SWINDON TOWN: We could have played all night without scoring - Cooper

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SWINDON Town manager Mark Cooper conceded his team could have played all through last night without scoring after watching the Robins slip to a 2-0 defeat at Stevenage.

Despite an encouraging start to proceedings at the Lamex Stadium, Town were meek overall and were punished by a Boro side that went into the game without a League One victory in seven attempts.

Goals from Lucas Akins and Filipe Morais, from the penalty spot, were more than enough to win the tie as Swindon struggled to create meaningful chances in front of goal – much to the frustration of Cooper.

With the Advertiser barred from asking questions to Town players and management after the game following the banning of the club from the County Ground by owner Lee Power, the Robins boss told BBC Wiltshire: “I think we’d have been there all night and we wouldn’t have scored, to be honest. That was just the way it went.

“We tried to play and we tried to change it from the bench but it was just a disappointing night.

“That’s the frustrating side to us. We have two games where we perform to a decent level and then we go away and over-play at times and make bad decisions and concede sloppy goals. That’s not us but maybe this season that’s the way it has to be while it’s still a work in progress and the younger players are still learning.

“We made bad decisions today. Young Alex (Pritchard) has tried to get a ball on the edge of the box and he’s tried to flick it first time when he should control it. The second one Grant Hall has made a bad mistake and kicked the ball straight at their player and then brings him down for a penalty.

“In the first half we had three really good chances and we played some really good football. Nile Ranger had a really good chance, Alex Pritchard had a good chance, Nathan Thompson got in a few times but we didn’t produce a good finish. If you don’t take those chances against a team that is struggling you give them confidence.”

George Barker came off the bench to make his Town debut following his arrival from Brighton & Hove Albion last week and impressed with his energy and trickery.

“He showed a couple of glimpses when he came on and cut inside and looked as though he was going to open them up and they got a couple of blocks in,” said Cooper. “George is another one who is learning the game.”

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6:31am Wed 15 Jan 14

LeGod says...

Our players thought they just had to turn up as we were playing the bottom side. Typical of our side no desire no commitment and no excuse for this pathetic embarrassing performance and summed it up for me were no where near good enough for a pay off place. We've lost more games than Bristol City I who are in the bottom four.
You haven't sorted out MC our away form and if you can't so it at Stevenage you never will.
Our players thought they just had to turn up as we were playing the bottom side. Typical of our side no desire no commitment and no excuse for this pathetic embarrassing performance and summed it up for me were no where near good enough for a pay off place. We've lost more games than Bristol City I who are in the bottom four. You haven't sorted out MC our away form and if you can't so it at Stevenage you never will. LeGod
  • Score: 17

6:37am Wed 15 Jan 14

smirg kcab says...

LeGod wrote:
Our players thought they just had to turn up as we were playing the bottom side. Typical of our side no desire no commitment and no excuse for this pathetic embarrassing performance and summed it up for me were no where near good enough for a pay off place. We've lost more games than Bristol City I who are in the bottom four.
You haven't sorted out MC our away form and if you can't so it at Stevenage you never will.
Everyone knows playing ward and hall away will never work.
Both dire, untill we address this as cooper said we need to accept it
[quote][p][bold]LeGod[/bold] wrote: Our players thought they just had to turn up as we were playing the bottom side. Typical of our side no desire no commitment and no excuse for this pathetic embarrassing performance and summed it up for me were no where near good enough for a pay off place. We've lost more games than Bristol City I who are in the bottom four. You haven't sorted out MC our away form and if you can't so it at Stevenage you never will.[/p][/quote]Everyone knows playing ward and hall away will never work. Both dire, untill we address this as cooper said we need to accept it smirg kcab
  • Score: 16

7:19am Wed 15 Jan 14

sadgit says...

Getting a bit tired of hearing the age thing as an excuse.
Time to drop Hall as he has proved to be lacking in whatever position he plays.
Gifted the goals again it seems.
Getting a bit tired of hearing the age thing as an excuse. Time to drop Hall as he has proved to be lacking in whatever position he plays. Gifted the goals again it seems. sadgit
  • Score: 15

7:40am Wed 15 Jan 14

Since 1950 says...

Going off topic, as there is little else to be said about last nights result, has anyone been following the tennis from Melbourne?

Water bottles melting. Players fainting during the game and vomiting on court. Ball boys suffering from heat exhaustion and spectators needing hospital treatment from the searing 40c heat.

HOW THE HELL DID FIFA EVER EXPECT TO HOLD A FOOTBALL WORLD CUP IN 50c TEMPERATURES IN QATAR? Utter madness!!
Going off topic, as there is little else to be said about last nights result, has anyone been following the tennis from Melbourne? Water bottles melting. Players fainting during the game and vomiting on court. Ball boys suffering from heat exhaustion and spectators needing hospital treatment from the searing 40c heat. HOW THE HELL DID FIFA EVER EXPECT TO HOLD A FOOTBALL WORLD CUP IN 50c TEMPERATURES IN QATAR? Utter madness!! Since 1950
  • Score: 7

7:45am Wed 15 Jan 14

avo says...

Inconsistency has been the theme all season so far and I don't expect it to change for the remainder. I still think we'll be in league 1 next season, and that is when I would expect to look back on this season as crucial in the rebuilding of the club from the ground up.
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I live in hope that next season will be when the club pushes on and makes a realistic attempt to reach the next level.
Inconsistency has been the theme all season so far and I don't expect it to change for the remainder. I still think we'll be in league 1 next season, and that is when I would expect to look back on this season as crucial in the rebuilding of the club from the ground up. . I live in hope that next season will be when the club pushes on and makes a realistic attempt to reach the next level. avo
  • Score: 7

7:53am Wed 15 Jan 14

Since 1950 says...

avo wrote:
Inconsistency has been the theme all season so far and I don't expect it to change for the remainder. I still think we'll be in league 1 next season, and that is when I would expect to look back on this season as crucial in the rebuilding of the club from the ground up.
.
I live in hope that next season will be when the club pushes on and makes a realistic attempt to reach the next level.
Avo. I am sure that is how the majority of us feel and what we hope for. However, I am now less optimistic. Sam Morshead put his finger on it with his weekend commentary. We have no money for a realistic push to the Championship. I am afraid our future lies in loans and youngsters. Unless another sugar daddy turns up the best we can expect is continued life in the '3rd division'.
[quote][p][bold]avo[/bold] wrote: Inconsistency has been the theme all season so far and I don't expect it to change for the remainder. I still think we'll be in league 1 next season, and that is when I would expect to look back on this season as crucial in the rebuilding of the club from the ground up. . I live in hope that next season will be when the club pushes on and makes a realistic attempt to reach the next level.[/p][/quote]Avo. I am sure that is how the majority of us feel and what we hope for. However, I am now less optimistic. Sam Morshead put his finger on it with his weekend commentary. We have no money for a realistic push to the Championship. I am afraid our future lies in loans and youngsters. Unless another sugar daddy turns up the best we can expect is continued life in the '3rd division'. Since 1950
  • Score: 4

7:56am Wed 15 Jan 14

Graham8181 says...

I see Peterbotough got knocked out of cup last night by non league Kidderminster. Can't see Ferguson being in charge much longer haha. Where will daddy get him a job next?!?
I see Peterbotough got knocked out of cup last night by non league Kidderminster. Can't see Ferguson being in charge much longer haha. Where will daddy get him a job next?!? Graham8181
  • Score: 2

7:57am Wed 15 Jan 14

Graham8181 says...

Since 1950 wrote:
Going off topic, as there is little else to be said about last nights result, has anyone been following the tennis from Melbourne?

Water bottles melting. Players fainting during the game and vomiting on court. Ball boys suffering from heat exhaustion and spectators needing hospital treatment from the searing 40c heat.

HOW THE HELL DID FIFA EVER EXPECT TO HOLD A FOOTBALL WORLD CUP IN 50c TEMPERATURES IN QATAR? Utter madness!!
Yeah saw this lots players giving up during their games. One guy said the temperature is inhumane and a few people fainting.
[quote][p][bold]Since 1950[/bold] wrote: Going off topic, as there is little else to be said about last nights result, has anyone been following the tennis from Melbourne? Water bottles melting. Players fainting during the game and vomiting on court. Ball boys suffering from heat exhaustion and spectators needing hospital treatment from the searing 40c heat. HOW THE HELL DID FIFA EVER EXPECT TO HOLD A FOOTBALL WORLD CUP IN 50c TEMPERATURES IN QATAR? Utter madness!![/p][/quote]Yeah saw this lots players giving up during their games. One guy said the temperature is inhumane and a few people fainting. Graham8181
  • Score: 0

8:04am Wed 15 Jan 14

red white says...

Even non league Kidder beat the Posh last night and scored 3 away.
Even non league Kidder beat the Posh last night and scored 3 away. red white
  • Score: 2

8:19am Wed 15 Jan 14

bradley red 1 says...

Excuses like you keep spouting will in the end cost you your job cooper,fingers crossed.
Excuses like you keep spouting will in the end cost you your job cooper,fingers crossed. bradley red 1
  • Score: -21

8:41am Wed 15 Jan 14

Chish and Fips says...

bradley red 1 wrote:
Excuses like you keep spouting will in the end cost you your job cooper,fingers crossed.
You made your point weeks ago about MC - why do you incessantly keep repeating yourself.
We get your point and whether we agree with it is another thing.
Please be more constructive - and at least put some sensible suggestions of your plans or thoughts of who you have in mind, where all the monies are going to be coming from to pay for this etc.. etc. forward, that you must have to hand after all this time of spouting off.
[quote][p][bold]bradley red 1[/bold] wrote: Excuses like you keep spouting will in the end cost you your job cooper,fingers crossed.[/p][/quote]You made your point weeks ago about MC - why do you incessantly keep repeating yourself. We get your point and whether we agree with it is another thing. Please be more constructive - and at least put some sensible suggestions of your plans or thoughts of who you have in mind, where all the monies are going to be coming from to pay for this etc.. etc. forward, that you must have to hand after all this time of spouting off. Chish and Fips
  • Score: 9

8:42am Wed 15 Jan 14

LeGod says...

Dear Mr Cooper - you can have games where the play below par and the forwards never look like scoring but at least keep the back door shut and play out for a point something we have failed to do all season and Stevenage who cant score goals for toffee scored two against us that is how bad defensively we are. Another away game saturday which i was planning on going to but if the players cant be bothered as they werent last night then i cant be for saturday and i predict another loss which will make it 11 games.
The excuse of age is absolute rubbish you are the manager MC it is your job to motivate we had the chance last night to close the gap on the top 6 and after last night we are no where near good enough for the top 6.
If some of these players really think they are better than L1 then im afraid they need to take a long hard look at themselves because i can tell you at this moment in time none of them are.
I give praise to MC and the players when we perform well and they rightly deserve criticism for last nights performance.
Dear Mr Cooper - you can have games where the play below par and the forwards never look like scoring but at least keep the back door shut and play out for a point something we have failed to do all season and Stevenage who cant score goals for toffee scored two against us that is how bad defensively we are. Another away game saturday which i was planning on going to but if the players cant be bothered as they werent last night then i cant be for saturday and i predict another loss which will make it 11 games. The excuse of age is absolute rubbish you are the manager MC it is your job to motivate we had the chance last night to close the gap on the top 6 and after last night we are no where near good enough for the top 6. If some of these players really think they are better than L1 then im afraid they need to take a long hard look at themselves because i can tell you at this moment in time none of them are. I give praise to MC and the players when we perform well and they rightly deserve criticism for last nights performance. LeGod
  • Score: 16

8:56am Wed 15 Jan 14

umpcah says...

Since 1950 wrote:
avo wrote:
Inconsistency has been the theme all season so far and I don't expect it to change for the remainder. I still think we'll be in league 1 next season, and that is when I would expect to look back on this season as crucial in the rebuilding of the club from the ground up.
.
I live in hope that next season will be when the club pushes on and makes a realistic attempt to reach the next level.
Avo. I am sure that is how the majority of us feel and what we hope for. However, I am now less optimistic. Sam Morshead put his finger on it with his weekend commentary. We have no money for a realistic push to the Championship. I am afraid our future lies in loans and youngsters. Unless another sugar daddy turns up the best we can expect is continued life in the '3rd division'.
These two postings echo my thoughts entirely. If anyone mentions the possibility of playoffs I shall scream ! Our squad is not as good as Yeovil were a season ago and despite having a good manager they are really struggling in the Championship. I consider myself used to " 3rd Division " footie ; and alas consider Swindon Town a typical " 3rd Division " club and likely to remain so.
[quote][p][bold]Since 1950[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]avo[/bold] wrote: Inconsistency has been the theme all season so far and I don't expect it to change for the remainder. I still think we'll be in league 1 next season, and that is when I would expect to look back on this season as crucial in the rebuilding of the club from the ground up. . I live in hope that next season will be when the club pushes on and makes a realistic attempt to reach the next level.[/p][/quote]Avo. I am sure that is how the majority of us feel and what we hope for. However, I am now less optimistic. Sam Morshead put his finger on it with his weekend commentary. We have no money for a realistic push to the Championship. I am afraid our future lies in loans and youngsters. Unless another sugar daddy turns up the best we can expect is continued life in the '3rd division'.[/p][/quote]These two postings echo my thoughts entirely. If anyone mentions the possibility of playoffs I shall scream ! Our squad is not as good as Yeovil were a season ago and despite having a good manager they are really struggling in the Championship. I consider myself used to " 3rd Division " footie ; and alas consider Swindon Town a typical " 3rd Division " club and likely to remain so. umpcah
  • Score: 11

9:02am Wed 15 Jan 14

Chish and Fips says...

umpcah wrote:
Since 1950 wrote:
avo wrote:
Inconsistency has been the theme all season so far and I don't expect it to change for the remainder. I still think we'll be in league 1 next season, and that is when I would expect to look back on this season as crucial in the rebuilding of the club from the ground up.
.
I live in hope that next season will be when the club pushes on and makes a realistic attempt to reach the next level.
Avo. I am sure that is how the majority of us feel and what we hope for. However, I am now less optimistic. Sam Morshead put his finger on it with his weekend commentary. We have no money for a realistic push to the Championship. I am afraid our future lies in loans and youngsters. Unless another sugar daddy turns up the best we can expect is continued life in the '3rd division'.
These two postings echo my thoughts entirely. If anyone mentions the possibility of playoffs I shall scream ! Our squad is not as good as Yeovil were a season ago and despite having a good manager they are really struggling in the Championship. I consider myself used to " 3rd Division " footie ; and alas consider Swindon Town a typical " 3rd Division " club and likely to remain so.
Sorry to say Umpcah but totally agree, for us to go up via the play-offs would be probably an embarrassing disaster.
With the loans going as well at the end of season to rebuild on limited resources is courting disaster IMO.
[quote][p][bold]umpcah[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Since 1950[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]avo[/bold] wrote: Inconsistency has been the theme all season so far and I don't expect it to change for the remainder. I still think we'll be in league 1 next season, and that is when I would expect to look back on this season as crucial in the rebuilding of the club from the ground up. . I live in hope that next season will be when the club pushes on and makes a realistic attempt to reach the next level.[/p][/quote]Avo. I am sure that is how the majority of us feel and what we hope for. However, I am now less optimistic. Sam Morshead put his finger on it with his weekend commentary. We have no money for a realistic push to the Championship. I am afraid our future lies in loans and youngsters. Unless another sugar daddy turns up the best we can expect is continued life in the '3rd division'.[/p][/quote]These two postings echo my thoughts entirely. If anyone mentions the possibility of playoffs I shall scream ! Our squad is not as good as Yeovil were a season ago and despite having a good manager they are really struggling in the Championship. I consider myself used to " 3rd Division " footie ; and alas consider Swindon Town a typical " 3rd Division " club and likely to remain so.[/p][/quote]Sorry to say Umpcah but totally agree, for us to go up via the play-offs would be probably an embarrassing disaster. With the loans going as well at the end of season to rebuild on limited resources is courting disaster IMO. Chish and Fips
  • Score: -1

9:18am Wed 15 Jan 14

MarksDad says...

bradley red 1 wrote:
Excuses like you keep spouting will in the end cost you your job cooper,fingers crossed.
Idiot!
[quote][p][bold]bradley red 1[/bold] wrote: Excuses like you keep spouting will in the end cost you your job cooper,fingers crossed.[/p][/quote]Idiot! MarksDad
  • Score: 4

9:23am Wed 15 Jan 14

The Jockster says...

Avo 1950 and Umps between the three of you we have it in a nutshell. No money to spend reliant on loans and freebie pickups(maybe we'll win the lottery and unearth a gem!) some players out there who show no spirit or desire for a fight to get stuck in and battle for a result. I've said before that we're nowhere near as good as some people think we are.
Avo 1950 and Umps between the three of you we have it in a nutshell. No money to spend reliant on loans and freebie pickups(maybe we'll win the lottery and unearth a gem!) some players out there who show no spirit or desire for a fight to get stuck in and battle for a result. I've said before that we're nowhere near as good as some people think we are. The Jockster
  • Score: -1

9:30am Wed 15 Jan 14

Chish and Fips says...

The Jockster wrote:
Avo 1950 and Umps between the three of you we have it in a nutshell. No money to spend reliant on loans and freebie pickups(maybe we'll win the lottery and unearth a gem!) some players out there who show no spirit or desire for a fight to get stuck in and battle for a result. I've said before that we're nowhere near as good as some people think we are.
Hopefully Brad Red 1 and Harley Red have all the answers..... wouldn't hold your breath though....
[quote][p][bold]The Jockster[/bold] wrote: Avo 1950 and Umps between the three of you we have it in a nutshell. No money to spend reliant on loans and freebie pickups(maybe we'll win the lottery and unearth a gem!) some players out there who show no spirit or desire for a fight to get stuck in and battle for a result. I've said before that we're nowhere near as good as some people think we are.[/p][/quote]Hopefully Brad Red 1 and Harley Red have all the answers..... wouldn't hold your breath though.... Chish and Fips
  • Score: 1

9:48am Wed 15 Jan 14

scooby69 says...

I’ve just listened to Graham Westley post match interview on the BBC football web site. “You could see their plan A and if you get on top of that, they have no plan B”.

It really time to sort out our away form please Mr Cooper.
Only 2 wins all season. 3 if you count the league cup.
Not good enough for play-offs.
Come up with a plan B quick !!!!!!!!!
I’ve just listened to Graham Westley post match interview on the BBC football web site. “You could see their plan A and if you get on top of that, they have no plan B”. It really time to sort out our away form please Mr Cooper. Only 2 wins all season. 3 if you count the league cup. Not good enough for play-offs. Come up with a plan B quick !!!!!!!!! scooby69
  • Score: 2

9:48am Wed 15 Jan 14

Adelaide Red says...

Graham8181 wrote:
Since 1950 wrote:
Going off topic, as there is little else to be said about last nights result, has anyone been following the tennis from Melbourne?

Water bottles melting. Players fainting during the game and vomiting on court. Ball boys suffering from heat exhaustion and spectators needing hospital treatment from the searing 40c heat.

