LiveMATCHDAY LIVE: Swindon Town v Oldham Athletic

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Summary

  • REPORTING BY SAM MORSHEAD & ANDY WARREN
  • FT: Swindon Town 0 Oldham 1 (Grounds 73)
  • Defender Grounds drills home to give his side the win in a dire contest

5:35pm

That's it for today, but don't forget to pick up your copy of The Result on Monday for all the action and reaction to today's game.

Might be worth trying to forget about it though.

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5:34pm

The Robins youth product took the captaincy in the second period after Darren Ward was replaced but was honoured to lead the team.

The Wiltshire Gazette and Herald: PEOPLE'S CHOICE: Nathan Thompson

NATHAN THOMPSON

“This is an extrememly proud moment for me, to captain the team I have grown up with, and I had a lump in my throat when Wardy passed it too me.”

5:32pm

Nathan Thompson is next to face the media and was critical of his own personal display.

The Wiltshire Gazette and Herald: Star in the making? - Town defender Nathan Thompson

NATHAN THOMPSON

“There aren’t too many positives because we never got into our rhythm and only got going after they scored. To lose at home is really disappointing.

“I can’t put my finger on it but we will look back on the DVD and assess. We never got the ball down and played football. It just wasn’t our day.

“We’ve got a formula which seems to work at home and it’s given us license, but Oldham came and got amongst us and it worked for us.”

5:24pm

5:22pm

Cooper also revealed he had always planned to give Archibald-Henville 45 minutes today and that Darren Ward was taken off to give him a rest.

The Wiltshire Gazette and Herald: Swindon's Troy Archibald-Henville

TAH

“We planned to give Troy half a game and we are trying to keep Darren as fresh as we can for Wednesday.

“Massimo has played nearly every minute of every game, was tired, and had tight hamstrings, so maybe we should have taken him off at the break."

5:20pm

Cooper picked out Troy Archibald-Henville's display as a rare bright spot from today's game, despit ehis late red card.

The Wiltshire Gazette and Herald: Mark Cooper pictured yesterday

MARK COOPER

“We needed to compete, it wasn’t a day for pretty football, but I would suggest the only difference it they wanted it a little more than us.

“The only positive for me was Troy, who was outstanding when he came on, but the disappointment is he is now suspended.

“I thought the referee was very, very poor again and it was baffling, it was never a red card, but that isn’t an excuse because it was awful for both teams.

“Today has taught me that one or two players can talk a good game but can’t back it up.

“We started playing at 1-0 down and if we’d played like we did in the last 15 minutes from the beginning then we would have won.

“It was a day for grinding out a result like we did against Shrewsbury, Coventry and Peterborough but we didn’t do it today.”

5:15pm

Mark Cooper is now in the hot seat

5:14pm

Gladwin thought Town were the better side today.

The Wiltshire Gazette and Herald: Ben Gladwin

BEN GLADWIN

“It was disappointing to concede just after I came on but I thought we were the better team to be honest.

“We usually dominate the ball and conditions didn’t help so I think that played a part.”

5:11pm

Ben Gladwin is next to face the media. Looked good for the 10 minutes he had on the pitch I though.

5:10pm

Barker revelaed that manager Mark Cooper 'battered' the Town players following today's result.

The Wiltshire Gazette and Herald: Swindon Town's George Barker tries a shot against Gillingham

GEORGE BARKER

“Everyone’s disappointed coming off the pitch knowing we’ve lost. The gaffer came in and rightly battered us for not playing.

“We need to get the ball down and pass and just be patient. We’re a passing team and we weren’t in control.

“Oldham did well but for us we are successful at home and we try to get in the right areas, which we didn’t do, so it’s out own fault.

“I would have liked a few more touches but I’m still learning and that’s the way the game went.”

5:06pm

First up is George Barker.

 

5:06pm

4:56pm

Reaction to come but I would imagine Mr Cooper might want a word with his troops first.

4:55pm

What an awful game that was.

4:54pm

FULL-TIME: Swindon Town 0 Oldham 1 (Grounds 73)

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4:52pm

90+4 minutes: A late Town corner is cleared before the ref gives a free-kick for pushing.

4:50pm

RED CARD: Archibald-Henville is sent off after colliding with Wesolowski while on a run forward. The second yellow is produced and was perhaps a little harsh.

Five minutes added.

4:49pm

SUBSTITUTION: Worrall off to be replaced by Kissock. 88

4:46pm

Town are pushing, but just don't look like scoring. Gladwin looking decent.

4:42pm

I think Troy is convinced he is Titus Bramble. Dribbling out of defence and making runs up the pitch.

4:41pm

80 minutes: Foderingham has to come out of his box to clear a through ball but only picks out Philliskirk and the back-peddling keeper is fortunate to see his shot land on the roof of the net.

4:37pm

ATTENDANCE: 7,391 (198)

4:35pm

GOAL 1-0 Oldham (Grounds 73): The Oldham defender drills home through the legs of Branco after the Brazilian had previously blocked Stead’s near post effort.

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4:33pm

SUBSTITUTION: Cooper brings off Luongo and brings on Gladwin. 72

4:32pm

YELLOW CARD: Worrall goes into the book. 71

4:32pm

70 minutes: A great stop from Foderingham denies Stead as the keeper tips his looping header behind for a corner. Town clear after Nathan Thompson makes a great block to stop a shot.

4:30pm

YELLOW CARD: Archibald Henville puts in one booming tackle then charges into another with Grounds, but loses control of both the ball and his body and completely wipes him out. Very funny.

4:29pm

66 minutes: Luongo’s mistake allows Philliskirk to shoot but Foderingham dives to his left and is equal to it. The following corner goes out of play.

4:24pm

SUBSTITUTION: Jon Stead is on for Clarke-Harris. 64

The Wiltshire Gazette and Herald: Jon Stead celebrates his brace of goals at Barnsley. Picture: WARREN PAGE

BECAUSE I CAN

4:22pm

YELLOW CARD: Branco is booked for a late tackle on Philliskirk. 62

4:20pm

SUBSTITUTION: George Barker is replaced by Nile Ranger, who gets a huge cheer. 59

4:16pm

TAH is all over the shop positionally. Nile is about to come on.

4:16pm

56 minutes: Thompson again goes down in the box but there’s no penalty. Luongo then blasts wide.

4:14pm

Chants of 'there's only one Nile Ranger' are echoing around the ground. He's warming up.

4:13pm

52 minutes: Barker slips a delightful ball in behind for Byrne but the winger/defender’s low cross is just ahead of Smith. Better from Town.

4:12pm

50 minutes: The first shot of the second period is from Oldham’s Gary Harkins but it goes wide.

4:04pm

Nathan Thompson has taken the captaincy.

4:04pm

We are back in play

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4:03pm

SUBSTITUTION: Darren Ward is off at the break and replaced by the returning Troy Archibald-Henville. Can only assume Ward is injured.

3:59pm

YOUR SAY

3:57pm

Even the fans having a go at the half-time game were rubbish today.

3:56pm

LEAGUE ONE HALF-TIMES

Bristol City 0 Carlisle 1; Crewe 2 Sheff Utd 0; Gillingham 1 Port Vale 0; MK Dons 0 Tranmere 0; Preston 0 Notts County 0; Rotherham 1 Leyton Orient 0; Shrewsbury 0 Brentford 0; Swindon 0 Oldham 0; Wolves 1 Bradford 0.

3:50pm

Not an awful lot to say about that really. It was rubbish.

3:49pm

YOUR SAY

3:45pm Sat 1 Feb 14

The Jockster says

This is not good giving the ball away too easily lightweight midfield again and no running off the ball into space. Very poor overall so far.

3:48pm

HALF-TIME: Swindon Town 0 Oldham 0

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3:47pm

43 minutes: Thompson is brought down right on the edge of the box on the Town right but throws himself three yards into the Oldham area in a bid to win a penalty, but the ref isn’t fooled. From the free kick Ward heads wide.

One minute added.

3:42pm

This is probably the worst half of football I've seen this season. Oldham look slightly better than Town, but only slightly.

3:39pm

YELLOW CARD: Smith looked to get the ball but is booked for a foul  on Grounds. 35

3:36pm

32 minutes: Thompson knocks Philliskirk to the ground inside the area but the referee doesn’t give a penalty. Town are able to clear a spot of pinball in the area from a following corner.

3:35pm

29 minutes: Referee Robinson gives Town a soft free-kick on the edge of the box following Lockwood’s ‘foul’ on Smith, and after Harley’s low shot is poor Ward scuffs one towards goal which is cleared.

3:28pm

Nothing to report. Nothing at all.

3:25pm

20 minutes: Wesolowski shapes and shoots but it’s over the top.

3:21pm

The wind is blowing into Oldham's faces in this first half. Pretty heavy but nothing on last week.

3:20pm

15 minutes: Barker wins a corner which is headed down by Smith before it’s scrambled clear.

3:18pm

14 minutes: Harley lets fly from 30 yards and Oxley drops to block it away.

3:14pm

This is horrible.

3:14pm

Nine minutes: First chance of a disjointed game falls to Brighton but Worrall misses his kick when trying to connect with Grounds’ low cross.

3:09pm

This certainly doesn't look like being a classic, not by any stretch. The pitch has made it hard to pass along the floor and the ball is constantly getting stuck under players' feet. Still early days, though.

3:07pm

Three minutes: Korey Smith makes a run into the box and chops in a cross which Reckord turns behind for a corner, which is awful and goes out for a throw.

3:04pm

The County Ground pitch is looking pretty heavy and bobbly, but is that any surprise?

3:01pm

Handshakes done and Town will be attacking the Stratton Bank end once they've broken from their huddle.

3:01pm

Are mascots getting taller or are footballers getting shorter? The Town mascot is pretty much the same size as little Nathan Byrne.

The Wiltshire Gazette and Herald: Nathan Byrne in action on Saturday

NATHAN BYRNE

2:58pm

Here come the teams!

2:56pm

Liverpool manager Brendan Rodgers is here today to watch his son, who is on the bench for Oldham this afternoon.

The Wiltshire Gazette and Herald: Liverpool manager Brendan Rodgers, right, embraces his son Anton, left, at full time at Anfield

FATHER AND SON

 

2:53pm

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2:47pm

YOUR SAY

2:10pm Sat 1 Feb 14

Fernham Red says

5PM headline? : Lone Ranger arrives on the hour to save the day again

2:46pm

The stewards have been told to expect around 7,500 fans at the County Ground this afternoon.

2:44pm

Rockin Robin is out dancing and he's still awful.

The Wiltshire Gazette and Herald: Jack Smith is mobbed by Lee Peacock, Andy Caton and club mascot Rockin' Robin after levelling the match from the penalty spot last night Ref: 203874-58

ROCKIN ROBIN

(For legal reasons, I have to point out this comment is from Andy and not from Sam. It is a personal opinion and not that of the Swindon Advertiser)

2:39pm

The briefest of rain showers, which was pretty heavy, has come and gone.

2:39pm

DANGER MEN - Jonson Clarke-Harris

The Wiltshire Gazette and Herald: Debut time - Jonson Clarke-Harris made his debut for Southend as a late sub against Rotherham on Saturday

The young striker is Oldham's main goal threat at the moment and will no doubt be watched very closely. He's only scored six this season but has pace to burn and can get behind defenders if allowed.

2:35pm

DEPUTY SPORTS EDITOR ANDY WARREN: Hopefully the make-up of the midfield will allow Massimo Luongo to enjoy a bit more freedom today, with Harley perhaps playing a quarterback role and Thompson staying home.

The Aussie's form has picked up in recent weeks following a mini slump but, for me, he's at his best when making driving runs from midfield as Kevin MacDonald had him doing at the end of last season.

The Wiltshire Gazette and Herald: Town's Massimo Luongo, left, celebrates his goal with Nathan Byrne

MASSIMO LUONGO

2:32pm

CHARITY BET

Another go.

SAM: Swindon Town 3 Oldham Athletic 1, Michael Smith first scorer - 70/1

ANDY: Swindon Town 2 Oldham Athletic 0, Massimo Luongo first scorer - 55/1

2:22pm

LEAGUE ONE FIXTURES

Bristol City v Carlisle, Preston v Notts County, Wolves v Bradford, Shrewsbury v Brentford, Rotherham v Leyton Orient, MK Dons v Tranmere, Crewe v Sheff Utd, Coventry v Walsall, Gillingham v Port Vale.

2:22pm

The two sets of players aere out for their respective warm-ups. Terrific to see Troy Archibald-Henville, Tijane Reis and Alex Smith back involed on a matchday.

2:20pm

BREAKING TEAM NEWS

Swindon Town v Oldham Athletic: Oxley; Brown, Lockwood, Wilson; Grounds; Worrall, Wesolowksi, Smith, Harkins; Clarke-Harris. Philliskirk.

Subs: Rachubka, Stead, Millier, Rodgers, Dayton, Kissock, Millar.

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2:20pm

The line coming out of Swindon Town is that Yaser Kasim has not been risked today as he is one yellow card away from a two-match ban.

The Wiltshire Gazette and Herald: Yaser Kasim celebrates his goal against Coventry

NOT INVOLVED: YASER KASIM

Presumably, manager Mark Cooper is taking into account the Johnstone's Paint Trophy southern section area final first leg trip to Peterborough United on Wednesday.

2:16pm

YOUR SAY

2:14pm

MAN IN THE MIDDLE

Our referee today is Tim Robinson and he's making his County Ground debut.

The West Sussex official has only taken charge of one Swindon Town game before - the 1-0 victory at Colchester in February last year.

This season he has dished out 61 yellows and two red cards in 19 appearances this season.

2:14pm

DEPUTY SPORTS EDITOR ANDY WARREN: There's a bit of confusion surrounding Nile Ranger this afternoon (when isn't there).

The Wiltshire Gazette and Herald: Nile Ranger challenges with Coventry's Dan Seabourne

NILE RANGER

The striker arrived at the County Ground in the back of a 4x4 Mercedes at around half one but after getting out went back to the car again down the end of the car park with a gaggle of stewards.

Around 20 minutes later I watched as his car was guided down the County Ground drive before he entered the ground just before 1.50pm.

He's on the bench today.

2:07pm

YOUR SAY
More thoughts, now, on Swindon Town's January transfer business...

2:07pm

George Barker makes his full debut for Swindon Town this afternoon.

2:03pm

As reported, then, Yaser Kasim misses out. Nile Ranger drops to the bench. He only entered the County Ground at around 1.50pm - I'll leave my colleague Andy Warren to tell that story.

2:01pm

BREAKING TEAM NEWS

SWINDON TOWN v Oldham Athletic: Foderingham; N Thompson, Branco, Ward, Reckord; L Thompson, Luongo, Harley; Byrne, M Smith, Barker

Substitutes: Belford, Barthram, Archibald-Henville, A Smith, Gladwin, Reis, Ranger

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1:58pm

YOUR SAY
More thoughts on Town's January transfer business...

1:55pm

YOUR SAY

1:54pm Sat 1 Feb 14

jayden says

See Posh had there game called off must make Weds game in danger of being off.

I spoke to my equivalent in Peterborough yesterday and he said he doubted the pitch would dry out in time. 

1:54pm

There are suggestions afoot that Yaser Kasim will not be involved in the Swindon Town squad today. We'll get confirmation of that in around six minutes when the teamsheets arrive.

1:52pm

YOUR SAY
We've been asking Town fans on Twitter what they have made of the club's business in the January transfer window.m Here are some answers...
 

 

1:48pm

LAST TIME OUT

The last time Oldham came to the County Ground the two sides drew 1-1, thanks to Adam Rooney's spectacular overhead kick for the Robins.

The Wiltshire Gazette and Herald: DENIED AGAIN: Adam Rooney leaps in frustration as another chance goes begging against Oldham

ADAM ROONEY IN ACTION AGAINST OLDHAM LAST YEAR

You can relive that day by flicking through the Adver's live blog right here.

1:45pm

Back in October, Swindon Town visited Boundary Park to face Oldham. It wasn't the greatest day out...

1:43pm

YOUR SAY

1:17pm Sat 1 Feb 14

mrwoo says

I can't make it either, stuck in the bar at Glasgow airport, reckon I'll make the county ground hotel by 16:30. Still my sons step dad is using my ticket today. Reckon when I renew next season will be Swindon's furthest away season ticket holder, anyone beat 400 miles?

There is a gent who flies over to watch from Dublin every week. Not sure who's further. 

1:41pm

YOUR SAY

12:23pm Sat 1 Feb 14

jayden says

All though a season ticket holder I can't go today, so good luck lads I hope for a 4-0 win.

1:41pm

1:38pm

TEAM NEWS

Nothing official until 2pm but here's a quick rundown of how the Swindon Town squad is shaping up ahead of today's fixture.

Troy Archibald-Henville, Tijane Reis and Alex Smith are all available to manager Mark Cooper following their recoveries from knee surgery.

The Wiltshire Gazette and Herald: Tijane Reis, left, blocks a clearance from Posh's Craig Alcock

AVAILABLE: TIJANE REIS

Jay McEveley, however, misses out with a knee problem of his own and Ryan Mason is also absent due to a side strain.

Alex Pritchard, meanwhile, sits out the first match of a two-game ban having accrued 10 yellow cards over the course of the campaign.

1:35pm

YOUR SAY

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1:33pm

Stick with me right here for all the very best build-up to the 3pm kick-off, followed by in-play updates and reaction.

Buckle up and enjoy!

1:33pm

Oldham, under the stewardship of 32-year-old manager Lee Johnson, are the visitors to the County Ground.

The Latics drafted in three new signings on transfer deadline day, including striker Jon Stead, but lost centre-back James Tarkwoski to Brentford.

Nevertheless, they will be a tough proposition for Mark Cooper's Robins, who are looking to improve an already impressive home record this season.

1:32pm

After taking a point from their trip to Walsall on Tuesday and beating Shrewsbury Town a week ago, Swindon will be hoping to extend their unbeaten streak to three matches today.

1:30pm

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12:23pm Sat 1 Feb 14

jayden says...

All though a season ticket holder I can't go today, so good luck lads I hope for a 4-0 win.
All though a season ticket holder I can't go today, so good luck lads I hope for a 4-0 win. jayden
  • Score: 2

12:54pm Sat 1 Feb 14

itslove says...

I was the one who wanted us to go on a losing run so that Power would go and Mr Cooper . Power im not sure about at all . Cooper Im sure hes a nice bloke a good manager too . Can he take us to the level we want , maybe not . that is my problem with him . He was bought in as a no 2 , and that suits him best . I think we need a experienced bigger name manager . My view . However we can still make the top 6 . we can get to the paint final , all isn't lost here . So I still would like Power to leave us , Im still unsure about Coopers ability to take us above div1 level , and play a plan a , b , c and not just a a plan . But I love the club , so I hope we can go on a good run and get top 6 and to the paint final . A win today would go down fine . Ive changed my mind , Im swallowing humble pie . I think Power will sell out pretty soon anyway . Cooper will be judged on achievements come May 2014 .
I was the one who wanted us to go on a losing run so that Power would go and Mr Cooper . Power im not sure about at all . Cooper Im sure hes a nice bloke a good manager too . Can he take us to the level we want , maybe not . that is my problem with him . He was bought in as a no 2 , and that suits him best . I think we need a experienced bigger name manager . My view . However we can still make the top 6 . we can get to the paint final , all isn't lost here . So I still would like Power to leave us , Im still unsure about Coopers ability to take us above div1 level , and play a plan a , b , c and not just a a plan . But I love the club , so I hope we can go on a good run and get top 6 and to the paint final . A win today would go down fine . Ive changed my mind , Im swallowing humble pie . I think Power will sell out pretty soon anyway . Cooper will be judged on achievements come May 2014 . itslove
  • Score: -6

1:11pm Sat 1 Feb 14

Oxon-Red says...

itslove wrote:
I was the one who wanted us to go on a losing run so that Power would go and Mr Cooper . Power im not sure about at all . Cooper Im sure hes a nice bloke a good manager too . Can he take us to the level we want , maybe not . that is my problem with him . He was bought in as a no 2 , and that suits him best . I think we need a experienced bigger name manager . My view . However we can still make the top 6 . we can get to the paint final , all isn't lost here . So I still would like Power to leave us , Im still unsure about Coopers ability to take us above div1 level , and play a plan a , b , c and not just a a plan . But I love the club , so I hope we can go on a good run and get top 6 and to the paint final . A win today would go down fine . Ive changed my mind , Im swallowing humble pie . I think Power will sell out pretty soon anyway . Cooper will be judged on achievements come May 2014 .
Fair play for changing your views but I find it hard to understand why any fan would want their team to lose, even if it does reult in the outcome you want.

Everyone should be given a chance, especially a novice manager. New managers (and players) have to start somewhere to get the experience that could make them a good manager/player. Ferguson, Moyes, Wenger, Jose etc were all less famous players that started somewhere.

Not sure what you would base your May judgement on but at the end of the season only 3 clubs from 24 will gain promotion. Should the other 21 get rid of their manager for failing ?

COYMR
[quote][p][bold]itslove[/bold] wrote: I was the one who wanted us to go on a losing run so that Power would go and Mr Cooper . Power im not sure about at all . Cooper Im sure hes a nice bloke a good manager too . Can he take us to the level we want , maybe not . that is my problem with him . He was bought in as a no 2 , and that suits him best . I think we need a experienced bigger name manager . My view . However we can still make the top 6 . we can get to the paint final , all isn't lost here . So I still would like Power to leave us , Im still unsure about Coopers ability to take us above div1 level , and play a plan a , b , c and not just a a plan . But I love the club , so I hope we can go on a good run and get top 6 and to the paint final . A win today would go down fine . Ive changed my mind , Im swallowing humble pie . I think Power will sell out pretty soon anyway . Cooper will be judged on achievements come May 2014 .[/p][/quote]Fair play for changing your views but I find it hard to understand why any fan would want their team to lose, even if it does reult in the outcome you want. Everyone should be given a chance, especially a novice manager. New managers (and players) have to start somewhere to get the experience that could make them a good manager/player. Ferguson, Moyes, Wenger, Jose etc were all less famous players that started somewhere. Not sure what you would base your May judgement on but at the end of the season only 3 clubs from 24 will gain promotion. Should the other 21 get rid of their manager for failing ? COYMR Oxon-Red
  • Score: 4

1:17pm Sat 1 Feb 14

mrwoo says...

I can't make it either, stuck in the bar at Glasgow airport, reckon I'll make the county ground hotel by 16:30. Still my sons step dad is using my ticket today. Reckon when I renew next season will be Swindon's furthest away season ticket holder, anyone beat 400 miles?
I can't make it either, stuck in the bar at Glasgow airport, reckon I'll make the county ground hotel by 16:30. Still my sons step dad is using my ticket today. Reckon when I renew next season will be Swindon's furthest away season ticket holder, anyone beat 400 miles? mrwoo
  • Score: 1

1:25pm Sat 1 Feb 14

itslove says...

We need to get in the Championship, not get stuck in div 1 . We can win the play offs , it can be done . We have to go for a target , that should be it . Id say if Cooper gets us top 6 , he keeps his job . Top 10 maybe . Below top 10 think we need to look again . But we are gunna make top 6 now , we have to go for it , cough and splutter we might , but we have to think we can do that . Its never easy even if your side is playing great football, its always hard to achieve any promotion.
We need to get in the Championship, not get stuck in div 1 . We can win the play offs , it can be done . We have to go for a target , that should be it . Id say if Cooper gets us top 6 , he keeps his job . Top 10 maybe . Below top 10 think we need to look again . But we are gunna make top 6 now , we have to go for it , cough and splutter we might , but we have to think we can do that . Its never easy even if your side is playing great football, its always hard to achieve any promotion. itslove
  • Score: -1

1:54pm Sat 1 Feb 14

jayden says...

See Posh had there game called off must make Weds game in danger of being off.
See Posh had there game called off must make Weds game in danger of being off. jayden
  • Score: -1

2:04pm Sat 1 Feb 14

Fernham Red says...

Predictions:

Wes
Nathan Troy Branco Jack
Luongo Louis Kasim Byrne
Smith Nile

Ward rested; Harley, Storey and Barker used as subs

A 3-1 town home win again (Smith, Ranger & Storey)

Attendence: 7,300
Predictions: Wes Nathan Troy Branco Jack Luongo Louis Kasim Byrne Smith Nile Ward rested; Harley, Storey and Barker used as subs A 3-1 town home win again (Smith, Ranger & Storey) Attendence: 7,300 Fernham Red
  • Score: -1

2:10pm Sat 1 Feb 14

Fernham Red says...

5PM headline? : Lone Ranger arrives on the hour to save the day again
5PM headline? : Lone Ranger arrives on the hour to save the day again Fernham Red
  • Score: 0

2:51pm Sat 1 Feb 14

Reddie-91 says...

Not much optimism on your poll. Oldham to get a narrow win, seriously? coyr.
Not much optimism on your poll. Oldham to get a narrow win, seriously? coyr. Reddie-91
  • Score: 0

3:04pm Sat 1 Feb 14

The Jockster says...

Strange decision by Cooper to drop Kasim(9 yellows) saving for the paint pot!l league surely must come first?
Strange decision by Cooper to drop Kasim(9 yellows) saving for the paint pot!l league surely must come first? The Jockster
  • Score: 0

3:10pm Sat 1 Feb 14

smirg kcab says...

Sorry ranger benched you should be ashamed
Sorry ranger benched you should be ashamed smirg kcab
  • Score: 0

3:13pm Sat 1 Feb 14

mancrobin says...

Hope Troy gets on for some minutes today.
Hope Troy gets on for some minutes today. mancrobin
  • Score: -1

3:23pm Sat 1 Feb 14

smirg kcab says...

Sorry cooper this is Shiit get out now
Sorry cooper this is Shiit get out now smirg kcab
  • Score: 3

3:26pm Sat 1 Feb 14

smirg kcab says...

Byrne get that twaat off
Byrne get that twaat off smirg kcab
  • Score: 0

3:45pm Sat 1 Feb 14

The Jockster says...

This is not good giving the ball away too easily lightweight midfield again and no running off the ball into space. Very poor overall so far.
This is not good giving the ball away too easily lightweight midfield again and no running off the ball into space. Very poor overall so far. The Jockster
  • Score: 0

3:54pm Sat 1 Feb 14

smirg kcab says...

Clueless cooper
RNger or cooper ? Sorry I've had it with you cooper
You need the points who's this bloke from Brighton who hasn't touched the ball yet,? Congrats to Byrne who's lost every ball,
Pathetic shambolic swindle town
Clueless cooper RNger or cooper ? Sorry I've had it with you cooper You need the points who's this bloke from Brighton who hasn't touched the ball yet,? Congrats to Byrne who's lost every ball, Pathetic shambolic swindle town smirg kcab
  • Score: 3

4:33pm Sat 1 Feb 14

The Jockster says...

It just got worse- we are dire!
It just got worse- we are dire! The Jockster
  • Score: 2

5:10pm Sat 1 Feb 14

Scouse Red says...

Well i'm normally a half full kinda guy but that was bloody awful from start to finish. Absolutely clueless with and without the ball. As good as we was coming on, why the hell did we make a centre half substation at half time, and by all accounts one which was pre-planned i understand before the match even started.
Byrne had a shocker (as did a few others to be fair) andJamie Reckord is not a great left back (maybe in the dressing room?). Then to take off our only creative midfield player and bring Gladwin on who touched the ball about twice was pathetic.

Poor performance. Actually, crap performance and tactics from Cooperman were dire and i've supported him most of the season.

Peterborough away on Wednesday anyone?
(sorry folks for the negativity - I'm sure a few others may feel the same after suffering that!)
Well i'm normally a half full kinda guy but that was bloody awful from start to finish. Absolutely clueless with and without the ball. As good as we was coming on, why the hell did we make a centre half substation at half time, and by all accounts one which was pre-planned i understand before the match even started. Byrne had a shocker (as did a few others to be fair) andJamie Reckord is not a great left back (maybe in the dressing room?). Then to take off our only creative midfield player and bring Gladwin on who touched the ball about twice was pathetic. Poor performance. Actually, crap performance and tactics from Cooperman were dire and i've supported him most of the season. Peterborough away on Wednesday anyone? (sorry folks for the negativity - I'm sure a few others may feel the same after suffering that!) Scouse Red
  • Score: 8

5:16pm Sat 1 Feb 14

umpcah says...

Playoffs ? Bah !
Playoffs ? Bah ! umpcah
  • Score: 4

5:16pm Sat 1 Feb 14

Scouse Red says...

smirg kcab wrote:
Byrne get that twaat off
He had a shocker and made the wrong decision almost every time.
[quote][p][bold]smirg kcab[/bold] wrote: Byrne get that twaat off[/p][/quote]He had a shocker and made the wrong decision almost every time. Scouse Red
  • Score: 6

5:18pm Sat 1 Feb 14

Scouse Red says...

The Jockster wrote:
It just got worse- we are dire!
for the whole game Sir. Worst home performance in some time.
[quote][p][bold]The Jockster[/bold] wrote: It just got worse- we are dire![/p][/quote]for the whole game Sir. Worst home performance in some time. Scouse Red
  • Score: 3

5:19pm Sat 1 Feb 14

Scouse Red says...

mancrobin wrote:
Hope Troy gets on for some minutes today.
He was very good when he came on, stupid red card will rule him out when he probably was in line to play on Wednesday.
[quote][p][bold]mancrobin[/bold] wrote: Hope Troy gets on for some minutes today.[/p][/quote]He was very good when he came on, stupid red card will rule him out when he probably was in line to play on Wednesday. Scouse Red
  • Score: 2

5:22pm Sat 1 Feb 14

eyesrightskinbacktight says...

The Jockster wrote:
It just got worse- we are dire!
That was truly shocking we can't afford to even contemplate the playoffs those sides are playing far better football and will embarrass us on live tv this is the wake up call we need. Losing at home to lower placed opposition once again shouldbprove were nowhere near as good as some think
[quote][p][bold]The Jockster[/bold] wrote: It just got worse- we are dire![/p][/quote]That was truly shocking we can't afford to even contemplate the playoffs those sides are playing far better football and will embarrass us on live tv this is the wake up call we need. Losing at home to lower placed opposition once again shouldbprove were nowhere near as good as some think eyesrightskinbacktight
  • Score: 2

5:22pm Sat 1 Feb 14

eyesrightskinbacktight says...

The Jockster wrote:
It just got worse- we are dire!
That was truly shocking we can't afford to even contemplate the playoffs those sides are playing far better football and will embarrass us on live tv this is the wake up call we need. Losing at home to lower placed opposition once again shouldbprove were nowhere near as good as some think
[quote][p][bold]The Jockster[/bold] wrote: It just got worse- we are dire![/p][/quote]That was truly shocking we can't afford to even contemplate the playoffs those sides are playing far better football and will embarrass us on live tv this is the wake up call we need. Losing at home to lower placed opposition once again shouldbprove were nowhere near as good as some think eyesrightskinbacktight
  • Score: 2

5:39pm Sat 1 Feb 14

alchafreds says...

absolute disgraceful performance as a team and even worse for some individuals byrne harley barker nowhere near good enough and cooper well that goes without saying
absolute disgraceful performance as a team and even worse for some individuals byrne harley barker nowhere near good enough and cooper well that goes without saying alchafreds
  • Score: -1

6:04pm Sat 1 Feb 14

smirg kcab says...

And yet again the swindle fans clap them off.
Byrne must have a clause to say he must play some part, if that's the case we are doomed.
Transfer window shut time for change mr power.
Dire dire dire dire pathetic.
Saying that we should have been stuffed in our last 3 home games
The futures cooper, is it hell

Ik
And yet again the swindle fans clap them off. Byrne must have a clause to say he must play some part, if that's the case we are doomed. Transfer window shut time for change mr power. Dire dire dire dire pathetic. Saying that we should have been stuffed in our last 3 home games The futures cooper, is it hell Ik smirg kcab
  • Score: 0

6:19pm Sat 1 Feb 14

Di kanny oh says...

What a shambles today and made even worse by the admission by Cooper that Ward would get 45 mins and Troy would come on, and Luongo had played nearly every minute of every game and was suffering with tight hamstrings??? so why play them and waste two substitutes. Just How Byrne and Reckord stayed on for the whole game is beyond me and I have to question Coopers thinking. Yes its quite obvious the money spinner is a trip to Wembley and players like Kasim were saved today but why on earth throw a game away like today with such inept tactics. Reckord is a shocking defender and Byrne had a stinker last week and played even worse this game yet gets 90 minutes. How can a footballer fail to lift the ball off the ground surely this is simple basics yet Byrne did this time and time again and hit the first man almost every time. Today we actually got what we deserved for once and lost all three points and have been extremely lucky with results when winning against the better sides. Very disappointed in Barker today and very worried to think we paid a fee for him ,lets hope he has more to offer than that performance. Two crap teams today and a million miles from play offs so hopefully fans will realize that we were never serious contenders.
What a shambles today and made even worse by the admission by Cooper that Ward would get 45 mins and Troy would come on, and Luongo had played nearly every minute of every game and was suffering with tight hamstrings??? so why play them and waste two substitutes. Just How Byrne and Reckord stayed on for the whole game is beyond me and I have to question Coopers thinking. Yes its quite obvious the money spinner is a trip to Wembley and players like Kasim were saved today but why on earth throw a game away like today with such inept tactics. Reckord is a shocking defender and Byrne had a stinker last week and played even worse this game yet gets 90 minutes. How can a footballer fail to lift the ball off the ground surely this is simple basics yet Byrne did this time and time again and hit the first man almost every time. Today we actually got what we deserved for once and lost all three points and have been extremely lucky with results when winning against the better sides. Very disappointed in Barker today and very worried to think we paid a fee for him ,lets hope he has more to offer than that performance. Two crap teams today and a million miles from play offs so hopefully fans will realize that we were never serious contenders. Di kanny oh
  • Score: 11

6:22pm Sat 1 Feb 14

Haydonender says...

I am usually what some of you would refer to as a happy clapper, but I can find very little to be positive about. I consider myself a realist, I expected mid table and inconsistent performances. However what I hoped to see was some good football along the way and young players giving everything for the shirt and for their future in the game. Unfortunately, I have not seen much of either in recent times.

