SWINDON TOWN: Foderingham backs Smith to bounce back from penalty miss

Michael Smith rues his penalty miss during Swindon Town's 1-0 victory over Brentford on Saturday

Michael Smith rues his penalty miss during Swindon Town's 1-0 victory over Brentford on Saturday

First published in Sport The Wiltshire Gazette and Herald: Photograph of the Author by , Deputy sports editor

WES Foderingham has backed under-fire striker Michael Smith to bounce back from Saturday’s penalty miss in Swindon Town’s 1-0 win over Brentford on Saturday.

The big forward was the target of plenty of barracking from a section of the home supporters throughout the match, as his first touch let him down.

Then the 22-year-old also missed a 13th-minute spot-kick to complete a miserable afternoon.

“He is alright,” said Foderingham, who made a superb save to deny George Saville on the hour mark. “He works hard and he is not going to let it bother him.

“He puts the work in but was not able to find the net. He has missed a penalty - it happens - but he is a big player for us and we will need him for the rest of the season.”

The keeper was full of praise for Town’s character in the win over the promotion-chasing Bees, as Louis Thompson’s goal on the stroke of half-time settled the game.

“Brentford are one of the best sides in the league and we stood up to the challenge really well with a good hard fought win,” he said.

“Brentford are a side that get in your face, they press a lot, press up the pitch, they get a lot of boys in to put you under pressure, so it was good that we could come away with a win and a clean sheet.

“Smudge was unlucky to miss the penalty but it shows great character from the side to keep going and that is what Louis is all about. He is all about the hustle, he pressed their lad pretty tight and won the ball off him and took a really good finish.”

The 23-year-old keeper admits that he did not see the Saville strike until late and he hopes that he can continue to keep the Town fans happy.

“He (Saville) has hit it clean, I have seen it a little bit late there were bodies in front but I have got across and made a good save to my right,” he said.

“I’m in the side to make saves and I will do the best that I can every week. I’m sure that if I keep making saves like that I will keep the fans happy.”

Town boss Mark Cooper was also less than happy with some fans throughout the game.

“Everyone was giving the ball away in the second half,” he said. “When you are a young player and give one or two away and everyone starts shouting it is not going to make you any better is it?

“The fans turned quickly today, especially behind me, I was getting dog’s abuse, but there we go.

“But they have stuck with us and I say to them stick with us for the rest of the season.”

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8:22am Mon 14 Apr 14

LionelHutz says...

I agree with Cooper's comments about the fans. There were people around me having a constant go at Michael Smith on Saturday. Yes he was having a bad game but he's a young lad still learning the trade and shouting abuse at him is not going to help the situation.

I also cannot fathom why Cooper gets so much stick from our fans. 7th in the league. Yes, that's SEVENTH in the league when most, including me, thought we would be relegated by now when predicting our chances at the start of the season.

Everyone is of course entitled to their opinion, but a reality check is required by some.

PS Fantastic battling performance and result on Saturday. Bodes well for next season.
I agree with Cooper's comments about the fans. There were people around me having a constant go at Michael Smith on Saturday. Yes he was having a bad game but he's a young lad still learning the trade and shouting abuse at him is not going to help the situation. I also cannot fathom why Cooper gets so much stick from our fans. 7th in the league. Yes, that's SEVENTH in the league when most, including me, thought we would be relegated by now when predicting our chances at the start of the season. Everyone is of course entitled to their opinion, but a reality check is required by some. PS Fantastic battling performance and result on Saturday. Bodes well for next season. LionelHutz
  • Score: 33

9:31am Mon 14 Apr 14

Redgollum says...

I do agree that fans should support the players. But they, as a body, sense who is good & who is bad. They pay their money & have a right to their opinion. They, individually, have no say, but a lot together can make their opinions known. The management would do well to listen to them. Thousands of thoughts against 1 man's ideas. These fans have watched games throughout their lives, so know a bit.
I do agree that fans should support the players. But they, as a body, sense who is good & who is bad. They pay their money & have a right to their opinion. They, individually, have no say, but a lot together can make their opinions known. The management would do well to listen to them. Thousands of thoughts against 1 man's ideas. These fans have watched games throughout their lives, so know a bit. Redgollum
  • Score: 12

9:35am Mon 14 Apr 14

Oi Den! says...

LionelHutz wrote:
I agree with Cooper's comments about the fans. There were people around me having a constant go at Michael Smith on Saturday. Yes he was having a bad game but he's a young lad still learning the trade and shouting abuse at him is not going to help the situation.

I also cannot fathom why Cooper gets so much stick from our fans. 7th in the league. Yes, that's SEVENTH in the league when most, including me, thought we would be relegated by now when predicting our chances at the start of the season.

Everyone is of course entitled to their opinion, but a reality check is required by some.

PS Fantastic battling performance and result on Saturday. Bodes well for next season.
Yep. A shocking defence for over half a season, no proper strike force for most of it, a lightweight midfield - and we are seventh. A real achievement for Cooper.
[quote][p][bold]LionelHutz[/bold] wrote: I agree with Cooper's comments about the fans. There were people around me having a constant go at Michael Smith on Saturday. Yes he was having a bad game but he's a young lad still learning the trade and shouting abuse at him is not going to help the situation. I also cannot fathom why Cooper gets so much stick from our fans. 7th in the league. Yes, that's SEVENTH in the league when most, including me, thought we would be relegated by now when predicting our chances at the start of the season. Everyone is of course entitled to their opinion, but a reality check is required by some. PS Fantastic battling performance and result on Saturday. Bodes well for next season.[/p][/quote]Yep. A shocking defence for over half a season, no proper strike force for most of it, a lightweight midfield - and we are seventh. A real achievement for Cooper. Oi Den!
  • Score: 13

9:48am Mon 14 Apr 14

LeGod says...

I don't understand fans having a go at Cooper during the game on Saturday as it was a good team performance and how anyone could have criticised him is ridiculous. The first 10 minutes though our defenders didn't seem to understand the formation and once they sorted it we were strong and resolute and Stephens has made such a massive difference to us defensively and I really hope we can get him on a season long loan next season.
I will never knock a player during a game as everyone can have bad games but i'm afraid Smiths first touch is so bad nearly every time the ball came to him and his attempted control was going about three yards away and for a professional player that is very poor as for the penalty the keeper was stood over one side further than the other so what does Smith do shoot the side with less room to shoot at.
I'm sorry but this guy needs to drastically improve his first touch, his strength and his heading ability and McCormack who is about a foot shorter than him was beating him in the air. The problem is as Cooper himself stated last week as he cant hold the ball up it constantly puts us under pressure and he needs to learn fast. All this he is a young player rubbish is not good enough he's a striker he's tall and he should be much more awkward for defenders than he currently is. He is the weak link of the team and needs to learn a lot from the way Nile Ranger plays because if he does he would become a good player. Of all the games he has played so far for us this season I don't see any improvement in his first touch, strength, heading ability. I will however praise him for his work rate on Saturday but apart from that he gives very little to the team. If he sat where we are and watched his own performance he would have to agree with us fans that he needs a lot of improvement to his all round game.
I don't understand fans having a go at Cooper during the game on Saturday as it was a good team performance and how anyone could have criticised him is ridiculous. The first 10 minutes though our defenders didn't seem to understand the formation and once they sorted it we were strong and resolute and Stephens has made such a massive difference to us defensively and I really hope we can get him on a season long loan next season. I will never knock a player during a game as everyone can have bad games but i'm afraid Smiths first touch is so bad nearly every time the ball came to him and his attempted control was going about three yards away and for a professional player that is very poor as for the penalty the keeper was stood over one side further than the other so what does Smith do shoot the side with less room to shoot at. I'm sorry but this guy needs to drastically improve his first touch, his strength and his heading ability and McCormack who is about a foot shorter than him was beating him in the air. The problem is as Cooper himself stated last week as he cant hold the ball up it constantly puts us under pressure and he needs to learn fast. All this he is a young player rubbish is not good enough he's a striker he's tall and he should be much more awkward for defenders than he currently is. He is the weak link of the team and needs to learn a lot from the way Nile Ranger plays because if he does he would become a good player. Of all the games he has played so far for us this season I don't see any improvement in his first touch, strength, heading ability. I will however praise him for his work rate on Saturday but apart from that he gives very little to the team. If he sat where we are and watched his own performance he would have to agree with us fans that he needs a lot of improvement to his all round game. LeGod
  • Score: 21

10:01am Mon 14 Apr 14

Oi Den! says...

Redgollum wrote:
I do agree that fans should support the players. But they, as a body, sense who is good & who is bad. They pay their money & have a right to their opinion. They, individually, have no say, but a lot together can make their opinions known. The management would do well to listen to them. Thousands of thoughts against 1 man's ideas. These fans have watched games throughout their lives, so know a bit.
I fully support that point but you make it sound as if the whole crowd is against Cooper. Most fans seem to understand that he's got a makeshift group of players and has taken them to a far better league position than most expected. The calls for Smith to be replaced were hardly justified by Storey's brief performance when he did eventually come on, were they? We could all see the problem up front on Saturday. Screams of "Get him off!" are not the answer, especially when there is nobody any better to replace him. It's a bit like calls to sack the manager, as if, by magic, a new person will come in and turn the players into something they're not.
[quote][p][bold]Redgollum[/bold] wrote: I do agree that fans should support the players. But they, as a body, sense who is good & who is bad. They pay their money & have a right to their opinion. They, individually, have no say, but a lot together can make their opinions known. The management would do well to listen to them. Thousands of thoughts against 1 man's ideas. These fans have watched games throughout their lives, so know a bit.[/p][/quote]I fully support that point but you make it sound as if the whole crowd is against Cooper. Most fans seem to understand that he's got a makeshift group of players and has taken them to a far better league position than most expected. The calls for Smith to be replaced were hardly justified by Storey's brief performance when he did eventually come on, were they? We could all see the problem up front on Saturday. Screams of "Get him off!" are not the answer, especially when there is nobody any better to replace him. It's a bit like calls to sack the manager, as if, by magic, a new person will come in and turn the players into something they're not. Oi Den!
  • Score: 5

12:17pm Mon 14 Apr 14

melnursesear. says...

I was a few weeks ago beginning to think Cooper was not the answer and wanted rid of him..However recently it has not been just Plan A..he has " Wised up".and this season will make him a better manager..We all make mistakes said the hedgehog climbing off the Bog brush..I think with a wise close season..NO more cuts..we can be in the shake up next year..
I was a few weeks ago beginning to think Cooper was not the answer and wanted rid of him..However recently it has not been just Plan A..he has " Wised up".and this season will make him a better manager..We all make mistakes said the hedgehog climbing off the Bog brush..I think with a wise close season..NO more cuts..we can be in the shake up next year.. melnursesear.
  • Score: 1

12:17pm Mon 14 Apr 14

hertz says...

Enjoyed the game brilliant save Wes made .We all see things differently so can I ask , Why do you think Coops subbed Pritchard ? when for me Byrne was the obvious to come off , he was wandering in space and did'nt seem to be involved .
Enjoyed the game brilliant save Wes made .We all see things differently so can I ask , Why do you think Coops subbed Pritchard ? when for me Byrne was the obvious to come off , he was wandering in space and did'nt seem to be involved . hertz
  • Score: 0

12:41pm Mon 14 Apr 14

ShearerShearer says...

Redgollum wrote:
I do agree that fans should support the players. But they, as a body, sense who is good & who is bad. They pay their money & have a right to their opinion. They, individually, have no say, but a lot together can make their opinions known. The management would do well to listen to them. Thousands of thoughts against 1 man's ideas. These fans have watched games throughout their lives, so know a bit.
It's the way in which some fans "voice" their opinion that I find unnecessary.

Groaning in frustration because a player didn't acheive what he or we hoped is different to verbally abusing a player with a torrent of foul words or booing them which is not imho the way to encourage your team.
[quote][p][bold]Redgollum[/bold] wrote: I do agree that fans should support the players. But they, as a body, sense who is good & who is bad. They pay their money & have a right to their opinion. They, individually, have no say, but a lot together can make their opinions known. The management would do well to listen to them. Thousands of thoughts against 1 man's ideas. These fans have watched games throughout their lives, so know a bit.[/p][/quote]It's the way in which some fans "voice" their opinion that I find unnecessary. Groaning in frustration because a player didn't acheive what he or we hoped is different to verbally abusing a player with a torrent of foul words or booing them which is not imho the way to encourage your team. ShearerShearer
  • Score: 2

1:11pm Mon 14 Apr 14

Steve. Brentford says...

What Cooper says about players that are booed not getting any better is correct of course this makes them over think situations and play the ball negatively rather than in a way they normally would,however we have always had (not just us) fans that groan at every lost ball and boo-ers ( my hatred for this during the game is second to none) who barrack the players that they are supposedly supporting, we have so many youngsters and relatively inexperienced players i wonder what some folk expect, calling for Cooper to be replaced is as pathetic, i could not see us doing any better this season with any sensibly named replacement, and of course we have to remember who runs our club, not many experienced managers would be able to work in the way Cooper has to.
I think we have over achieved and if one can be happy with 7th-8th place in league one (div3) for this season then i am.
What Cooper says about players that are booed not getting any better is correct of course this makes them over think situations and play the ball negatively rather than in a way they normally would,however we have always had (not just us) fans that groan at every lost ball and boo-ers ( my hatred for this during the game is second to none) who barrack the players that they are supposedly supporting, we have so many youngsters and relatively inexperienced players i wonder what some folk expect, calling for Cooper to be replaced is as pathetic, i could not see us doing any better this season with any sensibly named replacement, and of course we have to remember who runs our club, not many experienced managers would be able to work in the way Cooper has to. I think we have over achieved and if one can be happy with 7th-8th place in league one (div3) for this season then i am. Steve. Brentford
  • Score: 8

1:16pm Mon 14 Apr 14

Is that you Lovesey says...

its a funny old game.

we all see things differently, like why sub Smith off and put Gladwin up front and have no striker when we have a forward on the bench, then realise that the players are still playing the ball into areas a striker would be, only to make another sub and put a striker on who was sitting on the bench. All the while playing no one up front against ten men and inviting them on to us.... Good management that was....

