Town's average age could drop again

The Wiltshire Gazette and Herald: Mark Cooper Mark Cooper

SWINDON Town’s average age may drop again over the summer, according to manager Mark Cooper, who is already planning his summer recruitment drive.

Of Town’s current squad only five players are over the age of 25 – Jay McEveley, Ryan Harley, Darren Ward, Andy Williams and Dany N’Guessan – three of whom, Williams, N’Guessan and McEveley, are out of contract at the end of the campaign.

With owner Lee Power expected to take a slice off the wage budget once again in the off-season and the club continuing its pursuit of young, unrefined talent, Cooper has hinted that come the start of the new term there may be less experience amongst his ranks.

The Robins boss and his chairman have begun the task of identifying the players they feel will best fit into the model which is currently being implemented at the County Ground, with Cooper saying: “I don’t think we’d be doing our job properly if we didn’t start planning for next season and looking at what players may become available and fit into how we want to do things.

“We are where we are in terms of we’re not quite right yet. We’re still eighth in the league but we need to finish the season strongly so that we’re ready for next season.

“It depends on what we bring in to go with what we’ve got, we may be even younger next year. It will be difficult but that’s the way it is. We have to work with the players to try to make them better.”

Meanwhile, the four second-year scholars currently waiting on news of whether or not they have secured professional deals at Town – Matty Jones, Curtis Da Costa, Salvyn Kisitu and Liam Walsh – may soon know their fates.

Cooper told the Advertiser decisions on the quartet were imminent, saying: “I’ve got to speak to the academy manager and Jamie Pitman this week and start making decisions.”

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6:06am Mon 10 Mar 14

stokes_stfc says...

I hope we do learn our lesson from how performances have gone over the past 10 games or so, and appreciate that we really do miss a bit of experience in the squad and lack the ability to dig deep and see games out ... But from the sounds of it we will be in for more young pages... I don't have a problem with that but think a bit of experience is also essential (especially cause ward will be drifting closer to a coaching role rather than playing).

I would hope that with the likes of Benson, Williams, cox, navarro off the wage bill (plus by the sounds of it Harley, jmac and nguessan, plus I wouldn't be surprised if troy goes) that we would be able to bring in one or 2 decent payers with some league experience (a striker and cb ideally). I would much rather see us with a smaller squad with a good blend of youth / experience, and technical ability / physical strength, rather than a big squad of light weight players
I hope we do learn our lesson from how performances have gone over the past 10 games or so, and appreciate that we really do miss a bit of experience in the squad and lack the ability to dig deep and see games out ... But from the sounds of it we will be in for more young pages... I don't have a problem with that but think a bit of experience is also essential (especially cause ward will be drifting closer to a coaching role rather than playing). I would hope that with the likes of Benson, Williams, cox, navarro off the wage bill (plus by the sounds of it Harley, jmac and nguessan, plus I wouldn't be surprised if troy goes) that we would be able to bring in one or 2 decent payers with some league experience (a striker and cb ideally). I would much rather see us with a smaller squad with a good blend of youth / experience, and technical ability / physical strength, rather than a big squad of light weight players stokes_stfc
  • Score: 21

6:53am Mon 10 Mar 14

Rgbargee says...

stokes_stfc wrote:
I hope we do learn our lesson from how performances have gone over the past 10 games or so, and appreciate that we really do miss a bit of experience in the squad and lack the ability to dig deep and see games out ... But from the sounds of it we will be in for more young pages... I don't have a problem with that but think a bit of experience is also essential (especially cause ward will be drifting closer to a coaching role rather than playing).

I would hope that with the likes of Benson, Williams, cox, navarro off the wage bill (plus by the sounds of it Harley, jmac and nguessan, plus I wouldn't be surprised if troy goes) that we would be able to bring in one or 2 decent payers with some league experience (a striker and cb ideally). I would much rather see us with a smaller squad with a good blend of youth / experience, and technical ability / physical strength, rather than a big squad of light weight players
I agree with the above post and wonder how we will ever get out of league one without some "tough old pros "to guide the youth.
If Lee cuts the budget further we are unlikely to attract the caliber of player most of want to see playing at Swindon. It's fair enough saying we have to live within our means, but to grow into a bigger club we need to invest more. Perhaps Lee needs some financial support from another investor or two.
I fear we are going to be mid table(at best) again next year unless we have more financial backing.
I am sorry to say I don't feel very optimistic for our long term future with the current model. Am I selfish to want the best for the STFC?
[quote][p][bold]stokes_stfc[/bold] wrote: I hope we do learn our lesson from how performances have gone over the past 10 games or so, and appreciate that we really do miss a bit of experience in the squad and lack the ability to dig deep and see games out ... But from the sounds of it we will be in for more young pages... I don't have a problem with that but think a bit of experience is also essential (especially cause ward will be drifting closer to a coaching role rather than playing). I would hope that with the likes of Benson, Williams, cox, navarro off the wage bill (plus by the sounds of it Harley, jmac and nguessan, plus I wouldn't be surprised if troy goes) that we would be able to bring in one or 2 decent payers with some league experience (a striker and cb ideally). I would much rather see us with a smaller squad with a good blend of youth / experience, and technical ability / physical strength, rather than a big squad of light weight players[/p][/quote]I agree with the above post and wonder how we will ever get out of league one without some "tough old pros "to guide the youth. If Lee cuts the budget further we are unlikely to attract the caliber of player most of want to see playing at Swindon. It's fair enough saying we have to live within our means, but to grow into a bigger club we need to invest more. Perhaps Lee needs some financial support from another investor or two. I fear we are going to be mid table(at best) again next year unless we have more financial backing. I am sorry to say I don't feel very optimistic for our long term future with the current model. Am I selfish to want the best for the STFC? Rgbargee
  • Score: 15

8:43am Mon 10 Mar 14

London Red says...

Everyone wants the best - but too many forget it's not their money they are spending!
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We have seen first hand when you start spending too much of other peoples
Money what happens!
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We never went up under our multi millionaire consortium (remember their net worth was some £500m) - in fact we nearly went out of business!
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Fans kicked off over a small increase in ST prices as they are not prepared to pay "that much" - yet want Power to up the budget!
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Think too much focus is put on the word cut without looking at how that is going to happen. It's rumoured that the likes of Benson Williams, Navarro, McEveley, Troy, Cox and Rooney are the last of the £3k bregrade
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That's 7 players earning about £150k a year or £1.2m a season!
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OK we will have recouped some by the loans of Benson and Williams and terminating Rooney early - plus we may keep Jay and or Troy if they take a cut but you are looking at probably £750k without effecting the squad or team too heavily -Jay and Troy are not high up the performance charts!
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We can also reduce the age of the squad by increasing the age of the team
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If Benson and Navarro are included the by removing their 67 years and replacing it with 2 active member with a combined age of 52 will cut the average age.
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If that continues with Williams at 28 wih a 26 year old same effect and so on
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Our better performers also hVent been the older ones. You don't have to be old to be experienced. We just need to identify gaps in the make up and address it
.
Players can be 24/25 and be great if the right type
Everyone wants the best - but too many forget it's not their money they are spending! . We have seen first hand when you start spending too much of other peoples Money what happens! . We never went up under our multi millionaire consortium (remember their net worth was some £500m) - in fact we nearly went out of business! . Fans kicked off over a small increase in ST prices as they are not prepared to pay "that much" - yet want Power to up the budget! . Think too much focus is put on the word cut without looking at how that is going to happen. It's rumoured that the likes of Benson Williams, Navarro, McEveley, Troy, Cox and Rooney are the last of the £3k bregrade . That's 7 players earning about £150k a year or £1.2m a season! . OK we will have recouped some by the loans of Benson and Williams and terminating Rooney early - plus we may keep Jay and or Troy if they take a cut but you are looking at probably £750k without effecting the squad or team too heavily -Jay and Troy are not high up the performance charts! . We can also reduce the age of the squad by increasing the age of the team . If Benson and Navarro are included the by removing their 67 years and replacing it with 2 active member with a combined age of 52 will cut the average age. . If that continues with Williams at 28 wih a 26 year old same effect and so on . Our better performers also hVent been the older ones. You don't have to be old to be experienced. We just need to identify gaps in the make up and address it . Players can be 24/25 and be great if the right type London Red
  • Score: 15

8:44am Mon 10 Mar 14

London Red says...