The officials were crap but they did not cost us the game, we were just woeful, can't remember their keeper making a save. Harley, Byrne, Smith, Reckord and Louis T were extremely lucky we could only make 3 subs.

I am sick to death of watching our lightweight players get bullied when we have possession and then when the opposition does, just wander around the pitch, making no effort to tackle anyone. Cooper says they wanted it more than us, that was obvious but its not acceptable. He needs to pick a team that is going to put up a fight
I am usually what some of you would refer to as a happy clapper, but I can find very little to be positive about. I consider myself a realist, I expected mid table and inconsistent performances. However what I hoped to see was some good football along the way and young players giving everything for the shirt and for their future in the game. Unfortunately, I have not seen much of either in recent times. The officials were crap but they did not cost us the game, we were just woeful, can't remember their keeper making a save. Harley, Byrne, Smith, Reckord and Louis T were extremely lucky we could only make 3 subs. I am sick to death of watching our lightweight players get bullied when we have possession and then when the opposition does, just wander around the pitch, making no effort to tackle anyone. Cooper says they wanted it more than us, that was obvious but its not acceptable. He needs to pick a team that is going to put up a fight Haydonender
  • Score: 9

6:32pm Sat 1 Feb 14

the don69 says...

Woeful any fans thinking we had a chance of the play-off's? that will have finally killed it off, we still need 5 wins and a couple of draws to be safe and after that dire performance makes you wonder where there coming from? kick some @ss Coops! your players were awful simply not acceptable, get them in early Sunday morning and put them through it!!!!!!!!!!!
Woeful any fans thinking we had a chance of the play-off's? that will have finally killed it off, we still need 5 wins and a couple of draws to be safe and after that dire performance makes you wonder where there coming from? kick some @ss Coops! your players were awful simply not acceptable, get them in early Sunday morning and put them through it!!!!!!!!!!! the don69
  • Score: 9

6:41pm Sat 1 Feb 14

Wilesy says...

Think that's the final confirmation if it was needed that play offs are out of reach. A woeful performance compounded by the two of the worst individual attacking performances of the season from Byrne and Barker. Barker getting his big chance was actually backing away from the ball and headers, shocking stuff, just wasn't involved, and Byrne whilst putting in the effort and getting into positions sent in crosses worse than Alan o'Brian on his worst day. I'm normally positive but not today, that was awful, and it would have been nice to know that we were going to approach the game with an eye on Posh and treat it half heartedly as I would have done the same and stayed at home. Cooper that was terrible.
Think that's the final confirmation if it was needed that play offs are out of reach. A woeful performance compounded by the two of the worst individual attacking performances of the season from Byrne and Barker. Barker getting his big chance was actually backing away from the ball and headers, shocking stuff, just wasn't involved, and Byrne whilst putting in the effort and getting into positions sent in crosses worse than Alan o'Brian on his worst day. I'm normally positive but not today, that was awful, and it would have been nice to know that we were going to approach the game with an eye on Posh and treat it half heartedly as I would have done the same and stayed at home. Cooper that was terrible. Wilesy
  • Score: 6

6:44pm Sat 1 Feb 14

The Jockster says...

Watching the rugger far more exciting lol!
Watching the rugger far more exciting lol! The Jockster
  • Score: -9

6:47pm Sat 1 Feb 14

stigger says...

Positives- Wes, including outstanding save, Nathan (who last few games is like last season), Troy when on (looked like the footballing cb that would suit way we now play - 2nd yellow undeserved, first totally deserved), Ranger when on, I thought Gladwin showed some good touches and passes when on
Negatives - Byrne was beyond woeful, Barker was he playing??, Ward still worries me this season, Reckord looks poor signing so far (hope he proves me wrong), Harley and Luongo poor in cm. Thought Louis, Branco and Smith were ok if not great. Overall poor day at office but is at least good to think we should have a full squad soon as Mason< Mcevely injuries not serious and Pritchard only out one more game. COYR
Positives- Wes, including outstanding save, Nathan (who last few games is like last season), Troy when on (looked like the footballing cb that would suit way we now play - 2nd yellow undeserved, first totally deserved), Ranger when on, I thought Gladwin showed some good touches and passes when on Negatives - Byrne was beyond woeful, Barker was he playing??, Ward still worries me this season, Reckord looks poor signing so far (hope he proves me wrong), Harley and Luongo poor in cm. Thought Louis, Branco and Smith were ok if not great. Overall poor day at office but is at least good to think we should have a full squad soon as Mason< Mcevely injuries not serious and Pritchard only out one more game. COYR stigger
  • Score: 4

6:55pm Sat 1 Feb 14

The Jockster says...

We were truly awful today and I can't add to the observations of others except to say Wes MOM (for keeping us in it for so long) ,and we had one shot on goal all game!!!, yes we must question Coopers tactics- no Ranger to start and Kasim on the sidelines and his admission that Byrnes hamstrings are knackered. We
They wanted it more he says? Well sorry MC it's your job to motivate them to make sure we want it more!
Those hardy souls heading for Posh on Wednesday must be wishing they'd kept their money in their pocket on today's showing.
We were truly awful today and I can't add to the observations of others except to say Wes MOM (for keeping us in it for so long) ,and we had one shot on goal all game!!!, yes we must question Coopers tactics- no Ranger to start and Kasim on the sidelines and his admission that Byrnes hamstrings are knackered. We They wanted it more he says? Well sorry MC it's your job to motivate them to make sure we want it more! Those hardy souls heading for Posh on Wednesday must be wishing they'd kept their money in their pocket on today's showing. The Jockster
  • Score: 0

7:01pm Sat 1 Feb 14

Swindon1984 says...

The Jockster wrote:
We were truly awful today and I can't add to the observations of others except to say Wes MOM (for keeping us in it for so long) ,and we had one shot on goal all game!!!, yes we must question Coopers tactics- no Ranger to start and Kasim on the sidelines and his admission that Byrnes hamstrings are knackered. We
They wanted it more he says? Well sorry MC it's your job to motivate them to make sure we want it more!
Those hardy souls heading for Posh on Wednesday must be wishing they'd kept their money in their pocket on today's showing.
Can't add much to that, worst match I've seen at the county ground in a long time. Never looked like we wanted to play let alone win. Really was an insult to the fans - given the freezing cold and wet I genuinely wish I'd stayed in bed. Can take losing but not lack of effort or heart. We're bound to get found out sooner or later at home, have been fortunate with our recent wins. Anyway, lots more football to play. Redeem yourselves on Wednesday lads.
[quote][p][bold]The Jockster[/bold] wrote: We were truly awful today and I can't add to the observations of others except to say Wes MOM (for keeping us in it for so long) ,and we had one shot on goal all game!!!, yes we must question Coopers tactics- no Ranger to start and Kasim on the sidelines and his admission that Byrnes hamstrings are knackered. We They wanted it more he says? Well sorry MC it's your job to motivate them to make sure we want it more! Those hardy souls heading for Posh on Wednesday must be wishing they'd kept their money in their pocket on today's showing.[/p][/quote]Can't add much to that, worst match I've seen at the county ground in a long time. Never looked like we wanted to play let alone win. Really was an insult to the fans - given the freezing cold and wet I genuinely wish I'd stayed in bed. Can take losing but not lack of effort or heart. We're bound to get found out sooner or later at home, have been fortunate with our recent wins. Anyway, lots more football to play. Redeem yourselves on Wednesday lads. Swindon1984
  • Score: 5

7:18pm Sat 1 Feb 14

Moonraker55 says...

I can understand the disappointment of supporters paying money to see today's performance. And it shows only too well the lack of experience in midfield is hampering us. Troy charging up field didn't encourage the youngsters in the way it should have and that's because they need some one amongst them who will cajole, yell and encourage, whilst he himself keeps it simple. The irony is that character is registered to play for Swindon but he is not registered to play football: Mr Fogotten - Alan Navarro. But todays performance was significant in another way. Power brought in loanees to get us started but tactics have changed and today was the first time this season you saw a pure Swindon Team. Coops understands what he has to deal with. He says some players talk better than they play and he knows "work in progress" is not for one year but possibly three. Which is why the supporters must be patient. It will get slowly better. If we get on the players backs we will make it worse because there are no midfield generals to take care of the youngsters. They are having to learn the hard way. And I agree, I don't want to pay cash to see performances like today but for the teams sake I have to stay positive and I encourage you all to do likewise
I can understand the disappointment of supporters paying money to see today's performance. And it shows only too well the lack of experience in midfield is hampering us. Troy charging up field didn't encourage the youngsters in the way it should have and that's because they need some one amongst them who will cajole, yell and encourage, whilst he himself keeps it simple. The irony is that character is registered to play for Swindon but he is not registered to play football: Mr Fogotten - Alan Navarro. But todays performance was significant in another way. Power brought in loanees to get us started but tactics have changed and today was the first time this season you saw a pure Swindon Team. Coops understands what he has to deal with. He says some players talk better than they play and he knows "work in progress" is not for one year but possibly three. Which is why the supporters must be patient. It will get slowly better. If we get on the players backs we will make it worse because there are no midfield generals to take care of the youngsters. They are having to learn the hard way. And I agree, I don't want to pay cash to see performances like today but for the teams sake I have to stay positive and I encourage you all to do likewise Moonraker55
  • Score: 15

7:34pm Sat 1 Feb 14

mancrobin says...

Scouse Red wrote:
mancrobin wrote:
Hope Troy gets on for some minutes today.
He was very good when he came on, stupid red card will rule him out when he probably was in line to play on Wednesday.
Thanks Scouse. Frustrating but maybe showing signs that he can become the experienced centre back to give Wardy a break.
[quote][p][bold]Scouse Red[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mancrobin[/bold] wrote: Hope Troy gets on for some minutes today.[/p][/quote]He was very good when he came on, stupid red card will rule him out when he probably was in line to play on Wednesday.[/p][/quote]Thanks Scouse. Frustrating but maybe showing signs that he can become the experienced centre back to give Wardy a break. mancrobin
  • Score: 0

7:34pm Sat 1 Feb 14

red white says...

The point is............
The point is............ red white
  • Score: 0

7:36pm Sat 1 Feb 14

red white says...

The point is............

We all wanted us to win.
The point is............ We all wanted us to win. red white
  • Score: 1

7:41pm Sat 1 Feb 14

The Jockster says...

The Jockster wrote:
We were truly awful today and I can't add to the observations of others except to say Wes MOM (for keeping us in it for so long) ,and we had one shot on goal all game!!!, yes we must question Coopers tactics- no Ranger to start and Kasim on the sidelines and his admission that Byrnes hamstrings are knackered. We
They wanted it more he says? Well sorry MC it's your job to motivate them to make sure we want it more!
Those hardy souls heading for Posh on Wednesday must be wishing they'd kept their money in their pocket on today's showing.
Dear dipstick minus voter please tell me where in my post I've said anything different to anyone else on here today? - that's of course you've got the balls to come out of the closet to start with!
[quote][p][bold]The Jockster[/bold] wrote: We were truly awful today and I can't add to the observations of others except to say Wes MOM (for keeping us in it for so long) ,and we had one shot on goal all game!!!, yes we must question Coopers tactics- no Ranger to start and Kasim on the sidelines and his admission that Byrnes hamstrings are knackered. We They wanted it more he says? Well sorry MC it's your job to motivate them to make sure we want it more! Those hardy souls heading for Posh on Wednesday must be wishing they'd kept their money in their pocket on today's showing.[/p][/quote]Dear dipstick minus voter please tell me where in my post I've said anything different to anyone else on here today? - that's of course you've got the balls to come out of the closet to start with! The Jockster
  • Score: -20

7:44pm Sat 1 Feb 14

Oxon-Red says...

Disappointing performance today and as bad as we were I didn't think Oldham were much better. First real save for Wes was on 66 minutes.

Byrne getting a bit of criticism but he was one player that was prepared to taken on his defender and he did provide one great ball in that wasn't attacked.

Distinct lack of decent movement in midfield and Barker/Byrne played far too wide off a lone striker IMO. Positives for me Troy returning, Alex Smth and Reis on the bench and Ben Gladwin who looked difficult to shake off the ball and put in several good forward balls.

Didn't know the reason for Kasim's omission but do understand it in a way as the receipts from a Wembley final could provide funding for players for this/next season.


Totally back Moonraker55' comments.

COYMR
Disappointing performance today and as bad as we were I didn't think Oldham were much better. First real save for Wes was on 66 minutes. Byrne getting a bit of criticism but he was one player that was prepared to taken on his defender and he did provide one great ball in that wasn't attacked. Distinct lack of decent movement in midfield and Barker/Byrne played far too wide off a lone striker IMO. Positives for me Troy returning, Alex Smth and Reis on the bench and Ben Gladwin who looked difficult to shake off the ball and put in several good forward balls. Didn't know the reason for Kasim's omission but do understand it in a way as the receipts from a Wembley final could provide funding for players for this/next season. Totally back Moonraker55' comments. COYMR Oxon-Red
  • Score: 2

7:49pm Sat 1 Feb 14

Oxon-Red says...

The Jockster wrote:
The Jockster wrote:
We were truly awful today and I can't add to the observations of others except to say Wes MOM (for keeping us in it for so long) ,and we had one shot on goal all game!!!, yes we must question Coopers tactics- no Ranger to start and Kasim on the sidelines and his admission that Byrnes hamstrings are knackered. We
They wanted it more he says? Well sorry MC it's your job to motivate them to make sure we want it more!
Those hardy souls heading for Posh on Wednesday must be wishing they'd kept their money in their pocket on today's showing.
Dear dipstick minus voter please tell me where in my post I've said anything different to anyone else on here today? - that's of course you've got the balls to come out of the closet to start with!
Wasn't me I only hit the positive button in general, the minus button is for the 4/5 word WUMs that make a statement but can't back it up.

COYMR
[quote][p][bold]The Jockster[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The Jockster[/bold] wrote: We were truly awful today and I can't add to the observations of others except to say Wes MOM (for keeping us in it for so long) ,and we had one shot on goal all game!!!, yes we must question Coopers tactics- no Ranger to start and Kasim on the sidelines and his admission that Byrnes hamstrings are knackered. We They wanted it more he says? Well sorry MC it's your job to motivate them to make sure we want it more! Those hardy souls heading for Posh on Wednesday must be wishing they'd kept their money in their pocket on today's showing.[/p][/quote]Dear dipstick minus voter please tell me where in my post I've said anything different to anyone else on here today? - that's of course you've got the balls to come out of the closet to start with![/p][/quote]Wasn't me I only hit the positive button in general, the minus button is for the 4/5 word WUMs that make a statement but can't back it up. COYMR Oxon-Red
  • Score: 0

8:34pm Sat 1 Feb 14

Oi Den! says...

Absolute rubbish today.

I've supported Cooper from day 1 and will continue to do so. However, if the half time substitution really was pre-planned perhaps we got what we deserved for treating the game like a pre-season friendly.

Agree with posters above who picked out the very few positives. I would give Archibald-Henville the benefit of the doubt for now as I'm sure he was eager to add some bite to the team but his McMahonesque lunges made him look immature. He could easily have been sent off for the first one so a little bit of caution was surely the order of the day after that. How on earth anyone thought he deserved a standing ovation is beyond me. Apart from the two rushes of blood, he was also partially responsible for the goal.

The ref made some mystifying decisions, the worst of which was probably his failure to give a penalty for Nathan Thompson's blatant push, but he didn't spoil the game. The players of both sides, assisted by the conditions, managed that quite easily.
Absolute rubbish today. I've supported Cooper from day 1 and will continue to do so. However, if the half time substitution really was pre-planned perhaps we got what we deserved for treating the game like a pre-season friendly. Agree with posters above who picked out the very few positives. I would give Archibald-Henville the benefit of the doubt for now as I'm sure he was eager to add some bite to the team but his McMahonesque lunges made him look immature. He could easily have been sent off for the first one so a little bit of caution was surely the order of the day after that. How on earth anyone thought he deserved a standing ovation is beyond me. Apart from the two rushes of blood, he was also partially responsible for the goal. The ref made some mystifying decisions, the worst of which was probably his failure to give a penalty for Nathan Thompson's blatant push, but he didn't spoil the game. The players of both sides, assisted by the conditions, managed that quite easily. Oi Den!
  • Score: -2

8:45pm Sat 1 Feb 14

Scouse Red says...

Di kanny oh wrote:
What a shambles today and made even worse by the admission by Cooper that Ward would get 45 mins and Troy would come on, and Luongo had played nearly every minute of every game and was suffering with tight hamstrings??? so why play them and waste two substitutes. Just How Byrne and Reckord stayed on for the whole game is beyond me and I have to question Coopers thinking. Yes its quite obvious the money spinner is a trip to Wembley and players like Kasim were saved today but why on earth throw a game away like today with such inept tactics. Reckord is a shocking defender and Byrne had a stinker last week and played even worse this game yet gets 90 minutes. How can a footballer fail to lift the ball off the ground surely this is simple basics yet Byrne did this time and time again and hit the first man almost every time. Today we actually got what we deserved for once and lost all three points and have been extremely lucky with results when winning against the better sides. Very disappointed in Barker today and very worried to think we paid a fee for him ,lets hope he has more to offer than that performance. Two crap teams today and a million miles from play offs so hopefully fans will realize that we were never serious contenders.
Spot on!
[quote][p][bold]Di kanny oh[/bold] wrote: What a shambles today and made even worse by the admission by Cooper that Ward would get 45 mins and Troy would come on, and Luongo had played nearly every minute of every game and was suffering with tight hamstrings??? so why play them and waste two substitutes. Just How Byrne and Reckord stayed on for the whole game is beyond me and I have to question Coopers thinking. Yes its quite obvious the money spinner is a trip to Wembley and players like Kasim were saved today but why on earth throw a game away like today with such inept tactics. Reckord is a shocking defender and Byrne had a stinker last week and played even worse this game yet gets 90 minutes. How can a footballer fail to lift the ball off the ground surely this is simple basics yet Byrne did this time and time again and hit the first man almost every time. Today we actually got what we deserved for once and lost all three points and have been extremely lucky with results when winning against the better sides. Very disappointed in Barker today and very worried to think we paid a fee for him ,lets hope he has more to offer than that performance. Two crap teams today and a million miles from play offs so hopefully fans will realize that we were never serious contenders.[/p][/quote]Spot on! Scouse Red
  • Score: 3

9:01pm Sat 1 Feb 14

Mchalethegreat says...

Truly was dreadful oday. No fight, passion or leadership on the pitch. Understand people calling for Ranger as he was on the bench but again he apparently turned up at 1.50 - ridiculous. With Kasim rested a chance I thought for possibly Harley to show how he wanted the shirt - some hope - wandered around like it was a practice match. For me though head and shoulders worst performance was Nathan Byrne..lightweight, no tackling ability, misplaced passes, losing the ball nearly every time he had it ad woeful crossing...how he stayed on for 90 minutes is beyond me completely. W do not have a midfielder who is capable of doing the gritty stuff and until we do this team will not really succeed no matter how much Mr Cooper talks about his passing game. You need fight alongside skill and that was sadly lacking right through the team today.
Truly was dreadful oday. No fight, passion or leadership on the pitch. Understand people calling for Ranger as he was on the bench but again he apparently turned up at 1.50 - ridiculous. With Kasim rested a chance I thought for possibly Harley to show how he wanted the shirt - some hope - wandered around like it was a practice match. For me though head and shoulders worst performance was Nathan Byrne..lightweight, no tackling ability, misplaced passes, losing the ball nearly every time he had it ad woeful crossing...how he stayed on for 90 minutes is beyond me completely. W do not have a midfielder who is capable of doing the gritty stuff and until we do this team will not really succeed no matter how much Mr Cooper talks about his passing game. You need fight alongside skill and that was sadly lacking right through the team today. Mchalethegreat
  • Score: 2

9:06pm Sat 1 Feb 14

old town robin says...

I can only think those giving the posters today a thumbs down were not at the game, I've given everyone of their comments a thumbs up, because they are all 100% right with their observations. if I never saw Byrne's Barker and Hartley in a town shirt again it would be too soon. Luango, Reckord, Louis Thompson and Smith were only marginally better. also not impressed with Gladwin,

Wes, Nat, Darren and Rossi did OK and Troy until the red mist came down, Ranger came on too late to be effective, but wouldn't fault him for a team performance that was as bad as it gets.

Cooper has to take full responsibility for poor team selection, tactics, and substitutions. the team he put out was made up of 4 regular starters, 3 new players and the rest were fringe players that added nothing to the team. I doubt if any casual supporter would want to pay £25 and come back and see this team with no heart, ambition, totally clueless, absolutely beyond belief that this was a professional football team.
I can only think those giving the posters today a thumbs down were not at the game, I've given everyone of their comments a thumbs up, because they are all 100% right with their observations. if I never saw Byrne's Barker and Hartley in a town shirt again it would be too soon. Luango, Reckord, Louis Thompson and Smith were only marginally better. also not impressed with Gladwin, Wes, Nat, Darren and Rossi did OK and Troy until the red mist came down, Ranger came on too late to be effective, but wouldn't fault him for a team performance that was as bad as it gets. Cooper has to take full responsibility for poor team selection, tactics, and substitutions. the team he put out was made up of 4 regular starters, 3 new players and the rest were fringe players that added nothing to the team. I doubt if any casual supporter would want to pay £25 and come back and see this team with no heart, ambition, totally clueless, absolutely beyond belief that this was a professional football team. old town robin
  • Score: 1

9:26pm Sat 1 Feb 14

swwindon61uk says...

Nothing to say but that was poor.
The decision to leave Ranger on the bench was a big call,but Ranger is pushing that "push your luck button" to the full again.
The decision to take off Louongo was wrong unless he was injured,Byrne was having a nightmare and needed to be subbed.
Bringing on Gladwin was never going to get us back in the game.
Hard to judge Barker as he never got the ball.
The ref was the worst in a long time and IMHO all of our yellow cards were poor decisions,but none of his ineptness had anything to with the result.
MOM for me,Ward in the first half Troy in the 2nd!"
Nothing to say but that was poor. The decision to leave Ranger on the bench was a big call,but Ranger is pushing that "push your luck button" to the full again. The decision to take off Louongo was wrong unless he was injured,Byrne was having a nightmare and needed to be subbed. Bringing on Gladwin was never going to get us back in the game. Hard to judge Barker as he never got the ball. The ref was the worst in a long time and IMHO all of our yellow cards were poor decisions,but none of his ineptness had anything to with the result. MOM for me,Ward in the first half Troy in the 2nd!" swwindon61uk
  • Score: 0

9:34pm Sat 1 Feb 14

Since 1950 says...

Moonraker55 wrote:
I can understand the disappointment of supporters paying money to see today's performance. And it shows only too well the lack of experience in midfield is hampering us. Troy charging up field didn't encourage the youngsters in the way it should have and that's because they need some one amongst them who will cajole, yell and encourage, whilst he himself keeps it simple. The irony is that character is registered to play for Swindon but he is not registered to play football: Mr Fogotten - Alan Navarro. But todays performance was significant in another way. Power brought in loanees to get us started but tactics have changed and today was the first time this season you saw a pure Swindon Team. Coops understands what he has to deal with. He says some players talk better than they play and he knows &quot;work in progress" is not for one year but possibly three. Which is why the supporters must be patient. It will get slowly better. If we get on the players backs we will make it worse because there are no midfield generals to take care of the youngsters. They are having to learn the hard way. And I agree, I don't want to pay cash to see performances like today but for the teams sake I have to stay positive and I encourage you all to do likewise
Top post! I think we all feel like lashing out at the team for that abject performance. However we are what we are and it is what it is. The truth remains that if we manage to stay in this league this season then that will be a result. Clearly the management have realised that the play offs are out of reach and the focus is now on the JPT. Why else the team selection today? It does not excuse that display today which was the worst of the season. Our away team is becoming the home team.
[quote][p][bold]Moonraker55[/bold] wrote: I can understand the disappointment of supporters paying money to see today's performance. And it shows only too well the lack of experience in midfield is hampering us. Troy charging up field didn't encourage the youngsters in the way it should have and that's because they need some one amongst them who will cajole, yell and encourage, whilst he himself keeps it simple. The irony is that character is registered to play for Swindon but he is not registered to play football: Mr Fogotten - Alan Navarro. But todays performance was significant in another way. Power brought in loanees to get us started but tactics have changed and today was the first time this season you saw a pure Swindon Team. Coops understands what he has to deal with. He says some players talk better than they play and he knows "work in progress" is not for one year but possibly three. Which is why the supporters must be patient. It will get slowly better. If we get on the players backs we will make it worse because there are no midfield generals to take care of the youngsters. They are having to learn the hard way. And I agree, I don't want to pay cash to see performances like today but for the teams sake I have to stay positive and I encourage you all to do likewise[/p][/quote]Top post! I think we all feel like lashing out at the team for that abject performance. However we are what we are and it is what it is. The truth remains that if we manage to stay in this league this season then that will be a result. Clearly the management have realised that the play offs are out of reach and the focus is now on the JPT. Why else the team selection today? It does not excuse that display today which was the worst of the season. Our away team is becoming the home team. Since 1950
  • Score: 7

9:35pm Sat 1 Feb 14

swwindon61uk says...

Just read the post match interview and it does seem that TAH was brought on just to give him 45 minutes and rest Ward for Tuesday,absolutely ridiculous,especiall
y as Ward was having his best game for a long time and was quite a rock at the back today.
Like Den says above to basically treat this as a friendly is outrageous.
Just read the post match interview and it does seem that TAH was brought on just to give him 45 minutes and rest Ward for Tuesday,absolutely ridiculous,especiall y as Ward was having his best game for a long time and was quite a rock at the back today. Like Den says above to basically treat this as a friendly is outrageous. swwindon61uk
  • Score: 1

9:41pm Sat 1 Feb 14

Oi Den! says...

swwindon61uk wrote:
Nothing to say but that was poor.
The decision to leave Ranger on the bench was a big call,but Ranger is pushing that &quot;push your luck button" to the full again.
The decision to take off Louongo was wrong unless he was injured,Byrne was having a nightmare and needed to be subbed.
Bringing on Gladwin was never going to get us back in the game.
Hard to judge Barker as he never got the ball.
The ref was the worst in a long time and IMHO all of our yellow cards were poor decisions,but none of his ineptness had anything to with the result.
MOM for me,Ward in the first half Troy in the 2nd!"
Good grief 61! You didn't think Archibald-Henville's first lunge was worth a booking? If it didn't deserve a yellow card it deserved a red one.
[quote][p][bold]swwindon61uk[/bold] wrote: Nothing to say but that was poor. The decision to leave Ranger on the bench was a big call,but Ranger is pushing that "push your luck button" to the full again. The decision to take off Louongo was wrong unless he was injured,Byrne was having a nightmare and needed to be subbed. Bringing on Gladwin was never going to get us back in the game. Hard to judge Barker as he never got the ball. The ref was the worst in a long time and IMHO all of our yellow cards were poor decisions,but none of his ineptness had anything to with the result. MOM for me,Ward in the first half Troy in the 2nd!"[/p][/quote]Good grief 61! You didn't think Archibald-Henville's first lunge was worth a booking? If it didn't deserve a yellow card it deserved a red one. Oi Den!
  • Score: -2

10:24pm Sat 1 Feb 14

swwindon61uk says...

Oi Den! wrote:
swwindon61uk wrote:
Nothing to say but that was poor.
The decision to leave Ranger on the bench was a big call,but Ranger is pushing that &quot;push your luck button" to the full again.
The decision to take off Louongo was wrong unless he was injured,Byrne was having a nightmare and needed to be subbed.
Bringing on Gladwin was never going to get us back in the game.
Hard to judge Barker as he never got the ball.
The ref was the worst in a long time and IMHO all of our yellow cards were poor decisions,but none of his ineptness had anything to with the result.
MOM for me,Ward in the first half Troy in the 2nd!"
Good grief 61! You didn't think Archibald-Henville's first lunge was worth a booking? If it didn't deserve a yellow card it deserved a red one.
I honestly do not think it was a yellow Den,i had a good view and thought it was hard crisp challenge and in fairness to the Oldham player he was not trying to get Troy into trouble.
If i see it again on TV i suppose i could change my mind.
[quote][p][bold]Oi Den![/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]swwindon61uk[/bold] wrote: Nothing to say but that was poor. The decision to leave Ranger on the bench was a big call,but Ranger is pushing that "push your luck button" to the full again. The decision to take off Louongo was wrong unless he was injured,Byrne was having a nightmare and needed to be subbed. Bringing on Gladwin was never going to get us back in the game. Hard to judge Barker as he never got the ball. The ref was the worst in a long time and IMHO all of our yellow cards were poor decisions,but none of his ineptness had anything to with the result. MOM for me,Ward in the first half Troy in the 2nd!"[/p][/quote]Good grief 61! You didn't think Archibald-Henville's first lunge was worth a booking? If it didn't deserve a yellow card it deserved a red one.[/p][/quote]I honestly do not think it was a yellow Den,i had a good view and thought it was hard crisp challenge and in fairness to the Oldham player he was not trying to get Troy into trouble. If i see it again on TV i suppose i could change my mind. swwindon61uk
  • Score: 3

10:42pm Sat 1 Feb 14

Oi Den! says...

swwindon61uk wrote:
Oi Den! wrote:
swwindon61uk wrote:
Nothing to say but that was poor.
The decision to leave Ranger on the bench was a big call,but Ranger is pushing that &quot;push your luck button" to the full again.
The decision to take off Louongo was wrong unless he was injured,Byrne was having a nightmare and needed to be subbed.
Bringing on Gladwin was never going to get us back in the game.
Hard to judge Barker as he never got the ball.
The ref was the worst in a long time and IMHO all of our yellow cards were poor decisions,but none of his ineptness had anything to with the result.
MOM for me,Ward in the first half Troy in the 2nd!"
Good grief 61! You didn't think Archibald-Henville's first lunge was worth a booking? If it didn't deserve a yellow card it deserved a red one.
I honestly do not think it was a yellow Den,i had a good view and thought it was hard crisp challenge and in fairness to the Oldham player he was not trying to get Troy into trouble.
If i see it again on TV i suppose i could change my mind.
Fair enough 61. Maybe be it depends on our respective vantage points. All I'd add is that even my mate - who is normally biased beyond the call of duty - said it was at least a booking.
[quote][p][bold]swwindon61uk[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Oi Den![/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]swwindon61uk[/bold] wrote: Nothing to say but that was poor. The decision to leave Ranger on the bench was a big call,but Ranger is pushing that "push your luck button" to the full again. The decision to take off Louongo was wrong unless he was injured,Byrne was having a nightmare and needed to be subbed. Bringing on Gladwin was never going to get us back in the game. Hard to judge Barker as he never got the ball. The ref was the worst in a long time and IMHO all of our yellow cards were poor decisions,but none of his ineptness had anything to with the result. MOM for me,Ward in the first half Troy in the 2nd!"[/p][/quote]Good grief 61! You didn't think Archibald-Henville's first lunge was worth a booking? If it didn't deserve a yellow card it deserved a red one.[/p][/quote]I honestly do not think it was a yellow Den,i had a good view and thought it was hard crisp challenge and in fairness to the Oldham player he was not trying to get Troy into trouble. If i see it again on TV i suppose i could change my mind.[/p][/quote]Fair enough 61. Maybe be it depends on our respective vantage points. All I'd add is that even my mate - who is normally biased beyond the call of duty - said it was at least a booking. Oi Den!
  • Score: -3

10:43pm Sat 1 Feb 14

Oxon-Red says...

Oi Den! wrote:
swwindon61uk wrote:
Nothing to say but that was poor.
The decision to leave Ranger on the bench was a big call,but Ranger is pushing that &quot;push your luck button" to the full again.
The decision to take off Louongo was wrong unless he was injured,Byrne was having a nightmare and needed to be subbed.
Bringing on Gladwin was never going to get us back in the game.
Hard to judge Barker as he never got the ball.
The ref was the worst in a long time and IMHO all of our yellow cards were poor decisions,but none of his ineptness had anything to with the result.
MOM for me,Ward in the first half Troy in the 2nd!"
Good grief 61! You didn't think Archibald-Henville's first lunge was worth a booking? If it didn't deserve a yellow card it deserved a red one.
Den,

The initial Troy booking was obscured from me by other players in the way but he seemed to have a rush of blood and looked like he couldn't stop. No excuse perhaps but maybe this was taken into consideration.

The Smith booking was harsh as he won the ball but his foot was highish which rightly or wrongly is punished. I think some form of Referee decision when a foot is off the floor needs to be introduced or we will see the tackle removed from football and we will be playing touch football.

Few scapegoats on here tonight (and I now expect the minus men that Jock was refering to) but it today was not down to one or two players. The team as a whole played poorly, the movement was bad, the passing was bad and the overall performance was bad. Lots of anger, which is understandable, but did we as a crowd try to lift the team ?

There were positives to take from the game, the three returning players for instance.

Not the first time Swindon Town have played poorly, it won't be the last and perhaps it should be taken on the chin.

COYMR
[quote][p][bold]Oi Den![/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]swwindon61uk[/bold] wrote: Nothing to say but that was poor. The decision to leave Ranger on the bench was a big call,but Ranger is pushing that "push your luck button" to the full again. The decision to take off Louongo was wrong unless he was injured,Byrne was having a nightmare and needed to be subbed. Bringing on Gladwin was never going to get us back in the game. Hard to judge Barker as he never got the ball. The ref was the worst in a long time and IMHO all of our yellow cards were poor decisions,but none of his ineptness had anything to with the result. MOM for me,Ward in the first half Troy in the 2nd!"[/p][/quote]Good grief 61! You didn't think Archibald-Henville's first lunge was worth a booking? If it didn't deserve a yellow card it deserved a red one.[/p][/quote]Den, The initial Troy booking was obscured from me by other players in the way but he seemed to have a rush of blood and looked like he couldn't stop. No excuse perhaps but maybe this was taken into consideration. The Smith booking was harsh as he won the ball but his foot was highish which rightly or wrongly is punished. I think some form of Referee decision when a foot is off the floor needs to be introduced or we will see the tackle removed from football and we will be playing touch football. Few scapegoats on here tonight (and I now expect the minus men that Jock was refering to) but it today was not down to one or two players. The team as a whole played poorly, the movement was bad, the passing was bad and the overall performance was bad. Lots of anger, which is understandable, but did we as a crowd try to lift the team ? There were positives to take from the game, the three returning players for instance. Not the first time Swindon Town have played poorly, it won't be the last and perhaps it should be taken on the chin. COYMR Oxon-Red
  • Score: 8

10:54pm Sat 1 Feb 14

The Jockster says...

