SWINDON TOWN: Cooper doesn't expect to add to squad

The Wiltshire Gazette and Herald: Swindon Town boss Mark Cooper Swindon Town boss Mark Cooper

SWINDON Town manager Mark Cooper is not expecting to add any more new faces to his squad before the end of the January transfer window.

Cooper told the Advertiser last night that he has missed out on one potential acquisition, though he would not name the player in question, and he is not anticipating the chance to bring in anyone else ahead of Friday’s 11pm deadline.

Town were previously understood to lining up a deal for Liverpool striker Michael Ngoo but it appears Cooper will now have to settle for the options he already has as he tries to coax the Robins towards a League One play-off place – something he is more than happy to do.

“We were chasing somebody but I believe that person will now be joining another club,” he said after watching his side draw 1-1 at Walsall last night.

“We had a list and we’ve tried our hardest.

“What we’re not going to do is bankrupt the football club and put it in the same situation it was in the summer. I’m content to keep working with the guys we’ve got.

“I’m probably not too confident that we will do anything now before the window shuts.

“We’ve got a bunch of extremely talented young men who are getting better every day and we’re still working with them.”

Michael Smith scored his third goal in two matches for Town since joining from Charlton last week to earn Swindon a point at Walsall, after Romaine Sawyers had fired the Saddlers in front.

“I’m pleased we’ve come away and got something against a team who are going really well,” said Cooper.

“We were expected to take a battering but we battled well and we’re pleased with a point.

“We can’t go away and play exactly like we do at home and you have to ride your luck a little, but we did that and we are pleased with a point.

“We came here to win but we’ve stopped the rot and we need to beat Oldham now.

“Our changes worked and we’ve done it a few times, like at Rotherham, and it’s worked again.

“Michael’s (Smith) got off to a good start and hopefully the fans are taking to him and he’s showing he can make a career out the game.”

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7:20am Wed 29 Jan 14

old town robin says...

Nobody coming in, but no mention yet of anyone leaving either
Nobody coming in, but no mention yet of anyone leaving either old town robin

7:25am Wed 29 Jan 14

jayden says...

Morning all. Well done the boys a good result , I thought we would get beat last night so fair play . Now a win on Sat and a draw or better on Wed and our season is starting to look good , well better than Bristol City at least . I heard their manager talking after the Wolves game , glad he's not our manager. Once again lads "WELL DONE".
Morning all. Well done the boys a good result , I thought we would get beat last night so fair play . Now a win on Sat and a draw or better on Wed and our season is starting to look good , well better than Bristol City at least . I heard their manager talking after the Wolves game , glad he's not our manager. Once again lads "WELL DONE". jayden

8:01am Wed 29 Jan 14

LeGod says...

Worried the way Pritchard was saluting the crowd after the game last night it seemed like a goodbye the way he was at the end of the game or was he just pleased and saluting the fans who made the trip and because we got something at last from an away game.
will be glad when the window is shut so we can move on.
Worried the way Pritchard was saluting the crowd after the game last night it seemed like a goodbye the way he was at the end of the game or was he just pleased and saluting the fans who made the trip and because we got something at last from an away game. will be glad when the window is shut so we can move on. LeGod

8:19am Wed 29 Jan 14

you gots ta be kidding me says...

My Tottenham pal thinks Pritchard is off to Huddersfield before the weekend they he said they have matched a transfer fee in his contract so can talk to him.

Lucky not to get beat last night but a much better performance on the road than I have seen in a while, it was a good point, shows where we are now that we all consider a draw at walsall a good point. I remember how good we were against them last year under PDC.....
My Tottenham pal thinks Pritchard is off to Huddersfield before the weekend they he said they have matched a transfer fee in his contract so can talk to him. Lucky not to get beat last night but a much better performance on the road than I have seen in a while, it was a good point, shows where we are now that we all consider a draw at walsall a good point. I remember how good we were against them last year under PDC..... you gots ta be kidding me

8:20am Wed 29 Jan 14

Robinonfire says...

Last few days...Powers Sale ?
Last few days...Powers Sale ? Robinonfire

9:10am Wed 29 Jan 14

LeGod says...

Funny those of us who have posted today because people dont live in the real world and dont like you tellin them the facts we all get a big minus.

So im expecting another massive minus for this - People have to realise and understand Pritchard is off to another club i told people last week and will happen before the wekend.
Funny those of us who have posted today because people dont live in the real world and dont like you tellin them the facts we all get a big minus. So im expecting another massive minus for this - People have to realise and understand Pritchard is off to another club i told people last week and will happen before the wekend. LeGod

9:24am Wed 29 Jan 14

fraser digby's washbag says...

So far, I reckon we're better off than when the window opened. We've got reckord in to add defensive cover, plus barker and smith to replace ajose and El gabbas. With the wage cap, it really probably needs 1 out to get 1 in now. Playing with a front 2 and a diamond would see Pritchard as a loss, but funnily enough, that formation will struggle to accommodate Pritchard and mason, so if Pritchard does move, we do have a ready made replacement. If we can unload cox and n'guessan, we may have scope for 1 more centre back. If we can get Troy fit, that won't be needed.
So far, I reckon we're better off than when the window opened. We've got reckord in to add defensive cover, plus barker and smith to replace ajose and El gabbas. With the wage cap, it really probably needs 1 out to get 1 in now. Playing with a front 2 and a diamond would see Pritchard as a loss, but funnily enough, that formation will struggle to accommodate Pritchard and mason, so if Pritchard does move, we do have a ready made replacement. If we can unload cox and n'guessan, we may have scope for 1 more centre back. If we can get Troy fit, that won't be needed. fraser digby's washbag

9:28am Wed 29 Jan 14

smirg kcab says...

old town robin wrote:
Nobody coming in, but no mention yet of anyone leaving either
It dosnt say no one is coming do it? Or have I missed something again
[quote][p][bold]old town robin[/bold] wrote: Nobody coming in, but no mention yet of anyone leaving either[/p][/quote]It dosnt say no one is coming do it? Or have I missed something again smirg kcab

9:30am Wed 29 Jan 14

Cookie43 says...

Robinonfire wrote:
Last few days...Powers Sale ?
Do one Twa.t!!!
Not gonna mention a well fought point last night it was well worth the trip by the way.
Ohh i forgot your just a internet troll posting crap hidden behind a computer!!
Call yourself a fan ashamed to have the likes of yoy call yourself town fans one word sums you up pathetic
[quote][p][bold]Robinonfire[/bold] wrote: Last few days...Powers Sale ?[/p][/quote]Do one Twa.t!!! Not gonna mention a well fought point last night it was well worth the trip by the way. Ohh i forgot your just a internet troll posting crap hidden behind a computer!! Call yourself a fan ashamed to have the likes of yoy call yourself town fans one word sums you up pathetic Cookie43

9:52am Wed 29 Jan 14

stfccrew says...

Firstly, on a positive note... what a great result last night! Really didn't expect that outcome especially with Walsall's form being so good this season.

So, Mr Cooper/Power; do you really think we can rely on our current CB's for the remainder of the season..?! Overall we've had a very good season so far, however, we've had too many slip ups at the back, too many sunday league (no offence) defensive errors that have cost us points. We really do need an injection of QUALITY experience/leadershi
p to help drive us through to the playoffs. I'm saying i want us to drift into the again but please...
SIGN A DECENT CB!!

COYR!!
Firstly, on a positive note... what a great result last night! Really didn't expect that outcome especially with Walsall's form being so good this season. So, Mr Cooper/Power; do you really think we can rely on our current CB's for the remainder of the season..?! Overall we've had a very good season so far, however, we've had too many slip ups at the back, too many sunday league (no offence) defensive errors that have cost us points. We really do need an injection of QUALITY experience/leadershi p to help drive us through to the playoffs. I'm saying i want us to drift into the again but please... SIGN A DECENT CB!! COYR!! stfccrew

9:58am Wed 29 Jan 14

lifelong red says...

Good hard earned point last night . Should persevere with Louis Thompson in that defensive midfield role ,branco the same - will make mistakes at this stage hopefully will grow in stature ,would also like to see storey given a run along side smith ,with perhaps ranger coming off the bench . Don't see the need to bring more players in at this stage - with troy - reis on the way back -I think the squad looks good enough to give us respectable finish in the league -need to clear out the dead wood first . Good platform being built for next season .
Good hard earned point last night . Should persevere with Louis Thompson in that defensive midfield role ,branco the same - will make mistakes at this stage hopefully will grow in stature ,would also like to see storey given a run along side smith ,with perhaps ranger coming off the bench . Don't see the need to bring more players in at this stage - with troy - reis on the way back -I think the squad looks good enough to give us respectable finish in the league -need to clear out the dead wood first . Good platform being built for next season . lifelong red

10:38am Wed 29 Jan 14

Oi Den! says...

lifelong red wrote:
Good hard earned point last night . Should persevere with Louis Thompson in that defensive midfield role ,branco the same - will make mistakes at this stage hopefully will grow in stature ,would also like to see storey given a run along side smith ,with perhaps ranger coming off the bench . Don't see the need to bring more players in at this stage - with troy - reis on the way back -I think the squad looks good enough to give us respectable finish in the league -need to clear out the dead wood first . Good platform being built for next season .
It depends what people want/expect from this season. For anyone harbouring dreams of promotion at least one central defender and one midfielder would surely be the bare minimum. For those of us without such lofty expectations, yes we probably have enough to be clear of relegation worries. For some time now, my view has been that we'll finish about 12th and I see no reason to change that.

You mention that there's a good platform being built for next season. I can't see that. We're in a "make do and mend" season, with a very patched up squad. Big changes needed in the summer if we're to build a team with credible promotion aspirations.
[quote][p][bold]lifelong red[/bold] wrote: Good hard earned point last night . Should persevere with Louis Thompson in that defensive midfield role ,branco the same - will make mistakes at this stage hopefully will grow in stature ,would also like to see storey given a run along side smith ,with perhaps ranger coming off the bench . Don't see the need to bring more players in at this stage - with troy - reis on the way back -I think the squad looks good enough to give us respectable finish in the league -need to clear out the dead wood first . Good platform being built for next season .[/p][/quote]It depends what people want/expect from this season. For anyone harbouring dreams of promotion at least one central defender and one midfielder would surely be the bare minimum. For those of us without such lofty expectations, yes we probably have enough to be clear of relegation worries. For some time now, my view has been that we'll finish about 12th and I see no reason to change that. You mention that there's a good platform being built for next season. I can't see that. We're in a "make do and mend" season, with a very patched up squad. Big changes needed in the summer if we're to build a team with credible promotion aspirations. Oi Den!

10:48am Wed 29 Jan 14

London Red says...

Washbag - looks like Cooper went to the 532 I was calling for and that is when we got the equaliser!
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So if we were to continue flipping between the 2 formations used last night - think you are right that losing Pritchard becomes less of a blow (note the word less before anyone remarks that he will be a loss)
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We have both Mason and Harley who can play in the hole - also Barker could play there - so plenty of options
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Only thing is it will prevent us from going 4231 or 433 as we suddenly are short on wide players - even if Tijane is back
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N'Guessan can do the job but is out of favour and no Pritchard and Storey failed to make the impact there I thought he would - so we would be left with just Byrne and Tijane - who is not currently available
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Funny that a few weeks back we had too many options out wide and few up top and now its potentially totally swung around
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Emergency window re-opens a week after the Jan one closes so if we do lose Pritchard and are able to shift Cox and N'Guessan maybe a wide player will be needed?
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More so than a CB as Thompson and Jay have played well in there and Troy is closer to a return and we can always get Oakley back from his loan!
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If we keep L.Thompson in as defensicve cover and revert back to 4231/433- it means it should become either Kasim or Luongo - as we don't have enough attacking thrust with that trio - Mason or Harley would be needed to drive us forward more
Washbag - looks like Cooper went to the 532 I was calling for and that is when we got the equaliser! . So if we were to continue flipping between the 2 formations used last night - think you are right that losing Pritchard becomes less of a blow (note the word less before anyone remarks that he will be a loss) . We have both Mason and Harley who can play in the hole - also Barker could play there - so plenty of options . Only thing is it will prevent us from going 4231 or 433 as we suddenly are short on wide players - even if Tijane is back . N'Guessan can do the job but is out of favour and no Pritchard and Storey failed to make the impact there I thought he would - so we would be left with just Byrne and Tijane - who is not currently available . Funny that a few weeks back we had too many options out wide and few up top and now its potentially totally swung around . Emergency window re-opens a week after the Jan one closes so if we do lose Pritchard and are able to shift Cox and N'Guessan maybe a wide player will be needed? . More so than a CB as Thompson and Jay have played well in there and Troy is closer to a return and we can always get Oakley back from his loan! . If we keep L.Thompson in as defensicve cover and revert back to 4231/433- it means it should become either Kasim or Luongo - as we don't have enough attacking thrust with that trio - Mason or Harley would be needed to drive us forward more London Red

11:00am Wed 29 Jan 14

London Red says...

Talk about glass empty Den - we are far from relegation trouble - 15 points clear last time I looked! The clubs down the bottom only have just over 20 points - so not dure where they are suddenly going to make that ground up - 100/1 to go down backs that up!
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We are probably now only 9 or 10 points from safety - with home games against Oldham, Sheff U, Crawley and Colchester to come that should be enough to do it! Let alone the remaining games on top!
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I really can't see how you say the squad is so poor - we are not 8th out of luck - we are there for a reason and that is we have some really good L1 footballers at our club
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Foderingham, Belford, N.Thompson, Barthram, Branco, Byrne, Smith, Tijane, Kasim, Luongo, Harley, L.Thompson, Storey, Barker and Smith - all under contract beyond the summer - that is a very good core to build on
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We also have others like Ranger, Troy and McEveley who could have deals extended - all who have shown to be good at L1 level and in Ranger far better than this level!
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Ward is also in contract beyond next season though not really one to build around as coming to the end of his career - but could be a good coach???
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Yes we have gaps - no one has never said we haven't - but with lots of deadwood on massive wages going in the summer it should give us plenty of room to address those gaps and make the whole squad stronger
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I'm sure that after Navarro, Williams, Cox and Benson move on there will be enough wages available to sign a decent commanding CB and strong holding midfielder to add bite!
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I honestly feel the gems we pulled out of nowhere this year are just the start of things to come and we will see more pleasent surprise arrive in the summer
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POs are a posibility and if we make them fantastic - if we fall short so be it - it was always a season of tranistion and we haven't turned into Sheff U or Bristol!
Talk about glass empty Den - we are far from relegation trouble - 15 points clear last time I looked! The clubs down the bottom only have just over 20 points - so not dure where they are suddenly going to make that ground up - 100/1 to go down backs that up! . We are probably now only 9 or 10 points from safety - with home games against Oldham, Sheff U, Crawley and Colchester to come that should be enough to do it! Let alone the remaining games on top! . I really can't see how you say the squad is so poor - we are not 8th out of luck - we are there for a reason and that is we have some really good L1 footballers at our club . Foderingham, Belford, N.Thompson, Barthram, Branco, Byrne, Smith, Tijane, Kasim, Luongo, Harley, L.Thompson, Storey, Barker and Smith - all under contract beyond the summer - that is a very good core to build on . We also have others like Ranger, Troy and McEveley who could have deals extended - all who have shown to be good at L1 level and in Ranger far better than this level! . Ward is also in contract beyond next season though not really one to build around as coming to the end of his career - but could be a good coach??? . Yes we have gaps - no one has never said we haven't - but with lots of deadwood on massive wages going in the summer it should give us plenty of room to address those gaps and make the whole squad stronger . I'm sure that after Navarro, Williams, Cox and Benson move on there will be enough wages available to sign a decent commanding CB and strong holding midfielder to add bite! . I honestly feel the gems we pulled out of nowhere this year are just the start of things to come and we will see more pleasent surprise arrive in the summer . POs are a posibility and if we make them fantastic - if we fall short so be it - it was always a season of tranistion and we haven't turned into Sheff U or Bristol! London Red

11:27am Wed 29 Jan 14

Oi Den! says...

My glass is nowhere near empty LR. I didn't expect miracles this season and I think Cooper's doing a great job. My core for next season would be the players who bust a gut for our club. That would be the Thompson boys and Michael Smith, plus maybe Branco and McEveley. I would love to keep Foderingham but can't see him staying. Some of the others you mention are good footballers and might be good for the club if (a) they can show a bit more commitment to the cause and/or (b) we can get a couple of leaders into the team to drive them along.
My glass is nowhere near empty LR. I didn't expect miracles this season and I think Cooper's doing a great job. My core for next season would be the players who bust a gut for our club. That would be the Thompson boys and Michael Smith, plus maybe Branco and McEveley. I would love to keep Foderingham but can't see him staying. Some of the others you mention are good footballers and might be good for the club if (a) they can show a bit more commitment to the cause and/or (b) we can get a couple of leaders into the team to drive them along. Oi Den!

11:39am Wed 29 Jan 14

port de soller says...

Nobody coming, well makes sense again Town being cautious and cutting therecloth.As for Pritchard sad but was bound to happen,wish we could have him until end of season.
Yet is a Rumour/Speculation we will see soon enough.
Good effort last night
Nobody coming, well makes sense again Town being cautious and cutting therecloth.As for Pritchard sad but was bound to happen,wish we could have him until end of season. Yet is a Rumour/Speculation we will see soon enough. Good effort last night port de soller

12:25pm Wed 29 Jan 14

london paolo says...

My expectations for this season were survival (I predicted 14th at the start) so to be on the fringe of the play-offs is better than expected. To realistically challenge for that play-off spot I would say that we need to keep Pritchard (unlikely by the sounds of it), and get a centre back. If we're just looking towards next season, then perhaps it doesn't matter if Pritchard leaves, we need more of our own players to come through and rely less on loans.
My expectations for this season were survival (I predicted 14th at the start) so to be on the fringe of the play-offs is better than expected. To realistically challenge for that play-off spot I would say that we need to keep Pritchard (unlikely by the sounds of it), and get a centre back. If we're just looking towards next season, then perhaps it doesn't matter if Pritchard leaves, we need more of our own players to come through and rely less on loans. london paolo

12:43pm Wed 29 Jan 14

sheriffred says...

