahead of the opposition that winning becomes boring. As for season tickets, absolutely no doubt you aren't due a refund as you have always said you were not going to renew either for this season or last.... One of the continuous negative posters who either thinks he knows best without having an understanding, or just another wind up merchant trying to incite furore before the season has even started . If we get relegated so what ? ..obviously I would prefer a good season, any season above half way is always good ..but having a club to support long term is far more important than any one season in isolation. The premier league has ensured that clubs like the Town will never be successful in the truest sense as in reality the town or club can no longer compete with the major money moguls that ultimately rule the game. Time you got that perspective or you will still be posting your angst in 20 years time... next season and in the seasons that follow, win lose or draw, I will be supporting the team ... will you ? If so get that reality check, if not, time to go elswhere with your constant negativity. If you think you have ideas on what the squad should be , how it is financed please enlighten us all and perhaps you can even be installed to manage them. Until then I will support what we have got.[/p][/quote]Well said Cleuso Di kanny oh
  • Score: 4

9:38pm Wed 23 Jul 14

dazzastfc says...

South Stand wrote:
dazzastfc wrote:
London Red wrote:
dazzastfc wrote:
MidlandRobin wrote:
London Red wrote:
MidlandRobin wrote:
London Red wrote: Cooper and Power have both said we are looking at 4 loans - 2 CBs, 1 LB and 1 CF . I would therefore, think this has no impact on Stephens as that still leaves another CB . I would have thought as some have suggested that this could be a "trial" to see if he has enough about thim to extend for the year - maybe as an alternative to the other initial CB lined up as they were all meant to be Premiership - which Derby are not . As for filling our squad or borrowing a team is 4 really doing that? . That is only a tiny percentage of our squad comapred to our own players! . 19 Full time Pros (ex Ward and Harley), 2 Scholars and potentially 3 or 4 loanees to make a squad of 25 - so that is over 75% Perm STFC players and about 85% if Scholars included - pretty much an STFC squad if you ask me! . First team too is likely to be 8 or 9 STFC players - so again 75-80% . Squad Foderingham - STFC Belford - STFC N.Thompson - STFC Barthram - STFC Byrne - STFC Jones - STFC Branco - STFC Antonio - STFC De Costa - STFC Luongo - STFC L.Thompson - STFC Kasim - STFC Rodgers - STFC Gladwin - STFC Tijane - STFC Williams - STFC Smith - STFC Barker - STFC Waldon - STFC -------------------- ------------ Randell - STFC Scholar Marshall - STFC Scholar -------------------- ------------ Lelan - Loan Stephens (?) - Loan Smith (?) - Loan A.Other (?) - Loan
Where's the essential experience for this division? When the heads drop away from home as they did last season too often. Who's going to be there to pick them up? Cooper is no inspiration when the going gets tough. You only have to watch him in the dugout, or listen to him on the radio or watch a post match interview. There's nothing there. Is Cooper scared of signing experienced players? Too much of a threat to his authority? Hope I'm really wrong, but we could potentially be bottom four come Christmas if nothing is done. GOOD SOLID EXPERIENCED signings need to be made before the season starts.
Where were the "GOOD SOLID EXPERIENCED" players when we ended the season with our best run in over 25 years - including beating Brentford, Sheff U and Preston?????
.
It was the likes of Louis Thompson who shone in those games!
.
Who was in charge of that run?
.
Thats right it was Cooper and his change in system and formation!
.
.
We had this relegation fodder spiel all last year and we were never once in danger of relegation
.
Wes, N.Thompson, Byrne, Luongo, L.Thompson, Kasim, Smith and Williams are the spine of our squad and all have expereince in L1 and as they are all now more experienced than last year - I'm more certain than last year we will be top half!
We shall see... You are entitled to your opinion, as am I.

In my view playing one season in division one at most in some cases is not sufficient experience to be particularly confident about next season.

Towards the end of last season, Cooper got lucky - Troy regained his fitness, McEveley played LB and we were fortunate to have the best young player of last season in Stephens. And without the back four including those 3 and Nathan, we would have seen a continuation of that dire 12 match run, when we were terrible. And Cooper resorted to infamous 4-6-0.

And where are the goals going to come from, especially away from home. Williams, Barker and Smith what more need I say?

Money constraints accepted, we should follow the example set by Brentford last season - strengthen the squad with experienced players and let the younger lads play around them.
London Red you plank WE LOST ARE LAST 2 GAMES scoring 1 goal and conceding 4...

Well said midlandrobin spot on
I'm the plank? We may have lost OUR last 2 games but what about the great run before that - you know the best for over 25 years?
.
You are exactly the minority Cooper was referring about - focus only on the downside!
.
We could lose 2 go unbeaten for 42 and then lose 2 and it will only be the 4 defeats you bleat on about again and again!
WHAT ABOUT THE 16 GAMES BEFORE THAT..You no the one were we never won a game !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!.NO THOUGHT NOT
Are worse run in 29 years.

You are exactly the minority Cooper was referring about - focus only on the downside!..
I DONT CARE WHAT THAT OTHER PLANK THINKS..

Sorry if you fell that way london BUT i do really want to be positive but looking at what we have in are squad TO ME it is very very hard to see the positive side

PS Look at the minority of planks that on on this site
hahahahahahahahahaha

hahahahahahahahahaha

hahahahahahahahahaha

hahahahahahahahaha. you've given yourself away dazza. I'm now assuming that due to the level of your language abilities you can't even be English. Know-won can posibbly maek that meny missteaks and have bean edjewcated in this cuntree.
hahahahahahahahahaha

hahahahahahahahahaha

hahahahahaha loser.
Why try and be a internet hard man ??? I gont get it..
I is English..mr cuntree
Born 23.3.1970 location 89 whitworth rd Pinehurst Swindon wilts..
House i live in now is ...89 whitworth rd Pinehurst Swindon Wilts...
Pop round for a cup of tea if you like you are all welcome...

BUT PLEASE DONT COME ROUND AND FRIGHTEN ME..
[quote][p][bold]South Stand[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]dazzastfc[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]London Red[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]dazzastfc[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]MidlandRobin[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]London Red[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]MidlandRobin[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]London Red[/bold] wrote: Cooper and Power have both said we are looking at 4 loans - 2 CBs, 1 LB and 1 CF . I would therefore, think this has no impact on Stephens as that still leaves another CB . I would have thought as some have suggested that this could be a "trial" to see if he has enough about thim to extend for the year - maybe as an alternative to the other initial CB lined up as they were all meant to be Premiership - which Derby are not . As for filling our squad or borrowing a team is 4 really doing that? . That is only a tiny percentage of our squad comapred to our own players! . 19 Full time Pros (ex Ward and Harley), 2 Scholars and potentially 3 or 4 loanees to make a squad of 25 - so that is over 75% Perm STFC players and about 85% if Scholars included - pretty much an STFC squad if you ask me! . First team too is likely to be 8 or 9 STFC players - so again 75-80% . Squad Foderingham - STFC Belford - STFC N.Thompson - STFC Barthram - STFC Byrne - STFC Jones - STFC Branco - STFC Antonio - STFC De Costa - STFC Luongo - STFC L.Thompson - STFC Kasim - STFC Rodgers - STFC Gladwin - STFC Tijane - STFC Williams - STFC Smith - STFC Barker - STFC Waldon - STFC -------------------- ------------ Randell - STFC Scholar Marshall - STFC Scholar -------------------- ------------ Lelan - Loan Stephens (?) - Loan Smith (?) - Loan A.Other (?) - Loan[/p][/quote]Where's the essential experience for this division? When the heads drop away from home as they did last season too often. Who's going to be there to pick them up? Cooper is no inspiration when the going gets tough. You only have to watch him in the dugout, or listen to him on the radio or watch a post match interview. There's nothing there. Is Cooper scared of signing experienced players? Too much of a threat to his authority? Hope I'm really wrong, but we could potentially be bottom four come Christmas if nothing is done. GOOD SOLID EXPERIENCED signings need to be made before the season starts.[/p][/quote]Where were the "GOOD SOLID EXPERIENCED" players when we ended the season with our best run in over 25 years - including beating Brentford, Sheff U and Preston????? . It was the likes of Louis Thompson who shone in those games! . Who was in charge of that run? . Thats right it was Cooper and his change in system and formation! . . We had this relegation fodder spiel all last year and we were never once in danger of relegation . Wes, N.Thompson, Byrne, Luongo, L.Thompson, Kasim, Smith and Williams are the spine of our squad and all have expereince in L1 and as they are all now more experienced than last year - I'm more certain than last year we will be top half![/p][/quote]We shall see... You are entitled to your opinion, as am I. In my view playing one season in division one at most in some cases is not sufficient experience to be particularly confident about next season. Towards the end of last season, Cooper got lucky - Troy regained his fitness, McEveley played LB and we were fortunate to have the best young player of last season in Stephens. And without the back four including those 3 and Nathan, we would have seen a continuation of that dire 12 match run, when we were terrible. And Cooper resorted to infamous 4-6-0. And where are the goals going to come from, especially away from home. Williams, Barker and Smith what more need I say? Money constraints accepted, we should follow the example set by Brentford last season - strengthen the squad with experienced players and let the younger lads play around them.[/p][/quote]London Red you plank WE LOST ARE LAST 2 GAMES scoring 1 goal and conceding 4... Well said midlandrobin spot on[/p][/quote]I'm the plank? We may have lost OUR last 2 games but what about the great run before that - you know the best for over 25 years? . You are exactly the minority Cooper was referring about - focus only on the downside! . We could lose 2 go unbeaten for 42 and then lose 2 and it will only be the 4 defeats you bleat on about again and again![/p][/quote]WHAT ABOUT THE 16 GAMES BEFORE THAT..You no the one were we never won a game !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!.NO THOUGHT NOT Are worse run in 29 years. You are exactly the minority Cooper was referring about - focus only on the downside!.. I DONT CARE WHAT THAT OTHER PLANK THINKS.. Sorry if you fell that way london BUT i do really want to be positive but looking at what we have in are squad TO ME it is very very hard to see the positive side PS Look at the minority of planks that on on this site[/p][/quote]hahahahahahahahahaha hahahahahahahahahaha hahahahahahahahahaha hahahahahahahahaha. you've given yourself away dazza. I'm now assuming that due to the level of your language abilities you can't even be English. Know-won can posibbly maek that meny missteaks and have bean edjewcated in this cuntree. hahahahahahahahahaha hahahahahahahahahaha hahahahahaha loser.[/p][/quote]Why try and be a internet hard man ??? I gont get it.. I is English..mr cuntree Born 23.3.1970 location 89 whitworth rd Pinehurst Swindon wilts.. House i live in now is ...89 whitworth rd Pinehurst Swindon Wilts... Pop round for a cup of tea if you like you are all welcome... BUT PLEASE DONT COME ROUND AND FRIGHTEN ME.. dazzastfc
  • Score: -2

9:45pm Wed 23 Jul 14

dazzastfc says...

South Stand wrote:
glenda hoddle wrote:
This is a joke now. This looks a terible loan. Hes never played a game for derby and loaned out to gateshead. GATESHEAD. We are in deep trouble imo. Smith and williams up top. a s..t manager . No stephens no scouse lad. No spurs players No investment. No hope. Im rearly worryed.
Whatever you say dazza.
I promise you that this is not me..I CANT SPELL GATESHEAD..
Unlike some I have to work so dont have time to wind up until lets say 6pm and on wards...
But then again sitting in the south stand its no wonder your a bully..
[quote][p][bold]South Stand[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]glenda hoddle[/bold] wrote: This is a joke now. This looks a terible loan. Hes never played a game for derby and loaned out to gateshead. GATESHEAD. We are in deep trouble imo. Smith and williams up top. a s..t manager . No stephens no scouse lad. No spurs players No investment. No hope. Im rearly worryed.[/p][/quote]Whatever you say dazza.[/p][/quote]I promise you that this is not me..I CANT SPELL GATESHEAD.. Unlike some I have to work so dont have time to wind up until lets say 6pm and on wards... But then again sitting in the south stand its no wonder your a bully.. dazzastfc
  • Score: 0

10:07pm Wed 23 Jul 14

MidlandRobin says...

dazzastfc wrote:
South Stand wrote:
dazzastfc wrote:
London Red wrote:
dazzastfc wrote:
MidlandRobin wrote:
London Red wrote:
MidlandRobin wrote:
London Red wrote: Cooper and Power have both said we are looking at 4 loans - 2 CBs, 1 LB and 1 CF . I would therefore, think this has no impact on Stephens as that still leaves another CB . I would have thought as some have suggested that this could be a "trial" to see if he has enough about thim to extend for the year - maybe as an alternative to the other initial CB lined up as they were all meant to be Premiership - which Derby are not . As for filling our squad or borrowing a team is 4 really doing that? . That is only a tiny percentage of our squad comapred to our own players! . 19 Full time Pros (ex Ward and Harley), 2 Scholars and potentially 3 or 4 loanees to make a squad of 25 - so that is over 75% Perm STFC players and about 85% if Scholars included - pretty much an STFC squad if you ask me! . First team too is likely to be 8 or 9 STFC players - so again 75-80% . Squad Foderingham - STFC Belford - STFC N.Thompson - STFC Barthram - STFC Byrne - STFC Jones - STFC Branco - STFC Antonio - STFC De Costa - STFC Luongo - STFC L.Thompson - STFC Kasim - STFC Rodgers - STFC Gladwin - STFC Tijane - STFC Williams - STFC Smith - STFC Barker - STFC Waldon - STFC -------------------- ------------ Randell - STFC Scholar Marshall - STFC Scholar -------------------- ------------ Lelan - Loan Stephens (?) - Loan Smith (?) - Loan A.Other (?) - Loan
Where's the essential experience for this division? When the heads drop away from home as they did last season too often. Who's going to be there to pick them up? Cooper is no inspiration when the going gets tough. You only have to watch him in the dugout, or listen to him on the radio or watch a post match interview. There's nothing there. Is Cooper scared of signing experienced players? Too much of a threat to his authority? Hope I'm really wrong, but we could potentially be bottom four come Christmas if nothing is done. GOOD SOLID EXPERIENCED signings need to be made before the season starts.
Where were the "GOOD SOLID EXPERIENCED" players when we ended the season with our best run in over 25 years - including beating Brentford, Sheff U and Preston?????
.
It was the likes of Louis Thompson who shone in those games!
.
Who was in charge of that run?
.
Thats right it was Cooper and his change in system and formation!
.
.
We had this relegation fodder spiel all last year and we were never once in danger of relegation
.
Wes, N.Thompson, Byrne, Luongo, L.Thompson, Kasim, Smith and Williams are the spine of our squad and all have expereince in L1 and as they are all now more experienced than last year - I'm more certain than last year we will be top half!
We shall see... You are entitled to your opinion, as am I.

In my view playing one season in division one at most in some cases is not sufficient experience to be particularly confident about next season.

Towards the end of last season, Cooper got lucky - Troy regained his fitness, McEveley played LB and we were fortunate to have the best young player of last season in Stephens. And without the back four including those 3 and Nathan, we would have seen a continuation of that dire 12 match run, when we were terrible. And Cooper resorted to infamous 4-6-0.

And where are the goals going to come from, especially away from home. Williams, Barker and Smith what more need I say?

Money constraints accepted, we should follow the example set by Brentford last season - strengthen the squad with experienced players and let the younger lads play around them.
London Red you plank WE LOST ARE LAST 2 GAMES scoring 1 goal and conceding 4...

Well said midlandrobin spot on
I'm the plank? We may have lost OUR last 2 games but what about the great run before that - you know the best for over 25 years?
.
You are exactly the minority Cooper was referring about - focus only on the downside!
.
We could lose 2 go unbeaten for 42 and then lose 2 and it will only be the 4 defeats you bleat on about again and again!
WHAT ABOUT THE 16 GAMES BEFORE THAT..You no the one were we never won a game !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!.NO THOUGHT NOT
Are worse run in 29 years.

You are exactly the minority Cooper was referring about - focus only on the downside!..
I DONT CARE WHAT THAT OTHER PLANK THINKS..

