Branco: We have six cup finals

The Wiltshire Gazette and Herald: Raphael Rossi Branco Raphael Rossi Branco

RAPHAEL Rossi Branco says that Town have six cup finals if they want to get into the play-offs.

Swindon are currently one place and point behind Peterborough. Darren Ferguson’s team do have two games in-hand but crucially one of those is away at Wolves.

Branco and Swindon Town know that to have any chance of pipping their JPT semi-final heartbreakers to that sixth spot they might have to win all of their remaining fixtures.

The young Brazilian defender believes the turn around in the last four games has given Town a chance to make the post season.

“Football is crazy, four games ago we think that the season is gone, so now we should have good, good chance to get in the playoffs,” he said.

“We need to think game to game, play-offs is after six games, so we have six steps to get into the play-offs.

“It’s six finals, finals is going to start on Saturday, after Saturday five left.”

“It’s hard you know, it’s too close now, four games ago we didn’t have any chance and now so close, now we need to think to game to game.”

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6:58am Wed 2 Apr 14

U REDS says...

You never know but I honestly can't see us making the play offs.
You never know but I honestly can't see us making the play offs. U REDS
  • Score: 7

7:15am Wed 2 Apr 14

mandrossian says...

Tonight is a massive game for Peterborough. If they win they are back on track, but if they don't, and then they don't beat wolves at the weekend, they could be behind us going into their other game in hand next week, under massive pressure.
Tonight is a massive game for Peterborough. If they win they are back on track, but if they don't, and then they don't beat wolves at the weekend, they could be behind us going into their other game in hand next week, under massive pressure. mandrossian
  • Score: 15

7:18am Wed 2 Apr 14

smirg kcab says...

Stfc forever
Stfc forever smirg kcab
  • Score: 5

7:37am Wed 2 Apr 14

We are PANTS says...

smirg kcab wrote:
Stfc forever
Is that you showing us your split personality again there Vic??
[quote][p][bold]smirg kcab[/bold] wrote: Stfc forever[/p][/quote]Is that you showing us your split personality again there Vic?? We are PANTS
  • Score: 14

8:06am Wed 2 Apr 14

Chish and Fips says...

I will probably get shot down in flames here, but it is my concern and my thoughts- but is the club, with all things considered over this eventful 12 months ready for the Chumpionship - to be honest for the record I think not.
I will probably get shot down in flames here, but it is my concern and my thoughts- but is the club, with all things considered over this eventful 12 months ready for the Chumpionship - to be honest for the record I think not. Chish and Fips
  • Score: 17

8:06am Wed 2 Apr 14

stokes_stfc says...

U REDS wrote:
You never know but I honestly can't see us making the play offs.
Agree, I don't see how we can win another 6 games in a row when it's only now that we've managed to put 3 wins together! Playoffs would be a nice bonus, but the gulf In class/consistency between us and the teams in 5th and above is absolutely huge... I hope we focus on closing that gap next season (getting Stevens for the season, and a consistent striker would be a start... In addition we particularly need to keep hold of wes, troy, ranger, mass. However, I think troy will be gone and someone will come in for wes)
[quote][p][bold]U REDS[/bold] wrote: You never know but I honestly can't see us making the play offs.[/p][/quote]Agree, I don't see how we can win another 6 games in a row when it's only now that we've managed to put 3 wins together! Playoffs would be a nice bonus, but the gulf In class/consistency between us and the teams in 5th and above is absolutely huge... I hope we focus on closing that gap next season (getting Stevens for the season, and a consistent striker would be a start... In addition we particularly need to keep hold of wes, troy, ranger, mass. However, I think troy will be gone and someone will come in for wes) stokes_stfc
  • Score: 4

8:28am Wed 2 Apr 14

London Red says...

Chish and Fips wrote:
I will probably get shot down in flames here, but it is my concern and my thoughts- but is the club, with all things considered over this eventful 12 months ready for the Chumpionship - to be honest for the record I think not.
Are many clubs ever really ready for the step up?
.
Think how many clubs bounce between L2-L1, L1-Championship and even more between the Championship and Premiership
.
If we go up we simply need to try and grab the opportunities with both hands - aim for 4th from bottom and build from there
.
We would just need to be more aggressive with our rebuild and boot out anyone not deemed good enough - ie less development players
.
Then use the "extra wages" from that and the extra from the £5m income boost to add to the existing players to build a team good enough to stay up
.
Wes, N.Thompson, Troy, Byrne, Luongo, L.Thompson and Ranger are for me the only ones who could really make it in the Championship next season
.
Potentially Kasim could as the style may be more suited to his game
.
Would need a lot of new players! We don't have XI there let alone a squad.
[quote][p][bold]Chish and Fips[/bold] wrote: I will probably get shot down in flames here, but it is my concern and my thoughts- but is the club, with all things considered over this eventful 12 months ready for the Chumpionship - to be honest for the record I think not.[/p][/quote]Are many clubs ever really ready for the step up? . Think how many clubs bounce between L2-L1, L1-Championship and even more between the Championship and Premiership . If we go up we simply need to try and grab the opportunities with both hands - aim for 4th from bottom and build from there . We would just need to be more aggressive with our rebuild and boot out anyone not deemed good enough - ie less development players . Then use the "extra wages" from that and the extra from the £5m income boost to add to the existing players to build a team good enough to stay up . Wes, N.Thompson, Troy, Byrne, Luongo, L.Thompson and Ranger are for me the only ones who could really make it in the Championship next season . Potentially Kasim could as the style may be more suited to his game . Would need a lot of new players! We don't have XI there let alone a squad. London Red
  • Score: 12

9:01am Wed 2 Apr 14

Davidsyrett says...

stokes_stfc wrote:
U REDS wrote:
You never know but I honestly can't see us making the play offs.
Agree, I don't see how we can win another 6 games in a row when it's only now that we've managed to put 3 wins together! Playoffs would be a nice bonus, but the gulf In class/consistency between us and the teams in 5th and above is absolutely huge... I hope we focus on closing that gap next season (getting Stevens for the season, and a consistent striker would be a start... In addition we particularly need to keep hold of wes, troy, ranger, mass. However, I think troy will be gone and someone will come in for wes)
Agree in some ways of what you have said, but we have beaten Rotherham (A) and Preston, and should have got something at Wolves, We will have to beat Brentford and Rotherham again to stand any chance of getting to then PO's and having played Peterbro 4 times this season and only lost once I feel that if we do sneak into the play-off's we will have deserved it.
[quote][p][bold]stokes_stfc[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]U REDS[/bold] wrote: You never know but I honestly can't see us making the play offs.[/p][/quote]Agree, I don't see how we can win another 6 games in a row when it's only now that we've managed to put 3 wins together! Playoffs would be a nice bonus, but the gulf In class/consistency between us and the teams in 5th and above is absolutely huge... I hope we focus on closing that gap next season (getting Stevens for the season, and a consistent striker would be a start... In addition we particularly need to keep hold of wes, troy, ranger, mass. However, I think troy will be gone and someone will come in for wes)[/p][/quote]Agree in some ways of what you have said, but we have beaten Rotherham (A) and Preston, and should have got something at Wolves, We will have to beat Brentford and Rotherham again to stand any chance of getting to then PO's and having played Peterbro 4 times this season and only lost once I feel that if we do sneak into the play-off's we will have deserved it. Davidsyrett
  • Score: 7

9:06am Wed 2 Apr 14

dreamofacleansheet2 says...

Can't see us making the play offs but football is a funny old game Saint. If we did make it, I'm not worried about gulf in class and inconsistency it's about two games and then one game, a bit of luck for us, a sending off for the other lot and you're up!

I'm with London on who cares if you're ready. I don't see Power spraying contracts about to put us into financial trouble. Not convinced Loungo is a Championship player myself but we all see things differently. I've said all season I'd have Kasim and Louis T at the base of our midfield and then play whatever system you like around it.

Hope - it's the thing that kills you.......

Ps keep reading on these threads that Spurs players have to play. I've seen no evidence of this and thought Power or Cooper had categorically stated that was in correct with an interview on this site? If I'm right will everyone please stop banging on about it.....
Can't see us making the play offs but football is a funny old game Saint. If we did make it, I'm not worried about gulf in class and inconsistency it's about two games and then one game, a bit of luck for us, a sending off for the other lot and you're up! I'm with London on who cares if you're ready. I don't see Power spraying contracts about to put us into financial trouble. Not convinced Loungo is a Championship player myself but we all see things differently. I've said all season I'd have Kasim and Louis T at the base of our midfield and then play whatever system you like around it. Hope - it's the thing that kills you....... Ps keep reading on these threads that Spurs players have to play. I've seen no evidence of this and thought Power or Cooper had categorically stated that was in correct with an interview on this site? If I'm right will everyone please stop banging on about it..... dreamofacleansheet2
  • Score: 4

9:24am Wed 2 Apr 14

hertz says...

Dreaming I'm only dreaming , too little too late I am fraid but keeps the season alive COYR
Dreaming I'm only dreaming , too little too late I am fraid but keeps the season alive COYR hertz
  • Score: 0

9:28am Wed 2 Apr 14

Bassett Hound says...

Dreamo - I think the arrangement with Spurs is that if we play the spurs player Spurs pay their wages. If we don't play them then we pay them. If you think about the arrangement it makes sense.
Dreamo - I think the arrangement with Spurs is that if we play the spurs player Spurs pay their wages. If we don't play them then we pay them. If you think about the arrangement it makes sense. Bassett Hound
  • Score: 1

9:32am Wed 2 Apr 14

e clifford says...

posh pl'd 38 - pts 58 run in 3-0-3-0-0-3-1-3 = 71
stfc 40 - pts 57 run in 1-0-0-3-3-1 = 65
walsall 40 - pts 56 run in 3-1-1-3-3-3 = 70
mk 40 - pts 55 run in 1-1-3-0-0-0 = 60
posh pl'd 38 - pts 58 run in 3-0-3-0-0-3-1-3 = 71 stfc 40 - pts 57 run in 1-0-0-3-3-1 = 65 walsall 40 - pts 56 run in 3-1-1-3-3-3 = 70 mk 40 - pts 55 run in 1-1-3-0-0-0 = 60 e clifford
  • Score: -9

9:47am Wed 2 Apr 14

Oi Den! says...