HOW THE HELL DID FIFA EVER EXPECT TO HOLD A FOOTBALL WORLD CUP IN 50c TEMPERATURES IN QATAR? Utter madness!!
Yeah saw this lots players giving up during their games. One guy said the temperature is inhumane and a few people fainting.
The only reason Qatar got the World Cup was a massive back hander. There is no way that you can expect professional footballers to play in 50 degrees heat. 46 degrees here in Adelaide today and like a hair dryer blow in your face and even with the air on for the last 4 hrs can't get the house temp under 28 degrees. It's a heat wave and excessive even for this time of the year.
[quote][p][bold]Graham8181[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Since 1950[/bold] wrote: Going off topic, as there is little else to be said about last nights result, has anyone been following the tennis from Melbourne? Water bottles melting. Players fainting during the game and vomiting on court. Ball boys suffering from heat exhaustion and spectators needing hospital treatment from the searing 40c heat. HOW THE HELL DID FIFA EVER EXPECT TO HOLD A FOOTBALL WORLD CUP IN 50c TEMPERATURES IN QATAR? Utter madness!![/p][/quote]Yeah saw this lots players giving up during their games. One guy said the temperature is inhumane and a few people fainting.[/p][/quote]The only reason Qatar got the World Cup was a massive back hander. There is no way that you can expect professional footballers to play in 50 degrees heat. 46 degrees here in Adelaide today and like a hair dryer blow in your face and even with the air on for the last 4 hrs can't get the house temp under 28 degrees. It's a heat wave and excessive even for this time of the year. Adelaide Red
  • Score: 2

9:48am Wed 15 Jan 14

umpcah says...

Will someone tell us a good joke to cheer us up today ?
Will someone tell us a good joke to cheer us up today ? umpcah
  • Score: 2

9:50am Wed 15 Jan 14

Cookie43 says...

bradley red 1 wrote:
Excuses like you keep spouting will in the end cost you your job cooper,fingers crossed.
Bradley Red you really are a total Dick!
You are nothing but a disgrace You are not a Town fan !.
Your constant disgusting attacking comments really are the lowest of the low.
NO true fan would attack the club, players, manager and owners like you do.
If it disgusts you that much then just Pi.. Off and to the club and the rest of us a favour and do not come back. I say again you are not a town fan you are a internet troll!! using a keyboard to post vile comments i bet you would to scared to confront them and say it to their faces. last night you attacked players club and manager. We are a poor money wise club and at the moment we are in the top 10 punching above our weight. at the beginning of the season after al the crap we had to deal with basically a new squad i would of been over the moon with a mid table safe finish yet we find ourselves just of the play offs. Peterborough had a 1.2 million striker and we beat them!
We can not compete with other clubs even Rotherham beat us to the signing of Thomas we have to live on a shoestring budget. You live in a dream world if you think we can bring in bigger and better players. So change your name to Bradley Yellow because thats where i believe your loyalties really lie.
[quote][p][bold]bradley red 1[/bold] wrote: Excuses like you keep spouting will in the end cost you your job cooper,fingers crossed.[/p][/quote]Bradley Red you really are a total Dick! You are nothing but a disgrace You are not a Town fan !. Your constant disgusting attacking comments really are the lowest of the low. NO true fan would attack the club, players, manager and owners like you do. If it disgusts you that much then just Pi.. Off and to the club and the rest of us a favour and do not come back. I say again you are not a town fan you are a internet troll!! using a keyboard to post vile comments i bet you would to scared to confront them and say it to their faces. last night you attacked players club and manager. We are a poor money wise club and at the moment we are in the top 10 punching above our weight. at the beginning of the season after al the crap we had to deal with basically a new squad i would of been over the moon with a mid table safe finish yet we find ourselves just of the play offs. Peterborough had a 1.2 million striker and we beat them! We can not compete with other clubs even Rotherham beat us to the signing of Thomas we have to live on a shoestring budget. You live in a dream world if you think we can bring in bigger and better players. So change your name to Bradley Yellow because thats where i believe your loyalties really lie. Cookie43
  • Score: 2

9:52am Wed 15 Jan 14

you gots ta be kidding me says...

Its not about bringing in more players, that was the PDC way of thinking, its about getting the best out of what we have, which is a very talented and exciting first 11, Luongo, Kassim, Mason, Pritchard, great players in this league, Nguesson and Ranger, 2 of the best forwards in this league, Hall well enough has been said about him, but look at the overall squad and we should be higher IMO, so has MC got what it takes, I dont think he has done a bad job, but would we have been better off with a proven manager with experience probably... For me its the lack of motivation the players show away from home, they dont put the same effort in that they do at home, if anything you should have to work harder away.

I have supported Town for 30 years and we have always raised our game against the big teams and lost to the bottom teams, we shouldnt be losing to a dire team like last night, but they were up for it we werent mid table at best, but I would have taken that at the start of theseason so MEH!!
Its not about bringing in more players, that was the PDC way of thinking, its about getting the best out of what we have, which is a very talented and exciting first 11, Luongo, Kassim, Mason, Pritchard, great players in this league, Nguesson and Ranger, 2 of the best forwards in this league, Hall well enough has been said about him, but look at the overall squad and we should be higher IMO, so has MC got what it takes, I dont think he has done a bad job, but would we have been better off with a proven manager with experience probably... For me its the lack of motivation the players show away from home, they dont put the same effort in that they do at home, if anything you should have to work harder away. I have supported Town for 30 years and we have always raised our game against the big teams and lost to the bottom teams, we shouldnt be losing to a dire team like last night, but they were up for it we werent mid table at best, but I would have taken that at the start of theseason so MEH!! you gots ta be kidding me
  • Score: 6

9:53am Wed 15 Jan 14

Since 1950 says...

scooby69 wrote:
I’ve just listened to Graham Westley post match interview on the BBC football web site. “You could see their plan A and if you get on top of that, they have no plan B”.

It really time to sort out our away form please Mr Cooper.
Only 2 wins all season. 3 if you count the league cup.
Not good enough for play-offs.
Come up with a plan B quick !!!!!!!!!
Says it all really. We've been sussed.
[quote][p][bold]scooby69[/bold] wrote: I’ve just listened to Graham Westley post match interview on the BBC football web site. “You could see their plan A and if you get on top of that, they have no plan B”. It really time to sort out our away form please Mr Cooper. Only 2 wins all season. 3 if you count the league cup. Not good enough for play-offs. Come up with a plan B quick !!!!!!!!![/p][/quote]Says it all really. We've been sussed. Since 1950
  • Score: 1

10:03am Wed 15 Jan 14

Since 1950 says...

you gots ta be kidding me wrote:
Its not about bringing in more players, that was the PDC way of thinking, its about getting the best out of what we have, which is a very talented and exciting first 11, Luongo, Kassim, Mason, Pritchard, great players in this league, Nguesson and Ranger, 2 of the best forwards in this league, Hall well enough has been said about him, but look at the overall squad and we should be higher IMO, so has MC got what it takes, I dont think he has done a bad job, but would we have been better off with a proven manager with experience probably... For me its the lack of motivation the players show away from home, they dont put the same effort in that they do at home, if anything you should have to work harder away.

I have supported Town for 30 years and we have always raised our game against the big teams and lost to the bottom teams, we shouldnt be losing to a dire team like last night, but they were up for it we werent mid table at best, but I would have taken that at the start of theseason so MEH!!
A lot of truth in that post. However, I also would have settled for a mid table finish at the start of the season so whether we should be higher in the league than we are now is open to debate.

As I said in a post last night after the game. We have an inexperienced squad with loans and youngsters learning their trade. We also have an inexperienced manager learning his. I'm not sure that is altogether a good formula. However, it's what we can afford and where we are.
[quote][p][bold]you gots ta be kidding me[/bold] wrote: Its not about bringing in more players, that was the PDC way of thinking, its about getting the best out of what we have, which is a very talented and exciting first 11, Luongo, Kassim, Mason, Pritchard, great players in this league, Nguesson and Ranger, 2 of the best forwards in this league, Hall well enough has been said about him, but look at the overall squad and we should be higher IMO, so has MC got what it takes, I dont think he has done a bad job, but would we have been better off with a proven manager with experience probably... For me its the lack of motivation the players show away from home, they dont put the same effort in that they do at home, if anything you should have to work harder away. I have supported Town for 30 years and we have always raised our game against the big teams and lost to the bottom teams, we shouldnt be losing to a dire team like last night, but they were up for it we werent mid table at best, but I would have taken that at the start of theseason so MEH!![/p][/quote]A lot of truth in that post. However, I also would have settled for a mid table finish at the start of the season so whether we should be higher in the league than we are now is open to debate. As I said in a post last night after the game. We have an inexperienced squad with loans and youngsters learning their trade. We also have an inexperienced manager learning his. I'm not sure that is altogether a good formula. However, it's what we can afford and where we are. Since 1950
  • Score: 1

10:06am Wed 15 Jan 14

the don69 says...

umpcah wrote:
Will someone tell us a good joke to cheer us up today ?
A cr@p football team is like an old bra-no cups and little support!!
[quote][p][bold]umpcah[/bold] wrote: Will someone tell us a good joke to cheer us up today ?[/p][/quote]A cr@p football team is like an old bra-no cups and little support!! the don69
  • Score: 6

10:11am Wed 15 Jan 14

mrwoo says...

Paulo prepared for every match properly. Cooper is not a manager, clueless.
How many videos of the opposition has he watched, how has he tweaked the team and style of play to win the game?
He seems to think it's all a big laugh and probably has the safest job in football.
Paulo prepared for every match properly. Cooper is not a manager, clueless. How many videos of the opposition has he watched, how has he tweaked the team and style of play to win the game? He seems to think it's all a big laugh and probably has the safest job in football. mrwoo
  • Score: -7

10:16am Wed 15 Jan 14

itslove says...

Club is going wrong direction on and off the field. Losing to the bottom club is disgusting. We will be lucky to get in the the play offs now . Our confidence knocked badly , other teams knowing we are well beatable. Then the off field antics of Lee Power . His aggression toward the Adver . And him being soft with Ranger . Ranger should be on his bike . This club never lerarns .
Club is going wrong direction on and off the field. Losing to the bottom club is disgusting. We will be lucky to get in the the play offs now . Our confidence knocked badly , other teams knowing we are well beatable. Then the off field antics of Lee Power . His aggression toward the Adver . And him being soft with Ranger . Ranger should be on his bike . This club never lerarns . itslove
  • Score: -11

10:28am Wed 15 Jan 14

Psychedelic Syd says...

umpcah wrote:
Will someone tell us a good joke to cheer us up today ?
Two women were sitting quietly together minding their own business............
[quote][p][bold]umpcah[/bold] wrote: Will someone tell us a good joke to cheer us up today ?[/p][/quote]Two women were sitting quietly together minding their own business............ Psychedelic Syd
  • Score: 2

10:28am Wed 15 Jan 14

you gots ta be kidding me says...

Since 1950 wrote:
scooby69 wrote: I’ve just listened to Graham Westley post match interview on the BBC football web site. “You could see their plan A and if you get on top of that, they have no plan B”. It really time to sort out our away form please Mr Cooper. Only 2 wins all season. 3 if you count the league cup. Not good enough for play-offs. Come up with a plan B quick !!!!!!!!!
Says it all really. We've been sussed.
I thought our plan B was to pack the midfield and play 4-6-0 but that doesn't work either because our defence cant keep a clean sheet.
[quote][p][bold]Since 1950[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]scooby69[/bold] wrote: I’ve just listened to Graham Westley post match interview on the BBC football web site. “You could see their plan A and if you get on top of that, they have no plan B”. It really time to sort out our away form please Mr Cooper. Only 2 wins all season. 3 if you count the league cup. Not good enough for play-offs. Come up with a plan B quick !!!!!!!!![/p][/quote]Says it all really. We've been sussed.[/p][/quote]I thought our plan B was to pack the midfield and play 4-6-0 but that doesn't work either because our defence cant keep a clean sheet. you gots ta be kidding me
  • Score: 2

10:29am Wed 15 Jan 14

umpcah says...

the don69 wrote:
umpcah wrote:
Will someone tell us a good joke to cheer us up today ?
A cr@p football team is like an old bra-no cups and little support!!
Thanks Don. That`s helped a bit !
[quote][p][bold]the don69[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]umpcah[/bold] wrote: Will someone tell us a good joke to cheer us up today ?[/p][/quote]A cr@p football team is like an old bra-no cups and little support!![/p][/quote]Thanks Don. That`s helped a bit ! umpcah
  • Score: 0

10:45am Wed 15 Jan 14

spiker71 says...

I agree with Jockster we are nowhere as good as we think we are.

Last night is exactly the match you show your credentials as a side to be in with a shout at the end of the season.

The top teams beat each other and share the points around over the season.

You win the League or are up there chasing when you win the cold mid-week Dec/Jan/Feb battles.

It`s happening far to often and please don`t give me the they are young and learning line. Whatever age rollin up your sleeves and doing the hard graft to earn the right to play is rule 1 now, when I played and before I was born.

We have very little backbone and until that is addressed we will continue to lose when teams get amongst us.
I agree with Jockster we are nowhere as good as we think we are. Last night is exactly the match you show your credentials as a side to be in with a shout at the end of the season. The top teams beat each other and share the points around over the season. You win the League or are up there chasing when you win the cold mid-week Dec/Jan/Feb battles. It`s happening far to often and please don`t give me the they are young and learning line. Whatever age rollin up your sleeves and doing the hard graft to earn the right to play is rule 1 now, when I played and before I was born. We have very little backbone and until that is addressed we will continue to lose when teams get amongst us. spiker71
  • Score: -1

10:50am Wed 15 Jan 14

umpcah says...

Psychedelic Syd wrote:
umpcah wrote:
Will someone tell us a good joke to cheer us up today ?
Two women were sitting quietly together minding their own business............
That could just be a rumour !
[quote][p][bold]Psychedelic Syd[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]umpcah[/bold] wrote: Will someone tell us a good joke to cheer us up today ?[/p][/quote]Two women were sitting quietly together minding their own business............[/p][/quote]That could just be a rumour ! umpcah
  • Score: 0

10:59am Wed 15 Jan 14

harley red says...

bradley red 1 wrote:
Excuses like you keep spouting will in the end cost you your job cooper,fingers crossed.
The same old same old story a work in progress and we are over half way in the season , COOPER should leave and take POWER with him . Why keep playing ward and hall it's a joke , send hall back to spurs and sit ward in the dressing room . The football we play is not that good 15 / 20 passes and no penatration it does not work . The truth of the matter is the players are not good enough and that is a fact . Our football is so slow that the other team sits in front of us and says break us down , and it does not happen we are not good enough .
[quote][p][bold]bradley red 1[/bold] wrote: Excuses like you keep spouting will in the end cost you your job cooper,fingers crossed.[/p][/quote]The same old same old story a work in progress and we are over half way in the season , COOPER should leave and take POWER with him . Why keep playing ward and hall it's a joke , send hall back to spurs and sit ward in the dressing room . The football we play is not that good 15 / 20 passes and no penatration it does not work . The truth of the matter is the players are not good enough and that is a fact . Our football is so slow that the other team sits in front of us and says break us down , and it does not happen we are not good enough . harley red
  • Score: 0

11:01am Wed 15 Jan 14

the don69 says...

umpcah wrote:
Psychedelic Syd wrote:
umpcah wrote:
Will someone tell us a good joke to cheer us up today ?
Two women were sitting quietly together minding their own business............
That could just be a rumour !
Syd's telling porky's that just don't happen! lol!!!!!!
[quote][p][bold]umpcah[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Psychedelic Syd[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]umpcah[/bold] wrote: Will someone tell us a good joke to cheer us up today ?[/p][/quote]Two women were sitting quietly together minding their own business............[/p][/quote]That could just be a rumour ![/p][/quote]Syd's telling porky's that just don't happen! lol!!!!!! the don69
  • Score: 0

11:08am Wed 15 Jan 14

The Jockster says...

mrwoo wrote:
Paulo prepared for every match properly. Cooper is not a manager, clueless.
How many videos of the opposition has he watched, how has he tweaked the team and style of play to win the game?
He seems to think it's all a big laugh and probably has the safest job in football.
Paolo prepared pretty well too - who's Paulo?

1950- we were sussed a long time by teams who stifled our pretty tippy tappy- Shrews, Walsall, Preston ....and all the others where we lost. As someone pointed out earlier we've lost more games than Bristol City ...not good!
[quote][p][bold]mrwoo[/bold] wrote: Paulo prepared for every match properly. Cooper is not a manager, clueless. How many videos of the opposition has he watched, how has he tweaked the team and style of play to win the game? He seems to think it's all a big laugh and probably has the safest job in football.[/p][/quote]Paolo prepared pretty well too - who's Paulo? 1950- we were sussed a long time by teams who stifled our pretty tippy tappy- Shrews, Walsall, Preston ....and all the others where we lost. As someone pointed out earlier we've lost more games than Bristol City ...not good! The Jockster
  • Score: -1

11:12am Wed 15 Jan 14

harley red says...

Cookie43 wrote:
bradley red 1 wrote:
Excuses like you keep spouting will in the end cost you your job cooper,fingers crossed.
Bradley Red you really are a total Dick!
You are nothing but a disgrace You are not a Town fan !.
Your constant disgusting attacking comments really are the lowest of the low.
NO true fan would attack the club, players, manager and owners like you do.
If it disgusts you that much then just Pi.. Off and to the club and the rest of us a favour and do not come back. I say again you are not a town fan you are a internet troll!! using a keyboard to post vile comments i bet you would to scared to confront them and say it to their faces. last night you attacked players club and manager. We are a poor money wise club and at the moment we are in the top 10 punching above our weight. at the beginning of the season after al the crap we had to deal with basically a new squad i would of been over the moon with a mid table safe finish yet we find ourselves just of the play offs. Peterborough had a 1.2 million striker and we beat them!
We can not compete with other clubs even Rotherham beat us to the signing of Thomas we have to live on a shoestring budget. You live in a dream world if you think we can bring in bigger and better players. So change your name to Bradley Yellow because thats where i believe your loyalties really lie.
What a prat you are the club is in a poor condition both on and off the pitch and if you can't see that you must be stupid as you believe our duo power and cooper and all the rubbish they spout
[quote][p][bold]Cookie43[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]bradley red 1[/bold] wrote: Excuses like you keep spouting will in the end cost you your job cooper,fingers crossed.[/p][/quote]Bradley Red you really are a total Dick! You are nothing but a disgrace You are not a Town fan !. Your constant disgusting attacking comments really are the lowest of the low. NO true fan would attack the club, players, manager and owners like you do. If it disgusts you that much then just Pi.. Off and to the club and the rest of us a favour and do not come back. I say again you are not a town fan you are a internet troll!! using a keyboard to post vile comments i bet you would to scared to confront them and say it to their faces. last night you attacked players club and manager. We are a poor money wise club and at the moment we are in the top 10 punching above our weight. at the beginning of the season after al the crap we had to deal with basically a new squad i would of been over the moon with a mid table safe finish yet we find ourselves just of the play offs. Peterborough had a 1.2 million striker and we beat them! We can not compete with other clubs even Rotherham beat us to the signing of Thomas we have to live on a shoestring budget. You live in a dream world if you think we can bring in bigger and better players. So change your name to Bradley Yellow because thats where i believe your loyalties really lie.[/p][/quote]What a prat you are the club is in a poor condition both on and off the pitch and if you can't see that you must be stupid as you believe our duo power and cooper and all the rubbish they spout harley red
  • Score: -8

11:26am Wed 15 Jan 14

dreamofacleansheet2 says...

I would like to see Louis T in the side especially away from home. I've said before that Ranger and the midfield lack an urgency to their pressing which with our attempts to play properly cause us more issues at the back.

I believe this lack of urgency and pressing is a major issue and until we get the balance right we will continue to struggle.

We've had enough goes at it now for Cooper to hopefully work it out. That said I think he and Williams are doing a good job and retain my full support. Just as frustrated as anyone else as our home form is automatic promotion form.

