Shrewsbury chasing Town for unpaid Collins fee (From The Wiltshire Gazette and Herald)

Typical cheap shot from Turner.

Bugger off Turner and your opinions! You're still angry Collins decided to leave you in the first place - Get over it!

I'm sure this will be sorted now the new owners are in charge. Like Collins is going to go back to Shrewsbury. I think not. Sorry Graham nice try though

Shut up Turner - so Shrewsbury pay all their bills on time - Dream on Turner you idiot.

Calling into question the business model at Swindon (which may well be a bit ropey to be fair) is a bit rich when he's talked about trying to buy back a player they sold a few months ago - where's the sound business model there?

It does confirm though that all the Town squad were offered on the cheap in a fire sale.

The question remains if Di Canio was in the loop about this?

It's Di Canios heavy spending that brought on the cheap sale of our players. Defo not an efficient business man are u Paolo?

Since 1950 wrote:
It does confirm though that all the Town squad were offered on the cheap in a fire sale. The question remains if Di Canio was in the loop about this?

I think that was confirmed already - didn't need Turner to (re)confirm it. Truth is, I really do not think it matters anymore. Onwards and upwards

Could it have been that the payment wasn't made because we had no-one in charge?

Cue the headlines in the Sun/Mirror/Mail !

COYMR

If everything in the article is true, he's got a fair point. I think we'd feel pretty miffed if we lost one of our best players to a club in the same division and then found the buyers defaulting on the fee. It distorts the whole competition. To be honest, I'm surprised there's no sanction in the form of a points deduction. Some bias towards our own club is only natural but I'm sure some people will swear black is white because of which side of the fence we're on. And if all our squad were put up for sale, I don't blame anyone for trying to get a bargain. Wouldn't we do the same?

We are Swindon we pay when we want.

TheDukeOfBanbury wrote:
We are Swindon we pay when we want.

You sound like my wife Duke!LOL!!!!!!

Oi Den! wrote:
If everything in the article is true, he's got a fair point. I think we'd feel pretty miffed if we lost one of our best players to a club in the same division and then found the buyers defaulting on the fee. It distorts the whole competition. To be honest, I'm surprised there's no sanction in the form of a points deduction. Some bias towards our own club is only natural but I'm sure some people will swear black is white because of which side of the fence we're on. And if all our squad were put up for sale, I don't blame anyone for trying to get a bargain. Wouldn't we do the same?

I was just going to post the same thing Den! If we owe Shrewsbury money then we should make sure we make that payment on time, as Den said if another club was late paying us then i am sure we would all be very miffed? And dont forget that most business run on a budget so Shrewsbury may have been relying on that money to buy or loan another player or pay other bills so that may well put them in an awkward position. I really hope we can sort our finances out and run our club properly in future, i find it very embarrassing to keep having our name dragged through the mud. Because of all this financial mess it could be that in future clubs will only deal with us on a "money up front" basis which be penalise us. I dont blame Turner for highlighting this if it is true...sort it out please Jed and lets all move on.

They can have williams lol.

Since 1950 wrote:
It does confirm though that all the Town squad were offered on the cheap in a fire sale.

The question remains if Di Canio was in the loop about this?

I don't know if Pdc knew about fire sale but I do know for a fact that he knew about Matt Ritchie going to Boremouth
and he's telling lies when he says he didn't .

Always red wrote:

Since 1950 wrote:
It does confirm though that all the Town squad were offered on the cheap in a fire sale.

The question remains if Di Canio was in the loop about this?

I don't know if Pdc knew about fire sale but I do know for a fact that he knew about Matt Ritchie going to Boremouth
and he's telling lies when he says he didn't .

You dont know nothing, dont slander someones name, are you the GUV???

STFCman&boy1973 wrote:

Always red wrote:

Since 1950 wrote:
It does confirm though that all the Town squad were offered on the cheap in a fire sale.

The question remains if Di Canio was in the loop about this?