Is anybody else getting "time outs" on posting? I've had comments lost today for leaving the page open and then trying to post only getting " we cannot find the page you are looking for" or is it just me? ( posting from I phone) ?
Is anybody else getting "time outs" on posting? I've had comments lost today for leaving the page open and then trying to post only getting " we cannot find the page you are looking for" or is it just me? ( posting from I phone) ? The Jockster
  • Score: -1

11:08pm Sat 1 Feb 14

swwindon61uk says...

I have been getting the same Jock.
I have been getting the same Jock. swwindon61uk
  • Score: -4

11:12pm Sat 1 Feb 14

Oi Den! says...

Oxon-Red wrote:
Oi Den! wrote:
swwindon61uk wrote:
Nothing to say but that was poor.
The decision to leave Ranger on the bench was a big call,but Ranger is pushing that &quot;push your luck button" to the full again.
The decision to take off Louongo was wrong unless he was injured,Byrne was having a nightmare and needed to be subbed.
Bringing on Gladwin was never going to get us back in the game.
Hard to judge Barker as he never got the ball.
The ref was the worst in a long time and IMHO all of our yellow cards were poor decisions,but none of his ineptness had anything to with the result.
MOM for me,Ward in the first half Troy in the 2nd!"
Good grief 61! You didn't think Archibald-Henville's first lunge was worth a booking? If it didn't deserve a yellow card it deserved a red one.
Den,

The initial Troy booking was obscured from me by other players in the way but he seemed to have a rush of blood and looked like he couldn't stop. No excuse perhaps but maybe this was taken into consideration.

The Smith booking was harsh as he won the ball but his foot was highish which rightly or wrongly is punished. I think some form of Referee decision when a foot is off the floor needs to be introduced or we will see the tackle removed from football and we will be playing touch football.

Few scapegoats on here tonight (and I now expect the minus men that Jock was refering to) but it today was not down to one or two players. The team as a whole played poorly, the movement was bad, the passing was bad and the overall performance was bad. Lots of anger, which is understandable, but did we as a crowd try to lift the team ?

There were positives to take from the game, the three returning players for instance.

Not the first time Swindon Town have played poorly, it won't be the last and perhaps it should be taken on the chin.

COYMR
Oxon, I think you hit the nail on the head there. It's certainly not the first time we've played badly. In fact we weren't much better last week, when we somehow managed to win. Results have disguised poor performances of late. I was actually hoping for a postponement today because I was afraid the game would turn out as it did. We could do with having a rash of postponements and then play the rearranged games in April and May, when our lightweight squad might not be at such a disadvantage!
[quote][p][bold]Oxon-Red[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Oi Den![/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]swwindon61uk[/bold] wrote: Nothing to say but that was poor. The decision to leave Ranger on the bench was a big call,but Ranger is pushing that "push your luck button" to the full again. The decision to take off Louongo was wrong unless he was injured,Byrne was having a nightmare and needed to be subbed. Bringing on Gladwin was never going to get us back in the game. Hard to judge Barker as he never got the ball. The ref was the worst in a long time and IMHO all of our yellow cards were poor decisions,but none of his ineptness had anything to with the result. MOM for me,Ward in the first half Troy in the 2nd!"[/p][/quote]Good grief 61! You didn't think Archibald-Henville's first lunge was worth a booking? If it didn't deserve a yellow card it deserved a red one.[/p][/quote]Den, The initial Troy booking was obscured from me by other players in the way but he seemed to have a rush of blood and looked like he couldn't stop. No excuse perhaps but maybe this was taken into consideration. The Smith booking was harsh as he won the ball but his foot was highish which rightly or wrongly is punished. I think some form of Referee decision when a foot is off the floor needs to be introduced or we will see the tackle removed from football and we will be playing touch football. Few scapegoats on here tonight (and I now expect the minus men that Jock was refering to) but it today was not down to one or two players. The team as a whole played poorly, the movement was bad, the passing was bad and the overall performance was bad. Lots of anger, which is understandable, but did we as a crowd try to lift the team ? There were positives to take from the game, the three returning players for instance. Not the first time Swindon Town have played poorly, it won't be the last and perhaps it should be taken on the chin. COYMR[/p][/quote]Oxon, I think you hit the nail on the head there. It's certainly not the first time we've played badly. In fact we weren't much better last week, when we somehow managed to win. Results have disguised poor performances of late. I was actually hoping for a postponement today because I was afraid the game would turn out as it did. We could do with having a rash of postponements and then play the rearranged games in April and May, when our lightweight squad might not be at such a disadvantage! Oi Den!
  • Score: 2

11:24pm Sat 1 Feb 14

bearwoodred says...

Just reading the comments above and have a few thoughts. Not checked but isn'tt the revenue from the Johnstones Paint final shared across the whole of the two leagues? Which seems a bit harsh of the teams who get there but I think there is a cash prize for winner and runner up but the gate receipts are split! Could be wrong!

These sort of results happen for every team - Bury and Colchester last year! Very frsutrating when you are expecting to win and easy to start blaming all and sundry. Cooper has tried to change things and it did not work, move on - I am sure he probably learnt a lot today. I think Cooper is doing a good job and working with a lot of good youngsters who will get better if we can keep them. We are quite safe and with a bit more lady luck could sneak into the play offs - unluckly maybe, but we will continue to win more than we lose - have some faith. Glad Troy is back and that Reis was on the bench.

Perhaps teams have worked us out a bit and Cooper will have to readjust things. It's not the end of the world if Byrne has a bad game - I still think he;s a good young player and will be important to us. I still maintain that the only two I would still have from last year is Macca and Ritchie. It;s a good developing squad, give it time and support.

It's also a miles better league than last year. We battered two of the teams that went up last year and should have beaten Donny. This year you have Wolves and Posh, but look at Brentford, Orient, Preston, Walsall and Rotherham - all loads better than last year and maybe that will be us next year - Walsall, Preston, Brentofd and Orent all got better over time and were clearly works in progress.

My concern is getting the ball forward quicker than we do perhaps, but I rather we tried to play than some of the dross we had last year espcially when we went behind. The Walsall goal on Tuesday came from their keeper who sent it out to the right quickly when Pritch was still gettinig back. Some slick passing later and we were 1 down and no wonoder their keeper ran up to the half way line to celebrate., Mass and Pritch are still for me learning about the art of delivery and I would like to see more assists from both of them. Both often cut in when a simple ball would be the better option - ask Nile on Tuesday!!

We are 5 points off the play off place but 5 points clear of MK Dons in 10th and 14 from relegation. Considering what was going on this time last year I am happy with that.
Just reading the comments above and have a few thoughts. Not checked but isn'tt the revenue from the Johnstones Paint final shared across the whole of the two leagues? Which seems a bit harsh of the teams who get there but I think there is a cash prize for winner and runner up but the gate receipts are split! Could be wrong! These sort of results happen for every team - Bury and Colchester last year! Very frsutrating when you are expecting to win and easy to start blaming all and sundry. Cooper has tried to change things and it did not work, move on - I am sure he probably learnt a lot today. I think Cooper is doing a good job and working with a lot of good youngsters who will get better if we can keep them. We are quite safe and with a bit more lady luck could sneak into the play offs - unluckly maybe, but we will continue to win more than we lose - have some faith. Glad Troy is back and that Reis was on the bench. Perhaps teams have worked us out a bit and Cooper will have to readjust things. It's not the end of the world if Byrne has a bad game - I still think he;s a good young player and will be important to us. I still maintain that the only two I would still have from last year is Macca and Ritchie. It;s a good developing squad, give it time and support. It's also a miles better league than last year. We battered two of the teams that went up last year and should have beaten Donny. This year you have Wolves and Posh, but look at Brentford, Orient, Preston, Walsall and Rotherham - all loads better than last year and maybe that will be us next year - Walsall, Preston, Brentofd and Orent all got better over time and were clearly works in progress. My concern is getting the ball forward quicker than we do perhaps, but I rather we tried to play than some of the dross we had last year espcially when we went behind. The Walsall goal on Tuesday came from their keeper who sent it out to the right quickly when Pritch was still gettinig back. Some slick passing later and we were 1 down and no wonoder their keeper ran up to the half way line to celebrate., Mass and Pritch are still for me learning about the art of delivery and I would like to see more assists from both of them. Both often cut in when a simple ball would be the better option - ask Nile on Tuesday!! We are 5 points off the play off place but 5 points clear of MK Dons in 10th and 14 from relegation. Considering what was going on this time last year I am happy with that. bearwoodred
  • Score: 6

11:59pm Sat 1 Feb 14

Di kanny oh says...

swwindon61uk wrote:
Just read the post match interview and it does seem that TAH was brought on just to give him 45 minutes and rest Ward for Tuesday,absolutely ridiculous,especiall

y as Ward was having his best game for a long time and was quite a rock at the back today.
Like Den says above to basically treat this as a friendly is outrageous.
Totally agree Ward was MOM up until then with a much better display. This match was down to Cooper I felt with wrong tactics and personnel.
[quote][p][bold]swwindon61uk[/bold] wrote: Just read the post match interview and it does seem that TAH was brought on just to give him 45 minutes and rest Ward for Tuesday,absolutely ridiculous,especiall y as Ward was having his best game for a long time and was quite a rock at the back today. Like Den says above to basically treat this as a friendly is outrageous.[/p][/quote]Totally agree Ward was MOM up until then with a much better display. This match was down to Cooper I felt with wrong tactics and personnel. Di kanny oh
  • Score: 5

12:31am Sun 2 Feb 14

The Jockster says...

BeArwood I think you're being a tad too generous in your praise we've heard it all before and yes they're a young side yes they're inexperienced but they are also lacking in terms of being able to mix it when the going gets tough and so many anomalies today. We've been found out even more over the last two to three games and it showed glaringly today.
BeArwood I think you're being a tad too generous in your praise we've heard it all before and yes they're a young side yes they're inexperienced but they are also lacking in terms of being able to mix it when the going gets tough and so many anomalies today. We've been found out even more over the last two to three games and it showed glaringly today. The Jockster
  • Score: -4

12:43am Sun 2 Feb 14

stranglers says...

Di kanny oh wrote:
swwindon61uk wrote:
Just read the post match interview and it does seem that TAH was brought on just to give him 45 minutes and rest Ward for Tuesday,absolutely ridiculous,especiall


y as Ward was having his best game for a long time and was quite a rock at the back today.
Like Den says above to basically treat this as a friendly is outrageous.
Totally agree Ward was MOM up until then with a much better display. This match was down to Cooper I felt with wrong tactics and personnel.
Come on Mr Power, sort it, no passion, no motivation, no charisma, no idea!!!!!. Sorry happy clappers but get real. MC must go now surely.
[quote][p][bold]Di kanny oh[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]swwindon61uk[/bold] wrote: Just read the post match interview and it does seem that TAH was brought on just to give him 45 minutes and rest Ward for Tuesday,absolutely ridiculous,especiall y as Ward was having his best game for a long time and was quite a rock at the back today. Like Den says above to basically treat this as a friendly is outrageous.[/p][/quote]Totally agree Ward was MOM up until then with a much better display. This match was down to Cooper I felt with wrong tactics and personnel.[/p][/quote]Come on Mr Power, sort it, no passion, no motivation, no charisma, no idea!!!!!. Sorry happy clappers but get real. MC must go now surely. stranglers
  • Score: -1

12:46am Sun 2 Feb 14

stranglers says...

bearwoodred wrote:
Just reading the comments above and have a few thoughts. Not checked but isn'tt the revenue from the Johnstones Paint final shared across the whole of the two leagues? Which seems a bit harsh of the teams who get there but I think there is a cash prize for winner and runner up but the gate receipts are split! Could be wrong!

These sort of results happen for every team - Bury and Colchester last year! Very frsutrating when you are expecting to win and easy to start blaming all and sundry. Cooper has tried to change things and it did not work, move on - I am sure he probably learnt a lot today. I think Cooper is doing a good job and working with a lot of good youngsters who will get better if we can keep them. We are quite safe and with a bit more lady luck could sneak into the play offs - unluckly maybe, but we will continue to win more than we lose - have some faith. Glad Troy is back and that Reis was on the bench.

Perhaps teams have worked us out a bit and Cooper will have to readjust things. It's not the end of the world if Byrne has a bad game - I still think he;s a good young player and will be important to us. I still maintain that the only two I would still have from last year is Macca and Ritchie. It;s a good developing squad, give it time and support.

It's also a miles better league than last year. We battered two of the teams that went up last year and should have beaten Donny. This year you have Wolves and Posh, but look at Brentford, Orient, Preston, Walsall and Rotherham - all loads better than last year and maybe that will be us next year - Walsall, Preston, Brentofd and Orent all got better over time and were clearly works in progress.

My concern is getting the ball forward quicker than we do perhaps, but I rather we tried to play than some of the dross we had last year espcially when we went behind. The Walsall goal on Tuesday came from their keeper who sent it out to the right quickly when Pritch was still gettinig back. Some slick passing later and we were 1 down and no wonoder their keeper ran up to the half way line to celebrate., Mass and Pritch are still for me learning about the art of delivery and I would like to see more assists from both of them. Both often cut in when a simple ball would be the better option - ask Nile on Tuesday!!

We are 5 points off the play off place but 5 points clear of MK Dons in 10th and 14 from relegation. Considering what was going on this time last year I am happy with that.
Happy with that???????????
[quote][p][bold]bearwoodred[/bold] wrote: Just reading the comments above and have a few thoughts. Not checked but isn'tt the revenue from the Johnstones Paint final shared across the whole of the two leagues? Which seems a bit harsh of the teams who get there but I think there is a cash prize for winner and runner up but the gate receipts are split! Could be wrong! These sort of results happen for every team - Bury and Colchester last year! Very frsutrating when you are expecting to win and easy to start blaming all and sundry. Cooper has tried to change things and it did not work, move on - I am sure he probably learnt a lot today. I think Cooper is doing a good job and working with a lot of good youngsters who will get better if we can keep them. We are quite safe and with a bit more lady luck could sneak into the play offs - unluckly maybe, but we will continue to win more than we lose - have some faith. Glad Troy is back and that Reis was on the bench. Perhaps teams have worked us out a bit and Cooper will have to readjust things. It's not the end of the world if Byrne has a bad game - I still think he;s a good young player and will be important to us. I still maintain that the only two I would still have from last year is Macca and Ritchie. It;s a good developing squad, give it time and support. It's also a miles better league than last year. We battered two of the teams that went up last year and should have beaten Donny. This year you have Wolves and Posh, but look at Brentford, Orient, Preston, Walsall and Rotherham - all loads better than last year and maybe that will be us next year - Walsall, Preston, Brentofd and Orent all got better over time and were clearly works in progress. My concern is getting the ball forward quicker than we do perhaps, but I rather we tried to play than some of the dross we had last year espcially when we went behind. The Walsall goal on Tuesday came from their keeper who sent it out to the right quickly when Pritch was still gettinig back. Some slick passing later and we were 1 down and no wonoder their keeper ran up to the half way line to celebrate., Mass and Pritch are still for me learning about the art of delivery and I would like to see more assists from both of them. Both often cut in when a simple ball would be the better option - ask Nile on Tuesday!! We are 5 points off the play off place but 5 points clear of MK Dons in 10th and 14 from relegation. Considering what was going on this time last year I am happy with that.[/p][/quote]Happy with that??????????? stranglers
  • Score: -3

12:54am Sun 2 Feb 14

stranglers says...

The Jockster wrote:
Is anybody else getting &quot;time outs" on posting? I've had comments lost today for leaving the page open and then trying to post only getting " we cannot find the page you are looking for" or is it just me? ( posting from I phone) ?
Yes loads today.
[quote][p][bold]The Jockster[/bold] wrote: Is anybody else getting "time outs" on posting? I've had comments lost today for leaving the page open and then trying to post only getting " we cannot find the page you are looking for" or is it just me? ( posting from I phone) ?[/p][/quote]Yes loads today. stranglers
  • Score: 0

1:25am Sun 2 Feb 14

bearwoodred says...

The Jockster wrote:
BeArwood I think you're being a tad too generous in your praise we've heard it all before and yes they're a young side yes they're inexperienced but they are also lacking in terms of being able to mix it when the going gets tough and so many anomalies today. We've been found out even more over the last two to three games and it showed glaringly today.
Nonsense - you and Stranglers are far to generous with your criticism and the latter is clearly not happy unless we win with ease and seems to think we should be 10 points clear by now.

If uou have heard it all before why the impatience? As I said with the exception of Wolves and Posh the other teams in the frame have all grown slowly from last year have they not?

What exactly is mixing it up? Maybe we should have a midfield made up of Robbie Savage types - unable to pass or score or shoot or show any team play but capable of kicking someone 3 foot in the air! Don't buy it. We have had more bookings and sendings off this season that I can remember - is that not getting stuck in? Pricth is the worse offender and he is smaller than my 10 year old daugher!! We are not always losing games because the going has got tough - normally it is because of basic errors, mostly by the centre halfs.

We centre fought hard against Walsall who were in my opinion an excellent side even with the ref on their side. Oldham was just one of those games where nothing gets going, every for whatever reason underperforms and we lose - it happens. Not Coopers fault is it?

You watch we'll beat Posh 3 - 1 next week.
[quote][p][bold]The Jockster[/bold] wrote: BeArwood I think you're being a tad too generous in your praise we've heard it all before and yes they're a young side yes they're inexperienced but they are also lacking in terms of being able to mix it when the going gets tough and so many anomalies today. We've been found out even more over the last two to three games and it showed glaringly today.[/p][/quote]Nonsense - you and Stranglers are far to generous with your criticism and the latter is clearly not happy unless we win with ease and seems to think we should be 10 points clear by now. If uou have heard it all before why the impatience? As I said with the exception of Wolves and Posh the other teams in the frame have all grown slowly from last year have they not? What exactly is mixing it up? Maybe we should have a midfield made up of Robbie Savage types - unable to pass or score or shoot or show any team play but capable of kicking someone 3 foot in the air! Don't buy it. We have had more bookings and sendings off this season that I can remember - is that not getting stuck in? Pricth is the worse offender and he is smaller than my 10 year old daugher!! We are not always losing games because the going has got tough - normally it is because of basic errors, mostly by the centre halfs. We centre fought hard against Walsall who were in my opinion an excellent side even with the ref on their side. Oldham was just one of those games where nothing gets going, every for whatever reason underperforms and we lose - it happens. Not Coopers fault is it? You watch we'll beat Posh 3 - 1 next week. bearwoodred
  • Score: 4

7:43am Sun 2 Feb 14

mancrobin says...

I think it's time to say goodbye to Ranger. He is clearly winding up Cooper ("there are players who can talk a good game), disrupting game plans and potentially disrupting the changing room.

If we accept that this team is a work in progress that needs time and encouragement to develop, why bother with Ranger?
I think it's time to say goodbye to Ranger. He is clearly winding up Cooper ("there are players who can talk a good game), disrupting game plans and potentially disrupting the changing room. If we accept that this team is a work in progress that needs time and encouragement to develop, why bother with Ranger? mancrobin
  • Score: 2

8:09am Sun 2 Feb 14

stokes_stfc says...

stranglers wrote:
bearwoodred wrote:
Just reading the comments above and have a few thoughts. Not checked but isn'tt the revenue from the Johnstones Paint final shared across the whole of the two leagues? Which seems a bit harsh of the teams who get there but I think there is a cash prize for winner and runner up but the gate receipts are split! Could be wrong!

These sort of results happen for every team - Bury and Colchester last year! Very frsutrating when you are expecting to win and easy to start blaming all and sundry. Cooper has tried to change things and it did not work, move on - I am sure he probably learnt a lot today. I think Cooper is doing a good job and working with a lot of good youngsters who will get better if we can keep them. We are quite safe and with a bit more lady luck could sneak into the play offs - unluckly maybe, but we will continue to win more than we lose - have some faith. Glad Troy is back and that Reis was on the bench.

Perhaps teams have worked us out a bit and Cooper will have to readjust things. It's not the end of the world if Byrne has a bad game - I still think he;s a good young player and will be important to us. I still maintain that the only two I would still have from last year is Macca and Ritchie. It;s a good developing squad, give it time and support.

It's also a miles better league than last year. We battered two of the teams that went up last year and should have beaten Donny. This year you have Wolves and Posh, but look at Brentford, Orient, Preston, Walsall and Rotherham - all loads better than last year and maybe that will be us next year - Walsall, Preston, Brentofd and Orent all got better over time and were clearly works in progress.

My concern is getting the ball forward quicker than we do perhaps, but I rather we tried to play than some of the dross we had last year espcially when we went behind. The Walsall goal on Tuesday came from their keeper who sent it out to the right quickly when Pritch was still gettinig back. Some slick passing later and we were 1 down and no wonoder their keeper ran up to the half way line to celebrate., Mass and Pritch are still for me learning about the art of delivery and I would like to see more assists from both of them. Both often cut in when a simple ball would be the better option - ask Nile on Tuesday!!

We are 5 points off the play off place but 5 points clear of MK Dons in 10th and 14 from relegation. Considering what was going on this time last year I am happy with that.
Happy with that???????????
Sorry to be pedantic Bearwood, but we don't win more than we lose! I personally think we will drop down to bottom half rather than the playoffs but we have enough points to be safe. To date we have relied on home form to compensate for our woeful away form. We still have a lot of big teams to come to the county ground and I think we will end up dropping quite a few points at home for the remainder of the season compared to what has already gone...

If we can get rid of the likes of cox, navarro, Benson etc from the wage bill, hopefully next year we'll build a team capable of a playoff push... Having said that we will need to replace pritch, mason, probably wes, (hall) and we will have to look beyond spurs and Brighton reserves to do that
[quote][p][bold]stranglers[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]bearwoodred[/bold] wrote: Just reading the comments above and have a few thoughts. Not checked but isn'tt the revenue from the Johnstones Paint final shared across the whole of the two leagues? Which seems a bit harsh of the teams who get there but I think there is a cash prize for winner and runner up but the gate receipts are split! Could be wrong! These sort of results happen for every team - Bury and Colchester last year! Very frsutrating when you are expecting to win and easy to start blaming all and sundry. Cooper has tried to change things and it did not work, move on - I am sure he probably learnt a lot today. I think Cooper is doing a good job and working with a lot of good youngsters who will get better if we can keep them. We are quite safe and with a bit more lady luck could sneak into the play offs - unluckly maybe, but we will continue to win more than we lose - have some faith. Glad Troy is back and that Reis was on the bench. Perhaps teams have worked us out a bit and Cooper will have to readjust things. It's not the end of the world if Byrne has a bad game - I still think he;s a good young player and will be important to us. I still maintain that the only two I would still have from last year is Macca and Ritchie. It;s a good developing squad, give it time and support. It's also a miles better league than last year. We battered two of the teams that went up last year and should have beaten Donny. This year you have Wolves and Posh, but look at Brentford, Orient, Preston, Walsall and Rotherham - all loads better than last year and maybe that will be us next year - Walsall, Preston, Brentofd and Orent all got better over time and were clearly works in progress. My concern is getting the ball forward quicker than we do perhaps, but I rather we tried to play than some of the dross we had last year espcially when we went behind. The Walsall goal on Tuesday came from their keeper who sent it out to the right quickly when Pritch was still gettinig back. Some slick passing later and we were 1 down and no wonoder their keeper ran up to the half way line to celebrate., Mass and Pritch are still for me learning about the art of delivery and I would like to see more assists from both of them. Both often cut in when a simple ball would be the better option - ask Nile on Tuesday!! We are 5 points off the play off place but 5 points clear of MK Dons in 10th and 14 from relegation. Considering what was going on this time last year I am happy with that.[/p][/quote]Happy with that???????????[/p][/quote]Sorry to be pedantic Bearwood, but we don't win more than we lose! I personally think we will drop down to bottom half rather than the playoffs but we have enough points to be safe. To date we have relied on home form to compensate for our woeful away form. We still have a lot of big teams to come to the county ground and I think we will end up dropping quite a few points at home for the remainder of the season compared to what has already gone... If we can get rid of the likes of cox, navarro, Benson etc from the wage bill, hopefully next year we'll build a team capable of a playoff push... Having said that we will need to replace pritch, mason, probably wes, (hall) and we will have to look beyond spurs and Brighton reserves to do that stokes_stfc
  • Score: -1

8:11am Sun 2 Feb 14

Newshoes84 says...

While not wanting to gloss over what was a truly terrible performance yesterday I do not understand the negativity that comes from quite a few in the crowd from about 30 seconds after the game has kicked off to the time that it ends. This has been going on for a couple of months now which I cant get my head around as we have been near the top 6 all season and have the 2nd/3rd best home record in the division. I have absolutely no problem with people booing at half-time and full-time if we have been poor but surely during the game we should be supporting the team? The abuse George Barker got yesterday around me was unbelievable for a young lad in one of his first football league starts. Yes he did not play well but he was certainly not alone in that regard, I think people expected him to score a hat-trick in the first 30 minutes.

I did not understand resting people for the JPT game, especially as we were already missing Mcevely, Mason and Pritchard. I thought the back 4 and Wes did quite well yesterday considering how many times the midfield gave the ball away and put them under pressure. Missing Pritch, Mason and Kasim also meant that we were missing anyone in midfield who would actually drive the team forward and look for that killer pass.
While not wanting to gloss over what was a truly terrible performance yesterday I do not understand the negativity that comes from quite a few in the crowd from about 30 seconds after the game has kicked off to the time that it ends. This has been going on for a couple of months now which I cant get my head around as we have been near the top 6 all season and have the 2nd/3rd best home record in the division. I have absolutely no problem with people booing at half-time and full-time if we have been poor but surely during the game we should be supporting the team? The abuse George Barker got yesterday around me was unbelievable for a young lad in one of his first football league starts. Yes he did not play well but he was certainly not alone in that regard, I think people expected him to score a hat-trick in the first 30 minutes. I did not understand resting people for the JPT game, especially as we were already missing Mcevely, Mason and Pritchard. I thought the back 4 and Wes did quite well yesterday considering how many times the midfield gave the ball away and put them under pressure. Missing Pritch, Mason and Kasim also meant that we were missing anyone in midfield who would actually drive the team forward and look for that killer pass. Newshoes84
  • Score: 7

9:03am Sun 2 Feb 14

lifelong red says...

Yes - bad day at the office - some poor individual performances - Pritchard - badly missed
Yes - bad day at the office - some poor individual performances - Pritchard - badly missed lifelong red
  • Score: 0

9:09am Sun 2 Feb 14

swwindon61uk says...

Lets be honest here most of this message board were saying we were relegation certainties at the start of the season, so to be 9th going into February has to be some sort of achievement right?
The same people were saying City were certain for promotion now they have Flint and Portsmouth were certainties fro promotion now they have Ferry.....
Myself at the start of the season i did not commit one way or another until after the Spurs friendly and i thought we would finish half way.
Next season when some of the players who do not feature contracts run out is when i think we will have a better season next year, with a settled pre-season and more importantly hopefully a settled team.
Weather Cooper is here remains to be seen,but i can see it has he will be the cheap option.
Not against Cooper but some of his decisions of late have been questionable IMHO.
Lets be honest here most of this message board were saying we were relegation certainties at the start of the season, so to be 9th going into February has to be some sort of achievement right? The same people were saying City were certain for promotion now they have Flint and Portsmouth were certainties fro promotion now they have Ferry..... Myself at the start of the season i did not commit one way or another until after the Spurs friendly and i thought we would finish half way. Next season when some of the players who do not feature contracts run out is when i think we will have a better season next year, with a settled pre-season and more importantly hopefully a settled team. Weather Cooper is here remains to be seen,but i can see it has he will be the cheap option. Not against Cooper but some of his decisions of late have been questionable IMHO. swwindon61uk
  • Score: 3

9:14am Sun 2 Feb 14

smirg kcab says...

Sorry chaps what annoyed me the most was cooper wants honest people at the club, yet after he so says he was resting people for the jpt ( which most fans cant or won't go due to wembley rip off effect) so I think cooper should have been honest enough on his pre match interview and tell fans( the people who pays for his wages) that his plan was to rest people. Well me for one who lambasted him when he was appointed decided to give him a chance, I don't mind losing and I said we will win as many as we lose. I found the resting of players yesterday a disgrace ans as paying fans should be refunded for that shambolic, utter disgrace of a team, tactics,formation,
I don't believe power told cooper to rest players, so the ball lies firmly at coopers door.
Also due to the game being in doubt on Friday people like him must understand most of us lives for swindon town and wouldn't have it any other way.
You RIPPED the FANS off yesterday and something must give
I'm sure 7,300 will remember the two games against against a relegation fodder Oldham as one of the lowest points in the towns history.
Time to go and employ someone who respects the fans
Stfc fans you can give me as many minuses as you like this is the truth get real, he took the piiss yesterday
Sorry chaps what annoyed me the most was cooper wants honest people at the club, yet after he so says he was resting people for the jpt ( which most fans cant or won't go due to wembley rip off effect) so I think cooper should have been honest enough on his pre match interview and tell fans( the people who pays for his wages) that his plan was to rest people. Well me for one who lambasted him when he was appointed decided to give him a chance, I don't mind losing and I said we will win as many as we lose. I found the resting of players yesterday a disgrace ans as paying fans should be refunded for that shambolic, utter disgrace of a team, tactics,formation, I don't believe power told cooper to rest players, so the ball lies firmly at coopers door. Also due to the game being in doubt on Friday people like him must understand most of us lives for swindon town and wouldn't have it any other way. You RIPPED the FANS off yesterday and something must give I'm sure 7,300 will remember the two games against against a relegation fodder Oldham as one of the lowest points in the towns history. Time to go and employ someone who respects the fans Stfc fans you can give me as many minuses as you like this is the truth get real, he took the piiss yesterday smirg kcab
  • Score: 0

9:16am Sun 2 Feb 14

swwindon61uk says...

Newshoes84 wrote:
While not wanting to gloss over what was a truly terrible performance yesterday I do not understand the negativity that comes from quite a few in the crowd from about 30 seconds after the game has kicked off to the time that it ends. This has been going on for a couple of months now which I cant get my head around as we have been near the top 6 all season and have the 2nd/3rd best home record in the division. I have absolutely no problem with people booing at half-time and full-time if we have been poor but surely during the game we should be supporting the team? The abuse George Barker got yesterday around me was unbelievable for a young lad in one of his first football league starts. Yes he did not play well but he was certainly not alone in that regard, I think people expected him to score a hat-trick in the first 30 minutes.

I did not understand resting people for the JPT game, especially as we were already missing Mcevely, Mason and Pritchard. I thought the back 4 and Wes did quite well yesterday considering how many times the midfield gave the ball away and put them under pressure. Missing Pritch, Mason and Kasim also meant that we were missing anyone in midfield who would actually drive the team forward and look for that killer pass.
We are putting all our eggs in getting to Wembley,very dodgy game to play.
As for the crowd,unfortunately there are quite a lot who are not happy unless we are losing,they would have been in their element yesterday.
I moan and groan but i am never on a players back, save it all for the pub afterwards!
Long for the days again when the Town End really did drive the team on with a passion through thick and thin (there was a lot of thin). now a lot of the time it is like they are kicking towards the Stratton Bank both halfs.
[quote][p][bold]Newshoes84[/bold] wrote: While not wanting to gloss over what was a truly terrible performance yesterday I do not understand the negativity that comes from quite a few in the crowd from about 30 seconds after the game has kicked off to the time that it ends. This has been going on for a couple of months now which I cant get my head around as we have been near the top 6 all season and have the 2nd/3rd best home record in the division. I have absolutely no problem with people booing at half-time and full-time if we have been poor but surely during the game we should be supporting the team? The abuse George Barker got yesterday around me was unbelievable for a young lad in one of his first football league starts. Yes he did not play well but he was certainly not alone in that regard, I think people expected him to score a hat-trick in the first 30 minutes. I did not understand resting people for the JPT game, especially as we were already missing Mcevely, Mason and Pritchard. I thought the back 4 and Wes did quite well yesterday considering how many times the midfield gave the ball away and put them under pressure. Missing Pritch, Mason and Kasim also meant that we were missing anyone in midfield who would actually drive the team forward and look for that killer pass.[/p][/quote]We are putting all our eggs in getting to Wembley,very dodgy game to play. As for the crowd,unfortunately there are quite a lot who are not happy unless we are losing,they would have been in their element yesterday. I moan and groan but i am never on a players back, save it all for the pub afterwards! Long for the days again when the Town End really did drive the team on with a passion through thick and thin (there was a lot of thin). now a lot of the time it is like they are kicking towards the Stratton Bank both halfs. swwindon61uk
  • Score: 1

9:24am Sun 2 Feb 14

Wilesy says...

swwindon61uk wrote:
Lets be honest here most of this message board were saying we were relegation certainties at the start of the season, so to be 9th going into February has to be some sort of achievement right?
The same people were saying City were certain for promotion now they have Flint and Portsmouth were certainties fro promotion now they have Ferry.....
Myself at the start of the season i did not commit one way or another until after the Spurs friendly and i thought we would finish half way.
Next season when some of the players who do not feature contracts run out is when i think we will have a better season next year, with a settled pre-season and more importantly hopefully a settled team.
Weather Cooper is here remains to be seen,but i can see it has he will be the cheap option.
Not against Cooper but some of his decisions of late have been questionable IMHO.
It's a good question will Cooper be here next season?