COYR
I would like to see Louis T in the side especially away from home. I've said before that Ranger and the midfield lack an urgency to their pressing which with our attempts to play properly cause us more issues at the back. I believe this lack of urgency and pressing is a major issue and until we get the balance right we will continue to struggle. We've had enough goes at it now for Cooper to hopefully work it out. That said I think he and Williams are doing a good job and retain my full support. Just as frustrated as anyone else as our home form is automatic promotion form. COYR dreamofacleansheet2
  • Score: 5

11:55am Wed 15 Jan 14

Oi Den! says...

mrwoo wrote:
Paulo prepared for every match properly. Cooper is not a manager, clueless.
How many videos of the opposition has he watched, how has he tweaked the team and style of play to win the game?
He seems to think it's all a big laugh and probably has the safest job in football.
"Paulo" also had the advantage of being able to choose the players he wanted - and he even got that wrong many times. Then, as soon as he was faced with working with a weakened squad, he chucked the towel in.

Cooper "seems to think it's a big laugh"? Total crap and a gross insult to the man's professional integrity. He sounded anything but happy in his interview last night. For me, the revealing moment was when he was asked about potential new signings. His reply was a curt one word: "Nothing". There's the problem. The squad is inadequate and there's nothing Cooper can do about it.

If we change the manager, things are as likely to get worse as to get better.
[quote][p][bold]mrwoo[/bold] wrote: Paulo prepared for every match properly. Cooper is not a manager, clueless. How many videos of the opposition has he watched, how has he tweaked the team and style of play to win the game? He seems to think it's all a big laugh and probably has the safest job in football.[/p][/quote]"Paulo" also had the advantage of being able to choose the players he wanted - and he even got that wrong many times. Then, as soon as he was faced with working with a weakened squad, he chucked the towel in. Cooper "seems to think it's a big laugh"? Total crap and a gross insult to the man's professional integrity. He sounded anything but happy in his interview last night. For me, the revealing moment was when he was asked about potential new signings. His reply was a curt one word: "Nothing". There's the problem. The squad is inadequate and there's nothing Cooper can do about it. If we change the manager, things are as likely to get worse as to get better. Oi Den!
  • Score: 3

12:02pm Wed 15 Jan 14

Wilesy says...

LeGod wrote:
Dear Mr Cooper - you can have games where the play below par and the forwards never look like scoring but at least keep the back door shut and play out for a point something we have failed to do all season and Stevenage who cant score goals for toffee scored two against us that is how bad defensively we are. Another away game saturday which i was planning on going to but if the players cant be bothered as they werent last night then i cant be for saturday and i predict another loss which will make it 11 games.
The excuse of age is absolute rubbish you are the manager MC it is your job to motivate we had the chance last night to close the gap on the top 6 and after last night we are no where near good enough for the top 6.
If some of these players really think they are better than L1 then im afraid they need to take a long hard look at themselves because i can tell you at this moment in time none of them are.
I give praise to MC and the players when we perform well and they rightly deserve criticism for last nights performance.
LeGod you call for keeping the back door shut but Cooper has tried this with the desparate 4-6-0 and has bowed to fan pressure and binned that off. He has commented along the lines of 'well the fans didn't like it so put up with the defeats'.

I was there last night and regardless of formations what I saw on a cold wet Tuesday night was a bunch of motivated men of modest football skill in Stevenage shirts roll up their sleeves up and get stuck in for the full 90 minutes against a team who most definitely didn't fancy it and weren't up for the fight. Branco Storey and Barker the only ones who looked interested.

Westley managed to motivate his team to perform above their ability, Cooper didn't.

The 'build from the back' tactics with Wes throwing out hospital ball after hospital ball to defenders was utter madness, could no one on the pitch or at the sidelines see that? Cooper can say we're a young side but in that case get the ball up the pitch where the opposition can't score! Nathan Thompson and Grant Hall had possibly their worst games in a Town shirt and our creative gifted midfielders all wanted one touch too many and didn't track back. Mason reminded me of the Dean Parrett MK Dons away game.

Fed up with Cooper blaming the youth of the team and the fans for not liking his 4-6-0, truth is the side he puts out away from home looks a soft touch, he needs to change his tactics and personnel and bring in some men. Sell a star if need be but the weak links are plain for all to see and his tactics are losing tactics.
[quote][p][bold]LeGod[/bold] wrote: Dear Mr Cooper - you can have games where the play below par and the forwards never look like scoring but at least keep the back door shut and play out for a point something we have failed to do all season and Stevenage who cant score goals for toffee scored two against us that is how bad defensively we are. Another away game saturday which i was planning on going to but if the players cant be bothered as they werent last night then i cant be for saturday and i predict another loss which will make it 11 games. The excuse of age is absolute rubbish you are the manager MC it is your job to motivate we had the chance last night to close the gap on the top 6 and after last night we are no where near good enough for the top 6. If some of these players really think they are better than L1 then im afraid they need to take a long hard look at themselves because i can tell you at this moment in time none of them are. I give praise to MC and the players when we perform well and they rightly deserve criticism for last nights performance.[/p][/quote]LeGod you call for keeping the back door shut but Cooper has tried this with the desparate 4-6-0 and has bowed to fan pressure and binned that off. He has commented along the lines of 'well the fans didn't like it so put up with the defeats'. I was there last night and regardless of formations what I saw on a cold wet Tuesday night was a bunch of motivated men of modest football skill in Stevenage shirts roll up their sleeves up and get stuck in for the full 90 minutes against a team who most definitely didn't fancy it and weren't up for the fight. Branco Storey and Barker the only ones who looked interested. Westley managed to motivate his team to perform above their ability, Cooper didn't. The 'build from the back' tactics with Wes throwing out hospital ball after hospital ball to defenders was utter madness, could no one on the pitch or at the sidelines see that? Cooper can say we're a young side but in that case get the ball up the pitch where the opposition can't score! Nathan Thompson and Grant Hall had possibly their worst games in a Town shirt and our creative gifted midfielders all wanted one touch too many and didn't track back. Mason reminded me of the Dean Parrett MK Dons away game. Fed up with Cooper blaming the youth of the team and the fans for not liking his 4-6-0, truth is the side he puts out away from home looks a soft touch, he needs to change his tactics and personnel and bring in some men. Sell a star if need be but the weak links are plain for all to see and his tactics are losing tactics. Wilesy
  • Score: 4

12:03pm Wed 15 Jan 14

LeGod says...

On the flip side of the coin were not good enough for the play offs unless something happens this month with a couple of experienced seasoned pros coming in and i dont think that will happen.
Were on 37 points not good enough for the play offs as were too hit and miss so another 17 points and we will be safe.
As Power said a few weeks ago we will have enough money to go to the end of the season and no doubt a couple of players will be sold off to keep us going unless some sort of Victor Tan comes in with a bucket load of money and i cant see thatr happenning and we go again next season.
We are so inconsistent its unbeleivable and i cant for the life of me why MC doesnt change things away from home. Were too lightweight and Stevenage have not got any talented players whatsoever they are just big physical players who knocked us about and we couldnt handle it. MC has to realise that L1 has alot of teams like that and for Westley to say we had no plan B says it all really.
We were there for the taking and it worked for Stevenage and no doubt the Pikeys will be rubbing their hands knowing they are playing us on saturday and im not filled with confidence we will get anything from that.
On the flip side of the coin were not good enough for the play offs unless something happens this month with a couple of experienced seasoned pros coming in and i dont think that will happen. Were on 37 points not good enough for the play offs as were too hit and miss so another 17 points and we will be safe. As Power said a few weeks ago we will have enough money to go to the end of the season and no doubt a couple of players will be sold off to keep us going unless some sort of Victor Tan comes in with a bucket load of money and i cant see thatr happenning and we go again next season. We are so inconsistent its unbeleivable and i cant for the life of me why MC doesnt change things away from home. Were too lightweight and Stevenage have not got any talented players whatsoever they are just big physical players who knocked us about and we couldnt handle it. MC has to realise that L1 has alot of teams like that and for Westley to say we had no plan B says it all really. We were there for the taking and it worked for Stevenage and no doubt the Pikeys will be rubbing their hands knowing they are playing us on saturday and im not filled with confidence we will get anything from that. LeGod
  • Score: 1

12:12pm Wed 15 Jan 14

Oi Den! says...

Wilesy, I don't believe for a moment that Cooper wouldn't adopt a more direct style if he could. It's been made plain all along that Power dictates the style of play - and that's because playing high risk, low tempo stuff is a condition of having the Tottenham players. I'm sure it suits the development of those players. I'm sure it suits Tottenham very well too. I remain unconvinced that we are building our own team.
Wilesy, I don't believe for a moment that Cooper wouldn't adopt a more direct style if he could. It's been made plain all along that Power dictates the style of play - and that's because playing high risk, low tempo stuff is a condition of having the Tottenham players. I'm sure it suits the development of those players. I'm sure it suits Tottenham very well too. I remain unconvinced that we are building our own team. Oi Den!
  • Score: 1

12:29pm Wed 15 Jan 14

Krazy Kammy says...

Yet again another gutting away defeat, hate to sound negative but I can not see is making the play offs with this poor away form. Let's hope we can get a bit of glory in this JPT.
Yet again another gutting away defeat, hate to sound negative but I can not see is making the play offs with this poor away form. Let's hope we can get a bit of glory in this JPT. Krazy Kammy
  • Score: 2

12:40pm Wed 15 Jan 14

mrwoo says...

Oi Den! wrote:
mrwoo wrote:
Paulo prepared for every match properly. Cooper is not a manager, clueless.
How many videos of the opposition has he watched, how has he tweaked the team and style of play to win the game?
He seems to think it's all a big laugh and probably has the safest job in football.
"Paulo" also had the advantage of being able to choose the players he wanted - and he even got that wrong many times. Then, as soon as he was faced with working with a weakened squad, he chucked the towel in.

Cooper "seems to think it's a big laugh"? Total crap and a gross insult to the man's professional integrity. He sounded anything but happy in his interview last night. For me, the revealing moment was when he was asked about potential new signings. His reply was a curt one word: "Nothing". There's the problem. The squad is inadequate and there's nothing Cooper can do about it.

If we change the manager, things are as likely to get worse as to get better.
I can only go on my conversations with him.
[quote][p][bold]Oi Den![/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mrwoo[/bold] wrote: Paulo prepared for every match properly. Cooper is not a manager, clueless. How many videos of the opposition has he watched, how has he tweaked the team and style of play to win the game? He seems to think it's all a big laugh and probably has the safest job in football.[/p][/quote]"Paulo" also had the advantage of being able to choose the players he wanted - and he even got that wrong many times. Then, as soon as he was faced with working with a weakened squad, he chucked the towel in. Cooper "seems to think it's a big laugh"? Total crap and a gross insult to the man's professional integrity. He sounded anything but happy in his interview last night. For me, the revealing moment was when he was asked about potential new signings. His reply was a curt one word: "Nothing". There's the problem. The squad is inadequate and there's nothing Cooper can do about it. If we change the manager, things are as likely to get worse as to get better.[/p][/quote]I can only go on my conversations with him. mrwoo
  • Score: -3

1:00pm Wed 15 Jan 14

Bassett Hound says...

you gots ta be kidding me wrote:
Since 1950 wrote:
scooby69 wrote: I’ve just listened to Graham Westley post match interview on the BBC football web site. “You could see their plan A and if you get on top of that, they have no plan B”. It really time to sort out our away form please Mr Cooper. Only 2 wins all season. 3 if you count the league cup. Not good enough for play-offs. Come up with a plan B quick !!!!!!!!!
Says it all really. We've been sussed.
I thought our plan B was to pack the midfield and play 4-6-0 but that doesn't work either because our defence cant keep a clean sheet.
I think it did work,but most posters on this forum plus our away fans moaned so much MC said they would not play that way again.
[quote][p][bold]you gots ta be kidding me[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Since 1950[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]scooby69[/bold] wrote: I’ve just listened to Graham Westley post match interview on the BBC football web site. “You could see their plan A and if you get on top of that, they have no plan B”. It really time to sort out our away form please Mr Cooper. Only 2 wins all season. 3 if you count the league cup. Not good enough for play-offs. Come up with a plan B quick !!!!!!!!![/p][/quote]Says it all really. We've been sussed.[/p][/quote]I thought our plan B was to pack the midfield and play 4-6-0 but that doesn't work either because our defence cant keep a clean sheet.[/p][/quote]I think it did work,but most posters on this forum plus our away fans moaned so much MC said they would not play that way again. Bassett Hound
  • Score: 0

1:04pm Wed 15 Jan 14

Wilesy says...

Oi Den! wrote:
Wilesy, I don't believe for a moment that Cooper wouldn't adopt a more direct style if he could. It's been made plain all along that Power dictates the style of play - and that's because playing high risk, low tempo stuff is a condition of having the Tottenham players. I'm sure it suits the development of those players. I'm sure it suits Tottenham very well too. I remain unconvinced that we are building our own team.
So Sherwood and Power had requested we play like last night. Really?

I would go 2 up top for a start, Ranger plus 1, probably Storey
[quote][p][bold]Oi Den![/bold] wrote: Wilesy, I don't believe for a moment that Cooper wouldn't adopt a more direct style if he could. It's been made plain all along that Power dictates the style of play - and that's because playing high risk, low tempo stuff is a condition of having the Tottenham players. I'm sure it suits the development of those players. I'm sure it suits Tottenham very well too. I remain unconvinced that we are building our own team.[/p][/quote]So Sherwood and Power had requested we play like last night. Really? I would go 2 up top for a start, Ranger plus 1, probably Storey Wilesy
  • Score: 2

1:08pm Wed 15 Jan 14

LeGod says...

Wilsey - Under PDC we had the best defensive record in all leagues from memory apart from Man Utd and we scored the most goals. We had some average players palying under PDC and also some some very good ones ie Caddis and Ritchie but tactically before every game our team had a game plan and we never ever played 4-6-0 tactics and we dont need to do it now. The team has to play as more of a unit than it does away from home and grind out results but we are so poor as giving silly goals away from basic mistakes it is criminal. It happens time after time in awat games. Because we are poor at the back it is more important for the midfield to protect them.
Against Peterbrorough Tomlin was constantly in space on his own and dictating play and was never picked up. MC and Ward should have been shouting at the midfield to sort it out. Luckily for us he got sent off otherwise i think it would have been a different result. I get the feeling Williams is the tactician in the partnership and MC as the overall leader.
i dont know how many games it is we have played away now but if its not working they need to put other plans into action.
Again last night we gifted two goals and they are such a bad side which why they are where they are and we sunk to their level.
I had fears about last night going bad and it sums up the lack of desire and committment from some of the players. Yes all players can have bad games and you can have a run of bad games but when we hand it on a plate again it is very disheartening the way we have played and the lack of desire from our players. I've said it already but that is where seasoned pro's come into it we could have played as bad as we did last night but we would have probably ground out a result of some sort. we said this time of year will be our big downfall and its proving to be even though we have been bad away all season.
The away following has dropped as well as no one has any belief anymore we can win a game and that is a shame as we always had a good following away.

i hope they prove us all wrong on saturday but im not counting my chickens.
Wilsey - Under PDC we had the best defensive record in all leagues from memory apart from Man Utd and we scored the most goals. We had some average players palying under PDC and also some some very good ones ie Caddis and Ritchie but tactically before every game our team had a game plan and we never ever played 4-6-0 tactics and we dont need to do it now. The team has to play as more of a unit than it does away from home and grind out results but we are so poor as giving silly goals away from basic mistakes it is criminal. It happens time after time in awat games. Because we are poor at the back it is more important for the midfield to protect them. Against Peterbrorough Tomlin was constantly in space on his own and dictating play and was never picked up. MC and Ward should have been shouting at the midfield to sort it out. Luckily for us he got sent off otherwise i think it would have been a different result. I get the feeling Williams is the tactician in the partnership and MC as the overall leader. i dont know how many games it is we have played away now but if its not working they need to put other plans into action. Again last night we gifted two goals and they are such a bad side which why they are where they are and we sunk to their level. I had fears about last night going bad and it sums up the lack of desire and committment from some of the players. Yes all players can have bad games and you can have a run of bad games but when we hand it on a plate again it is very disheartening the way we have played and the lack of desire from our players. I've said it already but that is where seasoned pro's come into it we could have played as bad as we did last night but we would have probably ground out a result of some sort. we said this time of year will be our big downfall and its proving to be even though we have been bad away all season. The away following has dropped as well as no one has any belief anymore we can win a game and that is a shame as we always had a good following away. i hope they prove us all wrong on saturday but im not counting my chickens. LeGod
  • Score: 10

1:19pm Wed 15 Jan 14

mustard red says...

If you thought last night was scary, you haven't seen this. It is a viral promo video for a new horror film. It is brilliant, and I promise you won't be disappointed.

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If you thought last night was scary, you haven't seen this. It is a viral promo video for a new horror film. It is brilliant, and I promise you won't be disappointed. http://bloody-disgus ting.com/news/327287 0/devils-due-gives-b irth-to-a-baby-who-h ilariously-torments- new-yorkers/ mustard red
  • Score: 0

1:31pm Wed 15 Jan 14

Cookie43 says...

harley red wrote:
Cookie43 wrote:
bradley red 1 wrote:
Excuses like you keep spouting will in the end cost you your job cooper,fingers crossed.
Bradley Red you really are a total Dick!
You are nothing but a disgrace You are not a Town fan !.
Your constant disgusting attacking comments really are the lowest of the low.
NO true fan would attack the club, players, manager and owners like you do.
If it disgusts you that much then just Pi.. Off and to the club and the rest of us a favour and do not come back. I say again you are not a town fan you are a internet troll!! using a keyboard to post vile comments i bet you would to scared to confront them and say it to their faces. last night you attacked players club and manager. We are a poor money wise club and at the moment we are in the top 10 punching above our weight. at the beginning of the season after al the crap we had to deal with basically a new squad i would of been over the moon with a mid table safe finish yet we find ourselves just of the play offs. Peterborough had a 1.2 million striker and we beat them!
We can not compete with other clubs even Rotherham beat us to the signing of Thomas we have to live on a shoestring budget. You live in a dream world if you think we can bring in bigger and better players. So change your name to Bradley Yellow because thats where i believe your loyalties really lie.
What a prat you are the club is in a poor condition both on and off the pitch and if you can't see that you must be stupid as you believe our duo power and cooper and all the rubbish they spout
Listen you first class Dick
Thats not what i said read my post
Yes we are in a bad way money wise and yes we are hit and miss on the pitch but do you see decent fans turning on the players manager and owners NO!! we get behind our club and support it. NOT continue a day by day hate and disgusting campaign against the club.
I fully except we are struggling away but we are in the top half of the table which after all the crap and changes at the club is bloody brilliant.
The club does not need so called fans like you.
A true fan would support the club through good times and bad
If you hate them all so much do yourself and the club a favour and STAY AWAY!!!!!
[quote][p][bold]harley red[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Cookie43[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]bradley red 1[/bold] wrote: Excuses like you keep spouting will in the end cost you your job cooper,fingers crossed.[/p][/quote]Bradley Red you really are a total Dick! You are nothing but a disgrace You are not a Town fan !. Your constant disgusting attacking comments really are the lowest of the low. NO true fan would attack the club, players, manager and owners like you do. If it disgusts you that much then just Pi.. Off and to the club and the rest of us a favour and do not come back. I say again you are not a town fan you are a internet troll!! using a keyboard to post vile comments i bet you would to scared to confront them and say it to their faces. last night you attacked players club and manager. We are a poor money wise club and at the moment we are in the top 10 punching above our weight. at the beginning of the season after al the crap we had to deal with basically a new squad i would of been over the moon with a mid table safe finish yet we find ourselves just of the play offs. Peterborough had a 1.2 million striker and we beat them! We can not compete with other clubs even Rotherham beat us to the signing of Thomas we have to live on a shoestring budget. You live in a dream world if you think we can bring in bigger and better players. So change your name to Bradley Yellow because thats where i believe your loyalties really lie.[/p][/quote]What a prat you are the club is in a poor condition both on and off the pitch and if you can't see that you must be stupid as you believe our duo power and cooper and all the rubbish they spout[/p][/quote]Listen you first class Dick Thats not what i said read my post Yes we are in a bad way money wise and yes we are hit and miss on the pitch but do you see decent fans turning on the players manager and owners NO!! we get behind our club and support it. NOT continue a day by day hate and disgusting campaign against the club. I fully except we are struggling away but we are in the top half of the table which after all the crap and changes at the club is bloody brilliant. The club does not need so called fans like you. A true fan would support the club through good times and bad If you hate them all so much do yourself and the club a favour and STAY AWAY!!!!! Cookie43
  • Score: 1

1:45pm Wed 15 Jan 14

jillyh says...