The 1.2m should say combined
The 1.2m should say combined London Red
  • Score: 0

9:05am Mon 10 Mar 14

bearwoodred says...

London Red wrote:
Everyone wants the best - but too many forget it's not their money they are spending!
.
We have seen first hand when you start spending too much of other peoples
Money what happens!
.
We never went up under our multi millionaire consortium (remember their net worth was some £500m) - in fact we nearly went out of business!
.
Fans kicked off over a small increase in ST prices as they are not prepared to pay "that much" - yet want Power to up the budget!
.
Think too much focus is put on the word cut without looking at how that is going to happen. It's rumoured that the likes of Benson Williams, Navarro, McEveley, Troy, Cox and Rooney are the last of the £3k bregrade
.
That's 7 players earning about £150k a year or £1.2m a season!
.
OK we will have recouped some by the loans of Benson and Williams and terminating Rooney early - plus we may keep Jay and or Troy if they take a cut but you are looking at probably £750k without effecting the squad or team too heavily -Jay and Troy are not high up the performance charts!
.
We can also reduce the age of the squad by increasing the age of the team
.
If Benson and Navarro are included the by removing their 67 years and replacing it with 2 active member with a combined age of 52 will cut the average age.
.
If that continues with Williams at 28 wih a 26 year old same effect and so on
.
Our better performers also hVent been the older ones. You don't have to be old to be experienced. We just need to identify gaps in the make up and address it
.
Players can be 24/25 and be great if the right type
top post London
[quote][p][bold]London Red[/bold] wrote: Everyone wants the best - but too many forget it's not their money they are spending! . We have seen first hand when you start spending too much of other peoples Money what happens! . We never went up under our multi millionaire consortium (remember their net worth was some £500m) - in fact we nearly went out of business! . Fans kicked off over a small increase in ST prices as they are not prepared to pay "that much" - yet want Power to up the budget! . Think too much focus is put on the word cut without looking at how that is going to happen. It's rumoured that the likes of Benson Williams, Navarro, McEveley, Troy, Cox and Rooney are the last of the £3k bregrade . That's 7 players earning about £150k a year or £1.2m a season! . OK we will have recouped some by the loans of Benson and Williams and terminating Rooney early - plus we may keep Jay and or Troy if they take a cut but you are looking at probably £750k without effecting the squad or team too heavily -Jay and Troy are not high up the performance charts! . We can also reduce the age of the squad by increasing the age of the team . If Benson and Navarro are included the by removing their 67 years and replacing it with 2 active member with a combined age of 52 will cut the average age. . If that continues with Williams at 28 wih a 26 year old same effect and so on . Our better performers also hVent been the older ones. You don't have to be old to be experienced. We just need to identify gaps in the make up and address it . Players can be 24/25 and be great if the right type[/p][/quote]top post London bearwoodred
  • Score: 3

9:41am Mon 10 Mar 14

ScottLeitch says...

We talk about nurturing youngsters but we cant even be bothered to give one of our own who has been crying out for a chance... Miles Storey. He will be a good player for somebody just not us.
We talk about nurturing youngsters but we cant even be bothered to give one of our own who has been crying out for a chance... Miles Storey. He will be a good player for somebody just not us. ScottLeitch
  • Score: 5

10:09am Mon 10 Mar 14

Swindon1984 says...

Strange that being a young team has been the excuse so many times for dropping points - the answer being to drop the average age further?

I get the point, if we can get young players in, get them playing together and form a proper team, a unit, then fine. But at first glance it seems a strange response.
Strange that being a young team has been the excuse so many times for dropping points - the answer being to drop the average age further? I get the point, if we can get young players in, get them playing together and form a proper team, a unit, then fine. But at first glance it seems a strange response. Swindon1984
  • Score: 3

10:56am Mon 10 Mar 14

Wildwestener says...

ScottLeitch wrote:
We talk about nurturing youngsters but we cant even be bothered to give one of our own who has been crying out for a chance... Miles Storey. He will be a good player for somebody just not us.
Seeing how toothless we were on Saturday, I am mystified by us loaning out Storey. He can't be any worse than our other attacking options surely
[quote][p][bold]ScottLeitch[/bold] wrote: We talk about nurturing youngsters but we cant even be bothered to give one of our own who has been crying out for a chance... Miles Storey. He will be a good player for somebody just not us.[/p][/quote]Seeing how toothless we were on Saturday, I am mystified by us loaning out Storey. He can't be any worse than our other attacking options surely Wildwestener
  • Score: 7

11:11am Mon 10 Mar 14

Redgollum says...

The excuse has been that the players are young & still learning. But they have had 3/4 of a season now & got worse, not better. This season has been wasted Now it seems that we have to start again from scratch next season, probably the same excuses then. Any of the better loan players will go back, so what foundation have we built this season? The whole club seems to be built as a house of straw, & sides like MKD can huff & puff & blow it down. What is Cooper's role? He doesn't seem to have the authority to sign players. He obviously can't coach the ones he is given or even get them fit enough to last out a game.
The excuse has been that the players are young & still learning. But they have had 3/4 of a season now & got worse, not better. This season has been wasted Now it seems that we have to start again from scratch next season, probably the same excuses then. Any of the better loan players will go back, so what foundation have we built this season? The whole club seems to be built as a house of straw, & sides like MKD can huff & puff & blow it down. What is Cooper's role? He doesn't seem to have the authority to sign players. He obviously can't coach the ones he is given or even get them fit enough to last out a game. Redgollum
  • Score: 3

11:35am Mon 10 Mar 14

London Red says...

