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9:30am Thu 5 Jun 14

umpcah says...

That`s interesting news but I would rather know just who owns STFC !
That`s interesting news but I would rather know just who owns STFC ! umpcah
  • Score: 3

9:47am Thu 5 Jun 14

port de soller says...

Yes not heard a thing other than the new Court date(however sounded as if Jed´s crew were not happy with it)
I appreciate nothing can be disclosed untel the court decides,just amazed hoe STFC Fans have been told very little about what actually happened when LP took control.
At the end of the day he has invested whereas Jed has taken money out(I believe this however is that true???)
Guess the Truth will unfold eventually but is a sad situation when Fans have paid in hard earned money for season tickets when the situation at STFC looks IFFY
Yes not heard a thing other than the new Court date(however sounded as if Jed´s crew were not happy with it) I appreciate nothing can be disclosed untel the court decides,just amazed hoe STFC Fans have been told very little about what actually happened when LP took control. At the end of the day he has invested whereas Jed has taken money out(I believe this however is that true???) Guess the Truth will unfold eventually but is a sad situation when Fans have paid in hard earned money for season tickets when the situation at STFC looks IFFY port de soller
  • Score: -4

9:55am Thu 5 Jun 14

swindonjason says...

I wonder if this fixture is to coincide with an extended loan deal for Stephens?

If so, then that is good news for the season ahead
I wonder if this fixture is to coincide with an extended loan deal for Stephens? If so, then that is good news for the season ahead swindonjason
  • Score: 14

10:05am Thu 5 Jun 14

Graham8181 says...

good stuff - my bro is a saints season ticket holder. Fun evening in store then. Hopefully this is also to show saints what a decent club we are to get some potential players from them in the future - most importantly Stephens !!
good stuff - my bro is a saints season ticket holder. Fun evening in store then. Hopefully this is also to show saints what a decent club we are to get some potential players from them in the future - most importantly Stephens !! Graham8181
  • Score: 4

10:36am Thu 5 Jun 14

the wizard says...

swindonjason wrote:
I wonder if this fixture is to coincide with an extended loan deal for Stephens?

If so, then that is good news for the season ahead
Quite agree, it would be great if we could get Stevens back here as we are a lot more solid with him at the back. I don't particularly like loans , but right now with our cash situation, where the devil drives the needs must.

Soton have done well as a club despite setbacks over the last few years, and it will be great to play them, hopefully bringing in a decent gate.
[quote][p][bold]swindonjason[/bold] wrote: I wonder if this fixture is to coincide with an extended loan deal for Stephens? If so, then that is good news for the season ahead[/p][/quote]Quite agree, it would be great if we could get Stevens back here as we are a lot more solid with him at the back. I don't particularly like loans , but right now with our cash situation, where the devil drives the needs must. Soton have done well as a club despite setbacks over the last few years, and it will be great to play them, hopefully bringing in a decent gate. the wizard
  • Score: 8

10:58am Thu 5 Jun 14

1983 says...

port de soller wrote:
Yes not heard a thing other than the new Court date(however sounded as if Jed´s crew were not happy with it)
I appreciate nothing can be disclosed untel the court decides,just amazed hoe STFC Fans have been told very little about what actually happened when LP took control.
At the end of the day he has invested whereas Jed has taken money out(I believe this however is that true???)
Guess the Truth will unfold eventually but is a sad situation when Fans have paid in hard earned money for season tickets when the situation at STFC looks IFFY
There is an ongoing court case, what do you expect?

However, it seems likely to me and I'm surprised I've not seen any other similar suggestion that Jed and his lot have brought this to court because Power's was looking to sue them for misrepresenting what he was buying.

If they can show somehow that they still own the club then he can't sue them!
[quote][p][bold]port de soller[/bold] wrote: Yes not heard a thing other than the new Court date(however sounded as if Jed´s crew were not happy with it) I appreciate nothing can be disclosed untel the court decides,just amazed hoe STFC Fans have been told very little about what actually happened when LP took control. At the end of the day he has invested whereas Jed has taken money out(I believe this however is that true???) Guess the Truth will unfold eventually but is a sad situation when Fans have paid in hard earned money for season tickets when the situation at STFC looks IFFY[/p][/quote]There is an ongoing court case, what do you expect? However, it seems likely to me and I'm surprised I've not seen any other similar suggestion that Jed and his lot have brought this to court because Power's was looking to sue them for misrepresenting what he was buying. If they can show somehow that they still own the club then he can't sue them! 1983
  • Score: -2

12:09pm Thu 5 Jun 14

MidlandRobin says...

This sounds like we have a solid relationship with Southampton now. I hope this opens the door for Stephens to come back for another loan spell!
This sounds like we have a solid relationship with Southampton now. I hope this opens the door for Stephens to come back for another loan spell! MidlandRobin
  • Score: 8

12:10pm Thu 5 Jun 14

Next Tuesday says...

That's all we need - another game to chop up the already shabby County Ground surface.

I'm all in favour of playing against top flight opposition in pre-season but we really should see if we can get this one switched to The Dell.
That's all we need - another game to chop up the already shabby County Ground surface. I'm all in favour of playing against top flight opposition in pre-season but we really should see if we can get this one switched to The Dell. Next Tuesday
  • Score: -34

12:14pm Thu 5 Jun 14

Graham8181 says...

Next Tuesday wrote:
That's all we need - another game to chop up the already shabby County Ground surface.

I'm all in favour of playing against top flight opposition in pre-season but we really should see if we can get this one switched to The Dell.
....or St Marys maybe ;)
[quote][p][bold]Next Tuesday[/bold] wrote: That's all we need - another game to chop up the already shabby County Ground surface. I'm all in favour of playing against top flight opposition in pre-season but we really should see if we can get this one switched to The Dell.[/p][/quote]....or St Marys maybe ;) Graham8181
  • Score: 19

12:14pm Thu 5 Jun 14

themoonraker says...

MidlandRobin wrote:
This sounds like we have a solid relationship with Southampton now. I hope this opens the door for Stephens to come back for another loan spell!
I fear that we might be living more in hope that expectation here.
With their manager and a number of players leaving (or wanting to leave), it may well be that he is either playing or bench warming for the saints next season?
Hopefully things will sort themselfs out at St Mary's and we can get him back for next season, because IMO the lad is rather good!
[quote][p][bold]MidlandRobin[/bold] wrote: This sounds like we have a solid relationship with Southampton now. I hope this opens the door for Stephens to come back for another loan spell![/p][/quote]I fear that we might be living more in hope that expectation here. With their manager and a number of players leaving (or wanting to leave), it may well be that he is either playing or bench warming for the saints next season? Hopefully things will sort themselfs out at St Mary's and we can get him back for next season, because IMO the lad is rather good! themoonraker
  • Score: 0

12:39pm Thu 5 Jun 14

Swindon1984 says...

Shame it's not away, would be a far easier trip for me!

As for Stephens, looked really good for us, very composed on the ball and a solid defender, would like him back but think we'll struggle to get him.
Shame it's not away, would be a far easier trip for me! As for Stephens, looked really good for us, very composed on the ball and a solid defender, would like him back but think we'll struggle to get him. Swindon1984
  • Score: 1

1:03pm Thu 5 Jun 14

Vintage Trouble says...

Graham8181 wrote:
Next Tuesday wrote: That's all we need - another game to chop up the already shabby County Ground surface. I'm all in favour of playing against top flight opposition in pre-season but we really should see if we can get this one switched to The Dell.
....or St Marys maybe ;)
Don't, just don't.
[quote][p][bold]Graham8181[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Next Tuesday[/bold] wrote: That's all we need - another game to chop up the already shabby County Ground surface. I'm all in favour of playing against top flight opposition in pre-season but we really should see if we can get this one switched to The Dell.[/p][/quote]....or St Marys maybe ;)[/p][/quote]Don't, just don't. Vintage Trouble
  • Score: 0

1:39pm Thu 5 Jun 14

old town robin says...

Next Tuesday wrote:
That's all we need - another game to chop up the already shabby County Ground surface.

I'm all in favour of playing against top flight opposition in pre-season but we really should see if we can get this one switched to The Dell.
comments sound a little bit similar to what we might hear from Grim, Is it another alias? Joey Buler eill be watching you. Lol
[quote][p][bold]Next Tuesday[/bold] wrote: That's all we need - another game to chop up the already shabby County Ground surface. I'm all in favour of playing against top flight opposition in pre-season but we really should see if we can get this one switched to The Dell.[/p][/quote]comments sound a little bit similar to what we might hear from Grim, Is it another alias? Joey Buler eill be watching you. Lol old town robin
  • Score: 6

1:42pm Thu 5 Jun 14

old town robin says...

I would not be surprised if Tim Sherwood might be in line to take over the Saints, although there have been the likes of De Boer mentioned, I hope Tim gets the job
I would not be surprised if Tim Sherwood might be in line to take over the Saints, although there have been the likes of De Boer mentioned, I hope Tim gets the job old town robin
  • Score: 0

2:37pm Thu 5 Jun 14

Oi Den! says...

How quickly things change. It's not that long ago we were showing Southampton a clean pair of heels. What might have been...
How quickly things change. It's not that long ago we were showing Southampton a clean pair of heels. What might have been... Oi Den!
  • Score: 4

7:15pm Thu 5 Jun 14

Fernham Red says...

top draw
top draw Fernham Red
  • Score: 1

11:27pm Thu 5 Jun 14

old town robin says...

They are also playing B'muff and Brighton, could have been a nice rouind robin if we took them two on as well.
They are also playing B'muff and Brighton, could have been a nice rouind robin if we took them two on as well. old town robin
  • Score: 1

9:47am Fri 6 Jun 14

dreamofacleansheet2 says...

When will people realise "next tuesday" is just that. See you next tuesday. Just ignore it, don't mark it, or reply to it. Guess would be Oxford troll but hasn't had anything positive to say ever.

Definitely not grim either as whilst his views can be extreme they are generally based on his opinion of our football. there's never been any suggestion that he's attacked our pitch.

Personally I'd love Stephens back and hopefully when Pritchard gets sold for a lot of money that will encourage other teams to send us decent players for us to develop and get us out if this league next year.
When will people realise "next tuesday" is just that. See you next tuesday. Just ignore it, don't mark it, or reply to it. Guess would be Oxford troll but hasn't had anything positive to say ever. Definitely not grim either as whilst his views can be extreme they are generally based on his opinion of our football. there's never been any suggestion that he's attacked our pitch. Personally I'd love Stephens back and hopefully when Pritchard gets sold for a lot of money that will encourage other teams to send us decent players for us to develop and get us out if this league next year. dreamofacleansheet2
  • Score: 0

9:59am Fri 6 Jun 14

Glosteroldboy says...

