SWINDON TOWN: Reis, Smith and Archibald-Henville like "new signings" for Cooper

The Wiltshire Gazette and Herald: Swindon Town boss Mark Cooper Swindon Town boss Mark Cooper

MARK Cooper is looking forward to welcoming three “new signings” into his Swindon Town squad in the new year, although their names will be very familiar to fans of the Robins.

Tijane Reis, Alex Smith and Troy Archibald-Henville are all on course for a return to match action in January, according to the Town manager, after lengthy periods out of the game through injury.

The trio have all had operations this season in an effort to rectify a variety of leg and knee problems but they have been hitting the gym hard in recent weeks, and Cooper thinks their comebacks will feel like new additions to his squad as and when they become available once again.

“I think he (Reis) is probably three weeks from actually joining match training. I still think it will be until January for him to get himself really fit and then the biggest thing for him and probably the hardest problem for him will be trying to get back in the team,” Cooper told the Advertiser.

“We’ve got some good attacking players so that’s a good situation for me because it pushes him and it pushes the rest of the players.

“Troy is probably on a similar timescale and Alex Smith as well. They’re all on a similar timescale, they’re all trying to outdo each other in the gym and if we get them three back then we’ll have a very strong squad.”

Meanwhile, Cooper stressed that there is no urgency to review Dany N’Guessan’s contract at the County Ground, despite the striker’s rich vein of form in front of goal.

N’Guessan, who has netted eight goals in 18 games since arriving in Wiltshire from Millwall in the summer, has a one-year contract with Swindon but Cooper said the club are not in a position to discuss any possible extension just yet.

“We’ve got a long way to go, a lot of games, we don’t know what league we’re going to be in so things could change. It’s not something I think either party at the minute are rushing for,” said the Town boss.

“I’m sure that if Dany keeps scoring goals he won’t want to be in a rush to sign a contract.”

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6:24am Mon 9 Dec 13

port de soller says...

perhaps MC will not be here in Jan.
Wow we seem to be scratching around for news
perhaps MC will not be here in Jan. Wow we seem to be scratching around for news port de soller

7:04am Mon 9 Dec 13

U REDS says...

Nice to have an up date on injured players. What about Alan Navaro?
Nice to have an up date on injured players. What about Alan Navaro? U REDS

7:39am Mon 9 Dec 13

Rednwhitewalrus699 says...

not very optimistic about N'Guessan is he? “I’m sure that if Danny keeps scoring goals he won’t want to be in a rush to sign a contract.” Purely inspirational stuff there. And also what does he mean by "we don’t know what league we’re going to be in so things could change", I could tell you that one mate...

On the plus side, when Troy gets back we won't have to play Hall all the time, it'll be easier to grind out points away. Free agent Geohaghon available at cb too, Cooper has signed him before, he'd be free and he's a man mountain with a long throw so worth a look.
not very optimistic about N'Guessan is he? “I’m sure that if Danny keeps scoring goals he won’t want to be in a rush to sign a contract.” Purely inspirational stuff there. And also what does he mean by "we don’t know what league we’re going to be in so things could change", I could tell you that one mate... On the plus side, when Troy gets back we won't have to play Hall all the time, it'll be easier to grind out points away. Free agent Geohaghon available at cb too, Cooper has signed him before, he'd be free and he's a man mountain with a long throw so worth a look. Rednwhitewalrus699

7:52am Mon 9 Dec 13

mancrobin says...

Bit of a reminder how unlucky we have been with injuries which is especially difficult during a transition phase.

Cooper has clearly been told to manage down fan expectations of any significant signings in January. It's the new reality folks.

Well, Yeovil got promoted last season on a lesser budget and I reckon this squad has the capability of doing the same.
Bit of a reminder how unlucky we have been with injuries which is especially difficult during a transition phase. Cooper has clearly been told to manage down fan expectations of any significant signings in January. It's the new reality folks. Well, Yeovil got promoted last season on a lesser budget and I reckon this squad has the capability of doing the same. mancrobin

8:12am Mon 9 Dec 13

London Red says...

You can tell its Monday morning - maybe some of you should visit Reed.co.uk!
You can tell its Monday morning - maybe some of you should visit Reed.co.uk! London Red

8:47am Mon 9 Dec 13

Psychedelic Syd says...

London Red wrote:
You can tell its Monday morning - maybe some of you should visit Reed.co.uk!
Long time no posts LR. Have you been on a gap year or something?!!!

Regards the article, good to see Troy returning to fitness and hope he can give us a bit of consistency and strength in central defence, we need it. Reis impressed me early on in the season, so pleased to see him coming back too and Smith is good as well. It might not be earth shaking Monday morning news but I should think we've all had enough of minor earthquakes at our club so some good news to start the week is great news to me! COYMR
[quote][p][bold]London Red[/bold] wrote: You can tell its Monday morning - maybe some of you should visit Reed.co.uk![/p][/quote]Long time no posts LR. Have you been on a gap year or something?!!! Regards the article, good to see Troy returning to fitness and hope he can give us a bit of consistency and strength in central defence, we need it. Reis impressed me early on in the season, so pleased to see him coming back too and Smith is good as well. It might not be earth shaking Monday morning news but I should think we've all had enough of minor earthquakes at our club so some good news to start the week is great news to me! COYMR Psychedelic Syd

9:11am Mon 9 Dec 13

LionelHutz says...

Great news. It is evident our options in the transfer market are going to be limited for the rest of this season so three 'new' players coming back in January could be a godsend. With these players coming back, if we can also hold onto our prized assets, have a bit of luck with injuries and if Ranger is found innocent and knuckles down, an assault on the top six will be on the cards IMO.

Lots of 'ifs' there, obviously!

Oh there is the small matter of tomorrow night's game. Win that, and this group of mainly-young players are one win away from making an appearance at the national stadium. COYR
Great news. It is evident our options in the transfer market are going to be limited for the rest of this season so three 'new' players coming back in January could be a godsend. With these players coming back, if we can also hold onto our prized assets, have a bit of luck with injuries and if Ranger is found innocent and knuckles down, an assault on the top six will be on the cards IMO. Lots of 'ifs' there, obviously! Oh there is the small matter of tomorrow night's game. Win that, and this group of mainly-young players are one win away from making an appearance at the national stadium. COYR LionelHutz

9:26am Mon 9 Dec 13

Graham8181 says...

on another note, interesting info on Johnstone Paint trophy winnings;

To try and increase the effort that clubs put in, you also get money on a round by round basis if you win. The layout is as follows: £5,000 (first round), £7,000 (second round), £10,000 (area quarter-final), £17,000 (area semi-final), £25,500 (area final) and £40,000 (winners). These amounts again don’t make chairmen of football clubs rub their hands together, but to many football clubs, it is money they’d rather have then not.

