SWINDON TOWN: Kasim praises atmosphere created by new signings

The Wiltshire Gazette and Herald: Yaser Kasim Yaser Kasim

YASER Kasim feels the signings made by Swindon Town in January will generate the kind of competitive environment the squad needs to ensure they maintain their League One play-off push.

Town added Michael Smith, George Barker and Jamie Reckord during the January transfer window, which closed on Friday.

For Kasim, Swindon’s latest acquisitions have helped improve the mindset of the Robins’ players and he thinks that can only iccrease the team’s chances of finishing in the top six.

“I think they’ve done well. I think they’ve given competition, I think one or two players have lifted their game because of it. I think it’s good,” he told the Advertiser.

“They’re good lads, they’ll fit in well and hopefully they’ll keep working hard and doing the business. It’ll breed a better environment, as long as the players know they fight on the pitch and on the training ground and then off it we’re all friends.

“It can only breed good things come matchday. We’re in and around it and I think, if we keep believing, we can get there. “I’d love to get in the play-offs and have a chance to get up to the next division.”

Kasim was not involved in the 1-0 defeat to Oldham on Saturday as he was rested, but the Iraqi was happy to be reunited with Massimo Luongo in the middle of midfield at Walsall last week after his teammate was moved forward out of the holding role in front of the back four. “It feels good to play with Mass, sometimes Louis (Thompson) comes in and there’s a nice little balance in there,” he said.

“Sometimes it takes time to work but it’s looking good in there and, looking at the future, it could be a really good midfield.”

Kasim recognised how important it now is for Town to take at least a point from as many games as possible as they try to keep up with the top six.

“Those points count up and you look back at it and you think we should have done better,” he said. “The team is taking on a little bit of a new shape now where we seem to understand how to win or get a point and they all count.”

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5:43am Tue 4 Feb 14

The Jockster says...

Playoffs? Dream on Yaser!
Playoffs? Dream on Yaser! The Jockster
  • Score: -12

7:07am Tue 4 Feb 14

bhred says...

On Satursday's performance, personally I'd back Gladwin to provide the bit of muscle and forward momentum sometimes missing from our midfield unit. i know he's relatively inexperienced but i thought he looked really good when he came on
What do others think?
On Satursday's performance, personally I'd back Gladwin to provide the bit of muscle and forward momentum sometimes missing from our midfield unit. i know he's relatively inexperienced but i thought he looked really good when he came on What do others think? bhred
  • Score: 16

7:23am Tue 4 Feb 14

sadgit says...

Are Kasims comments for real?
Are Kasims comments for real? sadgit
  • Score: 3

7:37am Tue 4 Feb 14

Helpme234 says...

bhred wrote:
On Satursday's performance, personally I'd back Gladwin to provide the bit of muscle and forward momentum sometimes missing from our midfield unit. i know he's relatively inexperienced but i thought he looked really good when he came on
What do others think?
Agree - a bit more more experience and he could do the job that the others don't seem able to.
[quote][p][bold]bhred[/bold] wrote: On Satursday's performance, personally I'd back Gladwin to provide the bit of muscle and forward momentum sometimes missing from our midfield unit. i know he's relatively inexperienced but i thought he looked really good when he came on What do others think?[/p][/quote]Agree - a bit more more experience and he could do the job that the others don't seem able to. Helpme234
  • Score: 9

7:50am Tue 4 Feb 14

Graham8181 says...

Are you taking the p*ss? You're almost as daluded as cooper. Forget about the playoffs. The article I want to see on this website is cooper is gone and we are in the hunt for a new manager. You only have to watch an interview with him to see how un-motivating he is. He has no passion at all. Let's not even talk about his tacticle awareness or prioritising signings that have been Needed for the team all season
Are you taking the p*ss? You're almost as daluded as cooper. Forget about the playoffs. The article I want to see on this website is cooper is gone and we are in the hunt for a new manager. You only have to watch an interview with him to see how un-motivating he is. He has no passion at all. Let's not even talk about his tacticle awareness or prioritising signings that have been Needed for the team all season Graham8181
  • Score: -46

8:20am Tue 4 Feb 14

oz ashes says...

Graham8181 wrote:
Are you taking the p*ss? You're almost as daluded as cooper. Forget about the playoffs. The article I want to see on this website is cooper is gone and we are in the hunt for a new manager. You only have to watch an interview with him to see how un-motivating he is. He has no passion at all. Let's not even talk about his tacticle awareness or prioritising signings that have been Needed for the team all season
prioritising signings
you been in hibernation in january
1 out 3 in as i see it
[quote][p][bold]Graham8181[/bold] wrote: Are you taking the p*ss? You're almost as daluded as cooper. Forget about the playoffs. The article I want to see on this website is cooper is gone and we are in the hunt for a new manager. You only have to watch an interview with him to see how un-motivating he is. He has no passion at all. Let's not even talk about his tacticle awareness or prioritising signings that have been Needed for the team all season[/p][/quote]prioritising signings you been in hibernation in january 1 out 3 in as i see it oz ashes
  • Score: 3

8:20am Tue 4 Feb 14

Robinonfire says...

We lost Saturday.....what a great atmosphere.
We lost Saturday.....what a great atmosphere. Robinonfire
  • Score: -3

8:21am Tue 4 Feb 14

stranglers says...

Graham8181 wrote:
Are you taking the p*ss? You're almost as daluded as cooper. Forget about the playoffs. The article I want to see on this website is cooper is gone and we are in the hunt for a new manager. You only have to watch an interview with him to see how un-motivating he is. He has no passion at all. Let's not even talk about his tacticle awareness or prioritising signings that have been Needed for the team all season
Brilliant post 8181.
[quote][p][bold]Graham8181[/bold] wrote: Are you taking the p*ss? You're almost as daluded as cooper. Forget about the playoffs. The article I want to see on this website is cooper is gone and we are in the hunt for a new manager. You only have to watch an interview with him to see how un-motivating he is. He has no passion at all. Let's not even talk about his tacticle awareness or prioritising signings that have been Needed for the team all season[/p][/quote]Brilliant post 8181. stranglers
  • Score: -36

8:52am Tue 4 Feb 14

Oi Den! says...

Until the two main weaknesses are addressed we will just stumble on, picking up points here and there but with no sense of real progress. In the rush to cut costs in the summer, we threw the baby out with the bath water. We replaced strength with weakness and we're now paying the inevitable price - poor performances in the tough mid-winter conditions.

A lot is made of the fact that the playing budget had to be cut. But is it not still £2.5m? That is a great deal more than many clubs have needed to achieve success in this division. After the summer culling the first priorities should have been shoring up the defence with a leader and adding some grit and graft to midfield. And what did we do? - sign a centre back who hardly got a look in during a year at Brighton and a troupe of midfield fancy dans who can't compete when the going gets tough. Very poor approach.

Despite Cooper's awful tinkering on Saturday, I still can't see that he's to blame for the generally dismal performances of late. He's been dealt a very poor hand. Somehow he's managed to keep us away from relegation trouble up to now. I give him credit for that.
Until the two main weaknesses are addressed we will just stumble on, picking up points here and there but with no sense of real progress. In the rush to cut costs in the summer, we threw the baby out with the bath water. We replaced strength with weakness and we're now paying the inevitable price - poor performances in the tough mid-winter conditions. A lot is made of the fact that the playing budget had to be cut. But is it not still £2.5m? That is a great deal more than many clubs have needed to achieve success in this division. After the summer culling the first priorities should have been shoring up the defence with a leader and adding some grit and graft to midfield. And what did we do? - sign a centre back who hardly got a look in during a year at Brighton and a troupe of midfield fancy dans who can't compete when the going gets tough. Very poor approach. Despite Cooper's awful tinkering on Saturday, I still can't see that he's to blame for the generally dismal performances of late. He's been dealt a very poor hand. Somehow he's managed to keep us away from relegation trouble up to now. I give him credit for that. Oi Den!
  • Score: -1

9:18am Tue 4 Feb 14

Custodian says...

Just nine or so more points and we'll be safe.
Just nine or so more points and we'll be safe. Custodian
  • Score: 2

9:20am Tue 4 Feb 14

whats that says...

This is a strange article really following Saturday's shocker. In Kasim's defence though, I expect the Adver had this interview with him prior to Saturday's game. Unfortunately for him, his comments do sound a bit stupid now as clearly the additional competition for places didnt lift anyone's game on Saturday!
This is a strange article really following Saturday's shocker. In Kasim's defence though, I expect the Adver had this interview with him prior to Saturday's game. Unfortunately for him, his comments do sound a bit stupid now as clearly the additional competition for places didnt lift anyone's game on Saturday! whats that
  • Score: 15

9:28am Tue 4 Feb 14

tifosi says...

Play off push ?? Right ..... so they make the play offs, by some miracle win the play offs, and in the Championship they play like they did on Saturday.
Should be just fine then.
Play off push ?? Right ..... so they make the play offs, by some miracle win the play offs, and in the Championship they play like they did on Saturday. Should be just fine then. tifosi
  • Score: -2

9:38am Tue 4 Feb 14

bearwoodred says...

The guys got a bit of belief and ambition and as usual everyone is on here knocking him or Cooper etc.. The play-offs are not out of the question at all. Reality is just a matter of opinion. If he had said the opposite you'd all be on here saying he lacked ambition.

I for one what to support a team that has belief!!

Yasser is also right about the new signings can only increase the fight for a place.
The guys got a bit of belief and ambition and as usual everyone is on here knocking him or Cooper etc.. The play-offs are not out of the question at all. Reality is just a matter of opinion. If he had said the opposite you'd all be on here saying he lacked ambition. I for one what to support a team that has belief!! Yasser is also right about the new signings can only increase the fight for a place. bearwoodred
  • Score: 21

9:49am Tue 4 Feb 14

London Red says...

I have really lost track at what planet most posters on here come from!
.
The vast majority were saying how we were relegation fodder and didn't have a cat in hells chance of staying up
.
Yet we are 8th - only 5 points of the PO's and some 14 points clear of relegation! As pointed out and probably only 9 away from safety!
.
Can you really see the teams at the bottom suddenly picking up 25 points over the remainer of the season when they havent managed that so far?
.
I know the bookies don't as we are 100/1 to go down!
.
We also have people saying its a year of transition - yet completely critise the make up of a squad - its like they don't understand the meaning of transisiton! It means moving from one place to another - or work in progress!
.
While we have a large number of legacy player on ridiculous wages - we are never going to be able to get the squad perfectly balanced - Williams, Navarro, Benson and Cox leave in the summer freeing up some £11-12k a week or £600k a season!
.
That is a massive amount of wasted money - over a 5th of our budget on just 4 players who have no future at the club! (rightly so too for differing reasons)
.
So yes we had to go for untried players who show signs of potential rather than ready made season pros! but look where that got us last time - see the 4 above and add in Roberts and Miller et al on top!
.
Also lets not forget all the untried flops PdC went through which costs us a massive fortune - at least 90%+ of our current ones have not been flops!
.
Branco V Comazzi? Kasim V Risser?
.
Yes this appraoch leads to inconsistency and us bouncing along - but is that still better than most thought?
.
Didn't most expect us to be say Bristol? - Who have spent what over a million in transfer fees and who knows what in wages!
.
As Power said judge him in 5 years not 5 minutes!
.
All I see is that come the summer we will be breaking even (Power confirmed this), under no pressure to sell any key player Power confirmed this to) and IMO have a decent young squad in a much better shape than last summer to build upon
.
Rome wasn't built in a day and either is promotion - it takes time and you just have to look at teams like Walsall and Orient to see what can be achieved - step by step
.
Also didn't a lot of people slate the squad last year and say how poorly it was put together and how many holes it had in it - thus the high number of loanees to plug them?????
I have really lost track at what planet most posters on here come from! . The vast majority were saying how we were relegation fodder and didn't have a cat in hells chance of staying up . Yet we are 8th - only 5 points of the PO's and some 14 points clear of relegation! As pointed out and probably only 9 away from safety! . Can you really see the teams at the bottom suddenly picking up 25 points over the remainer of the season when they havent managed that so far? . I know the bookies don't as we are 100/1 to go down! . We also have people saying its a year of transition - yet completely critise the make up of a squad - its like they don't understand the meaning of transisiton! It means moving from one place to another - or work in progress! . While we have a large number of legacy player on ridiculous wages - we are never going to be able to get the squad perfectly balanced - Williams, Navarro, Benson and Cox leave in the summer freeing up some £11-12k a week or £600k a season! . That is a massive amount of wasted money - over a 5th of our budget on just 4 players who have no future at the club! (rightly so too for differing reasons) . So yes we had to go for untried players who show signs of potential rather than ready made season pros! but look where that got us last time - see the 4 above and add in Roberts and Miller et al on top! . Also lets not forget all the untried flops PdC went through which costs us a massive fortune - at least 90%+ of our current ones have not been flops! . Branco V Comazzi? Kasim V Risser? . Yes this appraoch leads to inconsistency and us bouncing along - but is that still better than most thought? . Didn't most expect us to be say Bristol? - Who have spent what over a million in transfer fees and who knows what in wages! . As Power said judge him in 5 years not 5 minutes! . All I see is that come the summer we will be breaking even (Power confirmed this), under no pressure to sell any key player Power confirmed this to) and IMO have a decent young squad in a much better shape than last summer to build upon . Rome wasn't built in a day and either is promotion - it takes time and you just have to look at teams like Walsall and Orient to see what can be achieved - step by step . Also didn't a lot of people slate the squad last year and say how poorly it was put together and how many holes it had in it - thus the high number of loanees to plug them????? London Red
  • Score: 80

10:11am Tue 4 Feb 14

Leedsexile says...

London Red wrote:
I have really lost track at what planet most posters on here come from! . The vast majority were saying how we were relegation fodder and didn't have a cat in hells chance of staying up . Yet we are 8th - only 5 points of the PO's and some 14 points clear of relegation! As pointed out and probably only 9 away from safety! . Can you really see the teams at the bottom suddenly picking up 25 points over the remainer of the season when they havent managed that so far? . I know the bookies don't as we are 100/1 to go down! . We also have people saying its a year of transition - yet completely critise the make up of a squad - its like they don't understand the meaning of transisiton! It means moving from one place to another - or work in progress! . While we have a large number of legacy player on ridiculous wages - we are never going to be able to get the squad perfectly balanced - Williams, Navarro, Benson and Cox leave in the summer freeing up some £11-12k a week or £600k a season! . That is a massive amount of wasted money - over a 5th of our budget on just 4 players who have no future at the club! (rightly so too for differing reasons) . So yes we had to go for untried players who show signs of potential rather than ready made season pros! but look where that got us last time - see the 4 above and add in Roberts and Miller et al on top! . Also lets not forget all the untried flops PdC went through which costs us a massive fortune - at least 90%+ of our current ones have not been flops! . Branco V Comazzi? Kasim V Risser? . Yes this appraoch leads to inconsistency and us bouncing along - but is that still better than most thought? . Didn't most expect us to be say Bristol? - Who have spent what over a million in transfer fees and who knows what in wages! . As Power said judge him in 5 years not 5 minutes! . All I see is that come the summer we will be breaking even (Power confirmed this), under no pressure to sell any key player Power confirmed this to) and IMO have a decent young squad in a much better shape than last summer to build upon . Rome wasn't built in a day and either is promotion - it takes time and you just have to look at teams like Walsall and Orient to see what can be achieved - step by step . Also didn't a lot of people slate the squad last year and say how poorly it was put together and how many holes it had in it - thus the high number of loanees to plug them?????
Well done London Red, sums up my feelings very nicely
[quote][p][bold]London Red[/bold] wrote: I have really lost track at what planet most posters on here come from! . The vast majority were saying how we were relegation fodder and didn't have a cat in hells chance of staying up . Yet we are 8th - only 5 points of the PO's and some 14 points clear of relegation! As pointed out and probably only 9 away from safety! . Can you really see the teams at the bottom suddenly picking up 25 points over the remainer of the season when they havent managed that so far? . I know the bookies don't as we are 100/1 to go down! . We also have people saying its a year of transition - yet completely critise the make up of a squad - its like they don't understand the meaning of transisiton! It means moving from one place to another - or work in progress! . While we have a large number of legacy player on ridiculous wages - we are never going to be able to get the squad perfectly balanced - Williams, Navarro, Benson and Cox leave in the summer freeing up some £11-12k a week or £600k a season! . That is a massive amount of wasted money - over a 5th of our budget on just 4 players who have no future at the club! (rightly so too for differing reasons) . So yes we had to go for untried players who show signs of potential rather than ready made season pros! but look where that got us last time - see the 4 above and add in Roberts and Miller et al on top! . Also lets not forget all the untried flops PdC went through which costs us a massive fortune - at least 90%+ of our current ones have not been flops! . Branco V Comazzi? Kasim V Risser? . Yes this appraoch leads to inconsistency and us bouncing along - but is that still better than most thought? . Didn't most expect us to be say Bristol? - Who have spent what over a million in transfer fees and who knows what in wages! . As Power said judge him in 5 years not 5 minutes! . All I see is that come the summer we will be breaking even (Power confirmed this), under no pressure to sell any key player Power confirmed this to) and IMO have a decent young squad in a much better shape than last summer to build upon . Rome wasn't built in a day and either is promotion - it takes time and you just have to look at teams like Walsall and Orient to see what can be achieved - step by step . Also didn't a lot of people slate the squad last year and say how poorly it was put together and how many holes it had in it - thus the high number of loanees to plug them?????[/p][/quote]Well done London Red, sums up my feelings very nicely Leedsexile
  • Score: 26

10:22am Tue 4 Feb 14

bhred says...

London Red wrote:
I have really lost track at what planet most posters on here come from!
.
The vast majority were saying how we were relegation fodder and didn't have a cat in hells chance of staying up
.
Yet we are 8th - only 5 points of the PO's and some 14 points clear of relegation! As pointed out and probably only 9 away from safety!
.
Can you really see the teams at the bottom suddenly picking up 25 points over the remainer of the season when they havent managed that so far?
.
I know the bookies don't as we are 100/1 to go down!
.
We also have people saying its a year of transition - yet completely critise the make up of a squad - its like they don't understand the meaning of transisiton! It means moving from one place to another - or work in progress!
.
While we have a large number of legacy player on ridiculous wages - we are never going to be able to get the squad perfectly balanced - Williams, Navarro, Benson and Cox leave in the summer freeing up some £11-12k a week or £600k a season!
.
That is a massive amount of wasted money - over a 5th of our budget on just 4 players who have no future at the club! (rightly so too for differing reasons)
.
So yes we had to go for untried players who show signs of potential rather than ready made season pros! but look where that got us last time - see the 4 above and add in Roberts and Miller et al on top!
.
Also lets not forget all the untried flops PdC went through which costs us a massive fortune - at least 90%+ of our current ones have not been flops!
.
Branco V Comazzi? Kasim V Risser?
.
Yes this appraoch leads to inconsistency and us bouncing along - but is that still better than most thought?
.
Didn't most expect us to be say Bristol? - Who have spent what over a million in transfer fees and who knows what in wages!
.
As Power said judge him in 5 years not 5 minutes!
.
All I see is that come the summer we will be breaking even (Power confirmed this), under no pressure to sell any key player Power confirmed this to) and IMO have a decent young squad in a much better shape than last summer to build upon
.
Rome wasn't built in a day and either is promotion - it takes time and you just have to look at teams like Walsall and Orient to see what can be achieved - step by step
.
Also didn't a lot of people slate the squad last year and say how poorly it was put together and how many holes it had in it - thus the high number of loanees to plug them?????
Great post LR
[quote][p][bold]London Red[/bold] wrote: I have really lost track at what planet most posters on here come from! . The vast majority were saying how we were relegation fodder and didn't have a cat in hells chance of staying up . Yet we are 8th - only 5 points of the PO's and some 14 points clear of relegation! As pointed out and probably only 9 away from safety! . Can you really see the teams at the bottom suddenly picking up 25 points over the remainer of the season when they havent managed that so far? . I know the bookies don't as we are 100/1 to go down! . We also have people saying its a year of transition - yet completely critise the make up of a squad - its like they don't understand the meaning of transisiton! It means moving from one place to another - or work in progress! . While we have a large number of legacy player on ridiculous wages - we are never going to be able to get the squad perfectly balanced - Williams, Navarro, Benson and Cox leave in the summer freeing up some £11-12k a week or £600k a season! . That is a massive amount of wasted money - over a 5th of our budget on just 4 players who have no future at the club! (rightly so too for differing reasons) . So yes we had to go for untried players who show signs of potential rather than ready made season pros! but look where that got us last time - see the 4 above and add in Roberts and Miller et al on top! . Also lets not forget all the untried flops PdC went through which costs us a massive fortune - at least 90%+ of our current ones have not been flops! . Branco V Comazzi? Kasim V Risser? . Yes this appraoch leads to inconsistency and us bouncing along - but is that still better than most thought? . Didn't most expect us to be say Bristol? - Who have spent what over a million in transfer fees and who knows what in wages! . As Power said judge him in 5 years not 5 minutes! . All I see is that come the summer we will be breaking even (Power confirmed this), under no pressure to sell any key player Power confirmed this to) and IMO have a decent young squad in a much better shape than last summer to build upon . Rome wasn't built in a day and either is promotion - it takes time and you just have to look at teams like Walsall and Orient to see what can be achieved - step by step . Also didn't a lot of people slate the squad last year and say how poorly it was put together and how many holes it had in it - thus the high number of loanees to plug them?????[/p][/quote]Great post LR bhred
  • Score: 16

10:24am Tue 4 Feb 14

Glosteroldboy says...

London Red wrote:
I have really lost track at what planet most posters on here come from!
.
The vast majority were saying how we were relegation fodder and didn't have a cat in hells chance of staying up
.
Yet we are 8th - only 5 points of the PO's and some 14 points clear of relegation! As pointed out and probably only 9 away from safety!
.
Can you really see the teams at the bottom suddenly picking up 25 points over the remainer of the season when they havent managed that so far?
.
I know the bookies don't as we are 100/1 to go down!
.
We also have people saying its a year of transition - yet completely critise the make up of a squad - its like they don't understand the meaning of transisiton! It means moving from one place to another - or work in progress!
.
While we have a large number of legacy player on ridiculous wages - we are never going to be able to get the squad perfectly balanced - Williams, Navarro, Benson and Cox leave in the summer freeing up some £11-12k a week or £600k a season!
.
That is a massive amount of wasted money - over a 5th of our budget on just 4 players who have no future at the club! (rightly so too for differing reasons)
.
So yes we had to go for untried players who show signs of potential rather than ready made season pros! but look where that got us last time - see the 4 above and add in Roberts and Miller et al on top!
.
Also lets not forget all the untried flops PdC went through which costs us a massive fortune - at least 90%+ of our current ones have not been flops!
.
Branco V Comazzi? Kasim V Risser?
.
Yes this appraoch leads to inconsistency and us bouncing along - but is that still better than most thought?
.
Didn't most expect us to be say Bristol? - Who have spent what over a million in transfer fees and who knows what in wages!
.
As Power said judge him in 5 years not 5 minutes!
.
All I see is that come the summer we will be breaking even (Power confirmed this), under no pressure to sell any key player Power confirmed this to) and IMO have a decent young squad in a much better shape than last summer to build upon
.
Rome wasn't built in a day and either is promotion - it takes time and you just have to look at teams like Walsall and Orient to see what can be achieved - step by step
.
Also didn't a lot of people slate the squad last year and say how poorly it was put together and how many holes it had in it - thus the high number of loanees to plug them?????
Hardly ever post, although I do read most comments apart from some of the rubbish that is posted by faceless keyboard warriors designed to wind up others.
So, a refreshing post, good points well made and an optimistic viewpoint which is exactly what is required.
Once a fan, always a fan regardless of where we are.