50-50 I reckon, yes we are 9th and every interview he says we are a young side and stick with us, but in the last 2 months have we shown signs of progress? Have obvious faults with the tactics been rectified it have we stubbornly carried on regardless? Have we recruited well during Jan or have we got in 1 good player out of the 3?

In my view I think he will need to make a few changes and get a loan or two in. I am not particularly enjoying the entertainment offered at present, and judging by the empty seats at the CG neither are others. At the very least you shouldn't have to worry if the side are going to put in a shift each game that should be a given.

Certainly not saying Cooper out and really hope things pick up.
[quote][p][bold]swwindon61uk[/bold] wrote: Lets be honest here most of this message board were saying we were relegation certainties at the start of the season, so to be 9th going into February has to be some sort of achievement right? The same people were saying City were certain for promotion now they have Flint and Portsmouth were certainties fro promotion now they have Ferry..... Myself at the start of the season i did not commit one way or another until after the Spurs friendly and i thought we would finish half way. Next season when some of the players who do not feature contracts run out is when i think we will have a better season next year, with a settled pre-season and more importantly hopefully a settled team. Weather Cooper is here remains to be seen,but i can see it has he will be the cheap option. Not against Cooper but some of his decisions of late have been questionable IMHO.[/p][/quote]It's a good question will Cooper be here next season? 50-50 I reckon, yes we are 9th and every interview he says we are a young side and stick with us, but in the last 2 months have we shown signs of progress? Have obvious faults with the tactics been rectified it have we stubbornly carried on regardless? Have we recruited well during Jan or have we got in 1 good player out of the 3? In my view I think he will need to make a few changes and get a loan or two in. I am not particularly enjoying the entertainment offered at present, and judging by the empty seats at the CG neither are others. At the very least you shouldn't have to worry if the side are going to put in a shift each game that should be a given. Certainly not saying Cooper out and really hope things pick up. Wilesy
  • Score: 2

9:54am Sun 2 Feb 14

lifelong red says...

Individually we looked lethargic, and as a team were disjointed . Pritcthard is the kind of player can give you that spark that was lacking yesterday - was sorely missed - and will be very difficult to replace when he finally leaves perm.
Individually we looked lethargic, and as a team were disjointed . Pritcthard is the kind of player can give you that spark that was lacking yesterday - was sorely missed - and will be very difficult to replace when he finally leaves perm. lifelong red
  • Score: 0

10:06am Sun 2 Feb 14

old town robin says...

bearwoodred wrote:
Just reading the comments above and have a few thoughts. Not checked but isn'tt the revenue from the Johnstones Paint final shared across the whole of the two leagues? Which seems a bit harsh of the teams who get there but I think there is a cash prize for winner and runner up but the gate receipts are split! Could be wrong!

These sort of results happen for every team - Bury and Colchester last year! Very frsutrating when you are expecting to win and easy to start blaming all and sundry. Cooper has tried to change things and it did not work, move on - I am sure he probably learnt a lot today. I think Cooper is doing a good job and working with a lot of good youngsters who will get better if we can keep them. We are quite safe and with a bit more lady luck could sneak into the play offs - unluckly maybe, but we will continue to win more than we lose - have some faith. Glad Troy is back and that Reis was on the bench.

Perhaps teams have worked us out a bit and Cooper will have to readjust things. It's not the end of the world if Byrne has a bad game - I still think he;s a good young player and will be important to us. I still maintain that the only two I would still have from last year is Macca and Ritchie. It;s a good developing squad, give it time and support.

It's also a miles better league than last year. We battered two of the teams that went up last year and should have beaten Donny. This year you have Wolves and Posh, but look at Brentford, Orient, Preston, Walsall and Rotherham - all loads better than last year and maybe that will be us next year - Walsall, Preston, Brentofd and Orent all got better over time and were clearly works in progress.

My concern is getting the ball forward quicker than we do perhaps, but I rather we tried to play than some of the dross we had last year espcially when we went behind. The Walsall goal on Tuesday came from their keeper who sent it out to the right quickly when Pritch was still gettinig back. Some slick passing later and we were 1 down and no wonoder their keeper ran up to the half way line to celebrate., Mass and Pritch are still for me learning about the art of delivery and I would like to see more assists from both of them. Both often cut in when a simple ball would be the better option - ask Nile on Tuesday!!

We are 5 points off the play off place but 5 points clear of MK Dons in 10th and 14 from relegation. Considering what was going on this time last year I am happy with that.
I think a year ago on Tuesday we we were top of the league after an emphatic win at Tranmere, Up until the end of December we were playing some scintillating football when we had Martin, Holland's and Ritchie in the team, unfortunately things went horribly wrong and despite giving it our best shot against Brentford in the play-off's, it was never going to be enough with the embargo preventing us strengthening the squad.

Agree with many of the points you have made, but with that team we had then had we been able to keep it together were not work in progress, they were close to the finished article. Unfortunately it all went horribly wrong and we are where we are today for all the reasons we have had to endure this past year. it's always a matter of opinion of course, but mine is the team 2012 - 2013 was the better equipped to get us out of this league.
[quote][p][bold]bearwoodred[/bold] wrote: Just reading the comments above and have a few thoughts. Not checked but isn'tt the revenue from the Johnstones Paint final shared across the whole of the two leagues? Which seems a bit harsh of the teams who get there but I think there is a cash prize for winner and runner up but the gate receipts are split! Could be wrong! These sort of results happen for every team - Bury and Colchester last year! Very frsutrating when you are expecting to win and easy to start blaming all and sundry. Cooper has tried to change things and it did not work, move on - I am sure he probably learnt a lot today. I think Cooper is doing a good job and working with a lot of good youngsters who will get better if we can keep them. We are quite safe and with a bit more lady luck could sneak into the play offs - unluckly maybe, but we will continue to win more than we lose - have some faith. Glad Troy is back and that Reis was on the bench. Perhaps teams have worked us out a bit and Cooper will have to readjust things. It's not the end of the world if Byrne has a bad game - I still think he;s a good young player and will be important to us. I still maintain that the only two I would still have from last year is Macca and Ritchie. It;s a good developing squad, give it time and support. It's also a miles better league than last year. We battered two of the teams that went up last year and should have beaten Donny. This year you have Wolves and Posh, but look at Brentford, Orient, Preston, Walsall and Rotherham - all loads better than last year and maybe that will be us next year - Walsall, Preston, Brentofd and Orent all got better over time and were clearly works in progress. My concern is getting the ball forward quicker than we do perhaps, but I rather we tried to play than some of the dross we had last year espcially when we went behind. The Walsall goal on Tuesday came from their keeper who sent it out to the right quickly when Pritch was still gettinig back. Some slick passing later and we were 1 down and no wonoder their keeper ran up to the half way line to celebrate., Mass and Pritch are still for me learning about the art of delivery and I would like to see more assists from both of them. Both often cut in when a simple ball would be the better option - ask Nile on Tuesday!! We are 5 points off the play off place but 5 points clear of MK Dons in 10th and 14 from relegation. Considering what was going on this time last year I am happy with that.[/p][/quote]I think a year ago on Tuesday we we were top of the league after an emphatic win at Tranmere, Up until the end of December we were playing some scintillating football when we had Martin, Holland's and Ritchie in the team, unfortunately things went horribly wrong and despite giving it our best shot against Brentford in the play-off's, it was never going to be enough with the embargo preventing us strengthening the squad. Agree with many of the points you have made, but with that team we had then had we been able to keep it together were not work in progress, they were close to the finished article. Unfortunately it all went horribly wrong and we are where we are today for all the reasons we have had to endure this past year. it's always a matter of opinion of course, but mine is the team 2012 - 2013 was the better equipped to get us out of this league. old town robin
  • Score: 2

10:52am Sun 2 Feb 14

old town robin says...

Wilesy wrote:
swwindon61uk wrote:
Lets be honest here most of this message board were saying we were relegation certainties at the start of the season, so to be 9th going into February has to be some sort of achievement right?
The same people were saying City were certain for promotion now they have Flint and Portsmouth were certainties fro promotion now they have Ferry.....
Myself at the start of the season i did not commit one way or another until after the Spurs friendly and i thought we would finish half way.
Next season when some of the players who do not feature contracts run out is when i think we will have a better season next year, with a settled pre-season and more importantly hopefully a settled team.
Weather Cooper is here remains to be seen,but i can see it has he will be the cheap option.
Not against Cooper but some of his decisions of late have been questionable IMHO.
It's a good question will Cooper be here next season?

50-50 I reckon, yes we are 9th and every interview he says we are a young side and stick with us, but in the last 2 months have we shown signs of progress? Have obvious faults with the tactics been rectified it have we stubbornly carried on regardless? Have we recruited well during Jan or have we got in 1 good player out of the 3?

In my view I think he will need to make a few changes and get a loan or two in. I am not particularly enjoying the entertainment offered at present, and judging by the empty seats at the CG neither are others. At the very least you shouldn't have to worry if the side are going to put in a shift each game that should be a given.

Certainly not saying Cooper out and really hope things pick up.
Wilsey, From the young players brought in in the summer, how many have actually got better since being here. Kasim started well, but seemed to drop off once he got his contract, now, I'm not sure which Yaser is going to turn up, great potential but not consistent. same goes for Luango, definitely hasn't got better, which is a concern after 40 odd games he should be adapting to this standard and being an influence on bossing the midfield.

Many may disagree, but I think both Hall and Branco have improved, I would also like to see Barcham given his chance as he's never let us down. Unable to judge Reis, or Alex Smith because of injury, Mason has one or two good games and injured again, we've only ever got a glimpse of his true potential. Byrnes and Nat Thompson have gone backwards, although Nat is showing signs of returning to his form of last season, he's been asked to play a different type of game getting forward and he's found it hard.. I honestly think that Cooper does not know Byrnes best position and he's got no chance of nailing one down as he's Mr Utility man. From the Academy has Storey and Louis Thompson really made the grade, for me they are still very raw and have a long way to go before cementing a place of their own in a starting 11

Probably Sherwood is pleased with the progress made by Pritchard, but 10 yellows shows poor discipline record. In fact the whole team have received too many cards, it must be getting close to 40 yellows by now.

Summing up, I think the young players that have been given their chance to be established professional footballers this season have not progressed enough to be considered outstanding successes. Whether that is down to the level of coaching at STFC or whether 90% of them are just not going to make it at Championship level, I don't know, but some will need to up their game if as many think our "work in progress" bunch of youngsters are going to step up next season when the ones that are still here will have to show they have improved as players, because they won't be able to get away with "young ones" card for ever.
[quote][p][bold]Wilesy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]swwindon61uk[/bold] wrote: Lets be honest here most of this message board were saying we were relegation certainties at the start of the season, so to be 9th going into February has to be some sort of achievement right? The same people were saying City were certain for promotion now they have Flint and Portsmouth were certainties fro promotion now they have Ferry..... Myself at the start of the season i did not commit one way or another until after the Spurs friendly and i thought we would finish half way. Next season when some of the players who do not feature contracts run out is when i think we will have a better season next year, with a settled pre-season and more importantly hopefully a settled team. Weather Cooper is here remains to be seen,but i can see it has he will be the cheap option. Not against Cooper but some of his decisions of late have been questionable IMHO.[/p][/quote]It's a good question will Cooper be here next season? 50-50 I reckon, yes we are 9th and every interview he says we are a young side and stick with us, but in the last 2 months have we shown signs of progress? Have obvious faults with the tactics been rectified it have we stubbornly carried on regardless? Have we recruited well during Jan or have we got in 1 good player out of the 3? In my view I think he will need to make a few changes and get a loan or two in. I am not particularly enjoying the entertainment offered at present, and judging by the empty seats at the CG neither are others. At the very least you shouldn't have to worry if the side are going to put in a shift each game that should be a given. Certainly not saying Cooper out and really hope things pick up.[/p][/quote]Wilsey, From the young players brought in in the summer, how many have actually got better since being here. Kasim started well, but seemed to drop off once he got his contract, now, I'm not sure which Yaser is going to turn up, great potential but not consistent. same goes for Luango, definitely hasn't got better, which is a concern after 40 odd games he should be adapting to this standard and being an influence on bossing the midfield. Many may disagree, but I think both Hall and Branco have improved, I would also like to see Barcham given his chance as he's never let us down. Unable to judge Reis, or Alex Smith because of injury, Mason has one or two good games and injured again, we've only ever got a glimpse of his true potential. Byrnes and Nat Thompson have gone backwards, although Nat is showing signs of returning to his form of last season, he's been asked to play a different type of game getting forward and he's found it hard.. I honestly think that Cooper does not know Byrnes best position and he's got no chance of nailing one down as he's Mr Utility man. From the Academy has Storey and Louis Thompson really made the grade, for me they are still very raw and have a long way to go before cementing a place of their own in a starting 11 Probably Sherwood is pleased with the progress made by Pritchard, but 10 yellows shows poor discipline record. In fact the whole team have received too many cards, it must be getting close to 40 yellows by now. Summing up, I think the young players that have been given their chance to be established professional footballers this season have not progressed enough to be considered outstanding successes. Whether that is down to the level of coaching at STFC or whether 90% of them are just not going to make it at Championship level, I don't know, but some will need to up their game if as many think our "work in progress" bunch of youngsters are going to step up next season when the ones that are still here will have to show they have improved as players, because they won't be able to get away with "young ones" card for ever. old town robin
  • Score: 3

11:15am Sun 2 Feb 14

Robinonfire says...

Keep up the good work Cooperman
Keep up the good work Cooperman Robinonfire
  • Score: -12

11:59am Sun 2 Feb 14

mancrobin says...

old town robin wrote:
Wilesy wrote:
swwindon61uk wrote:
Lets be honest here most of this message board were saying we were relegation certainties at the start of the season, so to be 9th going into February has to be some sort of achievement right?
The same people were saying City were certain for promotion now they have Flint and Portsmouth were certainties fro promotion now they have Ferry.....
Myself at the start of the season i did not commit one way or another until after the Spurs friendly and i thought we would finish half way.
Next season when some of the players who do not feature contracts run out is when i think we will have a better season next year, with a settled pre-season and more importantly hopefully a settled team.
Weather Cooper is here remains to be seen,but i can see it has he will be the cheap option.
Not against Cooper but some of his decisions of late have been questionable IMHO.
It's a good question will Cooper be here next season?

50-50 I reckon, yes we are 9th and every interview he says we are a young side and stick with us, but in the last 2 months have we shown signs of progress? Have obvious faults with the tactics been rectified it have we stubbornly carried on regardless? Have we recruited well during Jan or have we got in 1 good player out of the 3?

In my view I think he will need to make a few changes and get a loan or two in. I am not particularly enjoying the entertainment offered at present, and judging by the empty seats at the CG neither are others. At the very least you shouldn't have to worry if the side are going to put in a shift each game that should be a given.

Certainly not saying Cooper out and really hope things pick up.
Wilsey, From the young players brought in in the summer, how many have actually got better since being here. Kasim started well, but seemed to drop off once he got his contract, now, I'm not sure which Yaser is going to turn up, great potential but not consistent. same goes for Luango, definitely hasn't got better, which is a concern after 40 odd games he should be adapting to this standard and being an influence on bossing the midfield.

Many may disagree, but I think both Hall and Branco have improved, I would also like to see Barcham given his chance as he's never let us down. Unable to judge Reis, or Alex Smith because of injury, Mason has one or two good games and injured again, we've only ever got a glimpse of his true potential. Byrnes and Nat Thompson have gone backwards, although Nat is showing signs of returning to his form of last season, he's been asked to play a different type of game getting forward and he's found it hard.. I honestly think that Cooper does not know Byrnes best position and he's got no chance of nailing one down as he's Mr Utility man. From the Academy has Storey and Louis Thompson really made the grade, for me they are still very raw and have a long way to go before cementing a place of their own in a starting 11

Probably Sherwood is pleased with the progress made by Pritchard, but 10 yellows shows poor discipline record. In fact the whole team have received too many cards, it must be getting close to 40 yellows by now.

Summing up, I think the young players that have been given their chance to be established professional footballers this season have not progressed enough to be considered outstanding successes. Whether that is down to the level of coaching at STFC or whether 90% of them are just not going to make it at Championship level, I don't know, but some will need to up their game if as many think our &quot;work in progress" bunch of youngsters are going to step up next season when the ones that are still here will have to show they have improved as players, because they won't be able to get away with "young ones" card for ever.
I think that's an interesting and fair analysis OTR but the key question how do young players develop? I'm sure there is always going to be an element of 2 steps forward, 1 step back and the real issue is often inconsistency.

The answer to that would be evident if we could see what was going on in between games in relation to the coaching. I've only heard good things about that, including from the players and it's clearly good enough to satisfy Tim Sherwood's standards.
[quote][p][bold]old town robin[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Wilesy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]swwindon61uk[/bold] wrote: Lets be honest here most of this message board were saying we were relegation certainties at the start of the season, so to be 9th going into February has to be some sort of achievement right? The same people were saying City were certain for promotion now they have Flint and Portsmouth were certainties fro promotion now they have Ferry..... Myself at the start of the season i did not commit one way or another until after the Spurs friendly and i thought we would finish half way. Next season when some of the players who do not feature contracts run out is when i think we will have a better season next year, with a settled pre-season and more importantly hopefully a settled team. Weather Cooper is here remains to be seen,but i can see it has he will be the cheap option. Not against Cooper but some of his decisions of late have been questionable IMHO.[/p][/quote]It's a good question will Cooper be here next season? 50-50 I reckon, yes we are 9th and every interview he says we are a young side and stick with us, but in the last 2 months have we shown signs of progress? Have obvious faults with the tactics been rectified it have we stubbornly carried on regardless? Have we recruited well during Jan or have we got in 1 good player out of the 3? In my view I think he will need to make a few changes and get a loan or two in. I am not particularly enjoying the entertainment offered at present, and judging by the empty seats at the CG neither are others. At the very least you shouldn't have to worry if the side are going to put in a shift each game that should be a given. Certainly not saying Cooper out and really hope things pick up.[/p][/quote]Wilsey, From the young players brought in in the summer, how many have actually got better since being here. Kasim started well, but seemed to drop off once he got his contract, now, I'm not sure which Yaser is going to turn up, great potential but not consistent. same goes for Luango, definitely hasn't got better, which is a concern after 40 odd games he should be adapting to this standard and being an influence on bossing the midfield. Many may disagree, but I think both Hall and Branco have improved, I would also like to see Barcham given his chance as he's never let us down. Unable to judge Reis, or Alex Smith because of injury, Mason has one or two good games and injured again, we've only ever got a glimpse of his true potential. Byrnes and Nat Thompson have gone backwards, although Nat is showing signs of returning to his form of last season, he's been asked to play a different type of game getting forward and he's found it hard.. I honestly think that Cooper does not know Byrnes best position and he's got no chance of nailing one down as he's Mr Utility man. From the Academy has Storey and Louis Thompson really made the grade, for me they are still very raw and have a long way to go before cementing a place of their own in a starting 11 Probably Sherwood is pleased with the progress made by Pritchard, but 10 yellows shows poor discipline record. In fact the whole team have received too many cards, it must be getting close to 40 yellows by now. Summing up, I think the young players that have been given their chance to be established professional footballers this season have not progressed enough to be considered outstanding successes. Whether that is down to the level of coaching at STFC or whether 90% of them are just not going to make it at Championship level, I don't know, but some will need to up their game if as many think our "work in progress" bunch of youngsters are going to step up next season when the ones that are still here will have to show they have improved as players, because they won't be able to get away with "young ones" card for ever.[/p][/quote]I think that's an interesting and fair analysis OTR but the key question how do young players develop? I'm sure there is always going to be an element of 2 steps forward, 1 step back and the real issue is often inconsistency. The answer to that would be evident if we could see what was going on in between games in relation to the coaching. I've only heard good things about that, including from the players and it's clearly good enough to satisfy Tim Sherwood's standards. mancrobin
  • Score: 0

12:35pm Sun 2 Feb 14

Wilesy says...

Well said manc and OTR, agree with all that although I think you could go further and say that as a team both collectively and tactically we have taken a step back. Harsh? Yes, but fair. Fans following us round the country have seen a season of really poor lightweight performances barring a couple of very good days.

The coaching may be fantastic and we may have over achieved at the start of the season, but you have to judge on the end product on the pitch, and it's not very impressive. Cooper keeps saying give us a chance give us a chance we are young and learning etc etc, but we're not improving, and I can't see it all clicking into place in the near future. Our small midfield players are not going to grow and not be pushed off the ball every time, we need some muscle in there alongside.

Unless something radical changes I can see attendances dipping under 7000 as the season fizzles out.

Feeling very negative probably due to the abject performance yesterday but being reflective and looking at how we have played over the last few months it really isn't very good.

No longer a happy clapper!
Well said manc and OTR, agree with all that although I think you could go further and say that as a team both collectively and tactically we have taken a step back. Harsh? Yes, but fair. Fans following us round the country have seen a season of really poor lightweight performances barring a couple of very good days. The coaching may be fantastic and we may have over achieved at the start of the season, but you have to judge on the end product on the pitch, and it's not very impressive. Cooper keeps saying give us a chance give us a chance we are young and learning etc etc, but we're not improving, and I can't see it all clicking into place in the near future. Our small midfield players are not going to grow and not be pushed off the ball every time, we need some muscle in there alongside. Unless something radical changes I can see attendances dipping under 7000 as the season fizzles out. Feeling very negative probably due to the abject performance yesterday but being reflective and looking at how we have played over the last few months it really isn't very good. No longer a happy clapper! Wilesy
  • Score: 2

12:38pm Sun 2 Feb 14

old town robin says...

Good point on the two steps forward and one step back Wilsey which as you say contributes to inconsistency. I don't think it's so important of what Tim Sherwoods opinion is compared with that of Cooper and Lee Power. After all another 20 games and the Tottenham contingent will no longer be our concern

So my next question is could the young players have done better if they had had more experienced players like Douglas along side them guiding them and taking responsibilty. I believe most of the fans that actually go to games have been of one voice that we lack a dominant midfielder that can defend and orchestrate the tempo of the game. Hartley when he's fit has been a big disappointment IMO, Wardy at the back has actually got better these past few games with Branco alongside him, not vocal enough as captain and will probably be looking to concentrating on his coaching after this season. So where does that leave us with any wise old heads, apart from Jay who is not that old and probably got a couple more season with us if he looks after himself. .

Will be interesting to see if we bring anyone in when the loan window opens up again, but as far as I'm aware Coops has not looked at any players to fill that void we are crying out for in midfield.
Good point on the two steps forward and one step back Wilsey which as you say contributes to inconsistency. I don't think it's so important of what Tim Sherwoods opinion is compared with that of Cooper and Lee Power. After all another 20 games and the Tottenham contingent will no longer be our concern So my next question is could the young players have done better if they had had more experienced players like Douglas along side them guiding them and taking responsibilty. I believe most of the fans that actually go to games have been of one voice that we lack a dominant midfielder that can defend and orchestrate the tempo of the game. Hartley when he's fit has been a big disappointment IMO, Wardy at the back has actually got better these past few games with Branco alongside him, not vocal enough as captain and will probably be looking to concentrating on his coaching after this season. So where does that leave us with any wise old heads, apart from Jay who is not that old and probably got a couple more season with us if he looks after himself. . Will be interesting to see if we bring anyone in when the loan window opens up again, but as far as I'm aware Coops has not looked at any players to fill that void we are crying out for in midfield. old town robin
  • Score: 1

12:51pm Sun 2 Feb 14

The Jockster says...

Press quote - Latics boss Lee Johnson said " we played the conditions better than they did. It was a boggy pitch. Played in howling winds. While I'm an advocate of Barcelona football at times you just can't do that. " Exactimondo Coops do you get the message?
I had reservations our lightweights would struge in heavier pitches and that is certainly proving to be the case. Time for a rethink Mr C.
Press quote - Latics boss Lee Johnson said " we played the conditions better than they did. It was a boggy pitch. Played in howling winds. While I'm an advocate of Barcelona football at times you just can't do that. " Exactimondo Coops do you get the message? I had reservations our lightweights would struge in heavier pitches and that is certainly proving to be the case. Time for a rethink Mr C. The Jockster
  • Score: -4

1:03pm Sun 2 Feb 14

buckobassettboy says...

smirg kcab wrote:
Sorry chaps what annoyed me the most was cooper wants honest people at the club, yet after he so says he was resting people for the jpt ( which most fans cant or won't go due to wembley rip off effect) so I think cooper should have been honest enough on his pre match interview and tell fans( the people who pays for his wages) that his plan was to rest people. Well me for one who lambasted him when he was appointed decided to give him a chance, I don't mind losing and I said we will win as many as we lose. I found the resting of players yesterday a disgrace ans as paying fans should be refunded for that shambolic, utter disgrace of a team, tactics,formation,
I don't believe power told cooper to rest players, so the ball lies firmly at coopers door.
Also due to the game being in doubt on Friday people like him must understand most of us lives for swindon town and wouldn't have it any other way.
You RIPPED the FANS off yesterday and something must give
I'm sure 7,300 will remember the two games against against a relegation fodder Oldham as one of the lowest points in the towns history.
Time to go and employ someone who respects the fans
Stfc fans you can give me as many minuses as you like this is the truth get real, he took the piiss yesterday
I must of known something-back in the Swindon environs for a party on Friday with a rare opportunity to see the town on home soil and at 2pm on Saturday afternoon I had a moment of inspiration joining the M4 east from Basset-Do I watch the pile of crap that it turned out to be or keep heading East?Traffic was quite light and I hit Chiswick around 3.30.Just to satisfy my curiosity I watched the very brief highlights-is that the right word?7000 Odd fans were mugged in broad daylight and Troy thinks he is Mel Nurse.Been on the payroll as a sick-note for god knows how long and thanks us all with that stunning performance.God help us all
[quote][p][bold]smirg kcab[/bold] wrote: Sorry chaps what annoyed me the most was cooper wants honest people at the club, yet after he so says he was resting people for the jpt ( which most fans cant or won't go due to wembley rip off effect) so I think cooper should have been honest enough on his pre match interview and tell fans( the people who pays for his wages) that his plan was to rest people. Well me for one who lambasted him when he was appointed decided to give him a chance, I don't mind losing and I said we will win as many as we lose. I found the resting of players yesterday a disgrace ans as paying fans should be refunded for that shambolic, utter disgrace of a team, tactics,formation, I don't believe power told cooper to rest players, so the ball lies firmly at coopers door. Also due to the game being in doubt on Friday people like him must understand most of us lives for swindon town and wouldn't have it any other way. You RIPPED the FANS off yesterday and something must give I'm sure 7,300 will remember the two games against against a relegation fodder Oldham as one of the lowest points in the towns history. Time to go and employ someone who respects the fans Stfc fans you can give me as many minuses as you like this is the truth get real, he took the piiss yesterday[/p][/quote]I must of known something-back in the Swindon environs for a party on Friday with a rare opportunity to see the town on home soil and at 2pm on Saturday afternoon I had a moment of inspiration joining the M4 east from Basset-Do I watch the pile of crap that it turned out to be or keep heading East?Traffic was quite light and I hit Chiswick around 3.30.Just to satisfy my curiosity I watched the very brief highlights-is that the right word?7000 Odd fans were mugged in broad daylight and Troy thinks he is Mel Nurse.Been on the payroll as a sick-note for god knows how long and thanks us all with that stunning performance.God help us all buckobassettboy
  • Score: -2

1:04pm Sun 2 Feb 14

buckobassettboy says...

smirg kcab wrote:
Sorry chaps what annoyed me the most was cooper wants honest people at the club, yet after he so says he was resting people for the jpt ( which most fans cant or won't go due to wembley rip off effect) so I think cooper should have been honest enough on his pre match interview and tell fans( the people who pays for his wages) that his plan was to rest people. Well me for one who lambasted him when he was appointed decided to give him a chance, I don't mind losing and I said we will win as many as we lose. I found the resting of players yesterday a disgrace ans as paying fans should be refunded for that shambolic, utter disgrace of a team, tactics,formation,
I don't believe power told cooper to rest players, so the ball lies firmly at coopers door.
Also due to the game being in doubt on Friday people like him must understand most of us lives for swindon town and wouldn't have it any other way.
You RIPPED the FANS off yesterday and something must give
I'm sure 7,300 will remember the two games against against a relegation fodder Oldham as one of the lowest points in the towns history.
Time to go and employ someone who respects the fans
Stfc fans you can give me as many minuses as you like this is the truth get real, he took the piiss yesterday
I must of known something-back in the Swindon environs for a party on Friday with a rare opportunity to see the town on home soil and at 2pm on Saturday afternoon I had a moment of inspiration joining the M4 east from Basset-Do I watch the pile of crap that it turned out to be or keep heading East?Traffic was quite light and I hit Chiswick around 3.30.Just to satisfy my curiosity I watched the very brief highlights-is that the right word?7000 Odd fans were mugged in broad daylight and Troy thinks he is Mel Nurse.Been on the payroll as a sick-note for god knows how long and thanks us all with that stunning performance.God help us all
[quote][p][bold]smirg kcab[/bold] wrote: Sorry chaps what annoyed me the most was cooper wants honest people at the club, yet after he so says he was resting people for the jpt ( which most fans cant or won't go due to wembley rip off effect) so I think cooper should have been honest enough on his pre match interview and tell fans( the people who pays for his wages) that his plan was to rest people. Well me for one who lambasted him when he was appointed decided to give him a chance, I don't mind losing and I said we will win as many as we lose. I found the resting of players yesterday a disgrace ans as paying fans should be refunded for that shambolic, utter disgrace of a team, tactics,formation, I don't believe power told cooper to rest players, so the ball lies firmly at coopers door. Also due to the game being in doubt on Friday people like him must understand most of us lives for swindon town and wouldn't have it any other way. You RIPPED the FANS off yesterday and something must give I'm sure 7,300 will remember the two games against against a relegation fodder Oldham as one of the lowest points in the towns history. Time to go and employ someone who respects the fans Stfc fans you can give me as many minuses as you like this is the truth get real, he took the piiss yesterday[/p][/quote]I must of known something-back in the Swindon environs for a party on Friday with a rare opportunity to see the town on home soil and at 2pm on Saturday afternoon I had a moment of inspiration joining the M4 east from Basset-Do I watch the pile of crap that it turned out to be or keep heading East?Traffic was quite light and I hit Chiswick around 3.30.Just to satisfy my curiosity I watched the very brief highlights-is that the right word?7000 Odd fans were mugged in broad daylight and Troy thinks he is Mel Nurse.Been on the payroll as a sick-note for god knows how long and thanks us all with that stunning performance.God help us all buckobassettboy
  • Score: -2

1:09pm Sun 2 Feb 14

smirg kcab says...

old town robin wrote:
bearwoodred wrote:
Just reading the comments above and have a few thoughts. Not checked but isn'tt the revenue from the Johnstones Paint final shared across the whole of the two leagues? Which seems a bit harsh of the teams who get there but I think there is a cash prize for winner and runner up but the gate receipts are split! Could be wrong!

These sort of results happen for every team - Bury and Colchester last year! Very frsutrating when you are expecting to win and easy to start blaming all and sundry. Cooper has tried to change things and it did not work, move on - I am sure he probably learnt a lot today. I think Cooper is doing a good job and working with a lot of good youngsters who will get better if we can keep them. We are quite safe and with a bit more lady luck could sneak into the play offs - unluckly maybe, but we will continue to win more than we lose - have some faith. Glad Troy is back and that Reis was on the bench.

Perhaps teams have worked us out a bit and Cooper will have to readjust things. It's not the end of the world if Byrne has a bad game - I still think he;s a good young player and will be important to us. I still maintain that the only two I would still have from last year is Macca and Ritchie. It;s a good developing squad, give it time and support.

It's also a miles better league than last year. We battered two of the teams that went up last year and should have beaten Donny. This year you have Wolves and Posh, but look at Brentford, Orient, Preston, Walsall and Rotherham - all loads better than last year and maybe that will be us next year - Walsall, Preston, Brentofd and Orent all got better over time and were clearly works in progress.

My concern is getting the ball forward quicker than we do perhaps, but I rather we tried to play than some of the dross we had last year espcially when we went behind. The Walsall goal on Tuesday came from their keeper who sent it out to the right quickly when Pritch was still gettinig back. Some slick passing later and we were 1 down and no wonoder their keeper ran up to the half way line to celebrate., Mass and Pritch are still for me learning about the art of delivery and I would like to see more assists from both of them. Both often cut in when a simple ball would be the better option - ask Nile on Tuesday!!

We are 5 points off the play off place but 5 points clear of MK Dons in 10th and 14 from relegation. Considering what was going on this time last year I am happy with that.
I think a year ago on Tuesday we we were top of the league after an emphatic win at Tranmere, Up until the end of December we were playing some scintillating football when we had Martin, Holland's and Ritchie in the team, unfortunately things went horribly wrong and despite giving it our best shot against Brentford in the play-off's, it was never going to be enough with the embargo preventing us strengthening the squad.