If you all think its isolated abuse of Cooper you are wrong, people are getting frustrated by him, I personaly don't rate him one bit, BUT I have to give him some credit, the changes made to make us a bit more direct whilst playing football are positive and win lose or draw It makes the game more enjoyable......

How many times did you here we are coopers red and white army sang.... none, it has stopped, people are seeing him for what he is.

Him saying he was getting dogs abuse and that we turned quick was ridiculous, Smith was having a mare, holding the ball up in not his strength, Cooper himself has said that, so why play him on his own up top, Pritchard was pretty innefective, in my mind because he isn't a support striker he is a winger, he always looks better on the wing, Byrne also not a support striker, not even sure he is a winger. This left Smith getting abuse because he couldn't hold the ball up. I quite like Smith, I think he puts in a shift and gives 100% and as fans we need to be behind people who want to play and give 100%. But in fairness he was having a poor game as he was unable to do the job asked of him, when they then went to 10 men we sat back and for a bit even played none up front, WHY ? We should have pressed them and got the ball moving to make them work, instead we just kept giving the ball back to them.

I have to say thought enjoyed the game and a massive improvement from where we were 6 weeks ago.
its a funny old game. we all see things differently, like why sub Smith off and put Gladwin up front and have no striker when we have a forward on the bench, then realise that the players are still playing the ball into areas a striker would be, only to make another sub and put a striker on who was sitting on the bench. All the while playing no one up front against ten men and inviting them on to us.... Good management that was.... If you all think its isolated abuse of Cooper you are wrong, people are getting frustrated by him, I personaly don't rate him one bit, BUT I have to give him some credit, the changes made to make us a bit more direct whilst playing football are positive and win lose or draw It makes the game more enjoyable...... How many times did you here we are coopers red and white army sang.... none, it has stopped, people are seeing him for what he is. Him saying he was getting dogs abuse and that we turned quick was ridiculous, Smith was having a mare, holding the ball up in not his strength, Cooper himself has said that, so why play him on his own up top, Pritchard was pretty innefective, in my mind because he isn't a support striker he is a winger, he always looks better on the wing, Byrne also not a support striker, not even sure he is a winger. This left Smith getting abuse because he couldn't hold the ball up. I quite like Smith, I think he puts in a shift and gives 100% and as fans we need to be behind people who want to play and give 100%. But in fairness he was having a poor game as he was unable to do the job asked of him, when they then went to 10 men we sat back and for a bit even played none up front, WHY ? We should have pressed them and got the ball moving to make them work, instead we just kept giving the ball back to them. I have to say thought enjoyed the game and a massive improvement from where we were 6 weeks ago. Is that you Lovesey
  • Score: 3

1:29pm Mon 14 Apr 14

MITTED says...

I do not condone booing of young players but Cooper was wrong to compare Smith's performance as being no different from other players on the day and therefore unfair. He totally ignores the fact that Smith's inability to control the ball happens every game. That is why fans are frustrated with him. If Cooper can't see that, then the future does not bode well.
COYR.
I do not condone booing of young players but Cooper was wrong to compare Smith's performance as being no different from other players on the day and therefore unfair. He totally ignores the fact that Smith's inability to control the ball happens every game. That is why fans are frustrated with him. If Cooper can't see that, then the future does not bode well. COYR. MITTED
  • Score: 6

1:34pm Mon 14 Apr 14

LeGod says...

hertz- the reason why Pritchard was taken off he wasn't in the game and once Macca was physical with him Pritchard went into his shell and didn't go near as he was scared of him and if Pritchard thinks he's not going to get any rough treatment then he needs to think again because he will get this all the time his reputation grows as a skilful player and he needs to man up and what he should be doing is reacting by taking the mickey even more so a player reacts, gets booked and eventually gets sent off and not drift out the game as he did.
hertz- the reason why Pritchard was taken off he wasn't in the game and once Macca was physical with him Pritchard went into his shell and didn't go near as he was scared of him and if Pritchard thinks he's not going to get any rough treatment then he needs to think again because he will get this all the time his reputation grows as a skilful player and he needs to man up and what he should be doing is reacting by taking the mickey even more so a player reacts, gets booked and eventually gets sent off and not drift out the game as he did. LeGod
  • Score: 0

1:40pm Mon 14 Apr 14

mancrobin says...

ShearerShearer wrote:
Redgollum wrote:
I do agree that fans should support the players. But they, as a body, sense who is good & who is bad. They pay their money & have a right to their opinion. They, individually, have no say, but a lot together can make their opinions known. The management would do well to listen to them. Thousands of thoughts against 1 man's ideas. These fans have watched games throughout their lives, so know a bit.
It's the way in which some fans "voice" their opinion that I find unnecessary.

Groaning in frustration because a player didn't acheive what he or we hoped is different to verbally abusing a player with a torrent of foul words or booing them which is not imho the way to encourage your team.
I totally agree Shearer. Of course, we all get frustrated and are certainly entitled to our opinion having forked out to watch the game but the level of nasty abuse aimed at our own team is quite shameful.
[quote][p][bold]ShearerShearer[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Redgollum[/bold] wrote: I do agree that fans should support the players. But they, as a body, sense who is good & who is bad. They pay their money & have a right to their opinion. They, individually, have no say, but a lot together can make their opinions known. The management would do well to listen to them. Thousands of thoughts against 1 man's ideas. These fans have watched games throughout their lives, so know a bit.[/p][/quote]It's the way in which some fans "voice" their opinion that I find unnecessary. Groaning in frustration because a player didn't acheive what he or we hoped is different to verbally abusing a player with a torrent of foul words or booing them which is not imho the way to encourage your team.[/p][/quote]I totally agree Shearer. Of course, we all get frustrated and are certainly entitled to our opinion having forked out to watch the game but the level of nasty abuse aimed at our own team is quite shameful. mancrobin
  • Score: 0

2:13pm Mon 14 Apr 14

London Red says...

LeGod wrote:
hertz- the reason why Pritchard was taken off he wasn't in the game and once Macca was physical with him Pritchard went into his shell and didn't go near as he was scared of him and if Pritchard thinks he's not going to get any rough treatment then he needs to think again because he will get this all the time his reputation grows as a skilful player and he needs to man up and what he should be doing is reacting by taking the mickey even more so a player reacts, gets booked and eventually gets sent off and not drift out the game as he did.
Who's decision was it to swap Burne and Pritchard? The players or Cooper?
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As for me that made us less effective!
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Byrne got free twice when playing down the right - as he had the pace to out run Bidwell - but was not in the game when moved to the left
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Also Pritchard faded into nothing when on moved over to the right
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For me the change that should have occured was to go 442 when they were down to 10
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Had we had 2 up top they couldn't have pushed as many forward as they would have been to open to the counter - so the change to take a defencer off for a forward might not have happened - or given us even more space!
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Also with as they had a man missing we could afford to lose the extra defender - as we would still out number them in midfield and defence 4 to 3
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So Branco for Storey would have made much more sense
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Jay slot in at LB and tasked with Marking Donaldson who was playing wide right - with Byrne prioviding back up if need be
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Stephens could have marked Trotta
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Then Thompson on Judge and we then have TAH free to pick up anyone from midfield
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Luongo and Louis showed at PV they work well as a pair in the middle - and Thompson could have just sat on Saville who took u[p the play maker role
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Then we should have been looking to have Pritchard and Storey double up on Macca who was there for the taking - espeically as on a yellow and carrying his red mist around with him
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Also with 2 wide men we could have potwentially seen more from Smith as he is decent in the air from crosses as we have seen him net from them or is a reasonable fox in the box to tuck away any low balls in or cut backs
[quote][p][bold]LeGod[/bold] wrote: hertz- the reason why Pritchard was taken off he wasn't in the game and once Macca was physical with him Pritchard went into his shell and didn't go near as he was scared of him and if Pritchard thinks he's not going to get any rough treatment then he needs to think again because he will get this all the time his reputation grows as a skilful player and he needs to man up and what he should be doing is reacting by taking the mickey even more so a player reacts, gets booked and eventually gets sent off and not drift out the game as he did.[/p][/quote]Who's decision was it to swap Burne and Pritchard? The players or Cooper? . As for me that made us less effective! . Byrne got free twice when playing down the right - as he had the pace to out run Bidwell - but was not in the game when moved to the left . Also Pritchard faded into nothing when on moved over to the right . For me the change that should have occured was to go 442 when they were down to 10 . Had we had 2 up top they couldn't have pushed as many forward as they would have been to open to the counter - so the change to take a defencer off for a forward might not have happened - or given us even more space! . Also with as they had a man missing we could afford to lose the extra defender - as we would still out number them in midfield and defence 4 to 3 . So Branco for Storey would have made much more sense . Jay slot in at LB and tasked with Marking Donaldson who was playing wide right - with Byrne prioviding back up if need be . Stephens could have marked Trotta . Then Thompson on Judge and we then have TAH free to pick up anyone from midfield . Luongo and Louis showed at PV they work well as a pair in the middle - and Thompson could have just sat on Saville who took u[p the play maker role . Then we should have been looking to have Pritchard and Storey double up on Macca who was there for the taking - espeically as on a yellow and carrying his red mist around with him . Also with 2 wide men we could have potwentially seen more from Smith as he is decent in the air from crosses as we have seen him net from them or is a reasonable fox in the box to tuck away any low balls in or cut backs London Red
  • Score: -11

2:34pm Mon 14 Apr 14

Oi Den! says...

Sorry LR but I just don't get this "We should have done this, that or the other", when we have just won a game. We won - that much is certain. We have no idea whether we'd have been better or worse - we might even have lost - with your suggestions. I thought we'd lose to Preston. Even after Cooper pulled that rabbit out of the hat, I thought Sheffield United would beat us. By the time Saturday came round, I was starting to get the message and thought "maybe we can get something from this". Lo and behold, we get another 3 points - and still people say we didn't get it right. My gast is well and truly flabbered.
Sorry LR but I just don't get this "We should have done this, that or the other", when we have just won a game. We won - that much is certain. We have no idea whether we'd have been better or worse - we might even have lost - with your suggestions. I thought we'd lose to Preston. Even after Cooper pulled that rabbit out of the hat, I thought Sheffield United would beat us. By the time Saturday came round, I was starting to get the message and thought "maybe we can get something from this". Lo and behold, we get another 3 points - and still people say we didn't get it right. My gast is well and truly flabbered. Oi Den!
  • Score: 3

3:01pm Mon 14 Apr 14

smirg kcab says...

It's remarks that cooper gives that winds fans up.
Smith lost his confidence when he slaughtered him to the media after the carlise game with storey being made the scapegoat.
Booing Macca who gave 100% to this club is no different from booing smith in my book so you should all start to have a look at yourselves and be ashamed.
Just a thought
It's remarks that cooper gives that winds fans up. Smith lost his confidence when he slaughtered him to the media after the carlise game with storey being made the scapegoat. Booing Macca who gave 100% to this club is no different from booing smith in my book so you should all start to have a look at yourselves and be ashamed. Just a thought smirg kcab
  • Score: 1

3:13pm Mon 14 Apr 14

swwindon61uk says...

MITTED wrote:
I do not condone booing of young players but Cooper was wrong to compare Smith's performance as being no different from other players on the day and therefore unfair. He totally ignores the fact that Smith's inability to control the ball happens every game. That is why fans are frustrated with him. If Cooper can't see that, then the future does not bode well.
COYR.
I am sure he does see it Mitted and i am sure he is not saying so publicly as not to lay the boot in totally.
[quote][p][bold]MITTED[/bold] wrote: I do not condone booing of young players but Cooper was wrong to compare Smith's performance as being no different from other players on the day and therefore unfair. He totally ignores the fact that Smith's inability to control the ball happens every game. That is why fans are frustrated with him. If Cooper can't see that, then the future does not bode well. COYR.[/p][/quote]I am sure he does see it Mitted and i am sure he is not saying so publicly as not to lay the boot in totally. swwindon61uk
  • Score: 0

3:16pm Mon 14 Apr 14

swwindon61uk says...

I will wait and see where Smith is at after he has been here for longer than 10 games or whatever it is!
All it is the Negs,moaners and groaners have to fulfill their needs and at the moment Smith fits the bill, when he scores a few goals they will just keep quiet and move on to the next thing they can moan about.
I will wait and see where Smith is at after he has been here for longer than 10 games or whatever it is! All it is the Negs,moaners and groaners have to fulfill their needs and at the moment Smith fits the bill, when he scores a few goals they will just keep quiet and move on to the next thing they can moan about. swwindon61uk
  • Score: 1

3:20pm Mon 14 Apr 14

smirg kcab says...

swwindon61uk wrote:
MITTED wrote:
I do not condone booing of young players but Cooper was wrong to compare Smith's performance as being no different from other players on the day and therefore unfair. He totally ignores the fact that Smith's inability to control the ball happens every game. That is why fans are frustrated with him. If Cooper can't see that, then the future does not bode well.
COYR.
I am sure he does see it Mitted and i am sure he is not saying so publicly as not to lay the boot in totally.
AGAIN, Like he did against carlise lol, boot boot
People were frustrated with storey being dropped for a player who's gave nothing in most games, and doesn't look like he's going to improve.
[quote][p][bold]swwindon61uk[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]MITTED[/bold] wrote: I do not condone booing of young players but Cooper was wrong to compare Smith's performance as being no different from other players on the day and therefore unfair. He totally ignores the fact that Smith's inability to control the ball happens every game. That is why fans are frustrated with him. If Cooper can't see that, then the future does not bode well. COYR.[/p][/quote]I am sure he does see it Mitted and i am sure he is not saying so publicly as not to lay the boot in totally.[/p][/quote]AGAIN, Like he did against carlise lol, boot boot People were frustrated with storey being dropped for a player who's gave nothing in most games, and doesn't look like he's going to improve. smirg kcab
  • Score: 2

3:28pm Mon 14 Apr 14

swwindon61uk says...