The real money comes if you make the final and a decent crowd turns up out of the two clubs involved. In the 2010 final between Southampton and Carlisle, Cumberland News in Carlisle reported that, “Gate receipts, prize money and merchandising took the club’s windfall from the competition to above £500,000”. This is a large windfall for a Football League club but with their being six matches to get there, it’s again a gamble to try and make it to the final.
on another note, interesting info on Johnstone Paint trophy winnings; To try and increase the effort that clubs put in, you also get money on a round by round basis if you win. The layout is as follows: £5,000 (first round), £7,000 (second round), £10,000 (area quarter-final), £17,000 (area semi-final), £25,500 (area final) and £40,000 (winners). These amounts again don’t make chairmen of football clubs rub their hands together, but to many football clubs, it is money they’d rather have then not. The real money comes if you make the final and a decent crowd turns up out of the two clubs involved. In the 2010 final between Southampton and Carlisle, Cumberland News in Carlisle reported that, “Gate receipts, prize money and merchandising took the club’s windfall from the competition to above £500,000”. This is a large windfall for a Football League club but with their being six matches to get there, it’s again a gamble to try and make it to the final. Graham8181

9:32am Mon 9 Dec 13

London Red says...

Syd - started posting again a few days ago - there some stuff on it on one of the Power articles on Friday if you want to read about it
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Its 2 wins Lionel - the "Southern final" or Semi final as it really is a 2 leg affair - going to be tough that one as it is likely to be Peterborough
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Still 1 signing this Jan will be more than last Jan! As said keeping players will be more of a boost than signing some!
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If we hold on to Wes and Thompson - think then it will show Power means business and was right in the statment we don't need to sell
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I just hope his silly money is similar to my silly money - as if we get that for Wes - I won't complain
Syd - started posting again a few days ago - there some stuff on it on one of the Power articles on Friday if you want to read about it . Its 2 wins Lionel - the "Southern final" or Semi final as it really is a 2 leg affair - going to be tough that one as it is likely to be Peterborough . Still 1 signing this Jan will be more than last Jan! As said keeping players will be more of a boost than signing some! . If we hold on to Wes and Thompson - think then it will show Power means business and was right in the statment we don't need to sell . I just hope his silly money is similar to my silly money - as if we get that for Wes - I won't complain London Red

9:53am Mon 9 Dec 13

Oi Den! says...

London Red wrote:
Syd - started posting again a few days ago - there some stuff on it on one of the Power articles on Friday if you want to read about it
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Its 2 wins Lionel - the "Southern final" or Semi final as it really is a 2 leg affair - going to be tough that one as it is likely to be Peterborough
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Still 1 signing this Jan will be more than last Jan! As said keeping players will be more of a boost than signing some!
.
If we hold on to Wes and Thompson - think then it will show Power means business and was right in the statment we don't need to sell
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I just hope his silly money is similar to my silly money - as if we get that for Wes - I won't complain
LR, as far as Fodders is concerned it may well be a case of who's interested in signing him and whether he wants to stay, rather than whether we want/need to sell him. In an interview recently he was hardly fulsome in expressing his desire to stay with the Town. 75/25 chance he'll be off I reckon.

And welcome back by the way.
[quote][p][bold]London Red[/bold] wrote: Syd - started posting again a few days ago - there some stuff on it on one of the Power articles on Friday if you want to read about it . Its 2 wins Lionel - the "Southern final" or Semi final as it really is a 2 leg affair - going to be tough that one as it is likely to be Peterborough . Still 1 signing this Jan will be more than last Jan! As said keeping players will be more of a boost than signing some! . If we hold on to Wes and Thompson - think then it will show Power means business and was right in the statment we don't need to sell . I just hope his silly money is similar to my silly money - as if we get that for Wes - I won't complain[/p][/quote]LR, as far as Fodders is concerned it may well be a case of who's interested in signing him and whether he wants to stay, rather than whether we want/need to sell him. In an interview recently he was hardly fulsome in expressing his desire to stay with the Town. 75/25 chance he'll be off I reckon. And welcome back by the way. Oi Den!

10:22am Mon 9 Dec 13

Wilesy says...

London Red wrote:
Syd - started posting again a few days ago - there some stuff on it on one of the Power articles on Friday if you want to read about it
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Its 2 wins Lionel - the "Southern final" or Semi final as it really is a 2 leg affair - going to be tough that one as it is likely to be Peterborough
.
Still 1 signing this Jan will be more than last Jan! As said keeping players will be more of a boost than signing some!
.
If we hold on to Wes and Thompson - think then it will show Power means business and was right in the statment we don't need to sell
.
I just hope his silly money is similar to my silly money - as if we get that for Wes - I won't complain
LR what's your view on our defence? Despite MC viewing him as a new signing his injury record is awful - I can't see TAH adding much to his 5 games in 18 months although I hope I'm wrong.

Any value in paying off Navarro at this stage a la Risser looks like that's that for him?

Agree on the silly money comment on the Wes sale - would be a big statement of intent. Not sure we would be troubling the play-offs if we'd had a lesser keeper this season, besides being imo our best player he also has to be worth 20 points a season.
[quote][p][bold]London Red[/bold] wrote: Syd - started posting again a few days ago - there some stuff on it on one of the Power articles on Friday if you want to read about it . Its 2 wins Lionel - the "Southern final" or Semi final as it really is a 2 leg affair - going to be tough that one as it is likely to be Peterborough . Still 1 signing this Jan will be more than last Jan! As said keeping players will be more of a boost than signing some! . If we hold on to Wes and Thompson - think then it will show Power means business and was right in the statment we don't need to sell . I just hope his silly money is similar to my silly money - as if we get that for Wes - I won't complain[/p][/quote]LR what's your view on our defence? Despite MC viewing him as a new signing his injury record is awful - I can't see TAH adding much to his 5 games in 18 months although I hope I'm wrong. Any value in paying off Navarro at this stage a la Risser looks like that's that for him? Agree on the silly money comment on the Wes sale - would be a big statement of intent. Not sure we would be troubling the play-offs if we'd had a lesser keeper this season, besides being imo our best player he also has to be worth 20 points a season. Wilesy

10:31am Mon 9 Dec 13

the don69 says...

Oi Den! wrote:
London Red wrote:
Syd - started posting again a few days ago - there some stuff on it on one of the Power articles on Friday if you want to read about it
.
Its 2 wins Lionel - the "Southern final" or Semi final as it really is a 2 leg affair - going to be tough that one as it is likely to be Peterborough
.
Still 1 signing this Jan will be more than last Jan! As said keeping players will be more of a boost than signing some!
.
If we hold on to Wes and Thompson - think then it will show Power means business and was right in the statment we don't need to sell
.
I just hope his silly money is similar to my silly money - as if we get that for Wes - I won't complain
LR, as far as Fodders is concerned it may well be a case of who's interested in signing him and whether he wants to stay, rather than whether we want/need to sell him. In an interview recently he was hardly fulsome in expressing his desire to stay with the Town. 75/25 chance he'll be off I reckon.

