SWINDON TOWN: McEveley out of Crewe trip

Jay McEveley has a knee injury and won't travel with Swindon Town to Crewe

Jay McEveley has a knee injury and won't travel with Swindon Town to Crewe

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JAY McEveley has been ruled out of Swindon Town’s trip to Crewe Alexandra this weekend due to a recurring knee injury.

The full-back only returned from a four-match suspension for the 1-1 draw with Crawley Town on Tuesday night but he has aggravated an existing problem and will not be available to manager Mark Cooper this weekend.

McEveley has struggled with knee issues for several months since undergoing surgery in December 2012 and the left-back has only managed to make four appearances since the turn of the year due to a combination of his ban and injury.

Troy Archibald-Henville will be assessed later today to determine whether or not he is fit to feature at Crewe after being rested in midweek.

“It was always going to be a case of managing Jay, Troy and Tijane.

“They’re not able to train every day and they’re not able to play every game,” said Cooper.

“Yes, it’s a worry, but we knew that at the start of the season.”

Ryan Mason misses out again with an ankle problem, Nile Ranger has been ruled out for the season with a torn hamstring, and Alex Pritchard has still not recovered from a medial ligament strain.

Massimo Luongo returns to the matchday squad at Gresty Road after being rested for the visit of Crawley but Grant Hall remains at least two weeks away from a return to fitness with his calf injury.

“Pritchard won’t feature at the weekend, Mason won’t feature, obviously Nile Ranger won’t feature, Jay McEveley won’t feature. We’ll see how Troy trains,” said Cooper.

“The boys who played (on Tuesday) have really not done a lot.

“They had a day off yesterday (Wednesday) and today has been really light. At the moment the training is just about keeping them fresh and loose.

“It’s not about the legwork, it’s more tactical and trying to make sure we are better than we were the other night.”

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9:52am Fri 28 Feb 14

BigBarry says...

Could well be 'sick notes' last season as a pro, as I don't think he is good enough for any football league club to consider taking a risk on him next season.
Could well be 'sick notes' last season as a pro, as I don't think he is good enough for any football league club to consider taking a risk on him next season. BigBarry
  • Score: -10

9:58am Fri 28 Feb 14

Stilloyal says...

J will be a big miss and we are really struggling to get eleven decent players on the pitch at present.

But equally worrying is Coopers statement that Town fans will have to accept the slow style of play currently employed by him . I have news for Cooper , yes the die hards like myself will continue to watch but the not so hardy will walk away and if that happens he'll be sacked .

I've been derided on here recently for suggesting we will achieve nothing this season, stuff like " Lets all laugh at Loyal when we win the Johnstones and promotion" Well I'm certainly not laughing nor do I enjoy saying that I was right. Mid table is the best we can achieve this season and maybe next also, I certainly cannot see promotion with this person running the team.

As for Johnstone this word in America means pr1ck or c0ck maybe that's the real name for our manager Mark Johnstone !

How many - today then ?
J will be a big miss and we are really struggling to get eleven decent players on the pitch at present. But equally worrying is Coopers statement that Town fans will have to accept the slow style of play currently employed by him . I have news for Cooper , yes the die hards like myself will continue to watch but the not so hardy will walk away and if that happens he'll be sacked . I've been derided on here recently for suggesting we will achieve nothing this season, stuff like " Lets all laugh at Loyal when we win the Johnstones and promotion" Well I'm certainly not laughing nor do I enjoy saying that I was right. Mid table is the best we can achieve this season and maybe next also, I certainly cannot see promotion with this person running the team. As for Johnstone this word in America means pr1ck or c0ck maybe that's the real name for our manager Mark Johnstone ! How many - today then ? Stilloyal
  • Score: 2

10:42am Fri 28 Feb 14

CraigClark says...

Being better than the other night shouldn't be too difficult Coops, lets face it... We were utter shat.
Being better than the other night shouldn't be too difficult Coops, lets face it... We were utter shat. CraigClark
  • Score: 8

11:15am Fri 28 Feb 14

old town robin says...

BigBarry wrote:
Could well be 'sick notes' last season as a pro, as I don't think he is good enough for any football league club to consider taking a risk on him next season.
With the recurring knee problem, it's never going to be a situation where Jay will be able to play week in week out and you're right with him being out of contract who will take a risk with a new contract if he continues to spend so much time out injured. If we decide to keep him, maybe a pay when you play contract maybe in the offering. Probably a good time for the lad to think about getting his coaching badges
[quote][p][bold]BigBarry[/bold] wrote: Could well be 'sick notes' last season as a pro, as I don't think he is good enough for any football league club to consider taking a risk on him next season.[/p][/quote]With the recurring knee problem, it's never going to be a situation where Jay will be able to play week in week out and you're right with him being out of contract who will take a risk with a new contract if he continues to spend so much time out injured. If we decide to keep him, maybe a pay when you play contract maybe in the offering. Probably a good time for the lad to think about getting his coaching badges old town robin
  • Score: 4

11:37am Fri 28 Feb 14

old town robin says...

If Troy is fit I would definitely play him tomorrow. Daren Ward was very lethargic Tuesday. If anyone needs a rest it's him. But with so many out I doubt Cooper would take a chance with 3 at the back. expect 4 to be Thompson N, Archibald or Branco, Ward, Byrnes
Midfield Luango, Kasim Thompson L Hartley (who I thought played well on Tuesday, was that because he had more freedom with Luango being absent?)
Up front Smith and N'Guessen

No mention of Wes, but assume Tyrell will continue between the post. Bedwell was recalled so expected him to be on the bench, Seeing him warm up Tuesday, looked like he had beefed up a bit since last time I saw him. Attacking option on the bench will be few, defence and midfield should have adequate cover, with the possible use of wingers, but if he decided to do that he would need to keep Smith on the field and not sub him. Strangely enough i thought Smith improved in second half on Tuesday, so was surprised he didn't leave him on when Murphy was introduced and look to get on to the end of any crosses.
If Troy is fit I would definitely play him tomorrow. Daren Ward was very lethargic Tuesday. If anyone needs a rest it's him. But with so many out I doubt Cooper would take a chance with 3 at the back. expect 4 to be Thompson N, Archibald or Branco, Ward, Byrnes Midfield Luango, Kasim Thompson L Hartley (who I thought played well on Tuesday, was that because he had more freedom with Luango being absent?) Up front Smith and N'Guessen No mention of Wes, but assume Tyrell will continue between the post. Bedwell was recalled so expected him to be on the bench, Seeing him warm up Tuesday, looked like he had beefed up a bit since last time I saw him. Attacking option on the bench will be few, defence and midfield should have adequate cover, with the possible use of wingers, but if he decided to do that he would need to keep Smith on the field and not sub him. Strangely enough i thought Smith improved in second half on Tuesday, so was surprised he didn't leave him on when Murphy was introduced and look to get on to the end of any crosses. old town robin
  • Score: 0

12:10pm Fri 28 Feb 14

lifelong red says...

Cooper says that N'guesson should have squared the ball to murphy instead of shooting - well at least it was a shot at goal -- I should of took a photo of it- took it home and framed it.
Cooper says that N'guesson should have squared the ball to murphy instead of shooting - well at least it was a shot at goal -- I should of took a photo of it- took it home and framed it. lifelong red
  • Score: 4

12:12pm Fri 28 Feb 14

The Jockster says...

OTR, didn't notice Hartley the other night but Harley didn't do too bad I thought?:)
OTR, didn't notice Hartley the other night but Harley didn't do too bad I thought?:) The Jockster
  • Score: -2

12:35pm Fri 28 Feb 14

smirg kcab says...

Still a fantastic chance to get automatic, we don't want a draw to end in top six.
I'm sure smith will bag a treble against a relegation fodder team.
Still a fantastic chance to get automatic, we don't want a draw to end in top six. I'm sure smith will bag a treble against a relegation fodder team. smirg kcab
  • Score: -1

12:42pm Fri 28 Feb 14

London Red says...

This is exactly why we should already be preparing for life with out Jay
.
With his injuries and suspensions we are hardly getting any games out of him which just disrupts the back 4 - the one place you want consistency!
.
Then even when he does play he is hit and miss
.
We should be nailing down either Byrne or A.Smith as our LB and playing them regularly so they get used to it and the rest of the team get use to them
.
Same at CB - if Troy is not going to be offered a new deal now the POs are all but gone we should be going with who we think will be here next season and challenging - be it Branco or Oakley
.
If Troy is to stay then yes keep playing him - if not why bother?
This is exactly why we should already be preparing for life with out Jay . With his injuries and suspensions we are hardly getting any games out of him which just disrupts the back 4 - the one place you want consistency! . Then even when he does play he is hit and miss . We should be nailing down either Byrne or A.Smith as our LB and playing them regularly so they get used to it and the rest of the team get use to them . Same at CB - if Troy is not going to be offered a new deal now the POs are all but gone we should be going with who we think will be here next season and challenging - be it Branco or Oakley . If Troy is to stay then yes keep playing him - if not why bother? London Red
  • Score: 9

1:09pm Fri 28 Feb 14

socraties says...