Optimism breeds confidence which in turn produces good results...
[quote][p][bold]London Red[/bold] wrote: I have really lost track at what planet most posters on here come from! . The vast majority were saying how we were relegation fodder and didn't have a cat in hells chance of staying up . Yet we are 8th - only 5 points of the PO's and some 14 points clear of relegation! As pointed out and probably only 9 away from safety! . Can you really see the teams at the bottom suddenly picking up 25 points over the remainer of the season when they havent managed that so far? . I know the bookies don't as we are 100/1 to go down! . We also have people saying its a year of transition - yet completely critise the make up of a squad - its like they don't understand the meaning of transisiton! It means moving from one place to another - or work in progress! . While we have a large number of legacy player on ridiculous wages - we are never going to be able to get the squad perfectly balanced - Williams, Navarro, Benson and Cox leave in the summer freeing up some £11-12k a week or £600k a season! . That is a massive amount of wasted money - over a 5th of our budget on just 4 players who have no future at the club! (rightly so too for differing reasons) . So yes we had to go for untried players who show signs of potential rather than ready made season pros! but look where that got us last time - see the 4 above and add in Roberts and Miller et al on top! . Also lets not forget all the untried flops PdC went through which costs us a massive fortune - at least 90%+ of our current ones have not been flops! . Branco V Comazzi? Kasim V Risser? . Yes this appraoch leads to inconsistency and us bouncing along - but is that still better than most thought? . Didn't most expect us to be say Bristol? - Who have spent what over a million in transfer fees and who knows what in wages! . As Power said judge him in 5 years not 5 minutes! . All I see is that come the summer we will be breaking even (Power confirmed this), under no pressure to sell any key player Power confirmed this to) and IMO have a decent young squad in a much better shape than last summer to build upon . Rome wasn't built in a day and either is promotion - it takes time and you just have to look at teams like Walsall and Orient to see what can be achieved - step by step . Also didn't a lot of people slate the squad last year and say how poorly it was put together and how many holes it had in it - thus the high number of loanees to plug them?????[/p][/quote]Hardly ever post, although I do read most comments apart from some of the rubbish that is posted by faceless keyboard warriors designed to wind up others. So, a refreshing post, good points well made and an optimistic viewpoint which is exactly what is required. Once a fan, always a fan regardless of where we are. Optimism breeds confidence which in turn produces good results... Glosteroldboy
  • Score: 24

10:27am Tue 4 Feb 14

old town robin says...

whats that wrote:
This is a strange article really following Saturday's shocker. In Kasim's defence though, I expect the Adver had this interview with him prior to Saturday's game. Unfortunately for him, his comments do sound a bit stupid now as clearly the additional competition for places didnt lift anyone's game on Saturday!
Think the Adver are really scraping the barrel to find something to write about and as you say this was probably a remark made by Kasim on deadline day.
[quote][p][bold]whats that[/bold] wrote: This is a strange article really following Saturday's shocker. In Kasim's defence though, I expect the Adver had this interview with him prior to Saturday's game. Unfortunately for him, his comments do sound a bit stupid now as clearly the additional competition for places didnt lift anyone's game on Saturday![/p][/quote]Think the Adver are really scraping the barrel to find something to write about and as you say this was probably a remark made by Kasim on deadline day. old town robin
  • Score: -1

10:27am Tue 4 Feb 14

old town robin says...

whats that wrote:
This is a strange article really following Saturday's shocker. In Kasim's defence though, I expect the Adver had this interview with him prior to Saturday's game. Unfortunately for him, his comments do sound a bit stupid now as clearly the additional competition for places didnt lift anyone's game on Saturday!
Think the Adver are really scraping the barrel to find something to write about and as you say this was probably a remark made by Kasim on deadline day.
[quote][p][bold]whats that[/bold] wrote: This is a strange article really following Saturday's shocker. In Kasim's defence though, I expect the Adver had this interview with him prior to Saturday's game. Unfortunately for him, his comments do sound a bit stupid now as clearly the additional competition for places didnt lift anyone's game on Saturday![/p][/quote]Think the Adver are really scraping the barrel to find something to write about and as you say this was probably a remark made by Kasim on deadline day. old town robin
  • Score: -1

10:27am Tue 4 Feb 14

MarksDad says...

LR please don't talk sense it confuses the poor little mindless ones!
LR please don't talk sense it confuses the poor little mindless ones! MarksDad
  • Score: 10

11:15am Tue 4 Feb 14

Is that you Lovesey says...

Sorry but whilst I agree with the sentiment completely of LR's post, we have a playing budget of 2.5 million, we didn't therefore need to go for a bunch of untried kids, look at Walsall with a reported budget of 1.2milliom, less than half of our, they play proper attacking football.

Our football this season has in the main been boring, sideways and backwards with a very slow build up play, Ranger with his quality should be on 15 goals, but he always has his back to goal and doesn't have loads of crosses whipped in...

The game on Saturday wasn't a one off, we have been poor by and large for some time, but Saturday was like watching the Malpass year all over again, yes we will continue to support the club, yes we will continue to buy season tickets, but a lot of people will stop going, I am not dissapointed with the league position or overall the team that we have assembled, but I am finding it boring going to watch town home and away, in fact I haven't bothered to go to the last two away games.......
Sorry but whilst I agree with the sentiment completely of LR's post, we have a playing budget of 2.5 million, we didn't therefore need to go for a bunch of untried kids, look at Walsall with a reported budget of 1.2milliom, less than half of our, they play proper attacking football. Our football this season has in the main been boring, sideways and backwards with a very slow build up play, Ranger with his quality should be on 15 goals, but he always has his back to goal and doesn't have loads of crosses whipped in... The game on Saturday wasn't a one off, we have been poor by and large for some time, but Saturday was like watching the Malpass year all over again, yes we will continue to support the club, yes we will continue to buy season tickets, but a lot of people will stop going, I am not dissapointed with the league position or overall the team that we have assembled, but I am finding it boring going to watch town home and away, in fact I haven't bothered to go to the last two away games....... Is that you Lovesey
  • Score: 7

11:39am Tue 4 Feb 14

harley red says...

Graham8181 wrote:
Are you taking the p*ss? You're almost as daluded as cooper. Forget about the playoffs. The article I want to see on this website is cooper is gone and we are in the hunt for a new manager. You only have to watch an interview with him to see how un-motivating he is. He has no passion at all. Let's not even talk about his tacticle awareness or prioritising signings that have been Needed for the team all season
Totally agree cooper is pathetic , been saying it for ages .
[quote][p][bold]Graham8181[/bold] wrote: Are you taking the p*ss? You're almost as daluded as cooper. Forget about the playoffs. The article I want to see on this website is cooper is gone and we are in the hunt for a new manager. You only have to watch an interview with him to see how un-motivating he is. He has no passion at all. Let's not even talk about his tacticle awareness or prioritising signings that have been Needed for the team all season[/p][/quote]Totally agree cooper is pathetic , been saying it for ages . harley red
  • Score: -22

11:42am Tue 4 Feb 14

Oi Den! says...

Is that you Lovesey wrote:
Sorry but whilst I agree with the sentiment completely of LR's post, we have a playing budget of 2.5 million, we didn't therefore need to go for a bunch of untried kids, look at Walsall with a reported budget of 1.2milliom, less than half of our, they play proper attacking football.

Our football this season has in the main been boring, sideways and backwards with a very slow build up play, Ranger with his quality should be on 15 goals, but he always has his back to goal and doesn't have loads of crosses whipped in...

The game on Saturday wasn't a one off, we have been poor by and large for some time, but Saturday was like watching the Malpass year all over again, yes we will continue to support the club, yes we will continue to buy season tickets, but a lot of people will stop going, I am not dissapointed with the league position or overall the team that we have assembled, but I am finding it boring going to watch town home and away, in fact I haven't bothered to go to the last two away games.......
Exactly the point I was trying to make - and clearly failed spectacularly. Ah well, at least there's two of us.
[quote][p][bold]Is that you Lovesey[/bold] wrote: Sorry but whilst I agree with the sentiment completely of LR's post, we have a playing budget of 2.5 million, we didn't therefore need to go for a bunch of untried kids, look at Walsall with a reported budget of 1.2milliom, less than half of our, they play proper attacking football. Our football this season has in the main been boring, sideways and backwards with a very slow build up play, Ranger with his quality should be on 15 goals, but he always has his back to goal and doesn't have loads of crosses whipped in... The game on Saturday wasn't a one off, we have been poor by and large for some time, but Saturday was like watching the Malpass year all over again, yes we will continue to support the club, yes we will continue to buy season tickets, but a lot of people will stop going, I am not dissapointed with the league position or overall the team that we have assembled, but I am finding it boring going to watch town home and away, in fact I haven't bothered to go to the last two away games.......[/p][/quote]Exactly the point I was trying to make - and clearly failed spectacularly. Ah well, at least there's two of us. Oi Den!
  • Score: 1

11:46am Tue 4 Feb 14

Wilesy says...

LR good post but I disagree with some of it.

I think we should have recruited differently with the winter months in mind. It's been said many times but we didn't replace Flint or Macca with an equivalent type of players and it shows.

That's not down to money, as Harley can't be cheap, but we didn't need Harley we needed a Macca type of player. Returning Troy may fill Flint's shoes but Hall hasn't. A slightly more mobile version of Risser would be very welcome in our squad right now and I would favour that player over Kasim. That's not saying Kasim isn't a technically good player, but he's not a strong player who is good in the air which Risser was and we are missing.

Yes Orient have built over time but Walsall were in a similar position as they rebuilt in the summer with top scorer Trigg, Paterson and Brandy leaving and a few good loans and new players coming in so I'm surprised they've done as well as they have. On the whole those teams have recruited players who are 25 / 26, whereas we have gone for 20 / 21.

Bookmakers got it all wrong with Sheff Utd and City doing as bad as they have done. Who could have predicted how we would do based on budget alone? It's how the budget is spent that is important.

Also Cooper said on Friday phone in that Willo has another year on his contract so may not be off quite so soon as the others.
LR good post but I disagree with some of it. I think we should have recruited differently with the winter months in mind. It's been said many times but we didn't replace Flint or Macca with an equivalent type of players and it shows. That's not down to money, as Harley can't be cheap, but we didn't need Harley we needed a Macca type of player. Returning Troy may fill Flint's shoes but Hall hasn't. A slightly more mobile version of Risser would be very welcome in our squad right now and I would favour that player over Kasim. That's not saying Kasim isn't a technically good player, but he's not a strong player who is good in the air which Risser was and we are missing. Yes Orient have built over time but Walsall were in a similar position as they rebuilt in the summer with top scorer Trigg, Paterson and Brandy leaving and a few good loans and new players coming in so I'm surprised they've done as well as they have. On the whole those teams have recruited players who are 25 / 26, whereas we have gone for 20 / 21. Bookmakers got it all wrong with Sheff Utd and City doing as bad as they have done. Who could have predicted how we would do based on budget alone? It's how the budget is spent that is important. Also Cooper said on Friday phone in that Willo has another year on his contract so may not be off quite so soon as the others. Wilesy
  • Score: 7

11:55am Tue 4 Feb 14

Wilesy says...

Oi Den! wrote:
Is that you Lovesey wrote:
Sorry but whilst I agree with the sentiment completely of LR's post, we have a playing budget of 2.5 million, we didn't therefore need to go for a bunch of untried kids, look at Walsall with a reported budget of 1.2milliom, less than half of our, they play proper attacking football.

Our football this season has in the main been boring, sideways and backwards with a very slow build up play, Ranger with his quality should be on 15 goals, but he always has his back to goal and doesn't have loads of crosses whipped in...

The game on Saturday wasn't a one off, we have been poor by and large for some time, but Saturday was like watching the Malpass year all over again, yes we will continue to support the club, yes we will continue to buy season tickets, but a lot of people will stop going, I am not dissapointed with the league position or overall the team that we have assembled, but I am finding it boring going to watch town home and away, in fact I haven't bothered to go to the last two away games.......
Exactly the point I was trying to make - and clearly failed spectacularly. Ah well, at least there's two of us.
Quite a few more judging by the declining attendances home and away.....

Boring is probably a fair word to describe Coopers tactics - slow build up, lack of urgency, just a general lethargy about the play which then comes across as laziness from the players when in fact they may just be following orders. Play a 4-6-0 or a 4-2-4, it makes no odds if the outfield play is in first gear with continual sideways or backwards passing and no real width.
[quote][p][bold]Oi Den![/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Is that you Lovesey[/bold] wrote: Sorry but whilst I agree with the sentiment completely of LR's post, we have a playing budget of 2.5 million, we didn't therefore need to go for a bunch of untried kids, look at Walsall with a reported budget of 1.2milliom, less than half of our, they play proper attacking football. Our football this season has in the main been boring, sideways and backwards with a very slow build up play, Ranger with his quality should be on 15 goals, but he always has his back to goal and doesn't have loads of crosses whipped in... The game on Saturday wasn't a one off, we have been poor by and large for some time, but Saturday was like watching the Malpass year all over again, yes we will continue to support the club, yes we will continue to buy season tickets, but a lot of people will stop going, I am not dissapointed with the league position or overall the team that we have assembled, but I am finding it boring going to watch town home and away, in fact I haven't bothered to go to the last two away games.......[/p][/quote]Exactly the point I was trying to make - and clearly failed spectacularly. Ah well, at least there's two of us.[/p][/quote]Quite a few more judging by the declining attendances home and away..... Boring is probably a fair word to describe Coopers tactics - slow build up, lack of urgency, just a general lethargy about the play which then comes across as laziness from the players when in fact they may just be following orders. Play a 4-6-0 or a 4-2-4, it makes no odds if the outfield play is in first gear with continual sideways or backwards passing and no real width. Wilesy
  • Score: 9

12:17pm Tue 4 Feb 14

Steve. Brentford says...

MarksDad wrote:
LR please don't talk sense it confuses the poor little mindless ones!
I bet Mark is really really proud of you......
[quote][p][bold]MarksDad[/bold] wrote: LR please don't talk sense it confuses the poor little mindless ones![/p][/quote]I bet Mark is really really proud of you...... Steve. Brentford
  • Score: -1

12:18pm Tue 4 Feb 14

London Red says...

Wilesy - hindsight is a wonderful thing - and I'm sure had Power seen where we are now he may have done things differently in the Summer.
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Flint for example went and we saw Hall come in plus we were expecting Troy to be fit - so 2 new CBs to replace one.
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I doubt anyone predicted Troy would have the relapse he did. Sounds like the Loan wasn't the best idea as they have said he might have not been managed correctly (i.e treated same as everyone else - rather than micro managed)
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We then had Branco and Oakley (no one predicted he would break an ankle in pre-season) to support them!
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I also doubt anyone saw the drop in Ward from last season to this coming!
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Remember the woo-haa and relief when he re-signed. But how many now are think actually had he gone and we got Matt Taylor in would we have been stronger???
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I certainly was not worried about CB's back in August when it looked as we had 5 on the books with 3 from Ward, Hall and Troy comopeting to start
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That was more than last year when we only had Ward, Flint and Devera with no others beyond that
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Granted signing Harley now seems a luxury and a waste - but had we gone in with just Mason as our attacking player there would have been massive criticism - as most on here are never happy!
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I simply see it as a learning curve - players like Luongo, Kasim, Byrne et al will all come through this season stronger and if we get the right blend next year could really really kick on - as certain players at Walsall have
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Note Walsall only lost their forwards - and have been moaned at for not scoring enough this year! (No surprise really). The rest remained the same and that is why they are strong!
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We have scored lots this year - so if we address our weakness - defensive work (midfield and defence) then surely we should kick on?
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New CB, New DM midfielder and another Winger for me is the key signings.
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Then settle others down into one position and let them develop in that - i.e. Kasim, Luongo and Byrne who have bounced about too much
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Fodders
Thompson New CB Troy Byrne
New DM Luongo/Kasim
Tijane Harley/Luongo New Winger
Ranger
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That looks pretty good to me - obviously dpending on who the New Bods are!
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Then we have Bulford, Kasim/Luongo/Harley, Barthram, Branco, L.Thompson, Barthram, A.Smith, M.Smith, Barker and Storey as competition and depth
Wilesy - hindsight is a wonderful thing - and I'm sure had Power seen where we are now he may have done things differently in the Summer. . Flint for example went and we saw Hall come in plus we were expecting Troy to be fit - so 2 new CBs to replace one. . I doubt anyone predicted Troy would have the relapse he did. Sounds like the Loan wasn't the best idea as they have said he might have not been managed correctly (i.e treated same as everyone else - rather than micro managed) . We then had Branco and Oakley (no one predicted he would break an ankle in pre-season) to support them! . I also doubt anyone saw the drop in Ward from last season to this coming! . Remember the woo-haa and relief when he re-signed. But how many now are think actually had he gone and we got Matt Taylor in would we have been stronger??? . I certainly was not worried about CB's back in August when it looked as we had 5 on the books with 3 from Ward, Hall and Troy comopeting to start . That was more than last year when we only had Ward, Flint and Devera with no others beyond that . Granted signing Harley now seems a luxury and a waste - but had we gone in with just Mason as our attacking player there would have been massive criticism - as most on here are never happy! . I simply see it as a learning curve - players like Luongo, Kasim, Byrne et al will all come through this season stronger and if we get the right blend next year could really really kick on - as certain players at Walsall have . Note Walsall only lost their forwards - and have been moaned at for not scoring enough this year! (No surprise really). The rest remained the same and that is why they are strong! . We have scored lots this year - so if we address our weakness - defensive work (midfield and defence) then surely we should kick on? . New CB, New DM midfielder and another Winger for me is the key signings. . Then settle others down into one position and let them develop in that - i.e. Kasim, Luongo and Byrne who have bounced about too much . Fodders Thompson New CB Troy Byrne New DM Luongo/Kasim Tijane Harley/Luongo New Winger Ranger . That looks pretty good to me - obviously dpending on who the New Bods are! . Then we have Bulford, Kasim/Luongo/Harley, Barthram, Branco, L.Thompson, Barthram, A.Smith, M.Smith, Barker and Storey as competition and depth London Red
  • Score: 3

12:32pm Tue 4 Feb 14

the don69 says...

Wilesy wrote:
Oi Den! wrote:
Is that you Lovesey wrote:
Sorry but whilst I agree with the sentiment completely of LR's post, we have a playing budget of 2.5 million, we didn't therefore need to go for a bunch of untried kids, look at Walsall with a reported budget of 1.2milliom, less than half of our, they play proper attacking football.

Our football this season has in the main been boring, sideways and backwards with a very slow build up play, Ranger with his quality should be on 15 goals, but he always has his back to goal and doesn't have loads of crosses whipped in...

The game on Saturday wasn't a one off, we have been poor by and large for some time, but Saturday was like watching the Malpass year all over again, yes we will continue to support the club, yes we will continue to buy season tickets, but a lot of people will stop going, I am not dissapointed with the league position or overall the team that we have assembled, but I am finding it boring going to watch town home and away, in fact I haven't bothered to go to the last two away games.......
Exactly the point I was trying to make - and clearly failed spectacularly. Ah well, at least there's two of us.
Quite a few more judging by the declining attendances home and away.....

Boring is probably a fair word to describe Coopers tactics - slow build up, lack of urgency, just a general lethargy about the play which then comes across as laziness from the players when in fact they may just be following orders. Play a 4-6-0 or a 4-2-4, it makes no odds if the outfield play is in first gear with continual sideways or backwards passing and no real width.
Spot on chaps, Pace,Power and Stamina is what's required in the lower leagues, too much crab football with slow build-up just don't cut it,we're too lightweight and lacking Pace and easy to bully especially away from home,but hopefully Lee&Coops have learnt a lot this season and must build a more powerful squad better equipped for an assault next season,our budget is still at the top end in league one,it's how it's used that really matters chaps!the jury will be out to see what Lee&Coops can bring in for the start of next season????????????
[quote][p][bold]Wilesy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Oi Den![/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Is that you Lovesey[/bold] wrote: Sorry but whilst I agree with the sentiment completely of LR's post, we have a playing budget of 2.5 million, we didn't therefore need to go for a bunch of untried kids, look at Walsall with a reported budget of 1.2milliom, less than half of our, they play proper attacking football. Our football this season has in the main been boring, sideways and backwards with a very slow build up play, Ranger with his quality should be on 15 goals, but he always has his back to goal and doesn't have loads of crosses whipped in... The game on Saturday wasn't a one off, we have been poor by and large for some time, but Saturday was like watching the Malpass year all over again, yes we will continue to support the club, yes we will continue to buy season tickets, but a lot of people will stop going, I am not dissapointed with the league position or overall the team that we have assembled, but I am finding it boring going to watch town home and away, in fact I haven't bothered to go to the last two away games.......[/p][/quote]Exactly the point I was trying to make - and clearly failed spectacularly. Ah well, at least there's two of us.[/p][/quote]Quite a few more judging by the declining attendances home and away..... Boring is probably a fair word to describe Coopers tactics - slow build up, lack of urgency, just a general lethargy about the play which then comes across as laziness from the players when in fact they may just be following orders. Play a 4-6-0 or a 4-2-4, it makes no odds if the outfield play is in first gear with continual sideways or backwards passing and no real width.[/p][/quote]Spot on chaps, Pace,Power and Stamina is what's required in the lower leagues, too much crab football with slow build-up just don't cut it,we're too lightweight and lacking Pace and easy to bully especially away from home,but hopefully Lee&Coops have learnt a lot this season and must build a more powerful squad better equipped for an assault next season,our budget is still at the top end in league one,it's how it's used that really matters chaps!the jury will be out to see what Lee&Coops can bring in for the start of next season???????????? the don69
  • Score: -1

1:20pm Tue 4 Feb 14

Rebel_phish says...

Off Topic.