On a completely different tangent - Message for Rebel Phish - Are the prediction league results completed as of yet and are you still considering putting together a predictions league for the World Cup?

Cheers ..
On a completely different tangent - Message for Rebel Phish - Are the prediction league results completed as of yet and are you still considering putting together a predictions league for the World Cup? Cheers .. Glosteroldboy
  • Score: 0

7:23pm Fri 6 Jun 14

London Red says...

I see the "useless" Grant Hall has been signed up by CHAMPIONSHIP Birmingham on loan for next season!
I see the "useless" Grant Hall has been signed up by CHAMPIONSHIP Birmingham on loan for next season! London Red
  • Score: 5

10:24pm Fri 6 Jun 14

Oi Den! says...

London Red wrote:
I see the "useless" Grant Hall has been signed up by CHAMPIONSHIP Birmingham on loan for next season!
And what does that prove?
[quote][p][bold]London Red[/bold] wrote: I see the "useless" Grant Hall has been signed up by CHAMPIONSHIP Birmingham on loan for next season![/p][/quote]And what does that prove? Oi Den!
  • Score: -2

10:49pm Fri 6 Jun 14

mancrobin says...

Oi Den! wrote:
How quickly things change. It's not that long ago we were showing Southampton a clean pair of heels. What might have been...
Not sure what point you're making here Den. Southampton have always been the bigger club. Average gates of 30000 plus? We'd be doing well now to show em a clean pair of heels.

One thing we can learn from them is their academy set up.
[quote][p][bold]Oi Den![/bold] wrote: How quickly things change. It's not that long ago we were showing Southampton a clean pair of heels. What might have been...[/p][/quote]Not sure what point you're making here Den. Southampton have always been the bigger club. Average gates of 30000 plus? We'd be doing well now to show em a clean pair of heels. One thing we can learn from them is their academy set up. mancrobin
  • Score: 1

7:32am Sat 7 Jun 14

Chish and Fips says...

Oi Den! wrote:
London Red wrote:
I see the "useless" Grant Hall has been signed up by CHAMPIONSHIP Birmingham on loan for next season!
And what does that prove?
Nothing yet .... but as suggested lets see how he fairs in the Championship.
[quote][p][bold]Oi Den![/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]London Red[/bold] wrote: I see the "useless" Grant Hall has been signed up by CHAMPIONSHIP Birmingham on loan for next season![/p][/quote]And what does that prove?[/p][/quote]Nothing yet .... but as suggested lets see how he fairs in the Championship. Chish and Fips
  • Score: 0

7:41am Sat 7 Jun 14

London Red says...

Chish and Fips wrote:
Oi Den! wrote:
London Red wrote:
I see the "useless" Grant Hall has been signed up by CHAMPIONSHIP Birmingham on loan for next season!
And what does that prove?
Nothing yet .... but as suggested lets see how he fairs in the Championship.
Exactly - he can't be as bad as some think he is if a club from a higher division have seen enough to snap him up early
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I thought he got a lot of unwarranted stick and was made a scape goat far too quickly
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Yes before it is said Jack Stephens looks like a better player - but that doesn't mean Hall couldn't have been great for us if he had the chance to play with Troy and/or Stephens
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I would have liked us to do a Byrne or Luongo with him - but obviously that won't happen now
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As Chish says lets see how he fairs and see if he is still "useless" like some on here think he is
[quote][p][bold]Chish and Fips[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Oi Den![/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]London Red[/bold] wrote: I see the "useless" Grant Hall has been signed up by CHAMPIONSHIP Birmingham on loan for next season![/p][/quote]And what does that prove?[/p][/quote]Nothing yet .... but as suggested lets see how he fairs in the Championship.[/p][/quote]Exactly - he can't be as bad as some think he is if a club from a higher division have seen enough to snap him up early . I thought he got a lot of unwarranted stick and was made a scape goat far too quickly . Yes before it is said Jack Stephens looks like a better player - but that doesn't mean Hall couldn't have been great for us if he had the chance to play with Troy and/or Stephens . I would have liked us to do a Byrne or Luongo with him - but obviously that won't happen now . As Chish says lets see how he fairs and see if he is still "useless" like some on here think he is London Red
  • Score: 3

7:47am Sat 7 Jun 14

jayden says...

Big news coming if Lee gets rid of Jed . A man with money is about to take over. This is why Jed is sniffing around. Make of this as you please I thought I would share this with you. END .
Big news coming if Lee gets rid of Jed . A man with money is about to take over. This is why Jed is sniffing around. Make of this as you please I thought I would share this with you. END . jayden
  • Score: 4

7:48am Sat 7 Jun 14

Oi Den! says...

mancrobin wrote:
Oi Den! wrote:
How quickly things change. It's not that long ago we were showing Southampton a clean pair of heels. What might have been...
Not sure what point you're making here Den. Southampton have always been the bigger club. Average gates of 30000 plus? We'd be doing well now to show em a clean pair of heels.

One thing we can learn from them is their academy set up.
So, what is the better indicator - the games we saw Hall play for us or the fact that a club in the second tier has chosen to take him on loan?
[quote][p][bold]mancrobin[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Oi Den![/bold] wrote: How quickly things change. It's not that long ago we were showing Southampton a clean pair of heels. What might have been...[/p][/quote]Not sure what point you're making here Den. Southampton have always been the bigger club. Average gates of 30000 plus? We'd be doing well now to show em a clean pair of heels. One thing we can learn from them is their academy set up.[/p][/quote]So, what is the better indicator - the games we saw Hall play for us or the fact that a club in the second tier has chosen to take him on loan? Oi Den!
  • Score: 0

7:49am Sat 7 Jun 14

London Red says...

mancrobin wrote:
Oi Den! wrote:
How quickly things change. It's not that long ago we were showing Southampton a clean pair of heels. What might have been...
Not sure what point you're making here Den. Southampton have always been the bigger club. Average gates of 30000 plus? We'd be doing well now to show em a clean pair of heels.

One thing we can learn from them is their academy set up.
I also wouldn't say a couple of 1-0 wins were a clean set of heels either!
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Wasn't it Southampton that finally put the nail in Wilson's coffin with a thumping 4-0 win - that's more like a clean set of heels!
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Lets not forget only a few years back Man City were in L1 and only managed to get out via the POs - some teams then would have "shown them a clean set of heels" - hardly a case of what could have been for Gills v Man City!
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As Manc says Saints have always a bigger club and when in L1 were in their new stadium and spending £1m on Lambert among others - so were only ever going to be a temporary fixture in L1
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While we might have matched them on the pitch one year we were/are never going to match them off it!
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It's like Wolves - they were/are always bigger than us even if we were in L1 together!
[quote][p][bold]mancrobin[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Oi Den![/bold] wrote: How quickly things change. It's not that long ago we were showing Southampton a clean pair of heels. What might have been...[/p][/quote]Not sure what point you're making here Den. Southampton have always been the bigger club. Average gates of 30000 plus? We'd be doing well now to show em a clean pair of heels. One thing we can learn from them is their academy set up.[/p][/quote]I also wouldn't say a couple of 1-0 wins were a clean set of heels either! . Wasn't it Southampton that finally put the nail in Wilson's coffin with a thumping 4-0 win - that's more like a clean set of heels! . Lets not forget only a few years back Man City were in L1 and only managed to get out via the POs - some teams then would have "shown them a clean set of heels" - hardly a case of what could have been for Gills v Man City! . As Manc says Saints have always a bigger club and when in L1 were in their new stadium and spending £1m on Lambert among others - so were only ever going to be a temporary fixture in L1 . While we might have matched them on the pitch one year we were/are never going to match them off it! . It's like Wolves - they were/are always bigger than us even if we were in L1 together! London Red
  • Score: 0

7:50am Sat 7 Jun 14

Oi Den! says...

Sorry, replied to wrong post!
Sorry, replied to wrong post! Oi Den!
  • Score: 0

7:55am Sat 7 Jun 14

London Red says...

Oi Den! wrote:
mancrobin wrote:
Oi Den! wrote:
How quickly things change. It's not that long ago we were showing Southampton a clean pair of heels. What might have been...
Not sure what point you're making here Den. Southampton have always been the bigger club. Average gates of 30000 plus? We'd be doing well now to show em a clean pair of heels.

One thing we can learn from them is their academy set up.
So, what is the better indicator - the games we saw Hall play for us or the fact that a club in the second tier has chosen to take him on loan?
He had some excellent games for us like MOTM against Premiership bound QPR - with Austin, Johnson and Zamora all featuring!
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People forget to quickly the positives when they dislike a player on here!
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Yes he has some bad games and made some errors - but what young players don't?
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But to answer your question I think the actions of clubs in higher divisions is an excellent indicator of how a player is perceived within in the game!
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Should Wigan snap up Pritchard - doesn't that also state football thinks he is better than L1 level?
[quote][p][bold]Oi Den![/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mancrobin[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Oi Den![/bold] wrote: How quickly things change. It's not that long ago we were showing Southampton a clean pair of heels. What might have been...[/p][/quote]Not sure what point you're making here Den. Southampton have always been the bigger club. Average gates of 30000 plus? We'd be doing well now to show em a clean pair of heels. One thing we can learn from them is their academy set up.[/p][/quote]So, what is the better indicator - the games we saw Hall play for us or the fact that a club in the second tier has chosen to take him on loan?[/p][/quote]He had some excellent games for us like MOTM against Premiership bound QPR - with Austin, Johnson and Zamora all featuring! . People forget to quickly the positives when they dislike a player on here! . Yes he has some bad games and made some errors - but what young players don't? . But to answer your question I think the actions of clubs in higher divisions is an excellent indicator of how a player is perceived within in the game! . Should Wigan snap up Pritchard - doesn't that also state football thinks he is better than L1 level? London Red
  • Score: 2

8:02am Sat 7 Jun 14

Oi Den! says...

manc and LR, my point about Southampton was not so much a comparison between the 2 clubs but more of a comment on our uncanny knack of failing to seize opportunities. We've seen it so many times. Wilson snatched utter shambles from the jaws of glory. Then Di Canio comes along and kills the goose that laid the golden egg. Perhaps that's just the way it has to be with us.
manc and LR, my point about Southampton was not so much a comparison between the 2 clubs but more of a comment on our uncanny knack of failing to seize opportunities. We've seen it so many times. Wilson snatched utter shambles from the jaws of glory. Then Di Canio comes along and kills the goose that laid the golden egg. Perhaps that's just the way it has to be with us. Oi Den!
  • Score: -1

8:10am Sat 7 Jun 14

Oi Den! says...