Being young and learning doesn't just dissappear after a few weeks!
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Expereince is gained over years!
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So as Cooper rightly said lots of our young players who are learning during their first proper year as a pro will be better next term in the 2nd
.
They are then likely to be better still the year after as they enter their 3rd season and so on
.
Yet lots of them will still be young even in that 3rd season - as the likes of Luongo will still be under 24!
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How has this season been wasted?
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Were we not meant to be relegation fodder? If so how can be comfortable in 8th be a waste? (plus already safe as no one below Stevenage has picked up over a point a game so far - why will they do that now - plus that assumes we get no points between now onwards which is even less likely!)
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This year was a season of transition and has given us a great core to build around - Foderingham, N.Thompson, Byrne, L.Thomspn, Kasim, Luongo and hopefully Ranger will provide the basis of our team
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only 2 were here last summer so that is a massive step forwards
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Who really cares if we release a load of players who are not good enough and only ever been on the fringes and replace them with others who may improve us?
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We don't know who is going yet but unless they are the 7 above plus potentially 3 or 4 others I doubt too many will be up in arms
.
Plus we don't know who will be coming in to replace them - Williams went and Ranger came in - I know which I'm happier with!
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Ferry went and Luongo came in - I know who I'm happier with - I'm pretty certain who Pompy would rather have too!
.
Lets judge next season squad in august when we see who is in it - not March on a whole load of specualtion
Being young and learning doesn't just dissappear after a few weeks! . Expereince is gained over years! . So as Cooper rightly said lots of our young players who are learning during their first proper year as a pro will be better next term in the 2nd . They are then likely to be better still the year after as they enter their 3rd season and so on . Yet lots of them will still be young even in that 3rd season - as the likes of Luongo will still be under 24! . How has this season been wasted? . Were we not meant to be relegation fodder? If so how can be comfortable in 8th be a waste? (plus already safe as no one below Stevenage has picked up over a point a game so far - why will they do that now - plus that assumes we get no points between now onwards which is even less likely!) . This year was a season of transition and has given us a great core to build around - Foderingham, N.Thompson, Byrne, L.Thomspn, Kasim, Luongo and hopefully Ranger will provide the basis of our team . only 2 were here last summer so that is a massive step forwards . Who really cares if we release a load of players who are not good enough and only ever been on the fringes and replace them with others who may improve us? . We don't know who is going yet but unless they are the 7 above plus potentially 3 or 4 others I doubt too many will be up in arms . Plus we don't know who will be coming in to replace them - Williams went and Ranger came in - I know which I'm happier with! . Ferry went and Luongo came in - I know who I'm happier with - I'm pretty certain who Pompy would rather have too! . Lets judge next season squad in august when we see who is in it - not March on a whole load of specualtion London Red
  • Score: 7

11:42am Mon 10 Mar 14

London Red says...

ScottLeitch wrote:
We talk about nurturing youngsters but we cant even be bothered to give one of our own who has been crying out for a chance... Miles Storey. He will be a good player for somebody just not us.
Storey is contracted until 2015 so has plenty of time to have "a chance"
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He has hardly set the world on fire at Shrewsbury - so why would we play him now if not ready - especially as the POs were a chance until Sat?
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I'm sure he will come back and be in and around the squad - but will not start as not ready as demonstrated by his performances this season
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N.Thompson who is a few years older only broke through last season and that was only after Flint got injured - before that he was always waiting for his chance and was behind Devera at RB!
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That wiat hasn't done him any harm - so why should Miles be any difference?
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If Miles was ready and already good enough he WOULD be playing - see Louis Thompson for evidence of that!
[quote][p][bold]ScottLeitch[/bold] wrote: We talk about nurturing youngsters but we cant even be bothered to give one of our own who has been crying out for a chance... Miles Storey. He will be a good player for somebody just not us.[/p][/quote]Storey is contracted until 2015 so has plenty of time to have "a chance" . He has hardly set the world on fire at Shrewsbury - so why would we play him now if not ready - especially as the POs were a chance until Sat? . I'm sure he will come back and be in and around the squad - but will not start as not ready as demonstrated by his performances this season . N.Thompson who is a few years older only broke through last season and that was only after Flint got injured - before that he was always waiting for his chance and was behind Devera at RB! . That wiat hasn't done him any harm - so why should Miles be any difference? . If Miles was ready and already good enough he WOULD be playing - see Louis Thompson for evidence of that! London Red
  • Score: 2

11:44am Mon 10 Mar 14

Swindon1984 says...

London Red wrote:
Being young and learning doesn't just dissappear after a few weeks! . Expereince is gained over years! . So as Cooper rightly said lots of our young players who are learning during their first proper year as a pro will be better next term in the 2nd . They are then likely to be better still the year after as they enter their 3rd season and so on . Yet lots of them will still be young even in that 3rd season - as the likes of Luongo will still be under 24! . How has this season been wasted? . Were we not meant to be relegation fodder? If so how can be comfortable in 8th be a waste? (plus already safe as no one below Stevenage has picked up over a point a game so far - why will they do that now - plus that assumes we get no points between now onwards which is even less likely!) . This year was a season of transition and has given us a great core to build around - Foderingham, N.Thompson, Byrne, L.Thomspn, Kasim, Luongo and hopefully Ranger will provide the basis of our team . only 2 were here last summer so that is a massive step forwards . Who really cares if we release a load of players who are not good enough and only ever been on the fringes and replace them with others who may improve us? . We don't know who is going yet but unless they are the 7 above plus potentially 3 or 4 others I doubt too many will be up in arms . Plus we don't know who will be coming in to replace them - Williams went and Ranger came in - I know which I'm happier with! . Ferry went and Luongo came in - I know who I'm happier with - I'm pretty certain who Pompy would rather have too! . Lets judge next season squad in august when we see who is in it - not March on a whole load of specualtion
All fair points LR, but if you can honestly say you left Saturday feeling anything other than total disappointment and as a fan, you'd been given two fingers I'd be very surprised. The feeling for me with the lack of ambition second half to go on and win was "if we scrape a draw, it'll be good enough for them." Like as supporters we shouldn't expect effort and hard work from the players. Seriously, was livid walking out of the ground.

I get that we need time to put a team together, I get that wage bills need to go down, I get that there'll be blips and we won't win every game, but what I can't take is a complete lack of motivation in the players and being walked all over. MK looked like nothing in that first half, and until we sat back and let them play, never looked like scoring. Too many times this season we've allowed teams back into the match, and it's frustrating in the extreme. If we lose a few games fine, no-one expects us to win every week, but Cooper has to motivate these players to come out and fire on all cylinders, that's his job.
[quote][p][bold]London Red[/bold] wrote: Being young and learning doesn't just dissappear after a few weeks! . Expereince is gained over years! . So as Cooper rightly said lots of our young players who are learning during their first proper year as a pro will be better next term in the 2nd . They are then likely to be better still the year after as they enter their 3rd season and so on . Yet lots of them will still be young even in that 3rd season - as the likes of Luongo will still be under 24! . How has this season been wasted? . Were we not meant to be relegation fodder? If so how can be comfortable in 8th be a waste? (plus already safe as no one below Stevenage has picked up over a point a game so far - why will they do that now - plus that assumes we get no points between now onwards which is even less likely!) . This year was a season of transition and has given us a great core to build around - Foderingham, N.Thompson, Byrne, L.Thomspn, Kasim, Luongo and hopefully Ranger will provide the basis of our team . only 2 were here last summer so that is a massive step forwards . Who really cares if we release a load of players who are not good enough and only ever been on the fringes and replace them with others who may improve us? . We don't know who is going yet but unless they are the 7 above plus potentially 3 or 4 others I doubt too many will be up in arms . Plus we don't know who will be coming in to replace them - Williams went and Ranger came in - I know which I'm happier with! . Ferry went and Luongo came in - I know who I'm happier with - I'm pretty certain who Pompy would rather have too! . Lets judge next season squad in august when we see who is in it - not March on a whole load of specualtion[/p][/quote]All fair points LR, but if you can honestly say you left Saturday feeling anything other than total disappointment and as a fan, you'd been given two fingers I'd be very surprised. The feeling for me with the lack of ambition second half to go on and win was "if we scrape a draw, it'll be good enough for them." Like as supporters we shouldn't expect effort and hard work from the players. Seriously, was livid walking out of the ground. I get that we need time to put a team together, I get that wage bills need to go down, I get that there'll be blips and we won't win every game, but what I can't take is a complete lack of motivation in the players and being walked all over. MK looked like nothing in that first half, and until we sat back and let them play, never looked like scoring. Too many times this season we've allowed teams back into the match, and it's frustrating in the extreme. If we lose a few games fine, no-one expects us to win every week, but Cooper has to motivate these players to come out and fire on all cylinders, that's his job. Swindon1984
  • Score: 4

11:56am Mon 10 Mar 14

Redgollum says...