Oi Den! wrote:
LionelHutz wrote:
I agree with Cooper's comments about the fans. There were people around me having a constant go at Michael Smith on Saturday. Yes he was having a bad game but he's a young lad still learning the trade and shouting abuse at him is not going to help the situation.

I also cannot fathom why Cooper gets so much stick from our fans. 7th in the league. Yes, that's SEVENTH in the league when most, including me, thought we would be relegated by now when predicting our chances at the start of the season.

Everyone is of course entitled to their opinion, but a reality check is required by some.

PS Fantastic battling performance and result on Saturday. Bodes well for next season.
Yep. A shocking defence for over half a season, no proper strike force for most of it, a lightweight midfield - and we are seventh. A real achievement for Cooper.
It does come down to two things, first and foremost the more positive football we are playing and secondly as much as i hate signaling out players Stephens and Troy replacing Ward.
I think we can all truthfully say if Stephens had been here from the start we would be looking at playoffs.
Yes mistakes still happen, Brentford missed a couple of easy chances,but Wes's work load i would say has been halved and hence the better percentage chance he can deal with what little he has to do and he has!
Also when Foderingham said his upturn in form this season was down to Belford i thought he was just being a good team mate, but it really does look like he sees Tyrel as a threat which is good on two counts 1) It means Belford is a good goalkeeper,which most of us know and 2) I think this means Foderingham is looking to stay.
[quote][p][bold]Oi Den![/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]LionelHutz[/bold] wrote: I agree with Cooper's comments about the fans. There were people around me having a constant go at Michael Smith on Saturday. Yes he was having a bad game but he's a young lad still learning the trade and shouting abuse at him is not going to help the situation. I also cannot fathom why Cooper gets so much stick from our fans. 7th in the league. Yes, that's SEVENTH in the league when most, including me, thought we would be relegated by now when predicting our chances at the start of the season. Everyone is of course entitled to their opinion, but a reality check is required by some. PS Fantastic battling performance and result on Saturday. Bodes well for next season.[/p][/quote]Yep. A shocking defence for over half a season, no proper strike force for most of it, a lightweight midfield - and we are seventh. A real achievement for Cooper.[/p][/quote]It does come down to two things, first and foremost the more positive football we are playing and secondly as much as i hate signaling out players Stephens and Troy replacing Ward. I think we can all truthfully say if Stephens had been here from the start we would be looking at playoffs. Yes mistakes still happen, Brentford missed a couple of easy chances,but Wes's work load i would say has been halved and hence the better percentage chance he can deal with what little he has to do and he has! Also when Foderingham said his upturn in form this season was down to Belford i thought he was just being a good team mate, but it really does look like he sees Tyrel as a threat which is good on two counts 1) It means Belford is a good goalkeeper,which most of us know and 2) I think this means Foderingham is looking to stay. swwindon61uk
  • Score: -1

3:29pm Mon 14 Apr 14

London Red says...

Oi Den! wrote:
Sorry LR but I just don't get this "We should have done this, that or the other", when we have just won a game. We won - that much is certain. We have no idea whether we'd have been better or worse - we might even have lost - with your suggestions. I thought we'd lose to Preston. Even after Cooper pulled that rabbit out of the hat, I thought Sheffield United would beat us. By the time Saturday came round, I was starting to get the message and thought "maybe we can get something from this". Lo and behold, we get another 3 points - and still people say we didn't get it right. My gast is well and truly flabbered.
Den if you take the attitude we won - so we can't complain about anything then you are on a hiding to nothing!
.
Brentford took the game to us and Cooper's changes were ineffective to stop it and we won purely down to 2 very poor finishes and an outstanding save from Wes
.
That won't happen every game - so I would expect Cooper to look at changing this to ensure we don't rely on others poor finish or Wes to bail us out every game!
.
I'm not taking anything away from the lads as it was a good perfromance - but that win could easily have not been one - so if they want to improve as footballers and challenge next term - they need to be able to look at all game sincluding wins and see what went wrong and how they can improve on that
[quote][p][bold]Oi Den![/bold] wrote: Sorry LR but I just don't get this "We should have done this, that or the other", when we have just won a game. We won - that much is certain. We have no idea whether we'd have been better or worse - we might even have lost - with your suggestions. I thought we'd lose to Preston. Even after Cooper pulled that rabbit out of the hat, I thought Sheffield United would beat us. By the time Saturday came round, I was starting to get the message and thought "maybe we can get something from this". Lo and behold, we get another 3 points - and still people say we didn't get it right. My gast is well and truly flabbered.[/p][/quote]Den if you take the attitude we won - so we can't complain about anything then you are on a hiding to nothing! . Brentford took the game to us and Cooper's changes were ineffective to stop it and we won purely down to 2 very poor finishes and an outstanding save from Wes . That won't happen every game - so I would expect Cooper to look at changing this to ensure we don't rely on others poor finish or Wes to bail us out every game! . I'm not taking anything away from the lads as it was a good perfromance - but that win could easily have not been one - so if they want to improve as footballers and challenge next term - they need to be able to look at all game sincluding wins and see what went wrong and how they can improve on that London Red
  • Score: -8

3:31pm Mon 14 Apr 14

swwindon61uk says...

smirg kcab wrote:
swwindon61uk wrote:
MITTED wrote:
I do not condone booing of young players but Cooper was wrong to compare Smith's performance as being no different from other players on the day and therefore unfair. He totally ignores the fact that Smith's inability to control the ball happens every game. That is why fans are frustrated with him. If Cooper can't see that, then the future does not bode well.
COYR.
I am sure he does see it Mitted and i am sure he is not saying so publicly as not to lay the boot in totally.
AGAIN, Like he did against carlise lol, boot boot
People were frustrated with storey being dropped for a player who's gave nothing in most games, and doesn't look like he's going to improve.
Yep and Storey was a game changer and a big improvement on Smith when he came on wasn't he?????
Swindon won with Cooper in charge and Story not playing, really hurts you doesn't it.
Also IMHO if Storey is out of contract at the end of this season i can't see him getting a new one,not most want to hear but i honestly believe that.
[quote][p][bold]smirg kcab[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]swwindon61uk[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]MITTED[/bold] wrote: I do not condone booing of young players but Cooper was wrong to compare Smith's performance as being no different from other players on the day and therefore unfair. He totally ignores the fact that Smith's inability to control the ball happens every game. That is why fans are frustrated with him. If Cooper can't see that, then the future does not bode well. COYR.[/p][/quote]I am sure he does see it Mitted and i am sure he is not saying so publicly as not to lay the boot in totally.[/p][/quote]AGAIN, Like he did against carlise lol, boot boot People were frustrated with storey being dropped for a player who's gave nothing in most games, and doesn't look like he's going to improve.[/p][/quote]Yep and Storey was a game changer and a big improvement on Smith when he came on wasn't he????? Swindon won with Cooper in charge and Story not playing, really hurts you doesn't it. Also IMHO if Storey is out of contract at the end of this season i can't see him getting a new one,not most want to hear but i honestly believe that. swwindon61uk
  • Score: 3

3:35pm Mon 14 Apr 14

lifelong red says...

Oi Den! wrote:
Sorry LR but I just don't get this "We should have done this, that or the other", when we have just won a game. We won - that much is certain. We have no idea whether we'd have been better or worse - we might even have lost - with your suggestions. I thought we'd lose to Preston. Even after Cooper pulled that rabbit out of the hat, I thought Sheffield United would beat us. By the time Saturday came round, I was starting to get the message and thought "maybe we can get something from this". Lo and behold, we get another 3 points - and still people say we didn't get it right. My gast is well and truly flabbered.
Very true and very well put . My thoughts leading up to the Brentford game was exactly the same as yours . thought we showed , grit determination and character on sat , as well as some entertaining football at times , maybe we're beginning to realize that there's more than just one side to the game.
[quote][p][bold]Oi Den![/bold] wrote: Sorry LR but I just don't get this "We should have done this, that or the other", when we have just won a game. We won - that much is certain. We have no idea whether we'd have been better or worse - we might even have lost - with your suggestions. I thought we'd lose to Preston. Even after Cooper pulled that rabbit out of the hat, I thought Sheffield United would beat us. By the time Saturday came round, I was starting to get the message and thought "maybe we can get something from this". Lo and behold, we get another 3 points - and still people say we didn't get it right. My gast is well and truly flabbered.[/p][/quote]Very true and very well put . My thoughts leading up to the Brentford game was exactly the same as yours . thought we showed , grit determination and character on sat , as well as some entertaining football at times , maybe we're beginning to realize that there's more than just one side to the game. lifelong red
  • Score: 0

3:37pm Mon 14 Apr 14

swwindon61uk says...

smirg kcab wrote:
It's remarks that cooper gives that winds fans up.
Smith lost his confidence when he slaughtered him to the media after the carlise game with storey being made the scapegoat.
Booing Macca who gave 100% to this club is no different from booing smith in my book so you should all start to have a look at yourselves and be ashamed.
Just a thought
Not as much as being ashamed of giving a manager credit, whether you like him or not, in the near miracle he has performed.
I have had an open mind about Cooper all season but now to me it plain to see he has grown in the role as manager as the season has gone on and that is due to the fact he finally worked out a system and the players he wants in that system regardless whether ALL the players are to all of our liking or not.
I did not boo McCormack or Douglas but i'd rather a Swindon crowd boo an opposition player than one of our own.
The applause Smith got when he got subbed speaks volumes of what most of our support is like thankfully.
[quote][p][bold]smirg kcab[/bold] wrote: It's remarks that cooper gives that winds fans up. Smith lost his confidence when he slaughtered him to the media after the carlise game with storey being made the scapegoat. Booing Macca who gave 100% to this club is no different from booing smith in my book so you should all start to have a look at yourselves and be ashamed. Just a thought[/p][/quote]Not as much as being ashamed of giving a manager credit, whether you like him or not, in the near miracle he has performed. I have had an open mind about Cooper all season but now to me it plain to see he has grown in the role as manager as the season has gone on and that is due to the fact he finally worked out a system and the players he wants in that system regardless whether ALL the players are to all of our liking or not. I did not boo McCormack or Douglas but i'd rather a Swindon crowd boo an opposition player than one of our own. The applause Smith got when he got subbed speaks volumes of what most of our support is like thankfully. swwindon61uk
  • Score: 1

3:42pm Mon 14 Apr 14

swwindon61uk says...

London Red wrote:
Oi Den! wrote:
Sorry LR but I just don't get this "We should have done this, that or the other", when we have just won a game. We won - that much is certain. We have no idea whether we'd have been better or worse - we might even have lost - with your suggestions. I thought we'd lose to Preston. Even after Cooper pulled that rabbit out of the hat, I thought Sheffield United would beat us. By the time Saturday came round, I was starting to get the message and thought "maybe we can get something from this". Lo and behold, we get another 3 points - and still people say we didn't get it right. My gast is well and truly flabbered.
Den if you take the attitude we won - so we can't complain about anything then you are on a hiding to nothing!
.
Brentford took the game to us and Cooper's changes were ineffective to stop it and we won purely down to 2 very poor finishes and an outstanding save from Wes
.
That won't happen every game - so I would expect Cooper to look at changing this to ensure we don't rely on others poor finish or Wes to bail us out every game!
.
I'm not taking anything away from the lads as it was a good perfromance - but that win could easily have not been one - so if they want to improve as footballers and challenge next term - they need to be able to look at all game sincluding wins and see what went wrong and how they can improve on that
And what about the easy chance Smith made and the missed penalty and others chance we had?
They don't count as they don't support your line of thinking?
To say we won was all down to Brentford's poor finishing is absolute cobblers, we fought an in form 2nd place team tooth and nail, the game could have gone either way yes, but it went our way and deservedly so.
[quote][p][bold]London Red[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Oi Den![/bold] wrote: Sorry LR but I just don't get this "We should have done this, that or the other", when we have just won a game. We won - that much is certain. We have no idea whether we'd have been better or worse - we might even have lost - with your suggestions. I thought we'd lose to Preston. Even after Cooper pulled that rabbit out of the hat, I thought Sheffield United would beat us. By the time Saturday came round, I was starting to get the message and thought "maybe we can get something from this". Lo and behold, we get another 3 points - and still people say we didn't get it right. My gast is well and truly flabbered.[/p][/quote]Den if you take the attitude we won - so we can't complain about anything then you are on a hiding to nothing! . Brentford took the game to us and Cooper's changes were ineffective to stop it and we won purely down to 2 very poor finishes and an outstanding save from Wes . That won't happen every game - so I would expect Cooper to look at changing this to ensure we don't rely on others poor finish or Wes to bail us out every game! . I'm not taking anything away from the lads as it was a good perfromance - but that win could easily have not been one - so if they want to improve as footballers and challenge next term - they need to be able to look at all game sincluding wins and see what went wrong and how they can improve on that[/p][/quote]And what about the easy chance Smith made and the missed penalty and others chance we had? They don't count as they don't support your line of thinking? To say we won was all down to Brentford's poor finishing is absolute cobblers, we fought an in form 2nd place team tooth and nail, the game could have gone either way yes, but it went our way and deservedly so. swwindon61uk
  • Score: 1

3:45pm Mon 14 Apr 14

swwindon61uk says...

