SWINDON TOWN: Paolo meets potential new owners

The Wiltshire Gazette and Herald: Swindon Town boss Paolo Di Canio Swindon Town boss Paolo Di Canio

SWINDON Town manager Paolo Di Canio yesterday met with members of the consortium set to take over at the County Ground, as the sale of the club edges closer to completion.

The Robins boss cancelled his customary pre-match Thursday press conference, citing “prior commitments” as the reason, to attend the meeting - during which the new investors’ plans for the future of the club are believed to have been discussed. It was the first time he had met personally with the prospective new board.

Di Canio last week revealed that he is considering his position at Town, following the turbulent events of the past fortnight, suggesting he has been working in a “hostile environment” for several months.

The Italian is understood to be looking for assurances from the incoming owners that they will back him in his plan to deliver Championship football to Swindon within the next 18 months.

The takeover is expected to be completed in time for the visit of Hartlepool on Saturday, and could even be finalised before the end of today, with a five-strong consortium awaiting Football League ratification before they assume control at the County Ground.

As and when the League give their approval Swindon should be able to register new players, but the Advertiser understands the Robins may now have missed the chance to sign winger Danny Green on loan from Charlton.

Green agreed terms with Town on transfer deadline day and was poised to join Di Canio’s side until the end of the season, alongside Marlon Pack and Bradley Wright-Phillips, only for the Football League to block the move.

Cheltenham midfielder Pack is still expected to make the switch to Swindon, with Luke Rooney going in the opposite direction, but the Adver has learnt that Green could be off elsewhere.

MK Dons are believed to still be interested in the former Dagenham man.

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6:07am Fri 8 Feb 13

bowralbob says...

Anyone have an idea how Paolo reacted to meeting the new owners?
Obviously the Advertiser doesn't know anything.
Anyone have an idea how Paolo reacted to meeting the new owners? Obviously the Advertiser doesn't know anything. bowralbob

6:08am Fri 8 Feb 13

Pottered says...

Nothing that we didn't already know.
Nothing that we didn't already know. Pottered

6:43am Fri 8 Feb 13

DarrenSTFCRomain says...

bowralbob wrote:
Anyone have an idea how Paolo reacted to meeting the new owners? Obviously the Advertiser doesn't know anything.
Fust wait for the Guv..
The man seems to no A LOT more than anyone on here...

COME ON GUV STILL
[quote][p][bold]bowralbob[/bold] wrote: Anyone have an idea how Paolo reacted to meeting the new owners? Obviously the Advertiser doesn't know anything.[/p][/quote]Fust wait for the Guv.. The man seems to no A LOT more than anyone on here... COME ON GUV STILL DarrenSTFCRomain

6:44am Fri 8 Feb 13

DarrenSTFCRomain says...

DarrenSTFCRomain wrote:
bowralbob wrote: Anyone have an idea how Paolo reacted to meeting the new owners? Obviously the Advertiser doesn't know anything.
Fust wait for the Guv.. The man seems to no A LOT more than anyone on here... COME ON GUV STILL
FUST....Sorry just
[quote][p][bold]DarrenSTFCRomain[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]bowralbob[/bold] wrote: Anyone have an idea how Paolo reacted to meeting the new owners? Obviously the Advertiser doesn't know anything.[/p][/quote]Fust wait for the Guv.. The man seems to no A LOT more than anyone on here... COME ON GUV STILL[/p][/quote]FUST....Sorry just DarrenSTFCRomain

7:00am Fri 8 Feb 13

SAPFanSTFC says...

If the takeover isn't ratified by the end of today then how will it be done in time for the Hartlepool match?...or are the FL working Saturday morning?
.
Sham it wasn't done in the timescales it was supposed to be done i.e. in the 4-5 working days timeframe.
.
Just no surprises Football League!!
If the takeover isn't ratified by the end of today then how will it be done in time for the Hartlepool match?...or are the FL working Saturday morning? . Sham it wasn't done in the timescales it was supposed to be done i.e. in the 4-5 working days timeframe. . Just no surprises Football League!! SAPFanSTFC

7:06am Fri 8 Feb 13

doomster says...

As Jed tweeted NDA has lifted I expect it all to come together very quickly this AM. I am sure Paolo has the loanees numbers on speed dial.
As Jed tweeted NDA has lifted I expect it all to come together very quickly this AM. I am sure Paolo has the loanees numbers on speed dial. doomster

7:19am Fri 8 Feb 13

GL5 Arkells Stand says...

Whatever happens today, we need everyone there tomorrow.

No excuses - ticket prices are down and the manager and team need to see a massive show of support.

This WILL be our year.
Whatever happens today, we need everyone there tomorrow. No excuses - ticket prices are down and the manager and team need to see a massive show of support. This WILL be our year. GL5 Arkells Stand

7:34am Fri 8 Feb 13

jayden says...

Its now all about 3 points and filling the cg nothing else matters dont forget HP have got better in the last few weeks so we will need to be on our game.
Its now all about 3 points and filling the cg nothing else matters dont forget HP have got better in the last few weeks so we will need to be on our game. jayden

7:35am Fri 8 Feb 13

bowralbob says...

I've seen this on twitter from last year when Banbury was taken over.I expect others have already seen it and posted it, but if not I'll copy and paste it just for your info :-

This is only marginally Luton related but was looking for a little info.

My non-league club Banbury Utd (still don't class Luton as non-league) has been taken over by a consortium called Ordicium. Details are sketchy at the moment but some of the consortium members have luton connections

Brian Stein - obvious connections,
Jed McCrory - said by Brian to be a huge Luton fan,
Martin King (may not be spelled correctly) - ex Luton director
Perry Deakin - no Luton connections

Just wondered if anyone had any knowledge of these chaps and why they might be interested in taking over Banbury - the club have no financial assets so I'm not concerned about a rip off just what might be their motivation.
I've seen this on twitter from last year when Banbury was taken over.I expect others have already seen it and posted it, but if not I'll copy and paste it just for your info :- This is only marginally Luton related but was looking for a little info. My non-league club Banbury Utd (still don't class Luton as non-league) has been taken over by a consortium called Ordicium. Details are sketchy at the moment but some of the consortium members have luton connections Brian Stein - obvious connections, Jed McCrory - said by Brian to be a huge Luton fan, Martin King (may not be spelled correctly) - ex Luton director Perry Deakin - no Luton connections Just wondered if anyone had any knowledge of these chaps and why they might be interested in taking over Banbury - the club have no financial assets so I'm not concerned about a rip off just what might be their motivation. bowralbob

7:37am Fri 8 Feb 13

Anoldgreymoonraker says...

We're going up this year n we're gonna stay up
....:o))
We're going up this year n we're gonna stay up ....:o)) Anoldgreymoonraker

7:40am Fri 8 Feb 13

SAPFanSTFC says...

bowralbob wrote:
I've seen this on twitter from last year when Banbury was taken over.I expect others have already seen it and posted it, but if not I'll copy and paste it just for your info :-

This is only marginally Luton related but was looking for a little info.

My non-league club Banbury Utd (still don't class Luton as non-league) has been taken over by a consortium called Ordicium. Details are sketchy at the moment but some of the consortium members have luton connections

Brian Stein - obvious connections,
Jed McCrory - said by Brian to be a huge Luton fan,
Martin King (may not be spelled correctly) - ex Luton director
Perry Deakin - no Luton connections

Just wondered if anyone had any knowledge of these chaps and why they might be interested in taking over Banbury - the club have no financial assets so I'm not concerned about a rip off just what might be their motivation.
I'm guessing it is just a case of developing a small club and then selling at a much later stage.
.
Banbury probably seemed a good option as there are no major clubs nearby so a good potential for a local supporter base
[quote][p][bold]bowralbob[/bold] wrote: I've seen this on twitter from last year when Banbury was taken over.I expect others have already seen it and posted it, but if not I'll copy and paste it just for your info :- This is only marginally Luton related but was looking for a little info. My non-league club Banbury Utd (still don't class Luton as non-league) has been taken over by a consortium called Ordicium. Details are sketchy at the moment but some of the consortium members have luton connections Brian Stein - obvious connections, Jed McCrory - said by Brian to be a huge Luton fan, Martin King (may not be spelled correctly) - ex Luton director Perry Deakin - no Luton connections Just wondered if anyone had any knowledge of these chaps and why they might be interested in taking over Banbury - the club have no financial assets so I'm not concerned about a rip off just what might be their motivation.[/p][/quote]I'm guessing it is just a case of developing a small club and then selling at a much later stage. . Banbury probably seemed a good option as there are no major clubs nearby so a good potential for a local supporter base SAPFanSTFC

7:59am Fri 8 Feb 13

ShearerShearer says...

bowralbob wrote:
I've seen this on twitter from last year when Banbury was taken over.I expect others have already seen it and posted it, but if not I'll copy and paste it just for your info :- This is only marginally Luton related but was looking for a little info. My non-league club Banbury Utd (still don't class Luton as non-league) has been taken over by a consortium called Ordicium. Details are sketchy at the moment but some of the consortium members have luton connections Brian Stein - obvious connections, Jed McCrory - said by Brian to be a huge Luton fan, Martin King (may not be spelled correctly) - ex Luton director Perry Deakin - no Luton connections Just wondered if anyone had any knowledge of these chaps and why they might be interested in taking over Banbury - the club have no financial assets so I'm not concerned about a rip off just what might be their motivation.
google "Perry Deakin Port Vale"
[quote][p][bold]bowralbob[/bold] wrote: I've seen this on twitter from last year when Banbury was taken over.I expect others have already seen it and posted it, but if not I'll copy and paste it just for your info :- This is only marginally Luton related but was looking for a little info. My non-league club Banbury Utd (still don't class Luton as non-league) has been taken over by a consortium called Ordicium. Details are sketchy at the moment but some of the consortium members have luton connections Brian Stein - obvious connections, Jed McCrory - said by Brian to be a huge Luton fan, Martin King (may not be spelled correctly) - ex Luton director Perry Deakin - no Luton connections Just wondered if anyone had any knowledge of these chaps and why they might be interested in taking over Banbury - the club have no financial assets so I'm not concerned about a rip off just what might be their motivation.[/p][/quote]google "Perry Deakin Port Vale" ShearerShearer

8:09am Fri 8 Feb 13

bowralbob says...

ShearerShearer wrote:
bowralbob wrote:
I've seen this on twitter from last year when Banbury was taken over.I expect others have already seen it and posted it, but if not I'll copy and paste it just for your info :- This is only marginally Luton related but was looking for a little info. My non-league club Banbury Utd (still don't class Luton as non-league) has been taken over by a consortium called Ordicium. Details are sketchy at the moment but some of the consortium members have luton connections Brian Stein - obvious connections, Jed McCrory - said by Brian to be a huge Luton fan, Martin King (may not be spelled correctly) - ex Luton director Perry Deakin - no Luton connections Just wondered if anyone had any knowledge of these chaps and why they might be interested in taking over Banbury - the club have no financial assets so I'm not concerned about a rip off just what might be their motivation.
google "Perry Deakin Port Vale"
OMG he sounds very shonky.
[quote][p][bold]ShearerShearer[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]bowralbob[/bold] wrote: I've seen this on twitter from last year when Banbury was taken over.I expect others have already seen it and posted it, but if not I'll copy and paste it just for your info :- This is only marginally Luton related but was looking for a little info. My non-league club Banbury Utd (still don't class Luton as non-league) has been taken over by a consortium called Ordicium. Details are sketchy at the moment but some of the consortium members have luton connections Brian Stein - obvious connections, Jed McCrory - said by Brian to be a huge Luton fan, Martin King (may not be spelled correctly) - ex Luton director Perry Deakin - no Luton connections Just wondered if anyone had any knowledge of these chaps and why they might be interested in taking over Banbury - the club have no financial assets so I'm not concerned about a rip off just what might be their motivation.[/p][/quote]google "Perry Deakin Port Vale"[/p][/quote]OMG he sounds very shonky. bowralbob

8:12am Fri 8 Feb 13

Rebel_phish says...

With all our goings on at the club with the take over, is it happening? When will it happen? WILL it happen?

You got to feel for the Pompey fans.
http://www.bbc.co.uk
/sport/0/football/21
376866

At least we do have light at the end of are tunnel, getting bigger all the time. Whereas, Pompey fans could be watching it slowly being extinguished.
With all our goings on at the club with the take over, is it happening? When will it happen? WILL it happen? You got to feel for the Pompey fans. http://www.bbc.co.uk /sport/0/football/21 376866 At least we do have light at the end of are tunnel, getting bigger all the time. Whereas, Pompey fans could be watching it slowly being extinguished. Rebel_phish

8:19am Fri 8 Feb 13

Nikki Nythe says...

Guv please give us an update you have been right all along and I want a real update is PFC staying
Guv please give us an update you have been right all along and I want a real update is PFC staying Nikki Nythe

8:28am Fri 8 Feb 13

Is that you Lovesey says...

Who's PFC
Who's PFC Is that you Lovesey

8:33am Fri 8 Feb 13

Blazing Riff says...

Nikki Nythe wrote:
Guv please give us an update you have been right all along and I want a real update is PFC staying
He hasn't!
[quote][p][bold]Nikki Nythe[/bold] wrote: Guv please give us an update you have been right all along and I want a real update is PFC staying[/p][/quote]He hasn't! Blazing Riff

8:34am Fri 8 Feb 13

Cookie43 says...

For god sake stop kissing guvs feet
He knows f.ck all, I bet if you went to one of those spiritualist evening and the clairvoyant said I am sensing I have a message for a male or female you would believe they have a gift.
Guv had a lucky guess that's all but has got nothing right. Some people are so easily taken in its pathetic.!!!
For god sake stop kissing guvs feet He knows f.ck all, I bet if you went to one of those spiritualist evening and the clairvoyant said I am sensing I have a message for a male or female you would believe they have a gift. Guv had a lucky guess that's all but has got nothing right. Some people are so easily taken in its pathetic.!!! Cookie43

8:34am Fri 8 Feb 13

stfclondon says...

So many 'new' posters...
So many 'new' posters... stfclondon

8:35am Fri 8 Feb 13

peatmoor pirate says...

GL5 Arkells Stand wrote:
Whatever happens today, we need everyone there tomorrow.

No excuses - ticket prices are down and the manager and team need to see a massive show of support.

This WILL be our year.
Ticket Office reckoned gate will be approx 9,500 tomorrow (presumably with Hartlepool not bringing too many). Would be nice to see it pip over 10,000 for once Where are all the fans that came and saw us play the Villa?
[quote][p][bold]GL5 Arkells Stand[/bold] wrote: Whatever happens today, we need everyone there tomorrow. No excuses - ticket prices are down and the manager and team need to see a massive show of support. This WILL be our year.[/p][/quote]Ticket Office reckoned gate will be approx 9,500 tomorrow (presumably with Hartlepool not bringing too many). Would be nice to see it pip over 10,000 for once Where are all the fans that came and saw us play the Villa? peatmoor pirate

8:38am Fri 8 Feb 13

mallorca says...

Let´s hope this perry Deaken is not one of the investors.Did read about him on Port Vale site,also has been with a couple of clubs who ended up in administration.
Still us Fans don´t really know what is happening other than it is with the FL.
It seems to be dragging on,all we can hope for is that the investors come up to spec with the FL otherwise I guess we will be in for a long hard time of it.
As I said the other day and a poster this morning compared to Pompey at least we have a good chance.
Still cannot work out 2 lots of admin,been in admin since Feb 2012 they can ship players in and out?????
See 2 more are due this week.
Anyone know why the FL allow this????? yet they blocked our move for 3 players.
Guess it´s because we are STFC allways messed on
Let´s hope this perry Deaken is not one of the investors.Did read about him on Port Vale site,also has been with a couple of clubs who ended up in administration. Still us Fans don´t really know what is happening other than it is with the FL. It seems to be dragging on,all we can hope for is that the investors come up to spec with the FL otherwise I guess we will be in for a long hard time of it. As I said the other day and a poster this morning compared to Pompey at least we have a good chance. Still cannot work out 2 lots of admin,been in admin since Feb 2012 they can ship players in and out????? See 2 more are due this week. Anyone know why the FL allow this????? yet they blocked our move for 3 players. Guess it´s because we are STFC allways messed on mallorca

8:45am Fri 8 Feb 13

Lanky says...

bowralbob wrote:
Anyone have an idea how Paolo reacted to meeting the new owners?
Obviously the Advertiser doesn't know anything.
Bowrelbob and Potterred - ever heard of patience? "The adver doesn't know anything"....do you think they were invited in on the meeting themselves? And that Sam wouldn't have posted a story yesterday immediately afterwards if that was the case?

I'm not entirely sure what fans like you expect. From my point of view, Sam Morshead has done brilliantly over the past few weeks in bringing us the goings on at a blisteringly fast pace, and because of that, if there is not a brand new story in the morning, I take it as there is no news to report at that precise moment.

Follow him on Twitter if you want the most up-to-date ongoings as you usually get the story a few minutes before it is published here. But don't start moaning that the "the adver doesn't know anything". Luckily for us, they know far more than the ridiculous tabloids and fans such as yourselves.
[quote][p][bold]bowralbob[/bold] wrote: Anyone have an idea how Paolo reacted to meeting the new owners? Obviously the Advertiser doesn't know anything.[/p][/quote]Bowrelbob and Potterred - ever heard of patience? "The adver doesn't know anything"....do you think they were invited in on the meeting themselves? And that Sam wouldn't have posted a story yesterday immediately afterwards if that was the case? I'm not entirely sure what fans like you expect. From my point of view, Sam Morshead has done brilliantly over the past few weeks in bringing us the goings on at a blisteringly fast pace, and because of that, if there is not a brand new story in the morning, I take it as there is no news to report at that precise moment. Follow him on Twitter if you want the most up-to-date ongoings as you usually get the story a few minutes before it is published here. But don't start moaning that the "the adver doesn't know anything". Luckily for us, they know far more than the ridiculous tabloids and fans such as yourselves. Lanky

8:47am Fri 8 Feb 13

spectacles testicals wallet watch says...

Surely some good must have come from yesterday otherwise without the right backing PDC would have said things remain untenable. Also i see that Green is now considering MK Franchise, Why? Surely we are the more attractive option especially now we look likely to get the purchase ratified with PDC at the helm. 'Orrible bloody franchised club
Surely some good must have come from yesterday otherwise without the right backing PDC would have said things remain untenable. Also i see that Green is now considering MK Franchise, Why? Surely we are the more attractive option especially now we look likely to get the purchase ratified with PDC at the helm. 'Orrible bloody franchised club spectacles testicals wallet watch

8:51am Fri 8 Feb 13

SAPFanSTFC says...

Blazing Riff wrote:
Nikki Nythe wrote:
Guv please give us an update you have been right all along and I want a real update is PFC staying
He hasn't!
Smells of yet another duplicate ID poster to congratulate themselves on their posts or to back-up some arguments - either that or a wind-up! :-)
----
Wondered whether it is the players having a bit of a laugh / winding up everyone else (or even each other) - now that would be wicked....i.e. telling Fodders that he was being sold!?
[quote][p][bold]Blazing Riff[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Nikki Nythe[/bold] wrote: Guv please give us an update you have been right all along and I want a real update is PFC staying[/p][/quote]He hasn't![/p][/quote]Smells of yet another duplicate ID poster to congratulate themselves on their posts or to back-up some arguments - either that or a wind-up! :-) ---- Wondered whether it is the players having a bit of a laugh / winding up everyone else (or even each other) - now that would be wicked....i.e. telling Fodders that he was being sold!? SAPFanSTFC

8:51am Fri 8 Feb 13

umpcah says...

spectacles testicals wallet watch wrote:
Surely some good must have come from yesterday otherwise without the right backing PDC would have said things remain untenable. Also i see that Green is now considering MK Franchise, Why? Surely we are the more attractive option especially now we look likely to get the purchase ratified with PDC at the helm. 'Orrible bloody franchised club
"we look likely to get the purchase ratified with PDC at the helm. " It`s not in the bag until it`s in the bag as my mate used to say. I shall be glad when the STFC rollercoaster rolls a bit gentler ! This afternoon I hope !
[quote][p][bold]spectacles testicals wallet watch[/bold] wrote: Surely some good must have come from yesterday otherwise without the right backing PDC would have said things remain untenable. Also i see that Green is now considering MK Franchise, Why? Surely we are the more attractive option especially now we look likely to get the purchase ratified with PDC at the helm. 'Orrible bloody franchised club[/p][/quote]"we look likely to get the purchase ratified with PDC at the helm. " It`s not in the bag until it`s in the bag as my mate used to say. I shall be glad when the STFC rollercoaster rolls a bit gentler ! This afternoon I hope ! umpcah

8:52am Fri 8 Feb 13

RamsburyRed says...

mallorca wrote:
Let´s hope this perry Deaken is not one of the investors.Did read about him on Port Vale site,also has been with a couple of clubs who ended up in administration. Still us Fans don´t really know what is happening other than it is with the FL. It seems to be dragging on,all we can hope for is that the investors come up to spec with the FL otherwise I guess we will be in for a long hard time of it. As I said the other day and a poster this morning compared to Pompey at least we have a good chance. Still cannot work out 2 lots of admin,been in admin since Feb 2012 they can ship players in and out????? See 2 more are due this week. Anyone know why the FL allow this????? yet they blocked our move for 3 players. Guess it´s because we are STFC allways messed on
In Administration, a business continues to be run by the Administrators (normally this means continuing to trade, deal with customers, suppliers etc). It is essentially a period when the business is kept on tickover whilst a buyer (or other solution) is sought.
*
The Administrators have certain legal obligations, and cannot take 'strategic' decisions, so expediture etc is on a very tight rein, but if the FA or FL did not allow them to loan players, or have any transfer dealings, the club would simply close. That is what Administration tries to avoid.
*
Our position is different. We are between owners.
[quote][p][bold]mallorca[/bold] wrote: Let´s hope this perry Deaken is not one of the investors.Did read about him on Port Vale site,also has been with a couple of clubs who ended up in administration. Still us Fans don´t really know what is happening other than it is with the FL. It seems to be dragging on,all we can hope for is that the investors come up to spec with the FL otherwise I guess we will be in for a long hard time of it. As I said the other day and a poster this morning compared to Pompey at least we have a good chance. Still cannot work out 2 lots of admin,been in admin since Feb 2012 they can ship players in and out????? See 2 more are due this week. Anyone know why the FL allow this????? yet they blocked our move for 3 players. Guess it´s because we are STFC allways messed on[/p][/quote]In Administration, a business continues to be run by the Administrators (normally this means continuing to trade, deal with customers, suppliers etc). It is essentially a period when the business is kept on tickover whilst a buyer (or other solution) is sought. * The Administrators have certain legal obligations, and cannot take 'strategic' decisions, so expediture etc is on a very tight rein, but if the FA or FL did not allow them to loan players, or have any transfer dealings, the club would simply close. That is what Administration tries to avoid. * Our position is different. We are between owners. RamsburyRed

8:55am Fri 8 Feb 13

The Jockster says...

SAPFanSTFC wrote:
If the takeover isn't ratified by the end of today then how will it be done in time for the Hartlepool match?...or are the FL working Saturday morning?
.
Sham it wasn't done in the timescales it was supposed to be done i.e. in the 4-5 working days timeframe.
.
Just no surprises Football League!!
But you told us it would be finalised by cob yesterday? Tut tut wrong again eh!
[quote][p][bold]SAPFanSTFC[/bold] wrote: If the takeover isn't ratified by the end of today then how will it be done in time for the Hartlepool match?...or are the FL working Saturday morning? . Sham it wasn't done in the timescales it was supposed to be done i.e. in the 4-5 working days timeframe. . Just no surprises Football League!![/p][/quote]But you told us it would be finalised by cob yesterday? Tut tut wrong again eh! The Jockster

8:59am Fri 8 Feb 13

spectacles testicals wallet watch says...

umpcah wrote:
spectacles testicals wallet watch wrote: Surely some good must have come from yesterday otherwise without the right backing PDC would have said things remain untenable. Also i see that Green is now considering MK Franchise, Why? Surely we are the more attractive option especially now we look likely to get the purchase ratified with PDC at the helm. 'Orrible bloody franchised club
"we look likely to get the purchase ratified with PDC at the helm. " It`s not in the bag until it`s in the bag as my mate used to say. I shall be glad when the STFC rollercoaster rolls a bit gentler ! This afternoon I hope !
I agree its not in the bag etc, however BBC Wilts this morning stated that the owners are expecting the take over to be completed sometime today. Therefore if he was happy to sign prior to this weeks events and he was also on the franchise radar then, then surely we need to be contacting him and saying the deals back on. He must understand that it wasnt us that stopped the deal from going through! What i meant was that if all went well yesterday PDC would still be steering our ship keeping us above any other as a more attractive option.
[quote][p][bold]umpcah[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]spectacles testicals wallet watch[/bold] wrote: Surely some good must have come from yesterday otherwise without the right backing PDC would have said things remain untenable. Also i see that Green is now considering MK Franchise, Why? Surely we are the more attractive option especially now we look likely to get the purchase ratified with PDC at the helm. 'Orrible bloody franchised club[/p][/quote]"we look likely to get the purchase ratified with PDC at the helm. " It`s not in the bag until it`s in the bag as my mate used to say. I shall be glad when the STFC rollercoaster rolls a bit gentler ! This afternoon I hope ![/p][/quote]I agree its not in the bag etc, however BBC Wilts this morning stated that the owners are expecting the take over to be completed sometime today. Therefore if he was happy to sign prior to this weeks events and he was also on the franchise radar then, then surely we need to be contacting him and saying the deals back on. He must understand that it wasnt us that stopped the deal from going through! What i meant was that if all went well yesterday PDC would still be steering our ship keeping us above any other as a more attractive option. spectacles testicals wallet watch

8:59am Fri 8 Feb 13

Davidsyrett says...

bowralbob wrote:
ShearerShearer wrote:
bowralbob wrote:
I've seen this on twitter from last year when Banbury was taken over.I expect others have already seen it and posted it, but if not I'll copy and paste it just for your info :- This is only marginally Luton related but was looking for a little info. My non-league club Banbury Utd (still don't class Luton as non-league) has been taken over by a consortium called Ordicium. Details are sketchy at the moment but some of the consortium members have luton connections Brian Stein - obvious connections, Jed McCrory - said by Brian to be a huge Luton fan, Martin King (may not be spelled correctly) - ex Luton director Perry Deakin - no Luton connections Just wondered if anyone had any knowledge of these chaps and why they might be interested in taking over Banbury - the club have no financial assets so I'm not concerned about a rip off just what might be their motivation.
google "Perry Deakin Port Vale"
OMG he sounds very shonky.
I have a feeling that the consortium will be totally different to those at Banbury. Far more money required here.

The FL is supposed to check the background of the new board members and that they are in a position to run the club. Surely a person who has already been involved with 2 clubs which have gone into administration will be allowed to be involved in yet another league team.
[quote][p][bold]bowralbob[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ShearerShearer[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]bowralbob[/bold] wrote: I've seen this on twitter from last year when Banbury was taken over.I expect others have already seen it and posted it, but if not I'll copy and paste it just for your info :- This is only marginally Luton related but was looking for a little info. My non-league club Banbury Utd (still don't class Luton as non-league) has been taken over by a consortium called Ordicium. Details are sketchy at the moment but some of the consortium members have luton connections Brian Stein - obvious connections, Jed McCrory - said by Brian to be a huge Luton fan, Martin King (may not be spelled correctly) - ex Luton director Perry Deakin - no Luton connections Just wondered if anyone had any knowledge of these chaps and why they might be interested in taking over Banbury - the club have no financial assets so I'm not concerned about a rip off just what might be their motivation.[/p][/quote]google "Perry Deakin Port Vale"[/p][/quote]OMG he sounds very shonky.[/p][/quote]I have a feeling that the consortium will be totally different to those at Banbury. Far more money required here. The FL is supposed to check the background of the new board members and that they are in a position to run the club. Surely a person who has already been involved with 2 clubs which have gone into administration will be allowed to be involved in yet another league team. Davidsyrett

9:05am Fri 8 Feb 13

hertz says...

STWW probably Greens agent just branding him around trying to force someones hand . If we have 10k tomorrow I hope they put the Boom Boxes out to pump up the volume and add to the atmosphere......... COYR
STWW probably Greens agent just branding him around trying to force someones hand . If we have 10k tomorrow I hope they put the Boom Boxes out to pump up the volume and add to the atmosphere......... COYR hertz

9:07am Fri 8 Feb 13

MITTED says...

Nikki Nythe wrote:
Guv please give us an update you have been right all along and I want a real update is PFC staying
Stop encouraging him - he has been WRONG all along!
[quote][p][bold]Nikki Nythe[/bold] wrote: Guv please give us an update you have been right all along and I want a real update is PFC staying[/p][/quote]Stop encouraging him - he has been WRONG all along! MITTED

9:15am Fri 8 Feb 13

umpcah says...

MITTED wrote:
Nikki Nythe wrote:
Guv please give us an update you have been right all along and I want a real update is PFC staying
Stop encouraging him - he has been WRONG all along!
I think Sam will give us an update before the day is out. We all have to be patient as another poster suggested ! Meanwhile I`m gonna have another stiff drink - Sorry !
[quote][p][bold]MITTED[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Nikki Nythe[/bold] wrote: Guv please give us an update you have been right all along and I want a real update is PFC staying[/p][/quote]Stop encouraging him - he has been WRONG all along![/p][/quote]I think Sam will give us an update before the day is out. We all have to be patient as another poster suggested ! Meanwhile I`m gonna have another stiff drink - Sorry ! umpcah

9:16am Fri 8 Feb 13

Oi Den! says...

I hope the "get to the Championship within 18 months" has become "get to the Championship within 4 months". We have to keep the momentum going and make a big push for it this season, as there's no guarantee that a semi-successful season would be followed by a successful one - as we know only too well.
.
In the meantime I remain uneasy about the takeover, whether it's ratified or not.
I hope the "get to the Championship within 18 months" has become "get to the Championship within 4 months". We have to keep the momentum going and make a big push for it this season, as there's no guarantee that a semi-successful season would be followed by a successful one - as we know only too well. . In the meantime I remain uneasy about the takeover, whether it's ratified or not. Oi Den!

9:17am Fri 8 Feb 13

ShearerShearer says...

Davidsyrett wrote:
bowralbob wrote:
ShearerShearer wrote:
bowralbob wrote: I've seen this on twitter from last year when Banbury was taken over.I expect others have already seen it and posted it, but if not I'll copy and paste it just for your info :- This is only marginally Luton related but was looking for a little info. My non-league club Banbury Utd (still don't class Luton as non-league) has been taken over by a consortium called Ordicium. Details are sketchy at the moment but some of the consortium members have luton connections Brian Stein - obvious connections, Jed McCrory - said by Brian to be a huge Luton fan, Martin King (may not be spelled correctly) - ex Luton director Perry Deakin - no Luton connections Just wondered if anyone had any knowledge of these chaps and why they might be interested in taking over Banbury - the club have no financial assets so I'm not concerned about a rip off just what might be their motivation.
google "Perry Deakin Port Vale"
OMG he sounds very shonky.
I have a feeling that the consortium will be totally different to those at Banbury. Far more money required here. The FL is supposed to check the background of the new board members and that they are in a position to run the club. Surely a person who has already been involved with 2 clubs which have gone into administration will be allowed to be involved in yet another league team.
Let's hope you're right
[quote][p][bold]Davidsyrett[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]bowralbob[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ShearerShearer[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]bowralbob[/bold] wrote: I've seen this on twitter from last year when Banbury was taken over.I expect others have already seen it and posted it, but if not I'll copy and paste it just for your info :- This is only marginally Luton related but was looking for a little info. My non-league club Banbury Utd (still don't class Luton as non-league) has been taken over by a consortium called Ordicium. Details are sketchy at the moment but some of the consortium members have luton connections Brian Stein - obvious connections, Jed McCrory - said by Brian to be a huge Luton fan, Martin King (may not be spelled correctly) - ex Luton director Perry Deakin - no Luton connections Just wondered if anyone had any knowledge of these chaps and why they might be interested in taking over Banbury - the club have no financial assets so I'm not concerned about a rip off just what might be their motivation.[/p][/quote]google "Perry Deakin Port Vale"[/p][/quote]OMG he sounds very shonky.[/p][/quote]I have a feeling that the consortium will be totally different to those at Banbury. Far more money required here. The FL is supposed to check the background of the new board members and that they are in a position to run the club. Surely a person who has already been involved with 2 clubs which have gone into administration will be allowed to be involved in yet another league team.[/p][/quote]Let's hope you're right ShearerShearer

9:19am Fri 8 Feb 13

stfc_tom says...