LeGod wrote:
Worried the way Pritchard was saluting the crowd after the game last night it seemed like a goodbye the way he was at the end of the game or was he just pleased and saluting the fans who made the trip and because we got something at last from an away game.
will be glad when the window is shut so we can move on.
Obviously Pritch is a talented player and always exciting to watch but if our problem is physicality and getting muscled off the ball (especially away from home) I say we can do without (plus his form hasn't been great of late..how many free kicks has he ploughed into the wall??)

He'll be a very VERY good scoop for someone but at the moment our priority should be to show more dominance in the middle of the park, so I say play Harley.

That's not to take away what happened last night - good result and will hopefully help us turn the corner on the road (pardon the pun)
[quote][p][bold]LeGod[/bold] wrote: Worried the way Pritchard was saluting the crowd after the game last night it seemed like a goodbye the way he was at the end of the game or was he just pleased and saluting the fans who made the trip and because we got something at last from an away game. will be glad when the window is shut so we can move on.[/p][/quote]Obviously Pritch is a talented player and always exciting to watch but if our problem is physicality and getting muscled off the ball (especially away from home) I say we can do without (plus his form hasn't been great of late..how many free kicks has he ploughed into the wall??) He'll be a very VERY good scoop for someone but at the moment our priority should be to show more dominance in the middle of the park, so I say play Harley. That's not to take away what happened last night - good result and will hopefully help us turn the corner on the road (pardon the pun) sheriffred

12:55pm Wed 29 Jan 14

Swindon1984 says...

you gots ta be kidding me wrote:
My Tottenham pal thinks Pritchard is off to Huddersfield before the weekend they he said they have matched a transfer fee in his contract so can talk to him. Lucky not to get beat last night but a much better performance on the road than I have seen in a while, it was a good point, shows where we are now that we all consider a draw at walsall a good point. I remember how good we were against them last year under PDC.....
Not at home last season against them, should've definitely beaten them and threw it away! But last night definitely a good result.
[quote][p][bold]you gots ta be kidding me[/bold] wrote: My Tottenham pal thinks Pritchard is off to Huddersfield before the weekend they he said they have matched a transfer fee in his contract so can talk to him. Lucky not to get beat last night but a much better performance on the road than I have seen in a while, it was a good point, shows where we are now that we all consider a draw at walsall a good point. I remember how good we were against them last year under PDC.....[/p][/quote]Not at home last season against them, should've definitely beaten them and threw it away! But last night definitely a good result. Swindon1984

1:36pm Wed 29 Jan 14

swindonjason says...

LeGod wrote:
Worried the way Pritchard was saluting the crowd after the game last night it seemed like a goodbye the way he was at the end of the game or was he just pleased and saluting the fans who made the trip and because we got something at last from an away game. will be glad when the window is shut so we can move on.
I thought exactly the same.

I believe that he also picked up his 10th booking last night, meaning a 2 match ban looms against Oldham and Peterborough away in the paint pot.
[quote][p][bold]LeGod[/bold] wrote: Worried the way Pritchard was saluting the crowd after the game last night it seemed like a goodbye the way he was at the end of the game or was he just pleased and saluting the fans who made the trip and because we got something at last from an away game. will be glad when the window is shut so we can move on.[/p][/quote]I thought exactly the same. I believe that he also picked up his 10th booking last night, meaning a 2 match ban looms against Oldham and Peterborough away in the paint pot. swindonjason

1:43pm Wed 29 Jan 14

lifelong red says...

Den .. I cannot add anything more to what L.R.has posted ,they echo my thoughts exactly .
Den .. I cannot add anything more to what L.R.has posted ,they echo my thoughts exactly . lifelong red

1:45pm Wed 29 Jan 14

old town robin says...

smirg kcab wrote:
old town robin wrote:
Nobody coming in, but no mention yet of anyone leaving either
It dosnt say no one is coming do it? Or have I missed something again
I'll let you know Saturday morning, but if Coops says he's not anticipating, I would take that as a no, but you never know he might just be keeping Sam guessing.
[quote][p][bold]smirg kcab[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]old town robin[/bold] wrote: Nobody coming in, but no mention yet of anyone leaving either[/p][/quote]It dosnt say no one is coming do it? Or have I missed something again[/p][/quote]I'll let you know Saturday morning, but if Coops says he's not anticipating, I would take that as a no, but you never know he might just be keeping Sam guessing. old town robin

1:53pm Wed 29 Jan 14

Wilesy says...

London Red wrote:
Washbag - looks like Cooper went to the 532 I was calling for and that is when we got the equaliser!
.
So if we were to continue flipping between the 2 formations used last night - think you are right that losing Pritchard becomes less of a blow (note the word less before anyone remarks that he will be a loss)
.
We have both Mason and Harley who can play in the hole - also Barker could play there - so plenty of options
.
Only thing is it will prevent us from going 4231 or 433 as we suddenly are short on wide players - even if Tijane is back
.
N'Guessan can do the job but is out of favour and no Pritchard and Storey failed to make the impact there I thought he would - so we would be left with just Byrne and Tijane - who is not currently available
.
Funny that a few weeks back we had too many options out wide and few up top and now its potentially totally swung around
.
Emergency window re-opens a week after the Jan one closes so if we do lose Pritchard and are able to shift Cox and N'Guessan maybe a wide player will be needed?
.
More so than a CB as Thompson and Jay have played well in there and Troy is closer to a return and we can always get Oakley back from his loan!
.
If we keep L.Thompson in as defensicve cover and revert back to 4231/433- it means it should become either Kasim or Luongo - as we don't have enough attacking thrust with that trio - Mason or Harley would be needed to drive us forward more
LR it was a 4-4-2 diamond formation with Louis - Kasim / Luongo - Pritchard. When Pritchard was subbed for Barthram, Barthram played on the right and it was more of a flat 4 in the middle with whoever getting forward when they could. At no time was it 5 at the back.

I guess more importantly they all put in a shift which outweighs the tactical issue of formation. If we'd have played with the same level of commitment as at Stevenage, Walsall who were a better team by a mile would have probably got double figures.

It did look like a farewell from Pritchard and the Town fans responded to his lengthy applause after his early substitution as he walked off with 'There's only one Alex Pritchard'. Left sharpish on the final whistle so didn't see if he camee back over again.

We should persevere with Louis as the back of the diamond imo if no further incomings.

Ranger is so annoying.....on his day he is unplayable and the best player in his position in this League by a distance yet the baggage is so heavy. On one hand I would have got rid of him about 3 times by now and at Stevenage away you think he's not even interested but on the other hand he plays like he did against Shrews and Walsall and I want to see him sign a new contract! Grr!
[quote][p][bold]London Red[/bold] wrote: Washbag - looks like Cooper went to the 532 I was calling for and that is when we got the equaliser! . So if we were to continue flipping between the 2 formations used last night - think you are right that losing Pritchard becomes less of a blow (note the word less before anyone remarks that he will be a loss) . We have both Mason and Harley who can play in the hole - also Barker could play there - so plenty of options . Only thing is it will prevent us from going 4231 or 433 as we suddenly are short on wide players - even if Tijane is back . N'Guessan can do the job but is out of favour and no Pritchard and Storey failed to make the impact there I thought he would - so we would be left with just Byrne and Tijane - who is not currently available . Funny that a few weeks back we had too many options out wide and few up top and now its potentially totally swung around . Emergency window re-opens a week after the Jan one closes so if we do lose Pritchard and are able to shift Cox and N'Guessan maybe a wide player will be needed? . More so than a CB as Thompson and Jay have played well in there and Troy is closer to a return and we can always get Oakley back from his loan! . If we keep L.Thompson in as defensicve cover and revert back to 4231/433- it means it should become either Kasim or Luongo - as we don't have enough attacking thrust with that trio - Mason or Harley would be needed to drive us forward more[/p][/quote]LR it was a 4-4-2 diamond formation with Louis - Kasim / Luongo - Pritchard. When Pritchard was subbed for Barthram, Barthram played on the right and it was more of a flat 4 in the middle with whoever getting forward when they could. At no time was it 5 at the back. I guess more importantly they all put in a shift which outweighs the tactical issue of formation. If we'd have played with the same level of commitment as at Stevenage, Walsall who were a better team by a mile would have probably got double figures. It did look like a farewell from Pritchard and the Town fans responded to his lengthy applause after his early substitution as he walked off with 'There's only one Alex Pritchard'. Left sharpish on the final whistle so didn't see if he camee back over again. We should persevere with Louis as the back of the diamond imo if no further incomings. Ranger is so annoying.....on his day he is unplayable and the best player in his position in this League by a distance yet the baggage is so heavy. On one hand I would have got rid of him about 3 times by now and at Stevenage away you think he's not even interested but on the other hand he plays like he did against Shrews and Walsall and I want to see him sign a new contract! Grr! Wilesy

2:16pm Wed 29 Jan 14

Oi Den! says...

lifelong red wrote:
Den .. I cannot add anything more to what L.R.has posted ,they echo my thoughts exactly .
Fair enough LR2(!) We agree to differ. My view is that many of the players you and LR believe to be the core for next season are either unproven fringe players or have been inconsistent in their commitment. I don't think they represent the core of a good squad.

LR always seems to take the view that because we have plenty of players we have plenty of options. He seems to make the assumption that if they're here, they're good enough. I'll be surprised if more than half of your core players are involved to any great degree (or - in some cases - involved at all) next season. We'll see. I'll be quite happy to be taken to task if I'm wrong.
[quote][p][bold]lifelong red[/bold] wrote: Den .. I cannot add anything more to what L.R.has posted ,they echo my thoughts exactly .[/p][/quote]Fair enough LR2(!) We agree to differ. My view is that many of the players you and LR believe to be the core for next season are either unproven fringe players or have been inconsistent in their commitment. I don't think they represent the core of a good squad. LR always seems to take the view that because we have plenty of players we have plenty of options. He seems to make the assumption that if they're here, they're good enough. I'll be surprised if more than half of your core players are involved to any great degree (or - in some cases - involved at all) next season. We'll see. I'll be quite happy to be taken to task if I'm wrong. Oi Den!

2:29pm Wed 29 Jan 14

Davidsyrett says...

Oi Den! wrote:
lifelong red wrote:
Den .. I cannot add anything more to what L.R.has posted ,they echo my thoughts exactly .
Fair enough LR2(!) We agree to differ. My view is that many of the players you and LR believe to be the core for next season are either unproven fringe players or have been inconsistent in their commitment. I don't think they represent the core of a good squad.

LR always seems to take the view that because we have plenty of players we have plenty of options. He seems to make the assumption that if they're here, they're good enough. I'll be surprised if more than half of your core players are involved to any great degree (or - in some cases - involved at all) next season. We'll see. I'll be quite happy to be taken to task if I'm wrong.
Den, here's something I posted a couple of days ago in reply to the same sort of discussion:

"Team for next season?

Belford/Bedwell

Thomo (N) Troy Branco Bryne
Reis, Mass Thomo (L) Gladwin Kasim
Smith

subs: Barthram, Storey, Barker, Smith, Francis, Harley,

All these players are signed up for next season I think. Add a few loans (couple experienced) and a few more signings (CB's) then I don't think we will be to far away from a decent young side."

I don't think that's a bad "core" of the team
[quote][p][bold]Oi Den![/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]lifelong red[/bold] wrote: Den .. I cannot add anything more to what L.R.has posted ,they echo my thoughts exactly .[/p][/quote]Fair enough LR2(!) We agree to differ. My view is that many of the players you and LR believe to be the core for next season are either unproven fringe players or have been inconsistent in their commitment. I don't think they represent the core of a good squad. LR always seems to take the view that because we have plenty of players we have plenty of options. He seems to make the assumption that if they're here, they're good enough. I'll be surprised if more than half of your core players are involved to any great degree (or - in some cases - involved at all) next season. We'll see. I'll be quite happy to be taken to task if I'm wrong.[/p][/quote]Den, here's something I posted a couple of days ago in reply to the same sort of discussion: "Team for next season? Belford/Bedwell Thomo (N) Troy Branco Bryne Reis, Mass Thomo (L) Gladwin Kasim Smith subs: Barthram, Storey, Barker, Smith, Francis, Harley, All these players are signed up for next season I think. Add a few loans (couple experienced) and a few more signings (CB's) then I don't think we will be to far away from a decent young side." I don't think that's a bad "core" of the team Davidsyrett

2:53pm Wed 29 Jan 14

smirg kcab says...

old town robin wrote:
smirg kcab wrote:
old town robin wrote:
Nobody coming in, but no mention yet of anyone leaving either
It dosnt say no one is coming do it? Or have I missed something again
I'll let you know Saturday morning, but if Coops says he's not anticipating, I would take that as a no, but you never know he might just be keeping Sam guessing.
He's made it clear he don't tell s. m nothing now, coopers very shrewd how he tells things, I'm sure he winds him up lol. I still think one will arrive,( maybe wrong) as you say we will have to wait,
[quote][p][bold]old town robin[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]smirg kcab[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]old town robin[/bold] wrote: Nobody coming in, but no mention yet of anyone leaving either[/p][/quote]It dosnt say no one is coming do it? Or have I missed something again[/p][/quote]I'll let you know Saturday morning, but if Coops says he's not anticipating, I would take that as a no, but you never know he might just be keeping Sam guessing.[/p][/quote]He's made it clear he don't tell s. m nothing now, coopers very shrewd how he tells things, I'm sure he winds him up lol. I still think one will arrive,( maybe wrong) as you say we will have to wait, smirg kcab

2:56pm Wed 29 Jan 14

smirg kcab says...

Davidsyrett wrote:
Oi Den! wrote:
lifelong red wrote:
Den .. I cannot add anything more to what L.R.has posted ,they echo my thoughts exactly .
Fair enough LR2(!) We agree to differ. My view is that many of the players you and LR believe to be the core for next season are either unproven fringe players or have been inconsistent in their commitment. I don't think they represent the core of a good squad.

LR always seems to take the view that because we have plenty of players we have plenty of options. He seems to make the assumption that if they're here, they're good enough. I'll be surprised if more than half of your core players are involved to any great degree (or - in some cases - involved at all) next season. We'll see. I'll be quite happy to be taken to task if I'm wrong.
Den, here's something I posted a couple of days ago in reply to the same sort of discussion:

"Team for next season?

Belford/Bedwell

Thomo (N) Troy Branco Bryne
Reis, Mass Thomo (L) Gladwin Kasim
Smith

subs: Barthram, Storey, Barker, Smith, Francis, Harley,

All these players are signed up for next season I think. Add a few loans (couple experienced) and a few more signings (CB's) then I don't think we will be to far away from a decent young side."

I don't think that's a bad "core" of the team
What a poor side. Hope we don't line up with that next season, cooper can't buy a win away with the players he has now
[quote][p][bold]Davidsyrett[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Oi Den![/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]lifelong red[/bold] wrote: Den .. I cannot add anything more to what L.R.has posted ,they echo my thoughts exactly .[/p][/quote]Fair enough LR2(!) We agree to differ. My view is that many of the players you and LR believe to be the core for next season are either unproven fringe players or have been inconsistent in their commitment. I don't think they represent the core of a good squad. LR always seems to take the view that because we have plenty of players we have plenty of options. He seems to make the assumption that if they're here, they're good enough. I'll be surprised if more than half of your core players are involved to any great degree (or - in some cases - involved at all) next season. We'll see. I'll be quite happy to be taken to task if I'm wrong.[/p][/quote]Den, here's something I posted a couple of days ago in reply to the same sort of discussion: "Team for next season? Belford/Bedwell Thomo (N) Troy Branco Bryne Reis, Mass Thomo (L) Gladwin Kasim Smith subs: Barthram, Storey, Barker, Smith, Francis, Harley, All these players are signed up for next season I think. Add a few loans (couple experienced) and a few more signings (CB's) then I don't think we will be to far away from a decent young side." I don't think that's a bad "core" of the team[/p][/quote]What a poor side. Hope we don't line up with that next season, cooper can't buy a win away with the players he has now smirg kcab

3:07pm Wed 29 Jan 14

smirg kcab says...

Good luck to Alan Connell on his move to Northampton
Good luck to Alan Connell on his move to Northampton smirg kcab

3:20pm Wed 29 Jan 14

smirg kcab says...

http://www.flicwilts
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One-with-Lee-Power.a
spx#.UukaXnggGc1
http://www.flicwilts hirenews.com/Sport/F ootball/STFC/One-on- One-with-Lee-Power.a spx#.UukaXnggGc1 smirg kcab

3:21pm Wed 29 Jan 14

smirg kcab says...

Questions and answers from power a great read and tells who going/ coming
Navarro retired and going for compo ect ect
Questions and answers from power a great read and tells who going/ coming Navarro retired and going for compo ect ect smirg kcab

3:26pm Wed 29 Jan 14

hertz says...

Coops would'nt know if they have anyone coming in ? I doubt Power has told him yet :0) did I hear a million quid for Pritchard , he is never worth that .
Coops would'nt know if they have anyone coming in ? I doubt Power has told him yet :0) did I hear a million quid for Pritchard , he is never worth that . hertz

3:27pm Wed 29 Jan 14

London Red says...