Brentford had one shot on target, i think that speaks volumes of how much Cooper got the team selection right Saturday, they had a lot of the ball,but the bottom line is they had one header on target which was superbly dealt with by Foderingham.
Brentford had one shot on target, i think that speaks volumes of how much Cooper got the team selection right Saturday, they had a lot of the ball,but the bottom line is they had one header on target which was superbly dealt with by Foderingham. swwindon61uk
  • Score: 6

3:56pm Mon 14 Apr 14

smirg kcab says...

swwindon61uk wrote:
smirg kcab wrote:
It's remarks that cooper gives that winds fans up.
Smith lost his confidence when he slaughtered him to the media after the carlise game with storey being made the scapegoat.
Booing Macca who gave 100% to this club is no different from booing smith in my book so you should all start to have a look at yourselves and be ashamed.
Just a thought
Not as much as being ashamed of giving a manager credit, whether you like him or not, in the near miracle he has performed.
I have had an open mind about Cooper all season but now to me it plain to see he has grown in the role as manager as the season has gone on and that is due to the fact he finally worked out a system and the players he wants in that system regardless whether ALL the players are to all of our liking or not.
I did not boo McCormack or Douglas but i'd rather a Swindon crowd boo an opposition player than one of our own.
The applause Smith got when he got subbed speaks volumes of what most of our support is like thankfully.
Think cooper has done a great job with his hands tied,
But as a paying customers( whose always right ) i/ we can say do what they want.
If you go and read your one sided post you are the worst moaner who moans about people moaning.
So stop moaning
Please don't reply because it will be a negative moan
[quote][p][bold]swwindon61uk[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]smirg kcab[/bold] wrote: It's remarks that cooper gives that winds fans up. Smith lost his confidence when he slaughtered him to the media after the carlise game with storey being made the scapegoat. Booing Macca who gave 100% to this club is no different from booing smith in my book so you should all start to have a look at yourselves and be ashamed. Just a thought[/p][/quote]Not as much as being ashamed of giving a manager credit, whether you like him or not, in the near miracle he has performed. I have had an open mind about Cooper all season but now to me it plain to see he has grown in the role as manager as the season has gone on and that is due to the fact he finally worked out a system and the players he wants in that system regardless whether ALL the players are to all of our liking or not. I did not boo McCormack or Douglas but i'd rather a Swindon crowd boo an opposition player than one of our own. The applause Smith got when he got subbed speaks volumes of what most of our support is like thankfully.[/p][/quote]Think cooper has done a great job with his hands tied, But as a paying customers( whose always right ) i/ we can say do what they want. If you go and read your one sided post you are the worst moaner who moans about people moaning. So stop moaning Please don't reply because it will be a negative moan smirg kcab
  • Score: 1

3:59pm Mon 14 Apr 14

Oi Den! says...

London Red wrote:
Oi Den! wrote:
Sorry LR but I just don't get this "We should have done this, that or the other", when we have just won a game. We won - that much is certain. We have no idea whether we'd have been better or worse - we might even have lost - with your suggestions. I thought we'd lose to Preston. Even after Cooper pulled that rabbit out of the hat, I thought Sheffield United would beat us. By the time Saturday came round, I was starting to get the message and thought "maybe we can get something from this". Lo and behold, we get another 3 points - and still people say we didn't get it right. My gast is well and truly flabbered.
Den if you take the attitude we won - so we can't complain about anything then you are on a hiding to nothing!
.
Brentford took the game to us and Cooper's changes were ineffective to stop it and we won purely down to 2 very poor finishes and an outstanding save from Wes
.
That won't happen every game - so I would expect Cooper to look at changing this to ensure we don't rely on others poor finish or Wes to bail us out every game!
.
I'm not taking anything away from the lads as it was a good perfromance - but that win could easily have not been one - so if they want to improve as footballers and challenge next term - they need to be able to look at all game sincluding wins and see what went wrong and how they can improve on that
I'm not saying there isn't room for improvement, LR. Of course there is. But we did what we had to do to beat one of the best sides in the division. You're saying we should have done things differently. I'm saying that whatever we did differently we couldn't have got more than the 3 points. We might have still got all 3, but we might have got 1 and we might have got b*gger all.

I wouldn't criticise you at all for suggesting improvements for the future but when we've just ground out a win against an in form side, I prefer to settle for that and look forward to the next game rather than speculate that we should have done better. As it happens I disagree with you on the 4-4-2. That would have given them more room to cut through us. Cooper said afterwards that we were determined to protect the lead by not taking any risks. We succeeded. That'll do me. Can you imagine the stick he'd have got if we'd opened up in the second half and lost the game?
[quote][p][bold]London Red[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Oi Den![/bold] wrote: Sorry LR but I just don't get this "We should have done this, that or the other", when we have just won a game. We won - that much is certain. We have no idea whether we'd have been better or worse - we might even have lost - with your suggestions. I thought we'd lose to Preston. Even after Cooper pulled that rabbit out of the hat, I thought Sheffield United would beat us. By the time Saturday came round, I was starting to get the message and thought "maybe we can get something from this". Lo and behold, we get another 3 points - and still people say we didn't get it right. My gast is well and truly flabbered.[/p][/quote]Den if you take the attitude we won - so we can't complain about anything then you are on a hiding to nothing! . Brentford took the game to us and Cooper's changes were ineffective to stop it and we won purely down to 2 very poor finishes and an outstanding save from Wes . That won't happen every game - so I would expect Cooper to look at changing this to ensure we don't rely on others poor finish or Wes to bail us out every game! . I'm not taking anything away from the lads as it was a good perfromance - but that win could easily have not been one - so if they want to improve as footballers and challenge next term - they need to be able to look at all game sincluding wins and see what went wrong and how they can improve on that[/p][/quote]I'm not saying there isn't room for improvement, LR. Of course there is. But we did what we had to do to beat one of the best sides in the division. You're saying we should have done things differently. I'm saying that whatever we did differently we couldn't have got more than the 3 points. We might have still got all 3, but we might have got 1 and we might have got b*gger all. I wouldn't criticise you at all for suggesting improvements for the future but when we've just ground out a win against an in form side, I prefer to settle for that and look forward to the next game rather than speculate that we should have done better. As it happens I disagree with you on the 4-4-2. That would have given them more room to cut through us. Cooper said afterwards that we were determined to protect the lead by not taking any risks. We succeeded. That'll do me. Can you imagine the stick he'd have got if we'd opened up in the second half and lost the game? Oi Den!
  • Score: 2

4:00pm Mon 14 Apr 14

swwindon61uk says...

smirg kcab wrote:
swwindon61uk wrote:
smirg kcab wrote:
It's remarks that cooper gives that winds fans up.
Smith lost his confidence when he slaughtered him to the media after the carlise game with storey being made the scapegoat.
Booing Macca who gave 100% to this club is no different from booing smith in my book so you should all start to have a look at yourselves and be ashamed.
Just a thought
Not as much as being ashamed of giving a manager credit, whether you like him or not, in the near miracle he has performed.
I have had an open mind about Cooper all season but now to me it plain to see he has grown in the role as manager as the season has gone on and that is due to the fact he finally worked out a system and the players he wants in that system regardless whether ALL the players are to all of our liking or not.
I did not boo McCormack or Douglas but i'd rather a Swindon crowd boo an opposition player than one of our own.
The applause Smith got when he got subbed speaks volumes of what most of our support is like thankfully.
Think cooper has done a great job with his hands tied,
But as a paying customers( whose always right ) i/ we can say do what they want.
If you go and read your one sided post you are the worst moaner who moans about people moaning.
So stop moaning
Please don't reply because it will be a negative moan
LOL standard reply as you can't think of nothing else to say....LOL
[quote][p][bold]smirg kcab[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]swwindon61uk[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]smirg kcab[/bold] wrote: It's remarks that cooper gives that winds fans up. Smith lost his confidence when he slaughtered him to the media after the carlise game with storey being made the scapegoat. Booing Macca who gave 100% to this club is no different from booing smith in my book so you should all start to have a look at yourselves and be ashamed. Just a thought[/p][/quote]Not as much as being ashamed of giving a manager credit, whether you like him or not, in the near miracle he has performed. I have had an open mind about Cooper all season but now to me it plain to see he has grown in the role as manager as the season has gone on and that is due to the fact he finally worked out a system and the players he wants in that system regardless whether ALL the players are to all of our liking or not. I did not boo McCormack or Douglas but i'd rather a Swindon crowd boo an opposition player than one of our own. The applause Smith got when he got subbed speaks volumes of what most of our support is like thankfully.[/p][/quote]Think cooper has done a great job with his hands tied, But as a paying customers( whose always right ) i/ we can say do what they want. If you go and read your one sided post you are the worst moaner who moans about people moaning. So stop moaning Please don't reply because it will be a negative moan[/p][/quote]LOL standard reply as you can't think of nothing else to say....LOL swwindon61uk
  • Score: -3

4:02pm Mon 14 Apr 14

smirg kcab says...

swwindon61uk wrote:
smirg kcab wrote:
swwindon61uk wrote:
MITTED wrote:
I do not condone booing of young players but Cooper was wrong to compare Smith's performance as being no different from other players on the day and therefore unfair. He totally ignores the fact that Smith's inability to control the ball happens every game. That is why fans are frustrated with him. If Cooper can't see that, then the future does not bode well.
COYR.
I am sure he does see it Mitted and i am sure he is not saying so publicly as not to lay the boot in totally.
AGAIN, Like he did against carlise lol, boot boot
People were frustrated with storey being dropped for a player who's gave nothing in most games, and doesn't look like he's going to improve.
Yep and Storey was a game changer and a big improvement on Smith when he came on wasn't he?????
Swindon won with Cooper in charge and Story not playing, really hurts you doesn't it.
Also IMHO if Storey is out of contract at the end of this season i can't see him getting a new one,not most want to hear but i honestly believe that.
Stop moaning
He brought gladwin (super striker) for smith didn't he.
I would have played smith with storey at the end
4-4-2 is more positive than 4-6-0
Your be the first to moan when storeys released.
I bet you don't sleep at night?
[quote][p][bold]swwindon61uk[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]smirg kcab[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]swwindon61uk[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]MITTED[/bold] wrote: I do not condone booing of young players but Cooper was wrong to compare Smith's performance as being no different from other players on the day and therefore unfair. He totally ignores the fact that Smith's inability to control the ball happens every game. That is why fans are frustrated with him. If Cooper can't see that, then the future does not bode well. COYR.[/p][/quote]I am sure he does see it Mitted and i am sure he is not saying so publicly as not to lay the boot in totally.[/p][/quote]AGAIN, Like he did against carlise lol, boot boot People were frustrated with storey being dropped for a player who's gave nothing in most games, and doesn't look like he's going to improve.[/p][/quote]Yep and Storey was a game changer and a big improvement on Smith when he came on wasn't he????? Swindon won with Cooper in charge and Story not playing, really hurts you doesn't it. Also IMHO if Storey is out of contract at the end of this season i can't see him getting a new one,not most want to hear but i honestly believe that.[/p][/quote]Stop moaning He brought gladwin (super striker) for smith didn't he. I would have played smith with storey at the end 4-4-2 is more positive than 4-6-0 Your be the first to moan when storeys released. I bet you don't sleep at night? smirg kcab
  • Score: -3

4:04pm Mon 14 Apr 14

MidlandRobin says...

Oi den, I acknowledge what you say about Cooper but I still can't see the reasons for your unbending support for him. Perhaps you could let us know what his best attributed are?
Oi den, I acknowledge what you say about Cooper but I still can't see the reasons for your unbending support for him. Perhaps you could let us know what his best attributed are? MidlandRobin
  • Score: 0

4:07pm Mon 14 Apr 14

swwindon61uk says...

smirg kcab wrote:
swwindon61uk wrote:
smirg kcab wrote:
swwindon61uk wrote:
MITTED wrote:
I do not condone booing of young players but Cooper was wrong to compare Smith's performance as being no different from other players on the day and therefore unfair. He totally ignores the fact that Smith's inability to control the ball happens every game. That is why fans are frustrated with him. If Cooper can't see that, then the future does not bode well.
COYR.
I am sure he does see it Mitted and i am sure he is not saying so publicly as not to lay the boot in totally.
AGAIN, Like he did against carlise lol, boot boot
People were frustrated with storey being dropped for a player who's gave nothing in most games, and doesn't look like he's going to improve.
Yep and Storey was a game changer and a big improvement on Smith when he came on wasn't he?????
Swindon won with Cooper in charge and Story not playing, really hurts you doesn't it.
Also IMHO if Storey is out of contract at the end of this season i can't see him getting a new one,not most want to hear but i honestly believe that.
Stop moaning
He brought gladwin (super striker) for smith didn't he.
I would have played smith with storey at the end
4-4-2 is more positive than 4-6-0
Your be the first to moan when storeys released.
I bet you don't sleep at night?
I won't be losing any Sleep if Story is released, i am one of the few that think he is being overated on here at times.
Would i keep him? yes i would as the back up striker in this moment in time.
[quote][p][bold]smirg kcab[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]swwindon61uk[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]smirg kcab[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]swwindon61uk[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]MITTED[/bold] wrote: I do not condone booing of young players but Cooper was wrong to compare Smith's performance as being no different from other players on the day and therefore unfair. He totally ignores the fact that Smith's inability to control the ball happens every game. That is why fans are frustrated with him. If Cooper can't see that, then the future does not bode well. COYR.[/p][/quote]I am sure he does see it Mitted and i am sure he is not saying so publicly as not to lay the boot in totally.[/p][/quote]AGAIN, Like he did against carlise lol, boot boot People were frustrated with storey being dropped for a player who's gave nothing in most games, and doesn't look like he's going to improve.[/p][/quote]Yep and Storey was a game changer and a big improvement on Smith when he came on wasn't he????? Swindon won with Cooper in charge and Story not playing, really hurts you doesn't it. Also IMHO if Storey is out of contract at the end of this season i can't see him getting a new one,not most want to hear but i honestly believe that.[/p][/quote]Stop moaning He brought gladwin (super striker) for smith didn't he. I would have played smith with storey at the end 4-4-2 is more positive than 4-6-0 Your be the first to moan when storeys released. I bet you don't sleep at night?[/p][/quote]I won't be losing any Sleep if Story is released, i am one of the few that think he is being overated on here at times. Would i keep him? yes i would as the back up striker in this moment in time. swwindon61uk
  • Score: 2