And welcome back by the way.
It's the same with all players Den!more money and there off,can you blame them?they don't care who they play for,they'd play in the Desert or Antarctica for huge Dosh,but it's up to the Chairman to get the right price for their players!but when clubs are desperate needs must!as Power said it's a jungle out there lets see if he can hack it in that jungle!!!!!!!!!
[quote][p][bold]Oi Den![/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]London Red[/bold] wrote: Syd - started posting again a few days ago - there some stuff on it on one of the Power articles on Friday if you want to read about it . Its 2 wins Lionel - the "Southern final" or Semi final as it really is a 2 leg affair - going to be tough that one as it is likely to be Peterborough . Still 1 signing this Jan will be more than last Jan! As said keeping players will be more of a boost than signing some! . If we hold on to Wes and Thompson - think then it will show Power means business and was right in the statment we don't need to sell . I just hope his silly money is similar to my silly money - as if we get that for Wes - I won't complain[/p][/quote]LR, as far as Fodders is concerned it may well be a case of who's interested in signing him and whether he wants to stay, rather than whether we want/need to sell him. In an interview recently he was hardly fulsome in expressing his desire to stay with the Town. 75/25 chance he'll be off I reckon. And welcome back by the way.[/p][/quote]It's the same with all players Den!more money and there off,can you blame them?they don't care who they play for,they'd play in the Desert or Antarctica for huge Dosh,but it's up to the Chairman to get the right price for their players!but when clubs are desperate needs must!as Power said it's a jungle out there lets see if he can hack it in that jungle!!!!!!!!! the don69

11:05am Mon 9 Dec 13

Oi Den! says...

Yep - agree with all that Don.
Yep - agree with all that Don. Oi Den!

11:56am Mon 9 Dec 13

We are PANTS says...

Oi Den! wrote:
London Red wrote: Syd - started posting again a few days ago - there some stuff on it on one of the Power articles on Friday if you want to read about it . Its 2 wins Lionel - the "Southern final" or Semi final as it really is a 2 leg affair - going to be tough that one as it is likely to be Peterborough . Still 1 signing this Jan will be more than last Jan! As said keeping players will be more of a boost than signing some! . If we hold on to Wes and Thompson - think then it will show Power means business and was right in the statment we don't need to sell . I just hope his silly money is similar to my silly money - as if we get that for Wes - I won't complain
LR, as far as Fodders is concerned it may well be a case of who's interested in signing him and whether he wants to stay, rather than whether we want/need to sell him. In an interview recently he was hardly fulsome in expressing his desire to stay with the Town. 75/25 chance he'll be off I reckon. And welcome back by the way.
Hope i'm wrong but I've got a nasty feeling that Wigan will be in for Fodders come January!! ;-(
[quote][p][bold]Oi Den![/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]London Red[/bold] wrote: Syd - started posting again a few days ago - there some stuff on it on one of the Power articles on Friday if you want to read about it . Its 2 wins Lionel - the "Southern final" or Semi final as it really is a 2 leg affair - going to be tough that one as it is likely to be Peterborough . Still 1 signing this Jan will be more than last Jan! As said keeping players will be more of a boost than signing some! . If we hold on to Wes and Thompson - think then it will show Power means business and was right in the statment we don't need to sell . I just hope his silly money is similar to my silly money - as if we get that for Wes - I won't complain[/p][/quote]LR, as far as Fodders is concerned it may well be a case of who's interested in signing him and whether he wants to stay, rather than whether we want/need to sell him. In an interview recently he was hardly fulsome in expressing his desire to stay with the Town. 75/25 chance he'll be off I reckon. And welcome back by the way.[/p][/quote]Hope i'm wrong but I've got a nasty feeling that Wigan will be in for Fodders come January!! ;-( We are PANTS

12:14pm Mon 9 Dec 13

London Red says...

Den - Shows how different we all read articles - I saw that one more as if I'm told to go - I'll have no option but to - ala Ritchie rather than I want out
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Let's not forget it was only a few months ago Wes signed a new deal which could be 3 years long (our option so worst case do a "Flint")
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He clearly expressed how happy he was here at that point - that was before we knew how we would be doing and currently we are up there challenging for promotion via the POs - so why would that mean he wants out?
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Obviously if a top of the Championship team came in with big money - he might change his mind - but who is to say that will be the case - Bournemouth and Bristol don't fit that bill
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I would like Power to sit down with him if an offer did come in and say look if it is above X you can go now - if not we will let you go in the Summer for Y if we don't go up - hopefully that would keep all happy - as long as X and Y are 7 figures!!!!!!
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Wilesy - Troy was pretty impressive for us when he first arrived and seemed to be doing OK for Carlisle - so if he is over his injury then I'm sure he will be an asset - He's big and quick and fairly decent with a ball at his feet - so should be a great ball playing CB - what we want now
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He could possibly the "Culverhouse" of our 3 at the back and start the ball rolling with power runs from the back!
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Persdonally I would love to see a fit Troy and Adam El Abd at the heart of our defence - think that would see us tighten up no end!!! Then have Ward as Player Coach, Hall and Oakley as back up in case of form, injury or changes in formation - as any would be better than Jay at CB
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If he is over it though is the big question - he was not a sicknote before here - so it might be a case of pure bad luck for 18 months but can then come back and show us what he is really about in the last 6
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Pay-offs will all depend on the deal to be struck - anything less than 100% surely is a good move for STFC - as that is money in the bank
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The Risser one was idiotic at best - so no repeat of that please!
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Why pay him off 100% to then let him sign on at Aldershot and earn 1XX% - when we could have loaned him out for 10% so only costing us 90% and him getting the same as if he was not paid off! Only winner was Risser!
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Also cashflow may have something to do with it - I know Power said finances are covered - but that m,ight not mean all up front - so we might not be able to pay off Navarro, William, Rooney, Benson and Cox - even if it would save us (well Power) a small fortune.
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If he could afford it - a pay-off could also allow us to sign players as surely the saving could be used for loans or perm signings as would not break the 60% limit or cost him anymore money than status quo
Den - Shows how different we all read articles - I saw that one more as if I'm told to go - I'll have no option but to - ala Ritchie rather than I want out . Let's not forget it was only a few months ago Wes signed a new deal which could be 3 years long (our option so worst case do a "Flint") . He clearly expressed how happy he was here at that point - that was before we knew how we would be doing and currently we are up there challenging for promotion via the POs - so why would that mean he wants out? . Obviously if a top of the Championship team came in with big money - he might change his mind - but who is to say that will be the case - Bournemouth and Bristol don't fit that bill . I would like Power to sit down with him if an offer did come in and say look if it is above X you can go now - if not we will let you go in the Summer for Y if we don't go up - hopefully that would keep all happy - as long as X and Y are 7 figures!!!!!! . Wilesy - Troy was pretty impressive for us when he first arrived and seemed to be doing OK for Carlisle - so if he is over his injury then I'm sure he will be an asset - He's big and quick and fairly decent with a ball at his feet - so should be a great ball playing CB - what we want now . He could possibly the "Culverhouse" of our 3 at the back and start the ball rolling with power runs from the back! . Persdonally I would love to see a fit Troy and Adam El Abd at the heart of our defence - think that would see us tighten up no end!!! Then have Ward as Player Coach, Hall and Oakley as back up in case of form, injury or changes in formation - as any would be better than Jay at CB . If he is over it though is the big question - he was not a sicknote before here - so it might be a case of pure bad luck for 18 months but can then come back and show us what he is really about in the last 6 . Pay-offs will all depend on the deal to be struck - anything less than 100% surely is a good move for STFC - as that is money in the bank . The Risser one was idiotic at best - so no repeat of that please! . Why pay him off 100% to then let him sign on at Aldershot and earn 1XX% - when we could have loaned him out for 10% so only costing us 90% and him getting the same as if he was not paid off! Only winner was Risser! . Also cashflow may have something to do with it - I know Power said finances are covered - but that m,ight not mean all up front - so we might not be able to pay off Navarro, William, Rooney, Benson and Cox - even if it would save us (well Power) a small fortune. . If he could afford it - a pay-off could also allow us to sign players as surely the saving could be used for loans or perm signings as would not break the 60% limit or cost him anymore money than status quo London Red

12:28pm Mon 9 Dec 13

London Red says...