London Red wrote:
Oi Den! wrote:
mancrobin wrote:
Oi Den! wrote:
How quickly things change. It's not that long ago we were showing Southampton a clean pair of heels. What might have been...
Not sure what point you're making here Den. Southampton have always been the bigger club. Average gates of 30000 plus? We'd be doing well now to show em a clean pair of heels.

One thing we can learn from them is their academy set up.
So, what is the better indicator - the games we saw Hall play for us or the fact that a club in the second tier has chosen to take him on loan?
He had some excellent games for us like MOTM against Premiership bound QPR - with Austin, Johnson and Zamora all featuring!
.
People forget to quickly the positives when they dislike a player on here!
.
Yes he has some bad games and made some errors - but what young players don't?
.
But to answer your question I think the actions of clubs in higher divisions is an excellent indicator of how a player is perceived within in the game!
.
Should Wigan snap up Pritchard - doesn't that also state football thinks he is better than L1 level?
If Hall plays well for Birmingham it will justify your faith in him and I will gladly eat humble pie. Meanwhile, the fact that that they are taking a look at him on loan proves nothing at all. Pritchard is a completely different case. There's a widespread view that he's better than our level.
[quote][p][bold]London Red[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Oi Den![/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mancrobin[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Oi Den![/bold] wrote: How quickly things change. It's not that long ago we were showing Southampton a clean pair of heels. What might have been...[/p][/quote]Not sure what point you're making here Den. Southampton have always been the bigger club. Average gates of 30000 plus? We'd be doing well now to show em a clean pair of heels. One thing we can learn from them is their academy set up.[/p][/quote]So, what is the better indicator - the games we saw Hall play for us or the fact that a club in the second tier has chosen to take him on loan?[/p][/quote]He had some excellent games for us like MOTM against Premiership bound QPR - with Austin, Johnson and Zamora all featuring! . People forget to quickly the positives when they dislike a player on here! . Yes he has some bad games and made some errors - but what young players don't? . But to answer your question I think the actions of clubs in higher divisions is an excellent indicator of how a player is perceived within in the game! . Should Wigan snap up Pritchard - doesn't that also state football thinks he is better than L1 level?[/p][/quote]If Hall plays well for Birmingham it will justify your faith in him and I will gladly eat humble pie. Meanwhile, the fact that that they are taking a look at him on loan proves nothing at all. Pritchard is a completely different case. There's a widespread view that he's better than our level. Oi Den!
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8:29am Sat 7 Jun 14

London Red says...

Oi Den! wrote:
London Red wrote:
Oi Den! wrote:
mancrobin wrote:
Oi Den! wrote:
How quickly things change. It's not that long ago we were showing Southampton a clean pair of heels. What might have been...
Not sure what point you're making here Den. Southampton have always been the bigger club. Average gates of 30000 plus? We'd be doing well now to show em a clean pair of heels.

One thing we can learn from them is their academy set up.
So, what is the better indicator - the games we saw Hall play for us or the fact that a club in the second tier has chosen to take him on loan?
He had some excellent games for us like MOTM against Premiership bound QPR - with Austin, Johnson and Zamora all featuring!
.
People forget to quickly the positives when they dislike a player on here!
.
Yes he has some bad games and made some errors - but what young players don't?
.
But to answer your question I think the actions of clubs in higher divisions is an excellent indicator of how a player is perceived within in the game!
.
Should Wigan snap up Pritchard - doesn't that also state football thinks he is better than L1 level?
If Hall plays well for Birmingham it will justify your faith in him and I will gladly eat humble pie. Meanwhile, the fact that that they are taking a look at him on loan proves nothing at all. Pritchard is a completely different case. There's a widespread view that he's better than our level.
Soccerbase is an excellent site for player details - a quick look on that showed:
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Hall played 34 games overall. We won 16 of them (47%) kept 9 clean sheets (26%) and conceded 44 (1.29 per game)
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In the League he played 29. We won 12 (42%) kept 7 clean sheets (24%) and conceded 35 (1.21)
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Therefore, taking the final league table and clean sheet total for us in L1 it shows without Hall we played 17 - won 8 (47%) kept 4 clean sheets (23%) and let in 24 (1.41)
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So why our win percentage went up slightly in the league (but not overall) our clean sheets went down and goals against went up!
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To me that doesn't suggest Hall was anywhere near as bad as made out to be and certainly was not the only reason goals were conceded!
[quote][p][bold]Oi Den![/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]London Red[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Oi Den![/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mancrobin[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Oi Den![/bold] wrote: How quickly things change. It's not that long ago we were showing Southampton a clean pair of heels. What might have been...[/p][/quote]Not sure what point you're making here Den. Southampton have always been the bigger club. Average gates of 30000 plus? We'd be doing well now to show em a clean pair of heels. One thing we can learn from them is their academy set up.[/p][/quote]So, what is the better indicator - the games we saw Hall play for us or the fact that a club in the second tier has chosen to take him on loan?[/p][/quote]He had some excellent games for us like MOTM against Premiership bound QPR - with Austin, Johnson and Zamora all featuring! . People forget to quickly the positives when they dislike a player on here! . Yes he has some bad games and made some errors - but what young players don't? . But to answer your question I think the actions of clubs in higher divisions is an excellent indicator of how a player is perceived within in the game! . Should Wigan snap up Pritchard - doesn't that also state football thinks he is better than L1 level?[/p][/quote]If Hall plays well for Birmingham it will justify your faith in him and I will gladly eat humble pie. Meanwhile, the fact that that they are taking a look at him on loan proves nothing at all. Pritchard is a completely different case. There's a widespread view that he's better than our level.[/p][/quote]Soccerbase is an excellent site for player details - a quick look on that showed: . Hall played 34 games overall. We won 16 of them (47%) kept 9 clean sheets (26%) and conceded 44 (1.29 per game) . In the League he played 29. We won 12 (42%) kept 7 clean sheets (24%) and conceded 35 (1.21) . Therefore, taking the final league table and clean sheet total for us in L1 it shows without Hall we played 17 - won 8 (47%) kept 4 clean sheets (23%) and let in 24 (1.41) . So why our win percentage went up slightly in the league (but not overall) our clean sheets went down and goals against went up! . To me that doesn't suggest Hall was anywhere near as bad as made out to be and certainly was not the only reason goals were conceded! London Red
  • Score: 1

8:52am Sat 7 Jun 14

Rebel_phish says...

Glosteroldboy wrote:
On a completely different tangent - Message for Rebel Phish - Are the prediction league results completed as of yet and are you still considering putting together a predictions league for the World Cup?

Cheers ..
All the End of Season results are finished and ready to post. I emailed Sam all the details on Tuesday 27th May and again on 3rd June. I am still waiting for him to put up a dedicated page so I can post the results.

As there is a lot of detail, I can not hi-jack another thread to upload the info to. I will just wait a bit longer.

As for the World Cup Predictions League - Same thing. It's all ready to go. Questions are compiled, spreadsheets are prepared, just need the punters. If I can't get a dedicated page put up Monday I will post on what ever thread is available.

Rebel
[quote][p][bold]Glosteroldboy[/bold] wrote: On a completely different tangent - Message for Rebel Phish - Are the prediction league results completed as of yet and are you still considering putting together a predictions league for the World Cup? Cheers ..[/p][/quote]All the End of Season results are finished and ready to post. I emailed Sam all the details on Tuesday 27th May and again on 3rd June. I am still waiting for him to put up a dedicated page so I can post the results. As there is a lot of detail, I can not hi-jack another thread to upload the info to. I will just wait a bit longer. As for the World Cup Predictions League - Same thing. It's all ready to go. Questions are compiled, spreadsheets are prepared, just need the punters. If I can't get a dedicated page put up Monday I will post on what ever thread is available. Rebel Rebel_phish
  • Score: 1

8:54am Sat 7 Jun 14

Oi Den! says...

You're doing it again LR - giving statistics more importance than the performances we saw for ourselves. I wish Hall all the best and I hope he succeeds with Birmingham but that doesn't change the fact that he was poor for us. And by the way, I don't think anyone is suggesting that Hall is the only reason we were a soft touch for much of last season.
You're doing it again LR - giving statistics more importance than the performances we saw for ourselves. I wish Hall all the best and I hope he succeeds with Birmingham but that doesn't change the fact that he was poor for us. And by the way, I don't think anyone is suggesting that Hall is the only reason we were a soft touch for much of last season. Oi Den!
  • Score: 0

9:01am Sat 7 Jun 14

old town robin says...

Oi Den! wrote:
London Red wrote:
Oi Den! wrote:
mancrobin wrote:
Oi Den! wrote:
How quickly things change. It's not that long ago we were showing Southampton a clean pair of heels. What might have been...
Not sure what point you're making here Den. Southampton have always been the bigger club. Average gates of 30000 plus? We'd be doing well now to show em a clean pair of heels.

One thing we can learn from them is their academy set up.
So, what is the better indicator - the games we saw Hall play for us or the fact that a club in the second tier has chosen to take him on loan?
He had some excellent games for us like MOTM against Premiership bound QPR - with Austin, Johnson and Zamora all featuring!
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People forget to quickly the positives when they dislike a player on here!
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Yes he has some bad games and made some errors - but what young players don't?
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But to answer your question I think the actions of clubs in higher divisions is an excellent indicator of how a player is perceived within in the game!
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Should Wigan snap up Pritchard - doesn't that also state football thinks he is better than L1 level?
If Hall plays well for Birmingham it will justify your faith in him and I will gladly eat humble pie. Meanwhile, the fact that that they are taking a look at him on loan proves nothing at all. Pritchard is a completely different case. There's a widespread view that he's better than our level.
Whatever ones opinion of Grant Hall, he is one year older with 30 odd L1 games under his belt which will hold him in good stead in the Championship Without doubt he is a better player now than he was when he arrived and I think we should be congratulating him for his development whilst playing for us.

With regards to some of his errors, how many of them were down to playing a new system with not too many of the team looking comfortable on the ball. with hardly enough time to sort it out with only half a team available for pre-season no surprises then. . Add to that the Ward / Hall never looked like it might be a winner, with Hall's inexperience and Ward clearly past his best it was obvious any manager worth their salt would exploit our weakness of the centre backs as was seen aka Ferguson in the first game of the season.