London Red wrote:
Being young and learning doesn't just dissappear after a few weeks!
.
Expereince is gained over years!
.
So as Cooper rightly said lots of our young players who are learning during their first proper year as a pro will be better next term in the 2nd
.
They are then likely to be better still the year after as they enter their 3rd season and so on
.
Yet lots of them will still be young even in that 3rd season - as the likes of Luongo will still be under 24!
.
How has this season been wasted?
.
Were we not meant to be relegation fodder? If so how can be comfortable in 8th be a waste? (plus already safe as no one below Stevenage has picked up over a point a game so far - why will they do that now - plus that assumes we get no points between now onwards which is even less likely!)
.
This year was a season of transition and has given us a great core to build around - Foderingham, N.Thompson, Byrne, L.Thomspn, Kasim, Luongo and hopefully Ranger will provide the basis of our team
.
only 2 were here last summer so that is a massive step forwards
.
Who really cares if we release a load of players who are not good enough and only ever been on the fringes and replace them with others who may improve us?
.
We don't know who is going yet but unless they are the 7 above plus potentially 3 or 4 others I doubt too many will be up in arms
.
Plus we don't know who will be coming in to replace them - Williams went and Ranger came in - I know which I'm happier with!
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Ferry went and Luongo came in - I know who I'm happier with - I'm pretty certain who Pompy would rather have too!
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Lets judge next season squad in august when we see who is in it - not March on a whole load of specualtion
Well, if those 7 will definitely be playing for us next season, I have no arguments. If they are not, then the season has been wasted.
[quote][p][bold]London Red[/bold] wrote: Being young and learning doesn't just dissappear after a few weeks! . Expereince is gained over years! . So as Cooper rightly said lots of our young players who are learning during their first proper year as a pro will be better next term in the 2nd . They are then likely to be better still the year after as they enter their 3rd season and so on . Yet lots of them will still be young even in that 3rd season - as the likes of Luongo will still be under 24! . How has this season been wasted? . Were we not meant to be relegation fodder? If so how can be comfortable in 8th be a waste? (plus already safe as no one below Stevenage has picked up over a point a game so far - why will they do that now - plus that assumes we get no points between now onwards which is even less likely!) . This year was a season of transition and has given us a great core to build around - Foderingham, N.Thompson, Byrne, L.Thomspn, Kasim, Luongo and hopefully Ranger will provide the basis of our team . only 2 were here last summer so that is a massive step forwards . Who really cares if we release a load of players who are not good enough and only ever been on the fringes and replace them with others who may improve us? . We don't know who is going yet but unless they are the 7 above plus potentially 3 or 4 others I doubt too many will be up in arms . Plus we don't know who will be coming in to replace them - Williams went and Ranger came in - I know which I'm happier with! . Ferry went and Luongo came in - I know who I'm happier with - I'm pretty certain who Pompy would rather have too! . Lets judge next season squad in august when we see who is in it - not March on a whole load of specualtion[/p][/quote]Well, if those 7 will definitely be playing for us next season, I have no arguments. If they are not, then the season has been wasted. Redgollum
  • Score: 0

12:23pm Mon 10 Mar 14

Bassett Hound says...

ScottLeitch wrote:
We talk about nurturing youngsters but we cant even be bothered to give one of our own who has been crying out for a chance... Miles Storey. He will be a good player for somebody just not us.
Most players force their way into the first team by excelling in training,clearly Miles has not done that.

His spell at Salisbury was a disaster and at Shrewsbury he is struggling.

At some stage I think he will come through and wish him well.
[quote][p][bold]ScottLeitch[/bold] wrote: We talk about nurturing youngsters but we cant even be bothered to give one of our own who has been crying out for a chance... Miles Storey. He will be a good player for somebody just not us.[/p][/quote]Most players force their way into the first team by excelling in training,clearly Miles has not done that. His spell at Salisbury was a disaster and at Shrewsbury he is struggling. At some stage I think he will come through and wish him well. Bassett Hound
  • Score: 0

1:12pm Mon 10 Mar 14

London Red says...

Redgollum wrote:
London Red wrote: Being young and learning doesn't just dissappear after a few weeks! . Expereince is gained over years! . So as Cooper rightly said lots of our young players who are learning during their first proper year as a pro will be better next term in the 2nd . They are then likely to be better still the year after as they enter their 3rd season and so on . Yet lots of them will still be young even in that 3rd season - as the likes of Luongo will still be under 24! . How has this season been wasted? . Were we not meant to be relegation fodder? If so how can be comfortable in 8th be a waste? (plus already safe as no one below Stevenage has picked up over a point a game so far - why will they do that now - plus that assumes we get no points between now onwards which is even less likely!) . This year was a season of transition and has given us a great core to build around - Foderingham, N.Thompson, Byrne, L.Thomspn, Kasim, Luongo and hopefully Ranger will provide the basis of our team . only 2 were here last summer so that is a massive step forwards . Who really cares if we release a load of players who are not good enough and only ever been on the fringes and replace them with others who may improve us? . We don't know who is going yet but unless they are the 7 above plus potentially 3 or 4 others I doubt too many will be up in arms . Plus we don't know who will be coming in to replace them - Williams went and Ranger came in - I know which I'm happier with! . Ferry went and Luongo came in - I know who I'm happier with - I'm pretty certain who Pompy would rather have too! . Lets judge next season squad in august when we see who is in it - not March on a whole load of specualtion
Well, if those 7 will definitely be playing for us next season, I have no arguments. If they are not, then the season has been wasted.
All are under contract or have options to be under contract
.
Lets see what the summer brings!
.
2013/14 was always going to be a year of transition and it has not been that bad
.
Lets take the good parts of the squad and add to it - which is pretty much what Cooper is saying!
[quote][p][bold]Redgollum[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]London Red[/bold] wrote: Being young and learning doesn't just dissappear after a few weeks! . Expereince is gained over years! . So as Cooper rightly said lots of our young players who are learning during their first proper year as a pro will be better next term in the 2nd . They are then likely to be better still the year after as they enter their 3rd season and so on . Yet lots of them will still be young even in that 3rd season - as the likes of Luongo will still be under 24! . How has this season been wasted? . Were we not meant to be relegation fodder? If so how can be comfortable in 8th be a waste? (plus already safe as no one below Stevenage has picked up over a point a game so far - why will they do that now - plus that assumes we get no points between now onwards which is even less likely!) . This year was a season of transition and has given us a great core to build around - Foderingham, N.Thompson, Byrne, L.Thomspn, Kasim, Luongo and hopefully Ranger will provide the basis of our team . only 2 were here last summer so that is a massive step forwards . Who really cares if we release a load of players who are not good enough and only ever been on the fringes and replace them with others who may improve us? . We don't know who is going yet but unless they are the 7 above plus potentially 3 or 4 others I doubt too many will be up in arms . Plus we don't know who will be coming in to replace them - Williams went and Ranger came in - I know which I'm happier with! . Ferry went and Luongo came in - I know who I'm happier with - I'm pretty certain who Pompy would rather have too! . Lets judge next season squad in august when we see who is in it - not March on a whole load of specualtion[/p][/quote]Well, if those 7 will definitely be playing for us next season, I have no arguments. If they are not, then the season has been wasted.[/p][/quote]All are under contract or have options to be under contract . Lets see what the summer brings! . 2013/14 was always going to be a year of transition and it has not been that bad . Lets take the good parts of the squad and add to it - which is pretty much what Cooper is saying! London Red
  • Score: 0

1:17pm Mon 10 Mar 14

London Red says...