Just to let everyone know there will be 8,000 red and white flags for the game tomorrow so be sure to pick one up. All the money will be going to the Wiltshire Air Ambulance charity so a doubly good cause. Lets get behind the lads and create a reall football atmosphere. The flags have been supplied by an annonymous individual rather than the club (although they will be distributed by the club). This individual wants to stay annonymous and will not reveive a penny from the sale of the flags.

COYR!!!!
Just to let everyone know there will be 8,000 red and white flags for the game tomorrow so be sure to pick one up. All the money will be going to the Wiltshire Air Ambulance charity so a doubly good cause. Lets get behind the lads and create a reall football atmosphere. The flags have been supplied by an annonymous individual rather than the club (although they will be distributed by the club). This individual wants to stay annonymous and will not reveive a penny from the sale of the flags. COYR!!!! stfc_tom

9:22am Fri 8 Feb 13

deviant in the tupping pen says...

SAPFanSTFC wrote:
Blazing Riff wrote:
Nikki Nythe wrote: Guv please give us an update you have been right all along and I want a real update is PFC staying
He hasn't!
Smells of yet another duplicate ID poster to congratulate themselves on their posts or to back-up some arguments - either that or a wind-up! :-) ---- Wondered whether it is the players having a bit of a laugh / winding up everyone else (or even each other) - now that would be wicked....i.e. telling Fodders that he was being sold!?
Fodders is being sold? Oh no! We're doomed! Doomed I tell you!
[quote][p][bold]SAPFanSTFC[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Blazing Riff[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Nikki Nythe[/bold] wrote: Guv please give us an update you have been right all along and I want a real update is PFC staying[/p][/quote]He hasn't![/p][/quote]Smells of yet another duplicate ID poster to congratulate themselves on their posts or to back-up some arguments - either that or a wind-up! :-) ---- Wondered whether it is the players having a bit of a laugh / winding up everyone else (or even each other) - now that would be wicked....i.e. telling Fodders that he was being sold!?[/p][/quote]Fodders is being sold? Oh no! We're doomed! Doomed I tell you! deviant in the tupping pen

9:22am Fri 8 Feb 13

matt09 says...

i never quite understand the bashing of Sam and the team at the adver. If it wasnt for them i am pretty sure i would know a lot less of what is going on than i currently do.
the reason we dont know more is because of the conf agreement not because the adver isnt asking the questions.
having said all that i hope we arent in for a shock when these new board members names are released. will also be interested to see how much money Mr Black wanted back from the sale and where this consortium get that money from........more holding companies would be my guess.
i never quite understand the bashing of Sam and the team at the adver. If it wasnt for them i am pretty sure i would know a lot less of what is going on than i currently do. the reason we dont know more is because of the conf agreement not because the adver isnt asking the questions. having said all that i hope we arent in for a shock when these new board members names are released. will also be interested to see how much money Mr Black wanted back from the sale and where this consortium get that money from........more holding companies would be my guess. matt09

9:23am Fri 8 Feb 13

super red says...

Personally wouldn't be to gutted if missed out on green, I'd never even heard of him until we registered our interest. Pack would be a good aquisition and we all know bwp is a proven goal scorer at this level.
Personally wouldn't be to gutted if missed out on green, I'd never even heard of him until we registered our interest. Pack would be a good aquisition and we all know bwp is a proven goal scorer at this level. super red

9:25am Fri 8 Feb 13

umpcah says...

stfc_tom wrote:
Just to let everyone know there will be 8,000 red and white flags for the game tomorrow so be sure to pick one up. All the money will be going to the Wiltshire Air Ambulance charity so a doubly good cause. Lets get behind the lads and create a reall football atmosphere. The flags have been supplied by an annonymous individual rather than the club (although they will be distributed by the club). This individual wants to stay annonymous and will not reveive a penny from the sale of the flags.

COYR!!!!
EXCELLENT !
[quote][p][bold]stfc_tom[/bold] wrote: Just to let everyone know there will be 8,000 red and white flags for the game tomorrow so be sure to pick one up. All the money will be going to the Wiltshire Air Ambulance charity so a doubly good cause. Lets get behind the lads and create a reall football atmosphere. The flags have been supplied by an annonymous individual rather than the club (although they will be distributed by the club). This individual wants to stay annonymous and will not reveive a penny from the sale of the flags. COYR!!!![/p][/quote]EXCELLENT ! umpcah

9:26am Fri 8 Feb 13

FORZASTFC says...

peatmoor pirate wrote:
GL5 Arkells Stand wrote:
Whatever happens today, we need everyone there tomorrow.

No excuses - ticket prices are down and the manager and team need to see a massive show of support.

This WILL be our year.
Ticket Office reckoned gate will be approx 9,500 tomorrow (presumably with Hartlepool not bringing too many). Would be nice to see it pip over 10,000 for once Where are all the fans that came and saw us play the Villa?
If the away fans won't bring many supporters, we should be trying to pack out Stratton Bank end with our supportes at these prices??????
C'mon lets pack the house out & raise the volume at the CG so much the residents will be complaining? :-)
3 points Sat!!!!!
Forza Di Canio.
Forza STFC.
[quote][p][bold]peatmoor pirate[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]GL5 Arkells Stand[/bold] wrote: Whatever happens today, we need everyone there tomorrow. No excuses - ticket prices are down and the manager and team need to see a massive show of support. This WILL be our year.[/p][/quote]Ticket Office reckoned gate will be approx 9,500 tomorrow (presumably with Hartlepool not bringing too many). Would be nice to see it pip over 10,000 for once Where are all the fans that came and saw us play the Villa?[/p][/quote]If the away fans won't bring many supporters, we should be trying to pack out Stratton Bank end with our supportes at these prices?????? C'mon lets pack the house out & raise the volume at the CG so much the residents will be complaining? :-) 3 points Sat!!!!! Forza Di Canio. Forza STFC. FORZASTFC

9:29am Fri 8 Feb 13

LydiardRED67 says...

Oi Den! wrote:
I hope the "get to the Championship within 18 months" has become "get to the Championship within 4 months". We have to keep the momentum going and make a big push for it this season, as there's no guarantee that a semi-successful season would be followed by a successful one - as we know only too well.
.
In the meantime I remain uneasy about the takeover, whether it's ratified or not.
Agreed and I am becomeing more nervous the nearer we get to match day.

Sam on twitter "advising" as many as possible to attend tomorrow makes me think something will be announced. Good or bad.

Fingers crossed.
[quote][p][bold]Oi Den![/bold] wrote: I hope the "get to the Championship within 18 months" has become "get to the Championship within 4 months". We have to keep the momentum going and make a big push for it this season, as there's no guarantee that a semi-successful season would be followed by a successful one - as we know only too well. . In the meantime I remain uneasy about the takeover, whether it's ratified or not.[/p][/quote]Agreed and I am becomeing more nervous the nearer we get to match day. Sam on twitter "advising" as many as possible to attend tomorrow makes me think something will be announced. Good or bad. Fingers crossed. LydiardRED67

9:35am Fri 8 Feb 13

the don69 says...

umpcah wrote:
stfc_tom wrote:
Just to let everyone know there will be 8,000 red and white flags for the game tomorrow so be sure to pick one up. All the money will be going to the Wiltshire Air Ambulance charity so a doubly good cause. Lets get behind the lads and create a reall football atmosphere. The flags have been supplied by an annonymous individual rather than the club (although they will be distributed by the club). This individual wants to stay annonymous and will not reveive a penny from the sale of the flags.

COYR!!!!
EXCELLENT !
Best Post of the morning so far on another no news day so far!well done Tom,so don't forget to get your Flags Guys&Gals!!!!!
[quote][p][bold]umpcah[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]stfc_tom[/bold] wrote: Just to let everyone know there will be 8,000 red and white flags for the game tomorrow so be sure to pick one up. All the money will be going to the Wiltshire Air Ambulance charity so a doubly good cause. Lets get behind the lads and create a reall football atmosphere. The flags have been supplied by an annonymous individual rather than the club (although they will be distributed by the club). This individual wants to stay annonymous and will not reveive a penny from the sale of the flags. COYR!!!![/p][/quote]EXCELLENT ![/p][/quote]Best Post of the morning so far on another no news day so far!well done Tom,so don't forget to get your Flags Guys&Gals!!!!! the don69

9:40am Fri 8 Feb 13

Stilloyal says...

GUV knows fukc all that the rest of us don't know, any "exclusives "he posts are just guesswork.


However the deal will be finalised this morning and the clubs agent will be doing his best to get loanees here asap . How many and will they play a part tomorrow is anyones guess .
Paolo will stay after positive talks assured him of the new owners intent yesterday.

Yeah this is me guessing but I won't be far away.

Wonder how much damage the virus has done to the squad in the last couple of days, or has it cleared up ?

Saturday 15.10 "Stand up for Di Canio "
GUV knows fukc all that the rest of us don't know, any "exclusives "he posts are just guesswork. However the deal will be finalised this morning and the clubs agent will be doing his best to get loanees here asap . How many and will they play a part tomorrow is anyones guess . Paolo will stay after positive talks assured him of the new owners intent yesterday. Yeah this is me guessing but I won't be far away. Wonder how much damage the virus has done to the squad in the last couple of days, or has it cleared up ? Saturday 15.10 "Stand up for Di Canio " Stilloyal

9:48am Fri 8 Feb 13

the don69 says...

Cookie43 wrote:
For god sake stop kissing guvs feet
He knows f.ck all, I bet if you went to one of those spiritualist evening and the clairvoyant said I am sensing I have a message for a male or female you would believe they have a gift.
Guv had a lucky guess that's all but has got nothing right. Some people are so easily taken in its pathetic.!!!
Sensible Man Cookie!guv(Teaboy)kn
ows didley shatnone of us know(seems not even the FL know,what with the poor chaps down with a bug)we'll just have to wait!!!!!!!!!!
[quote][p][bold]Cookie43[/bold] wrote: For god sake stop kissing guvs feet He knows f.ck all, I bet if you went to one of those spiritualist evening and the clairvoyant said I am sensing I have a message for a male or female you would believe they have a gift. Guv had a lucky guess that's all but has got nothing right. Some people are so easily taken in its pathetic.!!![/p][/quote]Sensible Man Cookie!guv(Teaboy)kn ows didley shatnone of us know(seems not even the FL know,what with the poor chaps down with a bug)we'll just have to wait!!!!!!!!!! the don69

10:00am Fri 8 Feb 13

The Jockster says...

the don69 wrote:
umpcah wrote:
stfc_tom wrote:
Just to let everyone know there will be 8,000 red and white flags for the game tomorrow so be sure to pick one up. All the money will be going to the Wiltshire Air Ambulance charity so a doubly good cause. Lets get behind the lads and create a reall football atmosphere. The flags have been supplied by an annonymous individual rather than the club (although they will be distributed by the club). This individual wants to stay annonymous and will not reveive a penny from the sale of the flags.

COYR!!!!
EXCELLENT !
Best Post of the morning so far on another no news day so far!well done Tom,so don't forget to get your Flags Guys&Gals!!!!!
Well done Tom Tom thanks for that I'll be getting mine - these days having an air ambulance is vital it could save our lives let alone others.
[quote][p][bold]the don69[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]umpcah[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]stfc_tom[/bold] wrote: Just to let everyone know there will be 8,000 red and white flags for the game tomorrow so be sure to pick one up. All the money will be going to the Wiltshire Air Ambulance charity so a doubly good cause. Lets get behind the lads and create a reall football atmosphere. The flags have been supplied by an annonymous individual rather than the club (although they will be distributed by the club). This individual wants to stay annonymous and will not reveive a penny from the sale of the flags. COYR!!!![/p][/quote]EXCELLENT ![/p][/quote]Best Post of the morning so far on another no news day so far!well done Tom,so don't forget to get your Flags Guys&Gals!!!!![/p][/quote]Well done Tom Tom thanks for that I'll be getting mine - these days having an air ambulance is vital it could save our lives let alone others. The Jockster

10:09am Fri 8 Feb 13

The Jockster says...

Stilloyal wrote:
GUV knows fukc all that the rest of us don't know, any "exclusives "he posts are just guesswork.


However the deal will be finalised this morning and the clubs agent will be doing his best to get loanees here asap . How many and will they play a part tomorrow is anyones guess .
Paolo will stay after positive talks assured him of the new owners intent yesterday.

Yeah this is me guessing but I won't be far away.

Wonder how much damage the virus has done to the squad in the last couple of days, or has it cleared up ?

Saturday 15.10 "Stand up for Di Canio "
Loyal the law of averages says that someone will be right about something sometime so your prophesy might well be right even if its not today. Sap told us it'd all be done yesterday but that never happened.
Caution tells me the longer it takes means there are more glitches to overcome. Jed & co. may well want to work with Paolo but can they convince him to work with them. In essence can they deliver what he wants and expects to allow him to feel he can deliver championship football?
[quote][p][bold]Stilloyal[/bold] wrote: GUV knows fukc all that the rest of us don't know, any "exclusives "he posts are just guesswork. However the deal will be finalised this morning and the clubs agent will be doing his best to get loanees here asap . How many and will they play a part tomorrow is anyones guess . Paolo will stay after positive talks assured him of the new owners intent yesterday. Yeah this is me guessing but I won't be far away. Wonder how much damage the virus has done to the squad in the last couple of days, or has it cleared up ? Saturday 15.10 "Stand up for Di Canio "[/p][/quote]Loyal the law of averages says that someone will be right about something sometime so your prophesy might well be right even if its not today. Sap told us it'd all be done yesterday but that never happened. Caution tells me the longer it takes means there are more glitches to overcome. Jed & co. may well want to work with Paolo but can they convince him to work with them. In essence can they deliver what he wants and expects to allow him to feel he can deliver championship football? The Jockster

10:12am Fri 8 Feb 13

southwest man says...

Lanky wrote:
bowralbob wrote:
Anyone have an idea how Paolo reacted to meeting the new owners?
Obviously the Advertiser doesn't know anything.
Bowrelbob and Potterred - ever heard of patience? "The adver doesn't know anything"....do you think they were invited in on the meeting themselves? And that Sam wouldn't have posted a story yesterday immediately afterwards if that was the case?

I'm not entirely sure what fans like you expect. From my point of view, Sam Morshead has done brilliantly over the past few weeks in bringing us the goings on at a blisteringly fast pace, and because of that, if there is not a brand new story in the morning, I take it as there is no news to report at that precise moment.

Follow him on Twitter if you want the most up-to-date ongoings as you usually get the story a few minutes before it is published here. But don't start moaning that the "the adver doesn't know anything". Luckily for us, they know far more than the ridiculous tabloids and fans such as yourselves.
My sentiments exactly!
[quote][p][bold]Lanky[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]bowralbob[/bold] wrote: Anyone have an idea how Paolo reacted to meeting the new owners? Obviously the Advertiser doesn't know anything.[/p][/quote]Bowrelbob and Potterred - ever heard of patience? "The adver doesn't know anything"....do you think they were invited in on the meeting themselves? And that Sam wouldn't have posted a story yesterday immediately afterwards if that was the case? I'm not entirely sure what fans like you expect. From my point of view, Sam Morshead has done brilliantly over the past few weeks in bringing us the goings on at a blisteringly fast pace, and because of that, if there is not a brand new story in the morning, I take it as there is no news to report at that precise moment. Follow him on Twitter if you want the most up-to-date ongoings as you usually get the story a few minutes before it is published here. But don't start moaning that the "the adver doesn't know anything". Luckily for us, they know far more than the ridiculous tabloids and fans such as yourselves.[/p][/quote]My sentiments exactly! southwest man

10:17am Fri 8 Feb 13

We are PANTS says...

jayden wrote:
Its now all about 3 points and filling the cg nothing else matters dont forget HP have got better in the last few weeks so we will need to be on our game.
From what sauce did this come? ;-)
[quote][p][bold]jayden[/bold] wrote: Its now all about 3 points and filling the cg nothing else matters dont forget HP have got better in the last few weeks so we will need to be on our game.[/p][/quote]From what sauce did this come? ;-) We are PANTS

10:21am Fri 8 Feb 13

notfairweather says...

Tomato sauce
Tomato sauce notfairweather

10:23am Fri 8 Feb 13

Stilloyal says...

The Jockster wrote:
Stilloyal wrote: GUV knows fukc all that the rest of us don't know, any "exclusives "he posts are just guesswork. However the deal will be finalised this morning and the clubs agent will be doing his best to get loanees here asap . How many and will they play a part tomorrow is anyones guess . Paolo will stay after positive talks assured him of the new owners intent yesterday. Yeah this is me guessing but I won't be far away. Wonder how much damage the virus has done to the squad in the last couple of days, or has it cleared up ? Saturday 15.10 "Stand up for Di Canio "
Loyal the law of averages says that someone will be right about something sometime so your prophesy might well be right even if its not today. Sap told us it'd all be done yesterday but that never happened. Caution tells me the longer it takes means there are more glitches to overcome. Jed & co. may well want to work with Paolo but can they convince him to work with them. In essence can they deliver what he wants and expects to allow him to feel he can deliver championship football?
I actually think SAP was correct, just wait for the announcement in the next hour or two.
Theres still a lot to do but I believe the ratification is complete, meetings went late last night. I'm looking forward to the lunchtime news bullitien.

Paolo stays

Saturday 15.10 "Stand up for the Maestro "
[quote][p][bold]The Jockster[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Stilloyal[/bold] wrote: GUV knows fukc all that the rest of us don't know, any "exclusives "he posts are just guesswork. However the deal will be finalised this morning and the clubs agent will be doing his best to get loanees here asap . How many and will they play a part tomorrow is anyones guess . Paolo will stay after positive talks assured him of the new owners intent yesterday. Yeah this is me guessing but I won't be far away. Wonder how much damage the virus has done to the squad in the last couple of days, or has it cleared up ? Saturday 15.10 "Stand up for Di Canio "[/p][/quote]Loyal the law of averages says that someone will be right about something sometime so your prophesy might well be right even if its not today. Sap told us it'd all be done yesterday but that never happened. Caution tells me the longer it takes means there are more glitches to overcome. Jed & co. may well want to work with Paolo but can they convince him to work with them. In essence can they deliver what he wants and expects to allow him to feel he can deliver championship football?[/p][/quote]I actually think SAP was correct, just wait for the announcement in the next hour or two. Theres still a lot to do but I believe the ratification is complete, meetings went late last night. I'm looking forward to the lunchtime news bullitien. Paolo stays Saturday 15.10 "Stand up for the Maestro " Stilloyal

10:30am Fri 8 Feb 13

SAPFanSTFC says...

deviant in the tupping pen wrote:
SAPFanSTFC wrote:
Blazing Riff wrote:
Nikki Nythe wrote: Guv please give us an update you have been right all along and I want a real update is PFC staying
He hasn't!
Smells of yet another duplicate ID poster to congratulate themselves on their posts or to back-up some arguments - either that or a wind-up! :-) ---- Wondered whether it is the players having a bit of a laugh / winding up everyone else (or even each other) - now that would be wicked....i.e. telling Fodders that he was being sold!?
Fodders is being sold? Oh no! We're doomed! Doomed I tell you!
...BUT IT'S TRUE!!....GUV SAID!!
....
errrr......!? :-)
[quote][p][bold]deviant in the tupping pen[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SAPFanSTFC[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Blazing Riff[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Nikki Nythe[/bold] wrote: Guv please give us an update you have been right all along and I want a real update is PFC staying[/p][/quote]He hasn't![/p][/quote]Smells of yet another duplicate ID poster to congratulate themselves on their posts or to back-up some arguments - either that or a wind-up! :-) ---- Wondered whether it is the players having a bit of a laugh / winding up everyone else (or even each other) - now that would be wicked....i.e. telling Fodders that he was being sold!?[/p][/quote]Fodders is being sold? Oh no! We're doomed! Doomed I tell you![/p][/quote]...BUT IT'S TRUE!!....GUV SAID!! .... errrr......!? :-) SAPFanSTFC

10:33am Fri 8 Feb 13

We are PANTS says...

peatmoor pirate wrote:
GL5 Arkells Stand wrote:
Whatever happens today, we need everyone there tomorrow.

No excuses - ticket prices are down and the manager and team need to see a massive show of support.

This WILL be our year.
Ticket Office reckoned gate will be approx 9,500 tomorrow (presumably with Hartlepool not bringing too many). Would be nice to see it pip over 10,000 for once Where are all the fans that came and saw us play the Villa?
Spot on!! You would think 12,000 should be where it's at. But will it be???

My guess is 10,200. Not bad, but nowhere near where it SHOUD be..

That said, the real fans will be there and probably make just as much noise as the "missing" fans...

Looking forward to 3:10pm..

Load and Proud......

"STAND UP FOR DI CANIO"
[quote][p][bold]peatmoor pirate[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]GL5 Arkells Stand[/bold] wrote: Whatever happens today, we need everyone there tomorrow. No excuses - ticket prices are down and the manager and team need to see a massive show of support. This WILL be our year.[/p][/quote]Ticket Office reckoned gate will be approx 9,500 tomorrow (presumably with Hartlepool not bringing too many). Would be nice to see it pip over 10,000 for once Where are all the fans that came and saw us play the Villa?[/p][/quote]Spot on!! You would think 12,000 should be where it's at. But will it be??? My guess is 10,200. Not bad, but nowhere near where it SHOUD be.. That said, the real fans will be there and probably make just as much noise as the "missing" fans... Looking forward to 3:10pm.. Load and Proud...... "STAND UP FOR DI CANIO" We are PANTS

10:34am Fri 8 Feb 13

TheBrightSide says...

Stillloyal liking your 1510 stand up, how abot 'scarves up for Di Canio' with everyone standing up singing, especially TE and DR?
Stillloyal liking your 1510 stand up, how abot 'scarves up for Di Canio' with everyone standing up singing, especially TE and DR? TheBrightSide

10:35am Fri 8 Feb 13

SAPFanSTFC says...

umpcah wrote:
stfc_tom wrote:
Just to let everyone know there will be 8,000 red and white flags for the game tomorrow so be sure to pick one up. All the money will be going to the Wiltshire Air Ambulance charity so a doubly good cause. Lets get behind the lads and create a reall football atmosphere. The flags have been supplied by an annonymous individual rather than the club (although they will be distributed by the club). This individual wants to stay annonymous and will not reveive a penny from the sale of the flags.

COYR!!!!
EXCELLENT !
This is fantastic news - smells as though the new consortium may have put some money up front to create a carnival atmosphere!
...
Despite all of the FL admin illnesses is there a chance that they did get it all approved by close of play on the 5th working day!?
...
I tend to trust Stilloyal's opinions above most and he's sounding pretty positive.
If all is confirmed today then it could be meet the board time on the pitch before the game!?!
...let's hope the players give the crowd something to cheer tomorrow and if it is 9,500 then excellent....I'm sure we can get a few more walk-ins on the day for 10,000+ ....now that will be a tug at the heart strings as I love seeing the County Ground with a bit of life in it.
[quote][p][bold]umpcah[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]stfc_tom[/bold] wrote: Just to let everyone know there will be 8,000 red and white flags for the game tomorrow so be sure to pick one up. All the money will be going to the Wiltshire Air Ambulance charity so a doubly good cause. Lets get behind the lads and create a reall football atmosphere. The flags have been supplied by an annonymous individual rather than the club (although they will be distributed by the club). This individual wants to stay annonymous and will not reveive a penny from the sale of the flags. COYR!!!![/p][/quote]EXCELLENT ![/p][/quote]This is fantastic news - smells as though the new consortium may have put some money up front to create a carnival atmosphere! ... Despite all of the FL admin illnesses is there a chance that they did get it all approved by close of play on the 5th working day!? ... I tend to trust Stilloyal's opinions above most and he's sounding pretty positive. If all is confirmed today then it could be meet the board time on the pitch before the game!?! ...let's hope the players give the crowd something to cheer tomorrow and if it is 9,500 then excellent....I'm sure we can get a few more walk-ins on the day for 10,000+ ....now that will be a tug at the heart strings as I love seeing the County Ground with a bit of life in it. SAPFanSTFC

10:39am Fri 8 Feb 13

Oxon-Red says...

deviant in the tupping pen wrote:
SAPFanSTFC wrote:
Blazing Riff wrote:
Nikki Nythe wrote: Guv please give us an update you have been right all along and I want a real update is PFC staying
He hasn't!
Smells of yet another duplicate ID poster to congratulate themselves on their posts or to back-up some arguments - either that or a wind-up! :-) ---- Wondered whether it is the players having a bit of a laugh / winding up everyone else (or even each other) - now that would be wicked....i.e. telling Fodders that he was being sold!?
Fodders is being sold? Oh no! We're doomed! Doomed I tell you!
Simon Ferry, stop spreading rumours when you should be training :-)

COYMR
[quote][p][bold]deviant in the tupping pen[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SAPFanSTFC[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Blazing Riff[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Nikki Nythe[/bold] wrote: Guv please give us an update you have been right all along and I want a real update is PFC staying[/p][/quote]He hasn't![/p][/quote]Smells of yet another duplicate ID poster to congratulate themselves on their posts or to back-up some arguments - either that or a wind-up! :-) ---- Wondered whether it is the players having a bit of a laugh / winding up everyone else (or even each other) - now that would be wicked....i.e. telling Fodders that he was being sold!?[/p][/quote]Fodders is being sold? Oh no! We're doomed! Doomed I tell you![/p][/quote]Simon Ferry, stop spreading rumours when you should be training :-) COYMR Oxon-Red

10:39am Fri 8 Feb 13

SAPFanSTFC says...

TheBrightSide wrote:
Stillloyal liking your 1510 stand up, how abot 'scarves up for Di Canio' with everyone standing up singing, especially TE and DR?
We'll be joining in from the Arkells!!
.
We're starting to get a little bit more noise going some weeks - just bloomin hard at times.
[quote][p][bold]TheBrightSide[/bold] wrote: Stillloyal liking your 1510 stand up, how abot 'scarves up for Di Canio' with everyone standing up singing, especially TE and DR?[/p][/quote]We'll be joining in from the Arkells!! . We're starting to get a little bit more noise going some weeks - just bloomin hard at times. SAPFanSTFC

10:41am Fri 8 Feb 13

Stilloyal says...

SAPFanSTFC wrote:
umpcah wrote:
stfc_tom wrote: Just to let everyone know there will be 8,000 red and white flags for the game tomorrow so be sure to pick one up. All the money will be going to the Wiltshire Air Ambulance charity so a doubly good cause. Lets get behind the lads and create a reall football atmosphere. The flags have been supplied by an annonymous individual rather than the club (although they will be distributed by the club). This individual wants to stay annonymous and will not reveive a penny from the sale of the flags. COYR!!!!
EXCELLENT !
This is fantastic news - smells as though the new consortium may have put some money up front to create a carnival atmosphere! ... Despite all of the FL admin illnesses is there a chance that they did get it all approved by close of play on the 5th working day!? ... I tend to trust Stilloyal's opinions above most and he's sounding pretty positive. If all is confirmed today then it could be meet the board time on the pitch before the game!?! ...let's hope the players give the crowd something to cheer tomorrow and if it is 9,500 then excellent....I'm sure we can get a few more walk-ins on the day for 10,000+ ....now that will be a tug at the heart strings as I love seeing the County Ground with a bit of life in it.
Cheers SAP, I'm always positive mate , "every liability carries with it the seed of equal or greater possibility"..
Never give up !

Tomorrow 15.10 "Stand up for Di Canio, stand up for the Maestro " and hold your scarves high.
[quote][p][bold]SAPFanSTFC[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]umpcah[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]stfc_tom[/bold] wrote: Just to let everyone know there will be 8,000 red and white flags for the game tomorrow so be sure to pick one up. All the money will be going to the Wiltshire Air Ambulance charity so a doubly good cause. Lets get behind the lads and create a reall football atmosphere. The flags have been supplied by an annonymous individual rather than the club (although they will be distributed by the club). This individual wants to stay annonymous and will not reveive a penny from the sale of the flags. COYR!!!![/p][/quote]EXCELLENT ![/p][/quote]This is fantastic news - smells as though the new consortium may have put some money up front to create a carnival atmosphere! ... Despite all of the FL admin illnesses is there a chance that they did get it all approved by close of play on the 5th working day!? ... I tend to trust Stilloyal's opinions above most and he's sounding pretty positive. If all is confirmed today then it could be meet the board time on the pitch before the game!?! ...let's hope the players give the crowd something to cheer tomorrow and if it is 9,500 then excellent....I'm sure we can get a few more walk-ins on the day for 10,000+ ....now that will be a tug at the heart strings as I love seeing the County Ground with a bit of life in it.[/p][/quote]Cheers SAP, I'm always positive mate , "every liability carries with it the seed of equal or greater possibility".. Never give up ! Tomorrow 15.10 "Stand up for Di Canio, stand up for the Maestro " and hold your scarves high. Stilloyal

10:41am Fri 8 Feb 13

umpcah says...

SAPFanSTFC wrote:
umpcah wrote:
stfc_tom wrote:
Just to let everyone know there will be 8,000 red and white flags for the game tomorrow so be sure to pick one up. All the money will be going to the Wiltshire Air Ambulance charity so a doubly good cause. Lets get behind the lads and create a reall football atmosphere. The flags have been supplied by an annonymous individual rather than the club (although they will be distributed by the club). This individual wants to stay annonymous and will not reveive a penny from the sale of the flags.

COYR!!!!
EXCELLENT !
This is fantastic news - smells as though the new consortium may have put some money up front to create a carnival atmosphere!
...
Despite all of the FL admin illnesses is there a chance that they did get it all approved by close of play on the 5th working day!?
...
I tend to trust Stilloyal's opinions above most and he's sounding pretty positive.
If all is confirmed today then it could be meet the board time on the pitch before the game!?!
...let's hope the players give the crowd something to cheer tomorrow and if it is 9,500 then excellent....I'm sure we can get a few more walk-ins on the day for 10,000+ ....now that will be a tug at the heart strings as I love seeing the County Ground with a bit of life in it.
Can YOU think of someone who would probably go tomorrow but cant get there because of transport problems ? Even if the last time he / she saw the Town was at Wembley get him / her there !
[quote][p][bold]SAPFanSTFC[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]umpcah[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]stfc_tom[/bold] wrote: Just to let everyone know there will be 8,000 red and white flags for the game tomorrow so be sure to pick one up. All the money will be going to the Wiltshire Air Ambulance charity so a doubly good cause. Lets get behind the lads and create a reall football atmosphere. The flags have been supplied by an annonymous individual rather than the club (although they will be distributed by the club). This individual wants to stay annonymous and will not reveive a penny from the sale of the flags. COYR!!!![/p][/quote]EXCELLENT ![/p][/quote]This is fantastic news - smells as though the new consortium may have put some money up front to create a carnival atmosphere! ... Despite all of the FL admin illnesses is there a chance that they did get it all approved by close of play on the 5th working day!? ... I tend to trust Stilloyal's opinions above most and he's sounding pretty positive. If all is confirmed today then it could be meet the board time on the pitch before the game!?! ...let's hope the players give the crowd something to cheer tomorrow and if it is 9,500 then excellent....I'm sure we can get a few more walk-ins on the day for 10,000+ ....now that will be a tug at the heart strings as I love seeing the County Ground with a bit of life in it.[/p][/quote]Can YOU think of someone who would probably go tomorrow but cant get there because of transport problems ? Even if the last time he / she saw the Town was at Wembley get him / her there ! umpcah

10:49am Fri 8 Feb 13

ShearerShearer says...