Bassett Hound wrote:
Dreamo - I think the arrangement with Spurs is that if we play the spurs player Spurs pay their wages. If we don't play them then we pay them. If you think about the arrangement it makes sense.
Not sure about that. It may be right but when Cooper was asked on the radio if he had to play the Spurs players, he said "It's not set in stone but if we don't play them Spurs will call them back". A diplomatic way of saying "Yes"?
Whichever way you read it, it means another club has had a say in our team selection, which has to be wrong.
[quote][p][bold]Bassett Hound[/bold] wrote: Dreamo - I think the arrangement with Spurs is that if we play the spurs player Spurs pay their wages. If we don't play them then we pay them. If you think about the arrangement it makes sense.[/p][/quote]Not sure about that. It may be right but when Cooper was asked on the radio if he had to play the Spurs players, he said "It's not set in stone but if we don't play them Spurs will call them back". A diplomatic way of saying "Yes"? Whichever way you read it, it means another club has had a say in our team selection, which has to be wrong. Oi Den!
  • Score: -1

10:02am Wed 2 Apr 14

the don69 says...

e clifford wrote:
posh pl'd 38 - pts 58 run in 3-0-3-0-0-3-1-3 = 71
stfc 40 - pts 57 run in 1-0-0-3-3-1 = 65
walsall 40 - pts 56 run in 3-1-1-3-3-3 = 70
mk 40 - pts 55 run in 1-1-3-0-0-0 = 60
Mystic Meg? Lets see what % you get right?????????
[quote][p][bold]e clifford[/bold] wrote: posh pl'd 38 - pts 58 run in 3-0-3-0-0-3-1-3 = 71 stfc 40 - pts 57 run in 1-0-0-3-3-1 = 65 walsall 40 - pts 56 run in 3-1-1-3-3-3 = 70 mk 40 - pts 55 run in 1-1-3-0-0-0 = 60[/p][/quote]Mystic Meg? Lets see what % you get right????????? the don69
  • Score: 1

10:07am Wed 2 Apr 14

the don69 says...

Bassett Hound wrote:
Dreamo - I think the arrangement with Spurs is that if we play the spurs player Spurs pay their wages. If we don't play them then we pay them. If you think about the arrangement it makes sense.
Total Rubbish! I've asked Coops if he's in charge of picking the team he is and that includes Power!!!!!!!!!
[quote][p][bold]Bassett Hound[/bold] wrote: Dreamo - I think the arrangement with Spurs is that if we play the spurs player Spurs pay their wages. If we don't play them then we pay them. If you think about the arrangement it makes sense.[/p][/quote]Total Rubbish! I've asked Coops if he's in charge of picking the team he is and that includes Power!!!!!!!!! the don69
  • Score: 4

10:22am Wed 2 Apr 14

andy5364 says...

smirg kcab wrote:
Stfc forever
Only when it suits you . Your usual rubbish over the last few days im afraid . Try being nice for a change you might just feel better for it ..
[quote][p][bold]smirg kcab[/bold] wrote: Stfc forever[/p][/quote]Only when it suits you . Your usual rubbish over the last few days im afraid . Try being nice for a change you might just feel better for it .. andy5364
  • Score: 4

10:51am Wed 2 Apr 14

Stfcjames1259 says...

Who wrote this? Peterboroughs game in hand isn't against wolves? Its Colchester and Gillingham?!?! Anyway all Stfc can do now is win all their games and hope for the best either way id class it as a successful season with all the goings on over last summer!
Who wrote this? Peterboroughs game in hand isn't against wolves? Its Colchester and Gillingham?!?! Anyway all Stfc can do now is win all their games and hope for the best either way id class it as a successful season with all the goings on over last summer! Stfcjames1259
  • Score: 7

11:23am Wed 2 Apr 14

Oi Den! says...

What does it matter whether the game in hand is against Wolves, Colchester or Gillingham? They've got to play all of them.
What does it matter whether the game in hand is against Wolves, Colchester or Gillingham? They've got to play all of them. Oi Den!
  • Score: 5

11:27am Wed 2 Apr 14

stokes_stfc says...

e clifford wrote:
posh pl'd 38 - pts 58 run in 3-0-3-0-0-3-1-3 = 71
stfc 40 - pts 57 run in 1-0-0-3-3-1 = 65
walsall 40 - pts 56 run in 3-1-1-3-3-3 = 70
mk 40 - pts 55 run in 1-1-3-0-0-0 = 60
sheff utd will finish above all of these!
[quote][p][bold]e clifford[/bold] wrote: posh pl'd 38 - pts 58 run in 3-0-3-0-0-3-1-3 = 71 stfc 40 - pts 57 run in 1-0-0-3-3-1 = 65 walsall 40 - pts 56 run in 3-1-1-3-3-3 = 70 mk 40 - pts 55 run in 1-1-3-0-0-0 = 60[/p][/quote]sheff utd will finish above all of these! stokes_stfc
  • Score: -4

11:27am Wed 2 Apr 14

stokes_stfc says...

e clifford wrote:
posh pl'd 38 - pts 58 run in 3-0-3-0-0-3-1-3 = 71
stfc 40 - pts 57 run in 1-0-0-3-3-1 = 65
walsall 40 - pts 56 run in 3-1-1-3-3-3 = 70
mk 40 - pts 55 run in 1-1-3-0-0-0 = 60
sheff utd will finish above all of these!
[quote][p][bold]e clifford[/bold] wrote: posh pl'd 38 - pts 58 run in 3-0-3-0-0-3-1-3 = 71 stfc 40 - pts 57 run in 1-0-0-3-3-1 = 65 walsall 40 - pts 56 run in 3-1-1-3-3-3 = 70 mk 40 - pts 55 run in 1-1-3-0-0-0 = 60[/p][/quote]sheff utd will finish above all of these! stokes_stfc
  • Score: -3

12:18pm Wed 2 Apr 14

itslove says...

Kick and rush shoot on sight go for it . White board passing game nooooooooo.
Kick and rush shoot on sight go for it . White board passing game nooooooooo. itslove
  • Score: -5

12:28pm Wed 2 Apr 14

Bassett Hound says...

the don69 wrote:
Bassett Hound wrote:
Dreamo - I think the arrangement with Spurs is that if we play the spurs player Spurs pay their wages. If we don't play them then we pay them. If you think about the arrangement it makes sense.
Total Rubbish! I've asked Coops if he's in charge of picking the team he is and that includes Power!!!!!!!!!
Please explain just what is rubbish ? This arrangement has no effect on what team he wants to play.

Perhaps when you next speak with him you can ask him.
[quote][p][bold]the don69[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Bassett Hound[/bold] wrote: Dreamo - I think the arrangement with Spurs is that if we play the spurs player Spurs pay their wages. If we don't play them then we pay them. If you think about the arrangement it makes sense.[/p][/quote]Total Rubbish! I've asked Coops if he's in charge of picking the team he is and that includes Power!!!!!!!!![/p][/quote]Please explain just what is rubbish ? This arrangement has no effect on what team he wants to play. Perhaps when you next speak with him you can ask him. Bassett Hound
  • Score: 2

1:22pm Wed 2 Apr 14

Wilesy says...

Oi Den! wrote:
Bassett Hound wrote:
Dreamo - I think the arrangement with Spurs is that if we play the spurs player Spurs pay their wages. If we don't play them then we pay them. If you think about the arrangement it makes sense.
Not sure about that. It may be right but when Cooper was asked on the radio if he had to play the Spurs players, he said "It's not set in stone but if we don't play them Spurs will call them back". A diplomatic way of saying "Yes"?
Whichever way you read it, it means another club has had a say in our team selection, which has to be wrong.
He did say that but in theory that shouldn't be a problem if the players are good enough as you'd want to play them. Could have an issue if Hall regains fitness as he'd be second choice in all defensive positions behind the current back 4
[quote][p][bold]Oi Den![/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Bassett Hound[/bold] wrote: Dreamo - I think the arrangement with Spurs is that if we play the spurs player Spurs pay their wages. If we don't play them then we pay them. If you think about the arrangement it makes sense.[/p][/quote]Not sure about that. It may be right but when Cooper was asked on the radio if he had to play the Spurs players, he said "It's not set in stone but if we don't play them Spurs will call them back". A diplomatic way of saying "Yes"? Whichever way you read it, it means another club has had a say in our team selection, which has to be wrong.[/p][/quote]He did say that but in theory that shouldn't be a problem if the players are good enough as you'd want to play them. Could have an issue if Hall regains fitness as he'd be second choice in all defensive positions behind the current back 4 Wilesy
  • Score: 0

1:25pm Wed 2 Apr 14

Wilesy says...

Chish and Fips wrote:
I will probably get shot down in flames here, but it is my concern and my thoughts- but is the club, with all things considered over this eventful 12 months ready for the Chumpionship - to be honest for the record I think not.
Without a new stadium and a rich benefactor we are as ready as we will ever be. Would just need to adjust the budget and transfer targets for the higher level. We should look to rise to the challenge not fear a season of struggle.
[quote][p][bold]Chish and Fips[/bold] wrote: I will probably get shot down in flames here, but it is my concern and my thoughts- but is the club, with all things considered over this eventful 12 months ready for the Chumpionship - to be honest for the record I think not.[/p][/quote]Without a new stadium and a rich benefactor we are as ready as we will ever be. Would just need to adjust the budget and transfer targets for the higher level. We should look to rise to the challenge not fear a season of struggle. Wilesy
  • Score: 5

1:27pm Wed 2 Apr 14

Swindon1984 says...

andy5364 wrote:
smirg kcab wrote: Stfc forever
Only when it suits you . Your usual rubbish over the last few days im afraid . Try being nice for a change you might just feel better for it ..
Does make me chuckle - talks about how bad the ground is, calling fellow supporters "swindle," openly admits to slagging off and booing our own players and manager, and that was after a win!

Everybody hates him - he don't care. Maybe should've been a Millwall supporter...
[quote][p][bold]andy5364[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]smirg kcab[/bold] wrote: Stfc forever[/p][/quote]Only when it suits you . Your usual rubbish over the last few days im afraid . Try being nice for a change you might just feel better for it ..[/p][/quote]Does make me chuckle - talks about how bad the ground is, calling fellow supporters "swindle," openly admits to slagging off and booing our own players and manager, and that was after a win! Everybody hates him - he don't care. Maybe should've been a Millwall supporter... Swindon1984
  • Score: 5

1:28pm Wed 2 Apr 14

the don69 says...

Bassett Hound wrote:
the don69 wrote:
Bassett Hound wrote:
Dreamo - I think the arrangement with Spurs is that if we play the spurs player Spurs pay their wages. If we don't play them then we pay them. If you think about the arrangement it makes sense.
Total Rubbish! I've asked Coops if he's in charge of picking the team he is and that includes Power!!!!!!!!!
Please explain just what is rubbish ? This arrangement has no effect on what team he wants to play.

Perhaps when you next speak with him you can ask him.
It's rubbish that Spurs pay their wages if they play, we have to pay a percentage of their wages if they play or not and even when their injured! now if we don't play one of their players for a while,they can recall him, but the point of loaning out players is for them to get game time,but if their not playing well we don't have to play them, but must still pay the agreed percentage of their wage!!!
[quote][p][bold]Bassett Hound[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]the don69[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Bassett Hound[/bold] wrote: Dreamo - I think the arrangement with Spurs is that if we play the spurs player Spurs pay their wages. If we don't play them then we pay them. If you think about the arrangement it makes sense.[/p][/quote]Total Rubbish! I've asked Coops if he's in charge of picking the team he is and that includes Power!!!!!!!!![/p][/quote]Please explain just what is rubbish ? This arrangement has no effect on what team he wants to play. Perhaps when you next speak with him you can ask him.[/p][/quote]It's rubbish that Spurs pay their wages if they play, we have to pay a percentage of their wages if they play or not and even when their injured! now if we don't play one of their players for a while,they can recall him, but the point of loaning out players is for them to get game time,but if their not playing well we don't have to play them, but must still pay the agreed percentage of their wage!!! the don69
  • Score: 0

2:13pm Wed 2 Apr 14

Bassett Hound says...

the don69 wrote:
Bassett Hound wrote:
the don69 wrote:
Bassett Hound wrote:
Dreamo - I think the arrangement with Spurs is that if we play the spurs player Spurs pay their wages. If we don't play them then we pay them. If you think about the arrangement it makes sense.
Total Rubbish! I've asked Coops if he's in charge of picking the team he is and that includes Power!!!!!!!!!
Please explain just what is rubbish ? This arrangement has no effect on what team he wants to play.