Sorry if you fell that way london BUT i do really want to be positive but looking at what we have in are squad TO ME it is very very hard to see the positive side

PS Look at the minority of planks that on on this site
hahahahahahahahahaha


hahahahahahahahahaha


hahahahahahahahahaha


hahahahahahahahaha. you've given yourself away dazza. I'm now assuming that due to the level of your language abilities you can't even be English. Know-won can posibbly maek that meny missteaks and have bean edjewcated in this cuntree.
hahahahahahahahahaha


hahahahahahahahahaha


hahahahahaha loser.
Why try and be a internet hard man ??? I gont get it..
I is English..mr cuntree
Born 23.3.1970 location 89 whitworth rd Pinehurst Swindon wilts..
House i live in now is ...89 whitworth rd Pinehurst Swindon Wilts...
Pop round for a cup of tea if you like you are all welcome...

BUT PLEASE DONT COME ROUND AND FRIGHTEN ME..
Yeah it would be pretty cool if we all met up in a pub to take the debate further before a game. Would be interesting
[quote][p][bold]dazzastfc[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]South Stand[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]dazzastfc[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]London Red[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]dazzastfc[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]MidlandRobin[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]London Red[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]MidlandRobin[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]London Red[/bold] wrote: Cooper and Power have both said we are looking at 4 loans - 2 CBs, 1 LB and 1 CF . I would therefore, think this has no impact on Stephens as that still leaves another CB . I would have thought as some have suggested that this could be a "trial" to see if he has enough about thim to extend for the year - maybe as an alternative to the other initial CB lined up as they were all meant to be Premiership - which Derby are not . As for filling our squad or borrowing a team is 4 really doing that? . That is only a tiny percentage of our squad comapred to our own players! . 19 Full time Pros (ex Ward and Harley), 2 Scholars and potentially 3 or 4 loanees to make a squad of 25 - so that is over 75% Perm STFC players and about 85% if Scholars included - pretty much an STFC squad if you ask me! . First team too is likely to be 8 or 9 STFC players - so again 75-80% . Squad Foderingham - STFC Belford - STFC N.Thompson - STFC Barthram - STFC Byrne - STFC Jones - STFC Branco - STFC Antonio - STFC De Costa - STFC Luongo - STFC L.Thompson - STFC Kasim - STFC Rodgers - STFC Gladwin - STFC Tijane - STFC Williams - STFC Smith - STFC Barker - STFC Waldon - STFC -------------------- ------------ Randell - STFC Scholar Marshall - STFC Scholar -------------------- ------------ Lelan - Loan Stephens (?) - Loan Smith (?) - Loan A.Other (?) - Loan[/p][/quote]Where's the essential experience for this division? When the heads drop away from home as they did last season too often. Who's going to be there to pick them up? Cooper is no inspiration when the going gets tough. You only have to watch him in the dugout, or listen to him on the radio or watch a post match interview. There's nothing there. Is Cooper scared of signing experienced players? Too much of a threat to his authority? Hope I'm really wrong, but we could potentially be bottom four come Christmas if nothing is done. GOOD SOLID EXPERIENCED signings need to be made before the season starts.[/p][/quote]Where were the "GOOD SOLID EXPERIENCED" players when we ended the season with our best run in over 25 years - including beating Brentford, Sheff U and Preston????? . It was the likes of Louis Thompson who shone in those games! . Who was in charge of that run? . Thats right it was Cooper and his change in system and formation! . . We had this relegation fodder spiel all last year and we were never once in danger of relegation . Wes, N.Thompson, Byrne, Luongo, L.Thompson, Kasim, Smith and Williams are the spine of our squad and all have expereince in L1 and as they are all now more experienced than last year - I'm more certain than last year we will be top half![/p][/quote]We shall see... You are entitled to your opinion, as am I. In my view playing one season in division one at most in some cases is not sufficient experience to be particularly confident about next season. Towards the end of last season, Cooper got lucky - Troy regained his fitness, McEveley played LB and we were fortunate to have the best young player of last season in Stephens. And without the back four including those 3 and Nathan, we would have seen a continuation of that dire 12 match run, when we were terrible. And Cooper resorted to infamous 4-6-0. And where are the goals going to come from, especially away from home. Williams, Barker and Smith what more need I say? Money constraints accepted, we should follow the example set by Brentford last season - strengthen the squad with experienced players and let the younger lads play around them.[/p][/quote]London Red you plank WE LOST ARE LAST 2 GAMES scoring 1 goal and conceding 4... Well said midlandrobin spot on[/p][/quote]I'm the plank? We may have lost OUR last 2 games but what about the great run before that - you know the best for over 25 years? . You are exactly the minority Cooper was referring about - focus only on the downside! . We could lose 2 go unbeaten for 42 and then lose 2 and it will only be the 4 defeats you bleat on about again and again![/p][/quote]WHAT ABOUT THE 16 GAMES BEFORE THAT..You no the one were we never won a game !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!.NO THOUGHT NOT Are worse run in 29 years. You are exactly the minority Cooper was referring about - focus only on the downside!.. I DONT CARE WHAT THAT OTHER PLANK THINKS.. Sorry if you fell that way london BUT i do really want to be positive but looking at what we have in are squad TO ME it is very very hard to see the positive side PS Look at the minority of planks that on on this site[/p][/quote]hahahahahahahahahaha hahahahahahahahahaha hahahahahahahahahaha hahahahahahahahaha. you've given yourself away dazza. I'm now assuming that due to the level of your language abilities you can't even be English. Know-won can posibbly maek that meny missteaks and have bean edjewcated in this cuntree. hahahahahahahahahaha hahahahahahahahahaha hahahahahaha loser.[/p][/quote]Why try and be a internet hard man ??? I gont get it.. I is English..mr cuntree Born 23.3.1970 location 89 whitworth rd Pinehurst Swindon wilts.. House i live in now is ...89 whitworth rd Pinehurst Swindon Wilts... Pop round for a cup of tea if you like you are all welcome... BUT PLEASE DONT COME ROUND AND FRIGHTEN ME..[/p][/quote]Yeah it would be pretty cool if we all met up in a pub to take the debate further before a game. Would be interesting MidlandRobin
  • Score: 3

11:25pm Wed 23 Jul 14

the wizard says...

Oxon-Red wrote:
the wizard wrote:
I 5think a few are missing a very valid point or two here. The lad comes from Derby, and their manager is probably still one of the very best youth coaches and spotters of potential talent in the country. He has done nothing short of a magnificent job there . So he has a player who needs bringing on, so what better than to let the lad have a spell here to see how he performs before anyone signing anything on a longer basis. Cooper and Williams did well last season with young players, admittedly some better than others, but for a month, this lad has to be a steal. We are probably not paying much if anything at all, and if he steps into Troys shoes and works well with those around him, then its just got to be worth trying. Probably wasted at Gateshead, but this could be the stepping stone he needs, and with other young lads around him he should feel more comfortable. If this works it could be the making of the player and a good signing for us, a months trial, nothing to loose and an awful lot to gain. Welcome Josh, hope you have a good stay with us and it works well all round. Good luck.
Why are Gateshead being poo-pooed ? Didn't they nearly join Luton in promotion last season ?

COYMR
Given he would have been significantly younger and less experienced, and add to that the fact that the game is played at a different pace and skill level in that league. Now he is a year older, has probably played in more development games and benefited from some input from McLaren in forming his future career. I wasn't putting Gateshead down and my apologies if it read like that. BTW , Hope you are enjoying the weather.
Blummin hot again today, nice if you are by the river suppin' chilled beer etc. I do genuinely hope this lad comes good .
[quote][p][bold]Oxon-Red[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]the wizard[/bold] wrote: I 5think a few are missing a very valid point or two here. The lad comes from Derby, and their manager is probably still one of the very best youth coaches and spotters of potential talent in the country. He has done nothing short of a magnificent job there . So he has a player who needs bringing on, so what better than to let the lad have a spell here to see how he performs before anyone signing anything on a longer basis. Cooper and Williams did well last season with young players, admittedly some better than others, but for a month, this lad has to be a steal. We are probably not paying much if anything at all, and if he steps into Troys shoes and works well with those around him, then its just got to be worth trying. Probably wasted at Gateshead, but this could be the stepping stone he needs, and with other young lads around him he should feel more comfortable. If this works it could be the making of the player and a good signing for us, a months trial, nothing to loose and an awful lot to gain. Welcome Josh, hope you have a good stay with us and it works well all round. Good luck.[/p][/quote]Why are Gateshead being poo-pooed ? Didn't they nearly join Luton in promotion last season ? COYMR[/p][/quote]Given he would have been significantly younger and less experienced, and add to that the fact that the game is played at a different pace and skill level in that league. Now he is a year older, has probably played in more development games and benefited from some input from McLaren in forming his future career. I wasn't putting Gateshead down and my apologies if it read like that. BTW , Hope you are enjoying the weather. Blummin hot again today, nice if you are by the river suppin' chilled beer etc. I do genuinely hope this lad comes good . the wizard
  • Score: 0

11:43pm Wed 23 Jul 14

steve. says...

MidlandRobin wrote:
dazzastfc wrote:
South Stand wrote:
dazzastfc wrote:
London Red wrote:
dazzastfc wrote:
MidlandRobin wrote:
London Red wrote:
MidlandRobin wrote:
London Red wrote: Cooper and Power have both said we are looking at 4 loans - 2 CBs, 1 LB and 1 CF . I would therefore, think this has no impact on Stephens as that still leaves another CB . I would have thought as some have suggested that this could be a "trial" to see if he has enough about thim to extend for the year - maybe as an alternative to the other initial CB lined up as they were all meant to be Premiership - which Derby are not . As for filling our squad or borrowing a team is 4 really doing that? . That is only a tiny percentage of our squad comapred to our own players! . 19 Full time Pros (ex Ward and Harley), 2 Scholars and potentially 3 or 4 loanees to make a squad of 25 - so that is over 75% Perm STFC players and about 85% if Scholars included - pretty much an STFC squad if you ask me! . First team too is likely to be 8 or 9 STFC players - so again 75-80% . Squad Foderingham - STFC Belford - STFC N.Thompson - STFC Barthram - STFC Byrne - STFC Jones - STFC Branco - STFC Antonio - STFC De Costa - STFC Luongo - STFC L.Thompson - STFC Kasim - STFC Rodgers - STFC Gladwin - STFC Tijane - STFC Williams - STFC Smith - STFC Barker - STFC Waldon - STFC -------------------- ------------ Randell - STFC Scholar Marshall - STFC Scholar -------------------- ------------ Lelan - Loan Stephens (?) - Loan Smith (?) - Loan A.Other (?) - Loan
Where's the essential experience for this division? When the heads drop away from home as they did last season too often. Who's going to be there to pick them up? Cooper is no inspiration when the going gets tough. You only have to watch him in the dugout, or listen to him on the radio or watch a post match interview. There's nothing there. Is Cooper scared of signing experienced players? Too much of a threat to his authority? Hope I'm really wrong, but we could potentially be bottom four come Christmas if nothing is done. GOOD SOLID EXPERIENCED signings need to be made before the season starts.
Where were the "GOOD SOLID EXPERIENCED" players when we ended the season with our best run in over 25 years - including beating Brentford, Sheff U and Preston?????
.
It was the likes of Louis Thompson who shone in those games!
.
Who was in charge of that run?
.
Thats right it was Cooper and his change in system and formation!
.
.
We had this relegation fodder spiel all last year and we were never once in danger of relegation
.
Wes, N.Thompson, Byrne, Luongo, L.Thompson, Kasim, Smith and Williams are the spine of our squad and all have expereince in L1 and as they are all now more experienced than last year - I'm more certain than last year we will be top half!
We shall see... You are entitled to your opinion, as am I.

In my view playing one season in division one at most in some cases is not sufficient experience to be particularly confident about next season.

Towards the end of last season, Cooper got lucky - Troy regained his fitness, McEveley played LB and we were fortunate to have the best young player of last season in Stephens. And without the back four including those 3 and Nathan, we would have seen a continuation of that dire 12 match run, when we were terrible. And Cooper resorted to infamous 4-6-0.

And where are the goals going to come from, especially away from home. Williams, Barker and Smith what more need I say?

Money constraints accepted, we should follow the example set by Brentford last season - strengthen the squad with experienced players and let the younger lads play around them.
London Red you plank WE LOST ARE LAST 2 GAMES scoring 1 goal and conceding 4...

Well said midlandrobin spot on
I'm the plank? We may have lost OUR last 2 games but what about the great run before that - you know the best for over 25 years?
.
You are exactly the minority Cooper was referring about - focus only on the downside!
.
We could lose 2 go unbeaten for 42 and then lose 2 and it will only be the 4 defeats you bleat on about again and again!
WHAT ABOUT THE 16 GAMES BEFORE THAT..You no the one were we never won a game !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!.NO THOUGHT NOT
Are worse run in 29 years.

You are exactly the minority Cooper was referring about - focus only on the downside!..
I DONT CARE WHAT THAT OTHER PLANK THINKS..

Sorry if you fell that way london BUT i do really want to be positive but looking at what we have in are squad TO ME it is very very hard to see the positive side

PS Look at the minority of planks that on on this site
hahahahahahahahahaha



hahahahahahahahahaha



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hahahahahahahahaha. you've given yourself away dazza. I'm now assuming that due to the level of your language abilities you can't even be English. Know-won can posibbly maek that meny missteaks and have bean edjewcated in this cuntree.
hahahahahahahahahaha



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hahahahahaha loser.
Why try and be a internet hard man ??? I gont get it..
I is English..mr cuntree
Born 23.3.1970 location 89 whitworth rd Pinehurst Swindon wilts..
House i live in now is ...89 whitworth rd Pinehurst Swindon Wilts...
Pop round for a cup of tea if you like you are all welcome...