Agree with many of the points you have made, but with that team we had then had we been able to keep it together were not work in progress, they were close to the finished article. Unfortunately it all went horribly wrong and we are where we are today for all the reasons we have had to endure this past year. it's always a matter of opinion of course, but mine is the team 2012 - 2013 was the better equipped to get us out of this league.
Then old McDonald came along e-I-e-I-o with a 4-6-0 here and and 4-5-1 there Wes conceding Here and conceding there
Old McDonald chucked the league e-I-e-I-o
[quote][p][bold]old town robin[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]bearwoodred[/bold] wrote: Just reading the comments above and have a few thoughts. Not checked but isn'tt the revenue from the Johnstones Paint final shared across the whole of the two leagues? Which seems a bit harsh of the teams who get there but I think there is a cash prize for winner and runner up but the gate receipts are split! Could be wrong! These sort of results happen for every team - Bury and Colchester last year! Very frsutrating when you are expecting to win and easy to start blaming all and sundry. Cooper has tried to change things and it did not work, move on - I am sure he probably learnt a lot today. I think Cooper is doing a good job and working with a lot of good youngsters who will get better if we can keep them. We are quite safe and with a bit more lady luck could sneak into the play offs - unluckly maybe, but we will continue to win more than we lose - have some faith. Glad Troy is back and that Reis was on the bench. Perhaps teams have worked us out a bit and Cooper will have to readjust things. It's not the end of the world if Byrne has a bad game - I still think he;s a good young player and will be important to us. I still maintain that the only two I would still have from last year is Macca and Ritchie. It;s a good developing squad, give it time and support. It's also a miles better league than last year. We battered two of the teams that went up last year and should have beaten Donny. This year you have Wolves and Posh, but look at Brentford, Orient, Preston, Walsall and Rotherham - all loads better than last year and maybe that will be us next year - Walsall, Preston, Brentofd and Orent all got better over time and were clearly works in progress. My concern is getting the ball forward quicker than we do perhaps, but I rather we tried to play than some of the dross we had last year espcially when we went behind. The Walsall goal on Tuesday came from their keeper who sent it out to the right quickly when Pritch was still gettinig back. Some slick passing later and we were 1 down and no wonoder their keeper ran up to the half way line to celebrate., Mass and Pritch are still for me learning about the art of delivery and I would like to see more assists from both of them. Both often cut in when a simple ball would be the better option - ask Nile on Tuesday!! We are 5 points off the play off place but 5 points clear of MK Dons in 10th and 14 from relegation. Considering what was going on this time last year I am happy with that.[/p][/quote]I think a year ago on Tuesday we we were top of the league after an emphatic win at Tranmere, Up until the end of December we were playing some scintillating football when we had Martin, Holland's and Ritchie in the team, unfortunately things went horribly wrong and despite giving it our best shot against Brentford in the play-off's, it was never going to be enough with the embargo preventing us strengthening the squad. Agree with many of the points you have made, but with that team we had then had we been able to keep it together were not work in progress, they were close to the finished article. Unfortunately it all went horribly wrong and we are where we are today for all the reasons we have had to endure this past year. it's always a matter of opinion of course, but mine is the team 2012 - 2013 was the better equipped to get us out of this league.[/p][/quote]Then old McDonald came along e-I-e-I-o with a 4-6-0 here and and 4-5-1 there Wes conceding Here and conceding there Old McDonald chucked the league e-I-e-I-o smirg kcab
  • Score: -2

1:43pm Sun 2 Feb 14

burley01rs says...

Get secure from relegation and then start playing our loaned out youth players plus troy
Get secure from relegation and then start playing our loaned out youth players plus troy burley01rs
  • Score: 0

1:52pm Sun 2 Feb 14

candlestrobe says...

Easy to have an opinion with hindsight. How many commented on tactics, lineup and players BEFORE the match?

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Easy to have an opinion with hindsight. How many commented on tactics, lineup and players BEFORE the match? http://www.swindonad vertiser.co.uk/sport /10977184.Cooper_war y_of_Latics_threat/ candlestrobe
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2:13pm Sun 2 Feb 14

dazzastfc says...

mancrobin wrote:
old town robin wrote:
Wilesy wrote:
swwindon61uk wrote:
Lets be honest here most of this message board were saying we were relegation certainties at the start of the season, so to be 9th going into February has to be some sort of achievement right?
The same people were saying City were certain for promotion now they have Flint and Portsmouth were certainties fro promotion now they have Ferry.....
Myself at the start of the season i did not commit one way or another until after the Spurs friendly and i thought we would finish half way.
Next season when some of the players who do not feature contracts run out is when i think we will have a better season next year, with a settled pre-season and more importantly hopefully a settled team.
Weather Cooper is here remains to be seen,but i can see it has he will be the cheap option.
Not against Cooper but some of his decisions of late have been questionable IMHO.
It's a good question will Cooper be here next season?

50-50 I reckon, yes we are 9th and every interview he says we are a young side and stick with us, but in the last 2 months have we shown signs of progress? Have obvious faults with the tactics been rectified it have we stubbornly carried on regardless? Have we recruited well during Jan or have we got in 1 good player out of the 3?

In my view I think he will need to make a few changes and get a loan or two in. I am not particularly enjoying the entertainment offered at present, and judging by the empty seats at the CG neither are others. At the very least you shouldn't have to worry if the side are going to put in a shift each game that should be a given.

Certainly not saying Cooper out and really hope things pick up.
Wilsey, From the young players brought in in the summer, how many have actually got better since being here. Kasim started well, but seemed to drop off once he got his contract, now, I'm not sure which Yaser is going to turn up, great potential but not consistent. same goes for Luango, definitely hasn't got better, which is a concern after 40 odd games he should be adapting to this standard and being an influence on bossing the midfield.

Many may disagree, but I think both Hall and Branco have improved, I would also like to see Barcham given his chance as he's never let us down. Unable to judge Reis, or Alex Smith because of injury, Mason has one or two good games and injured again, we've only ever got a glimpse of his true potential. Byrnes and Nat Thompson have gone backwards, although Nat is showing signs of returning to his form of last season, he's been asked to play a different type of game getting forward and he's found it hard.. I honestly think that Cooper does not know Byrnes best position and he's got no chance of nailing one down as he's Mr Utility man. From the Academy has Storey and Louis Thompson really made the grade, for me they are still very raw and have a long way to go before cementing a place of their own in a starting 11

Probably Sherwood is pleased with the progress made by Pritchard, but 10 yellows shows poor discipline record. In fact the whole team have received too many cards, it must be getting close to 40 yellows by now.

Summing up, I think the young players that have been given their chance to be established professional footballers this season have not progressed enough to be considered outstanding successes. Whether that is down to the level of coaching at STFC or whether 90% of them are just not going to make it at Championship level, I don't know, but some will need to up their game if as many think our &quot;work in progress" bunch of youngsters are going to step up next season when the ones that are still here will have to show they have improved as players, because they won't be able to get away with "young ones" card for ever.
I think that's an interesting and fair analysis OTR but the key question how do young players develop? I'm sure there is always going to be an element of 2 steps forward, 1 step back and the real issue is often inconsistency.

The answer to that would be evident if we could see what was going on in between games in relation to the coaching. I've only heard good things about that, including from the players and it's clearly good enough to satisfy Tim Sherwood's standards.
Young players will develop..
BUT it all depends on who your teachers are ???.

Me I DONT see Dooper as a Manager and he is not a teacher..
Any one can talk a good game and say the right things,and to me this is why Power Made him manager

So we are a young team and so say still learning ?..
Question..How many Swindon Town players have developed so far this season...
[quote][p][bold]mancrobin[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]old town robin[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Wilesy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]swwindon61uk[/bold] wrote: Lets be honest here most of this message board were saying we were relegation certainties at the start of the season, so to be 9th going into February has to be some sort of achievement right? The same people were saying City were certain for promotion now they have Flint and Portsmouth were certainties fro promotion now they have Ferry..... Myself at the start of the season i did not commit one way or another until after the Spurs friendly and i thought we would finish half way. Next season when some of the players who do not feature contracts run out is when i think we will have a better season next year, with a settled pre-season and more importantly hopefully a settled team. Weather Cooper is here remains to be seen,but i can see it has he will be the cheap option. Not against Cooper but some of his decisions of late have been questionable IMHO.[/p][/quote]It's a good question will Cooper be here next season? 50-50 I reckon, yes we are 9th and every interview he says we are a young side and stick with us, but in the last 2 months have we shown signs of progress? Have obvious faults with the tactics been rectified it have we stubbornly carried on regardless? Have we recruited well during Jan or have we got in 1 good player out of the 3? In my view I think he will need to make a few changes and get a loan or two in. I am not particularly enjoying the entertainment offered at present, and judging by the empty seats at the CG neither are others. At the very least you shouldn't have to worry if the side are going to put in a shift each game that should be a given. Certainly not saying Cooper out and really hope things pick up.[/p][/quote]Wilsey, From the young players brought in in the summer, how many have actually got better since being here. Kasim started well, but seemed to drop off once he got his contract, now, I'm not sure which Yaser is going to turn up, great potential but not consistent. same goes for Luango, definitely hasn't got better, which is a concern after 40 odd games he should be adapting to this standard and being an influence on bossing the midfield. Many may disagree, but I think both Hall and Branco have improved, I would also like to see Barcham given his chance as he's never let us down. Unable to judge Reis, or Alex Smith because of injury, Mason has one or two good games and injured again, we've only ever got a glimpse of his true potential. Byrnes and Nat Thompson have gone backwards, although Nat is showing signs of returning to his form of last season, he's been asked to play a different type of game getting forward and he's found it hard.. I honestly think that Cooper does not know Byrnes best position and he's got no chance of nailing one down as he's Mr Utility man. From the Academy has Storey and Louis Thompson really made the grade, for me they are still very raw and have a long way to go before cementing a place of their own in a starting 11 Probably Sherwood is pleased with the progress made by Pritchard, but 10 yellows shows poor discipline record. In fact the whole team have received too many cards, it must be getting close to 40 yellows by now. Summing up, I think the young players that have been given their chance to be established professional footballers this season have not progressed enough to be considered outstanding successes. Whether that is down to the level of coaching at STFC or whether 90% of them are just not going to make it at Championship level, I don't know, but some will need to up their game if as many think our "work in progress" bunch of youngsters are going to step up next season when the ones that are still here will have to show they have improved as players, because they won't be able to get away with "young ones" card for ever.[/p][/quote]I think that's an interesting and fair analysis OTR but the key question how do young players develop? I'm sure there is always going to be an element of 2 steps forward, 1 step back and the real issue is often inconsistency. The answer to that would be evident if we could see what was going on in between games in relation to the coaching. I've only heard good things about that, including from the players and it's clearly good enough to satisfy Tim Sherwood's standards.[/p][/quote]Young players will develop.. BUT it all depends on who your teachers are ???. Me I DONT see Dooper as a Manager and he is not a teacher.. Any one can talk a good game and say the right things,and to me this is why Power Made him manager So we are a young team and so say still learning ?.. Question..How many Swindon Town players have developed so far this season... dazzastfc
  • Score: -2

2:15pm Sun 2 Feb 14

Oi Den! says...

mancrobin wrote:
old town robin wrote:
Wilesy wrote:
swwindon61uk wrote:
Lets be honest here most of this message board were saying we were relegation certainties at the start of the season, so to be 9th going into February has to be some sort of achievement right?
The same people were saying City were certain for promotion now they have Flint and Portsmouth were certainties fro promotion now they have Ferry.....
Myself at the start of the season i did not commit one way or another until after the Spurs friendly and i thought we would finish half way.
Next season when some of the players who do not feature contracts run out is when i think we will have a better season next year, with a settled pre-season and more importantly hopefully a settled team.
Weather Cooper is here remains to be seen,but i can see it has he will be the cheap option.
Not against Cooper but some of his decisions of late have been questionable IMHO.
It's a good question will Cooper be here next season?

50-50 I reckon, yes we are 9th and every interview he says we are a young side and stick with us, but in the last 2 months have we shown signs of progress? Have obvious faults with the tactics been rectified it have we stubbornly carried on regardless? Have we recruited well during Jan or have we got in 1 good player out of the 3?

In my view I think he will need to make a few changes and get a loan or two in. I am not particularly enjoying the entertainment offered at present, and judging by the empty seats at the CG neither are others. At the very least you shouldn't have to worry if the side are going to put in a shift each game that should be a given.

Certainly not saying Cooper out and really hope things pick up.
Wilsey, From the young players brought in in the summer, how many have actually got better since being here. Kasim started well, but seemed to drop off once he got his contract, now, I'm not sure which Yaser is going to turn up, great potential but not consistent. same goes for Luango, definitely hasn't got better, which is a concern after 40 odd games he should be adapting to this standard and being an influence on bossing the midfield.

Many may disagree, but I think both Hall and Branco have improved, I would also like to see Barcham given his chance as he's never let us down. Unable to judge Reis, or Alex Smith because of injury, Mason has one or two good games and injured again, we've only ever got a glimpse of his true potential. Byrnes and Nat Thompson have gone backwards, although Nat is showing signs of returning to his form of last season, he's been asked to play a different type of game getting forward and he's found it hard.. I honestly think that Cooper does not know Byrnes best position and he's got no chance of nailing one down as he's Mr Utility man. From the Academy has Storey and Louis Thompson really made the grade, for me they are still very raw and have a long way to go before cementing a place of their own in a starting 11

Probably Sherwood is pleased with the progress made by Pritchard, but 10 yellows shows poor discipline record. In fact the whole team have received too many cards, it must be getting close to 40 yellows by now.

Summing up, I think the young players that have been given their chance to be established professional footballers this season have not progressed enough to be considered outstanding successes. Whether that is down to the level of coaching at STFC or whether 90% of them are just not going to make it at Championship level, I don't know, but some will need to up their game if as many think our &quot;work in progress" bunch of youngsters are going to step up next season when the ones that are still here will have to show they have improved as players, because they won't be able to get away with "young ones" card for ever.
I think that's an interesting and fair analysis OTR but the key question how do young players develop? I'm sure there is always going to be an element of 2 steps forward, 1 step back and the real issue is often inconsistency.

The answer to that would be evident if we could see what was going on in between games in relation to the coaching. I've only heard good things about that, including from the players and it's clearly good enough to satisfy Tim Sherwood's standards.
manc, the problem is not that we are helping young players to develop. The problem is that we have too many of them at the same time. Can anyone honestly say yesterday's result and performance were a surprise? The only surprise to me is that the run of good home results didn't end earlier. Football is a winter game and we have a squad of summer footballers.

Cooper still has my full support because I think he has done a fantastic job to keep this weak squad so high in the table. However, I'm with Grim on yesterday's tinkering. With important League points at stake, we played with an experimental team. That's just not acceptable. If Cooper and Power think a third rate knockout competition is more important than our League status, then they've clearly got their priorities all wrong. They are starting to test the patience of even the most positive minded fans.
[quote][p][bold]mancrobin[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]old town robin[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Wilesy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]swwindon61uk[/bold] wrote: Lets be honest here most of this message board were saying we were relegation certainties at the start of the season, so to be 9th going into February has to be some sort of achievement right? The same people were saying City were certain for promotion now they have Flint and Portsmouth were certainties fro promotion now they have Ferry..... Myself at the start of the season i did not commit one way or another until after the Spurs friendly and i thought we would finish half way. Next season when some of the players who do not feature contracts run out is when i think we will have a better season next year, with a settled pre-season and more importantly hopefully a settled team. Weather Cooper is here remains to be seen,but i can see it has he will be the cheap option. Not against Cooper but some of his decisions of late have been questionable IMHO.[/p][/quote]It's a good question will Cooper be here next season? 50-50 I reckon, yes we are 9th and every interview he says we are a young side and stick with us, but in the last 2 months have we shown signs of progress? Have obvious faults with the tactics been rectified it have we stubbornly carried on regardless? Have we recruited well during Jan or have we got in 1 good player out of the 3? In my view I think he will need to make a few changes and get a loan or two in. I am not particularly enjoying the entertainment offered at present, and judging by the empty seats at the CG neither are others. At the very least you shouldn't have to worry if the side are going to put in a shift each game that should be a given. Certainly not saying Cooper out and really hope things pick up.[/p][/quote]Wilsey, From the young players brought in in the summer, how many have actually got better since being here. Kasim started well, but seemed to drop off once he got his contract, now, I'm not sure which Yaser is going to turn up, great potential but not consistent. same goes for Luango, definitely hasn't got better, which is a concern after 40 odd games he should be adapting to this standard and being an influence on bossing the midfield. Many may disagree, but I think both Hall and Branco have improved, I would also like to see Barcham given his chance as he's never let us down. Unable to judge Reis, or Alex Smith because of injury, Mason has one or two good games and injured again, we've only ever got a glimpse of his true potential. Byrnes and Nat Thompson have gone backwards, although Nat is showing signs of returning to his form of last season, he's been asked to play a different type of game getting forward and he's found it hard.. I honestly think that Cooper does not know Byrnes best position and he's got no chance of nailing one down as he's Mr Utility man. From the Academy has Storey and Louis Thompson really made the grade, for me they are still very raw and have a long way to go before cementing a place of their own in a starting 11 Probably Sherwood is pleased with the progress made by Pritchard, but 10 yellows shows poor discipline record. In fact the whole team have received too many cards, it must be getting close to 40 yellows by now. Summing up, I think the young players that have been given their chance to be established professional footballers this season have not progressed enough to be considered outstanding successes. Whether that is down to the level of coaching at STFC or whether 90% of them are just not going to make it at Championship level, I don't know, but some will need to up their game if as many think our "work in progress" bunch of youngsters are going to step up next season when the ones that are still here will have to show they have improved as players, because they won't be able to get away with "young ones" card for ever.[/p][/quote]I think that's an interesting and fair analysis OTR but the key question how do young players develop? I'm sure there is always going to be an element of 2 steps forward, 1 step back and the real issue is often inconsistency. The answer to that would be evident if we could see what was going on in between games in relation to the coaching. I've only heard good things about that, including from the players and it's clearly good enough to satisfy Tim Sherwood's standards.[/p][/quote]manc, the problem is not that we are helping young players to develop. The problem is that we have too many of them at the same time. Can anyone honestly say yesterday's result and performance were a surprise? The only surprise to me is that the run of good home results didn't end earlier. Football is a winter game and we have a squad of summer footballers. Cooper still has my full support because I think he has done a fantastic job to keep this weak squad so high in the table. However, I'm with Grim on yesterday's tinkering. With important League points at stake, we played with an experimental team. That's just not acceptable. If Cooper and Power think a third rate knockout competition is more important than our League status, then they've clearly got their priorities all wrong. They are starting to test the patience of even the most positive minded fans. Oi Den!
  • Score: 1

2:33pm Sun 2 Feb 14

smirg kcab says...

Oi Den! wrote:
mancrobin wrote:
old town robin wrote:
Wilesy wrote:
swwindon61uk wrote:
Lets be honest here most of this message board were saying we were relegation certainties at the start of the season, so to be 9th going into February has to be some sort of achievement right?
The same people were saying City were certain for promotion now they have Flint and Portsmouth were certainties fro promotion now they have Ferry.....
Myself at the start of the season i did not commit one way or another until after the Spurs friendly and i thought we would finish half way.
Next season when some of the players who do not feature contracts run out is when i think we will have a better season next year, with a settled pre-season and more importantly hopefully a settled team.
Weather Cooper is here remains to be seen,but i can see it has he will be the cheap option.
Not against Cooper but some of his decisions of late have been questionable IMHO.
It's a good question will Cooper be here next season?

50-50 I reckon, yes we are 9th and every interview he says we are a young side and stick with us, but in the last 2 months have we shown signs of progress? Have obvious faults with the tactics been rectified it have we stubbornly carried on regardless? Have we recruited well during Jan or have we got in 1 good player out of the 3?

In my view I think he will need to make a few changes and get a loan or two in. I am not particularly enjoying the entertainment offered at present, and judging by the empty seats at the CG neither are others. At the very least you shouldn't have to worry if the side are going to put in a shift each game that should be a given.

Certainly not saying Cooper out and really hope things pick up.
Wilsey, From the young players brought in in the summer, how many have actually got better since being here. Kasim started well, but seemed to drop off once he got his contract, now, I'm not sure which Yaser is going to turn up, great potential but not consistent. same goes for Luango, definitely hasn't got better, which is a concern after 40 odd games he should be adapting to this standard and being an influence on bossing the midfield.

Many may disagree, but I think both Hall and Branco have improved, I would also like to see Barcham given his chance as he's never let us down. Unable to judge Reis, or Alex Smith because of injury, Mason has one or two good games and injured again, we've only ever got a glimpse of his true potential. Byrnes and Nat Thompson have gone backwards, although Nat is showing signs of returning to his form of last season, he's been asked to play a different type of game getting forward and he's found it hard.. I honestly think that Cooper does not know Byrnes best position and he's got no chance of nailing one down as he's Mr Utility man. From the Academy has Storey and Louis Thompson really made the grade, for me they are still very raw and have a long way to go before cementing a place of their own in a starting 11

Probably Sherwood is pleased with the progress made by Pritchard, but 10 yellows shows poor discipline record. In fact the whole team have received too many cards, it must be getting close to 40 yellows by now.

Summing up, I think the young players that have been given their chance to be established professional footballers this season have not progressed enough to be considered outstanding successes. Whether that is down to the level of coaching at STFC or whether 90% of them are just not going to make it at Championship level, I don't know, but some will need to up their game if as many think our &quot;work in progress" bunch of youngsters are going to step up next season when the ones that are still here will have to show they have improved as players, because they won't be able to get away with "young ones" card for ever.
I think that's an interesting and fair analysis OTR but the key question how do young players develop? I'm sure there is always going to be an element of 2 steps forward, 1 step back and the real issue is often inconsistency.

The answer to that would be evident if we could see what was going on in between games in relation to the coaching. I've only heard good things about that, including from the players and it's clearly good enough to satisfy Tim Sherwood's standards.
manc, the problem is not that we are helping young players to develop. The problem is that we have too many of them at the same time. Can anyone honestly say yesterday's result and performance were a surprise? The only surprise to me is that the run of good home results didn't end earlier. Football is a winter game and we have a squad of summer footballers.

Cooper still has my full support because I think he has done a fantastic job to keep this weak squad so high in the table. However, I'm with Grim on yesterday's tinkering. With important League points at stake, we played with an experimental team. That's just not acceptable. If Cooper and Power think a third rate knockout competition is more important than our League status, then they've clearly got their priorities all wrong. They are starting to test the patience of even the most positive minded fans.
Thumbs up from me den. You me and wilsey are the only three who says it how it is. As for some on here I bet they told their wives we won.
I'm still disgusted on the whole set up yesterday and wish the game had been a wash out.
Agree with you how can 8/9/10 young players all developer together? It's impossible.
Players like barker, smith and others would have the reverse effect playing the way we did yesterday, cooper want rangers work rate to improve and take a leaf out of smiths book, well even smith gave up the ghost running and I don't blame him. Cooper actually destroyed what looked a great player last week to a player who looks as tho he's never kicked a ball in his life.
The only player I felt for yesterday was ward after all the shiit we gave he actually done ok for once this season and we didn't look we would concede against another relegation fodder looking team.
Power should have the sense to cut price tickets for jpt home leg. Because a big defeat which we are due, no one including myself will go.
[quote][p][bold]Oi Den![/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mancrobin[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]old town robin[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Wilesy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]swwindon61uk[/bold] wrote: Lets be honest here most of this message board were saying we were relegation certainties at the start of the season, so to be 9th going into February has to be some sort of achievement right? The same people were saying City were certain for promotion now they have Flint and Portsmouth were certainties fro promotion now they have Ferry..... Myself at the start of the season i did not commit one way or another until after the Spurs friendly and i thought we would finish half way. Next season when some of the players who do not feature contracts run out is when i think we will have a better season next year, with a settled pre-season and more importantly hopefully a settled team. Weather Cooper is here remains to be seen,but i can see it has he will be the cheap option. Not against Cooper but some of his decisions of late have been questionable IMHO.[/p][/quote]It's a good question will Cooper be here next season? 50-50 I reckon, yes we are 9th and every interview he says we are a young side and stick with us, but in the last 2 months have we shown signs of progress? Have obvious faults with the tactics been rectified it have we stubbornly carried on regardless? Have we recruited well during Jan or have we got in 1 good player out of the 3? In my view I think he will need to make a few changes and get a loan or two in. I am not particularly enjoying the entertainment offered at present, and judging by the empty seats at the CG neither are others. At the very least you shouldn't have to worry if the side are going to put in a shift each game that should be a given. Certainly not saying Cooper out and really hope things pick up.[/p][/quote]Wilsey, From the young players brought in in the summer, how many have actually got better since being here. Kasim started well, but seemed to drop off once he got his contract, now, I'm not sure which Yaser is going to turn up, great potential but not consistent. same goes for Luango, definitely hasn't got better, which is a concern after 40 odd games he should be adapting to this standard and being an influence on bossing the midfield. Many may disagree, but I think both Hall and Branco have improved, I would also like to see Barcham given his chance as he's never let us down. Unable to judge Reis, or Alex Smith because of injury, Mason has one or two good games and injured again, we've only ever got a glimpse of his true potential. Byrnes and Nat Thompson have gone backwards, although Nat is showing signs of returning to his form of last season, he's been asked to play a different type of game getting forward and he's found it hard.. I honestly think that Cooper does not know Byrnes best position and he's got no chance of nailing one down as he's Mr Utility man. From the Academy has Storey and Louis Thompson really made the grade, for me they are still very raw and have a long way to go before cementing a place of their own in a starting 11 Probably Sherwood is pleased with the progress made by Pritchard, but 10 yellows shows poor discipline record. In fact the whole team have received too many cards, it must be getting close to 40 yellows by now. Summing up, I think the young players that have been given their chance to be established professional footballers this season have not progressed enough to be considered outstanding successes. Whether that is down to the level of coaching at STFC or whether 90% of them are just not going to make it at Championship level, I don't know, but some will need to up their game if as many think our "work in progress" bunch of youngsters are going to step up next season when the ones that are still here will have to show they have improved as players, because they won't be able to get away with "young ones" card for ever.[/p][/quote]I think that's an interesting and fair analysis OTR but the key question how do young players develop? I'm sure there is always going to be an element of 2 steps forward, 1 step back and the real issue is often inconsistency. The answer to that would be evident if we could see what was going on in between games in relation to the coaching. I've only heard good things about that, including from the players and it's clearly good enough to satisfy Tim Sherwood's standards.[/p][/quote]manc, the problem is not that we are helping young players to develop. The problem is that we have too many of them at the same time. Can anyone honestly say yesterday's result and performance were a surprise? The only surprise to me is that the run of good home results didn't end earlier. Football is a winter game and we have a squad of summer footballers. Cooper still has my full support because I think he has done a fantastic job to keep this weak squad so high in the table. However, I'm with Grim on yesterday's tinkering. With important League points at stake, we played with an experimental team. That's just not acceptable. If Cooper and Power think a third rate knockout competition is more important than our League status, then they've clearly got their priorities all wrong. They are starting to test the patience of even the most positive minded fans.[/p][/quote]Thumbs up from me den. You me and wilsey are the only three who says it how it is. As for some on here I bet they told their wives we won. I'm still disgusted on the whole set up yesterday and wish the game had been a wash out. Agree with you how can 8/9/10 young players all developer together? It's impossible. Players like barker, smith and others would have the reverse effect playing the way we did yesterday, cooper want rangers work rate to improve and take a leaf out of smiths book, well even smith gave up the ghost running and I don't blame him. Cooper actually destroyed what looked a great player last week to a player who looks as tho he's never kicked a ball in his life. The only player I felt for yesterday was ward after all the shiit we gave he actually done ok for once this season and we didn't look we would concede against another relegation fodder looking team. Power should have the sense to cut price tickets for jpt home leg. Because a big defeat which we are due, no one including myself will go. smirg kcab
  • Score: -1

2:44pm Sun 2 Feb 14

swwindon61uk says...

£15 for the home leg,good fair price IMHO.
£15 for the home leg,good fair price IMHO. swwindon61uk
  • Score: 0

3:43pm Sun 2 Feb 14

smirg kcab says...

swwindon61uk wrote:
£15 for the home leg,good fair price IMHO.
Not if we are 2 or more down its not.
We are due a hammering, should have happened against Coventry,posh and shrews.
I bet you won't go unlEss you've been sucked in already
[quote][p][bold]swwindon61uk[/bold] wrote: £15 for the home leg,good fair price IMHO.[/p][/quote]Not if we are 2 or more down its not. We are due a hammering, should have happened against Coventry,posh and shrews. I bet you won't go unlEss you've been sucked in already smirg kcab
  • Score: -4

3:45pm Sun 2 Feb 14

smirg kcab says...

swwindon61uk wrote:
£15 for the home leg,good fair price IMHO.
£10 for 1st leg same teams playing in the return
[quote][p][bold]swwindon61uk[/bold] wrote: £15 for the home leg,good fair price IMHO.[/p][/quote]£10 for 1st leg same teams playing in the return smirg kcab
  • Score: -2

4:09pm Sun 2 Feb 14

swwindon61uk says...

smirg kcab wrote:
swwindon61uk wrote:
£15 for the home leg,good fair price IMHO.
Not if we are 2 or more down its not.
We are due a hammering, should have happened against Coventry,posh and shrews.
I bet you won't go unlEss you've been sucked in already
I will go, especially as i do not think we will get thrashed?
Will you go to Wembley if we get there? because we might get thrashed there also.
[quote][p][bold]smirg kcab[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]swwindon61uk[/bold] wrote: £15 for the home leg,good fair price IMHO.[/p][/quote]Not if we are 2 or more down its not. We are due a hammering, should have happened against Coventry,posh and shrews. I bet you won't go unlEss you've been sucked in already[/p][/quote]I will go, especially as i do not think we will get thrashed? Will you go to Wembley if we get there? because we might get thrashed there also. swwindon61uk
  • Score: 2

4:38pm Sun 2 Feb 14

LeGod says...

That tream selection told me we have no ambition to even try to make the play offs and MC and Power see the JPT as more important. That performance was pathetic yesterday and sorry to say it and i know it was his first game but Barker is no where near good enough for the first team the lad we signed from Marlow is not ready yet either.
Bryne was useless and couldnt cross for toffee and the only positive out of yesterday was Troy who looke really good. His passing, heading, pace his running out of the back with the ball to me he was the only one who i enjoyed watching.
Right from the start of the game Oldham had more desire than us but if Cooper and Power are more intersted in the JPT than even attempting to make a play off place then dont they realise that crowds will go down as they are gradually by the week.
For the play off you have sell out crowds for semi finals, TV Money, bigger crowd at wembley. Fior the JPT you never have a sell out crowd plus the money you make is less and the crowd for the final will be lower as we had last time which was about 47000 from memory whereas a play off final will be at least 70.80 thousand.
Barker looked like a little bo y lost yesterday and what cooper should have done is started with our strongest 11 to go in front and then introduce Barker etc from the bench or play the team yesterday on wedensday night in the JPT.
Ww had the opportunity to close the gap on the top 6 yesterday and yet again we cocked it up with another inept performance.
I'm really P****D off that to ne that seems our ambition this season the final of the JPT nd not attempting the play offs having said that were not good enough anyway to go up.
That tream selection told me we have no ambition to even try to make the play offs and MC and Power see the JPT as more important. That performance was pathetic yesterday and sorry to say it and i know it was his first game but Barker is no where near good enough for the first team the lad we signed from Marlow is not ready yet either. Bryne was useless and couldnt cross for toffee and the only positive out of yesterday was Troy who looke really good. His passing, heading, pace his running out of the back with the ball to me he was the only one who i enjoyed watching. Right from the start of the game Oldham had more desire than us but if Cooper and Power are more intersted in the JPT than even attempting to make a play off place then dont they realise that crowds will go down as they are gradually by the week. For the play off you have sell out crowds for semi finals, TV Money, bigger crowd at wembley. Fior the JPT you never have a sell out crowd plus the money you make is less and the crowd for the final will be lower as we had last time which was about 47000 from memory whereas a play off final will be at least 70.80 thousand. Barker looked like a little bo y lost yesterday and what cooper should have done is started with our strongest 11 to go in front and then introduce Barker etc from the bench or play the team yesterday on wedensday night in the JPT. Ww had the opportunity to close the gap on the top 6 yesterday and yet again we cocked it up with another inept performance. I'm really P****D off that to ne that seems our ambition this season the final of the JPT nd not attempting the play offs having said that were not good enough anyway to go up. LeGod
  • Score: 0

4:48pm Sun 2 Feb 14

LeGod says...