Perhaps when you next speak with him you can ask him.
It's rubbish that Spurs pay their wages if they play, we have to pay a percentage of their wages if they play or not and even when their injured! now if we don't play one of their players for a while,they can recall him, but the point of loaning out players is for them to get game time,but if their not playing well we don't have to play them, but must still pay the agreed percentage of their wage!!!
I simply posted what I was led to believe the arrangement was. Fact is Don you don't know what the arrangement is.

It seems to me to be a good arrangement for Spurs to put their players in the shop window to sell on,having decided they perhaps won't make it in the Premiership.
[quote][p][bold]the don69[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Bassett Hound[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]the don69[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Bassett Hound[/bold] wrote: Dreamo - I think the arrangement with Spurs is that if we play the spurs player Spurs pay their wages. If we don't play them then we pay them. If you think about the arrangement it makes sense.[/p][/quote]Total Rubbish! I've asked Coops if he's in charge of picking the team he is and that includes Power!!!!!!!!![/p][/quote]Please explain just what is rubbish ? This arrangement has no effect on what team he wants to play. Perhaps when you next speak with him you can ask him.[/p][/quote]It's rubbish that Spurs pay their wages if they play, we have to pay a percentage of their wages if they play or not and even when their injured! now if we don't play one of their players for a while,they can recall him, but the point of loaning out players is for them to get game time,but if their not playing well we don't have to play them, but must still pay the agreed percentage of their wage!!![/p][/quote]I simply posted what I was led to believe the arrangement was. Fact is Don you don't know what the arrangement is. It seems to me to be a good arrangement for Spurs to put their players in the shop window to sell on,having decided they perhaps won't make it in the Premiership. Bassett Hound
  • Score: 0

2:15pm Wed 2 Apr 14

Oi Den! says...

Wilesy wrote:
Oi Den! wrote:
Bassett Hound wrote:
Dreamo - I think the arrangement with Spurs is that if we play the spurs player Spurs pay their wages. If we don't play them then we pay them. If you think about the arrangement it makes sense.
Not sure about that. It may be right but when Cooper was asked on the radio if he had to play the Spurs players, he said "It's not set in stone but if we don't play them Spurs will call them back". A diplomatic way of saying "Yes"?
Whichever way you read it, it means another club has had a say in our team selection, which has to be wrong.
He did say that but in theory that shouldn't be a problem if the players are good enough as you'd want to play them. Could have an issue if Hall regains fitness as he'd be second choice in all defensive positions behind the current back 4
Wilesy, for me it's a concern in both theory and practice. It's no good just hoping/assuming that loan players will be good enough to have their names pre-printed on the teamsheet. The manager should have complete control over selection. Loan players should be treated exactly the same as our own players. If the manager thinks they deserve to be playing, they're in. If he doesn't, they're out. Otherwise how can his own performance be judged? If the loaning of players takes away that basic foundation, it deals a big blow to the integrity of the whole game, which is clearly in the pocket of the Premier League now.
[quote][p][bold]Wilesy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Oi Den![/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Bassett Hound[/bold] wrote: Dreamo - I think the arrangement with Spurs is that if we play the spurs player Spurs pay their wages. If we don't play them then we pay them. If you think about the arrangement it makes sense.[/p][/quote]Not sure about that. It may be right but when Cooper was asked on the radio if he had to play the Spurs players, he said "It's not set in stone but if we don't play them Spurs will call them back". A diplomatic way of saying "Yes"? Whichever way you read it, it means another club has had a say in our team selection, which has to be wrong.[/p][/quote]He did say that but in theory that shouldn't be a problem if the players are good enough as you'd want to play them. Could have an issue if Hall regains fitness as he'd be second choice in all defensive positions behind the current back 4[/p][/quote]Wilesy, for me it's a concern in both theory and practice. It's no good just hoping/assuming that loan players will be good enough to have their names pre-printed on the teamsheet. The manager should have complete control over selection. Loan players should be treated exactly the same as our own players. If the manager thinks they deserve to be playing, they're in. If he doesn't, they're out. Otherwise how can his own performance be judged? If the loaning of players takes away that basic foundation, it deals a big blow to the integrity of the whole game, which is clearly in the pocket of the Premier League now. Oi Den!
  • Score: 3

2:22pm Wed 2 Apr 14

Oi Den! says...

Swindon1984 wrote:
andy5364 wrote:
smirg kcab wrote: Stfc forever
Only when it suits you . Your usual rubbish over the last few days im afraid . Try being nice for a change you might just feel better for it ..
Does make me chuckle - talks about how bad the ground is, calling fellow supporters "swindle," openly admits to slagging off and booing our own players and manager, and that was after a win!

Everybody hates him - he don't care. Maybe should've been a Millwall supporter...
I don't hate him. He goes over the line sometimes but mostly that's just to wind people up. Behind all that stuff I see a good Town fan and a good judge of a footballer. My motto with Grim is not to take every word literally or too seriously.
[quote][p][bold]Swindon1984[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]andy5364[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]smirg kcab[/bold] wrote: Stfc forever[/p][/quote]Only when it suits you . Your usual rubbish over the last few days im afraid . Try being nice for a change you might just feel better for it ..[/p][/quote]Does make me chuckle - talks about how bad the ground is, calling fellow supporters "swindle," openly admits to slagging off and booing our own players and manager, and that was after a win! Everybody hates him - he don't care. Maybe should've been a Millwall supporter...[/p][/quote]I don't hate him. He goes over the line sometimes but mostly that's just to wind people up. Behind all that stuff I see a good Town fan and a good judge of a footballer. My motto with Grim is not to take every word literally or too seriously. Oi Den!
  • Score: -1

2:34pm Wed 2 Apr 14

the don69 says...

Bassett Hound wrote:
the don69 wrote:
Bassett Hound wrote:
the don69 wrote:
Bassett Hound wrote:
Dreamo - I think the arrangement with Spurs is that if we play the spurs player Spurs pay their wages. If we don't play them then we pay them. If you think about the arrangement it makes sense.
Total Rubbish! I've asked Coops if he's in charge of picking the team he is and that includes Power!!!!!!!!!
Please explain just what is rubbish ? This arrangement has no effect on what team he wants to play.

Perhaps when you next speak with him you can ask him.
It's rubbish that Spurs pay their wages if they play, we have to pay a percentage of their wages if they play or not and even when their injured! now if we don't play one of their players for a while,they can recall him, but the point of loaning out players is for them to get game time,but if their not playing well we don't have to play them, but must still pay the agreed percentage of their wage!!!
I simply posted what I was led to believe the arrangement was. Fact is Don you don't know what the arrangement is.

It seems to me to be a good arrangement for Spurs to put their players in the shop window to sell on,having decided they perhaps won't make it in the Premiership.
The only arrangement there is Basset,they play if Coops&Power are happy they keep playing,if not they go back to Spurs,your right Spurs want them in the shop window and to get game time,but Spurs don't pay all their wages when there playing!!
[quote][p][bold]Bassett Hound[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]the don69[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Bassett Hound[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]the don69[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Bassett Hound[/bold] wrote: Dreamo - I think the arrangement with Spurs is that if we play the spurs player Spurs pay their wages. If we don't play them then we pay them. If you think about the arrangement it makes sense.[/p][/quote]Total Rubbish! I've asked Coops if he's in charge of picking the team he is and that includes Power!!!!!!!!![/p][/quote]Please explain just what is rubbish ? This arrangement has no effect on what team he wants to play. Perhaps when you next speak with him you can ask him.[/p][/quote]It's rubbish that Spurs pay their wages if they play, we have to pay a percentage of their wages if they play or not and even when their injured! now if we don't play one of their players for a while,they can recall him, but the point of loaning out players is for them to get game time,but if their not playing well we don't have to play them, but must still pay the agreed percentage of their wage!!![/p][/quote]I simply posted what I was led to believe the arrangement was. Fact is Don you don't know what the arrangement is. It seems to me to be a good arrangement for Spurs to put their players in the shop window to sell on,having decided they perhaps won't make it in the Premiership.[/p][/quote]The only arrangement there is Basset,they play if Coops&Power are happy they keep playing,if not they go back to Spurs,your right Spurs want them in the shop window and to get game time,but Spurs don't pay all their wages when there playing!! the don69
  • Score: 0

2:49pm Wed 2 Apr 14

the don69 says...

Man Yoo had only 26% possession last night and if Wellbeck hadn't fluffed that chance would have won! so much for possession it's what you do with that possession that matters too much (tippy-tappy) is a waste of possession!!!!!
Man Yoo had only 26% possession last night and if Wellbeck hadn't fluffed that chance would have won! so much for possession it's what you do with that possession that matters too much (tippy-tappy) is a waste of possession!!!!! the don69
  • Score: 1

3:12pm Wed 2 Apr 14

dreamofacleansheet2 says...

Den I don't want any team, Spurs, Real Madrid, Bayern Munich whoever having ANY say over any player having to play for us.

I'd really like Sam to nail this once and for all? For everyone's benefit? So we are 100% clear and then we can have our discussion based on FACT not hear say. My instinct is with Don69 - we pay a percentage of their wages whether they play or not and can pick who we like. If we don't play them they will be recalled but that's fine.

I do not KNOW this and if this is not correct I'd be deeply unhappy. I don't ever want us to be a feeder club for anyone else as we then no longer are Swindon Town - the team I've supported through mostly thin for nearly 40 years.
Den I don't want any team, Spurs, Real Madrid, Bayern Munich whoever having ANY say over any player having to play for us. I'd really like Sam to nail this once and for all? For everyone's benefit? So we are 100% clear and then we can have our discussion based on FACT not hear say. My instinct is with Don69 - we pay a percentage of their wages whether they play or not and can pick who we like. If we don't play them they will be recalled but that's fine. I do not KNOW this and if this is not correct I'd be deeply unhappy. I don't ever want us to be a feeder club for anyone else as we then no longer are Swindon Town - the team I've supported through mostly thin for nearly 40 years. dreamofacleansheet2
  • Score: 1

3:49pm Wed 2 Apr 14

Wilesy says...