BUT PLEASE DONT COME ROUND AND FRIGHTEN ME..
Yeah it would be pretty cool if we all met up in a pub to take the debate further before a game. Would be interesting
I come along Daz, we will see how the smart ar5es who think it`s big to take the **** out of people who are not great at spelling are face to face, mmm take it with a pinch of salt mate, hope you and yours are well.
[quote][p][bold]MidlandRobin[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]dazzastfc[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]South Stand[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]dazzastfc[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]London Red[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]dazzastfc[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]MidlandRobin[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]London Red[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]MidlandRobin[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]London Red[/bold] wrote: Cooper and Power have both said we are looking at 4 loans - 2 CBs, 1 LB and 1 CF . I would therefore, think this has no impact on Stephens as that still leaves another CB . I would have thought as some have suggested that this could be a "trial" to see if he has enough about thim to extend for the year - maybe as an alternative to the other initial CB lined up as they were all meant to be Premiership - which Derby are not . As for filling our squad or borrowing a team is 4 really doing that? . That is only a tiny percentage of our squad comapred to our own players! . 19 Full time Pros (ex Ward and Harley), 2 Scholars and potentially 3 or 4 loanees to make a squad of 25 - so that is over 75% Perm STFC players and about 85% if Scholars included - pretty much an STFC squad if you ask me! . First team too is likely to be 8 or 9 STFC players - so again 75-80% . Squad Foderingham - STFC Belford - STFC N.Thompson - STFC Barthram - STFC Byrne - STFC Jones - STFC Branco - STFC Antonio - STFC De Costa - STFC Luongo - STFC L.Thompson - STFC Kasim - STFC Rodgers - STFC Gladwin - STFC Tijane - STFC Williams - STFC Smith - STFC Barker - STFC Waldon - STFC -------------------- ------------ Randell - STFC Scholar Marshall - STFC Scholar -------------------- ------------ Lelan - Loan Stephens (?) - Loan Smith (?) - Loan A.Other (?) - Loan[/p][/quote]Where's the essential experience for this division? When the heads drop away from home as they did last season too often. Who's going to be there to pick them up? Cooper is no inspiration when the going gets tough. You only have to watch him in the dugout, or listen to him on the radio or watch a post match interview. There's nothing there. Is Cooper scared of signing experienced players? Too much of a threat to his authority? Hope I'm really wrong, but we could potentially be bottom four come Christmas if nothing is done. GOOD SOLID EXPERIENCED signings need to be made before the season starts.[/p][/quote]Where were the "GOOD SOLID EXPERIENCED" players when we ended the season with our best run in over 25 years - including beating Brentford, Sheff U and Preston????? . It was the likes of Louis Thompson who shone in those games! . Who was in charge of that run? . Thats right it was Cooper and his change in system and formation! . . We had this relegation fodder spiel all last year and we were never once in danger of relegation . Wes, N.Thompson, Byrne, Luongo, L.Thompson, Kasim, Smith and Williams are the spine of our squad and all have expereince in L1 and as they are all now more experienced than last year - I'm more certain than last year we will be top half![/p][/quote]We shall see... You are entitled to your opinion, as am I. In my view playing one season in division one at most in some cases is not sufficient experience to be particularly confident about next season. Towards the end of last season, Cooper got lucky - Troy regained his fitness, McEveley played LB and we were fortunate to have the best young player of last season in Stephens. And without the back four including those 3 and Nathan, we would have seen a continuation of that dire 12 match run, when we were terrible. And Cooper resorted to infamous 4-6-0. And where are the goals going to come from, especially away from home. Williams, Barker and Smith what more need I say? Money constraints accepted, we should follow the example set by Brentford last season - strengthen the squad with experienced players and let the younger lads play around them.[/p][/quote]London Red you plank WE LOST ARE LAST 2 GAMES scoring 1 goal and conceding 4... Well said midlandrobin spot on[/p][/quote]I'm the plank? We may have lost OUR last 2 games but what about the great run before that - you know the best for over 25 years? . You are exactly the minority Cooper was referring about - focus only on the downside! . We could lose 2 go unbeaten for 42 and then lose 2 and it will only be the 4 defeats you bleat on about again and again![/p][/quote]WHAT ABOUT THE 16 GAMES BEFORE THAT..You no the one were we never won a game !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!.NO THOUGHT NOT Are worse run in 29 years. You are exactly the minority Cooper was referring about - focus only on the downside!.. I DONT CARE WHAT THAT OTHER PLANK THINKS.. Sorry if you fell that way london BUT i do really want to be positive but looking at what we have in are squad TO ME it is very very hard to see the positive side PS Look at the minority of planks that on on this site[/p][/quote]hahahahahahahahahaha hahahahahahahahahaha hahahahahahahahahaha hahahahahahahahaha. you've given yourself away dazza. I'm now assuming that due to the level of your language abilities you can't even be English. Know-won can posibbly maek that meny missteaks and have bean edjewcated in this cuntree. hahahahahahahahahaha hahahahahahahahahaha hahahahahaha loser.[/p][/quote]Why try and be a internet hard man ??? I gont get it.. I is English..mr cuntree Born 23.3.1970 location 89 whitworth rd Pinehurst Swindon wilts.. House i live in now is ...89 whitworth rd Pinehurst Swindon Wilts... Pop round for a cup of tea if you like you are all welcome... BUT PLEASE DONT COME ROUND AND FRIGHTEN ME..[/p][/quote]Yeah it would be pretty cool if we all met up in a pub to take the debate further before a game. Would be interesting[/p][/quote]I come along Daz, we will see how the smart ar5es who think it`s big to take the **** out of people who are not great at spelling are face to face, mmm take it with a pinch of salt mate, hope you and yours are well. steve.
  • Score: -2

12:05am Thu 24 Jul 14

steve. says...

I`ll come along, or for the smart ar5es i will come along.
LR or James or Surbiton red or Surrey red which ever one you prefer calm yourself down and dont take everything so serious.
PS what happened to you on here when results were not so clever during parts of last season.Me, well i dont expect no great shakes this season however i am still delighted that we have a club to support, Cmon you reds.
I`ll come along, or for the smart ar5es i will come along. LR or James or Surbiton red or Surrey red which ever one you prefer calm yourself down and dont take everything so serious. PS what happened to you on here when results were not so clever during parts of last season.Me, well i dont expect no great shakes this season however i am still delighted that we have a club to support, Cmon you reds. steve.
  • Score: -4

12:26am Thu 24 Jul 14

pubfbmanager says...

STFC Boyo wrote:
That's not along loan.What's the point of that month.
Crikey me, there's a lot of negativity on here nowadays!

I did look for a section to post general comments, but couldn't find one. Please forgive me then for posting an off topic thing.

A guy in an electrical wholesalers (Swindon) told me today that Don Rogers is planning to retire to the coast with his Mrs after 2 of his really close friends were charged by the police with fiddling money out of the Swindon Children's League.

Its caused awful publicity for him and he's been dragged through the mud as well as he was really heavily involved with selling a lot of kit and trophies for that kids football league.

I see from Swindon Advertiser reports that the FA at Wembley looked into his personal involvement with two women called Karen Prictor and Margaret Rivers and it all went off in the paper last year when they openly reported that he was signing cheques for the kids league at the same time as he was taking more than 50% of their money paid in by the parents and kids of really young football teams --- some as young as 7 years old, which ran into thousands and thousands of pounds a year.

It's a horrible, horrible way to end a footballing and business career that made him a local hero to thousands of town fans. For a bloke who's done so much for football in Swindon to be discredited and humiliated by whatever has or hasn't gone on in that kids league is just terrible.

Dons little shop opened when I was a nipper around Swindon, and i remember The Don himself driving round the town in a white Don Rogers Builders van, as he used to run a builders business out the back of the Faringdon road shop as well as selling his sports gear.

I know the building business shut down years ago, but it must be 40 odd years that that shop has been open now?

I can't believe it, me. Swindon just wont be the same if Don's old shop is no longer trading.

It has survived the likes of megga sports shops coming and going, Terry Warners used to be round the corner, now gone. The Spot in Regent Street, now gone. He's seen them all off over the years somehow.
[quote][p][bold]STFC Boyo[/bold] wrote: That's not along loan.What's the point of that month.[/p][/quote]Crikey me, there's a lot of negativity on here nowadays! I did look for a section to post general comments, but couldn't find one. Please forgive me then for posting an off topic thing. A guy in an electrical wholesalers (Swindon) told me today that Don Rogers is planning to retire to the coast with his Mrs after 2 of his really close friends were charged by the police with fiddling money out of the Swindon Children's League. Its caused awful publicity for him and he's been dragged through the mud as well as he was really heavily involved with selling a lot of kit and trophies for that kids football league. I see from Swindon Advertiser reports that the FA at Wembley looked into his personal involvement with two women called Karen Prictor and Margaret Rivers and it all went off in the paper last year when they openly reported that he was signing cheques for the kids league at the same time as he was taking more than 50% of their money paid in by the parents and kids of really young football teams --- some as young as 7 years old, which ran into thousands and thousands of pounds a year. It's a horrible, horrible way to end a footballing and business career that made him a local hero to thousands of town fans. For a bloke who's done so much for football in Swindon to be discredited and humiliated by whatever has or hasn't gone on in that kids league is just terrible. Dons little shop opened when I was a nipper around Swindon, and i remember The Don himself driving round the town in a white Don Rogers Builders van, as he used to run a builders business out the back of the Faringdon road shop as well as selling his sports gear. I know the building business shut down years ago, but it must be 40 odd years that that shop has been open now? I can't believe it, me. Swindon just wont be the same if Don's old shop is no longer trading. It has survived the likes of megga sports shops coming and going, Terry Warners used to be round the corner, now gone. The Spot in Regent Street, now gone. He's seen them all off over the years somehow. pubfbmanager
  • Score: 0

1:39am Thu 24 Jul 14

london paolo says...

Frankly, I find it tiresome to read all this **** among fans who supposedly support the same team, or criticise people who might have some weaknesses in spelling and grammar but who still have the right ti express their view. Scratchy girls stuff.

Do I feel optimistic about the ensuing season? Probably not. The Paolo years were exciting and had an element of theatre, there's no point denying most of us got carried along with that. With Black, Fitton and Wray there was promise, but in the end we finished where we started. Now we have a team with few stars and an owner with no money and we are where we are.

Can I (or any supporter) do anything about it? Not much. You either get along to support the team on the day, or you don't. Sure, you can join the Trust, or buy some shares in the football club (I'd rather do that than buy a season ticket, given the owners ability to steal the cash-flow). But that's about it.

There's no point shouting people down on a forum though, saying, 'support your team' etc. We all do that to a lesser or greater extent. People come onto forums to express opinions - they go to the ground to support their team. You can do both. But you do begin to wonder whether the social media debate and all the angst it brings is worth it.
Frankly, I find it tiresome to read all this **** among fans who supposedly support the same team, or criticise people who might have some weaknesses in spelling and grammar but who still have the right ti express their view. Scratchy girls stuff. Do I feel optimistic about the ensuing season? Probably not. The Paolo years were exciting and had an element of theatre, there's no point denying most of us got carried along with that. With Black, Fitton and Wray there was promise, but in the end we finished where we started. Now we have a team with few stars and an owner with no money and we are where we are. Can I (or any supporter) do anything about it? Not much. You either get along to support the team on the day, or you don't. Sure, you can join the Trust, or buy some shares in the football club (I'd rather do that than buy a season ticket, given the owners ability to steal the cash-flow). But that's about it. There's no point shouting people down on a forum though, saying, 'support your team' etc. We all do that to a lesser or greater extent. People come onto forums to express opinions - they go to the ground to support their team. You can do both. But you do begin to wonder whether the social media debate and all the angst it brings is worth it. london paolo
  • Score: 1

6:50am Thu 24 Jul 14

dazzastfc says...

steve. wrote:
MidlandRobin wrote:
dazzastfc wrote:
South Stand wrote:
dazzastfc wrote:
London Red wrote:
dazzastfc wrote:
MidlandRobin wrote:
London Red wrote:
MidlandRobin wrote:
London Red wrote: Cooper and Power have both said we are looking at 4 loans - 2 CBs, 1 LB and 1 CF . I would therefore, think this has no impact on Stephens as that still leaves another CB . I would have thought as some have suggested that this could be a "trial" to see if he has enough about thim to extend for the year - maybe as an alternative to the other initial CB lined up as they were all meant to be Premiership - which Derby are not . As for filling our squad or borrowing a team is 4 really doing that? . That is only a tiny percentage of our squad comapred to our own players! . 19 Full time Pros (ex Ward and Harley), 2 Scholars and potentially 3 or 4 loanees to make a squad of 25 - so that is over 75% Perm STFC players and about 85% if Scholars included - pretty much an STFC squad if you ask me! . First team too is likely to be 8 or 9 STFC players - so again 75-80% . Squad Foderingham - STFC Belford - STFC N.Thompson - STFC Barthram - STFC Byrne - STFC Jones - STFC Branco - STFC Antonio - STFC De Costa - STFC Luongo - STFC L.Thompson - STFC Kasim - STFC Rodgers - STFC Gladwin - STFC Tijane - STFC Williams - STFC Smith - STFC Barker - STFC Waldon - STFC -------------------- ------------ Randell - STFC Scholar Marshall - STFC Scholar -------------------- ------------ Lelan - Loan Stephens (?) - Loan Smith (?) - Loan A.Other (?) - Loan
Where's the essential experience for this division? When the heads drop away from home as they did last season too often. Who's going to be there to pick them up? Cooper is no inspiration when the going gets tough. You only have to watch him in the dugout, or listen to him on the radio or watch a post match interview. There's nothing there. Is Cooper scared of signing experienced players? Too much of a threat to his authority? Hope I'm really wrong, but we could potentially be bottom four come Christmas if nothing is done. GOOD SOLID EXPERIENCED signings need to be made before the season starts.
Where were the "GOOD SOLID EXPERIENCED" players when we ended the season with our best run in over 25 years - including beating Brentford, Sheff U and Preston?????
.
It was the likes of Louis Thompson who shone in those games!
.
Who was in charge of that run?
.
Thats right it was Cooper and his change in system and formation!
.
.
We had this relegation fodder spiel all last year and we were never once in danger of relegation
.
Wes, N.Thompson, Byrne, Luongo, L.Thompson, Kasim, Smith and Williams are the spine of our squad and all have expereince in L1 and as they are all now more experienced than last year - I'm more certain than last year we will be top half!
We shall see... You are entitled to your opinion, as am I.

In my view playing one season in division one at most in some cases is not sufficient experience to be particularly confident about next season.

Towards the end of last season, Cooper got lucky - Troy regained his fitness, McEveley played LB and we were fortunate to have the best young player of last season in Stephens. And without the back four including those 3 and Nathan, we would have seen a continuation of that dire 12 match run, when we were terrible. And Cooper resorted to infamous 4-6-0.

And where are the goals going to come from, especially away from home. Williams, Barker and Smith what more need I say?

Money constraints accepted, we should follow the example set by Brentford last season - strengthen the squad with experienced players and let the younger lads play around them.
London Red you plank WE LOST ARE LAST 2 GAMES scoring 1 goal and conceding 4...

Well said midlandrobin spot on
I'm the plank? We may have lost OUR last 2 games but what about the great run before that - you know the best for over 25 years?
.
You are exactly the minority Cooper was referring about - focus only on the downside!
.
We could lose 2 go unbeaten for 42 and then lose 2 and it will only be the 4 defeats you bleat on about again and again!
WHAT ABOUT THE 16 GAMES BEFORE THAT..You no the one were we never won a game !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!.NO THOUGHT NOT
Are worse run in 29 years.

You are exactly the minority Cooper was referring about - focus only on the downside!..
I DONT CARE WHAT THAT OTHER PLANK THINKS..

Sorry if you fell that way london BUT i do really want to be positive but looking at what we have in are squad TO ME it is very very hard to see the positive side

PS Look at the minority of planks that on on this site
hahahahahahahahahaha




hahahahahahahahahaha




hahahahahahahahahaha




hahahahahahahahaha. you've given yourself away dazza. I'm now assuming that due to the level of your language abilities you can't even be English. Know-won can posibbly maek that meny missteaks and have bean edjewcated in this cuntree.
hahahahahahahahahaha




hahahahahahahahahaha




hahahahahaha loser.
Why try and be a internet hard man ??? I gont get it..
I is English..mr cuntree
Born 23.3.1970 location 89 whitworth rd Pinehurst Swindon wilts..
House i live in now is ...89 whitworth rd Pinehurst Swindon Wilts...
Pop round for a cup of tea if you like you are all welcome...

BUT PLEASE DONT COME ROUND AND FRIGHTEN ME..
Yeah it would be pretty cool if we all met up in a pub to take the debate further before a game. Would be interesting
I come along Daz, we will see how the smart ar5es who think it`s big to take the **** out of people who are not great at spelling are face to face, mmm take it with a pinch of salt mate, hope you and yours are well.
We are all great thank mate..We are off today to see are daughter graduate in Bristol so VERY PROUD DAD today ...

Hope you and your lot are well and you are welcome around MY HOUSE ANY TIME..