I don't know if Pdc knew about fire sale but I do know for a fact that he knew about Matt Ritchie going to Boremouth
and he's telling lies when he says he didn't .

You dont know nothing, dont slander someones name, are you the GUV???

You don't know me you don't know what I know! I've been watching the town for 40 years they are in my blood so I'm hardly going to come on here and make up stories.
I have given you a fact that I know take it or leave it .

Smacks of yet another cheap shot from Turner. A thoroughly unlikeable individual.

OK if Turners club are entilted to this OK,yet now new ownersare in Place does this make a difference?????
if not the Town must pay what is due to Hrewsbury it´s there right can anyone say what is due to Turners team?????

Always red wrote:

STFCman&boy1973 wrote:

Always red wrote:

Since 1950 wrote:
It does confirm though that all the Town squad were offered on the cheap in a fire sale.

The question remains if Di Canio was in the loop about this?

I don't know if Pdc knew about fire sale but I do know for a fact that he knew about Matt Ritchie going to Boremouth
and he's telling lies when he says he didn't .

You dont know nothing, dont slander someones name, are you the GUV???

You don't know me you don't know what I know! I've been watching the town for 40 years they are in my blood so I'm hardly going to come on here and make up stories.
I have given you a fact that I know take it or leave it .

if this is a fact that you claim is true, why didnt you come out and say so before, now that di canio as left lets not take his name in vain, all tho he left with out no thanks or kiss my ****, what he done here was amazing and what he achieved

MITTED wrote:
Smacks of yet another cheap shot from Turner. A thoroughly unlikeable individual.

"They’re a decent, well-supported club, but the principles of the way they’ve gone about it are wrong. It's good business to try and live within your means and when you get clubs who are reckless with their spending it makes the playing field uneven."
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Why is that a cheap shot? It sounds like commonsense and fairness to me.

MITTED wrote:
Smacks of yet another cheap shot from Turner. A thoroughly unlikeable individual.

When did Town fans get so touchy about everything? If Bournemouth don't pay on time for Ritchie no one would be bothered then?

arkells wrote:

Always red wrote:

STFCman&boy1973 wrote:

Always red wrote:

Since 1950 wrote:
It does confirm though that all the Town squad were offered on the cheap in a fire sale.

The question remains if Di Canio was in the loop about this?

I don't know if Pdc knew about fire sale but I do know for a fact that he knew about Matt Ritchie going to Boremouth
and he's telling lies when he says he didn't .

You dont know nothing, dont slander someones name, are you the GUV???

You don't know me you don't know what I know! I've been watching the town for 40 years they are in my blood so I'm hardly going to come on here and make up stories.
I have given you a fact that I know take it or leave it .

if this is a fact that you claim is true, why didnt you come out and say so before, now that di canio as left lets not take his name in vain, all tho he left with out no thanks or kiss my ****, what he done here was amazing and what he achieved

I am not having a pop at Paolo just for the sake of it , while he was here things were brilliant & his passion was top drawer.
I was trying to answer a question that was asked.
It's still doesn't hide the fact that Pdc dropped us in it !

Oi Den! wrote:

MITTED wrote: Smacks of yet another cheap shot from Turner. A thoroughly unlikeable individual.

"They’re a decent, well-supported club, but the principles of the way they’ve gone about it are wrong. It's good business to try and live within your means and when you get clubs who are reckless with their spending it makes the playing field uneven." . Why is that a cheap shot? It sounds like commonsense and fairness to me.

Well said Oi Den..
This just goes to show WHY jw was sacked by black..

He all so said pdc was very hard to work with..
This could be 1 on the reasons why black wonted out.

This may just be a timing issue; it may be slightly disingenuous (when did the latest payment become payable?) If we are struggling to pay a £20k bill then we have real problems though. Time will tell. If we owe them, we should pay when it is due; end of.