Oi Den! wrote:
Wilesy wrote:
Oi Den! wrote:
Bassett Hound wrote:
Dreamo - I think the arrangement with Spurs is that if we play the spurs player Spurs pay their wages. If we don't play them then we pay them. If you think about the arrangement it makes sense.
Not sure about that. It may be right but when Cooper was asked on the radio if he had to play the Spurs players, he said "It's not set in stone but if we don't play them Spurs will call them back". A diplomatic way of saying "Yes"?
Whichever way you read it, it means another club has had a say in our team selection, which has to be wrong.
He did say that but in theory that shouldn't be a problem if the players are good enough as you'd want to play them. Could have an issue if Hall regains fitness as he'd be second choice in all defensive positions behind the current back 4
Wilesy, for me it's a concern in both theory and practice. It's no good just hoping/assuming that loan players will be good enough to have their names pre-printed on the teamsheet. The manager should have complete control over selection. Loan players should be treated exactly the same as our own players. If the manager thinks they deserve to be playing, they're in. If he doesn't, they're out. Otherwise how can his own performance be judged? If the loaning of players takes away that basic foundation, it deals a big blow to the integrity of the whole game, which is clearly in the pocket of the Premier League now.
Den I agree with you but Cooper won't select them if not good enough.

If they are clearly not good enough or motivated enough they don't play or get sent back like we did with Dean Parrett (who was here under the same Power / Sherwood agreement)

Cooper has said he has control over team selection, I believe that and also that he will pick his best side to win a game, if he didn't eventually results would be that bad he would lose his job as its a results business.

It's only really the Spurs three that are being discussed under the 'must play' argument, but they have all been better than what we have so deserved to play. Mason is better attack wise than anything we have in his position although he has suffered from injury. Pritchard is one of the top 3 young players in the FL, fact, and Hall was deemed by Cooper to be one of our 2 best centre halves out of 3 we had up to January. So no issue with them playing at all.

The issue comes now if Hall returns to fitness, as since he got injured we have 2 better centre halves in Troy and Stephens. If Hall plays instead of either than them when both fit then that will raise an eyebrow but I can't see how he would.
[quote][p][bold]Oi Den![/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Wilesy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Oi Den![/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Bassett Hound[/bold] wrote: Dreamo - I think the arrangement with Spurs is that if we play the spurs player Spurs pay their wages. If we don't play them then we pay them. If you think about the arrangement it makes sense.[/p][/quote]Not sure about that. It may be right but when Cooper was asked on the radio if he had to play the Spurs players, he said "It's not set in stone but if we don't play them Spurs will call them back". A diplomatic way of saying "Yes"? Whichever way you read it, it means another club has had a say in our team selection, which has to be wrong.[/p][/quote]He did say that but in theory that shouldn't be a problem if the players are good enough as you'd want to play them. Could have an issue if Hall regains fitness as he'd be second choice in all defensive positions behind the current back 4[/p][/quote]Wilesy, for me it's a concern in both theory and practice. It's no good just hoping/assuming that loan players will be good enough to have their names pre-printed on the teamsheet. The manager should have complete control over selection. Loan players should be treated exactly the same as our own players. If the manager thinks they deserve to be playing, they're in. If he doesn't, they're out. Otherwise how can his own performance be judged? If the loaning of players takes away that basic foundation, it deals a big blow to the integrity of the whole game, which is clearly in the pocket of the Premier League now.[/p][/quote]Den I agree with you but Cooper won't select them if not good enough. If they are clearly not good enough or motivated enough they don't play or get sent back like we did with Dean Parrett (who was here under the same Power / Sherwood agreement) Cooper has said he has control over team selection, I believe that and also that he will pick his best side to win a game, if he didn't eventually results would be that bad he would lose his job as its a results business. It's only really the Spurs three that are being discussed under the 'must play' argument, but they have all been better than what we have so deserved to play. Mason is better attack wise than anything we have in his position although he has suffered from injury. Pritchard is one of the top 3 young players in the FL, fact, and Hall was deemed by Cooper to be one of our 2 best centre halves out of 3 we had up to January. So no issue with them playing at all. The issue comes now if Hall returns to fitness, as since he got injured we have 2 better centre halves in Troy and Stephens. If Hall plays instead of either than them when both fit then that will raise an eyebrow but I can't see how he would. Wilesy
  • Score: -1

4:05pm Wed 2 Apr 14

smirg kcab says...

Swindon1984 wrote:
andy5364 wrote:
smirg kcab wrote: Stfc forever
Only when it suits you . Your usual rubbish over the last few days im afraid . Try being nice for a change you might just feel better for it ..
Does make me chuckle - talks about how bad the ground is, calling fellow supporters "swindle," openly admits to slagging off and booing our own players and manager, and that was after a win!

Everybody hates him - he don't care. Maybe should've been a Millwall supporter...
Everybody?
My boyfriend loves me, trouble is I can't stand him. I'm working to find a new biitch.
[quote][p][bold]Swindon1984[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]andy5364[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]smirg kcab[/bold] wrote: Stfc forever[/p][/quote]Only when it suits you . Your usual rubbish over the last few days im afraid . Try being nice for a change you might just feel better for it ..[/p][/quote]Does make me chuckle - talks about how bad the ground is, calling fellow supporters "swindle," openly admits to slagging off and booing our own players and manager, and that was after a win! Everybody hates him - he don't care. Maybe should've been a Millwall supporter...[/p][/quote]Everybody? My boyfriend loves me, trouble is I can't stand him. I'm working to find a new biitch. smirg kcab
  • Score: -7

4:10pm Wed 2 Apr 14

the don69 says...

smirg kcab wrote:
Swindon1984 wrote:
andy5364 wrote:
smirg kcab wrote: Stfc forever
Only when it suits you . Your usual rubbish over the last few days im afraid . Try being nice for a change you might just feel better for it ..
Does make me chuckle - talks about how bad the ground is, calling fellow supporters "swindle," openly admits to slagging off and booing our own players and manager, and that was after a win!

Everybody hates him - he don't care. Maybe should've been a Millwall supporter...
Everybody?
My boyfriend loves me, trouble is I can't stand him. I'm working to find a new biitch.
LOL Nice one Grim!!!!!!!!
[quote][p][bold]smirg kcab[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Swindon1984[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]andy5364[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]smirg kcab[/bold] wrote: Stfc forever[/p][/quote]Only when it suits you . Your usual rubbish over the last few days im afraid . Try being nice for a change you might just feel better for it ..[/p][/quote]Does make me chuckle - talks about how bad the ground is, calling fellow supporters "swindle," openly admits to slagging off and booing our own players and manager, and that was after a win! Everybody hates him - he don't care. Maybe should've been a Millwall supporter...[/p][/quote]Everybody? My boyfriend loves me, trouble is I can't stand him. I'm working to find a new biitch.[/p][/quote]LOL Nice one Grim!!!!!!!! the don69
  • Score: -5

4:23pm Wed 2 Apr 14

Oi Den! says...

dreamofacleansheet2 wrote:
Den I don't want any team, Spurs, Real Madrid, Bayern Munich whoever having ANY say over any player having to play for us.

I'd really like Sam to nail this once and for all? For everyone's benefit? So we are 100% clear and then we can have our discussion based on FACT not hear say. My instinct is with Don69 - we pay a percentage of their wages whether they play or not and can pick who we like. If we don't play them they will be recalled but that's fine.

I do not KNOW this and if this is not correct I'd be deeply unhappy. I don't ever want us to be a feeder club for anyone else as we then no longer are Swindon Town - the team I've supported through mostly thin for nearly 40 years.
dreamo, you say "If we don't play them, they will be recalled and that's fine" but is it really fine? Suppose Cooper sees one of them as a decent squad player but not necessarily a first choice. Shouldn't he be able to leave that player out of the team for as long as he likes, without the threat of Spurs withdrawing his services? That's what he would do with one of our own players.

Maybe I'm reading too much into Cooper's comment but I would have felt much happier if he had said "All the loan players are treated exactly the same way as Swindon Town players".

Anyway, can't we get by very well without those three players? For different reasons, they have all been liabilities for us at times this season. Mason is an excellent footballer but has never looked committed. Pritchard has been the most successful but his discipline has been terrible. We have looked a stronger team without them, as 9 points out of 9 will testify.
[quote][p][bold]dreamofacleansheet2[/bold] wrote: Den I don't want any team, Spurs, Real Madrid, Bayern Munich whoever having ANY say over any player having to play for us. I'd really like Sam to nail this once and for all? For everyone's benefit? So we are 100% clear and then we can have our discussion based on FACT not hear say. My instinct is with Don69 - we pay a percentage of their wages whether they play or not and can pick who we like. If we don't play them they will be recalled but that's fine. I do not KNOW this and if this is not correct I'd be deeply unhappy. I don't ever want us to be a feeder club for anyone else as we then no longer are Swindon Town - the team I've supported through mostly thin for nearly 40 years.[/p][/quote]dreamo, you say "If we don't play them, they will be recalled and that's fine" but is it really fine? Suppose Cooper sees one of them as a decent squad player but not necessarily a first choice. Shouldn't he be able to leave that player out of the team for as long as he likes, without the threat of Spurs withdrawing his services? That's what he would do with one of our own players. Maybe I'm reading too much into Cooper's comment but I would have felt much happier if he had said "All the loan players are treated exactly the same way as Swindon Town players". Anyway, can't we get by very well without those three players? For different reasons, they have all been liabilities for us at times this season. Mason is an excellent footballer but has never looked committed. Pritchard has been the most successful but his discipline has been terrible. We have looked a stronger team without them, as 9 points out of 9 will testify. Oi Den!
  • Score: 0

5:38pm Wed 2 Apr 14

dazzastfc says...

smirg kcab wrote:
Swindon1984 wrote:
andy5364 wrote:
smirg kcab wrote: Stfc forever
Only when it suits you . Your usual rubbish over the last few days im afraid . Try being nice for a change you might just feel better for it ..
Does make me chuckle - talks about how bad the ground is, calling fellow supporters "swindle," openly admits to slagging off and booing our own players and manager, and that was after a win!

Everybody hates him - he don't care. Maybe should've been a Millwall supporter...
Everybody?
My boyfriend loves me, trouble is I can't stand him. I'm working to find a new biitch.
Grim....Can I be your new ****...
BUT NO Tongue's AS THAT'S JUST GAY...OK mate
[quote][p][bold]smirg kcab[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Swindon1984[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]andy5364[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]smirg kcab[/bold] wrote: Stfc forever[/p][/quote]Only when it suits you . Your usual rubbish over the last few days im afraid . Try being nice for a change you might just feel better for it ..[/p][/quote]Does make me chuckle - talks about how bad the ground is, calling fellow supporters "swindle," openly admits to slagging off and booing our own players and manager, and that was after a win! Everybody hates him - he don't care. Maybe should've been a Millwall supporter...[/p][/quote]Everybody? My boyfriend loves me, trouble is I can't stand him. I'm working to find a new biitch.[/p][/quote]Grim....Can I be your new ****... BUT NO Tongue's AS THAT'S JUST GAY...OK mate dazzastfc
  • Score: -2

6:04pm Wed 2 Apr 14

smirg kcab says...

Oi Den! wrote:
dreamofacleansheet2 wrote:
Den I don't want any team, Spurs, Real Madrid, Bayern Munich whoever having ANY say over any player having to play for us.

I'd really like Sam to nail this once and for all? For everyone's benefit? So we are 100% clear and then we can have our discussion based on FACT not hear say. My instinct is with Don69 - we pay a percentage of their wages whether they play or not and can pick who we like. If we don't play them they will be recalled but that's fine.

