SWINDON TOWN: Cooper set to be named permanent manager

The Wiltshire Gazette and Herald: Mark Cooper Mark Cooper

SWINDON Town are expected to unveil Mark Cooper as their new permanent manager today, ending five-and-a-half weeks of speculation over who would fill the role.

The Advertiser understands Cooper has impressed the Robins’ board sufficiently during his brief time as caretaker to land the job full-time, having taken charge of first-team affairs following Kevin MacDonald’s departure on July 12.

The former Peterborough and Kettering boss met with chairman Jed McCrory and director of football operations Lee Power yesterday to discuss his future involvement at the County Ground.

Town are set to release a statement today confirming the appointment.

Meanwhile, Darren Ward has committed his future to Swindon Town after penning a new two-year contract at the County Ground.

The 34-year-old defender was previously tied to the club until next summer but has now agreed to a new deal - and a pay cut in the process - which will keep him with the Robins through to 2015.

Ward was the subject of transfer interest from Brentford over the off-season, and it is understood that the centre-back spoke to the Bees about a potential switch to Griffin Park.

However, with his family settled and the opportunity to move into coaching believed to be part of his new terms with Swindon, Ward opted to turn down the west London side’s advances and instead accept what he deemed a “considerable” decrease in wages.

The former Millwall man was not available to the press for interview last night, but he told the club’s official website: “It’s been common knowledge that other club were interested but under the circumstances and how happy I find myself here, I want to stay and I’m glad to have signed.”

In transfer news, Town are continuing in their efforts to recruit Dany N’Guessan from Millwall, while the Lions are believed to be interested in Swindon’s Paul Caddis.

A potential swap deal was mooted over the weekend but sources in south London have suggested that any move could be a long way off.

Elsewhere, former Swindon midfielder Tommy Miller yesterday signed on for Bury following his release by the Robins earlier this summer.

Finally, it is understood that Town will play Portsmouth in a behind-closed-doors friendly this afternoon.

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8:43am Tue 20 Aug 13

EastleazeRed says...

I may win on the roundabout
Then I'll lose on the swings
In or out, there is never a doubt
Just who's pulling the strings
I'm all tied up in you
But where's it leading me to?

I wonder if one day that, you'll say that, you care
If you say you love me madly, I'll gladly, be there
Like a puppet on a string
I may win on the roundabout Then I'll lose on the swings In or out, there is never a doubt Just who's pulling the strings I'm all tied up in you But where's it leading me to? I wonder if one day that, you'll say that, you care If you say you love me madly, I'll gladly, be there Like a puppet on a string EastleazeRed

8:47am Tue 20 Aug 13

Everyonecounts says...

So is he actually in charge or is Lee Power picking the players and choosing the team? There's a lot of noise about this but what's the truth/evidence for that?
I'm really not sure what the hell is going on at the club anymore.
So is he actually in charge or is Lee Power picking the players and choosing the team? There's a lot of noise about this but what's the truth/evidence for that? I'm really not sure what the hell is going on at the club anymore. Everyonecounts

8:52am Tue 20 Aug 13

Stilloyal says...

Worst kept secret in football. I really despair at this appoinment . I expect I'll get some flak from all the pro Tommy Cooper crowd but come the end of season and certain relegation I won't be saying "I told you so ". It'll be another sad day but I'll be a littl;e consolled when I collect my ££££££££££
£££££'s from Coral's.
If cooper gets 2 years or more then it'll be conference.

Ever heard the saying "Too good to go down " ?
Worst kept secret in football. I really despair at this appoinment . I expect I'll get some flak from all the pro Tommy Cooper crowd but come the end of season and certain relegation I won't be saying "I told you so ". It'll be another sad day but I'll be a littl;e consolled when I collect my ££££££££££ £££££'s from Coral's. If cooper gets 2 years or more then it'll be conference. Ever heard the saying "Too good to go down " ? Stilloyal

8:52am Tue 20 Aug 13

umpcah says...

Everyonecounts wrote:
So is he actually in charge or is Lee Power picking the players and choosing the team? There's a lot of noise about this but what's the truth/evidence for that?
I'm really not sure what the hell is going on at the club anymore.
A club statement will be made about the Cooper appointment so perhaps SOME if not ALL will be revealed ! I like rollercoaster rides but like to get off occasionally !
[quote][p][bold]Everyonecounts[/bold] wrote: So is he actually in charge or is Lee Power picking the players and choosing the team? There's a lot of noise about this but what's the truth/evidence for that? I'm really not sure what the hell is going on at the club anymore.[/p][/quote]A club statement will be made about the Cooper appointment so perhaps SOME if not ALL will be revealed ! I like rollercoaster rides but like to get off occasionally ! umpcah

8:58am Tue 20 Aug 13

Stilloyal says...

Just named Frank Spencer as his number 2
Just named Frank Spencer as his number 2 Stilloyal

9:05am Tue 20 Aug 13

LeGod says...

So obvious this was going to happen another load of bull from the board that all these other potential managers were lined up as they did with the the Brentford players i get the feeling they think we are idiots as fans and believe everything they tell us.

I've got nothing against Cooper whatsoever but this is so not the right appointment but he is the cheap option and to me that is the reason why we have him.

To Hire a professional is expensive but if you hire an amateur it will cost you even more !!!!!!!!!

Bad move Jed and Mr Power but is MC the lap dog for Mr Power who really picks the team????????????
So obvious this was going to happen another load of bull from the board that all these other potential managers were lined up as they did with the the Brentford players i get the feeling they think we are idiots as fans and believe everything they tell us. I've got nothing against Cooper whatsoever but this is so not the right appointment but he is the cheap option and to me that is the reason why we have him. To Hire a professional is expensive but if you hire an amateur it will cost you even more !!!!!!!!! Bad move Jed and Mr Power but is MC the lap dog for Mr Power who really picks the team???????????? LeGod

9:07am Tue 20 Aug 13

umpcah says...

Stilloyal wrote:
Just named Frank Spencer as his number 2
Now then Alan ! Ever heard the saying " Too soon to give up " ?
[quote][p][bold]Stilloyal[/bold] wrote: Just named Frank Spencer as his number 2[/p][/quote]Now then Alan ! Ever heard the saying " Too soon to give up " ? umpcah

9:07am Tue 20 Aug 13

stfctrowbridgepaul says...

This decsion could and should have been made at least a month ago saving on all the constant speculation if its now your squad mr cooper why not integrate the out casts and include benno and caddis in your squad at least or won't the powers at be let you although I don't agree with the appointment I will get behind them the team but what happens come early October late November and the natives turn when we are bottom four but anyway good luck mr cooper
This decsion could and should have been made at least a month ago saving on all the constant speculation if its now your squad mr cooper why not integrate the out casts and include benno and caddis in your squad at least or won't the powers at be let you although I don't agree with the appointment I will get behind them the team but what happens come early October late November and the natives turn when we are bottom four but anyway good luck mr cooper stfctrowbridgepaul

9:10am Tue 20 Aug 13

Stilloyal says...

LeGod wrote:
So obvious this was going to happen another load of bull from the board that all these other potential managers were lined up as they did with the the Brentford players i get the feeling they think we are idiots as fans and believe everything they tell us. I've got nothing against Cooper whatsoever but this is so not the right appointment but he is the cheap option and to me that is the reason why we have him. To Hire a professional is expensive but if you hire an amateur it will cost you even more !!!!!!!!! Bad move Jed and Mr Power but is MC the lap dog for Mr Power who really picks the team????????????
Spot on mate, looks like we'll be watching 90 minutes of chin scratching whilst ne is bemused as to what to do. Give me 90 minutes of Di Canios antics anyday , that alone was worth the entrance fee, oh and we won a lot of games too.
[quote][p][bold]LeGod[/bold] wrote: So obvious this was going to happen another load of bull from the board that all these other potential managers were lined up as they did with the the Brentford players i get the feeling they think we are idiots as fans and believe everything they tell us. I've got nothing against Cooper whatsoever but this is so not the right appointment but he is the cheap option and to me that is the reason why we have him. To Hire a professional is expensive but if you hire an amateur it will cost you even more !!!!!!!!! Bad move Jed and Mr Power but is MC the lap dog for Mr Power who really picks the team????????????[/p][/quote]Spot on mate, looks like we'll be watching 90 minutes of chin scratching whilst ne is bemused as to what to do. Give me 90 minutes of Di Canios antics anyday , that alone was worth the entrance fee, oh and we won a lot of games too. Stilloyal

9:10am Tue 20 Aug 13

Rod Thomas 1969 says...

I have to agree with Stilloyal this is not a good appointment we seem to going from bad to worse do hope I am proved wrong but I do have concerns also who is signing the players and picking the teams Lee Power, Mark Cooper I to am not sure what is going on at club as a long standing Season Ticket holder I am very worried as you say a rollercoaster but I am very worried.
I have to agree with Stilloyal this is not a good appointment we seem to going from bad to worse do hope I am proved wrong but I do have concerns also who is signing the players and picking the teams Lee Power, Mark Cooper I to am not sure what is going on at club as a long standing Season Ticket holder I am very worried as you say a rollercoaster but I am very worried. Rod Thomas 1969

9:11am Tue 20 Aug 13

louiscassius says...

Stilloyal wrote:
Just named Frank Spencer as his number 2
Hmmmm, Coopy.

Lee's done a whoopsie in the corner......
[quote][p][bold]Stilloyal[/bold] wrote: Just named Frank Spencer as his number 2[/p][/quote]Hmmmm, Coopy. Lee's done a whoopsie in the corner...... louiscassius

9:13am Tue 20 Aug 13

Stilloyal says...

umpcah wrote:
Stilloyal wrote: Just named Frank Spencer as his number 2
Now then Alan ! Ever heard the saying " Too soon to give up " ?
Hi buddy , yea I have mate but I've seen enough of his tactics to show that we are relegation fodder , sadly.

Hope you're well mate.
[quote][p][bold]umpcah[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Stilloyal[/bold] wrote: Just named Frank Spencer as his number 2[/p][/quote]Now then Alan ! Ever heard the saying " Too soon to give up " ?[/p][/quote]Hi buddy , yea I have mate but I've seen enough of his tactics to show that we are relegation fodder , sadly. Hope you're well mate. Stilloyal

9:13am Tue 20 Aug 13

Farteaboy says...

Assuming the Adver is right...time to give the bloke a chance don't you think?
Assuming the Adver is right...time to give the bloke a chance don't you think? Farteaboy

9:16am Tue 20 Aug 13

mikes0708 says...

Cooper was like a rabbit caught in the headlights at Shrewsbury - totally devoid of ideas and oivational skills - his staff all acted like thet would be out of a job this week.

We do not have the players for Premier League formations - they get caught in posession and knocked off the ball all too often. Also, few chances are being created - only two shots on target all match and heads dropped far too easily.

Cooper is NOT the man!
Cooper was like a rabbit caught in the headlights at Shrewsbury - totally devoid of ideas and oivational skills - his staff all acted like thet would be out of a job this week. We do not have the players for Premier League formations - they get caught in posession and knocked off the ball all too often. Also, few chances are being created - only two shots on target all match and heads dropped far too easily. Cooper is NOT the man! mikes0708

9:17am Tue 20 Aug 13

umpcah says...

Farteaboy wrote:
Assuming the Adver is right...time to give the bloke a chance don't you think?
I can understand folk having doubts about the wisdom of this appointment but cant help but feel sorry for the poor sod . Hope he doesn`t read these threads !
[quote][p][bold]Farteaboy[/bold] wrote: Assuming the Adver is right...time to give the bloke a chance don't you think?[/p][/quote]I can understand folk having doubts about the wisdom of this appointment but cant help but feel sorry for the poor sod . Hope he doesn`t read these threads ! umpcah

9:18am Tue 20 Aug 13

louiscassius says...

Come on lads,

We all waited yesterday thinking, Breaking News Mr X.(Big name) was going to be the new Boss. But, deep in our hearts we knew Mark was the guy.

You can't drop 50% of the wages in 5 months and expect it all to be good.

I think Yeovil was quite on quite a low range budget, but ask yourselves how long their budget has been that way, quite a few years I should think, run by a guy who's operated under those sorts of conditions for a lot of his managerial career.

So, consolidation and mix bag time this season I think, but essential to keep the Club afloat. It's not going to be pretty, we all know that, but thank god it's finally arrived and the speculation can now stop.

Lets just see if we get a couple more good players in, in the next 11 days.....Could make all the difference in some cases....

Here's to 2014/15 season being a lot more stable and just generally nice.
Come on lads, We all waited yesterday thinking, Breaking News Mr X.(Big name) was going to be the new Boss. But, deep in our hearts we knew Mark was the guy. You can't drop 50% of the wages in 5 months and expect it all to be good. I think Yeovil was quite on quite a low range budget, but ask yourselves how long their budget has been that way, quite a few years I should think, run by a guy who's operated under those sorts of conditions for a lot of his managerial career. So, consolidation and mix bag time this season I think, but essential to keep the Club afloat. It's not going to be pretty, we all know that, but thank god it's finally arrived and the speculation can now stop. Lets just see if we get a couple more good players in, in the next 11 days.....Could make all the difference in some cases.... Here's to 2014/15 season being a lot more stable and just generally nice. louiscassius

9:21am Tue 20 Aug 13

the don69 says...

No surprise!the puppet is appointed!good luck Coops you'll need it.only two men to blame if or when it all goes pear shaped!hope I'm wrong,but it going to be a long hard season of struggle battling to stay up!have the kids got the strength and bottle and manager the knowledge and man management skills to keep us up?sorry to say nope!!!!!!!!!!!!
No surprise!the puppet is appointed!good luck Coops you'll need it.only two men to blame if or when it all goes pear shaped!hope I'm wrong,but it going to be a long hard season of struggle battling to stay up!have the kids got the strength and bottle and manager the knowledge and man management skills to keep us up?sorry to say nope!!!!!!!!!!!! the don69

9:22am Tue 20 Aug 13

Is that you Lovesey says...

You can't blame Cooper for the way we play football, Power and Jed have a total football principle, that is what he (Cooper) has been told to deliver.

I dont think Cooper was first choice for the board, but they probably couldn't afford to get rid of him, any manager who would have come in would want to bring their own people with them.

Cooper isn't my choice we need experience, cost cutting accross the team and having so many loanees also ins't my idea of stability.

But I am a Town fan, I am on board with what they are trying to achieve, if they want Cooper then we have no say, if they want this team then fine.

But they have to make it work and for me at this moment it isn't, we are playing training session keepball football, this is league 1, if we keep it up knocking it around casually at the back we will get lose more than we win, we have good enough players to be a bit more direct as we were in the first half against Torquay.

I will support Cooper as he is our manager and in all honesty I prefer him to KMAC, but when this goes wrong it falls on the board and them alone.

Jed was tweeting about this thread last night and how the negativity effects sponsors, I think that is why the clubs relationship with the adver would appear to be not as good as the previous boards.

Lets get behind all of our players, Ranger included, support the players and Cooper and enjoy what could be a very long season or an absolute joy of a season.... that much is yet to be seen.
You can't blame Cooper for the way we play football, Power and Jed have a total football principle, that is what he (Cooper) has been told to deliver. I dont think Cooper was first choice for the board, but they probably couldn't afford to get rid of him, any manager who would have come in would want to bring their own people with them. Cooper isn't my choice we need experience, cost cutting accross the team and having so many loanees also ins't my idea of stability. But I am a Town fan, I am on board with what they are trying to achieve, if they want Cooper then we have no say, if they want this team then fine. But they have to make it work and for me at this moment it isn't, we are playing training session keepball football, this is league 1, if we keep it up knocking it around casually at the back we will get lose more than we win, we have good enough players to be a bit more direct as we were in the first half against Torquay. I will support Cooper as he is our manager and in all honesty I prefer him to KMAC, but when this goes wrong it falls on the board and them alone. Jed was tweeting about this thread last night and how the negativity effects sponsors, I think that is why the clubs relationship with the adver would appear to be not as good as the previous boards. Lets get behind all of our players, Ranger included, support the players and Cooper and enjoy what could be a very long season or an absolute joy of a season.... that much is yet to be seen. Is that you Lovesey

9:22am Tue 20 Aug 13

Stilloyal says...

louiscassius wrote:
Come on lads, We all waited yesterday thinking, Breaking News Mr X.(Big name) was going to be the new Boss. But, deep in our hearts we knew Mark was the guy. You can't drop 50% of the wages in 5 months and expect it all to be good. I think Yeovil was quite on quite a low range budget, but ask yourselves how long their budget has been that way, quite a few years I should think, run by a guy who's operated under those sorts of conditions for a lot of his managerial career. So, consolidation and mix bag time this season I think, but essential to keep the Club afloat. It's not going to be pretty, we all know that, but thank god it's finally arrived and the speculation can now stop. Lets just see if we get a couple more good players in, in the next 11 days.....Could make all the difference in some cases.... Here's to 2014/15 season being a lot more stable and just generally nice.
Yeovil also have a manager that knows what he's doing mate.
[quote][p][bold]louiscassius[/bold] wrote: Come on lads, We all waited yesterday thinking, Breaking News Mr X.(Big name) was going to be the new Boss. But, deep in our hearts we knew Mark was the guy. You can't drop 50% of the wages in 5 months and expect it all to be good. I think Yeovil was quite on quite a low range budget, but ask yourselves how long their budget has been that way, quite a few years I should think, run by a guy who's operated under those sorts of conditions for a lot of his managerial career. So, consolidation and mix bag time this season I think, but essential to keep the Club afloat. It's not going to be pretty, we all know that, but thank god it's finally arrived and the speculation can now stop. Lets just see if we get a couple more good players in, in the next 11 days.....Could make all the difference in some cases.... Here's to 2014/15 season being a lot more stable and just generally nice.[/p][/quote]Yeovil also have a manager that knows what he's doing mate. Stilloyal

9:24am Tue 20 Aug 13

TerryHubbard says...

So all along the board just wanted Cooper based on what
to give him the job? Results so far under him played 4 won 2 lost 2
Including a win over the mighty Torquay.
Real lack of ambition shown by Mccorry there again
nothing surprises me with this board.
Happy Clappers we have a long season in front.
So all along the board just wanted Cooper based on what to give him the job? Results so far under him played 4 won 2 lost 2 Including a win over the mighty Torquay. Real lack of ambition shown by Mccorry there again nothing surprises me with this board. Happy Clappers we have a long season in front. TerryHubbard

9:29am Tue 20 Aug 13

stfclondon says...

Calm down everybody. It's only football.
Calm down everybody. It's only football. stfclondon

9:30am Tue 20 Aug 13

mike1990 says...

Message to Power&McCory you don't know what your doing.
Message to Power&McCory you don't know what your doing. mike1990

9:34am Tue 20 Aug 13

NEWBURYREDS says...

Good luck cooper But after that shambles I saw at the Shrews on Sat I fear for the coming season. We may hear a lot of a John Gorman saying "we lost 5-0 but we were the better footballing side" Can't wait? Prove me wrong cooper please
Good luck cooper But after that shambles I saw at the Shrews on Sat I fear for the coming season. We may hear a lot of a John Gorman saying "we lost 5-0 but we were the better footballing side" Can't wait? Prove me wrong cooper please NEWBURYREDS

9:39am Tue 20 Aug 13

Wonder Strike says...

I think it's too soon to judge him to be honest. I guess it's not fair on any other applicants waiting to know if they got the job while this drags on.

Reality is whoever is in charge, we have a reduced budget, lots of youth players and little experience. It's a tough job for anyone.

We need a couple of big dirty monsters in the team and a couple of old heads.

Good luck to him if he gets it. He has shown signs of being a good manager.
I think it's too soon to judge him to be honest. I guess it's not fair on any other applicants waiting to know if they got the job while this drags on. Reality is whoever is in charge, we have a reduced budget, lots of youth players and little experience. It's a tough job for anyone. We need a couple of big dirty monsters in the team and a couple of old heads. Good luck to him if he gets it. He has shown signs of being a good manager. Wonder Strike

9:39am Tue 20 Aug 13

stfc4ever!! says...

Haha I do despair. 3 leagues game in and the worlds about to end! Grow up please gentlemen.

Yours sincerely,

Happy clapper
Haha I do despair. 3 leagues game in and the worlds about to end! Grow up please gentlemen. Yours sincerely, Happy clapper stfc4ever!!

9:39am Tue 20 Aug 13

Robinonfire says...

Cheap manager option again...........L2 HERE WE COME
Cheap manager option again...........L2 HERE WE COME Robinonfire

9:41am Tue 20 Aug 13

Bondy54 says...

Lets be honest we all new that Cooper would probably be appointed since the end of last sason but why has t taken so long to confirm this !!
Will Ward be his No. 2 I wonder ?
Lets be honest we all new that Cooper would probably be appointed since the end of last sason but why has t taken so long to confirm this !! Will Ward be his No. 2 I wonder ? Bondy54

9:41am Tue 20 Aug 13

meadowred says...

If the adver are correct lets give him a fair chance to prove himself and as we know the manager can only do so much and the players deliver the result, as a team they are trying to play football which most fans would want to see and for this division in my view we have enough quality to match most the teams. With regards to the Board surely we should also support the club that is trying to keep us trading, play good football and also develop the youth into the first team. I think alot of positives and hopefully a side that will gel as a team and get the results we all want.
If the adver are correct lets give him a fair chance to prove himself and as we know the manager can only do so much and the players deliver the result, as a team they are trying to play football which most fans would want to see and for this division in my view we have enough quality to match most the teams. With regards to the Board surely we should also support the club that is trying to keep us trading, play good football and also develop the youth into the first team. I think alot of positives and hopefully a side that will gel as a team and get the results we all want. meadowred

9:52am Tue 20 Aug 13

Guv says...

May as well of carried on as we are, now it will probably cost us compensation when we have to fire him, as he is not the man for STFC!

Pretty simple, he don't listen to the fans, he don't care who keeps this club alive by supporting the team. Without fans you have no club!

All we asked for was a decent manager and there are many of them, those with proven experience,

We have a team with no real first hand experience so the least we needed was a manager with some experience.

I wasn't expecting Glenn Hoddle (all though he would of been my first choice) but someone.

Why wait 5 weeks when you knew all along you would pay peanuts for this?

All that crap, I have the same money as the previous board, we will be promoted, well Jed, if we get promoted this year as you promised then I will personally eat my hat at half time on the last game of the season!

STFC is important to a lot of people, promotion was a few games away when you and your ideas came to town!

How glad I am you didn't go for promotion really, imagine Watford playing us under cooper, good god!

Bad choice, one that suits you and doesn't suit the fans or the players or the team.

No passion, no ambition for champtionship, all you want is a toy, hurry up and get bored and sell it

FITTON WHERE ARE YOU? Save us from this low life
May as well of carried on as we are, now it will probably cost us compensation when we have to fire him, as he is not the man for STFC! Pretty simple, he don't listen to the fans, he don't care who keeps this club alive by supporting the team. Without fans you have no club! All we asked for was a decent manager and there are many of them, those with proven experience, We have a team with no real first hand experience so the least we needed was a manager with some experience. I wasn't expecting Glenn Hoddle (all though he would of been my first choice) but someone. Why wait 5 weeks when you knew all along you would pay peanuts for this? All that crap, I have the same money as the previous board, we will be promoted, well Jed, if we get promoted this year as you promised then I will personally eat my hat at half time on the last game of the season! STFC is important to a lot of people, promotion was a few games away when you and your ideas came to town! How glad I am you didn't go for promotion really, imagine Watford playing us under cooper, good god! Bad choice, one that suits you and doesn't suit the fans or the players or the team. No passion, no ambition for champtionship, all you want is a toy, hurry up and get bored and sell it FITTON WHERE ARE YOU? Save us from this low life Guv

10:01am Tue 20 Aug 13

Robinonfire says...

COOPER OUT
POWER OUT
JED OUT

Bring back Fitton
COOPER OUT POWER OUT JED OUT Bring back Fitton Robinonfire

10:01am Tue 20 Aug 13

the don69 says...

Guv wrote:
May as well of carried on as we are, now it will probably cost us compensation when we have to fire him, as he is not the man for STFC!

Pretty simple, he don't listen to the fans, he don't care who keeps this club alive by supporting the team. Without fans you have no club!

All we asked for was a decent manager and there are many of them, those with proven experience,

We have a team with no real first hand experience so the least we needed was a manager with some experience.

I wasn't expecting Glenn Hoddle (all though he would of been my first choice) but someone.

Why wait 5 weeks when you knew all along you would pay peanuts for this?

All that crap, I have the same money as the previous board, we will be promoted, well Jed, if we get promoted this year as you promised then I will personally eat my hat at half time on the last game of the season!

STFC is important to a lot of people, promotion was a few games away when you and your ideas came to town!

How glad I am you didn't go for promotion really, imagine Watford playing us under cooper, good god!

Bad choice, one that suits you and doesn't suit the fans or the players or the team.

No passion, no ambition for champtionship, all you want is a toy, hurry up and get bored and sell it

FITTON WHERE ARE YOU? Save us from this low life
Fitton was so convinced he made the right choice of manager in Malpas and he was awful,Fitton was also a wanabee football manager no thanks guv/fredi or whatever name you go by!!!!!!!!!!
[quote][p][bold]Guv[/bold] wrote: May as well of carried on as we are, now it will probably cost us compensation when we have to fire him, as he is not the man for STFC! Pretty simple, he don't listen to the fans, he don't care who keeps this club alive by supporting the team. Without fans you have no club! All we asked for was a decent manager and there are many of them, those with proven experience, We have a team with no real first hand experience so the least we needed was a manager with some experience. I wasn't expecting Glenn Hoddle (all though he would of been my first choice) but someone. Why wait 5 weeks when you knew all along you would pay peanuts for this? All that crap, I have the same money as the previous board, we will be promoted, well Jed, if we get promoted this year as you promised then I will personally eat my hat at half time on the last game of the season! STFC is important to a lot of people, promotion was a few games away when you and your ideas came to town! How glad I am you didn't go for promotion really, imagine Watford playing us under cooper, good god! Bad choice, one that suits you and doesn't suit the fans or the players or the team. No passion, no ambition for champtionship, all you want is a toy, hurry up and get bored and sell it FITTON WHERE ARE YOU? Save us from this low life[/p][/quote]Fitton was so convinced he made the right choice of manager in Malpas and he was awful,Fitton was also a wanabee football manager no thanks guv/fredi or whatever name you go by!!!!!!!!!! the don69

10:02am Tue 20 Aug 13

Oi Den! says...

I'm pleased for Cooper that he's being given his chance. It's a poison chalice though. It won't be long before his head rolls. People are blaming him already for the mistakes of the McCrory/Power axis. He's still only temporary until the next fall-guy takes the hotseat.
I'm pleased for Cooper that he's being given his chance. It's a poison chalice though. It won't be long before his head rolls. People are blaming him already for the mistakes of the McCrory/Power axis. He's still only temporary until the next fall-guy takes the hotseat. Oi Den!

10:06am Tue 20 Aug 13

mowey33 says...

Someone said jed tweeted about this thread and said about the negativity wellI like to be optimistic but was he there on Saturday? It was a shambles and the fans are the ones paying the money. If he wants positive feedback get him to tweet the truth. All fans want is the truth about whats going on and a manager that knows what he is doing.
Mcrory wouldn't be in this situation if he had told everyone from the beginning that cooper was gonna be manager. Yes he is a puppet yes he is the cheap option but instead of mcrory taking the flak for it he passed it over like an amateur manager passing the blame onto someone else.
I was there Saturday im a proud Swindon fan and always will be bur when you pay out your hard earned money on petrol tickets food and drink for games you expect to get something back.
If we had lost 2-0 and battled and been unlucky then fine but Saturday was spineless with no hope of getting anything from the game and cooper basically said the same by cslling it like a charity game.
Mr mcrory you want the fans to back you well tell us the truth and give us back our pride. If we get a new mamager I will come on here and apologise bit if we have cooper then im afraid mr mcrory you are the one who is keeping us in negativity
Someone said jed tweeted about this thread and said about the negativity wellI like to be optimistic but was he there on Saturday? It was a shambles and the fans are the ones paying the money. If he wants positive feedback get him to tweet the truth. All fans want is the truth about whats going on and a manager that knows what he is doing. Mcrory wouldn't be in this situation if he had told everyone from the beginning that cooper was gonna be manager. Yes he is a puppet yes he is the cheap option but instead of mcrory taking the flak for it he passed it over like an amateur manager passing the blame onto someone else. I was there Saturday im a proud Swindon fan and always will be bur when you pay out your hard earned money on petrol tickets food and drink for games you expect to get something back. If we had lost 2-0 and battled and been unlucky then fine but Saturday was spineless with no hope of getting anything from the game and cooper basically said the same by cslling it like a charity game. Mr mcrory you want the fans to back you well tell us the truth and give us back our pride. If we get a new mamager I will come on here and apologise bit if we have cooper then im afraid mr mcrory you are the one who is keeping us in negativity mowey33

10:08am Tue 20 Aug 13

stfc4ever!! says...

the don69 wrote:
Guv wrote: May as well of carried on as we are, now it will probably cost us compensation when we have to fire him, as he is not the man for STFC! Pretty simple, he don't listen to the fans, he don't care who keeps this club alive by supporting the team. Without fans you have no club! All we asked for was a decent manager and there are many of them, those with proven experience, We have a team with no real first hand experience so the least we needed was a manager with some experience. I wasn't expecting Glenn Hoddle (all though he would of been my first choice) but someone. Why wait 5 weeks when you knew all along you would pay peanuts for this? All that crap, I have the same money as the previous board, we will be promoted, well Jed, if we get promoted this year as you promised then I will personally eat my hat at half time on the last game of the season! STFC is important to a lot of people, promotion was a few games away when you and your ideas came to town! How glad I am you didn't go for promotion really, imagine Watford playing us under cooper, good god! Bad choice, one that suits you and doesn't suit the fans or the players or the team. No passion, no ambition for champtionship, all you want is a toy, hurry up and get bored and sell it FITTON WHERE ARE YOU? Save us from this low life
Fitton was so convinced he made the right choice of manager in Malpas and he was awful,Fitton was also a wanabee football manager no thanks guv/fredi or whatever name you go by!!!!!!!!!!
Guv you do make me laugh. I would like to know where and when exactly Jed PROMISED promotion. Its the AIM of any club to be promoted but to promise that a club will be is absolute rubbish. No chairman can guarentee promotion.

Fitton promised championship football in 3 years look what happened to that plan. He failed and yet your asking for him back?!??!!!
[quote][p][bold]the don69[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Guv[/bold] wrote: May as well of carried on as we are, now it will probably cost us compensation when we have to fire him, as he is not the man for STFC! Pretty simple, he don't listen to the fans, he don't care who keeps this club alive by supporting the team. Without fans you have no club! All we asked for was a decent manager and there are many of them, those with proven experience, We have a team with no real first hand experience so the least we needed was a manager with some experience. I wasn't expecting Glenn Hoddle (all though he would of been my first choice) but someone. Why wait 5 weeks when you knew all along you would pay peanuts for this? All that crap, I have the same money as the previous board, we will be promoted, well Jed, if we get promoted this year as you promised then I will personally eat my hat at half time on the last game of the season! STFC is important to a lot of people, promotion was a few games away when you and your ideas came to town! How glad I am you didn't go for promotion really, imagine Watford playing us under cooper, good god! Bad choice, one that suits you and doesn't suit the fans or the players or the team. No passion, no ambition for champtionship, all you want is a toy, hurry up and get bored and sell it FITTON WHERE ARE YOU? Save us from this low life[/p][/quote]Fitton was so convinced he made the right choice of manager in Malpas and he was awful,Fitton was also a wanabee football manager no thanks guv/fredi or whatever name you go by!!!!!!!!!![/p][/quote]Guv you do make me laugh. I would like to know where and when exactly Jed PROMISED promotion. Its the AIM of any club to be promoted but to promise that a club will be is absolute rubbish. No chairman can guarentee promotion. Fitton promised championship football in 3 years look what happened to that plan. He failed and yet your asking for him back?!??!!! stfc4ever!!