Not so sure on that Pants - Wigan have 5 keepers already and Al-Habsi is a pretty decent one - so why would they be in a rush to splash out on another?
Not so sure on that Pants - Wigan have 5 keepers already and Al-Habsi is a pretty decent one - so why would they be in a rush to splash out on another? London Red

12:30pm Mon 9 Dec 13

London Red says...

Just seen they also have Scott Carson - so very much doubt with him and Al-Habsi on the books they will be signing on another
Just seen they also have Scott Carson - so very much doubt with him and Al-Habsi on the books they will be signing on another London Red

12:39pm Mon 9 Dec 13

Oi Den! says...

LR, I'm not saying Foderingham wants to leave. I'm just saying he's better than this level and that it sounded to me like he's open to all options. And why not? If he gets a decent offer from a higher level, he'd be mad not to consider it. No matter how hard a club fights to keep a player, in the end a very big factor is what the player wants. It was good news that he signed a new contract, mainly because it gives us a bit more bargaining power when he does go.
LR, I'm not saying Foderingham wants to leave. I'm just saying he's better than this level and that it sounded to me like he's open to all options. And why not? If he gets a decent offer from a higher level, he'd be mad not to consider it. No matter how hard a club fights to keep a player, in the end a very big factor is what the player wants. It was good news that he signed a new contract, mainly because it gives us a bit more bargaining power when he does go. Oi Den!

1:29pm Mon 9 Dec 13

London Red says...

Den - hopefully Saurez's lack of a move will have put some of the power back in the clubs court!
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I don't think it would ever come to this - but Wes rotting in our development squad for 2 years would do his career no good if he did try and be Billy Big Balls in Jan
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Cox was too good for us - but he seemed to have that agreement I suggested and went with everyone's blessing in the summer - I feel Wes is more like him than Charlie Austin - so I'm confident we will see him until the summer if Power is prepared to slap a £2m price tag on him and see no drop in performance
Den - hopefully Saurez's lack of a move will have put some of the power back in the clubs court! . I don't think it would ever come to this - but Wes rotting in our development squad for 2 years would do his career no good if he did try and be Billy Big Balls in Jan . Cox was too good for us - but he seemed to have that agreement I suggested and went with everyone's blessing in the summer - I feel Wes is more like him than Charlie Austin - so I'm confident we will see him until the summer if Power is prepared to slap a £2m price tag on him and see no drop in performance London Red

1:55pm Mon 9 Dec 13

LionelHutz says...

Oi Den! wrote:
London Red wrote:
Syd - started posting again a few days ago - there some stuff on it on one of the Power articles on Friday if you want to read about it
.
Its 2 wins Lionel - the "Southern final" or Semi final as it really is a 2 leg affair - going to be tough that one as it is likely to be Peterborough
.
Still 1 signing this Jan will be more than last Jan! As said keeping players will be more of a boost than signing some!
.
If we hold on to Wes and Thompson - think then it will show Power means business and was right in the statment we don't need to sell
.
I just hope his silly money is similar to my silly money - as if we get that for Wes - I won't complain
LR, as far as Fodders is concerned it may well be a case of who's interested in signing him and whether he wants to stay, rather than whether we want/need to sell him. In an interview recently he was hardly fulsome in expressing his desire to stay with the Town. 75/25 chance he'll be off I reckon.

And welcome back by the way.
I'm fully aware of the format of the Johnstone's Paint Trophy. But in a two-legged final, we only have to win one of the games! In fact, we don't have to win either of the games - they could both be draws and we could win on penalties. But now I'm nit-picking (as were you).
[quote][p][bold]Oi Den![/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]London Red[/bold] wrote: Syd - started posting again a few days ago - there some stuff on it on one of the Power articles on Friday if you want to read about it . Its 2 wins Lionel - the "Southern final" or Semi final as it really is a 2 leg affair - going to be tough that one as it is likely to be Peterborough . Still 1 signing this Jan will be more than last Jan! As said keeping players will be more of a boost than signing some! . If we hold on to Wes and Thompson - think then it will show Power means business and was right in the statment we don't need to sell . I just hope his silly money is similar to my silly money - as if we get that for Wes - I won't complain[/p][/quote]LR, as far as Fodders is concerned it may well be a case of who's interested in signing him and whether he wants to stay, rather than whether we want/need to sell him. In an interview recently he was hardly fulsome in expressing his desire to stay with the Town. 75/25 chance he'll be off I reckon. And welcome back by the way.[/p][/quote]I'm fully aware of the format of the Johnstone's Paint Trophy. But in a two-legged final, we only have to win one of the games! In fact, we don't have to win either of the games - they could both be draws and we could win on penalties. But now I'm nit-picking (as were you). LionelHutz

2:03pm Mon 9 Dec 13

Oi Den! says...

LR, why does it have to be a "Billy Big Balls" thing?

If a player wants to take up a good offer from elsewhere and his club doesn't want to sell, neither party is in the wrong. What's so "Billy Big Balls" about it?

I come back to the point I've made to manc and Oxon about having strong financial backing. It's not about splashing money around; it makes it much easier to beat away the predators. The "silly money" threshold is higher when you have money in the coffers or somebody who is prepared to underwrite losses. But players find their own level sooner rather than later and I can't see Foderingham wanting to stick around at this level for much longer. If he gets that good offer (and only he can determine what is a good offer), he'll be gone.
LR, why does it have to be a "Billy Big Balls" thing? If a player wants to take up a good offer from elsewhere and his club doesn't want to sell, neither party is in the wrong. What's so "Billy Big Balls" about it? I come back to the point I've made to manc and Oxon about having strong financial backing. It's not about splashing money around; it makes it much easier to beat away the predators. The "silly money" threshold is higher when you have money in the coffers or somebody who is prepared to underwrite losses. But players find their own level sooner rather than later and I can't see Foderingham wanting to stick around at this level for much longer. If he gets that good offer (and only he can determine what is a good offer), he'll be gone. Oi Den!

2:31pm Mon 9 Dec 13

swwindon61uk says...