Den - you know what they say about assuming and you certainly have done that with that last post!
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That couldn't be further from my view point if you tried!
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If I was just simply naming players on our books I would have thrown in Gladwin, Oakley, Francis, Waldon, Ferguson, Bedwell etc who are all on our books - however, note I didn't and didn't for a reason - they are unknown and untested to make up part of the core to build on
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I have also been very critical of players in the past and never said just as they are here they are good enough - I have always questioned why people wanted Benson back for example and was delighted when Williams went
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I also have questioned Ward's ability as I think he best days are behind him - I was cry out for us to get El-Abd who I thought would sure us up!
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All the players I named are and have been in around the matchday squad and proven to have the quality needed to make it at this level or above
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Granted they have not all done it consistently (even Fodders, Thompson and McEveley fall in to that category!) - if they did they wouldn't play for Swindon and wouldn't be in L1!
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You slate our central midfield - yet QPR didn't bid £250k for Kasim for nothing!
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Also why has Luongo had numerous Championship clubs looking at him if he is that bad?
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Obviously its your opinion but I really really can't see how you think we only have 4 or 5 players at the club who are worth considering building a team/squad from
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I'm more than happy to have those 15 named as the nucleas and for Power, Cooper and Williams to go out and look to add another 4 or 5 players to them in the summer to give us a core squad to go with next campaign
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Then like this year add in some youths and non league gambles to top up the squad to ensure we have enough players to fill the matchday squad if required - but also to have a look at them to see if they will be able to step up
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N.Thompson spent about 3 season waiting for a chance - whos to say one of the 5 first year pros won't be similar????
Den - you know what they say about assuming and you certainly have done that with that last post! . That couldn't be further from my view point if you tried! . If I was just simply naming players on our books I would have thrown in Gladwin, Oakley, Francis, Waldon, Ferguson, Bedwell etc who are all on our books - however, note I didn't and didn't for a reason - they are unknown and untested to make up part of the core to build on . I have also been very critical of players in the past and never said just as they are here they are good enough - I have always questioned why people wanted Benson back for example and was delighted when Williams went . I also have questioned Ward's ability as I think he best days are behind him - I was cry out for us to get El-Abd who I thought would sure us up! . All the players I named are and have been in around the matchday squad and proven to have the quality needed to make it at this level or above . Granted they have not all done it consistently (even Fodders, Thompson and McEveley fall in to that category!) - if they did they wouldn't play for Swindon and wouldn't be in L1! . You slate our central midfield - yet QPR didn't bid £250k for Kasim for nothing! . Also why has Luongo had numerous Championship clubs looking at him if he is that bad? . Obviously its your opinion but I really really can't see how you think we only have 4 or 5 players at the club who are worth considering building a team/squad from . I'm more than happy to have those 15 named as the nucleas and for Power, Cooper and Williams to go out and look to add another 4 or 5 players to them in the summer to give us a core squad to go with next campaign . Then like this year add in some youths and non league gambles to top up the squad to ensure we have enough players to fill the matchday squad if required - but also to have a look at them to see if they will be able to step up . N.Thompson spent about 3 season waiting for a chance - whos to say one of the 5 first year pros won't be similar???? London Red

3:30pm Wed 29 Jan 14

London Red says...

Wilesy - wasn't there last night so was going by what Sam reported and he said when Bathram came on that we switched to a 532/352 with Thompson tucking in alongside Ward and Branco and Barthram and Reckford providing the width
Wilesy - wasn't there last night so was going by what Sam reported and he said when Bathram came on that we switched to a 532/352 with Thompson tucking in alongside Ward and Branco and Barthram and Reckford providing the width London Red

4:07pm Wed 29 Jan 14

smirg kcab says...

hertz wrote:
Coops would'nt know if they have anyone coming in ? I doubt Power has told him yet :0) did I hear a million quid for Pritchard , he is never worth that .
If you read the link spurs ain't selling
[quote][p][bold]hertz[/bold] wrote: Coops would'nt know if they have anyone coming in ? I doubt Power has told him yet :0) did I hear a million quid for Pritchard , he is never worth that .[/p][/quote]If you read the link spurs ain't selling smirg kcab

5:16pm Wed 29 Jan 14

lifelong red says...

Den.. bit below the belt , referring to me as LR2 - just making a point like everyone else but as you say will have to agree to differ .
Den.. bit below the belt , referring to me as LR2 - just making a point like everyone else but as you say will have to agree to differ . lifelong red

6:24pm Wed 29 Jan 14

Oi Den! says...

lifelong red wrote:
Den.. bit below the belt , referring to me as LR2 - just making a point like everyone else but as you say will have to agree to differ .
Haha! Misunderstanding there. It wasn't a pop at you. lifelong red = lr. Hence LR2.
[quote][p][bold]lifelong red[/bold] wrote: Den.. bit below the belt , referring to me as LR2 - just making a point like everyone else but as you say will have to agree to differ .[/p][/quote]Haha! Misunderstanding there. It wasn't a pop at you. lifelong red = lr. Hence LR2. Oi Den!

6:26pm Wed 29 Jan 14

Wilesy says...

London Red wrote:
Wilesy - wasn't there last night so was going by what Sam reported and he said when Bathram came on that we switched to a 532/352 with Thompson tucking in alongside Ward and Branco and Barthram and Reckford providing the width
Fair enough, was difficult to see the exact lines from low down behind the goal but to be fair Thompson and Reckford didn't get forward much in the latter stages and the midfield four were all tucking in as the ball was in our half most of the time....the lads dug in well though
[quote][p][bold]London Red[/bold] wrote: Wilesy - wasn't there last night so was going by what Sam reported and he said when Bathram came on that we switched to a 532/352 with Thompson tucking in alongside Ward and Branco and Barthram and Reckford providing the width[/p][/quote]Fair enough, was difficult to see the exact lines from low down behind the goal but to be fair Thompson and Reckford didn't get forward much in the latter stages and the midfield four were all tucking in as the ball was in our half most of the time....the lads dug in well though Wilesy

6:40pm Wed 29 Jan 14

Oi Den! says...

LR, point taken. I won't pursue the debate about the core of the squad for next season. We could go round in circles on that for ever.

It's not a case of "slating" the central midfield. You've acknowledge it lacks strength. It's a big weakness and one of the reasons we are often all at sea at the back.
LR, point taken. I won't pursue the debate about the core of the squad for next season. We could go round in circles on that for ever. It's not a case of "slating" the central midfield. You've acknowledge it lacks strength. It's a big weakness and one of the reasons we are often all at sea at the back. Oi Den!

7:15pm Wed 29 Jan 14

Oi Den! says...

LR, sorry - just one more comment on this. I think we have different interpretations of the word "core". To me it means a solid group that we can build the team around. I'm not saying the players I named are the only ones who are any good, just that they represent the core because they are the ones who consistently give everything. I would be more sorry to lose them than any of the others.
LR, sorry - just one more comment on this. I think we have different interpretations of the word "core". To me it means a solid group that we can build the team around. I'm not saying the players I named are the only ones who are any good, just that they represent the core because they are the ones who consistently give everything. I would be more sorry to lose them than any of the others. Oi Den!

7:39pm Wed 29 Jan 14

avo says...

Grim - thanks for that link, I really enjoyed reading the interview. Some good insightful stuff from the chairman.
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There was some debate the other day as to whether Reckford could play CB and according to the chairman he can.
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Interesting too that he openly admits that the Tottenham link is just as much about developing their players for them as it is about bringing in some quality to help us out. Nothing surprising there, but nothing to be pessimistic about either. He also alluded to building stronger links with Liverpool, and was keen to state that this is where his own strengths lie, in building relationships with other clubs, for a mutual benefit to both. Again, nothing new there, just a reinforcement of his intentions. Why on earth some feel the need to question his intentions at this stage is beyond me. Give the guy a chance to stand true to his word.
Grim - thanks for that link, I really enjoyed reading the interview. Some good insightful stuff from the chairman. . There was some debate the other day as to whether Reckford could play CB and according to the chairman he can. . Interesting too that he openly admits that the Tottenham link is just as much about developing their players for them as it is about bringing in some quality to help us out. Nothing surprising there, but nothing to be pessimistic about either. He also alluded to building stronger links with Liverpool, and was keen to state that this is where his own strengths lie, in building relationships with other clubs, for a mutual benefit to both. Again, nothing new there, just a reinforcement of his intentions. Why on earth some feel the need to question his intentions at this stage is beyond me. Give the guy a chance to stand true to his word. avo

8:46pm Wed 29 Jan 14

smirg kcab says...

avo wrote:
Grim - thanks for that link, I really enjoyed reading the interview. Some good insightful stuff from the chairman.
.
There was some debate the other day as to whether Reckford could play CB and according to the chairman he can.
.
Interesting too that he openly admits that the Tottenham link is just as much about developing their players for them as it is about bringing in some quality to help us out. Nothing surprising there, but nothing to be pessimistic about either. He also alluded to building stronger links with Liverpool, and was keen to state that this is where his own strengths lie, in building relationships with other clubs, for a mutual benefit to both. Again, nothing new there, just a reinforcement of his intentions. Why on earth some feel the need to question his intentions at this stage is beyond me. Give the guy a chance to stand true to his word.
Ok no problems avo.
That answers a lot about Navarro, surprised it hasn't been mentioned on here before, saying that they don't tell morshead anything anymore.
So he's retired through Injury and seeking compo. One of the biggest waste of spaces the town has ever had, talking about milking it?
[quote][p][bold]avo[/bold] wrote: Grim - thanks for that link, I really enjoyed reading the interview. Some good insightful stuff from the chairman. . There was some debate the other day as to whether Reckford could play CB and according to the chairman he can. . Interesting too that he openly admits that the Tottenham link is just as much about developing their players for them as it is about bringing in some quality to help us out. Nothing surprising there, but nothing to be pessimistic about either. He also alluded to building stronger links with Liverpool, and was keen to state that this is where his own strengths lie, in building relationships with other clubs, for a mutual benefit to both. Again, nothing new there, just a reinforcement of his intentions. Why on earth some feel the need to question his intentions at this stage is beyond me. Give the guy a chance to stand true to his word.[/p][/quote]Ok no problems avo. That answers a lot about Navarro, surprised it hasn't been mentioned on here before, saying that they don't tell morshead anything anymore. So he's retired through Injury and seeking compo. One of the biggest waste of spaces the town has ever had, talking about milking it? smirg kcab

9:14pm Wed 29 Jan 14

Di kanny oh says...

smirg kcab wrote:
avo wrote:
Grim - thanks for that link, I really enjoyed reading the interview. Some good insightful stuff from the chairman.
.
There was some debate the other day as to whether Reckford could play CB and according to the chairman he can.
.
Interesting too that he openly admits that the Tottenham link is just as much about developing their players for them as it is about bringing in some quality to help us out. Nothing surprising there, but nothing to be pessimistic about either. He also alluded to building stronger links with Liverpool, and was keen to state that this is where his own strengths lie, in building relationships with other clubs, for a mutual benefit to both. Again, nothing new there, just a reinforcement of his intentions. Why on earth some feel the need to question his intentions at this stage is beyond me. Give the guy a chance to stand true to his word.
Ok no problems avo.
That answers a lot about Navarro, surprised it hasn't been mentioned on here before, saying that they don't tell morshead anything anymore.
So he's retired through Injury and seeking compo. One of the biggest waste of spaces the town has ever had, talking about milking it?
Yes Grim great reading that is. What a signing this Agomar was hey broken leg I do not remember that happening or have I missed that. We seem to have such bad luck with players to be honest Tigane, Smith, Troy Arch, Oakley, Navaro, Cox, and now this Agomar who was one of Jeds signings I think. May be we should rename our club Sicknote Town.
[quote][p][bold]smirg kcab[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]avo[/bold] wrote: Grim - thanks for that link, I really enjoyed reading the interview. Some good insightful stuff from the chairman. . There was some debate the other day as to whether Reckford could play CB and according to the chairman he can. . Interesting too that he openly admits that the Tottenham link is just as much about developing their players for them as it is about bringing in some quality to help us out. Nothing surprising there, but nothing to be pessimistic about either. He also alluded to building stronger links with Liverpool, and was keen to state that this is where his own strengths lie, in building relationships with other clubs, for a mutual benefit to both. Again, nothing new there, just a reinforcement of his intentions. Why on earth some feel the need to question his intentions at this stage is beyond me. Give the guy a chance to stand true to his word.[/p][/quote]Ok no problems avo. That answers a lot about Navarro, surprised it hasn't been mentioned on here before, saying that they don't tell morshead anything anymore. So he's retired through Injury and seeking compo. One of the biggest waste of spaces the town has ever had, talking about milking it?[/p][/quote]Yes Grim great reading that is. What a signing this Agomar was hey broken leg I do not remember that happening or have I missed that. We seem to have such bad luck with players to be honest Tigane, Smith, Troy Arch, Oakley, Navaro, Cox, and now this Agomar who was one of Jeds signings I think. May be we should rename our club Sicknote Town. Di kanny oh

9:29pm Wed 29 Jan 14

Oxon-Red says...

smirg kcab wrote:
avo wrote:
Grim - thanks for that link, I really enjoyed reading the interview. Some good insightful stuff from the chairman.
.
There was some debate the other day as to whether Reckford could play CB and according to the chairman he can.
.
Interesting too that he openly admits that the Tottenham link is just as much about developing their players for them as it is about bringing in some quality to help us out. Nothing surprising there, but nothing to be pessimistic about either. He also alluded to building stronger links with Liverpool, and was keen to state that this is where his own strengths lie, in building relationships with other clubs, for a mutual benefit to both. Again, nothing new there, just a reinforcement of his intentions. Why on earth some feel the need to question his intentions at this stage is beyond me. Give the guy a chance to stand true to his word.
Ok no problems avo.
That answers a lot about Navarro, surprised it hasn't been mentioned on here before, saying that they don't tell morshead anything anymore.
So he's retired through Injury and seeking compo. One of the biggest waste of spaces the town has ever had, talking about milking it?
Grim,

I got the impression that Navarro was looking to get a payout from his insurance as his career is over. The compensation maybe a compromise between club and him for the wages we would have to pay him until his contract expires.

I suspect LP is looking to save some of the wages we would have to pay him by giving him a one-off payment and this amount may be dependant on the insurance he receives.

He has turned out to be a bad signing due to his injuries but that is not his fault and he is entitled to the money. I think we should question the decision to give a known injury prone player a 2 year contract.

COYMR
[quote][p][bold]smirg kcab[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]avo[/bold] wrote: Grim - thanks for that link, I really enjoyed reading the interview. Some good insightful stuff from the chairman. . There was some debate the other day as to whether Reckford could play CB and according to the chairman he can. . Interesting too that he openly admits that the Tottenham link is just as much about developing their players for them as it is about bringing in some quality to help us out. Nothing surprising there, but nothing to be pessimistic about either. He also alluded to building stronger links with Liverpool, and was keen to state that this is where his own strengths lie, in building relationships with other clubs, for a mutual benefit to both. Again, nothing new there, just a reinforcement of his intentions. Why on earth some feel the need to question his intentions at this stage is beyond me. Give the guy a chance to stand true to his word.[/p][/quote]Ok no problems avo. That answers a lot about Navarro, surprised it hasn't been mentioned on here before, saying that they don't tell morshead anything anymore. So he's retired through Injury and seeking compo. One of the biggest waste of spaces the town has ever had, talking about milking it?[/p][/quote]Grim, I got the impression that Navarro was looking to get a payout from his insurance as his career is over. The compensation maybe a compromise between club and him for the wages we would have to pay him until his contract expires. I suspect LP is looking to save some of the wages we would have to pay him by giving him a one-off payment and this amount may be dependant on the insurance he receives. He has turned out to be a bad signing due to his injuries but that is not his fault and he is entitled to the money. I think we should question the decision to give a known injury prone player a 2 year contract. COYMR Oxon-Red

9:51pm Wed 29 Jan 14

Oxon-Red says...

Di kanny oh wrote:
smirg kcab wrote:
avo wrote:
Grim - thanks for that link, I really enjoyed reading the interview. Some good insightful stuff from the chairman.
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There was some debate the other day as to whether Reckford could play CB and according to the chairman he can.
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Interesting too that he openly admits that the Tottenham link is just as much about developing their players for them as it is about bringing in some quality to help us out. Nothing surprising there, but nothing to be pessimistic about either. He also alluded to building stronger links with Liverpool, and was keen to state that this is where his own strengths lie, in building relationships with other clubs, for a mutual benefit to both. Again, nothing new there, just a reinforcement of his intentions. Why on earth some feel the need to question his intentions at this stage is beyond me. Give the guy a chance to stand true to his word.
Ok no problems avo.
That answers a lot about Navarro, surprised it hasn't been mentioned on here before, saying that they don't tell morshead anything anymore.
So he's retired through Injury and seeking compo. One of the biggest waste of spaces the town has ever had, talking about milking it?
Yes Grim great reading that is. What a signing this Agomar was hey broken leg I do not remember that happening or have I missed that. We seem to have such bad luck with players to be honest Tigane, Smith, Troy Arch, Oakley, Navaro, Cox, and now this Agomar who was one of Jeds signings I think. May be we should rename our club Sicknote Town.
Injuries happen in football unfortunately but with Troy, Smith and Reis looking close to being fit and getting back into contention for a place in the starting eleven it is like signing 3 new players.

Haven't seen enough of any of them to judge them fairly but Smith was having a superb match at QPR before his injury so maybe with the other Smith they are all we need to see the season out. Whether that will see us in the play-offs, I don't believe it will, but we have a chance.

I don't know if we can use JPT Final money to boost funds for the season but should we get through and results see us in with a real chance maybe we could see that potential money invested in a couple of big loan signings. Just get a feeling that February could be a big month for us.

COYMR
[quote][p][bold]Di kanny oh[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]smirg kcab[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]avo[/bold] wrote: Grim - thanks for that link, I really enjoyed reading the interview. Some good insightful stuff from the chairman. . There was some debate the other day as to whether Reckford could play CB and according to the chairman he can. . Interesting too that he openly admits that the Tottenham link is just as much about developing their players for them as it is about bringing in some quality to help us out. Nothing surprising there, but nothing to be pessimistic about either. He also alluded to building stronger links with Liverpool, and was keen to state that this is where his own strengths lie, in building relationships with other clubs, for a mutual benefit to both. Again, nothing new there, just a reinforcement of his intentions. Why on earth some feel the need to question his intentions at this stage is beyond me. Give the guy a chance to stand true to his word.[/p][/quote]Ok no problems avo. That answers a lot about Navarro, surprised it hasn't been mentioned on here before, saying that they don't tell morshead anything anymore. So he's retired through Injury and seeking compo. One of the biggest waste of spaces the town has ever had, talking about milking it?[/p][/quote]Yes Grim great reading that is. What a signing this Agomar was hey broken leg I do not remember that happening or have I missed that. We seem to have such bad luck with players to be honest Tigane, Smith, Troy Arch, Oakley, Navaro, Cox, and now this Agomar who was one of Jeds signings I think. May be we should rename our club Sicknote Town.[/p][/quote]Injuries happen in football unfortunately but with Troy, Smith and Reis looking close to being fit and getting back into contention for a place in the starting eleven it is like signing 3 new players. Haven't seen enough of any of them to judge them fairly but Smith was having a superb match at QPR before his injury so maybe with the other Smith they are all we need to see the season out. Whether that will see us in the play-offs, I don't believe it will, but we have a chance. I don't know if we can use JPT Final money to boost funds for the season but should we get through and results see us in with a real chance maybe we could see that potential money invested in a couple of big loan signings. Just get a feeling that February could be a big month for us. COYMR Oxon-Red

10:07pm Wed 29 Jan 14

Oxon-Red says...