London Red wrote:
This is exactly why we should already be preparing for life with out Jay . With his injuries and suspensions we are hardly getting any games out of him which just disrupts the back 4 - the one place you want consistency! . Then even when he does play he is hit and miss . We should be nailing down either Byrne or A.Smith as our LB and playing them regularly so they get used to it and the rest of the team get use to them . Same at CB - if Troy is not going to be offered a new deal now the POs are all but gone we should be going with who we think will be here next season and challenging - be it Branco or Oakley . If Troy is to stay then yes keep playing him - if not why bother?
Spot on London Red - I really do not rate McEverley. He is very inconsistant, can't cross a ball and is a bit of a hot head.

Time for him to step down

COYR
[quote][p][bold]London Red[/bold] wrote: This is exactly why we should already be preparing for life with out Jay . With his injuries and suspensions we are hardly getting any games out of him which just disrupts the back 4 - the one place you want consistency! . Then even when he does play he is hit and miss . We should be nailing down either Byrne or A.Smith as our LB and playing them regularly so they get used to it and the rest of the team get use to them . Same at CB - if Troy is not going to be offered a new deal now the POs are all but gone we should be going with who we think will be here next season and challenging - be it Branco or Oakley . If Troy is to stay then yes keep playing him - if not why bother?[/p][/quote]Spot on London Red - I really do not rate McEverley. He is very inconsistant, can't cross a ball and is a bit of a hot head. Time for him to step down COYR socraties
  • Score: 0

2:23pm Fri 28 Feb 14

buckobassettboy says...

Drastic changes for the game on Saturday due to the injuries-in comes Peter Downsborough after a very long lay off.Much relief that Rod Thomas returns along with Big Frank Burrows-filling in the gap after the recent toothless performances-with hopefully a spirited appearance from Stan Harland and John Trollope- who is still injury free.In the box-literally-in front of the back 4 is John Smith.joined by Dennis Brown,oiled up and ready to go.The sprightly Don Heath on the right and Sir Don on the left.DannyN'Guessan makes a surprise start -with a record 2 consecutive appearances-with Mickey Hazard(Taxi!) who got a job West last night.It is a n untried team and formation but with the season almost up Doris the tea lady felt the team selection may spur some memories of desire and commitment.She said ''There are many,many more ex players out there who despite their age are up for the cause and assure me they are not in it for the money-just the shirt and the adulation of the fans-It brings tears to my eyes''
Drastic changes for the game on Saturday due to the injuries-in comes Peter Downsborough after a very long lay off.Much relief that Rod Thomas returns along with Big Frank Burrows-filling in the gap after the recent toothless performances-with hopefully a spirited appearance from Stan Harland and John Trollope- who is still injury free.In the box-literally-in front of the back 4 is John Smith.joined by Dennis Brown,oiled up and ready to go.The sprightly Don Heath on the right and Sir Don on the left.DannyN'Guessan makes a surprise start -with a record 2 consecutive appearances-with Mickey Hazard(Taxi!) who got a job West last night.It is a n untried team and formation but with the season almost up Doris the tea lady felt the team selection may spur some memories of desire and commitment.She said ''There are many,many more ex players out there who despite their age are up for the cause and assure me they are not in it for the money-just the shirt and the adulation of the fans-It brings tears to my eyes'' buckobassettboy
  • Score: 15

2:59pm Fri 28 Feb 14

lifelong red says...

Many fans are concerned about the " tippy tappy " approach displayed at present thus lack of goal mouth action , and rightly so to- on Tuesday night, first half in particular , was like watching a exhibition match for charity. Going back to the hoddle/ ossie eras, we were a passing team then- but it was done with purpose and an end product- the team then was also packed with players of leadership and experience - haven't got much of that now- maybe food for thought for Lee Power in his quest to build for next season.
Many fans are concerned about the " tippy tappy " approach displayed at present thus lack of goal mouth action , and rightly so to- on Tuesday night, first half in particular , was like watching a exhibition match for charity. Going back to the hoddle/ ossie eras, we were a passing team then- but it was done with purpose and an end product- the team then was also packed with players of leadership and experience - haven't got much of that now- maybe food for thought for Lee Power in his quest to build for next season. lifelong red
  • Score: 6

4:27pm Fri 28 Feb 14

the don69 says...

buckobassettboy wrote:
Drastic changes for the game on Saturday due to the injuries-in comes Peter Downsborough after a very long lay off.Much relief that Rod Thomas returns along with Big Frank Burrows-filling in the gap after the recent toothless performances-with hopefully a spirited appearance from Stan Harland and John Trollope- who is still injury free.In the box-literally-in front of the back 4 is John Smith.joined by Dennis Brown,oiled up and ready to go.The sprightly Don Heath on the right and Sir Don on the left.DannyN'Guessan makes a surprise start -with a record 2 consecutive appearances-with Mickey Hazard(Taxi!) who got a job West last night.It is a n untried team and formation but with the season almost up Doris the tea lady felt the team selection may spur some memories of desire and commitment.She said ''There are many,many more ex players out there who despite their age are up for the cause and assure me they are not in it for the money-just the shirt and the adulation of the fans-It brings tears to my eyes''
LOL.I wish Bassetboy! I'd be off to Crewe tomorrow in a flash if that was our side,instead it's shopping with the misses for me tomorrow Yawn!!!!!!!!!!!
[quote][p][bold]buckobassettboy[/bold] wrote: Drastic changes for the game on Saturday due to the injuries-in comes Peter Downsborough after a very long lay off.Much relief that Rod Thomas returns along with Big Frank Burrows-filling in the gap after the recent toothless performances-with hopefully a spirited appearance from Stan Harland and John Trollope- who is still injury free.In the box-literally-in front of the back 4 is John Smith.joined by Dennis Brown,oiled up and ready to go.The sprightly Don Heath on the right and Sir Don on the left.DannyN'Guessan makes a surprise start -with a record 2 consecutive appearances-with Mickey Hazard(Taxi!) who got a job West last night.It is a n untried team and formation but with the season almost up Doris the tea lady felt the team selection may spur some memories of desire and commitment.She said ''There are many,many more ex players out there who despite their age are up for the cause and assure me they are not in it for the money-just the shirt and the adulation of the fans-It brings tears to my eyes''[/p][/quote]LOL.I wish Bassetboy! I'd be off to Crewe tomorrow in a flash if that was our side,instead it's shopping with the misses for me tomorrow Yawn!!!!!!!!!!! the don69
  • Score: 3

4:43pm Fri 28 Feb 14

Paul12001 says...

I personally don't really understand all this Cooper battering. With everything that's happened at the football club in the past 18 months, Paolo, Jeremy Wray, Jed McCory, Kevin McDonald, the likes of Alan McCormack, James Collins, Adam Rooney going along with various budget cuts what were fans expecting this season??

I was hoping for some stability and mid table not a relegation battle though I did half expect one. What we have currently got is 8th place, just outside play offs and at times some good football with a young squad. The cup defeats were disappointing but we were never going to win the FA cup or capital cup.

Mark Cooper is a fairly young manager and inexperienced at this level and it's a fairly young squad which personally I would rather see than loads of ageing pros looking for final pay days. With that I accept that there will be inconsistency but at least the young squad are working hard for the club with no big time Charlie's there. It will take time to get a settled style that is effective along with more consistent displays. I know it's not an excuse and very team suffers with injuries but the have been some key ones this year also.

Mark Cooper seems to be in it for the long run, Lee Power also and he is obviously trying to make the club better run financially to secure the long term future of the club as let's not forget we nearly went out of business! As fans we should be patient and "support" the club, we are all in it together surely?

There is no quick fix, we can't afford huge salaries of proven players from a higher level so trying to develop young players has to be the way to go but it will be a bumpy ride at times.

Come on let's all get together, support all of the players and management team, have a decent end to the season with a view to building for next season and if we get in the play offs that would be a bonus but not expected.