10:09am Tue 20 Aug 13

louiscassius says...

Stilloyal wrote:
louiscassius wrote:
Come on lads, We all waited yesterday thinking, Breaking News Mr X.(Big name) was going to be the new Boss. But, deep in our hearts we knew Mark was the guy. You can't drop 50% of the wages in 5 months and expect it all to be good. I think Yeovil was quite on quite a low range budget, but ask yourselves how long their budget has been that way, quite a few years I should think, run by a guy who's operated under those sorts of conditions for a lot of his managerial career. So, consolidation and mix bag time this season I think, but essential to keep the Club afloat. It's not going to be pretty, we all know that, but thank god it's finally arrived and the speculation can now stop. Lets just see if we get a couple more good players in, in the next 11 days.....Could make all the difference in some cases.... Here's to 2014/15 season being a lot more stable and just generally nice.
Yeovil also have a manager that knows what he's doing mate.
As I said buddy, a manager that has been operating like this for years....

I know that Johnson's been sacked quite a few times.,......

Lets not get carried away with who's amazing and who isn't....

Everyone has to start somewhere......

I could get some posts from when PDC was announced; to show you what people thought of his appointment at the time, but that would just prove what we all know......

Us Fans want results.....Us Fans are like babies......, we need to feel safe and secure....

It'll take a while but I'm sure we'll be fine, and guess what, the Club is not in Admin, and not going to be kicked outta the League....Now to me that's a massive plus!!!
[quote][p][bold]Stilloyal[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]louiscassius[/bold] wrote: Come on lads, We all waited yesterday thinking, Breaking News Mr X.(Big name) was going to be the new Boss. But, deep in our hearts we knew Mark was the guy. You can't drop 50% of the wages in 5 months and expect it all to be good. I think Yeovil was quite on quite a low range budget, but ask yourselves how long their budget has been that way, quite a few years I should think, run by a guy who's operated under those sorts of conditions for a lot of his managerial career. So, consolidation and mix bag time this season I think, but essential to keep the Club afloat. It's not going to be pretty, we all know that, but thank god it's finally arrived and the speculation can now stop. Lets just see if we get a couple more good players in, in the next 11 days.....Could make all the difference in some cases.... Here's to 2014/15 season being a lot more stable and just generally nice.[/p][/quote]Yeovil also have a manager that knows what he's doing mate.[/p][/quote]As I said buddy, a manager that has been operating like this for years.... I know that Johnson's been sacked quite a few times.,...... Lets not get carried away with who's amazing and who isn't.... Everyone has to start somewhere...... I could get some posts from when PDC was announced; to show you what people thought of his appointment at the time, but that would just prove what we all know...... Us Fans want results.....Us Fans are like babies......, we need to feel safe and secure.... It'll take a while but I'm sure we'll be fine, and guess what, the Club is not in Admin, and not going to be kicked outta the League....Now to me that's a massive plus!!! louiscassius

10:12am Tue 20 Aug 13

Cookie43 says...

I guess you could call me a " happy clapper "
As some on here call being optimistic.
But I think that this appointment is a very brave decision as I can not see anything other than a tough season ahead.
I think it's obvious to us all that this board does not have a pot to Pi.ss in
Shopping in aldi other than tesco or even poundland
I want to give then a chance money or not
But in this case I do not agree with this choice
I truly hope I am wrong I really do. As we have a team made up of young lads and cheap options even our star new striker was cheap and desperate so again I hope he works out, but after Shrewsburys performance which I was at I am for the first time a bit worried
I know it's early in the season but I fear by the time our kids toughen up to the physical aspects of league 1 footy it might be a little to late
I guess you could call me a " happy clapper " As some on here call being optimistic. But I think that this appointment is a very brave decision as I can not see anything other than a tough season ahead. I think it's obvious to us all that this board does not have a pot to Pi.ss in Shopping in aldi other than tesco or even poundland I want to give then a chance money or not But in this case I do not agree with this choice I truly hope I am wrong I really do. As we have a team made up of young lads and cheap options even our star new striker was cheap and desperate so again I hope he works out, but after Shrewsburys performance which I was at I am for the first time a bit worried I know it's early in the season but I fear by the time our kids toughen up to the physical aspects of league 1 footy it might be a little to late Cookie43

10:12am Tue 20 Aug 13

mallorca says...

Why not???????
when you look at all the cr-p Managers the Town have had plus money paid out why not give this guy a CHANCE??????? granted he has a hard task ahead of him so good luck to him
Why not??????? when you look at all the cr-p Managers the Town have had plus money paid out why not give this guy a CHANCE??????? granted he has a hard task ahead of him so good luck to him mallorca

10:12am Tue 20 Aug 13

mallorca says...

Why not???????
when you look at all the cr-p Managers the Town have had plus money paid out why not give this guy a CHANCE??????? granted he has a hard task ahead of him so good luck to him
Why not??????? when you look at all the cr-p Managers the Town have had plus money paid out why not give this guy a CHANCE??????? granted he has a hard task ahead of him so good luck to him mallorca

10:17am Tue 20 Aug 13

louiscassius says...

Stilloyal wrote:
louiscassius wrote:
Come on lads, We all waited yesterday thinking, Breaking News Mr X.(Big name) was going to be the new Boss. But, deep in our hearts we knew Mark was the guy. You can't drop 50% of the wages in 5 months and expect it all to be good. I think Yeovil was quite on quite a low range budget, but ask yourselves how long their budget has been that way, quite a few years I should think, run by a guy who's operated under those sorts of conditions for a lot of his managerial career. So, consolidation and mix bag time this season I think, but essential to keep the Club afloat. It's not going to be pretty, we all know that, but thank god it's finally arrived and the speculation can now stop. Lets just see if we get a couple more good players in, in the next 11 days.....Could make all the difference in some cases.... Here's to 2014/15 season being a lot more stable and just generally nice.
Yeovil also have a manager that knows what he's doing mate.
Loyal:

Just to prove a little point, i'm not rubbing this in, just want people to see that Yeovil's Manager Gary Johnson hasn't always got it right:

On 4 March 2011, Johnson was announced as the new manager of Northampton Town signing on a two and a half year deal His first season in charge almost saw the club relegated from the Football League. At the time of Johnson's appointment Northampton had only lost one of their previous seven games, but a disastrous run, in which the club went eleven games without a win, saw them slip down the table. Under Johnson they had only managed to pick up six points, and it was only by beating Stevenage in the penultimate game of the season that they secured their survival. Northampton Town and Johnson parted company by mutual consent on 14 November, with the team having secured just four wins in the new campaign.

Lads,

As you can see, here's a guy for which we would all say...Yeah great Manager.....Hmmmm, me thinks some Guys just need a break and allowed time to develop and hone in the skills.......??
[quote][p][bold]Stilloyal[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]louiscassius[/bold] wrote: Come on lads, We all waited yesterday thinking, Breaking News Mr X.(Big name) was going to be the new Boss. But, deep in our hearts we knew Mark was the guy. You can't drop 50% of the wages in 5 months and expect it all to be good. I think Yeovil was quite on quite a low range budget, but ask yourselves how long their budget has been that way, quite a few years I should think, run by a guy who's operated under those sorts of conditions for a lot of his managerial career. So, consolidation and mix bag time this season I think, but essential to keep the Club afloat. It's not going to be pretty, we all know that, but thank god it's finally arrived and the speculation can now stop. Lets just see if we get a couple more good players in, in the next 11 days.....Could make all the difference in some cases.... Here's to 2014/15 season being a lot more stable and just generally nice.[/p][/quote]Yeovil also have a manager that knows what he's doing mate.[/p][/quote]Loyal: Just to prove a little point, i'm not rubbing this in, just want people to see that Yeovil's Manager Gary Johnson hasn't always got it right: On 4 March 2011, Johnson was announced as the new manager of Northampton Town signing on a two and a half year deal[8] His first season in charge almost saw the club relegated from the Football League. At the time of Johnson's appointment Northampton had only lost one of their previous seven games, but a disastrous run, in which the club went eleven games without a win, saw them slip down the table. Under Johnson they had only managed to pick up six points, and it was only by beating Stevenage in the penultimate game of the season that they secured their survival.[9] Northampton Town and Johnson parted company by mutual consent on 14 November, with the team having secured just four wins in the new campaign. Lads, As you can see, here's a guy for which we would all say...Yeah great Manager.....Hmmmm, me thinks some Guys just need a break and allowed time to develop and hone in the skills.......?? louiscassius

10:19am Tue 20 Aug 13

buckobassettboy says...

louiscassius wrote:
Come on lads,

We all waited yesterday thinking, Breaking News Mr X.(Big name) was going to be the new Boss. But, deep in our hearts we knew Mark was the guy.

You can't drop 50% of the wages in 5 months and expect it all to be good.

I think Yeovil was quite on quite a low range budget, but ask yourselves how long their budget has been that way, quite a few years I should think, run by a guy who's operated under those sorts of conditions for a lot of his managerial career.

So, consolidation and mix bag time this season I think, but essential to keep the Club afloat. It's not going to be pretty, we all know that, but thank god it's finally arrived and the speculation can now stop.

Lets just see if we get a couple more good players in, in the next 11 days.....Could make all the difference in some cases....

Here's to 2014/15 season being a lot more stable and just generally nice.
The last line is so appropriate to my current stance-I am staying away with my money in my pocket.Maybe a token gesture-but as far as throwing money into a regime that feeds us ,the fans,continual rhetoric,deceit and contempt beyond belief is something that I will not contemplate.The 2013-2014 season with the view of consolidation?We already know what that means-a veiled excuse for mediocrity which the incumbent board expect to be bankrolled from the turnstiles by the long suffering fans.Lets face it-since the departure of PDC,the arrival and abject failure of KMAC and now the appointment of Cooper,its been awful and generally the posters on here would concur.Having read the unbiased appraisal of the match on Saturday from a number of posters just makes my personal stance more solid.Every last one of the fans will make their own choice and good luck to them.I will follow the Town until I die-for the moment that does not include financial support.
[quote][p][bold]louiscassius[/bold] wrote: Come on lads, We all waited yesterday thinking, Breaking News Mr X.(Big name) was going to be the new Boss. But, deep in our hearts we knew Mark was the guy. You can't drop 50% of the wages in 5 months and expect it all to be good. I think Yeovil was quite on quite a low range budget, but ask yourselves how long their budget has been that way, quite a few years I should think, run by a guy who's operated under those sorts of conditions for a lot of his managerial career. So, consolidation and mix bag time this season I think, but essential to keep the Club afloat. It's not going to be pretty, we all know that, but thank god it's finally arrived and the speculation can now stop. Lets just see if we get a couple more good players in, in the next 11 days.....Could make all the difference in some cases.... Here's to 2014/15 season being a lot more stable and just generally nice.[/p][/quote]The last line is so appropriate to my current stance-I am staying away with my money in my pocket.Maybe a token gesture-but as far as throwing money into a regime that feeds us ,the fans,continual rhetoric,deceit and contempt beyond belief is something that I will not contemplate.The 2013-2014 season with the view of consolidation?We already know what that means-a veiled excuse for mediocrity which the incumbent board expect to be bankrolled from the turnstiles by the long suffering fans.Lets face it-since the departure of PDC,the arrival and abject failure of KMAC and now the appointment of Cooper,its been awful and generally the posters on here would concur.Having read the unbiased appraisal of the match on Saturday from a number of posters just makes my personal stance more solid.Every last one of the fans will make their own choice and good luck to them.I will follow the Town until I die-for the moment that does not include financial support. buckobassettboy

10:36am Tue 20 Aug 13

Old Town says...

That just about sums up a lot of the idiots who post on this site - no wonder the chairman complained about it last night !

You have absolutely no facts behind anything you have said but are prepared to not go to games - and yet maintain you 'support' the club ?!?! No real supporter chooses to do that..............

Jesus people here are fickle ! Look at PDC's record in his first half a dozen games - most of the people on here wanted to sack him !

Now people are calling for Coopers head before he has even been given the job ?!?

What would actually make you lot happy ? I don't think anything would unless we appointed Alex Ferguson and spent £50 million quid - actually scrap that statement people would still moan !!!
That just about sums up a lot of the idiots who post on this site - no wonder the chairman complained about it last night ! You have absolutely no facts behind anything you have said but are prepared to not go to games - and yet maintain you 'support' the club ?!?! No real supporter chooses to do that.............. Jesus people here are fickle ! Look at PDC's record in his first half a dozen games - most of the people on here wanted to sack him ! Now people are calling for Coopers head before he has even been given the job ?!? What would actually make you lot happy ? I don't think anything would unless we appointed Alex Ferguson and spent £50 million quid - actually scrap that statement people would still moan !!! Old Town

10:42am Tue 20 Aug 13

Rebel_phish says...

I just got one thing to say on all this...... whoever is in the dug-out, whoever is wearing the shirt ...

I'll be there come Saturday.

Town v Gills

COYR
I just got one thing to say on all this...... whoever is in the dug-out, whoever is wearing the shirt ... I'll be there come Saturday. Town v Gills COYR Rebel_phish

10:50am Tue 20 Aug 13

MITTED says...

Cooper is not the solution. It will all end in tears.
COYR
Cooper is not the solution. It will all end in tears. COYR MITTED

10:52am Tue 20 Aug 13

Oxon-Red says...

Good luck Mark from now on I am right behind you and wish you every success.

I am not bothered by your previous form as a manager and I will not pre-judge you. I want you to succeed for one reason only and that is because you are now manager at the football club I love.

I hope to that your stay is a long one as that will mean you and STFC have done well.

Good Luck Mark.

COYMR
Good luck Mark from now on I am right behind you and wish you every success. I am not bothered by your previous form as a manager and I will not pre-judge you. I want you to succeed for one reason only and that is because you are now manager at the football club I love. I hope to that your stay is a long one as that will mean you and STFC have done well. Good Luck Mark. COYMR Oxon-Red

10:53am Tue 20 Aug 13

FenlandRed says...

Among all the **** and sniping, can I simply say congratulations to Mark Cooper. Let's all get behind the guy and the eleven players he puts out on Saturday. He's clearly wanted the job and, in such a short time, has managed to deal with all the off-field issues and put together a young but promising team. We have no devine right to expect victories every week. This is a work in progress.
Among all the **** and sniping, can I simply say congratulations to Mark Cooper. Let's all get behind the guy and the eleven players he puts out on Saturday. He's clearly wanted the job and, in such a short time, has managed to deal with all the off-field issues and put together a young but promising team. We have no devine right to expect victories every week. This is a work in progress. FenlandRed

10:54am Tue 20 Aug 13

stfc4ever!! says...

louiscassius wrote:
Stilloyal wrote:
louiscassius wrote: Come on lads, We all waited yesterday thinking, Breaking News Mr X.(Big name) was going to be the new Boss. But, deep in our hearts we knew Mark was the guy. You can't drop 50% of the wages in 5 months and expect it all to be good. I think Yeovil was quite on quite a low range budget, but ask yourselves how long their budget has been that way, quite a few years I should think, run by a guy who's operated under those sorts of conditions for a lot of his managerial career. So, consolidation and mix bag time this season I think, but essential to keep the Club afloat. It's not going to be pretty, we all know that, but thank god it's finally arrived and the speculation can now stop. Lets just see if we get a couple more good players in, in the next 11 days.....Could make all the difference in some cases.... Here's to 2014/15 season being a lot more stable and just generally nice.
Yeovil also have a manager that knows what he's doing mate.
Loyal: Just to prove a little point, i'm not rubbing this in, just want people to see that Yeovil's Manager Gary Johnson hasn't always got it right: On 4 March 2011, Johnson was announced as the new manager of Northampton Town signing on a two and a half year deal His first season in charge almost saw the club relegated from the Football League. At the time of Johnson's appointment Northampton had only lost one of their previous seven games, but a disastrous run, in which the club went eleven games without a win, saw them slip down the table. Under Johnson they had only managed to pick up six points, and it was only by beating Stevenage in the penultimate game of the season that they secured their survival. Northampton Town and Johnson parted company by mutual consent on 14 November, with the team having secured just four wins in the new campaign. Lads, As you can see, here's a guy for which we would all say...Yeah great Manager.....Hmmmm, me thinks some Guys just need a break and allowed time to develop and hone in the skills.......??
Agreed Louis. Stability is the key this season and Im more than happy to give MC a decent crack at things. Some are pessimistic and while others are optimistic and I understand that as thats football and thats what makes it special is the constant difference in opinions. However demanding a change of scene after 3 league games is obscene and far too early to get a fair evaluation for anyone. PDC first few games werent exactly hitting the spectacular heights they eventually achieved with many many fans calling him to go early on.
[quote][p][bold]louiscassius[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Stilloyal[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]louiscassius[/bold] wrote: Come on lads, We all waited yesterday thinking, Breaking News Mr X.(Big name) was going to be the new Boss. But, deep in our hearts we knew Mark was the guy. You can't drop 50% of the wages in 5 months and expect it all to be good. I think Yeovil was quite on quite a low range budget, but ask yourselves how long their budget has been that way, quite a few years I should think, run by a guy who's operated under those sorts of conditions for a lot of his managerial career. So, consolidation and mix bag time this season I think, but essential to keep the Club afloat. It's not going to be pretty, we all know that, but thank god it's finally arrived and the speculation can now stop. Lets just see if we get a couple more good players in, in the next 11 days.....Could make all the difference in some cases.... Here's to 2014/15 season being a lot more stable and just generally nice.[/p][/quote]Yeovil also have a manager that knows what he's doing mate.[/p][/quote]Loyal: Just to prove a little point, i'm not rubbing this in, just want people to see that Yeovil's Manager Gary Johnson hasn't always got it right: On 4 March 2011, Johnson was announced as the new manager of Northampton Town signing on a two and a half year deal[8] His first season in charge almost saw the club relegated from the Football League. At the time of Johnson's appointment Northampton had only lost one of their previous seven games, but a disastrous run, in which the club went eleven games without a win, saw them slip down the table. Under Johnson they had only managed to pick up six points, and it was only by beating Stevenage in the penultimate game of the season that they secured their survival.[9] Northampton Town and Johnson parted company by mutual consent on 14 November, with the team having secured just four wins in the new campaign. Lads, As you can see, here's a guy for which we would all say...Yeah great Manager.....Hmmmm, me thinks some Guys just need a break and allowed time to develop and hone in the skills.......??[/p][/quote]Agreed Louis. Stability is the key this season and Im more than happy to give MC a decent crack at things. Some are pessimistic and while others are optimistic and I understand that as thats football and thats what makes it special is the constant difference in opinions. However demanding a change of scene after 3 league games is obscene and far too early to get a fair evaluation for anyone. PDC first few games werent exactly hitting the spectacular heights they eventually achieved with many many fans calling him to go early on. stfc4ever!!

11:04am Tue 20 Aug 13

Oxon-Red says...

Robinonfire wrote:
Cheap manager option again...........L2 HERE WE COME
Cheap comment, again

COYMR
[quote][p][bold]Robinonfire[/bold] wrote: Cheap manager option again...........L2 HERE WE COME[/p][/quote]Cheap comment, again COYMR Oxon-Red

11:07am Tue 20 Aug 13

Oxon-Red says...

Guv wrote:
May as well of carried on as we are, now it will probably cost us compensation when we have to fire him, as he is not the man for STFC! Pretty simple, he don't listen to the fans, he don't care who keeps this club alive by supporting the team. Without fans you have no club! All we asked for was a decent manager and there are many of them, those with proven experience, We have a team with no real first hand experience so the least we needed was a manager with some experience. I wasn't expecting Glenn Hoddle (all though he would of been my first choice) but someone. Why wait 5 weeks when you knew all along you would pay peanuts for this? All that crap, I have the same money as the previous board, we will be promoted, well Jed, if we get promoted this year as you promised then I will personally eat my hat at half time on the last game of the season! STFC is important to a lot of people, promotion was a few games away when you and your ideas came to town! How glad I am you didn't go for promotion really, imagine Watford playing us under cooper, good god! Bad choice, one that suits you and doesn't suit the fans or the players or the team. No passion, no ambition for champtionship, all you want is a toy, hurry up and get bored and sell it FITTON WHERE ARE YOU? Save us from this low life
FITTON WHERE WERE YOU WHEN WE NEEDED YOU ??????

COYMR
[quote][p][bold]Guv[/bold] wrote: May as well of carried on as we are, now it will probably cost us compensation when we have to fire him, as he is not the man for STFC! Pretty simple, he don't listen to the fans, he don't care who keeps this club alive by supporting the team. Without fans you have no club! All we asked for was a decent manager and there are many of them, those with proven experience, We have a team with no real first hand experience so the least we needed was a manager with some experience. I wasn't expecting Glenn Hoddle (all though he would of been my first choice) but someone. Why wait 5 weeks when you knew all along you would pay peanuts for this? All that crap, I have the same money as the previous board, we will be promoted, well Jed, if we get promoted this year as you promised then I will personally eat my hat at half time on the last game of the season! STFC is important to a lot of people, promotion was a few games away when you and your ideas came to town! How glad I am you didn't go for promotion really, imagine Watford playing us under cooper, good god! Bad choice, one that suits you and doesn't suit the fans or the players or the team. No passion, no ambition for champtionship, all you want is a toy, hurry up and get bored and sell it FITTON WHERE ARE YOU? Save us from this low life[/p][/quote]FITTON WHERE WERE YOU WHEN WE NEEDED YOU ?????? COYMR Oxon-Red

11:08am Tue 20 Aug 13

Oxon-Red says...

Robinonfire wrote:
COOPER OUT POWER OUT JED OUT Bring back Fitton
Another Cheap Comment

COYMR
[quote][p][bold]Robinonfire[/bold] wrote: COOPER OUT POWER OUT JED OUT Bring back Fitton[/p][/quote]Another Cheap Comment COYMR Oxon-Red

11:19am Tue 20 Aug 13

AdderB says...

Sorry but I'm not happy with Mark Cooper as a manager. He has no track record. If he thinks we can pass the ball from the back without getting caught out , I think he's sadly mistaken. We are not good enough !
So far we have beaten two teams who are struggling badly.
I am afraid that if we start to lose at home , the fans will not be Patient at all.
I know Town are never going to be a massive club but we could average 10K crowds in the Championship ( if we get there) and should be able to attract a good manager and players.to match.
When you Pay peanuts etc etc ............
Sorry but I'm not happy with Mark Cooper as a manager. He has no track record. If he thinks we can pass the ball from the back without getting caught out , I think he's sadly mistaken. We are not good enough ! So far we have beaten two teams who are struggling badly. I am afraid that if we start to lose at home , the fans will not be Patient at all. I know Town are never going to be a massive club but we could average 10K crowds in the Championship ( if we get there) and should be able to attract a good manager and players.to match. When you Pay peanuts etc etc ............ AdderB

11:21am Tue 20 Aug 13

tenerifetaxi says...

Old Town wrote:
That just about sums up a lot of the idiots who post on this site - no wonder the chairman complained about it last night !

You have absolutely no facts behind anything you have said but are prepared to not go to games - and yet maintain you 'support' the club ?!?! No real supporter chooses to do that..............

Jesus people here are fickle ! Look at PDC's record in his first half a dozen games - most of the people on here wanted to sack him !

Now people are calling for Coopers head before he has even been given the job ?!?

What would actually make you lot happy ? I don't think anything would unless we appointed Alex Ferguson and spent £50 million quid - actually scrap that statement people would still moan !!!
I agree it seems that some will never be happy whatever, however I can also understand a lot of the negativity, which I admit i have been guilty of in the past, which I feel is driven by a lack of transparency from the club and seemingly deliberate bullship or attempt to mislead us fans.

Despite my reservations following the departure if PDC I did renew my season tickets and will give my 100% support to the club, and give MC a chance to prove himself.
[quote][p][bold]Old Town[/bold] wrote: That just about sums up a lot of the idiots who post on this site - no wonder the chairman complained about it last night ! You have absolutely no facts behind anything you have said but are prepared to not go to games - and yet maintain you 'support' the club ?!?! No real supporter chooses to do that.............. Jesus people here are fickle ! Look at PDC's record in his first half a dozen games - most of the people on here wanted to sack him ! Now people are calling for Coopers head before he has even been given the job ?!? What would actually make you lot happy ? I don't think anything would unless we appointed Alex Ferguson and spent £50 million quid - actually scrap that statement people would still moan !!![/p][/quote]I agree it seems that some will never be happy whatever, however I can also understand a lot of the negativity, which I admit i have been guilty of in the past, which I feel is driven by a lack of transparency from the club and seemingly deliberate bullship or attempt to mislead us fans. Despite my reservations following the departure if PDC I did renew my season tickets and will give my 100% support to the club, and give MC a chance to prove himself. tenerifetaxi

11:22am Tue 20 Aug 13

Swindonian63 says...

This is my 51st year as a Town supporter...forgive me if I ramble a little.

Exactly 50 years ago in the 1963/64 season I was privileged enough to see some of the most scintillating football during that fifty year period when Bert Head gave youth a chance and a team of talented youngsters repaid his faith. I'm not saying that this was the best football I ever seen the Town play but it does live in the memory. Neither am I saying that the current crop of youngsters compares with Hunt, Summerbee, Woodruff and the others but they do deserve the opportunity.

So does Mark Cooper for that matter. To vilify him on this forum as some have is as unfair as it is counter-productive. It can only have a negative effect. True Town fans will give him support, certainly until sufficient time has elapsed to form a fair judgement on his abilities and results.

If you're not prepared to do this then I question your true feelings for your football club.
This is my 51st year as a Town supporter...forgive me if I ramble a little. Exactly 50 years ago in the 1963/64 season I was privileged enough to see some of the most scintillating football during that fifty year period when Bert Head gave youth a chance and a team of talented youngsters repaid his faith. I'm not saying that this was the best football I ever seen the Town play but it does live in the memory. Neither am I saying that the current crop of youngsters compares with Hunt, Summerbee, Woodruff and the others but they do deserve the opportunity. So does Mark Cooper for that matter. To vilify him on this forum as some have is as unfair as it is counter-productive. It can only have a negative effect. True Town fans will give him support, certainly until sufficient time has elapsed to form a fair judgement on his abilities and results. If you're not prepared to do this then I question your true feelings for your football club. Swindonian63

11:29am Tue 20 Aug 13

tifosi says...

Only three matches in to the season and some fans reckon we're doomed. For God's sake let's stop this mudslinging and get behind the team and our new manager. He's got a big enough job as it is without all this negative moaning.
So we've had our financial problems - now we're into a new season - new young players - new manager. Fans should now support not scupper the team
Only three matches in to the season and some fans reckon we're doomed. For God's sake let's stop this mudslinging and get behind the team and our new manager. He's got a big enough job as it is without all this negative moaning. So we've had our financial problems - now we're into a new season - new young players - new manager. Fans should now support not scupper the team tifosi

11:33am Tue 20 Aug 13

Wilesy says...

Happy to get behind whoever is manager, if we do well or not that is down to the collective imo not just one person, that includes the board the management team and the players.

One thing I do have a concern about is the management team. PDC had a very close-knit team all working for the maestro, it was very clear he was the man and even if you didnt agree with his actions you knew that preparation had been done to the finest detail.

When PDC left we got a cobbled together bunch of blokes - Digby bumped into in the pub, fancy a job yeah ok...Pitman stood in the dug out....new physio from wherever....any dieticians or fitness guys not sure.. The individuals we have are I am sure competent in their field I'm sure but what I was hoping for with this appointment was not just a name manager but an established management team to come in and take our players by the scruff of the neck and really add some organisation to the system.

That may be harsh, but take the Tottenham game. Different world I know but at half-time they had 6 coaches out on the field intensely preparing the players for the second half in small groups. We had a few subs out having a kick about and a chat and a giggle. I don't normally see the pre-game warm-ups but I did at Supermarine and it was the same all a bit jokey. No sign of KMAc, Cooper had about 8 of them doing a drill, Digby was with the keepers, the rest were stood about it looked a shambles. Small details I know but my perception is what it is and I was hoping for a new management team whereas we may just get a number two now.
Happy to get behind whoever is manager, if we do well or not that is down to the collective imo not just one person, that includes the board the management team and the players. One thing I do have a concern about is the management team. PDC had a very close-knit team all working for the maestro, it was very clear he was the man and even if you didnt agree with his actions you knew that preparation had been done to the finest detail. When PDC left we got a cobbled together bunch of blokes - Digby bumped into in the pub, fancy a job yeah ok...Pitman stood in the dug out....new physio from wherever....any dieticians or fitness guys not sure.. The individuals we have are I am sure competent in their field I'm sure but what I was hoping for with this appointment was not just a name manager but an established management team to come in and take our players by the scruff of the neck and really add some organisation to the system. That may be harsh, but take the Tottenham game. Different world I know but at half-time they had 6 coaches out on the field intensely preparing the players for the second half in small groups. We had a few subs out having a kick about and a chat and a giggle. I don't normally see the pre-game warm-ups but I did at Supermarine and it was the same all a bit jokey. No sign of KMAc, Cooper had about 8 of them doing a drill, Digby was with the keepers, the rest were stood about it looked a shambles. Small details I know but my perception is what it is and I was hoping for a new management team whereas we may just get a number two now. Wilesy

11:34am Tue 20 Aug 13

the wizard says...

Whether you approve of Coopers appointment or not, it seems to me that this was the boards intention the minute Kmac walked. The way it has been handled is a PR disaster akin to the Jedspin we have seen since February.
The simple answer is found on the balance sheet, we have no money available for the -"experienced"- person so many reckon we should be appointing. The performance of the players on the pitch however is not directly attributable to Cooper, for those that do not see the relevance, THIS IS POWER'S TEAM NOT COOPERS. Sorry for the caps but there are still those that cannot see this and they need to engage brain, Cooper is NOT the villain here. He is merely following orders, and who can blame him.

Does Cooper now get a budget to bring in his players ???

For me the most worrying aspect is, should Cooper walk, there is nobody else within the club structure capable of taking over. Ward for all his good intentions is not the answer either, not even in the short term.

After all the hard work done to stand the club on its feet over the last few months two big errors in under a week, Ranger and no assistant of worth for Cooper. If he is only the coach then appoint him as such, and put an end to this masquerade. Just as we thought it was over Jedspin rears its ugly head yet once more, and the timing is still lousy.
Whether you approve of Coopers appointment or not, it seems to me that this was the boards intention the minute Kmac walked. The way it has been handled is a PR disaster akin to the Jedspin we have seen since February. The simple answer is found on the balance sheet, we have no money available for the -"experienced"- person so many reckon we should be appointing. The performance of the players on the pitch however is not directly attributable to Cooper, for those that do not see the relevance, THIS IS POWER'S TEAM NOT COOPERS. Sorry for the caps but there are still those that cannot see this and they need to engage brain, Cooper is NOT the villain here. He is merely following orders, and who can blame him. Does Cooper now get a budget to bring in his players ??? For me the most worrying aspect is, should Cooper walk, there is nobody else within the club structure capable of taking over. Ward for all his good intentions is not the answer either, not even in the short term. After all the hard work done to stand the club on its feet over the last few months two big errors in under a week, Ranger and no assistant of worth for Cooper. If he is only the coach then appoint him as such, and put an end to this masquerade. Just as we thought it was over Jedspin rears its ugly head yet once more, and the timing is still lousy. the wizard

11:36am Tue 20 Aug 13

Hunt & Buzzer says...

so much smoke & mirrors.


Can anyone see any more?
so much smoke & mirrors. Can anyone see any more? Hunt & Buzzer

11:39am Tue 20 Aug 13

Cleuso says...