All in all, I would still rather have Stephens back than Hall, but wish him luck to go forward playing for lee Clarke at Brummy.
[quote][p][bold]Oi Den![/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]London Red[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Oi Den![/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mancrobin[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Oi Den![/bold] wrote: How quickly things change. It's not that long ago we were showing Southampton a clean pair of heels. What might have been...[/p][/quote]Not sure what point you're making here Den. Southampton have always been the bigger club. Average gates of 30000 plus? We'd be doing well now to show em a clean pair of heels. One thing we can learn from them is their academy set up.[/p][/quote]So, what is the better indicator - the games we saw Hall play for us or the fact that a club in the second tier has chosen to take him on loan?[/p][/quote]He had some excellent games for us like MOTM against Premiership bound QPR - with Austin, Johnson and Zamora all featuring! . People forget to quickly the positives when they dislike a player on here! . Yes he has some bad games and made some errors - but what young players don't? . But to answer your question I think the actions of clubs in higher divisions is an excellent indicator of how a player is perceived within in the game! . Should Wigan snap up Pritchard - doesn't that also state football thinks he is better than L1 level?[/p][/quote]If Hall plays well for Birmingham it will justify your faith in him and I will gladly eat humble pie. Meanwhile, the fact that that they are taking a look at him on loan proves nothing at all. Pritchard is a completely different case. There's a widespread view that he's better than our level.[/p][/quote]Whatever ones opinion of Grant Hall, he is one year older with 30 odd L1 games under his belt which will hold him in good stead in the Championship Without doubt he is a better player now than he was when he arrived and I think we should be congratulating him for his development whilst playing for us. With regards to some of his errors, how many of them were down to playing a new system with not too many of the team looking comfortable on the ball. with hardly enough time to sort it out with only half a team available for pre-season no surprises then. . Add to that the Ward / Hall never looked like it might be a winner, with Hall's inexperience and Ward clearly past his best it was obvious any manager worth their salt would exploit our weakness of the centre backs as was seen aka Ferguson in the first game of the season. All in all, I would still rather have Stephens back than Hall, but wish him luck to go forward playing for lee Clarke at Brummy. old town robin
  • Score: 1

11:27am Sat 7 Jun 14

6degreessouth says...

Simon ferry released by Portsmouth
Simon ferry released by Portsmouth 6degreessouth
  • Score: 2

12:17pm Sat 7 Jun 14

Wilesy says...

Wish Hall the best at Brum but he will need to bulk up and start winning 50/50 headers if he wants to be a centre back. Troy, Ward, Stephens win 90% of their 50/50 headers, Hall wins 30% at best (unofficial stats by the way)
Wish Hall the best at Brum but he will need to bulk up and start winning 50/50 headers if he wants to be a centre back. Troy, Ward, Stephens win 90% of their 50/50 headers, Hall wins 30% at best (unofficial stats by the way) Wilesy
  • Score: 0

2:16pm Sat 7 Jun 14

dazzastfc says...

Oi Den! wrote:
You're doing it again LR - giving statistics more importance than the performances we saw for ourselves. I wish Hall all the best and I hope he succeeds with Birmingham but that doesn't change the fact that he was poor for us. And by the way, I don't think anyone is suggesting that Hall is the only reason we were a soft touch for much of last season.
I think Hall was poor mainly because of are captain Ward...
We all said time and time again how poor slow and how he kept putting are defence under pressure as he was shocking at passing a football and losing possession ...
To me ward was the main reason for are shocking defence and giving that Hall was in a team for the first time and that made him very nervy and low on confidence...
[quote][p][bold]Oi Den![/bold] wrote: You're doing it again LR - giving statistics more importance than the performances we saw for ourselves. I wish Hall all the best and I hope he succeeds with Birmingham but that doesn't change the fact that he was poor for us. And by the way, I don't think anyone is suggesting that Hall is the only reason we were a soft touch for much of last season.[/p][/quote]I think Hall was poor mainly because of are captain Ward... We all said time and time again how poor slow and how he kept putting are defence under pressure as he was shocking at passing a football and losing possession ... To me ward was the main reason for are shocking defence and giving that Hall was in a team for the first time and that made him very nervy and low on confidence... dazzastfc
  • Score: 1

2:38pm Sat 7 Jun 14

mancrobin says...

dazzastfc wrote:
Oi Den! wrote:
You're doing it again LR - giving statistics more importance than the performances we saw for ourselves. I wish Hall all the best and I hope he succeeds with Birmingham but that doesn't change the fact that he was poor for us. And by the way, I don't think anyone is suggesting that Hall is the only reason we were a soft touch for much of last season.
I think Hall was poor mainly because of are captain Ward...
We all said time and time again how poor slow and how he kept putting are defence under pressure as he was shocking at passing a football and losing possession ...
To me ward was the main reason for are shocking defence and giving that Hall was in a team for the first time and that made him very nervy and low on confidence...
I think that is Avery good point Dazz and clearly Birmingham see something in him. Centre back and striking partnerships are crucial. He would have possibly performed a lot better with Troy.
[quote][p][bold]dazzastfc[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Oi Den![/bold] wrote: You're doing it again LR - giving statistics more importance than the performances we saw for ourselves. I wish Hall all the best and I hope he succeeds with Birmingham but that doesn't change the fact that he was poor for us. And by the way, I don't think anyone is suggesting that Hall is the only reason we were a soft touch for much of last season.[/p][/quote]I think Hall was poor mainly because of are captain Ward... We all said time and time again how poor slow and how he kept putting are defence under pressure as he was shocking at passing a football and losing possession ... To me ward was the main reason for are shocking defence and giving that Hall was in a team for the first time and that made him very nervy and low on confidence...[/p][/quote]I think that is Avery good point Dazz and clearly Birmingham see something in him. Centre back and striking partnerships are crucial. He would have possibly performed a lot better with Troy. mancrobin
  • Score: 1

4:42pm Sat 7 Jun 14

Oi Den! says...

Yes but we know Ward played well the previous season with Flint alongside him, so the opposite could be argued - that Ward's form dropped off because he didn't have a reliable partner. Ward might also have been better playing with Archibald-Henville (or Stephens). I think that's half of the brutal truth. The other half is that Ward was probably going to struggle anyway - perhaps a season too far for him, as somebody put it on here.
Yes but we know Ward played well the previous season with Flint alongside him, so the opposite could be argued - that Ward's form dropped off because he didn't have a reliable partner. Ward might also have been better playing with Archibald-Henville (or Stephens). I think that's half of the brutal truth. The other half is that Ward was probably going to struggle anyway - perhaps a season too far for him, as somebody put it on here. Oi Den!
  • Score: 1

6:21pm Sat 7 Jun 14

NEWBURYREDS says...

Ferry's gone back to Scotland and signed for Dundee
Ferry's gone back to Scotland and signed for Dundee NEWBURYREDS
  • Score: 0

6:23pm Sat 7 Jun 14

LeGod says...

I wish Hall all the best at Birmingham and im sure he will develop into a better player.
Whilst with us however i dont think the ward/hall partnership was good at all and as it was his first season in professional football it is a big step up however some of the basic points of his game were very poor for exaample he quite often got too tight to a striker and was turned too easily and very seldom did he win 50/50 balls and for a centre back was not physical enough.
When you are a striker the centre back needs to let the striker know he is a presence and make him aware that he is in for a tough game and i never felt that with Hall.
We gave so many poor goals away especially headers in the box and the fault was mainly down to Ward and Hall.
I do however think both Hall and Ward would have benefited playing alongside Troy as his presence makes am assive difference to us being solid. Hall and Wards distribution is also not as good as Troy and the Troy/Stephens partnership was a fantastic partnership and would love for that to be our two for the season coming up.
Troy has physical presence, pace and good distribution and also likes to make the odd run from the back and attack the opposing players and Stephens is so cool on the ball and his distribution is fantastic and he is going to be a top quality defender. My worry with Stephens is that if Hall has gone to Birmingham i fear a championship side may come in and get Stephens on loan and we miss out. I hope im wrong but to me Stephens is head and shoulders abve Hall as a player and for us to get him last season was a great coup.
I just hope this situation with the crook Jed is sorted out as the clock is ticking and the end of june players contract officialy finish and players we want we need to get in July. I just feel Jed is going to distrupt this club as much as he can to cause as much damage as he can which is why they didnt want the hearing at the end of June.
What goes around comes around Jed and im sure your day will come and hopefully sooner rather than later.
I wish Hall all the best at Birmingham and im sure he will develop into a better player. Whilst with us however i dont think the ward/hall partnership was good at all and as it was his first season in professional football it is a big step up however some of the basic points of his game were very poor for exaample he quite often got too tight to a striker and was turned too easily and very seldom did he win 50/50 balls and for a centre back was not physical enough. When you are a striker the centre back needs to let the striker know he is a presence and make him aware that he is in for a tough game and i never felt that with Hall. We gave so many poor goals away especially headers in the box and the fault was mainly down to Ward and Hall. I do however think both Hall and Ward would have benefited playing alongside Troy as his presence makes am assive difference to us being solid. Hall and Wards distribution is also not as good as Troy and the Troy/Stephens partnership was a fantastic partnership and would love for that to be our two for the season coming up. Troy has physical presence, pace and good distribution and also likes to make the odd run from the back and attack the opposing players and Stephens is so cool on the ball and his distribution is fantastic and he is going to be a top quality defender. My worry with Stephens is that if Hall has gone to Birmingham i fear a championship side may come in and get Stephens on loan and we miss out. I hope im wrong but to me Stephens is head and shoulders abve Hall as a player and for us to get him last season was a great coup. I just hope this situation with the crook Jed is sorted out as the clock is ticking and the end of june players contract officialy finish and players we want we need to get in July. I just feel Jed is going to distrupt this club as much as he can to cause as much damage as he can which is why they didnt want the hearing at the end of June. What goes around comes around Jed and im sure your day will come and hopefully sooner rather than later. LeGod
  • Score: 4

8:10pm Sat 7 Jun 14

Oi Den! says...