Swindon1984 wrote:
London Red wrote: Being young and learning doesn't just dissappear after a few weeks! . Expereince is gained over years! . So as Cooper rightly said lots of our young players who are learning during their first proper year as a pro will be better next term in the 2nd . They are then likely to be better still the year after as they enter their 3rd season and so on . Yet lots of them will still be young even in that 3rd season - as the likes of Luongo will still be under 24! . How has this season been wasted? . Were we not meant to be relegation fodder? If so how can be comfortable in 8th be a waste? (plus already safe as no one below Stevenage has picked up over a point a game so far - why will they do that now - plus that assumes we get no points between now onwards which is even less likely!) . This year was a season of transition and has given us a great core to build around - Foderingham, N.Thompson, Byrne, L.Thomspn, Kasim, Luongo and hopefully Ranger will provide the basis of our team . only 2 were here last summer so that is a massive step forwards . Who really cares if we release a load of players who are not good enough and only ever been on the fringes and replace them with others who may improve us? . We don't know who is going yet but unless they are the 7 above plus potentially 3 or 4 others I doubt too many will be up in arms . Plus we don't know who will be coming in to replace them - Williams went and Ranger came in - I know which I'm happier with! . Ferry went and Luongo came in - I know who I'm happier with - I'm pretty certain who Pompy would rather have too! . Lets judge next season squad in august when we see who is in it - not March on a whole load of specualtion
All fair points LR, but if you can honestly say you left Saturday feeling anything other than total disappointment and as a fan, you'd been given two fingers I'd be very surprised. The feeling for me with the lack of ambition second half to go on and win was "if we scrape a draw, it'll be good enough for them." Like as supporters we shouldn't expect effort and hard work from the players. Seriously, was livid walking out of the ground. I get that we need time to put a team together, I get that wage bills need to go down, I get that there'll be blips and we won't win every game, but what I can't take is a complete lack of motivation in the players and being walked all over. MK looked like nothing in that first half, and until we sat back and let them play, never looked like scoring. Too many times this season we've allowed teams back into the match, and it's frustrating in the extreme. If we lose a few games fine, no-one expects us to win every week, but Cooper has to motivate these players to come out and fire on all cylinders, that's his job.
1984 - that is not new to STFC fans!
.
We had issues last year when we went from top to holding on to 6th - look at the last game where we let the game go and blew 4th!
.
2 season before that when we got relegated below a team with a 10 point deduction - dd we have a single player put effort in at all that season?
.
As I said this year has not been that bad - consuidering - so I'm just prepared to see what next year brings when we ar esettlerd and the finances etc have been sorted
.
Should we continue like this nxt year - then I'm sure we will hear calls for Cooper's head!
[quote][p][bold]Swindon1984[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]London Red[/bold] wrote: Being young and learning doesn't just dissappear after a few weeks! . Expereince is gained over years! . So as Cooper rightly said lots of our young players who are learning during their first proper year as a pro will be better next term in the 2nd . They are then likely to be better still the year after as they enter their 3rd season and so on . Yet lots of them will still be young even in that 3rd season - as the likes of Luongo will still be under 24! . How has this season been wasted? . Were we not meant to be relegation fodder? If so how can be comfortable in 8th be a waste? (plus already safe as no one below Stevenage has picked up over a point a game so far - why will they do that now - plus that assumes we get no points between now onwards which is even less likely!) . This year was a season of transition and has given us a great core to build around - Foderingham, N.Thompson, Byrne, L.Thomspn, Kasim, Luongo and hopefully Ranger will provide the basis of our team . only 2 were here last summer so that is a massive step forwards . Who really cares if we release a load of players who are not good enough and only ever been on the fringes and replace them with others who may improve us? . We don't know who is going yet but unless they are the 7 above plus potentially 3 or 4 others I doubt too many will be up in arms . Plus we don't know who will be coming in to replace them - Williams went and Ranger came in - I know which I'm happier with! . Ferry went and Luongo came in - I know who I'm happier with - I'm pretty certain who Pompy would rather have too! . Lets judge next season squad in august when we see who is in it - not March on a whole load of specualtion[/p][/quote]All fair points LR, but if you can honestly say you left Saturday feeling anything other than total disappointment and as a fan, you'd been given two fingers I'd be very surprised. The feeling for me with the lack of ambition second half to go on and win was "if we scrape a draw, it'll be good enough for them." Like as supporters we shouldn't expect effort and hard work from the players. Seriously, was livid walking out of the ground. I get that we need time to put a team together, I get that wage bills need to go down, I get that there'll be blips and we won't win every game, but what I can't take is a complete lack of motivation in the players and being walked all over. MK looked like nothing in that first half, and until we sat back and let them play, never looked like scoring. Too many times this season we've allowed teams back into the match, and it's frustrating in the extreme. If we lose a few games fine, no-one expects us to win every week, but Cooper has to motivate these players to come out and fire on all cylinders, that's his job.[/p][/quote]1984 - that is not new to STFC fans! . We had issues last year when we went from top to holding on to 6th - look at the last game where we let the game go and blew 4th! . 2 season before that when we got relegated below a team with a 10 point deduction - dd we have a single player put effort in at all that season? . As I said this year has not been that bad - consuidering - so I'm just prepared to see what next year brings when we ar esettlerd and the finances etc have been sorted . Should we continue like this nxt year - then I'm sure we will hear calls for Cooper's head! London Red
  • Score: 0

1:19pm Mon 10 Mar 14

Pewsham Red says...

Rgbargee wrote:
stokes_stfc wrote:
I hope we do learn our lesson from how performances have gone over the past 10 games or so, and appreciate that we really do miss a bit of experience in the squad and lack the ability to dig deep and see games out ... But from the sounds of it we will be in for more young pages... I don't have a problem with that but think a bit of experience is also essential (especially cause ward will be drifting closer to a coaching role rather than playing).