I do not KNOW this and if this is not correct I'd be deeply unhappy. I don't ever want us to be a feeder club for anyone else as we then no longer are Swindon Town - the team I've supported through mostly thin for nearly 40 years.
dreamo, you say "If we don't play them, they will be recalled and that's fine" but is it really fine? Suppose Cooper sees one of them as a decent squad player but not necessarily a first choice. Shouldn't he be able to leave that player out of the team for as long as he likes, without the threat of Spurs withdrawing his services? That's what he would do with one of our own players.

Maybe I'm reading too much into Cooper's comment but I would have felt much happier if he had said "All the loan players are treated exactly the same way as Swindon Town players".

Anyway, can't we get by very well without those three players? For different reasons, they have all been liabilities for us at times this season. Mason is an excellent footballer but has never looked committed. Pritchard has been the most successful but his discipline has been terrible. We have looked a stronger team without them, as 9 points out of 9 will testify.
Be interesting who gives way for Pritchard on saturday den? Just hope storey is not sacrificed for him. We have been excellent with out him the last 3 games, and no one deserves to be dropped.
Oh yeah mason forgot all about him
[quote][p][bold]Oi Den![/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]dreamofacleansheet2[/bold] wrote: Den I don't want any team, Spurs, Real Madrid, Bayern Munich whoever having ANY say over any player having to play for us. I'd really like Sam to nail this once and for all? For everyone's benefit? So we are 100% clear and then we can have our discussion based on FACT not hear say. My instinct is with Don69 - we pay a percentage of their wages whether they play or not and can pick who we like. If we don't play them they will be recalled but that's fine. I do not KNOW this and if this is not correct I'd be deeply unhappy. I don't ever want us to be a feeder club for anyone else as we then no longer are Swindon Town - the team I've supported through mostly thin for nearly 40 years.[/p][/quote]dreamo, you say "If we don't play them, they will be recalled and that's fine" but is it really fine? Suppose Cooper sees one of them as a decent squad player but not necessarily a first choice. Shouldn't he be able to leave that player out of the team for as long as he likes, without the threat of Spurs withdrawing his services? That's what he would do with one of our own players. Maybe I'm reading too much into Cooper's comment but I would have felt much happier if he had said "All the loan players are treated exactly the same way as Swindon Town players". Anyway, can't we get by very well without those three players? For different reasons, they have all been liabilities for us at times this season. Mason is an excellent footballer but has never looked committed. Pritchard has been the most successful but his discipline has been terrible. We have looked a stronger team without them, as 9 points out of 9 will testify.[/p][/quote]Be interesting who gives way for Pritchard on saturday den? Just hope storey is not sacrificed for him. We have been excellent with out him the last 3 games, and no one deserves to be dropped. Oh yeah mason forgot all about him smirg kcab
  • Score: 1

6:23pm Wed 2 Apr 14

Oi Den! says...

Grim, I hope he's on the bench and comes on if needed.
Grim, I hope he's on the bench and comes on if needed. Oi Den!
  • Score: 2

7:23pm Wed 2 Apr 14

swwindon61uk says...

I think we have a gem in Branco IMHO.
I think we have a gem in Branco IMHO. swwindon61uk
  • Score: 1

7:45pm Wed 2 Apr 14

London Red says...

Oi Den! wrote:
dreamofacleansheet2 wrote:
Den I don't want any team, Spurs, Real Madrid, Bayern Munich whoever having ANY say over any player having to play for us.

I'd really like Sam to nail this once and for all? For everyone's benefit? So we are 100% clear and then we can have our discussion based on FACT not hear say. My instinct is with Don69 - we pay a percentage of their wages whether they play or not and can pick who we like. If we don't play them they will be recalled but that's fine.

I do not KNOW this and if this is not correct I'd be deeply unhappy. I don't ever want us to be a feeder club for anyone else as we then no longer are Swindon Town - the team I've supported through mostly thin for nearly 40 years.
dreamo, you say "If we don't play them, they will be recalled and that's fine" but is it really fine? Suppose Cooper sees one of them as a decent squad player but not necessarily a first choice. Shouldn't he be able to leave that player out of the team for as long as he likes, without the threat of Spurs withdrawing his services? That's what he would do with one of our own players.

Maybe I'm reading too much into Cooper's comment but I would have felt much happier if he had said "All the loan players are treated exactly the same way as Swindon Town players".

Anyway, can't we get by very well without those three players? For different reasons, they have all been liabilities for us at times this season. Mason is an excellent footballer but has never looked committed. Pritchard has been the most successful but his discipline has been terrible. We have looked a stronger team without them, as 9 points out of 9 will testify.
This situation is no different than any long term loan up and down the country
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Premiership and Championship clubs loan their youngsters out to either get experience or put themselves in the shop window to generate transfer income
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For that reason (and especially as they normally pay most if not all their wages) if they are not playing then they will be recalled and either played in the U21 team or loaned elsewhere - as there is no point them being out otherwise
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Now that doesn't mean they have to start every game (and the Spurs lads have not - doesn't take much research to see they have started on the bench!) but it does mean they need to be involved if we want to keep them
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But if they are not involved - why would we want to keep them?
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Anyway think all have justified being here and get unfair stick
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Pritchard OK has gobbed off and got booked too many times - but when he has played which is still most the season he has excelled - why else is he a finalist for botvL1 player of the year and FL young player of the year?

Lets not foget Kasim is worse than Pritchard at gobbing off! - should he be excluded because of it?
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Mason has been hampered by injuries but we have certainly seen glances of what a good player he could be - but like Troy before his recent return!
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Hall I think gets unfair stick. Yes he made mistakes but who haven't? We haven't seem him with Troy to see if he would be better with him than with Ward! It's like Stephens - we haven't seen how he would fair with Ward!
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Would he be as impressive?
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At the time Hall had to play as we had no other options - not due to contracts. Branco has hardly been automatic choice - like Hall he has had some excellent games (Posh at home in the league) but also had some less impressive games!
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Now before den goes off on poor built squad again - let's not forget the legacy issue they were dealing with. Let's judge the squad next year when that has gone and if gaps like CB still exist then.
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Now Hall shouldn't start as we have a back 3 performing well - but if Jay or Troy have to drop out then why shouldn't he go in as cover?
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One question - would people componen if Stephens returns on loan and plays most games?
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If not why not - yet do about the Spurs lads?
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What if to get Stephens again we are asked to look at another Saints youngster - would that get complaints?
[quote][p][bold]Oi Den![/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]dreamofacleansheet2[/bold] wrote: Den I don't want any team, Spurs, Real Madrid, Bayern Munich whoever having ANY say over any player having to play for us. I'd really like Sam to nail this once and for all? For everyone's benefit? So we are 100% clear and then we can have our discussion based on FACT not hear say. My instinct is with Don69 - we pay a percentage of their wages whether they play or not and can pick who we like. If we don't play them they will be recalled but that's fine. I do not KNOW this and if this is not correct I'd be deeply unhappy. I don't ever want us to be a feeder club for anyone else as we then no longer are Swindon Town - the team I've supported through mostly thin for nearly 40 years.[/p][/quote]dreamo, you say "If we don't play them, they will be recalled and that's fine" but is it really fine? Suppose Cooper sees one of them as a decent squad player but not necessarily a first choice. Shouldn't he be able to leave that player out of the team for as long as he likes, without the threat of Spurs withdrawing his services? That's what he would do with one of our own players. Maybe I'm reading too much into Cooper's comment but I would have felt much happier if he had said "All the loan players are treated exactly the same way as Swindon Town players". Anyway, can't we get by very well without those three players? For different reasons, they have all been liabilities for us at times this season. Mason is an excellent footballer but has never looked committed. Pritchard has been the most successful but his discipline has been terrible. We have looked a stronger team without them, as 9 points out of 9 will testify.[/p][/quote]This situation is no different than any long term loan up and down the country . Premiership and Championship clubs loan their youngsters out to either get experience or put themselves in the shop window to generate transfer income . For that reason (and especially as they normally pay most if not all their wages) if they are not playing then they will be recalled and either played in the U21 team or loaned elsewhere - as there is no point them being out otherwise . Now that doesn't mean they have to start every game (and the Spurs lads have not - doesn't take much research to see they have started on the bench!) but it does mean they need to be involved if we want to keep them . But if they are not involved - why would we want to keep them? . Anyway think all have justified being here and get unfair stick . Pritchard OK has gobbed off and got booked too many times - but when he has played which is still most the season he has excelled - why else is he a finalist for botvL1 player of the year and FL young player of the year? Lets not foget Kasim is worse than Pritchard at gobbing off! - should he be excluded because of it? . Mason has been hampered by injuries but we have certainly seen glances of what a good player he could be - but like Troy before his recent return! . Hall I think gets unfair stick. Yes he made mistakes but who haven't? We haven't seem him with Troy to see if he would be better with him than with Ward! It's like Stephens - we haven't seen how he would fair with Ward! . Would he be as impressive? . At the time Hall had to play as we had no other options - not due to contracts. Branco has hardly been automatic choice - like Hall he has had some excellent games (Posh at home in the league) but also had some less impressive games! . Now before den goes off on poor built squad again - let's not forget the legacy issue they were dealing with. Let's judge the squad next year when that has gone and if gaps like CB still exist then. . Now Hall shouldn't start as we have a back 3 performing well - but if Jay or Troy have to drop out then why shouldn't he go in as cover? . One question - would people componen if Stephens returns on loan and plays most games? . If not why not - yet do about the Spurs lads? . What if to get Stephens again we are asked to look at another Saints youngster - would that get complaints? London Red
  • Score: -1

8:26pm Wed 2 Apr 14

Oi Den! says...

LR, I'm not having a go at Spurs in particular. Until this season I was naive enough to think that when we signed a player on loan that player simply became part of our squad, for the manager to use as he thought fit. I'm sure loaning clubs do want their players to get match practice and I'm sure they want them to be visible to potential buyers but I don't think they should be able to insist on it. If they can, it just shows what a ridiculous amount of power is in the hands of the bigger clubs. And if Hall was the best centre back available to us, doesn't that show Power got it wrong in the summer?
LR, I'm not having a go at Spurs in particular. Until this season I was naive enough to think that when we signed a player on loan that player simply became part of our squad, for the manager to use as he thought fit. I'm sure loaning clubs do want their players to get match practice and I'm sure they want them to be visible to potential buyers but I don't think they should be able to insist on it. If they can, it just shows what a ridiculous amount of power is in the hands of the bigger clubs. And if Hall was the best centre back available to us, doesn't that show Power got it wrong in the summer? Oi Den!
  • Score: 0

8:45pm Wed 2 Apr 14

bearwoodred says...