Until Sam posts a dedicated page, the questions for tomorrows Predictions League can be found on the Oldham thread

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Off Topic. Until Sam posts a dedicated page, the questions for tomorrows Predictions League can be found on the Oldham thread http://www.thisisswi ndontownfc.co.uk/fix tures_and_results/ne ws_articles/10977949 .PREDICTIONS_LEAGUE_ _Swindon_Town_v_Oldh am_Athletic . Rebel_phish
  • Score: -1

1:35pm Tue 4 Feb 14

port de soller says...

Yes funny post by Kassimm,STFC relegation no way will I hope survive,however the longer Coopr is in charge we will I fear finish near the bottom of the table but safe(JUST)
as for the 2.5 million budget a decent manager I think would have perhaps done better than Cooper.
However for us Fans is easy to say.I just hope Mr Power realises just maybe appointing cooper may have been a mistake????
Like us all we winge /moan etc but STFC are our club and I guess frystration plays a big part
Yes funny post by Kassimm,STFC relegation no way will I hope survive,however the longer Coopr is in charge we will I fear finish near the bottom of the table but safe(JUST) as for the 2.5 million budget a decent manager I think would have perhaps done better than Cooper. However for us Fans is easy to say.I just hope Mr Power realises just maybe appointing cooper may have been a mistake???? Like us all we winge /moan etc but STFC are our club and I guess frystration plays a big part port de soller
  • Score: -4

1:40pm Tue 4 Feb 14

castle9 says...

harley red wrote:
Graham8181 wrote:
Are you taking the p*ss? You're almost as daluded as cooper. Forget about the playoffs. The article I want to see on this website is cooper is gone and we are in the hunt for a new manager. You only have to watch an interview with him to see how un-motivating he is. He has no passion at all. Let's not even talk about his tacticle awareness or prioritising signings that have been Needed for the team all season
Totally agree cooper is pathetic , been saying it for ages .
Yes and boring the pants off everyone on this site with your continuous negative one line mutterings without any presentation of an alternative suggestion or solution. About time you and your mate robinonfire did one.
[quote][p][bold]harley red[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Graham8181[/bold] wrote: Are you taking the p*ss? You're almost as daluded as cooper. Forget about the playoffs. The article I want to see on this website is cooper is gone and we are in the hunt for a new manager. You only have to watch an interview with him to see how un-motivating he is. He has no passion at all. Let's not even talk about his tacticle awareness or prioritising signings that have been Needed for the team all season[/p][/quote]Totally agree cooper is pathetic , been saying it for ages .[/p][/quote]Yes and boring the pants off everyone on this site with your continuous negative one line mutterings without any presentation of an alternative suggestion or solution. About time you and your mate robinonfire did one. castle9
  • Score: 3

1:54pm Tue 4 Feb 14

Graham8181 says...

castle9 wrote:
harley red wrote:
Graham8181 wrote:
Are you taking the p*ss? You're almost as daluded as cooper. Forget about the playoffs. The article I want to see on this website is cooper is gone and we are in the hunt for a new manager. You only have to watch an interview with him to see how un-motivating he is. He has no passion at all. Let's not even talk about his tacticle awareness or prioritising signings that have been Needed for the team all season
Totally agree cooper is pathetic , been saying it for ages .
Yes and boring the pants off everyone on this site with your continuous negative one line mutterings without any presentation of an alternative suggestion or solution. About time you and your mate robinonfire did one.
look at the players we have and what potential cooper has got out of them and you'll see Harley red makes perfect sense. Yes at the start of the season I thought for the worse but since watching the team expand and get "better" I now feel we have a team that should be challenging for promotion with the right manager. he has been clueless in his tactics and clueless in his defensive options. another manager would have these players producing much better results
[quote][p][bold]castle9[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]harley red[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Graham8181[/bold] wrote: Are you taking the p*ss? You're almost as daluded as cooper. Forget about the playoffs. The article I want to see on this website is cooper is gone and we are in the hunt for a new manager. You only have to watch an interview with him to see how un-motivating he is. He has no passion at all. Let's not even talk about his tacticle awareness or prioritising signings that have been Needed for the team all season[/p][/quote]Totally agree cooper is pathetic , been saying it for ages .[/p][/quote]Yes and boring the pants off everyone on this site with your continuous negative one line mutterings without any presentation of an alternative suggestion or solution. About time you and your mate robinonfire did one.[/p][/quote]look at the players we have and what potential cooper has got out of them and you'll see Harley red makes perfect sense. Yes at the start of the season I thought for the worse but since watching the team expand and get "better" I now feel we have a team that should be challenging for promotion with the right manager. he has been clueless in his tactics and clueless in his defensive options. another manager would have these players producing much better results Graham8181
  • Score: -4

2:01pm Tue 4 Feb 14

harley red says...

London Red wrote:
I have really lost track at what planet most posters on here come from!
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The vast majority were saying how we were relegation fodder and didn't have a cat in hells chance of staying up
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Yet we are 8th - only 5 points of the PO's and some 14 points clear of relegation! As pointed out and probably only 9 away from safety!
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Can you really see the teams at the bottom suddenly picking up 25 points over the remainer of the season when they havent managed that so far?
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I know the bookies don't as we are 100/1 to go down!
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We also have people saying its a year of transition - yet completely critise the make up of a squad - its like they don't understand the meaning of transisiton! It means moving from one place to another - or work in progress!
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While we have a large number of legacy player on ridiculous wages - we are never going to be able to get the squad perfectly balanced - Williams, Navarro, Benson and Cox leave in the summer freeing up some £11-12k a week or £600k a season!
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That is a massive amount of wasted money - over a 5th of our budget on just 4 players who have no future at the club! (rightly so too for differing reasons)
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So yes we had to go for untried players who show signs of potential rather than ready made season pros! but look where that got us last time - see the 4 above and add in Roberts and Miller et al on top!
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Also lets not forget all the untried flops PdC went through which costs us a massive fortune - at least 90%+ of our current ones have not been flops!
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Branco V Comazzi? Kasim V Risser?
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Yes this appraoch leads to inconsistency and us bouncing along - but is that still better than most thought?
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Didn't most expect us to be say Bristol? - Who have spent what over a million in transfer fees and who knows what in wages!
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As Power said judge him in 5 years not 5 minutes!
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All I see is that come the summer we will be breaking even (Power confirmed this), under no pressure to sell any key player Power confirmed this to) and IMO have a decent young squad in a much better shape than last summer to build upon
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Rome wasn't built in a day and either is promotion - it takes time and you just have to look at teams like Walsall and Orient to see what can be achieved - step by step
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Also didn't a lot of people slate the squad last year and say how poorly it was put together and how many holes it had in it - thus the high number of loanees to plug them?????
Please god don't let power be here 5 years that's like a prison sentence playing crap football like now , please not that long
[quote][p][bold]London Red[/bold] wrote: I have really lost track at what planet most posters on here come from! . The vast majority were saying how we were relegation fodder and didn't have a cat in hells chance of staying up . Yet we are 8th - only 5 points of the PO's and some 14 points clear of relegation! As pointed out and probably only 9 away from safety! . Can you really see the teams at the bottom suddenly picking up 25 points over the remainer of the season when they havent managed that so far? . I know the bookies don't as we are 100/1 to go down! . We also have people saying its a year of transition - yet completely critise the make up of a squad - its like they don't understand the meaning of transisiton! It means moving from one place to another - or work in progress! . While we have a large number of legacy player on ridiculous wages - we are never going to be able to get the squad perfectly balanced - Williams, Navarro, Benson and Cox leave in the summer freeing up some £11-12k a week or £600k a season! . That is a massive amount of wasted money - over a 5th of our budget on just 4 players who have no future at the club! (rightly so too for differing reasons) . So yes we had to go for untried players who show signs of potential rather than ready made season pros! but look where that got us last time - see the 4 above and add in Roberts and Miller et al on top! . Also lets not forget all the untried flops PdC went through which costs us a massive fortune - at least 90%+ of our current ones have not been flops! . Branco V Comazzi? Kasim V Risser? . Yes this appraoch leads to inconsistency and us bouncing along - but is that still better than most thought? . Didn't most expect us to be say Bristol? - Who have spent what over a million in transfer fees and who knows what in wages! . As Power said judge him in 5 years not 5 minutes! . All I see is that come the summer we will be breaking even (Power confirmed this), under no pressure to sell any key player Power confirmed this to) and IMO have a decent young squad in a much better shape than last summer to build upon . Rome wasn't built in a day and either is promotion - it takes time and you just have to look at teams like Walsall and Orient to see what can be achieved - step by step . Also didn't a lot of people slate the squad last year and say how poorly it was put together and how many holes it had in it - thus the high number of loanees to plug them?????[/p][/quote]Please god don't let power be here 5 years that's like a prison sentence playing crap football like now , please not that long harley red
  • Score: -10

2:17pm Tue 4 Feb 14

harley red says...

castle9 wrote:
harley red wrote:
Graham8181 wrote:
Are you taking the p*ss? You're almost as daluded as cooper. Forget about the playoffs. The article I want to see on this website is cooper is gone and we are in the hunt for a new manager. You only have to watch an interview with him to see how un-motivating he is. He has no passion at all. Let's not even talk about his tacticle awareness or prioritising signings that have been Needed for the team all season
Totally agree cooper is pathetic , been saying it for ages .
Yes and boring the pants off everyone on this site with your continuous negative one line mutterings without any presentation of an alternative suggestion or solution. About time you and your mate robinonfire did one.
If you think that the football we play is good and that the manager is good ,you must have rose tinted glasses . We lack direction , we lack ability and the football is plain boring . Another thing I have an opinion as you do , we may not agree but that's football . So why don't you do one ?
[quote][p][bold]castle9[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]harley red[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Graham8181[/bold] wrote: Are you taking the p*ss? You're almost as daluded as cooper. Forget about the playoffs. The article I want to see on this website is cooper is gone and we are in the hunt for a new manager. You only have to watch an interview with him to see how un-motivating he is. He has no passion at all. Let's not even talk about his tacticle awareness or prioritising signings that have been Needed for the team all season[/p][/quote]Totally agree cooper is pathetic , been saying it for ages .[/p][/quote]Yes and boring the pants off everyone on this site with your continuous negative one line mutterings without any presentation of an alternative suggestion or solution. About time you and your mate robinonfire did one.[/p][/quote]If you think that the football we play is good and that the manager is good ,you must have rose tinted glasses . We lack direction , we lack ability and the football is plain boring . Another thing I have an opinion as you do , we may not agree but that's football . So why don't you do one ? harley red
  • Score: -5

2:24pm Tue 4 Feb 14

smirg kcab says...

It's now Tuesday and still no apology from the club regarding the absolute shambles on Saturday.
It's now Tuesday and still no apology from the club regarding the absolute shambles on Saturday. smirg kcab
  • Score: 0

2:25pm Tue 4 Feb 14

Wilesy says...

London Red wrote:
Wilesy - hindsight is a wonderful thing - and I'm sure had Power seen where we are now he may have done things differently in the Summer.
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Flint for example went and we saw Hall come in plus we were expecting Troy to be fit - so 2 new CBs to replace one.
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I doubt anyone predicted Troy would have the relapse he did. Sounds like the Loan wasn't the best idea as they have said he might have not been managed correctly (i.e treated same as everyone else - rather than micro managed)
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We then had Branco and Oakley (no one predicted he would break an ankle in pre-season) to support them!
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I also doubt anyone saw the drop in Ward from last season to this coming!
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Remember the woo-haa and relief when he re-signed. But how many now are think actually had he gone and we got Matt Taylor in would we have been stronger???
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I certainly was not worried about CB's back in August when it looked as we had 5 on the books with 3 from Ward, Hall and Troy comopeting to start
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That was more than last year when we only had Ward, Flint and Devera with no others beyond that
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Granted signing Harley now seems a luxury and a waste - but had we gone in with just Mason as our attacking player there would have been massive criticism - as most on here are never happy!
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I simply see it as a learning curve - players like Luongo, Kasim, Byrne et al will all come through this season stronger and if we get the right blend next year could really really kick on - as certain players at Walsall have
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Note Walsall only lost their forwards - and have been moaned at for not scoring enough this year! (No surprise really). The rest remained the same and that is why they are strong!
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We have scored lots this year - so if we address our weakness - defensive work (midfield and defence) then surely we should kick on?
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New CB, New DM midfielder and another Winger for me is the key signings.
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Then settle others down into one position and let them develop in that - i.e. Kasim, Luongo and Byrne who have bounced about too much
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Fodders
Thompson New CB Troy Byrne
New DM Luongo/Kasim
Tijane Harley/Luongo New Winger
Ranger
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That looks pretty good to me - obviously dpending on who the New Bods are!
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Then we have Bulford, Kasim/Luongo/Harley, Barthram, Branco, L.Thompson, Barthram, A.Smith, M.Smith, Barker and Storey as competition and depth
Yep hindsight wonderful but it's been apparent for ages on the DM issue. Very surprised we haven't gone for one in Jan. Cooper reckoned with Troy returning and Branco's emergence we're covered at CB. Unfortunately we have no-one who can head a ball in the middle which is a glaring flaw, although Louis is improving and tries his best on the rest of the defensive game.

I've got no real issue with the ability of the squad to play in certain positions, with the exception of Hall who whilst technically good is imo not strong enough for a defensive role, nor are Byrne or Barthram for that matter, although they have both done OK at times on the wing.

I'm not looking for radical changes, just the 2 new players and maybe Troy is one, plus a change in tactics to speed things up and get more natural width. Troy surely in last chance saloon if he misses any more games through injury. New winger preferably for Byrne, in an ideal world someone strong like Danny Ward or Robson-Kanu. Haven't seen enough of Tijane yet.

For now I would go

Fods
Thompson Branco Troy McEveley
Tijane New DM Luongo Byrne
Ranger Smith

L Thompson Storey Bulford Kasim the pick of the rest.

But like I say you could play whoever really if the tactics don't change, and if they don't change it won't be long before they start issuing sleeping bags with the match day tickets and Cooper will have to go. Thought we were getting somewhere with the Walsall showing and effort but back to square 1 v Oldham.
[quote][p][bold]London Red[/bold] wrote: Wilesy - hindsight is a wonderful thing - and I'm sure had Power seen where we are now he may have done things differently in the Summer. . Flint for example went and we saw Hall come in plus we were expecting Troy to be fit - so 2 new CBs to replace one. . I doubt anyone predicted Troy would have the relapse he did. Sounds like the Loan wasn't the best idea as they have said he might have not been managed correctly (i.e treated same as everyone else - rather than micro managed) . We then had Branco and Oakley (no one predicted he would break an ankle in pre-season) to support them! . I also doubt anyone saw the drop in Ward from last season to this coming! . Remember the woo-haa and relief when he re-signed. But how many now are think actually had he gone and we got Matt Taylor in would we have been stronger??? . I certainly was not worried about CB's back in August when it looked as we had 5 on the books with 3 from Ward, Hall and Troy comopeting to start . That was more than last year when we only had Ward, Flint and Devera with no others beyond that . Granted signing Harley now seems a luxury and a waste - but had we gone in with just Mason as our attacking player there would have been massive criticism - as most on here are never happy! . I simply see it as a learning curve - players like Luongo, Kasim, Byrne et al will all come through this season stronger and if we get the right blend next year could really really kick on - as certain players at Walsall have . Note Walsall only lost their forwards - and have been moaned at for not scoring enough this year! (No surprise really). The rest remained the same and that is why they are strong! . We have scored lots this year - so if we address our weakness - defensive work (midfield and defence) then surely we should kick on? . New CB, New DM midfielder and another Winger for me is the key signings. . Then settle others down into one position and let them develop in that - i.e. Kasim, Luongo and Byrne who have bounced about too much . Fodders Thompson New CB Troy Byrne New DM Luongo/Kasim Tijane Harley/Luongo New Winger Ranger . That looks pretty good to me - obviously dpending on who the New Bods are! . Then we have Bulford, Kasim/Luongo/Harley, Barthram, Branco, L.Thompson, Barthram, A.Smith, M.Smith, Barker and Storey as competition and depth[/p][/quote]Yep hindsight wonderful but it's been apparent for ages on the DM issue. Very surprised we haven't gone for one in Jan. Cooper reckoned with Troy returning and Branco's emergence we're covered at CB. Unfortunately we have no-one who can head a ball in the middle which is a glaring flaw, although Louis is improving and tries his best on the rest of the defensive game. I've got no real issue with the ability of the squad to play in certain positions, with the exception of Hall who whilst technically good is imo not strong enough for a defensive role, nor are Byrne or Barthram for that matter, although they have both done OK at times on the wing. I'm not looking for radical changes, just the 2 new players and maybe Troy is one, plus a change in tactics to speed things up and get more natural width. Troy surely in last chance saloon if he misses any more games through injury. New winger preferably for Byrne, in an ideal world someone strong like Danny Ward or Robson-Kanu. Haven't seen enough of Tijane yet. For now I would go Fods Thompson Branco Troy McEveley Tijane New DM Luongo Byrne Ranger Smith L Thompson Storey Bulford Kasim the pick of the rest. But like I say you could play whoever really if the tactics don't change, and if they don't change it won't be long before they start issuing sleeping bags with the match day tickets and Cooper will have to go. Thought we were getting somewhere with the Walsall showing and effort but back to square 1 v Oldham. Wilesy
  • Score: -1

2:41pm Tue 4 Feb 14

Oi Den! says...

LR, I don't think anyone disputes that we'd be a far better side with 3 good signings. That's the whole point many of us have been making for months. It's not hindsight. But even leaving aside the 3 gaps, I can't see why you have such confidence in all the players you've named. Archibald-Henville has never proved his worth and is still a gamble (as he proved on Saturday), Byrne hasn't improved in the last year, Luongo, Kasim and Harley flit in and out of games, Reis may or may not be any good - we've hardly seen anything of him. For different reasons, it's hard to see Foderingham or Ranger being with us for much longer.

But LR, the main point you and many others fail to discuss is the fact that many fans are becoming bored witless with the way we play the game. It can be entertaining and successful in good weather but in the middle of winter it just sees us treading water at best. Power has made exactly the same recruitment mistakes that Di Canio made with his YouTube signings. He's signed players who are neat footballers but not built for the rigours of lower division football in the winter. For all his faults, at least PDC recognised his mistakes quickly and was lucky enough to be given another bite at the cherry.

I have a group of 4 friends I used to see in the pub before every home game for years. They've now stopped going. It's a sign of the times.
LR, I don't think anyone disputes that we'd be a far better side with 3 good signings. That's the whole point many of us have been making for months. It's not hindsight. But even leaving aside the 3 gaps, I can't see why you have such confidence in all the players you've named. Archibald-Henville has never proved his worth and is still a gamble (as he proved on Saturday), Byrne hasn't improved in the last year, Luongo, Kasim and Harley flit in and out of games, Reis may or may not be any good - we've hardly seen anything of him. For different reasons, it's hard to see Foderingham or Ranger being with us for much longer. But LR, the main point you and many others fail to discuss is the fact that many fans are becoming bored witless with the way we play the game. It can be entertaining and successful in good weather but in the middle of winter it just sees us treading water at best. Power has made exactly the same recruitment mistakes that Di Canio made with his YouTube signings. He's signed players who are neat footballers but not built for the rigours of lower division football in the winter. For all his faults, at least PDC recognised his mistakes quickly and was lucky enough to be given another bite at the cherry. I have a group of 4 friends I used to see in the pub before every home game for years. They've now stopped going. It's a sign of the times. Oi Den!
  • Score: 1

3:01pm Tue 4 Feb 14

MarksDad says...

Steve. Brentford wrote:
MarksDad wrote:
LR please don't talk sense it confuses the poor little mindless ones!
I bet Mark is really really proud of you......
Idiot!
[quote][p][bold]Steve. Brentford[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]MarksDad[/bold] wrote: LR please don't talk sense it confuses the poor little mindless ones![/p][/quote]I bet Mark is really really proud of you......[/p][/quote]Idiot! MarksDad
  • Score: -5

3:29pm Tue 4 Feb 14

who am i says...

MarksDad wrote:
Steve. Brentford wrote:
MarksDad wrote: LR please don't talk sense it confuses the poor little mindless ones!
I bet Mark is really really proud of you......
Idiot!
I bet he's beaming with pride now he knows his dad knows all the big words.
[quote][p][bold]MarksDad[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Steve. Brentford[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]MarksDad[/bold] wrote: LR please don't talk sense it confuses the poor little mindless ones![/p][/quote]I bet Mark is really really proud of you......[/p][/quote]Idiot![/p][/quote]I bet he's beaming with pride now he knows his dad knows all the big words. who am i
  • Score: 5

3:43pm Tue 4 Feb 14

LeGod says...

LondonRed - well the bookies at the start of the season had Sheffield United and MK Dons as favourites and where are they.
We are playing poorly, negatively with no desire. I haven't got an issue with MC bit his mistakes are that he has made the JPT more important than the league by his statements and by doing that to me says we have no ambition to make an attempt for the play offs. I would rather lose in the play offs than a jPT final. The problem is as well now is that now MC has made that comment the players will see it as more important. The bookies can say whT they like about favourites etc but they are not always right otherwise they would be out of business.
The way we are playing and if our form carries on we will end up mid to lower table. The other thing to bear in mind that those comments and the way we are plYing will see a gradual decline on attendances as we are slowly seeing week by week.
I think on Saturday if we had got a win even by playing poorly fans would still think we had a chance of the play offs but we've played poorly for a few weeks now and I've said it already this week but cooper made a massive mistake with his starting team on Saturday.
We should have beaten Oldham if we had played the right team but two home games running now we have been really poor and if afraid it is coopers fault by playing the wrong players and negative tactics.
LondonRed - well the bookies at the start of the season had Sheffield United and MK Dons as favourites and where are they. We are playing poorly, negatively with no desire. I haven't got an issue with MC bit his mistakes are that he has made the JPT more important than the league by his statements and by doing that to me says we have no ambition to make an attempt for the play offs. I would rather lose in the play offs than a jPT final. The problem is as well now is that now MC has made that comment the players will see it as more important. The bookies can say whT they like about favourites etc but they are not always right otherwise they would be out of business. The way we are playing and if our form carries on we will end up mid to lower table. The other thing to bear in mind that those comments and the way we are plYing will see a gradual decline on attendances as we are slowly seeing week by week. I think on Saturday if we had got a win even by playing poorly fans would still think we had a chance of the play offs but we've played poorly for a few weeks now and I've said it already this week but cooper made a massive mistake with his starting team on Saturday. We should have beaten Oldham if we had played the right team but two home games running now we have been really poor and if afraid it is coopers fault by playing the wrong players and negative tactics. LeGod
  • Score: 4

3:49pm Tue 4 Feb 14

fitton 93 says...