Was just waiting for that cheap option comment..Robin on fire...you met that expectation as we all would have guessed. How do you know it is a cheap option..we could be paying him a shed load of money because of all the flak he will have to take from some who feel abuse and negativity is the best way to make the club to succeed. Strange thinking that.

Everyone is in the business at the moment of predicting the future, when in truth no one really knows what might happen.The future has many factors some inside and some outside the club and no one person can control all of that..not even a manager.... a single bobble a few years back probably changed the course of club history...managers fault ?? certainly not, but he took the flak for the season that followed.

Some of it may be bad it may be good, but just enjoy the team and club, rightly get disappointed over a defeat and celebrate a win..you can expect both through a season and comment on those, but a perspective of balance wouldn't go amiss unless you want the club to drift aimlessly backwards and end up in the messes we have seen in the past. Its taken over 20 years to rid the club of the debts and disappointment built up from the premiership season and the dessertion which followed and years in a so called footballing wilderness - yet there were still highs and lows it is what supporting a team is all about.

Some really don't appreciate what you have until its gone, take a rain check, we have a club a team, not under a threat to be wound up, yet one poor performance and the potential appointment of a manager to some would suggest that the apocalypse is about to happen. Realism is just not in the vocabulary of some it seems (or they are not even supporters of the Town and just post on here to wind up those that are).
Was just waiting for that cheap option comment..Robin on fire...you met that expectation as we all would have guessed. How do you know it is a cheap option..we could be paying him a shed load of money because of all the flak he will have to take from some who feel abuse and negativity is the best way to make the club to succeed. Strange thinking that. Everyone is in the business at the moment of predicting the future, when in truth no one really knows what might happen.The future has many factors some inside and some outside the club and no one person can control all of that..not even a manager.... a single bobble a few years back probably changed the course of club history...managers fault ?? certainly not, but he took the flak for the season that followed. Some of it may be bad it may be good, but just enjoy the team and club, rightly get disappointed over a defeat and celebrate a win..you can expect both through a season and comment on those, but a perspective of balance wouldn't go amiss unless you want the club to drift aimlessly backwards and end up in the messes we have seen in the past. Its taken over 20 years to rid the club of the debts and disappointment built up from the premiership season and the dessertion which followed and years in a so called footballing wilderness - yet there were still highs and lows it is what supporting a team is all about. Some really don't appreciate what you have until its gone, take a rain check, we have a club a team, not under a threat to be wound up, yet one poor performance and the potential appointment of a manager to some would suggest that the apocalypse is about to happen. Realism is just not in the vocabulary of some it seems (or they are not even supporters of the Town and just post on here to wind up those that are). Cleuso

11:45am Tue 20 Aug 13

Swindon1984 says...

Stilloyal wrote:
Worst kept secret in football. I really despair at this appoinment . I expect I'll get some flak from all the pro Tommy Cooper crowd but come the end of season and certain relegation I won't be saying "I told you so ". It'll be another sad day but I'll be a littl;e consolled when I collect my ££££££££££ £££££'s from Coral's. If cooper gets 2 years or more then it'll be conference. Ever heard the saying "Too good to go down " ?
So you've bet on the town to get relegated? Know it makes no difference to whether it happens or not but that's got to be pessimistic in the extreme.
[quote][p][bold]Stilloyal[/bold] wrote: Worst kept secret in football. I really despair at this appoinment . I expect I'll get some flak from all the pro Tommy Cooper crowd but come the end of season and certain relegation I won't be saying "I told you so ". It'll be another sad day but I'll be a littl;e consolled when I collect my ££££££££££ £££££'s from Coral's. If cooper gets 2 years or more then it'll be conference. Ever heard the saying "Too good to go down " ?[/p][/quote]So you've bet on the town to get relegated? Know it makes no difference to whether it happens or not but that's got to be pessimistic in the extreme. Swindon1984

11:49am Tue 20 Aug 13

LeGod says...

whoever was going to be appointed manager i will always back him and support the team. I do not want Copper as manager as he is inexperienced and his record at other clubs is very poor which does not give me a feel good factor about how our season is going to pan out. With inexperienced players the one thing the board should have done is brought in an experienced manager, so now we have inexperienced players and a manager at this level. At the start of the season when it is nice and sunny and grounds are firm and we can play nice football we may be ok but when the grounds cut up and we are playing on other teams bumpy pitches and they have more physical players than we have i do feel we are going to get stuffed in some games.
The board have made this decision for two reasons firstly MC will cost less than any other manager and secondly i dont think he has much say on team selection he may discuss it with Power etc but i believe Power has the overall decision on who plays.
Saturday is going to be a real test for our team as Martin Allen although his team havent started too well they will be physical and tactically he always seems to get the better of us when we play his teams and MC really has to get saturday spot on to get us the points as September is going to be a very tough month for us with Bristol City,Wolves,Preston,
Mk Dons all to play and i expect all those teams to be challenging for a top 6 place so MC if he comes through that period in good shape i will take back what i have said.

You get a good idea on your team and how you are going to shape up for the season in most circumstances after 10-12 games and i really believe our home form this season is key to us staying in the league as i cant see us getting many away points.

Jed can say all he likes about getting to the championship but i think this season is a consolidation season and hopefully not a relegation season. With MC getting the job he is now straight away under pressure its ok being caretaker but once you get appointed that is it the fans expect.

So as much as i dont want MC as manager i wish him well and will back him and the team and i hope he and they are successful. The downside of have alot of inexperienced players is when you are losing the heads tend to go down and especially if the team or a number of the players are playing badly whereas experienced players know that you never drop your head and even sometimes when playing badly you can grind out results.
A tough tough season i believe is ahead of us but ihope i ma very wrong so good luck MC on saturday which is a game we must win to get us back up the table which i know is early days but as a player looking at the table can also have an effect on you.
Lets get the home form right and anything we can pick up away is a bonus i feel.
whoever was going to be appointed manager i will always back him and support the team. I do not want Copper as manager as he is inexperienced and his record at other clubs is very poor which does not give me a feel good factor about how our season is going to pan out. With inexperienced players the one thing the board should have done is brought in an experienced manager, so now we have inexperienced players and a manager at this level. At the start of the season when it is nice and sunny and grounds are firm and we can play nice football we may be ok but when the grounds cut up and we are playing on other teams bumpy pitches and they have more physical players than we have i do feel we are going to get stuffed in some games. The board have made this decision for two reasons firstly MC will cost less than any other manager and secondly i dont think he has much say on team selection he may discuss it with Power etc but i believe Power has the overall decision on who plays. Saturday is going to be a real test for our team as Martin Allen although his team havent started too well they will be physical and tactically he always seems to get the better of us when we play his teams and MC really has to get saturday spot on to get us the points as September is going to be a very tough month for us with Bristol City,Wolves,Preston, Mk Dons all to play and i expect all those teams to be challenging for a top 6 place so MC if he comes through that period in good shape i will take back what i have said. You get a good idea on your team and how you are going to shape up for the season in most circumstances after 10-12 games and i really believe our home form this season is key to us staying in the league as i cant see us getting many away points. Jed can say all he likes about getting to the championship but i think this season is a consolidation season and hopefully not a relegation season. With MC getting the job he is now straight away under pressure its ok being caretaker but once you get appointed that is it the fans expect. So as much as i dont want MC as manager i wish him well and will back him and the team and i hope he and they are successful. The downside of have alot of inexperienced players is when you are losing the heads tend to go down and especially if the team or a number of the players are playing badly whereas experienced players know that you never drop your head and even sometimes when playing badly you can grind out results. A tough tough season i believe is ahead of us but ihope i ma very wrong so good luck MC on saturday which is a game we must win to get us back up the table which i know is early days but as a player looking at the table can also have an effect on you. Lets get the home form right and anything we can pick up away is a bonus i feel. LeGod

11:53am Tue 20 Aug 13

Oi Den! says...

In my view it takes at least 4 months to find out whether a manager is doing well or not - and even then only if he has been able to shape his own squad.

Cooper has had just 4 games and has no opportunity to bring in players of his choosing or even decide how the team plays.

I believe the current position of team manager at Swindon Town is a complete sham. Cooper is no more than an intermediary between Power and Power's players. How anyone can lay any blame at his door is beyond my understanding.

Good luck to the manager. I think he's going to need plenty of it. He certainly has my full support.
In my view it takes at least 4 months to find out whether a manager is doing well or not - and even then only if he has been able to shape his own squad. Cooper has had just 4 games and has no opportunity to bring in players of his choosing or even decide how the team plays. I believe the current position of team manager at Swindon Town is a complete sham. Cooper is no more than an intermediary between Power and Power's players. How anyone can lay any blame at his door is beyond my understanding. Good luck to the manager. I think he's going to need plenty of it. He certainly has my full support. Oi Den!

11:54am Tue 20 Aug 13

Oxon-Red says...

AdderB wrote:
Sorry but I'm not happy with Mark Cooper as a manager. He has no track record. If he thinks we can pass the ball from the back without getting caught out , I think he's sadly mistaken. We are not good enough ! So far we have beaten two teams who are struggling badly. I am afraid that if we start to lose at home , the fans will not be Patient at all. I know Town are never going to be a massive club but we could average 10K crowds in the Championship ( if we get there) and should be able to attract a good manager and players.to match. When you Pay peanuts etc etc ............
I find the Pay Peanuts remark offensive. Not just to Mark Cooper but to a large percentage of the working population of this country.

Many work in this country for a low wage (peanuts to you). Yes, some jobs anyone could do but not everyone will, Jobs which provide services that we rely on and take for granted every day. We soon moan when the bins aren't collected or the toilets at the hospital are dirty. There are others (social workers, nurses, teachers) that are highly qualified yet work for a relative low wage.

Looks like most of the services in this country are being run by primates.

COYMR
[quote][p][bold]AdderB[/bold] wrote: Sorry but I'm not happy with Mark Cooper as a manager. He has no track record. If he thinks we can pass the ball from the back without getting caught out , I think he's sadly mistaken. We are not good enough ! So far we have beaten two teams who are struggling badly. I am afraid that if we start to lose at home , the fans will not be Patient at all. I know Town are never going to be a massive club but we could average 10K crowds in the Championship ( if we get there) and should be able to attract a good manager and players.to match. When you Pay peanuts etc etc ............[/p][/quote]I find the Pay Peanuts remark offensive. Not just to Mark Cooper but to a large percentage of the working population of this country. Many work in this country for a low wage (peanuts to you). Yes, some jobs anyone could do but not everyone will, Jobs which provide services that we rely on and take for granted every day. We soon moan when the bins aren't collected or the toilets at the hospital are dirty. There are others (social workers, nurses, teachers) that are highly qualified yet work for a relative low wage. Looks like most of the services in this country are being run by primates. COYMR Oxon-Red

11:58am Tue 20 Aug 13

bussy1 says...

buckobassettboy wrote:
louiscassius wrote:
Come on lads,

We all waited yesterday thinking, Breaking News Mr X.(Big name) was going to be the new Boss. But, deep in our hearts we knew Mark was the guy.

You can't drop 50% of the wages in 5 months and expect it all to be good.

I think Yeovil was quite on quite a low range budget, but ask yourselves how long their budget has been that way, quite a few years I should think, run by a guy who's operated under those sorts of conditions for a lot of his managerial career.

So, consolidation and mix bag time this season I think, but essential to keep the Club afloat. It's not going to be pretty, we all know that, but thank god it's finally arrived and the speculation can now stop.

Lets just see if we get a couple more good players in, in the next 11 days.....Could make all the difference in some cases....

Here's to 2014/15 season being a lot more stable and just generally nice.
The last line is so appropriate to my current stance-I am staying away with my money in my pocket.Maybe a token gesture-but as far as throwing money into a regime that feeds us ,the fans,continual rhetoric,deceit and contempt beyond belief is something that I will not contemplate.The 2013-2014 season with the view of consolidation?We already know what that means-a veiled excuse for mediocrity which the incumbent board expect to be bankrolled from the turnstiles by the long suffering fans.Lets face it-since the departure of PDC,the arrival and abject failure of KMAC and now the appointment of Cooper,its been awful and generally the posters on here would concur.Having read the unbiased appraisal of the match on Saturday from a number of posters just makes my personal stance more solid.Every last one of the fans will make their own choice and good luck to them.I will follow the Town until I die-for the moment that does not include financial support.
Well said buckobassettboy. I have watched the town since 1968, but now, like yourself, my money is staying in my pocket. I will not contribute a penny to these clowns running our once great club. This appointment of Cooper was forced on them, no sane person would take the job working under a bunch of amateurs.
12 years ago Swansea fans forced out Mike Lewis. He bought the club for £1 and proceeded to asset strip, selling off all the decent players. Ring any bells?
They ousted him just in time to prevent dropping out league football. Until the happy clappers come to their senses, and force out Jed & Co., this club is on a downward spiral.
[quote][p][bold]buckobassettboy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]louiscassius[/bold] wrote: Come on lads, We all waited yesterday thinking, Breaking News Mr X.(Big name) was going to be the new Boss. But, deep in our hearts we knew Mark was the guy. You can't drop 50% of the wages in 5 months and expect it all to be good. I think Yeovil was quite on quite a low range budget, but ask yourselves how long their budget has been that way, quite a few years I should think, run by a guy who's operated under those sorts of conditions for a lot of his managerial career. So, consolidation and mix bag time this season I think, but essential to keep the Club afloat. It's not going to be pretty, we all know that, but thank god it's finally arrived and the speculation can now stop. Lets just see if we get a couple more good players in, in the next 11 days.....Could make all the difference in some cases.... Here's to 2014/15 season being a lot more stable and just generally nice.[/p][/quote]The last line is so appropriate to my current stance-I am staying away with my money in my pocket.Maybe a token gesture-but as far as throwing money into a regime that feeds us ,the fans,continual rhetoric,deceit and contempt beyond belief is something that I will not contemplate.The 2013-2014 season with the view of consolidation?We already know what that means-a veiled excuse for mediocrity which the incumbent board expect to be bankrolled from the turnstiles by the long suffering fans.Lets face it-since the departure of PDC,the arrival and abject failure of KMAC and now the appointment of Cooper,its been awful and generally the posters on here would concur.Having read the unbiased appraisal of the match on Saturday from a number of posters just makes my personal stance more solid.Every last one of the fans will make their own choice and good luck to them.I will follow the Town until I die-for the moment that does not include financial support.[/p][/quote]Well said buckobassettboy. I have watched the town since 1968, but now, like yourself, my money is staying in my pocket. I will not contribute a penny to these clowns running our once great club. This appointment of Cooper was forced on them, no sane person would take the job working under a bunch of amateurs. 12 years ago Swansea fans forced out Mike Lewis. He bought the club for £1 and proceeded to asset strip, selling off all the decent players. Ring any bells? They ousted him just in time to prevent dropping out league football. Until the happy clappers come to their senses, and force out Jed & Co., this club is on a downward spiral. bussy1

12:04pm Tue 20 Aug 13

the wizard says...

In addition to above I still think things will come good, on the whole. No, not for one moment is this board ideal in every sense, and yes, they will learn by their mistakes. For me a mid table finish will be a good effort. Trying to balance the books after so much over exuberance was always going to be difficult. No, I don't like to see so many loan players but, economies had to be made. Things are far from perfect, and I don't think they will be for a while, but, the BiG bonus is we still have a club in League One. It's a start, and a good base to build on, choppy waters will lay ahead for a while, probably all season, but I will not judge the team or Cooper for a long while yet. Football is know for being full of surprises, and if we can swap Caddis for this Millwall player then that could be a big step in the right direction, seems though Millwall are biding their time so a swap loan deal may be on the cards. Its not all gloom, just lousy PR and Jedspin, both need improving.
In addition to above I still think things will come good, on the whole. No, not for one moment is this board ideal in every sense, and yes, they will learn by their mistakes. For me a mid table finish will be a good effort. Trying to balance the books after so much over exuberance was always going to be difficult. No, I don't like to see so many loan players but, economies had to be made. Things are far from perfect, and I don't think they will be for a while, but, the BiG bonus is we still have a club in League One. It's a start, and a good base to build on, choppy waters will lay ahead for a while, probably all season, but I will not judge the team or Cooper for a long while yet. Football is know for being full of surprises, and if we can swap Caddis for this Millwall player then that could be a big step in the right direction, seems though Millwall are biding their time so a swap loan deal may be on the cards. Its not all gloom, just lousy PR and Jedspin, both need improving. the wizard

12:12pm Tue 20 Aug 13

Oxon-Red says...

bussy1 wrote:
buckobassettboy wrote:
louiscassius wrote: Come on lads, We all waited yesterday thinking, Breaking News Mr X.(Big name) was going to be the new Boss. But, deep in our hearts we knew Mark was the guy. You can't drop 50% of the wages in 5 months and expect it all to be good. I think Yeovil was quite on quite a low range budget, but ask yourselves how long their budget has been that way, quite a few years I should think, run by a guy who's operated under those sorts of conditions for a lot of his managerial career. So, consolidation and mix bag time this season I think, but essential to keep the Club afloat. It's not going to be pretty, we all know that, but thank god it's finally arrived and the speculation can now stop. Lets just see if we get a couple more good players in, in the next 11 days.....Could make all the difference in some cases.... Here's to 2014/15 season being a lot more stable and just generally nice.
The last line is so appropriate to my current stance-I am staying away with my money in my pocket.Maybe a token gesture-but as far as throwing money into a regime that feeds us ,the fans,continual rhetoric,deceit and contempt beyond belief is something that I will not contemplate.The 2013-2014 season with the view of consolidation?We already know what that means-a veiled excuse for mediocrity which the incumbent board expect to be bankrolled from the turnstiles by the long suffering fans.Lets face it-since the departure of PDC,the arrival and abject failure of KMAC and now the appointment of Cooper,its been awful and generally the posters on here would concur.Having read the unbiased appraisal of the match on Saturday from a number of posters just makes my personal stance more solid.Every last one of the fans will make their own choice and good luck to them.I will follow the Town until I die-for the moment that does not include financial support.
Well said buckobassettboy. I have watched the town since 1968, but now, like yourself, my money is staying in my pocket. I will not contribute a penny to these clowns running our once great club. This appointment of Cooper was forced on them, no sane person would take the job working under a bunch of amateurs. 12 years ago Swansea fans forced out Mike Lewis. He bought the club for £1 and proceeded to asset strip, selling off all the decent players. Ring any bells? They ousted him just in time to prevent dropping out league football. Until the happy clappers come to their senses, and force out Jed & Co., this club is on a downward spiral.
We have SOLD two players, two, hardly asset stripping.

Force out Jed !!!

Then what ??????

More substance please and I might listen.

COYMR
[quote][p][bold]bussy1[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]buckobassettboy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]louiscassius[/bold] wrote: Come on lads, We all waited yesterday thinking, Breaking News Mr X.(Big name) was going to be the new Boss. But, deep in our hearts we knew Mark was the guy. You can't drop 50% of the wages in 5 months and expect it all to be good. I think Yeovil was quite on quite a low range budget, but ask yourselves how long their budget has been that way, quite a few years I should think, run by a guy who's operated under those sorts of conditions for a lot of his managerial career. So, consolidation and mix bag time this season I think, but essential to keep the Club afloat. It's not going to be pretty, we all know that, but thank god it's finally arrived and the speculation can now stop. Lets just see if we get a couple more good players in, in the next 11 days.....Could make all the difference in some cases.... Here's to 2014/15 season being a lot more stable and just generally nice.[/p][/quote]The last line is so appropriate to my current stance-I am staying away with my money in my pocket.Maybe a token gesture-but as far as throwing money into a regime that feeds us ,the fans,continual rhetoric,deceit and contempt beyond belief is something that I will not contemplate.The 2013-2014 season with the view of consolidation?We already know what that means-a veiled excuse for mediocrity which the incumbent board expect to be bankrolled from the turnstiles by the long suffering fans.Lets face it-since the departure of PDC,the arrival and abject failure of KMAC and now the appointment of Cooper,its been awful and generally the posters on here would concur.Having read the unbiased appraisal of the match on Saturday from a number of posters just makes my personal stance more solid.Every last one of the fans will make their own choice and good luck to them.I will follow the Town until I die-for the moment that does not include financial support.[/p][/quote]Well said buckobassettboy. I have watched the town since 1968, but now, like yourself, my money is staying in my pocket. I will not contribute a penny to these clowns running our once great club. This appointment of Cooper was forced on them, no sane person would take the job working under a bunch of amateurs. 12 years ago Swansea fans forced out Mike Lewis. He bought the club for £1 and proceeded to asset strip, selling off all the decent players. Ring any bells? They ousted him just in time to prevent dropping out league football. Until the happy clappers come to their senses, and force out Jed & Co., this club is on a downward spiral.[/p][/quote]We have SOLD two players, two, hardly asset stripping. Force out Jed !!! Then what ?????? More substance please and I might listen. COYMR Oxon-Red

12:27pm Tue 20 Aug 13

Oi Den! says...

Oxon-Red wrote:
AdderB wrote:
Sorry but I'm not happy with Mark Cooper as a manager. He has no track record. If he thinks we can pass the ball from the back without getting caught out , I think he's sadly mistaken. We are not good enough ! So far we have beaten two teams who are struggling badly. I am afraid that if we start to lose at home , the fans will not be Patient at all. I know Town are never going to be a massive club but we could average 10K crowds in the Championship ( if we get there) and should be able to attract a good manager and players.to match. When you Pay peanuts etc etc ............
I find the Pay Peanuts remark offensive. Not just to Mark Cooper but to a large percentage of the working population of this country.

Many work in this country for a low wage (peanuts to you). Yes, some jobs anyone could do but not everyone will, Jobs which provide services that we rely on and take for granted every day. We soon moan when the bins aren't collected or the toilets at the hospital are dirty. There are others (social workers, nurses, teachers) that are highly qualified yet work for a relative low wage.

Looks like most of the services in this country are being run by primates.

COYMR
Oxon, I don't know whether you've seen it but I posted a late reply to you on the other Cooper thread. Not looking for a response from you though - just letting you know it's there.
[quote][p][bold]Oxon-Red[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]AdderB[/bold] wrote: Sorry but I'm not happy with Mark Cooper as a manager. He has no track record. If he thinks we can pass the ball from the back without getting caught out , I think he's sadly mistaken. We are not good enough ! So far we have beaten two teams who are struggling badly. I am afraid that if we start to lose at home , the fans will not be Patient at all. I know Town are never going to be a massive club but we could average 10K crowds in the Championship ( if we get there) and should be able to attract a good manager and players.to match. When you Pay peanuts etc etc ............[/p][/quote]I find the Pay Peanuts remark offensive. Not just to Mark Cooper but to a large percentage of the working population of this country. Many work in this country for a low wage (peanuts to you). Yes, some jobs anyone could do but not everyone will, Jobs which provide services that we rely on and take for granted every day. We soon moan when the bins aren't collected or the toilets at the hospital are dirty. There are others (social workers, nurses, teachers) that are highly qualified yet work for a relative low wage. Looks like most of the services in this country are being run by primates. COYMR[/p][/quote]Oxon, I don't know whether you've seen it but I posted a late reply to you on the other Cooper thread. Not looking for a response from you though - just letting you know it's there. Oi Den!

12:39pm Tue 20 Aug 13

stfc4ever!! says...

Oxon-Red wrote:
bussy1 wrote:
buckobassettboy wrote:
louiscassius wrote: Come on lads, We all waited yesterday thinking, Breaking News Mr X.(Big name) was going to be the new Boss. But, deep in our hearts we knew Mark was the guy. You can't drop 50% of the wages in 5 months and expect it all to be good. I think Yeovil was quite on quite a low range budget, but ask yourselves how long their budget has been that way, quite a few years I should think, run by a guy who's operated under those sorts of conditions for a lot of his managerial career. So, consolidation and mix bag time this season I think, but essential to keep the Club afloat. It's not going to be pretty, we all know that, but thank god it's finally arrived and the speculation can now stop. Lets just see if we get a couple more good players in, in the next 11 days.....Could make all the difference in some cases.... Here's to 2014/15 season being a lot more stable and just generally nice.
The last line is so appropriate to my current stance-I am staying away with my money in my pocket.Maybe a token gesture-but as far as throwing money into a regime that feeds us ,the fans,continual rhetoric,deceit and contempt beyond belief is something that I will not contemplate.The 2013-2014 season with the view of consolidation?We already know what that means-a veiled excuse for mediocrity which the incumbent board expect to be bankrolled from the turnstiles by the long suffering fans.Lets face it-since the departure of PDC,the arrival and abject failure of KMAC and now the appointment of Cooper,its been awful and generally the posters on here would concur.Having read the unbiased appraisal of the match on Saturday from a number of posters just makes my personal stance more solid.Every last one of the fans will make their own choice and good luck to them.I will follow the Town until I die-for the moment that does not include financial support.
Well said buckobassettboy. I have watched the town since 1968, but now, like yourself, my money is staying in my pocket. I will not contribute a penny to these clowns running our once great club. This appointment of Cooper was forced on them, no sane person would take the job working under a bunch of amateurs. 12 years ago Swansea fans forced out Mike Lewis. He bought the club for £1 and proceeded to asset strip, selling off all the decent players. Ring any bells? They ousted him just in time to prevent dropping out league football. Until the happy clappers come to their senses, and force out Jed & Co., this club is on a downward spiral.
We have SOLD two players, two, hardly asset stripping. Force out Jed !!! Then what ?????? More substance please and I might listen. COYMR
Yeah not ringing any bells with me. Flint wanted out - sold! Collins we got a decent offer. Caddis bids from Birmingham rejected, Foderingham, Ward, Thompsons signing new contracts. Im sure Jed and Co would prefer if 'fans' like you stayed at home anyway
[quote][p][bold]Oxon-Red[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]bussy1[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]buckobassettboy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]louiscassius[/bold] wrote: Come on lads, We all waited yesterday thinking, Breaking News Mr X.(Big name) was going to be the new Boss. But, deep in our hearts we knew Mark was the guy. You can't drop 50% of the wages in 5 months and expect it all to be good. I think Yeovil was quite on quite a low range budget, but ask yourselves how long their budget has been that way, quite a few years I should think, run by a guy who's operated under those sorts of conditions for a lot of his managerial career. So, consolidation and mix bag time this season I think, but essential to keep the Club afloat. It's not going to be pretty, we all know that, but thank god it's finally arrived and the speculation can now stop. Lets just see if we get a couple more good players in, in the next 11 days.....Could make all the difference in some cases.... Here's to 2014/15 season being a lot more stable and just generally nice.[/p][/quote]The last line is so appropriate to my current stance-I am staying away with my money in my pocket.Maybe a token gesture-but as far as throwing money into a regime that feeds us ,the fans,continual rhetoric,deceit and contempt beyond belief is something that I will not contemplate.The 2013-2014 season with the view of consolidation?We already know what that means-a veiled excuse for mediocrity which the incumbent board expect to be bankrolled from the turnstiles by the long suffering fans.Lets face it-since the departure of PDC,the arrival and abject failure of KMAC and now the appointment of Cooper,its been awful and generally the posters on here would concur.Having read the unbiased appraisal of the match on Saturday from a number of posters just makes my personal stance more solid.Every last one of the fans will make their own choice and good luck to them.I will follow the Town until I die-for the moment that does not include financial support.[/p][/quote]Well said buckobassettboy. I have watched the town since 1968, but now, like yourself, my money is staying in my pocket. I will not contribute a penny to these clowns running our once great club. This appointment of Cooper was forced on them, no sane person would take the job working under a bunch of amateurs. 12 years ago Swansea fans forced out Mike Lewis. He bought the club for £1 and proceeded to asset strip, selling off all the decent players. Ring any bells? They ousted him just in time to prevent dropping out league football. Until the happy clappers come to their senses, and force out Jed & Co., this club is on a downward spiral.[/p][/quote]We have SOLD two players, two, hardly asset stripping. Force out Jed !!! Then what ?????? More substance please and I might listen. COYMR[/p][/quote]Yeah not ringing any bells with me. Flint wanted out - sold! Collins we got a decent offer. Caddis bids from Birmingham rejected, Foderingham, Ward, Thompsons signing new contracts. Im sure Jed and Co would prefer if 'fans' like you stayed at home anyway stfc4ever!!

12:40pm Tue 20 Aug 13

bussy1 says...

Oxon-Red wrote:
bussy1 wrote:
buckobassettboy wrote:
louiscassius wrote: Come on lads, We all waited yesterday thinking, Breaking News Mr X.(Big name) was going to be the new Boss. But, deep in our hearts we knew Mark was the guy. You can't drop 50% of the wages in 5 months and expect it all to be good. I think Yeovil was quite on quite a low range budget, but ask yourselves how long their budget has been that way, quite a few years I should think, run by a guy who's operated under those sorts of conditions for a lot of his managerial career. So, consolidation and mix bag time this season I think, but essential to keep the Club afloat. It's not going to be pretty, we all know that, but thank god it's finally arrived and the speculation can now stop. Lets just see if we get a couple more good players in, in the next 11 days.....Could make all the difference in some cases.... Here's to 2014/15 season being a lot more stable and just generally nice.
The last line is so appropriate to my current stance-I am staying away with my money in my pocket.Maybe a token gesture-but as far as throwing money into a regime that feeds us ,the fans,continual rhetoric,deceit and contempt beyond belief is something that I will not contemplate.The 2013-2014 season with the view of consolidation?We already know what that means-a veiled excuse for mediocrity which the incumbent board expect to be bankrolled from the turnstiles by the long suffering fans.Lets face it-since the departure of PDC,the arrival and abject failure of KMAC and now the appointment of Cooper,its been awful and generally the posters on here would concur.Having read the unbiased appraisal of the match on Saturday from a number of posters just makes my personal stance more solid.Every last one of the fans will make their own choice and good luck to them.I will follow the Town until I die-for the moment that does not include financial support.
Well said buckobassettboy. I have watched the town since 1968, but now, like yourself, my money is staying in my pocket. I will not contribute a penny to these clowns running our once great club. This appointment of Cooper was forced on them, no sane person would take the job working under a bunch of amateurs. 12 years ago Swansea fans forced out Mike Lewis. He bought the club for £1 and proceeded to asset strip, selling off all the decent players. Ring any bells? They ousted him just in time to prevent dropping out league football. Until the happy clappers come to their senses, and force out Jed & Co., this club is on a downward spiral.
We have SOLD two players, two, hardly asset stripping.

Force out Jed !!!

Then what ??????

More substance please and I might listen.