SAPFanSTFC wrote:
TheBrightSide wrote: Stillloyal liking your 1510 stand up, how abot 'scarves up for Di Canio' with everyone standing up singing, especially TE and DR?
We'll be joining in from the Arkells!! . We're starting to get a little bit more noise going some weeks - just bloomin hard at times.
Stood up in the Town End as standard, scarves will be up at 15:10 :-)
[quote][p][bold]SAPFanSTFC[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]TheBrightSide[/bold] wrote: Stillloyal liking your 1510 stand up, how abot 'scarves up for Di Canio' with everyone standing up singing, especially TE and DR?[/p][/quote]We'll be joining in from the Arkells!! . We're starting to get a little bit more noise going some weeks - just bloomin hard at times.[/p][/quote]Stood up in the Town End as standard, scarves will be up at 15:10 :-) ShearerShearer

11:00am Fri 8 Feb 13

SAPFanSTFC says...

Stilloyal wrote:
SAPFanSTFC wrote:
umpcah wrote:
stfc_tom wrote: Just to let everyone know there will be 8,000 red and white flags for the game tomorrow so be sure to pick one up. All the money will be going to the Wiltshire Air Ambulance charity so a doubly good cause. Lets get behind the lads and create a reall football atmosphere. The flags have been supplied by an annonymous individual rather than the club (although they will be distributed by the club). This individual wants to stay annonymous and will not reveive a penny from the sale of the flags. COYR!!!!
EXCELLENT !
This is fantastic news - smells as though the new consortium may have put some money up front to create a carnival atmosphere! ... Despite all of the FL admin illnesses is there a chance that they did get it all approved by close of play on the 5th working day!? ... I tend to trust Stilloyal's opinions above most and he's sounding pretty positive. If all is confirmed today then it could be meet the board time on the pitch before the game!?! ...let's hope the players give the crowd something to cheer tomorrow and if it is 9,500 then excellent....I'm sure we can get a few more walk-ins on the day for 10,000+ ....now that will be a tug at the heart strings as I love seeing the County Ground with a bit of life in it.
Cheers SAP, I'm always positive mate , "every liability carries with it the seed of equal or greater possibility"..
Never give up !

Tomorrow 15.10 "Stand up for Di Canio, stand up for the Maestro " and hold your scarves high.
Like it - We have to stay positive being Town fans! :-)
....
Love the 15.10 Stand-Up for Di Canio idea!
...also hoping that everyone stays a but later than normal claps the team off the pitch and then support the Di Canio Scarf salute...just 10mins extra folks!!?
[quote][p][bold]Stilloyal[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SAPFanSTFC[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]umpcah[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]stfc_tom[/bold] wrote: Just to let everyone know there will be 8,000 red and white flags for the game tomorrow so be sure to pick one up. All the money will be going to the Wiltshire Air Ambulance charity so a doubly good cause. Lets get behind the lads and create a reall football atmosphere. The flags have been supplied by an annonymous individual rather than the club (although they will be distributed by the club). This individual wants to stay annonymous and will not reveive a penny from the sale of the flags. COYR!!!![/p][/quote]EXCELLENT ![/p][/quote]This is fantastic news - smells as though the new consortium may have put some money up front to create a carnival atmosphere! ... Despite all of the FL admin illnesses is there a chance that they did get it all approved by close of play on the 5th working day!? ... I tend to trust Stilloyal's opinions above most and he's sounding pretty positive. If all is confirmed today then it could be meet the board time on the pitch before the game!?! ...let's hope the players give the crowd something to cheer tomorrow and if it is 9,500 then excellent....I'm sure we can get a few more walk-ins on the day for 10,000+ ....now that will be a tug at the heart strings as I love seeing the County Ground with a bit of life in it.[/p][/quote]Cheers SAP, I'm always positive mate , "every liability carries with it the seed of equal or greater possibility".. Never give up ! Tomorrow 15.10 "Stand up for Di Canio, stand up for the Maestro " and hold your scarves high.[/p][/quote]Like it - We have to stay positive being Town fans! :-) .... Love the 15.10 Stand-Up for Di Canio idea! ...also hoping that everyone stays a but later than normal claps the team off the pitch and then support the Di Canio Scarf salute...just 10mins extra folks!!? SAPFanSTFC

11:08am Fri 8 Feb 13

SAPFanSTFC says...

Not sure if you've seen this - I copied it over yesterday from the BBC article.
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Comments from the Hartlepool manager:
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Former defender Hughes played with Di Canio at Celtic in 1996 and has fond memories of their time together - "He's an infectious, passionate character who wears his heart on his sleeve - everything he does is for the team," he said.
"At Celtic he loved the place. That's him, its not an act, he's just an honest guy.
"He could start a fight in an empty house but he's clever enough to know how to use that.
====.
Quality!!...and believable!! :-)
Not sure if you've seen this - I copied it over yesterday from the BBC article. . Comments from the Hartlepool manager: . Former defender Hughes played with Di Canio at Celtic in 1996 and has fond memories of their time together - "He's an infectious, passionate character who wears his heart on his sleeve - everything he does is for the team," he said. "At Celtic he loved the place. That's him, its not an act, he's just an honest guy. "He could start a fight in an empty house but he's clever enough to know how to use that. ====. Quality!!...and believable!! :-) SAPFanSTFC

11:08am Fri 8 Feb 13

We are PANTS says...

SAPFanSTFC wrote:
Stilloyal wrote:
SAPFanSTFC wrote:
umpcah wrote:
stfc_tom wrote: Just to let everyone know there will be 8,000 red and white flags for the game tomorrow so be sure to pick one up. All the money will be going to the Wiltshire Air Ambulance charity so a doubly good cause. Lets get behind the lads and create a reall football atmosphere. The flags have been supplied by an annonymous individual rather than the club (although they will be distributed by the club). This individual wants to stay annonymous and will not reveive a penny from the sale of the flags. COYR!!!!
EXCELLENT !
This is fantastic news - smells as though the new consortium may have put some money up front to create a carnival atmosphere! ... Despite all of the FL admin illnesses is there a chance that they did get it all approved by close of play on the 5th working day!? ... I tend to trust Stilloyal's opinions above most and he's sounding pretty positive. If all is confirmed today then it could be meet the board time on the pitch before the game!?! ...let's hope the players give the crowd something to cheer tomorrow and if it is 9,500 then excellent....I'm sure we can get a few more walk-ins on the day for 10,000+ ....now that will be a tug at the heart strings as I love seeing the County Ground with a bit of life in it.
Cheers SAP, I'm always positive mate , "every liability carries with it the seed of equal or greater possibility"..
Never give up !

Tomorrow 15.10 "Stand up for Di Canio, stand up for the Maestro " and hold your scarves high.
Like it - We have to stay positive being Town fans! :-)
....
Love the 15.10 Stand-Up for Di Canio idea!
...also hoping that everyone stays a but later than normal claps the team off the pitch and then support the Di Canio Scarf salute...just 10mins extra folks!!?
Don't let them leave.. Simples!! ;)
[quote][p][bold]SAPFanSTFC[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Stilloyal[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SAPFanSTFC[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]umpcah[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]stfc_tom[/bold] wrote: Just to let everyone know there will be 8,000 red and white flags for the game tomorrow so be sure to pick one up. All the money will be going to the Wiltshire Air Ambulance charity so a doubly good cause. Lets get behind the lads and create a reall football atmosphere. The flags have been supplied by an annonymous individual rather than the club (although they will be distributed by the club). This individual wants to stay annonymous and will not reveive a penny from the sale of the flags. COYR!!!![/p][/quote]EXCELLENT ![/p][/quote]This is fantastic news - smells as though the new consortium may have put some money up front to create a carnival atmosphere! ... Despite all of the FL admin illnesses is there a chance that they did get it all approved by close of play on the 5th working day!? ... I tend to trust Stilloyal's opinions above most and he's sounding pretty positive. If all is confirmed today then it could be meet the board time on the pitch before the game!?! ...let's hope the players give the crowd something to cheer tomorrow and if it is 9,500 then excellent....I'm sure we can get a few more walk-ins on the day for 10,000+ ....now that will be a tug at the heart strings as I love seeing the County Ground with a bit of life in it.[/p][/quote]Cheers SAP, I'm always positive mate , "every liability carries with it the seed of equal or greater possibility".. Never give up ! Tomorrow 15.10 "Stand up for Di Canio, stand up for the Maestro " and hold your scarves high.[/p][/quote]Like it - We have to stay positive being Town fans! :-) .... Love the 15.10 Stand-Up for Di Canio idea! ...also hoping that everyone stays a but later than normal claps the team off the pitch and then support the Di Canio Scarf salute...just 10mins extra folks!!?[/p][/quote]Don't let them leave.. Simples!! ;) We are PANTS

11:13am Fri 8 Feb 13

stfc2012 says...

I think when we score a goal everyone should cheer.
I think when we score a goal everyone should cheer. stfc2012

11:14am Fri 8 Feb 13

Doctor red says...

I will prescribe the Arkells crowd to stand up with me at 1510
Well done Averd over past 2 days a great effort!

The Doc
I will prescribe the Arkells crowd to stand up with me at 1510 Well done Averd over past 2 days a great effort! The Doc Doctor red

11:21am Fri 8 Feb 13

madterrier says...

I just hope that the Adver will be able to find out from someone....

- Is the new consortium willing to sustain the operating losses, reckoned to be £100,000 a week, for this season and the next if needs be, to deliver Championship football?

- How will this money be pumped into the club (equity or loans?), and what financial guarantees will be in place to prevent the plug from being pulled suddenly as Black did last month? This links to the PL proposals to secure operating losses against owners' assets.

I'm not expecting answers to these questions, although in essence, this is what Paolo will have wanted to know in his meeting. Because the 'plan' he bought into effectively required the club to lose money for the next eighteen months in the quest for the Championship. Nearly £2 million from here to summer 2014.

If we don't sell out the CG tomorrow, at just £15 a ticket, it puts the financial problem into sharp focus.
I just hope that the Adver will be able to find out from someone.... - Is the new consortium willing to sustain the operating losses, reckoned to be £100,000 a week, for this season and the next if needs be, to deliver Championship football? - How will this money be pumped into the club (equity or loans?), and what financial guarantees will be in place to prevent the plug from being pulled suddenly as Black did last month? This links to the PL proposals to secure operating losses against owners' assets. I'm not expecting answers to these questions, although in essence, this is what Paolo will have wanted to know in his meeting. Because the 'plan' he bought into effectively required the club to lose money for the next eighteen months in the quest for the Championship. Nearly £2 million from here to summer 2014. If we don't sell out the CG tomorrow, at just £15 a ticket, it puts the financial problem into sharp focus. madterrier

11:26am Fri 8 Feb 13

chrystovski says...

SAPFanSTFC wrote:
Stilloyal wrote:
SAPFanSTFC wrote:
umpcah wrote:
stfc_tom wrote: Just to let everyone know there will be 8,000 red and white flags for the game tomorrow so be sure to pick one up. All the money will be going to the Wiltshire Air Ambulance charity so a doubly good cause. Lets get behind the lads and create a reall football atmosphere. The flags have been supplied by an annonymous individual rather than the club (although they will be distributed by the club). This individual wants to stay annonymous and will not reveive a penny from the sale of the flags. COYR!!!!
EXCELLENT !
This is fantastic news - smells as though the new consortium may have put some money up front to create a carnival atmosphere! ... Despite all of the FL admin illnesses is there a chance that they did get it all approved by close of play on the 5th working day!? ... I tend to trust Stilloyal's opinions above most and he's sounding pretty positive. If all is confirmed today then it could be meet the board time on the pitch before the game!?! ...let's hope the players give the crowd something to cheer tomorrow and if it is 9,500 then excellent....I'm sure we can get a few more walk-ins on the day for 10,000+ ....now that will be a tug at the heart strings as I love seeing the County Ground with a bit of life in it.
Cheers SAP, I'm always positive mate , "every liability carries with it the seed of equal or greater possibility"..
Never give up !

Tomorrow 15.10 "Stand up for Di Canio, stand up for the Maestro " and hold your scarves high.
Like it - We have to stay positive being Town fans! :-)
....
Love the 15.10 Stand-Up for Di Canio idea!
...also hoping that everyone stays a but later than normal claps the team off the pitch and then support the Di Canio Scarf salute...just 10mins extra folks!!?
I read this yesterday and thought it was a great idea, I've been trying to spread the word on twitter this morning.

That would be a hair raising moment if all 10,000 fans stood up for Di Canio.
[quote][p][bold]SAPFanSTFC[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Stilloyal[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SAPFanSTFC[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]umpcah[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]stfc_tom[/bold] wrote: Just to let everyone know there will be 8,000 red and white flags for the game tomorrow so be sure to pick one up. All the money will be going to the Wiltshire Air Ambulance charity so a doubly good cause. Lets get behind the lads and create a reall football atmosphere. The flags have been supplied by an annonymous individual rather than the club (although they will be distributed by the club). This individual wants to stay annonymous and will not reveive a penny from the sale of the flags. COYR!!!![/p][/quote]EXCELLENT ![/p][/quote]This is fantastic news - smells as though the new consortium may have put some money up front to create a carnival atmosphere! ... Despite all of the FL admin illnesses is there a chance that they did get it all approved by close of play on the 5th working day!? ... I tend to trust Stilloyal's opinions above most and he's sounding pretty positive. If all is confirmed today then it could be meet the board time on the pitch before the game!?! ...let's hope the players give the crowd something to cheer tomorrow and if it is 9,500 then excellent....I'm sure we can get a few more walk-ins on the day for 10,000+ ....now that will be a tug at the heart strings as I love seeing the County Ground with a bit of life in it.[/p][/quote]Cheers SAP, I'm always positive mate , "every liability carries with it the seed of equal or greater possibility".. Never give up ! Tomorrow 15.10 "Stand up for Di Canio, stand up for the Maestro " and hold your scarves high.[/p][/quote]Like it - We have to stay positive being Town fans! :-) .... Love the 15.10 Stand-Up for Di Canio idea! ...also hoping that everyone stays a but later than normal claps the team off the pitch and then support the Di Canio Scarf salute...just 10mins extra folks!!?[/p][/quote]I read this yesterday and thought it was a great idea, I've been trying to spread the word on twitter this morning. That would be a hair raising moment if all 10,000 fans stood up for Di Canio. chrystovski

11:31am Fri 8 Feb 13

spectacles testicals wallet watch says...

Louis
great to speak to you again, first time in nearly 2 years. Glad the family are ok i will pop up with the wife for scunny or donny for a night out.
All the Best and tell the rest i aint STEVE nor GUV!!!!!


Take Care mate Swindon Till we die Were Swindon Till we Die
Louis great to speak to you again, first time in nearly 2 years. Glad the family are ok i will pop up with the wife for scunny or donny for a night out. All the Best and tell the rest i aint STEVE nor GUV!!!!! Take Care mate Swindon Till we die Were Swindon Till we Die spectacles testicals wallet watch

11:33am Fri 8 Feb 13

Pottered says...

Lanky wrote:
bowralbob wrote:
Anyone have an idea how Paolo reacted to meeting the new owners?
Obviously the Advertiser doesn't know anything.
Bowrelbob and Potterred - ever heard of patience? "The adver doesn't know anything"....do you think they were invited in on the meeting themselves? And that Sam wouldn't have posted a story yesterday immediately afterwards if that was the case?

I'm not entirely sure what fans like you expect. From my point of view, Sam Morshead has done brilliantly over the past few weeks in bringing us the goings on at a blisteringly fast pace, and because of that, if there is not a brand new story in the morning, I take it as there is no news to report at that precise moment.

Follow him on Twitter if you want the most up-to-date ongoings as you usually get the story a few minutes before it is published here. But don't start moaning that the "the adver doesn't know anything". Luckily for us, they know far more than the ridiculous tabloids and fans such as yourselves.
Sorry..... I am such a bad Fan for thinking some small snippet of news was forthcoming, I do apologise and thank you for being such wonderful fan. Ps is your name spelt correct?
[quote][p][bold]Lanky[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]bowralbob[/bold] wrote: Anyone have an idea how Paolo reacted to meeting the new owners? Obviously the Advertiser doesn't know anything.[/p][/quote]Bowrelbob and Potterred - ever heard of patience? "The adver doesn't know anything"....do you think they were invited in on the meeting themselves? And that Sam wouldn't have posted a story yesterday immediately afterwards if that was the case? I'm not entirely sure what fans like you expect. From my point of view, Sam Morshead has done brilliantly over the past few weeks in bringing us the goings on at a blisteringly fast pace, and because of that, if there is not a brand new story in the morning, I take it as there is no news to report at that precise moment. Follow him on Twitter if you want the most up-to-date ongoings as you usually get the story a few minutes before it is published here. But don't start moaning that the "the adver doesn't know anything". Luckily for us, they know far more than the ridiculous tabloids and fans such as yourselves.[/p][/quote]Sorry..... I am such a bad Fan for thinking some small snippet of news was forthcoming, I do apologise and thank you for being such wonderful fan. Ps is your name spelt correct? Pottered

11:33am Fri 8 Feb 13

SAPFanSTFC says...

chrystovski wrote:
SAPFanSTFC wrote:
Stilloyal wrote:
SAPFanSTFC wrote:
umpcah wrote:
stfc_tom wrote: Just to let everyone know there will be 8,000 red and white flags for the game tomorrow so be sure to pick one up. All the money will be going to the Wiltshire Air Ambulance charity so a doubly good cause. Lets get behind the lads and create a reall football atmosphere. The flags have been supplied by an annonymous individual rather than the club (although they will be distributed by the club). This individual wants to stay annonymous and will not reveive a penny from the sale of the flags. COYR!!!!
EXCELLENT !
This is fantastic news - smells as though the new consortium may have put some money up front to create a carnival atmosphere! ... Despite all of the FL admin illnesses is there a chance that they did get it all approved by close of play on the 5th working day!? ... I tend to trust Stilloyal's opinions above most and he's sounding pretty positive. If all is confirmed today then it could be meet the board time on the pitch before the game!?! ...let's hope the players give the crowd something to cheer tomorrow and if it is 9,500 then excellent....I'm sure we can get a few more walk-ins on the day for 10,000+ ....now that will be a tug at the heart strings as I love seeing the County Ground with a bit of life in it.
Cheers SAP, I'm always positive mate , "every liability carries with it the seed of equal or greater possibility"..
Never give up !

Tomorrow 15.10 "Stand up for Di Canio, stand up for the Maestro " and hold your scarves high.
Like it - We have to stay positive being Town fans! :-)
....
Love the 15.10 Stand-Up for Di Canio idea!
...also hoping that everyone stays a but later than normal claps the team off the pitch and then support the Di Canio Scarf salute...just 10mins extra folks!!?
I read this yesterday and thought it was a great idea, I've been trying to spread the word on twitter this morning.

That would be a hair raising moment if all 10,000 fans stood up for Di Canio.
Absolutely Brilliant sight - would be great to watch that back on the FL Show in the evening!
...
Wonder if they'll be there tomorrow for the main or bigger feature with a sniff of new owners?...
[quote][p][bold]chrystovski[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SAPFanSTFC[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Stilloyal[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SAPFanSTFC[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]umpcah[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]stfc_tom[/bold] wrote: Just to let everyone know there will be 8,000 red and white flags for the game tomorrow so be sure to pick one up. All the money will be going to the Wiltshire Air Ambulance charity so a doubly good cause. Lets get behind the lads and create a reall football atmosphere. The flags have been supplied by an annonymous individual rather than the club (although they will be distributed by the club). This individual wants to stay annonymous and will not reveive a penny from the sale of the flags. COYR!!!![/p][/quote]EXCELLENT ![/p][/quote]This is fantastic news - smells as though the new consortium may have put some money up front to create a carnival atmosphere! ... Despite all of the FL admin illnesses is there a chance that they did get it all approved by close of play on the 5th working day!? ... I tend to trust Stilloyal's opinions above most and he's sounding pretty positive. If all is confirmed today then it could be meet the board time on the pitch before the game!?! ...let's hope the players give the crowd something to cheer tomorrow and if it is 9,500 then excellent....I'm sure we can get a few more walk-ins on the day for 10,000+ ....now that will be a tug at the heart strings as I love seeing the County Ground with a bit of life in it.[/p][/quote]Cheers SAP, I'm always positive mate , "every liability carries with it the seed of equal or greater possibility".. Never give up ! Tomorrow 15.10 "Stand up for Di Canio, stand up for the Maestro " and hold your scarves high.[/p][/quote]Like it - We have to stay positive being Town fans! :-) .... Love the 15.10 Stand-Up for Di Canio idea! ...also hoping that everyone stays a but later than normal claps the team off the pitch and then support the Di Canio Scarf salute...just 10mins extra folks!!?[/p][/quote]I read this yesterday and thought it was a great idea, I've been trying to spread the word on twitter this morning. That would be a hair raising moment if all 10,000 fans stood up for Di Canio.[/p][/quote]Absolutely Brilliant sight - would be great to watch that back on the FL Show in the evening! ... Wonder if they'll be there tomorrow for the main or bigger feature with a sniff of new owners?... SAPFanSTFC

11:37am Fri 8 Feb 13

stfc_tom says...

SAPFanSTFC wrote:
umpcah wrote:
stfc_tom wrote: Just to let everyone know there will be 8,000 red and white flags for the game tomorrow so be sure to pick one up. All the money will be going to the Wiltshire Air Ambulance charity so a doubly good cause. Lets get behind the lads and create a reall football atmosphere. The flags have been supplied by an annonymous individual rather than the club (although they will be distributed by the club). This individual wants to stay annonymous and will not reveive a penny from the sale of the flags. COYR!!!!
EXCELLENT !
This is fantastic news - smells as though the new consortium may have put some money up front to create a carnival atmosphere! ... Despite all of the FL admin illnesses is there a chance that they did get it all approved by close of play on the 5th working day!? ... I tend to trust Stilloyal's opinions above most and he's sounding pretty positive. If all is confirmed today then it could be meet the board time on the pitch before the game!?! ...let's hope the players give the crowd something to cheer tomorrow and if it is 9,500 then excellent....I'm sure we can get a few more walk-ins on the day for 10,000+ ....now that will be a tug at the heart strings as I love seeing the County Ground with a bit of life in it.
It wasn't the new consortium mate. A fan has paid for 8000 flags and they will be available for free I understand tomorrow - distributed by the club. Donations are encouraged however which will go towards the Wiltshire Air Ambulence.
[quote][p][bold]SAPFanSTFC[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]umpcah[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]stfc_tom[/bold] wrote: Just to let everyone know there will be 8,000 red and white flags for the game tomorrow so be sure to pick one up. All the money will be going to the Wiltshire Air Ambulance charity so a doubly good cause. Lets get behind the lads and create a reall football atmosphere. The flags have been supplied by an annonymous individual rather than the club (although they will be distributed by the club). This individual wants to stay annonymous and will not reveive a penny from the sale of the flags. COYR!!!![/p][/quote]EXCELLENT ![/p][/quote]This is fantastic news - smells as though the new consortium may have put some money up front to create a carnival atmosphere! ... Despite all of the FL admin illnesses is there a chance that they did get it all approved by close of play on the 5th working day!? ... I tend to trust Stilloyal's opinions above most and he's sounding pretty positive. If all is confirmed today then it could be meet the board time on the pitch before the game!?! ...let's hope the players give the crowd something to cheer tomorrow and if it is 9,500 then excellent....I'm sure we can get a few more walk-ins on the day for 10,000+ ....now that will be a tug at the heart strings as I love seeing the County Ground with a bit of life in it.[/p][/quote]It wasn't the new consortium mate. A fan has paid for 8000 flags and they will be available for free I understand tomorrow - distributed by the club. Donations are encouraged however which will go towards the Wiltshire Air Ambulence. stfc_tom

11:38am Fri 8 Feb 13

umpcah says...

stfc2012 wrote:
I think when we score a goal everyone should cheer.
Nice one ! I`ll second that !
[quote][p][bold]stfc2012[/bold] wrote: I think when we score a goal everyone should cheer.[/p][/quote]Nice one ! I`ll second that ! umpcah

11:40am Fri 8 Feb 13

bearwoodred says...

couldn't make it until 10.30am - now I can! just got tickets only few in Don left and Stratton Bank - over 9500 sold. 3.10 scarf ready.

COYR
couldn't make it until 10.30am - now I can! just got tickets only few in Don left and Stratton Bank - over 9500 sold. 3.10 scarf ready. COYR bearwoodred

11:43am Fri 8 Feb 13

Old-Stager, Hilperton says...

Doctor red wrote:
I will prescribe the Arkells crowd to stand up with me at 1510
Well done Averd over past 2 days a great effort!

The Doc
Knowing our luck, I suspect that Hartlepool will score at precisely 15.10
[quote][p][bold]Doctor red[/bold] wrote: I will prescribe the Arkells crowd to stand up with me at 1510 Well done Averd over past 2 days a great effort! The Doc[/p][/quote]Knowing our luck, I suspect that Hartlepool will score at precisely 15.10 Old-Stager, Hilperton

11:45am Fri 8 Feb 13

Oxon-Red says...

stfc2012 wrote:
I think when we score a goal everyone should cheer.
WHAT, even those in the Arkells :-)

COYMR
[quote][p][bold]stfc2012[/bold] wrote: I think when we score a goal everyone should cheer.[/p][/quote]WHAT, even those in the Arkells :-) COYMR Oxon-Red

11:51am Fri 8 Feb 13

Old-Stager, Hilperton says...

matt09 wrote:
i never quite understand the bashing of Sam and the team at the adver. If it wasnt for them i am pretty sure i would know a lot less of what is going on than i currently do.
the reason we dont know more is because of the conf agreement not because the adver isnt asking the questions.
having said all that i hope we arent in for a shock when these new board members names are released. will also be interested to see how much money Mr Black wanted back from the sale and where this consortium get that money from........more holding companies would be my guess.
I quite agree with you matt09, because the very first thing I look at every day of my life is the Adver STFC stories and comments.
Previously I always looked at the Official Swindon Town website up until they changed the format about six months ago, which seems as though it now conforms to the standard Football League presentation.
It is so bad that I rarely ever bother with the Club Website any more.
[quote][p][bold]matt09[/bold] wrote: i never quite understand the bashing of Sam and the team at the adver. If it wasnt for them i am pretty sure i would know a lot less of what is going on than i currently do. the reason we dont know more is because of the conf agreement not because the adver isnt asking the questions. having said all that i hope we arent in for a shock when these new board members names are released. will also be interested to see how much money Mr Black wanted back from the sale and where this consortium get that money from........more holding companies would be my guess.[/p][/quote]I quite agree with you matt09, because the very first thing I look at every day of my life is the Adver STFC stories and comments. Previously I always looked at the Official Swindon Town website up until they changed the format about six months ago, which seems as though it now conforms to the standard Football League presentation. It is so bad that I rarely ever bother with the Club Website any more. Old-Stager, Hilperton

11:52am Fri 8 Feb 13

grove red says...

Oxon-Red wrote:
stfc2012 wrote:
I think when we score a goal everyone should cheer.
WHAT, even those in the Arkells :-)

COYMR
15.10 it is then can the guys who do the scoreboard put a bit on there saying 15.10 stand up for PDC. Get fed up waiting for the FL maybe there fax machine is broke today or the guy who fax the docs has got the trots.
[quote][p][bold]Oxon-Red[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]stfc2012[/bold] wrote: I think when we score a goal everyone should cheer.[/p][/quote]WHAT, even those in the Arkells :-) COYMR[/p][/quote]15.10 it is then can the guys who do the scoreboard put a bit on there saying 15.10 stand up for PDC. Get fed up waiting for the FL maybe there fax machine is broke today or the guy who fax the docs has got the trots. grove red

11:56am Fri 8 Feb 13

grove red says...

Cox gone to Plymouth now. Is this the start of good news????
Cox gone to Plymouth now. Is this the start of good news???? grove red

11:57am Fri 8 Feb 13

The Jockster says...

stfc_tom wrote:
SAPFanSTFC wrote:
umpcah wrote:
stfc_tom wrote: Just to let everyone know there will be 8,000 red and white flags for the game tomorrow so be sure to pick one up. All the money will be going to the Wiltshire Air Ambulance charity so a doubly good cause. Lets get behind the lads and create a reall football atmosphere. The flags have been supplied by an annonymous individual rather than the club (although they will be distributed by the club). This individual wants to stay annonymous and will not reveive a penny from the sale of the flags. COYR!!!!
EXCELLENT !
This is fantastic news - smells as though the new consortium may have put some money up front to create a carnival atmosphere! ... Despite all of the FL admin illnesses is there a chance that they did get it all approved by close of play on the 5th working day!? ... I tend to trust Stilloyal's opinions above most and he's sounding pretty positive. If all is confirmed today then it could be meet the board time on the pitch before the game!?! ...let's hope the players give the crowd something to cheer tomorrow and if it is 9,500 then excellent....I'm sure we can get a few more walk-ins on the day for 10,000+ ....now that will be a tug at the heart strings as I love seeing the County Ground with a bit of life in it.
It wasn't the new consortium mate. A fan has paid for 8000 flags and they will be available for free I understand tomorrow - distributed by the club. Donations are encouraged however which will go towards the Wiltshire Air Ambulence.
Tom absolutely - the moral deal is they're not free because a minimum £1 goes in the AA pot = £8k for a good cause - be interesting to see exactly how much is raised because you can bet there'll be some tight scroats who will take a flag & won't even chuck in some shrapnel!
[quote][p][bold]stfc_tom[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SAPFanSTFC[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]umpcah[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]stfc_tom[/bold] wrote: Just to let everyone know there will be 8,000 red and white flags for the game tomorrow so be sure to pick one up. All the money will be going to the Wiltshire Air Ambulance charity so a doubly good cause. Lets get behind the lads and create a reall football atmosphere. The flags have been supplied by an annonymous individual rather than the club (although they will be distributed by the club). This individual wants to stay annonymous and will not reveive a penny from the sale of the flags. COYR!!!![/p][/quote]EXCELLENT ![/p][/quote]This is fantastic news - smells as though the new consortium may have put some money up front to create a carnival atmosphere! ... Despite all of the FL admin illnesses is there a chance that they did get it all approved by close of play on the 5th working day!? ... I tend to trust Stilloyal's opinions above most and he's sounding pretty positive. If all is confirmed today then it could be meet the board time on the pitch before the game!?! ...let's hope the players give the crowd something to cheer tomorrow and if it is 9,500 then excellent....I'm sure we can get a few more walk-ins on the day for 10,000+ ....now that will be a tug at the heart strings as I love seeing the County Ground with a bit of life in it.[/p][/quote]It wasn't the new consortium mate. A fan has paid for 8000 flags and they will be available for free I understand tomorrow - distributed by the club. Donations are encouraged however which will go towards the Wiltshire Air Ambulence.[/p][/quote]Tom absolutely - the moral deal is they're not free because a minimum £1 goes in the AA pot = £8k for a good cause - be interesting to see exactly how much is raised because you can bet there'll be some tight scroats who will take a flag & won't even chuck in some shrapnel! The Jockster

12:09pm Fri 8 Feb 13

umpcah says...