Oi Den! wrote:
LR, sorry - just one more comment on this. I think we have different interpretations of the word "core". To me it means a solid group that we can build the team around. I'm not saying the players I named are the only ones who are any good, just that they represent the core because they are the ones who consistently give everything. I would be more sorry to lose them than any of the others.
Den,

I have a slight problem with this "give everything" statement you keep using. I suspect you hold Sir Don as one player you admire but could you really put him in the "give everything" bracket. Match winner definitely but not one that have everything in the true sense I believe you are aluding to.

I think player's personae are different and give the impression they are not giving 100% when they are. Compare McCormack and Douglas, one gritty the other more cultured, one had to work hard the other not so much but both IMO gave 100%. Ferry and Luongo, I'll leave this one to you, I really liked Simon but I think Massa is the better player.

COYMR
[quote][p][bold]Oi Den![/bold] wrote: LR, sorry - just one more comment on this. I think we have different interpretations of the word "core". To me it means a solid group that we can build the team around. I'm not saying the players I named are the only ones who are any good, just that they represent the core because they are the ones who consistently give everything. I would be more sorry to lose them than any of the others.[/p][/quote]Den, I have a slight problem with this "give everything" statement you keep using. I suspect you hold Sir Don as one player you admire but could you really put him in the "give everything" bracket. Match winner definitely but not one that have everything in the true sense I believe you are aluding to. I think player's personae are different and give the impression they are not giving 100% when they are. Compare McCormack and Douglas, one gritty the other more cultured, one had to work hard the other not so much but both IMO gave 100%. Ferry and Luongo, I'll leave this one to you, I really liked Simon but I think Massa is the better player. COYMR Oxon-Red

10:38pm Wed 29 Jan 14

Oi Den! says...

Oxon, I accept your point of course but Don Rogers was such an exceptional talent that he would often make a vast contribution without having a great deal of involvement in a game. I don't think that could be said of any of the current Town players, even the mercurial Ranger. Also the game is a lot more athletic now than it was in the 60s and 70s. Orthodox wingers could hug the touchline for an entire game and nobody would complain. Nowadays everyone has to be in the mix, playing a more all round game. I'm not saying I like it but that's the way it is.

I really can't see why young, fit, well paid footballers cannot run their arses off from the first whistle start to the last. It seems to me to be a small price to pay for doing something most of us can only dream of.

I completely agree about Luongo. I've said from the start that he's a better player than Ferry but, like some of his colleagues, he has a tendency to disappear. As I said to LR, this lack of presence in midfield is costing us a lot of points.
Oxon, I accept your point of course but Don Rogers was such an exceptional talent that he would often make a vast contribution without having a great deal of involvement in a game. I don't think that could be said of any of the current Town players, even the mercurial Ranger. Also the game is a lot more athletic now than it was in the 60s and 70s. Orthodox wingers could hug the touchline for an entire game and nobody would complain. Nowadays everyone has to be in the mix, playing a more all round game. I'm not saying I like it but that's the way it is. I really can't see why young, fit, well paid footballers cannot run their arses off from the first whistle start to the last. It seems to me to be a small price to pay for doing something most of us can only dream of. I completely agree about Luongo. I've said from the start that he's a better player than Ferry but, like some of his colleagues, he has a tendency to disappear. As I said to LR, this lack of presence in midfield is costing us a lot of points. Oi Den!

11:08pm Wed 29 Jan 14

Oxon-Red says...

Oi Den! wrote:
Oxon, I accept your point of course but Don Rogers was such an exceptional talent that he would often make a vast contribution without having a great deal of involvement in a game. I don't think that could be said of any of the current Town players, even the mercurial Ranger. Also the game is a lot more athletic now than it was in the 60s and 70s. Orthodox wingers could hug the touchline for an entire game and nobody would complain. Nowadays everyone has to be in the mix, playing a more all round game. I'm not saying I like it but that's the way it is.

I really can't see why young, fit, well paid footballers cannot run their arses off from the first whistle start to the last. It seems to me to be a small price to pay for doing something most of us can only dream of.

I completely agree about Luongo. I've said from the start that he's a better player than Ferry but, like some of his colleagues, he has a tendency to disappear. As I said to LR, this lack of presence in midfield is costing us a lot of points.
Den, I agree that more is now expected of players but some could run up and down the field all match and not touch the ball, he has put effort in but contributed nothing. Sir Don could stand on the halfway line wait for the ball to come to him and win the match for the team.

I think sometimes it is people's impression of players. McCormack had to work a lot harder than Douglas, Ferry had to work a lot harder than Massa yet all four contributed, IMO, as much as their comparitive.

Many have a go at Pritchard as being lightweight, well they got the lightweight bit right, but (and I have only seen him at home) he is very clever when he challenges for the ball. He is not capable of putting in a Flint type challenge and would probably come off second best if he tried but often comes away with the ball usually in a decent position.

I think this 100% get stuck in play was installed in us by Paolo and we have come to expect it. Those that could not follow this line were treated badly and possibly the best example was Luke Rooney.

COYMR
[quote][p][bold]Oi Den![/bold] wrote: Oxon, I accept your point of course but Don Rogers was such an exceptional talent that he would often make a vast contribution without having a great deal of involvement in a game. I don't think that could be said of any of the current Town players, even the mercurial Ranger. Also the game is a lot more athletic now than it was in the 60s and 70s. Orthodox wingers could hug the touchline for an entire game and nobody would complain. Nowadays everyone has to be in the mix, playing a more all round game. I'm not saying I like it but that's the way it is. I really can't see why young, fit, well paid footballers cannot run their arses off from the first whistle start to the last. It seems to me to be a small price to pay for doing something most of us can only dream of. I completely agree about Luongo. I've said from the start that he's a better player than Ferry but, like some of his colleagues, he has a tendency to disappear. As I said to LR, this lack of presence in midfield is costing us a lot of points.[/p][/quote]Den, I agree that more is now expected of players but some could run up and down the field all match and not touch the ball, he has put effort in but contributed nothing. Sir Don could stand on the halfway line wait for the ball to come to him and win the match for the team. I think sometimes it is people's impression of players. McCormack had to work a lot harder than Douglas, Ferry had to work a lot harder than Massa yet all four contributed, IMO, as much as their comparitive. Many have a go at Pritchard as being lightweight, well they got the lightweight bit right, but (and I have only seen him at home) he is very clever when he challenges for the ball. He is not capable of putting in a Flint type challenge and would probably come off second best if he tried but often comes away with the ball usually in a decent position. I think this 100% get stuck in play was installed in us by Paolo and we have come to expect it. Those that could not follow this line were treated badly and possibly the best example was Luke Rooney. COYMR Oxon-Red

11:39pm Wed 29 Jan 14

The Jockster says...

Oxon pardon me for sticking my five penneth in. I think we all agree we need a bite yer legs midfielder or two. Undoubtedly IMO we have lost too many games by surrendering the midfield and been unable to feed the front men. This then puts more pressure on the defence. I do concede that our playing style doesn't help at times.
Both Macca and Ferry were tigerish in the tackle whereas I think Douglas and Luongo are similar?
Pritchard to me is a bit of an enigma- hugely talented but his slight build goes against him and I can see where Den is coming from with his commitment argument. Now on Saturday I thought he was excellent terrier like hassling and harrying but last night a little less so - silly foul got booked and pulled off before he got sent off. All that said he'd be one of the first on my team sheet. I just wish he'd niggle a bit more even if he is likely to get flattened lol!
Oxon pardon me for sticking my five penneth in. I think we all agree we need a bite yer legs midfielder or two. Undoubtedly IMO we have lost too many games by surrendering the midfield and been unable to feed the front men. This then puts more pressure on the defence. I do concede that our playing style doesn't help at times. Both Macca and Ferry were tigerish in the tackle whereas I think Douglas and Luongo are similar? Pritchard to me is a bit of an enigma- hugely talented but his slight build goes against him and I can see where Den is coming from with his commitment argument. Now on Saturday I thought he was excellent terrier like hassling and harrying but last night a little less so - silly foul got booked and pulled off before he got sent off. All that said he'd be one of the first on my team sheet. I just wish he'd niggle a bit more even if he is likely to get flattened lol! The Jockster

12:04am Thu 30 Jan 14

Wilesy says...

Oxon-Red wrote:
Oi Den! wrote:
Oxon, I accept your point of course but Don Rogers was such an exceptional talent that he would often make a vast contribution without having a great deal of involvement in a game. I don't think that could be said of any of the current Town players, even the mercurial Ranger. Also the game is a lot more athletic now than it was in the 60s and 70s. Orthodox wingers could hug the touchline for an entire game and nobody would complain. Nowadays everyone has to be in the mix, playing a more all round game. I'm not saying I like it but that's the way it is.

I really can't see why young, fit, well paid footballers cannot run their arses off from the first whistle start to the last. It seems to me to be a small price to pay for doing something most of us can only dream of.

I completely agree about Luongo. I've said from the start that he's a better player than Ferry but, like some of his colleagues, he has a tendency to disappear. As I said to LR, this lack of presence in midfield is costing us a lot of points.
Den, I agree that more is now expected of players but some could run up and down the field all match and not touch the ball, he has put effort in but contributed nothing. Sir Don could stand on the halfway line wait for the ball to come to him and win the match for the team.

I think sometimes it is people's impression of players. McCormack had to work a lot harder than Douglas, Ferry had to work a lot harder than Massa yet all four contributed, IMO, as much as their comparitive.

Many have a go at Pritchard as being lightweight, well they got the lightweight bit right, but (and I have only seen him at home) he is very clever when he challenges for the ball. He is not capable of putting in a Flint type challenge and would probably come off second best if he tried but often comes away with the ball usually in a decent position.

I think this 100% get stuck in play was installed in us by Paolo and we have come to expect it. Those that could not follow this line were treated badly and possibly the best example was Luke Rooney.

COYMR
Agree and disagree with both of you to some extent. I wasn't born when Don Rogers was playing so can't comment on that but sounds not dissimilar to Duncan Shearer in not being involved but popping up with the winner who I did see a lot of.

All I would add to it is that you need a mix of players in your team and some will be workhorses, some will be flair players, some quick, some steady, some big and some small. The four midfielders all have different strengths and weaknesses so would compliment each other well imo. The problem at the moment is we have so many similar players you could play Mason, Luongo, Kasim and Harley in the attacking midfield role, but not one of them is great at the defensive midfield role imo. Luongo is trying but is wasted there his game is creating. Louis can and is improving with every game but is not yet the finished article.

I've always expected a player to put in 100% in their area of play and try to win their personal battles regardless of ability. If an attacking player has exceptional match winning talent in my eyes that does cut them some slack providing they do win the match regularly but we don't have any of them in the side. Mason and Pritchard to pick out two are undoubtedly very talented and have won us games yes but they have not yet done so consistently enough to be classed as an exceptional talent. When the magic isn't happening in a game at the least I expect to see them work hard on the pitch. Certainly that's what players in the successful teams do.

Regarding Pritchard of course we can't expect him to put in booming Flint tackles or take the lot headers, but equally you couldn't expect Flint to pop do a wonder dribble past 5 players and reverse pass the ball into the net like Pritchard did at Bradford.
[quote][p][bold]Oxon-Red[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Oi Den![/bold] wrote: Oxon, I accept your point of course but Don Rogers was such an exceptional talent that he would often make a vast contribution without having a great deal of involvement in a game. I don't think that could be said of any of the current Town players, even the mercurial Ranger. Also the game is a lot more athletic now than it was in the 60s and 70s. Orthodox wingers could hug the touchline for an entire game and nobody would complain. Nowadays everyone has to be in the mix, playing a more all round game. I'm not saying I like it but that's the way it is. I really can't see why young, fit, well paid footballers cannot run their arses off from the first whistle start to the last. It seems to me to be a small price to pay for doing something most of us can only dream of. I completely agree about Luongo. I've said from the start that he's a better player than Ferry but, like some of his colleagues, he has a tendency to disappear. As I said to LR, this lack of presence in midfield is costing us a lot of points.[/p][/quote]Den, I agree that more is now expected of players but some could run up and down the field all match and not touch the ball, he has put effort in but contributed nothing. Sir Don could stand on the halfway line wait for the ball to come to him and win the match for the team. I think sometimes it is people's impression of players. McCormack had to work a lot harder than Douglas, Ferry had to work a lot harder than Massa yet all four contributed, IMO, as much as their comparitive. Many have a go at Pritchard as being lightweight, well they got the lightweight bit right, but (and I have only seen him at home) he is very clever when he challenges for the ball. He is not capable of putting in a Flint type challenge and would probably come off second best if he tried but often comes away with the ball usually in a decent position. I think this 100% get stuck in play was installed in us by Paolo and we have come to expect it. Those that could not follow this line were treated badly and possibly the best example was Luke Rooney. COYMR[/p][/quote]Agree and disagree with both of you to some extent. I wasn't born when Don Rogers was playing so can't comment on that but sounds not dissimilar to Duncan Shearer in not being involved but popping up with the winner who I did see a lot of. All I would add to it is that you need a mix of players in your team and some will be workhorses, some will be flair players, some quick, some steady, some big and some small. The four midfielders all have different strengths and weaknesses so would compliment each other well imo. The problem at the moment is we have so many similar players you could play Mason, Luongo, Kasim and Harley in the attacking midfield role, but not one of them is great at the defensive midfield role imo. Luongo is trying but is wasted there his game is creating. Louis can and is improving with every game but is not yet the finished article. I've always expected a player to put in 100% in their area of play and try to win their personal battles regardless of ability. If an attacking player has exceptional match winning talent in my eyes that does cut them some slack providing they do win the match regularly but we don't have any of them in the side. Mason and Pritchard to pick out two are undoubtedly very talented and have won us games yes but they have not yet done so consistently enough to be classed as an exceptional talent. When the magic isn't happening in a game at the least I expect to see them work hard on the pitch. Certainly that's what players in the successful teams do. Regarding Pritchard of course we can't expect him to put in booming Flint tackles or take the lot headers, but equally you couldn't expect Flint to pop do a wonder dribble past 5 players and reverse pass the ball into the net like Pritchard did at Bradford. Wilesy

12:09am Thu 30 Jan 14

Oxon-Red says...

The Jockster wrote:
Oxon pardon me for sticking my five penneth in. I think we all agree we need a bite yer legs midfielder or two. Undoubtedly IMO we have lost too many games by surrendering the midfield and been unable to feed the front men. This then puts more pressure on the defence. I do concede that our playing style doesn't help at times.
Both Macca and Ferry were tigerish in the tackle whereas I think Douglas and Luongo are similar?
Pritchard to me is a bit of an enigma- hugely talented but his slight build goes against him and I can see where Den is coming from with his commitment argument. Now on Saturday I thought he was excellent terrier like hassling and harrying but last night a little less so - silly foul got booked and pulled off before he got sent off. All that said he'd be one of the first on my team sheet. I just wish he'd niggle a bit more even if he is likely to get flattened lol!
Jockster, I wouldn't disagree about the need for a stronger player in midfield but i think some (not you or Den) believe that if you don't fletten a player when making a challenge you are not trying.

I admit that I have only seen Pritchard at home and he is always snappping away. Perhaps he doesn't do this so much away, hands up I don't know, but I do think he is very clever at winning the ball and then retaining possession.

Sometimes a full-blooded challenge breaks up an attack but rarely breaks it up and retains possesion so you can take advantage. I just think sometimes a clever interception without going in Flint style is forgotten if it works but criticised if it doesn't and the player as a result is accused of not putting the effort in.

It is not easy to explain but you would never have seen Don Rogers putting in a McCormack type challenge, he would be more subtle because he knew if he won the ball he could create or score.

COYMR
[quote][p][bold]The Jockster[/bold] wrote: Oxon pardon me for sticking my five penneth in. I think we all agree we need a bite yer legs midfielder or two. Undoubtedly IMO we have lost too many games by surrendering the midfield and been unable to feed the front men. This then puts more pressure on the defence. I do concede that our playing style doesn't help at times. Both Macca and Ferry were tigerish in the tackle whereas I think Douglas and Luongo are similar? Pritchard to me is a bit of an enigma- hugely talented but his slight build goes against him and I can see where Den is coming from with his commitment argument. Now on Saturday I thought he was excellent terrier like hassling and harrying but last night a little less so - silly foul got booked and pulled off before he got sent off. All that said he'd be one of the first on my team sheet. I just wish he'd niggle a bit more even if he is likely to get flattened lol![/p][/quote]Jockster, I wouldn't disagree about the need for a stronger player in midfield but i think some (not you or Den) believe that if you don't fletten a player when making a challenge you are not trying. I admit that I have only seen Pritchard at home and he is always snappping away. Perhaps he doesn't do this so much away, hands up I don't know, but I do think he is very clever at winning the ball and then retaining possession. Sometimes a full-blooded challenge breaks up an attack but rarely breaks it up and retains possesion so you can take advantage. I just think sometimes a clever interception without going in Flint style is forgotten if it works but criticised if it doesn't and the player as a result is accused of not putting the effort in. It is not easy to explain but you would never have seen Don Rogers putting in a McCormack type challenge, he would be more subtle because he knew if he won the ball he could create or score. COYMR Oxon-Red

12:18am Thu 30 Jan 14

Wilesy says...