COYMR
Your being pedantic Oxon-red. We may have only SOLD two players, but we got rid of many half decent ones.So you don't think getting rid of players on free transfers like Ferry and McCormack Is asset stripping?
Force Jed out and then what? Look at Swansea now!
[quote][p][bold]Oxon-Red[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]bussy1[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]buckobassettboy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]louiscassius[/bold] wrote: Come on lads, We all waited yesterday thinking, Breaking News Mr X.(Big name) was going to be the new Boss. But, deep in our hearts we knew Mark was the guy. You can't drop 50% of the wages in 5 months and expect it all to be good. I think Yeovil was quite on quite a low range budget, but ask yourselves how long their budget has been that way, quite a few years I should think, run by a guy who's operated under those sorts of conditions for a lot of his managerial career. So, consolidation and mix bag time this season I think, but essential to keep the Club afloat. It's not going to be pretty, we all know that, but thank god it's finally arrived and the speculation can now stop. Lets just see if we get a couple more good players in, in the next 11 days.....Could make all the difference in some cases.... Here's to 2014/15 season being a lot more stable and just generally nice.[/p][/quote]The last line is so appropriate to my current stance-I am staying away with my money in my pocket.Maybe a token gesture-but as far as throwing money into a regime that feeds us ,the fans,continual rhetoric,deceit and contempt beyond belief is something that I will not contemplate.The 2013-2014 season with the view of consolidation?We already know what that means-a veiled excuse for mediocrity which the incumbent board expect to be bankrolled from the turnstiles by the long suffering fans.Lets face it-since the departure of PDC,the arrival and abject failure of KMAC and now the appointment of Cooper,its been awful and generally the posters on here would concur.Having read the unbiased appraisal of the match on Saturday from a number of posters just makes my personal stance more solid.Every last one of the fans will make their own choice and good luck to them.I will follow the Town until I die-for the moment that does not include financial support.[/p][/quote]Well said buckobassettboy. I have watched the town since 1968, but now, like yourself, my money is staying in my pocket. I will not contribute a penny to these clowns running our once great club. This appointment of Cooper was forced on them, no sane person would take the job working under a bunch of amateurs. 12 years ago Swansea fans forced out Mike Lewis. He bought the club for £1 and proceeded to asset strip, selling off all the decent players. Ring any bells? They ousted him just in time to prevent dropping out league football. Until the happy clappers come to their senses, and force out Jed & Co., this club is on a downward spiral.[/p][/quote]We have SOLD two players, two, hardly asset stripping. Force out Jed !!! Then what ?????? More substance please and I might listen. COYMR[/p][/quote]Your being pedantic Oxon-red. We may have only SOLD two players, but we got rid of many half decent ones.So you don't think getting rid of players on free transfers like Ferry and McCormack Is asset stripping? Force Jed out and then what? Look at Swansea now! bussy1

12:47pm Tue 20 Aug 13

Cleuso says...

bussy1 wrote:
buckobassettboy wrote:
louiscassius wrote:
Come on lads,

We all waited yesterday thinking, Breaking News Mr X.(Big name) was going to be the new Boss. But, deep in our hearts we knew Mark was the guy.

You can't drop 50% of the wages in 5 months and expect it all to be good.

I think Yeovil was quite on quite a low range budget, but ask yourselves how long their budget has been that way, quite a few years I should think, run by a guy who's operated under those sorts of conditions for a lot of his managerial career.

So, consolidation and mix bag time this season I think, but essential to keep the Club afloat. It's not going to be pretty, we all know that, but thank god it's finally arrived and the speculation can now stop.

Lets just see if we get a couple more good players in, in the next 11 days.....Could make all the difference in some cases....

Here's to 2014/15 season being a lot more stable and just generally nice.
The last line is so appropriate to my current stance-I am staying away with my money in my pocket.Maybe a token gesture-but as far as throwing money into a regime that feeds us ,the fans,continual rhetoric,deceit and contempt beyond belief is something that I will not contemplate.The 2013-2014 season with the view of consolidation?We already know what that means-a veiled excuse for mediocrity which the incumbent board expect to be bankrolled from the turnstiles by the long suffering fans.Lets face it-since the departure of PDC,the arrival and abject failure of KMAC and now the appointment of Cooper,its been awful and generally the posters on here would concur.Having read the unbiased appraisal of the match on Saturday from a number of posters just makes my personal stance more solid.Every last one of the fans will make their own choice and good luck to them.I will follow the Town until I die-for the moment that does not include financial support.
Well said buckobassettboy. I have watched the town since 1968, but now, like yourself, my money is staying in my pocket. I will not contribute a penny to these clowns running our once great club. This appointment of Cooper was forced on them, no sane person would take the job working under a bunch of amateurs.
12 years ago Swansea fans forced out Mike Lewis. He bought the club for £1 and proceeded to asset strip, selling off all the decent players. Ring any bells?
They ousted him just in time to prevent dropping out league football. Until the happy clappers come to their senses, and force out Jed & Co., this club is on a downward spiral.
So what links Mike Lewis's action to Jed....nothing more than your imagination.

The real reason the club no longer wears the "great" tag you crave is that some fans desert it just when it needs support..so yes your actions if replicated by others will lead to the self fulfilling prophesy of a downward spiral, of changing owners, slipping down the league, financial issues , risks of being wound up. If you have been around since 1968 you should realise that.

A self sustaining model also requires support from fans too... failure to do that and continue their support, will lead to gaps in budgets, leading to even more reductions in player numbers and quality.

Hardly surprising Swansea were struggling back then, fans apathy about supporting the club even before Lewis's involvement had already started the downward spiral which took a long while to turn around....not a couple of years.. many. As I said in my earlier post.....fan desertions over various issues since the premier league season has held back any progress the club has tried to make after a season or two where expectations were raised .

Welcome to the real world.
[quote][p][bold]bussy1[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]buckobassettboy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]louiscassius[/bold] wrote: Come on lads, We all waited yesterday thinking, Breaking News Mr X.(Big name) was going to be the new Boss. But, deep in our hearts we knew Mark was the guy. You can't drop 50% of the wages in 5 months and expect it all to be good. I think Yeovil was quite on quite a low range budget, but ask yourselves how long their budget has been that way, quite a few years I should think, run by a guy who's operated under those sorts of conditions for a lot of his managerial career. So, consolidation and mix bag time this season I think, but essential to keep the Club afloat. It's not going to be pretty, we all know that, but thank god it's finally arrived and the speculation can now stop. Lets just see if we get a couple more good players in, in the next 11 days.....Could make all the difference in some cases.... Here's to 2014/15 season being a lot more stable and just generally nice.[/p][/quote]The last line is so appropriate to my current stance-I am staying away with my money in my pocket.Maybe a token gesture-but as far as throwing money into a regime that feeds us ,the fans,continual rhetoric,deceit and contempt beyond belief is something that I will not contemplate.The 2013-2014 season with the view of consolidation?We already know what that means-a veiled excuse for mediocrity which the incumbent board expect to be bankrolled from the turnstiles by the long suffering fans.Lets face it-since the departure of PDC,the arrival and abject failure of KMAC and now the appointment of Cooper,its been awful and generally the posters on here would concur.Having read the unbiased appraisal of the match on Saturday from a number of posters just makes my personal stance more solid.Every last one of the fans will make their own choice and good luck to them.I will follow the Town until I die-for the moment that does not include financial support.[/p][/quote]Well said buckobassettboy. I have watched the town since 1968, but now, like yourself, my money is staying in my pocket. I will not contribute a penny to these clowns running our once great club. This appointment of Cooper was forced on them, no sane person would take the job working under a bunch of amateurs. 12 years ago Swansea fans forced out Mike Lewis. He bought the club for £1 and proceeded to asset strip, selling off all the decent players. Ring any bells? They ousted him just in time to prevent dropping out league football. Until the happy clappers come to their senses, and force out Jed & Co., this club is on a downward spiral.[/p][/quote]So what links Mike Lewis's action to Jed....nothing more than your imagination. The real reason the club no longer wears the "great" tag you crave is that some fans desert it just when it needs support..so yes your actions if replicated by others will lead to the self fulfilling prophesy of a downward spiral, of changing owners, slipping down the league, financial issues , risks of being wound up. If you have been around since 1968 you should realise that. A self sustaining model also requires support from fans too... failure to do that and continue their support, will lead to gaps in budgets, leading to even more reductions in player numbers and quality. Hardly surprising Swansea were struggling back then, fans apathy about supporting the club even before Lewis's involvement had already started the downward spiral which took a long while to turn around....not a couple of years.. many. As I said in my earlier post.....fan desertions over various issues since the premier league season has held back any progress the club has tried to make after a season or two where expectations were raised . Welcome to the real world. Cleuso

1:01pm Tue 20 Aug 13

Oi Den! says...

Cleuso wrote:
bussy1 wrote:
buckobassettboy wrote:
louiscassius wrote:
Come on lads,

We all waited yesterday thinking, Breaking News Mr X.(Big name) was going to be the new Boss. But, deep in our hearts we knew Mark was the guy.

You can't drop 50% of the wages in 5 months and expect it all to be good.

I think Yeovil was quite on quite a low range budget, but ask yourselves how long their budget has been that way, quite a few years I should think, run by a guy who's operated under those sorts of conditions for a lot of his managerial career.

So, consolidation and mix bag time this season I think, but essential to keep the Club afloat. It's not going to be pretty, we all know that, but thank god it's finally arrived and the speculation can now stop.

Lets just see if we get a couple more good players in, in the next 11 days.....Could make all the difference in some cases....

Here's to 2014/15 season being a lot more stable and just generally nice.
The last line is so appropriate to my current stance-I am staying away with my money in my pocket.Maybe a token gesture-but as far as throwing money into a regime that feeds us ,the fans,continual rhetoric,deceit and contempt beyond belief is something that I will not contemplate.The 2013-2014 season with the view of consolidation?We already know what that means-a veiled excuse for mediocrity which the incumbent board expect to be bankrolled from the turnstiles by the long suffering fans.Lets face it-since the departure of PDC,the arrival and abject failure of KMAC and now the appointment of Cooper,its been awful and generally the posters on here would concur.Having read the unbiased appraisal of the match on Saturday from a number of posters just makes my personal stance more solid.Every last one of the fans will make their own choice and good luck to them.I will follow the Town until I die-for the moment that does not include financial support.
Well said buckobassettboy. I have watched the town since 1968, but now, like yourself, my money is staying in my pocket. I will not contribute a penny to these clowns running our once great club. This appointment of Cooper was forced on them, no sane person would take the job working under a bunch of amateurs.
12 years ago Swansea fans forced out Mike Lewis. He bought the club for £1 and proceeded to asset strip, selling off all the decent players. Ring any bells?
They ousted him just in time to prevent dropping out league football. Until the happy clappers come to their senses, and force out Jed & Co., this club is on a downward spiral.
So what links Mike Lewis's action to Jed....nothing more than your imagination.

The real reason the club no longer wears the "great" tag you crave is that some fans desert it just when it needs support..so yes your actions if replicated by others will lead to the self fulfilling prophesy of a downward spiral, of changing owners, slipping down the league, financial issues , risks of being wound up. If you have been around since 1968 you should realise that.

A self sustaining model also requires support from fans too... failure to do that and continue their support, will lead to gaps in budgets, leading to even more reductions in player numbers and quality.

Hardly surprising Swansea were struggling back then, fans apathy about supporting the club even before Lewis's involvement had already started the downward spiral which took a long while to turn around....not a couple of years.. many. As I said in my earlier post.....fan desertions over various issues since the premier league season has held back any progress the club has tried to make after a season or two where expectations were raised .

Welcome to the real world.
The real world is a place where supporters get disillusioned when they are treated like fools. I will continue to attend games, support the team and support the club but I will have no faith in Power or McCrory unless and until they answer (fully) all the reasonable questions that have been put to them over the past few months and give the team manager the chance to employ his own players and his own tactics. In the meantime, it comes as no surprise that people are voting with their feet and their hard-earned cash.
[quote][p][bold]Cleuso[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]bussy1[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]buckobassettboy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]louiscassius[/bold] wrote: Come on lads, We all waited yesterday thinking, Breaking News Mr X.(Big name) was going to be the new Boss. But, deep in our hearts we knew Mark was the guy. You can't drop 50% of the wages in 5 months and expect it all to be good. I think Yeovil was quite on quite a low range budget, but ask yourselves how long their budget has been that way, quite a few years I should think, run by a guy who's operated under those sorts of conditions for a lot of his managerial career. So, consolidation and mix bag time this season I think, but essential to keep the Club afloat. It's not going to be pretty, we all know that, but thank god it's finally arrived and the speculation can now stop. Lets just see if we get a couple more good players in, in the next 11 days.....Could make all the difference in some cases.... Here's to 2014/15 season being a lot more stable and just generally nice.[/p][/quote]The last line is so appropriate to my current stance-I am staying away with my money in my pocket.Maybe a token gesture-but as far as throwing money into a regime that feeds us ,the fans,continual rhetoric,deceit and contempt beyond belief is something that I will not contemplate.The 2013-2014 season with the view of consolidation?We already know what that means-a veiled excuse for mediocrity which the incumbent board expect to be bankrolled from the turnstiles by the long suffering fans.Lets face it-since the departure of PDC,the arrival and abject failure of KMAC and now the appointment of Cooper,its been awful and generally the posters on here would concur.Having read the unbiased appraisal of the match on Saturday from a number of posters just makes my personal stance more solid.Every last one of the fans will make their own choice and good luck to them.I will follow the Town until I die-for the moment that does not include financial support.[/p][/quote]Well said buckobassettboy. I have watched the town since 1968, but now, like yourself, my money is staying in my pocket. I will not contribute a penny to these clowns running our once great club. This appointment of Cooper was forced on them, no sane person would take the job working under a bunch of amateurs. 12 years ago Swansea fans forced out Mike Lewis. He bought the club for £1 and proceeded to asset strip, selling off all the decent players. Ring any bells? They ousted him just in time to prevent dropping out league football. Until the happy clappers come to their senses, and force out Jed & Co., this club is on a downward spiral.[/p][/quote]So what links Mike Lewis's action to Jed....nothing more than your imagination. The real reason the club no longer wears the "great" tag you crave is that some fans desert it just when it needs support..so yes your actions if replicated by others will lead to the self fulfilling prophesy of a downward spiral, of changing owners, slipping down the league, financial issues , risks of being wound up. If you have been around since 1968 you should realise that. A self sustaining model also requires support from fans too... failure to do that and continue their support, will lead to gaps in budgets, leading to even more reductions in player numbers and quality. Hardly surprising Swansea were struggling back then, fans apathy about supporting the club even before Lewis's involvement had already started the downward spiral which took a long while to turn around....not a couple of years.. many. As I said in my earlier post.....fan desertions over various issues since the premier league season has held back any progress the club has tried to make after a season or two where expectations were raised . Welcome to the real world.[/p][/quote]The real world is a place where supporters get disillusioned when they are treated like fools. I will continue to attend games, support the team and support the club but I will have no faith in Power or McCrory unless and until they answer (fully) all the reasonable questions that have been put to them over the past few months and give the team manager the chance to employ his own players and his own tactics. In the meantime, it comes as no surprise that people are voting with their feet and their hard-earned cash. Oi Den!

1:09pm Tue 20 Aug 13

Another view says...

Can't afford to sack him, and anyway would we get any decent applicants?

That was a comment from a friend from up the A420, but so far Wilder appears to be doing something right this season. Before the cup game against Villa last season one of their fans said to me they were so bad that even playing a team two divisions below them worried him. He did not see how they could survive in the premier league with a load of kids.

Yes it's very early days but both clubs appear to be improving. The following article from the BBC shows that giving a manager time to come through the difficult times pays off more than chopping and changing.

http://www.bbc.co.uk
/news/magazine-23724
517

The story is now legendary about Fergie taking something like 3 years to start getting results at Old Trafford, and of course Di Canio struggled for the first couple of months in a lower division than Cooper is faced with. With the resources the club has I don't think we can expect them to blow our socks off - not this year anyway.
Can't afford to sack him, and anyway would we get any decent applicants? That was a comment from a friend from up the A420, but so far Wilder appears to be doing something right this season. Before the cup game against Villa last season one of their fans said to me they were so bad that even playing a team two divisions below them worried him. He did not see how they could survive in the premier league with a load of kids. Yes it's very early days but both clubs appear to be improving. The following article from the BBC shows that giving a manager time to come through the difficult times pays off more than chopping and changing. http://www.bbc.co.uk /news/magazine-23724 517 The story is now legendary about Fergie taking something like 3 years to start getting results at Old Trafford, and of course Di Canio struggled for the first couple of months in a lower division than Cooper is faced with. With the resources the club has I don't think we can expect them to blow our socks off - not this year anyway. Another view

1:09pm Tue 20 Aug 13

alchafreds says...

LeGod wrote:
So obvious this was going to happen another load of bull from the board that all these other potential managers were lined up as they did with the the Brentford players i get the feeling they think we are idiots as fans and believe everything they tell us.

I've got nothing against Cooper whatsoever but this is so not the right appointment but he is the cheap option and to me that is the reason why we have him.

To Hire a professional is expensive but if you hire an amateur it will cost you even more !!!!!!!!!

Bad move Jed and Mr Power but is MC the lap dog for Mr Power who really picks the team????????????
absolutely sucess comes with a price
peanuts and monkeys.............
..
[quote][p][bold]LeGod[/bold] wrote: So obvious this was going to happen another load of bull from the board that all these other potential managers were lined up as they did with the the Brentford players i get the feeling they think we are idiots as fans and believe everything they tell us. I've got nothing against Cooper whatsoever but this is so not the right appointment but he is the cheap option and to me that is the reason why we have him. To Hire a professional is expensive but if you hire an amateur it will cost you even more !!!!!!!!! Bad move Jed and Mr Power but is MC the lap dog for Mr Power who really picks the team????????????[/p][/quote]absolutely sucess comes with a price peanuts and monkeys............. .. alchafreds

1:11pm Tue 20 Aug 13

Baha exile says...

Cheap option by our **** board.
The big fat gypsy wedding of Del Boy Jed and plonker Cooper has begun.

You get what you pay for, survival in L1 is our best hope.

Just bitterly disappointed as this shows we are really are basement material.
Sacked by Christmas?
Cheap option by our **** board. The big fat gypsy wedding of Del Boy Jed and plonker Cooper has begun. You get what you pay for, survival in L1 is our best hope. Just bitterly disappointed as this shows we are really are basement material. Sacked by Christmas? Baha exile

1:20pm Tue 20 Aug 13

Bassett Hound says...

Baha exile wrote:
Cheap option by our **** board.
The big fat gypsy wedding of Del Boy Jed and plonker Cooper has begun.

You get what you pay for, survival in L1 is our best hope.

Just bitterly disappointed as this shows we are really are basement material.
Sacked by Christmas?
What a complete idiot !
[quote][p][bold]Baha exile[/bold] wrote: Cheap option by our **** board. The big fat gypsy wedding of Del Boy Jed and plonker Cooper has begun. You get what you pay for, survival in L1 is our best hope. Just bitterly disappointed as this shows we are really are basement material. Sacked by Christmas?[/p][/quote]What a complete idiot ! Bassett Hound

1:26pm Tue 20 Aug 13

Davidsyrett says...

welcome aboard MC.

Right behind you & the team.

Let's hope you can make all those miserable g1ts on this forum eat their words.

At least there will be less moaning in the DR stand if they all stay away.

COYMR's
welcome aboard MC. Right behind you & the team. Let's hope you can make all those miserable g1ts on this forum eat their words. At least there will be less moaning in the DR stand if they all stay away. COYMR's Davidsyrett

1:42pm Tue 20 Aug 13

bussy1 says...

Davidsyrett wrote:
welcome aboard MC.

Right behind you & the team.

Let's hope you can make all those miserable g1ts on this forum eat their words.

At least there will be less moaning in the DR stand if they all stay away.

COYMR's
I'd rather be a miserable git than a deluded, brainwashed, numpty. I'm not half as miserable as you'll be in the coming months, as you sit in the DR with your head in your hands.If you are happy with this manager and board be prepared for a reality check in the coming months.
[quote][p][bold]Davidsyrett[/bold] wrote: welcome aboard MC. Right behind you & the team. Let's hope you can make all those miserable g1ts on this forum eat their words. At least there will be less moaning in the DR stand if they all stay away. COYMR's[/p][/quote]I'd rather be a miserable git than a deluded, brainwashed, numpty. I'm not half as miserable as you'll be in the coming months, as you sit in the DR with your head in your hands.If you are happy with this manager and board be prepared for a reality check in the coming months. bussy1

1:42pm Tue 20 Aug 13

alchafreds says...

wake up and smell the coffee do you seriously thinks this is a step in the right direction
wake up and smell the coffee do you seriously thinks this is a step in the right direction alchafreds

1:49pm Tue 20 Aug 13

castle9 says...

Cleuso wrote:
bussy1 wrote:
buckobassettboy wrote:
louiscassius wrote:
Come on lads,

We all waited yesterday thinking, Breaking News Mr X.(Big name) was going to be the new Boss. But, deep in our hearts we knew Mark was the guy.

You can't drop 50% of the wages in 5 months and expect it all to be good.

I think Yeovil was quite on quite a low range budget, but ask yourselves how long their budget has been that way, quite a few years I should think, run by a guy who's operated under those sorts of conditions for a lot of his managerial career.

So, consolidation and mix bag time this season I think, but essential to keep the Club afloat. It's not going to be pretty, we all know that, but thank god it's finally arrived and the speculation can now stop.

Lets just see if we get a couple more good players in, in the next 11 days.....Could make all the difference in some cases....

Here's to 2014/15 season being a lot more stable and just generally nice.
The last line is so appropriate to my current stance-I am staying away with my money in my pocket.Maybe a token gesture-but as far as throwing money into a regime that feeds us ,the fans,continual rhetoric,deceit and contempt beyond belief is something that I will not contemplate.The 2013-2014 season with the view of consolidation?We already know what that means-a veiled excuse for mediocrity which the incumbent board expect to be bankrolled from the turnstiles by the long suffering fans.Lets face it-since the departure of PDC,the arrival and abject failure of KMAC and now the appointment of Cooper,its been awful and generally the posters on here would concur.Having read the unbiased appraisal of the match on Saturday from a number of posters just makes my personal stance more solid.Every last one of the fans will make their own choice and good luck to them.I will follow the Town until I die-for the moment that does not include financial support.
Well said buckobassettboy. I have watched the town since 1968, but now, like yourself, my money is staying in my pocket. I will not contribute a penny to these clowns running our once great club. This appointment of Cooper was forced on them, no sane person would take the job working under a bunch of amateurs.
12 years ago Swansea fans forced out Mike Lewis. He bought the club for £1 and proceeded to asset strip, selling off all the decent players. Ring any bells?
They ousted him just in time to prevent dropping out league football. Until the happy clappers come to their senses, and force out Jed & Co., this club is on a downward spiral.
So what links Mike Lewis's action to Jed....nothing more than your imagination.

The real reason the club no longer wears the "great" tag you crave is that some fans desert it just when it needs support..so yes your actions if replicated by others will lead to the self fulfilling prophesy of a downward spiral, of changing owners, slipping down the league, financial issues , risks of being wound up. If you have been around since 1968 you should realise that.

A self sustaining model also requires support from fans too... failure to do that and continue their support, will lead to gaps in budgets, leading to even more reductions in player numbers and quality.

Hardly surprising Swansea were struggling back then, fans apathy about supporting the club even before Lewis's involvement had already started the downward spiral which took a long while to turn around....not a couple of years.. many. As I said in my earlier post.....fan desertions over various issues since the premier league season has held back any progress the club has tried to make after a season or two where expectations were raised .

Welcome to the real world.
Brilliant comment.
Some on here would do well to take note of your well constructed post.
[quote][p][bold]Cleuso[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]bussy1[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]buckobassettboy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]louiscassius[/bold] wrote: Come on lads, We all waited yesterday thinking, Breaking News Mr X.(Big name) was going to be the new Boss. But, deep in our hearts we knew Mark was the guy. You can't drop 50% of the wages in 5 months and expect it all to be good. I think Yeovil was quite on quite a low range budget, but ask yourselves how long their budget has been that way, quite a few years I should think, run by a guy who's operated under those sorts of conditions for a lot of his managerial career. So, consolidation and mix bag time this season I think, but essential to keep the Club afloat. It's not going to be pretty, we all know that, but thank god it's finally arrived and the speculation can now stop. Lets just see if we get a couple more good players in, in the next 11 days.....Could make all the difference in some cases.... Here's to 2014/15 season being a lot more stable and just generally nice.[/p][/quote]The last line is so appropriate to my current stance-I am staying away with my money in my pocket.Maybe a token gesture-but as far as throwing money into a regime that feeds us ,the fans,continual rhetoric,deceit and contempt beyond belief is something that I will not contemplate.The 2013-2014 season with the view of consolidation?We already know what that means-a veiled excuse for mediocrity which the incumbent board expect to be bankrolled from the turnstiles by the long suffering fans.Lets face it-since the departure of PDC,the arrival and abject failure of KMAC and now the appointment of Cooper,its been awful and generally the posters on here would concur.Having read the unbiased appraisal of the match on Saturday from a number of posters just makes my personal stance more solid.Every last one of the fans will make their own choice and good luck to them.I will follow the Town until I die-for the moment that does not include financial support.[/p][/quote]Well said buckobassettboy. I have watched the town since 1968, but now, like yourself, my money is staying in my pocket. I will not contribute a penny to these clowns running our once great club. This appointment of Cooper was forced on them, no sane person would take the job working under a bunch of amateurs. 12 years ago Swansea fans forced out Mike Lewis. He bought the club for £1 and proceeded to asset strip, selling off all the decent players. Ring any bells? They ousted him just in time to prevent dropping out league football. Until the happy clappers come to their senses, and force out Jed & Co., this club is on a downward spiral.[/p][/quote]So what links Mike Lewis's action to Jed....nothing more than your imagination. The real reason the club no longer wears the "great" tag you crave is that some fans desert it just when it needs support..so yes your actions if replicated by others will lead to the self fulfilling prophesy of a downward spiral, of changing owners, slipping down the league, financial issues , risks of being wound up. If you have been around since 1968 you should realise that. A self sustaining model also requires support from fans too... failure to do that and continue their support, will lead to gaps in budgets, leading to even more reductions in player numbers and quality. Hardly surprising Swansea were struggling back then, fans apathy about supporting the club even before Lewis's involvement had already started the downward spiral which took a long while to turn around....not a couple of years.. many. As I said in my earlier post.....fan desertions over various issues since the premier league season has held back any progress the club has tried to make after a season or two where expectations were raised . Welcome to the real world.[/p][/quote]Brilliant comment. Some on here would do well to take note of your well constructed post. castle9

1:50pm Tue 20 Aug 13

Davidsyrett says...

bussy1 wrote:
Davidsyrett wrote:
welcome aboard MC.

Right behind you & the team.

Let's hope you can make all those miserable g1ts on this forum eat their words.

At least there will be less moaning in the DR stand if they all stay away.

COYMR's
I'd rather be a miserable git than a deluded, brainwashed, numpty. I'm not half as miserable as you'll be in the coming months, as you sit in the DR with your head in your hands.If you are happy with this manager and board be prepared for a reality check in the coming months.
HaHa, if you're happier sitting at home than being at the CG then fair play to you.

Out of interest why not give the team a chance? They might surprise you, go on!!
[quote][p][bold]bussy1[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Davidsyrett[/bold] wrote: welcome aboard MC. Right behind you & the team. Let's hope you can make all those miserable g1ts on this forum eat their words. At least there will be less moaning in the DR stand if they all stay away. COYMR's[/p][/quote]I'd rather be a miserable git than a deluded, brainwashed, numpty. I'm not half as miserable as you'll be in the coming months, as you sit in the DR with your head in your hands.If you are happy with this manager and board be prepared for a reality check in the coming months.[/p][/quote]HaHa, if you're happier sitting at home than being at the CG then fair play to you. Out of interest why not give the team a chance? They might surprise you, go on!! Davidsyrett

1:51pm Tue 20 Aug 13

castle9 says...

Robinonfire wrote:
Cheap manager option again...........L2 HERE WE COME
Have you ever posted a comment that is:

a) Constructive
b) Positive
c) Well thought out and backed up with evidence
d) Longer than one line?

Thought not...
[quote][p][bold]Robinonfire[/bold] wrote: Cheap manager option again...........L2 HERE WE COME[/p][/quote]Have you ever posted a comment that is: a) Constructive b) Positive c) Well thought out and backed up with evidence d) Longer than one line? Thought not... castle9

1:53pm Tue 20 Aug 13

RogerJ1969 says...

EastleazeRed wrote:
I may win on the roundabout Then I'll lose on the swings In or out, there is never a doubt Just who's pulling the strings I'm all tied up in you But where's it leading me to? I wonder if one day that, you'll say that, you care If you say you love me madly, I'll gladly, be there Like a puppet on a string
This is typical of the drivel spouted by so called fans. Some of the posts below are beyond belief. I would hope the current owners steer well clear of this site.
There are notable exceptions and although I'm sure we all have reservations about things we need to get behind the club. This season is undoubtably going to be tough.

Over the last couple of months some of the bile here would surely encourage them that they would be well out of it. Some of the more cluelss posters should try to understand where STFC currently are, that is in recovery mode from a desent into oblivion. Had Jed and his Gang not stepped in we would probably be in lg 2 now with a 30 point deduction. I know a lot of what I have stated is the bleedin obvious but please get real.
[quote][p][bold]EastleazeRed[/bold] wrote: I may win on the roundabout Then I'll lose on the swings In or out, there is never a doubt Just who's pulling the strings I'm all tied up in you But where's it leading me to? I wonder if one day that, you'll say that, you care If you say you love me madly, I'll gladly, be there Like a puppet on a string[/p][/quote]This is typical of the drivel spouted by so called fans. Some of the posts below are beyond belief. I would hope the current owners steer well clear of this site. There are notable exceptions and although I'm sure we all have reservations about things we need to get behind the club. This season is undoubtably going to be tough. Over the last couple of months some of the bile here would surely encourage them that they would be well out of it. Some of the more cluelss posters should try to understand where STFC currently are, that is in recovery mode from a desent into oblivion. Had Jed and his Gang not stepped in we would probably be in lg 2 now with a 30 point deduction. I know a lot of what I have stated is the bleedin obvious but please get real. RogerJ1969

1:55pm Tue 20 Aug 13

Oxon-Red says...

bussy1 wrote:
Oxon-Red wrote:
bussy1 wrote:
buckobassettboy wrote:
louiscassius wrote: Come on lads, We all waited yesterday thinking, Breaking News Mr X.(Big name) was going to be the new Boss. But, deep in our hearts we knew Mark was the guy. You can't drop 50% of the wages in 5 months and expect it all to be good. I think Yeovil was quite on quite a low range budget, but ask yourselves how long their budget has been that way, quite a few years I should think, run by a guy who's operated under those sorts of conditions for a lot of his managerial career. So, consolidation and mix bag time this season I think, but essential to keep the Club afloat. It's not going to be pretty, we all know that, but thank god it's finally arrived and the speculation can now stop. Lets just see if we get a couple more good players in, in the next 11 days.....Could make all the difference in some cases.... Here's to 2014/15 season being a lot more stable and just generally nice.
The last line is so appropriate to my current stance-I am staying away with my money in my pocket.Maybe a token gesture-but as far as throwing money into a regime that feeds us ,the fans,continual rhetoric,deceit and contempt beyond belief is something that I will not contemplate.The 2013-2014 season with the view of consolidation?We already know what that means-a veiled excuse for mediocrity which the incumbent board expect to be bankrolled from the turnstiles by the long suffering fans.Lets face it-since the departure of PDC,the arrival and abject failure of KMAC and now the appointment of Cooper,its been awful and generally the posters on here would concur.Having read the unbiased appraisal of the match on Saturday from a number of posters just makes my personal stance more solid.Every last one of the fans will make their own choice and good luck to them.I will follow the Town until I die-for the moment that does not include financial support.
Well said buckobassettboy. I have watched the town since 1968, but now, like yourself, my money is staying in my pocket. I will not contribute a penny to these clowns running our once great club. This appointment of Cooper was forced on them, no sane person would take the job working under a bunch of amateurs. 12 years ago Swansea fans forced out Mike Lewis. He bought the club for £1 and proceeded to asset strip, selling off all the decent players. Ring any bells? They ousted him just in time to prevent dropping out league football. Until the happy clappers come to their senses, and force out Jed & Co., this club is on a downward spiral.
We have SOLD two players, two, hardly asset stripping. Force out Jed !!! Then what ?????? More substance please and I might listen. COYMR
Your being pedantic Oxon-red. We may have only SOLD two players, but we got rid of many half decent ones.So you don't think getting rid of players on free transfers like Ferry and McCormack Is asset stripping? Force Jed out and then what? Look at Swansea now!
Swansea have done very well but it did not happen in 6 months and there is no guarantee of instant succes with anything.

Is the real problem the lack of money forthcoming from our owners ? Is that why so many have a chip on their shoulder ?

There are new rules governing clubs in our league, we can spend 65% of our income on wages and transfers. Spending over this 65% requires investment from owners who are prepared to hand over large sums. I am not sure if these are loans and are recallable (I would hope not but...)