COYR!
I personally don't really understand all this Cooper battering. With everything that's happened at the football club in the past 18 months, Paolo, Jeremy Wray, Jed McCory, Kevin McDonald, the likes of Alan McCormack, James Collins, Adam Rooney going along with various budget cuts what were fans expecting this season?? I was hoping for some stability and mid table not a relegation battle though I did half expect one. What we have currently got is 8th place, just outside play offs and at times some good football with a young squad. The cup defeats were disappointing but we were never going to win the FA cup or capital cup. Mark Cooper is a fairly young manager and inexperienced at this level and it's a fairly young squad which personally I would rather see than loads of ageing pros looking for final pay days. With that I accept that there will be inconsistency but at least the young squad are working hard for the club with no big time Charlie's there. It will take time to get a settled style that is effective along with more consistent displays. I know it's not an excuse and very team suffers with injuries but the have been some key ones this year also. Mark Cooper seems to be in it for the long run, Lee Power also and he is obviously trying to make the club better run financially to secure the long term future of the club as let's not forget we nearly went out of business! As fans we should be patient and "support" the club, we are all in it together surely? There is no quick fix, we can't afford huge salaries of proven players from a higher level so trying to develop young players has to be the way to go but it will be a bumpy ride at times. Come on let's all get together, support all of the players and management team, have a decent end to the season with a view to building for next season and if we get in the play offs that would be a bonus but not expected. COYR! Paul12001
  • Score: 14

5:00pm Fri 28 Feb 14

the don69 says...

Spot on Paul! Most were predicting relegation at the start,if Coops can finish the season in mid-table he's done a good job,it's next season when the pressure will mount on Coops and even more so on Power. that's why it's vital they start building a decent squad for next season,it looks like we'll lose Ranger,Pritchard and Mason for next season so much work to be done by Power&Coops bringing in some decent players.
Spot on Paul! Most were predicting relegation at the start,if Coops can finish the season in mid-table he's done a good job,it's next season when the pressure will mount on Coops and even more so on Power. that's why it's vital they start building a decent squad for next season,it looks like we'll lose Ranger,Pritchard and Mason for next season so much work to be done by Power&Coops bringing in some decent players. the don69
  • Score: 4

5:38pm Fri 28 Feb 14

smirg kcab says...

London Red wrote:
This is exactly why we should already be preparing for life with out Jay
.
With his injuries and suspensions we are hardly getting any games out of him which just disrupts the back 4 - the one place you want consistency!
.
Then even when he does play he is hit and miss
.
We should be nailing down either Byrne or A.Smith as our LB and playing them regularly so they get used to it and the rest of the team get use to them
.
Same at CB - if Troy is not going to be offered a new deal now the POs are all but gone we should be going with who we think will be here next season and challenging - be it Branco or Oakley
.
If Troy is to stay then yes keep playing him - if not why bother?
Should we prepare for next season with Reis who he admitted he wouldn't play many games when we signed him?, and I also think will be a great addition as you seem to think?.
As said after the posh fiasco, hope he never puts on a town shirt again, waste of space. Don't look interested looks poor and a sick note, if you want players in your side like him, think you are for a shock.
Turned down bigger clubs to join us?. Just goes to show how we've been led down the garden path this season.
Days off days off days off that's all I hear about under cooper.
He must have the easiest job ever in all divisions.
It's time for fans to say we've had enough. A big defeat in a couple of week will see the door slam shut.
Home banker.
[quote][p][bold]London Red[/bold] wrote: This is exactly why we should already be preparing for life with out Jay . With his injuries and suspensions we are hardly getting any games out of him which just disrupts the back 4 - the one place you want consistency! . Then even when he does play he is hit and miss . We should be nailing down either Byrne or A.Smith as our LB and playing them regularly so they get used to it and the rest of the team get use to them . Same at CB - if Troy is not going to be offered a new deal now the POs are all but gone we should be going with who we think will be here next season and challenging - be it Branco or Oakley . If Troy is to stay then yes keep playing him - if not why bother?[/p][/quote]Should we prepare for next season with Reis who he admitted he wouldn't play many games when we signed him?, and I also think will be a great addition as you seem to think?. As said after the posh fiasco, hope he never puts on a town shirt again, waste of space. Don't look interested looks poor and a sick note, if you want players in your side like him, think you are for a shock. Turned down bigger clubs to join us?. Just goes to show how we've been led down the garden path this season. Days off days off days off that's all I hear about under cooper. He must have the easiest job ever in all divisions. It's time for fans to say we've had enough. A big defeat in a couple of week will see the door slam shut. Home banker. smirg kcab
  • Score: -3

5:39pm Fri 28 Feb 14

Billy hunt 65 says...

Let's have more Gladwins and Barkers we will be alright then...
Let's have more Gladwins and Barkers we will be alright then... Billy hunt 65
  • Score: 0

6:25pm Fri 28 Feb 14

Wilesy says...

Paul12001 wrote:
I personally don't really understand all this Cooper battering. With everything that's happened at the football club in the past 18 months, Paolo, Jeremy Wray, Jed McCory, Kevin McDonald, the likes of Alan McCormack, James Collins, Adam Rooney going along with various budget cuts what were fans expecting this season??

I was hoping for some stability and mid table not a relegation battle though I did half expect one. What we have currently got is 8th place, just outside play offs and at times some good football with a young squad. The cup defeats were disappointing but we were never going to win the FA cup or capital cup.

Mark Cooper is a fairly young manager and inexperienced at this level and it's a fairly young squad which personally I would rather see than loads of ageing pros looking for final pay days. With that I accept that there will be inconsistency but at least the young squad are working hard for the club with no big time Charlie's there. It will take time to get a settled style that is effective along with more consistent displays. I know it's not an excuse and very team suffers with injuries but the have been some key ones this year also.

Mark Cooper seems to be in it for the long run, Lee Power also and he is obviously trying to make the club better run financially to secure the long term future of the club as let's not forget we nearly went out of business! As fans we should be patient and "support" the club, we are all in it together surely?

There is no quick fix, we can't afford huge salaries of proven players from a higher level so trying to develop young players has to be the way to go but it will be a bumpy ride at times.

Come on let's all get together, support all of the players and management team, have a decent end to the season with a view to building for next season and if we get in the play offs that would be a bonus but not expected.

COYR!
Agree with your post which is very well written but then you go along and watch a game and get bored to death. It's difficult to rave about Coopers seasons achievements when more often than not as someone puts it above you're watching a game played at the pace of an exhibition match.
[quote][p][bold]Paul12001[/bold] wrote: I personally don't really understand all this Cooper battering. With everything that's happened at the football club in the past 18 months, Paolo, Jeremy Wray, Jed McCory, Kevin McDonald, the likes of Alan McCormack, James Collins, Adam Rooney going along with various budget cuts what were fans expecting this season?? I was hoping for some stability and mid table not a relegation battle though I did half expect one. What we have currently got is 8th place, just outside play offs and at times some good football with a young squad. The cup defeats were disappointing but we were never going to win the FA cup or capital cup. Mark Cooper is a fairly young manager and inexperienced at this level and it's a fairly young squad which personally I would rather see than loads of ageing pros looking for final pay days. With that I accept that there will be inconsistency but at least the young squad are working hard for the club with no big time Charlie's there. It will take time to get a settled style that is effective along with more consistent displays. I know it's not an excuse and very team suffers with injuries but the have been some key ones this year also. Mark Cooper seems to be in it for the long run, Lee Power also and he is obviously trying to make the club better run financially to secure the long term future of the club as let's not forget we nearly went out of business! As fans we should be patient and "support" the club, we are all in it together surely? There is no quick fix, we can't afford huge salaries of proven players from a higher level so trying to develop young players has to be the way to go but it will be a bumpy ride at times. Come on let's all get together, support all of the players and management team, have a decent end to the season with a view to building for next season and if we get in the play offs that would be a bonus but not expected. COYR![/p][/quote]Agree with your post which is very well written but then you go along and watch a game and get bored to death. It's difficult to rave about Coopers seasons achievements when more often than not as someone puts it above you're watching a game played at the pace of an exhibition match. Wilesy
  • Score: 0

6:26pm Fri 28 Feb 14

lifelong red says...

Paul12001 wrote:
I personally don't really understand all this Cooper battering. With everything that's happened at the football club in the past 18 months, Paolo, Jeremy Wray, Jed McCory, Kevin McDonald, the likes of Alan McCormack, James Collins, Adam Rooney going along with various budget cuts what were fans expecting this season??

I was hoping for some stability and mid table not a relegation battle though I did half expect one. What we have currently got is 8th place, just outside play offs and at times some good football with a young squad. The cup defeats were disappointing but we were never going to win the FA cup or capital cup.

Mark Cooper is a fairly young manager and inexperienced at this level and it's a fairly young squad which personally I would rather see than loads of ageing pros looking for final pay days. With that I accept that there will be inconsistency but at least the young squad are working hard for the club with no big time Charlie's there. It will take time to get a settled style that is effective along with more consistent displays. I know it's not an excuse and very team suffers with injuries but the have been some key ones this year also.