As for T A-H i afraid seeing is believing and i agree with the poster above in that i can not see him adding much more to his five games for the Town,hope i am very wrong.
Listened to Power's interview and all sounds good, i am sure it also sounded good to all his other companies also!
Lets just hope this "the one" for Power.
Also in Power's interview he said we do not have to sell and Foderingham would only leave if silly money came in or he wanted to leave, but IMHO anybody that thinks he demands a £2m transfer fee is pie in the sky.
Also i think Power said come next summer will be self sufficient,or something like that,once the big contracts have finally gone and that is not a bad thing.
As for T A-H i afraid seeing is believing and i agree with the poster above in that i can not see him adding much more to his five games for the Town,hope i am very wrong. Listened to Power's interview and all sounds good, i am sure it also sounded good to all his other companies also! Lets just hope this "the one" for Power. Also in Power's interview he said we do not have to sell and Foderingham would only leave if silly money came in or he wanted to leave, but IMHO anybody that thinks he demands a £2m transfer fee is pie in the sky. Also i think Power said come next summer will be self sufficient,or something like that,once the big contracts have finally gone and that is not a bad thing. swwindon61uk

2:34pm Mon 9 Dec 13

swwindon61uk says...

swwindon61uk wrote:
As for T A-H i afraid seeing is believing and i agree with the poster above in that i can not see him adding much more to his five games for the Town,hope i am very wrong.
Listened to Power's interview and all sounds good, i am sure it also sounded good to all his other companies also!
Lets just hope this "the one" for Power.
Also in Power's interview he said we do not have to sell and Foderingham would only leave if silly money came in or he wanted to leave, but IMHO anybody that thinks he demands a £2m transfer fee is pie in the sky.
Also i think Power said come next summer will be self sufficient,or something like that,once the big contracts have finally gone and that is not a bad thing.
Power's words were:
"“At the end of the season the football club will be self-sufficient and sustainable.”.
Excelllent.
[quote][p][bold]swwindon61uk[/bold] wrote: As for T A-H i afraid seeing is believing and i agree with the poster above in that i can not see him adding much more to his five games for the Town,hope i am very wrong. Listened to Power's interview and all sounds good, i am sure it also sounded good to all his other companies also! Lets just hope this "the one" for Power. Also in Power's interview he said we do not have to sell and Foderingham would only leave if silly money came in or he wanted to leave, but IMHO anybody that thinks he demands a £2m transfer fee is pie in the sky. Also i think Power said come next summer will be self sufficient,or something like that,once the big contracts have finally gone and that is not a bad thing.[/p][/quote]Power's words were: "“At the end of the season the football club will be self-sufficient and sustainable.”. Excelllent. swwindon61uk

2:47pm Mon 9 Dec 13

London Red says...

Den - it will be Bill Big Balls if a player goes off on one and forces through a move during Jan just because he feels like it - no matter what the deal is
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Players should have to accept the deal needs to be right for both the club and the player
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No one is saying we should hold Fodders to the full 3 years - even though technically we could - but having a decent dialog with him and say look you are vital to us so we will not let you go in Jan unless we get X (over inflated price to compensate being Jan). However, we understand you are better than L1 and if we don't go up we will accept Y in the summer (usually lower and more inline with their value)
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Then a decent character (Cox or Parkin) accept that and carry on - others (Austin or Caddis) don't whine to the media, hand in transfer requests and force their way out via Billy Big Balls tatics
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I'm totally against those manouvers and that is why I lost respect for Austin - had he stayed and help try and keep us up and then went in the summer either way - he would have been a lot more popular with the town faithful than he is now
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Should we were play Forest next year I can't imagine Cox getting booed!
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The only one in between for me is Flint - was not happy about his transfer request or move - but at least he did it in the summer and allowed us to get a decent fee for him - he's unpopular with me purely as he went to ****! Had he gone to an actual decent club it would have been totally differrent
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Flint going to the bigger and better club makes me want them to be relegated even more than normal!!!
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Isn't that the point of "silly money" 61 - you demand way more than they are worth - and if someone pays it you laugh to the bank if not you keep your best player!
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If Butland and Moore have gone from £2m+ I don't see why we should accept less - especially using Moore as a basis! He had one decent season in l1 and that was it - Fodders had an even better one and was the Keeper of the Year!
Den - it will be Bill Big Balls if a player goes off on one and forces through a move during Jan just because he feels like it - no matter what the deal is . Players should have to accept the deal needs to be right for both the club and the player . No one is saying we should hold Fodders to the full 3 years - even though technically we could - but having a decent dialog with him and say look you are vital to us so we will not let you go in Jan unless we get X (over inflated price to compensate being Jan). However, we understand you are better than L1 and if we don't go up we will accept Y in the summer (usually lower and more inline with their value) . Then a decent character (Cox or Parkin) accept that and carry on - others (Austin or Caddis) don't whine to the media, hand in transfer requests and force their way out via Billy Big Balls tatics . I'm totally against those manouvers and that is why I lost respect for Austin - had he stayed and help try and keep us up and then went in the summer either way - he would have been a lot more popular with the town faithful than he is now . Should we were play Forest next year I can't imagine Cox getting booed! . The only one in between for me is Flint - was not happy about his transfer request or move - but at least he did it in the summer and allowed us to get a decent fee for him - he's unpopular with me purely as he went to ****! Had he gone to an actual decent club it would have been totally differrent . Flint going to the bigger and better club makes me want them to be relegated even more than normal!!! . Isn't that the point of "silly money" 61 - you demand way more than they are worth - and if someone pays it you laugh to the bank if not you keep your best player! . If Butland and Moore have gone from £2m+ I don't see why we should accept less - especially using Moore as a basis! He had one decent season in l1 and that was it - Fodders had an even better one and was the Keeper of the Year! London Red

2:59pm Mon 9 Dec 13

We are PANTS says...

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3:03pm Mon 9 Dec 13

We are PANTS says...

London Red wrote:
Just seen they also have Scott Carson - so very much doubt with him and Al-Habsi on the books they will be signing on another
just a little rumour i heard from a wigan source. Also, Rossler is a big fan...
[quote][p][bold]London Red[/bold] wrote: Just seen they also have Scott Carson - so very much doubt with him and Al-Habsi on the books they will be signing on another[/p][/quote]just a little rumour i heard from a wigan source. Also, Rossler is a big fan... We are PANTS

3:09pm Mon 9 Dec 13

Benzel says...

Rednwhitewalrus699 wrote:
not very optimistic about N'Guessan is he? “I’m sure that if Danny keeps scoring goals he won’t want to be in a rush to sign a contract.” Purely inspirational stuff there. And also what does he mean by "we don’t know what league we’re going to be in so things could change", I could tell you that one mate...

On the plus side, when Troy gets back we won't have to play Hall all the time, it'll be easier to grind out points away. Free agent Geohaghon available at cb too, Cooper has signed him before, he'd be free and he's a man mountain with a long throw so worth a look.
I see it more as if Dany keeps scoring he knows he'll get offered a new one whereas if he loses form he might be more anxious to secure his future.
[quote][p][bold]Rednwhitewalrus699[/bold] wrote: not very optimistic about N'Guessan is he? “I’m sure that if Danny keeps scoring goals he won’t want to be in a rush to sign a contract.” Purely inspirational stuff there. And also what does he mean by "we don’t know what league we’re going to be in so things could change", I could tell you that one mate... On the plus side, when Troy gets back we won't have to play Hall all the time, it'll be easier to grind out points away. Free agent Geohaghon available at cb too, Cooper has signed him before, he'd be free and he's a man mountain with a long throw so worth a look.[/p][/quote]I see it more as if Dany keeps scoring he knows he'll get offered a new one whereas if he loses form he might be more anxious to secure his future. Benzel

4:30pm Mon 9 Dec 13

Oi Den! says...