London Red wrote:
Chish and Fips wrote:
I will probably get shot down in flames here, but it is my concern and my thoughts- but is the club, with all things considered over this eventful 12 months ready for the Chumpionship - to be honest for the record I think not.
Are many clubs ever really ready for the step up?
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Think how many clubs bounce between L2-L1, L1-Championship and even more between the Championship and Premiership
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If we go up we simply need to try and grab the opportunities with both hands - aim for 4th from bottom and build from there
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We would just need to be more aggressive with our rebuild and boot out anyone not deemed good enough - ie less development players
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Then use the "extra wages" from that and the extra from the £5m income boost to add to the existing players to build a team good enough to stay up
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Wes, N.Thompson, Troy, Byrne, Luongo, L.Thompson and Ranger are for me the only ones who could really make it in the Championship next season
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Potentially Kasim could as the style may be more suited to his game
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Would need a lot of new players! We don't have XI there let alone a squad.
The constant going up and down by West Brom led to the boing boing Baggies Baggies song. Chuffing irritating I can tell you living here!!!!
[quote][p][bold]London Red[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Chish and Fips[/bold] wrote: I will probably get shot down in flames here, but it is my concern and my thoughts- but is the club, with all things considered over this eventful 12 months ready for the Chumpionship - to be honest for the record I think not.[/p][/quote]Are many clubs ever really ready for the step up? . Think how many clubs bounce between L2-L1, L1-Championship and even more between the Championship and Premiership . If we go up we simply need to try and grab the opportunities with both hands - aim for 4th from bottom and build from there . We would just need to be more aggressive with our rebuild and boot out anyone not deemed good enough - ie less development players . Then use the "extra wages" from that and the extra from the £5m income boost to add to the existing players to build a team good enough to stay up . Wes, N.Thompson, Troy, Byrne, Luongo, L.Thompson and Ranger are for me the only ones who could really make it in the Championship next season . Potentially Kasim could as the style may be more suited to his game . Would need a lot of new players! We don't have XI there let alone a squad.[/p][/quote]The constant going up and down by West Brom led to the boing boing Baggies Baggies song. Chuffing irritating I can tell you living here!!!! bearwoodred
  • Score: 0

9:29pm Wed 2 Apr 14

mancrobin says...

smirg kcab wrote:
Oi Den! wrote:
dreamofacleansheet2 wrote:
Den I don't want any team, Spurs, Real Madrid, Bayern Munich whoever having ANY say over any player having to play for us.

I'd really like Sam to nail this once and for all? For everyone's benefit? So we are 100% clear and then we can have our discussion based on FACT not hear say. My instinct is with Don69 - we pay a percentage of their wages whether they play or not and can pick who we like. If we don't play them they will be recalled but that's fine.

I do not KNOW this and if this is not correct I'd be deeply unhappy. I don't ever want us to be a feeder club for anyone else as we then no longer are Swindon Town - the team I've supported through mostly thin for nearly 40 years.
dreamo, you say "If we don't play them, they will be recalled and that's fine" but is it really fine? Suppose Cooper sees one of them as a decent squad player but not necessarily a first choice. Shouldn't he be able to leave that player out of the team for as long as he likes, without the threat of Spurs withdrawing his services? That's what he would do with one of our own players.

Maybe I'm reading too much into Cooper's comment but I would have felt much happier if he had said "All the loan players are treated exactly the same way as Swindon Town players".

Anyway, can't we get by very well without those three players? For different reasons, they have all been liabilities for us at times this season. Mason is an excellent footballer but has never looked committed. Pritchard has been the most successful but his discipline has been terrible. We have looked a stronger team without them, as 9 points out of 9 will testify.
Be interesting who gives way for Pritchard on saturday den? Just hope storey is not sacrificed for him. We have been excellent with out him the last 3 games, and no one deserves to be dropped.
Oh yeah mason forgot all about him
I would agree that it would good keep giving the players recently brought in an extended run. Makes sense in terms of team cohesion, winning team and opportunity to look at who to keep for next season.

Let's not forget however, that Pritchard had been a game changer a lot of times this season. Milton Keynes and Port Vale come to mind. He's young and impetuous at times but I'd have him in my squad any time.
[quote][p][bold]smirg kcab[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Oi Den![/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]dreamofacleansheet2[/bold] wrote: Den I don't want any team, Spurs, Real Madrid, Bayern Munich whoever having ANY say over any player having to play for us. I'd really like Sam to nail this once and for all? For everyone's benefit? So we are 100% clear and then we can have our discussion based on FACT not hear say. My instinct is with Don69 - we pay a percentage of their wages whether they play or not and can pick who we like. If we don't play them they will be recalled but that's fine. I do not KNOW this and if this is not correct I'd be deeply unhappy. I don't ever want us to be a feeder club for anyone else as we then no longer are Swindon Town - the team I've supported through mostly thin for nearly 40 years.[/p][/quote]dreamo, you say "If we don't play them, they will be recalled and that's fine" but is it really fine? Suppose Cooper sees one of them as a decent squad player but not necessarily a first choice. Shouldn't he be able to leave that player out of the team for as long as he likes, without the threat of Spurs withdrawing his services? That's what he would do with one of our own players. Maybe I'm reading too much into Cooper's comment but I would have felt much happier if he had said "All the loan players are treated exactly the same way as Swindon Town players". Anyway, can't we get by very well without those three players? For different reasons, they have all been liabilities for us at times this season. Mason is an excellent footballer but has never looked committed. Pritchard has been the most successful but his discipline has been terrible. We have looked a stronger team without them, as 9 points out of 9 will testify.[/p][/quote]Be interesting who gives way for Pritchard on saturday den? Just hope storey is not sacrificed for him. We have been excellent with out him the last 3 games, and no one deserves to be dropped. Oh yeah mason forgot all about him[/p][/quote]I would agree that it would good keep giving the players recently brought in an extended run. Makes sense in terms of team cohesion, winning team and opportunity to look at who to keep for next season. Let's not forget however, that Pritchard had been a game changer a lot of times this season. Milton Keynes and Port Vale come to mind. He's young and impetuous at times but I'd have him in my squad any time. mancrobin
  • Score: 1

9:50pm Wed 2 Apr 14

London Red says...

mancrobin wrote:
smirg kcab wrote:
Oi Den! wrote:
dreamofacleansheet2 wrote:
Den I don't want any team, Spurs, Real Madrid, Bayern Munich whoever having ANY say over any player having to play for us.

I'd really like Sam to nail this once and for all? For everyone's benefit? So we are 100% clear and then we can have our discussion based on FACT not hear say. My instinct is with Don69 - we pay a percentage of their wages whether they play or not and can pick who we like. If we don't play them they will be recalled but that's fine.

I do not KNOW this and if this is not correct I'd be deeply unhappy. I don't ever want us to be a feeder club for anyone else as we then no longer are Swindon Town - the team I've supported through mostly thin for nearly 40 years.
dreamo, you say "If we don't play them, they will be recalled and that's fine" but is it really fine? Suppose Cooper sees one of them as a decent squad player but not necessarily a first choice. Shouldn't he be able to leave that player out of the team for as long as he likes, without the threat of Spurs withdrawing his services? That's what he would do with one of our own players.

Maybe I'm reading too much into Cooper's comment but I would have felt much happier if he had said "All the loan players are treated exactly the same way as Swindon Town players".

Anyway, can't we get by very well without those three players? For different reasons, they have all been liabilities for us at times this season. Mason is an excellent footballer but has never looked committed. Pritchard has been the most successful but his discipline has been terrible. We have looked a stronger team without them, as 9 points out of 9 will testify.
Be interesting who gives way for Pritchard on saturday den? Just hope storey is not sacrificed for him. We have been excellent with out him the last 3 games, and no one deserves to be dropped.
Oh yeah mason forgot all about him
I would agree that it would good keep giving the players recently brought in an extended run. Makes sense in terms of team cohesion, winning team and opportunity to look at who to keep for next season.

Let's not forget however, that Pritchard had been a game changer a lot of times this season. Milton Keynes and Port Vale come to mind. He's young and impetuous at times but I'd have him in my squad any time.
Also team on Sat was not same team as at Tranmere who were not the same team against Preston or City before that!
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We have constantly been making tweaks through injuries or tactical - so making one or 2 at Carlisle would be no different
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It's often said Cooper should pick the strongest team possible and that would include Pritchard!
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Not sure why everyone thinks that means Storey dropped though - surely Pritchard would play behind the front two to try and make things happen
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Surely would replace Kasim, Gladwin or Cox?
[quote][p][bold]mancrobin[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]smirg kcab[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Oi Den![/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]dreamofacleansheet2[/bold] wrote: Den I don't want any team, Spurs, Real Madrid, Bayern Munich whoever having ANY say over any player having to play for us. I'd really like Sam to nail this once and for all? For everyone's benefit? So we are 100% clear and then we can have our discussion based on FACT not hear say. My instinct is with Don69 - we pay a percentage of their wages whether they play or not and can pick who we like. If we don't play them they will be recalled but that's fine. I do not KNOW this and if this is not correct I'd be deeply unhappy. I don't ever want us to be a feeder club for anyone else as we then no longer are Swindon Town - the team I've supported through mostly thin for nearly 40 years.[/p][/quote]dreamo, you say "If we don't play them, they will be recalled and that's fine" but is it really fine? Suppose Cooper sees one of them as a decent squad player but not necessarily a first choice. Shouldn't he be able to leave that player out of the team for as long as he likes, without the threat of Spurs withdrawing his services? That's what he would do with one of our own players. Maybe I'm reading too much into Cooper's comment but I would have felt much happier if he had said "All the loan players are treated exactly the same way as Swindon Town players". Anyway, can't we get by very well without those three players? For different reasons, they have all been liabilities for us at times this season. Mason is an excellent footballer but has never looked committed. Pritchard has been the most successful but his discipline has been terrible. We have looked a stronger team without them, as 9 points out of 9 will testify.[/p][/quote]Be interesting who gives way for Pritchard on saturday den? Just hope storey is not sacrificed for him. We have been excellent with out him the last 3 games, and no one deserves to be dropped. Oh yeah mason forgot all about him[/p][/quote]I would agree that it would good keep giving the players recently brought in an extended run. Makes sense in terms of team cohesion, winning team and opportunity to look at who to keep for next season. Let's not forget however, that Pritchard had been a game changer a lot of times this season. Milton Keynes and Port Vale come to mind. He's young and impetuous at times but I'd have him in my squad any time.[/p][/quote]Also team on Sat was not same team as at Tranmere who were not the same team against Preston or City before that! . We have constantly been making tweaks through injuries or tactical - so making one or 2 at Carlisle would be no different . It's often said Cooper should pick the strongest team possible and that would include Pritchard! . Not sure why everyone thinks that means Storey dropped though - surely Pritchard would play behind the front two to try and make things happen . Surely would replace Kasim, Gladwin or Cox? London Red
  • Score: 1

9:51pm Wed 2 Apr 14

Oxon-Red says...

the don69 wrote:
Man Yoo had only 26% possession last night and if Wellbeck hadn't fluffed that chance would have won! so much for possession it's what you do with that possession that matters too much (tippy-tappy) is a waste of possession!!!!!
Yeah tippy-tappy is a waste of possession, they should have allowed Manure 49% by lumping the ball forward and hoping. You have picked on one game, which they didn't lose, but fail to recognise that they are unbeaten in the German Premier league and have averaged 3 goals a game. They have scored in every game this season not bad for tippy tappy.