Old-Stager, Hilperton wrote:
matt09 wrote:
i never quite understand the bashing of Sam and the team at the adver. If it wasnt for them i am pretty sure i would know a lot less of what is going on than i currently do.
the reason we dont know more is because of the conf agreement not because the adver isnt asking the questions.
having said all that i hope we arent in for a shock when these new board members names are released. will also be interested to see how much money Mr Black wanted back from the sale and where this consortium get that money from........more holding companies would be my guess.
I quite agree with you matt09, because the very first thing I look at every day of my life is the Adver STFC stories and comments.
Previously I always looked at the Official Swindon Town website up until they changed the format about six months ago, which seems as though it now conforms to the standard Football League presentation.
It is so bad that I rarely ever bother with the Club Website any more.
" It is so bad that I rarely ever bother with the Club Website any more" ME too mate !
[quote][p][bold]Old-Stager, Hilperton[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]matt09[/bold] wrote: i never quite understand the bashing of Sam and the team at the adver. If it wasnt for them i am pretty sure i would know a lot less of what is going on than i currently do. the reason we dont know more is because of the conf agreement not because the adver isnt asking the questions. having said all that i hope we arent in for a shock when these new board members names are released. will also be interested to see how much money Mr Black wanted back from the sale and where this consortium get that money from........more holding companies would be my guess.[/p][/quote]I quite agree with you matt09, because the very first thing I look at every day of my life is the Adver STFC stories and comments. Previously I always looked at the Official Swindon Town website up until they changed the format about six months ago, which seems as though it now conforms to the standard Football League presentation. It is so bad that I rarely ever bother with the Club Website any more.[/p][/quote]" It is so bad that I rarely ever bother with the Club Website any more" ME too mate ! umpcah

12:10pm Fri 8 Feb 13

We are PANTS says...

grove red wrote:
Oxon-Red wrote:
stfc2012 wrote:
I think when we score a goal everyone should cheer.
WHAT, even those in the Arkells :-)

COYMR
15.10 it is then can the guys who do the scoreboard put a bit on there saying 15.10 stand up for PDC. Get fed up waiting for the FL maybe there fax machine is broke today or the guy who fax the docs has got the trots.
Everyone should set thier alarms for 3:10pm. That will be the cue to Stand up!! Within a few seconds it will be as noisy as you want it!!!
[quote][p][bold]grove red[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Oxon-Red[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]stfc2012[/bold] wrote: I think when we score a goal everyone should cheer.[/p][/quote]WHAT, even those in the Arkells :-) COYMR[/p][/quote]15.10 it is then can the guys who do the scoreboard put a bit on there saying 15.10 stand up for PDC. Get fed up waiting for the FL maybe there fax machine is broke today or the guy who fax the docs has got the trots.[/p][/quote]Everyone should set thier alarms for 3:10pm. That will be the cue to Stand up!! Within a few seconds it will be as noisy as you want it!!! We are PANTS

12:18pm Fri 8 Feb 13

Jeremy Hilary Boob says...

Lanky wrote:
bowralbob wrote:
Anyone have an idea how Paolo reacted to meeting the new owners?
Obviously the Advertiser doesn't know anything.
Bowrelbob and Potterred - ever heard of patience? "The adver doesn't know anything"....do you think they were invited in on the meeting themselves? And that Sam wouldn't have posted a story yesterday immediately afterwards if that was the case?

I'm not entirely sure what fans like you expect. From my point of view, Sam Morshead has done brilliantly over the past few weeks in bringing us the goings on at a blisteringly fast pace, and because of that, if there is not a brand new story in the morning, I take it as there is no news to report at that precise moment.

Follow him on Twitter if you want the most up-to-date ongoings as you usually get the story a few minutes before it is published here. But don't start moaning that the "the adver doesn't know anything". Luckily for us, they know far more than the ridiculous tabloids and fans such as yourselves.
Really?

I think the Adver have been guilty of hyping up a situation just to generate clicks on here and to sell newspapers.

Di Canio goes on about, say, the Town cocking up the 3 loan deals - did SM attempt to get his views on the fact that it wasn't the club's fault it was down to the FL? Instead we got a statement about "uncertainty", "untenable" and PDC kicking off and expecting the old board and the board to jump to his tune, when the latter in particular couldn't do anything.

If we're being brutally honest - the new owners might have been able to have a quiet word with the manager despite the NDA, but there is no way they could because they'd have to fear that PDC was likely to go public about it even if they told him not to.

On, and on the subject of SM/the Adver - "SN1"? Please stop it, it just looks stupid. I've lived here for 40+ years and no one ever calls the club or the stadium "SN1".
[quote][p][bold]Lanky[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]bowralbob[/bold] wrote: Anyone have an idea how Paolo reacted to meeting the new owners? Obviously the Advertiser doesn't know anything.[/p][/quote]Bowrelbob and Potterred - ever heard of patience? "The adver doesn't know anything"....do you think they were invited in on the meeting themselves? And that Sam wouldn't have posted a story yesterday immediately afterwards if that was the case? I'm not entirely sure what fans like you expect. From my point of view, Sam Morshead has done brilliantly over the past few weeks in bringing us the goings on at a blisteringly fast pace, and because of that, if there is not a brand new story in the morning, I take it as there is no news to report at that precise moment. Follow him on Twitter if you want the most up-to-date ongoings as you usually get the story a few minutes before it is published here. But don't start moaning that the "the adver doesn't know anything". Luckily for us, they know far more than the ridiculous tabloids and fans such as yourselves.[/p][/quote]Really? I think the Adver have been guilty of hyping up a situation just to generate clicks on here and to sell newspapers. Di Canio goes on about, say, the Town cocking up the 3 loan deals - did SM attempt to get his views on the fact that it wasn't the club's fault it was down to the FL? Instead we got a statement about "uncertainty", "untenable" and PDC kicking off and expecting the old board and the board to jump to his tune, when the latter in particular couldn't do anything. If we're being brutally honest - the new owners might have been able to have a quiet word with the manager despite the NDA, but there is no way they could because they'd have to fear that PDC was likely to go public about it even if they told him not to. On, and on the subject of SM/the Adver - "SN1"? Please stop it, it just looks stupid. I've lived here for 40+ years and no one ever calls the club or the stadium "SN1". Jeremy Hilary Boob

12:21pm Fri 8 Feb 13

Guv says...

http://www.bbc.co.uk
/sport/0/football/21
380551

hahaha
http://www.bbc.co.uk /sport/0/football/21 380551 hahaha Guv

12:27pm Fri 8 Feb 13

Guv says...

http://www.bbc.co.uk
/sport/0/football/21
372441

Nice to Paolo in number 18!
http://www.bbc.co.uk /sport/0/football/21 372441 Nice to Paolo in number 18! Guv

12:28pm Fri 8 Feb 13

Jeremy Hilary Boob says...

madterrier wrote:
I just hope that the Adver will be able to find out from someone....

- Is the new consortium willing to sustain the operating losses, reckoned to be £100,000 a week, for this season and the next if needs be, to deliver Championship football?

- How will this money be pumped into the club (equity or loans?), and what financial guarantees will be in place to prevent the plug from being pulled suddenly as Black did last month? This links to the PL proposals to secure operating losses against owners' assets.

I'm not expecting answers to these questions, although in essence, this is what Paolo will have wanted to know in his meeting. Because the 'plan' he bought into effectively required the club to lose money for the next eighteen months in the quest for the Championship. Nearly £2 million from here to summer 2014.

If we don't sell out the CG tomorrow, at just £15 a ticket, it puts the financial problem into sharp focus.
But those losses are unsustainable though and maybe PDC needs to realise that.

Fitton's line about the FLC being worth £10m/year doesn't seem to stack up. The FL TV deal is £195m/3 years = £65m/year. So that's probably only £2-2.5m per FLC team.

We might get some more on sponsorship and commercial activities, but some of the deals will already be in place for next season and beyond. We've got no exec boxes or anything like that, so matchday corporate hospitality is limited.

We'd get more away fans and some more home fans, but the CG would be the smallest ground in the FLC (Peterboro's holds 15,460), so we'd be well behind every one else on gate receipts, plus all the knock-on income: programmes, concessions, etc. But 2000 more spectators x £20 x 23 games only equals £920k - we simply can't case in like Bradford could in the FL Cup.

Does that add up to £10m a season? Doesn't seem that likely.

Against all that we'd have higher wages and bringing in FLC players instead of FL1 ones means higher transfer fees, even if we can be targetting new players better than we have done. And if we go down, we'd need to have relegation clauses built into contracts or we'd be in a mess.

Unless the new board are prepared to fund at least a new Town End no later than summer 2014 so we can start generating more income, then the current "plan" cannot continue. Fans need to realise that, and so does Di Canio.
[quote][p][bold]madterrier[/bold] wrote: I just hope that the Adver will be able to find out from someone.... - Is the new consortium willing to sustain the operating losses, reckoned to be £100,000 a week, for this season and the next if needs be, to deliver Championship football? - How will this money be pumped into the club (equity or loans?), and what financial guarantees will be in place to prevent the plug from being pulled suddenly as Black did last month? This links to the PL proposals to secure operating losses against owners' assets. I'm not expecting answers to these questions, although in essence, this is what Paolo will have wanted to know in his meeting. Because the 'plan' he bought into effectively required the club to lose money for the next eighteen months in the quest for the Championship. Nearly £2 million from here to summer 2014. If we don't sell out the CG tomorrow, at just £15 a ticket, it puts the financial problem into sharp focus.[/p][/quote]But those losses are unsustainable though and maybe PDC needs to realise that. Fitton's line about the FLC being worth £10m/year doesn't seem to stack up. The FL TV deal is £195m/3 years = £65m/year. So that's probably only £2-2.5m per FLC team. We might get some more on sponsorship and commercial activities, but some of the deals will already be in place for next season and beyond. We've got no exec boxes or anything like that, so matchday corporate hospitality is limited. We'd get more away fans and some more home fans, but the CG would be the smallest ground in the FLC (Peterboro's holds 15,460), so we'd be well behind every one else on gate receipts, plus all the knock-on income: programmes, concessions, etc. But 2000 more spectators x £20 x 23 games only equals £920k - we simply can't case in like Bradford could in the FL Cup. Does that add up to £10m a season? Doesn't seem that likely. Against all that we'd have higher wages and bringing in FLC players instead of FL1 ones means higher transfer fees, even if we can be targetting new players better than we have done. And if we go down, we'd need to have relegation clauses built into contracts or we'd be in a mess. Unless the new board are prepared to fund at least a new Town End no later than summer 2014 so we can start generating more income, then the current "plan" cannot continue. Fans need to realise that, and so does Di Canio. Jeremy Hilary Boob

12:49pm Fri 8 Feb 13

madterrier says...

JHB - I'm well aware that such losses are unsustainable, but will Paolo? Or does he think that 'dreamchasing' is fine so long as it's OPM?

On the ground, we really are getting left behind. The CG is dated, limited and doesn't stack up against the grounds owned or planned by our neighbours, as well as those in the Championship. Hard to be optimistic or see what the answer is, with the restrictive covenant on the CG as it is. Pompey have a similar covenant, which ties their hands considerably too.
JHB - I'm well aware that such losses are unsustainable, but will Paolo? Or does he think that 'dreamchasing' is fine so long as it's OPM? On the ground, we really are getting left behind. The CG is dated, limited and doesn't stack up against the grounds owned or planned by our neighbours, as well as those in the Championship. Hard to be optimistic or see what the answer is, with the restrictive covenant on the CG as it is. Pompey have a similar covenant, which ties their hands considerably too. madterrier

12:53pm Fri 8 Feb 13

Swindon1984 says...

Jeremy Hilary Boob wrote:
madterrier wrote: I just hope that the Adver will be able to find out from someone.... - Is the new consortium willing to sustain the operating losses, reckoned to be £100,000 a week, for this season and the next if needs be, to deliver Championship football? - How will this money be pumped into the club (equity or loans?), and what financial guarantees will be in place to prevent the plug from being pulled suddenly as Black did last month? This links to the PL proposals to secure operating losses against owners' assets. I'm not expecting answers to these questions, although in essence, this is what Paolo will have wanted to know in his meeting. Because the 'plan' he bought into effectively required the club to lose money for the next eighteen months in the quest for the Championship. Nearly £2 million from here to summer 2014. If we don't sell out the CG tomorrow, at just £15 a ticket, it puts the financial problem into sharp focus.
But those losses are unsustainable though and maybe PDC needs to realise that. Fitton's line about the FLC being worth £10m/year doesn't seem to stack up. The FL TV deal is £195m/3 years = £65m/year. So that's probably only £2-2.5m per FLC team. We might get some more on sponsorship and commercial activities, but some of the deals will already be in place for next season and beyond. We've got no exec boxes or anything like that, so matchday corporate hospitality is limited. We'd get more away fans and some more home fans, but the CG would be the smallest ground in the FLC (Peterboro's holds 15,460), so we'd be well behind every one else on gate receipts, plus all the knock-on income: programmes, concessions, etc. But 2000 more spectators x £20 x 23 games only equals £920k - we simply can't case in like Bradford could in the FL Cup. Does that add up to £10m a season? Doesn't seem that likely. Against all that we'd have higher wages and bringing in FLC players instead of FL1 ones means higher transfer fees, even if we can be targetting new players better than we have done. And if we go down, we'd need to have relegation clauses built into contracts or we'd be in a mess. Unless the new board are prepared to fund at least a new Town End no later than summer 2014 so we can start generating more income, then the current "plan" cannot continue. Fans need to realise that, and so does Di Canio.
Would have to agree, the amount of money we can generate from the CG just doesn't seem to be enough to get and sustain championship football, much as I hate the idea of the club moving out of town. Any prospective owner must surely know all this though so either a) their ambitions don't PDC's and many fans, and Paolo will walk or b) they have some kind of plan. Will be interesting to see which.
[quote][p][bold]Jeremy Hilary Boob[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]madterrier[/bold] wrote: I just hope that the Adver will be able to find out from someone.... - Is the new consortium willing to sustain the operating losses, reckoned to be £100,000 a week, for this season and the next if needs be, to deliver Championship football? - How will this money be pumped into the club (equity or loans?), and what financial guarantees will be in place to prevent the plug from being pulled suddenly as Black did last month? This links to the PL proposals to secure operating losses against owners' assets. I'm not expecting answers to these questions, although in essence, this is what Paolo will have wanted to know in his meeting. Because the 'plan' he bought into effectively required the club to lose money for the next eighteen months in the quest for the Championship. Nearly £2 million from here to summer 2014. If we don't sell out the CG tomorrow, at just £15 a ticket, it puts the financial problem into sharp focus.[/p][/quote]But those losses are unsustainable though and maybe PDC needs to realise that. Fitton's line about the FLC being worth £10m/year doesn't seem to stack up. The FL TV deal is £195m/3 years = £65m/year. So that's probably only £2-2.5m per FLC team. We might get some more on sponsorship and commercial activities, but some of the deals will already be in place for next season and beyond. We've got no exec boxes or anything like that, so matchday corporate hospitality is limited. We'd get more away fans and some more home fans, but the CG would be the smallest ground in the FLC (Peterboro's holds 15,460), so we'd be well behind every one else on gate receipts, plus all the knock-on income: programmes, concessions, etc. But 2000 more spectators x £20 x 23 games only equals £920k - we simply can't case in like Bradford could in the FL Cup. Does that add up to £10m a season? Doesn't seem that likely. Against all that we'd have higher wages and bringing in FLC players instead of FL1 ones means higher transfer fees, even if we can be targetting new players better than we have done. And if we go down, we'd need to have relegation clauses built into contracts or we'd be in a mess. Unless the new board are prepared to fund at least a new Town End no later than summer 2014 so we can start generating more income, then the current "plan" cannot continue. Fans need to realise that, and so does Di Canio.[/p][/quote]Would have to agree, the amount of money we can generate from the CG just doesn't seem to be enough to get and sustain championship football, much as I hate the idea of the club moving out of town. Any prospective owner must surely know all this though so either a) their ambitions don't PDC's and many fans, and Paolo will walk or b) they have some kind of plan. Will be interesting to see which. Swindon1984

12:56pm Fri 8 Feb 13

TheDukeOfBanbury says...

Guv wrote:
http://www.bbc.co.uk

/sport/0/football/21

372441

Nice to Paolo in number 18!
What are you doing back here ?
[quote][p][bold]Guv[/bold] wrote: http://www.bbc.co.uk /sport/0/football/21 372441 Nice to Paolo in number 18![/p][/quote]What are you doing back here ? TheDukeOfBanbury

1:01pm Fri 8 Feb 13

Oi Den! says...

Jeremy Hilary Boob wrote:
madterrier wrote:
I just hope that the Adver will be able to find out from someone....

- Is the new consortium willing to sustain the operating losses, reckoned to be £100,000 a week, for this season and the next if needs be, to deliver Championship football?

- How will this money be pumped into the club (equity or loans?), and what financial guarantees will be in place to prevent the plug from being pulled suddenly as Black did last month? This links to the PL proposals to secure operating losses against owners' assets.

I'm not expecting answers to these questions, although in essence, this is what Paolo will have wanted to know in his meeting. Because the 'plan' he bought into effectively required the club to lose money for the next eighteen months in the quest for the Championship. Nearly £2 million from here to summer 2014.

If we don't sell out the CG tomorrow, at just £15 a ticket, it puts the financial problem into sharp focus.
But those losses are unsustainable though and maybe PDC needs to realise that.

Fitton's line about the FLC being worth £10m/year doesn't seem to stack up. The FL TV deal is £195m/3 years = £65m/year. So that's probably only £2-2.5m per FLC team.

We might get some more on sponsorship and commercial activities, but some of the deals will already be in place for next season and beyond. We've got no exec boxes or anything like that, so matchday corporate hospitality is limited.

We'd get more away fans and some more home fans, but the CG would be the smallest ground in the FLC (Peterboro's holds 15,460), so we'd be well behind every one else on gate receipts, plus all the knock-on income: programmes, concessions, etc. But 2000 more spectators x £20 x 23 games only equals £920k - we simply can't case in like Bradford could in the FL Cup.

Does that add up to £10m a season? Doesn't seem that likely.

Against all that we'd have higher wages and bringing in FLC players instead of FL1 ones means higher transfer fees, even if we can be targetting new players better than we have done. And if we go down, we'd need to have relegation clauses built into contracts or we'd be in a mess.

Unless the new board are prepared to fund at least a new Town End no later than summer 2014 so we can start generating more income, then the current "plan" cannot continue. Fans need to realise that, and so does Di Canio.
A couple of good posts that address the real issues facing the club.
.
I agree that the ground has to be dedeveloped soon if we harbour serious hopes of establishing ourselves at a higher level. If and when the new owners do get their feet under the table, I think one of the first things we need to hear from them is what, if anything, they intend to do about it. As much as I am grateful to the outgoing owners, I don't think they were straight with the supporters on their plans for redevelopment or about the obstacles that might be preventing them coming to fruition.

But, for all that, sometimes I wonder if the bottom line is that the Swindon area just doesn't contain enough real football fans (people who want to support a club in a practical sense, i.e. with money and voice) to sustain a football club playing at a decent level.
[quote][p][bold]Jeremy Hilary Boob[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]madterrier[/bold] wrote: I just hope that the Adver will be able to find out from someone.... - Is the new consortium willing to sustain the operating losses, reckoned to be £100,000 a week, for this season and the next if needs be, to deliver Championship football? - How will this money be pumped into the club (equity or loans?), and what financial guarantees will be in place to prevent the plug from being pulled suddenly as Black did last month? This links to the PL proposals to secure operating losses against owners' assets. I'm not expecting answers to these questions, although in essence, this is what Paolo will have wanted to know in his meeting. Because the 'plan' he bought into effectively required the club to lose money for the next eighteen months in the quest for the Championship. Nearly £2 million from here to summer 2014. If we don't sell out the CG tomorrow, at just £15 a ticket, it puts the financial problem into sharp focus.[/p][/quote]But those losses are unsustainable though and maybe PDC needs to realise that. Fitton's line about the FLC being worth £10m/year doesn't seem to stack up. The FL TV deal is £195m/3 years = £65m/year. So that's probably only £2-2.5m per FLC team. We might get some more on sponsorship and commercial activities, but some of the deals will already be in place for next season and beyond. We've got no exec boxes or anything like that, so matchday corporate hospitality is limited. We'd get more away fans and some more home fans, but the CG would be the smallest ground in the FLC (Peterboro's holds 15,460), so we'd be well behind every one else on gate receipts, plus all the knock-on income: programmes, concessions, etc. But 2000 more spectators x £20 x 23 games only equals £920k - we simply can't case in like Bradford could in the FL Cup. Does that add up to £10m a season? Doesn't seem that likely. Against all that we'd have higher wages and bringing in FLC players instead of FL1 ones means higher transfer fees, even if we can be targetting new players better than we have done. And if we go down, we'd need to have relegation clauses built into contracts or we'd be in a mess. Unless the new board are prepared to fund at least a new Town End no later than summer 2014 so we can start generating more income, then the current "plan" cannot continue. Fans need to realise that, and so does Di Canio.[/p][/quote]A couple of good posts that address the real issues facing the club. . I agree that the ground has to be dedeveloped soon if we harbour serious hopes of establishing ourselves at a higher level. If and when the new owners do get their feet under the table, I think one of the first things we need to hear from them is what, if anything, they intend to do about it. As much as I am grateful to the outgoing owners, I don't think they were straight with the supporters on their plans for redevelopment or about the obstacles that might be preventing them coming to fruition. But, for all that, sometimes I wonder if the bottom line is that the Swindon area just doesn't contain enough real football fans (people who want to support a club in a practical sense, i.e. with money and voice) to sustain a football club playing at a decent level. Oi Den!

1:04pm Fri 8 Feb 13

the owl says...

Like any other employee Di Canio can, if he chooses, listen to the new owners plans and decide if he wishes to continue his job or otherwise.
His immature and petulant manner to date suggests he believes he is more important than the club itself .
When all said and done he is just one more manager with an ego somewhat larger than his ability and the world will continue to revolve whatever his decision.

In a few weeks the faithfull will be singing AN Others Red and White Army and moaning and groaning about this and that.
Welcome to the real world
Like any other employee Di Canio can, if he chooses, listen to the new owners plans and decide if he wishes to continue his job or otherwise. His immature and petulant manner to date suggests he believes he is more important than the club itself . When all said and done he is just one more manager with an ego somewhat larger than his ability and the world will continue to revolve whatever his decision. In a few weeks the faithfull will be singing AN Others Red and White Army and moaning and groaning about this and that. Welcome to the real world the owl

1:05pm Fri 8 Feb 13

Swindon1984 says...

Blazing Riff wrote:
Nikki Nythe wrote: Guv please give us an update you have been right all along and I want a real update is PFC staying
He hasn't!
PFC? Bloody hell...

Anyone who makes predictions (or guesses more to the point) all the time will, eventually, by the law of averages, get something right. Any non-darts player given twenty, thirty, a hundred goes, will eventually get a bullseye. This doesn't make them good at darts, anymore than talking a load of nonsense and eventually hitting on something that actually happens makes a person Nostradamus. We only know what we're told, which might be frustrating at the moment, but looking for inside info on here is like looking for answers from a clairvoyant, you'll get told what you want to hear, you'll be bamboozled with any number of statements, and you'll ONLY remember the ones they get right. Patience people, patience.
[quote][p][bold]Blazing Riff[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Nikki Nythe[/bold] wrote: Guv please give us an update you have been right all along and I want a real update is PFC staying[/p][/quote]He hasn't![/p][/quote]PFC? Bloody hell... Anyone who makes predictions (or guesses more to the point) all the time will, eventually, by the law of averages, get something right. Any non-darts player given twenty, thirty, a hundred goes, will eventually get a bullseye. This doesn't make them good at darts, anymore than talking a load of nonsense and eventually hitting on something that actually happens makes a person Nostradamus. We only know what we're told, which might be frustrating at the moment, but looking for inside info on here is like looking for answers from a clairvoyant, you'll get told what you want to hear, you'll be bamboozled with any number of statements, and you'll ONLY remember the ones they get right. Patience people, patience. Swindon1984

1:11pm Fri 8 Feb 13

Oi Den! says...

madterrier wrote:
JHB - I'm well aware that such losses are unsustainable, but will Paolo? Or does he think that 'dreamchasing' is fine so long as it's OPM?

On the ground, we really are getting left behind. The CG is dated, limited and doesn't stack up against the grounds owned or planned by our neighbours, as well as those in the Championship. Hard to be optimistic or see what the answer is, with the restrictive covenant on the CG as it is. Pompey have a similar covenant, which ties their hands considerably too.
terrier, does anyone know whether the restrictive covenant actually exists? It's often referred to on here but I don't think I've ever seen any confirmation. I still think biggest task facing the club may be the prising of the freehold away from the Council. In some respects that might not be a bad thing. I shudder to think what might have happened if some of our previous STFC regimes had got their hands on it. I can think of a few individuals who might have filled their boots and left the club in the lurch. And we still need to guard against that.
[quote][p][bold]madterrier[/bold] wrote: JHB - I'm well aware that such losses are unsustainable, but will Paolo? Or does he think that 'dreamchasing' is fine so long as it's OPM? On the ground, we really are getting left behind. The CG is dated, limited and doesn't stack up against the grounds owned or planned by our neighbours, as well as those in the Championship. Hard to be optimistic or see what the answer is, with the restrictive covenant on the CG as it is. Pompey have a similar covenant, which ties their hands considerably too.[/p][/quote]terrier, does anyone know whether the restrictive covenant actually exists? It's often referred to on here but I don't think I've ever seen any confirmation. I still think biggest task facing the club may be the prising of the freehold away from the Council. In some respects that might not be a bad thing. I shudder to think what might have happened if some of our previous STFC regimes had got their hands on it. I can think of a few individuals who might have filled their boots and left the club in the lurch. And we still need to guard against that. Oi Den!

1:13pm Fri 8 Feb 13

Oi Den! says...

Oi Den! wrote:
Jeremy Hilary Boob wrote:
madterrier wrote:
I just hope that the Adver will be able to find out from someone....

- Is the new consortium willing to sustain the operating losses, reckoned to be £100,000 a week, for this season and the next if needs be, to deliver Championship football?

- How will this money be pumped into the club (equity or loans?), and what financial guarantees will be in place to prevent the plug from being pulled suddenly as Black did last month? This links to the PL proposals to secure operating losses against owners' assets.

I'm not expecting answers to these questions, although in essence, this is what Paolo will have wanted to know in his meeting. Because the 'plan' he bought into effectively required the club to lose money for the next eighteen months in the quest for the Championship. Nearly £2 million from here to summer 2014.

If we don't sell out the CG tomorrow, at just £15 a ticket, it puts the financial problem into sharp focus.
But those losses are unsustainable though and maybe PDC needs to realise that.

Fitton's line about the FLC being worth £10m/year doesn't seem to stack up. The FL TV deal is £195m/3 years = £65m/year. So that's probably only £2-2.5m per FLC team.

We might get some more on sponsorship and commercial activities, but some of the deals will already be in place for next season and beyond. We've got no exec boxes or anything like that, so matchday corporate hospitality is limited.

We'd get more away fans and some more home fans, but the CG would be the smallest ground in the FLC (Peterboro's holds 15,460), so we'd be well behind every one else on gate receipts, plus all the knock-on income: programmes, concessions, etc. But 2000 more spectators x £20 x 23 games only equals £920k - we simply can't case in like Bradford could in the FL Cup.

Does that add up to £10m a season? Doesn't seem that likely.

Against all that we'd have higher wages and bringing in FLC players instead of FL1 ones means higher transfer fees, even if we can be targetting new players better than we have done. And if we go down, we'd need to have relegation clauses built into contracts or we'd be in a mess.

Unless the new board are prepared to fund at least a new Town End no later than summer 2014 so we can start generating more income, then the current "plan" cannot continue. Fans need to realise that, and so does Di Canio.
A couple of good posts that address the real issues facing the club.
.
I agree that the ground has to be dedeveloped soon if we harbour serious hopes of establishing ourselves at a higher level. If and when the new owners do get their feet under the table, I think one of the first things we need to hear from them is what, if anything, they intend to do about it. As much as I am grateful to the outgoing owners, I don't think they were straight with the supporters on their plans for redevelopment or about the obstacles that might be preventing them coming to fruition.

But, for all that, sometimes I wonder if the bottom line is that the Swindon area just doesn't contain enough real football fans (people who want to support a club in a practical sense, i.e. with money and voice) to sustain a football club playing at a decent level.
dedeveloped? - er, no, not a good idea.
[quote][p][bold]Oi Den![/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Jeremy Hilary Boob[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]madterrier[/bold] wrote: I just hope that the Adver will be able to find out from someone.... - Is the new consortium willing to sustain the operating losses, reckoned to be £100,000 a week, for this season and the next if needs be, to deliver Championship football? - How will this money be pumped into the club (equity or loans?), and what financial guarantees will be in place to prevent the plug from being pulled suddenly as Black did last month? This links to the PL proposals to secure operating losses against owners' assets. I'm not expecting answers to these questions, although in essence, this is what Paolo will have wanted to know in his meeting. Because the 'plan' he bought into effectively required the club to lose money for the next eighteen months in the quest for the Championship. Nearly £2 million from here to summer 2014. If we don't sell out the CG tomorrow, at just £15 a ticket, it puts the financial problem into sharp focus.[/p][/quote]But those losses are unsustainable though and maybe PDC needs to realise that. Fitton's line about the FLC being worth £10m/year doesn't seem to stack up. The FL TV deal is £195m/3 years = £65m/year. So that's probably only £2-2.5m per FLC team. We might get some more on sponsorship and commercial activities, but some of the deals will already be in place for next season and beyond. We've got no exec boxes or anything like that, so matchday corporate hospitality is limited. We'd get more away fans and some more home fans, but the CG would be the smallest ground in the FLC (Peterboro's holds 15,460), so we'd be well behind every one else on gate receipts, plus all the knock-on income: programmes, concessions, etc. But 2000 more spectators x £20 x 23 games only equals £920k - we simply can't case in like Bradford could in the FL Cup. Does that add up to £10m a season? Doesn't seem that likely. Against all that we'd have higher wages and bringing in FLC players instead of FL1 ones means higher transfer fees, even if we can be targetting new players better than we have done. And if we go down, we'd need to have relegation clauses built into contracts or we'd be in a mess. Unless the new board are prepared to fund at least a new Town End no later than summer 2014 so we can start generating more income, then the current "plan" cannot continue. Fans need to realise that, and so does Di Canio.[/p][/quote]A couple of good posts that address the real issues facing the club. . I agree that the ground has to be dedeveloped soon if we harbour serious hopes of establishing ourselves at a higher level. If and when the new owners do get their feet under the table, I think one of the first things we need to hear from them is what, if anything, they intend to do about it. As much as I am grateful to the outgoing owners, I don't think they were straight with the supporters on their plans for redevelopment or about the obstacles that might be preventing them coming to fruition. But, for all that, sometimes I wonder if the bottom line is that the Swindon area just doesn't contain enough real football fans (people who want to support a club in a practical sense, i.e. with money and voice) to sustain a football club playing at a decent level.[/p][/quote]dedeveloped? - er, no, not a good idea. Oi Den!