LeGod wrote:
I wish Hall all the best at Birmingham and im sure he will develop into a better player.
Whilst with us however i dont think the ward/hall partnership was good at all and as it was his first season in professional football it is a big step up however some of the basic points of his game were very poor for exaample he quite often got too tight to a striker and was turned too easily and very seldom did he win 50/50 balls and for a centre back was not physical enough.
When you are a striker the centre back needs to let the striker know he is a presence and make him aware that he is in for a tough game and i never felt that with Hall.
We gave so many poor goals away especially headers in the box and the fault was mainly down to Ward and Hall.
I do however think both Hall and Ward would have benefited playing alongside Troy as his presence makes am assive difference to us being solid. Hall and Wards distribution is also not as good as Troy and the Troy/Stephens partnership was a fantastic partnership and would love for that to be our two for the season coming up.
Troy has physical presence, pace and good distribution and also likes to make the odd run from the back and attack the opposing players and Stephens is so cool on the ball and his distribution is fantastic and he is going to be a top quality defender. My worry with Stephens is that if Hall has gone to Birmingham i fear a championship side may come in and get Stephens on loan and we miss out. I hope im wrong but to me Stephens is head and shoulders abve Hall as a player and for us to get him last season was a great coup.
I just hope this situation with the crook Jed is sorted out as the clock is ticking and the end of june players contract officialy finish and players we want we need to get in July. I just feel Jed is going to distrupt this club as much as he can to cause as much damage as he can which is why they didnt want the hearing at the end of June.
What goes around comes around Jed and im sure your day will come and hopefully sooner rather than later.
Good post LeGod. I see McCrory's mate Tommy Agombar has acquired Hereford for £1 and is "ready to announce new sources of investment next week". Has a very familiar ring to it. If our erstwhile chairman is not part of that picture It will be quite surprising.
[quote][p][bold]LeGod[/bold] wrote: I wish Hall all the best at Birmingham and im sure he will develop into a better player. Whilst with us however i dont think the ward/hall partnership was good at all and as it was his first season in professional football it is a big step up however some of the basic points of his game were very poor for exaample he quite often got too tight to a striker and was turned too easily and very seldom did he win 50/50 balls and for a centre back was not physical enough. When you are a striker the centre back needs to let the striker know he is a presence and make him aware that he is in for a tough game and i never felt that with Hall. We gave so many poor goals away especially headers in the box and the fault was mainly down to Ward and Hall. I do however think both Hall and Ward would have benefited playing alongside Troy as his presence makes am assive difference to us being solid. Hall and Wards distribution is also not as good as Troy and the Troy/Stephens partnership was a fantastic partnership and would love for that to be our two for the season coming up. Troy has physical presence, pace and good distribution and also likes to make the odd run from the back and attack the opposing players and Stephens is so cool on the ball and his distribution is fantastic and he is going to be a top quality defender. My worry with Stephens is that if Hall has gone to Birmingham i fear a championship side may come in and get Stephens on loan and we miss out. I hope im wrong but to me Stephens is head and shoulders abve Hall as a player and for us to get him last season was a great coup. I just hope this situation with the crook Jed is sorted out as the clock is ticking and the end of june players contract officialy finish and players we want we need to get in July. I just feel Jed is going to distrupt this club as much as he can to cause as much damage as he can which is why they didnt want the hearing at the end of June. What goes around comes around Jed and im sure your day will come and hopefully sooner rather than later.[/p][/quote]Good post LeGod. I see McCrory's mate Tommy Agombar has acquired Hereford for £1 and is "ready to announce new sources of investment next week". Has a very familiar ring to it. If our erstwhile chairman is not part of that picture It will be quite surprising. Oi Den!
  • Score: 2

8:33pm Sat 7 Jun 14

dazzastfc says...

Oi Den! wrote:
Yes but we know Ward played well the previous season with Flint alongside him, so the opposite could be argued - that Ward's form dropped off because he didn't have a reliable partner. Ward might also have been better playing with Archibald-Henville (or Stephens). I think that's half of the brutal truth. The other half is that Ward was probably going to struggle anyway - perhaps a season too far for him, as somebody put it on here.
I thought Hall was coming back here as was said by are Muppet manager...
But then again we were a team that was ment 2be work in progress...

HA HA LOOK WHAT SO CALLED TEAM WE ARE LEFT WITH NOW...
DIVISION 4 HERE WE COME..
[quote][p][bold]Oi Den![/bold] wrote: Yes but we know Ward played well the previous season with Flint alongside him, so the opposite could be argued - that Ward's form dropped off because he didn't have a reliable partner. Ward might also have been better playing with Archibald-Henville (or Stephens). I think that's half of the brutal truth. The other half is that Ward was probably going to struggle anyway - perhaps a season too far for him, as somebody put it on here.[/p][/quote]I thought Hall was coming back here as was said by are Muppet manager... But then again we were a team that was ment 2be work in progress... HA HA LOOK WHAT SO CALLED TEAM WE ARE LEFT WITH NOW... DIVISION 4 HERE WE COME.. dazzastfc
  • Score: -15

1:00pm Sun 8 Jun 14

port de soller says...

so many if´s a but´s at the end of the day who does own STFC??????
We have jed and his clowns who got the club for 1 GBP,then Mr Power invested the money to get us out of the FL embargo.
Gates have been good thanks to the loyal STFC Fans and LP has done I guess what he can
Yet at the end of the Day the Fans have no idea of what´s going on.
I do fear unless this Court case is resolved asap we will be in a bad way.Lets be honest who would invest in STFC at this time??????
The only saving grace is the Loyal core of fans who support them week in week out at a cost.
I am feeling so down as to this current situation within STFC yet without the Fans season Ticket sales would Jed an Co reared his head or is it JED????? Like i said us the guys in the street kno nothing and having to wait until the end ogf June is not helping no doubt this post will be a-20 plus but I´m afraid it´s a wake up time and unless the Fans get told the truth there may be mga problems
so many if´s a but´s at the end of the day who does own STFC?????? We have jed and his clowns who got the club for 1 GBP,then Mr Power invested the money to get us out of the FL embargo. Gates have been good thanks to the loyal STFC Fans and LP has done I guess what he can Yet at the end of the Day the Fans have no idea of what´s going on. I do fear unless this Court case is resolved asap we will be in a bad way.Lets be honest who would invest in STFC at this time?????? The only saving grace is the Loyal core of fans who support them week in week out at a cost. I am feeling so down as to this current situation within STFC yet without the Fans season Ticket sales would Jed an Co reared his head or is it JED????? Like i said us the guys in the street kno nothing and having to wait until the end ogf June is not helping no doubt this post will be a-20 plus but I´m afraid it´s a wake up time and unless the Fans get told the truth there may be mga problems port de soller
  • Score: -1

1:12pm Sun 8 Jun 14

dazzastfc says...

dazzastfc wrote:
Oi Den! wrote:
Yes but we know Ward played well the previous season with Flint alongside him, so the opposite could be argued - that Ward's form dropped off because he didn't have a reliable partner. Ward might also have been better playing with Archibald-Henville (or Stephens). I think that's half of the brutal truth. The other half is that Ward was probably going to struggle anyway - perhaps a season too far for him, as somebody put it on here.
I thought Hall was coming back here as was said by are Muppet manager...
But then again we were a team that was ment 2be work in progress...

HA HA LOOK WHAT SO CALLED TEAM WE ARE LEFT WITH NOW...
DIVISION 4 HERE WE COME..
Some people dont like the truth do they....

GET YA HEAD OUT OF YA ARSES
[quote][p][bold]dazzastfc[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Oi Den![/bold] wrote: Yes but we know Ward played well the previous season with Flint alongside him, so the opposite could be argued - that Ward's form dropped off because he didn't have a reliable partner. Ward might also have been better playing with Archibald-Henville (or Stephens). I think that's half of the brutal truth. The other half is that Ward was probably going to struggle anyway - perhaps a season too far for him, as somebody put it on here.[/p][/quote]I thought Hall was coming back here as was said by are Muppet manager... But then again we were a team that was ment 2be work in progress... HA HA LOOK WHAT SO CALLED TEAM WE ARE LEFT WITH NOW... DIVISION 4 HERE WE COME..[/p][/quote]Some people dont like the truth do they.... GET YA HEAD OUT OF YA ARSES dazzastfc
  • Score: -1

2:15pm Sun 8 Jun 14

Chish and Fips says...

See the ol' wrist slashers are attention seeking again .... ;o(
See the ol' wrist slashers are attention seeking again .... ;o( Chish and Fips
  • Score: 1

3:40pm Sun 8 Jun 14

dazzastfc says...

Chish and Fips wrote:
See the ol' wrist slashers are attention seeking again .... ;o(
What are you trying to say ?...If you have anything to say say it as this is a forum for STF
[quote][p][bold]Chish and Fips[/bold] wrote: See the ol' wrist slashers are attention seeking again .... ;o([/p][/quote]What are you trying to say ?...If you have anything to say say it as this is a forum for STF dazzastfc
  • Score: -1

4:26pm Sun 8 Jun 14

Chish and Fips says...

dazzastfc wrote:
Chish and Fips wrote:
See the ol' wrist slashers are attention seeking again .... ;o(
What are you trying to say ?...If you have anything to say say it as this is a forum for STF
How does the tune go..... 'Always look on the bright side of life', da dum da dum da da.....
Why are you so negative and depressive, there are still some weeks to go yet before the season starts ... .
This court case is more of a worry or unknown than anything, which is probably impacting any negotiations, so unfortunately it is a be patient time...
Mind you if that Jed is back in town I think it will end in tears...
[quote][p][bold]dazzastfc[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Chish and Fips[/bold] wrote: See the ol' wrist slashers are attention seeking again .... ;o([/p][/quote]What are you trying to say ?...If you have anything to say say it as this is a forum for STF[/p][/quote]How does the tune go..... 'Always look on the bright side of life', da dum da dum da da..... Why are you so negative and depressive, there are still some weeks to go yet before the season starts ... . This court case is more of a worry or unknown than anything, which is probably impacting any negotiations, so unfortunately it is a be patient time... Mind you if that Jed is back in town I think it will end in tears... Chish and Fips
  • Score: 2

5:58pm Sun 8 Jun 14

dazzastfc says...

Chish and Fips wrote:
dazzastfc wrote:
Chish and Fips wrote:
See the ol' wrist slashers are attention seeking again .... ;o(
What are you trying to say ?...If you have anything to say say it as this is a forum for STF
How does the tune go..... 'Always look on the bright side of life', da dum da dum da da.....
Why are you so negative and depressive, there are still some weeks to go yet before the season starts ... .
This court case is more of a worry or unknown than anything, which is probably impacting any negotiations, so unfortunately it is a be patient time...
Mind you if that Jed is back in town I think it will end in tears...
SIMPLE...
1,,,Do we know who is running the club..
2...Were is the money coming from for the court cases...
3.Will there be any money for new players ?
4.. OR is it loan players again WHO DONT GIVE A RATS ARESE ABOUT THE CLUB
5....LOOK WHAT TEAM WE HAVE RIGHT NOW ?
6...MUPPET MANAGER AND COACHING STAFF...

Apart from watching....THE MIGHTY ENGLAND.. im great...
[quote][p][bold]Chish and Fips[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]dazzastfc[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Chish and Fips[/bold] wrote: See the ol' wrist slashers are attention seeking again .... ;o([/p][/quote]What are you trying to say ?...If you have anything to say say it as this is a forum for STF[/p][/quote]How does the tune go..... 'Always look on the bright side of life', da dum da dum da da..... Why are you so negative and depressive, there are still some weeks to go yet before the season starts ... . This court case is more of a worry or unknown than anything, which is probably impacting any negotiations, so unfortunately it is a be patient time... Mind you if that Jed is back in town I think it will end in tears...[/p][/quote]SIMPLE... 1,,,Do we know who is running the club.. 2...Were is the money coming from for the court cases... 3.Will there be any money for new players ? 4.. OR is it loan players again WHO DONT GIVE A RATS ARESE ABOUT THE CLUB 5....LOOK WHAT TEAM WE HAVE RIGHT NOW ? 6...MUPPET MANAGER AND COACHING STAFF... Apart from watching....THE MIGHTY ENGLAND.. im great... dazzastfc
  • Score: -2

11:20pm Sun 8 Jun 14

the wizard says...