Ifd cooper and power think we are safe in this league we are no where near it in March we have Orient,Preston,Wolve
s,Brentford all to play and Port Vale next week the bottom team are catching up and only 11 points behind us. Massive mistake yesterday Mr Cooper picking that team and we could be looking over our shoulder very soon if this lot dont pick their game up and start performing.
All this crap about players being tired give me a break i work 12 hours a day sometimes longer probabaly like a lot of other people on this forum and some iof these guys need to live in the real worlds and realise we dont get bloody pampered like they do and have all the free time they do so get in the real world and put some effort and desire into your job which is performing on a saturday afternoon.
Ifd cooper and power think we are safe in this league we are no where near it in March we have Orient,Preston,Wolve s,Brentford all to play and Port Vale next week the bottom team are catching up and only 11 points behind us. Massive mistake yesterday Mr Cooper picking that team and we could be looking over our shoulder very soon if this lot dont pick their game up and start performing. All this crap about players being tired give me a break i work 12 hours a day sometimes longer probabaly like a lot of other people on this forum and some iof these guys need to live in the real worlds and realise we dont get bloody pampered like they do and have all the free time they do so get in the real world and put some effort and desire into your job which is performing on a saturday afternoon. LeGod
  • Score: -1

4:55pm Sun 2 Feb 14

smirg kcab says...

swwindon61uk wrote:
smirg kcab wrote:
swwindon61uk wrote:
£15 for the home leg,good fair price IMHO.
Not if we are 2 or more down its not.
We are due a hammering, should have happened against Coventry,posh and shrews.
I bet you won't go unlEss you've been sucked in already
I will go, especially as i do not think we will get thrashed?
Will you go to Wembley if we get there? because we might get thrashed there also.
I go every game just making a point money In the bank is better than no people turning up if the worst comes to the worst.
In your eyes it is worth it as they are taking the tin pot trophy more seriously than the league, I'm sure the s/t holders won't be happy tho,
£10 before this Wednesday and £15 after
I get my tickets for free, so I don't care how you lot get ripped off.
Think they should charge £5/£10 for every home league friendly game now on as they are not taking it serious
Just a thought.
[quote][p][bold]swwindon61uk[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]smirg kcab[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]swwindon61uk[/bold] wrote: £15 for the home leg,good fair price IMHO.[/p][/quote]Not if we are 2 or more down its not. We are due a hammering, should have happened against Coventry,posh and shrews. I bet you won't go unlEss you've been sucked in already[/p][/quote]I will go, especially as i do not think we will get thrashed? Will you go to Wembley if we get there? because we might get thrashed there also.[/p][/quote]I go every game just making a point money In the bank is better than no people turning up if the worst comes to the worst. In your eyes it is worth it as they are taking the tin pot trophy more seriously than the league, I'm sure the s/t holders won't be happy tho, £10 before this Wednesday and £15 after I get my tickets for free, so I don't care how you lot get ripped off. Think they should charge £5/£10 for every home league friendly game now on as they are not taking it serious Just a thought. smirg kcab
  • Score: -4

5:09pm Sun 2 Feb 14

swwindon61uk says...

smirg kcab wrote:
swwindon61uk wrote:
smirg kcab wrote:
swwindon61uk wrote:
£15 for the home leg,good fair price IMHO.
Not if we are 2 or more down its not.
We are due a hammering, should have happened against Coventry,posh and shrews.
I bet you won't go unlEss you've been sucked in already
I will go, especially as i do not think we will get thrashed?
Will you go to Wembley if we get there? because we might get thrashed there also.
I go every game just making a point money In the bank is better than no people turning up if the worst comes to the worst.
In your eyes it is worth it as they are taking the tin pot trophy more seriously than the league, I'm sure the s/t holders won't be happy tho,
£10 before this Wednesday and £15 after
I get my tickets for free, so I don't care how you lot get ripped off.
Think they should charge £5/£10 for every home league friendly game now on as they are not taking it serious
Just a thought.
Where have i said that we are taking the JPT more seriously than the League?
If you look at my post from yesterday i have quite the reverse view.
£15 or not people will be there in volume if they think it will get them a priority ticket for Wenbley,this is where out new points system comes into good play regarding tickets.
[quote][p][bold]smirg kcab[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]swwindon61uk[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]smirg kcab[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]swwindon61uk[/bold] wrote: £15 for the home leg,good fair price IMHO.[/p][/quote]Not if we are 2 or more down its not. We are due a hammering, should have happened against Coventry,posh and shrews. I bet you won't go unlEss you've been sucked in already[/p][/quote]I will go, especially as i do not think we will get thrashed? Will you go to Wembley if we get there? because we might get thrashed there also.[/p][/quote]I go every game just making a point money In the bank is better than no people turning up if the worst comes to the worst. In your eyes it is worth it as they are taking the tin pot trophy more seriously than the league, I'm sure the s/t holders won't be happy tho, £10 before this Wednesday and £15 after I get my tickets for free, so I don't care how you lot get ripped off. Think they should charge £5/£10 for every home league friendly game now on as they are not taking it serious Just a thought.[/p][/quote]Where have i said that we are taking the JPT more seriously than the League? If you look at my post from yesterday i have quite the reverse view. £15 or not people will be there in volume if they think it will get them a priority ticket for Wenbley,this is where out new points system comes into good play regarding tickets. swwindon61uk
  • Score: 0

5:22pm Sun 2 Feb 14

smirg kcab says...

swwindon61uk wrote:
smirg kcab wrote:
swwindon61uk wrote:
smirg kcab wrote:
swwindon61uk wrote:
£15 for the home leg,good fair price IMHO.
Not if we are 2 or more down its not.
We are due a hammering, should have happened against Coventry,posh and shrews.
I bet you won't go unlEss you've been sucked in already
I will go, especially as i do not think we will get thrashed?
Will you go to Wembley if we get there? because we might get thrashed there also.
I go every game just making a point money In the bank is better than no people turning up if the worst comes to the worst.
In your eyes it is worth it as they are taking the tin pot trophy more seriously than the league, I'm sure the s/t holders won't be happy tho,
£10 before this Wednesday and £15 after
I get my tickets for free, so I don't care how you lot get ripped off.
Think they should charge £5/£10 for every home league friendly game now on as they are not taking it serious
Just a thought.
Where have i said that we are taking the JPT more seriously than the League?
If you look at my post from yesterday i have quite the reverse view.
£15 or not people will be there in volume if they think it will get them a priority ticket for Wenbley,this is where out new points system comes into good play regarding tickets.
Where have I said you said that lol? I was referring to the main man who rested players and subbed them yesterday, also your view on priority tickets ain't valid anyway because it was not a 90,000 sell out we only sold 28,000 and you could pay on the day, so I'm not sure you even thought about my post very well.
We are not playing man city,arsenal, Chelsea we will play? Can't remember who's in the other final as its not much of importance.
A great day out for drinking in the green man and meeting other fellow fans,
Don't forget we couldn't sell our allocation against millwall
[quote][p][bold]swwindon61uk[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]smirg kcab[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]swwindon61uk[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]smirg kcab[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]swwindon61uk[/bold] wrote: £15 for the home leg,good fair price IMHO.[/p][/quote]Not if we are 2 or more down its not. We are due a hammering, should have happened against Coventry,posh and shrews. I bet you won't go unlEss you've been sucked in already[/p][/quote]I will go, especially as i do not think we will get thrashed? Will you go to Wembley if we get there? because we might get thrashed there also.[/p][/quote]I go every game just making a point money In the bank is better than no people turning up if the worst comes to the worst. In your eyes it is worth it as they are taking the tin pot trophy more seriously than the league, I'm sure the s/t holders won't be happy tho, £10 before this Wednesday and £15 after I get my tickets for free, so I don't care how you lot get ripped off. Think they should charge £5/£10 for every home league friendly game now on as they are not taking it serious Just a thought.[/p][/quote]Where have i said that we are taking the JPT more seriously than the League? If you look at my post from yesterday i have quite the reverse view. £15 or not people will be there in volume if they think it will get them a priority ticket for Wenbley,this is where out new points system comes into good play regarding tickets.[/p][/quote]Where have I said you said that lol? I was referring to the main man who rested players and subbed them yesterday, also your view on priority tickets ain't valid anyway because it was not a 90,000 sell out we only sold 28,000 and you could pay on the day, so I'm not sure you even thought about my post very well. We are not playing man city,arsenal, Chelsea we will play? Can't remember who's in the other final as its not much of importance. A great day out for drinking in the green man and meeting other fellow fans, Don't forget we couldn't sell our allocation against millwall smirg kcab
  • Score: 1

5:30pm Sun 2 Feb 14

The Jockster says...

candlestrobe wrote:
Easy to have an opinion with hindsight. How many commented on tactics, lineup and players BEFORE the match?

http://www.swindonad

vertiser.co.uk/sport

/10977184.Cooper_war

y_of_Latics_threat/
Plenty!
[quote][p][bold]candlestrobe[/bold] wrote: Easy to have an opinion with hindsight. How many commented on tactics, lineup and players BEFORE the match? http://www.swindonad vertiser.co.uk/sport /10977184.Cooper_war y_of_Latics_threat/[/p][/quote]Plenty! The Jockster
  • Score: -3

5:32pm Sun 2 Feb 14

The Jockster says...

bearwoodred wrote:
The Jockster wrote:
BeArwood I think you're being a tad too generous in your praise we've heard it all before and yes they're a young side yes they're inexperienced but they are also lacking in terms of being able to mix it when the going gets tough and so many anomalies today. We've been found out even more over the last two to three games and it showed glaringly today.
Nonsense - you and Stranglers are far to generous with your criticism and the latter is clearly not happy unless we win with ease and seems to think we should be 10 points clear by now.

If uou have heard it all before why the impatience? As I said with the exception of Wolves and Posh the other teams in the frame have all grown slowly from last year have they not?

What exactly is mixing it up? Maybe we should have a midfield made up of Robbie Savage types - unable to pass or score or shoot or show any team play but capable of kicking someone 3 foot in the air! Don't buy it. We have had more bookings and sendings off this season that I can remember - is that not getting stuck in? Pricth is the worse offender and he is smaller than my 10 year old daugher!! We are not always losing games because the going has got tough - normally it is because of basic errors, mostly by the centre halfs.

We centre fought hard against Walsall who were in my opinion an excellent side even with the ref on their side. Oldham was just one of those games where nothing gets going, every for whatever reason underperforms and we lose - it happens. Not Coopers fault is it?

You watch we'll beat Posh 3 - 1 next week.
If we do and that answer's up there I'll give you the money me self as Les Dennis used to say!
[quote][p][bold]bearwoodred[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The Jockster[/bold] wrote: BeArwood I think you're being a tad too generous in your praise we've heard it all before and yes they're a young side yes they're inexperienced but they are also lacking in terms of being able to mix it when the going gets tough and so many anomalies today. We've been found out even more over the last two to three games and it showed glaringly today.[/p][/quote]Nonsense - you and Stranglers are far to generous with your criticism and the latter is clearly not happy unless we win with ease and seems to think we should be 10 points clear by now. If uou have heard it all before why the impatience? As I said with the exception of Wolves and Posh the other teams in the frame have all grown slowly from last year have they not? What exactly is mixing it up? Maybe we should have a midfield made up of Robbie Savage types - unable to pass or score or shoot or show any team play but capable of kicking someone 3 foot in the air! Don't buy it. We have had more bookings and sendings off this season that I can remember - is that not getting stuck in? Pricth is the worse offender and he is smaller than my 10 year old daugher!! We are not always losing games because the going has got tough - normally it is because of basic errors, mostly by the centre halfs. We centre fought hard against Walsall who were in my opinion an excellent side even with the ref on their side. Oldham was just one of those games where nothing gets going, every for whatever reason underperforms and we lose - it happens. Not Coopers fault is it? You watch we'll beat Posh 3 - 1 next week.[/p][/quote]If we do and that answer's up there I'll give you the money me self as Les Dennis used to say! The Jockster
  • Score: -2

5:35pm Sun 2 Feb 14

swwindon61uk says...

I know we will not sell out but there will be a fair few that do not go and see us in the season for a single season but still want their fingers in the Wembley pie.
I know we will not sell out but there will be a fair few that do not go and see us in the season for a single season but still want their fingers in the Wembley pie. swwindon61uk
  • Score: 0

5:47pm Sun 2 Feb 14

smirg kcab says...

swwindon61uk wrote:
I know we will not sell out but there will be a fair few that do not go and see us in the season for a single season but still want their fingers in the Wembley pie.
It's people's choice if they go or not, what's your problem with that?
It don't give YOU the god **** right to say who can go and who can't,
After all I bet many of the 1969 wembley first timers are people who has purchased season tickets every year since all fans start somewhere,
Your be the first to moan the lack of attendance, I hope if by luck we do get there that 90,000 people from swindon would want tickets but that stupid, saying that I would rather have 28,000 people than 7,300 loyals at wembley as you would wish for.
You haven't got any argument to stand up with me, so jog on.
[quote][p][bold]swwindon61uk[/bold] wrote: I know we will not sell out but there will be a fair few that do not go and see us in the season for a single season but still want their fingers in the Wembley pie.[/p][/quote]It's people's choice if they go or not, what's your problem with that? It don't give YOU the god **** right to say who can go and who can't, After all I bet many of the 1969 wembley first timers are people who has purchased season tickets every year since all fans start somewhere, Your be the first to moan the lack of attendance, I hope if by luck we do get there that 90,000 people from swindon would want tickets but that stupid, saying that I would rather have 28,000 people than 7,300 loyals at wembley as you would wish for. You haven't got any argument to stand up with me, so jog on. smirg kcab
  • Score: -1

5:53pm Sun 2 Feb 14

bearwoodred says...

smirg kcab wrote:
Oi Den! wrote:
mancrobin wrote:
old town robin wrote:
Wilesy wrote:
swwindon61uk wrote:
Lets be honest here most of this message board were saying we were relegation certainties at the start of the season, so to be 9th going into February has to be some sort of achievement right?
The same people were saying City were certain for promotion now they have Flint and Portsmouth were certainties fro promotion now they have Ferry.....
Myself at the start of the season i did not commit one way or another until after the Spurs friendly and i thought we would finish half way.
Next season when some of the players who do not feature contracts run out is when i think we will have a better season next year, with a settled pre-season and more importantly hopefully a settled team.
Weather Cooper is here remains to be seen,but i can see it has he will be the cheap option.
Not against Cooper but some of his decisions of late have been questionable IMHO.
It's a good question will Cooper be here next season?

50-50 I reckon, yes we are 9th and every interview he says we are a young side and stick with us, but in the last 2 months have we shown signs of progress? Have obvious faults with the tactics been rectified it have we stubbornly carried on regardless? Have we recruited well during Jan or have we got in 1 good player out of the 3?

In my view I think he will need to make a few changes and get a loan or two in. I am not particularly enjoying the entertainment offered at present, and judging by the empty seats at the CG neither are others. At the very least you shouldn't have to worry if the side are going to put in a shift each game that should be a given.

Certainly not saying Cooper out and really hope things pick up.
Wilsey, From the young players brought in in the summer, how many have actually got better since being here. Kasim started well, but seemed to drop off once he got his contract, now, I'm not sure which Yaser is going to turn up, great potential but not consistent. same goes for Luango, definitely hasn't got better, which is a concern after 40 odd games he should be adapting to this standard and being an influence on bossing the midfield.

Many may disagree, but I think both Hall and Branco have improved, I would also like to see Barcham given his chance as he's never let us down. Unable to judge Reis, or Alex Smith because of injury, Mason has one or two good games and injured again, we've only ever got a glimpse of his true potential. Byrnes and Nat Thompson have gone backwards, although Nat is showing signs of returning to his form of last season, he's been asked to play a different type of game getting forward and he's found it hard.. I honestly think that Cooper does not know Byrnes best position and he's got no chance of nailing one down as he's Mr Utility man. From the Academy has Storey and Louis Thompson really made the grade, for me they are still very raw and have a long way to go before cementing a place of their own in a starting 11

Probably Sherwood is pleased with the progress made by Pritchard, but 10 yellows shows poor discipline record. In fact the whole team have received too many cards, it must be getting close to 40 yellows by now.

Summing up, I think the young players that have been given their chance to be established professional footballers this season have not progressed enough to be considered outstanding successes. Whether that is down to the level of coaching at STFC or whether 90% of them are just not going to make it at Championship level, I don't know, but some will need to up their game if as many think our &quot;work in progress" bunch of youngsters are going to step up next season when the ones that are still here will have to show they have improved as players, because they won't be able to get away with "young ones" card for ever.
I think that's an interesting and fair analysis OTR but the key question how do young players develop? I'm sure there is always going to be an element of 2 steps forward, 1 step back and the real issue is often inconsistency.

The answer to that would be evident if we could see what was going on in between games in relation to the coaching. I've only heard good things about that, including from the players and it's clearly good enough to satisfy Tim Sherwood's standards.
manc, the problem is not that we are helping young players to develop. The problem is that we have too many of them at the same time. Can anyone honestly say yesterday's result and performance were a surprise? The only surprise to me is that the run of good home results didn't end earlier. Football is a winter game and we have a squad of summer footballers.

Cooper still has my full support because I think he has done a fantastic job to keep this weak squad so high in the table. However, I'm with Grim on yesterday's tinkering. With important League points at stake, we played with an experimental team. That's just not acceptable. If Cooper and Power think a third rate knockout competition is more important than our League status, then they've clearly got their priorities all wrong. They are starting to test the patience of even the most positive minded fans.
Thumbs up from me den. You me and wilsey are the only three who says it how it is. As for some on here I bet they told their wives we won.
I'm still disgusted on the whole set up yesterday and wish the game had been a wash out.
Agree with you how can 8/9/10 young players all developer together? It's impossible.
Players like barker, smith and others would have the reverse effect playing the way we did yesterday, cooper want rangers work rate to improve and take a leaf out of smiths book, well even smith gave up the ghost running and I don't blame him. Cooper actually destroyed what looked a great player last week to a player who looks as tho he's never kicked a ball in his life.
The only player I felt for yesterday was ward after all the shiit we gave he actually done ok for once this season and we didn't look we would concede against another relegation fodder looking team.
Power should have the sense to cut price tickets for jpt home leg. Because a big defeat which we are due, no one including myself will go.
Well Smirg thanks for patronising everyone else on here who dares to have an opinion different to you and the other two. What ever it is that has wound you up don't take it out on other Town fans who have a bit more belierf than you. We lost big deal, move onto the next game - do not assume that everyone else is wrong, I left school years ago.

As for the one of the "darkest day" - grow up, losing at home to Oldham does not compare to other days in the Towns history. You won't be happy with any manager at Swindon if it is not Coops it was MacDonald, who you unfairly labelled horribly I might add. Who would you like instead given that they have to be a) available b) affordable and c) likely to come.

Becasue they are young players, still learning about each other etc. they make mistakes. Cooper rightly in my opinion has tried to change things especially away to combat that and mostly to try and appease people like you. Mostly it has not worked and he has held hand up. Personally I would love to know what YOU would do to change our away form - let's say you are the manager? One thing about Cooper is that he does try differenet things and we have often been better in some games in the second half when he has changed things around.

and of course the players are learning, it takes time to gel etc. Cooper is not at fault when players have a bad game, when it is one you take them off,
Smith probably stopped running because he was worn out - not his fault there was no service.
[quote][p][bold]smirg kcab[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Oi Den![/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mancrobin[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]old town robin[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Wilesy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]swwindon61uk[/bold] wrote: Lets be honest here most of this message board were saying we were relegation certainties at the start of the season, so to be 9th going into February has to be some sort of achievement right? The same people were saying City were certain for promotion now they have Flint and Portsmouth were certainties fro promotion now they have Ferry..... Myself at the start of the season i did not commit one way or another until after the Spurs friendly and i thought we would finish half way. Next season when some of the players who do not feature contracts run out is when i think we will have a better season next year, with a settled pre-season and more importantly hopefully a settled team. Weather Cooper is here remains to be seen,but i can see it has he will be the cheap option. Not against Cooper but some of his decisions of late have been questionable IMHO.[/p][/quote]It's a good question will Cooper be here next season? 50-50 I reckon, yes we are 9th and every interview he says we are a young side and stick with us, but in the last 2 months have we shown signs of progress? Have obvious faults with the tactics been rectified it have we stubbornly carried on regardless? Have we recruited well during Jan or have we got in 1 good player out of the 3? In my view I think he will need to make a few changes and get a loan or two in. I am not particularly enjoying the entertainment offered at present, and judging by the empty seats at the CG neither are others. At the very least you shouldn't have to worry if the side are going to put in a shift each game that should be a given. Certainly not saying Cooper out and really hope things pick up.[/p][/quote]Wilsey, From the young players brought in in the summer, how many have actually got better since being here. Kasim started well, but seemed to drop off once he got his contract, now, I'm not sure which Yaser is going to turn up, great potential but not consistent. same goes for Luango, definitely hasn't got better, which is a concern after 40 odd games he should be adapting to this standard and being an influence on bossing the midfield. Many may disagree, but I think both Hall and Branco have improved, I would also like to see Barcham given his chance as he's never let us down. Unable to judge Reis, or Alex Smith because of injury, Mason has one or two good games and injured again, we've only ever got a glimpse of his true potential. Byrnes and Nat Thompson have gone backwards, although Nat is showing signs of returning to his form of last season, he's been asked to play a different type of game getting forward and he's found it hard.. I honestly think that Cooper does not know Byrnes best position and he's got no chance of nailing one down as he's Mr Utility man. From the Academy has Storey and Louis Thompson really made the grade, for me they are still very raw and have a long way to go before cementing a place of their own in a starting 11 Probably Sherwood is pleased with the progress made by Pritchard, but 10 yellows shows poor discipline record. In fact the whole team have received too many cards, it must be getting close to 40 yellows by now. Summing up, I think the young players that have been given their chance to be established professional footballers this season have not progressed enough to be considered outstanding successes. Whether that is down to the level of coaching at STFC or whether 90% of them are just not going to make it at Championship level, I don't know, but some will need to up their game if as many think our "work in progress" bunch of youngsters are going to step up next season when the ones that are still here will have to show they have improved as players, because they won't be able to get away with "young ones" card for ever.[/p][/quote]I think that's an interesting and fair analysis OTR but the key question how do young players develop? I'm sure there is always going to be an element of 2 steps forward, 1 step back and the real issue is often inconsistency. The answer to that would be evident if we could see what was going on in between games in relation to the coaching. I've only heard good things about that, including from the players and it's clearly good enough to satisfy Tim Sherwood's standards.[/p][/quote]manc, the problem is not that we are helping young players to develop. The problem is that we have too many of them at the same time. Can anyone honestly say yesterday's result and performance were a surprise? The only surprise to me is that the run of good home results didn't end earlier. Football is a winter game and we have a squad of summer footballers. Cooper still has my full support because I think he has done a fantastic job to keep this weak squad so high in the table. However, I'm with Grim on yesterday's tinkering. With important League points at stake, we played with an experimental team. That's just not acceptable. If Cooper and Power think a third rate knockout competition is more important than our League status, then they've clearly got their priorities all wrong. They are starting to test the patience of even the most positive minded fans.[/p][/quote]Thumbs up from me den. You me and wilsey are the only three who says it how it is. As for some on here I bet they told their wives we won. I'm still disgusted on the whole set up yesterday and wish the game had been a wash out. Agree with you how can 8/9/10 young players all developer together? It's impossible. Players like barker, smith and others would have the reverse effect playing the way we did yesterday, cooper want rangers work rate to improve and take a leaf out of smiths book, well even smith gave up the ghost running and I don't blame him. Cooper actually destroyed what looked a great player last week to a player who looks as tho he's never kicked a ball in his life. The only player I felt for yesterday was ward after all the shiit we gave he actually done ok for once this season and we didn't look we would concede against another relegation fodder looking team. Power should have the sense to cut price tickets for jpt home leg. Because a big defeat which we are due, no one including myself will go.[/p][/quote]Well Smirg thanks for patronising everyone else on here who dares to have an opinion different to you and the other two. What ever it is that has wound you up don't take it out on other Town fans who have a bit more belierf than you. We lost big deal, move onto the next game - do not assume that everyone else is wrong, I left school years ago. As for the one of the "darkest day" - grow up, losing at home to Oldham does not compare to other days in the Towns history. You won't be happy with any manager at Swindon if it is not Coops it was MacDonald, who you unfairly labelled horribly I might add. Who would you like instead given that they have to be a) available b) affordable and c) likely to come. Becasue they are young players, still learning about each other etc. they make mistakes. Cooper rightly in my opinion has tried to change things especially away to combat that and mostly to try and appease people like you. Mostly it has not worked and he has held hand up. Personally I would love to know what YOU would do to change our away form - let's say you are the manager? One thing about Cooper is that he does try differenet things and we have often been better in some games in the second half when he has changed things around. and of course the players are learning, it takes time to gel etc. Cooper is not at fault when players have a bad game, when it is one you take them off, Smith probably stopped running because he was worn out - not his fault there was no service. bearwoodred
  • Score: 6

5:59pm Sun 2 Feb 14

swwindon61uk says...

smirg kcab wrote:
swwindon61uk wrote:
I know we will not sell out but there will be a fair few that do not go and see us in the season for a single season but still want their fingers in the Wembley pie.
It's people's choice if they go or not, what's your problem with that?
It don't give YOU the god **** right to say who can go and who can't,
After all I bet many of the 1969 wembley first timers are people who has purchased season tickets every year since all fans start somewhere,
Your be the first to moan the lack of attendance, I hope if by luck we do get there that 90,000 people from swindon would want tickets but that stupid, saying that I would rather have 28,000 people than 7,300 loyals at wembley as you would wish for.
You haven't got any argument to stand up with me, so jog on.
Yet again you are wrong:
Again where did i say who has the right to go or not?
Just stating a fact that is all
I would not care if we only took 2000 there as i would be one of them,i would leave it the moaners that moan and no doubt blame Cooper :-)
Only one person i see wanting the attention of an argument and it is not me!
[quote][p][bold]smirg kcab[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]swwindon61uk[/bold] wrote: I know we will not sell out but there will be a fair few that do not go and see us in the season for a single season but still want their fingers in the Wembley pie.[/p][/quote]It's people's choice if they go or not, what's your problem with that? It don't give YOU the god **** right to say who can go and who can't, After all I bet many of the 1969 wembley first timers are people who has purchased season tickets every year since all fans start somewhere, Your be the first to moan the lack of attendance, I hope if by luck we do get there that 90,000 people from swindon would want tickets but that stupid, saying that I would rather have 28,000 people than 7,300 loyals at wembley as you would wish for. You haven't got any argument to stand up with me, so jog on.[/p][/quote]Yet again you are wrong: Again where did i say who has the right to go or not? Just stating a fact that is all I would not care if we only took 2000 there as i would be one of them,i would leave it the moaners that moan and no doubt blame Cooper :-) Only one person i see wanting the attention of an argument and it is not me! swwindon61uk
  • Score: 1

6:24pm Sun 2 Feb 14

smirg kcab says...

swwindon61uk wrote:
smirg kcab wrote:
swwindon61uk wrote:
I know we will not sell out but there will be a fair few that do not go and see us in the season for a single season but still want their fingers in the Wembley pie.
It's people's choice if they go or not, what's your problem with that?
It don't give YOU the god **** right to say who can go and who can't,
After all I bet many of the 1969 wembley first timers are people who has purchased season tickets every year since all fans start somewhere,
Your be the first to moan the lack of attendance, I hope if by luck we do get there that 90,000 people from swindon would want tickets but that stupid, saying that I would rather have 28,000 people than 7,300 loyals at wembley as you would wish for.
You haven't got any argument to stand up with me, so jog on.
Yet again you are wrong:
Again where did i say who has the right to go or not?
Just stating a fact that is all
I would not care if we only took 2000 there as i would be one of them,i would leave it the moaners that moan and no doubt blame Cooper :-)
Only one person i see wanting the attention of an argument and it is not me!
I'm right always have been always will be when it comes to the likes of you..
That's exactly my point you don't care if 2,000 turn up for the final.
The fixture that cooper thinks is more important than the league,
You certainly know how to hang yourself with your rosé tinted glasses.
Lets hope our season don't finish on Wednesday evening coz we got a lot of
Nothing games where cooper can only hang himself more.
[quote][p][bold]swwindon61uk[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]smirg kcab[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]swwindon61uk[/bold] wrote: I know we will not sell out but there will be a fair few that do not go and see us in the season for a single season but still want their fingers in the Wembley pie.[/p][/quote]It's people's choice if they go or not, what's your problem with that? It don't give YOU the god **** right to say who can go and who can't, After all I bet many of the 1969 wembley first timers are people who has purchased season tickets every year since all fans start somewhere, Your be the first to moan the lack of attendance, I hope if by luck we do get there that 90,000 people from swindon would want tickets but that stupid, saying that I would rather have 28,000 people than 7,300 loyals at wembley as you would wish for. You haven't got any argument to stand up with me, so jog on.[/p][/quote]Yet again you are wrong: Again where did i say who has the right to go or not? Just stating a fact that is all I would not care if we only took 2000 there as i would be one of them,i would leave it the moaners that moan and no doubt blame Cooper :-) Only one person i see wanting the attention of an argument and it is not me![/p][/quote]I'm right always have been always will be when it comes to the likes of you.. That's exactly my point you don't care if 2,000 turn up for the final. The fixture that cooper thinks is more important than the league, You certainly know how to hang yourself with your rosé tinted glasses. Lets hope our season don't finish on Wednesday evening coz we got a lot of Nothing games where cooper can only hang himself more. smirg kcab
  • Score: -4

6:25pm Sun 2 Feb 14

ciclosporindorset says...

Some days I read this site and all I see is the same old, same old. These individals want to have their say but attack the position of others because they belive they ae in some way "better stfc supporters". Some are so self obsessed with their point of view that they cry tears when their ratings go down to minus scores. These are the ones that pretend they are joking or are better informed. If like many on here you have been supporting and watching the club for more than 50 years you may get **** off with their policising of this site. I am not just talking about fredi, but the likes of Jockster too. These individuals and their cronies are not better supporters than you and I. They are simply unpleasant individuals that should be resisted.
Some days I read this site and all I see is the same old, same old. These individals want to have their say but attack the position of others because they belive they ae in some way "better stfc supporters". Some are so self obsessed with their point of view that they cry tears when their ratings go down to minus scores. These are the ones that pretend they are joking or are better informed. If like many on here you have been supporting and watching the club for more than 50 years you may get **** off with their policising of this site. I am not just talking about fredi, but the likes of Jockster too. These individuals and their cronies are not better supporters than you and I. They are simply unpleasant individuals that should be resisted. ciclosporindorset
  • Score: 16

6:37pm Sun 2 Feb 14

smirg kcab says...

bearwoodred wrote:
smirg kcab wrote:
Oi Den! wrote:
mancrobin wrote:
old town robin wrote:
Wilesy wrote:
swwindon61uk wrote:
Lets be honest here most of this message board were saying we were relegation certainties at the start of the season, so to be 9th going into February has to be some sort of achievement right?
The same people were saying City were certain for promotion now they have Flint and Portsmouth were certainties fro promotion now they have Ferry.....
Myself at the start of the season i did not commit one way or another until after the Spurs friendly and i thought we would finish half way.
Next season when some of the players who do not feature contracts run out is when i think we will have a better season next year, with a settled pre-season and more importantly hopefully a settled team.
Weather Cooper is here remains to be seen,but i can see it has he will be the cheap option.
Not against Cooper but some of his decisions of late have been questionable IMHO.
It's a good question will Cooper be here next season?

50-50 I reckon, yes we are 9th and every interview he says we are a young side and stick with us, but in the last 2 months have we shown signs of progress? Have obvious faults with the tactics been rectified it have we stubbornly carried on regardless? Have we recruited well during Jan or have we got in 1 good player out of the 3?

In my view I think he will need to make a few changes and get a loan or two in. I am not particularly enjoying the entertainment offered at present, and judging by the empty seats at the CG neither are others. At the very least you shouldn't have to worry if the side are going to put in a shift each game that should be a given.

Certainly not saying Cooper out and really hope things pick up.
Wilsey, From the young players brought in in the summer, how many have actually got better since being here. Kasim started well, but seemed to drop off once he got his contract, now, I'm not sure which Yaser is going to turn up, great potential but not consistent. same goes for Luango, definitely hasn't got better, which is a concern after 40 odd games he should be adapting to this standard and being an influence on bossing the midfield.

Many may disagree, but I think both Hall and Branco have improved, I would also like to see Barcham given his chance as he's never let us down. Unable to judge Reis, or Alex Smith because of injury, Mason has one or two good games and injured again, we've only ever got a glimpse of his true potential. Byrnes and Nat Thompson have gone backwards, although Nat is showing signs of returning to his form of last season, he's been asked to play a different type of game getting forward and he's found it hard.. I honestly think that Cooper does not know Byrnes best position and he's got no chance of nailing one down as he's Mr Utility man. From the Academy has Storey and Louis Thompson really made the grade, for me they are still very raw and have a long way to go before cementing a place of their own in a starting 11

Probably Sherwood is pleased with the progress made by Pritchard, but 10 yellows shows poor discipline record. In fact the whole team have received too many cards, it must be getting close to 40 yellows by now.

Summing up, I think the young players that have been given their chance to be established professional footballers this season have not progressed enough to be considered outstanding successes. Whether that is down to the level of coaching at STFC or whether 90% of them are just not going to make it at Championship level, I don't know, but some will need to up their game if as many think our &quot;work in progress" bunch of youngsters are going to step up next season when the ones that are still here will have to show they have improved as players, because they won't be able to get away with "young ones" card for ever.
I think that's an interesting and fair analysis OTR but the key question how do young players develop? I'm sure there is always going to be an element of 2 steps forward, 1 step back and the real issue is often inconsistency.

The answer to that would be evident if we could see what was going on in between games in relation to the coaching. I've only heard good things about that, including from the players and it's clearly good enough to satisfy Tim Sherwood's standards.
manc, the problem is not that we are helping young players to develop. The problem is that we have too many of them at the same time. Can anyone honestly say yesterday's result and performance were a surprise? The only surprise to me is that the run of good home results didn't end earlier. Football is a winter game and we have a squad of summer footballers.

Cooper still has my full support because I think he has done a fantastic job to keep this weak squad so high in the table. However, I'm with Grim on yesterday's tinkering. With important League points at stake, we played with an experimental team. That's just not acceptable. If Cooper and Power think a third rate knockout competition is more important than our League status, then they've clearly got their priorities all wrong. They are starting to test the patience of even the most positive minded fans.
Thumbs up from me den. You me and wilsey are the only three who says it how it is. As for some on here I bet they told their wives we won.
I'm still disgusted on the whole set up yesterday and wish the game had been a wash out.
Agree with you how can 8/9/10 young players all developer together? It's impossible.
Players like barker, smith and others would have the reverse effect playing the way we did yesterday, cooper want rangers work rate to improve and take a leaf out of smiths book, well even smith gave up the ghost running and I don't blame him. Cooper actually destroyed what looked a great player last week to a player who looks as tho he's never kicked a ball in his life.
The only player I felt for yesterday was ward after all the shiit we gave he actually done ok for once this season and we didn't look we would concede against another relegation fodder looking team.
Power should have the sense to cut price tickets for jpt home leg. Because a big defeat which we are due, no one including myself will go.
Well Smirg thanks for patronising everyone else on here who dares to have an opinion different to you and the other two. What ever it is that has wound you up don't take it out on other Town fans who have a bit more belierf than you. We lost big deal, move onto the next game - do not assume that everyone else is wrong, I left school years ago.

As for the one of the "darkest day" - grow up, losing at home to Oldham does not compare to other days in the Towns history. You won't be happy with any manager at Swindon if it is not Coops it was MacDonald, who you unfairly labelled horribly I might add. Who would you like instead given that they have to be a) available b) affordable and c) likely to come.