Mark Cooper seems to be in it for the long run, Lee Power also and he is obviously trying to make the club better run financially to secure the long term future of the club as let's not forget we nearly went out of business! As fans we should be patient and "support" the club, we are all in it together surely?

There is no quick fix, we can't afford huge salaries of proven players from a higher level so trying to develop young players has to be the way to go but it will be a bumpy ride at times.

Come on let's all get together, support all of the players and management team, have a decent end to the season with a view to building for next season and if we get in the play offs that would be a bonus but not expected.

COYR!
I agree with you 100% on most of this , its what I have been saying for a long time now - having said that I also think that asking young players to play this slow build up from the back method and trying to copy Swansea is maybe asking to much of them especially considering the fact, their is hardly any guidance or leadership in the team . I am hoping that Mark Cooper has a rethink about this and changes tact. Other than that I remain fully behind him and Lee Power.
[quote][p][bold]Paul12001[/bold] wrote: I personally don't really understand all this Cooper battering. With everything that's happened at the football club in the past 18 months, Paolo, Jeremy Wray, Jed McCory, Kevin McDonald, the likes of Alan McCormack, James Collins, Adam Rooney going along with various budget cuts what were fans expecting this season?? I was hoping for some stability and mid table not a relegation battle though I did half expect one. What we have currently got is 8th place, just outside play offs and at times some good football with a young squad. The cup defeats were disappointing but we were never going to win the FA cup or capital cup. Mark Cooper is a fairly young manager and inexperienced at this level and it's a fairly young squad which personally I would rather see than loads of ageing pros looking for final pay days. With that I accept that there will be inconsistency but at least the young squad are working hard for the club with no big time Charlie's there. It will take time to get a settled style that is effective along with more consistent displays. I know it's not an excuse and very team suffers with injuries but the have been some key ones this year also. Mark Cooper seems to be in it for the long run, Lee Power also and he is obviously trying to make the club better run financially to secure the long term future of the club as let's not forget we nearly went out of business! As fans we should be patient and "support" the club, we are all in it together surely? There is no quick fix, we can't afford huge salaries of proven players from a higher level so trying to develop young players has to be the way to go but it will be a bumpy ride at times. Come on let's all get together, support all of the players and management team, have a decent end to the season with a view to building for next season and if we get in the play offs that would be a bonus but not expected. COYR![/p][/quote]I agree with you 100% on most of this , its what I have been saying for a long time now - having said that I also think that asking young players to play this slow build up from the back method and trying to copy Swansea is maybe asking to much of them especially considering the fact, their is hardly any guidance or leadership in the team . I am hoping that Mark Cooper has a rethink about this and changes tact. Other than that I remain fully behind him and Lee Power. lifelong red
  • Score: -1

7:56pm Fri 28 Feb 14

Paul12001 says...

I guess every fan has their own opinion on what style of football they want to watch, some will want patient passing some will want route one high tempo football. Again personally I don't really enjoy seeing the ball smashed from one end of the pitch to the other for a scrap between a target man and a hairy arsed brute of a centre half, yet I do hear fans screaming "get it forward"......

There are different ways to win a game, there is no right or wrong way and finding the balance between trying to entertain the fans and win is not easy.

I think it's a work in progress, you don't just build a team overnight or in one season, even if you have pots of money, which we don't. Some signings will be gambles and come off and some will fail and fall by the wayside until gradually you get pretty much the balance of the squad you want.

I enjoy watching the likes of Byrne, Mason, Luongo and especially Pritchard and I also appreciate Ranger when he's on the pitch but with him comes so much baggage. Then I also love seeing the likes of the Thompson brothers, two cracking young local players who have come through the system.

I'm not sure about Barker, jury out on N'Guessen, Murphy and Reckord not offered much and need more time and appearances to gauge Gladwin and to some degree Barthram (shown glimpses but looks a little portly for someone so young).

End of the season decisions will need to be made on the likes of Ward, McEveley, Archibald, Reis as the question remains will 3 of those 4 really be up to the rigours of the season as I don't think you can afford to carry players who have injury issues which keep them out so much and Ward appears to be at the back end of his career, though has been a model professional.

I don't see what changing the manager again so soon will achieve, give Cooper a chance and judge him halfway through next season.
I guess every fan has their own opinion on what style of football they want to watch, some will want patient passing some will want route one high tempo football. Again personally I don't really enjoy seeing the ball smashed from one end of the pitch to the other for a scrap between a target man and a hairy arsed brute of a centre half, yet I do hear fans screaming "get it forward"...... There are different ways to win a game, there is no right or wrong way and finding the balance between trying to entertain the fans and win is not easy. I think it's a work in progress, you don't just build a team overnight or in one season, even if you have pots of money, which we don't. Some signings will be gambles and come off and some will fail and fall by the wayside until gradually you get pretty much the balance of the squad you want. I enjoy watching the likes of Byrne, Mason, Luongo and especially Pritchard and I also appreciate Ranger when he's on the pitch but with him comes so much baggage. Then I also love seeing the likes of the Thompson brothers, two cracking young local players who have come through the system. I'm not sure about Barker, jury out on N'Guessen, Murphy and Reckord not offered much and need more time and appearances to gauge Gladwin and to some degree Barthram (shown glimpses but looks a little portly for someone so young). End of the season decisions will need to be made on the likes of Ward, McEveley, Archibald, Reis as the question remains will 3 of those 4 really be up to the rigours of the season as I don't think you can afford to carry players who have injury issues which keep them out so much and Ward appears to be at the back end of his career, though has been a model professional. I don't see what changing the manager again so soon will achieve, give Cooper a chance and judge him halfway through next season. Paul12001
  • Score: 2

8:55pm Fri 28 Feb 14

TheDukeOfBanbury says...

socraties wrote:
London Red wrote:
This is exactly why we should already be preparing for life with out Jay . With his injuries and suspensions we are hardly getting any games out of him which just disrupts the back 4 - the one place you want consistency! . Then even when he does play he is hit and miss . We should be nailing down either Byrne or A.Smith as our LB and playing them regularly so they get used to it and the rest of the team get use to them . Same at CB - if Troy is not going to be offered a new deal now the POs are all but gone we should be going with who we think will be here next season and challenging - be it Branco or Oakley . If Troy is to stay then yes keep playing him - if not why bother?
Spot on London Red - I really do not rate McEverley. He is very inconsistant, can't cross a ball and is a bit of a hot head.

Time for him to step down

COYR
If you think Branco or Oakley are ready to maintain consistency in Div 1 football then I would be very concerned indeed.
In fact I am concerned that the fringe players would struggle in Div 2.
Sadly I have seen nothing from a lot of the squad this season.
Hope they quickly improve and hope we can strengthen in the close season but it's not going to be easy. We no longer will be high up in the pecking order attracting decent signings.
Hope I have got it all wrong.
[quote][p][bold]socraties[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]London Red[/bold] wrote: This is exactly why we should already be preparing for life with out Jay . With his injuries and suspensions we are hardly getting any games out of him which just disrupts the back 4 - the one place you want consistency! . Then even when he does play he is hit and miss . We should be nailing down either Byrne or A.Smith as our LB and playing them regularly so they get used to it and the rest of the team get use to them . Same at CB - if Troy is not going to be offered a new deal now the POs are all but gone we should be going with who we think will be here next season and challenging - be it Branco or Oakley . If Troy is to stay then yes keep playing him - if not why bother?[/p][/quote]Spot on London Red - I really do not rate McEverley. He is very inconsistant, can't cross a ball and is a bit of a hot head. Time for him to step down COYR[/p][/quote]If you think Branco or Oakley are ready to maintain consistency in Div 1 football then I would be very concerned indeed. In fact I am concerned that the fringe players would struggle in Div 2. Sadly I have seen nothing from a lot of the squad this season. Hope they quickly improve and hope we can strengthen in the close season but it's not going to be easy. We no longer will be high up in the pecking order attracting decent signings. Hope I have got it all wrong. TheDukeOfBanbury
  • Score: 2

8:59pm Fri 28 Feb 14

lifelong red says...

Paul I am not saying go route one -- i am against that in general, - all for the passing game - but it has to be played at a higher tempo than at present as we have often done this season the result being , entertaining football with lots of goals scored , we are in fact amongst the leading goals for at home in this division so far this season. What is puzzling for most fans including myself is why we have to keep reverting back to this slow predictable type of football with hardly an effort on goal - boring to watch and so ineffective .also i am not saying build a team overnight - as you say- all takes time and patience , but what this mainly young team is needs is guidance on the pitch from maybe 2 or 3 more experienced players with leadership quality to help move us forward - must be a few out there that wouldn't break the bank.
Paul I am not saying go route one -- i am against that in general, - all for the passing game - but it has to be played at a higher tempo than at present as we have often done this season the result being , entertaining football with lots of goals scored , we are in fact amongst the leading goals for at home in this division so far this season. What is puzzling for most fans including myself is why we have to keep reverting back to this slow predictable type of football with hardly an effort on goal - boring to watch and so ineffective .also i am not saying build a team overnight - as you say- all takes time and patience , but what this mainly young team is needs is guidance on the pitch from maybe 2 or 3 more experienced players with leadership quality to help move us forward - must be a few out there that wouldn't break the bank. lifelong red
  • Score: 3

9:18pm Fri 28 Feb 14

Oi Den! says...