London Red wrote:
Oi Den! wrote:
London Red wrote:
Oi Den! wrote:
mancrobin wrote:
Oi Den! wrote:
How quickly things change. It's not that long ago we were showing Southampton a clean pair of heels. What might have been...
Not sure what point you're making here Den. Southampton have always been the bigger club. Average gates of 30000 plus? We'd be doing well now to show em a clean pair of heels.

One thing we can learn from them is their academy set up.
So, what is the better indicator - the games we saw Hall play for us or the fact that a club in the second tier has chosen to take him on loan?
He had some excellent games for us like MOTM against Premiership bound QPR - with Austin, Johnson and Zamora all featuring!
.
People forget to quickly the positives when they dislike a player on here!
.
Yes he has some bad games and made some errors - but what young players don't?
.
But to answer your question I think the actions of clubs in higher divisions is an excellent indicator of how a player is perceived within in the game!
.
Should Wigan snap up Pritchard - doesn't that also state football thinks he is better than L1 level?
If Hall plays well for Birmingham it will justify your faith in him and I will gladly eat humble pie. Meanwhile, the fact that that they are taking a look at him on loan proves nothing at all. Pritchard is a completely different case. There's a widespread view that he's better than our level.
Soccerbase is an excellent site for player details - a quick look on that showed:
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Hall played 34 games overall. We won 16 of them (47%) kept 9 clean sheets (26%) and conceded 44 (1.29 per game)
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In the League he played 29. We won 12 (42%) kept 7 clean sheets (24%) and conceded 35 (1.21)
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Therefore, taking the final league table and clean sheet total for us in L1 it shows without Hall we played 17 - won 8 (47%) kept 4 clean sheets (23%) and let in 24 (1.41)
.
So why our win percentage went up slightly in the league (but not overall) our clean sheets went down and goals against went up!
.
To me that doesn't suggest Hall was anywhere near as bad as made out to be and certainly was not the only reason goals were conceded!
I would say those stats tell us nothing in reality because there can be no numerical factor which belies the strength of the opposition which we were playing against, and as to whether Stevens,Troy or Ward were in any pairing with or without Hall. The general overall consensus is that we played better without him. That is not a pop at LR but demonstrating that stats do not tell the full story, and there is no allowance in there for who was playing up front which is necessary to generate the full picture as the strike force varied as well so the goals scored and the mid field shape are also relevant, as is the numerous different formations we played through the season. Stats are only relevant when all contributing factors in a team remain constant.
[quote][p][bold]London Red[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Oi Den![/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]London Red[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Oi Den![/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mancrobin[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Oi Den![/bold] wrote: How quickly things change. It's not that long ago we were showing Southampton a clean pair of heels. What might have been...[/p][/quote]Not sure what point you're making here Den. Southampton have always been the bigger club. Average gates of 30000 plus? We'd be doing well now to show em a clean pair of heels. One thing we can learn from them is their academy set up.[/p][/quote]So, what is the better indicator - the games we saw Hall play for us or the fact that a club in the second tier has chosen to take him on loan?[/p][/quote]He had some excellent games for us like MOTM against Premiership bound QPR - with Austin, Johnson and Zamora all featuring! . People forget to quickly the positives when they dislike a player on here! . Yes he has some bad games and made some errors - but what young players don't? . But to answer your question I think the actions of clubs in higher divisions is an excellent indicator of how a player is perceived within in the game! . Should Wigan snap up Pritchard - doesn't that also state football thinks he is better than L1 level?[/p][/quote]If Hall plays well for Birmingham it will justify your faith in him and I will gladly eat humble pie. Meanwhile, the fact that that they are taking a look at him on loan proves nothing at all. Pritchard is a completely different case. There's a widespread view that he's better than our level.[/p][/quote]Soccerbase is an excellent site for player details - a quick look on that showed: . Hall played 34 games overall. We won 16 of them (47%) kept 9 clean sheets (26%) and conceded 44 (1.29 per game) . In the League he played 29. We won 12 (42%) kept 7 clean sheets (24%) and conceded 35 (1.21) . Therefore, taking the final league table and clean sheet total for us in L1 it shows without Hall we played 17 - won 8 (47%) kept 4 clean sheets (23%) and let in 24 (1.41) . So why our win percentage went up slightly in the league (but not overall) our clean sheets went down and goals against went up! . To me that doesn't suggest Hall was anywhere near as bad as made out to be and certainly was not the only reason goals were conceded![/p][/quote]I would say those stats tell us nothing in reality because there can be no numerical factor which belies the strength of the opposition which we were playing against, and as to whether Stevens,Troy or Ward were in any pairing with or without Hall. The general overall consensus is that we played better without him. That is not a pop at LR but demonstrating that stats do not tell the full story, and there is no allowance in there for who was playing up front which is necessary to generate the full picture as the strike force varied as well so the goals scored and the mid field shape are also relevant, as is the numerous different formations we played through the season. Stats are only relevant when all contributing factors in a team remain constant. the wizard
  • Score: 0

5:05am Mon 9 Jun 14

Fernham Red says...

old town robin wrote:
They are also playing B'muff and Brighton, could have been a nice rouind robin if we took them two on as well.
Could still be on the cards?
[quote][p][bold]old town robin[/bold] wrote: They are also playing B'muff and Brighton, could have been a nice rouind robin if we took them two on as well.[/p][/quote]Could still be on the cards? Fernham Red
  • Score: 0

5:15am Mon 9 Jun 14

Fernham Red says...

the wizard wrote:
London Red wrote:
Oi Den! wrote:
London Red wrote:
Oi Den! wrote:
mancrobin wrote:
Oi Den! wrote:
How quickly things change. It's not that long ago we were showing Southampton a clean pair of heels. What might have been...
Not sure what point you're making here Den. Southampton have always been the bigger club. Average gates of 30000 plus? We'd be doing well now to show em a clean pair of heels.

One thing we can learn from them is their academy set up.
So, what is the better indicator - the games we saw Hall play for us or the fact that a club in the second tier has chosen to take him on loan?
He had some excellent games for us like MOTM against Premiership bound QPR - with Austin, Johnson and Zamora all featuring!
.
People forget to quickly the positives when they dislike a player on here!
.
Yes he has some bad games and made some errors - but what young players don't?
.
But to answer your question I think the actions of clubs in higher divisions is an excellent indicator of how a player is perceived within in the game!
.
Should Wigan snap up Pritchard - doesn't that also state football thinks he is better than L1 level?
If Hall plays well for Birmingham it will justify your faith in him and I will gladly eat humble pie. Meanwhile, the fact that that they are taking a look at him on loan proves nothing at all. Pritchard is a completely different case. There's a widespread view that he's better than our level.
Soccerbase is an excellent site for player details - a quick look on that showed:
.
Hall played 34 games overall. We won 16 of them (47%) kept 9 clean sheets (26%) and conceded 44 (1.29 per game)
.
In the League he played 29. We won 12 (42%) kept 7 clean sheets (24%) and conceded 35 (1.21)
.
Therefore, taking the final league table and clean sheet total for us in L1 it shows without Hall we played 17 - won 8 (47%) kept 4 clean sheets (23%) and let in 24 (1.41)
.
So why our win percentage went up slightly in the league (but not overall) our clean sheets went down and goals against went up!
.
To me that doesn't suggest Hall was anywhere near as bad as made out to be and certainly was not the only reason goals were conceded!
I would say those stats tell us nothing in reality because there can be no numerical factor which belies the strength of the opposition which we were playing against, and as to whether Stevens,Troy or Ward were in any pairing with or without Hall. The general overall consensus is that we played better without him. That is not a pop at LR but demonstrating that stats do not tell the full story, and there is no allowance in there for who was playing up front which is necessary to generate the full picture as the strike force varied as well so the goals scored and the mid field shape are also relevant, as is the numerous different formations we played through the season. Stats are only relevant when all contributing factors in a team remain constant.
I think the consensus was that Ward and Hall did not make a good central pairing as they got 'split down the middle' too often - that doesn't make either of them bad players just that their skill sets were non too complimentary. If Hall were to come back next season and play alongside Troy or (hopefully) Stephens, I'd be more than happy to wait and see how things panned out.
[quote][p][bold]the wizard[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]London Red[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Oi Den![/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]London Red[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Oi Den![/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mancrobin[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Oi Den![/bold] wrote: How quickly things change. It's not that long ago we were showing Southampton a clean pair of heels. What might have been...[/p][/quote]Not sure what point you're making here Den. Southampton have always been the bigger club. Average gates of 30000 plus? We'd be doing well now to show em a clean pair of heels. One thing we can learn from them is their academy set up.[/p][/quote]So, what is the better indicator - the games we saw Hall play for us or the fact that a club in the second tier has chosen to take him on loan?[/p][/quote]He had some excellent games for us like MOTM against Premiership bound QPR - with Austin, Johnson and Zamora all featuring! . People forget to quickly the positives when they dislike a player on here! . Yes he has some bad games and made some errors - but what young players don't? . But to answer your question I think the actions of clubs in higher divisions is an excellent indicator of how a player is perceived within in the game! . Should Wigan snap up Pritchard - doesn't that also state football thinks he is better than L1 level?[/p][/quote]If Hall plays well for Birmingham it will justify your faith in him and I will gladly eat humble pie. Meanwhile, the fact that that they are taking a look at him on loan proves nothing at all. Pritchard is a completely different case. There's a widespread view that he's better than our level.[/p][/quote]Soccerbase is an excellent site for player details - a quick look on that showed: . Hall played 34 games overall. We won 16 of them (47%) kept 9 clean sheets (26%) and conceded 44 (1.29 per game) . In the League he played 29. We won 12 (42%) kept 7 clean sheets (24%) and conceded 35 (1.21) . Therefore, taking the final league table and clean sheet total for us in L1 it shows without Hall we played 17 - won 8 (47%) kept 4 clean sheets (23%) and let in 24 (1.41) . So why our win percentage went up slightly in the league (but not overall) our clean sheets went down and goals against went up! . To me that doesn't suggest Hall was anywhere near as bad as made out to be and certainly was not the only reason goals were conceded![/p][/quote]I would say those stats tell us nothing in reality because there can be no numerical factor which belies the strength of the opposition which we were playing against, and as to whether Stevens,Troy or Ward were in any pairing with or without Hall. The general overall consensus is that we played better without him. That is not a pop at LR but demonstrating that stats do not tell the full story, and there is no allowance in there for who was playing up front which is necessary to generate the full picture as the strike force varied as well so the goals scored and the mid field shape are also relevant, as is the numerous different formations we played through the season. Stats are only relevant when all contributing factors in a team remain constant.[/p][/quote]I think the consensus was that Ward and Hall did not make a good central pairing as they got 'split down the middle' too often - that doesn't make either of them bad players just that their skill sets were non too complimentary. If Hall were to come back next season and play alongside Troy or (hopefully) Stephens, I'd be more than happy to wait and see how things panned out. Fernham Red
  • Score: 1

8:11am Mon 9 Jun 14

London Red says...