Also in terms of the four midfielders named above I think Macca Ferry and Douglas have added dimensions to their games over our current group. For example

Ferry - box to box, reads the game well and passes the ball well.
Douglas - experienced, excellent passer, wins headers
Macca - experienced, good defensive game, great tackler, wins headers

Compare this to
Luongo - good dribbler, great passer
Mason - good dribbler, great passer
Harley - great passer, 2 footed, experienced
Kasim - good passer and reads the game well
Pritchard - good dribbler, great passer
Louis - good tackler, energetic

When you look at it like that the 'old ones' are better and the 'current ones' have to improve in areas. Luongo improving on his defensive game and getting box to box, Louis improving in his reading of the game, not sure the others are improving too much although Kasim has bagged a couple of goals so is maybe improving his attacking game.
Also in terms of the four midfielders named above I think Macca Ferry and Douglas have added dimensions to their games over our current group. For example Ferry - box to box, reads the game well and passes the ball well. Douglas - experienced, excellent passer, wins headers Macca - experienced, good defensive game, great tackler, wins headers Compare this to Luongo - good dribbler, great passer Mason - good dribbler, great passer Harley - great passer, 2 footed, experienced Kasim - good passer and reads the game well Pritchard - good dribbler, great passer Louis - good tackler, energetic When you look at it like that the 'old ones' are better and the 'current ones' have to improve in areas. Luongo improving on his defensive game and getting box to box, Louis improving in his reading of the game, not sure the others are improving too much although Kasim has bagged a couple of goals so is maybe improving his attacking game. Wilesy

8:55am Thu 30 Jan 14

old town robin says...

Wilesy wrote:
Also in terms of the four midfielders named above I think Macca Ferry and Douglas have added dimensions to their games over our current group. For example

Ferry - box to box, reads the game well and passes the ball well.
Douglas - experienced, excellent passer, wins headers
Macca - experienced, good defensive game, great tackler, wins headers

Compare this to
Luongo - good dribbler, great passer
Mason - good dribbler, great passer
Harley - great passer, 2 footed, experienced
Kasim - good passer and reads the game well
Pritchard - good dribbler, great passer
Louis - good tackler, energetic

When you look at it like that the 'old ones' are better and the 'current ones' have to improve in areas. Luongo improving on his defensive game and getting box to box, Louis improving in his reading of the game, not sure the others are improving too much although Kasim has bagged a couple of goals so is maybe improving his attacking game.
Wilsey, Good post and probably many will agree with you, but I don't see Lusngo as a great passer, in fact I would be surprised if he finds a red shirt 50% of the time, he's an individual who likes to run with the ball and shoot from anywhere, even when his chance of scoring is not on. I have only seen him at home but from what I've seen in every home fixture he hardly ever looks for a team mate in a better position, doesn't seem to understand what switching play means when totally ignoring a player out wide like Pritch or even as was reported Tuesday Ranger when he has created space for himself.

I personally would have Ferry every time before Luango mainly for his hard work getting in the face of opponents, his box to box energy, rarely got caught in possession, always looking to get the ball forward with slick passing, especially with the Ritchie and Caddis combo and even added a couple of goals to his game last season. In short Ferry is a team player, Luango is not.

i was giving some though earlier this week who in the team has the best percentage of passes complete, goal assist and tackles complete. probably nobody would top the list for all 3 disciplines, but I would guess Kasim and Ranger would probably both score high
[quote][p][bold]Wilesy[/bold] wrote: Also in terms of the four midfielders named above I think Macca Ferry and Douglas have added dimensions to their games over our current group. For example Ferry - box to box, reads the game well and passes the ball well. Douglas - experienced, excellent passer, wins headers Macca - experienced, good defensive game, great tackler, wins headers Compare this to Luongo - good dribbler, great passer Mason - good dribbler, great passer Harley - great passer, 2 footed, experienced Kasim - good passer and reads the game well Pritchard - good dribbler, great passer Louis - good tackler, energetic When you look at it like that the 'old ones' are better and the 'current ones' have to improve in areas. Luongo improving on his defensive game and getting box to box, Louis improving in his reading of the game, not sure the others are improving too much although Kasim has bagged a couple of goals so is maybe improving his attacking game.[/p][/quote]Wilsey, Good post and probably many will agree with you, but I don't see Lusngo as a great passer, in fact I would be surprised if he finds a red shirt 50% of the time, he's an individual who likes to run with the ball and shoot from anywhere, even when his chance of scoring is not on. I have only seen him at home but from what I've seen in every home fixture he hardly ever looks for a team mate in a better position, doesn't seem to understand what switching play means when totally ignoring a player out wide like Pritch or even as was reported Tuesday Ranger when he has created space for himself. I personally would have Ferry every time before Luango mainly for his hard work getting in the face of opponents, his box to box energy, rarely got caught in possession, always looking to get the ball forward with slick passing, especially with the Ritchie and Caddis combo and even added a couple of goals to his game last season. In short Ferry is a team player, Luango is not. i was giving some though earlier this week who in the team has the best percentage of passes complete, goal assist and tackles complete. probably nobody would top the list for all 3 disciplines, but I would guess Kasim and Ranger would probably both score high old town robin

9:36am Thu 30 Jan 14

Wilesy says...

old town robin wrote:
Wilesy wrote:
Also in terms of the four midfielders named above I think Macca Ferry and Douglas have added dimensions to their games over our current group. For example

Ferry - box to box, reads the game well and passes the ball well.
Douglas - experienced, excellent passer, wins headers
Macca - experienced, good defensive game, great tackler, wins headers

Compare this to
Luongo - good dribbler, great passer
Mason - good dribbler, great passer
Harley - great passer, 2 footed, experienced
Kasim - good passer and reads the game well
Pritchard - good dribbler, great passer
Louis - good tackler, energetic

When you look at it like that the 'old ones' are better and the 'current ones' have to improve in areas. Luongo improving on his defensive game and getting box to box, Louis improving in his reading of the game, not sure the others are improving too much although Kasim has bagged a couple of goals so is maybe improving his attacking game.
Wilsey, Good post and probably many will agree with you, but I don't see Lusngo as a great passer, in fact I would be surprised if he finds a red shirt 50% of the time, he's an individual who likes to run with the ball and shoot from anywhere, even when his chance of scoring is not on. I have only seen him at home but from what I've seen in every home fixture he hardly ever looks for a team mate in a better position, doesn't seem to understand what switching play means when totally ignoring a player out wide like Pritch or even as was reported Tuesday Ranger when he has created space for himself.

I personally would have Ferry every time before Luango mainly for his hard work getting in the face of opponents, his box to box energy, rarely got caught in possession, always looking to get the ball forward with slick passing, especially with the Ritchie and Caddis combo and even added a couple of goals to his game last season. In short Ferry is a team player, Luango is not.

i was giving some though earlier this week who in the team has the best percentage of passes complete, goal assist and tackles complete. probably nobody would top the list for all 3 disciplines, but I would guess Kasim and Ranger would probably both score high
Hi OTR fair point on Luongo being greedy but I do think he's a good passer, both long and short. Difficult to call on who is the best passer as it's the area they are all best at, it's the other areas that are lacking. Ranger is the best target man I've seen in ages he holds the ball so well and lays it off 99% of the time. Kasim rarely gives it away but mainly easy 5 yard passes in our half, he doesn't create an awful lot imo.
[quote][p][bold]old town robin[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Wilesy[/bold] wrote: Also in terms of the four midfielders named above I think Macca Ferry and Douglas have added dimensions to their games over our current group. For example Ferry - box to box, reads the game well and passes the ball well. Douglas - experienced, excellent passer, wins headers Macca - experienced, good defensive game, great tackler, wins headers Compare this to Luongo - good dribbler, great passer Mason - good dribbler, great passer Harley - great passer, 2 footed, experienced Kasim - good passer and reads the game well Pritchard - good dribbler, great passer Louis - good tackler, energetic When you look at it like that the 'old ones' are better and the 'current ones' have to improve in areas. Luongo improving on his defensive game and getting box to box, Louis improving in his reading of the game, not sure the others are improving too much although Kasim has bagged a couple of goals so is maybe improving his attacking game.[/p][/quote]Wilsey, Good post and probably many will agree with you, but I don't see Lusngo as a great passer, in fact I would be surprised if he finds a red shirt 50% of the time, he's an individual who likes to run with the ball and shoot from anywhere, even when his chance of scoring is not on. I have only seen him at home but from what I've seen in every home fixture he hardly ever looks for a team mate in a better position, doesn't seem to understand what switching play means when totally ignoring a player out wide like Pritch or even as was reported Tuesday Ranger when he has created space for himself. I personally would have Ferry every time before Luango mainly for his hard work getting in the face of opponents, his box to box energy, rarely got caught in possession, always looking to get the ball forward with slick passing, especially with the Ritchie and Caddis combo and even added a couple of goals to his game last season. In short Ferry is a team player, Luango is not. i was giving some though earlier this week who in the team has the best percentage of passes complete, goal assist and tackles complete. probably nobody would top the list for all 3 disciplines, but I would guess Kasim and Ranger would probably both score high[/p][/quote]Hi OTR fair point on Luongo being greedy but I do think he's a good passer, both long and short. Difficult to call on who is the best passer as it's the area they are all best at, it's the other areas that are lacking. Ranger is the best target man I've seen in ages he holds the ball so well and lays it off 99% of the time. Kasim rarely gives it away but mainly easy 5 yard passes in our half, he doesn't create an awful lot imo. Wilesy

9:47am Thu 30 Jan 14

old town robin says...

Wilesy wrote:
old town robin wrote:
Wilesy wrote:
Also in terms of the four midfielders named above I think Macca Ferry and Douglas have added dimensions to their games over our current group. For example

Ferry - box to box, reads the game well and passes the ball well.
Douglas - experienced, excellent passer, wins headers
Macca - experienced, good defensive game, great tackler, wins headers

Compare this to
Luongo - good dribbler, great passer
Mason - good dribbler, great passer
Harley - great passer, 2 footed, experienced
Kasim - good passer and reads the game well
Pritchard - good dribbler, great passer
Louis - good tackler, energetic

When you look at it like that the 'old ones' are better and the 'current ones' have to improve in areas. Luongo improving on his defensive game and getting box to box, Louis improving in his reading of the game, not sure the others are improving too much although Kasim has bagged a couple of goals so is maybe improving his attacking game.
Wilsey, Good post and probably many will agree with you, but I don't see Lusngo as a great passer, in fact I would be surprised if he finds a red shirt 50% of the time, he's an individual who likes to run with the ball and shoot from anywhere, even when his chance of scoring is not on. I have only seen him at home but from what I've seen in every home fixture he hardly ever looks for a team mate in a better position, doesn't seem to understand what switching play means when totally ignoring a player out wide like Pritch or even as was reported Tuesday Ranger when he has created space for himself.

I personally would have Ferry every time before Luango mainly for his hard work getting in the face of opponents, his box to box energy, rarely got caught in possession, always looking to get the ball forward with slick passing, especially with the Ritchie and Caddis combo and even added a couple of goals to his game last season. In short Ferry is a team player, Luango is not.

i was giving some though earlier this week who in the team has the best percentage of passes complete, goal assist and tackles complete. probably nobody would top the list for all 3 disciplines, but I would guess Kasim and Ranger would probably both score high
Hi OTR fair point on Luongo being greedy but I do think he's a good passer, both long and short. Difficult to call on who is the best passer as it's the area they are all best at, it's the other areas that are lacking. Ranger is the best target man I've seen in ages he holds the ball so well and lays it off 99% of the time. Kasim rarely gives it away but mainly easy 5 yard passes in our half, he doesn't create an awful lot imo.
Fair comment Wilsey, think we both agree 4 out of 5 of the midfielders we have are too similar in style and Thommo still has a bit to do to prove himself. If only we had a Bryan Robson or Graham Soeness in our midfield, lol, both leaders and took no prisoners.
[quote][p][bold]Wilesy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]old town robin[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Wilesy[/bold] wrote: Also in terms of the four midfielders named above I think Macca Ferry and Douglas have added dimensions to their games over our current group. For example Ferry - box to box, reads the game well and passes the ball well. Douglas - experienced, excellent passer, wins headers Macca - experienced, good defensive game, great tackler, wins headers Compare this to Luongo - good dribbler, great passer Mason - good dribbler, great passer Harley - great passer, 2 footed, experienced Kasim - good passer and reads the game well Pritchard - good dribbler, great passer Louis - good tackler, energetic When you look at it like that the 'old ones' are better and the 'current ones' have to improve in areas. Luongo improving on his defensive game and getting box to box, Louis improving in his reading of the game, not sure the others are improving too much although Kasim has bagged a couple of goals so is maybe improving his attacking game.[/p][/quote]Wilsey, Good post and probably many will agree with you, but I don't see Lusngo as a great passer, in fact I would be surprised if he finds a red shirt 50% of the time, he's an individual who likes to run with the ball and shoot from anywhere, even when his chance of scoring is not on. I have only seen him at home but from what I've seen in every home fixture he hardly ever looks for a team mate in a better position, doesn't seem to understand what switching play means when totally ignoring a player out wide like Pritch or even as was reported Tuesday Ranger when he has created space for himself. I personally would have Ferry every time before Luango mainly for his hard work getting in the face of opponents, his box to box energy, rarely got caught in possession, always looking to get the ball forward with slick passing, especially with the Ritchie and Caddis combo and even added a couple of goals to his game last season. In short Ferry is a team player, Luango is not. i was giving some though earlier this week who in the team has the best percentage of passes complete, goal assist and tackles complete. probably nobody would top the list for all 3 disciplines, but I would guess Kasim and Ranger would probably both score high[/p][/quote]Hi OTR fair point on Luongo being greedy but I do think he's a good passer, both long and short. Difficult to call on who is the best passer as it's the area they are all best at, it's the other areas that are lacking. Ranger is the best target man I've seen in ages he holds the ball so well and lays it off 99% of the time. Kasim rarely gives it away but mainly easy 5 yard passes in our half, he doesn't create an awful lot imo.[/p][/quote]Fair comment Wilsey, think we both agree 4 out of 5 of the midfielders we have are too similar in style and Thommo still has a bit to do to prove himself. If only we had a Bryan Robson or Graham Soeness in our midfield, lol, both leaders and took no prisoners. old town robin

10:19am Thu 30 Jan 14

London Red says...

I think the main point missing from all of this discussion is - expereince!
.
Players get better with age and games - that is a simple fact of football!
.
Lets take the best player in the bottom 2 division in 2013 - Matt Ritchie
.
"lead boots" and "desperation signing" were commonly used to describe Matt when he first arrived
.
He was a young inexperienced 21 year old - who blew hot and cold - sound familiar?
.
However, through coaching and more importantly games he got better and better and became a star who was named the first player ever to be named player of the year in 2 divisions in 2 seasons!
.
What is ironic is Den even pointed this out to smirg when he called Pritchard a poor mans Ritchie - yet is now slating our current crop!
.
Lets not forget that all these players are only 19-21 playing their first full seasons - so are exactly like the young Matt Ritchie we first saw
.
Now whos to say if in 3 years time Luongo for example doesn't develop at a similar rate and becomes and absolute star of a midfielder?????
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Also if you take of the rose tined glasses - lets not forget that Douglas was one of the worst players ever to wear the red shirt the year we went down! A total disgrace who spent more time in the boozer than the training pitch! he was also the ring leader in leading the rest astray!
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Macca played loads of games in defence as not seen as a natural midfileder and most on here would not have picked him in midfield over Ferry/Hollands!
.
Ferry was also dropped and over looked by 4 consecutive managers - why did they all do that? He's hardly setting L2 alight at the moment!
.
Yes we need bite - everyone can see that - and for me Wilesy hit the nail on the head that our players are too similar and we need a bit variety
.
That doesn't me get shot of them as we need competition and cover etc
.
For me it should be Luongo or Kasim in one role (box-to-box), Harley or Mason in one role (attacking - in the "hole") and Louis T or a new general in the 3rd spot (hholding - the "bite")
.
However as we don't have that at present it is falling to Kasim or Luongo to fill that role and affecting their games to a certain extent
.
But thats life and they are developing and getting better for it - Kasim certainly has improved in the last few months after his initial burst on to the scene - and hopefully it is something that can be addressed in the summer and we will get the "bite" added and allow the others to develop in their more natural roles
I think the main point missing from all of this discussion is - expereince! . Players get better with age and games - that is a simple fact of football! . Lets take the best player in the bottom 2 division in 2013 - Matt Ritchie . "lead boots" and "desperation signing" were commonly used to describe Matt when he first arrived . He was a young inexperienced 21 year old - who blew hot and cold - sound familiar? . However, through coaching and more importantly games he got better and better and became a star who was named the first player ever to be named player of the year in 2 divisions in 2 seasons! . What is ironic is Den even pointed this out to smirg when he called Pritchard a poor mans Ritchie - yet is now slating our current crop! . Lets not forget that all these players are only 19-21 playing their first full seasons - so are exactly like the young Matt Ritchie we first saw . Now whos to say if in 3 years time Luongo for example doesn't develop at a similar rate and becomes and absolute star of a midfielder????? . Also if you take of the rose tined glasses - lets not forget that Douglas was one of the worst players ever to wear the red shirt the year we went down! A total disgrace who spent more time in the boozer than the training pitch! he was also the ring leader in leading the rest astray! . Macca played loads of games in defence as not seen as a natural midfileder and most on here would not have picked him in midfield over Ferry/Hollands! . Ferry was also dropped and over looked by 4 consecutive managers - why did they all do that? He's hardly setting L2 alight at the moment! . Yes we need bite - everyone can see that - and for me Wilesy hit the nail on the head that our players are too similar and we need a bit variety . That doesn't me get shot of them as we need competition and cover etc . For me it should be Luongo or Kasim in one role (box-to-box), Harley or Mason in one role (attacking - in the "hole") and Louis T or a new general in the 3rd spot (hholding - the "bite") . However as we don't have that at present it is falling to Kasim or Luongo to fill that role and affecting their games to a certain extent . But thats life and they are developing and getting better for it - Kasim certainly has improved in the last few months after his initial burst on to the scene - and hopefully it is something that can be addressed in the summer and we will get the "bite" added and allow the others to develop in their more natural roles London Red

10:27am Thu 30 Jan 14

Another view says...