LR, I don't want to argue the toss with you about the rights and wrongs of it. I'm just saying it how I think it is. All players are mercenaries. In the real world deals are rarely perfect for both parties. The only clubs who can try the "silly money or s0d off" gambit are those who can afford to turn down good offers and maybe offer the player improved terms to stay. Sadly, it all comes down to market forces and the wishes of the player. I don't think there's any point in getting all indignant about players moving on.

Incidentally, I'm glad that we can now talk about Bristol City as our main local rivals and nobody is more pleased than me when we beat them. But to suggest that they are not "an actual decent club" is just daft. I doubt that there are many people in football who would share your view. Only yesterday I was reading Neil Warnock's view of what a good club they are, how their support base could easily sustain a Premier League club etc. Flint is a professional footballer. He's not tainted by our bias, so he probably sees Bristol City in the same light that any neutral would.
LR, I don't want to argue the toss with you about the rights and wrongs of it. I'm just saying it how I think it is. All players are mercenaries. In the real world deals are rarely perfect for both parties. The only clubs who can try the "silly money or s0d off" gambit are those who can afford to turn down good offers and maybe offer the player improved terms to stay. Sadly, it all comes down to market forces and the wishes of the player. I don't think there's any point in getting all indignant about players moving on. Incidentally, I'm glad that we can now talk about Bristol City as our main local rivals and nobody is more pleased than me when we beat them. But to suggest that they are not "an actual decent club" is just daft. I doubt that there are many people in football who would share your view. Only yesterday I was reading Neil Warnock's view of what a good club they are, how their support base could easily sustain a Premier League club etc. Flint is a professional footballer. He's not tainted by our bias, so he probably sees Bristol City in the same light that any neutral would. Oi Den!

5:06pm Mon 9 Dec 13

the don69 says...

Oi Den! wrote:
LR, I don't want to argue the toss with you about the rights and wrongs of it. I'm just saying it how I think it is. All players are mercenaries. In the real world deals are rarely perfect for both parties. The only clubs who can try the "silly money or s0d off" gambit are those who can afford to turn down good offers and maybe offer the player improved terms to stay. Sadly, it all comes down to market forces and the wishes of the player. I don't think there's any point in getting all indignant about players moving on.

Incidentally, I'm glad that we can now talk about Bristol City as our main local rivals and nobody is more pleased than me when we beat them. But to suggest that they are not "an actual decent club" is just daft. I doubt that there are many people in football who would share your view. Only yesterday I was reading Neil Warnock's view of what a good club they are, how their support base could easily sustain a Premier League club etc. Flint is a professional footballer. He's not tainted by our bias, so he probably sees Bristol City in the same light that any neutral would.
Spot on Den!agree with all that and don't forget City have a sugar Daddy (Lansdown)who so far has blown £30m and their still in peril of having a derby with their best friends Rovers next season!lol!!!!!!!
[quote][p][bold]Oi Den![/bold] wrote: LR, I don't want to argue the toss with you about the rights and wrongs of it. I'm just saying it how I think it is. All players are mercenaries. In the real world deals are rarely perfect for both parties. The only clubs who can try the "silly money or s0d off" gambit are those who can afford to turn down good offers and maybe offer the player improved terms to stay. Sadly, it all comes down to market forces and the wishes of the player. I don't think there's any point in getting all indignant about players moving on. Incidentally, I'm glad that we can now talk about Bristol City as our main local rivals and nobody is more pleased than me when we beat them. But to suggest that they are not "an actual decent club" is just daft. I doubt that there are many people in football who would share your view. Only yesterday I was reading Neil Warnock's view of what a good club they are, how their support base could easily sustain a Premier League club etc. Flint is a professional footballer. He's not tainted by our bias, so he probably sees Bristol City in the same light that any neutral would.[/p][/quote]Spot on Den!agree with all that and don't forget City have a sugar Daddy (Lansdown)who so far has blown £30m and their still in peril of having a derby with their best friends Rovers next season!lol!!!!!!! the don69

5:50pm Mon 9 Dec 13

Oxon-Red says...

Slight diversion but I got a bit bored this arvo so decided to try to create a Christmas Themed football team. Here is my poor attempt, which includes the three kings :-)

Goalie:

Simon Sheppard

Defence:

Rangel Angel
Ledley King
Phil King
Fabian Joseph

Midfield:

Andy King
Arjen Robben
Jesus Navas González
Gergely Rudolf

Forwards:

Rocky SANTA Cruz
Andy Carol

They play at St Mary's.

Any alternatives to my suggestion ?

COYMR
Slight diversion but I got a bit bored this arvo so decided to try to create a Christmas Themed football team. Here is my poor attempt, which includes the three kings :-) Goalie: Simon Sheppard Defence: Rangel Angel Ledley King Phil King Fabian Joseph Midfield: Andy King Arjen Robben Jesus Navas González Gergely Rudolf Forwards: Rocky SANTA Cruz Andy Carol They play at St Mary's. Any alternatives to my suggestion ? COYMR Oxon-Red

6:31pm Mon 9 Dec 13

dazzastfc says...

Oi Den! wrote:
LR, I don't want to argue the toss with you about the rights and wrongs of it. I'm just saying it how I think it is. All players are mercenaries. In the real world deals are rarely perfect for both parties. The only clubs who can try the "silly money or s0d off" gambit are those who can afford to turn down good offers and maybe offer the player improved terms to stay. Sadly, it all comes down to market forces and the wishes of the player. I don't think there's any point in getting all indignant about players moving on.

Incidentally, I'm glad that we can now talk about Bristol City as our main local rivals and nobody is more pleased than me when we beat them. But to suggest that they are not "an actual decent club" is just daft. I doubt that there are many people in football who would share your view. Only yesterday I was reading Neil Warnock's view of what a good club they are, how their support base could easily sustain a Premier League club etc. Flint is a professional footballer. He's not tainted by our bias, so he probably sees Bristol City in the same light that any neutral would.
If a player is given the chance to earn more money he will go
JUST THE SAME AS EVERY MAN OR WOMAN...

We all go to work (WELL MOST OF USE DO) to earn as much money as possible can to have a better life and support are familys.....
[quote][p][bold]Oi Den![/bold] wrote: LR, I don't want to argue the toss with you about the rights and wrongs of it. I'm just saying it how I think it is. All players are mercenaries. In the real world deals are rarely perfect for both parties. The only clubs who can try the "silly money or s0d off" gambit are those who can afford to turn down good offers and maybe offer the player improved terms to stay. Sadly, it all comes down to market forces and the wishes of the player. I don't think there's any point in getting all indignant about players moving on. Incidentally, I'm glad that we can now talk about Bristol City as our main local rivals and nobody is more pleased than me when we beat them. But to suggest that they are not "an actual decent club" is just daft. I doubt that there are many people in football who would share your view. Only yesterday I was reading Neil Warnock's view of what a good club they are, how their support base could easily sustain a Premier League club etc. Flint is a professional footballer. He's not tainted by our bias, so he probably sees Bristol City in the same light that any neutral would.[/p][/quote]If a player is given the chance to earn more money he will go JUST THE SAME AS EVERY MAN OR WOMAN... We all go to work (WELL MOST OF USE DO) to earn as much money as possible can to have a better life and support are familys..... dazzastfc

8:25pm Mon 9 Dec 13

Steve. Brentford says...