Lazaat wrote:

Oi Den! wrote:
If everything in the article is true, he's got a fair point. I think we'd feel pretty miffed if we lost one of our best players to a club in the same division and then found the buyers defaulting on the fee. It distorts the whole competition. To be honest, I'm surprised there's no sanction in the form of a points deduction. Some bias towards our own club is only natural but I'm sure some people will swear black is white because of which side of the fence we're on. And if all our squad were put up for sale, I don't blame anyone for trying to get a bargain. Wouldn't we do the same?

I was just going to post the same thing Den! If we owe Shrewsbury money then we should make sure we make that payment on time, as Den said if another club was late paying us then i am sure we would all be very miffed? And dont forget that most business run on a budget so Shrewsbury may have been relying on that money to buy or loan another player or pay other bills so that may well put them in an awkward position. I really hope we can sort our finances out and run our club properly in future, i find it very embarrassing to keep having our name dragged through the mud. Because of all this financial mess it could be that in future clubs will only deal with us on a "money up front" basis which be penalise us. I dont blame Turner for highlighting this if it is true...sort it out please Jed and lets all move on.

For God sake Den & Lazaat, the new board haven't even been in office for more than 3 working days, you both might be high on principles, but without knowing the details as to when we should pay them for Collins playing 15 games why are you just taking the word of Turner? I know of many very large businesses that don't pay inside 90 days of an invoice being received, if Shrews submitted one in the period of limbo what more do they expect than to wait until Seebeck has invested some funds. Nobody at Swindon has come out and said we are not paying this money, in fact if they were that bothered about £20k they would have just not played him when he reached 14 games.

Sorry, but this is sour grapes from Turner, glad we took 6 points off him and I would have expected 2 guys of your standing to have supported the new board and not sided with a whinger like Turner who tried to steal one of our assets back

mallorca wrote:
OK if Turners club are entilted to this OK,yet now new ownersare in Place does this make a difference?????
if not the Town must pay what is due to Hrewsbury it´s there right can anyone say what is due to Turners team?????

Read the story in full! £140,000 upfront and then £20,000 for each 15 games played up to 60 games in total. 20,000 x 4, so we will pay an extra £ 80,000 in total.......

jevs wrote:

MITTED wrote:
Smacks of yet another cheap shot from Turner. A thoroughly unlikeable individual.

When did Town fans get so touchy about everything? If Bournemouth don't pay on time for Ritchie no one would be bothered then?

We will see if they pay when the add-ons come in as Nick Watkins said this was a more cash upfront than the previous offer but still had some installments. Lets see if your owner buggers off and you can survive on 6,000 gates.....

Surely if this was a major problem the FA would have held up the takeover until we paid them. Has it just come into effect after Saturdays game in which case the cheque is in the post.

So many thought that Turner was a real Gent....me included....up until he made those really nasty and spiteful remarks a season or so ago - this just underlines that he has never got over 'that' match or Paolo.
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There's not even any consideration for the fact that we've been going through all sorts...
...having said that he's a well balanced individual - A chip on BOTH shoulders

I'm in business. If a company replaces their board and they owe us money we would give them the new owners a call - not go to the press about a debt left overdue by an outgoing board. Nice welcome from the shrews to our new board isnt it.

old town robin wrote:

Lazaat wrote:

Oi Den! wrote:
If everything in the article is true, he's got a fair point. I think we'd feel pretty miffed if we lost one of our best players to a club in the same division and then found the buyers defaulting on the fee. It distorts the whole competition. To be honest, I'm surprised there's no sanction in the form of a points deduction. Some bias towards our own club is only natural but I'm sure some people will swear black is white because of which side of the fence we're on. And if all our squad were put up for sale, I don't blame anyone for trying to get a bargain. Wouldn't we do the same?

I was just going to post the same thing Den! If we owe Shrewsbury money then we should make sure we make that payment on time, as Den said if another club was late paying us then i am sure we would all be very miffed? And dont forget that most business run on a budget so Shrewsbury may have been relying on that money to buy or loan another player or pay other bills so that may well put them in an awkward position. I really hope we can sort our finances out and run our club properly in future, i find it very embarrassing to keep having our name dragged through the mud. Because of all this financial mess it could be that in future clubs will only deal with us on a "money up front" basis which be penalise us. I dont blame Turner for highlighting this if it is true...sort it out please Jed and lets all move on.