Keep the debate going, guys. It's great to read analysis from those of you who attend home and away. My analysis is simple, just get both a Robson and Souness into our midfield :-)
Keep the debate going, guys. It's great to read analysis from those of you who attend home and away. My analysis is simple, just get both a Robson and Souness into our midfield :-) Another view

12:16pm Thu 30 Jan 14

Oxon-Red says...

Good healthy debate which is nice to see.

It has moved away slightly from my original point which is basically the impression of commitment of a player. IMO it is not an easy thing to describe but basically some people have to work harder than others to acheive the same result which can give the impression that the more gifted person is not trying as hard.

All about opinions at the end of the day I guess and yes we could do with a stronger figure in midfield but I don't doubt the commitment of our players.

COYMR
Good healthy debate which is nice to see. It has moved away slightly from my original point which is basically the impression of commitment of a player. IMO it is not an easy thing to describe but basically some people have to work harder than others to acheive the same result which can give the impression that the more gifted person is not trying as hard. All about opinions at the end of the day I guess and yes we could do with a stronger figure in midfield but I don't doubt the commitment of our players. COYMR Oxon-Red

1:09pm Thu 30 Jan 14

Oi Den! says...

LR, emotive language - "slating". I don't see the need for that, especially when we obviously agree on what's missing from midfield - which could clearly do with some of your defensiveness!

I think you're misquoting me re Ritchie/Pritchard. Somebody did say it wasn't fair to compare the two because Ritchie has 4 years more experience and I pointed out that Ritchie didn't have that experience when he joined us. I believe that was the limit of my contribution on that subject but correct me if I'm wrong.

Oxon, surely the gifted player who works hard makes himself extra special? The reason Nile Ranger is playing for us is that talent alone is not enough to keep anyone at the top. Are you really saying you don't doubt his commitment?
LR, emotive language - "slating". I don't see the need for that, especially when we obviously agree on what's missing from midfield - which could clearly do with some of your defensiveness! I think you're misquoting me re Ritchie/Pritchard. Somebody did say it wasn't fair to compare the two because Ritchie has 4 years more experience and I pointed out that Ritchie didn't have that experience when he joined us. I believe that was the limit of my contribution on that subject but correct me if I'm wrong. Oxon, surely the gifted player who works hard makes himself extra special? The reason Nile Ranger is playing for us is that talent alone is not enough to keep anyone at the top. Are you really saying you don't doubt his commitment? Oi Den!

1:42pm Thu 30 Jan 14

Oxon-Red says...

Oi Den! wrote:
LR, emotive language - "slating". I don't see the need for that, especially when we obviously agree on what's missing from midfield - which could clearly do with some of your defensiveness! I think you're misquoting me re Ritchie/Pritchard. Somebody did say it wasn't fair to compare the two because Ritchie has 4 years more experience and I pointed out that Ritchie didn't have that experience when he joined us. I believe that was the limit of my contribution on that subject but correct me if I'm wrong. Oxon, surely the gifted player who works hard makes himself extra special? The reason Nile Ranger is playing for us is that talent alone is not enough to keep anyone at the top. Are you really saying you don't doubt his commitment?
I am sure you are right in some cases Den. The likes of Hoddle made things look very easy and could give the impression that the effort wasn't there. Perhaps that is the reason he wasn't picked for England as much as he should have been.

I don't doubt Ranger's commitment when he is on the field and he is probably a good example because he does it so easily, Smith seems to have to work much harder. Is Smith more committed ? Don't know maybe he is but which one is most likely to progress and play at a higher level.

Another example is possibly Toure at City, strolls round the pitch but reads the game so well. Is the commitment there ?

COYMR
[quote][p][bold]Oi Den![/bold] wrote: LR, emotive language - "slating". I don't see the need for that, especially when we obviously agree on what's missing from midfield - which could clearly do with some of your defensiveness! I think you're misquoting me re Ritchie/Pritchard. Somebody did say it wasn't fair to compare the two because Ritchie has 4 years more experience and I pointed out that Ritchie didn't have that experience when he joined us. I believe that was the limit of my contribution on that subject but correct me if I'm wrong. Oxon, surely the gifted player who works hard makes himself extra special? The reason Nile Ranger is playing for us is that talent alone is not enough to keep anyone at the top. Are you really saying you don't doubt his commitment?[/p][/quote]I am sure you are right in some cases Den. The likes of Hoddle made things look very easy and could give the impression that the effort wasn't there. Perhaps that is the reason he wasn't picked for England as much as he should have been. I don't doubt Ranger's commitment when he is on the field and he is probably a good example because he does it so easily, Smith seems to have to work much harder. Is Smith more committed ? Don't know maybe he is but which one is most likely to progress and play at a higher level. Another example is possibly Toure at City, strolls round the pitch but reads the game so well. Is the commitment there ? COYMR Oxon-Red

2:02pm Thu 30 Jan 14

old town robin says...

London Red wrote:
I think the main point missing from all of this discussion is - expereince!
.
Players get better with age and games - that is a simple fact of football!
.
Lets take the best player in the bottom 2 division in 2013 - Matt Ritchie
.
"lead boots" and "desperation signing" were commonly used to describe Matt when he first arrived
.
He was a young inexperienced 21 year old - who blew hot and cold - sound familiar?
.
However, through coaching and more importantly games he got better and better and became a star who was named the first player ever to be named player of the year in 2 divisions in 2 seasons!
.
What is ironic is Den even pointed this out to smirg when he called Pritchard a poor mans Ritchie - yet is now slating our current crop!
.
Lets not forget that all these players are only 19-21 playing their first full seasons - so are exactly like the young Matt Ritchie we first saw
.
Now whos to say if in 3 years time Luongo for example doesn't develop at a similar rate and becomes and absolute star of a midfielder?????
.
Also if you take of the rose tined glasses - lets not forget that Douglas was one of the worst players ever to wear the red shirt the year we went down! A total disgrace who spent more time in the boozer than the training pitch! he was also the ring leader in leading the rest astray!
.
Macca played loads of games in defence as not seen as a natural midfileder and most on here would not have picked him in midfield over Ferry/Hollands!
.
Ferry was also dropped and over looked by 4 consecutive managers - why did they all do that? He's hardly setting L2 alight at the moment!
.
Yes we need bite - everyone can see that - and for me Wilesy hit the nail on the head that our players are too similar and we need a bit variety
.
That doesn't me get shot of them as we need competition and cover etc
.
For me it should be Luongo or Kasim in one role (box-to-box), Harley or Mason in one role (attacking - in the "hole") and Louis T or a new general in the 3rd spot (hholding - the "bite")
.
However as we don't have that at present it is falling to Kasim or Luongo to fill that role and affecting their games to a certain extent
.
But thats life and they are developing and getting better for it - Kasim certainly has improved in the last few months after his initial burst on to the scene - and hopefully it is something that can be addressed in the summer and we will get the "bite" added and allow the others to develop in their more natural roles
Quote LR For me it should be Luongo or Kasim in one role (box-to-box), Harley or Mason in one role (attacking - in the "hole") and Louis T or a new general in the 3rd spot (hholding - the "bite") .

Think we all agree with you in theory to play one or other of the two pairings you mentioned would be ideal, but as you say we are missing that experience and playing one or the other of Kasim or Luango isn't an option at the moment because we don't have the right type of experienced midfielder to replace one of them or to support Louis, who will never be ask to direct the midfield play he is an out and out grafter that closes players down and gets his tackles in and although still learning he is doing a fine job when he gets his chance, unfair to expect him to take so much responsibility at his age as an orchestrator or general as you defined his position, he is not.

You are probably also right in 3 years Luango may develop into a decent Premiership or Championship midfielder capable of playing that role, if he was to be anywhere as good as 3 other midfielders from Spurs that played for us, Hoddle, Ardiles and John Smith he will have done extremely well. Trouble is we need someone now to do that job not in 3 years time.

From a coaching point of view surely Luango and Kasim should be able to look around for options before storming into defenders and losing the ball and putting our fragile defence into panic mode defending counter attacks when the ball has been lost or given away by wayward passes. I don't know where we are likely to find such a player for the right price. One thing apparent from the players Lee has brought in apart from Reis, they have all been brought in from within English clubs. maybe he needs to throw his net a little bit further. There are some gems to be found in the Irish leagues and maybe even Holland or Germany.

Anyway looking forward to Saturday, not expecting too many changes if Pritchard is still with us, maybe Jay returning for Reckard and Hartley or Mason ahead of Louis as we will want to take the game to them.
[quote][p][bold]London Red[/bold] wrote: I think the main point missing from all of this discussion is - expereince! . Players get better with age and games - that is a simple fact of football! . Lets take the best player in the bottom 2 division in 2013 - Matt Ritchie . "lead boots" and "desperation signing" were commonly used to describe Matt when he first arrived . He was a young inexperienced 21 year old - who blew hot and cold - sound familiar? . However, through coaching and more importantly games he got better and better and became a star who was named the first player ever to be named player of the year in 2 divisions in 2 seasons! . What is ironic is Den even pointed this out to smirg when he called Pritchard a poor mans Ritchie - yet is now slating our current crop! . Lets not forget that all these players are only 19-21 playing their first full seasons - so are exactly like the young Matt Ritchie we first saw . Now whos to say if in 3 years time Luongo for example doesn't develop at a similar rate and becomes and absolute star of a midfielder????? . Also if you take of the rose tined glasses - lets not forget that Douglas was one of the worst players ever to wear the red shirt the year we went down! A total disgrace who spent more time in the boozer than the training pitch! he was also the ring leader in leading the rest astray! . Macca played loads of games in defence as not seen as a natural midfileder and most on here would not have picked him in midfield over Ferry/Hollands! . Ferry was also dropped and over looked by 4 consecutive managers - why did they all do that? He's hardly setting L2 alight at the moment! . Yes we need bite - everyone can see that - and for me Wilesy hit the nail on the head that our players are too similar and we need a bit variety . That doesn't me get shot of them as we need competition and cover etc . For me it should be Luongo or Kasim in one role (box-to-box), Harley or Mason in one role (attacking - in the "hole") and Louis T or a new general in the 3rd spot (hholding - the "bite") . However as we don't have that at present it is falling to Kasim or Luongo to fill that role and affecting their games to a certain extent . But thats life and they are developing and getting better for it - Kasim certainly has improved in the last few months after his initial burst on to the scene - and hopefully it is something that can be addressed in the summer and we will get the "bite" added and allow the others to develop in their more natural roles[/p][/quote]Quote LR For me it should be Luongo or Kasim in one role (box-to-box), Harley or Mason in one role (attacking - in the "hole") and Louis T or a new general in the 3rd spot (hholding - the "bite") . Think we all agree with you in theory to play one or other of the two pairings you mentioned would be ideal, but as you say we are missing that experience and playing one or the other of Kasim or Luango isn't an option at the moment because we don't have the right type of experienced midfielder to replace one of them or to support Louis, who will never be ask to direct the midfield play he is an out and out grafter that closes players down and gets his tackles in and although still learning he is doing a fine job when he gets his chance, unfair to expect him to take so much responsibility at his age as an orchestrator or general as you defined his position, he is not. You are probably also right in 3 years Luango may develop into a decent Premiership or Championship midfielder capable of playing that role, if he was to be anywhere as good as 3 other midfielders from Spurs that played for us, Hoddle, Ardiles and John Smith he will have done extremely well. Trouble is we need someone now to do that job not in 3 years time. From a coaching point of view surely Luango and Kasim should be able to look around for options before storming into defenders and losing the ball and putting our fragile defence into panic mode defending counter attacks when the ball has been lost or given away by wayward passes. I don't know where we are likely to find such a player for the right price. One thing apparent from the players Lee has brought in apart from Reis, they have all been brought in from within English clubs. maybe he needs to throw his net a little bit further. There are some gems to be found in the Irish leagues and maybe even Holland or Germany. Anyway looking forward to Saturday, not expecting too many changes if Pritchard is still with us, maybe Jay returning for Reckard and Hartley or Mason ahead of Louis as we will want to take the game to them. old town robin

2:55pm Thu 30 Jan 14

joey butler says...

Wilesey, your comments earlier refer,

Agree and disagree with both of you to some extent. I wasn't born when Don Rogers was playing so can't comment on that but sounds not dissimilar to Duncan Shearer in not being involved but popping up with the winner who I did see a lot of.

I appreciate your comparison between the two players and that you are not an old boy like me, but Duncan Shearer could not lace Don Rogers boots!!
Wilesey, your comments earlier refer, Agree and disagree with both of you to some extent. I wasn't born when Don Rogers was playing so can't comment on that but sounds not dissimilar to Duncan Shearer in not being involved but popping up with the winner who I did see a lot of. I appreciate your comparison between the two players and that you are not an old boy like me, but Duncan Shearer could not lace Don Rogers boots!! joey butler

4:25pm Thu 30 Jan 14

Steve. Brentford says...

port de soller wrote:
Nobody coming, well makes sense again Town being cautious and cutting therecloth.As for Pritchard sad but was bound to happen,wish we could have him until end of season.
Yet is a Rumour/Speculation we will see soon enough.
Good effort last night
Why have the f*kin muppets given thumbs down to this post, this man is in nother country trying to stay in touch with the team he grew up watching/supporting (some of you muppets want to look that word up) just like most on these pages and you cant even show some respect to a fellow supporter/comrade, i`m f*kin glad i wouldnt have to rely on the likes of you in any kind of emergency, you know who you are and you should be ashamed of yourself hiding behind a little button about the size of your brain.
I challenge any of you who gave port de soller thumbs down to reply to my post in person and tell me why i`m wrong in calling you out to be t*ssers or would it be easier for you to press the thumbs down whilst hiding behind your settees or desks at work like a true coward would c`mon lets be having ya, **** at the double!
[quote][p][bold]port de soller[/bold] wrote: Nobody coming, well makes sense again Town being cautious and cutting therecloth.As for Pritchard sad but was bound to happen,wish we could have him until end of season. Yet is a Rumour/Speculation we will see soon enough. Good effort last night[/p][/quote]Why have the f*kin muppets given thumbs down to this post, this man is in nother country trying to stay in touch with the team he grew up watching/supporting (some of you muppets want to look that word up) just like most on these pages and you cant even show some respect to a fellow supporter/comrade, i`m f*kin glad i wouldnt have to rely on the likes of you in any kind of emergency, you know who you are and you should be ashamed of yourself hiding behind a little button about the size of your brain. I challenge any of you who gave port de soller thumbs down to reply to my post in person and tell me why i`m wrong in calling you out to be t*ssers or would it be easier for you to press the thumbs down whilst hiding behind your settees or desks at work like a true coward would c`mon lets be having ya, **** at the double! Steve. Brentford

4:26pm Thu 30 Jan 14

London Red says...