Oi Den! wrote:
You're doing it again LR - giving statistics more importance than the performances we saw for ourselves. I wish Hall all the best and I hope he succeeds with Birmingham but that doesn't change the fact that he was poor for us. And by the way, I don't think anyone is suggesting that Hall is the only reason we were a soft touch for much of last season.
Not really as if you look any website or paper when looking at a player the first thing they do is look at games with and out to see potential impact
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Be it Sergio Aguero's injury in the Premiership run in or if Rooney should start at the World Cup
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So considering how poor Hall was meant to be and he was costing us so many goals and points - it should have shown that when he left the team a dramatic improvement occurred - which I clearly remember being predicted on here!
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Yet that clearly didn't happen - thus my point about him being a scapegoat looks more like it!
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Yes he was far from perfect, made some costly errors and had some shockers like in the FA Cup game - but he wasn't alone in that and like others he also had some excellent games - QPR and Plymouth to name 2
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I think a few above have hit it on the head that Ward was a season past it and that along with Hall's first campaign led to a disaster of a partnership
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Now the fact it wasn't until Stephens arrived that we really looked solid strongly suggests it was Ward more than Hall!
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I agree Hall needs to improve as pointed out - but now he has a year under his belt he is likely to
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I would have liked him at the back on the left with Troy in the centre and Stephens right - I think that would have been solid and a great platform to play football from
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That's not going to happen - so we look forward. However, I do expect him to be another player unliked at us to go on and do well elsewhere - and usually at a higher level too!
[quote][p][bold]Oi Den![/bold] wrote: You're doing it again LR - giving statistics more importance than the performances we saw for ourselves. I wish Hall all the best and I hope he succeeds with Birmingham but that doesn't change the fact that he was poor for us. And by the way, I don't think anyone is suggesting that Hall is the only reason we were a soft touch for much of last season.[/p][/quote]Not really as if you look any website or paper when looking at a player the first thing they do is look at games with and out to see potential impact . Be it Sergio Aguero's injury in the Premiership run in or if Rooney should start at the World Cup . So considering how poor Hall was meant to be and he was costing us so many goals and points - it should have shown that when he left the team a dramatic improvement occurred - which I clearly remember being predicted on here! . Yet that clearly didn't happen - thus my point about him being a scapegoat looks more like it! . Yes he was far from perfect, made some costly errors and had some shockers like in the FA Cup game - but he wasn't alone in that and like others he also had some excellent games - QPR and Plymouth to name 2 . I think a few above have hit it on the head that Ward was a season past it and that along with Hall's first campaign led to a disaster of a partnership . Now the fact it wasn't until Stephens arrived that we really looked solid strongly suggests it was Ward more than Hall! . I agree Hall needs to improve as pointed out - but now he has a year under his belt he is likely to . I would have liked him at the back on the left with Troy in the centre and Stephens right - I think that would have been solid and a great platform to play football from . That's not going to happen - so we look forward. However, I do expect him to be another player unliked at us to go on and do well elsewhere - and usually at a higher level too! London Red
  • Score: 0

8:32am Mon 9 Jun 14

London Red says...

To highlight my point Ward played the first 37 league games and we let in 51 or 1.46 a game
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The last 9 after he was dropped we let in 8 or 0.88 per game
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That is a clear impact of the change - unlike when Hall went out the team and we actually let in more!!!!!
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I still stand by my view if Hall was that bad we should have seen an impact like above when Ward dropped out!
To highlight my point Ward played the first 37 league games and we let in 51 or 1.46 a game . The last 9 after he was dropped we let in 8 or 0.88 per game . That is a clear impact of the change - unlike when Hall went out the team and we actually let in more!!!!! . I still stand by my view if Hall was that bad we should have seen an impact like above when Ward dropped out! London Red
  • Score: 0

11:55am Mon 9 Jun 14

Swindon1984 says...

the wizard wrote:
London Red wrote:
Oi Den! wrote:
London Red wrote:
Oi Den! wrote:
mancrobin wrote:
Oi Den! wrote: How quickly things change. It's not that long ago we were showing Southampton a clean pair of heels. What might have been...
Not sure what point you're making here Den. Southampton have always been the bigger club. Average gates of 30000 plus? We'd be doing well now to show em a clean pair of heels. One thing we can learn from them is their academy set up.
So, what is the better indicator - the games we saw Hall play for us or the fact that a club in the second tier has chosen to take him on loan?
He had some excellent games for us like MOTM against Premiership bound QPR - with Austin, Johnson and Zamora all featuring! . People forget to quickly the positives when they dislike a player on here! . Yes he has some bad games and made some errors - but what young players don't? . But to answer your question I think the actions of clubs in higher divisions is an excellent indicator of how a player is perceived within in the game! . Should Wigan snap up Pritchard - doesn't that also state football thinks he is better than L1 level?
If Hall plays well for Birmingham it will justify your faith in him and I will gladly eat humble pie. Meanwhile, the fact that that they are taking a look at him on loan proves nothing at all. Pritchard is a completely different case. There's a widespread view that he's better than our level.
Soccerbase is an excellent site for player details - a quick look on that showed: . Hall played 34 games overall. We won 16 of them (47%) kept 9 clean sheets (26%) and conceded 44 (1.29 per game) . In the League he played 29. We won 12 (42%) kept 7 clean sheets (24%) and conceded 35 (1.21) . Therefore, taking the final league table and clean sheet total for us in L1 it shows without Hall we played 17 - won 8 (47%) kept 4 clean sheets (23%) and let in 24 (1.41) . So why our win percentage went up slightly in the league (but not overall) our clean sheets went down and goals against went up! . To me that doesn't suggest Hall was anywhere near as bad as made out to be and certainly was not the only reason goals were conceded!
I would say those stats tell us nothing in reality because there can be no numerical factor which belies the strength of the opposition which we were playing against, and as to whether Stevens,Troy or Ward were in any pairing with or without Hall. The general overall consensus is that we played better without him. That is not a pop at LR but demonstrating that stats do not tell the full story, and there is no allowance in there for who was playing up front which is necessary to generate the full picture as the strike force varied as well so the goals scored and the mid field shape are also relevant, as is the numerous different formations we played through the season. Stats are only relevant when all contributing factors in a team remain constant.
"Stats are only relevant when all contributing factors in a team remain constant"

Absolutely bang on - if you take any one statistic in isolation it can illustrate any point people want to make. I saw Hall play a lot and didn't think much of him I must admit, especially considering he came from Spurs and was highly rated. Stephens played fewer games for us but you could see more or less straight away he was far more comfortable defending and on the ball. Can only call it as I see it and the Hall / Ward partnership at the back was poor.

As for whoever was moaning about loanees not caring about the club, I'd argue that very few footballers really do - who can blame them, they have a short career and they want to get on. Judge them by what they put in on the pitch - Stephens for example was very good for us, as have some others in recent memory (Danny Ward, Nicky Ajose, going back further there've been some real quality players also) and we've had many permanant signings who've been happy to collect the pay cheques and contribute little. So not all about whether they're loan players or permanent signings - of course we'd like to see a 30 man Swindon born and bred squad slogging their gets out for the badge every week but let's be realistic, it's not going to happen. I just want to see effort on the pitch regardless of the contractual status.
[quote][p][bold]the wizard[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]London Red[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Oi Den![/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]London Red[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Oi Den![/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mancrobin[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Oi Den![/bold] wrote: How quickly things change. It's not that long ago we were showing Southampton a clean pair of heels. What might have been...[/p][/quote]Not sure what point you're making here Den. Southampton have always been the bigger club. Average gates of 30000 plus? We'd be doing well now to show em a clean pair of heels. One thing we can learn from them is their academy set up.[/p][/quote]So, what is the better indicator - the games we saw Hall play for us or the fact that a club in the second tier has chosen to take him on loan?[/p][/quote]He had some excellent games for us like MOTM against Premiership bound QPR - with Austin, Johnson and Zamora all featuring! . People forget to quickly the positives when they dislike a player on here! . Yes he has some bad games and made some errors - but what young players don't? . But to answer your question I think the actions of clubs in higher divisions is an excellent indicator of how a player is perceived within in the game! . Should Wigan snap up Pritchard - doesn't that also state football thinks he is better than L1 level?[/p][/quote]If Hall plays well for Birmingham it will justify your faith in him and I will gladly eat humble pie. Meanwhile, the fact that that they are taking a look at him on loan proves nothing at all. Pritchard is a completely different case. There's a widespread view that he's better than our level.[/p][/quote]Soccerbase is an excellent site for player details - a quick look on that showed: . Hall played 34 games overall. We won 16 of them (47%) kept 9 clean sheets (26%) and conceded 44 (1.29 per game) . In the League he played 29. We won 12 (42%) kept 7 clean sheets (24%) and conceded 35 (1.21) . Therefore, taking the final league table and clean sheet total for us in L1 it shows without Hall we played 17 - won 8 (47%) kept 4 clean sheets (23%) and let in 24 (1.41) . So why our win percentage went up slightly in the league (but not overall) our clean sheets went down and goals against went up! . To me that doesn't suggest Hall was anywhere near as bad as made out to be and certainly was not the only reason goals were conceded![/p][/quote]I would say those stats tell us nothing in reality because there can be no numerical factor which belies the strength of the opposition which we were playing against, and as to whether Stevens,Troy or Ward were in any pairing with or without Hall. The general overall consensus is that we played better without him. That is not a pop at LR but demonstrating that stats do not tell the full story, and there is no allowance in there for who was playing up front which is necessary to generate the full picture as the strike force varied as well so the goals scored and the mid field shape are also relevant, as is the numerous different formations we played through the season. Stats are only relevant when all contributing factors in a team remain constant.[/p][/quote]"Stats are only relevant when all contributing factors in a team remain constant" Absolutely bang on - if you take any one statistic in isolation it can illustrate any point people want to make. I saw Hall play a lot and didn't think much of him I must admit, especially considering he came from Spurs and was highly rated. Stephens played fewer games for us but you could see more or less straight away he was far more comfortable defending and on the ball. Can only call it as I see it and the Hall / Ward partnership at the back was poor. As for whoever was moaning about loanees not caring about the club, I'd argue that very few footballers really do - who can blame them, they have a short career and they want to get on. Judge them by what they put in on the pitch - Stephens for example was very good for us, as have some others in recent memory (Danny Ward, Nicky Ajose, going back further there've been some real quality players also) and we've had many permanant signings who've been happy to collect the pay cheques and contribute little. So not all about whether they're loan players or permanent signings - of course we'd like to see a 30 man Swindon born and bred squad slogging their gets out for the badge every week but let's be realistic, it's not going to happen. I just want to see effort on the pitch regardless of the contractual status. Swindon1984
  • Score: 3

2:04pm Mon 9 Jun 14

London Red says...