It's often been said that there's never a dull moment being a Town fan. 2013/14 has changed all that. We've had a shed load of dull moments. I agree with all the comments about the way we play. A passing game is great if it has an end product. Unfortunately our passing game seems to be played mostly without urgency or purpose. But is it really Cooper's fault? I reckon it's more likely a case of "Play the Power/Spurs way or walk the plank". Some people will say Cooper has no balls if this is the case but if he decided to quit over the style of play, wouldn't we just end up In the same position with a different manager? Cooper still has my full support.
It's often been said that there's never a dull moment being a Town fan. 2013/14 has changed all that. We've had a shed load of dull moments. I agree with all the comments about the way we play. A passing game is great if it has an end product. Unfortunately our passing game seems to be played mostly without urgency or purpose. But is it really Cooper's fault? I reckon it's more likely a case of "Play the Power/Spurs way or walk the plank". Some people will say Cooper has no balls if this is the case but if he decided to quit over the style of play, wouldn't we just end up In the same position with a different manager? Cooper still has my full support. Oi Den!
  • Score: 2

9:30pm Fri 28 Feb 14

Stilloyal says...

Oi Den! wrote:
It's often been said that there's never a dull moment being a Town fan. 2013/14 has changed all that. We've had a shed load of dull moments. I agree with all the comments about the way we play. A passing game is great if it has an end product. Unfortunately our passing game seems to be played mostly without urgency or purpose. But is it really Cooper's fault? I reckon it's more likely a case of "Play the Power/Spurs way or walk the plank". Some people will say Cooper has no balls if this is the case but if he decided to quit over the style of play, wouldn't we just end up In the same position with a different manager? Cooper still has my full support.
Well he said he's not going to change it and that we'd have to get used to it.

If that's the case the fans will walk and something will be changed.

Been said before it's easy to lose your custom but bl00dy hard to get them.
[quote][p][bold]Oi Den![/bold] wrote: It's often been said that there's never a dull moment being a Town fan. 2013/14 has changed all that. We've had a shed load of dull moments. I agree with all the comments about the way we play. A passing game is great if it has an end product. Unfortunately our passing game seems to be played mostly without urgency or purpose. But is it really Cooper's fault? I reckon it's more likely a case of "Play the Power/Spurs way or walk the plank". Some people will say Cooper has no balls if this is the case but if he decided to quit over the style of play, wouldn't we just end up In the same position with a different manager? Cooper still has my full support.[/p][/quote]Well he said he's not going to change it and that we'd have to get used to it. If that's the case the fans will walk and something will be changed. Been said before it's easy to lose your custom but bl00dy hard to get them. Stilloyal
  • Score: 0

9:54pm Fri 28 Feb 14

Oi Den! says...

Agree with all of that Loyal but is Cooper the man who should be getting the flak if he's just doing what he's told?
Agree with all of that Loyal but is Cooper the man who should be getting the flak if he's just doing what he's told? Oi Den!
  • Score: 0

10:16pm Fri 28 Feb 14

Since 1950 says...

Oi Den! wrote:
It's often been said that there's never a dull moment being a Town fan. 2013/14 has changed all that. We've had a shed load of dull moments. I agree with all the comments about the way we play. A passing game is great if it has an end product. Unfortunately our passing game seems to be played mostly without urgency or purpose. But is it really Cooper's fault? I reckon it's more likely a case of "Play the Power/Spurs way or walk the plank". Some people will say Cooper has no balls if this is the case but if he decided to quit over the style of play, wouldn't we just end up In the same position with a different manager? Cooper still has my full support.
Den. There is no doubt Cooper was dropped in the deep end when kevmac no showed at the FGR game pre season. We were an an embarresment there. He has had a difficult job to do and to keep it he has to toe the line. Maybe kevmac grew a pair and wouldn't be dictated to.
I have said before that our problem this season has been inexperience from the manager down. At times it's been like the blind leading the blind.
Mid table will be a result this season and if we manage it again next, even better.
COYR!
[quote][p][bold]Oi Den![/bold] wrote: It's often been said that there's never a dull moment being a Town fan. 2013/14 has changed all that. We've had a shed load of dull moments. I agree with all the comments about the way we play. A passing game is great if it has an end product. Unfortunately our passing game seems to be played mostly without urgency or purpose. But is it really Cooper's fault? I reckon it's more likely a case of "Play the Power/Spurs way or walk the plank". Some people will say Cooper has no balls if this is the case but if he decided to quit over the style of play, wouldn't we just end up In the same position with a different manager? Cooper still has my full support.[/p][/quote]Den. There is no doubt Cooper was dropped in the deep end when kevmac no showed at the FGR game pre season. We were an an embarresment there. He has had a difficult job to do and to keep it he has to toe the line. Maybe kevmac grew a pair and wouldn't be dictated to. I have said before that our problem this season has been inexperience from the manager down. At times it's been like the blind leading the blind. Mid table will be a result this season and if we manage it again next, even better. COYR! Since 1950
  • Score: 1

10:59pm Fri 28 Feb 14

Wayne Allison Bromham says...

At the start of the season it would say 90% of fans would have said a top half finish would be a great achievement given the constraints the club was working under and the total mish mash of players we had from here there and everywhere. I think you could have put Mourinho in charge and he would have struggled to so any better than we have. At the end of the day I wouldn't say I'm Coopers biggest fan and some of the stuff he comes out with at interviews is quite strange. But when you look at the squad about three quarters of it aren't up to league one football, so with injuries affecting the main players results are going to be hard to come by no matter what
At the start of the season it would say 90% of fans would have said a top half finish would be a great achievement given the constraints the club was working under and the total mish mash of players we had from here there and everywhere. I think you could have put Mourinho in charge and he would have struggled to so any better than we have. At the end of the day I wouldn't say I'm Coopers biggest fan and some of the stuff he comes out with at interviews is quite strange. But when you look at the squad about three quarters of it aren't up to league one football, so with injuries affecting the main players results are going to be hard to come by no matter what Wayne Allison Bromham
  • Score: 1

11:12pm Fri 28 Feb 14

Oxon-Red says...

London Red wrote:
This is exactly why we should already be preparing for life with out Jay
.
With his injuries and suspensions we are hardly getting any games out of him which just disrupts the back 4 - the one place you want consistency!
.
Then even when he does play he is hit and miss
.
We should be nailing down either Byrne or A.Smith as our LB and playing them regularly so they get used to it and the rest of the team get use to them
.
Same at CB - if Troy is not going to be offered a new deal now the POs are all but gone we should be going with who we think will be here next season and challenging - be it Branco or Oakley
.
If Troy is to stay then yes keep playing him - if not why bother?
LR,

Opinions, of course, but in mind Jay has been consistent this season, he shows passion (which he needs to control at times) but he is a very reliable player and comes across as one that gives 100%. He does not disrupt the back four but enhances it and provides decent attacking options although his crossing could improve. His injuries have been a problem as has his suspensions (the last quite harsh having seen the tackle on Nathan receive only a yellow on Tuesday).

Again my opinion but if he can sort his knee problem out I see him as a McCormack type and a possible captain. IMO he has the passion, he has the commitment and he has played at the heart of the defence.

All my opinion of course but...

COYMR
[quote][p][bold]London Red[/bold] wrote: This is exactly why we should already be preparing for life with out Jay . With his injuries and suspensions we are hardly getting any games out of him which just disrupts the back 4 - the one place you want consistency! . Then even when he does play he is hit and miss . We should be nailing down either Byrne or A.Smith as our LB and playing them regularly so they get used to it and the rest of the team get use to them . Same at CB - if Troy is not going to be offered a new deal now the POs are all but gone we should be going with who we think will be here next season and challenging - be it Branco or Oakley . If Troy is to stay then yes keep playing him - if not why bother?[/p][/quote]LR, Opinions, of course, but in mind Jay has been consistent this season, he shows passion (which he needs to control at times) but he is a very reliable player and comes across as one that gives 100%. He does not disrupt the back four but enhances it and provides decent attacking options although his crossing could improve. His injuries have been a problem as has his suspensions (the last quite harsh having seen the tackle on Nathan receive only a yellow on Tuesday). Again my opinion but if he can sort his knee problem out I see him as a McCormack type and a possible captain. IMO he has the passion, he has the commitment and he has played at the heart of the defence. All my opinion of course but... COYMR Oxon-Red
  • Score: 0

11:15pm Fri 28 Feb 14

Oxon-Red says...

smirg kcab wrote:
Still a fantastic chance to get automatic, we don't want a draw to end in top six.
I'm sure smith will bag a treble against a relegation fodder team.
Looking forward to the perfect treble, one left foot, one right foot and a header. Of course we will draw 3-3 though and ruin any chance.