OTR - guess it depends on your view on a midfield general. I personally don't see them as the orchestrator - I would put that role to the playmaker
.
Using famous players as an eample you can take Germany as they play the same system
.
Sami Khedira is what I call the general - simply there to hassle opposition, close them down - simply break things up. This is the role I see Louis developing into - and agree should be expected to do all the time at his age. This is the key posiiton we need to address. It is what Navarro was signed to do and what Douglas did beatifully in 2009/10
.
Bastian Schweinsteiger is the playmeker and the role I would call the orchestrator. this is who makes them tick and is the heart of all play - picking it up of the back 4 or Khedira and starting things going. This would be the box-to-box role I see Luongo and Kasim playing.
.
To be fair my point about experience comes into play here as if they were able to look around for options before storming into defenders and losing the ball and putting our fragile defence into panic mode defending counter attacks when the ball has been lost or given away by wayward passes - they wouldn't be with us! In time theyboth may develop that and become fine players - but at now they are hot and cold and thus available for us to pick up!
.
Finally we have Mesut Ozil as the creative spark who plays in the hole - where Mason has been playing and Pritchard did on Tues. Its also the role Harley used to play for Exeter - though he could also be more of the box-to box player too
.
Mason too has been hot and cold in this role - but we are more threatening with him than without him - so for this year am happy for him to play it if we are 4231 or either him or Pritchard if the diamond continues
.
I perosnally think we can give players time to develop - this we need it now is why England are in a pile of sh1te as no one ever gives someone a chance to grow and develop - but looks to replace them instantly
.
Granted we cant have 11 novices out there as we will get bullied etc - but if we can get to the situationwe saw in L2 under PdC with "the super 6" in the team - we can have the others rotate around and allow players to develop
.
Now if we were to get a general in midfield to provide cover and break things up - maybe KLuongo would become paert of that 6 straight away as he could learn from that player - but like Ferry alongside Douglas in 2009/10
.
So Yes we need a few tweaks - but I do think that we are not far away from being really good with players like Luongo as he and others have shown they can do it
.
For me we need a new leader at the back as ward is not Ward of last year
.
We need a midifled general to add bite andguidance to the others
.
We then need another creative spark outwide as we only really have Tijane - who is untried due to his injury - we saw in L2 that when inbalanced with only one wide man (currently Pritchard) it leads to attacks breaking down and us becoming to predictable. Rooney and then Holmes fixed this so if we could get a right sided player whil Pritchard is here or a left one once he goes and we have Tijane then we should be more balanced and more of a threat
.
Byrne has been playing there but is in and out too much and not really a natural winger as played a lot at FB - if developed there he could progress - look at Bale (no not saying Byrne is as good as Bale - just pointing out he was an FB who became a out and out winger)
.
That would be my top 3 signings in the summer and would be happy with:
.
Wes
Thompson, New CB, Troy, Byrne
New DM, Kasim/Luongo
Tijane, Harley, New Left Winger
Ranger
.
Then we have Belford, Barthram, Branco, Reckford(?), Luongo/Kasim, Barker, Storey and Smith as back up and competition
OTR - guess it depends on your view on a midfield general. I personally don't see them as the orchestrator - I would put that role to the playmaker . Using famous players as an eample you can take Germany as they play the same system . Sami Khedira is what I call the general - simply there to hassle opposition, close them down - simply break things up. This is the role I see Louis developing into - and agree should be expected to do all the time at his age. This is the key posiiton we need to address. It is what Navarro was signed to do and what Douglas did beatifully in 2009/10 . Bastian Schweinsteiger is the playmeker and the role I would call the orchestrator. this is who makes them tick and is the heart of all play - picking it up of the back 4 or Khedira and starting things going. This would be the box-to-box role I see Luongo and Kasim playing. . To be fair my point about experience comes into play here as if they were able to look around for options before storming into defenders and losing the ball and putting our fragile defence into panic mode defending counter attacks when the ball has been lost or given away by wayward passes - they wouldn't be with us! In time theyboth may develop that and become fine players - but at now they are hot and cold and thus available for us to pick up! . Finally we have Mesut Ozil as the creative spark who plays in the hole - where Mason has been playing and Pritchard did on Tues. Its also the role Harley used to play for Exeter - though he could also be more of the box-to box player too . Mason too has been hot and cold in this role - but we are more threatening with him than without him - so for this year am happy for him to play it if we are 4231 or either him or Pritchard if the diamond continues . I perosnally think we can give players time to develop - this we need it now is why England are in a pile of sh1te as no one ever gives someone a chance to grow and develop - but looks to replace them instantly . Granted we cant have 11 novices out there as we will get bullied etc - but if we can get to the situationwe saw in L2 under PdC with "the super 6" in the team - we can have the others rotate around and allow players to develop . Now if we were to get a general in midfield to provide cover and break things up - maybe KLuongo would become paert of that 6 straight away as he could learn from that player - but like Ferry alongside Douglas in 2009/10 . So Yes we need a few tweaks - but I do think that we are not far away from being really good with players like Luongo as he and others have shown they can do it . For me we need a new leader at the back as ward is not Ward of last year . We need a midifled general to add bite andguidance to the others . We then need another creative spark outwide as we only really have Tijane - who is untried due to his injury - we saw in L2 that when inbalanced with only one wide man (currently Pritchard) it leads to attacks breaking down and us becoming to predictable. Rooney and then Holmes fixed this so if we could get a right sided player whil Pritchard is here or a left one once he goes and we have Tijane then we should be more balanced and more of a threat . Byrne has been playing there but is in and out too much and not really a natural winger as played a lot at FB - if developed there he could progress - look at Bale (no not saying Byrne is as good as Bale - just pointing out he was an FB who became a out and out winger) . That would be my top 3 signings in the summer and would be happy with: . Wes Thompson, New CB, Troy, Byrne New DM, Kasim/Luongo Tijane, Harley, New Left Winger Ranger . Then we have Belford, Barthram, Branco, Reckford(?), Luongo/Kasim, Barker, Storey and Smith as back up and competition London Red

4:29pm Thu 30 Jan 14

London Red says...

Steve. Brentford wrote:
port de soller wrote: Nobody coming, well makes sense again Town being cautious and cutting therecloth.As for Pritchard sad but was bound to happen,wish we could have him until end of season. Yet is a Rumour/Speculation we will see soon enough. Good effort last night
Why have the f*kin muppets given thumbs down to this post, this man is in nother country trying to stay in touch with the team he grew up watching/supporting (some of you muppets want to look that word up) just like most on these pages and you cant even show some respect to a fellow supporter/comrade, i`m f*kin glad i wouldnt have to rely on the likes of you in any kind of emergency, you know who you are and you should be ashamed of yourself hiding behind a little button about the size of your brain. I challenge any of you who gave port de soller thumbs down to reply to my post in person and tell me why i`m wrong in calling you out to be t*ssers or would it be easier for you to press the thumbs down whilst hiding behind your settees or desks at work like a true coward would c`mon lets be having ya, **** at the double!
Steve - do you really care about the thumbs up thumbs down thingy - its totally pointless - especially as you can vote on your own post!
[quote][p][bold]Steve. Brentford[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]port de soller[/bold] wrote: Nobody coming, well makes sense again Town being cautious and cutting therecloth.As for Pritchard sad but was bound to happen,wish we could have him until end of season. Yet is a Rumour/Speculation we will see soon enough. Good effort last night[/p][/quote]Why have the f*kin muppets given thumbs down to this post, this man is in nother country trying to stay in touch with the team he grew up watching/supporting (some of you muppets want to look that word up) just like most on these pages and you cant even show some respect to a fellow supporter/comrade, i`m f*kin glad i wouldnt have to rely on the likes of you in any kind of emergency, you know who you are and you should be ashamed of yourself hiding behind a little button about the size of your brain. I challenge any of you who gave port de soller thumbs down to reply to my post in person and tell me why i`m wrong in calling you out to be t*ssers or would it be easier for you to press the thumbs down whilst hiding behind your settees or desks at work like a true coward would c`mon lets be having ya, **** at the double![/p][/quote]Steve - do you really care about the thumbs up thumbs down thingy - its totally pointless - especially as you can vote on your own post! London Red

4:40pm Thu 30 Jan 14

Oi Den! says...

London Red wrote:
Steve. Brentford wrote:
port de soller wrote: Nobody coming, well makes sense again Town being cautious and cutting therecloth.As for Pritchard sad but was bound to happen,wish we could have him until end of season. Yet is a Rumour/Speculation we will see soon enough. Good effort last night
Why have the f*kin muppets given thumbs down to this post, this man is in nother country trying to stay in touch with the team he grew up watching/supporting (some of you muppets want to look that word up) just like most on these pages and you cant even show some respect to a fellow supporter/comrade, i`m f*kin glad i wouldnt have to rely on the likes of you in any kind of emergency, you know who you are and you should be ashamed of yourself hiding behind a little button about the size of your brain. I challenge any of you who gave port de soller thumbs down to reply to my post in person and tell me why i`m wrong in calling you out to be t*ssers or would it be easier for you to press the thumbs down whilst hiding behind your settees or desks at work like a true coward would c`mon lets be having ya, **** at the double!
Steve - do you really care about the thumbs up thumbs down thingy - its totally pointless - especially as you can vote on your own post!
True LR. Makes you wonder doesn't it Steve! I actually gave one of my own posts a thumbs down straightaway the other day - just to start the ball rolling.
[quote][p][bold]London Red[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Steve. Brentford[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]port de soller[/bold] wrote: Nobody coming, well makes sense again Town being cautious and cutting therecloth.As for Pritchard sad but was bound to happen,wish we could have him until end of season. Yet is a Rumour/Speculation we will see soon enough. Good effort last night[/p][/quote]Why have the f*kin muppets given thumbs down to this post, this man is in nother country trying to stay in touch with the team he grew up watching/supporting (some of you muppets want to look that word up) just like most on these pages and you cant even show some respect to a fellow supporter/comrade, i`m f*kin glad i wouldnt have to rely on the likes of you in any kind of emergency, you know who you are and you should be ashamed of yourself hiding behind a little button about the size of your brain. I challenge any of you who gave port de soller thumbs down to reply to my post in person and tell me why i`m wrong in calling you out to be t*ssers or would it be easier for you to press the thumbs down whilst hiding behind your settees or desks at work like a true coward would c`mon lets be having ya, **** at the double![/p][/quote]Steve - do you really care about the thumbs up thumbs down thingy - its totally pointless - especially as you can vote on your own post![/p][/quote]True LR. Makes you wonder doesn't it Steve! I actually gave one of my own posts a thumbs down straightaway the other day - just to start the ball rolling. Oi Den!

4:58pm Thu 30 Jan 14

Steve. Brentford says...

Oi Den! wrote:
London Red wrote:
Steve. Brentford wrote:
port de soller wrote: Nobody coming, well makes sense again Town being cautious and cutting therecloth.As for Pritchard sad but was bound to happen,wish we could have him until end of season. Yet is a Rumour/Speculation we will see soon enough. Good effort last night
Why have the f*kin muppets given thumbs down to this post, this man is in nother country trying to stay in touch with the team he grew up watching/supporting (some of you muppets want to look that word up) just like most on these pages and you cant even show some respect to a fellow supporter/comrade, i`m f*kin glad i wouldnt have to rely on the likes of you in any kind of emergency, you know who you are and you should be ashamed of yourself hiding behind a little button about the size of your brain. I challenge any of you who gave port de soller thumbs down to reply to my post in person and tell me why i`m wrong in calling you out to be t*ssers or would it be easier for you to press the thumbs down whilst hiding behind your settees or desks at work like a true coward would c`mon lets be having ya, **** at the double!
Steve - do you really care about the thumbs up thumbs down thingy - its totally pointless - especially as you can vote on your own post!
True LR. Makes you wonder doesn't it Steve! I actually gave one of my own posts a thumbs down straightaway the other day - just to start the ball rolling.
Yes gents i am aware of it being totally pointless but to a retired oap in spain who only has thisis as a contact between his club and himself just might care.
Den i have also pressed my own after my last rant about the stupid thumbs thing. PLEASE SAM DO US ALL A FAVOUR AND TAKE THE POXY THING OFF, IT IS A COMPLETE LOAD OF BOLL***S.
Grim nice one for posting the link to LP`s interview.
PS Apart from that a good thread with good points made and decent debates.
[quote][p][bold]Oi Den![/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]London Red[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Steve. Brentford[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]port de soller[/bold] wrote: Nobody coming, well makes sense again Town being cautious and cutting therecloth.As for Pritchard sad but was bound to happen,wish we could have him until end of season. Yet is a Rumour/Speculation we will see soon enough. Good effort last night[/p][/quote]Why have the f*kin muppets given thumbs down to this post, this man is in nother country trying to stay in touch with the team he grew up watching/supporting (some of you muppets want to look that word up) just like most on these pages and you cant even show some respect to a fellow supporter/comrade, i`m f*kin glad i wouldnt have to rely on the likes of you in any kind of emergency, you know who you are and you should be ashamed of yourself hiding behind a little button about the size of your brain. I challenge any of you who gave port de soller thumbs down to reply to my post in person and tell me why i`m wrong in calling you out to be t*ssers or would it be easier for you to press the thumbs down whilst hiding behind your settees or desks at work like a true coward would c`mon lets be having ya, **** at the double![/p][/quote]Steve - do you really care about the thumbs up thumbs down thingy - its totally pointless - especially as you can vote on your own post![/p][/quote]True LR. Makes you wonder doesn't it Steve! I actually gave one of my own posts a thumbs down straightaway the other day - just to start the ball rolling.[/p][/quote]Yes gents i am aware of it being totally pointless but to a retired oap in spain who only has thisis as a contact between his club and himself just might care. Den i have also pressed my own after my last rant about the stupid thumbs thing. PLEASE SAM DO US ALL A FAVOUR AND TAKE THE POXY THING OFF, IT IS A COMPLETE LOAD OF BOLL***S. Grim nice one for posting the link to LP`s interview. PS Apart from that a good thread with good points made and decent debates. Steve. Brentford

5:36pm Thu 30 Jan 14

old town robin says...

London Red wrote:
OTR - guess it depends on your view on a midfield general. I personally don't see them as the orchestrator - I would put that role to the playmaker
.
Using famous players as an eample you can take Germany as they play the same system
.
Sami Khedira is what I call the general - simply there to hassle opposition, close them down - simply break things up. This is the role I see Louis developing into - and agree should be expected to do all the time at his age. This is the key posiiton we need to address. It is what Navarro was signed to do and what Douglas did beatifully in 2009/10
.
Bastian Schweinsteiger is the playmeker and the role I would call the orchestrator. this is who makes them tick and is the heart of all play - picking it up of the back 4 or Khedira and starting things going. This would be the box-to-box role I see Luongo and Kasim playing.
.
To be fair my point about experience comes into play here as if they were able to look around for options before storming into defenders and losing the ball and putting our fragile defence into panic mode defending counter attacks when the ball has been lost or given away by wayward passes - they wouldn't be with us! In time theyboth may develop that and become fine players - but at now they are hot and cold and thus available for us to pick up!
.
Finally we have Mesut Ozil as the creative spark who plays in the hole - where Mason has been playing and Pritchard did on Tues. Its also the role Harley used to play for Exeter - though he could also be more of the box-to box player too
.
Mason too has been hot and cold in this role - but we are more threatening with him than without him - so for this year am happy for him to play it if we are 4231 or either him or Pritchard if the diamond continues
.
I perosnally think we can give players time to develop - this we need it now is why England are in a pile of sh1te as no one ever gives someone a chance to grow and develop - but looks to replace them instantly
.
Granted we cant have 11 novices out there as we will get bullied etc - but if we can get to the situationwe saw in L2 under PdC with "the super 6" in the team - we can have the others rotate around and allow players to develop
.
Now if we were to get a general in midfield to provide cover and break things up - maybe KLuongo would become paert of that 6 straight away as he could learn from that player - but like Ferry alongside Douglas in 2009/10
.
So Yes we need a few tweaks - but I do think that we are not far away from being really good with players like Luongo as he and others have shown they can do it
.
For me we need a new leader at the back as ward is not Ward of last year
.
We need a midifled general to add bite andguidance to the others
.
We then need another creative spark outwide as we only really have Tijane - who is untried due to his injury - we saw in L2 that when inbalanced with only one wide man (currently Pritchard) it leads to attacks breaking down and us becoming to predictable. Rooney and then Holmes fixed this so if we could get a right sided player whil Pritchard is here or a left one once he goes and we have Tijane then we should be more balanced and more of a threat
.
Byrne has been playing there but is in and out too much and not really a natural winger as played a lot at FB - if developed there he could progress - look at Bale (no not saying Byrne is as good as Bale - just pointing out he was an FB who became a out and out winger)
.
That would be my top 3 signings in the summer and would be happy with:
.
Wes
Thompson, New CB, Troy, Byrne
New DM, Kasim/Luongo
Tijane, Harley, New Left Winger
Ranger
.
Then we have Belford, Barthram, Branco, Reckford(?), Luongo/Kasim, Barker, Storey and Smith as back up and competition
Agree with almost all of that LR, but where we find that allusive player at the price we can afford in the mode of John Smith or even Douglas at his best, is hard to say. think we need to go to a higher level than conference, that is why I suggested and you seemed to agree we may need to look further afield than the football league.
[quote][p][bold]London Red[/bold] wrote: OTR - guess it depends on your view on a midfield general. I personally don't see them as the orchestrator - I would put that role to the playmaker . Using famous players as an eample you can take Germany as they play the same system . Sami Khedira is what I call the general - simply there to hassle opposition, close them down - simply break things up. This is the role I see Louis developing into - and agree should be expected to do all the time at his age. This is the key posiiton we need to address. It is what Navarro was signed to do and what Douglas did beatifully in 2009/10 . Bastian Schweinsteiger is the playmeker and the role I would call the orchestrator. this is who makes them tick and is the heart of all play - picking it up of the back 4 or Khedira and starting things going. This would be the box-to-box role I see Luongo and Kasim playing. . To be fair my point about experience comes into play here as if they were able to look around for options before storming into defenders and losing the ball and putting our fragile defence into panic mode defending counter attacks when the ball has been lost or given away by wayward passes - they wouldn't be with us! In time theyboth may develop that and become fine players - but at now they are hot and cold and thus available for us to pick up! . Finally we have Mesut Ozil as the creative spark who plays in the hole - where Mason has been playing and Pritchard did on Tues. Its also the role Harley used to play for Exeter - though he could also be more of the box-to box player too . Mason too has been hot and cold in this role - but we are more threatening with him than without him - so for this year am happy for him to play it if we are 4231 or either him or Pritchard if the diamond continues . I perosnally think we can give players time to develop - this we need it now is why England are in a pile of sh1te as no one ever gives someone a chance to grow and develop - but looks to replace them instantly . Granted we cant have 11 novices out there as we will get bullied etc - but if we can get to the situationwe saw in L2 under PdC with "the super 6" in the team - we can have the others rotate around and allow players to develop . Now if we were to get a general in midfield to provide cover and break things up - maybe KLuongo would become paert of that 6 straight away as he could learn from that player - but like Ferry alongside Douglas in 2009/10 . So Yes we need a few tweaks - but I do think that we are not far away from being really good with players like Luongo as he and others have shown they can do it . For me we need a new leader at the back as ward is not Ward of last year . We need a midifled general to add bite andguidance to the others . We then need another creative spark outwide as we only really have Tijane - who is untried due to his injury - we saw in L2 that when inbalanced with only one wide man (currently Pritchard) it leads to attacks breaking down and us becoming to predictable. Rooney and then Holmes fixed this so if we could get a right sided player whil Pritchard is here or a left one once he goes and we have Tijane then we should be more balanced and more of a threat . Byrne has been playing there but is in and out too much and not really a natural winger as played a lot at FB - if developed there he could progress - look at Bale (no not saying Byrne is as good as Bale - just pointing out he was an FB who became a out and out winger) . That would be my top 3 signings in the summer and would be happy with: . Wes Thompson, New CB, Troy, Byrne New DM, Kasim/Luongo Tijane, Harley, New Left Winger Ranger . Then we have Belford, Barthram, Branco, Reckford(?), Luongo/Kasim, Barker, Storey and Smith as back up and competition[/p][/quote]Agree with almost all of that LR, but where we find that allusive player at the price we can afford in the mode of John Smith or even Douglas at his best, is hard to say. think we need to go to a higher level than conference, that is why I suggested and you seemed to agree we may need to look further afield than the football league. old town robin

5:49pm Thu 30 Jan 14

old town robin says...