Personally I think we have done very we'll this year considering we are no longer in quick fix city I think it is about time some fans stopped expecting instant results. What we really need is a long term manger and I think Cooper fits that mould as whilst he is sometimes tactically naive he does have a rapport with the young promising players we own. Luongo, Kasim, Nathan Thompson, Wes, Branco, M Smith, Bartham, Nathan Byrne, Connor Waldon, miles storey, lious Thompson, Alex Smith, Tijane ries , Oakley and possibly even Harry disappeared from the map Ogombar are all young prospects who could have a future in the game. Whilst I accept the results are frustrating you have to the ask the question do we want some journeyman manger to come in and leave after two years? What we need is some stability which I know is hard to find at STFC. Given time this squad can achieve things and we may lose players like Wes along the way who ate destined for greater things but as long as the money we get for them is invested back in the team I don't really mind. A tough tackling midfielder was Defintley a must buy on January and i think minus one the playoffs looks unlikely but if you said to me at the start of the year that we would be top 10 I would have bit your hand off.
Personally I think we have done very we'll this year considering we are no longer in quick fix city I think it is about time some fans stopped expecting instant results. What we really need is a long term manger and I think Cooper fits that mould as whilst he is sometimes tactically naive he does have a rapport with the young promising players we own. Luongo, Kasim, Nathan Thompson, Wes, Branco, M Smith, Bartham, Nathan Byrne, Connor Waldon, miles storey, lious Thompson, Alex Smith, Tijane ries , Oakley and possibly even Harry disappeared from the map Ogombar are all young prospects who could have a future in the game. Whilst I accept the results are frustrating you have to the ask the question do we want some journeyman manger to come in and leave after two years? What we need is some stability which I know is hard to find at STFC. Given time this squad can achieve things and we may lose players like Wes along the way who ate destined for greater things but as long as the money we get for them is invested back in the team I don't really mind. A tough tackling midfielder was Defintley a must buy on January and i think minus one the playoffs looks unlikely but if you said to me at the start of the year that we would be top 10 I would have bit your hand off. fitton 93
  • Score: 1

4:00pm Tue 4 Feb 14

Steve. Brentford says...

MarksDad wrote:
Steve. Brentford wrote:
MarksDad wrote:
LR please don't talk sense it confuses the poor little mindless ones!
I bet Mark is really really proud of you......
Idiot!
Haha MarksDad the namecaller,poor poor Mark!
[quote][p][bold]MarksDad[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Steve. Brentford[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]MarksDad[/bold] wrote: LR please don't talk sense it confuses the poor little mindless ones![/p][/quote]I bet Mark is really really proud of you......[/p][/quote]Idiot![/p][/quote]Haha MarksDad the namecaller,poor poor Mark! Steve. Brentford
  • Score: 1

4:02pm Tue 4 Feb 14

smirg kcab says...

Sad to hear the sad passing of David turner aged 52 a none league swindon legend
My thoughts go out to his family
Sad to hear the sad passing of David turner aged 52 a none league swindon legend My thoughts go out to his family smirg kcab
  • Score: 10

4:23pm Tue 4 Feb 14

Wayne Allison Bromham says...

LeGod wrote:
LondonRed - well the bookies at the start of the season had Sheffield United and MK Dons as favourites and where are they.
We are playing poorly, negatively with no desire. I haven't got an issue with MC bit his mistakes are that he has made the JPT more important than the league by his statements and by doing that to me says we have no ambition to make an attempt for the play offs. I would rather lose in the play offs than a jPT final. The problem is as well now is that now MC has made that comment the players will see it as more important. The bookies can say whT they like about favourites etc but they are not always right otherwise they would be out of business.
The way we are playing and if our form carries on we will end up mid to lower table. The other thing to bear in mind that those comments and the way we are plYing will see a gradual decline on attendances as we are slowly seeing week by week.
I think on Saturday if we had got a win even by playing poorly fans would still think we had a chance of the play offs but we've played poorly for a few weeks now and I've said it already this week but cooper made a massive mistake with his starting team on Saturday.
We should have beaten Oldham if we had played the right team but two home games running now we have been really poor and if afraid it is coopers fault by playing the wrong players and negative tactics.
Think that's about right. Once you go start looking past the first Xi and cooper starts tinkering with fringe players it seems obvious that they are not good enough. Not surprising that when this happened on Saturday it produced 0 points. Surprises me that people batter Ward on this forum, when some of the mistakes Branco has made since being "discovered" have been astonishing yet no criticism whatsoever
[quote][p][bold]LeGod[/bold] wrote: LondonRed - well the bookies at the start of the season had Sheffield United and MK Dons as favourites and where are they. We are playing poorly, negatively with no desire. I haven't got an issue with MC bit his mistakes are that he has made the JPT more important than the league by his statements and by doing that to me says we have no ambition to make an attempt for the play offs. I would rather lose in the play offs than a jPT final. The problem is as well now is that now MC has made that comment the players will see it as more important. The bookies can say whT they like about favourites etc but they are not always right otherwise they would be out of business. The way we are playing and if our form carries on we will end up mid to lower table. The other thing to bear in mind that those comments and the way we are plYing will see a gradual decline on attendances as we are slowly seeing week by week. I think on Saturday if we had got a win even by playing poorly fans would still think we had a chance of the play offs but we've played poorly for a few weeks now and I've said it already this week but cooper made a massive mistake with his starting team on Saturday. We should have beaten Oldham if we had played the right team but two home games running now we have been really poor and if afraid it is coopers fault by playing the wrong players and negative tactics.[/p][/quote]Think that's about right. Once you go start looking past the first Xi and cooper starts tinkering with fringe players it seems obvious that they are not good enough. Not surprising that when this happened on Saturday it produced 0 points. Surprises me that people batter Ward on this forum, when some of the mistakes Branco has made since being "discovered" have been astonishing yet no criticism whatsoever Wayne Allison Bromham
  • Score: -2

4:34pm Tue 4 Feb 14

Rebel_phish says...

After the whirlwind of the Di Canio era, where, if we'd have gone up we'd be out of business, the first thing that was needed was some stability.

The priority for McCrory/Power was to set the finances into some sort of order. Whilst all is not known, we do seem to be trading on an even keel, i.e wages being paid, players in and out - and no embargo in sight.

Whilst most on here were fearing the worst, there was talk at the beginning of the season from Jed about targeting the play-off's. Whilst I want every success for the club, getting promotion this season after all that went before would probably be a disaster. Most of the youngsters that have come into the club have done very well and are developing their game. There has been embers of the whole squad gelling and a growing comradeship where they are starting to work as one. Asking Cooper to give Nile Ranger another chance being an example, which Nile is repaying their faith at the moment.

This season should always be seen as one of consolidation. Promotion could do untold damage to the squad. They are not ready for it.

It's better to develop the squad, add and strengthen it in the summer and push on from there next season.

If we carry on for the last 17 games as we have done over the previous 29 averaging 1.41 pts a game we should achieve 65pts by the end of the season and finish around 10th, but if we carry on the way we have been for the last 5 games then we will end up with about 52pts and finish around 19/20th and just above the relegation spots
After the whirlwind of the Di Canio era, where, if we'd have gone up we'd be out of business, the first thing that was needed was some stability. The priority for McCrory/Power was to set the finances into some sort of order. Whilst all is not known, we do seem to be trading on an even keel, i.e wages being paid, players in and out - and no embargo in sight. Whilst most on here were fearing the worst, there was talk at the beginning of the season from Jed about targeting the play-off's. Whilst I want every success for the club, getting promotion this season after all that went before would probably be a disaster. Most of the youngsters that have come into the club have done very well and are developing their game. There has been embers of the whole squad gelling and a growing comradeship where they are starting to work as one. Asking Cooper to give Nile Ranger another chance being an example, which Nile is repaying their faith at the moment. This season should always be seen as one of consolidation. Promotion could do untold damage to the squad. They are not ready for it. It's better to develop the squad, add and strengthen it in the summer and push on from there next season. If we carry on for the last 17 games as we have done over the previous 29 averaging 1.41 pts a game we should achieve 65pts by the end of the season and finish around 10th, but if we carry on the way we have been for the last 5 games then we will end up with about 52pts and finish around 19/20th and just above the relegation spots Rebel_phish
  • Score: 2

4:39pm Tue 4 Feb 14

smirg kcab says...

Wayne Allison Bromham wrote:
LeGod wrote:
LondonRed - well the bookies at the start of the season had Sheffield United and MK Dons as favourites and where are they.
We are playing poorly, negatively with no desire. I haven't got an issue with MC bit his mistakes are that he has made the JPT more important than the league by his statements and by doing that to me says we have no ambition to make an attempt for the play offs. I would rather lose in the play offs than a jPT final. The problem is as well now is that now MC has made that comment the players will see it as more important. The bookies can say whT they like about favourites etc but they are not always right otherwise they would be out of business.
The way we are playing and if our form carries on we will end up mid to lower table. The other thing to bear in mind that those comments and the way we are plYing will see a gradual decline on attendances as we are slowly seeing week by week.
I think on Saturday if we had got a win even by playing poorly fans would still think we had a chance of the play offs but we've played poorly for a few weeks now and I've said it already this week but cooper made a massive mistake with his starting team on Saturday.
We should have beaten Oldham if we had played the right team but two home games running now we have been really poor and if afraid it is coopers fault by playing the wrong players and negative tactics.
Think that's about right. Once you go start looking past the first Xi and cooper starts tinkering with fringe players it seems obvious that they are not good enough. Not surprising that when this happened on Saturday it produced 0 points. Surprises me that people batter Ward on this forum, when some of the mistakes Branco has made since being "discovered" have been astonishing yet no criticism whatsoever
I think your
find most people including myself said that ward looked good on Saturday (one of his best games even tho he didnt have much opposition) only to be poorly subbed to give someone else a part game, which was ridiculous. And looking at the goal on tv the next day I thought it was tah fault for not winning the tackle going towards the corner flag.
As for Branco needs another 15 games to base him against a poor hall.
[quote][p][bold]Wayne Allison Bromham[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]LeGod[/bold] wrote: LondonRed - well the bookies at the start of the season had Sheffield United and MK Dons as favourites and where are they. We are playing poorly, negatively with no desire. I haven't got an issue with MC bit his mistakes are that he has made the JPT more important than the league by his statements and by doing that to me says we have no ambition to make an attempt for the play offs. I would rather lose in the play offs than a jPT final. The problem is as well now is that now MC has made that comment the players will see it as more important. The bookies can say whT they like about favourites etc but they are not always right otherwise they would be out of business. The way we are playing and if our form carries on we will end up mid to lower table. The other thing to bear in mind that those comments and the way we are plYing will see a gradual decline on attendances as we are slowly seeing week by week. I think on Saturday if we had got a win even by playing poorly fans would still think we had a chance of the play offs but we've played poorly for a few weeks now and I've said it already this week but cooper made a massive mistake with his starting team on Saturday. We should have beaten Oldham if we had played the right team but two home games running now we have been really poor and if afraid it is coopers fault by playing the wrong players and negative tactics.[/p][/quote]Think that's about right. Once you go start looking past the first Xi and cooper starts tinkering with fringe players it seems obvious that they are not good enough. Not surprising that when this happened on Saturday it produced 0 points. Surprises me that people batter Ward on this forum, when some of the mistakes Branco has made since being "discovered" have been astonishing yet no criticism whatsoever[/p][/quote]I think your find most people including myself said that ward looked good on Saturday (one of his best games even tho he didnt have much opposition) only to be poorly subbed to give someone else a part game, which was ridiculous. And looking at the goal on tv the next day I thought it was tah fault for not winning the tackle going towards the corner flag. As for Branco needs another 15 games to base him against a poor hall. smirg kcab
  • Score: -1

4:42pm Tue 4 Feb 14

buckobassettboy says...

Oi Den! wrote:
Is that you Lovesey wrote:
Sorry but whilst I agree with the sentiment completely of LR's post, we have a playing budget of 2.5 million, we didn't therefore need to go for a bunch of untried kids, look at Walsall with a reported budget of 1.2milliom, less than half of our, they play proper attacking football.

Our football this season has in the main been boring, sideways and backwards with a very slow build up play, Ranger with his quality should be on 15 goals, but he always has his back to goal and doesn't have loads of crosses whipped in...

The game on Saturday wasn't a one off, we have been poor by and large for some time, but Saturday was like watching the Malpass year all over again, yes we will continue to support the club, yes we will continue to buy season tickets, but a lot of people will stop going, I am not dissapointed with the league position or overall the team that we have assembled, but I am finding it boring going to watch town home and away, in fact I haven't bothered to go to the last two away games.......
Exactly the point I was trying to make - and clearly failed spectacularly. Ah well, at least there's two of us.
Ahem-3 of us, although I have withdrawn my cash input for some time now and have no intention what so ever of buying a season ticket or travelling away.I have to confess that I questioned my own judgement on Saturday of failing to go to the County Ground-given that the opportunity for me was, and is, a rare occurrence.At the tender age of 60,I have been round the block with my team-thick and thin.Never mind the first team,I used to go to the combination games-reserve team fixtures for those that are not old enough to remember-which were played at the County Ground whilst the first team were elsewhere.Those days people could not generally afford to travel away so often you had good gates at these games.I have spent a lot of money over the years but this current offering that has been assembled at SN1 takes the biscuit-no-the cake shop.It probably is no better or worse than tenure of Wilson,Malpas or Macdonald.The old chestnut of wages and sustainability is continually thrown into the argument but I enjoyed The PDC seasons irrespective of the financial goings on.I go to be entertained and pay my money without worrying about the clubs finances.That is somebody else job.This forum would appear to be full of accountants privy to every financial expenditure that occurs.I am continually amazed and yet never see a full financial spreadsheet.Well even the Premiership clubs run at a deficit-relying heavily on Sky to bankroll the finances,parachute payments,etc so where in the wide world of sport does any club make any money.All the average punter wants is somewhere to go and watch his or her team play with a 100% effort for the 90 and win or lose you were happy to part with the cash.I am not going to guess or make judgement on Saturdays performance from Cooper and the team because I did not go-but did they give 100%,were you entertained and did you get value for money?The only way I can let Power and Cooper know that I am not happy with the effort is to withdraw my Financial support.They can go and do one.
[quote][p][bold]Oi Den![/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Is that you Lovesey[/bold] wrote: Sorry but whilst I agree with the sentiment completely of LR's post, we have a playing budget of 2.5 million, we didn't therefore need to go for a bunch of untried kids, look at Walsall with a reported budget of 1.2milliom, less than half of our, they play proper attacking football. Our football this season has in the main been boring, sideways and backwards with a very slow build up play, Ranger with his quality should be on 15 goals, but he always has his back to goal and doesn't have loads of crosses whipped in... The game on Saturday wasn't a one off, we have been poor by and large for some time, but Saturday was like watching the Malpass year all over again, yes we will continue to support the club, yes we will continue to buy season tickets, but a lot of people will stop going, I am not dissapointed with the league position or overall the team that we have assembled, but I am finding it boring going to watch town home and away, in fact I haven't bothered to go to the last two away games.......[/p][/quote]Exactly the point I was trying to make - and clearly failed spectacularly. Ah well, at least there's two of us.[/p][/quote]Ahem-3 of us, although I have withdrawn my cash input for some time now and have no intention what so ever of buying a season ticket or travelling away.I have to confess that I questioned my own judgement on Saturday of failing to go to the County Ground-given that the opportunity for me was, and is, a rare occurrence.At the tender age of 60,I have been round the block with my team-thick and thin.Never mind the first team,I used to go to the combination games-reserve team fixtures for those that are not old enough to remember-which were played at the County Ground whilst the first team were elsewhere.Those days people could not generally afford to travel away so often you had good gates at these games.I have spent a lot of money over the years but this current offering that has been assembled at SN1 takes the biscuit-no-the cake shop.It probably is no better or worse than tenure of Wilson,Malpas or Macdonald.The old chestnut of wages and sustainability is continually thrown into the argument but I enjoyed The PDC seasons irrespective of the financial goings on.I go to be entertained and pay my money without worrying about the clubs finances.That is somebody else job.This forum would appear to be full of accountants privy to every financial expenditure that occurs.I am continually amazed and yet never see a full financial spreadsheet.Well even the Premiership clubs run at a deficit-relying heavily on Sky to bankroll the finances,parachute payments,etc so where in the wide world of sport does any club make any money.All the average punter wants is somewhere to go and watch his or her team play with a 100% effort for the 90 and win or lose you were happy to part with the cash.I am not going to guess or make judgement on Saturdays performance from Cooper and the team because I did not go-but did they give 100%,were you entertained and did you get value for money?The only way I can let Power and Cooper know that I am not happy with the effort is to withdraw my Financial support.They can go and do one. buckobassettboy
  • Score: 2

4:57pm Tue 4 Feb 14

Wayne Allison Bromham says...

smirg kcab wrote:
Wayne Allison Bromham wrote:
LeGod wrote:
LondonRed - well the bookies at the start of the season had Sheffield United and MK Dons as favourites and where are they.
We are playing poorly, negatively with no desire. I haven't got an issue with MC bit his mistakes are that he has made the JPT more important than the league by his statements and by doing that to me says we have no ambition to make an attempt for the play offs. I would rather lose in the play offs than a jPT final. The problem is as well now is that now MC has made that comment the players will see it as more important. The bookies can say whT they like about favourites etc but they are not always right otherwise they would be out of business.
The way we are playing and if our form carries on we will end up mid to lower table. The other thing to bear in mind that those comments and the way we are plYing will see a gradual decline on attendances as we are slowly seeing week by week.
I think on Saturday if we had got a win even by playing poorly fans would still think we had a chance of the play offs but we've played poorly for a few weeks now and I've said it already this week but cooper made a massive mistake with his starting team on Saturday.
We should have beaten Oldham if we had played the right team but two home games running now we have been really poor and if afraid it is coopers fault by playing the wrong players and negative tactics.
Think that's about right. Once you go start looking past the first Xi and cooper starts tinkering with fringe players it seems obvious that they are not good enough. Not surprising that when this happened on Saturday it produced 0 points. Surprises me that people batter Ward on this forum, when some of the mistakes Branco has made since being "discovered" have been astonishing yet no criticism whatsoever
I think your
find most people including myself said that ward looked good on Saturday (one of his best games even tho he didnt have much opposition) only to be poorly subbed to give someone else a part game, which was ridiculous. And looking at the goal on tv the next day I thought it was tah fault for not winning the tackle going towards the corner flag.
As for Branco needs another 15 games to base him against a poor hall.
Not sure Branco is / will be any better than hall to be honest. If everyone fit it looks quite a strong side which has got some good results. The team of Foderingham, Mcevely, Ward, Hall Nathan Thompson, Kasim, luongo, mason, Byrne, Pritchard, Ranger. Is good for this level, but there seems to be a big gap between the players who fill in. Also Cooper seems to have a personal grudge against Ranger, if fit he has to play, makes all the difference.
[quote][p][bold]smirg kcab[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Wayne Allison Bromham[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]LeGod[/bold] wrote: LondonRed - well the bookies at the start of the season had Sheffield United and MK Dons as favourites and where are they. We are playing poorly, negatively with no desire. I haven't got an issue with MC bit his mistakes are that he has made the JPT more important than the league by his statements and by doing that to me says we have no ambition to make an attempt for the play offs. I would rather lose in the play offs than a jPT final. The problem is as well now is that now MC has made that comment the players will see it as more important. The bookies can say whT they like about favourites etc but they are not always right otherwise they would be out of business. The way we are playing and if our form carries on we will end up mid to lower table. The other thing to bear in mind that those comments and the way we are plYing will see a gradual decline on attendances as we are slowly seeing week by week. I think on Saturday if we had got a win even by playing poorly fans would still think we had a chance of the play offs but we've played poorly for a few weeks now and I've said it already this week but cooper made a massive mistake with his starting team on Saturday. We should have beaten Oldham if we had played the right team but two home games running now we have been really poor and if afraid it is coopers fault by playing the wrong players and negative tactics.[/p][/quote]Think that's about right. Once you go start looking past the first Xi and cooper starts tinkering with fringe players it seems obvious that they are not good enough. Not surprising that when this happened on Saturday it produced 0 points. Surprises me that people batter Ward on this forum, when some of the mistakes Branco has made since being "discovered" have been astonishing yet no criticism whatsoever[/p][/quote]I think your find most people including myself said that ward looked good on Saturday (one of his best games even tho he didnt have much opposition) only to be poorly subbed to give someone else a part game, which was ridiculous. And looking at the goal on tv the next day I thought it was tah fault for not winning the tackle going towards the corner flag. As for Branco needs another 15 games to base him against a poor hall.[/p][/quote]Not sure Branco is / will be any better than hall to be honest. If everyone fit it looks quite a strong side which has got some good results. The team of Foderingham, Mcevely, Ward, Hall Nathan Thompson, Kasim, luongo, mason, Byrne, Pritchard, Ranger. Is good for this level, but there seems to be a big gap between the players who fill in. Also Cooper seems to have a personal grudge against Ranger, if fit he has to play, makes all the difference. Wayne Allison Bromham
  • Score: 2

5:20pm Tue 4 Feb 14

castle9 says...

Graham8181 wrote:
castle9 wrote:
harley red wrote:
Graham8181 wrote:
Are you taking the p*ss? You're almost as daluded as cooper. Forget about the playoffs. The article I want to see on this website is cooper is gone and we are in the hunt for a new manager. You only have to watch an interview with him to see how un-motivating he is. He has no passion at all. Let's not even talk about his tacticle awareness or prioritising signings that have been Needed for the team all season
Totally agree cooper is pathetic , been saying it for ages .
Yes and boring the pants off everyone on this site with your continuous negative one line mutterings without any presentation of an alternative suggestion or solution. About time you and your mate robinonfire did one.
look at the players we have and what potential cooper has got out of them and you'll see Harley red makes perfect sense. Yes at the start of the season I thought for the worse but since watching the team expand and get "better" I now feel we have a team that should be challenging for promotion with the right manager. he has been clueless in his tactics and clueless in his defensive options. another manager would have these players producing much better results
Hardly Red's contribution was ''Cooper is pathetic, been saying it for ages''. If that makes perfect sense to you then fine!

Cooper's tactics and options are wrong in your opinion - but I doubt that you have any experience to back that claim up - other than turning up on an occasional Saturday.