LeGod wrote:
Wilsey - Under PDC we had the best defensive record in all leagues from memory apart from Man Utd and we scored the most goals. We had some average players palying under PDC and also some some very good ones ie Caddis and Ritchie but tactically before every game our team had a game plan and we never ever played 4-6-0 tactics and we dont need to do it now. The team has to play as more of a unit than it does away from home and grind out results but we are so poor as giving silly goals away from basic mistakes it is criminal. It happens time after time in awat games. Because we are poor at the back it is more important for the midfield to protect them. Against Peterbrorough Tomlin was constantly in space on his own and dictating play and was never picked up. MC and Ward should have been shouting at the midfield to sort it out. Luckily for us he got sent off otherwise i think it would have been a different result. I get the feeling Williams is the tactician in the partnership and MC as the overall leader. i dont know how many games it is we have played away now but if its not working they need to put other plans into action. Again last night we gifted two goals and they are such a bad side which why they are where they are and we sunk to their level. I had fears about last night going bad and it sums up the lack of desire and committment from some of the players. Yes all players can have bad games and you can have a run of bad games but when we hand it on a plate again it is very disheartening the way we have played and the lack of desire from our players. I've said it already but that is where seasoned pro's come into it we could have played as bad as we did last night but we would have probably ground out a result of some sort. we said this time of year will be our big downfall and its proving to be even though we have been bad away all season. The away following has dropped as well as no one has any belief anymore we can win a game and that is a shame as we always had a good following away. i hope they prove us all wrong on saturday but im not counting my chickens.
Totally agree as I miss PDC. He defended from the front and importantly all the players were fit so we came into our own in the second half. Very disillusioned with what we have now and the lack of ability to work with what we have.
Don't live in Swindon but am a season ticket holder which means I have already paid my dues! Would seriously be contemplating travelling to the CG if this is the way foward for STFC. Too many fans quick to respond "well stay away then" without listening to the reasons given.
[quote][p][bold]LeGod[/bold] wrote: Wilsey - Under PDC we had the best defensive record in all leagues from memory apart from Man Utd and we scored the most goals. We had some average players palying under PDC and also some some very good ones ie Caddis and Ritchie but tactically before every game our team had a game plan and we never ever played 4-6-0 tactics and we dont need to do it now. The team has to play as more of a unit than it does away from home and grind out results but we are so poor as giving silly goals away from basic mistakes it is criminal. It happens time after time in awat games. Because we are poor at the back it is more important for the midfield to protect them. Against Peterbrorough Tomlin was constantly in space on his own and dictating play and was never picked up. MC and Ward should have been shouting at the midfield to sort it out. Luckily for us he got sent off otherwise i think it would have been a different result. I get the feeling Williams is the tactician in the partnership and MC as the overall leader. i dont know how many games it is we have played away now but if its not working they need to put other plans into action. Again last night we gifted two goals and they are such a bad side which why they are where they are and we sunk to their level. I had fears about last night going bad and it sums up the lack of desire and committment from some of the players. Yes all players can have bad games and you can have a run of bad games but when we hand it on a plate again it is very disheartening the way we have played and the lack of desire from our players. I've said it already but that is where seasoned pro's come into it we could have played as bad as we did last night but we would have probably ground out a result of some sort. we said this time of year will be our big downfall and its proving to be even though we have been bad away all season. The away following has dropped as well as no one has any belief anymore we can win a game and that is a shame as we always had a good following away. i hope they prove us all wrong on saturday but im not counting my chickens.[/p][/quote]Totally agree as I miss PDC. He defended from the front and importantly all the players were fit so we came into our own in the second half. Very disillusioned with what we have now and the lack of ability to work with what we have. Don't live in Swindon but am a season ticket holder which means I have already paid my dues! Would seriously be contemplating travelling to the CG if this is the way foward for STFC. Too many fans quick to respond "well stay away then" without listening to the reasons given. jillyh
  • Score: 2

1:54pm Wed 15 Jan 14

Rebel_phish says...

umpcah wrote:
Will someone tell us a good joke to cheer us up today ?
One day, Little Johnny saw his grandpa smoking his cigarettes. Little Johnny asked, "Grandpa, can I smoke some of your cigarettes?" His grandpa replied, "Can your p***s reach your a***ole?" "No", said Little Johnny. His grandpa replied, "Then you're not old enough."

The next day, Little Johnny saw his grandpa drinking beer. He asked, "Grandpa, can I drink some of your beer?" His grandpa replied, "Can your p***s reach your a***ole?" "No" said Little Johhny. "Then you're not old enough." his grandpa replied.

The next day, Little Johnny was eating cookies. His grandpa asked, "Can I have some of your cookies?" Little Johnny replied, "Can your p***s reach your a***ole?" His grandpa replied, "It most certainly can!" Little Johnny replied, "Then go fcuk yourself. These are my cookies!"
[quote][p][bold]umpcah[/bold] wrote: Will someone tell us a good joke to cheer us up today ?[/p][/quote]One day, Little Johnny saw his grandpa smoking his cigarettes. Little Johnny asked, "Grandpa, can I smoke some of your cigarettes?" His grandpa replied, "Can your p***s reach your a***ole?" "No", said Little Johnny. His grandpa replied, "Then you're not old enough." The next day, Little Johnny saw his grandpa drinking beer. He asked, "Grandpa, can I drink some of your beer?" His grandpa replied, "Can your p***s reach your a***ole?" "No" said Little Johhny. "Then you're not old enough." his grandpa replied. The next day, Little Johnny was eating cookies. His grandpa asked, "Can I have some of your cookies?" Little Johnny replied, "Can your p***s reach your a***ole?" His grandpa replied, "It most certainly can!" Little Johnny replied, "Then go fcuk yourself. These are my cookies!" Rebel_phish
  • Score: -2

1:59pm Wed 15 Jan 14

Rebel_phish says...

Picture a room full of pregnant women with their husbands.

A nurse says, “Ladies, remember that exercise is good for you. Walking is especially beneficial. It strengthens the pelvic muscles and will make delivery that much easier. Just pace yourself, make plenty of stops and try to stay on a soft surface like grass or a path.”

“Gentlemen, remember that you’re both in this together. It wouldn’t hurt for you to go walking with her. In fact, that shared experience would be good for you both.”

The room becomes very quiet as the men absorb this information. After a few moments a man, at the back of the room slowly raises his hand. “Yes?” says the Nurse.

“I was just wondering if it would be all right if she carries a golf bag while we walk.”
Picture a room full of pregnant women with their husbands. A nurse says, “Ladies, remember that exercise is good for you. Walking is especially beneficial. It strengthens the pelvic muscles and will make delivery that much easier. Just pace yourself, make plenty of stops and try to stay on a soft surface like grass or a path.” “Gentlemen, remember that you’re both in this together. It wouldn’t hurt for you to go walking with her. In fact, that shared experience would be good for you both.” The room becomes very quiet as the men absorb this information. After a few moments a man, at the back of the room slowly raises his hand. “Yes?” says the Nurse. “I was just wondering if it would be all right if she carries a golf bag while we walk.” Rebel_phish
  • Score: 2

2:03pm Wed 15 Jan 14

lifelong red says...

I know its been said many times before but i'm going to say it again ,this is a very young team, who on their day , can be one of the most attractive sides to watch in the lower leagues .But their are 3 vital ingredients missing,firstly-phys
ic-their is a lack of it ,particurly in the midfield ,Chalky White summed it up perfectly in his after match summory ,when he said we need a strong ballwinner there. Secondly- experience- apart from wardy , there is hardly a player over the age of 23. And lastly , but most importantly leadership,we simply don't have any - ward is the captain but he struggles with his own game to be of any influence. I am sure Mark Cooper is well aware of all this, but its never easy when your working to a tight budget.
I know its been said many times before but i'm going to say it again ,this is a very young team, who on their day , can be one of the most attractive sides to watch in the lower leagues .But their are 3 vital ingredients missing,firstly-phys ic-their is a lack of it ,particurly in the midfield ,Chalky White summed it up perfectly in his after match summory ,when he said we need a strong ballwinner there. Secondly- experience- apart from wardy , there is hardly a player over the age of 23. And lastly , but most importantly leadership,we simply don't have any - ward is the captain but he struggles with his own game to be of any influence. I am sure Mark Cooper is well aware of all this, but its never easy when your working to a tight budget. lifelong red
  • Score: 6

2:14pm Wed 15 Jan 14

MITTED says...

When we have had successful seasons in the past, the team usually travelled to away games the day before, stayed in hotels overnight and were consequently much better prepared for match-day producing more impressive results. Steve Murrall said pre-season that away game overnight stops would be heavily curtailed in this season of austerity. Perhaps it goes some way to explaining our attrocious away record? Food for thought.
When we have had successful seasons in the past, the team usually travelled to away games the day before, stayed in hotels overnight and were consequently much better prepared for match-day producing more impressive results. Steve Murrall said pre-season that away game overnight stops would be heavily curtailed in this season of austerity. Perhaps it goes some way to explaining our attrocious away record? Food for thought. MITTED
  • Score: 4

2:19pm Wed 15 Jan 14

Graham8181 says...

2 peanuts walked into a pub ....... one was a-salted
2 peanuts walked into a pub ....... one was a-salted Graham8181
  • Score: 0

2:21pm Wed 15 Jan 14

Graham8181 says...

Michael Owen walked into a pub and asked a very attractive woman at the bar if she would like to go back to his house for some se'xy time ....

........ she replied " you're a little forward aren't you?!? "
Michael Owen walked into a pub and asked a very attractive woman at the bar if she would like to go back to his house for some se'xy time .... ........ she replied " you're a little forward aren't you?!? " Graham8181
  • Score: 0

2:22pm Wed 15 Jan 14

Since 1950 says...

Bassett Hound wrote:
you gots ta be kidding me wrote:
Since 1950 wrote:
scooby69 wrote: I’ve just listened to Graham Westley post match interview on the BBC football web site. “You could see their plan A and if you get on top of that, they have no plan B”. It really time to sort out our away form please Mr Cooper. Only 2 wins all season. 3 if you count the league cup. Not good enough for play-offs. Come up with a plan B quick !!!!!!!!!
Says it all really. We've been sussed.
I thought our plan B was to pack the midfield and play 4-6-0 but that doesn't work either because our defence cant keep a clean sheet.
I think it did work,but most posters on this forum plus our away fans moaned so much MC said they would not play that way again.
That's the one thing I would criticise Cooper for and that's blaming the team selection on the fans - in particular that band of away fans that have given such great support this season.

If Cooper thinks that 4-6-0 is the way to play away from home then he should play it and tell the fans why he thinks that is the way we have to play. Personally the only place I'd like to see 4-6-0 is on a steam train coming out of the GWR works not on a pitch!
[quote][p][bold]Bassett Hound[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]you gots ta be kidding me[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Since 1950[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]scooby69[/bold] wrote: I’ve just listened to Graham Westley post match interview on the BBC football web site. “You could see their plan A and if you get on top of that, they have no plan B”. It really time to sort out our away form please Mr Cooper. Only 2 wins all season. 3 if you count the league cup. Not good enough for play-offs. Come up with a plan B quick !!!!!!!!![/p][/quote]Says it all really. We've been sussed.[/p][/quote]I thought our plan B was to pack the midfield and play 4-6-0 but that doesn't work either because our defence cant keep a clean sheet.[/p][/quote]I think it did work,but most posters on this forum plus our away fans moaned so much MC said they would not play that way again.[/p][/quote]That's the one thing I would criticise Cooper for and that's blaming the team selection on the fans - in particular that band of away fans that have given such great support this season. If Cooper thinks that 4-6-0 is the way to play away from home then he should play it and tell the fans why he thinks that is the way we have to play. Personally the only place I'd like to see 4-6-0 is on a steam train coming out of the GWR works not on a pitch! Since 1950
  • Score: 1

2:24pm Wed 15 Jan 14

London Red says...

We don't have to go long ball to stop playing tippy tappy - there are plenty of styles in between the 2!
.
QPR away was a prime example of how we should play - we built from the back when we could but if that option was not available Wes and the defence were not scared to hit it long to Ranger - who like always was winning 8 or 9 out 10!
.
Why not do that now? Had Wes gone long would we have let that goal in?
.
Once Ranger has won it - which often includes taking down and under control we can start to play - only in their half!
.
I would like us to adapt to a 541 away from home
.
Go with 3 CBs of Branco Ward Hall - so we have height at set pieces
and full backs of Thompson and Byrne and tell them to bomb on as we have the extra defender and they are to provide the width. I'd bring Troy in ASAP once fit!
.
My midfield would be narrow as the full backs will be basically wing backs - I'd have Louis Thompson sit just in front of the defence with the sole job of breaking things up and when needed sit on a player like Tomlin
.
I'd then have Kassim and Luongo as the box-to -box players providing support at both ends
.
Then play Harley as the more attacking support player to feed off Ranger - this way we get more expereince in the team too
.
Then we have a bench of N'Guessan, Storey, Barker, Mason and Pritchard to make changes if needed - which would open up a lot of options as we can change either like for like or system
.
Should be strong at the back but nowhere near a 460!
We don't have to go long ball to stop playing tippy tappy - there are plenty of styles in between the 2! . QPR away was a prime example of how we should play - we built from the back when we could but if that option was not available Wes and the defence were not scared to hit it long to Ranger - who like always was winning 8 or 9 out 10! . Why not do that now? Had Wes gone long would we have let that goal in? . Once Ranger has won it - which often includes taking down and under control we can start to play - only in their half! . I would like us to adapt to a 541 away from home . Go with 3 CBs of Branco Ward Hall - so we have height at set pieces and full backs of Thompson and Byrne and tell them to bomb on as we have the extra defender and they are to provide the width. I'd bring Troy in ASAP once fit! . My midfield would be narrow as the full backs will be basically wing backs - I'd have Louis Thompson sit just in front of the defence with the sole job of breaking things up and when needed sit on a player like Tomlin . I'd then have Kassim and Luongo as the box-to -box players providing support at both ends . Then play Harley as the more attacking support player to feed off Ranger - this way we get more expereince in the team too . Then we have a bench of N'Guessan, Storey, Barker, Mason and Pritchard to make changes if needed - which would open up a lot of options as we can change either like for like or system . Should be strong at the back but nowhere near a 460! London Red
  • Score: 0

2:30pm Wed 15 Jan 14

smirg kcab says...

Playoffs playoffs playoffs
Forget it
Relegation relegation relegation, that's where I thought we was heading.
Mid table under the circumstancie s we shouldn't moan, but we are fans and wants the best,
I look at it we have won every home game and lost every away game.
So for the majority of whingers on here who only go to home games, you are having a great deal, rather than winning away and losing at home.
Back to moaning COOPER SORT THE AWAY FORM OUT
Playoffs playoffs playoffs Forget it Relegation relegation relegation, that's where I thought we was heading. Mid table under the circumstancie s we shouldn't moan, but we are fans and wants the best, I look at it we have won every home game and lost every away game. So for the majority of whingers on here who only go to home games, you are having a great deal, rather than winning away and losing at home. Back to moaning COOPER SORT THE AWAY FORM OUT smirg kcab
  • Score: 3

2:32pm Wed 15 Jan 14

Wilesy says...

lifelong red wrote:
I know its been said many times before but i'm going to say it again ,this is a very young team, who on their day , can be one of the most attractive sides to watch in the lower leagues .But their are 3 vital ingredients missing,firstly-phys

ic-their is a lack of it ,particurly in the midfield ,Chalky White summed it up perfectly in his after match summory ,when he said we need a strong ballwinner there. Secondly- experience- apart from wardy , there is hardly a player over the age of 23. And lastly , but most importantly leadership,we simply don't have any - ward is the captain but he struggles with his own game to be of any influence. I am sure Mark Cooper is well aware of all this, but its never easy when your working to a tight budget.
3 good but well established points but this has been apparent for about 4 months.

We lost Macca and Flint in particular and brought in how many players over the summer?

Instead of overfilling the creative midfield positions we should have brought in some Div 2 or Conference level big lads / leaders, on low wages who wouldn't mind getting their kit dirty on nights like last night who could feed the ball to the superstars.

How many times do you see Mason steaming back to win a tackle by his corner flag like Macca used to?

How many times do you see Kasim or Luongo making 3 lung busting runs chasing lost causes in injury time like Ferry used to?

How many times do you see Hall take 2 men out in winning a majestic leaping header like Flint used to?

Instead we see 1 good game in 8 away from home, from players that aren't up for it from what we saw last night.

We all knew how Stevenage would play and our tactics played completely into their hands. It was embarrassing and sadly after 4 months of it now very predictable.
[quote][p][bold]lifelong red[/bold] wrote: I know its been said many times before but i'm going to say it again ,this is a very young team, who on their day , can be one of the most attractive sides to watch in the lower leagues .But their are 3 vital ingredients missing,firstly-phys ic-their is a lack of it ,particurly in the midfield ,Chalky White summed it up perfectly in his after match summory ,when he said we need a strong ballwinner there. Secondly- experience- apart from wardy , there is hardly a player over the age of 23. And lastly , but most importantly leadership,we simply don't have any - ward is the captain but he struggles with his own game to be of any influence. I am sure Mark Cooper is well aware of all this, but its never easy when your working to a tight budget.[/p][/quote]3 good but well established points but this has been apparent for about 4 months. We lost Macca and Flint in particular and brought in how many players over the summer? Instead of overfilling the creative midfield positions we should have brought in some Div 2 or Conference level big lads / leaders, on low wages who wouldn't mind getting their kit dirty on nights like last night who could feed the ball to the superstars. How many times do you see Mason steaming back to win a tackle by his corner flag like Macca used to? How many times do you see Kasim or Luongo making 3 lung busting runs chasing lost causes in injury time like Ferry used to? How many times do you see Hall take 2 men out in winning a majestic leaping header like Flint used to? Instead we see 1 good game in 8 away from home, from players that aren't up for it from what we saw last night. We all knew how Stevenage would play and our tactics played completely into their hands. It was embarrassing and sadly after 4 months of it now very predictable. Wilesy
  • Score: 3

2:44pm Wed 15 Jan 14

Wilesy says...

London Red wrote:
We don't have to go long ball to stop playing tippy tappy - there are plenty of styles in between the 2!
.
QPR away was a prime example of how we should play - we built from the back when we could but if that option was not available Wes and the defence were not scared to hit it long to Ranger - who like always was winning 8 or 9 out 10!
.
Why not do that now? Had Wes gone long would we have let that goal in?
.
Once Ranger has won it - which often includes taking down and under control we can start to play - only in their half!
.
I would like us to adapt to a 541 away from home
.
Go with 3 CBs of Branco Ward Hall - so we have height at set pieces
and full backs of Thompson and Byrne and tell them to bomb on as we have the extra defender and they are to provide the width. I'd bring Troy in ASAP once fit!
.
My midfield would be narrow as the full backs will be basically wing backs - I'd have Louis Thompson sit just in front of the defence with the sole job of breaking things up and when needed sit on a player like Tomlin
.
I'd then have Kassim and Luongo as the box-to -box players providing support at both ends
.
Then play Harley as the more attacking support player to feed off Ranger - this way we get more expereince in the team too
.
Then we have a bench of N'Guessan, Storey, Barker, Mason and Pritchard to make changes if needed - which would open up a lot of options as we can change either like for like or system
.
Should be strong at the back but nowhere near a 460!
But the formation doesn't matter if collectively the team is not up for the game like last night and others.