WHY DO PEOPLE KEEP PICKING ON ME..
[quote][p][bold]steve.[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]MidlandRobin[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]dazzastfc[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]South Stand[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]dazzastfc[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]London Red[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]dazzastfc[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]MidlandRobin[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]London Red[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]MidlandRobin[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]London Red[/bold] wrote: Cooper and Power have both said we are looking at 4 loans - 2 CBs, 1 LB and 1 CF . I would therefore, think this has no impact on Stephens as that still leaves another CB . I would have thought as some have suggested that this could be a "trial" to see if he has enough about thim to extend for the year - maybe as an alternative to the other initial CB lined up as they were all meant to be Premiership - which Derby are not . As for filling our squad or borrowing a team is 4 really doing that? . That is only a tiny percentage of our squad comapred to our own players! . 19 Full time Pros (ex Ward and Harley), 2 Scholars and potentially 3 or 4 loanees to make a squad of 25 - so that is over 75% Perm STFC players and about 85% if Scholars included - pretty much an STFC squad if you ask me! . First team too is likely to be 8 or 9 STFC players - so again 75-80% . Squad Foderingham - STFC Belford - STFC N.Thompson - STFC Barthram - STFC Byrne - STFC Jones - STFC Branco - STFC Antonio - STFC De Costa - STFC Luongo - STFC L.Thompson - STFC Kasim - STFC Rodgers - STFC Gladwin - STFC Tijane - STFC Williams - STFC Smith - STFC Barker - STFC Waldon - STFC -------------------- ------------ Randell - STFC Scholar Marshall - STFC Scholar -------------------- ------------ Lelan - Loan Stephens (?) - Loan Smith (?) - Loan A.Other (?) - Loan[/p][/quote]Where's the essential experience for this division? When the heads drop away from home as they did last season too often. Who's going to be there to pick them up? Cooper is no inspiration when the going gets tough. You only have to watch him in the dugout, or listen to him on the radio or watch a post match interview. There's nothing there. Is Cooper scared of signing experienced players? Too much of a threat to his authority? Hope I'm really wrong, but we could potentially be bottom four come Christmas if nothing is done. GOOD SOLID EXPERIENCED signings need to be made before the season starts.[/p][/quote]Where were the "GOOD SOLID EXPERIENCED" players when we ended the season with our best run in over 25 years - including beating Brentford, Sheff U and Preston????? . It was the likes of Louis Thompson who shone in those games! . Who was in charge of that run? . Thats right it was Cooper and his change in system and formation! . . We had this relegation fodder spiel all last year and we were never once in danger of relegation . Wes, N.Thompson, Byrne, Luongo, L.Thompson, Kasim, Smith and Williams are the spine of our squad and all have expereince in L1 and as they are all now more experienced than last year - I'm more certain than last year we will be top half![/p][/quote]We shall see... You are entitled to your opinion, as am I. In my view playing one season in division one at most in some cases is not sufficient experience to be particularly confident about next season. Towards the end of last season, Cooper got lucky - Troy regained his fitness, McEveley played LB and we were fortunate to have the best young player of last season in Stephens. And without the back four including those 3 and Nathan, we would have seen a continuation of that dire 12 match run, when we were terrible. And Cooper resorted to infamous 4-6-0. And where are the goals going to come from, especially away from home. Williams, Barker and Smith what more need I say? Money constraints accepted, we should follow the example set by Brentford last season - strengthen the squad with experienced players and let the younger lads play around them.[/p][/quote]London Red you plank WE LOST ARE LAST 2 GAMES scoring 1 goal and conceding 4... Well said midlandrobin spot on[/p][/quote]I'm the plank? We may have lost OUR last 2 games but what about the great run before that - you know the best for over 25 years? . You are exactly the minority Cooper was referring about - focus only on the downside! . We could lose 2 go unbeaten for 42 and then lose 2 and it will only be the 4 defeats you bleat on about again and again![/p][/quote]WHAT ABOUT THE 16 GAMES BEFORE THAT..You no the one were we never won a game !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!.NO THOUGHT NOT Are worse run in 29 years. You are exactly the minority Cooper was referring about - focus only on the downside!.. I DONT CARE WHAT THAT OTHER PLANK THINKS.. Sorry if you fell that way london BUT i do really want to be positive but looking at what we have in are squad TO ME it is very very hard to see the positive side PS Look at the minority of planks that on on this site[/p][/quote]hahahahahahahahahaha hahahahahahahahahaha hahahahahahahahahaha hahahahahahahahaha. you've given yourself away dazza. I'm now assuming that due to the level of your language abilities you can't even be English. Know-won can posibbly maek that meny missteaks and have bean edjewcated in this cuntree. hahahahahahahahahaha hahahahahahahahahaha hahahahahaha loser.[/p][/quote]Why try and be a internet hard man ??? I gont get it.. I is English..mr cuntree Born 23.3.1970 location 89 whitworth rd Pinehurst Swindon wilts.. House i live in now is ...89 whitworth rd Pinehurst Swindon Wilts... Pop round for a cup of tea if you like you are all welcome... BUT PLEASE DONT COME ROUND AND FRIGHTEN ME..[/p][/quote]Yeah it would be pretty cool if we all met up in a pub to take the debate further before a game. Would be interesting[/p][/quote]I come along Daz, we will see how the smart ar5es who think it`s big to take the **** out of people who are not great at spelling are face to face, mmm take it with a pinch of salt mate, hope you and yours are well.[/p][/quote]We are all great thank mate..We are off today to see are daughter graduate in Bristol so VERY PROUD DAD today ... Hope you and your lot are well and you are welcome around MY HOUSE ANY TIME.. WHY DO PEOPLE KEEP PICKING ON ME.. dazzastfc
  • Score: -1

8:18am Thu 24 Jul 14

old town robin says...

pubfbmanager wrote:
STFC Boyo wrote:
That's not along loan.What's the point of that month.
Crikey me, there's a lot of negativity on here nowadays!

I did look for a section to post general comments, but couldn't find one. Please forgive me then for posting an off topic thing.

A guy in an electrical wholesalers (Swindon) told me today that Don Rogers is planning to retire to the coast with his Mrs after 2 of his really close friends were charged by the police with fiddling money out of the Swindon Children's League.

Its caused awful publicity for him and he's been dragged through the mud as well as he was really heavily involved with selling a lot of kit and trophies for that kids football league.

I see from Swindon Advertiser reports that the FA at Wembley looked into his personal involvement with two women called Karen Prictor and Margaret Rivers and it all went off in the paper last year when they openly reported that he was signing cheques for the kids league at the same time as he was taking more than 50% of their money paid in by the parents and kids of really young football teams --- some as young as 7 years old, which ran into thousands and thousands of pounds a year.

It's a horrible, horrible way to end a footballing and business career that made him a local hero to thousands of town fans. For a bloke who's done so much for football in Swindon to be discredited and humiliated by whatever has or hasn't gone on in that kids league is just terrible.

Dons little shop opened when I was a nipper around Swindon, and i remember The Don himself driving round the town in a white Don Rogers Builders van, as he used to run a builders business out the back of the Faringdon road shop as well as selling his sports gear.

I know the building business shut down years ago, but it must be 40 odd years that that shop has been open now?

I can't believe it, me. Swindon just wont be the same if Don's old shop is no longer trading.

It has survived the likes of megga sports shops coming and going, Terry Warners used to be round the corner, now gone. The Spot in Regent Street, now gone. He's seen them all off over the years somehow.
I only got to hear about it this week. in court tomorrow apparantly
[quote][p][bold]pubfbmanager[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]STFC Boyo[/bold] wrote: That's not along loan.What's the point of that month.[/p][/quote]Crikey me, there's a lot of negativity on here nowadays! I did look for a section to post general comments, but couldn't find one. Please forgive me then for posting an off topic thing. A guy in an electrical wholesalers (Swindon) told me today that Don Rogers is planning to retire to the coast with his Mrs after 2 of his really close friends were charged by the police with fiddling money out of the Swindon Children's League. Its caused awful publicity for him and he's been dragged through the mud as well as he was really heavily involved with selling a lot of kit and trophies for that kids football league. I see from Swindon Advertiser reports that the FA at Wembley looked into his personal involvement with two women called Karen Prictor and Margaret Rivers and it all went off in the paper last year when they openly reported that he was signing cheques for the kids league at the same time as he was taking more than 50% of their money paid in by the parents and kids of really young football teams --- some as young as 7 years old, which ran into thousands and thousands of pounds a year. It's a horrible, horrible way to end a footballing and business career that made him a local hero to thousands of town fans. For a bloke who's done so much for football in Swindon to be discredited and humiliated by whatever has or hasn't gone on in that kids league is just terrible. Dons little shop opened when I was a nipper around Swindon, and i remember The Don himself driving round the town in a white Don Rogers Builders van, as he used to run a builders business out the back of the Faringdon road shop as well as selling his sports gear. I know the building business shut down years ago, but it must be 40 odd years that that shop has been open now? I can't believe it, me. Swindon just wont be the same if Don's old shop is no longer trading. It has survived the likes of megga sports shops coming and going, Terry Warners used to be round the corner, now gone. The Spot in Regent Street, now gone. He's seen them all off over the years somehow.[/p][/quote]I only got to hear about it this week. in court tomorrow apparantly old town robin
  • Score: 0

8:39am Thu 24 Jul 14

Swindon1984 says...

dazzastfc wrote:
London Red wrote:
dazzastfc wrote:
London Red wrote:
dazzastfc wrote:
MidlandRobin wrote:
London Red wrote:
MidlandRobin wrote:
London Red wrote: Cooper and Power have both said we are looking at 4 loans - 2 CBs, 1 LB and 1 CF . I would therefore, think this has no impact on Stephens as that still leaves another CB . I would have thought as some have suggested that this could be a "trial" to see if he has enough about thim to extend for the year - maybe as an alternative to the other initial CB lined up as they were all meant to be Premiership - which Derby are not . As for filling our squad or borrowing a team is 4 really doing that? . That is only a tiny percentage of our squad comapred to our own players! . 19 Full time Pros (ex Ward and Harley), 2 Scholars and potentially 3 or 4 loanees to make a squad of 25 - so that is over 75% Perm STFC players and about 85% if Scholars included - pretty much an STFC squad if you ask me! . First team too is likely to be 8 or 9 STFC players - so again 75-80% . Squad Foderingham - STFC Belford - STFC N.Thompson - STFC Barthram - STFC Byrne - STFC Jones - STFC Branco - STFC Antonio - STFC De Costa - STFC Luongo - STFC L.Thompson - STFC Kasim - STFC Rodgers - STFC Gladwin - STFC Tijane - STFC Williams - STFC Smith - STFC Barker - STFC Waldon - STFC -------------------- ------------ Randell - STFC Scholar Marshall - STFC Scholar -------------------- ------------ Lelan - Loan Stephens (?) - Loan Smith (?) - Loan A.Other (?) - Loan
Where's the essential experience for this division? When the heads drop away from home as they did last season too often. Who's going to be there to pick them up? Cooper is no inspiration when the going gets tough. You only have to watch him in the dugout, or listen to him on the radio or watch a post match interview. There's nothing there. Is Cooper scared of signing experienced players? Too much of a threat to his authority? Hope I'm really wrong, but we could potentially be bottom four come Christmas if nothing is done. GOOD SOLID EXPERIENCED signings need to be made before the season starts.
Where were the "GOOD SOLID EXPERIENCED" players when we ended the season with our best run in over 25 years - including beating Brentford, Sheff U and Preston????? . It was the likes of Louis Thompson who shone in those games! . Who was in charge of that run? . Thats right it was Cooper and his change in system and formation! . . We had this relegation fodder spiel all last year and we were never once in danger of relegation . Wes, N.Thompson, Byrne, Luongo, L.Thompson, Kasim, Smith and Williams are the spine of our squad and all have expereince in L1 and as they are all now more experienced than last year - I'm more certain than last year we will be top half!
We shall see... You are entitled to your opinion, as am I. In my view playing one season in division one at most in some cases is not sufficient experience to be particularly confident about next season. Towards the end of last season, Cooper got lucky - Troy regained his fitness, McEveley played LB and we were fortunate to have the best young player of last season in Stephens. And without the back four including those 3 and Nathan, we would have seen a continuation of that dire 12 match run, when we were terrible. And Cooper resorted to infamous 4-6-0. And where are the goals going to come from, especially away from home. Williams, Barker and Smith what more need I say? Money constraints accepted, we should follow the example set by Brentford last season - strengthen the squad with experienced players and let the younger lads play around them.
London Red you plank WE LOST ARE LAST 2 GAMES scoring 1 goal and conceding 4... Well said midlandrobin spot on
I'm the plank? We may have lost OUR last 2 games but what about the great run before that - you know the best for over 25 years? . You are exactly the minority Cooper was referring about - focus only on the downside! . We could lose 2 go unbeaten for 42 and then lose 2 and it will only be the 4 defeats you bleat on about again and again!
WHAT ABOUT THE 16 GAMES BEFORE THAT..You no the one were we never won a game !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!.NO THOUGHT NOT Are worse run in 29 years. You are exactly the minority Cooper was referring about - focus only on the downside!.. I DONT CARE WHAT THAT OTHER PLANK THINKS.. Sorry if you fell that way london BUT i do really want to be positive but looking at what we have in are squad TO ME it is very very hard to see the positive side PS Look at the minority of planks that on on this site
You really need to actually do some research before making a complete tw@t of yourself!! . OUR worse run for 29 years - where we failed to win for 16 games???? . Ok the winless run was 7 - granted not great but isn't anywhere near as bad as you make it out to be . Also what about 2010/11?????? . You know where we went 18 - yes EIGHTEEN GAMES - without a win! . Which was followed up with another 4 after a rare win at Brentford making in 1 win 23! . Now that is a poor run and that was under a vastly experienced manager with a squad full of vastly experienced players!
I just love winding you up as you think you no everything about STFC.. I dont have time to research as you put it...I work. As Brentford steve was spot on about you.. Nice block but never wrong.. I get it you love what is happening at STFC as you can see use being a c/ship club with power and cooper at the helm,BUT then again you thought the same under Fitton @ Malpas,,,lots of laughs LR please spot snapping all the time its only banter
Interesting comment - don't have time to do research (fair enough) but still happy to quote opinion as fact. Then take offense when someone points out you're wrong and can back up why. It's basically saying "I know exactly what's going on - I don't have the time or the inclination to really find out, but I've made my mind up anyway."

Notice London Red comes in for a lot of stick by trying to back up his point with facts, and I'm always amazed how people can get so annoyed by it. If you're expressing an opinion on a player or a match or whatever, that's subjective, people can view things differently.

But if you're saying something like "it was our wirst run in 29 years," you first have to qualify in what terms (games without a win, consecutive defeats, least points accumulated or most goals conceded over a season etc etc) and then give an example.