Continuity is required as we embark on a sensible road after the overspending of the PDC era. We have to be sustainable or we go out of business, and I know that I would prefer to have a club to support.
[quote][p][bold]Graham8181[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]castle9[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]harley red[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Graham8181[/bold] wrote: Are you taking the p*ss? You're almost as daluded as cooper. Forget about the playoffs. The article I want to see on this website is cooper is gone and we are in the hunt for a new manager. You only have to watch an interview with him to see how un-motivating he is. He has no passion at all. Let's not even talk about his tacticle awareness or prioritising signings that have been Needed for the team all season[/p][/quote]Totally agree cooper is pathetic , been saying it for ages .[/p][/quote]Yes and boring the pants off everyone on this site with your continuous negative one line mutterings without any presentation of an alternative suggestion or solution. About time you and your mate robinonfire did one.[/p][/quote]look at the players we have and what potential cooper has got out of them and you'll see Harley red makes perfect sense. Yes at the start of the season I thought for the worse but since watching the team expand and get "better" I now feel we have a team that should be challenging for promotion with the right manager. he has been clueless in his tactics and clueless in his defensive options. another manager would have these players producing much better results[/p][/quote]Hardly Red's contribution was ''Cooper is pathetic, been saying it for ages''. If that makes perfect sense to you then fine! Cooper's tactics and options are wrong in your opinion - but I doubt that you have any experience to back that claim up - other than turning up on an occasional Saturday. Continuity is required as we embark on a sensible road after the overspending of the PDC era. We have to be sustainable or we go out of business, and I know that I would prefer to have a club to support. castle9
  • Score: -1

5:41pm Tue 4 Feb 14

London Red says...

Den - style of play and make up of squad are to totally different issues and not linked - so that is why I don't mention it
.
You can stick a general like McMahon in the middle of the pitch (solve make up) but if we still play it out from the back with short trinagles - we will see the same "boring" football!
.
The only thing is we may not conceed as many and therefore might have got a few more draws out of it!
.
Also funny how so many were purring at our football earlier in the campaign yet now find it boring!
.
Bet if we reverted to 442 long ball - there would be just as many complaints - as that is what most STFC fans do - complain about anything and everything
.
LeGod - I know the bookies got some wrong - but they are laughing now as they have taken some serious cash on those bets - but as you progress through the season the chances of them getting it wrong get smaller and smaller - so if they whack Sheff U at 1000/1 for promotion it is because they won't go up - even though they technically still could!
.
So why we can technically go down - with our current points being 14 above the drop zone it is extremely unlikely we will go down - if you think that is not the case whack a few bob on and enjoy the winnings come May!
.
I however, will keep my cash in my pocket as otherwise might as well just burn it as I don't think we are going down
.
Fitton you are spot on - quick fix city has long gone yet people don't seem to get that
.
Why complain about being 8th and inconsistent if you thought we were going down? Surely you should be happy?
.
I'm prepered to wait - see how we develop, in both the squad itself and our style and see where that takes us
.
If we are stagnating or going backwards in a year or 2 - then I'm sure Power will act and adapt - otherwise any hope of getting his investment back will disappear!
.
He said 5 years not 5 minutes for a reason - its a shame so many don't follow his plea!
Den - style of play and make up of squad are to totally different issues and not linked - so that is why I don't mention it . You can stick a general like McMahon in the middle of the pitch (solve make up) but if we still play it out from the back with short trinagles - we will see the same "boring" football! . The only thing is we may not conceed as many and therefore might have got a few more draws out of it! . Also funny how so many were purring at our football earlier in the campaign yet now find it boring! . Bet if we reverted to 442 long ball - there would be just as many complaints - as that is what most STFC fans do - complain about anything and everything . LeGod - I know the bookies got some wrong - but they are laughing now as they have taken some serious cash on those bets - but as you progress through the season the chances of them getting it wrong get smaller and smaller - so if they whack Sheff U at 1000/1 for promotion it is because they won't go up - even though they technically still could! . So why we can technically go down - with our current points being 14 above the drop zone it is extremely unlikely we will go down - if you think that is not the case whack a few bob on and enjoy the winnings come May! . I however, will keep my cash in my pocket as otherwise might as well just burn it as I don't think we are going down . Fitton you are spot on - quick fix city has long gone yet people don't seem to get that . Why complain about being 8th and inconsistent if you thought we were going down? Surely you should be happy? . I'm prepered to wait - see how we develop, in both the squad itself and our style and see where that takes us . If we are stagnating or going backwards in a year or 2 - then I'm sure Power will act and adapt - otherwise any hope of getting his investment back will disappear! . He said 5 years not 5 minutes for a reason - its a shame so many don't follow his plea! London Red
  • Score: 2

5:50pm Tue 4 Feb 14

dazzastfc says...

Is that you Lovesey wrote:
Sorry but whilst I agree with the sentiment completely of LR's post, we have a playing budget of 2.5 million, we didn't therefore need to go for a bunch of untried kids, look at Walsall with a reported budget of 1.2milliom, less than half of our, they play proper attacking football.

Our football this season has in the main been boring, sideways and backwards with a very slow build up play, Ranger with his quality should be on 15 goals, but he always has his back to goal and doesn't have loads of crosses whipped in...

The game on Saturday wasn't a one off, we have been poor by and large for some time, but Saturday was like watching the Malpass year all over again, yes we will continue to support the club, yes we will continue to buy season tickets, but a lot of people will stop going, I am not dissapointed with the league position or overall the team that we have assembled, but I am finding it boring going to watch town home and away, in fact I haven't bothered to go to the last two away games.......
Well said that man 100% spot on..
Me and my kids use to look forward 2 match day and Hadley missed a home game but i find myself just not bothered ant more and my kids say its not worth going as it is boring and think the football is shocking..
IF cooper is in charge next season expect a drop in season tickets
[quote][p][bold]Is that you Lovesey[/bold] wrote: Sorry but whilst I agree with the sentiment completely of LR's post, we have a playing budget of 2.5 million, we didn't therefore need to go for a bunch of untried kids, look at Walsall with a reported budget of 1.2milliom, less than half of our, they play proper attacking football. Our football this season has in the main been boring, sideways and backwards with a very slow build up play, Ranger with his quality should be on 15 goals, but he always has his back to goal and doesn't have loads of crosses whipped in... The game on Saturday wasn't a one off, we have been poor by and large for some time, but Saturday was like watching the Malpass year all over again, yes we will continue to support the club, yes we will continue to buy season tickets, but a lot of people will stop going, I am not dissapointed with the league position or overall the team that we have assembled, but I am finding it boring going to watch town home and away, in fact I haven't bothered to go to the last two away games.......[/p][/quote]Well said that man 100% spot on.. Me and my kids use to look forward 2 match day and Hadley missed a home game but i find myself just not bothered ant more and my kids say its not worth going as it is boring and think the football is shocking.. IF cooper is in charge next season expect a drop in season tickets dazzastfc
  • Score: 2

5:54pm Tue 4 Feb 14

Is that you Lovesey says...

London Red wrote:
Den - style of play and make up of squad are to totally different issues and not linked - so that is why I don't mention it . You can stick a general like McMahon in the middle of the pitch (solve make up) but if we still play it out from the back with short trinagles - we will see the same "boring" football! . The only thing is we may not conceed as many and therefore might have got a few more draws out of it! . Also funny how so many were purring at our football earlier in the campaign yet now find it boring! . Bet if we reverted to 442 long ball - there would be just as many complaints - as that is what most STFC fans do - complain about anything and everything . LeGod - I know the bookies got some wrong - but they are laughing now as they have taken some serious cash on those bets - but as you progress through the season the chances of them getting it wrong get smaller and smaller - so if they whack Sheff U at 1000/1 for promotion it is because they won't go up - even though they technically still could! . So why we can technically go down - with our current points being 14 above the drop zone it is extremely unlikely we will go down - if you think that is not the case whack a few bob on and enjoy the winnings come May! . I however, will keep my cash in my pocket as otherwise might as well just burn it as I don't think we are going down . Fitton you are spot on - quick fix city has long gone yet people don't seem to get that . Why complain about being 8th and inconsistent if you thought we were going down? Surely you should be happy? . I'm prepered to wait - see how we develop, in both the squad itself and our style and see where that takes us . If we are stagnating or going backwards in a year or 2 - then I'm sure Power will act and adapt - otherwise any hope of getting his investment back will disappear! . He said 5 years not 5 minutes for a reason - its a shame so many don't follow his plea!
I agree LR, but the football is boring, you don't have to be a hoofball team bypassing the midfield, but if you look at the Cov game at home, for the last 15 minutes we battered them, playing with pace and urgency rather than backwards to the defence in triangles, the ball was going forward quicker and players were putting in more effort, thats what I would like to see. there has to be a happy medium in these lower leagues, when you have a team willing to chase us down all over the pitch we dissapear because we aren't getting time for our pretty triangles.

Both Hoddle and Ardiles have played the best football I have seen here, both played the ball on the deck and allowed the full backs and midfield to attack.
[quote][p][bold]London Red[/bold] wrote: Den - style of play and make up of squad are to totally different issues and not linked - so that is why I don't mention it . You can stick a general like McMahon in the middle of the pitch (solve make up) but if we still play it out from the back with short trinagles - we will see the same "boring" football! . The only thing is we may not conceed as many and therefore might have got a few more draws out of it! . Also funny how so many were purring at our football earlier in the campaign yet now find it boring! . Bet if we reverted to 442 long ball - there would be just as many complaints - as that is what most STFC fans do - complain about anything and everything . LeGod - I know the bookies got some wrong - but they are laughing now as they have taken some serious cash on those bets - but as you progress through the season the chances of them getting it wrong get smaller and smaller - so if they whack Sheff U at 1000/1 for promotion it is because they won't go up - even though they technically still could! . So why we can technically go down - with our current points being 14 above the drop zone it is extremely unlikely we will go down - if you think that is not the case whack a few bob on and enjoy the winnings come May! . I however, will keep my cash in my pocket as otherwise might as well just burn it as I don't think we are going down . Fitton you are spot on - quick fix city has long gone yet people don't seem to get that . Why complain about being 8th and inconsistent if you thought we were going down? Surely you should be happy? . I'm prepered to wait - see how we develop, in both the squad itself and our style and see where that takes us . If we are stagnating or going backwards in a year or 2 - then I'm sure Power will act and adapt - otherwise any hope of getting his investment back will disappear! . He said 5 years not 5 minutes for a reason - its a shame so many don't follow his plea![/p][/quote]I agree LR, but the football is boring, you don't have to be a hoofball team bypassing the midfield, but if you look at the Cov game at home, for the last 15 minutes we battered them, playing with pace and urgency rather than backwards to the defence in triangles, the ball was going forward quicker and players were putting in more effort, thats what I would like to see. there has to be a happy medium in these lower leagues, when you have a team willing to chase us down all over the pitch we dissapear because we aren't getting time for our pretty triangles. Both Hoddle and Ardiles have played the best football I have seen here, both played the ball on the deck and allowed the full backs and midfield to attack. Is that you Lovesey
  • Score: 5

5:55pm Tue 4 Feb 14

smirg kcab says...

Wayne Allison Bromham wrote:
smirg kcab wrote:
Wayne Allison Bromham wrote:
LeGod wrote:
LondonRed - well the bookies at the start of the season had Sheffield United and MK Dons as favourites and where are they.
We are playing poorly, negatively with no desire. I haven't got an issue with MC bit his mistakes are that he has made the JPT more important than the league by his statements and by doing that to me says we have no ambition to make an attempt for the play offs. I would rather lose in the play offs than a jPT final. The problem is as well now is that now MC has made that comment the players will see it as more important. The bookies can say whT they like about favourites etc but they are not always right otherwise they would be out of business.
The way we are playing and if our form carries on we will end up mid to lower table. The other thing to bear in mind that those comments and the way we are plYing will see a gradual decline on attendances as we are slowly seeing week by week.
I think on Saturday if we had got a win even by playing poorly fans would still think we had a chance of the play offs but we've played poorly for a few weeks now and I've said it already this week but cooper made a massive mistake with his starting team on Saturday.
We should have beaten Oldham if we had played the right team but two home games running now we have been really poor and if afraid it is coopers fault by playing the wrong players and negative tactics.
Think that's about right. Once you go start looking past the first Xi and cooper starts tinkering with fringe players it seems obvious that they are not good enough. Not surprising that when this happened on Saturday it produced 0 points. Surprises me that people batter Ward on this forum, when some of the mistakes Branco has made since being "discovered" have been astonishing yet no criticism whatsoever
I think your
find most people including myself said that ward looked good on Saturday (one of his best games even tho he didnt have much opposition) only to be poorly subbed to give someone else a part game, which was ridiculous. And looking at the goal on tv the next day I thought it was tah fault for not winning the tackle going towards the corner flag.
As for Branco needs another 15 games to base him against a poor hall.
Not sure Branco is / will be any better than hall to be honest. If everyone fit it looks quite a strong side which has got some good results. The team of Foderingham, Mcevely, Ward, Hall Nathan Thompson, Kasim, luongo, mason, Byrne, Pritchard, Ranger. Is good for this level, but there seems to be a big gap between the players who fill in. Also Cooper seems to have a personal grudge against Ranger, if fit he has to play, makes all the difference.
Agree on the ranger, unsure why smith not in your side?
Only if he plays with ranger tho, suppose Branco time will tell I guess the jury's still out.
[quote][p][bold]Wayne Allison Bromham[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]smirg kcab[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Wayne Allison Bromham[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]LeGod[/bold] wrote: LondonRed - well the bookies at the start of the season had Sheffield United and MK Dons as favourites and where are they. We are playing poorly, negatively with no desire. I haven't got an issue with MC bit his mistakes are that he has made the JPT more important than the league by his statements and by doing that to me says we have no ambition to make an attempt for the play offs. I would rather lose in the play offs than a jPT final. The problem is as well now is that now MC has made that comment the players will see it as more important. The bookies can say whT they like about favourites etc but they are not always right otherwise they would be out of business. The way we are playing and if our form carries on we will end up mid to lower table. The other thing to bear in mind that those comments and the way we are plYing will see a gradual decline on attendances as we are slowly seeing week by week. I think on Saturday if we had got a win even by playing poorly fans would still think we had a chance of the play offs but we've played poorly for a few weeks now and I've said it already this week but cooper made a massive mistake with his starting team on Saturday. We should have beaten Oldham if we had played the right team but two home games running now we have been really poor and if afraid it is coopers fault by playing the wrong players and negative tactics.[/p][/quote]Think that's about right. Once you go start looking past the first Xi and cooper starts tinkering with fringe players it seems obvious that they are not good enough. Not surprising that when this happened on Saturday it produced 0 points. Surprises me that people batter Ward on this forum, when some of the mistakes Branco has made since being "discovered" have been astonishing yet no criticism whatsoever[/p][/quote]I think your find most people including myself said that ward looked good on Saturday (one of his best games even tho he didnt have much opposition) only to be poorly subbed to give someone else a part game, which was ridiculous. And looking at the goal on tv the next day I thought it was tah fault for not winning the tackle going towards the corner flag. As for Branco needs another 15 games to base him against a poor hall.[/p][/quote]Not sure Branco is / will be any better than hall to be honest. If everyone fit it looks quite a strong side which has got some good results. The team of Foderingham, Mcevely, Ward, Hall Nathan Thompson, Kasim, luongo, mason, Byrne, Pritchard, Ranger. Is good for this level, but there seems to be a big gap between the players who fill in. Also Cooper seems to have a personal grudge against Ranger, if fit he has to play, makes all the difference.[/p][/quote]Agree on the ranger, unsure why smith not in your side? Only if he plays with ranger tho, suppose Branco time will tell I guess the jury's still out. smirg kcab
  • Score: 1

6:07pm Tue 4 Feb 14

lifelong red says...

Graham8181 wrote:
castle9 wrote:
harley red wrote:
Graham8181 wrote:
Are you taking the p*ss? You're almost as daluded as cooper. Forget about the playoffs. The article I want to see on this website is cooper is gone and we are in the hunt for a new manager. You only have to watch an interview with him to see how un-motivating he is. He has no passion at all. Let's not even talk about his tacticle awareness or prioritising signings that have been Needed for the team all season
Totally agree cooper is pathetic , been saying it for ages .
Yes and boring the pants off everyone on this site with your continuous negative one line mutterings without any presentation of an alternative suggestion or solution. About time you and your mate robinonfire did one.
look at the players we have and what potential cooper has got out of them and you'll see Harley red makes perfect sense. Yes at the start of the season I thought for the worse but since watching the team expand and get "better" I now feel we have a team that should be challenging for promotion with the right manager. he has been clueless in his tactics and clueless in his defensive options. another manager would have these players producing much better results
Really! and who would you suggest .
[quote][p][bold]Graham8181[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]castle9[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]harley red[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Graham8181[/bold] wrote: Are you taking the p*ss? You're almost as daluded as cooper. Forget about the playoffs. The article I want to see on this website is cooper is gone and we are in the hunt for a new manager. You only have to watch an interview with him to see how un-motivating he is. He has no passion at all. Let's not even talk about his tacticle awareness or prioritising signings that have been Needed for the team all season[/p][/quote]Totally agree cooper is pathetic , been saying it for ages .[/p][/quote]Yes and boring the pants off everyone on this site with your continuous negative one line mutterings without any presentation of an alternative suggestion or solution. About time you and your mate robinonfire did one.[/p][/quote]look at the players we have and what potential cooper has got out of them and you'll see Harley red makes perfect sense. Yes at the start of the season I thought for the worse but since watching the team expand and get "better" I now feel we have a team that should be challenging for promotion with the right manager. he has been clueless in his tactics and clueless in his defensive options. another manager would have these players producing much better results[/p][/quote]Really! and who would you suggest . lifelong red
  • Score: -1

6:07pm Tue 4 Feb 14

lifelong red says...

Graham8181 wrote:
castle9 wrote:
harley red wrote:
Graham8181 wrote:
Are you taking the p*ss? You're almost as daluded as cooper. Forget about the playoffs. The article I want to see on this website is cooper is gone and we are in the hunt for a new manager. You only have to watch an interview with him to see how un-motivating he is. He has no passion at all. Let's not even talk about his tacticle awareness or prioritising signings that have been Needed for the team all season
Totally agree cooper is pathetic , been saying it for ages .
Yes and boring the pants off everyone on this site with your continuous negative one line mutterings without any presentation of an alternative suggestion or solution. About time you and your mate robinonfire did one.
look at the players we have and what potential cooper has got out of them and you'll see Harley red makes perfect sense. Yes at the start of the season I thought for the worse but since watching the team expand and get "better" I now feel we have a team that should be challenging for promotion with the right manager. he has been clueless in his tactics and clueless in his defensive options. another manager would have these players producing much better results
Really! and who would you suggest .
[quote][p][bold]Graham8181[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]castle9[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]harley red[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Graham8181[/bold] wrote: Are you taking the p*ss? You're almost as daluded as cooper. Forget about the playoffs. The article I want to see on this website is cooper is gone and we are in the hunt for a new manager. You only have to watch an interview with him to see how un-motivating he is. He has no passion at all. Let's not even talk about his tacticle awareness or prioritising signings that have been Needed for the team all season[/p][/quote]Totally agree cooper is pathetic , been saying it for ages .[/p][/quote]Yes and boring the pants off everyone on this site with your continuous negative one line mutterings without any presentation of an alternative suggestion or solution. About time you and your mate robinonfire did one.[/p][/quote]look at the players we have and what potential cooper has got out of them and you'll see Harley red makes perfect sense. Yes at the start of the season I thought for the worse but since watching the team expand and get "better" I now feel we have a team that should be challenging for promotion with the right manager. he has been clueless in his tactics and clueless in his defensive options. another manager would have these players producing much better results[/p][/quote]Really! and who would you suggest . lifelong red
  • Score: 1

6:14pm Tue 4 Feb 14

Oi Den! says...

Rebel_phish wrote:
After the whirlwind of the Di Canio era, where, if we'd have gone up we'd be out of business, the first thing that was needed was some stability.

The priority for McCrory/Power was to set the finances into some sort of order. Whilst all is not known, we do seem to be trading on an even keel, i.e wages being paid, players in and out - and no embargo in sight.

Whilst most on here were fearing the worst, there was talk at the beginning of the season from Jed about targeting the play-off's. Whilst I want every success for the club, getting promotion this season after all that went before would probably be a disaster. Most of the youngsters that have come into the club have done very well and are developing their game. There has been embers of the whole squad gelling and a growing comradeship where they are starting to work as one. Asking Cooper to give Nile Ranger another chance being an example, which Nile is repaying their faith at the moment.

This season should always be seen as one of consolidation. Promotion could do untold damage to the squad. They are not ready for it.

It's better to develop the squad, add and strengthen it in the summer and push on from there next season.

If we carry on for the last 17 games as we have done over the previous 29 averaging 1.41 pts a game we should achieve 65pts by the end of the season and finish around 10th, but if we carry on the way we have been for the last 5 games then we will end up with about 52pts and finish around 19/20th and just above the relegation spots
Rebel, it was Cooper who went to the players and asked them to give Ranger another chance, not the other way round. That was confirmed by Cooper last week.
[quote][p][bold]Rebel_phish[/bold] wrote: After the whirlwind of the Di Canio era, where, if we'd have gone up we'd be out of business, the first thing that was needed was some stability. The priority for McCrory/Power was to set the finances into some sort of order. Whilst all is not known, we do seem to be trading on an even keel, i.e wages being paid, players in and out - and no embargo in sight. Whilst most on here were fearing the worst, there was talk at the beginning of the season from Jed about targeting the play-off's. Whilst I want every success for the club, getting promotion this season after all that went before would probably be a disaster. Most of the youngsters that have come into the club have done very well and are developing their game. There has been embers of the whole squad gelling and a growing comradeship where they are starting to work as one. Asking Cooper to give Nile Ranger another chance being an example, which Nile is repaying their faith at the moment. This season should always be seen as one of consolidation. Promotion could do untold damage to the squad. They are not ready for it. It's better to develop the squad, add and strengthen it in the summer and push on from there next season. If we carry on for the last 17 games as we have done over the previous 29 averaging 1.41 pts a game we should achieve 65pts by the end of the season and finish around 10th, but if we carry on the way we have been for the last 5 games then we will end up with about 52pts and finish around 19/20th and just above the relegation spots[/p][/quote]Rebel, it was Cooper who went to the players and asked them to give Ranger another chance, not the other way round. That was confirmed by Cooper last week. Oi Den!
  • Score: 0

6:24pm Tue 4 Feb 14

Oi Den! says...

LR, if the make up of the squad and the style of play are not linked in any way, can you explain why Cooper said we have to play this way because it suits the players we have?
LR, if the make up of the squad and the style of play are not linked in any way, can you explain why Cooper said we have to play this way because it suits the players we have? Oi Den!
  • Score: -1

6:28pm Tue 4 Feb 14

dazzastfc says...