Oxon-Red wrote:
Slight diversion but I got a bit bored this arvo so decided to try to create a Christmas Themed football team. Here is my poor attempt, which includes the three kings :-) Goalie: Simon Sheppard Defence: Rangel Angel Ledley King Phil King Fabian Joseph Midfield: Andy King Arjen Robben Jesus Navas González Gergely Rudolf Forwards: Rocky SANTA Cruz Andy Carol They play at St Mary's. Any alternatives to my suggestion ? COYMR
Yeah, get out more Oxo, :O)
[quote][p][bold]Oxon-Red[/bold] wrote: Slight diversion but I got a bit bored this arvo so decided to try to create a Christmas Themed football team. Here is my poor attempt, which includes the three kings :-) Goalie: Simon Sheppard Defence: Rangel Angel Ledley King Phil King Fabian Joseph Midfield: Andy King Arjen Robben Jesus Navas González Gergely Rudolf Forwards: Rocky SANTA Cruz Andy Carol They play at St Mary's. Any alternatives to my suggestion ? COYMR[/p][/quote]Yeah, get out more Oxo, :O) Steve. Brentford

8:45pm Mon 9 Dec 13

mancrobin says...

Oxon-Red wrote:
Slight diversion but I got a bit bored this arvo so decided to try to create a Christmas Themed football team. Here is my poor attempt, which includes the three kings :-)

Goalie:

Simon Sheppard

Defence:

Rangel Angel
Ledley King
Phil King
Fabian Joseph

Midfield:

Andy King
Arjen Robben
Jesus Navas González
Gergely Rudolf

Forwards:

Rocky SANTA Cruz
Andy Carol

They play at St Mary's.

Any alternatives to my suggestion ?

COYMR
Nice one Oxon :) Perhaps could do with a few Dennis Wise men and I'm sure we could add a few donkeys to the squad.
[quote][p][bold]Oxon-Red[/bold] wrote: Slight diversion but I got a bit bored this arvo so decided to try to create a Christmas Themed football team. Here is my poor attempt, which includes the three kings :-) Goalie: Simon Sheppard Defence: Rangel Angel Ledley King Phil King Fabian Joseph Midfield: Andy King Arjen Robben Jesus Navas González Gergely Rudolf Forwards: Rocky SANTA Cruz Andy Carol They play at St Mary's. Any alternatives to my suggestion ? COYMR[/p][/quote]Nice one Oxon :) Perhaps could do with a few Dennis Wise men and I'm sure we could add a few donkeys to the squad. mancrobin

8:46pm Mon 9 Dec 13

The Jockster says...

Just been told allegedly Lone Ranger been questioned about spot fixing
Just been told allegedly Lone Ranger been questioned about spot fixing The Jockster

9:06pm Mon 9 Dec 13

joey butler says...

The Jockster wrote:
Just been told allegedly Lone Ranger been questioned about spot fixing
Jock / Malky,

I have been brutally slated on here as one of the very few posters that said Ranger was bad news from the start, not to be signed in any circumstances at all.

If he is also involved in spot fixing bets, as well as alleged rape, his integrity is now destroyed beyond belief and even Power cannot defend him.

Power should not have signed him in the first place, massive mistake, but we all make mistakes in life and at this point, Ranger is and should be history!!
[quote][p][bold]The Jockster[/bold] wrote: Just been told allegedly Lone Ranger been questioned about spot fixing[/p][/quote]Jock / Malky, I have been brutally slated on here as one of the very few posters that said Ranger was bad news from the start, not to be signed in any circumstances at all. If he is also involved in spot fixing bets, as well as alleged rape, his integrity is now destroyed beyond belief and even Power cannot defend him. Power should not have signed him in the first place, massive mistake, but we all make mistakes in life and at this point, Ranger is and should be history!! joey butler

9:27pm Mon 9 Dec 13

The Jockster says...

Joey I must emphasise this is just what I've been told hearsay so we must give him the benefit of the doubt unless proven otherwise - same as with the rape charge - even if his track record isn't good.
Joey I must emphasise this is just what I've been told hearsay so we must give him the benefit of the doubt unless proven otherwise - same as with the rape charge - even if his track record isn't good. The Jockster

9:38pm Mon 9 Dec 13

Oi Den! says...

The Jockster wrote:
Joey I must emphasise this is just what I've been told hearsay so we must give him the benefit of the doubt unless proven otherwise - same as with the rape charge - even if his track record isn't good.
Benefit of the doubt or not, you might find that your post disappears quite rapidly - unless the Adver is able to confirm it independently (that he's being questioned I mean).
[quote][p][bold]The Jockster[/bold] wrote: Joey I must emphasise this is just what I've been told hearsay so we must give him the benefit of the doubt unless proven otherwise - same as with the rape charge - even if his track record isn't good.[/p][/quote]Benefit of the doubt or not, you might find that your post disappears quite rapidly - unless the Adver is able to confirm it independently (that he's being questioned I mean). Oi Den!

10:07pm Mon 9 Dec 13

The Jockster says...

mancrobin wrote:
Oxon-Red wrote:
Slight diversion but I got a bit bored this arvo so decided to try to create a Christmas Themed football team. Here is my poor attempt, which includes the three kings :-)

Goalie:

Simon Sheppard

Defence:

Rangel Angel
Ledley King
Phil King
Fabian Joseph

Midfield:

Andy King
Arjen Robben
Jesus Navas González
Gergely Rudolf

Forwards:

Rocky SANTA Cruz
Andy Carol

They play at St Mary's.

Any alternatives to my suggestion ?

COYMR
Nice one Oxon :) Perhaps could do with a few Dennis Wise men and I'm sure we could add a few donkeys to the squad.
Yep Wilma & Joan for starters!!
[quote][p][bold]mancrobin[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Oxon-Red[/bold] wrote: Slight diversion but I got a bit bored this arvo so decided to try to create a Christmas Themed football team. Here is my poor attempt, which includes the three kings :-) Goalie: Simon Sheppard Defence: Rangel Angel Ledley King Phil King Fabian Joseph Midfield: Andy King Arjen Robben Jesus Navas González Gergely Rudolf Forwards: Rocky SANTA Cruz Andy Carol They play at St Mary's. Any alternatives to my suggestion ? COYMR[/p][/quote]Nice one Oxon :) Perhaps could do with a few Dennis Wise men and I'm sure we could add a few donkeys to the squad.[/p][/quote]Yep Wilma & Joan for starters!! The Jockster

10:53pm Mon 9 Dec 13

Chish and Fips says...

The Jockster wrote:
mancrobin wrote:
Oxon-Red wrote:
Slight diversion but I got a bit bored this arvo so decided to try to create a Christmas Themed football team. Here is my poor attempt, which includes the three kings :-)

Goalie:

Simon Sheppard

Defence:

Rangel Angel
Ledley King
Phil King
Fabian Joseph

Midfield:

Andy King
Arjen Robben
Jesus Navas González
Gergely Rudolf

Forwards:

Rocky SANTA Cruz
Andy Carol

They play at St Mary's.