For God sake Den & Lazaat, the new board haven't even been in office for more than 3 working days, you both might be high on principles, but without knowing the details as to when we should pay them for Collins playing 15 games why are you just taking the word of Turner? I know of many very large businesses that don't pay inside 90 days of an invoice being received, if Shrews submitted one in the period of limbo what more do they expect than to wait until Seebeck has invested some funds. Nobody at Swindon has come out and said we are not paying this money, in fact if they were that bothered about £20k they would have just not played him when he reached 14 games.

Sorry, but this is sour grapes from Turner, glad we took 6 points off him and I would have expected 2 guys of your standing to have supported the new board and not sided with a whinger like Turner who tried to steal one of our assets back

OTR, first of all you have ignored what I said in my first few words "If this is true..."

It's not a matter of being high on principles. It's a simple question of protecting the integrity of the competition. We went to a tribunal to get the player, knowing that we would have to accept the outcome.
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You talk of high principles and then you accuse a club of trying to steal one of our assets by making a legitimate offer for him.

Didn't really finish what I was saying. OTR, if you are trying to tell us you'd have the same view if the roles were reversed, I would ask you to pull the other one. I think you'd take a very different stance on "principles".

I don't know why you think Turner is a whinger. I think he is a thoroughly decent bloke. Furthermore, If the facts as stated are correct, I don't see how he can be wrong.

We had a huge financial advantage over most of our rivals anyway. Now, those rivals might think it's unfair but that's tough - it's within the rules. But it must seem like a massive kick in the goolies when a club not only uses that advantage to great effect but follows that by not meeting it's obligations.

Oh, for any apostrophe pedants (like me) apologies for the rogue one above - should have been "its".

MITTED wrote:
Smacks of yet another cheap shot from Turner. A thoroughly unlikeable individual.

He is now running nose to nose level with that Sluggard Evans, especially in the ugly barsteward league.

Graham8181 wrote:
It's Di Canios heavy spending that brought on the cheap sale of our players. Defo not an efficient business man are u Paolo?

You are absolutely right Di Canio isnt a business man... but he was never employed by us as a business man, only a football manager and coach - a job he excelled in. It was never his job to make money... yes he'd spend it if was available, and he demanded it more than he should have, but who did made it available? who signed off those cheques? not Di Canio.... and where are they now?! Thankfully gone and hopefully never to return but it takes more than a well worded tweet to hide the legacy they've left.

I make it that when collins took the field against crawley that was 30 games for collins and it is due to be paid in the month this happend as we are still in Feb their is no story so shut up Turner and i think one or 2 on here should know better and try a little resource towards our club.

KojaktheWarg wrote:
I'm in business. If a company replaces their board and they owe us money we would give them the new owners a call - not go to the press about a debt left overdue by an outgoing board. Nice welcome from the shrews to our new board isnt it.

Exactly Kojak, pity the small minded Turner doesn't understand that £20k was hardly worth making a point of unless it was too cast a shadow over STFC.

Den, you missed the point I made, the tribunial was only held in late October I believe, I don't know when Collins made his 15th appearance but would guess it was probably before end of 2012, I also don't know how long after that milestone a payment of £20k was due, do you?? How do you know how long before we had to pay up,30 days, 60 days, who do you think was going to cough up, certainly not black and how were the new board have done so until they took over. Why do you think your thoroughy decent man Turner has brought this to the attention of the media instead of letting his own financial people make the call and sort it out with ours. Almost everyone on this forum except for yourself do not have one good word to say about Turner, he had his own agenda to show us in a bad light and true to form has whinged and moaned as he usually does about uneven levels whilst forgetting to mention the embargo's and nigh on administration we have faced without being able to bring any loanees in, does that look like a level playing field to you,. that's what he is all about, a monger.

When are you actually going to say something positive about the new board of STFC instead of the negatives you have spouted lately.