1:18pm Fri 8 Feb 13

Exmouth_red69 says...

Takeover will not be complete until next week, sam twitter!
Takeover will not be complete until next week, sam twitter! Exmouth_red69

1:18pm Fri 8 Feb 13

southwest man says...

It appears we have to wait until next week,Patience is needed.
It appears we have to wait until next week,Patience is needed. southwest man

1:27pm Fri 8 Feb 13

madterrier says...

Den - Maybe the mysterious covenant could become the basis of a new film?

'Paolo Di Canio and the Quest for the County Ground Covenant'.

Of course, Paolo Di Canio would have to be played by James Nesbitt (no contest on that one). The leader of Swindon Council by Nigel Paperclip-Boxfile, and perhaps Alan Rickman as the mad but mysterious timelord who has the password to the secret covenant filing cabinet.

To give the film its Hollywood legs, let's add in Brad Pitt as the swashbuckling American property tycoon who parachutes into Wiltshire ostensibly to turn the CG into a new Tesco Horseburger factory but ends up falling in love with the club, and Doris the tea lady in particular, and extracts the password from the time lord and signs Danny Green on a loan deal rumoured to be....(continued page 94)
Den - Maybe the mysterious covenant could become the basis of a new film? 'Paolo Di Canio and the Quest for the County Ground Covenant'. Of course, Paolo Di Canio would have to be played by James Nesbitt (no contest on that one). The leader of Swindon Council by Nigel Paperclip-Boxfile, and perhaps Alan Rickman as the mad but mysterious timelord who has the password to the secret covenant filing cabinet. To give the film its Hollywood legs, let's add in Brad Pitt as the swashbuckling American property tycoon who parachutes into Wiltshire ostensibly to turn the CG into a new Tesco Horseburger factory but ends up falling in love with the club, and Doris the tea lady in particular, and extracts the password from the time lord and signs Danny Green on a loan deal rumoured to be....(continued page 94) madterrier

1:43pm Fri 8 Feb 13

Davidsyrett says...

Oi Den! wrote:
Oi Den! wrote:
Jeremy Hilary Boob wrote:
madterrier wrote:
I just hope that the Adver will be able to find out from someone....

- Is the new consortium willing to sustain the operating losses, reckoned to be £100,000 a week, for this season and the next if needs be, to deliver Championship football?

- How will this money be pumped into the club (equity or loans?), and what financial guarantees will be in place to prevent the plug from being pulled suddenly as Black did last month? This links to the PL proposals to secure operating losses against owners' assets.

I'm not expecting answers to these questions, although in essence, this is what Paolo will have wanted to know in his meeting. Because the 'plan' he bought into effectively required the club to lose money for the next eighteen months in the quest for the Championship. Nearly £2 million from here to summer 2014.

If we don't sell out the CG tomorrow, at just £15 a ticket, it puts the financial problem into sharp focus.
But those losses are unsustainable though and maybe PDC needs to realise that.

Fitton's line about the FLC being worth £10m/year doesn't seem to stack up. The FL TV deal is £195m/3 years = £65m/year. So that's probably only £2-2.5m per FLC team.

We might get some more on sponsorship and commercial activities, but some of the deals will already be in place for next season and beyond. We've got no exec boxes or anything like that, so matchday corporate hospitality is limited.

We'd get more away fans and some more home fans, but the CG would be the smallest ground in the FLC (Peterboro's holds 15,460), so we'd be well behind every one else on gate receipts, plus all the knock-on income: programmes, concessions, etc. But 2000 more spectators x £20 x 23 games only equals £920k - we simply can't case in like Bradford could in the FL Cup.

Does that add up to £10m a season? Doesn't seem that likely.

Against all that we'd have higher wages and bringing in FLC players instead of FL1 ones means higher transfer fees, even if we can be targetting new players better than we have done. And if we go down, we'd need to have relegation clauses built into contracts or we'd be in a mess.

Unless the new board are prepared to fund at least a new Town End no later than summer 2014 so we can start generating more income, then the current "plan" cannot continue. Fans need to realise that, and so does Di Canio.
A couple of good posts that address the real issues facing the club.
.
I agree that the ground has to be dedeveloped soon if we harbour serious hopes of establishing ourselves at a higher level. If and when the new owners do get their feet under the table, I think one of the first things we need to hear from them is what, if anything, they intend to do about it. As much as I am grateful to the outgoing owners, I don't think they were straight with the supporters on their plans for redevelopment or about the obstacles that might be preventing them coming to fruition.

But, for all that, sometimes I wonder if the bottom line is that the Swindon area just doesn't contain enough real football fans (people who want to support a club in a practical sense, i.e. with money and voice) to sustain a football club playing at a decent level.
dedeveloped? - er, no, not a good idea.
What we need is a board that have far sighted plans for the club, probably a 7 to 10 year plan

AF plans for a sustainable Championship club in five years were totally unrealistic and will remain so until the problem of the ground has been sorted out.

There is a covenant restricting the use of the area around the ground, but I'm not sure about the ground itself.

If we do go up next season, my guess would be a £1/1.5M loss for the season.

We need at least a 20,000 stadium and 24hr revenue. the investment will be vast, whether new ground or development, something along the lines of what Brighton achieved would be a good marker.

Whether or not the new board will aim that high will be interesting to see, I have no doubt that their ambition will have to match PdC's if he's to stay here for any length of time.
[quote][p][bold]Oi Den![/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Oi Den![/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Jeremy Hilary Boob[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]madterrier[/bold] wrote: I just hope that the Adver will be able to find out from someone.... - Is the new consortium willing to sustain the operating losses, reckoned to be £100,000 a week, for this season and the next if needs be, to deliver Championship football? - How will this money be pumped into the club (equity or loans?), and what financial guarantees will be in place to prevent the plug from being pulled suddenly as Black did last month? This links to the PL proposals to secure operating losses against owners' assets. I'm not expecting answers to these questions, although in essence, this is what Paolo will have wanted to know in his meeting. Because the 'plan' he bought into effectively required the club to lose money for the next eighteen months in the quest for the Championship. Nearly £2 million from here to summer 2014. If we don't sell out the CG tomorrow, at just £15 a ticket, it puts the financial problem into sharp focus.[/p][/quote]But those losses are unsustainable though and maybe PDC needs to realise that. Fitton's line about the FLC being worth £10m/year doesn't seem to stack up. The FL TV deal is £195m/3 years = £65m/year. So that's probably only £2-2.5m per FLC team. We might get some more on sponsorship and commercial activities, but some of the deals will already be in place for next season and beyond. We've got no exec boxes or anything like that, so matchday corporate hospitality is limited. We'd get more away fans and some more home fans, but the CG would be the smallest ground in the FLC (Peterboro's holds 15,460), so we'd be well behind every one else on gate receipts, plus all the knock-on income: programmes, concessions, etc. But 2000 more spectators x £20 x 23 games only equals £920k - we simply can't case in like Bradford could in the FL Cup. Does that add up to £10m a season? Doesn't seem that likely. Against all that we'd have higher wages and bringing in FLC players instead of FL1 ones means higher transfer fees, even if we can be targetting new players better than we have done. And if we go down, we'd need to have relegation clauses built into contracts or we'd be in a mess. Unless the new board are prepared to fund at least a new Town End no later than summer 2014 so we can start generating more income, then the current "plan" cannot continue. Fans need to realise that, and so does Di Canio.[/p][/quote]A couple of good posts that address the real issues facing the club. . I agree that the ground has to be dedeveloped soon if we harbour serious hopes of establishing ourselves at a higher level. If and when the new owners do get their feet under the table, I think one of the first things we need to hear from them is what, if anything, they intend to do about it. As much as I am grateful to the outgoing owners, I don't think they were straight with the supporters on their plans for redevelopment or about the obstacles that might be preventing them coming to fruition. But, for all that, sometimes I wonder if the bottom line is that the Swindon area just doesn't contain enough real football fans (people who want to support a club in a practical sense, i.e. with money and voice) to sustain a football club playing at a decent level.[/p][/quote]dedeveloped? - er, no, not a good idea.[/p][/quote]What we need is a board that have far sighted plans for the club, probably a 7 to 10 year plan AF plans for a sustainable Championship club in five years were totally unrealistic and will remain so until the problem of the ground has been sorted out. There is a covenant restricting the use of the area around the ground, but I'm not sure about the ground itself. If we do go up next season, my guess would be a £1/1.5M loss for the season. We need at least a 20,000 stadium and 24hr revenue. the investment will be vast, whether new ground or development, something along the lines of what Brighton achieved would be a good marker. Whether or not the new board will aim that high will be interesting to see, I have no doubt that their ambition will have to match PdC's if he's to stay here for any length of time. Davidsyrett

1:43pm Fri 8 Feb 13

Davidsyrett says...

Oi Den! wrote:
Oi Den! wrote:
Jeremy Hilary Boob wrote:
madterrier wrote:
I just hope that the Adver will be able to find out from someone....

- Is the new consortium willing to sustain the operating losses, reckoned to be £100,000 a week, for this season and the next if needs be, to deliver Championship football?

- How will this money be pumped into the club (equity or loans?), and what financial guarantees will be in place to prevent the plug from being pulled suddenly as Black did last month? This links to the PL proposals to secure operating losses against owners' assets.

I'm not expecting answers to these questions, although in essence, this is what Paolo will have wanted to know in his meeting. Because the 'plan' he bought into effectively required the club to lose money for the next eighteen months in the quest for the Championship. Nearly £2 million from here to summer 2014.

If we don't sell out the CG tomorrow, at just £15 a ticket, it puts the financial problem into sharp focus.
But those losses are unsustainable though and maybe PDC needs to realise that.

Fitton's line about the FLC being worth £10m/year doesn't seem to stack up. The FL TV deal is £195m/3 years = £65m/year. So that's probably only £2-2.5m per FLC team.

We might get some more on sponsorship and commercial activities, but some of the deals will already be in place for next season and beyond. We've got no exec boxes or anything like that, so matchday corporate hospitality is limited.

We'd get more away fans and some more home fans, but the CG would be the smallest ground in the FLC (Peterboro's holds 15,460), so we'd be well behind every one else on gate receipts, plus all the knock-on income: programmes, concessions, etc. But 2000 more spectators x £20 x 23 games only equals £920k - we simply can't case in like Bradford could in the FL Cup.

Does that add up to £10m a season? Doesn't seem that likely.

Against all that we'd have higher wages and bringing in FLC players instead of FL1 ones means higher transfer fees, even if we can be targetting new players better than we have done. And if we go down, we'd need to have relegation clauses built into contracts or we'd be in a mess.

Unless the new board are prepared to fund at least a new Town End no later than summer 2014 so we can start generating more income, then the current "plan" cannot continue. Fans need to realise that, and so does Di Canio.
A couple of good posts that address the real issues facing the club.
.
I agree that the ground has to be dedeveloped soon if we harbour serious hopes of establishing ourselves at a higher level. If and when the new owners do get their feet under the table, I think one of the first things we need to hear from them is what, if anything, they intend to do about it. As much as I am grateful to the outgoing owners, I don't think they were straight with the supporters on their plans for redevelopment or about the obstacles that might be preventing them coming to fruition.

But, for all that, sometimes I wonder if the bottom line is that the Swindon area just doesn't contain enough real football fans (people who want to support a club in a practical sense, i.e. with money and voice) to sustain a football club playing at a decent level.
dedeveloped? - er, no, not a good idea.
What we need is a board that have far sighted plans for the club, probably a 7 to 10 year plan

AF plans for a sustainable Championship club in five years were totally unrealistic and will remain so until the problem of the ground has been sorted out.

There is a covenant restricting the use of the area around the ground, but I'm not sure about the ground itself.

If we do go up next season, my guess would be a £1/1.5M loss for the season.

We need at least a 20,000 stadium and 24hr revenue. the investment will be vast, whether new ground or development, something along the lines of what Brighton achieved would be a good marker.

Whether or not the new board will aim that high will be interesting to see, I have no doubt that their ambition will have to match PdC's if he's to stay here for any length of time.
[quote][p][bold]Oi Den![/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Oi Den![/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Jeremy Hilary Boob[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]madterrier[/bold] wrote: I just hope that the Adver will be able to find out from someone.... - Is the new consortium willing to sustain the operating losses, reckoned to be £100,000 a week, for this season and the next if needs be, to deliver Championship football? - How will this money be pumped into the club (equity or loans?), and what financial guarantees will be in place to prevent the plug from being pulled suddenly as Black did last month? This links to the PL proposals to secure operating losses against owners' assets. I'm not expecting answers to these questions, although in essence, this is what Paolo will have wanted to know in his meeting. Because the 'plan' he bought into effectively required the club to lose money for the next eighteen months in the quest for the Championship. Nearly £2 million from here to summer 2014. If we don't sell out the CG tomorrow, at just £15 a ticket, it puts the financial problem into sharp focus.[/p][/quote]But those losses are unsustainable though and maybe PDC needs to realise that. Fitton's line about the FLC being worth £10m/year doesn't seem to stack up. The FL TV deal is £195m/3 years = £65m/year. So that's probably only £2-2.5m per FLC team. We might get some more on sponsorship and commercial activities, but some of the deals will already be in place for next season and beyond. We've got no exec boxes or anything like that, so matchday corporate hospitality is limited. We'd get more away fans and some more home fans, but the CG would be the smallest ground in the FLC (Peterboro's holds 15,460), so we'd be well behind every one else on gate receipts, plus all the knock-on income: programmes, concessions, etc. But 2000 more spectators x £20 x 23 games only equals £920k - we simply can't case in like Bradford could in the FL Cup. Does that add up to £10m a season? Doesn't seem that likely. Against all that we'd have higher wages and bringing in FLC players instead of FL1 ones means higher transfer fees, even if we can be targetting new players better than we have done. And if we go down, we'd need to have relegation clauses built into contracts or we'd be in a mess. Unless the new board are prepared to fund at least a new Town End no later than summer 2014 so we can start generating more income, then the current "plan" cannot continue. Fans need to realise that, and so does Di Canio.[/p][/quote]A couple of good posts that address the real issues facing the club. . I agree that the ground has to be dedeveloped soon if we harbour serious hopes of establishing ourselves at a higher level. If and when the new owners do get their feet under the table, I think one of the first things we need to hear from them is what, if anything, they intend to do about it. As much as I am grateful to the outgoing owners, I don't think they were straight with the supporters on their plans for redevelopment or about the obstacles that might be preventing them coming to fruition. But, for all that, sometimes I wonder if the bottom line is that the Swindon area just doesn't contain enough real football fans (people who want to support a club in a practical sense, i.e. with money and voice) to sustain a football club playing at a decent level.[/p][/quote]dedeveloped? - er, no, not a good idea.[/p][/quote]What we need is a board that have far sighted plans for the club, probably a 7 to 10 year plan AF plans for a sustainable Championship club in five years were totally unrealistic and will remain so until the problem of the ground has been sorted out. There is a covenant restricting the use of the area around the ground, but I'm not sure about the ground itself. If we do go up next season, my guess would be a £1/1.5M loss for the season. We need at least a 20,000 stadium and 24hr revenue. the investment will be vast, whether new ground or development, something along the lines of what Brighton achieved would be a good marker. Whether or not the new board will aim that high will be interesting to see, I have no doubt that their ambition will have to match PdC's if he's to stay here for any length of time. Davidsyrett

1:49pm Fri 8 Feb 13

deviant in the tupping pen says...

madterrier wrote:
Den - Maybe the mysterious covenant could become the basis of a new film?

'Paolo Di Canio and the Quest for the County Ground Covenant'.

Of course, Paolo Di Canio would have to be played by James Nesbitt (no contest on that one). The leader of Swindon Council by Nigel Paperclip-Boxfile, and perhaps Alan Rickman as the mad but mysterious timelord who has the password to the secret covenant filing cabinet.

To give the film its Hollywood legs, let's add in Brad Pitt as the swashbuckling American property tycoon who parachutes into Wiltshire ostensibly to turn the CG into a new Tesco Horseburger factory but ends up falling in love with the club, and Doris the tea lady in particular, and extracts the password from the time lord and signs Danny Green on a loan deal rumoured to be....(continued page 94)
Liquid lunch is it?! As an aside, couldn't originally make it from West Wales for tomorrow's game, but can now! So just been on to the ticket office. They're selling out fast boys and girls!
[quote][p][bold]madterrier[/bold] wrote: Den - Maybe the mysterious covenant could become the basis of a new film? 'Paolo Di Canio and the Quest for the County Ground Covenant'. Of course, Paolo Di Canio would have to be played by James Nesbitt (no contest on that one). The leader of Swindon Council by Nigel Paperclip-Boxfile, and perhaps Alan Rickman as the mad but mysterious timelord who has the password to the secret covenant filing cabinet. To give the film its Hollywood legs, let's add in Brad Pitt as the swashbuckling American property tycoon who parachutes into Wiltshire ostensibly to turn the CG into a new Tesco Horseburger factory but ends up falling in love with the club, and Doris the tea lady in particular, and extracts the password from the time lord and signs Danny Green on a loan deal rumoured to be....(continued page 94)[/p][/quote]Liquid lunch is it?! As an aside, couldn't originally make it from West Wales for tomorrow's game, but can now! So just been on to the ticket office. They're selling out fast boys and girls! deviant in the tupping pen

1:50pm Fri 8 Feb 13

gary darv says...

typical,the takeover will not go thru till next week now due to a few issues,means more waiting n nail bitng.
typical,the takeover will not go thru till next week now due to a few issues,means more waiting n nail bitng. gary darv

1:55pm Fri 8 Feb 13

Oi Den! says...

madterrier wrote:
Den - Maybe the mysterious covenant could become the basis of a new film?

'Paolo Di Canio and the Quest for the County Ground Covenant'.

Of course, Paolo Di Canio would have to be played by James Nesbitt (no contest on that one). The leader of Swindon Council by Nigel Paperclip-Boxfile, and perhaps Alan Rickman as the mad but mysterious timelord who has the password to the secret covenant filing cabinet.

To give the film its Hollywood legs, let's add in Brad Pitt as the swashbuckling American property tycoon who parachutes into Wiltshire ostensibly to turn the CG into a new Tesco Horseburger factory but ends up falling in love with the club, and Doris the tea lady in particular, and extracts the password from the time lord and signs Danny Green on a loan deal rumoured to be....(continued page 94)
Don't know what you had for lunch terrier, but I wish I'd had some.
[quote][p][bold]madterrier[/bold] wrote: Den - Maybe the mysterious covenant could become the basis of a new film? 'Paolo Di Canio and the Quest for the County Ground Covenant'. Of course, Paolo Di Canio would have to be played by James Nesbitt (no contest on that one). The leader of Swindon Council by Nigel Paperclip-Boxfile, and perhaps Alan Rickman as the mad but mysterious timelord who has the password to the secret covenant filing cabinet. To give the film its Hollywood legs, let's add in Brad Pitt as the swashbuckling American property tycoon who parachutes into Wiltshire ostensibly to turn the CG into a new Tesco Horseburger factory but ends up falling in love with the club, and Doris the tea lady in particular, and extracts the password from the time lord and signs Danny Green on a loan deal rumoured to be....(continued page 94)[/p][/quote]Don't know what you had for lunch terrier, but I wish I'd had some. [That's enough silly compliments - Ed] Oi Den!

1:56pm Fri 8 Feb 13

Another view says...

Nick Watkins mentioned the covenant a few years ago. He did say though that the club believed this would not stop them buying the cricket ground to help the club expand. Sport would still be played, obviously football, plus athletics as that track would not be in the way.

A hotel/shops attached to the ground would still be part of a sports ground.
Nick Watkins mentioned the covenant a few years ago. He did say though that the club believed this would not stop them buying the cricket ground to help the club expand. Sport would still be played, obviously football, plus athletics as that track would not be in the way. A hotel/shops attached to the ground would still be part of a sports ground. Another view

1:57pm Fri 8 Feb 13

Oi Den! says...

Another view wrote:
Nick Watkins mentioned the covenant a few years ago. He did say though that the club believed this would not stop them buying the cricket ground to help the club expand. Sport would still be played, obviously football, plus athletics as that track would not be in the way.

A hotel/shops attached to the ground would still be part of a sports ground.
Thanks AV.
[quote][p][bold]Another view[/bold] wrote: Nick Watkins mentioned the covenant a few years ago. He did say though that the club believed this would not stop them buying the cricket ground to help the club expand. Sport would still be played, obviously football, plus athletics as that track would not be in the way. A hotel/shops attached to the ground would still be part of a sports ground.[/p][/quote]Thanks AV. Oi Den!

2:03pm Fri 8 Feb 13

jayden says...

Heres a name i have been given David MUNRO he is ment to be 1 of the 5.
Heres a name i have been given David MUNRO he is ment to be 1 of the 5. jayden

2:03pm Fri 8 Feb 13

the don69 says...

Just seen the front page of the Adver!they've done a Delia!Lets be having you!!so I say nice one,get your@sses out your armchairs and down to the County Ground your great local club needs you or you won't have a Fecking local club in the future!(only supermarine)as for the takeover!1we want these guys checked out with a fine tooth-comb 2let the FL check them out 3 don't do a Corporal Jones just cause the league is taking it's time,they have to do a thorough job!!!!!!!!!!!
Just seen the front page of the Adver!they've done a Delia!Lets be having you!!so I say nice one,get your@sses out your armchairs and down to the County Ground your great local club needs you or you won't have a Fecking local club in the future!(only supermarine)as for the takeover!1we want these guys checked out with a fine tooth-comb 2let the FL check them out 3 don't do a Corporal Jones just cause the league is taking it's time,they have to do a thorough job!!!!!!!!!!! the don69

2:04pm Fri 8 Feb 13

Rebel_phish says...

BBC Wiltshire report takeover wont be finalized till middle of next week
BBC Wiltshire report takeover wont be finalized till middle of next week Rebel_phish

2:06pm Fri 8 Feb 13

SAPFanSTFC says...

stfc_tom wrote:
SAPFanSTFC wrote:
umpcah wrote:
stfc_tom wrote: Just to let everyone know there will be 8,000 red and white flags for the game tomorrow so be sure to pick one up. All the money will be going to the Wiltshire Air Ambulance charity so a doubly good cause. Lets get behind the lads and create a reall football atmosphere. The flags have been supplied by an annonymous individual rather than the club (although they will be distributed by the club). This individual wants to stay annonymous and will not reveive a penny from the sale of the flags. COYR!!!!
EXCELLENT !
This is fantastic news - smells as though the new consortium may have put some money up front to create a carnival atmosphere! ... Despite all of the FL admin illnesses is there a chance that they did get it all approved by close of play on the 5th working day!? ... I tend to trust Stilloyal's opinions above most and he's sounding pretty positive. If all is confirmed today then it could be meet the board time on the pitch before the game!?! ...let's hope the players give the crowd something to cheer tomorrow and if it is 9,500 then excellent....I'm sure we can get a few more walk-ins on the day for 10,000+ ....now that will be a tug at the heart strings as I love seeing the County Ground with a bit of life in it.
It wasn't the new consortium mate. A fan has paid for 8000 flags and they will be available for free I understand tomorrow - distributed by the club. Donations are encouraged however which will go towards the Wiltshire Air Ambulence.
Well that's a fantastic thing to do and I'll certainly make sure I've got a decent donation ready....let's hope the air ambulance make a decent sum from it.
[quote][p][bold]stfc_tom[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SAPFanSTFC[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]umpcah[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]stfc_tom[/bold] wrote: Just to let everyone know there will be 8,000 red and white flags for the game tomorrow so be sure to pick one up. All the money will be going to the Wiltshire Air Ambulance charity so a doubly good cause. Lets get behind the lads and create a reall football atmosphere. The flags have been supplied by an annonymous individual rather than the club (although they will be distributed by the club). This individual wants to stay annonymous and will not reveive a penny from the sale of the flags. COYR!!!![/p][/quote]EXCELLENT ![/p][/quote]This is fantastic news - smells as though the new consortium may have put some money up front to create a carnival atmosphere! ... Despite all of the FL admin illnesses is there a chance that they did get it all approved by close of play on the 5th working day!? ... I tend to trust Stilloyal's opinions above most and he's sounding pretty positive. If all is confirmed today then it could be meet the board time on the pitch before the game!?! ...let's hope the players give the crowd something to cheer tomorrow and if it is 9,500 then excellent....I'm sure we can get a few more walk-ins on the day for 10,000+ ....now that will be a tug at the heart strings as I love seeing the County Ground with a bit of life in it.[/p][/quote]It wasn't the new consortium mate. A fan has paid for 8000 flags and they will be available for free I understand tomorrow - distributed by the club. Donations are encouraged however which will go towards the Wiltshire Air Ambulence.[/p][/quote]Well that's a fantastic thing to do and I'll certainly make sure I've got a decent donation ready....let's hope the air ambulance make a decent sum from it. SAPFanSTFC

2:07pm Fri 8 Feb 13

Davidsyrett says...

Oi Den! wrote:
Another view wrote:
Nick Watkins mentioned the covenant a few years ago. He did say though that the club believed this would not stop them buying the cricket ground to help the club expand. Sport would still be played, obviously football, plus athletics as that track would not be in the way.

A hotel/shops attached to the ground would still be part of a sports ground.
Thanks AV.
So hotel and shops are sporting recreation are they? Thinking about it though my wife thinks they are!!

The big problem with the covenant is it's meant to be sport for the community not just those of us who go to watch the football, therefore extending the football ground whichever way still restricts the local sport. For all the club say, to my mind the fact that nothing has ever progressed forward on ground development suggest's there's more to the covenant than the club are letting on.
[quote][p][bold]Oi Den![/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Another view[/bold] wrote: Nick Watkins mentioned the covenant a few years ago. He did say though that the club believed this would not stop them buying the cricket ground to help the club expand. Sport would still be played, obviously football, plus athletics as that track would not be in the way. A hotel/shops attached to the ground would still be part of a sports ground.[/p][/quote]Thanks AV.[/p][/quote]So hotel and shops are sporting recreation are they? Thinking about it though my wife thinks they are!! The big problem with the covenant is it's meant to be sport for the community not just those of us who go to watch the football, therefore extending the football ground whichever way still restricts the local sport. For all the club say, to my mind the fact that nothing has ever progressed forward on ground development suggest's there's more to the covenant than the club are letting on. Davidsyrett

2:08pm Fri 8 Feb 13

gary darv says...

just another day as an stfc fan,still would not want to be any where but the cg at 3pm tomoz to cheer on paolo and the mighty reds and hope by 4.50pm we will be singing "we are top the league" loud n proud.
just another day as an stfc fan,still would not want to be any where but the cg at 3pm tomoz to cheer on paolo and the mighty reds and hope by 4.50pm we will be singing "we are top the league" loud n proud. gary darv

2:12pm Fri 8 Feb 13

red_welder says...

Rebel_phish wrote:
BBC Wiltshire report takeover wont be finalized till middle of next week
With no new signings due to the fl dragging their heels have they not given our rivals an unfair advantage? Just glad PDC is still able to work his magic.
[quote][p][bold]Rebel_phish[/bold] wrote: BBC Wiltshire report takeover wont be finalized till middle of next week[/p][/quote]With no new signings due to the fl dragging their heels have they not given our rivals an unfair advantage? Just glad PDC is still able to work his magic. red_welder

2:15pm Fri 8 Feb 13

mike1990 says...

the don69 wrote:
Just seen the front page of the Adver!they've done a Delia!Lets be having you!!so I say nice one,get your@sses out your armchairs and down to the County Ground your great local club needs you or you won't have a Fecking local club in the future!(only supermarine)as for the takeover!1we want these guys checked out with a fine tooth-comb 2let the FL check them out 3 don't do a Corporal Jones just cause the league is taking it's time,they have to do a thorough job!!!!!!!!!!!
Spot on Don69,but the adver could have thought of something better than delia's rant, my boss keeps walking around singing Diana Ross record,i'm still waiting hahahaha.
[quote][p][bold]the don69[/bold] wrote: Just seen the front page of the Adver!they've done a Delia!Lets be having you!!so I say nice one,get your@sses out your armchairs and down to the County Ground your great local club needs you or you won't have a Fecking local club in the future!(only supermarine)as for the takeover!1we want these guys checked out with a fine tooth-comb 2let the FL check them out 3 don't do a Corporal Jones just cause the league is taking it's time,they have to do a thorough job!!!!!!!!!!![/p][/quote]Spot on Don69,but the adver could have thought of something better than delia's rant, my boss keeps walking around singing Diana Ross record,i'm still waiting hahahaha. mike1990

2:19pm Fri 8 Feb 13

SAPFanSTFC says...

Rebel_phish wrote:
BBC Wiltshire report takeover wont be finalized till middle of next week
Now that is worrying....unless due to several people in the consortium it all takes 5 times as long?
...
Aah well - lets enjoy the game tomorrow and hope we can creep up another position or two.
[quote][p][bold]Rebel_phish[/bold] wrote: BBC Wiltshire report takeover wont be finalized till middle of next week[/p][/quote]Now that is worrying....unless due to several people in the consortium it all takes 5 times as long? ... Aah well - lets enjoy the game tomorrow and hope we can creep up another position or two. SAPFanSTFC

2:20pm Fri 8 Feb 13

jayden says...

jayden wrote:
Heres a name i have been given David MUNRO he is ment to be 1 of the 5.
Forgot to add construction.
[quote][p][bold]jayden[/bold] wrote: Heres a name i have been given David MUNRO he is ment to be 1 of the 5.[/p][/quote]Forgot to add construction. jayden

2:22pm Fri 8 Feb 13

the don69 says...

mike1990 wrote:
the don69 wrote:
Just seen the front page of the Adver!they've done a Delia!Lets be having you!!so I say nice one,get your@sses out your armchairs and down to the County Ground your great local club needs you or you won't have a Fecking local club in the future!(only supermarine)as for the takeover!1we want these guys checked out with a fine tooth-comb 2let the FL check them out 3 don't do a Corporal Jones just cause the league is taking it's time,they have to do a thorough job!!!!!!!!!!!
Spot on Don69,but the adver could have thought of something better than delia's rant, my boss keeps walking around singing Diana Ross record,i'm still waiting hahahaha.
To young to remember that one Mike!LOL!!!!!!!!!!!!
!!!!!!!
[quote][p][bold]mike1990[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]the don69[/bold] wrote: Just seen the front page of the Adver!they've done a Delia!Lets be having you!!so I say nice one,get your@sses out your armchairs and down to the County Ground your great local club needs you or you won't have a Fecking local club in the future!(only supermarine)as for the takeover!1we want these guys checked out with a fine tooth-comb 2let the FL check them out 3 don't do a Corporal Jones just cause the league is taking it's time,they have to do a thorough job!!!!!!!!!!![/p][/quote]Spot on Don69,but the adver could have thought of something better than delia's rant, my boss keeps walking around singing Diana Ross record,i'm still waiting hahahaha.[/p][/quote]To young to remember that one Mike!LOL!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!! the don69

2:31pm Fri 8 Feb 13

We are PANTS says...

red_welder wrote:
Rebel_phish wrote:
BBC Wiltshire report takeover wont be finalized till middle of next week
With no new signings due to the fl dragging their heels have they not given our rivals an unfair advantage? Just glad PDC is still able to work his magic.
This might not be such a bad thing!! If the club screw thier loaf and don't sign anyone until 16th feb they will be eligable to play right up until any potential playoff final!! Also, it gives all concerned nothing else but to focas 110% on tomorrow!! Bring it on..........
[quote][p][bold]red_welder[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Rebel_phish[/bold] wrote: BBC Wiltshire report takeover wont be finalized till middle of next week[/p][/quote]With no new signings due to the fl dragging their heels have they not given our rivals an unfair advantage? Just glad PDC is still able to work his magic.[/p][/quote]This might not be such a bad thing!! If the club screw thier loaf and don't sign anyone until 16th feb they will be eligable to play right up until any potential playoff final!! Also, it gives all concerned nothing else but to focas 110% on tomorrow!! Bring it on.......... We are PANTS

2:34pm Fri 8 Feb 13

Last step says...