If you don't have time to do it, no-one's knocking you for that, but don't make a sweeping statement which you can't back up, then get offended when someone points our you're wrong!
[quote][p][bold]dazzastfc[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]London Red[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]dazzastfc[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]London Red[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]dazzastfc[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]MidlandRobin[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]London Red[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]MidlandRobin[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]London Red[/bold] wrote: Cooper and Power have both said we are looking at 4 loans - 2 CBs, 1 LB and 1 CF . I would therefore, think this has no impact on Stephens as that still leaves another CB . I would have thought as some have suggested that this could be a "trial" to see if he has enough about thim to extend for the year - maybe as an alternative to the other initial CB lined up as they were all meant to be Premiership - which Derby are not . As for filling our squad or borrowing a team is 4 really doing that? . That is only a tiny percentage of our squad comapred to our own players! . 19 Full time Pros (ex Ward and Harley), 2 Scholars and potentially 3 or 4 loanees to make a squad of 25 - so that is over 75% Perm STFC players and about 85% if Scholars included - pretty much an STFC squad if you ask me! . First team too is likely to be 8 or 9 STFC players - so again 75-80% . Squad Foderingham - STFC Belford - STFC N.Thompson - STFC Barthram - STFC Byrne - STFC Jones - STFC Branco - STFC Antonio - STFC De Costa - STFC Luongo - STFC L.Thompson - STFC Kasim - STFC Rodgers - STFC Gladwin - STFC Tijane - STFC Williams - STFC Smith - STFC Barker - STFC Waldon - STFC -------------------- ------------ Randell - STFC Scholar Marshall - STFC Scholar -------------------- ------------ Lelan - Loan Stephens (?) - Loan Smith (?) - Loan A.Other (?) - Loan[/p][/quote]Where's the essential experience for this division? When the heads drop away from home as they did last season too often. Who's going to be there to pick them up? Cooper is no inspiration when the going gets tough. You only have to watch him in the dugout, or listen to him on the radio or watch a post match interview. There's nothing there. Is Cooper scared of signing experienced players? Too much of a threat to his authority? Hope I'm really wrong, but we could potentially be bottom four come Christmas if nothing is done. GOOD SOLID EXPERIENCED signings need to be made before the season starts.[/p][/quote]Where were the "GOOD SOLID EXPERIENCED" players when we ended the season with our best run in over 25 years - including beating Brentford, Sheff U and Preston????? . It was the likes of Louis Thompson who shone in those games! . Who was in charge of that run? . Thats right it was Cooper and his change in system and formation! . . We had this relegation fodder spiel all last year and we were never once in danger of relegation . Wes, N.Thompson, Byrne, Luongo, L.Thompson, Kasim, Smith and Williams are the spine of our squad and all have expereince in L1 and as they are all now more experienced than last year - I'm more certain than last year we will be top half![/p][/quote]We shall see... You are entitled to your opinion, as am I. In my view playing one season in division one at most in some cases is not sufficient experience to be particularly confident about next season. Towards the end of last season, Cooper got lucky - Troy regained his fitness, McEveley played LB and we were fortunate to have the best young player of last season in Stephens. And without the back four including those 3 and Nathan, we would have seen a continuation of that dire 12 match run, when we were terrible. And Cooper resorted to infamous 4-6-0. And where are the goals going to come from, especially away from home. Williams, Barker and Smith what more need I say? Money constraints accepted, we should follow the example set by Brentford last season - strengthen the squad with experienced players and let the younger lads play around them.[/p][/quote]London Red you plank WE LOST ARE LAST 2 GAMES scoring 1 goal and conceding 4... Well said midlandrobin spot on[/p][/quote]I'm the plank? We may have lost OUR last 2 games but what about the great run before that - you know the best for over 25 years? . You are exactly the minority Cooper was referring about - focus only on the downside! . We could lose 2 go unbeaten for 42 and then lose 2 and it will only be the 4 defeats you bleat on about again and again![/p][/quote]WHAT ABOUT THE 16 GAMES BEFORE THAT..You no the one were we never won a game !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!.NO THOUGHT NOT Are worse run in 29 years. You are exactly the minority Cooper was referring about - focus only on the downside!.. I DONT CARE WHAT THAT OTHER PLANK THINKS.. Sorry if you fell that way london BUT i do really want to be positive but looking at what we have in are squad TO ME it is very very hard to see the positive side PS Look at the minority of planks that on on this site[/p][/quote]You really need to actually do some research before making a complete tw@t of yourself!! . OUR worse run for 29 years - where we failed to win for 16 games???? . Ok the winless run was 7 - granted not great but isn't anywhere near as bad as you make it out to be . Also what about 2010/11?????? . You know where we went 18 - yes EIGHTEEN GAMES - without a win! . Which was followed up with another 4 after a rare win at Brentford making in 1 win 23! . Now that is a poor run and that was under a vastly experienced manager with a squad full of vastly experienced players![/p][/quote]I just love winding you up as you think you no everything about STFC.. I dont have time to research as you put it...I work. As Brentford steve was spot on about you.. Nice block but never wrong.. I get it you love what is happening at STFC as you can see use being a c/ship club with power and cooper at the helm,BUT then again you thought the same under Fitton @ Malpas,,,lots of laughs LR please spot snapping all the time its only banter[/p][/quote]Interesting comment - don't have time to do research (fair enough) but still happy to quote opinion as fact. Then take offense when someone points out you're wrong and can back up why. It's basically saying "I know exactly what's going on - I don't have the time or the inclination to really find out, but I've made my mind up anyway." Notice London Red comes in for a lot of stick by trying to back up his point with facts, and I'm always amazed how people can get so annoyed by it. If you're expressing an opinion on a player or a match or whatever, that's subjective, people can view things differently. But if you're saying something like "it was our wirst run in 29 years," you first have to qualify in what terms (games without a win, consecutive defeats, least points accumulated or most goals conceded over a season etc etc) and then give an example. If you don't have time to do it, no-one's knocking you for that, but don't make a sweeping statement which you can't back up, then get offended when someone points our you're wrong! Swindon1984
  • Score: -3

10:08am Thu 24 Jul 14

hertz says...

The pitch looks great :0) COYR
The pitch looks great :0) COYR hertz
  • Score: -1

10:44am Thu 24 Jul 14

London Red says...

I don't think I know everything and don't think I'm never wrong at all
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As 84 said if if subjective topic then of course you think you are right - that goes for everyone - who comes on here a posts something thinking they are wrong?
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I can have my view adjusted if someone says something which makes you think yeah- you have a point there!
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I certainly am now anti spending excess money we don't have on has beens where I wasn't before due to seeing the effects!
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However - as 84 said of you are going to make a sweeping statement as fact and it is completely wrong then sorry I will defend my view - as facts are facts!
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Also I'm not picking on you Dazza - if you start addressing posts aimed at me - expect a response!
I don't think I know everything and don't think I'm never wrong at all . As 84 said if if subjective topic then of course you think you are right - that goes for everyone - who comes on here a posts something thinking they are wrong? . I can have my view adjusted if someone says something which makes you think yeah- you have a point there! . I certainly am now anti spending excess money we don't have on has beens where I wasn't before due to seeing the effects! . However - as 84 said of you are going to make a sweeping statement as fact and it is completely wrong then sorry I will defend my view - as facts are facts! . Also I'm not picking on you Dazza - if you start addressing posts aimed at me - expect a response! London Red
  • Score: 0

12:03pm Thu 24 Jul 14

Swindon1984 says...

Before people get too down in the dumps remember the bad run of form we had when PDC first took over as well, poor players in the squad, bad results, but we went on to win the league (know it was league 2 but still). And even after all the spending, we still managed to play really poorly in some games I can recall - double defeats to Oxford, nearly throwing away the title getting beat away at Aldershot and Gillingham etc etc etc.

Right now we have the court case behind us, an owner committed to sustainable development hopefully putting the boom and bust behind us, some decent home grown players, and a chance to start a season with a clean slate and show what they can do. Rome wasn't built in a day. The previous owners left us in no better position in the league than when they arrived, all at huge expense and making for a rocky ride for the club. The current manager (or cheap option as some disparagingly call him) has done well in my book. I'm more confident with Power than McCrory at the helm. Things could be worse.

Yes, we'd all like the town to be a successful club in terms of winning titles and trophies but sorry, there're 92 clubs in the top four divisions, and in any one season, there're only a few bits up for grabs. We like to think we're special, cause the town are our club, but there're so many out there like us, moderate attendances, moderate funds, all struggling to survive and all dreaming of glory. So many clubs are in the same boat, I don't see why people expect us to be any different.

Bottom line we've still got a club to support, and it's in a better position than it has been at times in the past. Enjoy your Saturdays! I've got a feeling only if the club goes out of business permanently will people then realise how lucky they were to have a club to support - even if we did have "Smith and williams up top," "a s..t manager" on the sidelines, and off the field, "No spurs players, No investment, No hope," to coin Glenda's cheery phrase.
Before people get too down in the dumps remember the bad run of form we had when PDC first took over as well, poor players in the squad, bad results, but we went on to win the league (know it was league 2 but still). And even after all the spending, we still managed to play really poorly in some games I can recall - double defeats to Oxford, nearly throwing away the title getting beat away at Aldershot and Gillingham etc etc etc. Right now we have the court case behind us, an owner committed to sustainable development hopefully putting the boom and bust behind us, some decent home grown players, and a chance to start a season with a clean slate and show what they can do. Rome wasn't built in a day. The previous owners left us in no better position in the league than when they arrived, all at huge expense and making for a rocky ride for the club. The current manager (or cheap option as some disparagingly call him) has done well in my book. I'm more confident with Power than McCrory at the helm. Things could be worse. Yes, we'd all like the town to be a successful club in terms of winning titles and trophies but sorry, there're 92 clubs in the top four divisions, and in any one season, there're only a few bits up for grabs. We like to think we're special, cause the town are our club, but there're so many out there like us, moderate attendances, moderate funds, all struggling to survive and all dreaming of glory. So many clubs are in the same boat, I don't see why people expect us to be any different. Bottom line we've still got a club to support, and it's in a better position than it has been at times in the past. Enjoy your Saturdays! I've got a feeling only if the club goes out of business permanently will people then realise how lucky they were to have a club to support - even if we did have "Smith and williams up top," "a s..t manager" on the sidelines, and off the field, "No spurs players, No investment, No hope," to coin Glenda's cheery phrase. Swindon1984
  • Score: 2

2:18pm Thu 24 Jul 14

steve. says...

Swindon1984 wrote:
Before people get too down in the dumps remember the bad run of form we had when PDC first took over as well, poor players in the squad, bad results, but we went on to win the league (know it was league 2 but still). And even after all the spending, we still managed to play really poorly in some games I can recall - double defeats to Oxford, nearly throwing away the title getting beat away at Aldershot and Gillingham etc etc etc.

Right now we have the court case behind us, an owner committed to sustainable development hopefully putting the boom and bust behind us, some decent home grown players, and a chance to start a season with a clean slate and show what they can do. Rome wasn't built in a day. The previous owners left us in no better position in the league than when they arrived, all at huge expense and making for a rocky ride for the club. The current manager (or cheap option as some disparagingly call him) has done well in my book. I'm more confident with Power than McCrory at the helm. Things could be worse.

Yes, we'd all like the town to be a successful club in terms of winning titles and trophies but sorry, there're 92 clubs in the top four divisions, and in any one season, there're only a few bits up for grabs. We like to think we're special, cause the town are our club, but there're so many out there like us, moderate attendances, moderate funds, all struggling to survive and all dreaming of glory. So many clubs are in the same boat, I don't see why people expect us to be any different.

Bottom line we've still got a club to support, and it's in a better position than it has been at times in the past. Enjoy your Saturdays! I've got a feeling only if the club goes out of business permanently will people then realise how lucky they were to have a club to support - even if we did have "Smith and williams up top," "a s..t manager" on the sidelines, and off the field, "No spurs players, No investment, No hope," to coin Glenda's cheery phrase.
Good post 84, We have been crying out for some home grown youngsters to be given a chance, the last time i spoke to DB (Budgie) we was saying the very same thing. Lets hope we never have to find out if people would realise how lucky they were to have a smashing local club on their doorsteps once it`s gone. Nothing lasts forever as we know.
[quote][p][bold]Swindon1984[/bold] wrote: Before people get too down in the dumps remember the bad run of form we had when PDC first took over as well, poor players in the squad, bad results, but we went on to win the league (know it was league 2 but still). And even after all the spending, we still managed to play really poorly in some games I can recall - double defeats to Oxford, nearly throwing away the title getting beat away at Aldershot and Gillingham etc etc etc. Right now we have the court case behind us, an owner committed to sustainable development hopefully putting the boom and bust behind us, some decent home grown players, and a chance to start a season with a clean slate and show what they can do. Rome wasn't built in a day. The previous owners left us in no better position in the league than when they arrived, all at huge expense and making for a rocky ride for the club. The current manager (or cheap option as some disparagingly call him) has done well in my book. I'm more confident with Power than McCrory at the helm. Things could be worse. Yes, we'd all like the town to be a successful club in terms of winning titles and trophies but sorry, there're 92 clubs in the top four divisions, and in any one season, there're only a few bits up for grabs. We like to think we're special, cause the town are our club, but there're so many out there like us, moderate attendances, moderate funds, all struggling to survive and all dreaming of glory. So many clubs are in the same boat, I don't see why people expect us to be any different. Bottom line we've still got a club to support, and it's in a better position than it has been at times in the past. Enjoy your Saturdays! I've got a feeling only if the club goes out of business permanently will people then realise how lucky they were to have a club to support - even if we did have "Smith and williams up top," "a s..t manager" on the sidelines, and off the field, "No spurs players, No investment, No hope," to coin Glenda's cheery phrase.[/p][/quote]Good post 84, We have been crying out for some home grown youngsters to be given a chance, the last time i spoke to DB (Budgie) we was saying the very same thing. Lets hope we never have to find out if people would realise how lucky they were to have a smashing local club on their doorsteps once it`s gone. Nothing lasts forever as we know. steve.
  • Score: 1

3:35pm Thu 24 Jul 14

Swindon1984 says...

Cheers Steve.

Just going back to the original point of the article (apart from the fact we should be offering our support to any player in a town shirt) - we have young players who've looked good in pre-season that've come up through our academy, and no-one's complaining. This lad's arrived from a team playing at a higher level - it'd be logical to think he'll be at least as good a prospect as anyone we can produce. Give the guy a chance. If a player went on this site before coming to the club they'd never want to play for us, and I wouldn't blame them!
Cheers Steve. Just going back to the original point of the article (apart from the fact we should be offering our support to any player in a town shirt) - we have young players who've looked good in pre-season that've come up through our academy, and no-one's complaining. This lad's arrived from a team playing at a higher level - it'd be logical to think he'll be at least as good a prospect as anyone we can produce. Give the guy a chance. If a player went on this site before coming to the club they'd never want to play for us, and I wouldn't blame them! Swindon1984
  • Score: 1

5:25pm Thu 24 Jul 14

dazzastfc says...

Swindon1984 wrote:
dazzastfc wrote:
London Red wrote:
dazzastfc wrote:
London Red wrote:
dazzastfc wrote:
MidlandRobin wrote:
London Red wrote:
MidlandRobin wrote:
London Red wrote: Cooper and Power have both said we are looking at 4 loans - 2 CBs, 1 LB and 1 CF . I would therefore, think this has no impact on Stephens as that still leaves another CB . I would have thought as some have suggested that this could be a "trial" to see if he has enough about thim to extend for the year - maybe as an alternative to the other initial CB lined up as they were all meant to be Premiership - which Derby are not . As for filling our squad or borrowing a team is 4 really doing that? . That is only a tiny percentage of our squad comapred to our own players! . 19 Full time Pros (ex Ward and Harley), 2 Scholars and potentially 3 or 4 loanees to make a squad of 25 - so that is over 75% Perm STFC players and about 85% if Scholars included - pretty much an STFC squad if you ask me! . First team too is likely to be 8 or 9 STFC players - so again 75-80% . Squad Foderingham - STFC Belford - STFC N.Thompson - STFC Barthram - STFC Byrne - STFC Jones - STFC Branco - STFC Antonio - STFC De Costa - STFC Luongo - STFC L.Thompson - STFC Kasim - STFC Rodgers - STFC Gladwin - STFC Tijane - STFC Williams - STFC Smith - STFC Barker - STFC Waldon - STFC -------------------- ------------ Randell - STFC Scholar Marshall - STFC Scholar -------------------- ------------ Lelan - Loan Stephens (?) - Loan Smith (?) - Loan A.Other (?) - Loan
Where's the essential experience for this division? When the heads drop away from home as they did last season too often. Who's going to be there to pick them up? Cooper is no inspiration when the going gets tough. You only have to watch him in the dugout, or listen to him on the radio or watch a post match interview. There's nothing there. Is Cooper scared of signing experienced players? Too much of a threat to his authority? Hope I'm really wrong, but we could potentially be bottom four come Christmas if nothing is done. GOOD SOLID EXPERIENCED signings need to be made before the season starts.
Where were the "GOOD SOLID EXPERIENCED" players when we ended the season with our best run in over 25 years - including beating Brentford, Sheff U and Preston????? . It was the likes of Louis Thompson who shone in those games! . Who was in charge of that run? . Thats right it was Cooper and his change in system and formation! . . We had this relegation fodder spiel all last year and we were never once in danger of relegation . Wes, N.Thompson, Byrne, Luongo, L.Thompson, Kasim, Smith and Williams are the spine of our squad and all have expereince in L1 and as they are all now more experienced than last year - I'm more certain than last year we will be top half!
We shall see... You are entitled to your opinion, as am I. In my view playing one season in division one at most in some cases is not sufficient experience to be particularly confident about next season. Towards the end of last season, Cooper got lucky - Troy regained his fitness, McEveley played LB and we were fortunate to have the best young player of last season in Stephens. And without the back four including those 3 and Nathan, we would have seen a continuation of that dire 12 match run, when we were terrible. And Cooper resorted to infamous 4-6-0. And where are the goals going to come from, especially away from home. Williams, Barker and Smith what more need I say? Money constraints accepted, we should follow the example set by Brentford last season - strengthen the squad with experienced players and let the younger lads play around them.
London Red you plank WE LOST ARE LAST 2 GAMES scoring 1 goal and conceding 4... Well said midlandrobin spot on
I'm the plank? We may have lost OUR last 2 games but what about the great run before that - you know the best for over 25 years? . You are exactly the minority Cooper was referring about - focus only on the downside! . We could lose 2 go unbeaten for 42 and then lose 2 and it will only be the 4 defeats you bleat on about again and again!
WHAT ABOUT THE 16 GAMES BEFORE THAT..You no the one were we never won a game !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!.NO THOUGHT NOT Are worse run in 29 years. You are exactly the minority Cooper was referring about - focus only on the downside!.. I DONT CARE WHAT THAT OTHER PLANK THINKS.. Sorry if you fell that way london BUT i do really want to be positive but looking at what we have in are squad TO ME it is very very hard to see the positive side PS Look at the minority of planks that on on this site
You really need to actually do some research before making a complete tw@t of yourself!! . OUR worse run for 29 years - where we failed to win for 16 games???? . Ok the winless run was 7 - granted not great but isn't anywhere near as bad as you make it out to be . Also what about 2010/11?????? . You know where we went 18 - yes EIGHTEEN GAMES - without a win! . Which was followed up with another 4 after a rare win at Brentford making in 1 win 23! . Now that is a poor run and that was under a vastly experienced manager with a squad full of vastly experienced players!
I just love winding you up as you think you no everything about STFC.. I dont have time to research as you put it...I work. As Brentford steve was spot on about you.. Nice block but never wrong.. I get it you love what is happening at STFC as you can see use being a c/ship club with power and cooper at the helm,BUT then again you thought the same under Fitton @ Malpas,,,lots of laughs LR please spot snapping all the time its only banter
Interesting comment - don't have time to do research (fair enough) but still happy to quote opinion as fact. Then take offense when someone points out you're wrong and can back up why. It's basically saying "I know exactly what's going on - I don't have the time or the inclination to really find out, but I've made my mind up anyway."