Sarcasm...

COYMR
[quote][p][bold]smirg kcab[/bold] wrote: Still a fantastic chance to get automatic, we don't want a draw to end in top six. I'm sure smith will bag a treble against a relegation fodder team.[/p][/quote]Looking forward to the perfect treble, one left foot, one right foot and a header. Of course we will draw 3-3 though and ruin any chance. Sarcasm... COYMR Oxon-Red
  • Score: 0

11:24pm Fri 28 Feb 14

mancrobin says...

I know that many people have been consistent with their comments and criticisms but the mood of the posts at any one time always reflects the result and the performance of the last game. The implication of some of the above posts that this has been a dull and unsuccessful season is simply not the case. We have had a very inconsistent season as many predicted.

I should know more than anyone how badly we have played away at times because I've had to suffer a number of those performances. I've also experienced a fantastic display of pass and move football at Wolves and the brilliant and tenacious performance at Port Vale. I've heard people purring after some of our home performances and on other occasions admitting we were lucky, or out played or just downright cr@p. We've had it all.

And the reason is that we are a club in transition, trying to build the future with mainly young players and opportunist loanee deals. That combined with a considerable amount of bad luck on the injury front is bound to lead to inconsistency.

If on reflection we finish top half ( which I predict), got within a penalty of Wembley and had a decent run on the Capital One, I for one will say that's been a pretty decent season, all things considered.

Looking forward to the trip to Crewe tomorrow.

COYR'ssssss
I know that many people have been consistent with their comments and criticisms but the mood of the posts at any one time always reflects the result and the performance of the last game. The implication of some of the above posts that this has been a dull and unsuccessful season is simply not the case. We have had a very inconsistent season as many predicted. I should know more than anyone how badly we have played away at times because I've had to suffer a number of those performances. I've also experienced a fantastic display of pass and move football at Wolves and the brilliant and tenacious performance at Port Vale. I've heard people purring after some of our home performances and on other occasions admitting we were lucky, or out played or just downright cr@p. We've had it all. And the reason is that we are a club in transition, trying to build the future with mainly young players and opportunist loanee deals. That combined with a considerable amount of bad luck on the injury front is bound to lead to inconsistency. If on reflection we finish top half ( which I predict), got within a penalty of Wembley and had a decent run on the Capital One, I for one will say that's been a pretty decent season, all things considered. Looking forward to the trip to Crewe tomorrow. COYR'ssssss mancrobin
  • Score: 0

11:30pm Fri 28 Feb 14

uruguay whitey the red says...

kmac did indeed jack it in because of the meddling from lee power,cooper begged to get the gig(at any costs!)and does as hes told.the strange thing was power appointing the backroom staff before giving cooper the managers job,at least have the chance to choose who works and helps you out surely?
we have been crying out for a couple of experienced older heads,god knows what happens next season with the loans going back and most of this squad out of contract.plus we cant have passengers like this season,those crocks have to go!.
kmac did indeed jack it in because of the meddling from lee power,cooper begged to get the gig(at any costs!)and does as hes told.the strange thing was power appointing the backroom staff before giving cooper the managers job,at least have the chance to choose who works and helps you out surely? we have been crying out for a couple of experienced older heads,god knows what happens next season with the loans going back and most of this squad out of contract.plus we cant have passengers like this season,those crocks have to go!. uruguay whitey the red
  • Score: 0

11:37pm Fri 28 Feb 14

Oxon-Red says...

lifelong red wrote:
Many fans are concerned about the " tippy tappy " approach displayed at present thus lack of goal mouth action , and rightly so to- on Tuesday night, first half in particular , was like watching a exhibition match for charity. Going back to the hoddle/ ossie eras, we were a passing team then- but it was done with purpose and an end product- the team then was also packed with players of leadership and experience - haven't got much of that now- maybe food for thought for Lee Power in his quest to build for next season.
You know what really pees me off about references to tippy-tappy...


.. .when the opponents launch a long ball forward you hear a "hoof" from the crowd.

I experienced the frustration of the tippy-tappy on Tuesday and was frustrated at times but there were also times that the approach saw the possibility of a good opening created. Unfortunately I felt that the final ball, the one that matters, let us down.

Have we all perhaps had a culture shock ?

Have we been so used to seeing the ball launched from one end of the field to the other that we forgot that you can build an attack and that sometimes you have to go backwards, regroup and try again. Hoofball is great when it works but worse than tippy-tappy when it doesn't (IMO anyway)

Hoddle and Ossie inherited experienced teams which had in the most part been together for a while. Players stayed at clubs longer because the money was not such a factor and as a result there was more stability. Few loan players, a different era, a bit like comparing chalk & cheese, a bit unfair IMO.

COYMR
[quote][p][bold]lifelong red[/bold] wrote: Many fans are concerned about the " tippy tappy " approach displayed at present thus lack of goal mouth action , and rightly so to- on Tuesday night, first half in particular , was like watching a exhibition match for charity. Going back to the hoddle/ ossie eras, we were a passing team then- but it was done with purpose and an end product- the team then was also packed with players of leadership and experience - haven't got much of that now- maybe food for thought for Lee Power in his quest to build for next season.[/p][/quote]You know what really pees me off about references to tippy-tappy... .. .when the opponents launch a long ball forward you hear a "hoof" from the crowd. I experienced the frustration of the tippy-tappy on Tuesday and was frustrated at times but there were also times that the approach saw the possibility of a good opening created. Unfortunately I felt that the final ball, the one that matters, let us down. Have we all perhaps had a culture shock ? Have we been so used to seeing the ball launched from one end of the field to the other that we forgot that you can build an attack and that sometimes you have to go backwards, regroup and try again. Hoofball is great when it works but worse than tippy-tappy when it doesn't (IMO anyway) Hoddle and Ossie inherited experienced teams which had in the most part been together for a while. Players stayed at clubs longer because the money was not such a factor and as a result there was more stability. Few loan players, a different era, a bit like comparing chalk & cheese, a bit unfair IMO. COYMR Oxon-Red
  • Score: 0

11:44pm Fri 28 Feb 14

Oxon-Red says...

Paul12001 wrote:
I personally don't really understand all this Cooper battering. With everything that's happened at the football club in the past 18 months, Paolo, Jeremy Wray, Jed McCory, Kevin McDonald, the likes of Alan McCormack, James Collins, Adam Rooney going along with various budget cuts what were fans expecting this season??

I was hoping for some stability and mid table not a relegation battle though I did half expect one. What we have currently got is 8th place, just outside play offs and at times some good football with a young squad. The cup defeats were disappointing but we were never going to win the FA cup or capital cup.

Mark Cooper is a fairly young manager and inexperienced at this level and it's a fairly young squad which personally I would rather see than loads of ageing pros looking for final pay days. With that I accept that there will be inconsistency but at least the young squad are working hard for the club with no big time Charlie's there. It will take time to get a settled style that is effective along with more consistent displays. I know it's not an excuse and very team suffers with injuries but the have been some key ones this year also.

Mark Cooper seems to be in it for the long run, Lee Power also and he is obviously trying to make the club better run financially to secure the long term future of the club as let's not forget we nearly went out of business! As fans we should be patient and "support" the club, we are all in it together surely?

There is no quick fix, we can't afford huge salaries of proven players from a higher level so trying to develop young players has to be the way to go but it will be a bumpy ride at times.

Come on let's all get together, support all of the players and management team, have a decent end to the season with a view to building for next season and if we get in the play offs that would be a bonus but not expected.

COYR!
Best post I have read for a long time.

Too much short term gain and not enough long term planning by some IMO. Same could be said for the bankers, and that is not cockney rhyming. The expression "good things come..." springs to mind !