That would mean all football stats are irrelevant - as there is never a constant
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Form of sides change over the season - so even looking at who we played becomes "irrelevant", transfers take place, injuries occur, bans occur or simply a change in starting line up occurs - even the time of year when the game is played, weather and pitch condition changes meaning no 2 games can be considered the same
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But that is total nonsence to disgard all stats
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Also to say you can't look at one is nonsence - just like Goals scored per game is a very relevant stat for a striker - Goals against is a very important stat for defenders
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No matter what some say - Our season was pretty consistent in terms of our defence!
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Hall and Ward played the first 28 together and let in 35 (1.25)
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Hall then got injured and dropped out and Ward played on for another 9 where a whopping 16 were let in (1.77) - which also co-inciuded with our appalling run where our season pretty much fell apart!
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Stephens then arrived on loan and Ward was dropped and we played the remaining 9 (with only 1 sub appearance from Hall in there) - in which 8 were conceeded (0.88)
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Granted we switched from 4 to 5 at the back for most of Stephens time here and that could have played a big part - if anyone cares to do a 4 v 5 at the back analysis be my guest!
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But overall I think it is clear from the 3 clear sections of the season of how we faired at the back
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Yes we all know Troy and Stephens was the best and what we would all like to see in 2014/15
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But after that I think it should be clear the biggest issue was Ward!
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It was only after he was replaced that the goals against dropped and dropped significantly!
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Hall didn't work with Ward - so think he has had some harsh criticism - but you only have to read Lee Clark's comments to see that that is the view of a few on here only and not within Football!
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They also have paid a fee for Hall to ensure no recall option exists as he rates him highly and wants him there all year!
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Anyway thats it form me as Hall will not be at STFC 2014/15 and we should start to look forward now not backwards
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Also good to see the B Team rejection got no coverage!
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We had weeks of pointless articles on it - yet when it is rejected like a few of us said it would always be - nothing!
That would mean all football stats are irrelevant - as there is never a constant . Form of sides change over the season - so even looking at who we played becomes "irrelevant", transfers take place, injuries occur, bans occur or simply a change in starting line up occurs - even the time of year when the game is played, weather and pitch condition changes meaning no 2 games can be considered the same . But that is total nonsence to disgard all stats . Also to say you can't look at one is nonsence - just like Goals scored per game is a very relevant stat for a striker - Goals against is a very important stat for defenders . No matter what some say - Our season was pretty consistent in terms of our defence! . Hall and Ward played the first 28 together and let in 35 (1.25) . Hall then got injured and dropped out and Ward played on for another 9 where a whopping 16 were let in (1.77) - which also co-inciuded with our appalling run where our season pretty much fell apart! . Stephens then arrived on loan and Ward was dropped and we played the remaining 9 (with only 1 sub appearance from Hall in there) - in which 8 were conceeded (0.88) . Granted we switched from 4 to 5 at the back for most of Stephens time here and that could have played a big part - if anyone cares to do a 4 v 5 at the back analysis be my guest! . But overall I think it is clear from the 3 clear sections of the season of how we faired at the back . Yes we all know Troy and Stephens was the best and what we would all like to see in 2014/15 . But after that I think it should be clear the biggest issue was Ward! . It was only after he was replaced that the goals against dropped and dropped significantly! . Hall didn't work with Ward - so think he has had some harsh criticism - but you only have to read Lee Clark's comments to see that that is the view of a few on here only and not within Football! . They also have paid a fee for Hall to ensure no recall option exists as he rates him highly and wants him there all year! . Anyway thats it form me as Hall will not be at STFC 2014/15 and we should start to look forward now not backwards . Also good to see the B Team rejection got no coverage! . We had weeks of pointless articles on it - yet when it is rejected like a few of us said it would always be - nothing! London Red
  • Score: 0

2:13pm Mon 9 Jun 14

the wizard says...

Perhaps in their own way The Adver could run a poll here to decide the Hall issue as to whether supporters feel that the team were better or worse for his presence .

And for the benefit of those that have forgotten, do they really think Hall will make Birmingham a safe bet at the end of next season, bearing in mind, a Paul Caddis goal ensured their survival in the Championship, such as the sparkling team they are.
Perhaps in their own way The Adver could run a poll here to decide the Hall issue as to whether supporters feel that the team were better or worse for his presence . And for the benefit of those that have forgotten, do they really think Hall will make Birmingham a safe bet at the end of next season, bearing in mind, a Paul Caddis goal ensured their survival in the Championship, such as the sparkling team they are. the wizard
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3:13pm Mon 9 Jun 14

London Red says...

the wizard wrote:
Perhaps in their own way The Adver could run a poll here to decide the Hall issue as to whether supporters feel that the team were better or worse for his presence . And for the benefit of those that have forgotten, do they really think Hall will make Birmingham a safe bet at the end of next season, bearing in mind, a Paul Caddis goal ensured their survival in the Championship, such as the sparkling team they are.
A simple yes/no wouldn't be fair vote
.
We were "better" without him - but only when Ward went too and we had a completelty new paiting in Troy and Stephens
.
We never got to see what the team would have been like with Troy and Hall or Troy, Hall and Stephens
.
A simple vote would just see it come out pro Troy and Stephens and anti Ward and Hall!
.
Branco - well who knows where he would sit in that mix!
[quote][p][bold]the wizard[/bold] wrote: Perhaps in their own way The Adver could run a poll here to decide the Hall issue as to whether supporters feel that the team were better or worse for his presence . And for the benefit of those that have forgotten, do they really think Hall will make Birmingham a safe bet at the end of next season, bearing in mind, a Paul Caddis goal ensured their survival in the Championship, such as the sparkling team they are.[/p][/quote]A simple yes/no wouldn't be fair vote . We were "better" without him - but only when Ward went too and we had a completelty new paiting in Troy and Stephens . We never got to see what the team would have been like with Troy and Hall or Troy, Hall and Stephens . A simple vote would just see it come out pro Troy and Stephens and anti Ward and Hall! . Branco - well who knows where he would sit in that mix! London Red
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4:29pm Mon 9 Jun 14

Swindon1984 says...

London Red wrote:
the wizard wrote: Perhaps in their own way The Adver could run a poll here to decide the Hall issue as to whether supporters feel that the team were better or worse for his presence . And for the benefit of those that have forgotten, do they really think Hall will make Birmingham a safe bet at the end of next season, bearing in mind, a Paul Caddis goal ensured their survival in the Championship, such as the sparkling team they are.
A simple yes/no wouldn't be fair vote . We were "better" without him - but only when Ward went too and we had a completelty new paiting in Troy and Stephens . We never got to see what the team would have been like with Troy and Hall or Troy, Hall and Stephens . A simple vote would just see it come out pro Troy and Stephens and anti Ward and Hall! . Branco - well who knows where he would sit in that mix!
On performances I've seen, I would put Branco above Hall. Not saying Branco's an over all better player or over time will become a better player than Hall will, but purely based on what I've seen of both players.
[quote][p][bold]London Red[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]the wizard[/bold] wrote: Perhaps in their own way The Adver could run a poll here to decide the Hall issue as to whether supporters feel that the team were better or worse for his presence . And for the benefit of those that have forgotten, do they really think Hall will make Birmingham a safe bet at the end of next season, bearing in mind, a Paul Caddis goal ensured their survival in the Championship, such as the sparkling team they are.[/p][/quote]A simple yes/no wouldn't be fair vote . We were "better" without him - but only when Ward went too and we had a completelty new paiting in Troy and Stephens . We never got to see what the team would have been like with Troy and Hall or Troy, Hall and Stephens . A simple vote would just see it come out pro Troy and Stephens and anti Ward and Hall! . Branco - well who knows where he would sit in that mix![/p][/quote]On performances I've seen, I would put Branco above Hall. Not saying Branco's an over all better player or over time will become a better player than Hall will, but purely based on what I've seen of both players. Swindon1984
  • Score: 1

4:50pm Mon 9 Jun 14

Oi Den! says...

Paralysis by analysis is going on here. Statistics have their place but nearly everybody will form their opinions of players based on what they witness. We didn't need chapter and verse on Charlie Austin's goalscoring record to know that he was a superb striker. We don't need to know how many clean sheets Fodders has kept to know he's brilliant at the other end. Thank goodness the "assists" stat didn't exist in the days of Don Rogers. Who cared about the exact number of passes he played to create goals or the number of defenders he dumped on their arses on the way? We just knew he was good. We enjoyed football without the need to reduce everything to cold numbers as though it was some kind of arithmetical pursuit. Opinions will always differ. That's football. I can't imagine there's ever been a fan who put more faith in statistics than in his/her own judgment of a player.
Paralysis by analysis is going on here. Statistics have their place but nearly everybody will form their opinions of players based on what they witness. We didn't need chapter and verse on Charlie Austin's goalscoring record to know that he was a superb striker. We don't need to know how many clean sheets Fodders has kept to know he's brilliant at the other end. Thank goodness the "assists" stat didn't exist in the days of Don Rogers. Who cared about the exact number of passes he played to create goals or the number of defenders he dumped on their arses on the way? We just knew he was good. We enjoyed football without the need to reduce everything to cold numbers as though it was some kind of arithmetical pursuit. Opinions will always differ. That's football. I can't imagine there's ever been a fan who put more faith in statistics than in his/her own judgment of a player. Oi Den!
  • Score: 1

5:53pm Mon 9 Jun 14

the wizard says...

Hey Den, you got a + from me, very well put.
Hey Den, you got a + from me, very well put. the wizard
  • Score: 0

10:59am Tue 10 Jun 14

Oi Den! says...

Cheers Wiz. I suppose I was piggybacking on your point really.
Cheers Wiz. I suppose I was piggybacking on your point really. Oi Den!
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