A f...ing hate the tippy tappy expression because it comes from Paolo because he identified that the players at the club were unable to play it. The teams that play tippy tappy well are European Champions, World Champions and Europa League Champions. The hoof it and hope have a good game every now and then but generally are also rans. No surpise that the top three in the premier league play tippy tappy well and that another that installed it whilst in Division 4 are now doing okay in the Premier league.

I say go back to hoof ball, NOT. Ask West Ham fans what type of football they would prefer.

COYMR
[quote][p][bold]the don69[/bold] wrote: Man Yoo had only 26% possession last night and if Wellbeck hadn't fluffed that chance would have won! so much for possession it's what you do with that possession that matters too much (tippy-tappy) is a waste of possession!!!!![/p][/quote]Yeah tippy-tappy is a waste of possession, they should have allowed Manure 49% by lumping the ball forward and hoping. You have picked on one game, which they didn't lose, but fail to recognise that they are unbeaten in the German Premier league and have averaged 3 goals a game. They have scored in every game this season not bad for tippy tappy. A f...ing hate the tippy tappy expression because it comes from Paolo because he identified that the players at the club were unable to play it. The teams that play tippy tappy well are European Champions, World Champions and Europa League Champions. The hoof it and hope have a good game every now and then but generally are also rans. No surpise that the top three in the premier league play tippy tappy well and that another that installed it whilst in Division 4 are now doing okay in the Premier league. I say go back to hoof ball, NOT. Ask West Ham fans what type of football they would prefer. COYMR Oxon-Red
  • Score: 2

10:08pm Wed 2 Apr 14

mancrobin says...

LR, agree it would not be Storey but would be a wide player and not Kasim, Cox or Gladwin. Alex Smith played wide at Tranmere and the formation has been 3 centre backs with 2 attacking fullbacks. If Pritchard came back in to the side, MC would probably revert to 442.
LR, agree it would not be Storey but would be a wide player and not Kasim, Cox or Gladwin. Alex Smith played wide at Tranmere and the formation has been 3 centre backs with 2 attacking fullbacks. If Pritchard came back in to the side, MC would probably revert to 442. mancrobin
  • Score: -1

10:08pm Wed 2 Apr 14

smirg kcab says...

London Red wrote:
mancrobin wrote:
smirg kcab wrote:
Oi Den! wrote:
dreamofacleansheet2 wrote:
Den I don't want any team, Spurs, Real Madrid, Bayern Munich whoever having ANY say over any player having to play for us.

I'd really like Sam to nail this once and for all? For everyone's benefit? So we are 100% clear and then we can have our discussion based on FACT not hear say. My instinct is with Don69 - we pay a percentage of their wages whether they play or not and can pick who we like. If we don't play them they will be recalled but that's fine.

I do not KNOW this and if this is not correct I'd be deeply unhappy. I don't ever want us to be a feeder club for anyone else as we then no longer are Swindon Town - the team I've supported through mostly thin for nearly 40 years.
dreamo, you say "If we don't play them, they will be recalled and that's fine" but is it really fine? Suppose Cooper sees one of them as a decent squad player but not necessarily a first choice. Shouldn't he be able to leave that player out of the team for as long as he likes, without the threat of Spurs withdrawing his services? That's what he would do with one of our own players.

Maybe I'm reading too much into Cooper's comment but I would have felt much happier if he had said "All the loan players are treated exactly the same way as Swindon Town players".

Anyway, can't we get by very well without those three players? For different reasons, they have all been liabilities for us at times this season. Mason is an excellent footballer but has never looked committed. Pritchard has been the most successful but his discipline has been terrible. We have looked a stronger team without them, as 9 points out of 9 will testify.
Be interesting who gives way for Pritchard on saturday den? Just hope storey is not sacrificed for him. We have been excellent with out him the last 3 games, and no one deserves to be dropped.
Oh yeah mason forgot all about him
I would agree that it would good keep giving the players recently brought in an extended run. Makes sense in terms of team cohesion, winning team and opportunity to look at who to keep for next season.

Let's not forget however, that Pritchard had been a game changer a lot of times this season. Milton Keynes and Port Vale come to mind. He's young and impetuous at times but I'd have him in my squad any time.
Also team on Sat was not same team as at Tranmere who were not the same team against Preston or City before that!
.
We have constantly been making tweaks through injuries or tactical - so making one or 2 at Carlisle would be no different
.
It's often said Cooper should pick the strongest team possible and that would include Pritchard!
.
Not sure why everyone thinks that means Storey dropped though - surely Pritchard would play behind the front two to try and make things happen
.
Surely would replace Kasim, Gladwin or Cox?
After his tantrum at city and letting his mates/fans and club down I don't think he should start after our last results.
IMO I still think he's a poor mans Matt Ritchie, good but not Ritchie's class and a liability.
Coopers got a hard job to name his team,
[quote][p][bold]London Red[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mancrobin[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]smirg kcab[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Oi Den![/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]dreamofacleansheet2[/bold] wrote: Den I don't want any team, Spurs, Real Madrid, Bayern Munich whoever having ANY say over any player having to play for us. I'd really like Sam to nail this once and for all? For everyone's benefit? So we are 100% clear and then we can have our discussion based on FACT not hear say. My instinct is with Don69 - we pay a percentage of their wages whether they play or not and can pick who we like. If we don't play them they will be recalled but that's fine. I do not KNOW this and if this is not correct I'd be deeply unhappy. I don't ever want us to be a feeder club for anyone else as we then no longer are Swindon Town - the team I've supported through mostly thin for nearly 40 years.[/p][/quote]dreamo, you say "If we don't play them, they will be recalled and that's fine" but is it really fine? Suppose Cooper sees one of them as a decent squad player but not necessarily a first choice. Shouldn't he be able to leave that player out of the team for as long as he likes, without the threat of Spurs withdrawing his services? That's what he would do with one of our own players. Maybe I'm reading too much into Cooper's comment but I would have felt much happier if he had said "All the loan players are treated exactly the same way as Swindon Town players". Anyway, can't we get by very well without those three players? For different reasons, they have all been liabilities for us at times this season. Mason is an excellent footballer but has never looked committed. Pritchard has been the most successful but his discipline has been terrible. We have looked a stronger team without them, as 9 points out of 9 will testify.[/p][/quote]Be interesting who gives way for Pritchard on saturday den? Just hope storey is not sacrificed for him. We have been excellent with out him the last 3 games, and no one deserves to be dropped. Oh yeah mason forgot all about him[/p][/quote]I would agree that it would good keep giving the players recently brought in an extended run. Makes sense in terms of team cohesion, winning team and opportunity to look at who to keep for next season. Let's not forget however, that Pritchard had been a game changer a lot of times this season. Milton Keynes and Port Vale come to mind. He's young and impetuous at times but I'd have him in my squad any time.[/p][/quote]Also team on Sat was not same team as at Tranmere who were not the same team against Preston or City before that! . We have constantly been making tweaks through injuries or tactical - so making one or 2 at Carlisle would be no different . It's often said Cooper should pick the strongest team possible and that would include Pritchard! . Not sure why everyone thinks that means Storey dropped though - surely Pritchard would play behind the front two to try and make things happen . Surely would replace Kasim, Gladwin or Cox?[/p][/quote]After his tantrum at city and letting his mates/fans and club down I don't think he should start after our last results. IMO I still think he's a poor mans Matt Ritchie, good but not Ritchie's class and a liability. Coopers got a hard job to name his team, smirg kcab
  • Score: 1

10:13pm Wed 2 Apr 14

Oi Den! says...

Oxon, I don't suppose there's a dictionary definition of "tippy tappy" but it seems a pretty good term for a type of football where the ball gets passed around slowly without urgency or purpose. We're still passing the ball around. The difference is we are now doing it at a higher tempo and we're mixing it up with some longer passes.

I don't think many fans want "hoofball" any more than they want "tippy tappy". It doesn't have to be one or the other. We seem to have found some middle ground recently, where the football is not only more energetic but bringing better results as well.
Oxon, I don't suppose there's a dictionary definition of "tippy tappy" but it seems a pretty good term for a type of football where the ball gets passed around slowly without urgency or purpose. We're still passing the ball around. The difference is we are now doing it at a higher tempo and we're mixing it up with some longer passes. I don't think many fans want "hoofball" any more than they want "tippy tappy". It doesn't have to be one or the other. We seem to have found some middle ground recently, where the football is not only more energetic but bringing better results as well. Oi Den!
  • Score: 2

10:39pm Wed 2 Apr 14

Oxon-Red says...

Oi Den! wrote:
Oxon, I don't suppose there's a dictionary definition of "tippy tappy" but it seems a pretty good term for a type of football where the ball gets passed around slowly without urgency or purpose. We're still passing the ball around. The difference is we are now doing it at a higher tempo and we're mixing it up with some longer passes.

I don't think many fans want "hoofball" any more than they want "tippy tappy". It doesn't have to be one or the other. We seem to have found some middle ground recently, where the football is not only more energetic but bringing better results as well.
Don't dispute what you are saying Den, we have had to play the ball quicker and are doing so with results. What narks me is the expression being used when we have lost, Paolo did it and people have picked up on it to throw at the management etc.

When it is played well it destroys the opponents. I watched the match against Man U last night and Bayern were brilliant first half. Every player anticipated the pass that was or could be made. I have to give credit to Man U because they were superb defensively and the changes Moyes mad at half time made a massive difference. We have looked to change and play in a similar manner with a patient build up. At times it hasn't worked because as you say we need to move it faster but I think you have to look at the age of the squad and the players we can afford.

I think we are learning and both goals on Saturday were very much the result of tippy tappy football played quickly.

I am excited about next season as basically the teams we have put out for the last three games are almost all contracted for next season I also see bigger contracts for lower league players becoming less and see no reason why we should not retain Cox, Jay and Troy on lower contracts. The fair play ruling will start to impact players, most clubs won't be able to afford big wages and players may take a contract rather than gamble on a better offer. Wes the big question mark but he is under contract, appears to be happy here and a club has to come in for him.

COYMR
[quote][p][bold]Oi Den![/bold] wrote: Oxon, I don't suppose there's a dictionary definition of "tippy tappy" but it seems a pretty good term for a type of football where the ball gets passed around slowly without urgency or purpose. We're still passing the ball around. The difference is we are now doing it at a higher tempo and we're mixing it up with some longer passes. I don't think many fans want "hoofball" any more than they want "tippy tappy". It doesn't have to be one or the other. We seem to have found some middle ground recently, where the football is not only more energetic but bringing better results as well.[/p][/quote]Don't dispute what you are saying Den, we have had to play the ball quicker and are doing so with results. What narks me is the expression being used when we have lost, Paolo did it and people have picked up on it to throw at the management etc. When it is played well it destroys the opponents. I watched the match against Man U last night and Bayern were brilliant first half. Every player anticipated the pass that was or could be made. I have to give credit to Man U because they were superb defensively and the changes Moyes mad at half time made a massive difference. We have looked to change and play in a similar manner with a patient build up. At times it hasn't worked because as you say we need to move it faster but I think you have to look at the age of the squad and the players we can afford. I think we are learning and both goals on Saturday were very much the result of tippy tappy football played quickly. I am excited about next season as basically the teams we have put out for the last three games are almost all contracted for next season I also see bigger contracts for lower league players becoming less and see no reason why we should not retain Cox, Jay and Troy on lower contracts. The fair play ruling will start to impact players, most clubs won't be able to afford big wages and players may take a contract rather than gamble on a better offer. Wes the big question mark but he is under contract, appears to be happy here and a club has to come in for him. COYMR Oxon-Red
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7:42am Thu 3 Apr 14

Oi Den! says...