Why are we up for it at home and not away from home I don't get it.

Is it down to travelling on the day I've wondered that before but surely that wouldn't have made that much of a difference...Stevena
ge was only a 2 hour drive.
[quote][p][bold]London Red[/bold] wrote: We don't have to go long ball to stop playing tippy tappy - there are plenty of styles in between the 2! . QPR away was a prime example of how we should play - we built from the back when we could but if that option was not available Wes and the defence were not scared to hit it long to Ranger - who like always was winning 8 or 9 out 10! . Why not do that now? Had Wes gone long would we have let that goal in? . Once Ranger has won it - which often includes taking down and under control we can start to play - only in their half! . I would like us to adapt to a 541 away from home . Go with 3 CBs of Branco Ward Hall - so we have height at set pieces and full backs of Thompson and Byrne and tell them to bomb on as we have the extra defender and they are to provide the width. I'd bring Troy in ASAP once fit! . My midfield would be narrow as the full backs will be basically wing backs - I'd have Louis Thompson sit just in front of the defence with the sole job of breaking things up and when needed sit on a player like Tomlin . I'd then have Kassim and Luongo as the box-to -box players providing support at both ends . Then play Harley as the more attacking support player to feed off Ranger - this way we get more expereince in the team too . Then we have a bench of N'Guessan, Storey, Barker, Mason and Pritchard to make changes if needed - which would open up a lot of options as we can change either like for like or system . Should be strong at the back but nowhere near a 460![/p][/quote]But the formation doesn't matter if collectively the team is not up for the game like last night and others. Why are we up for it at home and not away from home I don't get it. Is it down to travelling on the day I've wondered that before but surely that wouldn't have made that much of a difference...Stevena ge was only a 2 hour drive. Wilesy
  • Score: 0

2:54pm Wed 15 Jan 14

Oi Den! says...

Wilesy wrote:
lifelong red wrote:
I know its been said many times before but i'm going to say it again ,this is a very young team, who on their day , can be one of the most attractive sides to watch in the lower leagues .But their are 3 vital ingredients missing,firstly-phys


ic-their is a lack of it ,particurly in the midfield ,Chalky White summed it up perfectly in his after match summory ,when he said we need a strong ballwinner there. Secondly- experience- apart from wardy , there is hardly a player over the age of 23. And lastly , but most importantly leadership,we simply don't have any - ward is the captain but he struggles with his own game to be of any influence. I am sure Mark Cooper is well aware of all this, but its never easy when your working to a tight budget.
3 good but well established points but this has been apparent for about 4 months.

We lost Macca and Flint in particular and brought in how many players over the summer?

Instead of overfilling the creative midfield positions we should have brought in some Div 2 or Conference level big lads / leaders, on low wages who wouldn't mind getting their kit dirty on nights like last night who could feed the ball to the superstars.

How many times do you see Mason steaming back to win a tackle by his corner flag like Macca used to?

How many times do you see Kasim or Luongo making 3 lung busting runs chasing lost causes in injury time like Ferry used to?

How many times do you see Hall take 2 men out in winning a majestic leaping header like Flint used to?

Instead we see 1 good game in 8 away from home, from players that aren't up for it from what we saw last night.

We all knew how Stevenage would play and our tactics played completely into their hands. It was embarrassing and sadly after 4 months of it now very predictable.
Excellent post Wilesy. You've summed it all up perfectly and your anger is very obvious. I think there was a touch of anger in your reply to me too.

Power got it wrong in the summer. The repercussions of those mistakes surface in nearly every away game - and we've got out of jail a few times at home too.

"Instead of overfilling the creative midfield positions we should have brought in some Div 2 or Conference level big lads / leaders, on low wages who wouldn't mind getting their kit dirty on nights like last night who could feed the ball to the superstars." Spot on - but it wouldn't have satisfied the rules of the old pals act.
[quote][p][bold]Wilesy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]lifelong red[/bold] wrote: I know its been said many times before but i'm going to say it again ,this is a very young team, who on their day , can be one of the most attractive sides to watch in the lower leagues .But their are 3 vital ingredients missing,firstly-phys ic-their is a lack of it ,particurly in the midfield ,Chalky White summed it up perfectly in his after match summory ,when he said we need a strong ballwinner there. Secondly- experience- apart from wardy , there is hardly a player over the age of 23. And lastly , but most importantly leadership,we simply don't have any - ward is the captain but he struggles with his own game to be of any influence. I am sure Mark Cooper is well aware of all this, but its never easy when your working to a tight budget.[/p][/quote]3 good but well established points but this has been apparent for about 4 months. We lost Macca and Flint in particular and brought in how many players over the summer? Instead of overfilling the creative midfield positions we should have brought in some Div 2 or Conference level big lads / leaders, on low wages who wouldn't mind getting their kit dirty on nights like last night who could feed the ball to the superstars. How many times do you see Mason steaming back to win a tackle by his corner flag like Macca used to? How many times do you see Kasim or Luongo making 3 lung busting runs chasing lost causes in injury time like Ferry used to? How many times do you see Hall take 2 men out in winning a majestic leaping header like Flint used to? Instead we see 1 good game in 8 away from home, from players that aren't up for it from what we saw last night. We all knew how Stevenage would play and our tactics played completely into their hands. It was embarrassing and sadly after 4 months of it now very predictable.[/p][/quote]Excellent post Wilesy. You've summed it all up perfectly and your anger is very obvious. I think there was a touch of anger in your reply to me too. Power got it wrong in the summer. The repercussions of those mistakes surface in nearly every away game - and we've got out of jail a few times at home too. "Instead of overfilling the creative midfield positions we should have brought in some Div 2 or Conference level big lads / leaders, on low wages who wouldn't mind getting their kit dirty on nights like last night who could feed the ball to the superstars." Spot on - but it wouldn't have satisfied the rules of the old pals act. Oi Den!
  • Score: 0

3:16pm Wed 15 Jan 14

umpcah says...

Graham8181 wrote:
Michael Owen walked into a pub and asked a very attractive woman at the bar if she would like to go back to his house for some se'xy time ....

........ she replied " you're a little forward aren't you?!? "
Haha ! That`s the best one I`ve heard this year !
[quote][p][bold]Graham8181[/bold] wrote: Michael Owen walked into a pub and asked a very attractive woman at the bar if she would like to go back to his house for some se'xy time .... ........ she replied " you're a little forward aren't you?!? "[/p][/quote]Haha ! That`s the best one I`ve heard this year ! umpcah
  • Score: -2

3:30pm Wed 15 Jan 14

itslove says...

Think we have had it league wise now . Other sides miles up the lge and teams much smaller than us . History wise . We might just get a crack in theb final at the Paint cup final . But that would be a very nervous day if it comes. I hope lee power goes and we replace Cooper who isnt really up to the task.
Think we have had it league wise now . Other sides miles up the lge and teams much smaller than us . History wise . We might just get a crack in theb final at the Paint cup final . But that would be a very nervous day if it comes. I hope lee power goes and we replace Cooper who isnt really up to the task. itslove
  • Score: -3

3:43pm Wed 15 Jan 14

The Jockster says...

My farmer friend said I've got 68 sheep will you help me round them up - I said ok 70.....
I went to my chicken coop to get some eggs from my best hen - there weren't any - I said what's occurring to my Mrs...she said maybe she mislaid them....
Mind you the new hutch looked good ... Impeccable really !
I bought a chessboard shaped cake for my son's birthday- it tasted horrible- took it back to the shop - I said this is stale mate.. He said you sure ? I said yes check mate!!!

Ok ok I'll get me coat
My farmer friend said I've got 68 sheep will you help me round them up - I said ok 70..... I went to my chicken coop to get some eggs from my best hen - there weren't any - I said what's occurring to my Mrs...she said maybe she mislaid them.... Mind you the new hutch looked good ... Impeccable really ! I bought a chessboard shaped cake for my son's birthday- it tasted horrible- took it back to the shop - I said this is stale mate.. He said you sure ? I said yes check mate!!! Ok ok I'll get me coat The Jockster
  • Score: -3

4:27pm Wed 15 Jan 14

Swindon1984 says...

Since 1950 wrote:
Bassett Hound wrote:
you gots ta be kidding me wrote:
Since 1950 wrote:
scooby69 wrote: I’ve just listened to Graham Westley post match interview on the BBC football web site. “You could see their plan A and if you get on top of that, they have no plan B”. It really time to sort out our away form please Mr Cooper. Only 2 wins all season. 3 if you count the league cup. Not good enough for play-offs. Come up with a plan B quick !!!!!!!!!
Says it all really. We've been sussed.
I thought our plan B was to pack the midfield and play 4-6-0 but that doesn't work either because our defence cant keep a clean sheet.
I think it did work,but most posters on this forum plus our away fans moaned so much MC said they would not play that way again.
That's the one thing I would criticise Cooper for and that's blaming the team selection on the fans - in particular that band of away fans that have given such great support this season. If Cooper thinks that 4-6-0 is the way to play away from home then he should play it and tell the fans why he thinks that is the way we have to play. Personally the only place I'd like to see 4-6-0 is on a steam train coming out of the GWR works not on a pitch!
I think it's fair enough to whinge about not playing a striker if you see the kind of dross we played against Crawley for example. No cutting edge (fortunately for either side) in that game and was a total non-event. Then again it's Cooper's team and if he genuinely believes in his tactics then they are the tactics he should play, regardless of who moans about it. If they're the right tactics, they'll get results, regardless of how unpopular they may be, and if they get results, people will have less reason to moan.

I think we can labour the point about formations though - on paper what appears to be a defensive formation can very quickly adapt on the break and commit men forward if it's worked well.

The key point here seems to be the attitude of the players for away games - Luongo's said they didn't have the desire before the game, then quickly corrected himself and said they DID but didn't show it on the pitch. Same difference as far as I'm concerned. You've got to want to win when you go out, if you don't you've handed the opposition the advantage straight away.
[quote][p][bold]Since 1950[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Bassett Hound[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]you gots ta be kidding me[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Since 1950[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]scooby69[/bold] wrote: I’ve just listened to Graham Westley post match interview on the BBC football web site. “You could see their plan A and if you get on top of that, they have no plan B”. It really time to sort out our away form please Mr Cooper. Only 2 wins all season. 3 if you count the league cup. Not good enough for play-offs. Come up with a plan B quick !!!!!!!!![/p][/quote]Says it all really. We've been sussed.[/p][/quote]I thought our plan B was to pack the midfield and play 4-6-0 but that doesn't work either because our defence cant keep a clean sheet.[/p][/quote]I think it did work,but most posters on this forum plus our away fans moaned so much MC said they would not play that way again.[/p][/quote]That's the one thing I would criticise Cooper for and that's blaming the team selection on the fans - in particular that band of away fans that have given such great support this season. If Cooper thinks that 4-6-0 is the way to play away from home then he should play it and tell the fans why he thinks that is the way we have to play. Personally the only place I'd like to see 4-6-0 is on a steam train coming out of the GWR works not on a pitch![/p][/quote]I think it's fair enough to whinge about not playing a striker if you see the kind of dross we played against Crawley for example. No cutting edge (fortunately for either side) in that game and was a total non-event. Then again it's Cooper's team and if he genuinely believes in his tactics then they are the tactics he should play, regardless of who moans about it. If they're the right tactics, they'll get results, regardless of how unpopular they may be, and if they get results, people will have less reason to moan. I think we can labour the point about formations though - on paper what appears to be a defensive formation can very quickly adapt on the break and commit men forward if it's worked well. The key point here seems to be the attitude of the players for away games - Luongo's said they didn't have the desire before the game, then quickly corrected himself and said they DID but didn't show it on the pitch. Same difference as far as I'm concerned. You've got to want to win when you go out, if you don't you've handed the opposition the advantage straight away. Swindon1984
  • Score: 0

5:25pm Wed 15 Jan 14

Wilesy says...

Oi Den! wrote:
Wilesy wrote:
lifelong red wrote:
I know its been said many times before but i'm going to say it again ,this is a very young team, who on their day , can be one of the most attractive sides to watch in the lower leagues .But their are 3 vital ingredients missing,firstly-phys



ic-their is a lack of it ,particurly in the midfield ,Chalky White summed it up perfectly in his after match summory ,when he said we need a strong ballwinner there. Secondly- experience- apart from wardy , there is hardly a player over the age of 23. And lastly , but most importantly leadership,we simply don't have any - ward is the captain but he struggles with his own game to be of any influence. I am sure Mark Cooper is well aware of all this, but its never easy when your working to a tight budget.
3 good but well established points but this has been apparent for about 4 months.

We lost Macca and Flint in particular and brought in how many players over the summer?

Instead of overfilling the creative midfield positions we should have brought in some Div 2 or Conference level big lads / leaders, on low wages who wouldn't mind getting their kit dirty on nights like last night who could feed the ball to the superstars.

How many times do you see Mason steaming back to win a tackle by his corner flag like Macca used to?

How many times do you see Kasim or Luongo making 3 lung busting runs chasing lost causes in injury time like Ferry used to?

How many times do you see Hall take 2 men out in winning a majestic leaping header like Flint used to?

Instead we see 1 good game in 8 away from home, from players that aren't up for it from what we saw last night.

We all knew how Stevenage would play and our tactics played completely into their hands. It was embarrassing and sadly after 4 months of it now very predictable.
Excellent post Wilesy. You've summed it all up perfectly and your anger is very obvious. I think there was a touch of anger in your reply to me too.

Power got it wrong in the summer. The repercussions of those mistakes surface in nearly every away game - and we've got out of jail a few times at home too.

"Instead of overfilling the creative midfield positions we should have brought in some Div 2 or Conference level big lads / leaders, on low wages who wouldn't mind getting their kit dirty on nights like last night who could feed the ball to the superstars." Spot on - but it wouldn't have satisfied the rules of the old pals act.
Apologies if I replied a bit curtly Den it was more haste than rudeness, I try and be polite on here as much as possible.

I'm not happy about last night's game though hence today's rants

Personally I spent about £42 last night taking into account ticket money, contribution to petrol, programme, plus a bite to eat and drink. We stood in the cold watching our team perform like that then a 2 hour drive home afterwards.

Appreciate you have to take the rough with the smooth when following a team round the country but to then hear Cooper's excuses once again about how we're a young team plus criticizing me and other fans for not liking 4-6-0 has got my goat up.

I see Power is spending one of his upcoming 90 mornings in the UK at Adver Towers discussing how the Adver should behave, perhaps that time would be better spent on the phone trying to wheel and deal.
[quote][p][bold]Oi Den![/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Wilesy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]lifelong red[/bold] wrote: I know its been said many times before but i'm going to say it again ,this is a very young team, who on their day , can be one of the most attractive sides to watch in the lower leagues .But their are 3 vital ingredients missing,firstly-phys ic-their is a lack of it ,particurly in the midfield ,Chalky White summed it up perfectly in his after match summory ,when he said we need a strong ballwinner there. Secondly- experience- apart from wardy , there is hardly a player over the age of 23. And lastly , but most importantly leadership,we simply don't have any - ward is the captain but he struggles with his own game to be of any influence. I am sure Mark Cooper is well aware of all this, but its never easy when your working to a tight budget.[/p][/quote]3 good but well established points but this has been apparent for about 4 months. We lost Macca and Flint in particular and brought in how many players over the summer? Instead of overfilling the creative midfield positions we should have brought in some Div 2 or Conference level big lads / leaders, on low wages who wouldn't mind getting their kit dirty on nights like last night who could feed the ball to the superstars. How many times do you see Mason steaming back to win a tackle by his corner flag like Macca used to? How many times do you see Kasim or Luongo making 3 lung busting runs chasing lost causes in injury time like Ferry used to? How many times do you see Hall take 2 men out in winning a majestic leaping header like Flint used to? Instead we see 1 good game in 8 away from home, from players that aren't up for it from what we saw last night. We all knew how Stevenage would play and our tactics played completely into their hands. It was embarrassing and sadly after 4 months of it now very predictable.[/p][/quote]Excellent post Wilesy. You've summed it all up perfectly and your anger is very obvious. I think there was a touch of anger in your reply to me too. Power got it wrong in the summer. The repercussions of those mistakes surface in nearly every away game - and we've got out of jail a few times at home too. "Instead of overfilling the creative midfield positions we should have brought in some Div 2 or Conference level big lads / leaders, on low wages who wouldn't mind getting their kit dirty on nights like last night who could feed the ball to the superstars." Spot on - but it wouldn't have satisfied the rules of the old pals act.[/p][/quote]Apologies if I replied a bit curtly Den it was more haste than rudeness, I try and be polite on here as much as possible. I'm not happy about last night's game though hence today's rants Personally I spent about £42 last night taking into account ticket money, contribution to petrol, programme, plus a bite to eat and drink. We stood in the cold watching our team perform like that then a 2 hour drive home afterwards. Appreciate you have to take the rough with the smooth when following a team round the country but to then hear Cooper's excuses once again about how we're a young team plus criticizing me and other fans for not liking 4-6-0 has got my goat up. I see Power is spending one of his upcoming 90 mornings in the UK at Adver Towers discussing how the Adver should behave, perhaps that time would be better spent on the phone trying to wheel and deal. Wilesy
  • Score: 4

5:47pm Wed 15 Jan 14

igiwigi says...

Backpassing all night --NO GOOD

No DESIRE!!

SWINDON ARE DIRE!!
Backpassing all night --NO GOOD No DESIRE!! SWINDON ARE DIRE!! igiwigi
  • Score: -1

5:51pm Wed 15 Jan 14

igiwigi says...

I heard from a Stevenage fan that they press hard and contain.and break.
They never give up.
Pity Mr Cooper get that knowledge

When Swindon are Pressed and contained you might as well put them In a sheep pen!!
I heard from a Stevenage fan that they press hard and contain.and break. They never give up. Pity Mr Cooper get that knowledge When Swindon are Pressed and contained you might as well put them In a sheep pen!! igiwigi
  • Score: 1

6:07pm Wed 15 Jan 14

Di kanny oh says...

smirg kcab wrote:
Playoffs playoffs playoffs
Forget it
Relegation relegation relegation, that's where I thought we was heading.
Mid table under the circumstancie s we shouldn't moan, but we are fans and wants the best,
I look at it we have won every home game and lost every away game.
So for the majority of whingers on here who only go to home games, you are having a great deal, rather than winning away and losing at home.
Back to moaning COOPER SORT THE AWAY FORM OUT
Good points Grim and my take on all this is as follows, out of 13 away games if we had drawn say 9 of these games and lost just 4 games then with our Home record I would guess many fans would find this acceptable. So 2 away wins and 3 draws has netted us 9 points which is the same. Yes we are very naive and have plenty of work to do but just look at the reduced wage and budget which had to happen. We are higher in the Table than I ever expected and to avoid a relegation battle with all the changes made this season is very acceptable in my view. Reduced wages and budget means reduced scope for better players and it will take a decent man indeed to pick up bargain basement players on low wages which is where Power comes in hopefully. He has done well so far I feel. It is very important as I said yesterday not to get carried away with a few good home results and to keep being realistic in that we are just an average team with a few decent youngsters and expectations should be judged accordingly.
[quote][p][bold]smirg kcab[/bold] wrote: Playoffs playoffs playoffs Forget it Relegation relegation relegation, that's where I thought we was heading. Mid table under the circumstancie s we shouldn't moan, but we are fans and wants the best, I look at it we have won every home game and lost every away game. So for the majority of whingers on here who only go to home games, you are having a great deal, rather than winning away and losing at home. Back to moaning COOPER SORT THE AWAY FORM OUT[/p][/quote]Good points Grim and my take on all this is as follows, out of 13 away games if we had drawn say 9 of these games and lost just 4 games then with our Home record I would guess many fans would find this acceptable. So 2 away wins and 3 draws has netted us 9 points which is the same. Yes we are very naive and have plenty of work to do but just look at the reduced wage and budget which had to happen. We are higher in the Table than I ever expected and to avoid a relegation battle with all the changes made this season is very acceptable in my view. Reduced wages and budget means reduced scope for better players and it will take a decent man indeed to pick up bargain basement players on low wages which is where Power comes in hopefully. He has done well so far I feel. It is very important as I said yesterday not to get carried away with a few good home results and to keep being realistic in that we are just an average team with a few decent youngsters and expectations should be judged accordingly. Di kanny oh
  • Score: 3

6:27pm Wed 15 Jan 14

thrugelmir says...