I think Den touched on this earlier, but this covenant may well have been our saviour in years gone by.

It wasn't that long ago that football clubs were viewed as fair game for asset stripping, just like any other business.

We don't want to find ourselves in the position that Brighton found thereselves in, playing our football at a sports centre for many years longer than neccesary.

Lets redevelop the County Ground slowly and carefully. A new 2 tiered Town End with 'safe standing' downstairs and seats upstairs would be a very nice start indeed.
I think Den touched on this earlier, but this covenant may well have been our saviour in years gone by. It wasn't that long ago that football clubs were viewed as fair game for asset stripping, just like any other business. We don't want to find ourselves in the position that Brighton found thereselves in, playing our football at a sports centre for many years longer than neccesary. Lets redevelop the County Ground slowly and carefully. A new 2 tiered Town End with 'safe standing' downstairs and seats upstairs would be a very nice start indeed. Last step

2:35pm Fri 8 Feb 13

RedRich says...

red_welder wrote:
Rebel_phish wrote:
BBC Wiltshire report takeover wont be finalized till middle of next week
With no new signings due to the fl dragging their heels have they not given our rivals an unfair advantage? Just glad PDC is still able to work his magic.
This delay in the takeover is down to the football League (surprise surprise!). The consortium have to travel to FL HQ in Preston middle of next week for this to be signed off.

Next game after tomorrow is not until the Tranies away (who are linked with signing Chris Martin) & probably just as well.

I hope this delay does not scupper the loan deals, how long is the loan window open for? Pack is back at Cheltenham & was an unused sub against the Gas on Tuesday & Charlton want Green & BWP out on loan asap.
[quote][p][bold]red_welder[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Rebel_phish[/bold] wrote: BBC Wiltshire report takeover wont be finalized till middle of next week[/p][/quote]With no new signings due to the fl dragging their heels have they not given our rivals an unfair advantage? Just glad PDC is still able to work his magic.[/p][/quote]This delay in the takeover is down to the football League (surprise surprise!). The consortium have to travel to FL HQ in Preston middle of next week for this to be signed off. Next game after tomorrow is not until the Tranies away (who are linked with signing Chris Martin) & probably just as well. I hope this delay does not scupper the loan deals, how long is the loan window open for? Pack is back at Cheltenham & was an unused sub against the Gas on Tuesday & Charlton want Green & BWP out on loan asap. RedRich

2:37pm Fri 8 Feb 13

red_welder says...

We are PANTS wrote:
red_welder wrote:
Rebel_phish wrote:
BBC Wiltshire report takeover wont be finalized till middle of next week
With no new signings due to the fl dragging their heels have they not given our rivals an unfair advantage? Just glad PDC is still able to work his magic.
This might not be such a bad thing!! If the club screw thier loaf and don't sign anyone until 16th feb they will be eligable to play right up until any potential playoff final!! Also, it gives all concerned nothing else but to focas 110% on tomorrow!! Bring it on..........
Hopefully 3pts tomorrow then 10 days to next game so we will have time to sign any new players, so could work to our advantage.Just hope we don't miss out on our preferred options.
[quote][p][bold]We are PANTS[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]red_welder[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Rebel_phish[/bold] wrote: BBC Wiltshire report takeover wont be finalized till middle of next week[/p][/quote]With no new signings due to the fl dragging their heels have they not given our rivals an unfair advantage? Just glad PDC is still able to work his magic.[/p][/quote]This might not be such a bad thing!! If the club screw thier loaf and don't sign anyone until 16th feb they will be eligable to play right up until any potential playoff final!! Also, it gives all concerned nothing else but to focas 110% on tomorrow!! Bring it on..........[/p][/quote]Hopefully 3pts tomorrow then 10 days to next game so we will have time to sign any new players, so could work to our advantage.Just hope we don't miss out on our preferred options. red_welder

2:41pm Fri 8 Feb 13

Oi Den! says...

the don69 wrote:
Just seen the front page of the Adver!they've done a Delia!Lets be having you!!so I say nice one,get your@sses out your armchairs and down to the County Ground your great local club needs you or you won't have a Fecking local club in the future!(only supermarine)as for the takeover!1we want these guys checked out with a fine tooth-comb 2let the FL check them out 3 don't do a Corporal Jones just cause the league is taking it's time,they have to do a thorough job!!!!!!!!!!!
Dead right on both counts Don. Anyone who cares about the club and can afford the time and money should be there tomorrow. I don't see the need to show mass affection for PDC though. He already knows very well what the fans think of him. No doubt he'll be taking that into account but there will be other factors that will ultimately determine whether fhe stays or goes. What it's reallly about is local people showing at this uncertain time how much they want a decent football club in Swindon. The new consortium may not yet have ownership of the club, but that needn't stop tomorrow being the beginning of a new era of greater support.
.
And the Football League ratification takes as long as it takes. If it reduces the possibility of the game being taken over by club wreckers and crooks, it has my 100% support.
[quote][p][bold]the don69[/bold] wrote: Just seen the front page of the Adver!they've done a Delia!Lets be having you!!so I say nice one,get your@sses out your armchairs and down to the County Ground your great local club needs you or you won't have a Fecking local club in the future!(only supermarine)as for the takeover!1we want these guys checked out with a fine tooth-comb 2let the FL check them out 3 don't do a Corporal Jones just cause the league is taking it's time,they have to do a thorough job!!!!!!!!!!![/p][/quote]Dead right on both counts Don. Anyone who cares about the club and can afford the time and money should be there tomorrow. I don't see the need to show mass affection for PDC though. He already knows very well what the fans think of him. No doubt he'll be taking that into account but there will be other factors that will ultimately determine whether fhe stays or goes. What it's reallly about is local people showing at this uncertain time how much they want a decent football club in Swindon. The new consortium may not yet have ownership of the club, but that needn't stop tomorrow being the beginning of a new era of greater support. . And the Football League ratification takes as long as it takes. If it reduces the possibility of the game being taken over by club wreckers and crooks, it has my 100% support. Oi Den!

2:45pm Fri 8 Feb 13

Doctor red says...

Oxon-Red wrote:
stfc2012 wrote:
I think when we score a goal everyone should cheer.
WHAT, even those in the Arkells :-)

COYMR
The Doc and and his medic friends have infiltrated the
Arkells stand near directors box, and will get the crowd going tomorrow-even the old guy from Wroughton with the rattle will be singing tomorrow, promise!!!

The Doc
[quote][p][bold]Oxon-Red[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]stfc2012[/bold] wrote: I think when we score a goal everyone should cheer.[/p][/quote]WHAT, even those in the Arkells :-) COYMR[/p][/quote]The Doc and and his medic friends have infiltrated the Arkells stand near directors box, and will get the crowd going tomorrow-even the old guy from Wroughton with the rattle will be singing tomorrow, promise!!! The Doc Doctor red

3:04pm Fri 8 Feb 13

SAPFanSTFC says...

Doctor red wrote:
Oxon-Red wrote:
stfc2012 wrote:
I think when we score a goal everyone should cheer.
WHAT, even those in the Arkells :-)

COYMR
The Doc and and his medic friends have infiltrated the
Arkells stand near directors box, and will get the crowd going tomorrow-even the old guy from Wroughton with the rattle will be singing tomorrow, promise!!!

The Doc
We've got quite a few voices in and around that area already plus there's a decent crew nearer the away fans - it's the end nearer the town end which need some encouragement as it never seems to get going down that way....or maybe like our area - too few voices.
....
One request though, please keep the effing and blinding down though - lots of young kiddies in that area.
[quote][p][bold]Doctor red[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Oxon-Red[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]stfc2012[/bold] wrote: I think when we score a goal everyone should cheer.[/p][/quote]WHAT, even those in the Arkells :-) COYMR[/p][/quote]The Doc and and his medic friends have infiltrated the Arkells stand near directors box, and will get the crowd going tomorrow-even the old guy from Wroughton with the rattle will be singing tomorrow, promise!!! The Doc[/p][/quote]We've got quite a few voices in and around that area already plus there's a decent crew nearer the away fans - it's the end nearer the town end which need some encouragement as it never seems to get going down that way....or maybe like our area - too few voices. .... One request though, please keep the effing and blinding down though - lots of young kiddies in that area. SAPFanSTFC

3:13pm Fri 8 Feb 13

ChrisWantageRed says...

Someone help me...I'm baffled!

Town are now essentially under embargo, despite being near a takeover. Yet a club £60m in the hole and in administration are allowed to sign who they want?

I'm extremely confused!
Someone help me...I'm baffled! Town are now essentially under embargo, despite being near a takeover. Yet a club £60m in the hole and in administration are allowed to sign who they want? I'm extremely confused! ChrisWantageRed

3:37pm Fri 8 Feb 13

LydiardRED67 says...

Oi Den! wrote:
madterrier wrote:
JHB - I'm well aware that such losses are unsustainable, but will Paolo? Or does he think that 'dreamchasing' is fine so long as it's OPM?

On the ground, we really are getting left behind. The CG is dated, limited and doesn't stack up against the grounds owned or planned by our neighbours, as well as those in the Championship. Hard to be optimistic or see what the answer is, with the restrictive covenant on the CG as it is. Pompey have a similar covenant, which ties their hands considerably too.
terrier, does anyone know whether the restrictive covenant actually exists? It's often referred to on here but I don't think I've ever seen any confirmation. I still think biggest task facing the club may be the prising of the freehold away from the Council. In some respects that might not be a bad thing. I shudder to think what might have happened if some of our previous STFC regimes had got their hands on it. I can think of a few individuals who might have filled their boots and left the club in the lurch. And we still need to guard against that.
Good point. We all quote the "covenant" but we don't know for sure.

I guess we will only know if it exists is if we rlocate and the Council is forced to develope the land.

We will then see if the likes of IKEA is classed as a leisure pusruit.

Like you, I think the Council have no intention of selling for whatever reason) and I suspect if any STFC owners have aspirations of a new stadium it will be away from the CG.

Perhaps some form of shared development with the speedway, although not the same stadium.
[quote][p][bold]Oi Den![/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]madterrier[/bold] wrote: JHB - I'm well aware that such losses are unsustainable, but will Paolo? Or does he think that 'dreamchasing' is fine so long as it's OPM? On the ground, we really are getting left behind. The CG is dated, limited and doesn't stack up against the grounds owned or planned by our neighbours, as well as those in the Championship. Hard to be optimistic or see what the answer is, with the restrictive covenant on the CG as it is. Pompey have a similar covenant, which ties their hands considerably too.[/p][/quote]terrier, does anyone know whether the restrictive covenant actually exists? It's often referred to on here but I don't think I've ever seen any confirmation. I still think biggest task facing the club may be the prising of the freehold away from the Council. In some respects that might not be a bad thing. I shudder to think what might have happened if some of our previous STFC regimes had got their hands on it. I can think of a few individuals who might have filled their boots and left the club in the lurch. And we still need to guard against that.[/p][/quote]Good point. We all quote the "covenant" but we don't know for sure. I guess we will only know if it exists is if we rlocate and the Council is forced to develope the land. We will then see if the likes of IKEA is classed as a leisure pusruit. Like you, I think the Council have no intention of selling for whatever reason) and I suspect if any STFC owners have aspirations of a new stadium it will be away from the CG. Perhaps some form of shared development with the speedway, although not the same stadium. LydiardRED67

3:42pm Fri 8 Feb 13

eddyxx says...

ChrisWantageRed wrote:
Someone help me...I'm baffled!

Town are now essentially under embargo, despite being near a takeover. Yet a club £60m in the hole and in administration are allowed to sign who they want?

I'm extremely confused!
maybe new owners sanctioned the payment of the wages of the incoming trio, until they are the new owners the moves can not be sanctioned, maybe A.B has refused to back the deals bearing in mind he is the current owner which explains why they have not signed. maybe another reason, who knows?
[quote][p][bold]ChrisWantageRed[/bold] wrote: Someone help me...I'm baffled! Town are now essentially under embargo, despite being near a takeover. Yet a club £60m in the hole and in administration are allowed to sign who they want? I'm extremely confused![/p][/quote]maybe new owners sanctioned the payment of the wages of the incoming trio, until they are the new owners the moves can not be sanctioned, maybe A.B has refused to back the deals bearing in mind he is the current owner which explains why they have not signed. maybe another reason, who knows? eddyxx

3:45pm Fri 8 Feb 13

The Jockster says...

SAPFanSTFC wrote:
Doctor red wrote:
Oxon-Red wrote:
stfc2012 wrote:
I think when we score a goal everyone should cheer.
WHAT, even those in the Arkells :-)

COYMR
The Doc and and his medic friends have infiltrated the
Arkells stand near directors box, and will get the crowd going tomorrow-even the old guy from Wroughton with the rattle will be singing tomorrow, promise!!!

The Doc
We've got quite a few voices in and around that area already plus there's a decent crew nearer the away fans - it's the end nearer the town end which need some encouragement as it never seems to get going down that way....or maybe like our area - too few voices.
....
One request though, please keep the effing and blinding down though - lots of young kiddies in that area.
The Arkells stand shouldn't need any extra voices, not with you in there surely? :) So the takeover didn't happen yesterday then matey or by lunchtime today. Don't know where you got those crystal balls from but you & Loyal should throw them out and try the Tarot, Stephen Holbrook, Derek Acorah or some other clairvoyant lol!
[quote][p][bold]SAPFanSTFC[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Doctor red[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Oxon-Red[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]stfc2012[/bold] wrote: I think when we score a goal everyone should cheer.[/p][/quote]WHAT, even those in the Arkells :-) COYMR[/p][/quote]The Doc and and his medic friends have infiltrated the Arkells stand near directors box, and will get the crowd going tomorrow-even the old guy from Wroughton with the rattle will be singing tomorrow, promise!!! The Doc[/p][/quote]We've got quite a few voices in and around that area already plus there's a decent crew nearer the away fans - it's the end nearer the town end which need some encouragement as it never seems to get going down that way....or maybe like our area - too few voices. .... One request though, please keep the effing and blinding down though - lots of young kiddies in that area.[/p][/quote]The Arkells stand shouldn't need any extra voices, not with you in there surely? :) So the takeover didn't happen yesterday then matey or by lunchtime today. Don't know where you got those crystal balls from but you & Loyal should throw them out and try the Tarot, Stephen Holbrook, Derek Acorah or some other clairvoyant lol! The Jockster

3:48pm Fri 8 Feb 13

the don69 says...

Oi Den! wrote:
the don69 wrote:
Just seen the front page of the Adver!they've done a Delia!Lets be having you!!so I say nice one,get your@sses out your armchairs and down to the County Ground your great local club needs you or you won't have a Fecking local club in the future!(only supermarine)as for the takeover!1we want these guys checked out with a fine tooth-comb 2let the FL check them out 3 don't do a Corporal Jones just cause the league is taking it's time,they have to do a thorough job!!!!!!!!!!!
Dead right on both counts Don. Anyone who cares about the club and can afford the time and money should be there tomorrow. I don't see the need to show mass affection for PDC though. He already knows very well what the fans think of him. No doubt he'll be taking that into account but there will be other factors that will ultimately determine whether fhe stays or goes. What it's reallly about is local people showing at this uncertain time how much they want a decent football club in Swindon. The new consortium may not yet have ownership of the club, but that needn't stop tomorrow being the beginning of a new era of greater support.
.
And the Football League ratification takes as long as it takes. If it reduces the possibility of the game being taken over by club wreckers and crooks, it has my 100% support.
Yep!let the FL have a very close look at Jed and his gang,here's hoping their fit and proper with a stack of cash behind them!I'm sure your old enough to remember the song from Diana Ross Den!I'm still waiting!way before my time!LOL!!!!!!!!!!!!
!!!!!!!
[quote][p][bold]Oi Den![/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]the don69[/bold] wrote: Just seen the front page of the Adver!they've done a Delia!Lets be having you!!so I say nice one,get your@sses out your armchairs and down to the County Ground your great local club needs you or you won't have a Fecking local club in the future!(only supermarine)as for the takeover!1we want these guys checked out with a fine tooth-comb 2let the FL check them out 3 don't do a Corporal Jones just cause the league is taking it's time,they have to do a thorough job!!!!!!!!!!![/p][/quote]Dead right on both counts Don. Anyone who cares about the club and can afford the time and money should be there tomorrow. I don't see the need to show mass affection for PDC though. He already knows very well what the fans think of him. No doubt he'll be taking that into account but there will be other factors that will ultimately determine whether fhe stays or goes. What it's reallly about is local people showing at this uncertain time how much they want a decent football club in Swindon. The new consortium may not yet have ownership of the club, but that needn't stop tomorrow being the beginning of a new era of greater support. . And the Football League ratification takes as long as it takes. If it reduces the possibility of the game being taken over by club wreckers and crooks, it has my 100% support.[/p][/quote]Yep!let the FL have a very close look at Jed and his gang,here's hoping their fit and proper with a stack of cash behind them!I'm sure your old enough to remember the song from Diana Ross Den!I'm still waiting!way before my time!LOL!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!! the don69

3:59pm Fri 8 Feb 13

Oi Den! says...

Little porky at the end there, Don?
Little porky at the end there, Don? Oi Den!

3:59pm Fri 8 Feb 13

Oxon-Red says...

eddyxx wrote:
ChrisWantageRed wrote: Someone help me...I'm baffled! Town are now essentially under embargo, despite being near a takeover. Yet a club £60m in the hole and in administration are allowed to sign who they want? I'm extremely confused!
maybe new owners sanctioned the payment of the wages of the incoming trio, until they are the new owners the moves can not be sanctioned, maybe A.B has refused to back the deals bearing in mind he is the current owner which explains why they have not signed. maybe another reason, who knows?
I think Pompey are being treated as a special case to enable them to fulfil their fixtures. I believe they are allowed to sign players but can only do so for 1 month at a time. Hence they are being allowed to continue to sign.

I have been checking the on-line ticketing system and about an hour ago there were less than 900 tickets available. Remove areas not available on-line (Stratton, away area and parts of Arkells next to away section) and we look to have sold around 10,000 for tomorrow. DR stand had about 130 available and Arkells about 300.

COYMR
[quote][p][bold]eddyxx[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ChrisWantageRed[/bold] wrote: Someone help me...I'm baffled! Town are now essentially under embargo, despite being near a takeover. Yet a club £60m in the hole and in administration are allowed to sign who they want? I'm extremely confused![/p][/quote]maybe new owners sanctioned the payment of the wages of the incoming trio, until they are the new owners the moves can not be sanctioned, maybe A.B has refused to back the deals bearing in mind he is the current owner which explains why they have not signed. maybe another reason, who knows?[/p][/quote]I think Pompey are being treated as a special case to enable them to fulfil their fixtures. I believe they are allowed to sign players but can only do so for 1 month at a time. Hence they are being allowed to continue to sign. I have been checking the on-line ticketing system and about an hour ago there were less than 900 tickets available. Remove areas not available on-line (Stratton, away area and parts of Arkells next to away section) and we look to have sold around 10,000 for tomorrow. DR stand had about 130 available and Arkells about 300. COYMR Oxon-Red

4:03pm Fri 8 Feb 13

igiwigi says...

I would like to know why Points West Is so biased at giving information on Swindon Town.

It Is always Bristol City and Rovers and Cheltenham.

Oh Then It's Rugby followed by the weather

Swindon always comes last on our local news on BBC
I would like to know why Points West Is so biased at giving information on Swindon Town. It Is always Bristol City and Rovers and Cheltenham. Oh Then It's Rugby followed by the weather Swindon always comes last on our local news on BBC igiwigi

4:04pm Fri 8 Feb 13

the don69 says...

Oi Den! wrote:
Little porky at the end there, Don?
I'll stick to the non disclosure agreement on that one Den??????????
[quote][p][bold]Oi Den![/bold] wrote: Little porky at the end there, Don?[/p][/quote]I'll stick to the non disclosure agreement on that one Den?????????? the don69

4:04pm Fri 8 Feb 13

igiwigi says...

or not at all!!!!!!!
or not at all!!!!!!! igiwigi

4:13pm Fri 8 Feb 13

Steve. Brentford says...

SAPFanSTFC wrote:
Doctor red wrote:
Oxon-Red wrote:
stfc2012 wrote:
I think when we score a goal everyone should cheer.
WHAT, even those in the Arkells :-)

COYMR
The Doc and and his medic friends have infiltrated the
Arkells stand near directors box, and will get the crowd going tomorrow-even the old guy from Wroughton with the rattle will be singing tomorrow, promise!!!

The Doc
We've got quite a few voices in and around that area already plus there's a decent crew nearer the away fans - it's the end nearer the town end which need some encouragement as it never seems to get going down that way....or maybe like our area - too few voices.
....
One request though, please keep the effing and blinding down though - lots of young kiddies in that area.
Jayden that is where you sit so sing up me ol mate your fellow quiet beings need you (cmon swindon in squeaky voice of course :O)
[quote][p][bold]SAPFanSTFC[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Doctor red[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Oxon-Red[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]stfc2012[/bold] wrote: I think when we score a goal everyone should cheer.[/p][/quote]WHAT, even those in the Arkells :-) COYMR[/p][/quote]The Doc and and his medic friends have infiltrated the Arkells stand near directors box, and will get the crowd going tomorrow-even the old guy from Wroughton with the rattle will be singing tomorrow, promise!!! The Doc[/p][/quote]We've got quite a few voices in and around that area already plus there's a decent crew nearer the away fans - it's the end nearer the town end which need some encouragement as it never seems to get going down that way....or maybe like our area - too few voices. .... One request though, please keep the effing and blinding down though - lots of young kiddies in that area.[/p][/quote]Jayden that is where you sit so sing up me ol mate your fellow quiet beings need you (cmon swindon in squeaky voice of course :O) Steve. Brentford

4:16pm Fri 8 Feb 13

ChrisWantageRed says...

Oxon-Red wrote:
eddyxx wrote:
ChrisWantageRed wrote: Someone help me...I'm baffled! Town are now essentially under embargo, despite being near a takeover. Yet a club £60m in the hole and in administration are allowed to sign who they want? I'm extremely confused!
maybe new owners sanctioned the payment of the wages of the incoming trio, until they are the new owners the moves can not be sanctioned, maybe A.B has refused to back the deals bearing in mind he is the current owner which explains why they have not signed. maybe another reason, who knows?
I think Pompey are being treated as a special case to enable them to fulfil their fixtures. I believe they are allowed to sign players but can only do so for 1 month at a time. Hence they are being allowed to continue to sign. I have been checking the on-line ticketing system and about an hour ago there were less than 900 tickets available. Remove areas not available on-line (Stratton, away area and parts of Arkells next to away section) and we look to have sold around 10,000 for tomorrow. DR stand had about 130 available and Arkells about 300. COYMR
interesting thoughts...thank you chaps!

If we can crack the 10,000 mark that would be a fantastic achievement, what a great gesture to the players and PdC. Also gives Mcrory & Co just a little taste of what they might expect from the CG faithful. COYR!
[quote][p][bold]Oxon-Red[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]eddyxx[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ChrisWantageRed[/bold] wrote: Someone help me...I'm baffled! Town are now essentially under embargo, despite being near a takeover. Yet a club £60m in the hole and in administration are allowed to sign who they want? I'm extremely confused![/p][/quote]maybe new owners sanctioned the payment of the wages of the incoming trio, until they are the new owners the moves can not be sanctioned, maybe A.B has refused to back the deals bearing in mind he is the current owner which explains why they have not signed. maybe another reason, who knows?[/p][/quote]I think Pompey are being treated as a special case to enable them to fulfil their fixtures. I believe they are allowed to sign players but can only do so for 1 month at a time. Hence they are being allowed to continue to sign. I have been checking the on-line ticketing system and about an hour ago there were less than 900 tickets available. Remove areas not available on-line (Stratton, away area and parts of Arkells next to away section) and we look to have sold around 10,000 for tomorrow. DR stand had about 130 available and Arkells about 300. COYMR[/p][/quote]interesting thoughts...thank you chaps! If we can crack the 10,000 mark that would be a fantastic achievement, what a great gesture to the players and PdC. Also gives Mcrory & Co just a little taste of what they might expect from the CG faithful. COYR! ChrisWantageRed

4:18pm Fri 8 Feb 13

Steve. Brentford says...

the don69 wrote:
Oi Den! wrote:
Little porky at the end there, Don?
I'll stick to the non disclosure agreement on that one Den??????????
Who`s Diana Ross:O)
[quote][p][bold]the don69[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Oi Den![/bold] wrote: Little porky at the end there, Don?[/p][/quote]I'll stick to the non disclosure agreement on that one Den??????????[/p][/quote]Who`s Diana Ross:O) Steve. Brentford

4:21pm Fri 8 Feb 13

Since 1950 says...

Stilloyal wrote:
SAPFanSTFC wrote:
umpcah wrote:
stfc_tom wrote: Just to let everyone know there will be 8,000 red and white flags for the game tomorrow so be sure to pick one up. All the money will be going to the Wiltshire Air Ambulance charity so a doubly good cause. Lets get behind the lads and create a reall football atmosphere. The flags have been supplied by an annonymous individual rather than the club (although they will be distributed by the club). This individual wants to stay annonymous and will not reveive a penny from the sale of the flags. COYR!!!!
EXCELLENT !
This is fantastic news - smells as though the new consortium may have put some money up front to create a carnival atmosphere! ... Despite all of the FL admin illnesses is there a chance that they did get it all approved by close of play on the 5th working day!? ... I tend to trust Stilloyal's opinions above most and he's sounding pretty positive. If all is confirmed today then it could be meet the board time on the pitch before the game!?! ...let's hope the players give the crowd something to cheer tomorrow and if it is 9,500 then excellent....I'm sure we can get a few more walk-ins on the day for 10,000+ ....now that will be a tug at the heart strings as I love seeing the County Ground with a bit of life in it.
Cheers SAP, I'm always positive mate , "every liability carries with it the seed of equal or greater possibility".. Never give up ! Tomorrow 15.10 "Stand up for Di Canio, stand up for the Maestro " and hold your scarves high.
Bloody great idea Loyal!

15.10. Stand up. Scarves aloft and sing.
[quote][p][bold]Stilloyal[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SAPFanSTFC[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]umpcah[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]stfc_tom[/bold] wrote: Just to let everyone know there will be 8,000 red and white flags for the game tomorrow so be sure to pick one up. All the money will be going to the Wiltshire Air Ambulance charity so a doubly good cause. Lets get behind the lads and create a reall football atmosphere. The flags have been supplied by an annonymous individual rather than the club (although they will be distributed by the club). This individual wants to stay annonymous and will not reveive a penny from the sale of the flags. COYR!!!![/p][/quote]EXCELLENT ![/p][/quote]This is fantastic news - smells as though the new consortium may have put some money up front to create a carnival atmosphere! ... Despite all of the FL admin illnesses is there a chance that they did get it all approved by close of play on the 5th working day!? ... I tend to trust Stilloyal's opinions above most and he's sounding pretty positive. If all is confirmed today then it could be meet the board time on the pitch before the game!?! ...let's hope the players give the crowd something to cheer tomorrow and if it is 9,500 then excellent....I'm sure we can get a few more walk-ins on the day for 10,000+ ....now that will be a tug at the heart strings as I love seeing the County Ground with a bit of life in it.[/p][/quote]Cheers SAP, I'm always positive mate , "every liability carries with it the seed of equal or greater possibility".. Never give up ! Tomorrow 15.10 "Stand up for Di Canio, stand up for the Maestro " and hold your scarves high.[/p][/quote]Bloody great idea Loyal! 15.10. Stand up. Scarves aloft and sing. Since 1950

4:26pm Fri 8 Feb 13

jayden says...

Steve. Brentford wrote:
SAPFanSTFC wrote:
Doctor red wrote:
Oxon-Red wrote:
stfc2012 wrote:
I think when we score a goal everyone should cheer.
WHAT, even those in the Arkells :-)

COYMR
The Doc and and his medic friends have infiltrated the
Arkells stand near directors box, and will get the crowd going tomorrow-even the old guy from Wroughton with the rattle will be singing tomorrow, promise!!!

The Doc
We've got quite a few voices in and around that area already plus there's a decent crew nearer the away fans - it's the end nearer the town end which need some encouragement as it never seems to get going down that way....or maybe like our area - too few voices.
....
One request though, please keep the effing and blinding down though - lots of young kiddies in that area.
Jayden that is where you sit so sing up me ol mate your fellow quiet beings need you (cmon swindon in squeaky voice of course :O)
Lol" ill do my beast steve .My brother and his mates are coming at least it will look like i have some mates of my own.
[quote][p][bold]Steve. Brentford[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SAPFanSTFC[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Doctor red[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Oxon-Red[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]stfc2012[/bold] wrote: I think when we score a goal everyone should cheer.[/p][/quote]WHAT, even those in the Arkells :-) COYMR[/p][/quote]The Doc and and his medic friends have infiltrated the Arkells stand near directors box, and will get the crowd going tomorrow-even the old guy from Wroughton with the rattle will be singing tomorrow, promise!!! The Doc[/p][/quote]We've got quite a few voices in and around that area already plus there's a decent crew nearer the away fans - it's the end nearer the town end which need some encouragement as it never seems to get going down that way....or maybe like our area - too few voices. .... One request though, please keep the effing and blinding down though - lots of young kiddies in that area.[/p][/quote]Jayden that is where you sit so sing up me ol mate your fellow quiet beings need you (cmon swindon in squeaky voice of course :O)[/p][/quote]Lol" ill do my beast steve .My brother and his mates are coming at least it will look like i have some mates of my own. jayden

4:28pm Fri 8 Feb 13

jayden says...

jayden wrote:
Steve. Brentford wrote:
SAPFanSTFC wrote:
Doctor red wrote:
Oxon-Red wrote:
stfc2012 wrote:
I think when we score a goal everyone should cheer.
WHAT, even those in the Arkells :-)

COYMR
The Doc and and his medic friends have infiltrated the
Arkells stand near directors box, and will get the crowd going tomorrow-even the old guy from Wroughton with the rattle will be singing tomorrow, promise!!!