London Red wrote:
Den - style of play and make up of squad are to totally different issues and not linked - so that is why I don't mention it
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You can stick a general like McMahon in the middle of the pitch (solve make up) but if we still play it out from the back with short trinagles - we will see the same "boring" football!
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The only thing is we may not conceed as many and therefore might have got a few more draws out of it!
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Also funny how so many were purring at our football earlier in the campaign yet now find it boring!
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Bet if we reverted to 442 long ball - there would be just as many complaints - as that is what most STFC fans do - complain about anything and everything
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LeGod - I know the bookies got some wrong - but they are laughing now as they have taken some serious cash on those bets - but as you progress through the season the chances of them getting it wrong get smaller and smaller - so if they whack Sheff U at 1000/1 for promotion it is because they won't go up - even though they technically still could!
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So why we can technically go down - with our current points being 14 above the drop zone it is extremely unlikely we will go down - if you think that is not the case whack a few bob on and enjoy the winnings come May!
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I however, will keep my cash in my pocket as otherwise might as well just burn it as I don't think we are going down
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Fitton you are spot on - quick fix city has long gone yet people don't seem to get that
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Why complain about being 8th and inconsistent if you thought we were going down? Surely you should be happy?
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I'm prepered to wait - see how we develop, in both the squad itself and our style and see where that takes us
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If we are stagnating or going backwards in a year or 2 - then I'm sure Power will act and adapt - otherwise any hope of getting his investment back will disappear!
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He said 5 years not 5 minutes for a reason - its a shame so many don't follow his plea!
Also funny how so many were purring at our football earlier in the campaign yet now find it boring!

So you think were playing with the same style and flair as we were in the early part of the season !!!!! NO CHANCE..?
[quote][p][bold]London Red[/bold] wrote: Den - style of play and make up of squad are to totally different issues and not linked - so that is why I don't mention it . You can stick a general like McMahon in the middle of the pitch (solve make up) but if we still play it out from the back with short trinagles - we will see the same "boring" football! . The only thing is we may not conceed as many and therefore might have got a few more draws out of it! . Also funny how so many were purring at our football earlier in the campaign yet now find it boring! . Bet if we reverted to 442 long ball - there would be just as many complaints - as that is what most STFC fans do - complain about anything and everything . LeGod - I know the bookies got some wrong - but they are laughing now as they have taken some serious cash on those bets - but as you progress through the season the chances of them getting it wrong get smaller and smaller - so if they whack Sheff U at 1000/1 for promotion it is because they won't go up - even though they technically still could! . So why we can technically go down - with our current points being 14 above the drop zone it is extremely unlikely we will go down - if you think that is not the case whack a few bob on and enjoy the winnings come May! . I however, will keep my cash in my pocket as otherwise might as well just burn it as I don't think we are going down . Fitton you are spot on - quick fix city has long gone yet people don't seem to get that . Why complain about being 8th and inconsistent if you thought we were going down? Surely you should be happy? . I'm prepered to wait - see how we develop, in both the squad itself and our style and see where that takes us . If we are stagnating or going backwards in a year or 2 - then I'm sure Power will act and adapt - otherwise any hope of getting his investment back will disappear! . He said 5 years not 5 minutes for a reason - its a shame so many don't follow his plea![/p][/quote]Also funny how so many were purring at our football earlier in the campaign yet now find it boring! So you think were playing with the same style and flair as we were in the early part of the season !!!!! NO CHANCE..? dazzastfc
  • Score: 1

6:32pm Tue 4 Feb 14

oo-r-ya? says...

tifosi wrote:
Play off push ?? Right ..... so they make the play offs, by some miracle win the play offs, and in the Championship they play like they did on Saturday.
Should be just fine then.
The key word in this comment is - they. If you were a fan it would be - us. You are entitled to your opinion, however destructive, but I am afraid you have let your true attitude show through.
[quote][p][bold]tifosi[/bold] wrote: Play off push ?? Right ..... so they make the play offs, by some miracle win the play offs, and in the Championship they play like they did on Saturday. Should be just fine then.[/p][/quote]The key word in this comment is - they. If you were a fan it would be - us. You are entitled to your opinion, however destructive, but I am afraid you have let your true attitude show through. oo-r-ya?
  • Score: 2

6:41pm Tue 4 Feb 14

alchafreds says...

MarksDad wrote:
LR please don't talk sense it confuses the poor little mindless ones!
really ??
[quote][p][bold]MarksDad[/bold] wrote: LR please don't talk sense it confuses the poor little mindless ones![/p][/quote]really ?? alchafreds
  • Score: -1

6:42pm Tue 4 Feb 14

akershaker says...

London Red wrote:
I have really lost track at what planet most posters on here come from!
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The vast majority were saying how we were relegation fodder and didn't have a cat in hells chance of staying up
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Yet we are 8th - only 5 points of the PO's and some 14 points clear of relegation! As pointed out and probably only 9 away from safety!
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Can you really see the teams at the bottom suddenly picking up 25 points over the remainer of the season when they havent managed that so far?
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I know the bookies don't as we are 100/1 to go down!
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We also have people saying its a year of transition - yet completely critise the make up of a squad - its like they don't understand the meaning of transisiton! It means moving from one place to another - or work in progress!
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While we have a large number of legacy player on ridiculous wages - we are never going to be able to get the squad perfectly balanced - Williams, Navarro, Benson and Cox leave in the summer freeing up some £11-12k a week or £600k a season!
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That is a massive amount of wasted money - over a 5th of our budget on just 4 players who have no future at the club! (rightly so too for differing reasons)
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So yes we had to go for untried players who show signs of potential rather than ready made season pros! but look where that got us last time - see the 4 above and add in Roberts and Miller et al on top!
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Also lets not forget all the untried flops PdC went through which costs us a massive fortune - at least 90%+ of our current ones have not been flops!
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Branco V Comazzi? Kasim V Risser?
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Yes this appraoch leads to inconsistency and us bouncing along - but is that still better than most thought?
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Didn't most expect us to be say Bristol? - Who have spent what over a million in transfer fees and who knows what in wages!
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As Power said judge him in 5 years not 5 minutes!
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All I see is that come the summer we will be breaking even (Power confirmed this), under no pressure to sell any key player Power confirmed this to) and IMO have a decent young squad in a much better shape than last summer to build upon
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Rome wasn't built in a day and either is promotion - it takes time and you just have to look at teams like Walsall and Orient to see what can be achieved - step by step
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Also didn't a lot of people slate the squad last year and say how poorly it was put together and how many holes it had in it - thus the high number of loanees to plug them?????
I often read and rarely post but have to send my 100% support of this from LondonRed. I also believe that the vast majority of the fans share the sentiment of this post, especially those with long memories!
[quote][p][bold]London Red[/bold] wrote: I have really lost track at what planet most posters on here come from! . The vast majority were saying how we were relegation fodder and didn't have a cat in hells chance of staying up . Yet we are 8th - only 5 points of the PO's and some 14 points clear of relegation! As pointed out and probably only 9 away from safety! . Can you really see the teams at the bottom suddenly picking up 25 points over the remainer of the season when they havent managed that so far? . I know the bookies don't as we are 100/1 to go down! . We also have people saying its a year of transition - yet completely critise the make up of a squad - its like they don't understand the meaning of transisiton! It means moving from one place to another - or work in progress! . While we have a large number of legacy player on ridiculous wages - we are never going to be able to get the squad perfectly balanced - Williams, Navarro, Benson and Cox leave in the summer freeing up some £11-12k a week or £600k a season! . That is a massive amount of wasted money - over a 5th of our budget on just 4 players who have no future at the club! (rightly so too for differing reasons) . So yes we had to go for untried players who show signs of potential rather than ready made season pros! but look where that got us last time - see the 4 above and add in Roberts and Miller et al on top! . Also lets not forget all the untried flops PdC went through which costs us a massive fortune - at least 90%+ of our current ones have not been flops! . Branco V Comazzi? Kasim V Risser? . Yes this appraoch leads to inconsistency and us bouncing along - but is that still better than most thought? . Didn't most expect us to be say Bristol? - Who have spent what over a million in transfer fees and who knows what in wages! . As Power said judge him in 5 years not 5 minutes! . All I see is that come the summer we will be breaking even (Power confirmed this), under no pressure to sell any key player Power confirmed this to) and IMO have a decent young squad in a much better shape than last summer to build upon . Rome wasn't built in a day and either is promotion - it takes time and you just have to look at teams like Walsall and Orient to see what can be achieved - step by step . Also didn't a lot of people slate the squad last year and say how poorly it was put together and how many holes it had in it - thus the high number of loanees to plug them?????[/p][/quote]I often read and rarely post but have to send my 100% support of this from LondonRed. I also believe that the vast majority of the fans share the sentiment of this post, especially those with long memories! akershaker
  • Score: 3

8:50pm Tue 4 Feb 14

harley red says...

castle9 wrote:
Graham8181 wrote:
castle9 wrote:
harley red wrote:
Graham8181 wrote:
Are you taking the p*ss? You're almost as daluded as cooper. Forget about the playoffs. The article I want to see on this website is cooper is gone and we are in the hunt for a new manager. You only have to watch an interview with him to see how un-motivating he is. He has no passion at all. Let's not even talk about his tacticle awareness or prioritising signings that have been Needed for the team all season
Totally agree cooper is pathetic , been saying it for ages .
Yes and boring the pants off everyone on this site with your continuous negative one line mutterings without any presentation of an alternative suggestion or solution. About time you and your mate robinonfire did one.
look at the players we have and what potential cooper has got out of them and you'll see Harley red makes perfect sense. Yes at the start of the season I thought for the worse but since watching the team expand and get "better" I now feel we have a team that should be challenging for promotion with the right manager. he has been clueless in his tactics and clueless in his defensive options. another manager would have these players producing much better results
Hardly Red's contribution was ''Cooper is pathetic, been saying it for ages''. If that makes perfect sense to you then fine!

Cooper's tactics and options are wrong in your opinion - but I doubt that you have any experience to back that claim up - other than turning up on an occasional Saturday.

Continuity is required as we embark on a sensible road after the overspending of the PDC era. We have to be sustainable or we go out of business, and I know that I would prefer to have a club to support.
Idiot , I've been coming over 50 years last 20 a season ticket holder and until ill health 10 years ago , I went to most away as we'll . So I have seen the good the bad and the ugly . HAVE YOU . I think what we dish up at the moment is bad and ugly . The going to football is becoming a chore , so maybe , I won't bother next year . I love football at all levels , but my love of all things Stfc is rocky , and that is sad . So next time you make a comment , remember EVERYONE HAS AN OPINION AND THAT IS SPECIAL .
[quote][p][bold]castle9[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Graham8181[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]castle9[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]harley red[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Graham8181[/bold] wrote: Are you taking the p*ss? You're almost as daluded as cooper. Forget about the playoffs. The article I want to see on this website is cooper is gone and we are in the hunt for a new manager. You only have to watch an interview with him to see how un-motivating he is. He has no passion at all. Let's not even talk about his tacticle awareness or prioritising signings that have been Needed for the team all season[/p][/quote]Totally agree cooper is pathetic , been saying it for ages .[/p][/quote]Yes and boring the pants off everyone on this site with your continuous negative one line mutterings without any presentation of an alternative suggestion or solution. About time you and your mate robinonfire did one.[/p][/quote]look at the players we have and what potential cooper has got out of them and you'll see Harley red makes perfect sense. Yes at the start of the season I thought for the worse but since watching the team expand and get "better" I now feel we have a team that should be challenging for promotion with the right manager. he has been clueless in his tactics and clueless in his defensive options. another manager would have these players producing much better results[/p][/quote]Hardly Red's contribution was ''Cooper is pathetic, been saying it for ages''. If that makes perfect sense to you then fine! Cooper's tactics and options are wrong in your opinion - but I doubt that you have any experience to back that claim up - other than turning up on an occasional Saturday. Continuity is required as we embark on a sensible road after the overspending of the PDC era. We have to be sustainable or we go out of business, and I know that I would prefer to have a club to support.[/p][/quote]Idiot , I've been coming over 50 years last 20 a season ticket holder and until ill health 10 years ago , I went to most away as we'll . So I have seen the good the bad and the ugly . HAVE YOU . I think what we dish up at the moment is bad and ugly . The going to football is becoming a chore , so maybe , I won't bother next year . I love football at all levels , but my love of all things Stfc is rocky , and that is sad . So next time you make a comment , remember EVERYONE HAS AN OPINION AND THAT IS SPECIAL . harley red
  • Score: -6

8:51pm Tue 4 Feb 14

lifelong red says...

Having read - took on board and digested all the above posters - all the views and opinions , from Den- L.R to name a few - and despite the disagreements ,I think they all have made good and valid points whatever your point of view may be .My only conclusion in all of this is that we- as fans should stay firmly behind Mark Cooper and the team at least until the end of the season .
Having read - took on board and digested all the above posters - all the views and opinions , from Den- L.R to name a few - and despite the disagreements ,I think they all have made good and valid points whatever your point of view may be .My only conclusion in all of this is that we- as fans should stay firmly behind Mark Cooper and the team at least until the end of the season . lifelong red
  • Score: 5

9:50pm Tue 4 Feb 14

mancrobin says...

London Red wrote:
Den - style of play and make up of squad are to totally different issues and not linked - so that is why I don't mention it
.
You can stick a general like McMahon in the middle of the pitch (solve make up) but if we still play it out from the back with short trinagles - we will see the same "boring" football!
.
The only thing is we may not conceed as many and therefore might have got a few more draws out of it!
.
Also funny how so many were purring at our football earlier in the campaign yet now find it boring!
.
Bet if we reverted to 442 long ball - there would be just as many complaints - as that is what most STFC fans do - complain about anything and everything
.
LeGod - I know the bookies got some wrong - but they are laughing now as they have taken some serious cash on those bets - but as you progress through the season the chances of them getting it wrong get smaller and smaller - so if they whack Sheff U at 1000/1 for promotion it is because they won't go up - even though they technically still could!
.
So why we can technically go down - with our current points being 14 above the drop zone it is extremely unlikely we will go down - if you think that is not the case whack a few bob on and enjoy the winnings come May!
.
I however, will keep my cash in my pocket as otherwise might as well just burn it as I don't think we are going down
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Fitton you are spot on - quick fix city has long gone yet people don't seem to get that
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Why complain about being 8th and inconsistent if you thought we were going down? Surely you should be happy?
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I'm prepered to wait - see how we develop, in both the squad itself and our style and see where that takes us
.
If we are stagnating or going backwards in a year or 2 - then I'm sure Power will act and adapt - otherwise any hope of getting his investment back will disappear!
.
He said 5 years not 5 minutes for a reason - its a shame so many don't follow his plea!
Excellent post LR.

I can understand some of the frustration on here from other posters because it has been poor fare of late and quite frankly, for someone who only sees the Town away, it's been grim all season away from the CG, Wolves excepted. I expect it will improve with better weather, better pitches. But ultimately, you are spot on, we have to give Power time to build a new squad within the resources available. In the meantime, he may have to accept that some might vote with their feet.

I expect I shall still be going to away games because I've tended to follow the Town whatever dross has been served up or otherwise. It comes with the deal in my view 'for better or worse, in sickness or health'.

Just in case we're wrong LR, stick us a pound on at 100/1.

COYR's.....
[quote][p][bold]London Red[/bold] wrote: Den - style of play and make up of squad are to totally different issues and not linked - so that is why I don't mention it . You can stick a general like McMahon in the middle of the pitch (solve make up) but if we still play it out from the back with short trinagles - we will see the same "boring" football! . The only thing is we may not conceed as many and therefore might have got a few more draws out of it! . Also funny how so many were purring at our football earlier in the campaign yet now find it boring! . Bet if we reverted to 442 long ball - there would be just as many complaints - as that is what most STFC fans do - complain about anything and everything . LeGod - I know the bookies got some wrong - but they are laughing now as they have taken some serious cash on those bets - but as you progress through the season the chances of them getting it wrong get smaller and smaller - so if they whack Sheff U at 1000/1 for promotion it is because they won't go up - even though they technically still could! . So why we can technically go down - with our current points being 14 above the drop zone it is extremely unlikely we will go down - if you think that is not the case whack a few bob on and enjoy the winnings come May! . I however, will keep my cash in my pocket as otherwise might as well just burn it as I don't think we are going down . Fitton you are spot on - quick fix city has long gone yet people don't seem to get that . Why complain about being 8th and inconsistent if you thought we were going down? Surely you should be happy? . I'm prepered to wait - see how we develop, in both the squad itself and our style and see where that takes us . If we are stagnating or going backwards in a year or 2 - then I'm sure Power will act and adapt - otherwise any hope of getting his investment back will disappear! . He said 5 years not 5 minutes for a reason - its a shame so many don't follow his plea![/p][/quote]Excellent post LR. I can understand some of the frustration on here from other posters because it has been poor fare of late and quite frankly, for someone who only sees the Town away, it's been grim all season away from the CG, Wolves excepted. I expect it will improve with better weather, better pitches. But ultimately, you are spot on, we have to give Power time to build a new squad within the resources available. In the meantime, he may have to accept that some might vote with their feet. I expect I shall still be going to away games because I've tended to follow the Town whatever dross has been served up or otherwise. It comes with the deal in my view 'for better or worse, in sickness or health'. Just in case we're wrong LR, stick us a pound on at 100/1. COYR's..... mancrobin
  • Score: 3

10:03pm Tue 4 Feb 14

The Jockster says...

Steve. Brentford wrote:
MarksDad wrote:
LR please don't talk sense it confuses the poor little mindless ones!
I bet Mark is really really proud of you......
Lifelong I think the majority are still supportive of Coops and count me in number. But that doesn't mean we all think the sun shines out of his arse like the northern lights all the time. His decision or Power's to prioritise the JPT over the league on Saturday beggars belief as did his decision to leave our potentially capable player on the bench for over an hour when even Rockin Robin could see what needed to change.
I've willingly spent a not inconsiderable sum of dosh following Town home and away this season but the apparent lack of ability to try and attempt to change a game when our pretty but predictable tippy tappy is not working is seriously certainly making me reconsider hitting the road for the rest of the season at the very least.
[quote][p][bold]Steve. Brentford[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]MarksDad[/bold] wrote: LR please don't talk sense it confuses the poor little mindless ones![/p][/quote]I bet Mark is really really proud of you......[/p][/quote]Lifelong I think the majority are still supportive of Coops and count me in number. But that doesn't mean we all think the sun shines out of his arse like the northern lights all the time. His decision or Power's to prioritise the JPT over the league on Saturday beggars belief as did his decision to leave our potentially capable player on the bench for over an hour when even Rockin Robin could see what needed to change. I've willingly spent a not inconsiderable sum of dosh following Town home and away this season but the apparent lack of ability to try and attempt to change a game when our pretty but predictable tippy tappy is not working is seriously certainly making me reconsider hitting the road for the rest of the season at the very least. The Jockster
  • Score: 1

10:26pm Tue 4 Feb 14

The Jockster says...

Oops don't know how that quote got there - finger trouble methinks!
Oops don't know how that quote got there - finger trouble methinks! The Jockster
  • Score: -3

10:30pm Tue 4 Feb 14

lifelong red says...

Yes jockster I am well aware of all the problems you mention ,and believe me I do know what its like following the team when things are nt going well I have been there myself enough times in the past - and - no I don't believe the sun shines out of his arse- as you so bluntly put it that's not to say though that we should nt stay behind Mark Cooper at this point - no matter what you might think.
Yes jockster I am well aware of all the problems you mention ,and believe me I do know what its like following the team when things are nt going well I have been there myself enough times in the past - and - no I don't believe the sun shines out of his arse- as you so bluntly put it that's not to say though that we should nt stay behind Mark Cooper at this point - no matter what you might think. lifelong red
  • Score: 0

10:52pm Tue 4 Feb 14

London Red says...

Den of course they are linked to a certain extent - as of you have 11 under 5'4 long hoof ball won't be very successful!
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However - my point is simply by adding one midfield general who will sit in the middle and break things up suddenly won't make us Man City!
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Team orders will dictate how we play and if we are being instructed to play short sidewards and backwards triangles we will continue to do so even if we change 1 or 2 players for more "muscle"
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If we suddenly switch to Smith and Ranger up top and hit long balls to them - our style will totally change - yet the squad won't have!
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As Lovesey says the football against Coventry is what is wanted - I personally think QPR away was the perfect blend - but whatever game you choose - the same players who were there are here now - so we can play like that with he current crop
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It's up to Cooper and Williams to get them back playing like that - as we know they can.
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If it was purely we are not good enough - and the squad is all wrong - then how have we had games like that? More than once!
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I agree with Jock and others that as much as a JPT fan I am as I see what revenue it can generate for us - £500k in next 3 games - I don't think the league should have been sacrificed
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What next dropping players in X as we have Y in a few weeks? All it will do is lead to points being dropped. We are no Chelsea or Man C so can't afford to try that type of stuff
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Best XI every time and if sh1t happens it happens and you go with best XI available after
Den of course they are linked to a certain extent - as of you have 11 under 5'4 long hoof ball won't be very successful! . However - my point is simply by adding one midfield general who will sit in the middle and break things up suddenly won't make us Man City! . Team orders will dictate how we play and if we are being instructed to play short sidewards and backwards triangles we will continue to do so even if we change 1 or 2 players for more "muscle" . If we suddenly switch to Smith and Ranger up top and hit long balls to them - our style will totally change - yet the squad won't have! . As Lovesey says the football against Coventry is what is wanted - I personally think QPR away was the perfect blend - but whatever game you choose - the same players who were there are here now - so we can play like that with he current crop . It's up to Cooper and Williams to get them back playing like that - as we know they can. . If it was purely we are not good enough - and the squad is all wrong - then how have we had games like that? More than once! . I agree with Jock and others that as much as a JPT fan I am as I see what revenue it can generate for us - £500k in next 3 games - I don't think the league should have been sacrificed . What next dropping players in X as we have Y in a few weeks? All it will do is lead to points being dropped. We are no Chelsea or Man C so can't afford to try that type of stuff . Best XI every time and if sh1t happens it happens and you go with best XI available after London Red
  • Score: 2

12:30am Wed 5 Feb 14

Oxon-Red says...

Oi Den! wrote:
Until the two main weaknesses are addressed we will just stumble on, picking up points here and there but with no sense of real progress. In the rush to cut costs in the summer, we threw the baby out with the bath water. We replaced strength with weakness and we're now paying the inevitable price - poor performances in the tough mid-winter conditions.

A lot is made of the fact that the playing budget had to be cut. But is it not still £2.5m? That is a great deal more than many clubs have needed to achieve success in this division. After the summer culling the first priorities should have been shoring up the defence with a leader and adding some grit and graft to midfield. And what did we do? - sign a centre back who hardly got a look in during a year at Brighton and a troupe of midfield fancy dans who can't compete when the going gets tough. Very poor approach.

Despite Cooper's awful tinkering on Saturday, I still can't see that he's to blame for the generally dismal performances of late. He's been dealt a very poor hand. Somehow he's managed to keep us away from relegation trouble up to now. I give him credit for that.
Den,

£2.5M is massive ? Not picking on you but sometimes I believe people need to step back and take reality check which I find very sad in football. I heard on Five5 at the weekend that the £2.5M would pay the wages at Man City for FOUR DAYS. Most people would have to live twice to earn that sort of money in their combined lifetimes.