Young squad. Inexperienced. Long season. Hardly surprising. As long as they learn and move forward. Then they'll get there.
Young squad. Inexperienced. Long season. Hardly surprising. As long as they learn and move forward. Then they'll get there. thrugelmir
  • Score: -1

6:30pm Wed 15 Jan 14

alchafreds says...

Oi Den! wrote:
mrwoo wrote:
Paulo prepared for every match properly. Cooper is not a manager, clueless.
How many videos of the opposition has he watched, how has he tweaked the team and style of play to win the game?
He seems to think it's all a big laugh and probably has the safest job in football.
"Paulo" also had the advantage of being able to choose the players he wanted - and he even got that wrong many times. Then, as soon as he was faced with working with a weakened squad, he chucked the towel in.

Cooper "seems to think it's a big laugh"? Total crap and a gross insult to the man's professional integrity. He sounded anything but happy in his interview last night. For me, the revealing moment was when he was asked about potential new signings. His reply was a curt one word: "Nothing". There's the problem. The squad is inadequate and there's nothing Cooper can do about it.

If we change the manager, things are as likely to get worse as to get better.
nothing cooper can do about it ?
beg to differ there den
hall & ward have constantly made mistakes that has cost the team, when he has had branco in the sqaud who is far better than both
is bartram not a full back? but chooses to play hall
most teams will go to stevenage and have areal go with two upfront and most probably get all three points
[quote][p][bold]Oi Den![/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mrwoo[/bold] wrote: Paulo prepared for every match properly. Cooper is not a manager, clueless. How many videos of the opposition has he watched, how has he tweaked the team and style of play to win the game? He seems to think it's all a big laugh and probably has the safest job in football.[/p][/quote]"Paulo" also had the advantage of being able to choose the players he wanted - and he even got that wrong many times. Then, as soon as he was faced with working with a weakened squad, he chucked the towel in. Cooper "seems to think it's a big laugh"? Total crap and a gross insult to the man's professional integrity. He sounded anything but happy in his interview last night. For me, the revealing moment was when he was asked about potential new signings. His reply was a curt one word: "Nothing". There's the problem. The squad is inadequate and there's nothing Cooper can do about it. If we change the manager, things are as likely to get worse as to get better.[/p][/quote]nothing cooper can do about it ? beg to differ there den hall & ward have constantly made mistakes that has cost the team, when he has had branco in the sqaud who is far better than both is bartram not a full back? but chooses to play hall most teams will go to stevenage and have areal go with two upfront and most probably get all three points alchafreds
  • Score: 2

6:38pm Wed 15 Jan 14

Oi Den! says...

grim, I agree with all you say about those players. (I've noticed that we do tend to agree on players). I'm as mystified as you. It's just that I think whichever way Power shakes it up, the squad is lacking leadership and desire.
grim, I agree with all you say about those players. (I've noticed that we do tend to agree on players). I'm as mystified as you. It's just that I think whichever way Power shakes it up, the squad is lacking leadership and desire. Oi Den!
  • Score: 0

6:52pm Wed 15 Jan 14

smirg kcab says...

Oi Den! wrote:
grim, I agree with all you say about those players. (I've noticed that we do tend to agree on players). I'm as mystified as you. It's just that I think whichever way Power shakes it up, the squad is lacking leadership and desire.
We never replaced a player in the calibre of Greer who was a true leader
[quote][p][bold]Oi Den![/bold] wrote: grim, I agree with all you say about those players. (I've noticed that we do tend to agree on players). I'm as mystified as you. It's just that I think whichever way Power shakes it up, the squad is lacking leadership and desire.[/p][/quote]We never replaced a player in the calibre of Greer who was a true leader smirg kcab
  • Score: -2

7:03pm Wed 15 Jan 14

lifelong red says...

Oi Den! wrote:
Wilesy wrote:
lifelong red wrote:
I know its been said many times before but i'm going to say it again ,this is a very young team, who on their day , can be one of the most attractive sides to watch in the lower leagues .But their are 3 vital ingredients missing,firstly-phys



ic-their is a lack of it ,particurly in the midfield ,Chalky White summed it up perfectly in his after match summory ,when he said we need a strong ballwinner there. Secondly- experience- apart from wardy , there is hardly a player over the age of 23. And lastly , but most importantly leadership,we simply don't have any - ward is the captain but he struggles with his own game to be of any influence. I am sure Mark Cooper is well aware of all this, but its never easy when your working to a tight budget.
3 good but well established points but this has been apparent for about 4 months.

We lost Macca and Flint in particular and brought in how many players over the summer?

Instead of overfilling the creative midfield positions we should have brought in some Div 2 or Conference level big lads / leaders, on low wages who wouldn't mind getting their kit dirty on nights like last night who could feed the ball to the superstars.

How many times do you see Mason steaming back to win a tackle by his corner flag like Macca used to?

How many times do you see Kasim or Luongo making 3 lung busting runs chasing lost causes in injury time like Ferry used to?

How many times do you see Hall take 2 men out in winning a majestic leaping header like Flint used to?

Instead we see 1 good game in 8 away from home, from players that aren't up for it from what we saw last night.

We all knew how Stevenage would play and our tactics played completely into their hands. It was embarrassing and sadly after 4 months of it now very predictable.
Excellent post Wilesy. You've summed it all up perfectly and your anger is very obvious. I think there was a touch of anger in your reply to me too.

Power got it wrong in the summer. The repercussions of those mistakes surface in nearly every away game - and we've got out of jail a few times at home too.

"Instead of overfilling the creative midfield positions we should have brought in some Div 2 or Conference level big lads / leaders, on low wages who wouldn't mind getting their kit dirty on nights like last night who could feed the ball to the superstars." Spot on - but it wouldn't have satisfied the rules of the old pals act.
I do see your point about flint and macca , and until we get players of this calibre into the team I believe we will continue to struggle away .The squad is saturated with to many youngsters
[quote][p][bold]Oi Den![/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Wilesy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]lifelong red[/bold] wrote: I know its been said many times before but i'm going to say it again ,this is a very young team, who on their day , can be one of the most attractive sides to watch in the lower leagues .But their are 3 vital ingredients missing,firstly-phys ic-their is a lack of it ,particurly in the midfield ,Chalky White summed it up perfectly in his after match summory ,when he said we need a strong ballwinner there. Secondly- experience- apart from wardy , there is hardly a player over the age of 23. And lastly , but most importantly leadership,we simply don't have any - ward is the captain but he struggles with his own game to be of any influence. I am sure Mark Cooper is well aware of all this, but its never easy when your working to a tight budget.[/p][/quote]3 good but well established points but this has been apparent for about 4 months. We lost Macca and Flint in particular and brought in how many players over the summer? Instead of overfilling the creative midfield positions we should have brought in some Div 2 or Conference level big lads / leaders, on low wages who wouldn't mind getting their kit dirty on nights like last night who could feed the ball to the superstars. How many times do you see Mason steaming back to win a tackle by his corner flag like Macca used to? How many times do you see Kasim or Luongo making 3 lung busting runs chasing lost causes in injury time like Ferry used to? How many times do you see Hall take 2 men out in winning a majestic leaping header like Flint used to? Instead we see 1 good game in 8 away from home, from players that aren't up for it from what we saw last night. We all knew how Stevenage would play and our tactics played completely into their hands. It was embarrassing and sadly after 4 months of it now very predictable.[/p][/quote]Excellent post Wilesy. You've summed it all up perfectly and your anger is very obvious. I think there was a touch of anger in your reply to me too. Power got it wrong in the summer. The repercussions of those mistakes surface in nearly every away game - and we've got out of jail a few times at home too. "Instead of overfilling the creative midfield positions we should have brought in some Div 2 or Conference level big lads / leaders, on low wages who wouldn't mind getting their kit dirty on nights like last night who could feed the ball to the superstars." Spot on - but it wouldn't have satisfied the rules of the old pals act.[/p][/quote]I do see your point about flint and macca , and until we get players of this calibre into the team I believe we will continue to struggle away .The squad is saturated with to many youngsters lifelong red
  • Score: 3

7:21pm Wed 15 Jan 14

The Jockster says...

Wilesy wrote:
Oi Den! wrote:
Wilesy wrote:
lifelong red wrote:
I know its been said many times before but i'm going to say it again ,this is a very young team, who on their day , can be one of the most attractive sides to watch in the lower leagues .But their are 3 vital ingredients missing,firstly-phys




ic-their is a lack of it ,particurly in the midfield ,Chalky White summed it up perfectly in his after match summory ,when he said we need a strong ballwinner there. Secondly- experience- apart from wardy , there is hardly a player over the age of 23. And lastly , but most importantly leadership,we simply don't have any - ward is the captain but he struggles with his own game to be of any influence. I am sure Mark Cooper is well aware of all this, but its never easy when your working to a tight budget.
3 good but well established points but this has been apparent for about 4 months.

We lost Macca and Flint in particular and brought in how many players over the summer?

Instead of overfilling the creative midfield positions we should have brought in some Div 2 or Conference level big lads / leaders, on low wages who wouldn't mind getting their kit dirty on nights like last night who could feed the ball to the superstars.

How many times do you see Mason steaming back to win a tackle by his corner flag like Macca used to?

How many times do you see Kasim or Luongo making 3 lung busting runs chasing lost causes in injury time like Ferry used to?

How many times do you see Hall take 2 men out in winning a majestic leaping header like Flint used to?

Instead we see 1 good game in 8 away from home, from players that aren't up for it from what we saw last night.

We all knew how Stevenage would play and our tactics played completely into their hands. It was embarrassing and sadly after 4 months of it now very predictable.
Excellent post Wilesy. You've summed it all up perfectly and your anger is very obvious. I think there was a touch of anger in your reply to me too.

Power got it wrong in the summer. The repercussions of those mistakes surface in nearly every away game - and we've got out of jail a few times at home too.

"Instead of overfilling the creative midfield positions we should have brought in some Div 2 or Conference level big lads / leaders, on low wages who wouldn't mind getting their kit dirty on nights like last night who could feed the ball to the superstars." Spot on - but it wouldn't have satisfied the rules of the old pals act.
Apologies if I replied a bit curtly Den it was more haste than rudeness, I try and be polite on here as much as possible.

I'm not happy about last night's game though hence today's rants

Personally I spent about £42 last night taking into account ticket money, contribution to petrol, programme, plus a bite to eat and drink. We stood in the cold watching our team perform like that then a 2 hour drive home afterwards.

Appreciate you have to take the rough with the smooth when following a team round the country but to then hear Cooper's excuses once again about how we're a young team plus criticizing me and other fans for not liking 4-6-0 has got my goat up.

I see Power is spending one of his upcoming 90 mornings in the UK at Adver Towers discussing how the Adver should behave, perhaps that time would be better spent on the phone trying to wheel and deal.
Wilesy I totally agree - not there last night but what you went through last night I suffered at Crawley at a similar cost and the boys have Walsall and Crewe pencilled in. Yes we have to take the rough with the smooth but having coughed up our hard earned (after all we pay the players wages) the very least anybody should expect is for the players to put in a shift- going down fighting I can handle but the spineless gutless away performances that the travelling fans have had to endure are not on and like you I resent Cooper using the 4-6-0 fans don't like it excuse. As others have said why can't we try a couple of route1 clearances from Wes to Ranger & D N'G to mix it up a bit. Power may well be dictating the overall playing style but I can't believe Cooper & Williams don't have some leeway to change things if the pretty stuff isn't working - and ok we might "have to play" Hall but surely if he's having a mare they can pull him off and change it around. The other problem alluded to by many is that the loanees don't really give a toss whether the team wins or not and that rightly sticks in the craw.
[quote][p][bold]Wilesy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Oi Den![/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Wilesy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]lifelong red[/bold] wrote: I know its been said many times before but i'm going to say it again ,this is a very young team, who on their day , can be one of the most attractive sides to watch in the lower leagues .But their are 3 vital ingredients missing,firstly-phys ic-their is a lack of it ,particurly in the midfield ,Chalky White summed it up perfectly in his after match summory ,when he said we need a strong ballwinner there. Secondly- experience- apart from wardy , there is hardly a player over the age of 23. And lastly , but most importantly leadership,we simply don't have any - ward is the captain but he struggles with his own game to be of any influence. I am sure Mark Cooper is well aware of all this, but its never easy when your working to a tight budget.[/p][/quote]3 good but well established points but this has been apparent for about 4 months. We lost Macca and Flint in particular and brought in how many players over the summer? Instead of overfilling the creative midfield positions we should have brought in some Div 2 or Conference level big lads / leaders, on low wages who wouldn't mind getting their kit dirty on nights like last night who could feed the ball to the superstars. How many times do you see Mason steaming back to win a tackle by his corner flag like Macca used to? How many times do you see Kasim or Luongo making 3 lung busting runs chasing lost causes in injury time like Ferry used to? How many times do you see Hall take 2 men out in winning a majestic leaping header like Flint used to? Instead we see 1 good game in 8 away from home, from players that aren't up for it from what we saw last night. We all knew how Stevenage would play and our tactics played completely into their hands. It was embarrassing and sadly after 4 months of it now very predictable.[/p][/quote]Excellent post Wilesy. You've summed it all up perfectly and your anger is very obvious. I think there was a touch of anger in your reply to me too. Power got it wrong in the summer. The repercussions of those mistakes surface in nearly every away game - and we've got out of jail a few times at home too. "Instead of overfilling the creative midfield positions we should have brought in some Div 2 or Conference level big lads / leaders, on low wages who wouldn't mind getting their kit dirty on nights like last night who could feed the ball to the superstars." Spot on - but it wouldn't have satisfied the rules of the old pals act.[/p][/quote]Apologies if I replied a bit curtly Den it was more haste than rudeness, I try and be polite on here as much as possible. I'm not happy about last night's game though hence today's rants Personally I spent about £42 last night taking into account ticket money, contribution to petrol, programme, plus a bite to eat and drink. We stood in the cold watching our team perform like that then a 2 hour drive home afterwards. Appreciate you have to take the rough with the smooth when following a team round the country but to then hear Cooper's excuses once again about how we're a young team plus criticizing me and other fans for not liking 4-6-0 has got my goat up. I see Power is spending one of his upcoming 90 mornings in the UK at Adver Towers discussing how the Adver should behave, perhaps that time would be better spent on the phone trying to wheel and deal.[/p][/quote]Wilesy I totally agree - not there last night but what you went through last night I suffered at Crawley at a similar cost and the boys have Walsall and Crewe pencilled in. Yes we have to take the rough with the smooth but having coughed up our hard earned (after all we pay the players wages) the very least anybody should expect is for the players to put in a shift- going down fighting I can handle but the spineless gutless away performances that the travelling fans have had to endure are not on and like you I resent Cooper using the 4-6-0 fans don't like it excuse. As others have said why can't we try a couple of route1 clearances from Wes to Ranger & D N'G to mix it up a bit. Power may well be dictating the overall playing style but I can't believe Cooper & Williams don't have some leeway to change things if the pretty stuff isn't working - and ok we might "have to play" Hall but surely if he's having a mare they can pull him off and change it around. The other problem alluded to by many is that the loanees don't really give a toss whether the team wins or not and that rightly sticks in the craw. The Jockster
  • Score: -1

7:25pm Wed 15 Jan 14

alchafreds says...

The Jockster wrote:
Wilesy wrote:
Oi Den! wrote:
Wilesy wrote:
lifelong red wrote:
I know its been said many times before but i'm going to say it again ,this is a very young team, who on their day , can be one of the most attractive sides to watch in the lower leagues .But their are 3 vital ingredients missing,firstly-phys





ic-their is a lack of it ,particurly in the midfield ,Chalky White summed it up perfectly in his after match summory ,when he said we need a strong ballwinner there. Secondly- experience- apart from wardy , there is hardly a player over the age of 23. And lastly , but most importantly leadership,we simply don't have any - ward is the captain but he struggles with his own game to be of any influence. I am sure Mark Cooper is well aware of all this, but its never easy when your working to a tight budget.
3 good but well established points but this has been apparent for about 4 months.

We lost Macca and Flint in particular and brought in how many players over the summer?

Instead of overfilling the creative midfield positions we should have brought in some Div 2 or Conference level big lads / leaders, on low wages who wouldn't mind getting their kit dirty on nights like last night who could feed the ball to the superstars.

How many times do you see Mason steaming back to win a tackle by his corner flag like Macca used to?

How many times do you see Kasim or Luongo making 3 lung busting runs chasing lost causes in injury time like Ferry used to?

How many times do you see Hall take 2 men out in winning a majestic leaping header like Flint used to?

Instead we see 1 good game in 8 away from home, from players that aren't up for it from what we saw last night.

We all knew how Stevenage would play and our tactics played completely into their hands. It was embarrassing and sadly after 4 months of it now very predictable.
Excellent post Wilesy. You've summed it all up perfectly and your anger is very obvious. I think there was a touch of anger in your reply to me too.

Power got it wrong in the summer. The repercussions of those mistakes surface in nearly every away game - and we've got out of jail a few times at home too.

"Instead of overfilling the creative midfield positions we should have brought in some Div 2 or Conference level big lads / leaders, on low wages who wouldn't mind getting their kit dirty on nights like last night who could feed the ball to the superstars." Spot on - but it wouldn't have satisfied the rules of the old pals act.
Apologies if I replied a bit curtly Den it was more haste than rudeness, I try and be polite on here as much as possible.

I'm not happy about last night's game though hence today's rants

Personally I spent about £42 last night taking into account ticket money, contribution to petrol, programme, plus a bite to eat and drink. We stood in the cold watching our team perform like that then a 2 hour drive home afterwards.

Appreciate you have to take the rough with the smooth when following a team round the country but to then hear Cooper's excuses once again about how we're a young team plus criticizing me and other fans for not liking 4-6-0 has got my goat up.