The Doc
We've got quite a few voices in and around that area already plus there's a decent crew nearer the away fans - it's the end nearer the town end which need some encouragement as it never seems to get going down that way....or maybe like our area - too few voices.
....
One request though, please keep the effing and blinding down though - lots of young kiddies in that area.
Jayden that is where you sit so sing up me ol mate your fellow quiet beings need you (cmon swindon in squeaky voice of course :O)
Lol" ill do my beast steve .My brother and his mates are coming at least it will look like i have some mates of my own.
MMM beast not quite sure what i was thinking their.
[quote][p][bold]jayden[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Steve. Brentford[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SAPFanSTFC[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Doctor red[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Oxon-Red[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]stfc2012[/bold] wrote: I think when we score a goal everyone should cheer.[/p][/quote]WHAT, even those in the Arkells :-) COYMR[/p][/quote]The Doc and and his medic friends have infiltrated the Arkells stand near directors box, and will get the crowd going tomorrow-even the old guy from Wroughton with the rattle will be singing tomorrow, promise!!! The Doc[/p][/quote]We've got quite a few voices in and around that area already plus there's a decent crew nearer the away fans - it's the end nearer the town end which need some encouragement as it never seems to get going down that way....or maybe like our area - too few voices. .... One request though, please keep the effing and blinding down though - lots of young kiddies in that area.[/p][/quote]Jayden that is where you sit so sing up me ol mate your fellow quiet beings need you (cmon swindon in squeaky voice of course :O)[/p][/quote]Lol" ill do my beast steve .My brother and his mates are coming at least it will look like i have some mates of my own.[/p][/quote]MMM beast not quite sure what i was thinking their. jayden

4:29pm Fri 8 Feb 13

jayden says...

jayden wrote:
Steve. Brentford wrote:
SAPFanSTFC wrote:
Doctor red wrote:
Oxon-Red wrote:
stfc2012 wrote:
I think when we score a goal everyone should cheer.
WHAT, even those in the Arkells :-)

COYMR
The Doc and and his medic friends have infiltrated the
Arkells stand near directors box, and will get the crowd going tomorrow-even the old guy from Wroughton with the rattle will be singing tomorrow, promise!!!

The Doc
We've got quite a few voices in and around that area already plus there's a decent crew nearer the away fans - it's the end nearer the town end which need some encouragement as it never seems to get going down that way....or maybe like our area - too few voices.
....
One request though, please keep the effing and blinding down though - lots of young kiddies in that area.
Jayden that is where you sit so sing up me ol mate your fellow quiet beings need you (cmon swindon in squeaky voice of course :O)
Lol" ill do my beast steve .My brother and his mates are coming at least it will look like i have some mates of my own.
MMM beast not quite sure what i was thinking their.
[quote][p][bold]jayden[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Steve. Brentford[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SAPFanSTFC[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Doctor red[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Oxon-Red[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]stfc2012[/bold] wrote: I think when we score a goal everyone should cheer.[/p][/quote]WHAT, even those in the Arkells :-) COYMR[/p][/quote]The Doc and and his medic friends have infiltrated the Arkells stand near directors box, and will get the crowd going tomorrow-even the old guy from Wroughton with the rattle will be singing tomorrow, promise!!! The Doc[/p][/quote]We've got quite a few voices in and around that area already plus there's a decent crew nearer the away fans - it's the end nearer the town end which need some encouragement as it never seems to get going down that way....or maybe like our area - too few voices. .... One request though, please keep the effing and blinding down though - lots of young kiddies in that area.[/p][/quote]Jayden that is where you sit so sing up me ol mate your fellow quiet beings need you (cmon swindon in squeaky voice of course :O)[/p][/quote]Lol" ill do my beast steve .My brother and his mates are coming at least it will look like i have some mates of my own.[/p][/quote]MMM beast not quite sure what i was thinking their. jayden

4:29pm Fri 8 Feb 13

Steve. Brentford says...

jayden wrote:
Steve. Brentford wrote:
SAPFanSTFC wrote:
Doctor red wrote:
Oxon-Red wrote:
stfc2012 wrote:
I think when we score a goal everyone should cheer.
WHAT, even those in the Arkells :-)

COYMR
The Doc and and his medic friends have infiltrated the
Arkells stand near directors box, and will get the crowd going tomorrow-even the old guy from Wroughton with the rattle will be singing tomorrow, promise!!!

The Doc
We've got quite a few voices in and around that area already plus there's a decent crew nearer the away fans - it's the end nearer the town end which need some encouragement as it never seems to get going down that way....or maybe like our area - too few voices.
....
One request though, please keep the effing and blinding down though - lots of young kiddies in that area.
Jayden that is where you sit so sing up me ol mate your fellow quiet beings need you (cmon swindon in squeaky voice of course :O)
Lol" ill do my beast steve .My brother and his mates are coming at least it will look like i have some mates of my own.
What beast is that hahahaha
[quote][p][bold]jayden[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Steve. Brentford[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SAPFanSTFC[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Doctor red[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Oxon-Red[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]stfc2012[/bold] wrote: I think when we score a goal everyone should cheer.[/p][/quote]WHAT, even those in the Arkells :-) COYMR[/p][/quote]The Doc and and his medic friends have infiltrated the Arkells stand near directors box, and will get the crowd going tomorrow-even the old guy from Wroughton with the rattle will be singing tomorrow, promise!!! The Doc[/p][/quote]We've got quite a few voices in and around that area already plus there's a decent crew nearer the away fans - it's the end nearer the town end which need some encouragement as it never seems to get going down that way....or maybe like our area - too few voices. .... One request though, please keep the effing and blinding down though - lots of young kiddies in that area.[/p][/quote]Jayden that is where you sit so sing up me ol mate your fellow quiet beings need you (cmon swindon in squeaky voice of course :O)[/p][/quote]Lol" ill do my beast steve .My brother and his mates are coming at least it will look like i have some mates of my own.[/p][/quote]What beast is that hahahaha Steve. Brentford

4:32pm Fri 8 Feb 13

jayden says...

Steve. Brentford wrote:
jayden wrote:
Steve. Brentford wrote:
SAPFanSTFC wrote:
Doctor red wrote:
Oxon-Red wrote:
stfc2012 wrote:
I think when we score a goal everyone should cheer.
WHAT, even those in the Arkells :-)

COYMR
The Doc and and his medic friends have infiltrated the
Arkells stand near directors box, and will get the crowd going tomorrow-even the old guy from Wroughton with the rattle will be singing tomorrow, promise!!!

The Doc
We've got quite a few voices in and around that area already plus there's a decent crew nearer the away fans - it's the end nearer the town end which need some encouragement as it never seems to get going down that way....or maybe like our area - too few voices.
....
One request though, please keep the effing and blinding down though - lots of young kiddies in that area.
Jayden that is where you sit so sing up me ol mate your fellow quiet beings need you (cmon swindon in squeaky voice of course :O)
Lol" ill do my beast steve .My brother and his mates are coming at least it will look like i have some mates of my own.
What beast is that hahahaha
Have a good weekend mate off out now.
[quote][p][bold]Steve. Brentford[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]jayden[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Steve. Brentford[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SAPFanSTFC[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Doctor red[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Oxon-Red[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]stfc2012[/bold] wrote: I think when we score a goal everyone should cheer.[/p][/quote]WHAT, even those in the Arkells :-) COYMR[/p][/quote]The Doc and and his medic friends have infiltrated the Arkells stand near directors box, and will get the crowd going tomorrow-even the old guy from Wroughton with the rattle will be singing tomorrow, promise!!! The Doc[/p][/quote]We've got quite a few voices in and around that area already plus there's a decent crew nearer the away fans - it's the end nearer the town end which need some encouragement as it never seems to get going down that way....or maybe like our area - too few voices. .... One request though, please keep the effing and blinding down though - lots of young kiddies in that area.[/p][/quote]Jayden that is where you sit so sing up me ol mate your fellow quiet beings need you (cmon swindon in squeaky voice of course :O)[/p][/quote]Lol" ill do my beast steve .My brother and his mates are coming at least it will look like i have some mates of my own.[/p][/quote]What beast is that hahahaha[/p][/quote]Have a good weekend mate off out now. jayden

4:36pm Fri 8 Feb 13

Since 1950 says...

LydiardRED67 wrote:
Oi Den! wrote:
madterrier wrote: JHB - I'm well aware that such losses are unsustainable, but will Paolo? Or does he think that 'dreamchasing' is fine so long as it's OPM? On the ground, we really are getting left behind. The CG is dated, limited and doesn't stack up against the grounds owned or planned by our neighbours, as well as those in the Championship. Hard to be optimistic or see what the answer is, with the restrictive covenant on the CG as it is. Pompey have a similar covenant, which ties their hands considerably too.
terrier, does anyone know whether the restrictive covenant actually exists? It's often referred to on here but I don't think I've ever seen any confirmation. I still think biggest task facing the club may be the prising of the freehold away from the Council. In some respects that might not be a bad thing. I shudder to think what might have happened if some of our previous STFC regimes had got their hands on it. I can think of a few individuals who might have filled their boots and left the club in the lurch. And we still need to guard against that.
Good point. We all quote the "covenant" but we don't know for sure. I guess we will only know if it exists is if we rlocate and the Council is forced to develope the land. We will then see if the likes of IKEA is classed as a leisure pusruit. Like you, I think the Council have no intention of selling for whatever reason) and I suspect if any STFC owners have aspirations of a new stadium it will be away from the CG. Perhaps some form of shared development with the speedway, although not the same stadium.
The land on which the County Ground is build was owned by the Goddard family. The last member of the family died between the wars I believe, though that might be slightly inacurate. They gave that land to the people of Swindon for recreational purposes and that is the covenant on it which remains in place today.
When I spoke to NW at the last AGM about it he told me that the club were looking at the cricket Ground, which could be moved to Lydiard park - Pavilion and all.
[quote][p][bold]LydiardRED67[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Oi Den![/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]madterrier[/bold] wrote: JHB - I'm well aware that such losses are unsustainable, but will Paolo? Or does he think that 'dreamchasing' is fine so long as it's OPM? On the ground, we really are getting left behind. The CG is dated, limited and doesn't stack up against the grounds owned or planned by our neighbours, as well as those in the Championship. Hard to be optimistic or see what the answer is, with the restrictive covenant on the CG as it is. Pompey have a similar covenant, which ties their hands considerably too.[/p][/quote]terrier, does anyone know whether the restrictive covenant actually exists? It's often referred to on here but I don't think I've ever seen any confirmation. I still think biggest task facing the club may be the prising of the freehold away from the Council. In some respects that might not be a bad thing. I shudder to think what might have happened if some of our previous STFC regimes had got their hands on it. I can think of a few individuals who might have filled their boots and left the club in the lurch. And we still need to guard against that.[/p][/quote]Good point. We all quote the "covenant" but we don't know for sure. I guess we will only know if it exists is if we rlocate and the Council is forced to develope the land. We will then see if the likes of IKEA is classed as a leisure pusruit. Like you, I think the Council have no intention of selling for whatever reason) and I suspect if any STFC owners have aspirations of a new stadium it will be away from the CG. Perhaps some form of shared development with the speedway, although not the same stadium.[/p][/quote]The land on which the County Ground is build was owned by the Goddard family. The last member of the family died between the wars I believe, though that might be slightly inacurate. They gave that land to the people of Swindon for recreational purposes and that is the covenant on it which remains in place today. When I spoke to NW at the last AGM about it he told me that the club were looking at the cricket Ground, which could be moved to Lydiard park - Pavilion and all. Since 1950

4:47pm Fri 8 Feb 13

townie63 says...

GL5 Arkells Stand wrote:
Whatever happens today, we need everyone there tomorrow.

No excuses - ticket prices are down and the manager and team need to see a massive show of support.

This WILL be our year.
i have to work
[quote][p][bold]GL5 Arkells Stand[/bold] wrote: Whatever happens today, we need everyone there tomorrow. No excuses - ticket prices are down and the manager and team need to see a massive show of support. This WILL be our year.[/p][/quote]i have to work townie63

4:53pm Fri 8 Feb 13

Oxon-Red says...

Just checked on-line ticketing and two new sections have been listed for sale. The lower part of the arkells next to the away fans and lower section in DR next to the Stratton.

Would be good to sell out the two main stands and the Town End so they have to open the stratton !!!

COYMR
Just checked on-line ticketing and two new sections have been listed for sale. The lower part of the arkells next to the away fans and lower section in DR next to the Stratton. Would be good to sell out the two main stands and the Town End so they have to open the stratton !!! COYMR Oxon-Red

4:57pm Fri 8 Feb 13

eddyxx says...

I have great memories of being frozen to a rail on the bank and wet through, bring back the bank
I have great memories of being frozen to a rail on the bank and wet through, bring back the bank eddyxx

5:00pm Fri 8 Feb 13

mallorca says...

No hard feelings toward Pompey or there Fans nice to see the FL do something decent.
Yet if it were STFC we would get messed on,funny my wife lost interest after the Sunderland win at Wembley.
As to this takeover sorry guys it smells something I feel aint quite right.Hope I´m totally wrong the FL could have granted loan incomings as we are within budgets etc and would be for 3 months.What was the sale of MR?????
o the whole thing the saga goes on,however face it any other Team it would be completed yet we are STFC until this is signed sealed etc and we know the FL approves don´t build your hopes.
All pdc can do with the team is win and hope if it all goes pear shape we don´t go into admin.
Bit low as I did think by today all would be done but the longer this goes on the more bad feelings I get

So tomorrow wish I was there as the CG will be full and give notice to the FL and FA Swindon Town will never die
No hard feelings toward Pompey or there Fans nice to see the FL do something decent. Yet if it were STFC we would get messed on,funny my wife lost interest after the Sunderland win at Wembley. As to this takeover sorry guys it smells something I feel aint quite right.Hope I´m totally wrong the FL could have granted loan incomings as we are within budgets etc and would be for 3 months.What was the sale of MR????? o the whole thing the saga goes on,however face it any other Team it would be completed yet we are STFC until this is signed sealed etc and we know the FL approves don´t build your hopes. All pdc can do with the team is win and hope if it all goes pear shape we don´t go into admin. Bit low as I did think by today all would be done but the longer this goes on the more bad feelings I get So tomorrow wish I was there as the CG will be full and give notice to the FL and FA Swindon Town will never die mallorca

5:15pm Fri 8 Feb 13

SimonPrice351 says...

Do NOT let Deakin near the club.

Port Vale fans have already been mentioning this on their website...
Do NOT let Deakin near the club. Port Vale fans have already been mentioning this on their website... SimonPrice351

5:31pm Fri 8 Feb 13

the don69 says...

Steve. Brentford wrote:
the don69 wrote:
Oi Den! wrote:
Little porky at the end there, Don?
I'll stick to the non disclosure agreement on that one Den??????????
Who`s Diana Ross:O)
Same as Seve?was gonna have some Burger's tonight!just looked in the fridge and there off!!!!!!!!!!!
[quote][p][bold]Steve. Brentford[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]the don69[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Oi Den![/bold] wrote: Little porky at the end there, Don?[/p][/quote]I'll stick to the non disclosure agreement on that one Den??????????[/p][/quote]Who`s Diana Ross:O)[/p][/quote]Same as Seve?was gonna have some Burger's tonight!just looked in the fridge and there off!!!!!!!!!!! the don69

5:36pm Fri 8 Feb 13

Jeremy Hilary Boob says...

Oi Den! wrote:
Jeremy Hilary Boob wrote:
madterrier wrote:
I just hope that the Adver will be able to find out from someone....

- Is the new consortium willing to sustain the operating losses, reckoned to be £100,000 a week, for this season and the next if needs be, to deliver Championship football?

- How will this money be pumped into the club (equity or loans?), and what financial guarantees will be in place to prevent the plug from being pulled suddenly as Black did last month? This links to the PL proposals to secure operating losses against owners' assets.

I'm not expecting answers to these questions, although in essence, this is what Paolo will have wanted to know in his meeting. Because the 'plan' he bought into effectively required the club to lose money for the next eighteen months in the quest for the Championship. Nearly £2 million from here to summer 2014.

If we don't sell out the CG tomorrow, at just £15 a ticket, it puts the financial problem into sharp focus.
But those losses are unsustainable though and maybe PDC needs to realise that.

Fitton's line about the FLC being worth £10m/year doesn't seem to stack up. The FL TV deal is £195m/3 years = £65m/year. So that's probably only £2-2.5m per FLC team.

We might get some more on sponsorship and commercial activities, but some of the deals will already be in place for next season and beyond. We've got no exec boxes or anything like that, so matchday corporate hospitality is limited.

We'd get more away fans and some more home fans, but the CG would be the smallest ground in the FLC (Peterboro's holds 15,460), so we'd be well behind every one else on gate receipts, plus all the knock-on income: programmes, concessions, etc. But 2000 more spectators x £20 x 23 games only equals £920k - we simply can't case in like Bradford could in the FL Cup.

Does that add up to £10m a season? Doesn't seem that likely.

Against all that we'd have higher wages and bringing in FLC players instead of FL1 ones means higher transfer fees, even if we can be targetting new players better than we have done. And if we go down, we'd need to have relegation clauses built into contracts or we'd be in a mess.

Unless the new board are prepared to fund at least a new Town End no later than summer 2014 so we can start generating more income, then the current "plan" cannot continue. Fans need to realise that, and so does Di Canio.
A couple of good posts that address the real issues facing the club.
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I agree that the ground has to be dedeveloped soon if we harbour serious hopes of establishing ourselves at a higher level. If and when the new owners do get their feet under the table, I think one of the first things we need to hear from them is what, if anything, they intend to do about it. As much as I am grateful to the outgoing owners, I don't think they were straight with the supporters on their plans for redevelopment or about the obstacles that might be preventing them coming to fruition.

But, for all that, sometimes I wonder if the bottom line is that the Swindon area just doesn't contain enough real football fans (people who want to support a club in a practical sense, i.e. with money and voice) to sustain a football club playing at a decent level.
I think Swindon does, but it's tapping into that potential that's the problem.

Going to football is something you get into that becomes a habit. Not going is also something that is or becomes a habit. The Town's task is that turning the latter into the former.

It's all very well looking at the gates and thinking the CG is up to the job, but really it isn't. The gates vs Wigan and Villa have shown that more people will go and watch the Town, and some of those will continue to watch the Town. Neither of those (esp. Wigan) were particularly attractive, but there were more fans turning out and the Town put up good performances - exactly the sort of thing that gets people coming back for more.

I know it was a couple of rounds further on, but look how many Bradford got vs Villa. We'd have packed out the CG for a SF, but that's still only 14,000-ish. Bradford got 25,000. That's 10,000+ extra potential fans than Bradford can generate compared to Swindon. That's 10,000 extra seats that can give away to kids, use for cheap promotions or cash in when there's a big cup match or the team's doing well in the league.

One of the most depressing things about the Town in recent years is the amount of money that has been pumped into it simply to pay bills and players' wages. Not of it has benefited the club in the long term whatsoever - the £10m Black and co. spent would have paid for two end stands which would generate income in the longer run. Instead it was spent on agents' fees and paying off the likes of Magera and Kerrouche.
[quote][p][bold]Oi Den![/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Jeremy Hilary Boob[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]madterrier[/bold] wrote: I just hope that the Adver will be able to find out from someone.... - Is the new consortium willing to sustain the operating losses, reckoned to be £100,000 a week, for this season and the next if needs be, to deliver Championship football? - How will this money be pumped into the club (equity or loans?), and what financial guarantees will be in place to prevent the plug from being pulled suddenly as Black did last month? This links to the PL proposals to secure operating losses against owners' assets. I'm not expecting answers to these questions, although in essence, this is what Paolo will have wanted to know in his meeting. Because the 'plan' he bought into effectively required the club to lose money for the next eighteen months in the quest for the Championship. Nearly £2 million from here to summer 2014. If we don't sell out the CG tomorrow, at just £15 a ticket, it puts the financial problem into sharp focus.[/p][/quote]But those losses are unsustainable though and maybe PDC needs to realise that. Fitton's line about the FLC being worth £10m/year doesn't seem to stack up. The FL TV deal is £195m/3 years = £65m/year. So that's probably only £2-2.5m per FLC team. We might get some more on sponsorship and commercial activities, but some of the deals will already be in place for next season and beyond. We've got no exec boxes or anything like that, so matchday corporate hospitality is limited. We'd get more away fans and some more home fans, but the CG would be the smallest ground in the FLC (Peterboro's holds 15,460), so we'd be well behind every one else on gate receipts, plus all the knock-on income: programmes, concessions, etc. But 2000 more spectators x £20 x 23 games only equals £920k - we simply can't case in like Bradford could in the FL Cup. Does that add up to £10m a season? Doesn't seem that likely. Against all that we'd have higher wages and bringing in FLC players instead of FL1 ones means higher transfer fees, even if we can be targetting new players better than we have done. And if we go down, we'd need to have relegation clauses built into contracts or we'd be in a mess. Unless the new board are prepared to fund at least a new Town End no later than summer 2014 so we can start generating more income, then the current "plan" cannot continue. Fans need to realise that, and so does Di Canio.[/p][/quote]A couple of good posts that address the real issues facing the club. . I agree that the ground has to be dedeveloped soon if we harbour serious hopes of establishing ourselves at a higher level. If and when the new owners do get their feet under the table, I think one of the first things we need to hear from them is what, if anything, they intend to do about it. As much as I am grateful to the outgoing owners, I don't think they were straight with the supporters on their plans for redevelopment or about the obstacles that might be preventing them coming to fruition. But, for all that, sometimes I wonder if the bottom line is that the Swindon area just doesn't contain enough real football fans (people who want to support a club in a practical sense, i.e. with money and voice) to sustain a football club playing at a decent level.[/p][/quote]I think Swindon does, but it's tapping into that potential that's the problem. Going to football is something you get into that becomes a habit. Not going is also something that is or becomes a habit. The Town's task is that turning the latter into the former. It's all very well looking at the gates and thinking the CG is up to the job, but really it isn't. The gates vs Wigan and Villa have shown that more people will go and watch the Town, and some of those will continue to watch the Town. Neither of those (esp. Wigan) were particularly attractive, but there were more fans turning out and the Town put up good performances - exactly the sort of thing that gets people coming back for more. I know it was a couple of rounds further on, but look how many Bradford got vs Villa. We'd have packed out the CG for a SF, but that's still only 14,000-ish. Bradford got 25,000. That's 10,000+ extra potential fans than Bradford can generate compared to Swindon. That's 10,000 extra seats that can give away to kids, use for cheap promotions or cash in when there's a big cup match or the team's doing well in the league. One of the most depressing things about the Town in recent years is the amount of money that has been pumped into it simply to pay bills and players' wages. Not of it has benefited the club in the long term whatsoever - the £10m Black and co. spent would have paid for two end stands which would generate income in the longer run. Instead it was spent on agents' fees and paying off the likes of Magera and Kerrouche. Jeremy Hilary Boob

5:43pm Fri 8 Feb 13

Jeremy Hilary Boob says...

LydiardRED67 wrote:
Oi Den! wrote:
madterrier wrote:
JHB - I'm well aware that such losses are unsustainable, but will Paolo? Or does he think that 'dreamchasing' is fine so long as it's OPM?

On the ground, we really are getting left behind. The CG is dated, limited and doesn't stack up against the grounds owned or planned by our neighbours, as well as those in the Championship. Hard to be optimistic or see what the answer is, with the restrictive covenant on the CG as it is. Pompey have a similar covenant, which ties their hands considerably too.
terrier, does anyone know whether the restrictive covenant actually exists? It's often referred to on here but I don't think I've ever seen any confirmation. I still think biggest task facing the club may be the prising of the freehold away from the Council. In some respects that might not be a bad thing. I shudder to think what might have happened if some of our previous STFC regimes had got their hands on it. I can think of a few individuals who might have filled their boots and left the club in the lurch. And we still need to guard against that.
Good point. We all quote the "covenant" but we don't know for sure.

I guess we will only know if it exists is if we rlocate and the Council is forced to develope the land.

We will then see if the likes of IKEA is classed as a leisure pusruit.

Like you, I think the Council have no intention of selling for whatever reason) and I suspect if any STFC owners have aspirations of a new stadium it will be away from the CG.

Perhaps some form of shared development with the speedway, although not the same stadium.
Agreed about the covenant. It might well exist as we all think, but it might not - Torquay's ground was alleged to have one but it turned out it didn't.

Even with a covenent, can't the club buy the *site* not just the current ground? You could relocate the cricket ground much easier the the football ground as fewer people would object to a cricket ground nearby. Then the club could turn the pitch around or even just build a totally new ground on the cricket pitch.

Otherwise, if the club does get into the FLC, 21st place would be a massive achievement. We'd currently have the smallest ground -only Peterboro's, Blackpool's and Watford's holds less than 20,000 and it's commonsense than you can reach the average FLC attendance of 17,000+ in a ground that holds 15,000.
[quote][p][bold]LydiardRED67[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Oi Den![/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]madterrier[/bold] wrote: JHB - I'm well aware that such losses are unsustainable, but will Paolo? Or does he think that 'dreamchasing' is fine so long as it's OPM? On the ground, we really are getting left behind. The CG is dated, limited and doesn't stack up against the grounds owned or planned by our neighbours, as well as those in the Championship. Hard to be optimistic or see what the answer is, with the restrictive covenant on the CG as it is. Pompey have a similar covenant, which ties their hands considerably too.[/p][/quote]terrier, does anyone know whether the restrictive covenant actually exists? It's often referred to on here but I don't think I've ever seen any confirmation. I still think biggest task facing the club may be the prising of the freehold away from the Council. In some respects that might not be a bad thing. I shudder to think what might have happened if some of our previous STFC regimes had got their hands on it. I can think of a few individuals who might have filled their boots and left the club in the lurch. And we still need to guard against that.[/p][/quote]Good point. We all quote the "covenant" but we don't know for sure. I guess we will only know if it exists is if we rlocate and the Council is forced to develope the land. We will then see if the likes of IKEA is classed as a leisure pusruit. Like you, I think the Council have no intention of selling for whatever reason) and I suspect if any STFC owners have aspirations of a new stadium it will be away from the CG. Perhaps some form of shared development with the speedway, although not the same stadium.[/p][/quote]Agreed about the covenant. It might well exist as we all think, but it might not - Torquay's ground was alleged to have one but it turned out it didn't. Even with a covenent, can't the club buy the *site* not just the current ground? You could relocate the cricket ground much easier the the football ground as fewer people would object to a cricket ground nearby. Then the club could turn the pitch around or even just build a totally new ground on the cricket pitch. Otherwise, if the club does get into the FLC, 21st place would be a massive achievement. We'd currently have the smallest ground -only Peterboro's, Blackpool's and Watford's holds less than 20,000 and it's commonsense than you can reach the average FLC attendance of 17,000+ in a ground that holds 15,000. Jeremy Hilary Boob

5:57pm Fri 8 Feb 13

LydiardRED67 says...

Since 1950 wrote:
LydiardRED67 wrote:
Oi Den! wrote:
madterrier wrote: JHB - I'm well aware that such losses are unsustainable, but will Paolo? Or does he think that 'dreamchasing' is fine so long as it's OPM? On the ground, we really are getting left behind. The CG is dated, limited and doesn't stack up against the grounds owned or planned by our neighbours, as well as those in the Championship. Hard to be optimistic or see what the answer is, with the restrictive covenant on the CG as it is. Pompey have a similar covenant, which ties their hands considerably too.
terrier, does anyone know whether the restrictive covenant actually exists? It's often referred to on here but I don't think I've ever seen any confirmation. I still think biggest task facing the club may be the prising of the freehold away from the Council. In some respects that might not be a bad thing. I shudder to think what might have happened if some of our previous STFC regimes had got their hands on it. I can think of a few individuals who might have filled their boots and left the club in the lurch. And we still need to guard against that.
Good point. We all quote the "covenant" but we don't know for sure. I guess we will only know if it exists is if we rlocate and the Council is forced to develope the land. We will then see if the likes of IKEA is classed as a leisure pusruit. Like you, I think the Council have no intention of selling for whatever reason) and I suspect if any STFC owners have aspirations of a new stadium it will be away from the CG. Perhaps some form of shared development with the speedway, although not the same stadium.
The land on which the County Ground is build was owned by the Goddard family. The last member of the family died between the wars I believe, though that might be slightly inacurate. They gave that land to the people of Swindon for recreational purposes and that is the covenant on it which remains in place today.
When I spoke to NW at the last AGM about it he told me that the club were looking at the cricket Ground, which could be moved to Lydiard park - Pavilion and all.
Thanks for the confirmation and pretty much as we all expected.

My point is the actual ownership. The Council is under no obligation to sell. Covenent or not.
[quote][p][bold]Since 1950[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]LydiardRED67[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Oi Den![/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]madterrier[/bold] wrote: JHB - I'm well aware that such losses are unsustainable, but will Paolo? Or does he think that 'dreamchasing' is fine so long as it's OPM? On the ground, we really are getting left behind. The CG is dated, limited and doesn't stack up against the grounds owned or planned by our neighbours, as well as those in the Championship. Hard to be optimistic or see what the answer is, with the restrictive covenant on the CG as it is. Pompey have a similar covenant, which ties their hands considerably too.[/p][/quote]terrier, does anyone know whether the restrictive covenant actually exists? It's often referred to on here but I don't think I've ever seen any confirmation. I still think biggest task facing the club may be the prising of the freehold away from the Council. In some respects that might not be a bad thing. I shudder to think what might have happened if some of our previous STFC regimes had got their hands on it. I can think of a few individuals who might have filled their boots and left the club in the lurch. And we still need to guard against that.[/p][/quote]Good point. We all quote the "covenant" but we don't know for sure. I guess we will only know if it exists is if we rlocate and the Council is forced to develope the land. We will then see if the likes of IKEA is classed as a leisure pusruit. Like you, I think the Council have no intention of selling for whatever reason) and I suspect if any STFC owners have aspirations of a new stadium it will be away from the CG. Perhaps some form of shared development with the speedway, although not the same stadium.[/p][/quote]The land on which the County Ground is build was owned by the Goddard family. The last member of the family died between the wars I believe, though that might be slightly inacurate. They gave that land to the people of Swindon for recreational purposes and that is the covenant on it which remains in place today. When I spoke to NW at the last AGM about it he told me that the club were looking at the cricket Ground, which could be moved to Lydiard park - Pavilion and all.[/p][/quote]Thanks for the confirmation and pretty much as we all expected. My point is the actual ownership. The Council is under no obligation to sell. Covenent or not. LydiardRED67

6:10pm Fri 8 Feb 13

Oi Den! says...

Jeremy Hilary Boob wrote:
Oi Den! wrote:
Jeremy Hilary Boob wrote:
madterrier wrote:
I just hope that the Adver will be able to find out from someone....

- Is the new consortium willing to sustain the operating losses, reckoned to be £100,000 a week, for this season and the next if needs be, to deliver Championship football?

- How will this money be pumped into the club (equity or loans?), and what financial guarantees will be in place to prevent the plug from being pulled suddenly as Black did last month? This links to the PL proposals to secure operating losses against owners' assets.

I'm not expecting answers to these questions, although in essence, this is what Paolo will have wanted to know in his meeting. Because the 'plan' he bought into effectively required the club to lose money for the next eighteen months in the quest for the Championship. Nearly £2 million from here to summer 2014.

If we don't sell out the CG tomorrow, at just £15 a ticket, it puts the financial problem into sharp focus.
But those losses are unsustainable though and maybe PDC needs to realise that.

Fitton's line about the FLC being worth £10m/year doesn't seem to stack up. The FL TV deal is £195m/3 years = £65m/year. So that's probably only £2-2.5m per FLC team.

We might get some more on sponsorship and commercial activities, but some of the deals will already be in place for next season and beyond. We've got no exec boxes or anything like that, so matchday corporate hospitality is limited.

We'd get more away fans and some more home fans, but the CG would be the smallest ground in the FLC (Peterboro's holds 15,460), so we'd be well behind every one else on gate receipts, plus all the knock-on income: programmes, concessions, etc. But 2000 more spectators x £20 x 23 games only equals £920k - we simply can't case in like Bradford could in the FL Cup.

Does that add up to £10m a season? Doesn't seem that likely.

Against all that we'd have higher wages and bringing in FLC players instead of FL1 ones means higher transfer fees, even if we can be targetting new players better than we have done. And if we go down, we'd need to have relegation clauses built into contracts or we'd be in a mess.