Good post Oxon. I would probably just differ on "tippy tappy football played quickly" - that seems to contradict itself.

I'm all for possession football. Some of PDC's direct stuff was plain ugly. But the style has to be a means to an end. It was obvious from very early in the season, despite some good results, that the excruciatingly slow football and suicidal play at the back would see us getting picked off eventually. Cooper seems to have found the right balance now. He's doing a good job. If he can get the players he wants - within reason - and keep those he wants to keep, I agree with you that the prospects are bright.
Good post Oxon. I would probably just differ on "tippy tappy football played quickly" - that seems to contradict itself. I'm all for possession football. Some of PDC's direct stuff was plain ugly. But the style has to be a means to an end. It was obvious from very early in the season, despite some good results, that the excruciatingly slow football and suicidal play at the back would see us getting picked off eventually. Cooper seems to have found the right balance now. He's doing a good job. If he can get the players he wants - within reason - and keep those he wants to keep, I agree with you that the prospects are bright. Oi Den!
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8:15am Thu 3 Apr 14

Oxon-Red says...

Oi Den! wrote:
Good post Oxon. I would probably just differ on "tippy tappy football played quickly" - that seems to contradict itself.

I'm all for possession football. Some of PDC's direct stuff was plain ugly. But the style has to be a means to an end. It was obvious from very early in the season, despite some good results, that the excruciatingly slow football and suicidal play at the back would see us getting picked off eventually. Cooper seems to have found the right balance now. He's doing a good job. If he can get the players he wants - within reason - and keep those he wants to keep, I agree with you that the prospects are bright.
Den,

IMO the term "Tippy Tappy" was used by Paolo to insult patient possession football.

COYMR
[quote][p][bold]Oi Den![/bold] wrote: Good post Oxon. I would probably just differ on "tippy tappy football played quickly" - that seems to contradict itself. I'm all for possession football. Some of PDC's direct stuff was plain ugly. But the style has to be a means to an end. It was obvious from very early in the season, despite some good results, that the excruciatingly slow football and suicidal play at the back would see us getting picked off eventually. Cooper seems to have found the right balance now. He's doing a good job. If he can get the players he wants - within reason - and keep those he wants to keep, I agree with you that the prospects are bright.[/p][/quote]Den, IMO the term "Tippy Tappy" was used by Paolo to insult patient possession football. COYMR Oxon-Red
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9:33am Thu 3 Apr 14

Oi Den! says...

Oxon-Red wrote:
Oi Den! wrote:
Good post Oxon. I would probably just differ on "tippy tappy football played quickly" - that seems to contradict itself.

I'm all for possession football. Some of PDC's direct stuff was plain ugly. But the style has to be a means to an end. It was obvious from very early in the season, despite some good results, that the excruciatingly slow football and suicidal play at the back would see us getting picked off eventually. Cooper seems to have found the right balance now. He's doing a good job. If he can get the players he wants - within reason - and keep those he wants to keep, I agree with you that the prospects are bright.
Den,

IMO the term "Tippy Tappy" was used by Paolo to insult patient possession football.

COYMR
I think you're probably right Oxon. I'm just trying to make a distinction between what we have been doing until recently and the way the successful clubs do it. Our style was timid and tentative, so "tippy tappy" is probably a fair description. Theirs is fast and purposeful.
[quote][p][bold]Oxon-Red[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Oi Den![/bold] wrote: Good post Oxon. I would probably just differ on "tippy tappy football played quickly" - that seems to contradict itself. I'm all for possession football. Some of PDC's direct stuff was plain ugly. But the style has to be a means to an end. It was obvious from very early in the season, despite some good results, that the excruciatingly slow football and suicidal play at the back would see us getting picked off eventually. Cooper seems to have found the right balance now. He's doing a good job. If he can get the players he wants - within reason - and keep those he wants to keep, I agree with you that the prospects are bright.[/p][/quote]Den, IMO the term "Tippy Tappy" was used by Paolo to insult patient possession football. COYMR[/p][/quote]I think you're probably right Oxon. I'm just trying to make a distinction between what we have been doing until recently and the way the successful clubs do it. Our style was timid and tentative, so "tippy tappy" is probably a fair description. Theirs is fast and purposeful. Oi Den!
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9:42am Thu 3 Apr 14

the don69 says...

Oi Den! wrote:
Oxon-Red wrote:
Oi Den! wrote:
Good post Oxon. I would probably just differ on "tippy tappy football played quickly" - that seems to contradict itself.

I'm all for possession football. Some of PDC's direct stuff was plain ugly. But the style has to be a means to an end. It was obvious from very early in the season, despite some good results, that the excruciatingly slow football and suicidal play at the back would see us getting picked off eventually. Cooper seems to have found the right balance now. He's doing a good job. If he can get the players he wants - within reason - and keep those he wants to keep, I agree with you that the prospects are bright.
Den,

IMO the term "Tippy Tappy" was used by Paolo to insult patient possession football.

COYMR
I think you're probably right Oxon. I'm just trying to make a distinction between what we have been doing until recently and the way the successful clubs do it. Our style was timid and tentative, so "tippy tappy" is probably a fair description. Theirs is fast and purposeful.
Tippy-Tappy has been used for years chaps! before Paolo started using it,Tippy-Tappy= very slow meaningless passing around,keeping possession just holding the ball and boring the pants off the paying fans, who come to be entertained not put to sleep! it's like a Taxi driver taking you first to Marlborough to get to Cirencester lol!!!!!!!!!!
[quote][p][bold]Oi Den![/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Oxon-Red[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Oi Den![/bold] wrote: Good post Oxon. I would probably just differ on "tippy tappy football played quickly" - that seems to contradict itself. I'm all for possession football. Some of PDC's direct stuff was plain ugly. But the style has to be a means to an end. It was obvious from very early in the season, despite some good results, that the excruciatingly slow football and suicidal play at the back would see us getting picked off eventually. Cooper seems to have found the right balance now. He's doing a good job. If he can get the players he wants - within reason - and keep those he wants to keep, I agree with you that the prospects are bright.[/p][/quote]Den, IMO the term "Tippy Tappy" was used by Paolo to insult patient possession football. COYMR[/p][/quote]I think you're probably right Oxon. I'm just trying to make a distinction between what we have been doing until recently and the way the successful clubs do it. Our style was timid and tentative, so "tippy tappy" is probably a fair description. Theirs is fast and purposeful.[/p][/quote]Tippy-Tappy has been used for years chaps! before Paolo started using it,Tippy-Tappy= very slow meaningless passing around,keeping possession just holding the ball and boring the pants off the paying fans, who come to be entertained not put to sleep! it's like a Taxi driver taking you first to Marlborough to get to Cirencester lol!!!!!!!!!! the don69
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10:14am Thu 3 Apr 14

Oi Den! says...

... and never actually making it to Cirencester.

Must say I'd never heard the expression until PDC used it.
... and never actually making it to Cirencester. Must say I'd never heard the expression until PDC used it. Oi Den!
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10:19am Thu 3 Apr 14

the don69 says...

Oi Den! wrote:
... and never actually making it to Cirencester.

Must say I'd never heard the expression until PDC used it.
Think Ron Greenwood used once, saying to David Coleman we played too much slow Tippy-Tappy and needed faster movement in our passing!!
[quote][p][bold]Oi Den![/bold] wrote: ... and never actually making it to Cirencester. Must say I'd never heard the expression until PDC used it.[/p][/quote]Think Ron Greenwood used once, saying to David Coleman we played too much slow Tippy-Tappy and needed faster movement in our passing!! the don69
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12:14pm Thu 3 Apr 14

Swindon1984 says...

smirg kcab wrote:
Swindon1984 wrote:
andy5364 wrote:
smirg kcab wrote: Stfc forever
Only when it suits you . Your usual rubbish over the last few days im afraid . Try being nice for a change you might just feel better for it ..
Does make me chuckle - talks about how bad the ground is, calling fellow supporters "swindle," openly admits to slagging off and booing our own players and manager, and that was after a win! Everybody hates him - he don't care. Maybe should've been a Millwall supporter...
Everybody? My boyfriend loves me, trouble is I can't stand him. I'm working to find a new biitch.
Haha, fair play! Was just an expression by the way, and glad you didn't take offence.

Den, likewise - I don't hate anyone, life's too short.

And Grim, I agree with you on Pritchard, should probably be on the bench when he's back at least for the first game, for two reasons, one, he screwed up and shouldn't walk straight back into the team, and more importantly, we've one three on the bounce without him and it would be unfair on those that have played and done well.

Anyway, thoughts turn to Carlisle away - not always a good place for us to go but hopefully can get something from the game and will have to continue hoping that others screw up.
[quote][p][bold]smirg kcab[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Swindon1984[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]andy5364[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]smirg kcab[/bold] wrote: Stfc forever[/p][/quote]Only when it suits you . Your usual rubbish over the last few days im afraid . Try being nice for a change you might just feel better for it ..[/p][/quote]Does make me chuckle - talks about how bad the ground is, calling fellow supporters "swindle," openly admits to slagging off and booing our own players and manager, and that was after a win! Everybody hates him - he don't care. Maybe should've been a Millwall supporter...[/p][/quote]Everybody? My boyfriend loves me, trouble is I can't stand him. I'm working to find a new biitch.[/p][/quote]Haha, fair play! Was just an expression by the way, and glad you didn't take offence. Den, likewise - I don't hate anyone, life's too short. And Grim, I agree with you on Pritchard, should probably be on the bench when he's back at least for the first game, for two reasons, one, he screwed up and shouldn't walk straight back into the team, and more importantly, we've one three on the bounce without him and it would be unfair on those that have played and done well. Anyway, thoughts turn to Carlisle away - not always a good place for us to go but hopefully can get something from the game and will have to continue hoping that others screw up. Swindon1984
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5:40pm Thu 3 Apr 14

Chish and Fips says...

the don69 wrote:
Oi Den! wrote:
... and never actually making it to Cirencester.

Must say I'd never heard the expression until PDC used it.
Think Ron Greenwood used once, saying to David Coleman we played too much slow Tippy-Tappy and needed faster movement in our passing!!
I think Dennis Wise also used that term Tippy Tappy more than once when summing his annoyance of the tactic. ..... just to add my two penny worth for what's it is worth...
[quote][p][bold]the don69[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Oi Den![/bold] wrote: ... and never actually making it to Cirencester. Must say I'd never heard the expression until PDC used it.[/p][/quote]Think Ron Greenwood used once, saying to David Coleman we played too much slow Tippy-Tappy and needed faster movement in our passing!![/p][/quote]I think Dennis Wise also used that term Tippy Tappy more than once when summing his annoyance of the tactic. ..... just to add my two penny worth for what's it is worth... Chish and Fips
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