Notice London Red comes in for a lot of stick by trying to back up his point with facts, and I'm always amazed how people can get so annoyed by it. If you're expressing an opinion on a player or a match or whatever, that's subjective, people can view things differently.

But if you're saying something like "it was our wirst run in 29 years," you first have to qualify in what terms (games without a win, consecutive defeats, least points accumulated or most goals conceded over a season etc etc) and then give an example.

If you don't have time to do it, no-one's knocking you for that, but don't make a sweeping statement which you can't back up, then get offended when someone points our you're wrong!
Sorry Swindon1984 in wasting your very valuable time by responding to something that had nothing to do with you..
BUT THAT'S YOUR OPINION..
Sorry sir no more winding up LR and no more tapping numbers just to get a response..sorry london
I am so so sorry if people have taken it the wrong way..
I will now be a reformed person and spend more time on this site wasting my life away..
[quote][p][bold]Swindon1984[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]dazzastfc[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]London Red[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]dazzastfc[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]London Red[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]dazzastfc[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]MidlandRobin[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]London Red[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]MidlandRobin[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]London Red[/bold] wrote: Cooper and Power have both said we are looking at 4 loans - 2 CBs, 1 LB and 1 CF . I would therefore, think this has no impact on Stephens as that still leaves another CB . I would have thought as some have suggested that this could be a "trial" to see if he has enough about thim to extend for the year - maybe as an alternative to the other initial CB lined up as they were all meant to be Premiership - which Derby are not . As for filling our squad or borrowing a team is 4 really doing that? . That is only a tiny percentage of our squad comapred to our own players! . 19 Full time Pros (ex Ward and Harley), 2 Scholars and potentially 3 or 4 loanees to make a squad of 25 - so that is over 75% Perm STFC players and about 85% if Scholars included - pretty much an STFC squad if you ask me! . First team too is likely to be 8 or 9 STFC players - so again 75-80% . Squad Foderingham - STFC Belford - STFC N.Thompson - STFC Barthram - STFC Byrne - STFC Jones - STFC Branco - STFC Antonio - STFC De Costa - STFC Luongo - STFC L.Thompson - STFC Kasim - STFC Rodgers - STFC Gladwin - STFC Tijane - STFC Williams - STFC Smith - STFC Barker - STFC Waldon - STFC -------------------- ------------ Randell - STFC Scholar Marshall - STFC Scholar -------------------- ------------ Lelan - Loan Stephens (?) - Loan Smith (?) - Loan A.Other (?) - Loan[/p][/quote]Where's the essential experience for this division? When the heads drop away from home as they did last season too often. Who's going to be there to pick them up? Cooper is no inspiration when the going gets tough. You only have to watch him in the dugout, or listen to him on the radio or watch a post match interview. There's nothing there. Is Cooper scared of signing experienced players? Too much of a threat to his authority? Hope I'm really wrong, but we could potentially be bottom four come Christmas if nothing is done. GOOD SOLID EXPERIENCED signings need to be made before the season starts.[/p][/quote]Where were the "GOOD SOLID EXPERIENCED" players when we ended the season with our best run in over 25 years - including beating Brentford, Sheff U and Preston????? . It was the likes of Louis Thompson who shone in those games! . Who was in charge of that run? . Thats right it was Cooper and his change in system and formation! . . We had this relegation fodder spiel all last year and we were never once in danger of relegation . Wes, N.Thompson, Byrne, Luongo, L.Thompson, Kasim, Smith and Williams are the spine of our squad and all have expereince in L1 and as they are all now more experienced than last year - I'm more certain than last year we will be top half![/p][/quote]We shall see... You are entitled to your opinion, as am I. In my view playing one season in division one at most in some cases is not sufficient experience to be particularly confident about next season. Towards the end of last season, Cooper got lucky - Troy regained his fitness, McEveley played LB and we were fortunate to have the best young player of last season in Stephens. And without the back four including those 3 and Nathan, we would have seen a continuation of that dire 12 match run, when we were terrible. And Cooper resorted to infamous 4-6-0. And where are the goals going to come from, especially away from home. Williams, Barker and Smith what more need I say? Money constraints accepted, we should follow the example set by Brentford last season - strengthen the squad with experienced players and let the younger lads play around them.[/p][/quote]London Red you plank WE LOST ARE LAST 2 GAMES scoring 1 goal and conceding 4... Well said midlandrobin spot on[/p][/quote]I'm the plank? We may have lost OUR last 2 games but what about the great run before that - you know the best for over 25 years? . You are exactly the minority Cooper was referring about - focus only on the downside! . We could lose 2 go unbeaten for 42 and then lose 2 and it will only be the 4 defeats you bleat on about again and again![/p][/quote]WHAT ABOUT THE 16 GAMES BEFORE THAT..You no the one were we never won a game !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!.NO THOUGHT NOT Are worse run in 29 years. You are exactly the minority Cooper was referring about - focus only on the downside!.. I DONT CARE WHAT THAT OTHER PLANK THINKS.. Sorry if you fell that way london BUT i do really want to be positive but looking at what we have in are squad TO ME it is very very hard to see the positive side PS Look at the minority of planks that on on this site[/p][/quote]You really need to actually do some research before making a complete tw@t of yourself!! . OUR worse run for 29 years - where we failed to win for 16 games???? . Ok the winless run was 7 - granted not great but isn't anywhere near as bad as you make it out to be . Also what about 2010/11?????? . You know where we went 18 - yes EIGHTEEN GAMES - without a win! . Which was followed up with another 4 after a rare win at Brentford making in 1 win 23! . Now that is a poor run and that was under a vastly experienced manager with a squad full of vastly experienced players![/p][/quote]I just love winding you up as you think you no everything about STFC.. I dont have time to research as you put it...I work. As Brentford steve was spot on about you.. Nice block but never wrong.. I get it you love what is happening at STFC as you can see use being a c/ship club with power and cooper at the helm,BUT then again you thought the same under Fitton @ Malpas,,,lots of laughs LR please spot snapping all the time its only banter[/p][/quote]Interesting comment - don't have time to do research (fair enough) but still happy to quote opinion as fact. Then take offense when someone points out you're wrong and can back up why. It's basically saying "I know exactly what's going on - I don't have the time or the inclination to really find out, but I've made my mind up anyway." Notice London Red comes in for a lot of stick by trying to back up his point with facts, and I'm always amazed how people can get so annoyed by it. If you're expressing an opinion on a player or a match or whatever, that's subjective, people can view things differently. But if you're saying something like "it was our wirst run in 29 years," you first have to qualify in what terms (games without a win, consecutive defeats, least points accumulated or most goals conceded over a season etc etc) and then give an example. If you don't have time to do it, no-one's knocking you for that, but don't make a sweeping statement which you can't back up, then get offended when someone points our you're wrong![/p][/quote]Sorry Swindon1984 in wasting your very valuable time by responding to something that had nothing to do with you.. BUT THAT'S YOUR OPINION.. Sorry sir no more winding up LR and no more tapping numbers just to get a response..sorry london I am so so sorry if people have taken it the wrong way.. I will now be a reformed person and spend more time on this site wasting my life away.. dazzastfc
  • Score: -1

6:28pm Thu 24 Jul 14

Steve. Brentford says...

Swindon1984 wrote:
Cheers Steve.

Just going back to the original point of the article (apart from the fact we should be offering our support to any player in a town shirt) - we have young players who've looked good in pre-season that've come up through our academy, and no-one's complaining. This lad's arrived from a team playing at a higher level - it'd be logical to think he'll be at least as good a prospect as anyone we can produce. Give the guy a chance. If a player went on this site before coming to the club they'd never want to play for us, and I wouldn't blame them!
I`m with you in supporting all players who wear the shirt and giving our youngsters our full support. however as social media and the likes are here to stay then players and managers will always face the sort of things you read on here and far worse in some cases at almost every club, not condoning this but unfortunately thats the truth.
[quote][p][bold]Swindon1984[/bold] wrote: Cheers Steve. Just going back to the original point of the article (apart from the fact we should be offering our support to any player in a town shirt) - we have young players who've looked good in pre-season that've come up through our academy, and no-one's complaining. This lad's arrived from a team playing at a higher level - it'd be logical to think he'll be at least as good a prospect as anyone we can produce. Give the guy a chance. If a player went on this site before coming to the club they'd never want to play for us, and I wouldn't blame them![/p][/quote]I`m with you in supporting all players who wear the shirt and giving our youngsters our full support. however as social media and the likes are here to stay then players and managers will always face the sort of things you read on here and far worse in some cases at almost every club, not condoning this but unfortunately thats the truth. Steve. Brentford
  • Score: 1

8:50pm Thu 24 Jul 14

dazzastfc says...

dazzastfc wrote:
Swindon1984 wrote:
dazzastfc wrote:
London Red wrote:
dazzastfc wrote:
London Red wrote:
dazzastfc wrote:
MidlandRobin wrote:
London Red wrote:
MidlandRobin wrote:
London Red wrote: Cooper and Power have both said we are looking at 4 loans - 2 CBs, 1 LB and 1 CF . I would therefore, think this has no impact on Stephens as that still leaves another CB . I would have thought as some have suggested that this could be a "trial" to see if he has enough about thim to extend for the year - maybe as an alternative to the other initial CB lined up as they were all meant to be Premiership - which Derby are not . As for filling our squad or borrowing a team is 4 really doing that? . That is only a tiny percentage of our squad comapred to our own players! . 19 Full time Pros (ex Ward and Harley), 2 Scholars and potentially 3 or 4 loanees to make a squad of 25 - so that is over 75% Perm STFC players and about 85% if Scholars included - pretty much an STFC squad if you ask me! . First team too is likely to be 8 or 9 STFC players - so again 75-80% . Squad Foderingham - STFC Belford - STFC N.Thompson - STFC Barthram - STFC Byrne - STFC Jones - STFC Branco - STFC Antonio - STFC De Costa - STFC Luongo - STFC L.Thompson - STFC Kasim - STFC Rodgers - STFC Gladwin - STFC Tijane - STFC Williams - STFC Smith - STFC Barker - STFC Waldon - STFC -------------------- ------------ Randell - STFC Scholar Marshall - STFC Scholar -------------------- ------------ Lelan - Loan Stephens (?) - Loan Smith (?) - Loan A.Other (?) - Loan
Where's the essential experience for this division? When the heads drop away from home as they did last season too often. Who's going to be there to pick them up? Cooper is no inspiration when the going gets tough. You only have to watch him in the dugout, or listen to him on the radio or watch a post match interview. There's nothing there. Is Cooper scared of signing experienced players? Too much of a threat to his authority? Hope I'm really wrong, but we could potentially be bottom four come Christmas if nothing is done. GOOD SOLID EXPERIENCED signings need to be made before the season starts.
Where were the "GOOD SOLID EXPERIENCED" players when we ended the season with our best run in over 25 years - including beating Brentford, Sheff U and Preston????? . It was the likes of Louis Thompson who shone in those games! . Who was in charge of that run? . Thats right it was Cooper and his change in system and formation! . . We had this relegation fodder spiel all last year and we were never once in danger of relegation . Wes, N.Thompson, Byrne, Luongo, L.Thompson, Kasim, Smith and Williams are the spine of our squad and all have expereince in L1 and as they are all now more experienced than last year - I'm more certain than last year we will be top half!
We shall see... You are entitled to your opinion, as am I. In my view playing one season in division one at most in some cases is not sufficient experience to be particularly confident about next season. Towards the end of last season, Cooper got lucky - Troy regained his fitness, McEveley played LB and we were fortunate to have the best young player of last season in Stephens. And without the back four including those 3 and Nathan, we would have seen a continuation of that dire 12 match run, when we were terrible. And Cooper resorted to infamous 4-6-0. And where are the goals going to come from, especially away from home. Williams, Barker and Smith what more need I say? Money constraints accepted, we should follow the example set by Brentford last season - strengthen the squad with experienced players and let the younger lads play around them.
London Red you plank WE LOST ARE LAST 2 GAMES scoring 1 goal and conceding 4... Well said midlandrobin spot on
I'm the plank? We may have lost OUR last 2 games but what about the great run before that - you know the best for over 25 years? . You are exactly the minority Cooper was referring about - focus only on the downside! . We could lose 2 go unbeaten for 42 and then lose 2 and it will only be the 4 defeats you bleat on about again and again!
WHAT ABOUT THE 16 GAMES BEFORE THAT..You no the one were we never won a game !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!.NO THOUGHT NOT Are worse run in 29 years. You are exactly the minority Cooper was referring about - focus only on the downside!.. I DONT CARE WHAT THAT OTHER PLANK THINKS.. Sorry if you fell that way london BUT i do really want to be positive but looking at what we have in are squad TO ME it is very very hard to see the positive side PS Look at the minority of planks that on on this site
You really need to actually do some research before making a complete tw@t of yourself!! . OUR worse run for 29 years - where we failed to win for 16 games???? . Ok the winless run was 7 - granted not great but isn't anywhere near as bad as you make it out to be . Also what about 2010/11?????? . You know where we went 18 - yes EIGHTEEN GAMES - without a win! . Which was followed up with another 4 after a rare win at Brentford making in 1 win 23! . Now that is a poor run and that was under a vastly experienced manager with a squad full of vastly experienced players!
I just love winding you up as you think you no everything about STFC.. I dont have time to research as you put it...I work. As Brentford steve was spot on about you.. Nice block but never wrong.. I get it you love what is happening at STFC as you can see use being a c/ship club with power and cooper at the helm,BUT then again you thought the same under Fitton @ Malpas,,,lots of laughs LR please spot snapping all the time its only banter
Interesting comment - don't have time to do research (fair enough) but still happy to quote opinion as fact. Then take offense when someone points out you're wrong and can back up why. It's basically saying "I know exactly what's going on - I don't have the time or the inclination to really find out, but I've made my mind up anyway."

Notice London Red comes in for a lot of stick by trying to back up his point with facts, and I'm always amazed how people can get so annoyed by it. If you're expressing an opinion on a player or a match or whatever, that's subjective, people can view things differently.

But if you're saying something like "it was our wirst run in 29 years," you first have to qualify in what terms (games without a win, consecutive defeats, least points accumulated or most goals conceded over a season etc etc) and then give an example.