Money and football is destroying football in the lower leagues, it is raising expectations because they earn a decent wage and they are then expected to perform at a standard close to the Rooney's, Ferdinand's and Lampard's of this world. Truth is in League 1 they are no better or worse than when I first started watching in the 70's but many are expecting to be rewarded for doing so and many fans are expecting, because they get a decent wage, them to perform better.

Truth is, signing a player in league 1 is a gamble. Then you have to factor in whether the manager can get the best from the gamble. If you win both times...

Not having a dig at Mark at all because when he took over the majority of the squad was in place but i do believe many expect too much and they expect it too often.

The squad is young and inexperienced and like any job they will learn and hopefully improve but the results will vary. Replace a production line with youngsters and a couple of old hands and you will get good results and Bl00dy awful ones. I do agree that we need some extra old heads but I suspect this may not be forthcoming now due to money and our relatively stable position in the league.

As for Kasim's statement about play-offs (answer not applicable to you Den) I applaud him for showing ambition and believing. If he didn't show that ambition to succeed he would be slaughtered on here. The posters on here that say we have no chance are probably right but just think what you might be posting if he said we are confident we can avoid relegation !!!!

Maybe I am a bit old fashiioned but I would be quite happy to see the TV money disappear from football. We may see a top league not dominated by 2-3 teams, we would see British youngters given a chance in the top league and we would see a more balanced expectation among fans in lower league teams.

Would the quality be better - open to debate ?
Would the excitement at seeing your team win be less ?


NOT A CHANCE.

COYMR
[quote][p][bold]Oi Den![/bold] wrote: Until the two main weaknesses are addressed we will just stumble on, picking up points here and there but with no sense of real progress. In the rush to cut costs in the summer, we threw the baby out with the bath water. We replaced strength with weakness and we're now paying the inevitable price - poor performances in the tough mid-winter conditions. A lot is made of the fact that the playing budget had to be cut. But is it not still £2.5m? That is a great deal more than many clubs have needed to achieve success in this division. After the summer culling the first priorities should have been shoring up the defence with a leader and adding some grit and graft to midfield. And what did we do? - sign a centre back who hardly got a look in during a year at Brighton and a troupe of midfield fancy dans who can't compete when the going gets tough. Very poor approach. Despite Cooper's awful tinkering on Saturday, I still can't see that he's to blame for the generally dismal performances of late. He's been dealt a very poor hand. Somehow he's managed to keep us away from relegation trouble up to now. I give him credit for that.[/p][/quote]Den, £2.5M is massive ? Not picking on you but sometimes I believe people need to step back and take reality check which I find very sad in football. I heard on Five5 at the weekend that the £2.5M would pay the wages at Man City for FOUR DAYS. Most people would have to live twice to earn that sort of money in their combined lifetimes. Money and football is destroying football in the lower leagues, it is raising expectations because they earn a decent wage and they are then expected to perform at a standard close to the Rooney's, Ferdinand's and Lampard's of this world. Truth is in League 1 they are no better or worse than when I first started watching in the 70's but many are expecting to be rewarded for doing so and many fans are expecting, because they get a decent wage, them to perform better. Truth is, signing a player in league 1 is a gamble. Then you have to factor in whether the manager can get the best from the gamble. If you win both times... Not having a dig at Mark at all because when he took over the majority of the squad was in place but i do believe many expect too much and they expect it too often. The squad is young and inexperienced and like any job they will learn and hopefully improve but the results will vary. Replace a production line with youngsters and a couple of old hands and you will get good results and Bl00dy awful ones. I do agree that we need some extra old heads but I suspect this may not be forthcoming now due to money and our relatively stable position in the league. As for Kasim's statement about play-offs (answer not applicable to you Den) I applaud him for showing ambition and believing. If he didn't show that ambition to succeed he would be slaughtered on here. The posters on here that say we have no chance are probably right but just think what you might be posting if he said we are confident we can avoid relegation !!!! Maybe I am a bit old fashiioned but I would be quite happy to see the TV money disappear from football. We may see a top league not dominated by 2-3 teams, we would see British youngters given a chance in the top league and we would see a more balanced expectation among fans in lower league teams. Would the quality be better - open to debate ? Would the excitement at seeing your team win be less ? NOT A CHANCE. COYMR Oxon-Red
  • Score: 3

12:31am Wed 5 Feb 14

joey butler says...

No way should we have signed Ranger in the first place, That is down to Mr Power and it is even more farcical that we were perhaps recently thinking of sacking Ranger, but kept him. How stupid was that?

Power knows it, Mark Cooper sure as hell knows it, but we persist with Ranger and the totally two faced fans on here are just as bad. Turncoats!!

Question, how many goals has this useless player scored for us this season please?

He has divided the team and the club and the fans, yet many of you on here tolerate him still, through double standards and an absolute lack of integrity.

Benson has scored more for Luton than Ranger for Town, the big difference being that Paul Benson wants to play and badly wants to score goals. I think he will score 20 by the end of the season.

And before some wag claims that Benson is only playing in the Conference, our recent form is way below the Conference.

Ranger out please, as soon as possible and then we can move forward as a club for what is left of the season!
No way should we have signed Ranger in the first place, That is down to Mr Power and it is even more farcical that we were perhaps recently thinking of sacking Ranger, but kept him. How stupid was that? Power knows it, Mark Cooper sure as hell knows it, but we persist with Ranger and the totally two faced fans on here are just as bad. Turncoats!! Question, how many goals has this useless player scored for us this season please? He has divided the team and the club and the fans, yet many of you on here tolerate him still, through double standards and an absolute lack of integrity. Benson has scored more for Luton than Ranger for Town, the big difference being that Paul Benson wants to play and badly wants to score goals. I think he will score 20 by the end of the season. And before some wag claims that Benson is only playing in the Conference, our recent form is way below the Conference. Ranger out please, as soon as possible and then we can move forward as a club for what is left of the season! joey butler
  • Score: -3

12:32am Wed 5 Feb 14

The Jockster says...

lifelong red wrote:
Yes jockster I am well aware of all the problems you mention ,and believe me I do know what its like following the team when things are nt going well I have been there myself enough times in the past - and - no I don't believe the sun shines out of his arse- as you so bluntly put it that's not to say though that we should nt stay behind Mark Cooper at this point - no matter what you might think.
Lifelong the first sentence of my post states that I still support Cooper. What hacks me off is that there are some who think he is Mother Teresa who can do no wrong and clearly like everybody in all walks of life he has. We've even over time and again how his hands are tied, there is no money, he is Power's puppet etc and we've made allowances for that but I repeat his decision to prioritise the JPT over the league and send out a team formation like he did on Saturday was nothing short of criminal IMO.
Does he have a problem motivating the players ? I don't know but he admits he doesn't know how to get the best out of them to play as a unit and commit to the cause. Why are our midfielders so airy fairy? They only perform when they want to not when he wants them to. Am I being too harsh? No I don't think so. Like I said he still has my backing but needs to up his game. Others are right gates are slipping, the product on offer at the moment is dire and the sooner some of the rose tinters on here grasp that nettle the better. I accept that I don't think we will get relegated but aren't the warning signs there after this poor run of results? Is Cooper suddenly going to wave a magic wand and perfornances improve? I hope he can but I have my doubts given the tools he has to work with, several of which, have a blunt edge. We've some tough games coming up against capable sides and I'm struggling to see where the points are going to come from and playoffs? Pie in the sky I'm afraid.
[quote][p][bold]lifelong red[/bold] wrote: Yes jockster I am well aware of all the problems you mention ,and believe me I do know what its like following the team when things are nt going well I have been there myself enough times in the past - and - no I don't believe the sun shines out of his arse- as you so bluntly put it that's not to say though that we should nt stay behind Mark Cooper at this point - no matter what you might think.[/p][/quote]Lifelong the first sentence of my post states that I still support Cooper. What hacks me off is that there are some who think he is Mother Teresa who can do no wrong and clearly like everybody in all walks of life he has. We've even over time and again how his hands are tied, there is no money, he is Power's puppet etc and we've made allowances for that but I repeat his decision to prioritise the JPT over the league and send out a team formation like he did on Saturday was nothing short of criminal IMO. Does he have a problem motivating the players ? I don't know but he admits he doesn't know how to get the best out of them to play as a unit and commit to the cause. Why are our midfielders so airy fairy? They only perform when they want to not when he wants them to. Am I being too harsh? No I don't think so. Like I said he still has my backing but needs to up his game. Others are right gates are slipping, the product on offer at the moment is dire and the sooner some of the rose tinters on here grasp that nettle the better. I accept that I don't think we will get relegated but aren't the warning signs there after this poor run of results? Is Cooper suddenly going to wave a magic wand and perfornances improve? I hope he can but I have my doubts given the tools he has to work with, several of which, have a blunt edge. We've some tough games coming up against capable sides and I'm struggling to see where the points are going to come from and playoffs? Pie in the sky I'm afraid. The Jockster
  • Score: -1

12:34am Wed 5 Feb 14

Oxon-Red says...

stranglers wrote:
Graham8181 wrote:
Are you taking the p*ss? You're almost as daluded as cooper. Forget about the playoffs. The article I want to see on this website is cooper is gone and we are in the hunt for a new manager. You only have to watch an interview with him to see how un-motivating he is. He has no passion at all. Let's not even talk about his tacticle awareness or prioritising signings that have been Needed for the team all season
Brilliant post 8181.
New manager and assistant sorted then chaps. Just need a backer !

Up for it Harley ?

COYMR
[quote][p][bold]stranglers[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Graham8181[/bold] wrote: Are you taking the p*ss? You're almost as daluded as cooper. Forget about the playoffs. The article I want to see on this website is cooper is gone and we are in the hunt for a new manager. You only have to watch an interview with him to see how un-motivating he is. He has no passion at all. Let's not even talk about his tacticle awareness or prioritising signings that have been Needed for the team all season[/p][/quote]Brilliant post 8181.[/p][/quote]New manager and assistant sorted then chaps. Just need a backer ! Up for it Harley ? COYMR Oxon-Red
  • Score: -1

12:37am Wed 5 Feb 14

Oxon-Red says...

whats that wrote:
This is a strange article really following Saturday's shocker. In Kasim's defence though, I expect the Adver had this interview with him prior to Saturday's game. Unfortunately for him, his comments do sound a bit stupid now as clearly the additional competition for places didnt lift anyone's game on Saturday!
Why is Sam no longer getting up to date info from the club ?

If what you say is correct it makes you wonder !

or does it ?

COYMR
[quote][p][bold]whats that[/bold] wrote: This is a strange article really following Saturday's shocker. In Kasim's defence though, I expect the Adver had this interview with him prior to Saturday's game. Unfortunately for him, his comments do sound a bit stupid now as clearly the additional competition for places didnt lift anyone's game on Saturday![/p][/quote]Why is Sam no longer getting up to date info from the club ? If what you say is correct it makes you wonder ! or does it ? COYMR Oxon-Red
  • Score: 0

12:53am Wed 5 Feb 14

Oxon-Red says...

harley red wrote:
castle9 wrote:
harley red wrote:
Graham8181 wrote:
Are you taking the p*ss? You're almost as daluded as cooper. Forget about the playoffs. The article I want to see on this website is cooper is gone and we are in the hunt for a new manager. You only have to watch an interview with him to see how un-motivating he is. He has no passion at all. Let's not even talk about his tacticle awareness or prioritising signings that have been Needed for the team all season
Totally agree cooper is pathetic , been saying it for ages .
Yes and boring the pants off everyone on this site with your continuous negative one line mutterings without any presentation of an alternative suggestion or solution. About time you and your mate robinonfire did one.
If you think that the football we play is good and that the manager is good ,you must have rose tinted glasses . We lack direction , we lack ability and the football is plain boring . Another thing I have an opinion as you do , we may not agree but that's football . So why don't you do one ?
Sadly football ahs come down to money and paying over inflated wages to average players for kick what used to be a pigs bladder around. Swindon tried to succeed by spending money they did not have and were rescued by the Fitton consortium. The main benefactor pulled out and although he left in a decent postision the person who took over was replaced with a man that seems to have paid debts and put the club back on a stable footing.

If you really want him to go I suggest you find a replacement or quite simply put your money where your mouth is.

COYMR
[quote][p][bold]harley red[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]castle9[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]harley red[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Graham8181[/bold] wrote: Are you taking the p*ss? You're almost as daluded as cooper. Forget about the playoffs. The article I want to see on this website is cooper is gone and we are in the hunt for a new manager. You only have to watch an interview with him to see how un-motivating he is. He has no passion at all. Let's not even talk about his tacticle awareness or prioritising signings that have been Needed for the team all season[/p][/quote]Totally agree cooper is pathetic , been saying it for ages .[/p][/quote]Yes and boring the pants off everyone on this site with your continuous negative one line mutterings without any presentation of an alternative suggestion or solution. About time you and your mate robinonfire did one.[/p][/quote]If you think that the football we play is good and that the manager is good ,you must have rose tinted glasses . We lack direction , we lack ability and the football is plain boring . Another thing I have an opinion as you do , we may not agree but that's football . So why don't you do one ?[/p][/quote]Sadly football ahs come down to money and paying over inflated wages to average players for kick what used to be a pigs bladder around. Swindon tried to succeed by spending money they did not have and were rescued by the Fitton consortium. The main benefactor pulled out and although he left in a decent postision the person who took over was replaced with a man that seems to have paid debts and put the club back on a stable footing. If you really want him to go I suggest you find a replacement or quite simply put your money where your mouth is. COYMR Oxon-Red
  • Score: 0

1:02am Wed 5 Feb 14

Oxon-Red says...

joey butler wrote:
No way should we have signed Ranger in the first place, That is down to Mr Power and it is even more farcical that we were perhaps recently thinking of sacking Ranger, but kept him. How stupid was that?

Power knows it, Mark Cooper sure as hell knows it, but we persist with Ranger and the totally two faced fans on here are just as bad. Turncoats!!

Question, how many goals has this useless player scored for us this season please?

He has divided the team and the club and the fans, yet many of you on here tolerate him still, through double standards and an absolute lack of integrity.

Benson has scored more for Luton than Ranger for Town, the big difference being that Paul Benson wants to play and badly wants to score goals. I think he will score 20 by the end of the season.

And before some wag claims that Benson is only playing in the Conference, our recent form is way below the Conference.

Ranger out please, as soon as possible and then we can move forward as a club for what is left of the season!
Joey,

I understand your dislike of Ranger whether founded or un-founded but to believe that Benson is a better player and would have scored more, well we will never know. but we can point to Benson's record in League 1 last season and it was 1 or 2 goals in 15+ appearances.

Ranger, like him or not is a class player, totally unselfish when he sees a player in a better position and without him we would probably be very much lower in the league table.

Not defending his actions off the field but on it IMO he is much better than Benson.

COYMR
[quote][p][bold]joey butler[/bold] wrote: No way should we have signed Ranger in the first place, That is down to Mr Power and it is even more farcical that we were perhaps recently thinking of sacking Ranger, but kept him. How stupid was that? Power knows it, Mark Cooper sure as hell knows it, but we persist with Ranger and the totally two faced fans on here are just as bad. Turncoats!! Question, how many goals has this useless player scored for us this season please? He has divided the team and the club and the fans, yet many of you on here tolerate him still, through double standards and an absolute lack of integrity. Benson has scored more for Luton than Ranger for Town, the big difference being that Paul Benson wants to play and badly wants to score goals. I think he will score 20 by the end of the season. And before some wag claims that Benson is only playing in the Conference, our recent form is way below the Conference. Ranger out please, as soon as possible and then we can move forward as a club for what is left of the season![/p][/quote]Joey, I understand your dislike of Ranger whether founded or un-founded but to believe that Benson is a better player and would have scored more, well we will never know. but we can point to Benson's record in League 1 last season and it was 1 or 2 goals in 15+ appearances. Ranger, like him or not is a class player, totally unselfish when he sees a player in a better position and without him we would probably be very much lower in the league table. Not defending his actions off the field but on it IMO he is much better than Benson. COYMR Oxon-Red
  • Score: 5

1:18am Wed 5 Feb 14

joey butler says...

Oxon-Red wrote:
joey butler wrote:
No way should we have signed Ranger in the first place, That is down to Mr Power and it is even more farcical that we were perhaps recently thinking of sacking Ranger, but kept him. How stupid was that?

Power knows it, Mark Cooper sure as hell knows it, but we persist with Ranger and the totally two faced fans on here are just as bad. Turncoats!!

Question, how many goals has this useless player scored for us this season please?

He has divided the team and the club and the fans, yet many of you on here tolerate him still, through double standards and an absolute lack of integrity.

Benson has scored more for Luton than Ranger for Town, the big difference being that Paul Benson wants to play and badly wants to score goals. I think he will score 20 by the end of the season.

And before some wag claims that Benson is only playing in the Conference, our recent form is way below the Conference.

Ranger out please, as soon as possible and then we can move forward as a club for what is left of the season!
Joey,

I understand your dislike of Ranger whether founded or un-founded but to believe that Benson is a better player and would have scored more, well we will never know. but we can point to Benson's record in League 1 last season and it was 1 or 2 goals in 15+ appearances.

Ranger, like him or not is a class player, totally unselfish when he sees a player in a better position and without him we would probably be very much lower in the league table.

Not defending his actions off the field but on it IMO he is much better than Benson.

COYMR
Oxon,

Where did I say that Benson would have scored more for us please? I was just wishing him all the best with Luton and sincerely beleve he will score 20 goals for them and help Luton get promoted. I think he has 11 goals already?

You have totally glossed over the key issue, which is Ranger, like the majority of posters on here and for a usually very balanced and very intelligent poster Oxon, you are as bad as the rest of them.

Double standards the lot of you and very sad coming from you Oxon.
[quote][p][bold]Oxon-Red[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]joey butler[/bold] wrote: No way should we have signed Ranger in the first place, That is down to Mr Power and it is even more farcical that we were perhaps recently thinking of sacking Ranger, but kept him. How stupid was that? Power knows it, Mark Cooper sure as hell knows it, but we persist with Ranger and the totally two faced fans on here are just as bad. Turncoats!! Question, how many goals has this useless player scored for us this season please? He has divided the team and the club and the fans, yet many of you on here tolerate him still, through double standards and an absolute lack of integrity. Benson has scored more for Luton than Ranger for Town, the big difference being that Paul Benson wants to play and badly wants to score goals. I think he will score 20 by the end of the season. And before some wag claims that Benson is only playing in the Conference, our recent form is way below the Conference. Ranger out please, as soon as possible and then we can move forward as a club for what is left of the season![/p][/quote]Joey, I understand your dislike of Ranger whether founded or un-founded but to believe that Benson is a better player and would have scored more, well we will never know. but we can point to Benson's record in League 1 last season and it was 1 or 2 goals in 15+ appearances. Ranger, like him or not is a class player, totally unselfish when he sees a player in a better position and without him we would probably be very much lower in the league table. Not defending his actions off the field but on it IMO he is much better than Benson. COYMR[/p][/quote]Oxon, Where did I say that Benson would have scored more for us please? I was just wishing him all the best with Luton and sincerely beleve he will score 20 goals for them and help Luton get promoted. I think he has 11 goals already? You have totally glossed over the key issue, which is Ranger, like the majority of posters on here and for a usually very balanced and very intelligent poster Oxon, you are as bad as the rest of them. Double standards the lot of you and very sad coming from you Oxon. joey butler
  • Score: -3

1:24am Wed 5 Feb 14

Swindonian63 says...

I see there was an N'Guessan on the bench for Stevenage tonight. Is this Dany? Or perhaps a relative? Have I missed something?
I see there was an N'Guessan on the bench for Stevenage tonight. Is this Dany? Or perhaps a relative? Have I missed something? Swindonian63
  • Score: 0

1:32am Wed 5 Feb 14

Swindonian63 says...

Joseph apparently...ignore me, it's late!
Joseph apparently...ignore me, it's late! Swindonian63
  • Score: 0

8:24am Wed 5 Feb 14

Oi Den! says...

Oxon-Red wrote:
Oi Den! wrote:
Until the two main weaknesses are addressed we will just stumble on, picking up points here and there but with no sense of real progress. In the rush to cut costs in the summer, we threw the baby out with the bath water. We replaced strength with weakness and we're now paying the inevitable price - poor performances in the tough mid-winter conditions.

A lot is made of the fact that the playing budget had to be cut. But is it not still £2.5m? That is a great deal more than many clubs have needed to achieve success in this division. After the summer culling the first priorities should have been shoring up the defence with a leader and adding some grit and graft to midfield. And what did we do? - sign a centre back who hardly got a look in during a year at Brighton and a troupe of midfield fancy dans who can't compete when the going gets tough. Very poor approach.

Despite Cooper's awful tinkering on Saturday, I still can't see that he's to blame for the generally dismal performances of late. He's been dealt a very poor hand. Somehow he's managed to keep us away from relegation trouble up to now. I give him credit for that.
Den,

£2.5M is massive ? Not picking on you but sometimes I believe people need to step back and take reality check which I find very sad in football. I heard on Five5 at the weekend that the £2.5M would pay the wages at Man City for FOUR DAYS. Most people would have to live twice to earn that sort of money in their combined lifetimes.

Money and football is destroying football in the lower leagues, it is raising expectations because they earn a decent wage and they are then expected to perform at a standard close to the Rooney's, Ferdinand's and Lampard's of this world. Truth is in League 1 they are no better or worse than when I first started watching in the 70's but many are expecting to be rewarded for doing so and many fans are expecting, because they get a decent wage, them to perform better.

Truth is, signing a player in league 1 is a gamble. Then you have to factor in whether the manager can get the best from the gamble. If you win both times...

Not having a dig at Mark at all because when he took over the majority of the squad was in place but i do believe many expect too much and they expect it too often.

The squad is young and inexperienced and like any job they will learn and hopefully improve but the results will vary. Replace a production line with youngsters and a couple of old hands and you will get good results and Bl00dy awful ones. I do agree that we need some extra old heads but I suspect this may not be forthcoming now due to money and our relatively stable position in the league.

As for Kasim's statement about play-offs (answer not applicable to you Den) I applaud him for showing ambition and believing. If he didn't show that ambition to succeed he would be slaughtered on here. The posters on here that say we have no chance are probably right but just think what you might be posting if he said we are confident we can avoid relegation !!!!

Maybe I am a bit old fashiioned but I would be quite happy to see the TV money disappear from football. We may see a top league not dominated by 2-3 teams, we would see British youngters given a chance in the top league and we would see a more balanced expectation among fans in lower league teams.

Would the quality be better - open to debate ?
Would the excitement at seeing your team win be less ?


NOT A CHANCE.

COYMR
Oxon, that's a complete distortion of my comment and my general view.

First of all, I agree with you about the negative influence of money at the top of the game.