I see Power is spending one of his upcoming 90 mornings in the UK at Adver Towers discussing how the Adver should behave, perhaps that time would be better spent on the phone trying to wheel and deal.
Wilesy I totally agree - not there last night but what you went through last night I suffered at Crawley at a similar cost and the boys have Walsall and Crewe pencilled in. Yes we have to take the rough with the smooth but having coughed up our hard earned (after all we pay the players wages) the very least anybody should expect is for the players to put in a shift- going down fighting I can handle but the spineless gutless away performances that the travelling fans have had to endure are not on and like you I resent Cooper using the 4-6-0 fans don't like it excuse. As others have said why can't we try a couple of route1 clearances from Wes to Ranger & D N'G to mix it up a bit. Power may well be dictating the overall playing style but I can't believe Cooper & Williams don't have some leeway to change things if the pretty stuff isn't working - and ok we might "have to play" Hall but surely if he's having a mare they can pull him off and change it around. The other problem alluded to by many is that the loanees don't really give a toss whether the team wins or not and that rightly sticks in the craw.
very well said jock
[quote][p][bold]The Jockster[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Wilesy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Oi Den![/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Wilesy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]lifelong red[/bold] wrote: I know its been said many times before but i'm going to say it again ,this is a very young team, who on their day , can be one of the most attractive sides to watch in the lower leagues .But their are 3 vital ingredients missing,firstly-phys ic-their is a lack of it ,particurly in the midfield ,Chalky White summed it up perfectly in his after match summory ,when he said we need a strong ballwinner there. Secondly- experience- apart from wardy , there is hardly a player over the age of 23. And lastly , but most importantly leadership,we simply don't have any - ward is the captain but he struggles with his own game to be of any influence. I am sure Mark Cooper is well aware of all this, but its never easy when your working to a tight budget.[/p][/quote]3 good but well established points but this has been apparent for about 4 months. We lost Macca and Flint in particular and brought in how many players over the summer? Instead of overfilling the creative midfield positions we should have brought in some Div 2 or Conference level big lads / leaders, on low wages who wouldn't mind getting their kit dirty on nights like last night who could feed the ball to the superstars. How many times do you see Mason steaming back to win a tackle by his corner flag like Macca used to? How many times do you see Kasim or Luongo making 3 lung busting runs chasing lost causes in injury time like Ferry used to? How many times do you see Hall take 2 men out in winning a majestic leaping header like Flint used to? Instead we see 1 good game in 8 away from home, from players that aren't up for it from what we saw last night. We all knew how Stevenage would play and our tactics played completely into their hands. It was embarrassing and sadly after 4 months of it now very predictable.[/p][/quote]Excellent post Wilesy. You've summed it all up perfectly and your anger is very obvious. I think there was a touch of anger in your reply to me too. Power got it wrong in the summer. The repercussions of those mistakes surface in nearly every away game - and we've got out of jail a few times at home too. "Instead of overfilling the creative midfield positions we should have brought in some Div 2 or Conference level big lads / leaders, on low wages who wouldn't mind getting their kit dirty on nights like last night who could feed the ball to the superstars." Spot on - but it wouldn't have satisfied the rules of the old pals act.[/p][/quote]Apologies if I replied a bit curtly Den it was more haste than rudeness, I try and be polite on here as much as possible. I'm not happy about last night's game though hence today's rants Personally I spent about £42 last night taking into account ticket money, contribution to petrol, programme, plus a bite to eat and drink. We stood in the cold watching our team perform like that then a 2 hour drive home afterwards. Appreciate you have to take the rough with the smooth when following a team round the country but to then hear Cooper's excuses once again about how we're a young team plus criticizing me and other fans for not liking 4-6-0 has got my goat up. I see Power is spending one of his upcoming 90 mornings in the UK at Adver Towers discussing how the Adver should behave, perhaps that time would be better spent on the phone trying to wheel and deal.[/p][/quote]Wilesy I totally agree - not there last night but what you went through last night I suffered at Crawley at a similar cost and the boys have Walsall and Crewe pencilled in. Yes we have to take the rough with the smooth but having coughed up our hard earned (after all we pay the players wages) the very least anybody should expect is for the players to put in a shift- going down fighting I can handle but the spineless gutless away performances that the travelling fans have had to endure are not on and like you I resent Cooper using the 4-6-0 fans don't like it excuse. As others have said why can't we try a couple of route1 clearances from Wes to Ranger & D N'G to mix it up a bit. Power may well be dictating the overall playing style but I can't believe Cooper & Williams don't have some leeway to change things if the pretty stuff isn't working - and ok we might "have to play" Hall but surely if he's having a mare they can pull him off and change it around. The other problem alluded to by many is that the loanees don't really give a toss whether the team wins or not and that rightly sticks in the craw.[/p][/quote]very well said jock alchafreds
  • Score: -3

7:58pm Wed 15 Jan 14

Oi Den! says...

Jock and Wilesy, to be fair to Cooper I don't really think he was criticising the fans. He was just saying what we all know - whether we attack or defend, our players are crap away from home. I've always had strong doubts about having so many loan players and I do think that is a part of the problem. It is also, as Wilesy points out, that there are too many players of the same type. We need a team of Swindon Town players, with the odd loaned player or two, who are committed to the cause. By the way Wilesy, absolutely no offence taken at your rants!
Jock and Wilesy, to be fair to Cooper I don't really think he was criticising the fans. He was just saying what we all know - whether we attack or defend, our players are crap away from home. I've always had strong doubts about having so many loan players and I do think that is a part of the problem. It is also, as Wilesy points out, that there are too many players of the same type. We need a team of Swindon Town players, with the odd loaned player or two, who are committed to the cause. By the way Wilesy, absolutely no offence taken at your rants! Oi Den!
  • Score: -2

8:49pm Wed 15 Jan 14

Pewsham Red says...

Chish and Fips wrote:
bradley red 1 wrote:
Excuses like you keep spouting will in the end cost you your job cooper,fingers crossed.
You made your point weeks ago about MC - why do you incessantly keep repeating yourself.
We get your point and whether we agree with it is another thing.
Please be more constructive - and at least put some sensible suggestions of your plans or thoughts of who you have in mind, where all the monies are going to be coming from to pay for this etc.. etc. forward, that you must have to hand after all this time of spouting off.
Constructive? This clown? No chance. At least he has been consistent in that he has never said anything worthwhile or positive in the last five years. He doesn't like anyone or anything.

You can bet if we were top of the league and winning every game you wouldn't get a peep out of him. Very sad.
[quote][p][bold]Chish and Fips[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]bradley red 1[/bold] wrote: Excuses like you keep spouting will in the end cost you your job cooper,fingers crossed.[/p][/quote]You made your point weeks ago about MC - why do you incessantly keep repeating yourself. We get your point and whether we agree with it is another thing. Please be more constructive - and at least put some sensible suggestions of your plans or thoughts of who you have in mind, where all the monies are going to be coming from to pay for this etc.. etc. forward, that you must have to hand after all this time of spouting off.[/p][/quote]Constructive? This clown? No chance. At least he has been consistent in that he has never said anything worthwhile or positive in the last five years. He doesn't like anyone or anything. You can bet if we were top of the league and winning every game you wouldn't get a peep out of him. Very sad. Pewsham Red
  • Score: 1

8:58pm Wed 15 Jan 14

dazzastfc says...

mrwoo wrote:
Paulo prepared for every match properly. Cooper is not a manager, clueless.
How many videos of the opposition has he watched, how has he tweaked the team and style of play to win the game?
He seems to think it's all a big laugh and probably has the safest job in football.
THAT'S WHY HE WAS A SUCCESS AT SUNDERLAND....

When he was here he spent a LOT OF MONEY BY BRINGING IN OVER 30 PLAYERS...for a club of are size it was mega money
Yes it all looked great at the time but we are paying for it now BIG TIME
[quote][p][bold]mrwoo[/bold] wrote: Paulo prepared for every match properly. Cooper is not a manager, clueless. How many videos of the opposition has he watched, how has he tweaked the team and style of play to win the game? He seems to think it's all a big laugh and probably has the safest job in football.[/p][/quote]THAT'S WHY HE WAS A SUCCESS AT SUNDERLAND.... When he was here he spent a LOT OF MONEY BY BRINGING IN OVER 30 PLAYERS...for a club of are size it was mega money Yes it all looked great at the time but we are paying for it now BIG TIME dazzastfc
  • Score: 2

10:31pm Wed 15 Jan 14

Oxon-Red says...

Refrained from posting and reading til now because I expected the stayaway when we win brigade to come and enjoy themselves on here. There are a some exceptions one of whom seems to believe that good Managers and wealthy football club owners grow on trees.

I believe I have been consistent in saying that this season with a young team would be full of good and bad performances. And that survival was the key as next season could, provided we kept the core, be the season.

I believe that because we have probably exceeded expectations many are thinking we are failing. Are we ? Bigger teams than us are doing far worse. We have lost more game than City but we are well above them so...

Our away form is poor but that happens in football. It is frustrating but we could be the same as Oxford, winning away and losing at home.

After the turmoil of the last 12-14 months a bit of patience is called for IMO.

COYMR

ps bit of an aside and food for thought, Peterborough had a £1.6M Striker playing for them on Saturday. How much for Ranger IF he is acquitted ?
Refrained from posting and reading til now because I expected the stayaway when we win brigade to come and enjoy themselves on here. There are a some exceptions one of whom seems to believe that good Managers and wealthy football club owners grow on trees. I believe I have been consistent in saying that this season with a young team would be full of good and bad performances. And that survival was the key as next season could, provided we kept the core, be the season. I believe that because we have probably exceeded expectations many are thinking we are failing. Are we ? Bigger teams than us are doing far worse. We have lost more game than City but we are well above them so... Our away form is poor but that happens in football. It is frustrating but we could be the same as Oxford, winning away and losing at home. After the turmoil of the last 12-14 months a bit of patience is called for IMO. COYMR ps bit of an aside and food for thought, Peterborough had a £1.6M Striker playing for them on Saturday. How much for Ranger IF he is acquitted ? Oxon-Red
  • Score: 0

11:24pm Wed 15 Jan 14

harley red says...

Cookie43 wrote:
harley red wrote:
Cookie43 wrote:
bradley red 1 wrote:
Excuses like you keep spouting will in the end cost you your job cooper,fingers crossed.
Bradley Red you really are a total Dick!
You are nothing but a disgrace You are not a Town fan !.
Your constant disgusting attacking comments really are the lowest of the low.
NO true fan would attack the club, players, manager and owners like you do.
If it disgusts you that much then just Pi.. Off and to the club and the rest of us a favour and do not come back. I say again you are not a town fan you are a internet troll!! using a keyboard to post vile comments i bet you would to scared to confront them and say it to their faces. last night you attacked players club and manager. We are a poor money wise club and at the moment we are in the top 10 punching above our weight. at the beginning of the season after al the crap we had to deal with basically a new squad i would of been over the moon with a mid table safe finish yet we find ourselves just of the play offs. Peterborough had a 1.2 million striker and we beat them!
We can not compete with other clubs even Rotherham beat us to the signing of Thomas we have to live on a shoestring budget. You live in a dream world if you think we can bring in bigger and better players. So change your name to Bradley Yellow because thats where i believe your loyalties really lie.
What a prat you are the club is in a poor condition both on and off the pitch and if you can't see that you must be stupid as you believe our duo power and cooper and all the rubbish they spout
Listen you first class Dick
Thats not what i said read my post
Yes we are in a bad way money wise and yes we are hit and miss on the pitch but do you see decent fans turning on the players manager and owners NO!! we get behind our club and support it. NOT continue a day by day hate and disgusting campaign against the club.
I fully except we are struggling away but we are in the top half of the table which after all the crap and changes at the club is bloody brilliant.
The club does not need so called fans like you.
A true fan would support the club through good times and bad
If you hate them all so much do yourself and the club a favour and STAY AWAY!!!!!
You **** I have been going since a lad in 1967 and have seen many ups and downs but what we are is a shop window for spurs and it seems to me that power is right up Sherwood as that is always his mate , I have seen similar situations at the town before and our club will be the looser
[quote][p][bold]Cookie43[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]harley red[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Cookie43[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]bradley red 1[/bold] wrote: Excuses like you keep spouting will in the end cost you your job cooper,fingers crossed.[/p][/quote]Bradley Red you really are a total Dick! You are nothing but a disgrace You are not a Town fan !. Your constant disgusting attacking comments really are the lowest of the low. NO true fan would attack the club, players, manager and owners like you do. If it disgusts you that much then just Pi.. Off and to the club and the rest of us a favour and do not come back. I say again you are not a town fan you are a internet troll!! using a keyboard to post vile comments i bet you would to scared to confront them and say it to their faces. last night you attacked players club and manager. We are a poor money wise club and at the moment we are in the top 10 punching above our weight. at the beginning of the season after al the crap we had to deal with basically a new squad i would of been over the moon with a mid table safe finish yet we find ourselves just of the play offs. Peterborough had a 1.2 million striker and we beat them! We can not compete with other clubs even Rotherham beat us to the signing of Thomas we have to live on a shoestring budget. You live in a dream world if you think we can bring in bigger and better players. So change your name to Bradley Yellow because thats where i believe your loyalties really lie.[/p][/quote]What a prat you are the club is in a poor condition both on and off the pitch and if you can't see that you must be stupid as you believe our duo power and cooper and all the rubbish they spout[/p][/quote]Listen you first class Dick Thats not what i said read my post Yes we are in a bad way money wise and yes we are hit and miss on the pitch but do you see decent fans turning on the players manager and owners NO!! we get behind our club and support it. NOT continue a day by day hate and disgusting campaign against the club. I fully except we are struggling away but we are in the top half of the table which after all the crap and changes at the club is bloody brilliant. The club does not need so called fans like you. A true fan would support the club through good times and bad If you hate them all so much do yourself and the club a favour and STAY AWAY!!!!![/p][/quote]You **** I have been going since a lad in 1967 and have seen many ups and downs but what we are is a shop window for spurs and it seems to me that power is right up Sherwood as that is always his mate , I have seen similar situations at the town before and our club will be the looser harley red
  • Score: -5

11:38pm Wed 15 Jan 14

The Jockster says...

Oxon it is the losing without a fight that is ****!ng people off!!! not the fact we are a club in transition with no money to spend. If ( that big little word I know) we had shown some spirit in only half of the games we have lost away we'd more than likely have a) been comfortable in a playoff position & b) have secured L1 status. All pure speculation I concede but you get my drift. We have players and not just the loanees who are and have been guilty of not wanting to be at the races let alone be in the starting stall and the prime offenders are the midfield trio of Luongo Mason & Kasim who all shine when it suits them but the trouble is most of the time it doesn't suit and when you've driven two three four hours to an away game and spent a load of dosh you are entitled to expect your team to turn up surely? We can all forgive the odd stinker of a game but it's happened far too often already this season.

Sorry but I also don't buy your Ranger/Posh striker £1-6m analogy -their man probably hasn't got a track record like NR so while your valuation might be correct on paper in reality might a club be wary of spending big money ona known risk?
Oxon it is the losing without a fight that is ****!ng people off!!! not the fact we are a club in transition with no money to spend. If ( that big little word I know) we had shown some spirit in only half of the games we have lost away we'd more than likely have a) been comfortable in a playoff position & b) have secured L1 status. All pure speculation I concede but you get my drift. We have players and not just the loanees who are and have been guilty of not wanting to be at the races let alone be in the starting stall and the prime offenders are the midfield trio of Luongo Mason & Kasim who all shine when it suits them but the trouble is most of the time it doesn't suit and when you've driven two three four hours to an away game and spent a load of dosh you are entitled to expect your team to turn up surely? We can all forgive the odd stinker of a game but it's happened far too often already this season. Sorry but I also don't buy your Ranger/Posh striker £1-6m analogy -their man probably hasn't got a track record like NR so while your valuation might be correct on paper in reality might a club be wary of spending big money ona known risk? The Jockster
  • Score: -3

8:17am Thu 16 Jan 14

The Jockster says...

Obviously the minus muppets don't go to away games!
Obviously the minus muppets don't go to away games! The Jockster
  • Score: 3

9:06am Thu 16 Jan 14

Cookie43 says...

harley red wrote:
Cookie43 wrote:
harley red wrote:
Cookie43 wrote:
bradley red 1 wrote:
Excuses like you keep spouting will in the end cost you your job cooper,fingers crossed.
Bradley Red you really are a total Dick!
You are nothing but a disgrace You are not a Town fan !.
Your constant disgusting attacking comments really are the lowest of the low.
NO true fan would attack the club, players, manager and owners like you do.
If it disgusts you that much then just Pi.. Off and to the club and the rest of us a favour and do not come back. I say again you are not a town fan you are a internet troll!! using a keyboard to post vile comments i bet you would to scared to confront them and say it to their faces. last night you attacked players club and manager. We are a poor money wise club and at the moment we are in the top 10 punching above our weight. at the beginning of the season after al the crap we had to deal with basically a new squad i would of been over the moon with a mid table safe finish yet we find ourselves just of the play offs. Peterborough had a 1.2 million striker and we beat them!
We can not compete with other clubs even Rotherham beat us to the signing of Thomas we have to live on a shoestring budget. You live in a dream world if you think we can bring in bigger and better players. So change your name to Bradley Yellow because thats where i believe your loyalties really lie.
What a prat you are the club is in a poor condition both on and off the pitch and if you can't see that you must be stupid as you believe our duo power and cooper and all the rubbish they spout
Listen you first class Dick
Thats not what i said read my post
Yes we are in a bad way money wise and yes we are hit and miss on the pitch but do you see decent fans turning on the players manager and owners NO!! we get behind our club and support it. NOT continue a day by day hate and disgusting campaign against the club.
I fully except we are struggling away but we are in the top half of the table which after all the crap and changes at the club is bloody brilliant.
The club does not need so called fans like you.
A true fan would support the club through good times and bad
If you hate them all so much do yourself and the club a favour and STAY AWAY!!!!!
You **** I have been going since a lad in 1967 and have seen many ups and downs but what we are is a shop window for spurs and it seems to me that power is right up Sherwood as that is always his mate , I have seen similar situations at the town before and our club will be the looser
Firstly i couldnt give a monkeys bollo.ck how long you have been going does not make you a better fan!!
I feel sorry for you all those years moaning and hate.
You seem to have a lot of anger and hate stored up maybe a course of anger management because i am sick to death of reading your vile pathetic abuse at the club no one is safe players manager owner whats next the tea lady?
Whats the alternative enlighten us all?
Whats your business plan to fund new players manager etc?
How should the club be run ?
Tell us as you seem to be the expert?
Whats your business model as we have no money low gates
So please please Bradley red come and save the club with your ideas. If not then try and support the club instead of attacking it at every opportunity.
If not stay away if you hate it that much.
[quote][p][bold]harley red[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Cookie43[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]harley red[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Cookie43[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]bradley red 1[/bold] wrote: Excuses like you keep spouting will in the end cost you your job cooper,fingers crossed.[/p][/quote]Bradley Red you really are a total Dick! You are nothing but a disgrace You are not a Town fan !. Your constant disgusting attacking comments really are the lowest of the low. NO true fan would attack the club, players, manager and owners like you do. If it disgusts you that much then just Pi.. Off and to the club and the rest of us a favour and do not come back. I say again you are not a town fan you are a internet troll!! using a keyboard to post vile comments i bet you would to scared to confront them and say it to their faces. last night you attacked players club and manager. We are a poor money wise club and at the moment we are in the top 10 punching above our weight. at the beginning of the season after al the crap we had to deal with basically a new squad i would of been over the moon with a mid table safe finish yet we find ourselves just of the play offs. Peterborough had a 1.2 million striker and we beat them! We can not compete with other clubs even Rotherham beat us to the signing of Thomas we have to live on a shoestring budget. You live in a dream world if you think we can bring in bigger and better players. So change your name to Bradley Yellow because thats where i believe your loyalties really lie.[/p][/quote]What a prat you are the club is in a poor condition both on and off the pitch and if you can't see that you must be stupid as you believe our duo power and cooper and all the rubbish they spout[/p][/quote]Listen you first class Dick Thats not what i said read my post Yes we are in a bad way money wise and yes we are hit and miss on the pitch but do you see decent fans turning on the players manager and owners NO!! we get behind our club and support it. NOT continue a day by day hate and disgusting campaign against the club. I fully except we are struggling away but we are in the top half of the table which after all the crap and changes at the club is bloody brilliant. The club does not need so called fans like you. A true fan would support the club through good times and bad If you hate them all so much do yourself and the club a favour and STAY AWAY!!!!![/p][/quote]You **** I have been going since a lad in 1967 and have seen many ups and downs but what we are is a shop window for spurs and it seems to me that power is right up Sherwood as that is always his mate , I have seen similar situations at the town before and our club will be the looser[/p][/quote]Firstly i couldnt give a monkeys bollo.ck how long you have been going does not make you a better fan!! I feel sorry for you all those years moaning and hate. You seem to have a lot of anger and hate stored up maybe a course of anger management because i am sick to death of reading your vile pathetic abuse at the club no one is safe players manager owner whats next the tea lady? Whats the alternative enlighten us all? Whats your business plan to fund new players manager etc? How should the club be run ? Tell us as you seem to be the expert? Whats your business model as we have no money low gates So please please Bradley red come and save the club with your ideas. If not then try and support the club instead of attacking it at every opportunity. If not stay away if you hate it that much. Cookie43
  • Score: 0

10:26am Thu 16 Jan 14

old town robin says...