If you don't have time to do it, no-one's knocking you for that, but don't make a sweeping statement which you can't back up, then get offended when someone points our you're wrong!
Sorry Swindon1984 in wasting your very valuable time by responding to something that had nothing to do with you..
BUT THAT'S YOUR OPINION..
Sorry sir no more winding up LR and no more tapping numbers just to get a response..sorry london
I am so so sorry if people have taken it the wrong way..
I will now be a reformed person and spend more time on this site wasting my life away..
-2 Now what have i done
[quote][p][bold]dazzastfc[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Swindon1984[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]dazzastfc[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]London Red[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]dazzastfc[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]London Red[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]dazzastfc[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]MidlandRobin[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]London Red[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]MidlandRobin[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]London Red[/bold] wrote: Cooper and Power have both said we are looking at 4 loans - 2 CBs, 1 LB and 1 CF . I would therefore, think this has no impact on Stephens as that still leaves another CB . I would have thought as some have suggested that this could be a "trial" to see if he has enough about thim to extend for the year - maybe as an alternative to the other initial CB lined up as they were all meant to be Premiership - which Derby are not . As for filling our squad or borrowing a team is 4 really doing that? . That is only a tiny percentage of our squad comapred to our own players! . 19 Full time Pros (ex Ward and Harley), 2 Scholars and potentially 3 or 4 loanees to make a squad of 25 - so that is over 75% Perm STFC players and about 85% if Scholars included - pretty much an STFC squad if you ask me! . First team too is likely to be 8 or 9 STFC players - so again 75-80% . Squad Foderingham - STFC Belford - STFC N.Thompson - STFC Barthram - STFC Byrne - STFC Jones - STFC Branco - STFC Antonio - STFC De Costa - STFC Luongo - STFC L.Thompson - STFC Kasim - STFC Rodgers - STFC Gladwin - STFC Tijane - STFC Williams - STFC Smith - STFC Barker - STFC Waldon - STFC -------------------- ------------ Randell - STFC Scholar Marshall - STFC Scholar -------------------- ------------ Lelan - Loan Stephens (?) - Loan Smith (?) - Loan A.Other (?) - Loan[/p][/quote]Where's the essential experience for this division? When the heads drop away from home as they did last season too often. Who's going to be there to pick them up? Cooper is no inspiration when the going gets tough. You only have to watch him in the dugout, or listen to him on the radio or watch a post match interview. There's nothing there. Is Cooper scared of signing experienced players? Too much of a threat to his authority? Hope I'm really wrong, but we could potentially be bottom four come Christmas if nothing is done. GOOD SOLID EXPERIENCED signings need to be made before the season starts.[/p][/quote]Where were the "GOOD SOLID EXPERIENCED" players when we ended the season with our best run in over 25 years - including beating Brentford, Sheff U and Preston????? . It was the likes of Louis Thompson who shone in those games! . Who was in charge of that run? . Thats right it was Cooper and his change in system and formation! . . We had this relegation fodder spiel all last year and we were never once in danger of relegation . Wes, N.Thompson, Byrne, Luongo, L.Thompson, Kasim, Smith and Williams are the spine of our squad and all have expereince in L1 and as they are all now more experienced than last year - I'm more certain than last year we will be top half![/p][/quote]We shall see... You are entitled to your opinion, as am I. In my view playing one season in division one at most in some cases is not sufficient experience to be particularly confident about next season. Towards the end of last season, Cooper got lucky - Troy regained his fitness, McEveley played LB and we were fortunate to have the best young player of last season in Stephens. And without the back four including those 3 and Nathan, we would have seen a continuation of that dire 12 match run, when we were terrible. And Cooper resorted to infamous 4-6-0. And where are the goals going to come from, especially away from home. Williams, Barker and Smith what more need I say? Money constraints accepted, we should follow the example set by Brentford last season - strengthen the squad with experienced players and let the younger lads play around them.[/p][/quote]London Red you plank WE LOST ARE LAST 2 GAMES scoring 1 goal and conceding 4... Well said midlandrobin spot on[/p][/quote]I'm the plank? We may have lost OUR last 2 games but what about the great run before that - you know the best for over 25 years? . You are exactly the minority Cooper was referring about - focus only on the downside! . We could lose 2 go unbeaten for 42 and then lose 2 and it will only be the 4 defeats you bleat on about again and again![/p][/quote]WHAT ABOUT THE 16 GAMES BEFORE THAT..You no the one were we never won a game !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!.NO THOUGHT NOT Are worse run in 29 years. You are exactly the minority Cooper was referring about - focus only on the downside!.. I DONT CARE WHAT THAT OTHER PLANK THINKS.. Sorry if you fell that way london BUT i do really want to be positive but looking at what we have in are squad TO ME it is very very hard to see the positive side PS Look at the minority of planks that on on this site[/p][/quote]You really need to actually do some research before making a complete tw@t of yourself!! . OUR worse run for 29 years - where we failed to win for 16 games???? . Ok the winless run was 7 - granted not great but isn't anywhere near as bad as you make it out to be . Also what about 2010/11?????? . You know where we went 18 - yes EIGHTEEN GAMES - without a win! . Which was followed up with another 4 after a rare win at Brentford making in 1 win 23! . Now that is a poor run and that was under a vastly experienced manager with a squad full of vastly experienced players![/p][/quote]I just love winding you up as you think you no everything about STFC.. I dont have time to research as you put it...I work. As Brentford steve was spot on about you.. Nice block but never wrong.. I get it you love what is happening at STFC as you can see use being a c/ship club with power and cooper at the helm,BUT then again you thought the same under Fitton @ Malpas,,,lots of laughs LR please spot snapping all the time its only banter[/p][/quote]Interesting comment - don't have time to do research (fair enough) but still happy to quote opinion as fact. Then take offense when someone points out you're wrong and can back up why. It's basically saying "I know exactly what's going on - I don't have the time or the inclination to really find out, but I've made my mind up anyway." Notice London Red comes in for a lot of stick by trying to back up his point with facts, and I'm always amazed how people can get so annoyed by it. If you're expressing an opinion on a player or a match or whatever, that's subjective, people can view things differently. But if you're saying something like "it was our wirst run in 29 years," you first have to qualify in what terms (games without a win, consecutive defeats, least points accumulated or most goals conceded over a season etc etc) and then give an example. If you don't have time to do it, no-one's knocking you for that, but don't make a sweeping statement which you can't back up, then get offended when someone points our you're wrong![/p][/quote]Sorry Swindon1984 in wasting your very valuable time by responding to something that had nothing to do with you.. BUT THAT'S YOUR OPINION.. Sorry sir no more winding up LR and no more tapping numbers just to get a response..sorry london I am so so sorry if people have taken it the wrong way.. I will now be a reformed person and spend more time on this site wasting my life away..[/p][/quote]-2 Now what have i done dazzastfc
  • Score: -1

3:20pm Fri 25 Jul 14

Swindon1984 says...

dazzastfc wrote:
Swindon1984 wrote:
dazzastfc wrote:
London Red wrote:
dazzastfc wrote:
London Red wrote:
dazzastfc wrote:
MidlandRobin wrote:
London Red wrote:
MidlandRobin wrote:
London Red wrote: Cooper and Power have both said we are looking at 4 loans - 2 CBs, 1 LB and 1 CF . I would therefore, think this has no impact on Stephens as that still leaves another CB . I would have thought as some have suggested that this could be a "trial" to see if he has enough about thim to extend for the year - maybe as an alternative to the other initial CB lined up as they were all meant to be Premiership - which Derby are not . As for filling our squad or borrowing a team is 4 really doing that? . That is only a tiny percentage of our squad comapred to our own players! . 19 Full time Pros (ex Ward and Harley), 2 Scholars and potentially 3 or 4 loanees to make a squad of 25 - so that is over 75% Perm STFC players and about 85% if Scholars included - pretty much an STFC squad if you ask me! . First team too is likely to be 8 or 9 STFC players - so again 75-80% . Squad Foderingham - STFC Belford - STFC N.Thompson - STFC Barthram - STFC Byrne - STFC Jones - STFC Branco - STFC Antonio - STFC De Costa - STFC Luongo - STFC L.Thompson - STFC Kasim - STFC Rodgers - STFC Gladwin - STFC Tijane - STFC Williams - STFC Smith - STFC Barker - STFC Waldon - STFC -------------------- ------------ Randell - STFC Scholar Marshall - STFC Scholar -------------------- ------------ Lelan - Loan Stephens (?) - Loan Smith (?) - Loan A.Other (?) - Loan
Where's the essential experience for this division? When the heads drop away from home as they did last season too often. Who's going to be there to pick them up? Cooper is no inspiration when the going gets tough. You only have to watch him in the dugout, or listen to him on the radio or watch a post match interview. There's nothing there. Is Cooper scared of signing experienced players? Too much of a threat to his authority? Hope I'm really wrong, but we could potentially be bottom four come Christmas if nothing is done. GOOD SOLID EXPERIENCED signings need to be made before the season starts.
Where were the "GOOD SOLID EXPERIENCED" players when we ended the season with our best run in over 25 years - including beating Brentford, Sheff U and Preston????? . It was the likes of Louis Thompson who shone in those games! . Who was in charge of that run? . Thats right it was Cooper and his change in system and formation! . . We had this relegation fodder spiel all last year and we were never once in danger of relegation . Wes, N.Thompson, Byrne, Luongo, L.Thompson, Kasim, Smith and Williams are the spine of our squad and all have expereince in L1 and as they are all now more experienced than last year - I'm more certain than last year we will be top half!
We shall see... You are entitled to your opinion, as am I. In my view playing one season in division one at most in some cases is not sufficient experience to be particularly confident about next season. Towards the end of last season, Cooper got lucky - Troy regained his fitness, McEveley played LB and we were fortunate to have the best young player of last season in Stephens. And without the back four including those 3 and Nathan, we would have seen a continuation of that dire 12 match run, when we were terrible. And Cooper resorted to infamous 4-6-0. And where are the goals going to come from, especially away from home. Williams, Barker and Smith what more need I say? Money constraints accepted, we should follow the example set by Brentford last season - strengthen the squad with experienced players and let the younger lads play around them.
London Red you plank WE LOST ARE LAST 2 GAMES scoring 1 goal and conceding 4... Well said midlandrobin spot on
I'm the plank? We may have lost OUR last 2 games but what about the great run before that - you know the best for over 25 years? . You are exactly the minority Cooper was referring about - focus only on the downside! . We could lose 2 go unbeaten for 42 and then lose 2 and it will only be the 4 defeats you bleat on about again and again!
WHAT ABOUT THE 16 GAMES BEFORE THAT..You no the one were we never won a game !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!.NO THOUGHT NOT Are worse run in 29 years. You are exactly the minority Cooper was referring about - focus only on the downside!.. I DONT CARE WHAT THAT OTHER PLANK THINKS.. Sorry if you fell that way london BUT i do really want to be positive but looking at what we have in are squad TO ME it is very very hard to see the positive side PS Look at the minority of planks that on on this site
You really need to actually do some research before making a complete tw@t of yourself!! . OUR worse run for 29 years - where we failed to win for 16 games???? . Ok the winless run was 7 - granted not great but isn't anywhere near as bad as you make it out to be . Also what about 2010/11?????? . You know where we went 18 - yes EIGHTEEN GAMES - without a win! . Which was followed up with another 4 after a rare win at Brentford making in 1 win 23! . Now that is a poor run and that was under a vastly experienced manager with a squad full of vastly experienced players!
I just love winding you up as you think you no everything about STFC.. I dont have time to research as you put it...I work. As Brentford steve was spot on about you.. Nice block but never wrong.. I get it you love what is happening at STFC as you can see use being a c/ship club with power and cooper at the helm,BUT then again you thought the same under Fitton @ Malpas,,,lots of laughs LR please spot snapping all the time its only banter
Interesting comment - don't have time to do research (fair enough) but still happy to quote opinion as fact. Then take offense when someone points out you're wrong and can back up why. It's basically saying "I know exactly what's going on - I don't have the time or the inclination to really find out, but I've made my mind up anyway." Notice London Red comes in for a lot of stick by trying to back up his point with facts, and I'm always amazed how people can get so annoyed by it. If you're expressing an opinion on a player or a match or whatever, that's subjective, people can view things differently. But if you're saying something like "it was our wirst run in 29 years," you first have to qualify in what terms (games without a win, consecutive defeats, least points accumulated or most goals conceded over a season etc etc) and then give an example. If you don't have time to do it, no-one's knocking you for that, but don't make a sweeping statement which you can't back up, then get offended when someone points our you're wrong!
Sorry Swindon1984 in wasting your very valuable time by responding to something that had nothing to do with you.. BUT THAT'S YOUR OPINION.. Sorry sir no more winding up LR and no more tapping numbers just to get a response..sorry london I am so so sorry if people have taken it the wrong way.. I will now be a reformed person and spend more time on this site wasting my life away..
Oh dear... I'm sorry but if you comment publicly anyone can comment back, so the "nothing to do with you" thing is a nonsense. If you really don't want your words to reach anyone else, don't voice them in public. If you do, expect people to comment in return and if you can, try and be an adult about it - sarcasm's the lowest form of wit.
[quote][p][bold]dazzastfc[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Swindon1984[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]dazzastfc[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]London Red[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]dazzastfc[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]London Red[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]dazzastfc[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]MidlandRobin[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]London Red[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]MidlandRobin[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]London Red[/bold] wrote: Cooper and Power have both said we are looking at 4 loans - 2 CBs, 1 LB and 1 CF . I would therefore, think this has no impact on Stephens as that still leaves another CB . I would have thought as some have suggested that this could be a "trial" to see if he has enough about thim to extend for the year - maybe as an alternative to the other initial CB lined up as they were all meant to be Premiership - which Derby are not . As for filling our squad or borrowing a team is 4 really doing that? . That is only a tiny percentage of our squad comapred to our own players! . 19 Full time Pros (ex Ward and Harley), 2 Scholars and potentially 3 or 4 loanees to make a squad of 25 - so that is over 75% Perm STFC players and about 85% if Scholars included - pretty much an STFC squad if you ask me! . First team too is likely to be 8 or 9 STFC players - so again 75-80% . Squad Foderingham - STFC Belford - STFC N.Thompson - STFC Barthram - STFC Byrne - STFC Jones - STFC Branco - STFC Antonio - STFC De Costa - STFC Luongo - STFC L.Thompson - STFC Kasim - STFC Rodgers - STFC Gladwin - STFC Tijane - STFC Williams - STFC Smith - STFC Barker - STFC Waldon - STFC -------------------- ------------ Randell - STFC Scholar Marshall - STFC Scholar -------------------- ------------ Lelan - Loan Stephens (?) - Loan Smith (?) - Loan A.Other (?) - Loan[/p][/quote]Where's the essential experience for this division? When the heads drop away from home as they did last season too often. Who's going to be there to pick them up? Cooper is no inspiration when the going gets tough. You only have to watch him in the dugout, or listen to him on the radio or watch a post match interview. There's nothing there. Is Cooper scared of signing experienced players? Too much of a threat to his authority? Hope I'm really wrong, but we could potentially be bottom four come Christmas if nothing is done. GOOD SOLID EXPERIENCED signings need to be made before the season starts.[/p][/quote]Where were the "GOOD SOLID EXPERIENCED" players when we ended the season with our best run in over 25 years - including beating Brentford, Sheff U and Preston????? . It was the likes of Louis Thompson who shone in those games! . Who was in charge of that run? . Thats right it was Cooper and his change in system and formation! . . We had this relegation fodder spiel all last year and we were never once in danger of relegation . Wes, N.Thompson, Byrne, Luongo, L.Thompson, Kasim, Smith and Williams are the spine of our squad and all have expereince in L1 and as they are all now more experienced than last year - I'm more certain than last year we will be top half![/p][/quote]We shall see... You are entitled to your opinion, as am I. In my view playing one season in division one at most in some cases is not sufficient experience to be particularly confident about next season. Towards the end of last season, Cooper got lucky - Troy regained his fitness, McEveley played LB and we were fortunate to have the best young player of last season in Stephens. And without the back four including those 3 and Nathan, we would have seen a continuation of that dire 12 match run, when we were terrible. And Cooper resorted to infamous 4-6-0. And where are the goals going to come from, especially away from home. Williams, Barker and Smith what more need I say? Money constraints accepted, we should follow the example set by Brentford last season - strengthen the squad with experienced players and let the younger lads play around them.[/p][/quote]London Red you plank WE LOST ARE LAST 2 GAMES scoring 1 goal and conceding 4... Well said midlandrobin spot on[/p][/quote]I'm the plank? We may have lost OUR last 2 games but what about the great run before that - you know the best for over 25 years? . You are exactly the minority Cooper was referring about - focus only on the downside! . We could lose 2 go unbeaten for 42 and then lose 2 and it will only be the 4 defeats you bleat on about again and again![/p][/quote]WHAT ABOUT THE 16 GAMES BEFORE THAT..You no the one were we never won a game !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!.NO THOUGHT NOT Are worse run in 29 years. You are exactly the minority Cooper was referring about - focus only on the downside!.. I DONT CARE WHAT THAT OTHER PLANK THINKS.. Sorry if you fell that way london BUT i do really want to be positive but looking at what we have in are squad TO ME it is very very hard to see the positive side PS Look at the minority of planks that on on this site[/p][/quote]You really need to actually do some research before making a complete tw@t of yourself!! . OUR worse run for 29 years - where we failed to win for 16 games???? . Ok the winless run was 7 - granted not great but isn't anywhere near as bad as you make it out to be . Also what about 2010/11?????? . You know where we went 18 - yes EIGHTEEN GAMES - without a win! . Which was followed up with another 4 after a rare win at Brentford making in 1 win 23! . Now that is a poor run and that was under a vastly experienced manager with a squad full of vastly experienced players![/p][/quote]I just love winding you up as you think you no everything about STFC.. I dont have time to research as you put it...I work. As Brentford steve was spot on about you.. Nice block but never wrong.. I get it you love what is happening at STFC as you can see use being a c/ship club with power and cooper at the helm,BUT then again you thought the same under Fitton @ Malpas,,,lots of laughs LR please spot snapping all the time its only banter[/p][/quote]Interesting comment - don't have time to do research (fair enough) but still happy to quote opinion as fact. Then take offense when someone points out you're wrong and can back up why. It's basically saying "I know exactly what's going on - I don't have the time or the inclination to really find out, but I've made my mind up anyway." Notice London Red comes in for a lot of stick by trying to back up his point with facts, and I'm always amazed how people can get so annoyed by it. If you're expressing an opinion on a player or a match or whatever, that's subjective, people can view things differently. But if you're saying something like "it was our wirst run in 29 years," you first have to qualify in what terms (games without a win, consecutive defeats, least points accumulated or most goals conceded over a season etc etc) and then give an example. If you don't have time to do it, no-one's knocking you for that, but don't make a sweeping statement which you can't back up, then get offended when someone points our you're wrong![/p][/quote]Sorry Swindon1984 in wasting your very valuable time by responding to something that had nothing to do with you.. BUT THAT'S YOUR OPINION.. Sorry sir no more winding up LR and no more tapping numbers just to get a response..sorry london I am so so sorry if people have taken it the wrong way.. I will now be a reformed person and spend more time on this site wasting my life away..[/p][/quote]Oh dear... I'm sorry but if you comment publicly anyone can comment back, so the "nothing to do with you" thing is a nonsense. If you really don't want your words to reach anyone else, don't voice them in public. If you do, expect people to comment in return and if you can, try and be an adult about it - sarcasm's the lowest form of wit. Swindon1984
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11:03pm Fri 25 Jul 14