I didn't say a £2.5m playing budget was "massive". I said many clubs have succeeded in this division by spending a lot less. Isn't that the argument that you and others used in your support for Jed McCrory?

The point I was making - and I've been banging on about it for ages - is that it needn't cost a fortune to acquire the services of two or three solid lower division professionals. The recruitment policy is all wrong. Developing players for their benefit seems to be more important than points for the Town. Cooper admitted on the radio last Friday that if he doesn't pick the Spurs loan players, Spurs will call them back. So what? If they're not performing, they shouldn't play. If that means they go back, so be it. Admittedly those players were not responsible for Saturday's shambles but that's no way to run a football team. Cooper should be free to pick the team based entirely on his own views. It would help if he could sign some players of his own choosing too.

I agree with you about Kasim's comments. I'm sure they were in answer to a question and I don't see what else he can say.
[quote][p][bold]Oxon-Red[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Oi Den![/bold] wrote: Until the two main weaknesses are addressed we will just stumble on, picking up points here and there but with no sense of real progress. In the rush to cut costs in the summer, we threw the baby out with the bath water. We replaced strength with weakness and we're now paying the inevitable price - poor performances in the tough mid-winter conditions. A lot is made of the fact that the playing budget had to be cut. But is it not still £2.5m? That is a great deal more than many clubs have needed to achieve success in this division. After the summer culling the first priorities should have been shoring up the defence with a leader and adding some grit and graft to midfield. And what did we do? - sign a centre back who hardly got a look in during a year at Brighton and a troupe of midfield fancy dans who can't compete when the going gets tough. Very poor approach. Despite Cooper's awful tinkering on Saturday, I still can't see that he's to blame for the generally dismal performances of late. He's been dealt a very poor hand. Somehow he's managed to keep us away from relegation trouble up to now. I give him credit for that.[/p][/quote]Den, £2.5M is massive ? Not picking on you but sometimes I believe people need to step back and take reality check which I find very sad in football. I heard on Five5 at the weekend that the £2.5M would pay the wages at Man City for FOUR DAYS. Most people would have to live twice to earn that sort of money in their combined lifetimes. Money and football is destroying football in the lower leagues, it is raising expectations because they earn a decent wage and they are then expected to perform at a standard close to the Rooney's, Ferdinand's and Lampard's of this world. Truth is in League 1 they are no better or worse than when I first started watching in the 70's but many are expecting to be rewarded for doing so and many fans are expecting, because they get a decent wage, them to perform better. Truth is, signing a player in league 1 is a gamble. Then you have to factor in whether the manager can get the best from the gamble. If you win both times... Not having a dig at Mark at all because when he took over the majority of the squad was in place but i do believe many expect too much and they expect it too often. The squad is young and inexperienced and like any job they will learn and hopefully improve but the results will vary. Replace a production line with youngsters and a couple of old hands and you will get good results and Bl00dy awful ones. I do agree that we need some extra old heads but I suspect this may not be forthcoming now due to money and our relatively stable position in the league. As for Kasim's statement about play-offs (answer not applicable to you Den) I applaud him for showing ambition and believing. If he didn't show that ambition to succeed he would be slaughtered on here. The posters on here that say we have no chance are probably right but just think what you might be posting if he said we are confident we can avoid relegation !!!! Maybe I am a bit old fashiioned but I would be quite happy to see the TV money disappear from football. We may see a top league not dominated by 2-3 teams, we would see British youngters given a chance in the top league and we would see a more balanced expectation among fans in lower league teams. Would the quality be better - open to debate ? Would the excitement at seeing your team win be less ? NOT A CHANCE. COYMR[/p][/quote]Oxon, that's a complete distortion of my comment and my general view. First of all, I agree with you about the negative influence of money at the top of the game. I didn't say a £2.5m playing budget was "massive". I said many clubs have succeeded in this division by spending a lot less. Isn't that the argument that you and others used in your support for Jed McCrory? The point I was making - and I've been banging on about it for ages - is that it needn't cost a fortune to acquire the services of two or three solid lower division professionals. The recruitment policy is all wrong. Developing players for their benefit seems to be more important than points for the Town. Cooper admitted on the radio last Friday that if he doesn't pick the Spurs loan players, Spurs will call them back. So what? If they're not performing, they shouldn't play. If that means they go back, so be it. Admittedly those players were not responsible for Saturday's shambles but that's no way to run a football team. Cooper should be free to pick the team based entirely on his own views. It would help if he could sign some players of his own choosing too. I agree with you about Kasim's comments. I'm sure they were in answer to a question and I don't see what else he can say. Oi Den!
  • Score: -1

9:53am Wed 5 Feb 14

Oxon-Red says...

Oi Den! wrote:
Oxon-Red wrote:
Oi Den! wrote:
Until the two main weaknesses are addressed we will just stumble on, picking up points here and there but with no sense of real progress. In the rush to cut costs in the summer, we threw the baby out with the bath water. We replaced strength with weakness and we're now paying the inevitable price - poor performances in the tough mid-winter conditions.

A lot is made of the fact that the playing budget had to be cut. But is it not still £2.5m? That is a great deal more than many clubs have needed to achieve success in this division. After the summer culling the first priorities should have been shoring up the defence with a leader and adding some grit and graft to midfield. And what did we do? - sign a centre back who hardly got a look in during a year at Brighton and a troupe of midfield fancy dans who can't compete when the going gets tough. Very poor approach.

Despite Cooper's awful tinkering on Saturday, I still can't see that he's to blame for the generally dismal performances of late. He's been dealt a very poor hand. Somehow he's managed to keep us away from relegation trouble up to now. I give him credit for that.
Den,

£2.5M is massive ? Not picking on you but sometimes I believe people need to step back and take reality check which I find very sad in football. I heard on Five5 at the weekend that the £2.5M would pay the wages at Man City for FOUR DAYS. Most people would have to live twice to earn that sort of money in their combined lifetimes.

Money and football is destroying football in the lower leagues, it is raising expectations because they earn a decent wage and they are then expected to perform at a standard close to the Rooney's, Ferdinand's and Lampard's of this world. Truth is in League 1 they are no better or worse than when I first started watching in the 70's but many are expecting to be rewarded for doing so and many fans are expecting, because they get a decent wage, them to perform better.

Truth is, signing a player in league 1 is a gamble. Then you have to factor in whether the manager can get the best from the gamble. If you win both times...

Not having a dig at Mark at all because when he took over the majority of the squad was in place but i do believe many expect too much and they expect it too often.

The squad is young and inexperienced and like any job they will learn and hopefully improve but the results will vary. Replace a production line with youngsters and a couple of old hands and you will get good results and Bl00dy awful ones. I do agree that we need some extra old heads but I suspect this may not be forthcoming now due to money and our relatively stable position in the league.

As for Kasim's statement about play-offs (answer not applicable to you Den) I applaud him for showing ambition and believing. If he didn't show that ambition to succeed he would be slaughtered on here. The posters on here that say we have no chance are probably right but just think what you might be posting if he said we are confident we can avoid relegation !!!!

Maybe I am a bit old fashiioned but I would be quite happy to see the TV money disappear from football. We may see a top league not dominated by 2-3 teams, we would see British youngters given a chance in the top league and we would see a more balanced expectation among fans in lower league teams.

Would the quality be better - open to debate ?
Would the excitement at seeing your team win be less ?


NOT A CHANCE.

COYMR
Oxon, that's a complete distortion of my comment and my general view.

First of all, I agree with you about the negative influence of money at the top of the game.

I didn't say a £2.5m playing budget was "massive". I said many clubs have succeeded in this division by spending a lot less. Isn't that the argument that you and others used in your support for Jed McCrory?

The point I was making - and I've been banging on about it for ages - is that it needn't cost a fortune to acquire the services of two or three solid lower division professionals. The recruitment policy is all wrong. Developing players for their benefit seems to be more important than points for the Town. Cooper admitted on the radio last Friday that if he doesn't pick the Spurs loan players, Spurs will call them back. So what? If they're not performing, they shouldn't play. If that means they go back, so be it. Admittedly those players were not responsible for Saturday's shambles but that's no way to run a football team. Cooper should be free to pick the team based entirely on his own views. It would help if he could sign some players of his own choosing too.

I agree with you about Kasim's comments. I'm sure they were in answer to a question and I don't see what else he can say.
Hi Den,

Wasn't picking on you in particular, I just picked your's for a rant. I agree that maybe we could have brought in a couple of old heads but I suspect they would required to fit into the system and possibly the ones that were identified demanded wages we couldn't afford for the period of time that they would want i.e. 2-year contract.

I know we have paid money for the two strikers but these may be seen as investment in the company for future sale and as a result future investment.

We are carrying a few higher wage earners so I would hope to see things change in the summer when they can be released. As I said league one players are a gamble, yooung and old. Will they progress, will they have the right attitude and are they good enough at the end of the day.

I do feel players are judged against those in the higher leagues because we know have so much exposure to football on TV. When they, as expected, don't perform to the same standard they are labelled as no good or useless.

COYMR
[quote][p][bold]Oi Den![/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Oxon-Red[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Oi Den![/bold] wrote: Until the two main weaknesses are addressed we will just stumble on, picking up points here and there but with no sense of real progress. In the rush to cut costs in the summer, we threw the baby out with the bath water. We replaced strength with weakness and we're now paying the inevitable price - poor performances in the tough mid-winter conditions. A lot is made of the fact that the playing budget had to be cut. But is it not still £2.5m? That is a great deal more than many clubs have needed to achieve success in this division. After the summer culling the first priorities should have been shoring up the defence with a leader and adding some grit and graft to midfield. And what did we do? - sign a centre back who hardly got a look in during a year at Brighton and a troupe of midfield fancy dans who can't compete when the going gets tough. Very poor approach. Despite Cooper's awful tinkering on Saturday, I still can't see that he's to blame for the generally dismal performances of late. He's been dealt a very poor hand. Somehow he's managed to keep us away from relegation trouble up to now. I give him credit for that.[/p][/quote]Den, £2.5M is massive ? Not picking on you but sometimes I believe people need to step back and take reality check which I find very sad in football. I heard on Five5 at the weekend that the £2.5M would pay the wages at Man City for FOUR DAYS. Most people would have to live twice to earn that sort of money in their combined lifetimes. Money and football is destroying football in the lower leagues, it is raising expectations because they earn a decent wage and they are then expected to perform at a standard close to the Rooney's, Ferdinand's and Lampard's of this world. Truth is in League 1 they are no better or worse than when I first started watching in the 70's but many are expecting to be rewarded for doing so and many fans are expecting, because they get a decent wage, them to perform better. Truth is, signing a player in league 1 is a gamble. Then you have to factor in whether the manager can get the best from the gamble. If you win both times... Not having a dig at Mark at all because when he took over the majority of the squad was in place but i do believe many expect too much and they expect it too often. The squad is young and inexperienced and like any job they will learn and hopefully improve but the results will vary. Replace a production line with youngsters and a couple of old hands and you will get good results and Bl00dy awful ones. I do agree that we need some extra old heads but I suspect this may not be forthcoming now due to money and our relatively stable position in the league. As for Kasim's statement about play-offs (answer not applicable to you Den) I applaud him for showing ambition and believing. If he didn't show that ambition to succeed he would be slaughtered on here. The posters on here that say we have no chance are probably right but just think what you might be posting if he said we are confident we can avoid relegation !!!! Maybe I am a bit old fashiioned but I would be quite happy to see the TV money disappear from football. We may see a top league not dominated by 2-3 teams, we would see British youngters given a chance in the top league and we would see a more balanced expectation among fans in lower league teams. Would the quality be better - open to debate ? Would the excitement at seeing your team win be less ? NOT A CHANCE. COYMR[/p][/quote]Oxon, that's a complete distortion of my comment and my general view. First of all, I agree with you about the negative influence of money at the top of the game. I didn't say a £2.5m playing budget was "massive". I said many clubs have succeeded in this division by spending a lot less. Isn't that the argument that you and others used in your support for Jed McCrory? The point I was making - and I've been banging on about it for ages - is that it needn't cost a fortune to acquire the services of two or three solid lower division professionals. The recruitment policy is all wrong. Developing players for their benefit seems to be more important than points for the Town. Cooper admitted on the radio last Friday that if he doesn't pick the Spurs loan players, Spurs will call them back. So what? If they're not performing, they shouldn't play. If that means they go back, so be it. Admittedly those players were not responsible for Saturday's shambles but that's no way to run a football team. Cooper should be free to pick the team based entirely on his own views. It would help if he could sign some players of his own choosing too. I agree with you about Kasim's comments. I'm sure they were in answer to a question and I don't see what else he can say.[/p][/quote]Hi Den, Wasn't picking on you in particular, I just picked your's for a rant. I agree that maybe we could have brought in a couple of old heads but I suspect they would required to fit into the system and possibly the ones that were identified demanded wages we couldn't afford for the period of time that they would want i.e. 2-year contract. I know we have paid money for the two strikers but these may be seen as investment in the company for future sale and as a result future investment. We are carrying a few higher wage earners so I would hope to see things change in the summer when they can be released. As I said league one players are a gamble, yooung and old. Will they progress, will they have the right attitude and are they good enough at the end of the day. I do feel players are judged against those in the higher leagues because we know have so much exposure to football on TV. When they, as expected, don't perform to the same standard they are labelled as no good or useless. COYMR Oxon-Red
  • Score: 0

10:21am Wed 5 Feb 14

Oi Den! says...

Oxon, I understand your point of view. It's just that I remain unconvinced that this season we have been building a team for the future.

One thing I can assure you of is that, as someone who hardly ever watches football on TV, I don't judge players by the standard of those playing at a higher level. The top flight is one big bore for me. I would be much more likely to watch an FA Cup tie between 2 non-League sides than watch Man City v Chelsea for instance. If you showed me a picture of the two teams that played on Monday night I doubt if I could name more than 4 or 5 players.

Any signing is a gamble. Managers should stand or fall by the performances of their signings. But how many of our signings are Cooper's? His brief managerial experience has largely been at lower division or non-League level. I can't believe that he didn't want to sign - or couldn't attract - some players with the battling qualities needed at this level. The signing of Michael Smith may at last signal a step in the right direction.

I stick by my view that Mark Cooper is doing a good job so far. But I'm convinced that the reason he got the job is that neither Kevin MacDonald nor any decent potential replacement from outside would tolerate the conditions of it. I would accept that those conditions have probably improved since the arch-bullsh1tter left the club.
Oxon, I understand your point of view. It's just that I remain unconvinced that this season we have been building a team for the future. One thing I can assure you of is that, as someone who hardly ever watches football on TV, I don't judge players by the standard of those playing at a higher level. The top flight is one big bore for me. I would be much more likely to watch an FA Cup tie between 2 non-League sides than watch Man City v Chelsea for instance. If you showed me a picture of the two teams that played on Monday night I doubt if I could name more than 4 or 5 players. Any signing is a gamble. Managers should stand or fall by the performances of their signings. But how many of our signings are Cooper's? His brief managerial experience has largely been at lower division or non-League level. I can't believe that he didn't want to sign - or couldn't attract - some players with the battling qualities needed at this level. The signing of Michael Smith may at last signal a step in the right direction. I stick by my view that Mark Cooper is doing a good job so far. But I'm convinced that the reason he got the job is that neither Kevin MacDonald nor any decent potential replacement from outside would tolerate the conditions of it. I would accept that those conditions have probably improved since the arch-bullsh1tter left the club. Oi Den!
  • Score: -3

1:33pm Wed 5 Feb 14

Lunchtime Red says...

We don’t need atmosphere, we need performances.

I think we missed Kasim at the weekend. Sometimes you don’t realise the job that some of the players are doing until they are not there. We need Kasim for the Peterborough game to steady the ship. We were not up for it against Oldham and without both Pritchard and Kasim we were a weaker team and then taking Luongo off towards the end made it worse and Oldham scored. Cooper’s gamble backfired basically.

We are not as bad a team as the loss against Oldham made us look. Here’s hoping for a good performance tonight and some evidence that losing 3 points against Oldham was worth it.
We don’t need atmosphere, we need performances. I think we missed Kasim at the weekend. Sometimes you don’t realise the job that some of the players are doing until they are not there. We need Kasim for the Peterborough game to steady the ship. We were not up for it against Oldham and without both Pritchard and Kasim we were a weaker team and then taking Luongo off towards the end made it worse and Oldham scored. Cooper’s gamble backfired basically. We are not as bad a team as the loss against Oldham made us look. Here’s hoping for a good performance tonight and some evidence that losing 3 points against Oldham was worth it. Lunchtime Red
  • Score: 0

1:49pm Wed 5 Feb 14

Oi Den! says...

Lunchtime Red wrote:
We don’t need atmosphere, we need performances.

I think we missed Kasim at the weekend. Sometimes you don’t realise the job that some of the players are doing until they are not there. We need Kasim for the Peterborough game to steady the ship. We were not up for it against Oldham and without both Pritchard and Kasim we were a weaker team and then taking Luongo off towards the end made it worse and Oldham scored. Cooper’s gamble backfired basically.

We are not as bad a team as the loss against Oldham made us look. Here’s hoping for a good performance tonight and some evidence that losing 3 points against Oldham was worth it.
Whatever tonight's result, how can it be worth gambling with League points?
[quote][p][bold]Lunchtime Red[/bold] wrote: We don’t need atmosphere, we need performances. I think we missed Kasim at the weekend. Sometimes you don’t realise the job that some of the players are doing until they are not there. We need Kasim for the Peterborough game to steady the ship. We were not up for it against Oldham and without both Pritchard and Kasim we were a weaker team and then taking Luongo off towards the end made it worse and Oldham scored. Cooper’s gamble backfired basically. We are not as bad a team as the loss against Oldham made us look. Here’s hoping for a good performance tonight and some evidence that losing 3 points against Oldham was worth it.[/p][/quote]Whatever tonight's result, how can it be worth gambling with League points? Oi Den!
  • Score: -2

2:45pm Wed 5 Feb 14

Lunchtime Red says...

Oi Den! wrote:
Lunchtime Red wrote:
We don’t need atmosphere, we need performances.

I think we missed Kasim at the weekend. Sometimes you don’t realise the job that some of the players are doing until they are not there. We need Kasim for the Peterborough game to steady the ship. We were not up for it against Oldham and without both Pritchard and Kasim we were a weaker team and then taking Luongo off towards the end made it worse and Oldham scored. Cooper’s gamble backfired basically.

We are not as bad a team as the loss against Oldham made us look. Here’s hoping for a good performance tonight and some evidence that losing 3 points against Oldham was worth it.
Whatever tonight's result, how can it be worth gambling with League points?
I agree that we should not be gambling for points because we want to finish as high in the league as we can - but that’s what we have done. A stronger side on Saturday, i.e.: with Kasim in it, could of/should of got something out of the Oldham game but it would have left us weaker for the JPT game. We will soon see if the gamble will work for us.
[quote][p][bold]Oi Den![/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Lunchtime Red[/bold] wrote: We don’t need atmosphere, we need performances. I think we missed Kasim at the weekend. Sometimes you don’t realise the job that some of the players are doing until they are not there. We need Kasim for the Peterborough game to steady the ship. We were not up for it against Oldham and without both Pritchard and Kasim we were a weaker team and then taking Luongo off towards the end made it worse and Oldham scored. Cooper’s gamble backfired basically. We are not as bad a team as the loss against Oldham made us look. Here’s hoping for a good performance tonight and some evidence that losing 3 points against Oldham was worth it.[/p][/quote]Whatever tonight's result, how can it be worth gambling with League points?[/p][/quote]I agree that we should not be gambling for points because we want to finish as high in the league as we can - but that’s what we have done. A stronger side on Saturday, i.e.: with Kasim in it, could of/should of got something out of the Oldham game but it would have left us weaker for the JPT game. We will soon see if the gamble will work for us. Lunchtime Red
  • Score: 0

4:19pm Wed 5 Feb 14

Oi Den! says...

Lunchtime Red wrote:
Oi Den! wrote:
Lunchtime Red wrote:
We don’t need atmosphere, we need performances.

I think we missed Kasim at the weekend. Sometimes you don’t realise the job that some of the players are doing until they are not there. We need Kasim for the Peterborough game to steady the ship. We were not up for it against Oldham and without both Pritchard and Kasim we were a weaker team and then taking Luongo off towards the end made it worse and Oldham scored. Cooper’s gamble backfired basically.

We are not as bad a team as the loss against Oldham made us look. Here’s hoping for a good performance tonight and some evidence that losing 3 points against Oldham was worth it.
Whatever tonight's result, how can it be worth gambling with League points?
I agree that we should not be gambling for points because we want to finish as high in the league as we can - but that’s what we have done. A stronger side on Saturday, i.e.: with Kasim in it, could of/should of got something out of the Oldham game but it would have left us weaker for the JPT game. We will soon see if the gamble will work for us.
Fair enough. I'm not sure it's true that we would have / should have got anything from Saturday's game if Kasim had been playing. On his bad days he can be as poor as the rest of them were - and it's not as if we've been playing well lately with him in the side. But it's appalling that any fit first choice player should be left out of a League game for anything but tactical reasons. The pre-planned half-time substitution was equally bad. I don't know whether it was Cooper's choice to do that or whether Power told him to do it. If it was Cooper he should have had a severe b0llocking by now and if it was Power it's the worst example we've seen yet of the manager not being allowed to do his job.
[quote][p][bold]Lunchtime Red[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Oi Den![/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Lunchtime Red[/bold] wrote: We don’t need atmosphere, we need performances. I think we missed Kasim at the weekend. Sometimes you don’t realise the job that some of the players are doing until they are not there. We need Kasim for the Peterborough game to steady the ship. We were not up for it against Oldham and without both Pritchard and Kasim we were a weaker team and then taking Luongo off towards the end made it worse and Oldham scored. Cooper’s gamble backfired basically. We are not as bad a team as the loss against Oldham made us look. Here’s hoping for a good performance tonight and some evidence that losing 3 points against Oldham was worth it.[/p][/quote]Whatever tonight's result, how can it be worth gambling with League points?[/p][/quote]I agree that we should not be gambling for points because we want to finish as high in the league as we can - but that’s what we have done. A stronger side on Saturday, i.e.: with Kasim in it, could of/should of got something out of the Oldham game but it would have left us weaker for the JPT game. We will soon see if the gamble will work for us.[/p][/quote]Fair enough. I'm not sure it's true that we would have / should have got anything from Saturday's game if Kasim had been playing. On his bad days he can be as poor as the rest of them were - and it's not as if we've been playing well lately with him in the side. But it's appalling that any fit first choice player should be left out of a League game for anything but tactical reasons. The pre-planned half-time substitution was equally bad. I don't know whether it was Cooper's choice to do that or whether Power told him to do it. If it was Cooper he should have had a severe b0llocking by now and if it was Power it's the worst example we've seen yet of the manager not being allowed to do his job. Oi Den!
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