COYMR
[quote][p][bold]Paul12001[/bold] wrote: I personally don't really understand all this Cooper battering. With everything that's happened at the football club in the past 18 months, Paolo, Jeremy Wray, Jed McCory, Kevin McDonald, the likes of Alan McCormack, James Collins, Adam Rooney going along with various budget cuts what were fans expecting this season?? I was hoping for some stability and mid table not a relegation battle though I did half expect one. What we have currently got is 8th place, just outside play offs and at times some good football with a young squad. The cup defeats were disappointing but we were never going to win the FA cup or capital cup. Mark Cooper is a fairly young manager and inexperienced at this level and it's a fairly young squad which personally I would rather see than loads of ageing pros looking for final pay days. With that I accept that there will be inconsistency but at least the young squad are working hard for the club with no big time Charlie's there. It will take time to get a settled style that is effective along with more consistent displays. I know it's not an excuse and very team suffers with injuries but the have been some key ones this year also. Mark Cooper seems to be in it for the long run, Lee Power also and he is obviously trying to make the club better run financially to secure the long term future of the club as let's not forget we nearly went out of business! As fans we should be patient and "support" the club, we are all in it together surely? There is no quick fix, we can't afford huge salaries of proven players from a higher level so trying to develop young players has to be the way to go but it will be a bumpy ride at times. Come on let's all get together, support all of the players and management team, have a decent end to the season with a view to building for next season and if we get in the play offs that would be a bonus but not expected. COYR![/p][/quote]Best post I have read for a long time. Too much short term gain and not enough long term planning by some IMO. Same could be said for the bankers, and that is not cockney rhyming. The expression "good things come..." springs to mind ! COYMR Oxon-Red
  • Score: 0

11:52pm Fri 28 Feb 14

Oxon-Red says...

Paul12001 wrote:
I guess every fan has their own opinion on what style of football they want to watch, some will want patient passing some will want route one high tempo football. Again personally I don't really enjoy seeing the ball smashed from one end of the pitch to the other for a scrap between a target man and a hairy arsed brute of a centre half, yet I do hear fans screaming "get it forward"......

There are different ways to win a game, there is no right or wrong way and finding the balance between trying to entertain the fans and win is not easy.

I think it's a work in progress, you don't just build a team overnight or in one season, even if you have pots of money, which we don't. Some signings will be gambles and come off and some will fail and fall by the wayside until gradually you get pretty much the balance of the squad you want.

I enjoy watching the likes of Byrne, Mason, Luongo and especially Pritchard and I also appreciate Ranger when he's on the pitch but with him comes so much baggage. Then I also love seeing the likes of the Thompson brothers, two cracking young local players who have come through the system.

I'm not sure about Barker, jury out on N'Guessen, Murphy and Reckord not offered much and need more time and appearances to gauge Gladwin and to some degree Barthram (shown glimpses but looks a little portly for someone so young).

End of the season decisions will need to be made on the likes of Ward, McEveley, Archibald, Reis as the question remains will 3 of those 4 really be up to the rigours of the season as I don't think you can afford to carry players who have injury issues which keep them out so much and Ward appears to be at the back end of his career, though has been a model professional.

I don't see what changing the manager again so soon will achieve, give Cooper a chance and judge him halfway through next season.
Even better post and good balanced explanation. Haven't got further down the thread but no doubt you will be ridiculed by someone with a cheap "funny" one-liner. Those calling for Mark's head never offer an alternative and I will bet they will be the first to be calling for someone new if Mark is replaced.


COYMR
[quote][p][bold]Paul12001[/bold] wrote: I guess every fan has their own opinion on what style of football they want to watch, some will want patient passing some will want route one high tempo football. Again personally I don't really enjoy seeing the ball smashed from one end of the pitch to the other for a scrap between a target man and a hairy arsed brute of a centre half, yet I do hear fans screaming "get it forward"...... There are different ways to win a game, there is no right or wrong way and finding the balance between trying to entertain the fans and win is not easy. I think it's a work in progress, you don't just build a team overnight or in one season, even if you have pots of money, which we don't. Some signings will be gambles and come off and some will fail and fall by the wayside until gradually you get pretty much the balance of the squad you want. I enjoy watching the likes of Byrne, Mason, Luongo and especially Pritchard and I also appreciate Ranger when he's on the pitch but with him comes so much baggage. Then I also love seeing the likes of the Thompson brothers, two cracking young local players who have come through the system. I'm not sure about Barker, jury out on N'Guessen, Murphy and Reckord not offered much and need more time and appearances to gauge Gladwin and to some degree Barthram (shown glimpses but looks a little portly for someone so young). End of the season decisions will need to be made on the likes of Ward, McEveley, Archibald, Reis as the question remains will 3 of those 4 really be up to the rigours of the season as I don't think you can afford to carry players who have injury issues which keep them out so much and Ward appears to be at the back end of his career, though has been a model professional. I don't see what changing the manager again so soon will achieve, give Cooper a chance and judge him halfway through next season.[/p][/quote]Even better post and good balanced explanation. Haven't got further down the thread but no doubt you will be ridiculed by someone with a cheap "funny" one-liner. Those calling for Mark's head never offer an alternative and I will bet they will be the first to be calling for someone new if Mark is replaced. COYMR Oxon-Red
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12:06am Sat 1 Mar 14

Oxon-Red says...

Oi Den! wrote:
It's often been said that there's never a dull moment being a Town fan. 2013/14 has changed all that. We've had a shed load of dull moments. I agree with all the comments about the way we play. A passing game is great if it has an end product. Unfortunately our passing game seems to be played mostly without urgency or purpose. But is it really Cooper's fault? I reckon it's more likely a case of "Play the Power/Spurs way or walk the plank". Some people will say Cooper has no balls if this is the case but if he decided to quit over the style of play, wouldn't we just end up In the same position with a different manager? Cooper still has my full support.
Den,

I agree and recently we have not been able to put out the same 11 in consecutive matches. Reminds me very much of this time last season when those that were fit played and the manager became the scapegoat. We have good players at the club but particularly recently we have not had any consistency due to injuries and suspensions. I suspect that the vast majority of managers will say that having a settled starting eleven for the majority of a season is a key factor in being successful.

COYMR
[quote][p][bold]Oi Den![/bold] wrote: It's often been said that there's never a dull moment being a Town fan. 2013/14 has changed all that. We've had a shed load of dull moments. I agree with all the comments about the way we play. A passing game is great if it has an end product. Unfortunately our passing game seems to be played mostly without urgency or purpose. But is it really Cooper's fault? I reckon it's more likely a case of "Play the Power/Spurs way or walk the plank". Some people will say Cooper has no balls if this is the case but if he decided to quit over the style of play, wouldn't we just end up In the same position with a different manager? Cooper still has my full support.[/p][/quote]Den, I agree and recently we have not been able to put out the same 11 in consecutive matches. Reminds me very much of this time last season when those that were fit played and the manager became the scapegoat. We have good players at the club but particularly recently we have not had any consistency due to injuries and suspensions. I suspect that the vast majority of managers will say that having a settled starting eleven for the majority of a season is a key factor in being successful. COYMR Oxon-Red
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12:19am Sat 1 Mar 14

Oxon-Red says...

Sorry for rants but would ask Uruguay if he effectively bought a failing company if he would then want to have no input into the way it was run ?

COYMR
Sorry for rants but would ask Uruguay if he effectively bought a failing company if he would then want to have no input into the way it was run ? COYMR Oxon-Red
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1:16am Sat 1 Mar 14

The Jockster says...

smirg kcab wrote:
Still a fantastic chance to get automatic, we don't want a draw to end in top six.
I'm sure smith will bag a treble against a relegation fodder team.
Sarcasm is the lowest form of wit but I love it!
[quote][p][bold]smirg kcab[/bold] wrote: Still a fantastic chance to get automatic, we don't want a draw to end in top six. I'm sure smith will bag a treble against a relegation fodder team.[/p][/quote]Sarcasm is the lowest form of wit but I love it! The Jockster
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1:20am Sat 1 Mar 14

The Jockster says...