dazzastfc says...

Swindon1984 wrote:
dazzastfc wrote:
Swindon1984 wrote:
dazzastfc wrote:
London Red wrote:
dazzastfc wrote:
London Red wrote:
dazzastfc wrote:
MidlandRobin wrote:
London Red wrote:
MidlandRobin wrote:
London Red wrote: Cooper and Power have both said we are looking at 4 loans - 2 CBs, 1 LB and 1 CF . I would therefore, think this has no impact on Stephens as that still leaves another CB . I would have thought as some have suggested that this could be a "trial" to see if he has enough about thim to extend for the year - maybe as an alternative to the other initial CB lined up as they were all meant to be Premiership - which Derby are not . As for filling our squad or borrowing a team is 4 really doing that? . That is only a tiny percentage of our squad comapred to our own players! . 19 Full time Pros (ex Ward and Harley), 2 Scholars and potentially 3 or 4 loanees to make a squad of 25 - so that is over 75% Perm STFC players and about 85% if Scholars included - pretty much an STFC squad if you ask me! . First team too is likely to be 8 or 9 STFC players - so again 75-80% . Squad Foderingham - STFC Belford - STFC N.Thompson - STFC Barthram - STFC Byrne - STFC Jones - STFC Branco - STFC Antonio - STFC De Costa - STFC Luongo - STFC L.Thompson - STFC Kasim - STFC Rodgers - STFC Gladwin - STFC Tijane - STFC Williams - STFC Smith - STFC Barker - STFC Waldon - STFC -------------------- ------------ Randell - STFC Scholar Marshall - STFC Scholar -------------------- ------------ Lelan - Loan Stephens (?) - Loan Smith (?) - Loan A.Other (?) - Loan
Where's the essential experience for this division? When the heads drop away from home as they did last season too often. Who's going to be there to pick them up? Cooper is no inspiration when the going gets tough. You only have to watch him in the dugout, or listen to him on the radio or watch a post match interview. There's nothing there. Is Cooper scared of signing experienced players? Too much of a threat to his authority? Hope I'm really wrong, but we could potentially be bottom four come Christmas if nothing is done. GOOD SOLID EXPERIENCED signings need to be made before the season starts.
Where were the "GOOD SOLID EXPERIENCED" players when we ended the season with our best run in over 25 years - including beating Brentford, Sheff U and Preston????? . It was the likes of Louis Thompson who shone in those games! . Who was in charge of that run? . Thats right it was Cooper and his change in system and formation! . . We had this relegation fodder spiel all last year and we were never once in danger of relegation . Wes, N.Thompson, Byrne, Luongo, L.Thompson, Kasim, Smith and Williams are the spine of our squad and all have expereince in L1 and as they are all now more experienced than last year - I'm more certain than last year we will be top half!
We shall see... You are entitled to your opinion, as am I. In my view playing one season in division one at most in some cases is not sufficient experience to be particularly confident about next season. Towards the end of last season, Cooper got lucky - Troy regained his fitness, McEveley played LB and we were fortunate to have the best young player of last season in Stephens. And without the back four including those 3 and Nathan, we would have seen a continuation of that dire 12 match run, when we were terrible. And Cooper resorted to infamous 4-6-0. And where are the goals going to come from, especially away from home. Williams, Barker and Smith what more need I say? Money constraints accepted, we should follow the example set by Brentford last season - strengthen the squad with experienced players and let the younger lads play around them.
London Red you plank WE LOST ARE LAST 2 GAMES scoring 1 goal and conceding 4... Well said midlandrobin spot on
I'm the plank? We may have lost OUR last 2 games but what about the great run before that - you know the best for over 25 years? . You are exactly the minority Cooper was referring about - focus only on the downside! . We could lose 2 go unbeaten for 42 and then lose 2 and it will only be the 4 defeats you bleat on about again and again!
WHAT ABOUT THE 16 GAMES BEFORE THAT..You no the one were we never won a game !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!.NO THOUGHT NOT Are worse run in 29 years. You are exactly the minority Cooper was referring about - focus only on the downside!.. I DONT CARE WHAT THAT OTHER PLANK THINKS.. Sorry if you fell that way london BUT i do really want to be positive but looking at what we have in are squad TO ME it is very very hard to see the positive side PS Look at the minority of planks that on on this site
You really need to actually do some research before making a complete tw@t of yourself!! . OUR worse run for 29 years - where we failed to win for 16 games???? . Ok the winless run was 7 - granted not great but isn't anywhere near as bad as you make it out to be . Also what about 2010/11?????? . You know where we went 18 - yes EIGHTEEN GAMES - without a win! . Which was followed up with another 4 after a rare win at Brentford making in 1 win 23! . Now that is a poor run and that was under a vastly experienced manager with a squad full of vastly experienced players!
I just love winding you up as you think you no everything about STFC.. I dont have time to research as you put it...I work. As Brentford steve was spot on about you.. Nice block but never wrong.. I get it you love what is happening at STFC as you can see use being a c/ship club with power and cooper at the helm,BUT then again you thought the same under Fitton @ Malpas,,,lots of laughs LR please spot snapping all the time its only banter
Interesting comment - don't have time to do research (fair enough) but still happy to quote opinion as fact. Then take offense when someone points out you're wrong and can back up why. It's basically saying "I know exactly what's going on - I don't have the time or the inclination to really find out, but I've made my mind up anyway." Notice London Red comes in for a lot of stick by trying to back up his point with facts, and I'm always amazed how people can get so annoyed by it. If you're expressing an opinion on a player or a match or whatever, that's subjective, people can view things differently. But if you're saying something like "it was our wirst run in 29 years," you first have to qualify in what terms (games without a win, consecutive defeats, least points accumulated or most goals conceded over a season etc etc) and then give an example. If you don't have time to do it, no-one's knocking you for that, but don't make a sweeping statement which you can't back up, then get offended when someone points our you're wrong!
Sorry Swindon1984 in wasting your very valuable time by responding to something that had nothing to do with you.. BUT THAT'S YOUR OPINION.. Sorry sir no more winding up LR and no more tapping numbers just to get a response..sorry london I am so so sorry if people have taken it the wrong way.. I will now be a reformed person and spend more time on this site wasting my life away..
Oh dear... I'm sorry but if you comment publicly anyone can comment back, so the "nothing to do with you" thing is a nonsense. If you really don't want your words to reach anyone else, don't voice them in public. If you do, expect people to comment in return and if you can, try and be an adult about it - sarcasm's the lowest form of wit.
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[quote][p][bold]Swindon1984[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]dazzastfc[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Swindon1984[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]dazzastfc[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]London Red[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]dazzastfc[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]London Red[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]dazzastfc[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]MidlandRobin[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]London Red[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]MidlandRobin[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]London Red[/bold] wrote: Cooper and Power have both said we are looking at 4 loans - 2 CBs, 1 LB and 1 CF . I would therefore, think this has no impact on Stephens as that still leaves another CB . I would have thought as some have suggested that this could be a "trial" to see if he has enough about thim to extend for the year - maybe as an alternative to the other initial CB lined up as they were all meant to be Premiership - which Derby are not . As for filling our squad or borrowing a team is 4 really doing that? . That is only a tiny percentage of our squad comapred to our own players! . 19 Full time Pros (ex Ward and Harley), 2 Scholars and potentially 3 or 4 loanees to make a squad of 25 - so that is over 75% Perm STFC players and about 85% if Scholars included - pretty much an STFC squad if you ask me! . First team too is likely to be 8 or 9 STFC players - so again 75-80% . Squad Foderingham - STFC Belford - STFC N.Thompson - STFC Barthram - STFC Byrne - STFC Jones - STFC Branco - STFC Antonio - STFC De Costa - STFC Luongo - STFC L.Thompson - STFC Kasim - STFC Rodgers - STFC Gladwin - STFC Tijane - STFC Williams - STFC Smith - STFC Barker - STFC Waldon - STFC -------------------- ------------ Randell - STFC Scholar Marshall - STFC Scholar -------------------- ------------ Lelan - Loan Stephens (?) - Loan Smith (?) - Loan A.Other (?) - Loan[/p][/quote]Where's the essential experience for this division? When the heads drop away from home as they did last season too often. Who's going to be there to pick them up? Cooper is no inspiration when the going gets tough. You only have to watch him in the dugout, or listen to him on the radio or watch a post match interview. There's nothing there. Is Cooper scared of signing experienced players? Too much of a threat to his authority? Hope I'm really wrong, but we could potentially be bottom four come Christmas if nothing is done. GOOD SOLID EXPERIENCED signings need to be made before the season starts.[/p][/quote]Where were the "GOOD SOLID EXPERIENCED" players when we ended the season with our best run in over 25 years - including beating Brentford, Sheff U and Preston????? . It was the likes of Louis Thompson who shone in those games! . Who was in charge of that run? . Thats right it was Cooper and his change in system and formation! . . We had this relegation fodder spiel all last year and we were never once in danger of relegation . Wes, N.Thompson, Byrne, Luongo, L.Thompson, Kasim, Smith and Williams are the spine of our squad and all have expereince in L1 and as they are all now more experienced than last year - I'm more certain than last year we will be top half![/p][/quote]We shall see... You are entitled to your opinion, as am I. In my view playing one season in division one at most in some cases is not sufficient experience to be particularly confident about next season. Towards the end of last season, Cooper got lucky - Troy regained his fitness, McEveley played LB and we were fortunate to have the best young player of last season in Stephens. And without the back four including those 3 and Nathan, we would have seen a continuation of that dire 12 match run, when we were terrible. And Cooper resorted to infamous 4-6-0. And where are the goals going to come from, especially away from home. Williams, Barker and Smith what more need I say? Money constraints accepted, we should follow the example set by Brentford last season - strengthen the squad with experienced players and let the younger lads play around them.[/p][/quote]London Red you plank WE LOST ARE LAST 2 GAMES scoring 1 goal and conceding 4... Well said midlandrobin spot on[/p][/quote]I'm the plank? We may have lost OUR last 2 games but what about the great run before that - you know the best for over 25 years? . You are exactly the minority Cooper was referring about - focus only on the downside! . We could lose 2 go unbeaten for 42 and then lose 2 and it will only be the 4 defeats you bleat on about again and again![/p][/quote]WHAT ABOUT THE 16 GAMES BEFORE THAT..You no the one were we never won a game !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!.NO THOUGHT NOT Are worse run in 29 years. You are exactly the minority Cooper was referring about - focus only on the downside!.. I DONT CARE WHAT THAT OTHER PLANK THINKS.. Sorry if you fell that way london BUT i do really want to be positive but looking at what we have in are squad TO ME it is very very hard to see the positive side PS Look at the minority of planks that on on this site[/p][/quote]You really need to actually do some research before making a complete tw@t of yourself!! . OUR worse run for 29 years - where we failed to win for 16 games???? . Ok the winless run was 7 - granted not great but isn't anywhere near as bad as you make it out to be . Also what about 2010/11?????? . You know where we went 18 - yes EIGHTEEN GAMES - without a win! . Which was followed up with another 4 after a rare win at Brentford making in 1 win 23! . Now that is a poor run and that was under a vastly experienced manager with a squad full of vastly experienced players![/p][/quote]I just love winding you up as you think you no everything about STFC.. I dont have time to research as you put it...I work. As Brentford steve was spot on about you.. Nice block but never wrong.. I get it you love what is happening at STFC as you can see use being a c/ship club with power and cooper at the helm,BUT then again you thought the same under Fitton @ Malpas,,,lots of laughs LR please spot snapping all the time its only banter[/p][/quote]Interesting comment - don't have time to do research (fair enough) but still happy to quote opinion as fact. Then take offense when someone points out you're wrong and can back up why. It's basically saying "I know exactly what's going on - I don't have the time or the inclination to really find out, but I've made my mind up anyway." Notice London Red comes in for a lot of stick by trying to back up his point with facts, and I'm always amazed how people can get so annoyed by it. If you're expressing an opinion on a player or a match or whatever, that's subjective, people can view things differently. But if you're saying something like "it was our wirst run in 29 years," you first have to qualify in what terms (games without a win, consecutive defeats, least points accumulated or most goals conceded over a season etc etc) and then give an example. If you don't have time to do it, no-one's knocking you for that, but don't make a sweeping statement which you can't back up, then get offended when someone points our you're wrong![/p][/quote]Sorry Swindon1984 in wasting your very valuable time by responding to something that had nothing to do with you.. BUT THAT'S YOUR OPINION.. Sorry sir no more winding up LR and no more tapping numbers just to get a response..sorry london I am so so sorry if people have taken it the wrong way.. I will now be a reformed person and spend more time on this site wasting my life away..[/p][/quote]Oh dear... I'm sorry but if you comment publicly anyone can comment back, so the "nothing to do with you" thing is a nonsense. If you really don't want your words to reach anyone else, don't voice them in public. If you do, expect people to comment in return and if you can, try and be an adult about it - sarcasm's the lowest form of wit.[/p][/quote]xxxxxxxxxxxx dazzastfc
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