Any alternatives to my suggestion ?

COYMR
Nice one Oxon :) Perhaps could do with a few Dennis Wise men and I'm sure we could add a few donkeys to the squad.
Yep Wilma & Joan for starters!!
?.........and the Three Wise Men .... Oxen Red , Jockster and Oi Den
:o)
[quote][p][bold]The Jockster[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mancrobin[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Oxon-Red[/bold] wrote: Slight diversion but I got a bit bored this arvo so decided to try to create a Christmas Themed football team. Here is my poor attempt, which includes the three kings :-) Goalie: Simon Sheppard Defence: Rangel Angel Ledley King Phil King Fabian Joseph Midfield: Andy King Arjen Robben Jesus Navas González Gergely Rudolf Forwards: Rocky SANTA Cruz Andy Carol They play at St Mary's. Any alternatives to my suggestion ? COYMR[/p][/quote]Nice one Oxon :) Perhaps could do with a few Dennis Wise men and I'm sure we could add a few donkeys to the squad.[/p][/quote]Yep Wilma & Joan for starters!![/p][/quote]?.........and the Three Wise Men .... Oxen Red , Jockster and Oi Den :o) Chish and Fips

12:21pm Tue 10 Dec 13

Swindon1984 says...

London Red wrote:
Den - it will be Bill Big Balls if a player goes off on one and forces through a move during Jan just because he feels like it - no matter what the deal is . Players should have to accept the deal needs to be right for both the club and the player . No one is saying we should hold Fodders to the full 3 years - even though technically we could - but having a decent dialog with him and say look you are vital to us so we will not let you go in Jan unless we get X (over inflated price to compensate being Jan). However, we understand you are better than L1 and if we don't go up we will accept Y in the summer (usually lower and more inline with their value) . Then a decent character (Cox or Parkin) accept that and carry on - others (Austin or Caddis) don't whine to the media, hand in transfer requests and force their way out via Billy Big Balls tatics . I'm totally against those manouvers and that is why I lost respect for Austin - had he stayed and help try and keep us up and then went in the summer either way - he would have been a lot more popular with the town faithful than he is now . Should we were play Forest next year I can't imagine Cox getting booed! . The only one in between for me is Flint - was not happy about his transfer request or move - but at least he did it in the summer and allowed us to get a decent fee for him - he's unpopular with me purely as he went to ****! Had he gone to an actual decent club it would have been totally differrent . Flint going to the bigger and better club makes me want them to be relegated even more than normal!!! . Isn't that the point of "silly money" 61 - you demand way more than they are worth - and if someone pays it you laugh to the bank if not you keep your best player! . If Butland and Moore have gone from £2m+ I don't see why we should accept less - especially using Moore as a basis! He had one decent season in l1 and that was it - Fodders had an even better one and was the Keeper of the Year!
Welcome back LR.

Have to agree with the above - a club puts in a bid for one of our players, the bid is accepted or rejected, the player than has to agree terms. That's how a transfer should be done.

If one of ours hears talk of a transfer to a "bigger" club, then basically throws a strop until it's clear he no longers wants to play for us and we have no choice (as cash in or cut your nose off to spite your face is no choice at all) - then that's an example of a player taking the ****

Only one that sticks out in my head as unusual was when Ritchie went as he probably didn't want to go and certainly wasn't consulted, but those were desperate times.
[quote][p][bold]London Red[/bold] wrote: Den - it will be Bill Big Balls if a player goes off on one and forces through a move during Jan just because he feels like it - no matter what the deal is . Players should have to accept the deal needs to be right for both the club and the player . No one is saying we should hold Fodders to the full 3 years - even though technically we could - but having a decent dialog with him and say look you are vital to us so we will not let you go in Jan unless we get X (over inflated price to compensate being Jan). However, we understand you are better than L1 and if we don't go up we will accept Y in the summer (usually lower and more inline with their value) . Then a decent character (Cox or Parkin) accept that and carry on - others (Austin or Caddis) don't whine to the media, hand in transfer requests and force their way out via Billy Big Balls tatics . I'm totally against those manouvers and that is why I lost respect for Austin - had he stayed and help try and keep us up and then went in the summer either way - he would have been a lot more popular with the town faithful than he is now . Should we were play Forest next year I can't imagine Cox getting booed! . The only one in between for me is Flint - was not happy about his transfer request or move - but at least he did it in the summer and allowed us to get a decent fee for him - he's unpopular with me purely as he went to ****! Had he gone to an actual decent club it would have been totally differrent . Flint going to the bigger and better club makes me want them to be relegated even more than normal!!! . Isn't that the point of "silly money" 61 - you demand way more than they are worth - and if someone pays it you laugh to the bank if not you keep your best player! . If Butland and Moore have gone from £2m+ I don't see why we should accept less - especially using Moore as a basis! He had one decent season in l1 and that was it - Fodders had an even better one and was the Keeper of the Year![/p][/quote]Welcome back LR. Have to agree with the above - a club puts in a bid for one of our players, the bid is accepted or rejected, the player than has to agree terms. That's how a transfer should be done. If one of ours hears talk of a transfer to a "bigger" club, then basically throws a strop until it's clear he no longers wants to play for us and we have no choice (as cash in or cut your nose off to spite your face is no choice at all) - then that's an example of a player taking the **** Only one that sticks out in my head as unusual was when Ritchie went as he probably didn't want to go and certainly wasn't consulted, but those were desperate times. Swindon1984

5:24pm Tue 10 Dec 13

Oi Den! says...

I don't think Ritchie would have been too crestfallen about it '84, especially when he saw what happened / didn't happen in the days after he left.

Sorry, but I think all stuff about Billy Big Balls and strops is a bit melodramatic. Occasionally there will be times when a player wants to leave but the club doesn't want to sell him. There are also times when a club wants to sell but the player prefers to stay - and the club nearly always prevails. Contracts in football are in reality no more than insurance policies. They don't really bind either party, so why should the club call all the shots? Are you and LR saying that the player shouldn't be at liberty to breach the contract but it's OK for the club to do so?

Anyway, Foderingham has a clause in his contract, allowing him to leave if a higher division club comes in for him - so the situation would be clear cut in his case. Anyone who argues (someone might!) that the clause is bad business on our part would need to consider whether we'd have been able to do the deal in the first place without it. Apparently not, according to Power.
I don't think Ritchie would have been too crestfallen about it '84, especially when he saw what happened / didn't happen in the days after he left. Sorry, but I think all stuff about Billy Big Balls and strops is a bit melodramatic. Occasionally there will be times when a player wants to leave but the club doesn't want to sell him. There are also times when a club wants to sell but the player prefers to stay - and the club nearly always prevails. Contracts in football are in reality no more than insurance policies. They don't really bind either party, so why should the club call all the shots? Are you and LR saying that the player shouldn't be at liberty to breach the contract but it's OK for the club to do so? Anyway, Foderingham has a clause in his contract, allowing him to leave if a higher division club comes in for him - so the situation would be clear cut in his case. Anyone who argues (someone might!) that the clause is bad business on our part would need to consider whether we'd have been able to do the deal in the first place without it. Apparently not, according to Power. Oi Den!

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