Steve. Brentford wrote:
Oi Den! wrote:
London Red wrote:
Steve. Brentford wrote:
port de soller wrote: Nobody coming, well makes sense again Town being cautious and cutting therecloth.As for Pritchard sad but was bound to happen,wish we could have him until end of season. Yet is a Rumour/Speculation we will see soon enough. Good effort last night
Why have the f*kin muppets given thumbs down to this post, this man is in nother country trying to stay in touch with the team he grew up watching/supporting (some of you muppets want to look that word up) just like most on these pages and you cant even show some respect to a fellow supporter/comrade, i`m f*kin glad i wouldnt have to rely on the likes of you in any kind of emergency, you know who you are and you should be ashamed of yourself hiding behind a little button about the size of your brain. I challenge any of you who gave port de soller thumbs down to reply to my post in person and tell me why i`m wrong in calling you out to be t*ssers or would it be easier for you to press the thumbs down whilst hiding behind your settees or desks at work like a true coward would c`mon lets be having ya, **** at the double!
Steve - do you really care about the thumbs up thumbs down thingy - its totally pointless - especially as you can vote on your own post!
True LR. Makes you wonder doesn't it Steve! I actually gave one of my own posts a thumbs down straightaway the other day - just to start the ball rolling.
Yes gents i am aware of it being totally pointless but to a retired oap in spain who only has thisis as a contact between his club and himself just might care.
Den i have also pressed my own after my last rant about the stupid thumbs thing. PLEASE SAM DO US ALL A FAVOUR AND TAKE THE POXY THING OFF, IT IS A COMPLETE LOAD OF BOLL***S.
Grim nice one for posting the link to LP`s interview.
PS Apart from that a good thread with good points made and decent debates.
Steve,

I assume you are referring to the thumbs down for the post of Stewart (Port de Soller). Reading his post today, there was nothing contentious, so why he got -8, could be upsetting to a poster that is not looking for confrontation and as you say just wants to stay in touch.

Agree with you this thumbs up or down to post should be stopped, however if we can do it just for Adver sport articles I would be all for that as long as we are sble to give reasons why we like it or not..
[quote][p][bold]Steve. Brentford[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Oi Den![/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]London Red[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Steve. Brentford[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]port de soller[/bold] wrote: Nobody coming, well makes sense again Town being cautious and cutting therecloth.As for Pritchard sad but was bound to happen,wish we could have him until end of season. Yet is a Rumour/Speculation we will see soon enough. Good effort last night[/p][/quote]Why have the f*kin muppets given thumbs down to this post, this man is in nother country trying to stay in touch with the team he grew up watching/supporting (some of you muppets want to look that word up) just like most on these pages and you cant even show some respect to a fellow supporter/comrade, i`m f*kin glad i wouldnt have to rely on the likes of you in any kind of emergency, you know who you are and you should be ashamed of yourself hiding behind a little button about the size of your brain. I challenge any of you who gave port de soller thumbs down to reply to my post in person and tell me why i`m wrong in calling you out to be t*ssers or would it be easier for you to press the thumbs down whilst hiding behind your settees or desks at work like a true coward would c`mon lets be having ya, **** at the double![/p][/quote]Steve - do you really care about the thumbs up thumbs down thingy - its totally pointless - especially as you can vote on your own post![/p][/quote]True LR. Makes you wonder doesn't it Steve! I actually gave one of my own posts a thumbs down straightaway the other day - just to start the ball rolling.[/p][/quote]Yes gents i am aware of it being totally pointless but to a retired oap in spain who only has thisis as a contact between his club and himself just might care. Den i have also pressed my own after my last rant about the stupid thumbs thing. PLEASE SAM DO US ALL A FAVOUR AND TAKE THE POXY THING OFF, IT IS A COMPLETE LOAD OF BOLL***S. Grim nice one for posting the link to LP`s interview. PS Apart from that a good thread with good points made and decent debates.[/p][/quote]Steve, I assume you are referring to the thumbs down for the post of Stewart (Port de Soller). Reading his post today, there was nothing contentious, so why he got -8, could be upsetting to a poster that is not looking for confrontation and as you say just wants to stay in touch. Agree with you this thumbs up or down to post should be stopped, however if we can do it just for Adver sport articles I would be all for that as long as we are sble to give reasons why we like it or not.. old town robin

7:46pm Thu 30 Jan 14

London Red says...

OTR - they can be found the way we signed Greer, Ward, Douglas, Macca and this year Ranger
.
Experience pros are not exclusive to just Wolves and Co.
.
Yeovil, Orient and Walsall don't have the budgets of the big few - yet they built
solid squads over time - step by step
.
Not sure if going outside the FL is a good idea at our level as we have had more than a few disasters recently!
.
Even the SPL is hit and miss!
.
Guess this is where Power has to earn his money - find the right players through his contacts to fire us up the leagues. Only that way will he ever see his £1m+ investment return anything!
OTR - they can be found the way we signed Greer, Ward, Douglas, Macca and this year Ranger . Experience pros are not exclusive to just Wolves and Co. . Yeovil, Orient and Walsall don't have the budgets of the big few - yet they built solid squads over time - step by step . Not sure if going outside the FL is a good idea at our level as we have had more than a few disasters recently! . Even the SPL is hit and miss! . Guess this is where Power has to earn his money - find the right players through his contacts to fire us up the leagues. Only that way will he ever see his £1m+ investment return anything! London Red

8:06pm Thu 30 Jan 14

Wilesy says...

joey butler wrote:
Wilesey, your comments earlier refer,

Agree and disagree with both of you to some extent. I wasn't born when Don Rogers was playing so can't comment on that but sounds not dissimilar to Duncan Shearer in not being involved but popping up with the winner who I did see a lot of.

I appreciate your comparison between the two players and that you are not an old boy like me, but Duncan Shearer could not lace Don Rogers boots!!
Joey yes good point and apology quite possibly in order however the comparison was in reply to a comment that Don was low on work rate and high on match winning ability, and as I remember Shearer wasn't the hardest working player ever, yet scored for fun....
[quote][p][bold]joey butler[/bold] wrote: Wilesey, your comments earlier refer, Agree and disagree with both of you to some extent. I wasn't born when Don Rogers was playing so can't comment on that but sounds not dissimilar to Duncan Shearer in not being involved but popping up with the winner who I did see a lot of. I appreciate your comparison between the two players and that you are not an old boy like me, but Duncan Shearer could not lace Don Rogers boots!![/p][/quote]Joey yes good point and apology quite possibly in order however the comparison was in reply to a comment that Don was low on work rate and high on match winning ability, and as I remember Shearer wasn't the hardest working player ever, yet scored for fun.... Wilesy

8:15pm Thu 30 Jan 14

joey butler says...

Steve. Brentford wrote:
port de soller wrote:
Nobody coming, well makes sense again Town being cautious and cutting therecloth.As for Pritchard sad but was bound to happen,wish we could have him until end of season.
Yet is a Rumour/Speculation we will see soon enough.
Good effort last night
Why have the f*kin muppets given thumbs down to this post, this man is in nother country trying to stay in touch with the team he grew up watching/supporting (some of you muppets want to look that word up) just like most on these pages and you cant even show some respect to a fellow supporter/comrade, i`m f*kin glad i wouldnt have to rely on the likes of you in any kind of emergency, you know who you are and you should be ashamed of yourself hiding behind a little button about the size of your brain.
I challenge any of you who gave port de soller thumbs down to reply to my post in person and tell me why i`m wrong in calling you out to be t*ssers or would it be easier for you to press the thumbs down whilst hiding behind your settees or desks at work like a true coward would c`mon lets be having ya, **** at the double!
Steve,

I think the retired poster you refer to served in the Royal Marines for many years and certainly deserves respect.

The thumbs up/down system had minus 8 for him when I read his post, so your comments are very fair and accurate.

My record is minus 67, for suggesting we sell Fods to buy Ajose, but that debate is history for now.
[quote][p][bold]Steve. Brentford[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]port de soller[/bold] wrote: Nobody coming, well makes sense again Town being cautious and cutting therecloth.As for Pritchard sad but was bound to happen,wish we could have him until end of season. Yet is a Rumour/Speculation we will see soon enough. Good effort last night[/p][/quote]Why have the f*kin muppets given thumbs down to this post, this man is in nother country trying to stay in touch with the team he grew up watching/supporting (some of you muppets want to look that word up) just like most on these pages and you cant even show some respect to a fellow supporter/comrade, i`m f*kin glad i wouldnt have to rely on the likes of you in any kind of emergency, you know who you are and you should be ashamed of yourself hiding behind a little button about the size of your brain. I challenge any of you who gave port de soller thumbs down to reply to my post in person and tell me why i`m wrong in calling you out to be t*ssers or would it be easier for you to press the thumbs down whilst hiding behind your settees or desks at work like a true coward would c`mon lets be having ya, **** at the double![/p][/quote]Steve, I think the retired poster you refer to served in the Royal Marines for many years and certainly deserves respect. The thumbs up/down system had minus 8 for him when I read his post, so your comments are very fair and accurate. My record is minus 67, for suggesting we sell Fods to buy Ajose, but that debate is history for now. joey butler

8:32pm Thu 30 Jan 14

Wilesy says...

London Red wrote:
OTR - they can be found the way we signed Greer, Ward, Douglas, Macca and this year Ranger
.
Experience pros are not exclusive to just Wolves and Co.
.
Yeovil, Orient and Walsall don't have the budgets of the big few - yet they built
solid squads over time - step by step
.
Not sure if going outside the FL is a good idea at our level as we have had more than a few disasters recently!
.
Even the SPL is hit and miss!
.
Guess this is where Power has to earn his money - find the right players through his contacts to fire us up the leagues. Only that way will he ever see his £1m+ investment return anything!
The difference this season is the youth of the squad. Ranger in your list there is only 22 and not all that experienced with only 4 goals to his name when he joined, the others were all 25+ and vastly experienced in their positions. All of them were dropping down a level to play for us.

To take Orient as a direct comparison this season - I've just had a look at each player on Wiki, and the average age of the of their team must be 26 or so, the majority are experienced pros with 150+ professional games and there are no regulars under 25. A few old heads in there too eg Lisbie. Only a couple of recently added loans too. No star names though, so no sell-on value. The nucleus of that side has also been there for a while.

We basically have Ward and McEveley as the old heads, Harley is in and out of the side and not really first choice. Majority are 20-22 with under 50 league games.

As we know the goal this season was to not get relegated, so it will be interesting to see how Navarro, Williams et al will get replaced next season. Some experienced heads may indicate we're having a go, more youngsters may not. Power is a football man so obviously knows we need that blend of youth and experience.

I guess part of the sustainability challenge is in the absence of star quality in the youth squads, to bring in talented youngsters eg Luongo, Byrne, Smith etc and see them develop and sold like Austin. All well and good but maybe Orient have the answer with pitching the squad a bit older, more experienced, less loans and also less chance of being sold.
[quote][p][bold]London Red[/bold] wrote: OTR - they can be found the way we signed Greer, Ward, Douglas, Macca and this year Ranger . Experience pros are not exclusive to just Wolves and Co. . Yeovil, Orient and Walsall don't have the budgets of the big few - yet they built solid squads over time - step by step . Not sure if going outside the FL is a good idea at our level as we have had more than a few disasters recently! . Even the SPL is hit and miss! . Guess this is where Power has to earn his money - find the right players through his contacts to fire us up the leagues. Only that way will he ever see his £1m+ investment return anything![/p][/quote]The difference this season is the youth of the squad. Ranger in your list there is only 22 and not all that experienced with only 4 goals to his name when he joined, the others were all 25+ and vastly experienced in their positions. All of them were dropping down a level to play for us. To take Orient as a direct comparison this season - I've just had a look at each player on Wiki, and the average age of the of their team must be 26 or so, the majority are experienced pros with 150+ professional games and there are no regulars under 25. A few old heads in there too eg Lisbie. Only a couple of recently added loans too. No star names though, so no sell-on value. The nucleus of that side has also been there for a while. We basically have Ward and McEveley as the old heads, Harley is in and out of the side and not really first choice. Majority are 20-22 with under 50 league games. As we know the goal this season was to not get relegated, so it will be interesting to see how Navarro, Williams et al will get replaced next season. Some experienced heads may indicate we're having a go, more youngsters may not. Power is a football man so obviously knows we need that blend of youth and experience. I guess part of the sustainability challenge is in the absence of star quality in the youth squads, to bring in talented youngsters eg Luongo, Byrne, Smith etc and see them develop and sold like Austin. All well and good but maybe Orient have the answer with pitching the squad a bit older, more experienced, less loans and also less chance of being sold. Wilesy

9:36pm Thu 30 Jan 14

joey butler says...

Wilesy wrote:
joey butler wrote:
Wilesey, your comments earlier refer,

Agree and disagree with both of you to some extent. I wasn't born when Don Rogers was playing so can't comment on that but sounds not dissimilar to Duncan Shearer in not being involved but popping up with the winner who I did see a lot of.

I appreciate your comparison between the two players and that you are not an old boy like me, but Duncan Shearer could not lace Don Rogers boots!!
Joey yes good point and apology quite possibly in order however the comparison was in reply to a comment that Don was low on work rate and high on match winning ability, and as I remember Shearer wasn't the hardest working player ever, yet scored for fun....
Wilesy,

You should not be saying sorry in any way at all, no way.

Not suggesting to wish your life away, but it is a pity you were too young to see Don Rogers play.

If I lived to be 100, which is unlikely, I doubt I would see a footballer as naturally talented as Don Rogers again, he really was incredible!
[quote][p][bold]Wilesy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]joey butler[/bold] wrote: Wilesey, your comments earlier refer, Agree and disagree with both of you to some extent. I wasn't born when Don Rogers was playing so can't comment on that but sounds not dissimilar to Duncan Shearer in not being involved but popping up with the winner who I did see a lot of. I appreciate your comparison between the two players and that you are not an old boy like me, but Duncan Shearer could not lace Don Rogers boots!![/p][/quote]Joey yes good point and apology quite possibly in order however the comparison was in reply to a comment that Don was low on work rate and high on match winning ability, and as I remember Shearer wasn't the hardest working player ever, yet scored for fun....[/p][/quote]Wilesy, You should not be saying sorry in any way at all, no way. Not suggesting to wish your life away, but it is a pity you were too young to see Don Rogers play. If I lived to be 100, which is unlikely, I doubt I would see a footballer as naturally talented as Don Rogers again, he really was incredible! joey butler

11:02pm Thu 30 Jan 14

The Jockster says...

Steve - the minus muppets are just spineless trolls who can't even be bothered to respond in a reasoned adult manner to an opinion posted by a fellow supporter and that's what we are, if we weren't , we wouldn't be on here to start with.
I personally know Mallorca from his old Swindon days and like us other old fogeys he is a Town fan through and through and as an ex-pat he deserves respect, ok sometimes he appears a tad confused about current topics re the club but hey he's relying on this site and snippets from the beeb/sky etc. and the lad deserves a break from undeserved stick from morons whose combined IQ is less than an amoeba. Fully with you on this one Steve.
Steve - the minus muppets are just spineless trolls who can't even be bothered to respond in a reasoned adult manner to an opinion posted by a fellow supporter and that's what we are, if we weren't , we wouldn't be on here to start with. I personally know Mallorca from his old Swindon days and like us other old fogeys he is a Town fan through and through and as an ex-pat he deserves respect, ok sometimes he appears a tad confused about current topics re the club but hey he's relying on this site and snippets from the beeb/sky etc. and the lad deserves a break from undeserved stick from morons whose combined IQ is less than an amoeba. Fully with you on this one Steve. The Jockster

12:09am Fri 31 Jan 14

Wilesy says...

joey butler wrote:
Wilesy wrote:
joey butler wrote:
Wilesey, your comments earlier refer,

Agree and disagree with both of you to some extent. I wasn't born when Don Rogers was playing so can't comment on that but sounds not dissimilar to Duncan Shearer in not being involved but popping up with the winner who I did see a lot of.

I appreciate your comparison between the two players and that you are not an old boy like me, but Duncan Shearer could not lace Don Rogers boots!!
Joey yes good point and apology quite possibly in order however the comparison was in reply to a comment that Don was low on work rate and high on match winning ability, and as I remember Shearer wasn't the hardest working player ever, yet scored for fun....
Wilesy,

You should not be saying sorry in any way at all, no way.

Not suggesting to wish your life away, but it is a pity you were too young to see Don Rogers play.

If I lived to be 100, which is unlikely, I doubt I would see a footballer as naturally talented as Don Rogers again, he really was incredible!
Yes I wish I had seen the great man in action, hopefully we will see someone of that calibre again!
[quote][p][bold]joey butler[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Wilesy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]joey butler[/bold] wrote: Wilesey, your comments earlier refer, Agree and disagree with both of you to some extent. I wasn't born when Don Rogers was playing so can't comment on that but sounds not dissimilar to Duncan Shearer in not being involved but popping up with the winner who I did see a lot of. I appreciate your comparison between the two players and that you are not an old boy like me, but Duncan Shearer could not lace Don Rogers boots!![/p][/quote]Joey yes good point and apology quite possibly in order however the comparison was in reply to a comment that Don was low on work rate and high on match winning ability, and as I remember Shearer wasn't the hardest working player ever, yet scored for fun....[/p][/quote]Wilesy, You should not be saying sorry in any way at all, no way. Not suggesting to wish your life away, but it is a pity you were too young to see Don Rogers play. If I lived to be 100, which is unlikely, I doubt I would see a footballer as naturally talented as Don Rogers again, he really was incredible![/p][/quote]Yes I wish I had seen the great man in action, hopefully we will see someone of that calibre again! Wilesy

3:26pm Fri 31 Jan 14

Steve. Brentford says...

Thanks for the feedback Gents, i know i could of been more diplomatic in my posting however i wear my heart on my sleeve and have never turned a blind eye when thinking someone is being wronged unnecessarily be it on here or in my everyday life. C`mon Smudger another couple of goals this weekend will set you on your way to becoming a firm favourite with the town faithful, if you are not already that is...
Thanks for the feedback Gents, i know i could of been more diplomatic in my posting however i wear my heart on my sleeve and have never turned a blind eye when thinking someone is being wronged unnecessarily be it on here or in my everyday life. C`mon Smudger another couple of goals this weekend will set you on your way to becoming a firm favourite with the town faithful, if you are not already that is... Steve. Brentford

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