Becasue they are young players, still learning about each other etc. they make mistakes. Cooper rightly in my opinion has tried to change things especially away to combat that and mostly to try and appease people like you. Mostly it has not worked and he has held hand up. Personally I would love to know what YOU would do to change our away form - let's say you are the manager? One thing about Cooper is that he does try differenet things and we have often been better in some games in the second half when he has changed things around.

and of course the players are learning, it takes time to gel etc. Cooper is not at fault when players have a bad game, when it is one you take them off,
Smith probably stopped running because he was worn out - not his fault there was no service.
Love your last quote so it was my fault smith was knackered then, and never had no service, so it's my fault ward has had 26 odd shockers, so it's my fault hall has had 22 odd shockers,?
I agree e everone has an opinion and respect that, just a shame the likes of you and other swindle fans don't respect mine
I get minuses when I applauded cooper subs last week, even tho I didn't agree with playing a pathetic 4-5-1 with ranger who is one of the best forwards in the league.
Grow up
[quote][p][bold]bearwoodred[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]smirg kcab[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Oi Den![/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mancrobin[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]old town robin[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Wilesy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]swwindon61uk[/bold] wrote: Lets be honest here most of this message board were saying we were relegation certainties at the start of the season, so to be 9th going into February has to be some sort of achievement right? The same people were saying City were certain for promotion now they have Flint and Portsmouth were certainties fro promotion now they have Ferry..... Myself at the start of the season i did not commit one way or another until after the Spurs friendly and i thought we would finish half way. Next season when some of the players who do not feature contracts run out is when i think we will have a better season next year, with a settled pre-season and more importantly hopefully a settled team. Weather Cooper is here remains to be seen,but i can see it has he will be the cheap option. Not against Cooper but some of his decisions of late have been questionable IMHO.[/p][/quote]It's a good question will Cooper be here next season? 50-50 I reckon, yes we are 9th and every interview he says we are a young side and stick with us, but in the last 2 months have we shown signs of progress? Have obvious faults with the tactics been rectified it have we stubbornly carried on regardless? Have we recruited well during Jan or have we got in 1 good player out of the 3? In my view I think he will need to make a few changes and get a loan or two in. I am not particularly enjoying the entertainment offered at present, and judging by the empty seats at the CG neither are others. At the very least you shouldn't have to worry if the side are going to put in a shift each game that should be a given. Certainly not saying Cooper out and really hope things pick up.[/p][/quote]Wilsey, From the young players brought in in the summer, how many have actually got better since being here. Kasim started well, but seemed to drop off once he got his contract, now, I'm not sure which Yaser is going to turn up, great potential but not consistent. same goes for Luango, definitely hasn't got better, which is a concern after 40 odd games he should be adapting to this standard and being an influence on bossing the midfield. Many may disagree, but I think both Hall and Branco have improved, I would also like to see Barcham given his chance as he's never let us down. Unable to judge Reis, or Alex Smith because of injury, Mason has one or two good games and injured again, we've only ever got a glimpse of his true potential. Byrnes and Nat Thompson have gone backwards, although Nat is showing signs of returning to his form of last season, he's been asked to play a different type of game getting forward and he's found it hard.. I honestly think that Cooper does not know Byrnes best position and he's got no chance of nailing one down as he's Mr Utility man. From the Academy has Storey and Louis Thompson really made the grade, for me they are still very raw and have a long way to go before cementing a place of their own in a starting 11 Probably Sherwood is pleased with the progress made by Pritchard, but 10 yellows shows poor discipline record. In fact the whole team have received too many cards, it must be getting close to 40 yellows by now. Summing up, I think the young players that have been given their chance to be established professional footballers this season have not progressed enough to be considered outstanding successes. Whether that is down to the level of coaching at STFC or whether 90% of them are just not going to make it at Championship level, I don't know, but some will need to up their game if as many think our "work in progress" bunch of youngsters are going to step up next season when the ones that are still here will have to show they have improved as players, because they won't be able to get away with "young ones" card for ever.[/p][/quote]I think that's an interesting and fair analysis OTR but the key question how do young players develop? I'm sure there is always going to be an element of 2 steps forward, 1 step back and the real issue is often inconsistency. The answer to that would be evident if we could see what was going on in between games in relation to the coaching. I've only heard good things about that, including from the players and it's clearly good enough to satisfy Tim Sherwood's standards.[/p][/quote]manc, the problem is not that we are helping young players to develop. The problem is that we have too many of them at the same time. Can anyone honestly say yesterday's result and performance were a surprise? The only surprise to me is that the run of good home results didn't end earlier. Football is a winter game and we have a squad of summer footballers. Cooper still has my full support because I think he has done a fantastic job to keep this weak squad so high in the table. However, I'm with Grim on yesterday's tinkering. With important League points at stake, we played with an experimental team. That's just not acceptable. If Cooper and Power think a third rate knockout competition is more important than our League status, then they've clearly got their priorities all wrong. They are starting to test the patience of even the most positive minded fans.[/p][/quote]Thumbs up from me den. You me and wilsey are the only three who says it how it is. As for some on here I bet they told their wives we won. I'm still disgusted on the whole set up yesterday and wish the game had been a wash out. Agree with you how can 8/9/10 young players all developer together? It's impossible. Players like barker, smith and others would have the reverse effect playing the way we did yesterday, cooper want rangers work rate to improve and take a leaf out of smiths book, well even smith gave up the ghost running and I don't blame him. Cooper actually destroyed what looked a great player last week to a player who looks as tho he's never kicked a ball in his life. The only player I felt for yesterday was ward after all the shiit we gave he actually done ok for once this season and we didn't look we would concede against another relegation fodder looking team. Power should have the sense to cut price tickets for jpt home leg. Because a big defeat which we are due, no one including myself will go.[/p][/quote]Well Smirg thanks for patronising everyone else on here who dares to have an opinion different to you and the other two. What ever it is that has wound you up don't take it out on other Town fans who have a bit more belierf than you. We lost big deal, move onto the next game - do not assume that everyone else is wrong, I left school years ago. As for the one of the "darkest day" - grow up, losing at home to Oldham does not compare to other days in the Towns history. You won't be happy with any manager at Swindon if it is not Coops it was MacDonald, who you unfairly labelled horribly I might add. Who would you like instead given that they have to be a) available b) affordable and c) likely to come. Becasue they are young players, still learning about each other etc. they make mistakes. Cooper rightly in my opinion has tried to change things especially away to combat that and mostly to try and appease people like you. Mostly it has not worked and he has held hand up. Personally I would love to know what YOU would do to change our away form - let's say you are the manager? One thing about Cooper is that he does try differenet things and we have often been better in some games in the second half when he has changed things around. and of course the players are learning, it takes time to gel etc. Cooper is not at fault when players have a bad game, when it is one you take them off, Smith probably stopped running because he was worn out - not his fault there was no service.[/p][/quote]Love your last quote so it was my fault smith was knackered then, and never had no service, so it's my fault ward has had 26 odd shockers, so it's my fault hall has had 22 odd shockers,? I agree e everone has an opinion and respect that, just a shame the likes of you and other swindle fans don't respect mine I get minuses when I applauded cooper subs last week, even tho I didn't agree with playing a pathetic 4-5-1 with ranger who is one of the best forwards in the league. Grow up smirg kcab
  • Score: -5

6:42pm Sun 2 Feb 14

port de soller says...

Sounded a terrible game,well who is to blame is the Player/cooper???????

Problem is STFC are skint however we still have a club.
Just wished we could have had a decent experienced manager who has worked in lowe leauges yet I don´t thim LP had many applicants.
At the end of the day Money is the problem God help STFC if gates fall.
Yet with what they got they aint done soo bad.Much as we all would like to be in the Play Offs it is just a dream
Hope they do well in cup game next week
Sounded a terrible game,well who is to blame is the Player/cooper??????? Problem is STFC are skint however we still have a club. Just wished we could have had a decent experienced manager who has worked in lowe leauges yet I don´t thim LP had many applicants. At the end of the day Money is the problem God help STFC if gates fall. Yet with what they got they aint done soo bad.Much as we all would like to be in the Play Offs it is just a dream Hope they do well in cup game next week port de soller
  • Score: 1

6:58pm Sun 2 Feb 14

swwindon61uk says...

smirg kcab wrote:
swwindon61uk wrote:
smirg kcab wrote:
swwindon61uk wrote:
I know we will not sell out but there will be a fair few that do not go and see us in the season for a single season but still want their fingers in the Wembley pie.
It's people's choice if they go or not, what's your problem with that?
It don't give YOU the god **** right to say who can go and who can't,
After all I bet many of the 1969 wembley first timers are people who has purchased season tickets every year since all fans start somewhere,
Your be the first to moan the lack of attendance, I hope if by luck we do get there that 90,000 people from swindon would want tickets but that stupid, saying that I would rather have 28,000 people than 7,300 loyals at wembley as you would wish for.
You haven't got any argument to stand up with me, so jog on.
Yet again you are wrong:
Again where did i say who has the right to go or not?
Just stating a fact that is all
I would not care if we only took 2000 there as i would be one of them,i would leave it the moaners that moan and no doubt blame Cooper :-)
Only one person i see wanting the attention of an argument and it is not me!
I'm right always have been always will be when it comes to the likes of you..
That's exactly my point you don't care if 2,000 turn up for the final.
The fixture that cooper thinks is more important than the league,
You certainly know how to hang yourself with your rosé tinted glasses.
Lets hope our season don't finish on Wednesday evening coz we got a lot of
Nothing games where cooper can only hang himself more.
Would rather some one has rose tinted glasses than ,moan and be negative all the time for the sake of it and struggle to accept someone else can have a point a view ,that is very shallow.
[quote][p][bold]smirg kcab[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]swwindon61uk[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]smirg kcab[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]swwindon61uk[/bold] wrote: I know we will not sell out but there will be a fair few that do not go and see us in the season for a single season but still want their fingers in the Wembley pie.[/p][/quote]It's people's choice if they go or not, what's your problem with that? It don't give YOU the god **** right to say who can go and who can't, After all I bet many of the 1969 wembley first timers are people who has purchased season tickets every year since all fans start somewhere, Your be the first to moan the lack of attendance, I hope if by luck we do get there that 90,000 people from swindon would want tickets but that stupid, saying that I would rather have 28,000 people than 7,300 loyals at wembley as you would wish for. You haven't got any argument to stand up with me, so jog on.[/p][/quote]Yet again you are wrong: Again where did i say who has the right to go or not? Just stating a fact that is all I would not care if we only took 2000 there as i would be one of them,i would leave it the moaners that moan and no doubt blame Cooper :-) Only one person i see wanting the attention of an argument and it is not me![/p][/quote]I'm right always have been always will be when it comes to the likes of you.. That's exactly my point you don't care if 2,000 turn up for the final. The fixture that cooper thinks is more important than the league, You certainly know how to hang yourself with your rosé tinted glasses. Lets hope our season don't finish on Wednesday evening coz we got a lot of Nothing games where cooper can only hang himself more.[/p][/quote]Would rather some one has rose tinted glasses than ,moan and be negative all the time for the sake of it and struggle to accept someone else can have a point a view ,that is very shallow. swwindon61uk
  • Score: 3

6:58pm Sun 2 Feb 14

Oi Den! says...

ciclosporindorset wrote:
Some days I read this site and all I see is the same old, same old. These individals want to have their say but attack the position of others because they belive they ae in some way &quot;better stfc supporters". Some are so self obsessed with their point of view that they cry tears when their ratings go down to minus scores. These are the ones that pretend they are joking or are better informed. If like many on here you have been supporting and watching the club for more than 50 years you may get **** off with their policising of this site. I am not just talking about fredi, but the likes of Jockster too. These individuals and their cronies are not better supporters than you and I. They are simply unpleasant individuals that should be resisted.
Of dear ciclo. Yet more criticism of your fellow supporters, with no counter-argument in sight.
[quote][p][bold]ciclosporindorset[/bold] wrote: Some days I read this site and all I see is the same old, same old. These individals want to have their say but attack the position of others because they belive they ae in some way "better stfc supporters". Some are so self obsessed with their point of view that they cry tears when their ratings go down to minus scores. These are the ones that pretend they are joking or are better informed. If like many on here you have been supporting and watching the club for more than 50 years you may get **** off with their policising of this site. I am not just talking about fredi, but the likes of Jockster too. These individuals and their cronies are not better supporters than you and I. They are simply unpleasant individuals that should be resisted.[/p][/quote]Of dear ciclo. Yet more criticism of your fellow supporters, with no counter-argument in sight. Oi Den!
  • Score: -13

7:04pm Sun 2 Feb 14

jayden says...

Will Mark C "rest" players for the PortVale game if Wed's game is called off ?
Will Mark C "rest" players for the PortVale game if Wed's game is called off ? jayden
  • Score: 0

7:07pm Sun 2 Feb 14

alchafreds says...

candlestrobe wrote:
Easy to have an opinion with hindsight. How many commented on tactics, lineup and players BEFORE the match?

http://www.swindonad

vertiser.co.uk/sport

/10977184.Cooper_war

y_of_Latics_threat/
line up i would guess most shocking team selection = shocking performance
cant beleive you never made a comment on the team selection
[quote][p][bold]candlestrobe[/bold] wrote: Easy to have an opinion with hindsight. How many commented on tactics, lineup and players BEFORE the match? http://www.swindonad vertiser.co.uk/sport /10977184.Cooper_war y_of_Latics_threat/[/p][/quote]line up i would guess most shocking team selection = shocking performance cant beleive you never made a comment on the team selection alchafreds
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7:08pm Sun 2 Feb 14

ciclosporindorset says...

Oi Den! wrote:
ciclosporindorset wrote:
Some days I read this site and all I see is the same old, same old. These individals want to have their say but attack the position of others because they belive they ae in some way &quot;better stfc supporters". Some are so self obsessed with their point of view that they cry tears when their ratings go down to minus scores. These are the ones that pretend they are joking or are better informed. If like many on here you have been supporting and watching the club for more than 50 years you may get **** off with their policising of this site. I am not just talking about fredi, but the likes of Jockster too. These individuals and their cronies are not better supporters than you and I. They are simply unpleasant individuals that should be resisted.
Of dear ciclo. Yet more criticism of your fellow supporters, with no counter-argument in sight.
My comment has 4 points den, yours minus one despite my plus to you. That's 5 to he my friend. It's all very petty but is a small reason why so many don't bother with this site these days
[quote][p][bold]Oi Den![/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ciclosporindorset[/bold] wrote: Some days I read this site and all I see is the same old, same old. These individals want to have their say but attack the position of others because they belive they ae in some way "better stfc supporters". Some are so self obsessed with their point of view that they cry tears when their ratings go down to minus scores. These are the ones that pretend they are joking or are better informed. If like many on here you have been supporting and watching the club for more than 50 years you may get **** off with their policising of this site. I am not just talking about fredi, but the likes of Jockster too. These individuals and their cronies are not better supporters than you and I. They are simply unpleasant individuals that should be resisted.[/p][/quote]Of dear ciclo. Yet more criticism of your fellow supporters, with no counter-argument in sight.[/p][/quote]My comment has 4 points den, yours minus one despite my plus to you. That's 5 to he my friend. It's all very petty but is a small reason why so many don't bother with this site these days ciclosporindorset
  • Score: 5

7:11pm Sun 2 Feb 14

The Jockster says...

Grim right behind you Den Manc OTR wilesey and others who if they don't always agree are realists when it comes to assessing the situation with the team and management. None of the aforementioned are calling for Cooper's head are we? But like everybody his tactics like yesterday have to be questioned as does his(and maybe he's acting under Power's instructions?) decision to prioritise the JPT over the league. To me that is almost a heinous crime - where is the desire where is the passion to want to at the very least secure L1 status at the very least.
Bearwood I don't know if you've attended any away games? But if you haven't then I can assure you what you saw yesterday many of us have seen numerous times on the road. If LP & MC don't address the glaring issues (that don't need reiterating- we all know what they are) then despite our apparent lofty league position we'll be struggling to stay up it's as simple as that!
Grim right behind you Den Manc OTR wilesey and others who if they don't always agree are realists when it comes to assessing the situation with the team and management. None of the aforementioned are calling for Cooper's head are we? But like everybody his tactics like yesterday have to be questioned as does his(and maybe he's acting under Power's instructions?) decision to prioritise the JPT over the league. To me that is almost a heinous crime - where is the desire where is the passion to want to at the very least secure L1 status at the very least. Bearwood I don't know if you've attended any away games? But if you haven't then I can assure you what you saw yesterday many of us have seen numerous times on the road. If LP & MC don't address the glaring issues (that don't need reiterating- we all know what they are) then despite our apparent lofty league position we'll be struggling to stay up it's as simple as that! The Jockster
  • Score: -6

7:19pm Sun 2 Feb 14

mancrobin says...

Oi Den! wrote:
mancrobin wrote:
old town robin wrote:
Wilesy wrote:
swwindon61uk wrote:
Lets be honest here most of this message board were saying we were relegation certainties at the start of the season, so to be 9th going into February has to be some sort of achievement right?
The same people were saying City were certain for promotion now they have Flint and Portsmouth were certainties fro promotion now they have Ferry.....
Myself at the start of the season i did not commit one way or another until after the Spurs friendly and i thought we would finish half way.
Next season when some of the players who do not feature contracts run out is when i think we will have a better season next year, with a settled pre-season and more importantly hopefully a settled team.
Weather Cooper is here remains to be seen,but i can see it has he will be the cheap option.
Not against Cooper but some of his decisions of late have been questionable IMHO.
It's a good question will Cooper be here next season?

50-50 I reckon, yes we are 9th and every interview he says we are a young side and stick with us, but in the last 2 months have we shown signs of progress? Have obvious faults with the tactics been rectified it have we stubbornly carried on regardless? Have we recruited well during Jan or have we got in 1 good player out of the 3?

In my view I think he will need to make a few changes and get a loan or two in. I am not particularly enjoying the entertainment offered at present, and judging by the empty seats at the CG neither are others. At the very least you shouldn't have to worry if the side are going to put in a shift each game that should be a given.

Certainly not saying Cooper out and really hope things pick up.
Wilsey, From the young players brought in in the summer, how many have actually got better since being here. Kasim started well, but seemed to drop off once he got his contract, now, I'm not sure which Yaser is going to turn up, great potential but not consistent. same goes for Luango, definitely hasn't got better, which is a concern after 40 odd games he should be adapting to this standard and being an influence on bossing the midfield.

Many may disagree, but I think both Hall and Branco have improved, I would also like to see Barcham given his chance as he's never let us down. Unable to judge Reis, or Alex Smith because of injury, Mason has one or two good games and injured again, we've only ever got a glimpse of his true potential. Byrnes and Nat Thompson have gone backwards, although Nat is showing signs of returning to his form of last season, he's been asked to play a different type of game getting forward and he's found it hard.. I honestly think that Cooper does not know Byrnes best position and he's got no chance of nailing one down as he's Mr Utility man. From the Academy has Storey and Louis Thompson really made the grade, for me they are still very raw and have a long way to go before cementing a place of their own in a starting 11

Probably Sherwood is pleased with the progress made by Pritchard, but 10 yellows shows poor discipline record. In fact the whole team have received too many cards, it must be getting close to 40 yellows by now.

Summing up, I think the young players that have been given their chance to be established professional footballers this season have not progressed enough to be considered outstanding successes. Whether that is down to the level of coaching at STFC or whether 90% of them are just not going to make it at Championship level, I don't know, but some will need to up their game if as many think our &quot;work in progress" bunch of youngsters are going to step up next season when the ones that are still here will have to show they have improved as players, because they won't be able to get away with "young ones" card for ever.
I think that's an interesting and fair analysis OTR but the key question how do young players develop? I'm sure there is always going to be an element of 2 steps forward, 1 step back and the real issue is often inconsistency.

The answer to that would be evident if we could see what was going on in between games in relation to the coaching. I've only heard good things about that, including from the players and it's clearly good enough to satisfy Tim Sherwood's standards.
manc, the problem is not that we are helping young players to develop. The problem is that we have too many of them at the same time. Can anyone honestly say yesterday's result and performance were a surprise? The only surprise to me is that the run of good home results didn't end earlier. Football is a winter game and we have a squad of summer footballers.

Cooper still has my full support because I think he has done a fantastic job to keep this weak squad so high in the table. However, I'm with Grim on yesterday's tinkering. With important League points at stake, we played with an experimental team. That's just not acceptable. If Cooper and Power think a third rate knockout competition is more important than our League status, then they've clearly got their priorities all wrong. They are starting to test the patience of even the most positive minded fans.
Den, are you saying "you can't win anything with kids"?
[quote][p][bold]Oi Den![/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mancrobin[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]old town robin[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Wilesy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]swwindon61uk[/bold] wrote: Lets be honest here most of this message board were saying we were relegation certainties at the start of the season, so to be 9th going into February has to be some sort of achievement right? The same people were saying City were certain for promotion now they have Flint and Portsmouth were certainties fro promotion now they have Ferry..... Myself at the start of the season i did not commit one way or another until after the Spurs friendly and i thought we would finish half way. Next season when some of the players who do not feature contracts run out is when i think we will have a better season next year, with a settled pre-season and more importantly hopefully a settled team. Weather Cooper is here remains to be seen,but i can see it has he will be the cheap option. Not against Cooper but some of his decisions of late have been questionable IMHO.[/p][/quote]It's a good question will Cooper be here next season? 50-50 I reckon, yes we are 9th and every interview he says we are a young side and stick with us, but in the last 2 months have we shown signs of progress? Have obvious faults with the tactics been rectified it have we stubbornly carried on regardless? Have we recruited well during Jan or have we got in 1 good player out of the 3? In my view I think he will need to make a few changes and get a loan or two in. I am not particularly enjoying the entertainment offered at present, and judging by the empty seats at the CG neither are others. At the very least you shouldn't have to worry if the side are going to put in a shift each game that should be a given. Certainly not saying Cooper out and really hope things pick up.[/p][/quote]Wilsey, From the young players brought in in the summer, how many have actually got better since being here. Kasim started well, but seemed to drop off once he got his contract, now, I'm not sure which Yaser is going to turn up, great potential but not consistent. same goes for Luango, definitely hasn't got better, which is a concern after 40 odd games he should be adapting to this standard and being an influence on bossing the midfield. Many may disagree, but I think both Hall and Branco have improved, I would also like to see Barcham given his chance as he's never let us down. Unable to judge Reis, or Alex Smith because of injury, Mason has one or two good games and injured again, we've only ever got a glimpse of his true potential. Byrnes and Nat Thompson have gone backwards, although Nat is showing signs of returning to his form of last season, he's been asked to play a different type of game getting forward and he's found it hard.. I honestly think that Cooper does not know Byrnes best position and he's got no chance of nailing one down as he's Mr Utility man. From the Academy has Storey and Louis Thompson really made the grade, for me they are still very raw and have a long way to go before cementing a place of their own in a starting 11 Probably Sherwood is pleased with the progress made by Pritchard, but 10 yellows shows poor discipline record. In fact the whole team have received too many cards, it must be getting close to 40 yellows by now. Summing up, I think the young players that have been given their chance to be established professional footballers this season have not progressed enough to be considered outstanding successes. Whether that is down to the level of coaching at STFC or whether 90% of them are just not going to make it at Championship level, I don't know, but some will need to up their game if as many think our "work in progress" bunch of youngsters are going to step up next season when the ones that are still here will have to show they have improved as players, because they won't be able to get away with "young ones" card for ever.[/p][/quote]I think that's an interesting and fair analysis OTR but the key question how do young players develop? I'm sure there is always going to be an element of 2 steps forward, 1 step back and the real issue is often inconsistency. The answer to that would be evident if we could see what was going on in between games in relation to the coaching. I've only heard good things about that, including from the players and it's clearly good enough to satisfy Tim Sherwood's standards.[/p][/quote]manc, the problem is not that we are helping young players to develop. The problem is that we have too many of them at the same time. Can anyone honestly say yesterday's result and performance were a surprise? The only surprise to me is that the run of good home results didn't end earlier. Football is a winter game and we have a squad of summer footballers. Cooper still has my full support because I think he has done a fantastic job to keep this weak squad so high in the table. However, I'm with Grim on yesterday's tinkering. With important League points at stake, we played with an experimental team. That's just not acceptable. If Cooper and Power think a third rate knockout competition is more important than our League status, then they've clearly got their priorities all wrong. They are starting to test the patience of even the most positive minded fans.[/p][/quote]Den, are you saying "you can't win anything with kids"? mancrobin
  • Score: 0

7:24pm Sun 2 Feb 14

swwindon61uk says...

jayden wrote:
Will Mark C &quot;rest" players for the PortVale game if Wed's game is called off ?
I hope we do not go this route again,it was so wrong do it Saturday.
Whilst we are still in reach of the playoffs we should go for it.
Having said that the 2nd leg could be on a Monday and a lot of professional footballers if today seem to struggle with two games in three days.
[quote][p][bold]jayden[/bold] wrote: Will Mark C "rest" players for the PortVale game if Wed's game is called off ?[/p][/quote]I hope we do not go this route again,it was so wrong do it Saturday. Whilst we are still in reach of the playoffs we should go for it. Having said that the 2nd leg could be on a Monday and a lot of professional footballers if today seem to struggle with two games in three days. swwindon61uk
  • Score: 0

7:29pm Sun 2 Feb 14

jayden says...

swwindon61uk wrote:
jayden wrote:
Will Mark C &quot;rest" players for the PortVale game if Wed's game is called off ?
I hope we do not go this route again,it was so wrong do it Saturday.
Whilst we are still in reach of the playoffs we should go for it.
Having said that the 2nd leg could be on a Monday and a lot of professional footballers if today seem to struggle with two games in three days.
Yes Agreed no player should be rested unless a injury I am glad I missed the game on Sat.
[quote][p][bold]swwindon61uk[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]jayden[/bold] wrote: Will Mark C "rest" players for the PortVale game if Wed's game is called off ?[/p][/quote]I hope we do not go this route again,it was so wrong do it Saturday. Whilst we are still in reach of the playoffs we should go for it. Having said that the 2nd leg could be on a Monday and a lot of professional footballers if today seem to struggle with two games in three days.[/p][/quote]Yes Agreed no player should be rested unless a injury I am glad I missed the game on Sat. jayden
  • Score: 0

7:33pm Sun 2 Feb 14

smirg kcab says...

jayden wrote:
swwindon61uk wrote:
jayden wrote:
Will Mark C &quot;rest" players for the PortVale game if Wed's game is called off ?
I hope we do not go this route again,it was so wrong do it Saturday.
Whilst we are still in reach of the playoffs we should go for it.
Having said that the 2nd leg could be on a Monday and a lot of professional footballers if today seem to struggle with two games in three days.
Yes Agreed no player should be rested unless a injury I am glad I missed the game on Sat.
I'm glad you missed it Jayden as I wouldn't wish that on anyone living human.
Have a great week fellow posters I'm off to church.
[quote][p][bold]jayden[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]swwindon61uk[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]jayden[/bold] wrote: Will Mark C "rest" players for the PortVale game if Wed's game is called off ?[/p][/quote]I hope we do not go this route again,it was so wrong do it Saturday. Whilst we are still in reach of the playoffs we should go for it. Having said that the 2nd leg could be on a Monday and a lot of professional footballers if today seem to struggle with two games in three days.[/p][/quote]Yes Agreed no player should be rested unless a injury I am glad I missed the game on Sat.[/p][/quote]I'm glad you missed it Jayden as I wouldn't wish that on anyone living human. Have a great week fellow posters I'm off to church. smirg kcab
  • Score: -2

8:29pm Sun 2 Feb 14

Swindon1984 says...

Can't add much to that, worst match I've seen at the county ground in a long time. Never looked like we wanted to play let alone win. Really was an insult to the fans - given the freezing cold and wet I genuinely wish I'd stayed in bed. Can take losing but not lack of effort or heart. We're bound to get found out sooner or later at home, have been fortunate with our recent wins. Great going back to work having had a **** weekend!

Anyway, lots more football to play. Redeem yourselves on Wednesday lads. If it goes ahead. COYR
Can't add much to that, worst match I've seen at the county ground in a long time. Never looked like we wanted to play let alone win. Really was an insult to the fans - given the freezing cold and wet I genuinely wish I'd stayed in bed. Can take losing but not lack of effort or heart. We're bound to get found out sooner or later at home, have been fortunate with our recent wins. Great going back to work having had a **** weekend! Anyway, lots more football to play. Redeem yourselves on Wednesday lads. If it goes ahead. COYR Swindon1984
  • Score: 1

8:36pm Sun 2 Feb 14

The Jockster says...

Ciclo - fortunately we are on the whole spared your demonic rants on here where you only seek to insult other posters but it's always good to know that my posts really get to you and guess what they'll keep on coming when I feel I have a point to express about the club. When was the last time you actually expressed the same? All you are concerned with is a personal tirade andike I said before you just don't have the balls to debate in an adult manner. Have a good evening and look out for my next post or not and then you won't get yourself into such a state as you are clearly suffering from Posting Traumatic Jock Disorder!
Ciclo - fortunately we are on the whole spared your demonic rants on here where you only seek to insult other posters but it's always good to know that my posts really get to you and guess what they'll keep on coming when I feel I have a point to express about the club. When was the last time you actually expressed the same? All you are concerned with is a personal tirade andike I said before you just don't have the balls to debate in an adult manner. Have a good evening and look out for my next post or not and then you won't get yourself into such a state as you are clearly suffering from Posting Traumatic Jock Disorder! The Jockster
  • Score: -2

8:41pm Sun 2 Feb 14

jayden says...

smirg kcab wrote:
jayden wrote:
swwindon61uk wrote:
jayden wrote:
Will Mark C &quot;rest" players for the PortVale game if Wed's game is called off ?
I hope we do not go this route again,it was so wrong do it Saturday.
Whilst we are still in reach of the playoffs we should go for it.
Having said that the 2nd leg could be on a Monday and a lot of professional footballers if today seem to struggle with two games in three days.
Yes Agreed no player should be rested unless a injury I am glad I missed the game on Sat.
I'm glad you missed it Jayden as I wouldn't wish that on anyone living human.
Have a great week fellow posters I'm off to church.
Nice one, I could not go as my Grandson would not go and I had to look after him to be fair to him he had been punished the week before watching ST against the Shrews he said "call this a Birthday treat".
[quote][p][bold]smirg kcab[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]jayden[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]swwindon61uk[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]jayden[/bold] wrote: Will Mark C "rest" players for the PortVale game if Wed's game is called off ?[/p][/quote]I hope we do not go this route again,it was so wrong do it Saturday. Whilst we are still in reach of the playoffs we should go for it. Having said that the 2nd leg could be on a Monday and a lot of professional footballers if today seem to struggle with two games in three days.[/p][/quote]Yes Agreed no player should be rested unless a injury I am glad I missed the game on Sat.[/p][/quote]I'm glad you missed it Jayden as I wouldn't wish that on anyone living human. Have a great week fellow posters I'm off to church.[/p][/quote]Nice one, I could not go as my Grandson would not go and I had to look after him to be fair to him he had been punished the week before watching ST against the Shrews he said "call this a Birthday treat". jayden
  • Score: 0

8:58pm Sun 2 Feb 14

The Jockster says...

jayden wrote:
smirg kcab wrote:
jayden wrote:
swwindon61uk wrote:
jayden wrote:
Will Mark C &quot;rest" players for the PortVale game if Wed's game is called off ?
I hope we do not go this route again,it was so wrong do it Saturday.
Whilst we are still in reach of the playoffs we should go for it.
Having said that the 2nd leg could be on a Monday and a lot of professional footballers if today seem to struggle with two games in three days.
Yes Agreed no player should be rested unless a injury I am glad I missed the game on Sat.
I'm glad you missed it Jayden as I wouldn't wish that on anyone living human.
Have a great week fellow posters I'm off to church.
Nice one, I could not go as my Grandson would not go and I had to look after him to be fair to him he had been punished the week before watching ST against the Shrews he said "call this a Birthday treat".
Jayden your grandson is very astute for his age- can yo give him a list of the remaining fixtures so we know which ones to miss!
[quote][p][bold]jayden[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]smirg kcab[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]jayden[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]swwindon61uk[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]jayden[/bold] wrote: Will Mark C "rest" players for the PortVale game if Wed's game is called off ?[/p][/quote]I hope we do not go this route again,it was so wrong do it Saturday. Whilst we are still in reach of the playoffs we should go for it. Having said that the 2nd leg could be on a Monday and a lot of professional footballers if today seem to struggle with two games in three days.[/p][/quote]Yes Agreed no player should be rested unless a injury I am glad I missed the game on Sat.[/p][/quote]I'm glad you missed it Jayden as I wouldn't wish that on anyone living human. Have a great week fellow posters I'm off to church.[/p][/quote]Nice one, I could not go as my Grandson would not go and I had to look after him to be fair to him he had been punished the week before watching ST against the Shrews he said "call this a Birthday treat".[/p][/quote]Jayden your grandson is very astute for his age- can yo give him a list of the remaining fixtures so we know which ones to miss! The Jockster
  • Score: -1

9:06pm Sun 2 Feb 14

jayden says...

The Jockster wrote:
jayden wrote:
smirg kcab wrote:
jayden wrote:
swwindon61uk wrote:
jayden wrote:
Will Mark C &quot;rest" players for the PortVale game if Wed's game is called off ?
I hope we do not go this route again,it was so wrong do it Saturday.
Whilst we are still in reach of the playoffs we should go for it.
Having said that the 2nd leg could be on a Monday and a lot of professional footballers if today seem to struggle with two games in three days.
Yes Agreed no player should be rested unless a injury I am glad I missed the game on Sat.
I'm glad you missed it Jayden as I wouldn't wish that on anyone living human.
Have a great week fellow posters I'm off to church.
Nice one, I could not go as my Grandson would not go and I had to look after him to be fair to him he had been punished the week before watching ST against the Shrews he said "call this a Birthday treat".
Jayden your grandson is very astute for his age- can yo give him a list of the remaining fixtures so we know which ones to miss!
LOL . He's seven and started playing 4 months ago and just got in to the Arsenal soccer school. He's as big as Prichard and solid with it .He's been to 5 games and ST have won each time. AND WHO WOULD HIS FAV TOWN PLAYER BE ?
[quote][p][bold]The Jockster[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]jayden[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]smirg kcab[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]jayden[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]swwindon61uk[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]jayden[/bold] wrote: Will Mark C "rest" players for the PortVale game if Wed's game is called off ?[/p][/quote]I hope we do not go this route again,it was so wrong do it Saturday. Whilst we are still in reach of the playoffs we should go for it. Having said that the 2nd leg could be on a Monday and a lot of professional footballers if today seem to struggle with two games in three days.[/p][/quote]Yes Agreed no player should be rested unless a injury I am glad I missed the game on Sat.[/p][/quote]I'm glad you missed it Jayden as I wouldn't wish that on anyone living human. Have a great week fellow posters I'm off to church.[/p][/quote]Nice one, I could not go as my Grandson would not go and I had to look after him to be fair to him he had been punished the week before watching ST against the Shrews he said "call this a Birthday treat".[/p][/quote]Jayden your grandson is very astute for his age- can yo give him a list of the remaining fixtures so we know which ones to miss![/p][/quote]LOL . He's seven and started playing 4 months ago and just got in to the Arsenal soccer school. He's as big as Prichard and solid with it .He's been to 5 games and ST have won each time. AND WHO WOULD HIS FAV TOWN PLAYER BE ? jayden
  • Score: 0

9:09pm Sun 2 Feb 14

FLOGGITLAD says...

remember this is the club that lost to the club bottom of the league, away record crap and now they are loosing it at home and then some say they will be the boro,, one chance - nil
season over....
remember this is the club that lost to the club bottom of the league, away record crap and now they are loosing it at home and then some say they will be the boro,, one chance - nil season over.... FLOGGITLAD
  • Score: -2

9:27pm Sun 2 Feb 14

Davidsyrett says...