We have over the last 4/5 seasons had owners that have been prepared to hand over these large sums which have enabled us to attract higher paid (not necessarily always better) players. We have all enjoyed that investment over the last 2 seasons but suddenly it came to an abrupt halt.

What would you have done in February, with no money to pay players ?

The way I look at it is we could have had Jed or Administrators in charge over the summer. Jed is not prepared to invest (and why should he) so we have had to cut the budget to live within the 65%.

Administrators would have done exactly the same but we may have also seen Nathan, Louis, Wes and Storey depart to help pay the debts. We may have a team of journeymen who no one else wants. We may have been in a different league, I don't know.

What I do know is that we were able to play in the play-offs and having lost we are in league 1 still. We are able to bid for and buy players. We may not have a "big name" manager but do they always succeed ? I don't know if Mark will succeed but I am prepared to support him in his attempt.

Did the club make the right decision in January or was there another alternative ?

COYMR
[quote][p][bold]bussy1[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Oxon-Red[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]bussy1[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]buckobassettboy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]louiscassius[/bold] wrote: Come on lads, We all waited yesterday thinking, Breaking News Mr X.(Big name) was going to be the new Boss. But, deep in our hearts we knew Mark was the guy. You can't drop 50% of the wages in 5 months and expect it all to be good. I think Yeovil was quite on quite a low range budget, but ask yourselves how long their budget has been that way, quite a few years I should think, run by a guy who's operated under those sorts of conditions for a lot of his managerial career. So, consolidation and mix bag time this season I think, but essential to keep the Club afloat. It's not going to be pretty, we all know that, but thank god it's finally arrived and the speculation can now stop. Lets just see if we get a couple more good players in, in the next 11 days.....Could make all the difference in some cases.... Here's to 2014/15 season being a lot more stable and just generally nice.[/p][/quote]The last line is so appropriate to my current stance-I am staying away with my money in my pocket.Maybe a token gesture-but as far as throwing money into a regime that feeds us ,the fans,continual rhetoric,deceit and contempt beyond belief is something that I will not contemplate.The 2013-2014 season with the view of consolidation?We already know what that means-a veiled excuse for mediocrity which the incumbent board expect to be bankrolled from the turnstiles by the long suffering fans.Lets face it-since the departure of PDC,the arrival and abject failure of KMAC and now the appointment of Cooper,its been awful and generally the posters on here would concur.Having read the unbiased appraisal of the match on Saturday from a number of posters just makes my personal stance more solid.Every last one of the fans will make their own choice and good luck to them.I will follow the Town until I die-for the moment that does not include financial support.[/p][/quote]Well said buckobassettboy. I have watched the town since 1968, but now, like yourself, my money is staying in my pocket. I will not contribute a penny to these clowns running our once great club. This appointment of Cooper was forced on them, no sane person would take the job working under a bunch of amateurs. 12 years ago Swansea fans forced out Mike Lewis. He bought the club for £1 and proceeded to asset strip, selling off all the decent players. Ring any bells? They ousted him just in time to prevent dropping out league football. Until the happy clappers come to their senses, and force out Jed & Co., this club is on a downward spiral.[/p][/quote]We have SOLD two players, two, hardly asset stripping. Force out Jed !!! Then what ?????? More substance please and I might listen. COYMR[/p][/quote]Your being pedantic Oxon-red. We may have only SOLD two players, but we got rid of many half decent ones.So you don't think getting rid of players on free transfers like Ferry and McCormack Is asset stripping? Force Jed out and then what? Look at Swansea now![/p][/quote]Swansea have done very well but it did not happen in 6 months and there is no guarantee of instant succes with anything. Is the real problem the lack of money forthcoming from our owners ? Is that why so many have a chip on their shoulder ? There are new rules governing clubs in our league, we can spend 65% of our income on wages and transfers. Spending over this 65% requires investment from owners who are prepared to hand over large sums. I am not sure if these are loans and are recallable (I would hope not but...) We have over the last 4/5 seasons had owners that have been prepared to hand over these large sums which have enabled us to attract higher paid (not necessarily always better) players. We have all enjoyed that investment over the last 2 seasons but suddenly it came to an abrupt halt. What would you have done in February, with no money to pay players ? The way I look at it is we could have had Jed or Administrators in charge over the summer. Jed is not prepared to invest (and why should he) so we have had to cut the budget to live within the 65%. Administrators would have done exactly the same but we may have also seen Nathan, Louis, Wes and Storey depart to help pay the debts. We may have a team of journeymen who no one else wants. We may have been in a different league, I don't know. What I do know is that we were able to play in the play-offs and having lost we are in league 1 still. We are able to bid for and buy players. We may not have a "big name" manager but do they always succeed ? I don't know if Mark will succeed but I am prepared to support him in his attempt. Did the club make the right decision in January or was there another alternative ? COYMR Oxon-Red

2:03pm Tue 20 Aug 13

bussy1 says...

castle9 wrote:
Cleuso wrote:
bussy1 wrote:
buckobassettboy wrote:
louiscassius wrote:
Come on lads,

We all waited yesterday thinking, Breaking News Mr X.(Big name) was going to be the new Boss. But, deep in our hearts we knew Mark was the guy.

You can't drop 50% of the wages in 5 months and expect it all to be good.

I think Yeovil was quite on quite a low range budget, but ask yourselves how long their budget has been that way, quite a few years I should think, run by a guy who's operated under those sorts of conditions for a lot of his managerial career.

So, consolidation and mix bag time this season I think, but essential to keep the Club afloat. It's not going to be pretty, we all know that, but thank god it's finally arrived and the speculation can now stop.

Lets just see if we get a couple more good players in, in the next 11 days.....Could make all the difference in some cases....

Here's to 2014/15 season being a lot more stable and just generally nice.
The last line is so appropriate to my current stance-I am staying away with my money in my pocket.Maybe a token gesture-but as far as throwing money into a regime that feeds us ,the fans,continual rhetoric,deceit and contempt beyond belief is something that I will not contemplate.The 2013-2014 season with the view of consolidation?We already know what that means-a veiled excuse for mediocrity which the incumbent board expect to be bankrolled from the turnstiles by the long suffering fans.Lets face it-since the departure of PDC,the arrival and abject failure of KMAC and now the appointment of Cooper,its been awful and generally the posters on here would concur.Having read the unbiased appraisal of the match on Saturday from a number of posters just makes my personal stance more solid.Every last one of the fans will make their own choice and good luck to them.I will follow the Town until I die-for the moment that does not include financial support.
Well said buckobassettboy. I have watched the town since 1968, but now, like yourself, my money is staying in my pocket. I will not contribute a penny to these clowns running our once great club. This appointment of Cooper was forced on them, no sane person would take the job working under a bunch of amateurs.
12 years ago Swansea fans forced out Mike Lewis. He bought the club for £1 and proceeded to asset strip, selling off all the decent players. Ring any bells?
They ousted him just in time to prevent dropping out league football. Until the happy clappers come to their senses, and force out Jed & Co., this club is on a downward spiral.
So what links Mike Lewis's action to Jed....nothing more than your imagination.

The real reason the club no longer wears the "great" tag you crave is that some fans desert it just when it needs support..so yes your actions if replicated by others will lead to the self fulfilling prophesy of a downward spiral, of changing owners, slipping down the league, financial issues , risks of being wound up. If you have been around since 1968 you should realise that.

A self sustaining model also requires support from fans too... failure to do that and continue their support, will lead to gaps in budgets, leading to even more reductions in player numbers and quality.

Hardly surprising Swansea were struggling back then, fans apathy about supporting the club even before Lewis's involvement had already started the downward spiral which took a long while to turn around....not a couple of years.. many. As I said in my earlier post.....fan desertions over various issues since the premier league season has held back any progress the club has tried to make after a season or two where expectations were raised .

Welcome to the real world.
Brilliant comment.
Some on here would do well to take note of your well constructed post.
What links Mike Lewis and Jed? Both took control of clubs for next to nothing, and proceeded to sell players. It's fact, not my imagination. I used the word "great" as in, a club you could be proud of, not necessarily successful every year, but safe in the knowledge it was being run by professionals who were who had the fans best interests at heart. That has not the been the case for the last few months.
[quote][p][bold]castle9[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Cleuso[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]bussy1[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]buckobassettboy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]louiscassius[/bold] wrote: Come on lads, We all waited yesterday thinking, Breaking News Mr X.(Big name) was going to be the new Boss. But, deep in our hearts we knew Mark was the guy. You can't drop 50% of the wages in 5 months and expect it all to be good. I think Yeovil was quite on quite a low range budget, but ask yourselves how long their budget has been that way, quite a few years I should think, run by a guy who's operated under those sorts of conditions for a lot of his managerial career. So, consolidation and mix bag time this season I think, but essential to keep the Club afloat. It's not going to be pretty, we all know that, but thank god it's finally arrived and the speculation can now stop. Lets just see if we get a couple more good players in, in the next 11 days.....Could make all the difference in some cases.... Here's to 2014/15 season being a lot more stable and just generally nice.[/p][/quote]The last line is so appropriate to my current stance-I am staying away with my money in my pocket.Maybe a token gesture-but as far as throwing money into a regime that feeds us ,the fans,continual rhetoric,deceit and contempt beyond belief is something that I will not contemplate.The 2013-2014 season with the view of consolidation?We already know what that means-a veiled excuse for mediocrity which the incumbent board expect to be bankrolled from the turnstiles by the long suffering fans.Lets face it-since the departure of PDC,the arrival and abject failure of KMAC and now the appointment of Cooper,its been awful and generally the posters on here would concur.Having read the unbiased appraisal of the match on Saturday from a number of posters just makes my personal stance more solid.Every last one of the fans will make their own choice and good luck to them.I will follow the Town until I die-for the moment that does not include financial support.[/p][/quote]Well said buckobassettboy. I have watched the town since 1968, but now, like yourself, my money is staying in my pocket. I will not contribute a penny to these clowns running our once great club. This appointment of Cooper was forced on them, no sane person would take the job working under a bunch of amateurs. 12 years ago Swansea fans forced out Mike Lewis. He bought the club for £1 and proceeded to asset strip, selling off all the decent players. Ring any bells? They ousted him just in time to prevent dropping out league football. Until the happy clappers come to their senses, and force out Jed & Co., this club is on a downward spiral.[/p][/quote]So what links Mike Lewis's action to Jed....nothing more than your imagination. The real reason the club no longer wears the "great" tag you crave is that some fans desert it just when it needs support..so yes your actions if replicated by others will lead to the self fulfilling prophesy of a downward spiral, of changing owners, slipping down the league, financial issues , risks of being wound up. If you have been around since 1968 you should realise that. A self sustaining model also requires support from fans too... failure to do that and continue their support, will lead to gaps in budgets, leading to even more reductions in player numbers and quality. Hardly surprising Swansea were struggling back then, fans apathy about supporting the club even before Lewis's involvement had already started the downward spiral which took a long while to turn around....not a couple of years.. many. As I said in my earlier post.....fan desertions over various issues since the premier league season has held back any progress the club has tried to make after a season or two where expectations were raised . Welcome to the real world.[/p][/quote]Brilliant comment. Some on here would do well to take note of your well constructed post.[/p][/quote]What links Mike Lewis and Jed? Both took control of clubs for next to nothing, and proceeded to sell players. It's fact, not my imagination. I used the word "great" as in, a club you could be proud of, not necessarily successful every year, but safe in the knowledge it was being run by professionals who were who had the fans best interests at heart. That has not the been the case for the last few months. bussy1

2:10pm Tue 20 Aug 13

the wizard says...

Davidsyrett wrote:
welcome aboard MC.

Right behind you & the team.

Let's hope you can make all those miserable g1ts on this forum eat their words.

At least there will be less moaning in the DR stand if they all stay away.

COYMR's
Spot on Dave, the guy has hardly had a chance, and we had a bad one on Saturday, chances are we will have a few more and that is the price the club are paying for quick withdrawl Black and not so matey Patey.

I do feel the guy had little input to the playing staff, that all being done by Power, so that leaves Cooper between a rock and a hard place, not an enviable position. I really don't know who people thought was going to realistically appear, at least he has managerial experience so hopefully he has learned from his past mistakes. With a low budget who was going to come here ?? Time for people to accept our position, the only thing that needs to be done is for the club to admit that Power is pulling the strings and despite the job title Cooper is in effect the team coach.
[quote][p][bold]Davidsyrett[/bold] wrote: welcome aboard MC. Right behind you & the team. Let's hope you can make all those miserable g1ts on this forum eat their words. At least there will be less moaning in the DR stand if they all stay away. COYMR's[/p][/quote]Spot on Dave, the guy has hardly had a chance, and we had a bad one on Saturday, chances are we will have a few more and that is the price the club are paying for quick withdrawl Black and not so matey Patey. I do feel the guy had little input to the playing staff, that all being done by Power, so that leaves Cooper between a rock and a hard place, not an enviable position. I really don't know who people thought was going to realistically appear, at least he has managerial experience so hopefully he has learned from his past mistakes. With a low budget who was going to come here ?? Time for people to accept our position, the only thing that needs to be done is for the club to admit that Power is pulling the strings and despite the job title Cooper is in effect the team coach. the wizard

2:14pm Tue 20 Aug 13

alchafreds says...

the wizard wrote:
Davidsyrett wrote:
welcome aboard MC.

Right behind you & the team.

Let's hope you can make all those miserable g1ts on this forum eat their words.

At least there will be less moaning in the DR stand if they all stay away.

COYMR's
Spot on Dave, the guy has hardly had a chance, and we had a bad one on Saturday, chances are we will have a few more and that is the price the club are paying for quick withdrawl Black and not so matey Patey.

I do feel the guy had little input to the playing staff, that all being done by Power, so that leaves Cooper between a rock and a hard place, not an enviable position. I really don't know who people thought was going to realistically appear, at least he has managerial experience so hopefully he has learned from his past mistakes. With a low budget who was going to come here ?? Time for people to accept our position, the only thing that needs to be done is for the club to admit that Power is pulling the strings and despite the job title Cooper is in effect the team coach.
as he was tail end of last season, when it all started to go downhill
[quote][p][bold]the wizard[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Davidsyrett[/bold] wrote: welcome aboard MC. Right behind you & the team. Let's hope you can make all those miserable g1ts on this forum eat their words. At least there will be less moaning in the DR stand if they all stay away. COYMR's[/p][/quote]Spot on Dave, the guy has hardly had a chance, and we had a bad one on Saturday, chances are we will have a few more and that is the price the club are paying for quick withdrawl Black and not so matey Patey. I do feel the guy had little input to the playing staff, that all being done by Power, so that leaves Cooper between a rock and a hard place, not an enviable position. I really don't know who people thought was going to realistically appear, at least he has managerial experience so hopefully he has learned from his past mistakes. With a low budget who was going to come here ?? Time for people to accept our position, the only thing that needs to be done is for the club to admit that Power is pulling the strings and despite the job title Cooper is in effect the team coach.[/p][/quote]as he was tail end of last season, when it all started to go downhill alchafreds

2:20pm Tue 20 Aug 13

RogerJ1969 says...

Whilst I think most are assuming MC has the job is it possible the delay is due to someone else being offered it?
You would think that if the meeting yesterday morning had been to rubber stamp MC's appointment an announcement would have been made quick and easy.
Am I reading too much into the delay or are we to be suprised as we were with the Ranger signing?
Whilst I think most are assuming MC has the job is it possible the delay is due to someone else being offered it? You would think that if the meeting yesterday morning had been to rubber stamp MC's appointment an announcement would have been made quick and easy. Am I reading too much into the delay or are we to be suprised as we were with the Ranger signing? RogerJ1969

2:26pm Tue 20 Aug 13

bussy1 says...

Davidsyrett wrote:
bussy1 wrote:
Davidsyrett wrote:
welcome aboard MC.

Right behind you & the team.

Let's hope you can make all those miserable g1ts on this forum eat their words.

At least there will be less moaning in the DR stand if they all stay away.

COYMR's
I'd rather be a miserable git than a deluded, brainwashed, numpty. I'm not half as miserable as you'll be in the coming months, as you sit in the DR with your head in your hands.If you are happy with this manager and board be prepared for a reality check in the coming months.
HaHa, if you're happier sitting at home than being at the CG then fair play to you.

Out of interest why not give the team a chance? They might surprise you, go on!!
As I said earlier , i have been watching the town since 1968, but I will not support the club with the present owners in charge. They have taken the fans for mugs. How can you have a man who lives in Switzerland as director of football operations, when he is only allowed in the country for 90 days a year. How can he watch matches and decide on transfer targets? Managers should identify what players they want, and that's why were stuck with Cooper, no-one else would take the job.
[quote][p][bold]Davidsyrett[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]bussy1[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Davidsyrett[/bold] wrote: welcome aboard MC. Right behind you & the team. Let's hope you can make all those miserable g1ts on this forum eat their words. At least there will be less moaning in the DR stand if they all stay away. COYMR's[/p][/quote]I'd rather be a miserable git than a deluded, brainwashed, numpty. I'm not half as miserable as you'll be in the coming months, as you sit in the DR with your head in your hands.If you are happy with this manager and board be prepared for a reality check in the coming months.[/p][/quote]HaHa, if you're happier sitting at home than being at the CG then fair play to you. Out of interest why not give the team a chance? They might surprise you, go on!![/p][/quote]As I said earlier , i have been watching the town since 1968, but I will not support the club with the present owners in charge. They have taken the fans for mugs. How can you have a man who lives in Switzerland as director of football operations, when he is only allowed in the country for 90 days a year. How can he watch matches and decide on transfer targets? Managers should identify what players they want, and that's why were stuck with Cooper, no-one else would take the job. bussy1

2:30pm Tue 20 Aug 13

bussy1 says...

RogerJ1969 wrote:
Whilst I think most are assuming MC has the job is it possible the delay is due to someone else being offered it?
You would think that if the meeting yesterday morning had been to rubber stamp MC's appointment an announcement would have been made quick and easy.
Am I reading too much into the delay or are we to be suprised as we were with the Ranger signing?
Roger, your surprised in a delay in an announcement from Jed & Co. What planet have you been living on for the last 6 months!!
[quote][p][bold]RogerJ1969[/bold] wrote: Whilst I think most are assuming MC has the job is it possible the delay is due to someone else being offered it? You would think that if the meeting yesterday morning had been to rubber stamp MC's appointment an announcement would have been made quick and easy. Am I reading too much into the delay or are we to be suprised as we were with the Ranger signing?[/p][/quote]Roger, your surprised in a delay in an announcement from Jed & Co. What planet have you been living on for the last 6 months!! bussy1

2:34pm Tue 20 Aug 13

stfc4ever!! says...

bussy1 wrote:
castle9 wrote:
Cleuso wrote:
bussy1 wrote:
buckobassettboy wrote:
louiscassius wrote: Come on lads, We all waited yesterday thinking, Breaking News Mr X.(Big name) was going to be the new Boss. But, deep in our hearts we knew Mark was the guy. You can't drop 50% of the wages in 5 months and expect it all to be good. I think Yeovil was quite on quite a low range budget, but ask yourselves how long their budget has been that way, quite a few years I should think, run by a guy who's operated under those sorts of conditions for a lot of his managerial career. So, consolidation and mix bag time this season I think, but essential to keep the Club afloat. It's not going to be pretty, we all know that, but thank god it's finally arrived and the speculation can now stop. Lets just see if we get a couple more good players in, in the next 11 days.....Could make all the difference in some cases.... Here's to 2014/15 season being a lot more stable and just generally nice.
The last line is so appropriate to my current stance-I am staying away with my money in my pocket.Maybe a token gesture-but as far as throwing money into a regime that feeds us ,the fans,continual rhetoric,deceit and contempt beyond belief is something that I will not contemplate.The 2013-2014 season with the view of consolidation?We already know what that means-a veiled excuse for mediocrity which the incumbent board expect to be bankrolled from the turnstiles by the long suffering fans.Lets face it-since the departure of PDC,the arrival and abject failure of KMAC and now the appointment of Cooper,its been awful and generally the posters on here would concur.Having read the unbiased appraisal of the match on Saturday from a number of posters just makes my personal stance more solid.Every last one of the fans will make their own choice and good luck to them.I will follow the Town until I die-for the moment that does not include financial support.
Well said buckobassettboy. I have watched the town since 1968, but now, like yourself, my money is staying in my pocket. I will not contribute a penny to these clowns running our once great club. This appointment of Cooper was forced on them, no sane person would take the job working under a bunch of amateurs. 12 years ago Swansea fans forced out Mike Lewis. He bought the club for £1 and proceeded to asset strip, selling off all the decent players. Ring any bells? They ousted him just in time to prevent dropping out league football. Until the happy clappers come to their senses, and force out Jed & Co., this club is on a downward spiral.
So what links Mike Lewis's action to Jed....nothing more than your imagination. The real reason the club no longer wears the "great" tag you crave is that some fans desert it just when it needs support..so yes your actions if replicated by others will lead to the self fulfilling prophesy of a downward spiral, of changing owners, slipping down the league, financial issues , risks of being wound up. If you have been around since 1968 you should realise that. A self sustaining model also requires support from fans too... failure to do that and continue their support, will lead to gaps in budgets, leading to even more reductions in player numbers and quality. Hardly surprising Swansea were struggling back then, fans apathy about supporting the club even before Lewis's involvement had already started the downward spiral which took a long while to turn around....not a couple of years.. many. As I said in my earlier post.....fan desertions over various issues since the premier league season has held back any progress the club has tried to make after a season or two where expectations were raised . Welcome to the real world.
Brilliant comment. Some on here would do well to take note of your well constructed post.
What links Mike Lewis and Jed? Both took control of clubs for next to nothing, and proceeded to sell players. It's fact, not my imagination. I used the word "great" as in, a club you could be proud of, not necessarily successful every year, but safe in the knowledge it was being run by professionals who were who had the fans best interests at heart. That has not the been the case for the last few months.
Few months? Long as I can remember Swindon have been beset by financial problems including un paid tax bills and being in administration twice. If you believe that the people who were running the club at the time aka Willie Carson etc had the 'fans best interests at heart' you are the one who is seriously deluded. Now we finally have a chairman in place who is set on making this club sustainable and financially sound and still you moan.
[quote][p][bold]bussy1[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]castle9[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Cleuso[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]bussy1[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]buckobassettboy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]louiscassius[/bold] wrote: Come on lads, We all waited yesterday thinking, Breaking News Mr X.(Big name) was going to be the new Boss. But, deep in our hearts we knew Mark was the guy. You can't drop 50% of the wages in 5 months and expect it all to be good. I think Yeovil was quite on quite a low range budget, but ask yourselves how long their budget has been that way, quite a few years I should think, run by a guy who's operated under those sorts of conditions for a lot of his managerial career. So, consolidation and mix bag time this season I think, but essential to keep the Club afloat. It's not going to be pretty, we all know that, but thank god it's finally arrived and the speculation can now stop. Lets just see if we get a couple more good players in, in the next 11 days.....Could make all the difference in some cases.... Here's to 2014/15 season being a lot more stable and just generally nice.[/p][/quote]The last line is so appropriate to my current stance-I am staying away with my money in my pocket.Maybe a token gesture-but as far as throwing money into a regime that feeds us ,the fans,continual rhetoric,deceit and contempt beyond belief is something that I will not contemplate.The 2013-2014 season with the view of consolidation?We already know what that means-a veiled excuse for mediocrity which the incumbent board expect to be bankrolled from the turnstiles by the long suffering fans.Lets face it-since the departure of PDC,the arrival and abject failure of KMAC and now the appointment of Cooper,its been awful and generally the posters on here would concur.Having read the unbiased appraisal of the match on Saturday from a number of posters just makes my personal stance more solid.Every last one of the fans will make their own choice and good luck to them.I will follow the Town until I die-for the moment that does not include financial support.[/p][/quote]Well said buckobassettboy. I have watched the town since 1968, but now, like yourself, my money is staying in my pocket. I will not contribute a penny to these clowns running our once great club. This appointment of Cooper was forced on them, no sane person would take the job working under a bunch of amateurs. 12 years ago Swansea fans forced out Mike Lewis. He bought the club for £1 and proceeded to asset strip, selling off all the decent players. Ring any bells? They ousted him just in time to prevent dropping out league football. Until the happy clappers come to their senses, and force out Jed & Co., this club is on a downward spiral.[/p][/quote]So what links Mike Lewis's action to Jed....nothing more than your imagination. The real reason the club no longer wears the "great" tag you crave is that some fans desert it just when it needs support..so yes your actions if replicated by others will lead to the self fulfilling prophesy of a downward spiral, of changing owners, slipping down the league, financial issues , risks of being wound up. If you have been around since 1968 you should realise that. A self sustaining model also requires support from fans too... failure to do that and continue their support, will lead to gaps in budgets, leading to even more reductions in player numbers and quality. Hardly surprising Swansea were struggling back then, fans apathy about supporting the club even before Lewis's involvement had already started the downward spiral which took a long while to turn around....not a couple of years.. many. As I said in my earlier post.....fan desertions over various issues since the premier league season has held back any progress the club has tried to make after a season or two where expectations were raised . Welcome to the real world.[/p][/quote]Brilliant comment. Some on here would do well to take note of your well constructed post.[/p][/quote]What links Mike Lewis and Jed? Both took control of clubs for next to nothing, and proceeded to sell players. It's fact, not my imagination. I used the word "great" as in, a club you could be proud of, not necessarily successful every year, but safe in the knowledge it was being run by professionals who were who had the fans best interests at heart. That has not the been the case for the last few months.[/p][/quote]Few months? Long as I can remember Swindon have been beset by financial problems including un paid tax bills and being in administration twice. If you believe that the people who were running the club at the time aka Willie Carson etc had the 'fans best interests at heart' you are the one who is seriously deluded. Now we finally have a chairman in place who is set on making this club sustainable and financially sound and still you moan. stfc4ever!!

2:35pm Tue 20 Aug 13

the wizard says...

alchafreds wrote:
the wizard wrote:
Davidsyrett wrote:
welcome aboard MC.

Right behind you & the team.

Let's hope you can make all those miserable g1ts on this forum eat their words.

At least there will be less moaning in the DR stand if they all stay away.

COYMR's
Spot on Dave, the guy has hardly had a chance, and we had a bad one on Saturday, chances are we will have a few more and that is the price the club are paying for quick withdrawl Black and not so matey Patey.

I do feel the guy had little input to the playing staff, that all being done by Power, so that leaves Cooper between a rock and a hard place, not an enviable position. I really don't know who people thought was going to realistically appear, at least he has managerial experience so hopefully he has learned from his past mistakes. With a low budget who was going to come here ?? Time for people to accept our position, the only thing that needs to be done is for the club to admit that Power is pulling the strings and despite the job title Cooper is in effect the team coach.
as he was tail end of last season, when it all started to go downhill
Completely different team now to then and add to that Cooper was not in charge then Kmac was. The writing was already on the wall the minute Hollands and Martin's loan's ended. PDC wanted another three in to prop up a side that was never as good in its own right without loan players added as many thought. He had his money and spent it all, and then some, quote from Nick Watkins. We are now back to functioning on a realistic budget, this means we have players here that are this level, not experienced guys coming in from leagues above, novices maybe. Cooper is not the one to be griping at, if you have issues then take them up with Jed and Power, lay the blame at the feet of the offenders, not a guy who is being stitched up worse than a kipper.
[quote][p][bold]alchafreds[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]the wizard[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Davidsyrett[/bold] wrote: welcome aboard MC. Right behind you & the team. Let's hope you can make all those miserable g1ts on this forum eat their words. At least there will be less moaning in the DR stand if they all stay away. COYMR's[/p][/quote]Spot on Dave, the guy has hardly had a chance, and we had a bad one on Saturday, chances are we will have a few more and that is the price the club are paying for quick withdrawl Black and not so matey Patey. I do feel the guy had little input to the playing staff, that all being done by Power, so that leaves Cooper between a rock and a hard place, not an enviable position. I really don't know who people thought was going to realistically appear, at least he has managerial experience so hopefully he has learned from his past mistakes. With a low budget who was going to come here ?? Time for people to accept our position, the only thing that needs to be done is for the club to admit that Power is pulling the strings and despite the job title Cooper is in effect the team coach.[/p][/quote]as he was tail end of last season, when it all started to go downhill[/p][/quote]Completely different team now to then and add to that Cooper was not in charge then Kmac was. The writing was already on the wall the minute Hollands and Martin's loan's ended. PDC wanted another three in to prop up a side that was never as good in its own right without loan players added as many thought. He had his money and spent it all, and then some, quote from Nick Watkins. We are now back to functioning on a realistic budget, this means we have players here that are this level, not experienced guys coming in from leagues above, novices maybe. Cooper is not the one to be griping at, if you have issues then take them up with Jed and Power, lay the blame at the feet of the offenders, not a guy who is being stitched up worse than a kipper. the wizard

2:38pm Tue 20 Aug 13

wobble-o-3 says...

Good Luck to MC, he is going to need it.

Whether he is the boards puppet or not, one thing remains very clear. Never I have ever known a board to polarize the fans opinions as much as this one.

I have to say personally I don't like they way they are running the club, which may be with all the best intentions. For instance:

The lack of proper communication - not just tit bits from Jeds personal twitter - that is not a professional way to communicate with your clients. Perhaps if the club communicated in a professional manner, this forum wouldn't be so negative and thus stop "potential investors from investing" - Really!

Becoming a feeder club for Spurs - by all means take some of their players on loan - but to HAVE to play and train in a certain way and be overseen by their coaches - how is that good for OUR clubs development? IF this is true then I am not sure how many managers WOULD have taken the job. If this style of football fails in this league for whatever reason, when and if do we change or do Spurs throw us to wall and let us go down before we change it? A club not in charge of its on-field destiny !!

Again, if this is complete tosh, then why not come out and say so, and rubbish the Daily Mail story. To me, the silence speaks volumes. Why has this not been investigated or at least written up by the adver is beyond me? After all STFC is a community based club, and the adver a community paper?!

It seems like the board have gone at it like a bull in a china shop, Season Tickets changed. Food outlets changed. Concerts - ill conceived. Squad almost completely unrecognizable from last season. All in the space of the close season. The pace of change has been too fast and poorly communicated.

I have no doubt that the wages bill needed to be cut, and the squad trimmed, but allow a manager the decency of getting in players who he thinks we get us out of this division. I am sure the board believe they can do a better job of it, and I suspect they are right, because if we don't improve and quickly, we will be out of this division but not heading in the right direction.

Like I said, good luck to MC, he and the team (notice I didn't his) will have my full support, win, lose or draw. But I am sorry, but I just can't give my support to the board, unless they radically change how they communicate to the fans about how they run this club, after all this is a business and they need OUR money.
Good Luck to MC, he is going to need it. Whether he is the boards puppet or not, one thing remains very clear. Never I have ever known a board to polarize the fans opinions as much as this one. I have to say personally I don't like they way they are running the club, which may be with all the best intentions. For instance: The lack of proper communication - not just tit bits from Jeds personal twitter - that is not a professional way to communicate with your clients. Perhaps if the club communicated in a professional manner, this forum wouldn't be so negative and thus stop "potential investors from investing" - Really! Becoming a feeder club for Spurs - by all means take some of their players on loan - but to HAVE to play and train in a certain way and be overseen by their coaches - how is that good for OUR clubs development? IF this is true then I am not sure how many managers WOULD have taken the job. If this style of football fails in this league for whatever reason, when and if do we change or do Spurs throw us to wall and let us go down before we change it? A club not in charge of its on-field destiny !! Again, if this is complete tosh, then why not come out and say so, and rubbish the Daily Mail story. To me, the silence speaks volumes. Why has this not been investigated or at least written up by the adver is beyond me? After all STFC is a community based club, and the adver a community paper?! It seems like the board have gone at it like a bull in a china shop, Season Tickets changed. Food outlets changed. Concerts - ill conceived. Squad almost completely unrecognizable from last season. All in the space of the close season. The pace of change has been too fast and poorly communicated. I have no doubt that the wages bill needed to be cut, and the squad trimmed, but allow a manager the decency of getting in players who he thinks we get us out of this division. I am sure the board believe they can do a better job of it, and I suspect they are right, because if we don't improve and quickly, we will be out of this division but not heading in the right direction. Like I said, good luck to MC, he and the team (notice I didn't his) will have my full support, win, lose or draw. But I am sorry, but I just can't give my support to the board, unless they radically change how they communicate to the fans about how they run this club, after all this is a business and they need OUR money. wobble-o-3

2:42pm Tue 20 Aug 13

AdderB says...