Without being impolite Den, this will be the last post I will ever respond to any of your's as I'm sick of being put down by you because my views differ from yours, you think you are always right and you always have to have the last word. Please do me the same courtesy and don't reply to my opinions, because they will almost always be different to yours for sure. we all support the same team so I don't want to be having to justify how good other teams,managers and refs are with you. I'm Swindon through and through and admit I'm blinkered when it comes to supporting my team, so be it, that's the way I am because unlike you I don't go to applaud the opposition, I go to see Swindon town and if we lose, it's obvious to me we were robbed, Lol

No more discussions or arguements Den, just leave it that we will never agree and I for one will welcome some peace and quiet of not having to justify my opinions to you.

the wizard wrote:
Typical cheap shot from Turner.

Why is it Wiz? What if a club owed us money for a player we'd sold them and because of that we couldn't buy someone or if that money was the difference in being under embargo or in admin. If we owe the money we owe the money surely?

jevs wrote:

MITTED wrote:
Smacks of yet another cheap shot from Turner. A thoroughly unlikeable individual.

When did Town fans get so touchy about everything? If Bournemouth don't pay on time for Ritchie no one would be bothered then?

Exactly jevs if the boot was on the other foot those griping at Turner would be the first on here to complain about the injustice of it all.

The Jockster wrote:

the wizard wrote:
Typical cheap shot from Turner.

Why is it Wiz? What if a club owed us money for a player we'd sold them and because of that we couldn't buy someone or if that money was the difference in being under embargo or in admin. If we owe the money we owe the money surely?

Jock, it is a cheap shot. He has been on our back for a while, probably jealous of our budget etc. He knows there has been a take over, and he knows he will get his money, so why go whinging to the media like sour grapes when he should be leaving such matters to the people who run finance etc at his club. He didn't like it because Collins left, came here and has bagged a few goals, sour grapes. You would think he would be more concerned with his teams performance, btw, is it true he swims with his ears ?????? I'm told they are big enough, lol .

The Jockster wrote:

jevs wrote:

MITTED wrote:
Smacks of yet another cheap shot from Turner. A thoroughly unlikeable individual.

When did Town fans get so touchy about everything? If Bournemouth don't pay on time for Ritchie no one would be bothered then?

Exactly jevs if the boot was on the other foot those griping at Turner would be the first on here to complain about the injustice of it all.

Why did Winger Turner go to the press?he knows we are changing owners!all he got to do,is phone the new owners and say you owe us £20 grand cough up asap,job done simples!!!!!!!!!!!

Wikipedia says he's played 31 times to Feb 20, so it looks like the 2nd payment and we're only a week or so late

the don69 wrote:

The Jockster wrote:

jevs wrote:

MITTED wrote:
Smacks of yet another cheap shot from Turner. A thoroughly unlikeable individual.

When did Town fans get so touchy about everything? If Bournemouth don't pay on time for Ritchie no one would be bothered then?

Exactly jevs if the boot was on the other foot those griping at Turner would be the first on here to complain about the injustice of it all.

Why did Winger Turner go to the press?he knows we are changing owners!all he got to do,is phone the new owners and say you owe us £20 grand cough up asap,job done simples!!!!!!!!!!!

spot on don.Am i missing the point it is for 30 games not 15 i take?

old town robin wrote:

KojaktheWarg wrote:
I'm in business. If a company replaces their board and they owe us money we would give them the new owners a call - not go to the press about a debt left overdue by an outgoing board. Nice welcome from the shrews to our new board isnt it.

Exactly Kojak, pity the small minded Turner doesn't understand that £20k was hardly worth making a point of unless it was too cast a shadow over STFC.