I would hope that with the likes of Benson, Williams, cox, navarro off the wage bill (plus by the sounds of it Harley, jmac and nguessan, plus I wouldn't be surprised if troy goes) that we would be able to bring in one or 2 decent payers with some league experience (a striker and cb ideally). I would much rather see us with a smaller squad with a good blend of youth / experience, and technical ability / physical strength, rather than a big squad of light weight players
I agree with the above post and wonder how we will ever get out of league one without some "tough old pros "to guide the youth.
If Lee cuts the budget further we are unlikely to attract the caliber of player most of want to see playing at Swindon. It's fair enough saying we have to live within our means, but to grow into a bigger club we need to invest more. Perhaps Lee needs some financial support from another investor or two.
I fear we are going to be mid table(at best) again next year unless we have more financial backing.
I am sorry to say I don't feel very optimistic for our long term future with the current model. Am I selfish to want the best for the STFC?
Fair point, but some of our older pros, Ward, Harley and McEvely, have hardly been inspirational this season and whilst we have bemoaned our reliance on youth, we also have to look at our senior pro's and their lack of consistency this season.
[quote][p][bold]Rgbargee[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]stokes_stfc[/bold] wrote: I hope we do learn our lesson from how performances have gone over the past 10 games or so, and appreciate that we really do miss a bit of experience in the squad and lack the ability to dig deep and see games out ... But from the sounds of it we will be in for more young pages... I don't have a problem with that but think a bit of experience is also essential (especially cause ward will be drifting closer to a coaching role rather than playing). I would hope that with the likes of Benson, Williams, cox, navarro off the wage bill (plus by the sounds of it Harley, jmac and nguessan, plus I wouldn't be surprised if troy goes) that we would be able to bring in one or 2 decent payers with some league experience (a striker and cb ideally). I would much rather see us with a smaller squad with a good blend of youth / experience, and technical ability / physical strength, rather than a big squad of light weight players[/p][/quote]I agree with the above post and wonder how we will ever get out of league one without some "tough old pros "to guide the youth. If Lee cuts the budget further we are unlikely to attract the caliber of player most of want to see playing at Swindon. It's fair enough saying we have to live within our means, but to grow into a bigger club we need to invest more. Perhaps Lee needs some financial support from another investor or two. I fear we are going to be mid table(at best) again next year unless we have more financial backing. I am sorry to say I don't feel very optimistic for our long term future with the current model. Am I selfish to want the best for the STFC?[/p][/quote]Fair point, but some of our older pros, Ward, Harley and McEvely, have hardly been inspirational this season and whilst we have bemoaned our reliance on youth, we also have to look at our senior pro's and their lack of consistency this season. Pewsham Red
  • Score: 3

2:51pm Mon 10 Mar 14

MisterD says...

stokes_stfc wrote:
I hope we do learn our lesson from how performances have gone over the past 10 games or so, and appreciate that we really do miss a bit of experience in the squad and lack the ability to dig deep and see games out ... But from the sounds of it we will be in for more young pages... I don't have a problem with that but think a bit of experience is also essential (especially cause ward will be drifting closer to a coaching role rather than playing).

I would hope that with the likes of Benson, Williams, cox, navarro off the wage bill (plus by the sounds of it Harley, jmac and nguessan, plus I wouldn't be surprised if troy goes) that we would be able to bring in one or 2 decent payers with some league experience (a striker and cb ideally). I would much rather see us with a smaller squad with a good blend of youth / experience, and technical ability / physical strength, rather than a big squad of light weight players
I agree with these comments.

What does Power want to do - field the Under 12s?
[quote][p][bold]stokes_stfc[/bold] wrote: I hope we do learn our lesson from how performances have gone over the past 10 games or so, and appreciate that we really do miss a bit of experience in the squad and lack the ability to dig deep and see games out ... But from the sounds of it we will be in for more young pages... I don't have a problem with that but think a bit of experience is also essential (especially cause ward will be drifting closer to a coaching role rather than playing). I would hope that with the likes of Benson, Williams, cox, navarro off the wage bill (plus by the sounds of it Harley, jmac and nguessan, plus I wouldn't be surprised if troy goes) that we would be able to bring in one or 2 decent payers with some league experience (a striker and cb ideally). I would much rather see us with a smaller squad with a good blend of youth / experience, and technical ability / physical strength, rather than a big squad of light weight players[/p][/quote]I agree with these comments. What does Power want to do - field the Under 12s? MisterD
  • Score: 0

3:00pm Mon 10 Mar 14

smirg kcab says...

Any younger and gary glitter could be our manager
Any younger and gary glitter could be our manager smirg kcab
  • Score: 3

3:21pm Mon 10 Mar 14

Oi Den! says...

London Red wrote:
Swindon1984 wrote:
London Red wrote: Being young and learning doesn't just dissappear after a few weeks! . Expereince is gained over years! . So as Cooper rightly said lots of our young players who are learning during their first proper year as a pro will be better next term in the 2nd . They are then likely to be better still the year after as they enter their 3rd season and so on . Yet lots of them will still be young even in that 3rd season - as the likes of Luongo will still be under 24! . How has this season been wasted? . Were we not meant to be relegation fodder? If so how can be comfortable in 8th be a waste? (plus already safe as no one below Stevenage has picked up over a point a game so far - why will they do that now - plus that assumes we get no points between now onwards which is even less likely!) . This year was a season of transition and has given us a great core to build around - Foderingham, N.Thompson, Byrne, L.Thomspn, Kasim, Luongo and hopefully Ranger will provide the basis of our team . only 2 were here last summer so that is a massive step forwards . Who really cares if we release a load of players who are not good enough and only ever been on the fringes and replace them with others who may improve us? . We don't know who is going yet but unless they are the 7 above plus potentially 3 or 4 others I doubt too many will be up in arms . Plus we don't know who will be coming in to replace them - Williams went and Ranger came in - I know which I'm happier with! . Ferry went and Luongo came in - I know who I'm happier with - I'm pretty certain who Pompy would rather have too! . Lets judge next season squad in august when we see who is in it - not March on a whole load of specualtion
All fair points LR, but if you can honestly say you left Saturday feeling anything other than total disappointment and as a fan, you'd been given two fingers I'd be very surprised. The feeling for me with the lack of ambition second half to go on and win was "if we scrape a draw, it'll be good enough for them." Like as supporters we shouldn't expect effort and hard work from the players. Seriously, was livid walking out of the ground. I get that we need time to put a team together, I get that wage bills need to go down, I get that there'll be blips and we won't win every game, but what I can't take is a complete lack of motivation in the players and being walked all over. MK looked like nothing in that first half, and until we sat back and let them play, never looked like scoring. Too many times this season we've allowed teams back into the match, and it's frustrating in the extreme. If we lose a few games fine, no-one expects us to win every week, but Cooper has to motivate these players to come out and fire on all cylinders, that's his job.
1984 - that is not new to STFC fans!
.
We had issues last year when we went from top to holding on to 6th - look at the last game where we let the game go and blew 4th!
.
2 season before that when we got relegated below a team with a 10 point deduction - dd we have a single player put effort in at all that season?
.
As I said this year has not been that bad - consuidering - so I'm just prepared to see what next year brings when we ar esettlerd and the finances etc have been sorted
.
Should we continue like this nxt year - then I'm sure we will hear calls for Cooper's head!
Yep. Charlie Austin worked his arse off until he'd finally had enough of doing it all on his own. A beacon of light in a fog of dross.
[quote][p][bold]London Red[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Swindon1984[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]London Red[/bold] wrote: Being young and learning doesn't just dissappear after a few weeks! . Expereince is gained over years! . So as Cooper rightly said lots of our young players who are learning during their first proper year as a pro will be better next term in the 2nd . They are then likely to be better still the year after as they enter their 3rd season and so on . Yet lots of them will still be young even in that 3rd season - as the likes of Luongo will still be under 24! . How has this season been wasted? . Were we not meant to be relegation fodder? If so how can be comfortable in 8th be a waste? (plus already safe as no one below Stevenage has picked up over a point a game so far - why will they do that now - plus that assumes we get no points between now onwards which is even less likely!) . This year was a season of transition and has given us a great core to build around - Foderingham, N.Thompson, Byrne, L.Thomspn, Kasim, Luongo and hopefully Ranger will provide the basis of our team . only 2 were here last summer so that is a massive step forwards . Who really cares if we release a load of players who are not good enough and only ever been on the fringes and replace them with others who may improve us? . We don't know who is going yet but unless they are the 7 above plus potentially 3 or 4 others I doubt too many will be up in arms . Plus we don't know who will be coming in to replace them - Williams went and Ranger came in - I know which I'm happier with! . Ferry went and Luongo came in - I know who I'm happier with - I'm pretty certain who Pompy would rather have too! . Lets judge next season squad in august when we see who is in it - not March on a whole load of specualtion[/p][/quote]All fair points LR, but if you can honestly say you left Saturday feeling anything other than total disappointment and as a fan, you'd been given two fingers I'd be very surprised. The feeling for me with the lack of ambition second half to go on and win was "if we scrape a draw, it'll be good enough for them." Like as supporters we shouldn't expect effort and hard work from the players. Seriously, was livid walking out of the ground. I get that we need time to put a team together, I get that wage bills need to go down, I get that there'll be blips and we won't win every game, but what I can't take is a complete lack of motivation in the players and being walked all over. MK looked like nothing in that first half, and until we sat back and let them play, never looked like scoring. Too many times this season we've allowed teams back into the match, and it's frustrating in the extreme. If we lose a few games fine, no-one expects us to win every week, but Cooper has to motivate these players to come out and fire on all cylinders, that's his job.[/p][/quote]1984 - that is not new to STFC fans! . We had issues last year when we went from top to holding on to 6th - look at the last game where we let the game go and blew 4th! . 2 season before that when we got relegated below a team with a 10 point deduction - dd we have a single player put effort in at all that season? . As I said this year has not been that bad - consuidering - so I'm just prepared to see what next year brings when we ar esettlerd and the finances etc have been sorted . Should we continue like this nxt year - then I'm sure we will hear calls for Cooper's head![/p][/quote]Yep. Charlie Austin worked his arse off until he'd finally had enough of doing it all on his own. A beacon of light in a fog of dross. Oi Den!
  • Score: 2