For Oxon. Apologies if my peanuts comment offended you . But I am talking about Football and nothing else because this is a Football thread and nothing to do with Politics .
By the way , I am still a season ticket holder mainly because I thought Town were going to be successful under PDC . The team was fit and very competetive . We have cut the wage bill for sure , but going back to Div2 is not a great prospect You only have to see that Bristol Rovers and Oxford have been stuck in that league probably because they can not generate enough income via Gate reciepts to get decent players in the team.
For Oxon. Apologies if my peanuts comment offended you . But I am talking about Football and nothing else because this is a Football thread and nothing to do with Politics . By the way , I am still a season ticket holder mainly because I thought Town were going to be successful under PDC . The team was fit and very competetive . We have cut the wage bill for sure , but going back to Div2 is not a great prospect You only have to see that Bristol Rovers and Oxford have been stuck in that league probably because they can not generate enough income via Gate reciepts to get decent players in the team. AdderB

2:42pm Tue 20 Aug 13

Blazing Riff says...

I see that Hope Powell has been sacked after 15 years managing England Ladies. Is she 'the one', the one they've been 'hoping' for and hence the delay!
I see that Hope Powell has been sacked after 15 years managing England Ladies. Is she 'the one', the one they've been 'hoping' for and hence the delay! Blazing Riff

2:43pm Tue 20 Aug 13

alchafreds says...

if cooper believes he is being stitched up maybe he should grow a pair and walk
if cooper believes he is being stitched up maybe he should grow a pair and walk alchafreds

2:44pm Tue 20 Aug 13

6degreessouth says...

I will give super trooper 100% backing but not my choice, thought we should have had someone experienced.

QUESTION;

Does any have any Idea what our approximate wage (playing) bill is now? London Red any Idea?
I will give super trooper 100% backing but not my choice, thought we should have had someone experienced. QUESTION; Does any have any Idea what our approximate wage (playing) bill is now? London Red any Idea? 6degreessouth

2:44pm Tue 20 Aug 13

chrystovski says...

We've had lots of different managers in the past

Inexperienced - PDC, Malpas, Hoddle, K-MAC, Macari, Gorman, Iffy, Quinn, McMahon, King
Experienced - Evans, Wilson, Todd, Hart, Sturrock

All have had different levels of success at Town. If you appoint a big name the chances are they leave after a season or two, if you appoint someone who's been around the block a few times it's usually because they've been sacked at numerous clubs they've been at. If you appoint someone with little experience the board have gone for the cheap option. The board really can't win.

I am not blown away by the appointment but I think Cooper deserves a couple of seasons to see what he can do.

We should all get behind Cooper and roar them onto 3 points against the pikeys on Saturday. Septembers going to be a tough month so Saturday could be vital for our season.
We've had lots of different managers in the past Inexperienced - PDC, Malpas, Hoddle, K-MAC, Macari, Gorman, Iffy, Quinn, McMahon, King Experienced - Evans, Wilson, Todd, Hart, Sturrock All have had different levels of success at Town. If you appoint a big name the chances are they leave after a season or two, if you appoint someone who's been around the block a few times it's usually because they've been sacked at numerous clubs they've been at. If you appoint someone with little experience the board have gone for the cheap option. The board really can't win. I am not blown away by the appointment but I think Cooper deserves a couple of seasons to see what he can do. We should all get behind Cooper and roar them onto 3 points against the pikeys on Saturday. Septembers going to be a tough month so Saturday could be vital for our season. chrystovski

2:59pm Tue 20 Aug 13

Is that you Lovesey says...

There are a couple of football questions I would like to know...

Why we are playing Pompey in a closed doors friendly, is this to trial some players,?
Are we not risking injuries if we play this game?
How is the injury to Mason, is he on the mend, when will he be back?
Any truth in the Jake Jervis rumour?
There are a couple of football questions I would like to know... Why we are playing Pompey in a closed doors friendly, is this to trial some players,? Are we not risking injuries if we play this game? How is the injury to Mason, is he on the mend, when will he be back? Any truth in the Jake Jervis rumour? Is that you Lovesey

3:13pm Tue 20 Aug 13

smirg kcab says...

We want cooper out say we want cooper out,
You don't know what your doing.

Before today I had every faith in jed and lee, you have now disgraced us now by appointing this fool,
After all the fans removed Wilson,hart,McDonald with the abuse
Onwards to the conference.
Don't forget as paying fans you are entitled to have a voice on Saturday.
Louder the better
Perhaps ian brady could be our number 2 now.
We want cooper out say we want cooper out, You don't know what your doing. Before today I had every faith in jed and lee, you have now disgraced us now by appointing this fool, After all the fans removed Wilson,hart,McDonald with the abuse Onwards to the conference. Don't forget as paying fans you are entitled to have a voice on Saturday. Louder the better Perhaps ian brady could be our number 2 now. smirg kcab

3:16pm Tue 20 Aug 13

alanevery says...

Lets be honest the club is in trouble whomever we have as manager. Cooper may do a great job, he may not, but he is always gonna be p1$$ing into the wind with the current board
Lets be honest the club is in trouble whomever we have as manager. Cooper may do a great job, he may not, but he is always gonna be p1$$ing into the wind with the current board alanevery

3:17pm Tue 20 Aug 13

Oxon-Red says...

AdderB wrote:
For Oxon. Apologies if my peanuts comment offended you . But I am talking about Football and nothing else because this is a Football thread and nothing to do with Politics . By the way , I am still a season ticket holder mainly because I thought Town were going to be successful under PDC . The team was fit and very competetive . We have cut the wage bill for sure , but going back to Div2 is not a great prospect You only have to see that Bristol Rovers and Oxford have been stuck in that league probably because they can not generate enough income via Gate reciepts to get decent players in the team.
No worries Adder I just find the expression tasteless regardless of the occupation. It's a bit like the "I wouldn't get out of bed for less than" which demeans those that work hard for far less.

COYMR
[quote][p][bold]AdderB[/bold] wrote: For Oxon. Apologies if my peanuts comment offended you . But I am talking about Football and nothing else because this is a Football thread and nothing to do with Politics . By the way , I am still a season ticket holder mainly because I thought Town were going to be successful under PDC . The team was fit and very competetive . We have cut the wage bill for sure , but going back to Div2 is not a great prospect You only have to see that Bristol Rovers and Oxford have been stuck in that league probably because they can not generate enough income via Gate reciepts to get decent players in the team.[/p][/quote]No worries Adder I just find the expression tasteless regardless of the occupation. It's a bit like the "I wouldn't get out of bed for less than" which demeans those that work hard for far less. COYMR Oxon-Red

3:19pm Tue 20 Aug 13

jamesturner says...

wobble-o-3 wrote:
Good Luck to MC, he is going to need it.

Whether he is the boards puppet or not, one thing remains very clear. Never I have ever known a board to polarize the fans opinions as much as this one.

I have to say personally I don't like they way they are running the club, which may be with all the best intentions. For instance:

The lack of proper communication - not just tit bits from Jeds personal twitter - that is not a professional way to communicate with your clients. Perhaps if the club communicated in a professional manner, this forum wouldn't be so negative and thus stop "potential investors from investing" - Really!

Becoming a feeder club for Spurs - by all means take some of their players on loan - but to HAVE to play and train in a certain way and be overseen by their coaches - how is that good for OUR clubs development? IF this is true then I am not sure how many managers WOULD have taken the job. If this style of football fails in this league for whatever reason, when and if do we change or do Spurs throw us to wall and let us go down before we change it? A club not in charge of its on-field destiny !!

Again, if this is complete tosh, then why not come out and say so, and rubbish the Daily Mail story. To me, the silence speaks volumes. Why has this not been investigated or at least written up by the adver is beyond me? After all STFC is a community based club, and the adver a community paper?!

It seems like the board have gone at it like a bull in a china shop, Season Tickets changed. Food outlets changed. Concerts - ill conceived. Squad almost completely unrecognizable from last season. All in the space of the close season. The pace of change has been too fast and poorly communicated.

I have no doubt that the wages bill needed to be cut, and the squad trimmed, but allow a manager the decency of getting in players who he thinks we get us out of this division. I am sure the board believe they can do a better job of it, and I suspect they are right, because if we don't improve and quickly, we will be out of this division but not heading in the right direction.

Like I said, good luck to MC, he and the team (notice I didn't his) will have my full support, win, lose or draw. But I am sorry, but I just can't give my support to the board, unless they radically change how they communicate to the fans about how they run this club, after all this is a business and they need OUR money.
All valid points.
Totally agree
[quote][p][bold]wobble-o-3[/bold] wrote: Good Luck to MC, he is going to need it. Whether he is the boards puppet or not, one thing remains very clear. Never I have ever known a board to polarize the fans opinions as much as this one. I have to say personally I don't like they way they are running the club, which may be with all the best intentions. For instance: The lack of proper communication - not just tit bits from Jeds personal twitter - that is not a professional way to communicate with your clients. Perhaps if the club communicated in a professional manner, this forum wouldn't be so negative and thus stop "potential investors from investing" - Really! Becoming a feeder club for Spurs - by all means take some of their players on loan - but to HAVE to play and train in a certain way and be overseen by their coaches - how is that good for OUR clubs development? IF this is true then I am not sure how many managers WOULD have taken the job. If this style of football fails in this league for whatever reason, when and if do we change or do Spurs throw us to wall and let us go down before we change it? A club not in charge of its on-field destiny !! Again, if this is complete tosh, then why not come out and say so, and rubbish the Daily Mail story. To me, the silence speaks volumes. Why has this not been investigated or at least written up by the adver is beyond me? After all STFC is a community based club, and the adver a community paper?! It seems like the board have gone at it like a bull in a china shop, Season Tickets changed. Food outlets changed. Concerts - ill conceived. Squad almost completely unrecognizable from last season. All in the space of the close season. The pace of change has been too fast and poorly communicated. I have no doubt that the wages bill needed to be cut, and the squad trimmed, but allow a manager the decency of getting in players who he thinks we get us out of this division. I am sure the board believe they can do a better job of it, and I suspect they are right, because if we don't improve and quickly, we will be out of this division but not heading in the right direction. Like I said, good luck to MC, he and the team (notice I didn't his) will have my full support, win, lose or draw. But I am sorry, but I just can't give my support to the board, unless they radically change how they communicate to the fans about how they run this club, after all this is a business and they need OUR money.[/p][/quote]All valid points. Totally agree jamesturner

3:22pm Tue 20 Aug 13

stfc4ever!! says...

smirg kcab wrote:
We want cooper out say we want cooper out, You don't know what your doing. Before today I had every faith in jed and lee, you have now disgraced us now by appointing this fool, After all the fans removed Wilson,hart,McDonald with the abuse Onwards to the conference. Don't forget as paying fans you are entitled to have a voice on Saturday. Louder the better Perhaps ian brady could be our number 2 now.
Vile on so many levels
[quote][p][bold]smirg kcab[/bold] wrote: We want cooper out say we want cooper out, You don't know what your doing. Before today I had every faith in jed and lee, you have now disgraced us now by appointing this fool, After all the fans removed Wilson,hart,McDonald with the abuse Onwards to the conference. Don't forget as paying fans you are entitled to have a voice on Saturday. Louder the better Perhaps ian brady could be our number 2 now.[/p][/quote]Vile on so many levels stfc4ever!!

3:26pm Tue 20 Aug 13

stfcdod says...

Guv wrote:
May as well of carried on as we are, now it will probably cost us compensation when we have to fire him, as he is not the man for STFC!

Pretty simple, he don't listen to the fans, he don't care who keeps this club alive by supporting the team. Without fans you have no club!

All we asked for was a decent manager and there are many of them, those with proven experience,

We have a team with no real first hand experience so the least we needed was a manager with some experience.

I wasn't expecting Glenn Hoddle (all though he would of been my first choice) but someone.

Why wait 5 weeks when you knew all along you would pay peanuts for this?

All that crap, I have the same money as the previous board, we will be promoted, well Jed, if we get promoted this year as you promised then I will personally eat my hat at half time on the last game of the season!

STFC is important to a lot of people, promotion was a few games away when you and your ideas came to town!

How glad I am you didn't go for promotion really, imagine Watford playing us under cooper, good god!

Bad choice, one that suits you and doesn't suit the fans or the players or the team.

No passion, no ambition for champtionship, all you want is a toy, hurry up and get bored and sell it

FITTON WHERE ARE YOU? Save us from this low life
An extremely constructive post, if I may say sir. Oh.......you forgot one thing. You forgot to say who all these decent, available managers are !!!!!!!!!!!
[quote][p][bold]Guv[/bold] wrote: May as well of carried on as we are, now it will probably cost us compensation when we have to fire him, as he is not the man for STFC! Pretty simple, he don't listen to the fans, he don't care who keeps this club alive by supporting the team. Without fans you have no club! All we asked for was a decent manager and there are many of them, those with proven experience, We have a team with no real first hand experience so the least we needed was a manager with some experience. I wasn't expecting Glenn Hoddle (all though he would of been my first choice) but someone. Why wait 5 weeks when you knew all along you would pay peanuts for this? All that crap, I have the same money as the previous board, we will be promoted, well Jed, if we get promoted this year as you promised then I will personally eat my hat at half time on the last game of the season! STFC is important to a lot of people, promotion was a few games away when you and your ideas came to town! How glad I am you didn't go for promotion really, imagine Watford playing us under cooper, good god! Bad choice, one that suits you and doesn't suit the fans or the players or the team. No passion, no ambition for champtionship, all you want is a toy, hurry up and get bored and sell it FITTON WHERE ARE YOU? Save us from this low life[/p][/quote]An extremely constructive post, if I may say sir. Oh.......you forgot one thing. You forgot to say who all these decent, available managers are !!!!!!!!!!! stfcdod

3:29pm Tue 20 Aug 13

Is that you Lovesey says...

smirg kcab wrote:
We want cooper out say we want cooper out, You don't know what your doing. Before today I had every faith in jed and lee, you have now disgraced us now by appointing this fool, After all the fans removed Wilson,hart,McDonald with the abuse Onwards to the conference. Don't forget as paying fans you are entitled to have a voice on Saturday. Louder the better Perhaps ian brady could be our number 2 now.
Come on Grim you are better than that.
[quote][p][bold]smirg kcab[/bold] wrote: We want cooper out say we want cooper out, You don't know what your doing. Before today I had every faith in jed and lee, you have now disgraced us now by appointing this fool, After all the fans removed Wilson,hart,McDonald with the abuse Onwards to the conference. Don't forget as paying fans you are entitled to have a voice on Saturday. Louder the better Perhaps ian brady could be our number 2 now.[/p][/quote]Come on Grim you are better than that. Is that you Lovesey

3:30pm Tue 20 Aug 13

Oi Den! says...

wobble-o-3 wrote:
Good Luck to MC, he is going to need it.

Whether he is the boards puppet or not, one thing remains very clear. Never I have ever known a board to polarize the fans opinions as much as this one.

I have to say personally I don't like they way they are running the club, which may be with all the best intentions. For instance:

The lack of proper communication - not just tit bits from Jeds personal twitter - that is not a professional way to communicate with your clients. Perhaps if the club communicated in a professional manner, this forum wouldn't be so negative and thus stop "potential investors from investing" - Really!

Becoming a feeder club for Spurs - by all means take some of their players on loan - but to HAVE to play and train in a certain way and be overseen by their coaches - how is that good for OUR clubs development? IF this is true then I am not sure how many managers WOULD have taken the job. If this style of football fails in this league for whatever reason, when and if do we change or do Spurs throw us to wall and let us go down before we change it? A club not in charge of its on-field destiny !!

Again, if this is complete tosh, then why not come out and say so, and rubbish the Daily Mail story. To me, the silence speaks volumes. Why has this not been investigated or at least written up by the adver is beyond me? After all STFC is a community based club, and the adver a community paper?!

It seems like the board have gone at it like a bull in a china shop, Season Tickets changed. Food outlets changed. Concerts - ill conceived. Squad almost completely unrecognizable from last season. All in the space of the close season. The pace of change has been too fast and poorly communicated.

I have no doubt that the wages bill needed to be cut, and the squad trimmed, but allow a manager the decency of getting in players who he thinks we get us out of this division. I am sure the board believe they can do a better job of it, and I suspect they are right, because if we don't improve and quickly, we will be out of this division but not heading in the right direction.

Like I said, good luck to MC, he and the team (notice I didn't his) will have my full support, win, lose or draw. But I am sorry, but I just can't give my support to the board, unless they radically change how they communicate to the fans about how they run this club, after all this is a business and they need OUR money.
Excellent post.

Note to Oxon and others who suspect that people's mistrust of the owners is about money. It is not. We are Swindon Town supporters. We do not expect our club to be rich, although it would be nice to have that luxury. If money enters into the debate at all, it is at the margins and it is only there because the board chose to bullshiit about it on more than 1 occasion. We are used to being a smallish club on a smallish budget. We have to live with that, even though our flirtation with riches was nice while it lasted. It's the ducking and diving, along with the sense that we are losing our identity, that people find hard to take.
[quote][p][bold]wobble-o-3[/bold] wrote: Good Luck to MC, he is going to need it. Whether he is the boards puppet or not, one thing remains very clear. Never I have ever known a board to polarize the fans opinions as much as this one. I have to say personally I don't like they way they are running the club, which may be with all the best intentions. For instance: The lack of proper communication - not just tit bits from Jeds personal twitter - that is not a professional way to communicate with your clients. Perhaps if the club communicated in a professional manner, this forum wouldn't be so negative and thus stop "potential investors from investing" - Really! Becoming a feeder club for Spurs - by all means take some of their players on loan - but to HAVE to play and train in a certain way and be overseen by their coaches - how is that good for OUR clubs development? IF this is true then I am not sure how many managers WOULD have taken the job. If this style of football fails in this league for whatever reason, when and if do we change or do Spurs throw us to wall and let us go down before we change it? A club not in charge of its on-field destiny !! Again, if this is complete tosh, then why not come out and say so, and rubbish the Daily Mail story. To me, the silence speaks volumes. Why has this not been investigated or at least written up by the adver is beyond me? After all STFC is a community based club, and the adver a community paper?! It seems like the board have gone at it like a bull in a china shop, Season Tickets changed. Food outlets changed. Concerts - ill conceived. Squad almost completely unrecognizable from last season. All in the space of the close season. The pace of change has been too fast and poorly communicated. I have no doubt that the wages bill needed to be cut, and the squad trimmed, but allow a manager the decency of getting in players who he thinks we get us out of this division. I am sure the board believe they can do a better job of it, and I suspect they are right, because if we don't improve and quickly, we will be out of this division but not heading in the right direction. Like I said, good luck to MC, he and the team (notice I didn't his) will have my full support, win, lose or draw. But I am sorry, but I just can't give my support to the board, unless they radically change how they communicate to the fans about how they run this club, after all this is a business and they need OUR money.[/p][/quote]Excellent post. Note to Oxon and others who suspect that people's mistrust of the owners is about money. It is not. We are Swindon Town supporters. We do not expect our club to be rich, although it would be nice to have that luxury. If money enters into the debate at all, it is at the margins and it is only there because the board chose to bullshiit about it on more than 1 occasion. We are used to being a smallish club on a smallish budget. We have to live with that, even though our flirtation with riches was nice while it lasted. It's the ducking and diving, along with the sense that we are losing our identity, that people find hard to take. Oi Den!

3:31pm Tue 20 Aug 13

RogerJ1969 says...

bussy1 wrote:
RogerJ1969 wrote: Whilst I think most are assuming MC has the job is it possible the delay is due to someone else being offered it? You would think that if the meeting yesterday morning had been to rubber stamp MC's appointment an announcement would have been made quick and easy. Am I reading too much into the delay or are we to be suprised as we were with the Ranger signing?
Roger, your surprised in a delay in an announcement from Jed & Co. What planet have you been living on for the last 6 months!!
Hmm, maybe I am reading too much into it but just wondering.
[quote][p][bold]bussy1[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]RogerJ1969[/bold] wrote: Whilst I think most are assuming MC has the job is it possible the delay is due to someone else being offered it? You would think that if the meeting yesterday morning had been to rubber stamp MC's appointment an announcement would have been made quick and easy. Am I reading too much into the delay or are we to be suprised as we were with the Ranger signing?[/p][/quote]Roger, your surprised in a delay in an announcement from Jed & Co. What planet have you been living on for the last 6 months!![/p][/quote]Hmm, maybe I am reading too much into it but just wondering. RogerJ1969

3:35pm Tue 20 Aug 13

Oxon-Red says...

And now for something completely different...

We had the manager poll on Saturday so this may be interesting.

Assuming Mark is now manager of Town, are you prepared to back him for a decent period of time ?

Click "Like" if you are and "Dislike" if you are not.

COYMR
And now for something completely different... We had the manager poll on Saturday so this may be interesting. Assuming Mark is now manager of Town, are you prepared to back him for a decent period of time ? Click "Like" if you are and "Dislike" if you are not. COYMR Oxon-Red

3:38pm Tue 20 Aug 13

bussy1 says...

stfcdod wrote:
Guv wrote:
May as well of carried on as we are, now it will probably cost us compensation when we have to fire him, as he is not the man for STFC!

Pretty simple, he don't listen to the fans, he don't care who keeps this club alive by supporting the team. Without fans you have no club!

All we asked for was a decent manager and there are many of them, those with proven experience,

We have a team with no real first hand experience so the least we needed was a manager with some experience.

I wasn't expecting Glenn Hoddle (all though he would of been my first choice) but someone.

Why wait 5 weeks when you knew all along you would pay peanuts for this?

All that crap, I have the same money as the previous board, we will be promoted, well Jed, if we get promoted this year as you promised then I will personally eat my hat at half time on the last game of the season!

STFC is important to a lot of people, promotion was a few games away when you and your ideas came to town!

How glad I am you didn't go for promotion really, imagine Watford playing us under cooper, good god!

Bad choice, one that suits you and doesn't suit the fans or the players or the team.

No passion, no ambition for champtionship, all you want is a toy, hurry up and get bored and sell it

FITTON WHERE ARE YOU? Save us from this low life
An extremely constructive post, if I may say sir. Oh.......you forgot one thing. You forgot to say who all these decent, available managers are !!!!!!!!!!!
The "decent available managers" are the ones Jed & Co. so say interviewed for the job. They were obviously to expensive or didn't want to work under Power. There must be at least one, hungry, recently retired player, in a similar mould to Macari, Ardiles, Hoddle, PDC, who put their hat in the ring, and got overlooked for Cooper.
[quote][p][bold]stfcdod[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Guv[/bold] wrote: May as well of carried on as we are, now it will probably cost us compensation when we have to fire him, as he is not the man for STFC! Pretty simple, he don't listen to the fans, he don't care who keeps this club alive by supporting the team. Without fans you have no club! All we asked for was a decent manager and there are many of them, those with proven experience, We have a team with no real first hand experience so the least we needed was a manager with some experience. I wasn't expecting Glenn Hoddle (all though he would of been my first choice) but someone. Why wait 5 weeks when you knew all along you would pay peanuts for this? All that crap, I have the same money as the previous board, we will be promoted, well Jed, if we get promoted this year as you promised then I will personally eat my hat at half time on the last game of the season! STFC is important to a lot of people, promotion was a few games away when you and your ideas came to town! How glad I am you didn't go for promotion really, imagine Watford playing us under cooper, good god! Bad choice, one that suits you and doesn't suit the fans or the players or the team. No passion, no ambition for champtionship, all you want is a toy, hurry up and get bored and sell it FITTON WHERE ARE YOU? Save us from this low life[/p][/quote]An extremely constructive post, if I may say sir. Oh.......you forgot one thing. You forgot to say who all these decent, available managers are !!!!!!!!!!![/p][/quote]The "decent available managers" are the ones Jed & Co. so say interviewed for the job. They were obviously to expensive or didn't want to work under Power. There must be at least one, hungry, recently retired player, in a similar mould to Macari, Ardiles, Hoddle, PDC, who put their hat in the ring, and got overlooked for Cooper. bussy1

3:39pm Tue 20 Aug 13

castle9 says...

bussy1 wrote:
Oxon-Red wrote:
bussy1 wrote:
buckobassettboy wrote:
louiscassius wrote: Come on lads, We all waited yesterday thinking, Breaking News Mr X.(Big name) was going to be the new Boss. But, deep in our hearts we knew Mark was the guy. You can't drop 50% of the wages in 5 months and expect it all to be good. I think Yeovil was quite on quite a low range budget, but ask yourselves how long their budget has been that way, quite a few years I should think, run by a guy who's operated under those sorts of conditions for a lot of his managerial career. So, consolidation and mix bag time this season I think, but essential to keep the Club afloat. It's not going to be pretty, we all know that, but thank god it's finally arrived and the speculation can now stop. Lets just see if we get a couple more good players in, in the next 11 days.....Could make all the difference in some cases.... Here's to 2014/15 season being a lot more stable and just generally nice.
The last line is so appropriate to my current stance-I am staying away with my money in my pocket.Maybe a token gesture-but as far as throwing money into a regime that feeds us ,the fans,continual rhetoric,deceit and contempt beyond belief is something that I will not contemplate.The 2013-2014 season with the view of consolidation?We already know what that means-a veiled excuse for mediocrity which the incumbent board expect to be bankrolled from the turnstiles by the long suffering fans.Lets face it-since the departure of PDC,the arrival and abject failure of KMAC and now the appointment of Cooper,its been awful and generally the posters on here would concur.Having read the unbiased appraisal of the match on Saturday from a number of posters just makes my personal stance more solid.Every last one of the fans will make their own choice and good luck to them.I will follow the Town until I die-for the moment that does not include financial support.
Well said buckobassettboy. I have watched the town since 1968, but now, like yourself, my money is staying in my pocket. I will not contribute a penny to these clowns running our once great club. This appointment of Cooper was forced on them, no sane person would take the job working under a bunch of amateurs. 12 years ago Swansea fans forced out Mike Lewis. He bought the club for £1 and proceeded to asset strip, selling off all the decent players. Ring any bells? They ousted him just in time to prevent dropping out league football. Until the happy clappers come to their senses, and force out Jed & Co., this club is on a downward spiral.
We have SOLD two players, two, hardly asset stripping.

Force out Jed !!!

Then what ??????

More substance please and I might listen.

COYMR
Your being pedantic Oxon-red. We may have only SOLD two players, but we got rid of many half decent ones.So you don't think getting rid of players on free transfers like Ferry and McCormack Is asset stripping?
Force Jed out and then what? Look at Swansea now!
Am I missing something here? Can you explain to me how getting rid of players on free transfers is asset stripping???

Last time I looked in the dictionary asset stripping was defined as making money out of selling your assets. All this did was reduce our salary bill moving forwards in order to go some way towards keeping Swindon Town in business.
[quote][p][bold]bussy1[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Oxon-Red[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]bussy1[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]buckobassettboy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]louiscassius[/bold] wrote: Come on lads, We all waited yesterday thinking, Breaking News Mr X.(Big name) was going to be the new Boss. But, deep in our hearts we knew Mark was the guy. You can't drop 50% of the wages in 5 months and expect it all to be good. I think Yeovil was quite on quite a low range budget, but ask yourselves how long their budget has been that way, quite a few years I should think, run by a guy who's operated under those sorts of conditions for a lot of his managerial career. So, consolidation and mix bag time this season I think, but essential to keep the Club afloat. It's not going to be pretty, we all know that, but thank god it's finally arrived and the speculation can now stop. Lets just see if we get a couple more good players in, in the next 11 days.....Could make all the difference in some cases.... Here's to 2014/15 season being a lot more stable and just generally nice.[/p][/quote]The last line is so appropriate to my current stance-I am staying away with my money in my pocket.Maybe a token gesture-but as far as throwing money into a regime that feeds us ,the fans,continual rhetoric,deceit and contempt beyond belief is something that I will not contemplate.The 2013-2014 season with the view of consolidation?We already know what that means-a veiled excuse for mediocrity which the incumbent board expect to be bankrolled from the turnstiles by the long suffering fans.Lets face it-since the departure of PDC,the arrival and abject failure of KMAC and now the appointment of Cooper,its been awful and generally the posters on here would concur.Having read the unbiased appraisal of the match on Saturday from a number of posters just makes my personal stance more solid.Every last one of the fans will make their own choice and good luck to them.I will follow the Town until I die-for the moment that does not include financial support.[/p][/quote]Well said buckobassettboy. I have watched the town since 1968, but now, like yourself, my money is staying in my pocket. I will not contribute a penny to these clowns running our once great club. This appointment of Cooper was forced on them, no sane person would take the job working under a bunch of amateurs. 12 years ago Swansea fans forced out Mike Lewis. He bought the club for £1 and proceeded to asset strip, selling off all the decent players. Ring any bells? They ousted him just in time to prevent dropping out league football. Until the happy clappers come to their senses, and force out Jed & Co., this club is on a downward spiral.[/p][/quote]We have SOLD two players, two, hardly asset stripping. Force out Jed !!! Then what ?????? More substance please and I might listen. COYMR[/p][/quote]Your being pedantic Oxon-red. We may have only SOLD two players, but we got rid of many half decent ones.So you don't think getting rid of players on free transfers like Ferry and McCormack Is asset stripping? Force Jed out and then what? Look at Swansea now![/p][/quote]Am I missing something here? Can you explain to me how getting rid of players on free transfers is asset stripping??? Last time I looked in the dictionary asset stripping was defined as making money out of selling your assets. All this did was reduce our salary bill moving forwards in order to go some way towards keeping Swindon Town in business. castle9

3:42pm Tue 20 Aug 13

castle9 says...

Is that you Lovesey wrote:
smirg kcab wrote:
We want cooper out say we want cooper out, You don't know what your doing. Before today I had every faith in jed and lee, you have now disgraced us now by appointing this fool, After all the fans removed Wilson,hart,McDonald with the abuse Onwards to the conference. Don't forget as paying fans you are entitled to have a voice on Saturday. Louder the better Perhaps ian brady could be our number 2 now.
Come on Grim you are better than that.
No he isnt.
Just do what most people do and ignore his 'input'.
[quote][p][bold]Is that you Lovesey[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]smirg kcab[/bold] wrote: We want cooper out say we want cooper out, You don't know what your doing. Before today I had every faith in jed and lee, you have now disgraced us now by appointing this fool, After all the fans removed Wilson,hart,McDonald with the abuse Onwards to the conference. Don't forget as paying fans you are entitled to have a voice on Saturday. Louder the better Perhaps ian brady could be our number 2 now.[/p][/quote]Come on Grim you are better than that.[/p][/quote]No he isnt. Just do what most people do and ignore his 'input'. castle9

3:45pm Tue 20 Aug 13

Swindon1984 says...

Is that you Lovesey wrote:
smirg kcab wrote: We want cooper out say we want cooper out, You don't know what your doing. Before today I had every faith in jed and lee, you have now disgraced us now by appointing this fool, After all the fans removed Wilson,hart,McDonald with the abuse Onwards to the conference. Don't forget as paying fans you are entitled to have a voice on Saturday. Louder the better Perhaps ian brady could be our number 2 now.
Come on Grim you are better than that.
You sure? :-)

Don't see the point in people moaning, whether they agree with it or not it is what it is, and the board can't please everyone. All we can do is get behind the team, and hope that Cooper does well - for the club, for us, for himself, and to silence his detractors.