4:12pm Mon 14 Apr 14

London Red says...

swwindon61uk wrote:
London Red wrote:
Oi Den! wrote: Sorry LR but I just don't get this "We should have done this, that or the other", when we have just won a game. We won - that much is certain. We have no idea whether we'd have been better or worse - we might even have lost - with your suggestions. I thought we'd lose to Preston. Even after Cooper pulled that rabbit out of the hat, I thought Sheffield United would beat us. By the time Saturday came round, I was starting to get the message and thought "maybe we can get something from this". Lo and behold, we get another 3 points - and still people say we didn't get it right. My gast is well and truly flabbered.
Den if you take the attitude we won - so we can't complain about anything then you are on a hiding to nothing! . Brentford took the game to us and Cooper's changes were ineffective to stop it and we won purely down to 2 very poor finishes and an outstanding save from Wes . That won't happen every game - so I would expect Cooper to look at changing this to ensure we don't rely on others poor finish or Wes to bail us out every game! . I'm not taking anything away from the lads as it was a good perfromance - but that win could easily have not been one - so if they want to improve as footballers and challenge next term - they need to be able to look at all game sincluding wins and see what went wrong and how they can improve on that
And what about the easy chance Smith made and the missed penalty and others chance we had? They don't count as they don't support your line of thinking? To say we won was all down to Brentford's poor finishing is absolute cobblers, we fought an in form 2nd place team tooth and nail, the game could have gone either way yes, but it went our way and deservedly so.
All those incidents came way before the period I am talking about - in fact I think they were all before half time
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Had we taken them then of course the game would have changed and gone in a different manner
.
The point I was making is Brentford upped the game in the 2nd half and Cooper's changes had no effect in stopping the pressure building
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Anyone who tries to deny that is completely blind or unbelievably bias
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The misses by Bidwell and Tw.....ski were shocking to say the least!
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If we want to be successful - we shouldn't just pat ourselves on the back and say a wins a win - you look at how to improve and on another day we could have easily not won - so we should work on that to ensure that another day doesn't happen next game!
[quote][p][bold]swwindon61uk[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]London Red[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Oi Den![/bold] wrote: Sorry LR but I just don't get this "We should have done this, that or the other", when we have just won a game. We won - that much is certain. We have no idea whether we'd have been better or worse - we might even have lost - with your suggestions. I thought we'd lose to Preston. Even after Cooper pulled that rabbit out of the hat, I thought Sheffield United would beat us. By the time Saturday came round, I was starting to get the message and thought "maybe we can get something from this". Lo and behold, we get another 3 points - and still people say we didn't get it right. My gast is well and truly flabbered.[/p][/quote]Den if you take the attitude we won - so we can't complain about anything then you are on a hiding to nothing! . Brentford took the game to us and Cooper's changes were ineffective to stop it and we won purely down to 2 very poor finishes and an outstanding save from Wes . That won't happen every game - so I would expect Cooper to look at changing this to ensure we don't rely on others poor finish or Wes to bail us out every game! . I'm not taking anything away from the lads as it was a good perfromance - but that win could easily have not been one - so if they want to improve as footballers and challenge next term - they need to be able to look at all game sincluding wins and see what went wrong and how they can improve on that[/p][/quote]And what about the easy chance Smith made and the missed penalty and others chance we had? They don't count as they don't support your line of thinking? To say we won was all down to Brentford's poor finishing is absolute cobblers, we fought an in form 2nd place team tooth and nail, the game could have gone either way yes, but it went our way and deservedly so.[/p][/quote]All those incidents came way before the period I am talking about - in fact I think they were all before half time . Had we taken them then of course the game would have changed and gone in a different manner . The point I was making is Brentford upped the game in the 2nd half and Cooper's changes had no effect in stopping the pressure building . Anyone who tries to deny that is completely blind or unbelievably bias . The misses by Bidwell and Tw.....ski were shocking to say the least! . If we want to be successful - we shouldn't just pat ourselves on the back and say a wins a win - you look at how to improve and on another day we could have easily not won - so we should work on that to ensure that another day doesn't happen next game! London Red
  • Score: -6

4:14pm Mon 14 Apr 14

swwindon61uk says...

MidlandRobin wrote:
Oi den, I acknowledge what you say about Cooper but I still can't see the reasons for your unbending support for him. Perhaps you could let us know what his best attributed are?
Staving off the certain relegation most were saying was going to happen at the start of the season must be one of his attributes surely?
I like the fact he has finally turned negative football into good football, as the downer to that comment it took to long to do so IMHO.
It was clear Ward should have been dropped much longer before he was,but very rarely happens to a Captain does it.
I also like the way he handled the Ranger situation, down side to that i do not like it when he becomes embroiled with the fans, he has no need to, the season is speaking for itself.
The amount of complaining he is doing about the refs is also not helping us IMHO.
[quote][p][bold]MidlandRobin[/bold] wrote: Oi den, I acknowledge what you say about Cooper but I still can't see the reasons for your unbending support for him. Perhaps you could let us know what his best attributed are?[/p][/quote]Staving off the certain relegation most were saying was going to happen at the start of the season must be one of his attributes surely? I like the fact he has finally turned negative football into good football, as the downer to that comment it took to long to do so IMHO. It was clear Ward should have been dropped much longer before he was,but very rarely happens to a Captain does it. I also like the way he handled the Ranger situation, down side to that i do not like it when he becomes embroiled with the fans, he has no need to, the season is speaking for itself. The amount of complaining he is doing about the refs is also not helping us IMHO. swwindon61uk
  • Score: -1

4:22pm Mon 14 Apr 14

smirg kcab says...

swwindon61uk wrote:
MidlandRobin wrote:
Oi den, I acknowledge what you say about Cooper but I still can't see the reasons for your unbending support for him. Perhaps you could let us know what his best attributed are?
Staving off the certain relegation most were saying was going to happen at the start of the season must be one of his attributes surely?
I like the fact he has finally turned negative football into good football, as the downer to that comment it took to long to do so IMHO.
It was clear Ward should have been dropped much longer before he was,but very rarely happens to a Captain does it.
I also like the way he handled the Ranger situation, down side to that i do not like it when he becomes embroiled with the fans, he has no need to, the season is speaking for itself.
The amount of complaining he is doing about the refs is also not helping us IMHO.
It was clear that ward should have been dropped?
Well clear to a 7,600 die hards but not clear to your Jesus.
The same goes for hall, 7,600 die hards knows hall is rubbish and don't want him in our side.
[quote][p][bold]swwindon61uk[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]MidlandRobin[/bold] wrote: Oi den, I acknowledge what you say about Cooper but I still can't see the reasons for your unbending support for him. Perhaps you could let us know what his best attributed are?[/p][/quote]Staving off the certain relegation most were saying was going to happen at the start of the season must be one of his attributes surely? I like the fact he has finally turned negative football into good football, as the downer to that comment it took to long to do so IMHO. It was clear Ward should have been dropped much longer before he was,but very rarely happens to a Captain does it. I also like the way he handled the Ranger situation, down side to that i do not like it when he becomes embroiled with the fans, he has no need to, the season is speaking for itself. The amount of complaining he is doing about the refs is also not helping us IMHO.[/p][/quote]It was clear that ward should have been dropped? Well clear to a 7,600 die hards but not clear to your Jesus. The same goes for hall, 7,600 die hards knows hall is rubbish and don't want him in our side. smirg kcab
  • Score: -4

4:26pm Mon 14 Apr 14

MidlandRobin says...

swwindon61uk wrote:
MidlandRobin wrote:
Oi den, I acknowledge what you say about Cooper but I still can't see the reasons for your unbending support for him. Perhaps you could let us know what his best attributed are?
Staving off the certain relegation most were saying was going to happen at the start of the season must be one of his attributes surely?
I like the fact he has finally turned negative football into good football, as the downer to that comment it took to long to do so IMHO.
It was clear Ward should have been dropped much longer before he was,but very rarely happens to a Captain does it.
I also like the way he handled the Ranger situation, down side to that i do not like it when he becomes embroiled with the fans, he has no need to, the season is speaking for itself.
The amount of complaining he is doing about the refs is also not helping us IMHO.
Seems this is more negative than positive. Plus the first thing you said was a consequence not an attribute
[quote][p][bold]swwindon61uk[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]MidlandRobin[/bold] wrote: Oi den, I acknowledge what you say about Cooper but I still can't see the reasons for your unbending support for him. Perhaps you could let us know what his best attributed are?[/p][/quote]Staving off the certain relegation most were saying was going to happen at the start of the season must be one of his attributes surely? I like the fact he has finally turned negative football into good football, as the downer to that comment it took to long to do so IMHO. It was clear Ward should have been dropped much longer before he was,but very rarely happens to a Captain does it. I also like the way he handled the Ranger situation, down side to that i do not like it when he becomes embroiled with the fans, he has no need to, the season is speaking for itself. The amount of complaining he is doing about the refs is also not helping us IMHO.[/p][/quote]Seems this is more negative than positive. Plus the first thing you said was a consequence not an attribute MidlandRobin
  • Score: 1

4:43pm Mon 14 Apr 14

Oi Den! says...

MidlandRobin wrote:
Oi den, I acknowledge what you say about Cooper but I still can't see the reasons for your unbending support for him. Perhaps you could let us know what his best attributed are?
First of all MR, I'd say I would have had the utmost admiration for any manager who could get us to 7th in the table in our circumstances.

Cooper's best attributes? Realism has to be top of the list. He can see that he's been working with an average squad at best for most of the season, so he's cut his cloth accordingly. Also I think there's a mutual support between him and his players, which has shown up particularly in the performances they've been putting in for him since circumstances began to improve the ratio of our own players to those on loan. He's also managed the Ranger situation well. Early days admittedly, but "So far, so good" is my view. We may get the chance to judge him properly next season.

And what are the attributes that cause you to doubt him?

By the way, I do agree with Grim on the whingeing about refs. It's embarrassing (even if not quite as embarrassing as McCrory writing to the FA to ask them to stop those bigger boys picking on us).
[quote][p][bold]MidlandRobin[/bold] wrote: Oi den, I acknowledge what you say about Cooper but I still can't see the reasons for your unbending support for him. Perhaps you could let us know what his best attributed are?[/p][/quote]First of all MR, I'd say I would have had the utmost admiration for any manager who could get us to 7th in the table in our circumstances. Cooper's best attributes? Realism has to be top of the list. He can see that he's been working with an average squad at best for most of the season, so he's cut his cloth accordingly. Also I think there's a mutual support between him and his players, which has shown up particularly in the performances they've been putting in for him since circumstances began to improve the ratio of our own players to those on loan. He's also managed the Ranger situation well. Early days admittedly, but "So far, so good" is my view. We may get the chance to judge him properly next season. And what are the attributes that cause you to doubt him? By the way, I do agree with Grim on the whingeing about refs. It's embarrassing (even if not quite as embarrassing as McCrory writing to the FA to ask them to stop those bigger boys picking on us). Oi Den!
  • Score: -3

4:46pm Mon 14 Apr 14

Oi Den! says...

smirg kcab wrote:
swwindon61uk wrote:
MidlandRobin wrote:
Oi den, I acknowledge what you say about Cooper but I still can't see the reasons for your unbending support for him. Perhaps you could let us know what his best attributed are?
Staving off the certain relegation most were saying was going to happen at the start of the season must be one of his attributes surely?
I like the fact he has finally turned negative football into good football, as the downer to that comment it took to long to do so IMHO.
It was clear Ward should have been dropped much longer before he was,but very rarely happens to a Captain does it.
I also like the way he handled the Ranger situation, down side to that i do not like it when he becomes embroiled with the fans, he has no need to, the season is speaking for itself.
The amount of complaining he is doing about the refs is also not helping us IMHO.
It was clear that ward should have been dropped?
Well clear to a 7,600 die hards but not clear to your Jesus.
The same goes for hall, 7,600 die hards knows hall is rubbish and don't want him in our side.
Ah but Grim, how do you know Cooper wasn't feeling exactly the same way?
[quote][p][bold]smirg kcab[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]swwindon61uk[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]MidlandRobin[/bold] wrote: Oi den, I acknowledge what you say about Cooper but I still can't see the reasons for your unbending support for him. Perhaps you could let us know what his best attributed are?[/p][/quote]Staving off the certain relegation most were saying was going to happen at the start of the season must be one of his attributes surely? I like the fact he has finally turned negative football into good football, as the downer to that comment it took to long to do so IMHO. It was clear Ward should have been dropped much longer before he was,but very rarely happens to a Captain does it. I also like the way he handled the Ranger situation, down side to that i do not like it when he becomes embroiled with the fans, he has no need to, the season is speaking for itself. The amount of complaining he is doing about the refs is also not helping us IMHO.[/p][/quote]It was clear that ward should have been dropped? Well clear to a 7,600 die hards but not clear to your Jesus. The same goes for hall, 7,600 die hards knows hall is rubbish and don't want him in our side.[/p][/quote]Ah but Grim, how do you know Cooper wasn't feeling exactly the same way? Oi Den!
  • Score: -4

5:08pm Mon 14 Apr 14

smirg kcab says...