5:15pm Mon 10 Mar 14

Swindon1984 says...

London Red wrote:
Swindon1984 wrote:
London Red wrote: Being young and learning doesn't just dissappear after a few weeks! . Expereince is gained over years! . So as Cooper rightly said lots of our young players who are learning during their first proper year as a pro will be better next term in the 2nd . They are then likely to be better still the year after as they enter their 3rd season and so on . Yet lots of them will still be young even in that 3rd season - as the likes of Luongo will still be under 24! . How has this season been wasted? . Were we not meant to be relegation fodder? If so how can be comfortable in 8th be a waste? (plus already safe as no one below Stevenage has picked up over a point a game so far - why will they do that now - plus that assumes we get no points between now onwards which is even less likely!) . This year was a season of transition and has given us a great core to build around - Foderingham, N.Thompson, Byrne, L.Thomspn, Kasim, Luongo and hopefully Ranger will provide the basis of our team . only 2 were here last summer so that is a massive step forwards . Who really cares if we release a load of players who are not good enough and only ever been on the fringes and replace them with others who may improve us? . We don't know who is going yet but unless they are the 7 above plus potentially 3 or 4 others I doubt too many will be up in arms . Plus we don't know who will be coming in to replace them - Williams went and Ranger came in - I know which I'm happier with! . Ferry went and Luongo came in - I know who I'm happier with - I'm pretty certain who Pompy would rather have too! . Lets judge next season squad in august when we see who is in it - not March on a whole load of specualtion
All fair points LR, but if you can honestly say you left Saturday feeling anything other than total disappointment and as a fan, you'd been given two fingers I'd be very surprised. The feeling for me with the lack of ambition second half to go on and win was "if we scrape a draw, it'll be good enough for them." Like as supporters we shouldn't expect effort and hard work from the players. Seriously, was livid walking out of the ground. I get that we need time to put a team together, I get that wage bills need to go down, I get that there'll be blips and we won't win every game, but what I can't take is a complete lack of motivation in the players and being walked all over. MK looked like nothing in that first half, and until we sat back and let them play, never looked like scoring. Too many times this season we've allowed teams back into the match, and it's frustrating in the extreme. If we lose a few games fine, no-one expects us to win every week, but Cooper has to motivate these players to come out and fire on all cylinders, that's his job.
1984 - that is not new to STFC fans! . We had issues last year when we went from top to holding on to 6th - look at the last game where we let the game go and blew 4th! . 2 season before that when we got relegated below a team with a 10 point deduction - dd we have a single player put effort in at all that season? . As I said this year has not been that bad - consuidering - so I'm just prepared to see what next year brings when we ar esettlerd and the finances etc have been sorted . Should we continue like this nxt year - then I'm sure we will hear calls for Cooper's head!
It's not new at all, that isn't to say it's every something you want to see.
[quote][p][bold]London Red[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Swindon1984[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]London Red[/bold] wrote: Being young and learning doesn't just dissappear after a few weeks! . Expereince is gained over years! . So as Cooper rightly said lots of our young players who are learning during their first proper year as a pro will be better next term in the 2nd . They are then likely to be better still the year after as they enter their 3rd season and so on . Yet lots of them will still be young even in that 3rd season - as the likes of Luongo will still be under 24! . How has this season been wasted? . Were we not meant to be relegation fodder? If so how can be comfortable in 8th be a waste? (plus already safe as no one below Stevenage has picked up over a point a game so far - why will they do that now - plus that assumes we get no points between now onwards which is even less likely!) . This year was a season of transition and has given us a great core to build around - Foderingham, N.Thompson, Byrne, L.Thomspn, Kasim, Luongo and hopefully Ranger will provide the basis of our team . only 2 were here last summer so that is a massive step forwards . Who really cares if we release a load of players who are not good enough and only ever been on the fringes and replace them with others who may improve us? . We don't know who is going yet but unless they are the 7 above plus potentially 3 or 4 others I doubt too many will be up in arms . Plus we don't know who will be coming in to replace them - Williams went and Ranger came in - I know which I'm happier with! . Ferry went and Luongo came in - I know who I'm happier with - I'm pretty certain who Pompy would rather have too! . Lets judge next season squad in august when we see who is in it - not March on a whole load of specualtion[/p][/quote]All fair points LR, but if you can honestly say you left Saturday feeling anything other than total disappointment and as a fan, you'd been given two fingers I'd be very surprised. The feeling for me with the lack of ambition second half to go on and win was "if we scrape a draw, it'll be good enough for them." Like as supporters we shouldn't expect effort and hard work from the players. Seriously, was livid walking out of the ground. I get that we need time to put a team together, I get that wage bills need to go down, I get that there'll be blips and we won't win every game, but what I can't take is a complete lack of motivation in the players and being walked all over. MK looked like nothing in that first half, and until we sat back and let them play, never looked like scoring. Too many times this season we've allowed teams back into the match, and it's frustrating in the extreme. If we lose a few games fine, no-one expects us to win every week, but Cooper has to motivate these players to come out and fire on all cylinders, that's his job.[/p][/quote]1984 - that is not new to STFC fans! . We had issues last year when we went from top to holding on to 6th - look at the last game where we let the game go and blew 4th! . 2 season before that when we got relegated below a team with a 10 point deduction - dd we have a single player put effort in at all that season? . As I said this year has not been that bad - consuidering - so I'm just prepared to see what next year brings when we ar esettlerd and the finances etc have been sorted . Should we continue like this nxt year - then I'm sure we will hear calls for Cooper's head![/p][/quote]It's not new at all, that isn't to say it's every something you want to see. Swindon1984
  • Score: 0

8:42pm Mon 10 Mar 14

King Red says...