Also Guv, self appointed voice of the people, speak for yourself, not for the rest of us -

"Bad choice, one that suits you and doesn't suit the fans or the players or the team."

From what the team have said publicly (and this after all is all we can base anything on rather than speculating on privately as SOME do), they are behind him. From what I've heard on here, some are for Cooper, some against, the majority seem to be unsure but are willing to give him a chance. So to say his appointment doesn't suit the fans or players is nonsense. Can't say I'm surprised however as you only seemed to show up when the new board was installed and have moaned at everything they've done since, so wasn't expecting anything but vitriol in respect of Cooper being given the job.
[quote][p][bold]Is that you Lovesey[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]smirg kcab[/bold] wrote: We want cooper out say we want cooper out, You don't know what your doing. Before today I had every faith in jed and lee, you have now disgraced us now by appointing this fool, After all the fans removed Wilson,hart,McDonald with the abuse Onwards to the conference. Don't forget as paying fans you are entitled to have a voice on Saturday. Louder the better Perhaps ian brady could be our number 2 now.[/p][/quote]Come on Grim you are better than that.[/p][/quote]You sure? :-) Don't see the point in people moaning, whether they agree with it or not it is what it is, and the board can't please everyone. All we can do is get behind the team, and hope that Cooper does well - for the club, for us, for himself, and to silence his detractors. Also Guv, self appointed voice of the people, speak for yourself, not for the rest of us - "Bad choice, one that suits you and doesn't suit the fans or the players or the team." From what the team have said publicly (and this after all is all we can base anything on rather than speculating on privately as SOME do), they are behind him. From what I've heard on here, some are for Cooper, some against, the majority seem to be unsure but are willing to give him a chance. So to say his appointment doesn't suit the fans or players is nonsense. Can't say I'm surprised however as you only seemed to show up when the new board was installed and have moaned at everything they've done since, so wasn't expecting anything but vitriol in respect of Cooper being given the job. Swindon1984

3:45pm Tue 20 Aug 13

stfcdod says...

stfc4ever!! wrote:
smirg kcab wrote:
We want cooper out say we want cooper out, You don't know what your doing. Before today I had every faith in jed and lee, you have now disgraced us now by appointing this fool, After all the fans removed Wilson,hart,McDonald with the abuse Onwards to the conference. Don't forget as paying fans you are entitled to have a voice on Saturday. Louder the better Perhaps ian brady could be our number 2 now.
Vile on so many levels
You've sunk to new depths with this one SK. You must be a really sick individual.
[quote][p][bold]stfc4ever!![/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]smirg kcab[/bold] wrote: We want cooper out say we want cooper out, You don't know what your doing. Before today I had every faith in jed and lee, you have now disgraced us now by appointing this fool, After all the fans removed Wilson,hart,McDonald with the abuse Onwards to the conference. Don't forget as paying fans you are entitled to have a voice on Saturday. Louder the better Perhaps ian brady could be our number 2 now.[/p][/quote]Vile on so many levels[/p][/quote]You've sunk to new depths with this one SK. You must be a really sick individual. stfcdod

3:49pm Tue 20 Aug 13

stfcdod says...

bussy1 wrote:
stfcdod wrote:
Guv wrote:
May as well of carried on as we are, now it will probably cost us compensation when we have to fire him, as he is not the man for STFC!

Pretty simple, he don't listen to the fans, he don't care who keeps this club alive by supporting the team. Without fans you have no club!

All we asked for was a decent manager and there are many of them, those with proven experience,

We have a team with no real first hand experience so the least we needed was a manager with some experience.

I wasn't expecting Glenn Hoddle (all though he would of been my first choice) but someone.

Why wait 5 weeks when you knew all along you would pay peanuts for this?

All that crap, I have the same money as the previous board, we will be promoted, well Jed, if we get promoted this year as you promised then I will personally eat my hat at half time on the last game of the season!

STFC is important to a lot of people, promotion was a few games away when you and your ideas came to town!

How glad I am you didn't go for promotion really, imagine Watford playing us under cooper, good god!

Bad choice, one that suits you and doesn't suit the fans or the players or the team.

No passion, no ambition for champtionship, all you want is a toy, hurry up and get bored and sell it

FITTON WHERE ARE YOU? Save us from this low life
An extremely constructive post, if I may say sir. Oh.......you forgot one thing. You forgot to say who all these decent, available managers are !!!!!!!!!!!
The "decent available managers" are the ones Jed & Co. so say interviewed for the job. They were obviously to expensive or didn't want to work under Power. There must be at least one, hungry, recently retired player, in a similar mould to Macari, Ardiles, Hoddle, PDC, who put their hat in the ring, and got overlooked for Cooper.
No names then. You're full of good ideas.
[quote][p][bold]bussy1[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]stfcdod[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Guv[/bold] wrote: May as well of carried on as we are, now it will probably cost us compensation when we have to fire him, as he is not the man for STFC! Pretty simple, he don't listen to the fans, he don't care who keeps this club alive by supporting the team. Without fans you have no club! All we asked for was a decent manager and there are many of them, those with proven experience, We have a team with no real first hand experience so the least we needed was a manager with some experience. I wasn't expecting Glenn Hoddle (all though he would of been my first choice) but someone. Why wait 5 weeks when you knew all along you would pay peanuts for this? All that crap, I have the same money as the previous board, we will be promoted, well Jed, if we get promoted this year as you promised then I will personally eat my hat at half time on the last game of the season! STFC is important to a lot of people, promotion was a few games away when you and your ideas came to town! How glad I am you didn't go for promotion really, imagine Watford playing us under cooper, good god! Bad choice, one that suits you and doesn't suit the fans or the players or the team. No passion, no ambition for champtionship, all you want is a toy, hurry up and get bored and sell it FITTON WHERE ARE YOU? Save us from this low life[/p][/quote]An extremely constructive post, if I may say sir. Oh.......you forgot one thing. You forgot to say who all these decent, available managers are !!!!!!!!!!![/p][/quote]The "decent available managers" are the ones Jed & Co. so say interviewed for the job. They were obviously to expensive or didn't want to work under Power. There must be at least one, hungry, recently retired player, in a similar mould to Macari, Ardiles, Hoddle, PDC, who put their hat in the ring, and got overlooked for Cooper.[/p][/quote]No names then. You're full of good ideas. stfcdod

3:52pm Tue 20 Aug 13

castle9 says...

..and another thing!

All this talk about 'puppets' and the players not being Cooper's players. Of course they aren't, as he hasn't been the man in charge until recently.

Power's contacts may well have got us the close relationship with Spurs - but is that so bad if it provides us with quality players? It wasnt so long ago we were supposed to have relationships with Liverpool/Man City - and people on here were complaining that we never signed any of their players as a result!

I am sure that Power may continue to identify potential signings - and again why is that such a bad thing if it leaves Cooper to concentrate on training, tactics and picking the team?

And before someone replies that 'he doesnt pick the team, Power does', that is complete rubbish....
..and another thing! All this talk about 'puppets' and the players not being Cooper's players. Of course they aren't, as he hasn't been the man in charge until recently. Power's contacts may well have got us the close relationship with Spurs - but is that so bad if it provides us with quality players? It wasnt so long ago we were supposed to have relationships with Liverpool/Man City - and people on here were complaining that we never signed any of their players as a result! I am sure that Power may continue to identify potential signings - and again why is that such a bad thing if it leaves Cooper to concentrate on training, tactics and picking the team? And before someone replies that 'he doesnt pick the team, Power does', that is complete rubbish.... castle9

3:55pm Tue 20 Aug 13

Is that you Lovesey says...

One day I will come on and have a chat about football and the team.......
One day I will come on and have a chat about football and the team....... Is that you Lovesey

3:55pm Tue 20 Aug 13

Oxon-Red says...

Oi Den! wrote:
wobble-o-3 wrote: Good Luck to MC, he is going to need it. Whether he is the boards puppet or not, one thing remains very clear. Never I have ever known a board to polarize the fans opinions as much as this one. I have to say personally I don't like they way they are running the club, which may be with all the best intentions. For instance: The lack of proper communication - not just tit bits from Jeds personal twitter - that is not a professional way to communicate with your clients. Perhaps if the club communicated in a professional manner, this forum wouldn't be so negative and thus stop "potential investors from investing" - Really! Becoming a feeder club for Spurs - by all means take some of their players on loan - but to HAVE to play and train in a certain way and be overseen by their coaches - how is that good for OUR clubs development? IF this is true then I am not sure how many managers WOULD have taken the job. If this style of football fails in this league for whatever reason, when and if do we change or do Spurs throw us to wall and let us go down before we change it? A club not in charge of its on-field destiny !! Again, if this is complete tosh, then why not come out and say so, and rubbish the Daily Mail story. To me, the silence speaks volumes. Why has this not been investigated or at least written up by the adver is beyond me? After all STFC is a community based club, and the adver a community paper?! It seems like the board have gone at it like a bull in a china shop, Season Tickets changed. Food outlets changed. Concerts - ill conceived. Squad almost completely unrecognizable from last season. All in the space of the close season. The pace of change has been too fast and poorly communicated. I have no doubt that the wages bill needed to be cut, and the squad trimmed, but allow a manager the decency of getting in players who he thinks we get us out of this division. I am sure the board believe they can do a better job of it, and I suspect they are right, because if we don't improve and quickly, we will be out of this division but not heading in the right direction. Like I said, good luck to MC, he and the team (notice I didn't his) will have my full support, win, lose or draw. But I am sorry, but I just can't give my support to the board, unless they radically change how they communicate to the fans about how they run this club, after all this is a business and they need OUR money.
Excellent post. Note to Oxon and others who suspect that people's mistrust of the owners is about money. It is not. We are Swindon Town supporters. We do not expect our club to be rich, although it would be nice to have that luxury. If money enters into the debate at all, it is at the margins and it is only there because the board chose to bullshiit about it on more than 1 occasion. We are used to being a smallish club on a smallish budget. We have to live with that, even though our flirtation with riches was nice while it lasted. It's the ducking and diving, along with the sense that we are losing our identity, that people find hard to take.
Den,

If it isn't about money then why do we see constant references to the "Cheap Option" etc. I think some (not you) still expect spending to be on a par with the last few years.

Cowpats or badly chosen words.

Unanswered questions, poor communications or poor questions ?

COYMR
[quote][p][bold]Oi Den![/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]wobble-o-3[/bold] wrote: Good Luck to MC, he is going to need it. Whether he is the boards puppet or not, one thing remains very clear. Never I have ever known a board to polarize the fans opinions as much as this one. I have to say personally I don't like they way they are running the club, which may be with all the best intentions. For instance: The lack of proper communication - not just tit bits from Jeds personal twitter - that is not a professional way to communicate with your clients. Perhaps if the club communicated in a professional manner, this forum wouldn't be so negative and thus stop "potential investors from investing" - Really! Becoming a feeder club for Spurs - by all means take some of their players on loan - but to HAVE to play and train in a certain way and be overseen by their coaches - how is that good for OUR clubs development? IF this is true then I am not sure how many managers WOULD have taken the job. If this style of football fails in this league for whatever reason, when and if do we change or do Spurs throw us to wall and let us go down before we change it? A club not in charge of its on-field destiny !! Again, if this is complete tosh, then why not come out and say so, and rubbish the Daily Mail story. To me, the silence speaks volumes. Why has this not been investigated or at least written up by the adver is beyond me? After all STFC is a community based club, and the adver a community paper?! It seems like the board have gone at it like a bull in a china shop, Season Tickets changed. Food outlets changed. Concerts - ill conceived. Squad almost completely unrecognizable from last season. All in the space of the close season. The pace of change has been too fast and poorly communicated. I have no doubt that the wages bill needed to be cut, and the squad trimmed, but allow a manager the decency of getting in players who he thinks we get us out of this division. I am sure the board believe they can do a better job of it, and I suspect they are right, because if we don't improve and quickly, we will be out of this division but not heading in the right direction. Like I said, good luck to MC, he and the team (notice I didn't his) will have my full support, win, lose or draw. But I am sorry, but I just can't give my support to the board, unless they radically change how they communicate to the fans about how they run this club, after all this is a business and they need OUR money.[/p][/quote]Excellent post. Note to Oxon and others who suspect that people's mistrust of the owners is about money. It is not. We are Swindon Town supporters. We do not expect our club to be rich, although it would be nice to have that luxury. If money enters into the debate at all, it is at the margins and it is only there because the board chose to bullshiit about it on more than 1 occasion. We are used to being a smallish club on a smallish budget. We have to live with that, even though our flirtation with riches was nice while it lasted. It's the ducking and diving, along with the sense that we are losing our identity, that people find hard to take.[/p][/quote]Den, If it isn't about money then why do we see constant references to the "Cheap Option" etc. I think some (not you) still expect spending to be on a par with the last few years. Cowpats or badly chosen words. Unanswered questions, poor communications or poor questions ? COYMR Oxon-Red

4:09pm Tue 20 Aug 13

bussy1 says...

castle9 wrote:
bussy1 wrote:
Oxon-Red wrote:
bussy1 wrote:
buckobassettboy wrote:
louiscassius wrote: Come on lads, We all waited yesterday thinking, Breaking News Mr X.(Big name) was going to be the new Boss. But, deep in our hearts we knew Mark was the guy. You can't drop 50% of the wages in 5 months and expect it all to be good. I think Yeovil was quite on quite a low range budget, but ask yourselves how long their budget has been that way, quite a few years I should think, run by a guy who's operated under those sorts of conditions for a lot of his managerial career. So, consolidation and mix bag time this season I think, but essential to keep the Club afloat. It's not going to be pretty, we all know that, but thank god it's finally arrived and the speculation can now stop. Lets just see if we get a couple more good players in, in the next 11 days.....Could make all the difference in some cases.... Here's to 2014/15 season being a lot more stable and just generally nice.
The last line is so appropriate to my current stance-I am staying away with my money in my pocket.Maybe a token gesture-but as far as throwing money into a regime that feeds us ,the fans,continual rhetoric,deceit and contempt beyond belief is something that I will not contemplate.The 2013-2014 season with the view of consolidation?We already know what that means-a veiled excuse for mediocrity which the incumbent board expect to be bankrolled from the turnstiles by the long suffering fans.Lets face it-since the departure of PDC,the arrival and abject failure of KMAC and now the appointment of Cooper,its been awful and generally the posters on here would concur.Having read the unbiased appraisal of the match on Saturday from a number of posters just makes my personal stance more solid.Every last one of the fans will make their own choice and good luck to them.I will follow the Town until I die-for the moment that does not include financial support.
Well said buckobassettboy. I have watched the town since 1968, but now, like yourself, my money is staying in my pocket. I will not contribute a penny to these clowns running our once great club. This appointment of Cooper was forced on them, no sane person would take the job working under a bunch of amateurs. 12 years ago Swansea fans forced out Mike Lewis. He bought the club for £1 and proceeded to asset strip, selling off all the decent players. Ring any bells? They ousted him just in time to prevent dropping out league football. Until the happy clappers come to their senses, and force out Jed & Co., this club is on a downward spiral.
We have SOLD two players, two, hardly asset stripping.

Force out Jed !!!

Then what ??????

More substance please and I might listen.

COYMR
Your being pedantic Oxon-red. We may have only SOLD two players, but we got rid of many half decent ones.So you don't think getting rid of players on free transfers like Ferry and McCormack Is asset stripping?
Force Jed out and then what? Look at Swansea now!
Am I missing something here? Can you explain to me how getting rid of players on free transfers is asset stripping???

Last time I looked in the dictionary asset stripping was defined as making money out of selling your assets. All this did was reduce our salary bill moving forwards in order to go some way towards keeping Swindon Town in business.
Your being as pedantic as Oxon Red. McCormack didn't leave over salary issues, he wanted a two year contract. And when he signed for Brentford, Jed had the gall to say we would gladly have him back, and had "verbally" offered him a 2 year contract.
[quote][p][bold]castle9[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]bussy1[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Oxon-Red[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]bussy1[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]buckobassettboy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]louiscassius[/bold] wrote: Come on lads, We all waited yesterday thinking, Breaking News Mr X.(Big name) was going to be the new Boss. But, deep in our hearts we knew Mark was the guy. You can't drop 50% of the wages in 5 months and expect it all to be good. I think Yeovil was quite on quite a low range budget, but ask yourselves how long their budget has been that way, quite a few years I should think, run by a guy who's operated under those sorts of conditions for a lot of his managerial career. So, consolidation and mix bag time this season I think, but essential to keep the Club afloat. It's not going to be pretty, we all know that, but thank god it's finally arrived and the speculation can now stop. Lets just see if we get a couple more good players in, in the next 11 days.....Could make all the difference in some cases.... Here's to 2014/15 season being a lot more stable and just generally nice.[/p][/quote]The last line is so appropriate to my current stance-I am staying away with my money in my pocket.Maybe a token gesture-but as far as throwing money into a regime that feeds us ,the fans,continual rhetoric,deceit and contempt beyond belief is something that I will not contemplate.The 2013-2014 season with the view of consolidation?We already know what that means-a veiled excuse for mediocrity which the incumbent board expect to be bankrolled from the turnstiles by the long suffering fans.Lets face it-since the departure of PDC,the arrival and abject failure of KMAC and now the appointment of Cooper,its been awful and generally the posters on here would concur.Having read the unbiased appraisal of the match on Saturday from a number of posters just makes my personal stance more solid.Every last one of the fans will make their own choice and good luck to them.I will follow the Town until I die-for the moment that does not include financial support.[/p][/quote]Well said buckobassettboy. I have watched the town since 1968, but now, like yourself, my money is staying in my pocket. I will not contribute a penny to these clowns running our once great club. This appointment of Cooper was forced on them, no sane person would take the job working under a bunch of amateurs. 12 years ago Swansea fans forced out Mike Lewis. He bought the club for £1 and proceeded to asset strip, selling off all the decent players. Ring any bells? They ousted him just in time to prevent dropping out league football. Until the happy clappers come to their senses, and force out Jed & Co., this club is on a downward spiral.[/p][/quote]We have SOLD two players, two, hardly asset stripping. Force out Jed !!! Then what ?????? More substance please and I might listen. COYMR[/p][/quote]Your being pedantic Oxon-red. We may have only SOLD two players, but we got rid of many half decent ones.So you don't think getting rid of players on free transfers like Ferry and McCormack Is asset stripping? Force Jed out and then what? Look at Swansea now![/p][/quote]Am I missing something here? Can you explain to me how getting rid of players on free transfers is asset stripping??? Last time I looked in the dictionary asset stripping was defined as making money out of selling your assets. All this did was reduce our salary bill moving forwards in order to go some way towards keeping Swindon Town in business.[/p][/quote]Your being as pedantic as Oxon Red. McCormack didn't leave over salary issues, he wanted a two year contract. And when he signed for Brentford, Jed had the gall to say we would gladly have him back, and had "verbally" offered him a 2 year contract. bussy1

4:19pm Tue 20 Aug 13

bussy1 says...

castle9 wrote:
..and another thing!

All this talk about 'puppets' and the players not being Cooper's players. Of course they aren't, as he hasn't been the man in charge until recently.

Power's contacts may well have got us the close relationship with Spurs - but is that so bad if it provides us with quality players? It wasnt so long ago we were supposed to have relationships with Liverpool/Man City - and people on here were complaining that we never signed any of their players as a result!

I am sure that Power may continue to identify potential signings - and again why is that such a bad thing if it leaves Cooper to concentrate on training, tactics and picking the team?

And before someone replies that 'he doesnt pick the team, Power does', that is complete rubbish....
How can he identify potential signings when he is only allowed in the country for 90 days a year? You need to watch matches constantly to identify good players.
[quote][p][bold]castle9[/bold] wrote: ..and another thing! All this talk about 'puppets' and the players not being Cooper's players. Of course they aren't, as he hasn't been the man in charge until recently. Power's contacts may well have got us the close relationship with Spurs - but is that so bad if it provides us with quality players? It wasnt so long ago we were supposed to have relationships with Liverpool/Man City - and people on here were complaining that we never signed any of their players as a result! I am sure that Power may continue to identify potential signings - and again why is that such a bad thing if it leaves Cooper to concentrate on training, tactics and picking the team? And before someone replies that 'he doesnt pick the team, Power does', that is complete rubbish....[/p][/quote]How can he identify potential signings when he is only allowed in the country for 90 days a year? You need to watch matches constantly to identify good players. bussy1

4:25pm Tue 20 Aug 13

bussy1 says...

stfcdod wrote:
bussy1 wrote:
stfcdod wrote:
Guv wrote:
May as well of carried on as we are, now it will probably cost us compensation when we have to fire him, as he is not the man for STFC!

Pretty simple, he don't listen to the fans, he don't care who keeps this club alive by supporting the team. Without fans you have no club!

All we asked for was a decent manager and there are many of them, those with proven experience,

We have a team with no real first hand experience so the least we needed was a manager with some experience.

I wasn't expecting Glenn Hoddle (all though he would of been my first choice) but someone.

Why wait 5 weeks when you knew all along you would pay peanuts for this?

All that crap, I have the same money as the previous board, we will be promoted, well Jed, if we get promoted this year as you promised then I will personally eat my hat at half time on the last game of the season!

STFC is important to a lot of people, promotion was a few games away when you and your ideas came to town!

How glad I am you didn't go for promotion really, imagine Watford playing us under cooper, good god!

Bad choice, one that suits you and doesn't suit the fans or the players or the team.

No passion, no ambition for champtionship, all you want is a toy, hurry up and get bored and sell it

FITTON WHERE ARE YOU? Save us from this low life
An extremely constructive post, if I may say sir. Oh.......you forgot one thing. You forgot to say who all these decent, available managers are !!!!!!!!!!!
The "decent available managers" are the ones Jed & Co. so say interviewed for the job. They were obviously to expensive or didn't want to work under Power. There must be at least one, hungry, recently retired player, in a similar mould to Macari, Ardiles, Hoddle, PDC, who put their hat in the ring, and got overlooked for Cooper.
No names then. You're full of good ideas.
Your right, no names. Because as usual with this board no-one has clue what their up to, who they were interviewing . According to Jed they were interviewing several candidates.What your saying is that not one of them was a better candidate than Cooper?
[quote][p][bold]stfcdod[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]bussy1[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]stfcdod[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Guv[/bold] wrote: May as well of carried on as we are, now it will probably cost us compensation when we have to fire him, as he is not the man for STFC! Pretty simple, he don't listen to the fans, he don't care who keeps this club alive by supporting the team. Without fans you have no club! All we asked for was a decent manager and there are many of them, those with proven experience, We have a team with no real first hand experience so the least we needed was a manager with some experience. I wasn't expecting Glenn Hoddle (all though he would of been my first choice) but someone. Why wait 5 weeks when you knew all along you would pay peanuts for this? All that crap, I have the same money as the previous board, we will be promoted, well Jed, if we get promoted this year as you promised then I will personally eat my hat at half time on the last game of the season! STFC is important to a lot of people, promotion was a few games away when you and your ideas came to town! How glad I am you didn't go for promotion really, imagine Watford playing us under cooper, good god! Bad choice, one that suits you and doesn't suit the fans or the players or the team. No passion, no ambition for champtionship, all you want is a toy, hurry up and get bored and sell it FITTON WHERE ARE YOU? Save us from this low life[/p][/quote]An extremely constructive post, if I may say sir. Oh.......you forgot one thing. You forgot to say who all these decent, available managers are !!!!!!!!!!![/p][/quote]The "decent available managers" are the ones Jed & Co. so say interviewed for the job. They were obviously to expensive or didn't want to work under Power. There must be at least one, hungry, recently retired player, in a similar mould to Macari, Ardiles, Hoddle, PDC, who put their hat in the ring, and got overlooked for Cooper.[/p][/quote]No names then. You're full of good ideas.[/p][/quote]Your right, no names. Because as usual with this board no-one has clue what their up to, who they were interviewing . According to Jed they were interviewing several candidates.What your saying is that not one of them was a better candidate than Cooper? bussy1

5:03pm Tue 20 Aug 13

Is that you Lovesey says...

bussy1 wrote:
stfcdod wrote:
bussy1 wrote:
stfcdod wrote:
Guv wrote: May as well of carried on as we are, now it will probably cost us compensation when we have to fire him, as he is not the man for STFC! Pretty simple, he don't listen to the fans, he don't care who keeps this club alive by supporting the team. Without fans you have no club! All we asked for was a decent manager and there are many of them, those with proven experience, We have a team with no real first hand experience so the least we needed was a manager with some experience. I wasn't expecting Glenn Hoddle (all though he would of been my first choice) but someone. Why wait 5 weeks when you knew all along you would pay peanuts for this? All that crap, I have the same money as the previous board, we will be promoted, well Jed, if we get promoted this year as you promised then I will personally eat my hat at half time on the last game of the season! STFC is important to a lot of people, promotion was a few games away when you and your ideas came to town! How glad I am you didn't go for promotion really, imagine Watford playing us under cooper, good god! Bad choice, one that suits you and doesn't suit the fans or the players or the team. No passion, no ambition for champtionship, all you want is a toy, hurry up and get bored and sell it FITTON WHERE ARE YOU? Save us from this low life
An extremely constructive post, if I may say sir. Oh.......you forgot one thing. You forgot to say who all these decent, available managers are !!!!!!!!!!!
The "decent available managers" are the ones Jed & Co. so say interviewed for the job. They were obviously to expensive or didn't want to work under Power. There must be at least one, hungry, recently retired player, in a similar mould to Macari, Ardiles, Hoddle, PDC, who put their hat in the ring, and got overlooked for Cooper.
No names then. You're full of good ideas.
Your right, no names. Because as usual with this board no-one has clue what their up to, who they were interviewing . According to Jed they were interviewing several candidates.What your saying is that not one of them was a better candidate than Cooper?
We know from reports that they spoke to Tisdale on several occasions, to name 1 manager, I personally would have rated him 1,000% a better candidate....
[quote][p][bold]bussy1[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]stfcdod[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]bussy1[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]stfcdod[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Guv[/bold] wrote: May as well of carried on as we are, now it will probably cost us compensation when we have to fire him, as he is not the man for STFC! Pretty simple, he don't listen to the fans, he don't care who keeps this club alive by supporting the team. Without fans you have no club! All we asked for was a decent manager and there are many of them, those with proven experience, We have a team with no real first hand experience so the least we needed was a manager with some experience. I wasn't expecting Glenn Hoddle (all though he would of been my first choice) but someone. Why wait 5 weeks when you knew all along you would pay peanuts for this? All that crap, I have the same money as the previous board, we will be promoted, well Jed, if we get promoted this year as you promised then I will personally eat my hat at half time on the last game of the season! STFC is important to a lot of people, promotion was a few games away when you and your ideas came to town! How glad I am you didn't go for promotion really, imagine Watford playing us under cooper, good god! Bad choice, one that suits you and doesn't suit the fans or the players or the team. No passion, no ambition for champtionship, all you want is a toy, hurry up and get bored and sell it FITTON WHERE ARE YOU? Save us from this low life[/p][/quote]An extremely constructive post, if I may say sir. Oh.......you forgot one thing. You forgot to say who all these decent, available managers are !!!!!!!!!!![/p][/quote]The "decent available managers" are the ones Jed & Co. so say interviewed for the job. They were obviously to expensive or didn't want to work under Power. There must be at least one, hungry, recently retired player, in a similar mould to Macari, Ardiles, Hoddle, PDC, who put their hat in the ring, and got overlooked for Cooper.[/p][/quote]No names then. You're full of good ideas.[/p][/quote]Your right, no names. Because as usual with this board no-one has clue what their up to, who they were interviewing . According to Jed they were interviewing several candidates.What your saying is that not one of them was a better candidate than Cooper?[/p][/quote]We know from reports that they spoke to Tisdale on several occasions, to name 1 manager, I personally would have rated him 1,000% a better candidate.... Is that you Lovesey

5:10pm Tue 20 Aug 13

Oi Den! says...

Oxon-Red wrote:
Oi Den! wrote:
wobble-o-3 wrote: Good Luck to MC, he is going to need it. Whether he is the boards puppet or not, one thing remains very clear. Never I have ever known a board to polarize the fans opinions as much as this one. I have to say personally I don't like they way they are running the club, which may be with all the best intentions. For instance: The lack of proper communication - not just tit bits from Jeds personal twitter - that is not a professional way to communicate with your clients. Perhaps if the club communicated in a professional manner, this forum wouldn't be so negative and thus stop "potential investors from investing" - Really! Becoming a feeder club for Spurs - by all means take some of their players on loan - but to HAVE to play and train in a certain way and be overseen by their coaches - how is that good for OUR clubs development? IF this is true then I am not sure how many managers WOULD have taken the job. If this style of football fails in this league for whatever reason, when and if do we change or do Spurs throw us to wall and let us go down before we change it? A club not in charge of its on-field destiny !! Again, if this is complete tosh, then why not come out and say so, and rubbish the Daily Mail story. To me, the silence speaks volumes. Why has this not been investigated or at least written up by the adver is beyond me? After all STFC is a community based club, and the adver a community paper?! It seems like the board have gone at it like a bull in a china shop, Season Tickets changed. Food outlets changed. Concerts - ill conceived. Squad almost completely unrecognizable from last season. All in the space of the close season. The pace of change has been too fast and poorly communicated. I have no doubt that the wages bill needed to be cut, and the squad trimmed, but allow a manager the decency of getting in players who he thinks we get us out of this division. I am sure the board believe they can do a better job of it, and I suspect they are right, because if we don't improve and quickly, we will be out of this division but not heading in the right direction. Like I said, good luck to MC, he and the team (notice I didn't his) will have my full support, win, lose or draw. But I am sorry, but I just can't give my support to the board, unless they radically change how they communicate to the fans about how they run this club, after all this is a business and they need OUR money.
Excellent post. Note to Oxon and others who suspect that people's mistrust of the owners is about money. It is not. We are Swindon Town supporters. We do not expect our club to be rich, although it would be nice to have that luxury. If money enters into the debate at all, it is at the margins and it is only there because the board chose to bullshiit about it on more than 1 occasion. We are used to being a smallish club on a smallish budget. We have to live with that, even though our flirtation with riches was nice while it lasted. It's the ducking and diving, along with the sense that we are losing our identity, that people find hard to take.
Den,

If it isn't about money then why do we see constant references to the "Cheap Option" etc. I think some (not you) still expect spending to be on a par with the last few years.

Cowpats or badly chosen words.

Unanswered questions, poor communications or poor questions ?

COYMR
OK Oxon, point taken about the "cheap option" comments. I still don't think that's most people's major concern though.

The questions have been good enough. It's just that the more uncomfortable ones get ignored or dismissed with half answers or jokes. We saw it in the answers given at the Trust meeting and it's there on twitter all the time. Anything about socialising seems to get an inexhaustible amount of time (fine, I guess that's what the medium is there for), while serious questions about the club get batted aside with a platitude or two. If twitter is the club's preferred method of communicating with the fans, either the club has chosen a method that doesn't work very well or it is deliberately putting out minimal information.