Oi Den! wrote:
smirg kcab wrote:
swwindon61uk wrote:
MidlandRobin wrote:
Oi den, I acknowledge what you say about Cooper but I still can't see the reasons for your unbending support for him. Perhaps you could let us know what his best attributed are?
Staving off the certain relegation most were saying was going to happen at the start of the season must be one of his attributes surely?
I like the fact he has finally turned negative football into good football, as the downer to that comment it took to long to do so IMHO.
It was clear Ward should have been dropped much longer before he was,but very rarely happens to a Captain does it.
I also like the way he handled the Ranger situation, down side to that i do not like it when he becomes embroiled with the fans, he has no need to, the season is speaking for itself.
The amount of complaining he is doing about the refs is also not helping us IMHO.
It was clear that ward should have been dropped?
Well clear to a 7,600 die hards but not clear to your Jesus.
The same goes for hall, 7,600 die hards knows hall is rubbish and don't want him in our side.
Ah but Grim, how do you know Cooper wasn't feeling exactly the same way?
I hope he is den, then he can walk away with his head held high.
I like cooper, but sometimes he contradicts most things he says.
You can't blame fans for smith poor ability to play football, when he crucified him and storey against carlise.
I'm like you didn't expect to beat brentford,Preston but I do/ did expect us to beat carlise,Colchester, Oldham and creepie or at least compete with these poor sides at the bottom. If cooper sorts his mistakes out we could be the team to beat next season ( only if ranger signs tho) he is sitting down today with power regarding next season. Just don't want to hear like he said in the January window we don't need anyone because it was plain obvious that ward has come to the end of playing and hall will not feature.
Think Stevens and troy has been the difference between 2nd and 7th
[quote][p][bold]Oi Den![/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]smirg kcab[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]swwindon61uk[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]MidlandRobin[/bold] wrote: Oi den, I acknowledge what you say about Cooper but I still can't see the reasons for your unbending support for him. Perhaps you could let us know what his best attributed are?[/p][/quote]Staving off the certain relegation most were saying was going to happen at the start of the season must be one of his attributes surely? I like the fact he has finally turned negative football into good football, as the downer to that comment it took to long to do so IMHO. It was clear Ward should have been dropped much longer before he was,but very rarely happens to a Captain does it. I also like the way he handled the Ranger situation, down side to that i do not like it when he becomes embroiled with the fans, he has no need to, the season is speaking for itself. The amount of complaining he is doing about the refs is also not helping us IMHO.[/p][/quote]It was clear that ward should have been dropped? Well clear to a 7,600 die hards but not clear to your Jesus. The same goes for hall, 7,600 die hards knows hall is rubbish and don't want him in our side.[/p][/quote]Ah but Grim, how do you know Cooper wasn't feeling exactly the same way?[/p][/quote]I hope he is den, then he can walk away with his head held high. I like cooper, but sometimes he contradicts most things he says. You can't blame fans for smith poor ability to play football, when he crucified him and storey against carlise. I'm like you didn't expect to beat brentford,Preston but I do/ did expect us to beat carlise,Colchester, Oldham and creepie or at least compete with these poor sides at the bottom. If cooper sorts his mistakes out we could be the team to beat next season ( only if ranger signs tho) he is sitting down today with power regarding next season. Just don't want to hear like he said in the January window we don't need anyone because it was plain obvious that ward has come to the end of playing and hall will not feature. Think Stevens and troy has been the difference between 2nd and 7th smirg kcab
  • Score: 2

5:21pm Mon 14 Apr 14

swwindon61uk says...

MidlandRobin wrote:
swwindon61uk wrote:
MidlandRobin wrote:
Oi den, I acknowledge what you say about Cooper but I still can't see the reasons for your unbending support for him. Perhaps you could let us know what his best attributed are?
Staving off the certain relegation most were saying was going to happen at the start of the season must be one of his attributes surely?
I like the fact he has finally turned negative football into good football, as the downer to that comment it took to long to do so IMHO.
It was clear Ward should have been dropped much longer before he was,but very rarely happens to a Captain does it.
I also like the way he handled the Ranger situation, down side to that i do not like it when he becomes embroiled with the fans, he has no need to, the season is speaking for itself.
The amount of complaining he is doing about the refs is also not helping us IMHO.
Seems this is more negative than positive. Plus the first thing you said was a consequence not an attribute
I was putting in some negatives as it is clearly forbidden to post anything positive about the guy!
It is just what i feel, like i said i think he has done well but has done things i do not agree with,but i can say the same for every manager we have had here since i started supporting them in 1969, you can not please everyone as a manager, it is impossible.
[quote][p][bold]MidlandRobin[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]swwindon61uk[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]MidlandRobin[/bold] wrote: Oi den, I acknowledge what you say about Cooper but I still can't see the reasons for your unbending support for him. Perhaps you could let us know what his best attributed are?[/p][/quote]Staving off the certain relegation most were saying was going to happen at the start of the season must be one of his attributes surely? I like the fact he has finally turned negative football into good football, as the downer to that comment it took to long to do so IMHO. It was clear Ward should have been dropped much longer before he was,but very rarely happens to a Captain does it. I also like the way he handled the Ranger situation, down side to that i do not like it when he becomes embroiled with the fans, he has no need to, the season is speaking for itself. The amount of complaining he is doing about the refs is also not helping us IMHO.[/p][/quote]Seems this is more negative than positive. Plus the first thing you said was a consequence not an attribute[/p][/quote]I was putting in some negatives as it is clearly forbidden to post anything positive about the guy! It is just what i feel, like i said i think he has done well but has done things i do not agree with,but i can say the same for every manager we have had here since i started supporting them in 1969, you can not please everyone as a manager, it is impossible. swwindon61uk
  • Score: -4

5:22pm Mon 14 Apr 14

swwindon61uk says...

Oi Den! wrote:
MidlandRobin wrote:
Oi den, I acknowledge what you say about Cooper but I still can't see the reasons for your unbending support for him. Perhaps you could let us know what his best attributed are?
First of all MR, I'd say I would have had the utmost admiration for any manager who could get us to 7th in the table in our circumstances.

Cooper's best attributes? Realism has to be top of the list. He can see that he's been working with an average squad at best for most of the season, so he's cut his cloth accordingly. Also I think there's a mutual support between him and his players, which has shown up particularly in the performances they've been putting in for him since circumstances began to improve the ratio of our own players to those on loan. He's also managed the Ranger situation well. Early days admittedly, but "So far, so good" is my view. We may get the chance to judge him properly next season.

And what are the attributes that cause you to doubt him?

By the way, I do agree with Grim on the whingeing about refs. It's embarrassing (even if not quite as embarrassing as McCrory writing to the FA to ask them to stop those bigger boys picking on us).
It was me that said about the refs Den.
[quote][p][bold]Oi Den![/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]MidlandRobin[/bold] wrote: Oi den, I acknowledge what you say about Cooper but I still can't see the reasons for your unbending support for him. Perhaps you could let us know what his best attributed are?[/p][/quote]First of all MR, I'd say I would have had the utmost admiration for any manager who could get us to 7th in the table in our circumstances. Cooper's best attributes? Realism has to be top of the list. He can see that he's been working with an average squad at best for most of the season, so he's cut his cloth accordingly. Also I think there's a mutual support between him and his players, which has shown up particularly in the performances they've been putting in for him since circumstances began to improve the ratio of our own players to those on loan. He's also managed the Ranger situation well. Early days admittedly, but "So far, so good" is my view. We may get the chance to judge him properly next season. And what are the attributes that cause you to doubt him? By the way, I do agree with Grim on the whingeing about refs. It's embarrassing (even if not quite as embarrassing as McCrory writing to the FA to ask them to stop those bigger boys picking on us).[/p][/quote]It was me that said about the refs Den. swwindon61uk
  • Score: -3

5:23pm Mon 14 Apr 14

swwindon61uk says...

smirg kcab wrote:
swwindon61uk wrote:
MidlandRobin wrote:
Oi den, I acknowledge what you say about Cooper but I still can't see the reasons for your unbending support for him. Perhaps you could let us know what his best attributed are?
Staving off the certain relegation most were saying was going to happen at the start of the season must be one of his attributes surely?
I like the fact he has finally turned negative football into good football, as the downer to that comment it took to long to do so IMHO.
It was clear Ward should have been dropped much longer before he was,but very rarely happens to a Captain does it.
I also like the way he handled the Ranger situation, down side to that i do not like it when he becomes embroiled with the fans, he has no need to, the season is speaking for itself.
The amount of complaining he is doing about the refs is also not helping us IMHO.
It was clear that ward should have been dropped?
Well clear to a 7,600 die hards but not clear to your Jesus.
The same goes for hall, 7,600 die hards knows hall is rubbish and don't want him in our side.
I will hold on Hall also, i think he could thrive in a back CB 3 with Troy and Branco if Stephens is not re-signed.
[quote][p][bold]smirg kcab[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]swwindon61uk[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]MidlandRobin[/bold] wrote: Oi den, I acknowledge what you say about Cooper but I still can't see the reasons for your unbending support for him. Perhaps you could let us know what his best attributed are?[/p][/quote]Staving off the certain relegation most were saying was going to happen at the start of the season must be one of his attributes surely? I like the fact he has finally turned negative football into good football, as the downer to that comment it took to long to do so IMHO. It was clear Ward should have been dropped much longer before he was,but very rarely happens to a Captain does it. I also like the way he handled the Ranger situation, down side to that i do not like it when he becomes embroiled with the fans, he has no need to, the season is speaking for itself. The amount of complaining he is doing about the refs is also not helping us IMHO.[/p][/quote]It was clear that ward should have been dropped? Well clear to a 7,600 die hards but not clear to your Jesus. The same goes for hall, 7,600 die hards knows hall is rubbish and don't want him in our side.[/p][/quote]I will hold on Hall also, i think he could thrive in a back CB 3 with Troy and Branco if Stephens is not re-signed. swwindon61uk
  • Score: 0

5:43pm Mon 14 Apr 14

ciclosporindorset says...

I daresay I shall get crucified for saying this, but it seems to me that any fan, paying or otherwise can criticise players and manager for poor performances that lead to a win or a defeat. And, they have every right to crucify an individual if they want. And, that individual surely already knows if the game is not panning out for them. And, everyone else does too. Is it not possible that if some fan or other knows they have the right to pay their money, turn up and crucify a player or a manager, knowing that it is probably counter productive in terms of performance, that they actually hold back a bit and choose, yes choose, not to be so outwardly critical in the better interests of everyone who supports stfc?
I daresay I shall get crucified for saying this, but it seems to me that any fan, paying or otherwise can criticise players and manager for poor performances that lead to a win or a defeat. And, they have every right to crucify an individual if they want. And, that individual surely already knows if the game is not panning out for them. And, everyone else does too. Is it not possible that if some fan or other knows they have the right to pay their money, turn up and crucify a player or a manager, knowing that it is probably counter productive in terms of performance, that they actually hold back a bit and choose, yes choose, not to be so outwardly critical in the better interests of everyone who supports stfc? ciclosporindorset
  • Score: -4

5:57pm Mon 14 Apr 14

Oxon-Red says...

smirg kcab wrote:
swwindon61uk wrote:
smirg kcab wrote: It's remarks that cooper gives that winds fans up. Smith lost his confidence when he slaughtered him to the media after the carlise game with storey being made the scapegoat. Booing Macca who gave 100% to this club is no different from booing smith in my book so you should all start to have a look at yourselves and be ashamed. Just a thought
Not as much as being ashamed of giving a manager credit, whether you like him or not, in the near miracle he has performed. I have had an open mind about Cooper all season but now to me it plain to see he has grown in the role as manager as the season has gone on and that is due to the fact he finally worked out a system and the players he wants in that system regardless whether ALL the players are to all of our liking or not. I did not boo McCormack or Douglas but i'd rather a Swindon crowd boo an opposition player than one of our own. The applause Smith got when he got subbed speaks volumes of what most of our support is like thankfully.
Think cooper has done a great job with his hands tied, But as a paying customers( whose always right ) i/ we can say do what they want. If you go and read your one sided post you are the worst moaner who moans about people moaning. So stop moaning Please don't reply because it will be a negative moan
I am a paying customer at my local and I told the landlord I wanted to be served by a young lady that would bring the drinks out for me.

He told me to...

COYMR
[quote][p][bold]smirg kcab[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]swwindon61uk[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]smirg kcab[/bold] wrote: It's remarks that cooper gives that winds fans up. Smith lost his confidence when he slaughtered him to the media after the carlise game with storey being made the scapegoat. Booing Macca who gave 100% to this club is no different from booing smith in my book so you should all start to have a look at yourselves and be ashamed. Just a thought[/p][/quote]Not as much as being ashamed of giving a manager credit, whether you like him or not, in the near miracle he has performed. I have had an open mind about Cooper all season but now to me it plain to see he has grown in the role as manager as the season has gone on and that is due to the fact he finally worked out a system and the players he wants in that system regardless whether ALL the players are to all of our liking or not. I did not boo McCormack or Douglas but i'd rather a Swindon crowd boo an opposition player than one of our own. The applause Smith got when he got subbed speaks volumes of what most of our support is like thankfully.[/p][/quote]Think cooper has done a great job with his hands tied, But as a paying customers( whose always right ) i/ we can say do what they want. If you go and read your one sided post you are the worst moaner who moans about people moaning. So stop moaning Please don't reply because it will be a negative moan[/p][/quote]I am a paying customer at my local and I told the landlord I wanted to be served by a young lady that would bring the drinks out for me. He told me to... COYMR Oxon-Red
  • Score: -5

6:04pm Mon 14 Apr 14

dazzastfc says...