the don69 wrote:
buckobassettboy wrote:
Drastic changes for the game on Saturday due to the injuries-in comes Peter Downsborough after a very long lay off.Much relief that Rod Thomas returns along with Big Frank Burrows-filling in the gap after the recent toothless performances-with hopefully a spirited appearance from Stan Harland and John Trollope- who is still injury free.In the box-literally-in front of the back 4 is John Smith.joined by Dennis Brown,oiled up and ready to go.The sprightly Don Heath on the right and Sir Don on the left.DannyN'Guessan makes a surprise start -with a record 2 consecutive appearances-with Mickey Hazard(Taxi!) who got a job West last night.It is a n untried team and formation but with the season almost up Doris the tea lady felt the team selection may spur some memories of desire and commitment.She said ''There are many,many more ex players out there who despite their age are up for the cause and assure me they are not in it for the money-just the shirt and the adulation of the fans-It brings tears to my eyes''
LOL.I wish Bassetboy! I'd be off to Crewe tomorrow in a flash if that was our side,instead it's shopping with the misses for me tomorrow Yawn!!!!!!!!!!!
Don I'm off to Crewe so I'll let you know afterwards whether shopping with mrs. Was the better deal- somehow I think it might be!
[quote][p][bold]the don69[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]buckobassettboy[/bold] wrote: Drastic changes for the game on Saturday due to the injuries-in comes Peter Downsborough after a very long lay off.Much relief that Rod Thomas returns along with Big Frank Burrows-filling in the gap after the recent toothless performances-with hopefully a spirited appearance from Stan Harland and John Trollope- who is still injury free.In the box-literally-in front of the back 4 is John Smith.joined by Dennis Brown,oiled up and ready to go.The sprightly Don Heath on the right and Sir Don on the left.DannyN'Guessan makes a surprise start -with a record 2 consecutive appearances-with Mickey Hazard(Taxi!) who got a job West last night.It is a n untried team and formation but with the season almost up Doris the tea lady felt the team selection may spur some memories of desire and commitment.She said ''There are many,many more ex players out there who despite their age are up for the cause and assure me they are not in it for the money-just the shirt and the adulation of the fans-It brings tears to my eyes''[/p][/quote]LOL.I wish Bassetboy! I'd be off to Crewe tomorrow in a flash if that was our side,instead it's shopping with the misses for me tomorrow Yawn!!!!!!!!!!![/p][/quote]Don I'm off to Crewe so I'll let you know afterwards whether shopping with mrs. Was the better deal- somehow I think it might be! The Jockster
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8:42am Sat 1 Mar 14

jayden says...

Oi Den! wrote:
It's often been said that there's never a dull moment being a Town fan. 2013/14 has changed all that. We've had a shed load of dull moments. I agree with all the comments about the way we play. A passing game is great if it has an end product. Unfortunately our passing game seems to be played mostly without urgency or purpose. But is it really Cooper's fault? I reckon it's more likely a case of "Play the Power/Spurs way or walk the plank". Some people will say Cooper has no balls if this is the case but if he decided to quit over the style of play, wouldn't we just end up In the same position with a different manager? Cooper still has my full support.
Glad to see you back Den
[quote][p][bold]Oi Den![/bold] wrote: It's often been said that there's never a dull moment being a Town fan. 2013/14 has changed all that. We've had a shed load of dull moments. I agree with all the comments about the way we play. A passing game is great if it has an end product. Unfortunately our passing game seems to be played mostly without urgency or purpose. But is it really Cooper's fault? I reckon it's more likely a case of "Play the Power/Spurs way or walk the plank". Some people will say Cooper has no balls if this is the case but if he decided to quit over the style of play, wouldn't we just end up In the same position with a different manager? Cooper still has my full support.[/p][/quote]Glad to see you back Den jayden
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10:27am Sat 1 Mar 14

London Red says...

TheDukeOfBanbury wrote:
socraties wrote:
London Red wrote:
This is exactly why we should already be preparing for life with out Jay . With his injuries and suspensions we are hardly getting any games out of him which just disrupts the back 4 - the one place you want consistency! . Then even when he does play he is hit and miss . We should be nailing down either Byrne or A.Smith as our LB and playing them regularly so they get used to it and the rest of the team get use to them . Same at CB - if Troy is not going to be offered a new deal now the POs are all but gone we should be going with who we think will be here next season and challenging - be it Branco or Oakley . If Troy is to stay then yes keep playing him - if not why bother?
Spot on London Red - I really do not rate McEverley. He is very inconsistant, can't cross a ball and is a bit of a hot head.

Time for him to step down

COYR
If you think Branco or Oakley are ready to maintain consistency in Div 1 football then I would be very concerned indeed.
In fact I am concerned that the fringe players would struggle in Div 2.
Sadly I have seen nothing from a lot of the squad this season.
Hope they quickly improve and hope we can strengthen in the close season but it's not going to be easy. We no longer will be high up in the pecking order attracting decent signings.
Hope I have got it all wrong.
Duke - yes Branco has been up and down but doesn't the Bradford away and Posh at home show his potential?
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What's the best way to get "ready" - surely it is play and get experience?
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When better than a run in when there is no pressure of missing out on promotion or costing you relegation?
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Oakley has not played so not sure how anyone can criticise him?
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Yes he may not be ready - but he may be a Louis Thompson!
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Only one way to find out really!
[quote][p][bold]TheDukeOfBanbury[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]socraties[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]London Red[/bold] wrote: This is exactly why we should already be preparing for life with out Jay . With his injuries and suspensions we are hardly getting any games out of him which just disrupts the back 4 - the one place you want consistency! . Then even when he does play he is hit and miss . We should be nailing down either Byrne or A.Smith as our LB and playing them regularly so they get used to it and the rest of the team get use to them . Same at CB - if Troy is not going to be offered a new deal now the POs are all but gone we should be going with who we think will be here next season and challenging - be it Branco or Oakley . If Troy is to stay then yes keep playing him - if not why bother?[/p][/quote]Spot on London Red - I really do not rate McEverley. He is very inconsistant, can't cross a ball and is a bit of a hot head. Time for him to step down COYR[/p][/quote]If you think Branco or Oakley are ready to maintain consistency in Div 1 football then I would be very concerned indeed. In fact I am concerned that the fringe players would struggle in Div 2. Sadly I have seen nothing from a lot of the squad this season. Hope they quickly improve and hope we can strengthen in the close season but it's not going to be easy. We no longer will be high up in the pecking order attracting decent signings. Hope I have got it all wrong.[/p][/quote]Duke - yes Branco has been up and down but doesn't the Bradford away and Posh at home show his potential? . What's the best way to get "ready" - surely it is play and get experience? . When better than a run in when there is no pressure of missing out on promotion or costing you relegation? . Oakley has not played so not sure how anyone can criticise him? . Yes he may not be ready - but he may be a Louis Thompson! . Only one way to find out really! London Red
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12:33pm Sat 1 Mar 14

lifelong red says...

Oxon-Red wrote:
lifelong red wrote:
Many fans are concerned about the " tippy tappy " approach displayed at present thus lack of goal mouth action , and rightly so to- on Tuesday night, first half in particular , was like watching a exhibition match for charity. Going back to the hoddle/ ossie eras, we were a passing team then- but it was done with purpose and an end product- the team then was also packed with players of leadership and experience - haven't got much of that now- maybe food for thought for Lee Power in his quest to build for next season.
You know what really pees me off about references to tippy-tappy...


.. .when the opponents launch a long ball forward you hear a "hoof" from the crowd.

I experienced the frustration of the tippy-tappy on Tuesday and was frustrated at times but there were also times that the approach saw the possibility of a good opening created. Unfortunately I felt that the final ball, the one that matters, let us down.

Have we all perhaps had a culture shock ?

Have we been so used to seeing the ball launched from one end of the field to the other that we forgot that you can build an attack and that sometimes you have to go backwards, regroup and try again. Hoofball is great when it works but worse than tippy-tappy when it doesn't (IMO anyway)

Hoddle and Ossie inherited experienced teams which had in the most part been together for a while. Players stayed at clubs longer because the money was not such a factor and as a result there was more stability. Few loan players, a different era, a bit like comparing chalk & cheese, a bit unfair IMO.

COYMR
Not trying to compare here- just saying we could maybe do with 2or 3 players similar to the ones from that era to maybe help bring along the younger ones in the present team.
[quote][p][bold]Oxon-Red[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]lifelong red[/bold] wrote: Many fans are concerned about the " tippy tappy " approach displayed at present thus lack of goal mouth action , and rightly so to- on Tuesday night, first half in particular , was like watching a exhibition match for charity. Going back to the hoddle/ ossie eras, we were a passing team then- but it was done with purpose and an end product- the team then was also packed with players of leadership and experience - haven't got much of that now- maybe food for thought for Lee Power in his quest to build for next season.[/p][/quote]You know what really pees me off about references to tippy-tappy... .. .when the opponents launch a long ball forward you hear a "hoof" from the crowd. I experienced the frustration of the tippy-tappy on Tuesday and was frustrated at times but there were also times that the approach saw the possibility of a good opening created. Unfortunately I felt that the final ball, the one that matters, let us down. Have we all perhaps had a culture shock ? Have we been so used to seeing the ball launched from one end of the field to the other that we forgot that you can build an attack and that sometimes you have to go backwards, regroup and try again. Hoofball is great when it works but worse than tippy-tappy when it doesn't (IMO anyway) Hoddle and Ossie inherited experienced teams which had in the most part been together for a while. Players stayed at clubs longer because the money was not such a factor and as a result there was more stability. Few loan players, a different era, a bit like comparing chalk & cheese, a bit unfair IMO. COYMR[/p][/quote]Not trying to compare here- just saying we could maybe do with 2or 3 players similar to the ones from that era to maybe help bring along the younger ones in the present team. lifelong red
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