The Jockster wrote:
Press quote - Latics boss Lee Johnson said &quot; we played the conditions better than they did. It was a boggy pitch. Played in howling winds. While I'm an advocate of Barcelona football at times you just can't do that. " Exactimondo Coops do you get the message?
I had reservations our lightweights would struge in heavier pitches and that is certainly proving to be the case. Time for a rethink Mr C.
thought the pitch was pretty good considering the weather.
[quote][p][bold]The Jockster[/bold] wrote: Press quote - Latics boss Lee Johnson said " we played the conditions better than they did. It was a boggy pitch. Played in howling winds. While I'm an advocate of Barcelona football at times you just can't do that. " Exactimondo Coops do you get the message? I had reservations our lightweights would struge in heavier pitches and that is certainly proving to be the case. Time for a rethink Mr C.[/p][/quote]thought the pitch was pretty good considering the weather. Davidsyrett
  • Score: 0

9:35pm Sun 2 Feb 14

The Jockster says...

Davidsyrett wrote:
The Jockster wrote:
Press quote - Latics boss Lee Johnson said &quot; we played the conditions better than they did. It was a boggy pitch. Played in howling winds. While I'm an advocate of Barcelona football at times you just can't do that. " Exactimondo Coops do you get the message?
I had reservations our lightweights would struge in heavier pitches and that is certainly proving to be the case. Time for a rethink Mr C.
thought the pitch was pretty good considering the weather.
So did I DS but Johnson evidently thought otherwise it would seem.
[quote][p][bold]Davidsyrett[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The Jockster[/bold] wrote: Press quote - Latics boss Lee Johnson said " we played the conditions better than they did. It was a boggy pitch. Played in howling winds. While I'm an advocate of Barcelona football at times you just can't do that. " Exactimondo Coops do you get the message? I had reservations our lightweights would struge in heavier pitches and that is certainly proving to be the case. Time for a rethink Mr C.[/p][/quote]thought the pitch was pretty good considering the weather.[/p][/quote]So did I DS but Johnson evidently thought otherwise it would seem. The Jockster
  • Score: -1

9:38pm Sun 2 Feb 14

red white says...

I believe in us,Swindon Town we will rock up so keep on, keeping on.

Time will tell lol.

Yooooouuuuu Reds!
I believe in us,Swindon Town we will rock up so keep on, keeping on. Time will tell lol. Yooooouuuuu Reds! red white
  • Score: 0

9:41pm Sun 2 Feb 14

The Jockster says...

jayden wrote:
The Jockster wrote:
jayden wrote:
smirg kcab wrote:
jayden wrote:
swwindon61uk wrote:
jayden wrote:
Will Mark C &quot;rest" players for the PortVale game if Wed's game is called off ?
I hope we do not go this route again,it was so wrong do it Saturday.
Whilst we are still in reach of the playoffs we should go for it.
Having said that the 2nd leg could be on a Monday and a lot of professional footballers if today seem to struggle with two games in three days.
Yes Agreed no player should be rested unless a injury I am glad I missed the game on Sat.
I'm glad you missed it Jayden as I wouldn't wish that on anyone living human.
Have a great week fellow posters I'm off to church.
Nice one, I could not go as my Grandson would not go and I had to look after him to be fair to him he had been punished the week before watching ST against the Shrews he said "call this a Birthday treat".
Jayden your grandson is very astute for his age- can yo give him a list of the remaining fixtures so we know which ones to miss!
LOL . He's seven and started playing 4 months ago and just got in to the Arsenal soccer school. He's as big as Prichard and solid with it .He's been to 5 games and ST have won each time. AND WHO WOULD HIS FAV TOWN PLAYER BE ?
Wardy or Ranger?
[quote][p][bold]jayden[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The Jockster[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]jayden[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]smirg kcab[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]jayden[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]swwindon61uk[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]jayden[/bold] wrote: Will Mark C "rest" players for the PortVale game if Wed's game is called off ?[/p][/quote]I hope we do not go this route again,it was so wrong do it Saturday. Whilst we are still in reach of the playoffs we should go for it. Having said that the 2nd leg could be on a Monday and a lot of professional footballers if today seem to struggle with two games in three days.[/p][/quote]Yes Agreed no player should be rested unless a injury I am glad I missed the game on Sat.[/p][/quote]I'm glad you missed it Jayden as I wouldn't wish that on anyone living human. Have a great week fellow posters I'm off to church.[/p][/quote]Nice one, I could not go as my Grandson would not go and I had to look after him to be fair to him he had been punished the week before watching ST against the Shrews he said "call this a Birthday treat".[/p][/quote]Jayden your grandson is very astute for his age- can yo give him a list of the remaining fixtures so we know which ones to miss![/p][/quote]LOL . He's seven and started playing 4 months ago and just got in to the Arsenal soccer school. He's as big as Prichard and solid with it .He's been to 5 games and ST have won each time. AND WHO WOULD HIS FAV TOWN PLAYER BE ?[/p][/quote]Wardy or Ranger? The Jockster
  • Score: -1

9:49pm Sun 2 Feb 14

jayden says...

The Jockster wrote:
jayden wrote:
The Jockster wrote:
jayden wrote:
smirg kcab wrote:
jayden wrote:
swwindon61uk wrote:
jayden wrote:
Will Mark C &quot;rest" players for the PortVale game if Wed's game is called off ?
I hope we do not go this route again,it was so wrong do it Saturday.
Whilst we are still in reach of the playoffs we should go for it.
Having said that the 2nd leg could be on a Monday and a lot of professional footballers if today seem to struggle with two games in three days.
Yes Agreed no player should be rested unless a injury I am glad I missed the game on Sat.
I'm glad you missed it Jayden as I wouldn't wish that on anyone living human.
Have a great week fellow posters I'm off to church.
Nice one, I could not go as my Grandson would not go and I had to look after him to be fair to him he had been punished the week before watching ST against the Shrews he said "call this a Birthday treat".
Jayden your grandson is very astute for his age- can yo give him a list of the remaining fixtures so we know which ones to miss!
LOL . He's seven and started playing 4 months ago and just got in to the Arsenal soccer school. He's as big as Prichard and solid with it .He's been to 5 games and ST have won each time. AND WHO WOULD HIS FAV TOWN PLAYER BE ?
Wardy or Ranger?
Ranger ,then Wes then Rocking Robin ,well he will only have one to choose from next season.
[quote][p][bold]The Jockster[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]jayden[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The Jockster[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]jayden[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]smirg kcab[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]jayden[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]swwindon61uk[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]jayden[/bold] wrote: Will Mark C "rest" players for the PortVale game if Wed's game is called off ?[/p][/quote]I hope we do not go this route again,it was so wrong do it Saturday. Whilst we are still in reach of the playoffs we should go for it. Having said that the 2nd leg could be on a Monday and a lot of professional footballers if today seem to struggle with two games in three days.[/p][/quote]Yes Agreed no player should be rested unless a injury I am glad I missed the game on Sat.[/p][/quote]I'm glad you missed it Jayden as I wouldn't wish that on anyone living human. Have a great week fellow posters I'm off to church.[/p][/quote]Nice one, I could not go as my Grandson would not go and I had to look after him to be fair to him he had been punished the week before watching ST against the Shrews he said "call this a Birthday treat".[/p][/quote]Jayden your grandson is very astute for his age- can yo give him a list of the remaining fixtures so we know which ones to miss![/p][/quote]LOL . He's seven and started playing 4 months ago and just got in to the Arsenal soccer school. He's as big as Prichard and solid with it .He's been to 5 games and ST have won each time. AND WHO WOULD HIS FAV TOWN PLAYER BE ?[/p][/quote]Wardy or Ranger?[/p][/quote]Ranger ,then Wes then Rocking Robin ,well he will only have one to choose from next season. jayden
  • Score: 0

10:06pm Sun 2 Feb 14

Oi Den! says...

ciclosporindorset wrote:
Oi Den! wrote:
ciclosporindorset wrote:
Some days I read this site and all I see is the same old, same old. These individals want to have their say but attack the position of others because they belive they ae in some way &quot;better stfc supporters". Some are so self obsessed with their point of view that they cry tears when their ratings go down to minus scores. These are the ones that pretend they are joking or are better informed. If like many on here you have been supporting and watching the club for more than 50 years you may get **** off with their policising of this site. I am not just talking about fredi, but the likes of Jockster too. These individuals and their cronies are not better supporters than you and I. They are simply unpleasant individuals that should be resisted.
Of dear ciclo. Yet more criticism of your fellow supporters, with no counter-argument in sight.
My comment has 4 points den, yours minus one despite my plus to you. That's 5 to he my friend. It's all very petty but is a small reason why so many don't bother with this site these days
Haha! Ciclo, you give people stick for taking the plus/minus thing seriously and then you use it to back up your case.

By the way, some people ARE better supporters than others. I have chosen not to go to any away games this season. Many people have chosen to go to some or all of them. That makes them better supporters than me. It's not a matter of opinion. It's a question of fact. They have committed their money and their presence at places like Macclesfield, Crawley and Stevenage, while I have chosen to stay at home. In my book that makes them unquestionably better supporters than me. I am not having a go at anyone - especially those who have more important things to do with their time and money or who find it difficult to get to games - but it stands to reason that the best supporters are those who attend all the games they can.
[quote][p][bold]ciclosporindorset[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Oi Den![/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ciclosporindorset[/bold] wrote: Some days I read this site and all I see is the same old, same old. These individals want to have their say but attack the position of others because they belive they ae in some way "better stfc supporters". Some are so self obsessed with their point of view that they cry tears when their ratings go down to minus scores. These are the ones that pretend they are joking or are better informed. If like many on here you have been supporting and watching the club for more than 50 years you may get **** off with their policising of this site. I am not just talking about fredi, but the likes of Jockster too. These individuals and their cronies are not better supporters than you and I. They are simply unpleasant individuals that should be resisted.[/p][/quote]Of dear ciclo. Yet more criticism of your fellow supporters, with no counter-argument in sight.[/p][/quote]My comment has 4 points den, yours minus one despite my plus to you. That's 5 to he my friend. It's all very petty but is a small reason why so many don't bother with this site these days[/p][/quote]Haha! Ciclo, you give people stick for taking the plus/minus thing seriously and then you use it to back up your case. By the way, some people ARE better supporters than others. I have chosen not to go to any away games this season. Many people have chosen to go to some or all of them. That makes them better supporters than me. It's not a matter of opinion. It's a question of fact. They have committed their money and their presence at places like Macclesfield, Crawley and Stevenage, while I have chosen to stay at home. In my book that makes them unquestionably better supporters than me. I am not having a go at anyone - especially those who have more important things to do with their time and money or who find it difficult to get to games - but it stands to reason that the best supporters are those who attend all the games they can. Oi Den!
  • Score: -1

10:20pm Sun 2 Feb 14

Oi Den! says...

mancrobin wrote:
Oi Den! wrote:
mancrobin wrote:
old town robin wrote:
Wilesy wrote:
swwindon61uk wrote:
Lets be honest here most of this message board were saying we were relegation certainties at the start of the season, so to be 9th going into February has to be some sort of achievement right?
The same people were saying City were certain for promotion now they have Flint and Portsmouth were certainties fro promotion now they have Ferry.....
Myself at the start of the season i did not commit one way or another until after the Spurs friendly and i thought we would finish half way.
Next season when some of the players who do not feature contracts run out is when i think we will have a better season next year, with a settled pre-season and more importantly hopefully a settled team.
Weather Cooper is here remains to be seen,but i can see it has he will be the cheap option.
Not against Cooper but some of his decisions of late have been questionable IMHO.
It's a good question will Cooper be here next season?

50-50 I reckon, yes we are 9th and every interview he says we are a young side and stick with us, but in the last 2 months have we shown signs of progress? Have obvious faults with the tactics been rectified it have we stubbornly carried on regardless? Have we recruited well during Jan or have we got in 1 good player out of the 3?

In my view I think he will need to make a few changes and get a loan or two in. I am not particularly enjoying the entertainment offered at present, and judging by the empty seats at the CG neither are others. At the very least you shouldn't have to worry if the side are going to put in a shift each game that should be a given.

Certainly not saying Cooper out and really hope things pick up.
Wilsey, From the young players brought in in the summer, how many have actually got better since being here. Kasim started well, but seemed to drop off once he got his contract, now, I'm not sure which Yaser is going to turn up, great potential but not consistent. same goes for Luango, definitely hasn't got better, which is a concern after 40 odd games he should be adapting to this standard and being an influence on bossing the midfield.

Many may disagree, but I think both Hall and Branco have improved, I would also like to see Barcham given his chance as he's never let us down. Unable to judge Reis, or Alex Smith because of injury, Mason has one or two good games and injured again, we've only ever got a glimpse of his true potential. Byrnes and Nat Thompson have gone backwards, although Nat is showing signs of returning to his form of last season, he's been asked to play a different type of game getting forward and he's found it hard.. I honestly think that Cooper does not know Byrnes best position and he's got no chance of nailing one down as he's Mr Utility man. From the Academy has Storey and Louis Thompson really made the grade, for me they are still very raw and have a long way to go before cementing a place of their own in a starting 11

Probably Sherwood is pleased with the progress made by Pritchard, but 10 yellows shows poor discipline record. In fact the whole team have received too many cards, it must be getting close to 40 yellows by now.

Summing up, I think the young players that have been given their chance to be established professional footballers this season have not progressed enough to be considered outstanding successes. Whether that is down to the level of coaching at STFC or whether 90% of them are just not going to make it at Championship level, I don't know, but some will need to up their game if as many think our &quot;work in progress" bunch of youngsters are going to step up next season when the ones that are still here will have to show they have improved as players, because they won't be able to get away with "young ones" card for ever.
I think that's an interesting and fair analysis OTR but the key question how do young players develop? I'm sure there is always going to be an element of 2 steps forward, 1 step back and the real issue is often inconsistency.

The answer to that would be evident if we could see what was going on in between games in relation to the coaching. I've only heard good things about that, including from the players and it's clearly good enough to satisfy Tim Sherwood's standards.
manc, the problem is not that we are helping young players to develop. The problem is that we have too many of them at the same time. Can anyone honestly say yesterday's result and performance were a surprise? The only surprise to me is that the run of good home results didn't end earlier. Football is a winter game and we have a squad of summer footballers.

Cooper still has my full support because I think he has done a fantastic job to keep this weak squad so high in the table. However, I'm with Grim on yesterday's tinkering. With important League points at stake, we played with an experimental team. That's just not acceptable. If Cooper and Power think a third rate knockout competition is more important than our League status, then they've clearly got their priorities all wrong. They are starting to test the patience of even the most positive minded fans.
Den, are you saying "you can't win anything with kids"?
Nice one manc! I'm saying you can't win anything with too many kids of the same ilk.

Alan McLoughlin was a good kid. Colin Calderwood was a good kid. I think they were both about 21 when they joined us. McLoughlin had energy and vision. Calderwood's qualities were strength, skill and leadership. They were kids. But nobody ever said they were "learning the game". Excuses weren't necessary.
[quote][p][bold]mancrobin[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Oi Den![/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mancrobin[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]old town robin[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Wilesy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]swwindon61uk[/bold] wrote: Lets be honest here most of this message board were saying we were relegation certainties at the start of the season, so to be 9th going into February has to be some sort of achievement right? The same people were saying City were certain for promotion now they have Flint and Portsmouth were certainties fro promotion now they have Ferry..... Myself at the start of the season i did not commit one way or another until after the Spurs friendly and i thought we would finish half way. Next season when some of the players who do not feature contracts run out is when i think we will have a better season next year, with a settled pre-season and more importantly hopefully a settled team. Weather Cooper is here remains to be seen,but i can see it has he will be the cheap option. Not against Cooper but some of his decisions of late have been questionable IMHO.[/p][/quote]It's a good question will Cooper be here next season? 50-50 I reckon, yes we are 9th and every interview he says we are a young side and stick with us, but in the last 2 months have we shown signs of progress? Have obvious faults with the tactics been rectified it have we stubbornly carried on regardless? Have we recruited well during Jan or have we got in 1 good player out of the 3? In my view I think he will need to make a few changes and get a loan or two in. I am not particularly enjoying the entertainment offered at present, and judging by the empty seats at the CG neither are others. At the very least you shouldn't have to worry if the side are going to put in a shift each game that should be a given. Certainly not saying Cooper out and really hope things pick up.[/p][/quote]Wilsey, From the young players brought in in the summer, how many have actually got better since being here. Kasim started well, but seemed to drop off once he got his contract, now, I'm not sure which Yaser is going to turn up, great potential but not consistent. same goes for Luango, definitely hasn't got better, which is a concern after 40 odd games he should be adapting to this standard and being an influence on bossing the midfield. Many may disagree, but I think both Hall and Branco have improved, I would also like to see Barcham given his chance as he's never let us down. Unable to judge Reis, or Alex Smith because of injury, Mason has one or two good games and injured again, we've only ever got a glimpse of his true potential. Byrnes and Nat Thompson have gone backwards, although Nat is showing signs of returning to his form of last season, he's been asked to play a different type of game getting forward and he's found it hard.. I honestly think that Cooper does not know Byrnes best position and he's got no chance of nailing one down as he's Mr Utility man. From the Academy has Storey and Louis Thompson really made the grade, for me they are still very raw and have a long way to go before cementing a place of their own in a starting 11 Probably Sherwood is pleased with the progress made by Pritchard, but 10 yellows shows poor discipline record. In fact the whole team have received too many cards, it must be getting close to 40 yellows by now. Summing up, I think the young players that have been given their chance to be established professional footballers this season have not progressed enough to be considered outstanding successes. Whether that is down to the level of coaching at STFC or whether 90% of them are just not going to make it at Championship level, I don't know, but some will need to up their game if as many think our "work in progress" bunch of youngsters are going to step up next season when the ones that are still here will have to show they have improved as players, because they won't be able to get away with "young ones" card for ever.[/p][/quote]I think that's an interesting and fair analysis OTR but the key question how do young players develop? I'm sure there is always going to be an element of 2 steps forward, 1 step back and the real issue is often inconsistency. The answer to that would be evident if we could see what was going on in between games in relation to the coaching. I've only heard good things about that, including from the players and it's clearly good enough to satisfy Tim Sherwood's standards.[/p][/quote]manc, the problem is not that we are helping young players to develop. The problem is that we have too many of them at the same time. Can anyone honestly say yesterday's result and performance were a surprise? The only surprise to me is that the run of good home results didn't end earlier. Football is a winter game and we have a squad of summer footballers. Cooper still has my full support because I think he has done a fantastic job to keep this weak squad so high in the table. However, I'm with Grim on yesterday's tinkering. With important League points at stake, we played with an experimental team. That's just not acceptable. If Cooper and Power think a third rate knockout competition is more important than our League status, then they've clearly got their priorities all wrong. They are starting to test the patience of even the most positive minded fans.[/p][/quote]Den, are you saying "you can't win anything with kids"?[/p][/quote]Nice one manc! I'm saying you can't win anything with too many kids of the same ilk. Alan McLoughlin was a good kid. Colin Calderwood was a good kid. I think they were both about 21 when they joined us. McLoughlin had energy and vision. Calderwood's qualities were strength, skill and leadership. They were kids. But nobody ever said they were "learning the game". Excuses weren't necessary. Oi Den!
  • Score: -1

10:27pm Sun 2 Feb 14

red white says...

Oi Den! wrote:
mancrobin wrote:
Oi Den! wrote:
mancrobin wrote:
old town robin wrote:
Wilesy wrote:
swwindon61uk wrote:
Lets be honest here most of this message board were saying we were relegation certainties at the start of the season, so to be 9th going into February has to be some sort of achievement right?
The same people were saying City were certain for promotion now they have Flint and Portsmouth were certainties fro promotion now they have Ferry.....
Myself at the start of the season i did not commit one way or another until after the Spurs friendly and i thought we would finish half way.
Next season when some of the players who do not feature contracts run out is when i think we will have a better season next year, with a settled pre-season and more importantly hopefully a settled team.
Weather Cooper is here remains to be seen,but i can see it has he will be the cheap option.
Not against Cooper but some of his decisions of late have been questionable IMHO.
It's a good question will Cooper be here next season?

50-50 I reckon, yes we are 9th and every interview he says we are a young side and stick with us, but in the last 2 months have we shown signs of progress? Have obvious faults with the tactics been rectified it have we stubbornly carried on regardless? Have we recruited well during Jan or have we got in 1 good player out of the 3?

In my view I think he will need to make a few changes and get a loan or two in. I am not particularly enjoying the entertainment offered at present, and judging by the empty seats at the CG neither are others. At the very least you shouldn't have to worry if the side are going to put in a shift each game that should be a given.

Certainly not saying Cooper out and really hope things pick up.
Wilsey, From the young players brought in in the summer, how many have actually got better since being here. Kasim started well, but seemed to drop off once he got his contract, now, I'm not sure which Yaser is going to turn up, great potential but not consistent. same goes for Luango, definitely hasn't got better, which is a concern after 40 odd games he should be adapting to this standard and being an influence on bossing the midfield.

Many may disagree, but I think both Hall and Branco have improved, I would also like to see Barcham given his chance as he's never let us down. Unable to judge Reis, or Alex Smith because of injury, Mason has one or two good games and injured again, we've only ever got a glimpse of his true potential. Byrnes and Nat Thompson have gone backwards, although Nat is showing signs of returning to his form of last season, he's been asked to play a different type of game getting forward and he's found it hard.. I honestly think that Cooper does not know Byrnes best position and he's got no chance of nailing one down as he's Mr Utility man. From the Academy has Storey and Louis Thompson really made the grade, for me they are still very raw and have a long way to go before cementing a place of their own in a starting 11

Probably Sherwood is pleased with the progress made by Pritchard, but 10 yellows shows poor discipline record. In fact the whole team have received too many cards, it must be getting close to 40 yellows by now.

Summing up, I think the young players that have been given their chance to be established professional footballers this season have not progressed enough to be considered outstanding successes. Whether that is down to the level of coaching at STFC or whether 90% of them are just not going to make it at Championship level, I don't know, but some will need to up their game if as many think our &quot;work in progress" bunch of youngsters are going to step up next season when the ones that are still here will have to show they have improved as players, because they won't be able to get away with "young ones" card for ever.
I think that's an interesting and fair analysis OTR but the key question how do young players develop? I'm sure there is always going to be an element of 2 steps forward, 1 step back and the real issue is often inconsistency.

The answer to that would be evident if we could see what was going on in between games in relation to the coaching. I've only heard good things about that, including from the players and it's clearly good enough to satisfy Tim Sherwood's standards.
manc, the problem is not that we are helping young players to develop. The problem is that we have too many of them at the same time. Can anyone honestly say yesterday's result and performance were a surprise? The only surprise to me is that the run of good home results didn't end earlier. Football is a winter game and we have a squad of summer footballers.

Cooper still has my full support because I think he has done a fantastic job to keep this weak squad so high in the table. However, I'm with Grim on yesterday's tinkering. With important League points at stake, we played with an experimental team. That's just not acceptable. If Cooper and Power think a third rate knockout competition is more important than our League status, then they've clearly got their priorities all wrong. They are starting to test the patience of even the most positive minded fans.
Den, are you saying "you can't win anything with kids"?
Nice one manc! I'm saying you can't win anything with too many kids of the same ilk.

Alan McLoughlin was a good kid. Colin Calderwood was a good kid. I think they were both about 21 when they joined us. McLoughlin had energy and vision. Calderwood's qualities were strength, skill and leadership. They were kids. But nobody ever said they were "learning the game". Excuses weren't necessary.
Loved them guys.

What I am thinking is Coops and da Power don't get on.

If that is what is happpening which I beleive in my honest opinion,may be happenning it is a recipe that will go wrong.
[quote][p][bold]Oi Den![/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mancrobin[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Oi Den![/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mancrobin[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]old town robin[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Wilesy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]swwindon61uk[/bold] wrote: Lets be honest here most of this message board were saying we were relegation certainties at the start of the season, so to be 9th going into February has to be some sort of achievement right? The same people were saying City were certain for promotion now they have Flint and Portsmouth were certainties fro promotion now they have Ferry..... Myself at the start of the season i did not commit one way or another until after the Spurs friendly and i thought we would finish half way. Next season when some of the players who do not feature contracts run out is when i think we will have a better season next year, with a settled pre-season and more importantly hopefully a settled team. Weather Cooper is here remains to be seen,but i can see it has he will be the cheap option. Not against Cooper but some of his decisions of late have been questionable IMHO.[/p][/quote]It's a good question will Cooper be here next season? 50-50 I reckon, yes we are 9th and every interview he says we are a young side and stick with us, but in the last 2 months have we shown signs of progress? Have obvious faults with the tactics been rectified it have we stubbornly carried on regardless? Have we recruited well during Jan or have we got in 1 good player out of the 3? In my view I think he will need to make a few changes and get a loan or two in. I am not particularly enjoying the entertainment offered at present, and judging by the empty seats at the CG neither are others. At the very least you shouldn't have to worry if the side are going to put in a shift each game that should be a given. Certainly not saying Cooper out and really hope things pick up.[/p][/quote]Wilsey, From the young players brought in in the summer, how many have actually got better since being here. Kasim started well, but seemed to drop off once he got his contract, now, I'm not sure which Yaser is going to turn up, great potential but not consistent. same goes for Luango, definitely hasn't got better, which is a concern after 40 odd games he should be adapting to this standard and being an influence on bossing the midfield. Many may disagree, but I think both Hall and Branco have improved, I would also like to see Barcham given his chance as he's never let us down. Unable to judge Reis, or Alex Smith because of injury, Mason has one or two good games and injured again, we've only ever got a glimpse of his true potential. Byrnes and Nat Thompson have gone backwards, although Nat is showing signs of returning to his form of last season, he's been asked to play a different type of game getting forward and he's found it hard.. I honestly think that Cooper does not know Byrnes best position and he's got no chance of nailing one down as he's Mr Utility man. From the Academy has Storey and Louis Thompson really made the grade, for me they are still very raw and have a long way to go before cementing a place of their own in a starting 11 Probably Sherwood is pleased with the progress made by Pritchard, but 10 yellows shows poor discipline record. In fact the whole team have received too many cards, it must be getting close to 40 yellows by now. Summing up, I think the young players that have been given their chance to be established professional footballers this season have not progressed enough to be considered outstanding successes. Whether that is down to the level of coaching at STFC or whether 90% of them are just not going to make it at Championship level, I don't know, but some will need to up their game if as many think our "work in progress" bunch of youngsters are going to step up next season when the ones that are still here will have to show they have improved as players, because they won't be able to get away with "young ones" card for ever.[/p][/quote]I think that's an interesting and fair analysis OTR but the key question how do young players develop? I'm sure there is always going to be an element of 2 steps forward, 1 step back and the real issue is often inconsistency. The answer to that would be evident if we could see what was going on in between games in relation to the coaching. I've only heard good things about that, including from the players and it's clearly good enough to satisfy Tim Sherwood's standards.[/p][/quote]manc, the problem is not that we are helping young players to develop. The problem is that we have too many of them at the same time. Can anyone honestly say yesterday's result and performance were a surprise? The only surprise to me is that the run of good home results didn't end earlier. Football is a winter game and we have a squad of summer footballers. Cooper still has my full support because I think he has done a fantastic job to keep this weak squad so high in the table. However, I'm with Grim on yesterday's tinkering. With important League points at stake, we played with an experimental team. That's just not acceptable. If Cooper and Power think a third rate knockout competition is more important than our League status, then they've clearly got their priorities all wrong. They are starting to test the patience of even the most positive minded fans.[/p][/quote]Den, are you saying "you can't win anything with kids"?[/p][/quote]Nice one manc! I'm saying you can't win anything with too many kids of the same ilk. Alan McLoughlin was a good kid. Colin Calderwood was a good kid. I think they were both about 21 when they joined us. McLoughlin had energy and vision. Calderwood's qualities were strength, skill and leadership. They were kids. But nobody ever said they were "learning the game". Excuses weren't necessary.[/p][/quote]Loved them guys. What I am thinking is Coops and da Power don't get on. If that is what is happpening which I beleive in my honest opinion,may be happenning it is a recipe that will go wrong. red white
  • Score: 0

11:03pm Sun 2 Feb 14

mancrobin says...

Den, I take your points, well made as ever and I agree that youth alongside experience is always the better approach.

Trouble is, is also about cash and Power has been up front about cutting the wage bill. That means the few experienced players we can afford really have to cut the mustard. Unfortunately, the few we do have (Ward, Navarro, McEverley, N'Guessan, TAH, Fods) have either not been around or not done enough to fit that bill. Some of that is just bad luck and I have sympathy with Power's view that we just can't buy ourselves out of that situation.

Having said that, after a long conversation with my brother who went yesterday, combined with my experience last Tuesday, anyone who made the effort and forked out for both must be wondering if they are really getting value for money. Therefore, I have sympathy with many of the views expressed on this thread.
Den, I take your points, well made as ever and I agree that youth alongside experience is always the better approach. Trouble is, is also about cash and Power has been up front about cutting the wage bill. That means the few experienced players we can afford really have to cut the mustard. Unfortunately, the few we do have (Ward, Navarro, McEverley, N'Guessan, TAH, Fods) have either not been around or not done enough to fit that bill. Some of that is just bad luck and I have sympathy with Power's view that we just can't buy ourselves out of that situation. Having said that, after a long conversation with my brother who went yesterday, combined with my experience last Tuesday, anyone who made the effort and forked out for both must be wondering if they are really getting value for money. Therefore, I have sympathy with many of the views expressed on this thread. mancrobin
  • Score: 1

12:21pm Mon 3 Feb 14

Swindon1984 says...

mancrobin wrote:
Den, I take your points, well made as ever and I agree that youth alongside experience is always the better approach. Trouble is, is also about cash and Power has been up front about cutting the wage bill. That means the few experienced players we can afford really have to cut the mustard. Unfortunately, the few we do have (Ward, Navarro, McEverley, N'Guessan, TAH, Fods) have either not been around or not done enough to fit that bill. Some of that is just bad luck and I have sympathy with Power's view that we just can't buy ourselves out of that situation. Having said that, after a long conversation with my brother who went yesterday, combined with my experience last Tuesday, anyone who made the effort and forked out for both must be wondering if they are really getting value for money. Therefore, I have sympathy with many of the views expressed on this thread.
Problem as I saw it on Saturday wasn't the quality of the players, but total lack of interest, which is unforgiveable especially in young players trying to make a name and a career for themselves. I did have a thought after the match that maybe with transfer deadline day passing and with no-one joining, the players may have resigned themselves to finishing mid table and lost all motivation to try for the play offs. Wouldn't make much sense and hope this is a blip and nothing more. Aside from the player's attitude, team selection and tactics seemed poor, and the referee (although not excusing the town performance, as we still deserved nothing from the game) was shocking. Onwards and upwards I guess.
[quote][p][bold]mancrobin[/bold] wrote: Den, I take your points, well made as ever and I agree that youth alongside experience is always the better approach. Trouble is, is also about cash and Power has been up front about cutting the wage bill. That means the few experienced players we can afford really have to cut the mustard. Unfortunately, the few we do have (Ward, Navarro, McEverley, N'Guessan, TAH, Fods) have either not been around or not done enough to fit that bill. Some of that is just bad luck and I have sympathy with Power's view that we just can't buy ourselves out of that situation. Having said that, after a long conversation with my brother who went yesterday, combined with my experience last Tuesday, anyone who made the effort and forked out for both must be wondering if they are really getting value for money. Therefore, I have sympathy with many of the views expressed on this thread.[/p][/quote]Problem as I saw it on Saturday wasn't the quality of the players, but total lack of interest, which is unforgiveable especially in young players trying to make a name and a career for themselves. I did have a thought after the match that maybe with transfer deadline day passing and with no-one joining, the players may have resigned themselves to finishing mid table and lost all motivation to try for the play offs. Wouldn't make much sense and hope this is a blip and nothing more. Aside from the player's attitude, team selection and tactics seemed poor, and the referee (although not excusing the town performance, as we still deserved nothing from the game) was shocking. Onwards and upwards I guess. Swindon1984
  • Score: 0

3:55pm Mon 3 Feb 14

hertz says...

How about the free kick we gain on half way line kicking toward the bank with wind blowing straight at the bank , what did he do with it ? kicked it back to Wes against the wind , second half they get free kick in exactly same place , lashed it into 18 yard box , they get a head on it we defend it and they get a corner , unbelievable , only to be outdone when we get an offside decision in our favour , 4 times he put the ball down in their half , he must have heard the whole stadium shouting it was off side you pillock , absolutely clueless
How about the free kick we gain on half way line kicking toward the bank with wind blowing straight at the bank , what did he do with it ? kicked it back to Wes against the wind , second half they get free kick in exactly same place , lashed it into 18 yard box , they get a head on it we defend it and they get a corner , unbelievable , only to be outdone when we get an offside decision in our favour , 4 times he put the ball down in their half , he must have heard the whole stadium shouting it was off side you pillock , absolutely clueless hertz
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