LionelHutz wrote:
I agree with Cooper's comments about the fans. There were people around me having a constant go at Michael Smith on Saturday. Yes he was having a bad game but he's a young lad still learning the trade and shouting abuse at him is not going to help the situation.

I also cannot fathom why Cooper gets so much stick from our fans. 7th in the league. Yes, that's SEVENTH in the league when most, including me, thought we would be relegated by now when predicting our chances at the start of the season.

Everyone is of course entitled to their opinion, but a reality check is required by some.

PS Fantastic battling performance and result on Saturday. Bodes well for next season.
I also cannot fathom why Cooper gets so much stick from our fans. 7th in the league.

It might be the 15 game bad run we had were the team and himself looked lost..Tactics were very strange and never had a clue in what to do..Plus blaming others all the time when we were awful...

We have seen the team play some fantastic football this season and we have al so left the ground scratching are heads wondering how the sudden turn in form...
[quote][p][bold]LionelHutz[/bold] wrote: I agree with Cooper's comments about the fans. There were people around me having a constant go at Michael Smith on Saturday. Yes he was having a bad game but he's a young lad still learning the trade and shouting abuse at him is not going to help the situation. I also cannot fathom why Cooper gets so much stick from our fans. 7th in the league. Yes, that's SEVENTH in the league when most, including me, thought we would be relegated by now when predicting our chances at the start of the season. Everyone is of course entitled to their opinion, but a reality check is required by some. PS Fantastic battling performance and result on Saturday. Bodes well for next season.[/p][/quote]I also cannot fathom why Cooper gets so much stick from our fans. 7th in the league. It might be the 15 game bad run we had were the team and himself looked lost..Tactics were very strange and never had a clue in what to do..Plus blaming others all the time when we were awful... We have seen the team play some fantastic football this season and we have al so left the ground scratching are heads wondering how the sudden turn in form... dazzastfc
  • Score: 0

6:50pm Mon 14 Apr 14

smirg kcab says...

Oxon-Red wrote:
smirg kcab wrote:
swwindon61uk wrote:
smirg kcab wrote: It's remarks that cooper gives that winds fans up. Smith lost his confidence when he slaughtered him to the media after the carlise game with storey being made the scapegoat. Booing Macca who gave 100% to this club is no different from booing smith in my book so you should all start to have a look at yourselves and be ashamed. Just a thought
Not as much as being ashamed of giving a manager credit, whether you like him or not, in the near miracle he has performed. I have had an open mind about Cooper all season but now to me it plain to see he has grown in the role as manager as the season has gone on and that is due to the fact he finally worked out a system and the players he wants in that system regardless whether ALL the players are to all of our liking or not. I did not boo McCormack or Douglas but i'd rather a Swindon crowd boo an opposition player than one of our own. The applause Smith got when he got subbed speaks volumes of what most of our support is like thankfully.
Think cooper has done a great job with his hands tied, But as a paying customers( whose always right ) i/ we can say do what they want. If you go and read your one sided post you are the worst moaner who moans about people moaning. So stop moaning Please don't reply because it will be a negative moan
I am a paying customer at my local and I told the landlord I wanted to be served by a young lady that would bring the drinks out for me.

He told me to...

COYMR
That's where you went wrong they are not paid to bring drinks to you they are paid to serve good beer ( which I'm sure you got) and if you didn't get a good pint or the wrong one you would have every right to complain after all that's what you paid your money for and not for some oxford **** in ripped stockings to serve you, you feminist
[quote][p][bold]Oxon-Red[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]smirg kcab[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]swwindon61uk[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]smirg kcab[/bold] wrote: It's remarks that cooper gives that winds fans up. Smith lost his confidence when he slaughtered him to the media after the carlise game with storey being made the scapegoat. Booing Macca who gave 100% to this club is no different from booing smith in my book so you should all start to have a look at yourselves and be ashamed. Just a thought[/p][/quote]Not as much as being ashamed of giving a manager credit, whether you like him or not, in the near miracle he has performed. I have had an open mind about Cooper all season but now to me it plain to see he has grown in the role as manager as the season has gone on and that is due to the fact he finally worked out a system and the players he wants in that system regardless whether ALL the players are to all of our liking or not. I did not boo McCormack or Douglas but i'd rather a Swindon crowd boo an opposition player than one of our own. The applause Smith got when he got subbed speaks volumes of what most of our support is like thankfully.[/p][/quote]Think cooper has done a great job with his hands tied, But as a paying customers( whose always right ) i/ we can say do what they want. If you go and read your one sided post you are the worst moaner who moans about people moaning. So stop moaning Please don't reply because it will be a negative moan[/p][/quote]I am a paying customer at my local and I told the landlord I wanted to be served by a young lady that would bring the drinks out for me. He told me to... COYMR[/p][/quote]That's where you went wrong they are not paid to bring drinks to you they are paid to serve good beer ( which I'm sure you got) and if you didn't get a good pint or the wrong one you would have every right to complain after all that's what you paid your money for and not for some oxford **** in ripped stockings to serve you, you feminist smirg kcab
  • Score: -4

7:07pm Mon 14 Apr 14

Oi Den! says...

swwindon61uk wrote:
Oi Den! wrote:
MidlandRobin wrote:
Oi den, I acknowledge what you say about Cooper but I still can't see the reasons for your unbending support for him. Perhaps you could let us know what his best attributed are?
First of all MR, I'd say I would have had the utmost admiration for any manager who could get us to 7th in the table in our circumstances.

Cooper's best attributes? Realism has to be top of the list. He can see that he's been working with an average squad at best for most of the season, so he's cut his cloth accordingly. Also I think there's a mutual support between him and his players, which has shown up particularly in the performances they've been putting in for him since circumstances began to improve the ratio of our own players to those on loan. He's also managed the Ranger situation well. Early days admittedly, but "So far, so good" is my view. We may get the chance to judge him properly next season.

And what are the attributes that cause you to doubt him?

By the way, I do agree with Grim on the whingeing about refs. It's embarrassing (even if not quite as embarrassing as McCrory writing to the FA to ask them to stop those bigger boys picking on us).
It was me that said about the refs Den.
Yes, sorry 61. Lost my way a bit there.
[quote][p][bold]swwindon61uk[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Oi Den![/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]MidlandRobin[/bold] wrote: Oi den, I acknowledge what you say about Cooper but I still can't see the reasons for your unbending support for him. Perhaps you could let us know what his best attributed are?[/p][/quote]First of all MR, I'd say I would have had the utmost admiration for any manager who could get us to 7th in the table in our circumstances. Cooper's best attributes? Realism has to be top of the list. He can see that he's been working with an average squad at best for most of the season, so he's cut his cloth accordingly. Also I think there's a mutual support between him and his players, which has shown up particularly in the performances they've been putting in for him since circumstances began to improve the ratio of our own players to those on loan. He's also managed the Ranger situation well. Early days admittedly, but "So far, so good" is my view. We may get the chance to judge him properly next season. And what are the attributes that cause you to doubt him? By the way, I do agree with Grim on the whingeing about refs. It's embarrassing (even if not quite as embarrassing as McCrory writing to the FA to ask them to stop those bigger boys picking on us).[/p][/quote]It was me that said about the refs Den.[/p][/quote]Yes, sorry 61. Lost my way a bit there. Oi Den!
  • Score: -2

7:22pm Mon 14 Apr 14

Oxon-Red says...

smirg kcab wrote:
Oxon-Red wrote:
smirg kcab wrote:
swwindon61uk wrote:
smirg kcab wrote: It's remarks that cooper gives that winds fans up. Smith lost his confidence when he slaughtered him to the media after the carlise game with storey being made the scapegoat. Booing Macca who gave 100% to this club is no different from booing smith in my book so you should all start to have a look at yourselves and be ashamed. Just a thought
Not as much as being ashamed of giving a manager credit, whether you like him or not, in the near miracle he has performed. I have had an open mind about Cooper all season but now to me it plain to see he has grown in the role as manager as the season has gone on and that is due to the fact he finally worked out a system and the players he wants in that system regardless whether ALL the players are to all of our liking or not. I did not boo McCormack or Douglas but i'd rather a Swindon crowd boo an opposition player than one of our own. The applause Smith got when he got subbed speaks volumes of what most of our support is like thankfully.
Think cooper has done a great job with his hands tied, But as a paying customers( whose always right ) i/ we can say do what they want. If you go and read your one sided post you are the worst moaner who moans about people moaning. So stop moaning Please don't reply because it will be a negative moan
I am a paying customer at my local and I told the landlord I wanted to be served by a young lady that would bring the drinks out for me.

He told me to...

COYMR
That's where you went wrong they are not paid to bring drinks to you they are paid to serve good beer ( which I'm sure you got) and if you didn't get a good pint or the wrong one you would have every right to complain after all that's what you paid your money for and not for some oxford **** in ripped stockings to serve you, you feminist
But I want more than a good pint and a hairy r'sssd barman serving me. I don't want to change my local so I better start shouting insults at people.
[quote][p][bold]smirg kcab[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Oxon-Red[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]smirg kcab[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]swwindon61uk[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]smirg kcab[/bold] wrote: It's remarks that cooper gives that winds fans up. Smith lost his confidence when he slaughtered him to the media after the carlise game with storey being made the scapegoat. Booing Macca who gave 100% to this club is no different from booing smith in my book so you should all start to have a look at yourselves and be ashamed. Just a thought[/p][/quote]Not as much as being ashamed of giving a manager credit, whether you like him or not, in the near miracle he has performed. I have had an open mind about Cooper all season but now to me it plain to see he has grown in the role as manager as the season has gone on and that is due to the fact he finally worked out a system and the players he wants in that system regardless whether ALL the players are to all of our liking or not. I did not boo McCormack or Douglas but i'd rather a Swindon crowd boo an opposition player than one of our own. The applause Smith got when he got subbed speaks volumes of what most of our support is like thankfully.[/p][/quote]Think cooper has done a great job with his hands tied, But as a paying customers( whose always right ) i/ we can say do what they want. If you go and read your one sided post you are the worst moaner who moans about people moaning. So stop moaning Please don't reply because it will be a negative moan[/p][/quote]I am a paying customer at my local and I told the landlord I wanted to be served by a young lady that would bring the drinks out for me. He told me to... COYMR[/p][/quote]That's where you went wrong they are not paid to bring drinks to you they are paid to serve good beer ( which I'm sure you got) and if you didn't get a good pint or the wrong one you would have every right to complain after all that's what you paid your money for and not for some oxford **** in ripped stockings to serve you, you feminist[/p][/quote]But I want more than a good pint and a hairy r'sssd barman serving me. I don't want to change my local so I better start shouting insults at people. Oxon-Red
  • Score: -4

7:26pm Mon 14 Apr 14

smirg kcab says...

Oxon-Red wrote:
smirg kcab wrote:
Oxon-Red wrote:
smirg kcab wrote:
swwindon61uk wrote:
smirg kcab wrote: It's remarks that cooper gives that winds fans up. Smith lost his confidence when he slaughtered him to the media after the carlise game with storey being made the scapegoat. Booing Macca who gave 100% to this club is no different from booing smith in my book so you should all start to have a look at yourselves and be ashamed. Just a thought
Not as much as being ashamed of giving a manager credit, whether you like him or not, in the near miracle he has performed. I have had an open mind about Cooper all season but now to me it plain to see he has grown in the role as manager as the season has gone on and that is due to the fact he finally worked out a system and the players he wants in that system regardless whether ALL the players are to all of our liking or not. I did not boo McCormack or Douglas but i'd rather a Swindon crowd boo an opposition player than one of our own. The applause Smith got when he got subbed speaks volumes of what most of our support is like thankfully.
Think cooper has done a great job with his hands tied, But as a paying customers( whose always right ) i/ we can say do what they want. If you go and read your one sided post you are the worst moaner who moans about people moaning. So stop moaning Please don't reply because it will be a negative moan
I am a paying customer at my local and I told the landlord I wanted to be served by a young lady that would bring the drinks out for me.

He told me to...

COYMR
That's where you went wrong they are not paid to bring drinks to you they are paid to serve good beer ( which I'm sure you got) and if you didn't get a good pint or the wrong one you would have every right to complain after all that's what you paid your money for and not for some oxford **** in ripped stockings to serve you, you feminist
But I want more than a good pint and a hairy r'sssd barman serving me. I don't want to change my local so I better start shouting insults at people.
So you drink in pink rooms?
[quote][p][bold]Oxon-Red[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]smirg kcab[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Oxon-Red[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]smirg kcab[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]swwindon61uk[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]smirg kcab[/bold] wrote: It's remarks that cooper gives that winds fans up. Smith lost his confidence when he slaughtered him to the media after the carlise game with storey being made the scapegoat. Booing Macca who gave 100% to this club is no different from booing smith in my book so you should all start to have a look at yourselves and be ashamed. Just a thought[/p][/quote]Not as much as being ashamed of giving a manager credit, whether you like him or not, in the near miracle he has performed. I have had an open mind about Cooper all season but now to me it plain to see he has grown in the role as manager as the season has gone on and that is due to the fact he finally worked out a system and the players he wants in that system regardless whether ALL the players are to all of our liking or not. I did not boo McCormack or Douglas but i'd rather a Swindon crowd boo an opposition player than one of our own. The applause Smith got when he got subbed speaks volumes of what most of our support is like thankfully.[/p][/quote]Think cooper has done a great job with his hands tied, But as a paying customers( whose always right ) i/ we can say do what they want. If you go and read your one sided post you are the worst moaner who moans about people moaning. So stop moaning Please don't reply because it will be a negative moan[/p][/quote]I am a paying customer at my local and I told the landlord I wanted to be served by a young lady that would bring the drinks out for me. He told me to... COYMR[/p][/quote]That's where you went wrong they are not paid to bring drinks to you they are paid to serve good beer ( which I'm sure you got) and if you didn't get a good pint or the wrong one you would have every right to complain after all that's what you paid your money for and not for some oxford **** in ripped stockings to serve you, you feminist[/p][/quote]But I want more than a good pint and a hairy r'sssd barman serving me. I don't want to change my local so I better start shouting insults at people.[/p][/quote]So you drink in pink rooms? smirg kcab
  • Score: 0

10:20pm Mon 14 Apr 14

TheDukeOfBanbury says...