Rgbargee wrote:
stokes_stfc wrote:
I hope we do learn our lesson from how performances have gone over the past 10 games or so, and appreciate that we really do miss a bit of experience in the squad and lack the ability to dig deep and see games out ... But from the sounds of it we will be in for more young pages... I don't have a problem with that but think a bit of experience is also essential (especially cause ward will be drifting closer to a coaching role rather than playing).

I would hope that with the likes of Benson, Williams, cox, navarro off the wage bill (plus by the sounds of it Harley, jmac and nguessan, plus I wouldn't be surprised if troy goes) that we would be able to bring in one or 2 decent payers with some league experience (a striker and cb ideally). I would much rather see us with a smaller squad with a good blend of youth / experience, and technical ability / physical strength, rather than a big squad of light weight players
I agree with the above post and wonder how we will ever get out of league one without some "tough old pros "to guide the youth.
If Lee cuts the budget further we are unlikely to attract the caliber of player most of want to see playing at Swindon. It's fair enough saying we have to live within our means, but to grow into a bigger club we need to invest more. Perhaps Lee needs some financial support from another investor or two.
I fear we are going to be mid table(at best) again next year unless we have more financial backing.
I am sorry to say I don't feel very optimistic for our long term future with the current model. Am I selfish to want the best for the STFC?
My son plays for the under 7's at Corsham and scores plenty of goals.
Sign up a couple of them and that will bring down the average.
Other benefits are that they give their all and always turn up for training.
Their wages would bring us in line and they would still be learning!
But they won't be able to play too many night games....
[quote][p][bold]Rgbargee[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]stokes_stfc[/bold] wrote: I hope we do learn our lesson from how performances have gone over the past 10 games or so, and appreciate that we really do miss a bit of experience in the squad and lack the ability to dig deep and see games out ... But from the sounds of it we will be in for more young pages... I don't have a problem with that but think a bit of experience is also essential (especially cause ward will be drifting closer to a coaching role rather than playing). I would hope that with the likes of Benson, Williams, cox, navarro off the wage bill (plus by the sounds of it Harley, jmac and nguessan, plus I wouldn't be surprised if troy goes) that we would be able to bring in one or 2 decent payers with some league experience (a striker and cb ideally). I would much rather see us with a smaller squad with a good blend of youth / experience, and technical ability / physical strength, rather than a big squad of light weight players[/p][/quote]I agree with the above post and wonder how we will ever get out of league one without some "tough old pros "to guide the youth. If Lee cuts the budget further we are unlikely to attract the caliber of player most of want to see playing at Swindon. It's fair enough saying we have to live within our means, but to grow into a bigger club we need to invest more. Perhaps Lee needs some financial support from another investor or two. I fear we are going to be mid table(at best) again next year unless we have more financial backing. I am sorry to say I don't feel very optimistic for our long term future with the current model. Am I selfish to want the best for the STFC?[/p][/quote]My son plays for the under 7's at Corsham and scores plenty of goals. Sign up a couple of them and that will bring down the average. Other benefits are that they give their all and always turn up for training. Their wages would bring us in line and they would still be learning! But they won't be able to play too many night games.... King Red
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9:08pm Mon 10 Mar 14

alchafreds says...

Redgollum wrote:
London Red wrote:
Being young and learning doesn't just dissappear after a few weeks!
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Expereince is gained over years!
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So as Cooper rightly said lots of our young players who are learning during their first proper year as a pro will be better next term in the 2nd
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They are then likely to be better still the year after as they enter their 3rd season and so on
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Yet lots of them will still be young even in that 3rd season - as the likes of Luongo will still be under 24!
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How has this season been wasted?
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Were we not meant to be relegation fodder? If so how can be comfortable in 8th be a waste? (plus already safe as no one below Stevenage has picked up over a point a game so far - why will they do that now - plus that assumes we get no points between now onwards which is even less likely!)
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This year was a season of transition and has given us a great core to build around - Foderingham, N.Thompson, Byrne, L.Thomspn, Kasim, Luongo and hopefully Ranger will provide the basis of our team
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only 2 were here last summer so that is a massive step forwards
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Who really cares if we release a load of players who are not good enough and only ever been on the fringes and replace them with others who may improve us?
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We don't know who is going yet but unless they are the 7 above plus potentially 3 or 4 others I doubt too many will be up in arms
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Plus we don't know who will be coming in to replace them - Williams went and Ranger came in - I know which I'm happier with!
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Ferry went and Luongo came in - I know who I'm happier with - I'm pretty certain who Pompy would rather have too!
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Lets judge next season squad in august when we see who is in it - not March on a whole load of specualtion
Well, if those 7 will definitely be playing for us next season, I have no arguments. If they are not, then the season has been wasted.
yep ferry every time luongo crock of ****
[quote][p][bold]Redgollum[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]London Red[/bold] wrote: Being young and learning doesn't just dissappear after a few weeks! . Expereince is gained over years! . So as Cooper rightly said lots of our young players who are learning during their first proper year as a pro will be better next term in the 2nd . They are then likely to be better still the year after as they enter their 3rd season and so on . Yet lots of them will still be young even in that 3rd season - as the likes of Luongo will still be under 24! . How has this season been wasted? . Were we not meant to be relegation fodder? If so how can be comfortable in 8th be a waste? (plus already safe as no one below Stevenage has picked up over a point a game so far - why will they do that now - plus that assumes we get no points between now onwards which is even less likely!) . This year was a season of transition and has given us a great core to build around - Foderingham, N.Thompson, Byrne, L.Thomspn, Kasim, Luongo and hopefully Ranger will provide the basis of our team . only 2 were here last summer so that is a massive step forwards . Who really cares if we release a load of players who are not good enough and only ever been on the fringes and replace them with others who may improve us? . We don't know who is going yet but unless they are the 7 above plus potentially 3 or 4 others I doubt too many will be up in arms . Plus we don't know who will be coming in to replace them - Williams went and Ranger came in - I know which I'm happier with! . Ferry went and Luongo came in - I know who I'm happier with - I'm pretty certain who Pompy would rather have too! . Lets judge next season squad in august when we see who is in it - not March on a whole load of specualtion[/p][/quote]Well, if those 7 will definitely be playing for us next season, I have no arguments. If they are not, then the season has been wasted.[/p][/quote]yep ferry every time luongo crock of **** alchafreds
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9:17pm Mon 10 Mar 14

ScottLeitch says...

Bassett Hound wrote:
ScottLeitch wrote:
We talk about nurturing youngsters but we cant even be bothered to give one of our own who has been crying out for a chance... Miles Storey. He will be a good player for somebody just not us.
Most players force their way into the first team by excelling in training,clearly Miles has not done that.

His spell at Salisbury was a disaster and at Shrewsbury he is struggling.

At some stage I think he will come through and wish him well.
He's never let us down when hes been in our side and seems to have a knack for scoring...
[quote][p][bold]Bassett Hound[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ScottLeitch[/bold] wrote: We talk about nurturing youngsters but we cant even be bothered to give one of our own who has been crying out for a chance... Miles Storey. He will be a good player for somebody just not us.[/p][/quote]Most players force their way into the first team by excelling in training,clearly Miles has not done that. His spell at Salisbury was a disaster and at Shrewsbury he is struggling. At some stage I think he will come through and wish him well.[/p][/quote]He's never let us down when hes been in our side and seems to have a knack for scoring... ScottLeitch
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