Den, you missed the point I made, the tribunial was only held in late October I believe, I don't know when Collins made his 15th appearance but would guess it was probably before end of 2012, I also don't know how long after that milestone a payment of £20k was due, do you?? How do you know how long before we had to pay up,30 days, 60 days, who do you think was going to cough up, certainly not black and how were the new board have done so until they took over. Why do you think your thoroughy decent man Turner has brought this to the attention of the media instead of letting his own financial people make the call and sort it out with ours. Almost everyone on this forum except for yourself do not have one good word to say about Turner, he had his own agenda to show us in a bad light and true to form has whinged and moaned as he usually does about uneven levels whilst forgetting to mention the embargo's and nigh on administration we have faced without being able to bring any loanees in, does that look like a level playing field to you,. that's what he is all about, a monger.

When are you actually going to say something positive about the new board of STFC instead of the negatives you have spouted lately.

Without being impolite Den, this will be the last post I will ever respond to any of your's as I'm sick of being put down by you because my views differ from yours, you think you are always right and you always have to have the last word. Please do me the same courtesy and don't reply to my opinions, because they will almost always be different to yours for sure. we all support the same team so I don't want to be having to justify how good other teams,managers and refs are with you. I'm Swindon through and through and admit I'm blinkered when it comes to supporting my team, so be it, that's the way I am because unlike you I don't go to applaud the opposition, I go to see Swindon town and if we lose, it's obvious to me we were robbed, Lol

No more discussions or arguements Den, just leave it that we will never agree and I for one will welcome some peace and quiet of not having to justify my opinions to you.

Old town Robin the date for collins 15 game was oct6 against bury and his 30 was crawley .Dont let Den upset you its good to have your own views and stick to them .

We are clearly in the wrong here so why slate Turner? Bit embarrassing for us. He states we're a decent club and well supported. If someone owed us money and didn't pay I'm sure we'd be furious.

the wizard wrote:

MITTED wrote:
Smacks of yet another cheap shot from Turner. A thoroughly unlikeable individual.

He is now running nose to nose level with that Sluggard Evans, especially in the ugly barsteward league.

Sorry again Wiz but what on earth does a person's physical features have to do with whether the point they are making is a valid one? I would agree that Evans sometimes comes across as an obnoxious individual but I can't say the same about Turner especially when I think in this instance he's perfectly entitled to complain (if facts are as stated) because I'd bet your sweet bippy that if Mitchell was pulling the same stunt at Bournemouth and not paying us you, OTR and a couple more would be up in arms wouldn't you? Just trying to put a sense of unbiased fairness to the argument :)

jayden wrote:

old town robin wrote:

KojaktheWarg wrote:
I'm in business. If a company replaces their board and they owe us money we would give them the new owners a call - not go to the press about a debt left overdue by an outgoing board. Nice welcome from the shrews to our new board isnt it.

Exactly Kojak, pity the small minded Turner doesn't understand that £20k was hardly worth making a point of unless it was too cast a shadow over STFC.

Den, you missed the point I made, the tribunial was only held in late October I believe, I don't know when Collins made his 15th appearance but would guess it was probably before end of 2012, I also don't know how long after that milestone a payment of £20k was due, do you?? How do you know how long before we had to pay up,30 days, 60 days, who do you think was going to cough up, certainly not black and how were the new board have done so until they took over. Why do you think your thoroughy decent man Turner has brought this to the attention of the media instead of letting his own financial people make the call and sort it out with ours. Almost everyone on this forum except for yourself do not have one good word to say about Turner, he had his own agenda to show us in a bad light and true to form has whinged and moaned as he usually does about uneven levels whilst forgetting to mention the embargo's and nigh on administration we have faced without being able to bring any loanees in, does that look like a level playing field to you,. that's what he is all about, a monger.

When are you actually going to say something positive about the new board of STFC instead of the negatives you have spouted lately.

Without being impolite Den, this will be the last post I will ever respond to any of your's as I'm sick of being put down by you because my views differ from yours, you think you are always right and you always have to have the last word. Please do me the same courtesy and don't reply to my opinions, because they will almost always be different to yours for sure. we all support the same team so I don't want to be having to justify how good other teams,managers and refs are with you. I'm Swindon through and through and admit I'm blinkered when it comes to supporting my team, so be it, that's the way I am because unlike you I don't go to applaud the opposition, I go to see Swindon town and if we lose, it's obvious to me we were robbed, Lol

No more discussions or arguements Den, just leave it that we will never agree and I for one will welcome some peace and quiet of not having to justify my opinions to you.