The Jockster wrote:
Obviously the minus muppets don't go to away games!
Don 't worry Jock, I don't go to away games, but I've just given you a thumbs up, because i agree with you regarding our lack of fight in midfield. Especially Luango and Mason, who don't know or don't want to defend even at home.

Cooper said he asked the advise of his Premiership league chums what to do about Nile, maybe he should go back and ask them what to do to win an away game, or even better study the video of how Wallsall took us apart. They didn't play long balls or tippy-tappy, they played a high line of defence and got in our face and didn't give our midfield any room to think, let alone play.If we had the players prepared to do that, then results would come. The players I mentioned are luxuries we can't afford to carry when the going gets tough and you can add Pritchard to that, but at least with him he's likely to change a game like he has done on several occasions.

With regards the back 4 defence, the goals shown on Sky we conceded Tuesday showed Wes in a very poor light, which is unusual, those record breaking number of clean sheets seem like a distant memory now. Cooper has consistent blamed the players and not himself for the poor performances, but IMO he picks the team and if he hasn't learned by now how the opposition set themselves up to play and pick a team that will match that and even better, then he should look at himself as it's entirely down to his poor management if he doesn;t get it right The majority of fans are calling for Hall to be axed and with the emergence of Branco and the return of Jay, i think there is a strong possibility he may find himself on the bench against the Gills, The next big question would be what to do with Nat Thompson who from what i've seen of him this season he has not settled into this way of playing from the back or is he still carrying an injury, Would really like to see him also rested for the Gills and Barcham who has impressed with his limited appearances given a chance. A back 4 of Barcham, Branco, Ward, McEverley, with Kasim and Louis Thompson in front of them, the other midfield place I would probably give to Hartley with Pritchard, Ranger and a toss up between Barker and N'Guessen to start up front.

I know you disagree, but I believe there is some merit in what Wilsey said, about travelling the night before, they proved that at Colchester. but then again this weeks game at Stevenage is not that far. so no excuses there.

If Cooper changed his defensive tactic because fans didn't like it, he is showing himself to be a weak manager, very poor excuse to move his indecision on to the fans, if he believed in it himself he should stick to his guns and not be swayed by the opinion of others.

Time for Cooper to change something to counter our poor away form, he's let it continue for far too long and doesn't seem to have found an answer, but picking horses for courses might be a good place to start.
[quote][p][bold]The Jockster[/bold] wrote: Obviously the minus muppets don't go to away games![/p][/quote]Don 't worry Jock, I don't go to away games, but I've just given you a thumbs up, because i agree with you regarding our lack of fight in midfield. Especially Luango and Mason, who don't know or don't want to defend even at home. Cooper said he asked the advise of his Premiership league chums what to do about Nile, maybe he should go back and ask them what to do to win an away game, or even better study the video of how Wallsall took us apart. They didn't play long balls or tippy-tappy, they played a high line of defence and got in our face and didn't give our midfield any room to think, let alone play.If we had the players prepared to do that, then results would come. The players I mentioned are luxuries we can't afford to carry when the going gets tough and you can add Pritchard to that, but at least with him he's likely to change a game like he has done on several occasions. With regards the back 4 defence, the goals shown on Sky we conceded Tuesday showed Wes in a very poor light, which is unusual, those record breaking number of clean sheets seem like a distant memory now. Cooper has consistent blamed the players and not himself for the poor performances, but IMO he picks the team and if he hasn't learned by now how the opposition set themselves up to play and pick a team that will match that and even better, then he should look at himself as it's entirely down to his poor management if he doesn;t get it right The majority of fans are calling for Hall to be axed and with the emergence of Branco and the return of Jay, i think there is a strong possibility he may find himself on the bench against the Gills, The next big question would be what to do with Nat Thompson who from what i've seen of him this season he has not settled into this way of playing from the back or is he still carrying an injury, Would really like to see him also rested for the Gills and Barcham who has impressed with his limited appearances given a chance. A back 4 of Barcham, Branco, Ward, McEverley, with Kasim and Louis Thompson in front of them, the other midfield place I would probably give to Hartley with Pritchard, Ranger and a toss up between Barker and N'Guessen to start up front. I know you disagree, but I believe there is some merit in what Wilsey said, about travelling the night before, they proved that at Colchester. but then again this weeks game at Stevenage is not that far. so no excuses there. If Cooper changed his defensive tactic because fans didn't like it, he is showing himself to be a weak manager, very poor excuse to move his indecision on to the fans, if he believed in it himself he should stick to his guns and not be swayed by the opinion of others. Time for Cooper to change something to counter our poor away form, he's let it continue for far too long and doesn't seem to have found an answer, but picking horses for courses might be a good place to start. old town robin
  • Score: 0

11:00am Thu 16 Jan 14

Oi Den! says...

OTR, although I agree with many of the points you make, I think it all comes down to the fact that the players are not good enough. By "not good enough" I don't mean not talented. There is a lack of character and leadership in the side. We don't have a captain who can drive the players on to better things. Ward is probably a model professional and role model in many ways but he does not seem to inspire the players. As grim said, we've not had a proper captain since Greer left at the end of 09/10. There were several leaders in that side until it all fell apart.
OTR, although I agree with many of the points you make, I think it all comes down to the fact that the players are not good enough. By "not good enough" I don't mean not talented. There is a lack of character and leadership in the side. We don't have a captain who can drive the players on to better things. Ward is probably a model professional and role model in many ways but he does not seem to inspire the players. As grim said, we've not had a proper captain since Greer left at the end of 09/10. There were several leaders in that side until it all fell apart. Oi Den!
  • Score: 0

11:29am Thu 16 Jan 14

The Jockster says...

OTR I think you are spot on with your analysis and while I agree with Den that talented players they might be but workhorses they ain't and Cooper, limited as his options are, must take some responsibility for playing players out of position and not mixing it up and trying other ideas when tippy tappy has been sussed. Blaming the fans ain't on!

I don't necessarily disagree to travelling the night before(say over 3 hours) and chilling out with a swim or sauna with light training matchday morning. But on the strength of the travel budget it probably won't happen.

On another tack re the Sam ban the cynic in me says there was far more to that issue than SM tweeting about NR. I think Sam who is a good hack has been digging around in Power's allotment and come up with a few rotten spuds that LP might want to conceal in amongst the sack. Entirely pure conjecture on my behalf but it's well known Mr P doesn't like to many fC
facts emerging about his modus operandi does he?
OTR I think you are spot on with your analysis and while I agree with Den that talented players they might be but workhorses they ain't and Cooper, limited as his options are, must take some responsibility for playing players out of position and not mixing it up and trying other ideas when tippy tappy has been sussed. Blaming the fans ain't on! I don't necessarily disagree to travelling the night before(say over 3 hours) and chilling out with a swim or sauna with light training matchday morning. But on the strength of the travel budget it probably won't happen. On another tack re the Sam ban the cynic in me says there was far more to that issue than SM tweeting about NR. I think Sam who is a good hack has been digging around in Power's allotment and come up with a few rotten spuds that LP might want to conceal in amongst the sack. Entirely pure conjecture on my behalf but it's well known Mr P doesn't like to many fC facts emerging about his modus operandi does he? The Jockster
  • Score: 0

11:44am Thu 16 Jan 14

Oi Den! says...

Cooper should have stuck to his guns and continued to play defensively. It's how we beat Peterborough and it's what weak teams have to do if they are to get results. Hart got slaughtered for it, MacDonald got slaughtered for it and Cooper got slaughtered for it but every one of them was operating with a team that would be ripped apart if they played attacking football, particularly away from home. As regards the overpassing, Cooper has never been known for that type of football. It's a directive from above. Sadly, it doesn't appear that League points for Swindon Town are at the top of the list of priorities. Developing players for somebody else seems to be what we're all about now.
Cooper should have stuck to his guns and continued to play defensively. It's how we beat Peterborough and it's what weak teams have to do if they are to get results. Hart got slaughtered for it, MacDonald got slaughtered for it and Cooper got slaughtered for it but every one of them was operating with a team that would be ripped apart if they played attacking football, particularly away from home. As regards the overpassing, Cooper has never been known for that type of football. It's a directive from above. Sadly, it doesn't appear that League points for Swindon Town are at the top of the list of priorities. Developing players for somebody else seems to be what we're all about now. Oi Den!
  • Score: 1

12:20pm Thu 16 Jan 14

old town robin says...

Oi Den! wrote:
OTR, although I agree with many of the points you make, I think it all comes down to the fact that the players are not good enough. By "not good enough" I don't mean not talented. There is a lack of character and leadership in the side. We don't have a captain who can drive the players on to better things. Ward is probably a model professional and role model in many ways but he does not seem to inspire the players. As grim said, we've not had a proper captain since Greer left at the end of 09/10. There were several leaders in that side until it all fell apart.
Wouldn't disagree with any of that Den, except i think most of the players are good enough when they are playing at home, but for some reason cannot reproduce the same form when they are on the road. The only explanation I can come up with, at home opposition tend to sit back and let us press forward and when we are on the road other teams do it to us and we can't handle it. It doesn't make our lot bad players, it's just that they don't have it mentally in them to adapt.

With regards Ward, I've never been a great fan of him as a player or a captain, but if Branco now gets the extended run his form deserves then until we get someone in or Troy or Oakley are up to speed, it's a toss up of whether to continue with the inexperienced Hall who tends to get bullied or the over the top Ward who lacks pace and leadership, either way we don't have a ready made centre back or captain like Greer to change things.
[quote][p][bold]Oi Den![/bold] wrote: OTR, although I agree with many of the points you make, I think it all comes down to the fact that the players are not good enough. By "not good enough" I don't mean not talented. There is a lack of character and leadership in the side. We don't have a captain who can drive the players on to better things. Ward is probably a model professional and role model in many ways but he does not seem to inspire the players. As grim said, we've not had a proper captain since Greer left at the end of 09/10. There were several leaders in that side until it all fell apart.[/p][/quote]Wouldn't disagree with any of that Den, except i think most of the players are good enough when they are playing at home, but for some reason cannot reproduce the same form when they are on the road. The only explanation I can come up with, at home opposition tend to sit back and let us press forward and when we are on the road other teams do it to us and we can't handle it. It doesn't make our lot bad players, it's just that they don't have it mentally in them to adapt. With regards Ward, I've never been a great fan of him as a player or a captain, but if Branco now gets the extended run his form deserves then until we get someone in or Troy or Oakley are up to speed, it's a toss up of whether to continue with the inexperienced Hall who tends to get bullied or the over the top Ward who lacks pace and leadership, either way we don't have a ready made centre back or captain like Greer to change things. old town robin
  • Score: 0

12:33pm Thu 16 Jan 14

old town robin says...

The Jockster wrote:
OTR I think you are spot on with your analysis and while I agree with Den that talented players they might be but workhorses they ain't and Cooper, limited as his options are, must take some responsibility for playing players out of position and not mixing it up and trying other ideas when tippy tappy has been sussed. Blaming the fans ain't on!

I don't necessarily disagree to travelling the night before(say over 3 hours) and chilling out with a swim or sauna with light training matchday morning. But on the strength of the travel budget it probably won't happen.

On another tack re the Sam ban the cynic in me says there was far more to that issue than SM tweeting about NR. I think Sam who is a good hack has been digging around in Power's allotment and come up with a few rotten spuds that LP might want to conceal in amongst the sack. Entirely pure conjecture on my behalf but it's well known Mr P doesn't like to many fC
facts emerging about his modus operandi does he?
Jock, With regards to the banning from Sam, I've said from the start there is more to this than just the tweet of Nile playing. We all know that Jedi tweeting club information was frowned on by LP, He's old school and wants communication broadcast through the proper channels of the club. Nothing wrong with that, i don''t tweet or read twitter myself and I'm sure there a lot of so called celebrities wished they hadn't got into it.

I'm not a great admirer of Sam's way of reporting, it's quite easy to understand why he would get up some peoples nose. We probably won't get to hear the whole story, but expect things to be resolved next week with the Adver changing one or two things in the way they report information related to STFC.
[quote][p][bold]The Jockster[/bold] wrote: OTR I think you are spot on with your analysis and while I agree with Den that talented players they might be but workhorses they ain't and Cooper, limited as his options are, must take some responsibility for playing players out of position and not mixing it up and trying other ideas when tippy tappy has been sussed. Blaming the fans ain't on! I don't necessarily disagree to travelling the night before(say over 3 hours) and chilling out with a swim or sauna with light training matchday morning. But on the strength of the travel budget it probably won't happen. On another tack re the Sam ban the cynic in me says there was far more to that issue than SM tweeting about NR. I think Sam who is a good hack has been digging around in Power's allotment and come up with a few rotten spuds that LP might want to conceal in amongst the sack. Entirely pure conjecture on my behalf but it's well known Mr P doesn't like to many fC facts emerging about his modus operandi does he?[/p][/quote]Jock, With regards to the banning from Sam, I've said from the start there is more to this than just the tweet of Nile playing. We all know that Jedi tweeting club information was frowned on by LP, He's old school and wants communication broadcast through the proper channels of the club. Nothing wrong with that, i don''t tweet or read twitter myself and I'm sure there a lot of so called celebrities wished they hadn't got into it. I'm not a great admirer of Sam's way of reporting, it's quite easy to understand why he would get up some peoples nose. We probably won't get to hear the whole story, but expect things to be resolved next week with the Adver changing one or two things in the way they report information related to STFC. old town robin
  • Score: 0

3:36pm Thu 16 Jan 14

Oxon-Red says...

Oi Den! wrote:
Cooper should have stuck to his guns and continued to play defensively. It's how we beat Peterborough and it's what weak teams have to do if they are to get results. Hart got slaughtered for it, MacDonald got slaughtered for it and Cooper got slaughtered for it but every one of them was operating with a team that would be ripped apart if they played attacking football, particularly away from home. As regards the overpassing, Cooper has never been known for that type of football. It's a directive from above. Sadly, it doesn't appear that League points for Swindon Town are at the top of the list of priorities. Developing players for somebody else seems to be what we're all about now.
Den,

Sort of with you on the loan system but feel, unless it is removed completely for all teams, that we are right to use it (even if it does mean developing players for other teams).

Too much money in the higher leagues nowadays has increased its use. The fear of losing leads to managers not willingly giving youngsters a chance and the lack of competitive reserve team leagues like the old Combination doesn't help.

Having seen Vic's article today and the memories it brought back you could say that historically Town have struggled away from home. Looking back to the Mayes/Rowland Division 3 days we missed out on promotion due to poor away form.

COYMR
[quote][p][bold]Oi Den![/bold] wrote: Cooper should have stuck to his guns and continued to play defensively. It's how we beat Peterborough and it's what weak teams have to do if they are to get results. Hart got slaughtered for it, MacDonald got slaughtered for it and Cooper got slaughtered for it but every one of them was operating with a team that would be ripped apart if they played attacking football, particularly away from home. As regards the overpassing, Cooper has never been known for that type of football. It's a directive from above. Sadly, it doesn't appear that League points for Swindon Town are at the top of the list of priorities. Developing players for somebody else seems to be what we're all about now.[/p][/quote]Den, Sort of with you on the loan system but feel, unless it is removed completely for all teams, that we are right to use it (even if it does mean developing players for other teams). Too much money in the higher leagues nowadays has increased its use. The fear of losing leads to managers not willingly giving youngsters a chance and the lack of competitive reserve team leagues like the old Combination doesn't help. Having seen Vic's article today and the memories it brought back you could say that historically Town have struggled away from home. Looking back to the Mayes/Rowland Division 3 days we missed out on promotion due to poor away form. COYMR Oxon-Red
  • Score: 0

4:10pm Thu 16 Jan 14

Oi Den! says...

old town robin wrote:
Oi Den! wrote:
OTR, although I agree with many of the points you make, I think it all comes down to the fact that the players are not good enough. By "not good enough" I don't mean not talented. There is a lack of character and leadership in the side. We don't have a captain who can drive the players on to better things. Ward is probably a model professional and role model in many ways but he does not seem to inspire the players. As grim said, we've not had a proper captain since Greer left at the end of 09/10. There were several leaders in that side until it all fell apart.
Wouldn't disagree with any of that Den, except i think most of the players are good enough when they are playing at home, but for some reason cannot reproduce the same form when they are on the road. The only explanation I can come up with, at home opposition tend to sit back and let us press forward and when we are on the road other teams do it to us and we can't handle it. It doesn't make our lot bad players, it's just that they don't have it mentally in them to adapt.

With regards Ward, I've never been a great fan of him as a player or a captain, but if Branco now gets the extended run his form deserves then until we get someone in or Troy or Oakley are up to speed, it's a toss up of whether to continue with the inexperienced Hall who tends to get bullied or the over the top Ward who lacks pace and leadership, either way we don't have a ready made centre back or captain like Greer to change things.
I think we're on the same wavelength OTR. Your explanation of the away form is exactly how I see it. No, they are not bad players as such but being able to battle away from home is all part of the package. Oxon is right of course. There have been very few seasons when we've excelled away from home but that's probably true of all clubs. Home advantage is usually a big factor. We've taken the away form to another level this season!
[quote][p][bold]old town robin[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Oi Den![/bold] wrote: OTR, although I agree with many of the points you make, I think it all comes down to the fact that the players are not good enough. By "not good enough" I don't mean not talented. There is a lack of character and leadership in the side. We don't have a captain who can drive the players on to better things. Ward is probably a model professional and role model in many ways but he does not seem to inspire the players. As grim said, we've not had a proper captain since Greer left at the end of 09/10. There were several leaders in that side until it all fell apart.[/p][/quote]Wouldn't disagree with any of that Den, except i think most of the players are good enough when they are playing at home, but for some reason cannot reproduce the same form when they are on the road. The only explanation I can come up with, at home opposition tend to sit back and let us press forward and when we are on the road other teams do it to us and we can't handle it. It doesn't make our lot bad players, it's just that they don't have it mentally in them to adapt. With regards Ward, I've never been a great fan of him as a player or a captain, but if Branco now gets the extended run his form deserves then until we get someone in or Troy or Oakley are up to speed, it's a toss up of whether to continue with the inexperienced Hall who tends to get bullied or the over the top Ward who lacks pace and leadership, either way we don't have a ready made centre back or captain like Greer to change things.[/p][/quote]I think we're on the same wavelength OTR. Your explanation of the away form is exactly how I see it. No, they are not bad players as such but being able to battle away from home is all part of the package. Oxon is right of course. There have been very few seasons when we've excelled away from home but that's probably true of all clubs. Home advantage is usually a big factor. We've taken the away form to another level this season! Oi Den!
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