Leave the moans to after the game.
For 90 mins encourage the players.
You just never know you may make a difference.
Leave the moans to after the game. For 90 mins encourage the players. You just never know you may make a difference. TheDukeOfBanbury
  • Score: 5

10:46pm Mon 14 Apr 14

Oxon-Red says...

smirg kcab wrote:
Oxon-Red wrote:
smirg kcab wrote:
Oxon-Red wrote:
smirg kcab wrote:
swwindon61uk wrote:
smirg kcab wrote: It's remarks that cooper gives that winds fans up. Smith lost his confidence when he slaughtered him to the media after the carlise game with storey being made the scapegoat. Booing Macca who gave 100% to this club is no different from booing smith in my book so you should all start to have a look at yourselves and be ashamed. Just a thought
Not as much as being ashamed of giving a manager credit, whether you like him or not, in the near miracle he has performed. I have had an open mind about Cooper all season but now to me it plain to see he has grown in the role as manager as the season has gone on and that is due to the fact he finally worked out a system and the players he wants in that system regardless whether ALL the players are to all of our liking or not. I did not boo McCormack or Douglas but i'd rather a Swindon crowd boo an opposition player than one of our own. The applause Smith got when he got subbed speaks volumes of what most of our support is like thankfully.
Think cooper has done a great job with his hands tied, But as a paying customers( whose always right ) i/ we can say do what they want. If you go and read your one sided post you are the worst moaner who moans about people moaning. So stop moaning Please don't reply because it will be a negative moan
I am a paying customer at my local and I told the landlord I wanted to be served by a young lady that would bring the drinks out for me.

He told me to...

COYMR
That's where you went wrong they are not paid to bring drinks to you they are paid to serve good beer ( which I'm sure you got) and if you didn't get a good pint or the wrong one you would have every right to complain after all that's what you paid your money for and not for some oxford **** in ripped stockings to serve you, you feminist
But I want more than a good pint and a hairy r'sssd barman serving me. I don't want to change my local so I better start shouting insults at people.
So you drink in pink rooms?
I think it is painted Magnolia.
[quote][p][bold]smirg kcab[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Oxon-Red[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]smirg kcab[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Oxon-Red[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]smirg kcab[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]swwindon61uk[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]smirg kcab[/bold] wrote: It's remarks that cooper gives that winds fans up. Smith lost his confidence when he slaughtered him to the media after the carlise game with storey being made the scapegoat. Booing Macca who gave 100% to this club is no different from booing smith in my book so you should all start to have a look at yourselves and be ashamed. Just a thought[/p][/quote]Not as much as being ashamed of giving a manager credit, whether you like him or not, in the near miracle he has performed. I have had an open mind about Cooper all season but now to me it plain to see he has grown in the role as manager as the season has gone on and that is due to the fact he finally worked out a system and the players he wants in that system regardless whether ALL the players are to all of our liking or not. I did not boo McCormack or Douglas but i'd rather a Swindon crowd boo an opposition player than one of our own. The applause Smith got when he got subbed speaks volumes of what most of our support is like thankfully.[/p][/quote]Think cooper has done a great job with his hands tied, But as a paying customers( whose always right ) i/ we can say do what they want. If you go and read your one sided post you are the worst moaner who moans about people moaning. So stop moaning Please don't reply because it will be a negative moan[/p][/quote]I am a paying customer at my local and I told the landlord I wanted to be served by a young lady that would bring the drinks out for me. He told me to... COYMR[/p][/quote]That's where you went wrong they are not paid to bring drinks to you they are paid to serve good beer ( which I'm sure you got) and if you didn't get a good pint or the wrong one you would have every right to complain after all that's what you paid your money for and not for some oxford **** in ripped stockings to serve you, you feminist[/p][/quote]But I want more than a good pint and a hairy r'sssd barman serving me. I don't want to change my local so I better start shouting insults at people.[/p][/quote]So you drink in pink rooms?[/p][/quote]I think it is painted Magnolia. Oxon-Red
  • Score: 0

10:34am Tue 15 Apr 14

Redgollum says...

mancrobin wrote:
ShearerShearer wrote:
Redgollum wrote:
I do agree that fans should support the players. But they, as a body, sense who is good & who is bad. They pay their money & have a right to their opinion. They, individually, have no say, but a lot together can make their opinions known. The management would do well to listen to them. Thousands of thoughts against 1 man's ideas. These fans have watched games throughout their lives, so know a bit.
It's the way in which some fans "voice" their opinion that I find unnecessary.

Groaning in frustration because a player didn't acheive what he or we hoped is different to verbally abusing a player with a torrent of foul words or booing them which is not imho the way to encourage your team.
I totally agree Shearer. Of course, we all get frustrated and are certainly entitled to our opinion having forked out to watch the game but the level of nasty abuse aimed at our own team is quite shameful.
If a player is not contributing, then, if the manager persists with him & the fans can see the game at risk, then they have a right to make their feelings known. They have no other way of doing it. To wait & comment afterwards could be meaning lost points which could have been recovered.
It's the personal abuse that is the issue.

Maybe we could come up with a chant, something like "Get him off, get him off, get him off! Replace him." As per the woodpecker song! That wouldn't be abusive but would let the manager know what the fans think! I firmly believe, that in unison, the fans know how the game is going better than the manager.
[quote][p][bold]mancrobin[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ShearerShearer[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Redgollum[/bold] wrote: I do agree that fans should support the players. But they, as a body, sense who is good & who is bad. They pay their money & have a right to their opinion. They, individually, have no say, but a lot together can make their opinions known. The management would do well to listen to them. Thousands of thoughts against 1 man's ideas. These fans have watched games throughout their lives, so know a bit.[/p][/quote]It's the way in which some fans "voice" their opinion that I find unnecessary. Groaning in frustration because a player didn't acheive what he or we hoped is different to verbally abusing a player with a torrent of foul words or booing them which is not imho the way to encourage your team.[/p][/quote]I totally agree Shearer. Of course, we all get frustrated and are certainly entitled to our opinion having forked out to watch the game but the level of nasty abuse aimed at our own team is quite shameful.[/p][/quote]If a player is not contributing, then, if the manager persists with him & the fans can see the game at risk, then they have a right to make their feelings known. They have no other way of doing it. To wait & comment afterwards could be meaning lost points which could have been recovered. It's the personal abuse that is the issue. Maybe we could come up with a chant, something like "Get him off, get him off, get him off! Replace him." As per the woodpecker song! That wouldn't be abusive but would let the manager know what the fans think! I firmly believe, that in unison, the fans know how the game is going better than the manager. Redgollum
  • Score: 0

2:09pm Tue 15 Apr 14

Oxon-Red says...

Redgollum wrote:
mancrobin wrote:
ShearerShearer wrote:
Redgollum wrote: I do agree that fans should support the players. But they, as a body, sense who is good & who is bad. They pay their money & have a right to their opinion. They, individually, have no say, but a lot together can make their opinions known. The management would do well to listen to them. Thousands of thoughts against 1 man's ideas. These fans have watched games throughout their lives, so know a bit.
It's the way in which some fans "voice" their opinion that I find unnecessary. Groaning in frustration because a player didn't acheive what he or we hoped is different to verbally abusing a player with a torrent of foul words or booing them which is not imho the way to encourage your team.
I totally agree Shearer. Of course, we all get frustrated and are certainly entitled to our opinion having forked out to watch the game but the level of nasty abuse aimed at our own team is quite shameful.
If a player is not contributing, then, if the manager persists with him & the fans can see the game at risk, then they have a right to make their feelings known. They have no other way of doing it. To wait & comment afterwards could be meaning lost points which could have been recovered. It's the personal abuse that is the issue. Maybe we could come up with a chant, something like "Get him off, get him off, get him off! Replace him." As per the woodpecker song! That wouldn't be abusive but would let the manager know what the fans think! I firmly believe, that in unison, the fans know how the game is going better than the manager.
All fans or a section of the more vocal fans ?

Some fans may have been happy with his contribution on Saturday.

I always thought the manager was paid to make substituiton decisions, not the fans.

COYMR
[quote][p][bold]Redgollum[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mancrobin[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ShearerShearer[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Redgollum[/bold] wrote: I do agree that fans should support the players. But they, as a body, sense who is good & who is bad. They pay their money & have a right to their opinion. They, individually, have no say, but a lot together can make their opinions known. The management would do well to listen to them. Thousands of thoughts against 1 man's ideas. These fans have watched games throughout their lives, so know a bit.[/p][/quote]It's the way in which some fans "voice" their opinion that I find unnecessary. Groaning in frustration because a player didn't acheive what he or we hoped is different to verbally abusing a player with a torrent of foul words or booing them which is not imho the way to encourage your team.[/p][/quote]I totally agree Shearer. Of course, we all get frustrated and are certainly entitled to our opinion having forked out to watch the game but the level of nasty abuse aimed at our own team is quite shameful.[/p][/quote]If a player is not contributing, then, if the manager persists with him & the fans can see the game at risk, then they have a right to make their feelings known. They have no other way of doing it. To wait & comment afterwards could be meaning lost points which could have been recovered. It's the personal abuse that is the issue. Maybe we could come up with a chant, something like "Get him off, get him off, get him off! Replace him." As per the woodpecker song! That wouldn't be abusive but would let the manager know what the fans think! I firmly believe, that in unison, the fans know how the game is going better than the manager.[/p][/quote]All fans or a section of the more vocal fans ? Some fans may have been happy with his contribution on Saturday. I always thought the manager was paid to make substituiton decisions, not the fans. COYMR Oxon-Red
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7:30pm Tue 15 Apr 14

Redgollum says...

The fans are the lifeblood of football, They have hundreds of games behind them. If they are not happy then they can show it in the only way they can. Who pays the manager's salary?
The fans are the lifeblood of football, They have hundreds of games behind them. If they are not happy then they can show it in the only way they can. Who pays the manager's salary? Redgollum
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7:56pm Tue 15 Apr 14

mancrobin says...

Redgollum wrote:
mancrobin wrote:
ShearerShearer wrote:
Redgollum wrote:
I do agree that fans should support the players. But they, as a body, sense who is good & who is bad. They pay their money & have a right to their opinion. They, individually, have no say, but a lot together can make their opinions known. The management would do well to listen to them. Thousands of thoughts against 1 man's ideas. These fans have watched games throughout their lives, so know a bit.
It's the way in which some fans "voice" their opinion that I find unnecessary.

Groaning in frustration because a player didn't acheive what he or we hoped is different to verbally abusing a player with a torrent of foul words or booing them which is not imho the way to encourage your team.
I totally agree Shearer. Of course, we all get frustrated and are certainly entitled to our opinion having forked out to watch the game but the level of nasty abuse aimed at our own team is quite shameful.
If a player is not contributing, then, if the manager persists with him & the fans can see the game at risk, then they have a right to make their feelings known. They have no other way of doing it. To wait & comment afterwards could be meaning lost points which could have been recovered.
It's the personal abuse that is the issue.

Maybe we could come up with a chant, something like "Get him off, get him off, get him off! Replace him." As per the woodpecker song! That wouldn't be abusive but would let the manager know what the fans think! I firmly believe, that in unison, the fans know how the game is going better than the manager.
Yes, song choice would be more acceptable and amusing.

There's one of Steely Dan's I would like Coops to sing to Southampton if possible.
[quote][p][bold]Redgollum[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mancrobin[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ShearerShearer[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Redgollum[/bold] wrote: I do agree that fans should support the players. But they, as a body, sense who is good & who is bad. They pay their money & have a right to their opinion. They, individually, have no say, but a lot together can make their opinions known. The management would do well to listen to them. Thousands of thoughts against 1 man's ideas. These fans have watched games throughout their lives, so know a bit.[/p][/quote]It's the way in which some fans "voice" their opinion that I find unnecessary. Groaning in frustration because a player didn't acheive what he or we hoped is different to verbally abusing a player with a torrent of foul words or booing them which is not imho the way to encourage your team.[/p][/quote]I totally agree Shearer. Of course, we all get frustrated and are certainly entitled to our opinion having forked out to watch the game but the level of nasty abuse aimed at our own team is quite shameful.[/p][/quote]If a player is not contributing, then, if the manager persists with him & the fans can see the game at risk, then they have a right to make their feelings known. They have no other way of doing it. To wait & comment afterwards could be meaning lost points which could have been recovered. It's the personal abuse that is the issue. Maybe we could come up with a chant, something like "Get him off, get him off, get him off! Replace him." As per the woodpecker song! That wouldn't be abusive but would let the manager know what the fans think! I firmly believe, that in unison, the fans know how the game is going better than the manager.[/p][/quote]Yes, song choice would be more acceptable and amusing. There's one of Steely Dan's I would like Coops to sing to Southampton if possible. mancrobin
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