I can hear the cries already: "They don't have to tell the fans everything!" No, they don't, but we are already seeing the effects of the way they disregard the concerns of supporters. It is not people like you and me they have to worry about. We will be there come hell or high water. But look at the attendance for the first home League game - very poor for a day that's is usually eagerly awaited. And look at some of the comments on here. People say we don't need fans like those who talk of staying away. No? If a thousand people protest with their feet, what's that, 20 grand a match down the Swannee? We need them alright - and the club needs to wake up to that fact.. The previous regime may have had some faults but the executive directors, Fitton, Wray and Watkins, worked their arses off to earn our respect and support. We all know about the mismanagement that led to Black pulling the plug in the end but I have no doubt that they were all striving hard for the good of the club. Are this lot really doing that?
[quote][p][bold]Oxon-Red[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Oi Den![/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]wobble-o-3[/bold] wrote: Good Luck to MC, he is going to need it. Whether he is the boards puppet or not, one thing remains very clear. Never I have ever known a board to polarize the fans opinions as much as this one. I have to say personally I don't like they way they are running the club, which may be with all the best intentions. For instance: The lack of proper communication - not just tit bits from Jeds personal twitter - that is not a professional way to communicate with your clients. Perhaps if the club communicated in a professional manner, this forum wouldn't be so negative and thus stop "potential investors from investing" - Really! Becoming a feeder club for Spurs - by all means take some of their players on loan - but to HAVE to play and train in a certain way and be overseen by their coaches - how is that good for OUR clubs development? IF this is true then I am not sure how many managers WOULD have taken the job. If this style of football fails in this league for whatever reason, when and if do we change or do Spurs throw us to wall and let us go down before we change it? A club not in charge of its on-field destiny !! Again, if this is complete tosh, then why not come out and say so, and rubbish the Daily Mail story. To me, the silence speaks volumes. Why has this not been investigated or at least written up by the adver is beyond me? After all STFC is a community based club, and the adver a community paper?! It seems like the board have gone at it like a bull in a china shop, Season Tickets changed. Food outlets changed. Concerts - ill conceived. Squad almost completely unrecognizable from last season. All in the space of the close season. The pace of change has been too fast and poorly communicated. I have no doubt that the wages bill needed to be cut, and the squad trimmed, but allow a manager the decency of getting in players who he thinks we get us out of this division. I am sure the board believe they can do a better job of it, and I suspect they are right, because if we don't improve and quickly, we will be out of this division but not heading in the right direction. Like I said, good luck to MC, he and the team (notice I didn't his) will have my full support, win, lose or draw. But I am sorry, but I just can't give my support to the board, unless they radically change how they communicate to the fans about how they run this club, after all this is a business and they need OUR money.[/p][/quote]Excellent post. Note to Oxon and others who suspect that people's mistrust of the owners is about money. It is not. We are Swindon Town supporters. We do not expect our club to be rich, although it would be nice to have that luxury. If money enters into the debate at all, it is at the margins and it is only there because the board chose to bullshiit about it on more than 1 occasion. We are used to being a smallish club on a smallish budget. We have to live with that, even though our flirtation with riches was nice while it lasted. It's the ducking and diving, along with the sense that we are losing our identity, that people find hard to take.[/p][/quote]Den, If it isn't about money then why do we see constant references to the "Cheap Option" etc. I think some (not you) still expect spending to be on a par with the last few years. Cowpats or badly chosen words. Unanswered questions, poor communications or poor questions ? COYMR[/p][/quote]OK Oxon, point taken about the "cheap option" comments. I still don't think that's most people's major concern though. The questions have been good enough. It's just that the more uncomfortable ones get ignored or dismissed with half answers or jokes. We saw it in the answers given at the Trust meeting and it's there on twitter all the time. Anything about socialising seems to get an inexhaustible amount of time (fine, I guess that's what the medium is there for), while serious questions about the club get batted aside with a platitude or two. If twitter is the club's preferred method of communicating with the fans, either the club has chosen a method that doesn't work very well or it is deliberately putting out minimal information. I can hear the cries already: "They don't have to tell the fans everything!" No, they don't, but we are already seeing the effects of the way they disregard the concerns of supporters. It is not people like you and me they have to worry about. We will be there come hell or high water. But look at the attendance for the first home League game - very poor for a day that's is usually eagerly awaited. And look at some of the comments on here. People say we don't need fans like those who talk of staying away. No? If a thousand people protest with their feet, what's that, 20 grand a match down the Swannee? We need them alright - and the club needs to wake up to that fact.. The previous regime may have had some faults but the executive directors, Fitton, Wray and Watkins, worked their arses off to earn our respect and support. We all know about the mismanagement that led to Black pulling the plug in the end but I have no doubt that they were all striving hard for the good of the club. Are this lot really doing that? Oi Den!

6:28pm Tue 20 Aug 13

castle9 says...

bussy1 wrote:
castle9 wrote:
bussy1 wrote:
Oxon-Red wrote:
bussy1 wrote:
buckobassettboy wrote:
louiscassius wrote: Come on lads, We all waited yesterday thinking, Breaking News Mr X.(Big name) was going to be the new Boss. But, deep in our hearts we knew Mark was the guy. You can't drop 50% of the wages in 5 months and expect it all to be good. I think Yeovil was quite on quite a low range budget, but ask yourselves how long their budget has been that way, quite a few years I should think, run by a guy who's operated under those sorts of conditions for a lot of his managerial career. So, consolidation and mix bag time this season I think, but essential to keep the Club afloat. It's not going to be pretty, we all know that, but thank god it's finally arrived and the speculation can now stop. Lets just see if we get a couple more good players in, in the next 11 days.....Could make all the difference in some cases.... Here's to 2014/15 season being a lot more stable and just generally nice.
The last line is so appropriate to my current stance-I am staying away with my money in my pocket.Maybe a token gesture-but as far as throwing money into a regime that feeds us ,the fans,continual rhetoric,deceit and contempt beyond belief is something that I will not contemplate.The 2013-2014 season with the view of consolidation?We already know what that means-a veiled excuse for mediocrity which the incumbent board expect to be bankrolled from the turnstiles by the long suffering fans.Lets face it-since the departure of PDC,the arrival and abject failure of KMAC and now the appointment of Cooper,its been awful and generally the posters on here would concur.Having read the unbiased appraisal of the match on Saturday from a number of posters just makes my personal stance more solid.Every last one of the fans will make their own choice and good luck to them.I will follow the Town until I die-for the moment that does not include financial support.
Well said buckobassettboy. I have watched the town since 1968, but now, like yourself, my money is staying in my pocket. I will not contribute a penny to these clowns running our once great club. This appointment of Cooper was forced on them, no sane person would take the job working under a bunch of amateurs. 12 years ago Swansea fans forced out Mike Lewis. He bought the club for £1 and proceeded to asset strip, selling off all the decent players. Ring any bells? They ousted him just in time to prevent dropping out league football. Until the happy clappers come to their senses, and force out Jed & Co., this club is on a downward spiral.
We have SOLD two players, two, hardly asset stripping.

Force out Jed !!!

Then what ??????

More substance please and I might listen.

COYMR
Your being pedantic Oxon-red. We may have only SOLD two players, but we got rid of many half decent ones.So you don't think getting rid of players on free transfers like Ferry and McCormack Is asset stripping?
Force Jed out and then what? Look at Swansea now!
Am I missing something here? Can you explain to me how getting rid of players on free transfers is asset stripping???

Last time I looked in the dictionary asset stripping was defined as making money out of selling your assets. All this did was reduce our salary bill moving forwards in order to go some way towards keeping Swindon Town in business.
Your being as pedantic as Oxon Red. McCormack didn't leave over salary issues, he wanted a two year contract. And when he signed for Brentford, Jed had the gall to say we would gladly have him back, and had "verbally" offered him a 2 year contract.
Didn't back up your argument about asset stripping then!
[quote][p][bold]bussy1[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]castle9[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]bussy1[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Oxon-Red[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]bussy1[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]buckobassettboy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]louiscassius[/bold] wrote: Come on lads, We all waited yesterday thinking, Breaking News Mr X.(Big name) was going to be the new Boss. But, deep in our hearts we knew Mark was the guy. You can't drop 50% of the wages in 5 months and expect it all to be good. I think Yeovil was quite on quite a low range budget, but ask yourselves how long their budget has been that way, quite a few years I should think, run by a guy who's operated under those sorts of conditions for a lot of his managerial career. So, consolidation and mix bag time this season I think, but essential to keep the Club afloat. It's not going to be pretty, we all know that, but thank god it's finally arrived and the speculation can now stop. Lets just see if we get a couple more good players in, in the next 11 days.....Could make all the difference in some cases.... Here's to 2014/15 season being a lot more stable and just generally nice.[/p][/quote]The last line is so appropriate to my current stance-I am staying away with my money in my pocket.Maybe a token gesture-but as far as throwing money into a regime that feeds us ,the fans,continual rhetoric,deceit and contempt beyond belief is something that I will not contemplate.The 2013-2014 season with the view of consolidation?We already know what that means-a veiled excuse for mediocrity which the incumbent board expect to be bankrolled from the turnstiles by the long suffering fans.Lets face it-since the departure of PDC,the arrival and abject failure of KMAC and now the appointment of Cooper,its been awful and generally the posters on here would concur.Having read the unbiased appraisal of the match on Saturday from a number of posters just makes my personal stance more solid.Every last one of the fans will make their own choice and good luck to them.I will follow the Town until I die-for the moment that does not include financial support.[/p][/quote]Well said buckobassettboy. I have watched the town since 1968, but now, like yourself, my money is staying in my pocket. I will not contribute a penny to these clowns running our once great club. This appointment of Cooper was forced on them, no sane person would take the job working under a bunch of amateurs. 12 years ago Swansea fans forced out Mike Lewis. He bought the club for £1 and proceeded to asset strip, selling off all the decent players. Ring any bells? They ousted him just in time to prevent dropping out league football. Until the happy clappers come to their senses, and force out Jed & Co., this club is on a downward spiral.[/p][/quote]We have SOLD two players, two, hardly asset stripping. Force out Jed !!! Then what ?????? More substance please and I might listen. COYMR[/p][/quote]Your being pedantic Oxon-red. We may have only SOLD two players, but we got rid of many half decent ones.So you don't think getting rid of players on free transfers like Ferry and McCormack Is asset stripping? Force Jed out and then what? Look at Swansea now![/p][/quote]Am I missing something here? Can you explain to me how getting rid of players on free transfers is asset stripping??? Last time I looked in the dictionary asset stripping was defined as making money out of selling your assets. All this did was reduce our salary bill moving forwards in order to go some way towards keeping Swindon Town in business.[/p][/quote]Your being as pedantic as Oxon Red. McCormack didn't leave over salary issues, he wanted a two year contract. And when he signed for Brentford, Jed had the gall to say we would gladly have him back, and had "verbally" offered him a 2 year contract.[/p][/quote]Didn't back up your argument about asset stripping then! castle9

6:41pm Tue 20 Aug 13

castle9 says...

Oi Den! wrote:
Oxon-Red wrote:
Oi Den! wrote:
wobble-o-3 wrote: Good Luck to MC, he is going to need it. Whether he is the boards puppet or not, one thing remains very clear. Never I have ever known a board to polarize the fans opinions as much as this one. I have to say personally I don't like they way they are running the club, which may be with all the best intentions. For instance: The lack of proper communication - not just tit bits from Jeds personal twitter - that is not a professional way to communicate with your clients. Perhaps if the club communicated in a professional manner, this forum wouldn't be so negative and thus stop "potential investors from investing" - Really! Becoming a feeder club for Spurs - by all means take some of their players on loan - but to HAVE to play and train in a certain way and be overseen by their coaches - how is that good for OUR clubs development? IF this is true then I am not sure how many managers WOULD have taken the job. If this style of football fails in this league for whatever reason, when and if do we change or do Spurs throw us to wall and let us go down before we change it? A club not in charge of its on-field destiny !! Again, if this is complete tosh, then why not come out and say so, and rubbish the Daily Mail story. To me, the silence speaks volumes. Why has this not been investigated or at least written up by the adver is beyond me? After all STFC is a community based club, and the adver a community paper?! It seems like the board have gone at it like a bull in a china shop, Season Tickets changed. Food outlets changed. Concerts - ill conceived. Squad almost completely unrecognizable from last season. All in the space of the close season. The pace of change has been too fast and poorly communicated. I have no doubt that the wages bill needed to be cut, and the squad trimmed, but allow a manager the decency of getting in players who he thinks we get us out of this division. I am sure the board believe they can do a better job of it, and I suspect they are right, because if we don't improve and quickly, we will be out of this division but not heading in the right direction. Like I said, good luck to MC, he and the team (notice I didn't his) will have my full support, win, lose or draw. But I am sorry, but I just can't give my support to the board, unless they radically change how they communicate to the fans about how they run this club, after all this is a business and they need OUR money.
Excellent post. Note to Oxon and others who suspect that people's mistrust of the owners is about money. It is not. We are Swindon Town supporters. We do not expect our club to be rich, although it would be nice to have that luxury. If money enters into the debate at all, it is at the margins and it is only there because the board chose to bullshiit about it on more than 1 occasion. We are used to being a smallish club on a smallish budget. We have to live with that, even though our flirtation with riches was nice while it lasted. It's the ducking and diving, along with the sense that we are losing our identity, that people find hard to take.
Den,

If it isn't about money then why do we see constant references to the "Cheap Option" etc. I think some (not you) still expect spending to be on a par with the last few years.

Cowpats or badly chosen words.

Unanswered questions, poor communications or poor questions ?

COYMR
OK Oxon, point taken about the "cheap option" comments. I still don't think that's most people's major concern though.

The questions have been good enough. It's just that the more uncomfortable ones get ignored or dismissed with half answers or jokes. We saw it in the answers given at the Trust meeting and it's there on twitter all the time. Anything about socialising seems to get an inexhaustible amount of time (fine, I guess that's what the medium is there for), while serious questions about the club get batted aside with a platitude or two. If twitter is the club's preferred method of communicating with the fans, either the club has chosen a method that doesn't work very well or it is deliberately putting out minimal information.

I can hear the cries already: "They don't have to tell the fans everything!" No, they don't, but we are already seeing the effects of the way they disregard the concerns of supporters. It is not people like you and me they have to worry about. We will be there come hell or high water. But look at the attendance for the first home League game - very poor for a day that's is usually eagerly awaited. And look at some of the comments on here. People say we don't need fans like those who talk of staying away. No? If a thousand people protest with their feet, what's that, 20 grand a match down the Swannee? We need them alright - and the club needs to wake up to that fact.. The previous regime may have had some faults but the executive directors, Fitton, Wray and Watkins, worked their arses off to earn our respect and support. We all know about the mismanagement that led to Black pulling the plug in the end but I have no doubt that they were all striving hard for the good of the club. Are this lot really doing that?
Den,

I had similar feelings to yourself until recently.

Last Saturday I met Jed in the pub before the Shrews game and he came across as a genuine football fan like you and me.

He knows that he and his business partners are lacking in the communication department and he does want to try and put that right - along with all the other mistakes he openly acknowledges that they have made since they took over.

To be fair, amongst other things, they arranged some business presentations that were not that well attended despite the amount of carping that goes on here.

I think it is also clear that they do not have anywhere near the financial backing of the previous regime. However, they came in and took over the Club at a time when there were few others prepared to do so. The reality was the takeover or administration.

With the lack of financial backing comes prudence in order to ensure the long term viability of the football club. Something that unites all of us.

Yes they are making mistakes and Jed openly admitted that - but he was very enthusiastic about turning the Club round and moving forward.

To do that we need everyone behind them, supporting whoever wears the shirt and whoever is the manager. Anything else is counter productive.

If anyone else is prepared to put money in and help out I know that Jed would take that on board, but the fact is we are short of options currently - much as we would like a sugar daddy to bankroll the Club.
[quote][p][bold]Oi Den![/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Oxon-Red[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Oi Den![/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]wobble-o-3[/bold] wrote: Good Luck to MC, he is going to need it. Whether he is the boards puppet or not, one thing remains very clear. Never I have ever known a board to polarize the fans opinions as much as this one. I have to say personally I don't like they way they are running the club, which may be with all the best intentions. For instance: The lack of proper communication - not just tit bits from Jeds personal twitter - that is not a professional way to communicate with your clients. Perhaps if the club communicated in a professional manner, this forum wouldn't be so negative and thus stop "potential investors from investing" - Really! Becoming a feeder club for Spurs - by all means take some of their players on loan - but to HAVE to play and train in a certain way and be overseen by their coaches - how is that good for OUR clubs development? IF this is true then I am not sure how many managers WOULD have taken the job. If this style of football fails in this league for whatever reason, when and if do we change or do Spurs throw us to wall and let us go down before we change it? A club not in charge of its on-field destiny !! Again, if this is complete tosh, then why not come out and say so, and rubbish the Daily Mail story. To me, the silence speaks volumes. Why has this not been investigated or at least written up by the adver is beyond me? After all STFC is a community based club, and the adver a community paper?! It seems like the board have gone at it like a bull in a china shop, Season Tickets changed. Food outlets changed. Concerts - ill conceived. Squad almost completely unrecognizable from last season. All in the space of the close season. The pace of change has been too fast and poorly communicated. I have no doubt that the wages bill needed to be cut, and the squad trimmed, but allow a manager the decency of getting in players who he thinks we get us out of this division. I am sure the board believe they can do a better job of it, and I suspect they are right, because if we don't improve and quickly, we will be out of this division but not heading in the right direction. Like I said, good luck to MC, he and the team (notice I didn't his) will have my full support, win, lose or draw. But I am sorry, but I just can't give my support to the board, unless they radically change how they communicate to the fans about how they run this club, after all this is a business and they need OUR money.[/p][/quote]Excellent post. Note to Oxon and others who suspect that people's mistrust of the owners is about money. It is not. We are Swindon Town supporters. We do not expect our club to be rich, although it would be nice to have that luxury. If money enters into the debate at all, it is at the margins and it is only there because the board chose to bullshiit about it on more than 1 occasion. We are used to being a smallish club on a smallish budget. We have to live with that, even though our flirtation with riches was nice while it lasted. It's the ducking and diving, along with the sense that we are losing our identity, that people find hard to take.[/p][/quote]Den, If it isn't about money then why do we see constant references to the "Cheap Option" etc. I think some (not you) still expect spending to be on a par with the last few years. Cowpats or badly chosen words. Unanswered questions, poor communications or poor questions ? COYMR[/p][/quote]OK Oxon, point taken about the "cheap option" comments. I still don't think that's most people's major concern though. The questions have been good enough. It's just that the more uncomfortable ones get ignored or dismissed with half answers or jokes. We saw it in the answers given at the Trust meeting and it's there on twitter all the time. Anything about socialising seems to get an inexhaustible amount of time (fine, I guess that's what the medium is there for), while serious questions about the club get batted aside with a platitude or two. If twitter is the club's preferred method of communicating with the fans, either the club has chosen a method that doesn't work very well or it is deliberately putting out minimal information. I can hear the cries already: "They don't have to tell the fans everything!" No, they don't, but we are already seeing the effects of the way they disregard the concerns of supporters. It is not people like you and me they have to worry about. We will be there come hell or high water. But look at the attendance for the first home League game - very poor for a day that's is usually eagerly awaited. And look at some of the comments on here. People say we don't need fans like those who talk of staying away. No? If a thousand people protest with their feet, what's that, 20 grand a match down the Swannee? We need them alright - and the club needs to wake up to that fact.. The previous regime may have had some faults but the executive directors, Fitton, Wray and Watkins, worked their arses off to earn our respect and support. We all know about the mismanagement that led to Black pulling the plug in the end but I have no doubt that they were all striving hard for the good of the club. Are this lot really doing that?[/p][/quote]Den, I had similar feelings to yourself until recently. Last Saturday I met Jed in the pub before the Shrews game and he came across as a genuine football fan like you and me. He knows that he and his business partners are lacking in the communication department and he does want to try and put that right - along with all the other mistakes he openly acknowledges that they have made since they took over. To be fair, amongst other things, they arranged some business presentations that were not that well attended despite the amount of carping that goes on here. I think it is also clear that they do not have anywhere near the financial backing of the previous regime. However, they came in and took over the Club at a time when there were few others prepared to do so. The reality was the takeover or administration. With the lack of financial backing comes prudence in order to ensure the long term viability of the football club. Something that unites all of us. Yes they are making mistakes and Jed openly admitted that - but he was very enthusiastic about turning the Club round and moving forward. To do that we need everyone behind them, supporting whoever wears the shirt and whoever is the manager. Anything else is counter productive. If anyone else is prepared to put money in and help out I know that Jed would take that on board, but the fact is we are short of options currently - much as we would like a sugar daddy to bankroll the Club. castle9

8:36pm Tue 20 Aug 13

Oi Den! says...

Castle, it's all very well saying they made mistakes but there are mistakes and there is being economical with the truth.

Why did the Chairman and his co-directors mislead the supporters and/or the previous manager on the matters of the playing budget ("same as previously but to be spent more wisely"), the signing of new players and the selling/releasing of existing ones ("that will be up to Kevin"), the reasons (still awaited promised explanation) for the transfer embargo and how it came to be lifted miraculously at the last minute?

Why did the Chairman block any further communication from a shareholder whose misdemeanour was to ask him politely if he would consider holding a shareholders' meeting to discuss the club's finances?

Are we seriously supposed to believe that these were just errors in communication? There is a pattern here and it's not an unattractive one. The policy seems to be "We'll say what we like and when people find out it wasn't true, we'll just say we made a mistake."

I will support the new manager, as I always support any Town manager, and if - as I believe - we have a very poor season, it is unlikely that I'll be blaming him for it.

Anyway, I'm going to please a few people by signing off from here until later in the season. I have a feeling there will be a lot more to talk about in a couple of months' time.
Castle, it's all very well saying they made mistakes but there are mistakes and there is being economical with the truth. Why did the Chairman and his co-directors mislead the supporters and/or the previous manager on the matters of the playing budget ("same as previously but to be spent more wisely"), the signing of new players and the selling/releasing of existing ones ("that will be up to Kevin"), the reasons (still awaited promised explanation) for the transfer embargo and how it came to be lifted miraculously at the last minute? Why did the Chairman block any further communication from a shareholder whose misdemeanour was to ask him politely if he would consider holding a shareholders' meeting to discuss the club's finances? Are we seriously supposed to believe that these were just errors in communication? There is a pattern here and it's not an unattractive one. The policy seems to be "We'll say what we like and when people find out it wasn't true, we'll just say we made a mistake." I will support the new manager, as I always support any Town manager, and if - as I believe - we have a very poor season, it is unlikely that I'll be blaming him for it. Anyway, I'm going to please a few people by signing off from here until later in the season. I have a feeling there will be a lot more to talk about in a couple of months' time. Oi Den!

12:15am Wed 21 Aug 13

Oxon-Red says...

Oi Den! wrote:
Castle, it's all very well saying they made mistakes but there are mistakes and there is being economical with the truth. Why did the Chairman and his co-directors mislead the supporters and/or the previous manager on the matters of the playing budget ("same as previously but to be spent more wisely"), the signing of new players and the selling/releasing of existing ones ("that will be up to Kevin"), the reasons (still awaited promised explanation) for the transfer embargo and how it came to be lifted miraculously at the last minute? Why did the Chairman block any further communication from a shareholder whose misdemeanour was to ask him politely if he would consider holding a shareholders' meeting to discuss the club's finances? Are we seriously supposed to believe that these were just errors in communication? There is a pattern here and it's not an unattractive one. The policy seems to be "We'll say what we like and when people find out it wasn't true, we'll just say we made a mistake." I will support the new manager, as I always support any Town manager, and if - as I believe - we have a very poor season, it is unlikely that I'll be blaming him for it. Anyway, I'm going to please a few people by signing off from here until later in the season. I have a feeling there will be a lot more to talk about in a couple of months' time.
Hi Den,

I vaguely remember a poster on here saying he had been blocked on twitter and I will take your word for it. But I would ask if you know the person outside of this forum (if it is the same one) and if you know if he received a reply but continued to ask the same question, bit like me and you :-)

I only ask because I could understand the reason for blocking someone if you feel you have replied and continually get asked the same question. Bit like those bl00dy phone calls you get trying to sell you double glazing (why do they always phone 2 minutes into a meal ?).

The same budget, I have searched for quotes on this site for that and only found one article shortly after they took over and close to the time when one of the consortium (one with investment ?) left. The embargo was around the same time and any chance of KMac signing his own players went out of the window.

No suggestions regarding the lifting of the embargo but quite often these matters do happen at the last minute, especially in football.

IMO we are better off than we could have been and we should now look to the future. The dark days of January and February are behind us and we are not -4 and playing at home 40 odd miles from our natural base.

I hope you continue to read the boards and chip in now and again despite your misgivings. It is good to have a healthy debate without resorting to insults and for that reason you will be missed. I personnally hope you don't sign-off, but if you do, don't stay away too long.

COYMR
[quote][p][bold]Oi Den![/bold] wrote: Castle, it's all very well saying they made mistakes but there are mistakes and there is being economical with the truth. Why did the Chairman and his co-directors mislead the supporters and/or the previous manager on the matters of the playing budget ("same as previously but to be spent more wisely"), the signing of new players and the selling/releasing of existing ones ("that will be up to Kevin"), the reasons (still awaited promised explanation) for the transfer embargo and how it came to be lifted miraculously at the last minute? Why did the Chairman block any further communication from a shareholder whose misdemeanour was to ask him politely if he would consider holding a shareholders' meeting to discuss the club's finances? Are we seriously supposed to believe that these were just errors in communication? There is a pattern here and it's not an unattractive one. The policy seems to be "We'll say what we like and when people find out it wasn't true, we'll just say we made a mistake." I will support the new manager, as I always support any Town manager, and if - as I believe - we have a very poor season, it is unlikely that I'll be blaming him for it. Anyway, I'm going to please a few people by signing off from here until later in the season. I have a feeling there will be a lot more to talk about in a couple of months' time.[/p][/quote]Hi Den, I vaguely remember a poster on here saying he had been blocked on twitter and I will take your word for it. But I would ask if you know the person outside of this forum (if it is the same one) and if you know if he received a reply but continued to ask the same question, bit like me and you :-) I only ask because I could understand the reason for blocking someone if you feel you have replied and continually get asked the same question. Bit like those bl00dy phone calls you get trying to sell you double glazing (why do they always phone 2 minutes into a meal ?). The same budget, I have searched for quotes on this site for that and only found one article shortly after they took over and close to the time when one of the consortium (one with investment ?) left. The embargo was around the same time and any chance of KMac signing his own players went out of the window. No suggestions regarding the lifting of the embargo but quite often these matters do happen at the last minute, especially in football. IMO we are better off than we could have been and we should now look to the future. The dark days of January and February are behind us and we are not -4 and playing at home 40 odd miles from our natural base. I hope you continue to read the boards and chip in now and again despite your misgivings. It is good to have a healthy debate without resorting to insults and for that reason you will be missed. I personnally hope you don't sign-off, but if you do, don't stay away too long. COYMR Oxon-Red

11:42am Wed 21 Aug 13

Oi Den! says...

Oxon-Red wrote:
Oi Den! wrote:
Castle, it's all very well saying they made mistakes but there are mistakes and there is being economical with the truth. Why did the Chairman and his co-directors mislead the supporters and/or the previous manager on the matters of the playing budget ("same as previously but to be spent more wisely"), the signing of new players and the selling/releasing of existing ones ("that will be up to Kevin"), the reasons (still awaited promised explanation) for the transfer embargo and how it came to be lifted miraculously at the last minute? Why did the Chairman block any further communication from a shareholder whose misdemeanour was to ask him politely if he would consider holding a shareholders' meeting to discuss the club's finances? Are we seriously supposed to believe that these were just errors in communication? There is a pattern here and it's not an unattractive one. The policy seems to be "We'll say what we like and when people find out it wasn't true, we'll just say we made a mistake." I will support the new manager, as I always support any Town manager, and if - as I believe - we have a very poor season, it is unlikely that I'll be blaming him for it. Anyway, I'm going to please a few people by signing off from here until later in the season. I have a feeling there will be a lot more to talk about in a couple of months' time.
Hi Den,

I vaguely remember a poster on here saying he had been blocked on twitter and I will take your word for it. But I would ask if you know the person outside of this forum (if it is the same one) and if you know if he received a reply but continued to ask the same question, bit like me and you :-)

I only ask because I could understand the reason for blocking someone if you feel you have replied and continually get asked the same question. Bit like those bl00dy phone calls you get trying to sell you double glazing (why do they always phone 2 minutes into a meal ?).

The same budget, I have searched for quotes on this site for that and only found one article shortly after they took over and close to the time when one of the consortium (one with investment ?) left. The embargo was around the same time and any chance of KMac signing his own players went out of the window.

No suggestions regarding the lifting of the embargo but quite often these matters do happen at the last minute, especially in football.

IMO we are better off than we could have been and we should now look to the future. The dark days of January and February are behind us and we are not -4 and playing at home 40 odd miles from our natural base.

I hope you continue to read the boards and chip in now and again despite your misgivings. It is good to have a healthy debate without resorting to insults and for that reason you will be missed. I personnally hope you don't sign-off, but if you do, don't stay away too long.

COYMR
Yes Oxon, I'll still be keeping in touch with what's happening on here.

I won't reply to your questions/observatio
ns because it would defeat the object of my last sentence above and we'd just carry on going round in circles.

I just noticed my unintentional double negative in the post above. "... not an unattractive one." was meant to be "...not an attractive one" of course.

Definitely time for me to take a break!

And thanks for the kind words. As you know, I'm pessimistic about the coming season. Let's hope I'm wrong and we're all in for an entertaining and successful one.
[quote][p][bold]Oxon-Red[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Oi Den![/bold] wrote: Castle, it's all very well saying they made mistakes but there are mistakes and there is being economical with the truth. Why did the Chairman and his co-directors mislead the supporters and/or the previous manager on the matters of the playing budget ("same as previously but to be spent more wisely"), the signing of new players and the selling/releasing of existing ones ("that will be up to Kevin"), the reasons (still awaited promised explanation) for the transfer embargo and how it came to be lifted miraculously at the last minute? Why did the Chairman block any further communication from a shareholder whose misdemeanour was to ask him politely if he would consider holding a shareholders' meeting to discuss the club's finances? Are we seriously supposed to believe that these were just errors in communication? There is a pattern here and it's not an unattractive one. The policy seems to be "We'll say what we like and when people find out it wasn't true, we'll just say we made a mistake." I will support the new manager, as I always support any Town manager, and if - as I believe - we have a very poor season, it is unlikely that I'll be blaming him for it. Anyway, I'm going to please a few people by signing off from here until later in the season. I have a feeling there will be a lot more to talk about in a couple of months' time.[/p][/quote]Hi Den, I vaguely remember a poster on here saying he had been blocked on twitter and I will take your word for it. But I would ask if you know the person outside of this forum (if it is the same one) and if you know if he received a reply but continued to ask the same question, bit like me and you :-) I only ask because I could understand the reason for blocking someone if you feel you have replied and continually get asked the same question. Bit like those bl00dy phone calls you get trying to sell you double glazing (why do they always phone 2 minutes into a meal ?). The same budget, I have searched for quotes on this site for that and only found one article shortly after they took over and close to the time when one of the consortium (one with investment ?) left. The embargo was around the same time and any chance of KMac signing his own players went out of the window. No suggestions regarding the lifting of the embargo but quite often these matters do happen at the last minute, especially in football. IMO we are better off than we could have been and we should now look to the future. The dark days of January and February are behind us and we are not -4 and playing at home 40 odd miles from our natural base. I hope you continue to read the boards and chip in now and again despite your misgivings. It is good to have a healthy debate without resorting to insults and for that reason you will be missed. I personnally hope you don't sign-off, but if you do, don't stay away too long. COYMR[/p][/quote]Yes Oxon, I'll still be keeping in touch with what's happening on here. I won't reply to your questions/observatio ns because it would defeat the object of my last sentence above and we'd just carry on going round in circles. I just noticed my unintentional double negative in the post above. "... not an unattractive one." was meant to be "...not an attractive one" of course. Definitely time for me to take a break! And thanks for the kind words. As you know, I'm pessimistic about the coming season. Let's hope I'm wrong and we're all in for an entertaining and successful one. Oi Den!

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