Old town Robin the date for collins 15 game was oct6 against bury and his 30 was crawley .Dont let Den upset you its good to have your own views and stick to them .

jayden, I'll respect OTR's wishes and reply to you instead of him.

"It's good to have your own views and stick to them". I couldn't agree more. But is it only OK to have your own views and stick to them if they toe a certain line?

All I have ever done on this forum is give my opinion. I usually stick to it, which you suggest I should, but sometimes I've been persuaded by others to change my mind. I've never insulted anyone, never tried to put anyone down and never - ever - suggested that anyone should not be entitled to express their views, provided personal abuse is left out of it of course.
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I've been asked why I think Turner is a decent bloke. I don't think the onus is on me to say why he is a decent bloke. The burden of proof is on those who say he isn't. Can anyone provide one shred of evidence that Turner is not a decent man? Anyone who follows the game knows full well that he has been a huge contributor to lower division football in this country. I believe he deserves respect. Apart from the one incident when he lost his rag over a refereeing decision, I have never known him to say or do anything unreasonable. He admitted after that incident that he had been wrong to respond in the way he did. I thought he was wrong to do so too, even though I and nearly everyone in the ground believed that McCormack had hacked the Shrewsbury player down when he was clean through on goal. As I said, Turner was wrong to act in the way he did but if criticising one refereeing incident makes him a whinger and a man of questionable decency, who on here is entitled to cast the first stone towards him? Certainly not me.
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I will continue to support my team passionately but with an open mind and due respect for those inside and outside our club. And I'll save my opinions for pre and post-match discussions in the pub, where I know all points of view will be welcome and debated fully.

Den its ok by me all i was saying that if you if its your view stick to it .If i had any beef (or horse) with you i would be on your views on the new board as you dont seem to have given them a chance as yet but its your view and you should stick to it.The only prob i have got is was the payment late for the first 15 games if so Turner is right if its for 30 then he is wrong.Now Den dont take the huff as i like to chew the cudd with you and we dont always agree on everything nor do i with old town who last week told me off and i took it .Heres to the next time.

Thanks jayden. I don't have any strong views one way or the other about the new owners. They start with a clean sheet as far as I'm concerned. But I have to say I'm a little surprised that so many people seemed to have a go at Black for not wanting hands-on involvement and yet they are not concerned about the fact that we now have backers who don't even disclose their names to us. I'll make no bones about it - I felt a lot more comfortable knowing who was behind the scenes at our club. It doesn't mean I'm "anti" - it just means it doesn't give me the same level of confidence that the Fitton consortium did. And, whatever the faults of the outgoing regime, if the new boys do half as much for our club as they did, they'll have done a good job.
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With the Turner thing, the very first words of my post were "If this is true...". Now, I would have thought that nearly every football fan in the country wants financial fair play. As I see it, that is all Turner was saying. If he was not telling the truth about this particular payment, then that is another matter and his position is indefensible. I doubt that to be the case (because I think he's an honourable bloke) and I hate to see the debate lowered to the level where people's characters are attacked in the way Turner has been personally abused on this thread, when the only reasoning behind it seems to be "he's criticising us, therefore he must be wrong". Why can we not just debate the facts and come to a conclusion, instead of immediately questioning the man's character?
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I don't know why OTR or anyone else should think I am trying to put him down just because I've given an opinion that differs from his. After all, he was first to question my opinion on this point rather than the other way round and the last thing I would have done is accuse him of trying to put me down because he had a point to make.

I enjoy the cut and thrust of debate on here but I do wonder what the point of it all is if people are going to take it so personally.

Hi Den i understand i realy do.I chose who to have a debate on here with or just to have a laugh some i chose not to even read anymore .one or two are like the bloke paul whitehouse plays ,dave who just agrees with everyone and no one.