Unless the new board are prepared to fund at least a new Town End no later than summer 2014 so we can start generating more income, then the current "plan" cannot continue. Fans need to realise that, and so does Di Canio.
A couple of good posts that address the real issues facing the club.
.
I agree that the ground has to be dedeveloped soon if we harbour serious hopes of establishing ourselves at a higher level. If and when the new owners do get their feet under the table, I think one of the first things we need to hear from them is what, if anything, they intend to do about it. As much as I am grateful to the outgoing owners, I don't think they were straight with the supporters on their plans for redevelopment or about the obstacles that might be preventing them coming to fruition.

But, for all that, sometimes I wonder if the bottom line is that the Swindon area just doesn't contain enough real football fans (people who want to support a club in a practical sense, i.e. with money and voice) to sustain a football club playing at a decent level.
I think Swindon does, but it's tapping into that potential that's the problem.

Going to football is something you get into that becomes a habit. Not going is also something that is or becomes a habit. The Town's task is that turning the latter into the former.

It's all very well looking at the gates and thinking the CG is up to the job, but really it isn't. The gates vs Wigan and Villa have shown that more people will go and watch the Town, and some of those will continue to watch the Town. Neither of those (esp. Wigan) were particularly attractive, but there were more fans turning out and the Town put up good performances - exactly the sort of thing that gets people coming back for more.

I know it was a couple of rounds further on, but look how many Bradford got vs Villa. We'd have packed out the CG for a SF, but that's still only 14,000-ish. Bradford got 25,000. That's 10,000+ extra potential fans than Bradford can generate compared to Swindon. That's 10,000 extra seats that can give away to kids, use for cheap promotions or cash in when there's a big cup match or the team's doing well in the league.

One of the most depressing things about the Town in recent years is the amount of money that has been pumped into it simply to pay bills and players' wages. Not of it has benefited the club in the long term whatsoever - the £10m Black and co. spent would have paid for two end stands which would generate income in the longer run. Instead it was spent on agents' fees and paying off the likes of Magera and Kerrouche.
Agree with much of that but I think your logic falls down on the £10m. That was what they spent to clear existing debts when they came in. There was no option to spend it on the ground - unless they wanted to spend another £10m of course. I agree that vast amounts must have been spent on the playing side, but nowhere near £10m.
[quote][p][bold]Jeremy Hilary Boob[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Oi Den![/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Jeremy Hilary Boob[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]madterrier[/bold] wrote: I just hope that the Adver will be able to find out from someone.... - Is the new consortium willing to sustain the operating losses, reckoned to be £100,000 a week, for this season and the next if needs be, to deliver Championship football? - How will this money be pumped into the club (equity or loans?), and what financial guarantees will be in place to prevent the plug from being pulled suddenly as Black did last month? This links to the PL proposals to secure operating losses against owners' assets. I'm not expecting answers to these questions, although in essence, this is what Paolo will have wanted to know in his meeting. Because the 'plan' he bought into effectively required the club to lose money for the next eighteen months in the quest for the Championship. Nearly £2 million from here to summer 2014. If we don't sell out the CG tomorrow, at just £15 a ticket, it puts the financial problem into sharp focus.[/p][/quote]But those losses are unsustainable though and maybe PDC needs to realise that. Fitton's line about the FLC being worth £10m/year doesn't seem to stack up. The FL TV deal is £195m/3 years = £65m/year. So that's probably only £2-2.5m per FLC team. We might get some more on sponsorship and commercial activities, but some of the deals will already be in place for next season and beyond. We've got no exec boxes or anything like that, so matchday corporate hospitality is limited. We'd get more away fans and some more home fans, but the CG would be the smallest ground in the FLC (Peterboro's holds 15,460), so we'd be well behind every one else on gate receipts, plus all the knock-on income: programmes, concessions, etc. But 2000 more spectators x £20 x 23 games only equals £920k - we simply can't case in like Bradford could in the FL Cup. Does that add up to £10m a season? Doesn't seem that likely. Against all that we'd have higher wages and bringing in FLC players instead of FL1 ones means higher transfer fees, even if we can be targetting new players better than we have done. And if we go down, we'd need to have relegation clauses built into contracts or we'd be in a mess. Unless the new board are prepared to fund at least a new Town End no later than summer 2014 so we can start generating more income, then the current "plan" cannot continue. Fans need to realise that, and so does Di Canio.[/p][/quote]A couple of good posts that address the real issues facing the club. . I agree that the ground has to be dedeveloped soon if we harbour serious hopes of establishing ourselves at a higher level. If and when the new owners do get their feet under the table, I think one of the first things we need to hear from them is what, if anything, they intend to do about it. As much as I am grateful to the outgoing owners, I don't think they were straight with the supporters on their plans for redevelopment or about the obstacles that might be preventing them coming to fruition. But, for all that, sometimes I wonder if the bottom line is that the Swindon area just doesn't contain enough real football fans (people who want to support a club in a practical sense, i.e. with money and voice) to sustain a football club playing at a decent level.[/p][/quote]I think Swindon does, but it's tapping into that potential that's the problem. Going to football is something you get into that becomes a habit. Not going is also something that is or becomes a habit. The Town's task is that turning the latter into the former. It's all very well looking at the gates and thinking the CG is up to the job, but really it isn't. The gates vs Wigan and Villa have shown that more people will go and watch the Town, and some of those will continue to watch the Town. Neither of those (esp. Wigan) were particularly attractive, but there were more fans turning out and the Town put up good performances - exactly the sort of thing that gets people coming back for more. I know it was a couple of rounds further on, but look how many Bradford got vs Villa. We'd have packed out the CG for a SF, but that's still only 14,000-ish. Bradford got 25,000. That's 10,000+ extra potential fans than Bradford can generate compared to Swindon. That's 10,000 extra seats that can give away to kids, use for cheap promotions or cash in when there's a big cup match or the team's doing well in the league. One of the most depressing things about the Town in recent years is the amount of money that has been pumped into it simply to pay bills and players' wages. Not of it has benefited the club in the long term whatsoever - the £10m Black and co. spent would have paid for two end stands which would generate income in the longer run. Instead it was spent on agents' fees and paying off the likes of Magera and Kerrouche.[/p][/quote]Agree with much of that but I think your logic falls down on the £10m. That was what they spent to clear existing debts when they came in. There was no option to spend it on the ground - unless they wanted to spend another £10m of course. I agree that vast amounts must have been spent on the playing side, but nowhere near £10m. Oi Den!

6:31pm Fri 8 Feb 13

Steve. Brentford says...

the don69 wrote:
Steve. Brentford wrote:
the don69 wrote:
Oi Den! wrote:
Little porky at the end there, Don?
I'll stick to the non disclosure agreement on that one Den??????????
Who`s Diana Ross:O)
Same as Seve?was gonna have some Burger's tonight!just looked in the fridge and there off!!!!!!!!!!!
Done me,Don,good one.
[quote][p][bold]the don69[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Steve. Brentford[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]the don69[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Oi Den![/bold] wrote: Little porky at the end there, Don?[/p][/quote]I'll stick to the non disclosure agreement on that one Den??????????[/p][/quote]Who`s Diana Ross:O)[/p][/quote]Same as Seve?was gonna have some Burger's tonight!just looked in the fridge and there off!!!!!!!!!!![/p][/quote]Done me,Don,good one. Steve. Brentford

6:47pm Fri 8 Feb 13

mancrobin says...

Oi Den! wrote:
Jeremy Hilary Boob wrote:
madterrier wrote:
I just hope that the Adver will be able to find out from someone....

- Is the new consortium willing to sustain the operating losses, reckoned to be £100,000 a week, for this season and the next if needs be, to deliver Championship football?

- How will this money be pumped into the club (equity or loans?), and what financial guarantees will be in place to prevent the plug from being pulled suddenly as Black did last month? This links to the PL proposals to secure operating losses against owners' assets.

I'm not expecting answers to these questions, although in essence, this is what Paolo will have wanted to know in his meeting. Because the 'plan' he bought into effectively required the club to lose money for the next eighteen months in the quest for the Championship. Nearly £2 million from here to summer 2014.

If we don't sell out the CG tomorrow, at just £15 a ticket, it puts the financial problem into sharp focus.
But those losses are unsustainable though and maybe PDC needs to realise that.

Fitton's line about the FLC being worth £10m/year doesn't seem to stack up. The FL TV deal is £195m/3 years = £65m/year. So that's probably only £2-2.5m per FLC team.

We might get some more on sponsorship and commercial activities, but some of the deals will already be in place for next season and beyond. We've got no exec boxes or anything like that, so matchday corporate hospitality is limited.

We'd get more away fans and some more home fans, but the CG would be the smallest ground in the FLC (Peterboro's holds 15,460), so we'd be well behind every one else on gate receipts, plus all the knock-on income: programmes, concessions, etc. But 2000 more spectators x £20 x 23 games only equals £920k - we simply can't case in like Bradford could in the FL Cup.

Does that add up to £10m a season? Doesn't seem that likely.

Against all that we'd have higher wages and bringing in FLC players instead of FL1 ones means higher transfer fees, even if we can be targetting new players better than we have done. And if we go down, we'd need to have relegation clauses built into contracts or we'd be in a mess.

Unless the new board are prepared to fund at least a new Town End no later than summer 2014 so we can start generating more income, then the current "plan" cannot continue. Fans need to realise that, and so does Di Canio.
A couple of good posts that address the real issues facing the club.
.
I agree that the ground has to be dedeveloped soon if we harbour serious hopes of establishing ourselves at a higher level. If and when the new owners do get their feet under the table, I think one of the first things we need to hear from them is what, if anything, they intend to do about it. As much as I am grateful to the outgoing owners, I don't think they were straight with the supporters on their plans for redevelopment or about the obstacles that might be preventing them coming to fruition.

But, for all that, sometimes I wonder if the bottom line is that the Swindon area just doesn't contain enough real football fans (people who want to support a club in a practical sense, i.e. with money and voice) to sustain a football club playing at a decent level.
Den, that's the conclusion you might reach from the above analysis but I,don't see why we can't get a new generation of fans. Reading have and traditionally we had also had better support than them.

On that basis I am more optimistic. However, I suspect that the business model PdC originally agreed with Black etc is not proving viable. I think Fitton had it right personally.
[quote][p][bold]Oi Den![/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Jeremy Hilary Boob[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]madterrier[/bold] wrote: I just hope that the Adver will be able to find out from someone.... - Is the new consortium willing to sustain the operating losses, reckoned to be £100,000 a week, for this season and the next if needs be, to deliver Championship football? - How will this money be pumped into the club (equity or loans?), and what financial guarantees will be in place to prevent the plug from being pulled suddenly as Black did last month? This links to the PL proposals to secure operating losses against owners' assets. I'm not expecting answers to these questions, although in essence, this is what Paolo will have wanted to know in his meeting. Because the 'plan' he bought into effectively required the club to lose money for the next eighteen months in the quest for the Championship. Nearly £2 million from here to summer 2014. If we don't sell out the CG tomorrow, at just £15 a ticket, it puts the financial problem into sharp focus.[/p][/quote]But those losses are unsustainable though and maybe PDC needs to realise that. Fitton's line about the FLC being worth £10m/year doesn't seem to stack up. The FL TV deal is £195m/3 years = £65m/year. So that's probably only £2-2.5m per FLC team. We might get some more on sponsorship and commercial activities, but some of the deals will already be in place for next season and beyond. We've got no exec boxes or anything like that, so matchday corporate hospitality is limited. We'd get more away fans and some more home fans, but the CG would be the smallest ground in the FLC (Peterboro's holds 15,460), so we'd be well behind every one else on gate receipts, plus all the knock-on income: programmes, concessions, etc. But 2000 more spectators x £20 x 23 games only equals £920k - we simply can't case in like Bradford could in the FL Cup. Does that add up to £10m a season? Doesn't seem that likely. Against all that we'd have higher wages and bringing in FLC players instead of FL1 ones means higher transfer fees, even if we can be targetting new players better than we have done. And if we go down, we'd need to have relegation clauses built into contracts or we'd be in a mess. Unless the new board are prepared to fund at least a new Town End no later than summer 2014 so we can start generating more income, then the current "plan" cannot continue. Fans need to realise that, and so does Di Canio.[/p][/quote]A couple of good posts that address the real issues facing the club. . I agree that the ground has to be dedeveloped soon if we harbour serious hopes of establishing ourselves at a higher level. If and when the new owners do get their feet under the table, I think one of the first things we need to hear from them is what, if anything, they intend to do about it. As much as I am grateful to the outgoing owners, I don't think they were straight with the supporters on their plans for redevelopment or about the obstacles that might be preventing them coming to fruition. But, for all that, sometimes I wonder if the bottom line is that the Swindon area just doesn't contain enough real football fans (people who want to support a club in a practical sense, i.e. with money and voice) to sustain a football club playing at a decent level.[/p][/quote]Den, that's the conclusion you might reach from the above analysis but I,don't see why we can't get a new generation of fans. Reading have and traditionally we had also had better support than them. On that basis I am more optimistic. However, I suspect that the business model PdC originally agreed with Black etc is not proving viable. I think Fitton had it right personally. mancrobin

6:51pm Fri 8 Feb 13

Steve. Brentford says...

Steve. Brentford wrote:
the don69 wrote:
Steve. Brentford wrote:
the don69 wrote:
Oi Den! wrote:
Little porky at the end there, Don?
I'll stick to the non disclosure agreement on that one Den??????????
Who`s Diana Ross:O)
Same as Seve?was gonna have some Burger's tonight!just looked in the fridge and there off!!!!!!!!!!!
Done me,Don,good one.
But tell me why the long face!
[quote][p][bold]Steve. Brentford[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]the don69[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Steve. Brentford[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]the don69[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Oi Den![/bold] wrote: Little porky at the end there, Don?[/p][/quote]I'll stick to the non disclosure agreement on that one Den??????????[/p][/quote]Who`s Diana Ross:O)[/p][/quote]Same as Seve?was gonna have some Burger's tonight!just looked in the fridge and there off!!!!!!!!!!![/p][/quote]Done me,Don,good one.[/p][/quote]But tell me why the long face! Steve. Brentford

7:03pm Fri 8 Feb 13

1vision says...

Anyone see the local bbc news this evening. Apparently the FL are awaiting a couple more items of info from the new owners and now the take over will go into next week.
Anyone see the local bbc news this evening. Apparently the FL are awaiting a couple more items of info from the new owners and now the take over will go into next week. 1vision

7:07pm Fri 8 Feb 13

red_welder says...

Make sure you wash your burgers down with diet coke................
............its shergar free!
Make sure you wash your burgers down with diet coke................ ............its shergar free! red_welder

7:12pm Fri 8 Feb 13

Pewsham Red says...

the owl wrote:
Like any other employee Di Canio can, if he chooses, listen to the new owners plans and decide if he wishes to continue his job or otherwise.
His immature and petulant manner to date suggests he believes he is more important than the club itself .
When all said and done he is just one more manager with an ego somewhat larger than his ability and the world will continue to revolve whatever his decision.

In a few weeks the faithfull will be singing AN Others Red and White Army and moaning and groaning about this and that.
Welcome to the real world
Thanks for your input - whoever you are.
[quote][p][bold]the owl[/bold] wrote: Like any other employee Di Canio can, if he chooses, listen to the new owners plans and decide if he wishes to continue his job or otherwise. His immature and petulant manner to date suggests he believes he is more important than the club itself . When all said and done he is just one more manager with an ego somewhat larger than his ability and the world will continue to revolve whatever his decision. In a few weeks the faithfull will be singing AN Others Red and White Army and moaning and groaning about this and that. Welcome to the real world[/p][/quote]Thanks for your input - whoever you are. Pewsham Red

7:18pm Fri 8 Feb 13

mallorca says...

The whole thing stinks just like the deal at Port Vale,anyone any ideas on additional details needed.
Just don´t sound as if all is right otherwisw FL would have concluded oh owhy allwaus the Town mind you last thing we need is Mickey Mouse Owners
Guess we need GUV to give us the SP on this as Pdc met with owners yet not a peep,totally unlike Pdc still we need to have patience just hope I´m totally wrong on this it´s just a feeling nothing else,hate to be all doom and gloom especially when maybe we can go top of the division,sorry guys apoligies from me
The whole thing stinks just like the deal at Port Vale,anyone any ideas on additional details needed. Just don´t sound as if all is right otherwisw FL would have concluded oh owhy allwaus the Town mind you last thing we need is Mickey Mouse Owners Guess we need GUV to give us the SP on this as Pdc met with owners yet not a peep,totally unlike Pdc still we need to have patience just hope I´m totally wrong on this it´s just a feeling nothing else,hate to be all doom and gloom especially when maybe we can go top of the division,sorry guys apoligies from me mallorca

7:25pm Fri 8 Feb 13

Pewsham Red says...

spectacles testicals wallet watch wrote:
Surely some good must have come from yesterday otherwise without the right backing PDC would have said things remain untenable. Also i see that Green is now considering MK Franchise, Why? Surely we are the more attractive option especially now we look likely to get the purchase ratified with PDC at the helm. 'Orrible bloody franchised club
Can't see how you work that out. Move to a stable club or one that has just messed you about, with a board trying to sell up and a new board not in place and not able to sign anyone and the manager that wanted to buy you who may or may not be around when you finally turn up.

Looks an easy decision to me.
[quote][p][bold]spectacles testicals wallet watch[/bold] wrote: Surely some good must have come from yesterday otherwise without the right backing PDC would have said things remain untenable. Also i see that Green is now considering MK Franchise, Why? Surely we are the more attractive option especially now we look likely to get the purchase ratified with PDC at the helm. 'Orrible bloody franchised club[/p][/quote]Can't see how you work that out. Move to a stable club or one that has just messed you about, with a board trying to sell up and a new board not in place and not able to sign anyone and the manager that wanted to buy you who may or may not be around when you finally turn up. Looks an easy decision to me. Pewsham Red

7:58pm Fri 8 Feb 13

the don69 says...

Steve. Brentford wrote:
Steve. Brentford wrote:
the don69 wrote:
Steve. Brentford wrote:
the don69 wrote:
Oi Den! wrote:
Little porky at the end there, Don?
I'll stick to the non disclosure agreement on that one Den??????????
Who`s Diana Ross:O)
Same as Seve?was gonna have some Burger's tonight!just looked in the fridge and there off!!!!!!!!!!!
Done me,Don,good one.
But tell me why the long face!
Still got the trots after after the last lot!but my condition is now Stable!lol!!!!!!!!
[quote][p][bold]Steve. Brentford[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Steve. Brentford[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]the don69[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Steve. Brentford[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]the don69[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Oi Den![/bold] wrote: Little porky at the end there, Don?[/p][/quote]I'll stick to the non disclosure agreement on that one Den??????????[/p][/quote]Who`s Diana Ross:O)[/p][/quote]Same as Seve?was gonna have some Burger's tonight!just looked in the fridge and there off!!!!!!!!!!![/p][/quote]Done me,Don,good one.[/p][/quote]But tell me why the long face![/p][/quote]Still got the trots after after the last lot!but my condition is now Stable!lol!!!!!!!! the don69

8:07pm Fri 8 Feb 13

Steve. Brentford says...

the don69 wrote:
Steve. Brentford wrote:
Steve. Brentford wrote:
the don69 wrote:
Steve. Brentford wrote:
the don69 wrote:
Oi Den! wrote:
Little porky at the end there, Don?
I'll stick to the non disclosure agreement on that one Den??????????
Who`s Diana Ross:O)
Same as Seve?was gonna have some Burger's tonight!just looked in the fridge and there off!!!!!!!!!!!
Done me,Don,good one.
But tell me why the long face!
Still got the trots after after the last lot!but my condition is now Stable!lol!!!!!!!!
Ahh you should never eat burgers from the main course always go for the ones that are under the starters orders....
Unfortunately I'm here all week.....
[quote][p][bold]the don69[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Steve. Brentford[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Steve. Brentford[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]the don69[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Steve. Brentford[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]the don69[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Oi Den![/bold] wrote: Little porky at the end there, Don?[/p][/quote]I'll stick to the non disclosure agreement on that one Den??????????[/p][/quote]Who`s Diana Ross:O)[/p][/quote]Same as Seve?was gonna have some Burger's tonight!just looked in the fridge and there off!!!!!!!!!!![/p][/quote]Done me,Don,good one.[/p][/quote]But tell me why the long face![/p][/quote]Still got the trots after after the last lot!but my condition is now Stable!lol!!!!!!!![/p][/quote]Ahh you should never eat burgers from the main course always go for the ones that are under the starters orders.... Unfortunately I'm here all week..... Steve. Brentford

8:25pm Fri 8 Feb 13

TheDukeOfBanbury says...

red_welder wrote:
Make sure you wash your burgers down with diet coke................ ............its shergar free!
Coke was "flat" and the burgers were "good to soft"
[quote][p][bold]red_welder[/bold] wrote: Make sure you wash your burgers down with diet coke................ ............its shergar free![/p][/quote]Coke was "flat" and the burgers were "good to soft" TheDukeOfBanbury

8:50pm Fri 8 Feb 13

southside7 says...

Oi Den! wrote:
Jeremy Hilary Boob wrote:
Oi Den! wrote:
Jeremy Hilary Boob wrote:
madterrier wrote:
I just hope that the Adver will be able to find out from someone....

- Is the new consortium willing to sustain the operating losses, reckoned to be £100,000 a week, for this season and the next if needs be, to deliver Championship football?

- How will this money be pumped into the club (equity or loans?), and what financial guarantees will be in place to prevent the plug from being pulled suddenly as Black did last month? This links to the PL proposals to secure operating losses against owners' assets.

I'm not expecting answers to these questions, although in essence, this is what Paolo will have wanted to know in his meeting. Because the 'plan' he bought into effectively required the club to lose money for the next eighteen months in the quest for the Championship. Nearly £2 million from here to summer 2014.

If we don't sell out the CG tomorrow, at just £15 a ticket, it puts the financial problem into sharp focus.
But those losses are unsustainable though and maybe PDC needs to realise that.

Fitton's line about the FLC being worth £10m/year doesn't seem to stack up. The FL TV deal is £195m/3 years = £65m/year. So that's probably only £2-2.5m per FLC team.

We might get some more on sponsorship and commercial activities, but some of the deals will already be in place for next season and beyond. We've got no exec boxes or anything like that, so matchday corporate hospitality is limited.

We'd get more away fans and some more home fans, but the CG would be the smallest ground in the FLC (Peterboro's holds 15,460), so we'd be well behind every one else on gate receipts, plus all the knock-on income: programmes, concessions, etc. But 2000 more spectators x £20 x 23 games only equals £920k - we simply can't case in like Bradford could in the FL Cup.

Does that add up to £10m a season? Doesn't seem that likely.

Against all that we'd have higher wages and bringing in FLC players instead of FL1 ones means higher transfer fees, even if we can be targetting new players better than we have done. And if we go down, we'd need to have relegation clauses built into contracts or we'd be in a mess.

Unless the new board are prepared to fund at least a new Town End no later than summer 2014 so we can start generating more income, then the current "plan" cannot continue. Fans need to realise that, and so does Di Canio.
A couple of good posts that address the real issues facing the club.
.
I agree that the ground has to be dedeveloped soon if we harbour serious hopes of establishing ourselves at a higher level. If and when the new owners do get their feet under the table, I think one of the first things we need to hear from them is what, if anything, they intend to do about it. As much as I am grateful to the outgoing owners, I don't think they were straight with the supporters on their plans for redevelopment or about the obstacles that might be preventing them coming to fruition.

But, for all that, sometimes I wonder if the bottom line is that the Swindon area just doesn't contain enough real football fans (people who want to support a club in a practical sense, i.e. with money and voice) to sustain a football club playing at a decent level.
I think Swindon does, but it's tapping into that potential that's the problem.

Going to football is something you get into that becomes a habit. Not going is also something that is or becomes a habit. The Town's task is that turning the latter into the former.

It's all very well looking at the gates and thinking the CG is up to the job, but really it isn't. The gates vs Wigan and Villa have shown that more people will go and watch the Town, and some of those will continue to watch the Town. Neither of those (esp. Wigan) were particularly attractive, but there were more fans turning out and the Town put up good performances - exactly the sort of thing that gets people coming back for more.

I know it was a couple of rounds further on, but look how many Bradford got vs Villa. We'd have packed out the CG for a SF, but that's still only 14,000-ish. Bradford got 25,000. That's 10,000+ extra potential fans than Bradford can generate compared to Swindon. That's 10,000 extra seats that can give away to kids, use for cheap promotions or cash in when there's a big cup match or the team's doing well in the league.

One of the most depressing things about the Town in recent years is the amount of money that has been pumped into it simply to pay bills and players' wages. Not of it has benefited the club in the long term whatsoever - the £10m Black and co. spent would have paid for two end stands which would generate income in the longer run. Instead it was spent on agents' fees and paying off the likes of Magera and Kerrouche.
Agree with much of that but I think your logic falls down on the £10m. That was what they spent to clear existing debts when they came in. There was no option to spend it on the ground - unless they wanted to spend another £10m of course. I agree that vast amounts must have been spent on the playing side, but nowhere near £10m.
Interesting posts. One thing that always hits me is, unless you are seriously wealthy and inevitale loses don't matter, why would anyone want to invest in a club like ours? Why did Andrew Black invest in the first place? It can't be pure venture capatilism as there are probably literally thousands of better non sports related ventures higher up the list. People have said Black invested because his mates told him to, what on earth does that mean?
[quote][p][bold]Oi Den![/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Jeremy Hilary Boob[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Oi Den![/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Jeremy Hilary Boob[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]madterrier[/bold] wrote: I just hope that the Adver will be able to find out from someone.... - Is the new consortium willing to sustain the operating losses, reckoned to be £100,000 a week, for this season and the next if needs be, to deliver Championship football? - How will this money be pumped into the club (equity or loans?), and what financial guarantees will be in place to prevent the plug from being pulled suddenly as Black did last month? This links to the PL proposals to secure operating losses against owners' assets. I'm not expecting answers to these questions, although in essence, this is what Paolo will have wanted to know in his meeting. Because the 'plan' he bought into effectively required the club to lose money for the next eighteen months in the quest for the Championship. Nearly £2 million from here to summer 2014. If we don't sell out the CG tomorrow, at just £15 a ticket, it puts the financial problem into sharp focus.[/p][/quote]But those losses are unsustainable though and maybe PDC needs to realise that. Fitton's line about the FLC being worth £10m/year doesn't seem to stack up. The FL TV deal is £195m/3 years = £65m/year. So that's probably only £2-2.5m per FLC team. We might get some more on sponsorship and commercial activities, but some of the deals will already be in place for next season and beyond. We've got no exec boxes or anything like that, so matchday corporate hospitality is limited. We'd get more away fans and some more home fans, but the CG would be the smallest ground in the FLC (Peterboro's holds 15,460), so we'd be well behind every one else on gate receipts, plus all the knock-on income: programmes, concessions, etc. But 2000 more spectators x £20 x 23 games only equals £920k - we simply can't case in like Bradford could in the FL Cup. Does that add up to £10m a season? Doesn't seem that likely. Against all that we'd have higher wages and bringing in FLC players instead of FL1 ones means higher transfer fees, even if we can be targetting new players better than we have done. And if we go down, we'd need to have relegation clauses built into contracts or we'd be in a mess. Unless the new board are prepared to fund at least a new Town End no later than summer 2014 so we can start generating more income, then the current "plan" cannot continue. Fans need to realise that, and so does Di Canio.[/p][/quote]A couple of good posts that address the real issues facing the club. . I agree that the ground has to be dedeveloped soon if we harbour serious hopes of establishing ourselves at a higher level. If and when the new owners do get their feet under the table, I think one of the first things we need to hear from them is what, if anything, they intend to do about it. As much as I am grateful to the outgoing owners, I don't think they were straight with the supporters on their plans for redevelopment or about the obstacles that might be preventing them coming to fruition. But, for all that, sometimes I wonder if the bottom line is that the Swindon area just doesn't contain enough real football fans (people who want to support a club in a practical sense, i.e. with money and voice) to sustain a football club playing at a decent level.[/p][/quote]I think Swindon does, but it's tapping into that potential that's the problem. Going to football is something you get into that becomes a habit. Not going is also something that is or becomes a habit. The Town's task is that turning the latter into the former. It's all very well looking at the gates and thinking the CG is up to the job, but really it isn't. The gates vs Wigan and Villa have shown that more people will go and watch the Town, and some of those will continue to watch the Town. Neither of those (esp. Wigan) were particularly attractive, but there were more fans turning out and the Town put up good performances - exactly the sort of thing that gets people coming back for more. I know it was a couple of rounds further on, but look how many Bradford got vs Villa. We'd have packed out the CG for a SF, but that's still only 14,000-ish. Bradford got 25,000. That's 10,000+ extra potential fans than Bradford can generate compared to Swindon. That's 10,000 extra seats that can give away to kids, use for cheap promotions or cash in when there's a big cup match or the team's doing well in the league. One of the most depressing things about the Town in recent years is the amount of money that has been pumped into it simply to pay bills and players' wages. Not of it has benefited the club in the long term whatsoever - the £10m Black and co. spent would have paid for two end stands which would generate income in the longer run. Instead it was spent on agents' fees and paying off the likes of Magera and Kerrouche.[/p][/quote]Agree with much of that but I think your logic falls down on the £10m. That was what they spent to clear existing debts when they came in. There was no option to spend it on the ground - unless they wanted to spend another £10m of course. I agree that vast amounts must have been spent on the playing side, but nowhere near £10m.[/p][/quote]Interesting posts. One thing that always hits me is, unless you are seriously wealthy and inevitale loses don't matter, why would anyone want to invest in a club like ours? Why did Andrew Black invest in the first place? It can't be pure venture capatilism as there are probably literally thousands of better non sports related ventures higher up the list. People have said Black invested because his mates told him to, what on earth does that mean? southside7

9:01pm Fri 8 Feb 13

Hi Ho Swindon says...

Reference the covenant, if I am not mistaken the club at one point, in the ill fated St Mowden days, was looking at a potential of a new ground at Shaw Forest, the old landfill site behind the Renault building.
I am sure at the time the council said they were willing to 'transfer' the covenant from the CG to the new site.
Of course, this would be in the councils interest, selling 'prime' land in the town centre and moving the covenant to much less valuable land.
Living locally to this area I am almost certain this was the case.
Reference the covenant, if I am not mistaken the club at one point, in the ill fated St Mowden days, was looking at a potential of a new ground at Shaw Forest, the old landfill site behind the Renault building. I am sure at the time the council said they were willing to 'transfer' the covenant from the CG to the new site. Of course, this would be in the councils interest, selling 'prime' land in the town centre and moving the covenant to much less valuable land. Living locally to this area I am almost certain this was the case. Hi Ho Swindon

9:13pm Fri 8 Feb 13

swindon1969 says...

How many new posters? Amazing.
I realise i have not been on here for a while, but really, why so many? Interesting that some of the older posters have reconised the old problems are sneaking back in to this site, yes you know who you are, the same people replying to themselves in affect, just to make themselves more in the know,SAD really.
But this club of ours now know we have to expand somewhere, where will it be, i dont know,but we have to get bigger somewhere.
As has been said above, it does not look like it will be at the county ground unless the council lets go, its their say at this moment in time that dictates the future of Swindon Town FC.
Sad but true. Rememer those days when we had sell out crowds, before standing was not aloud? Then they went to seating, i was there when we played Arsenal in 1972 when the crowd was 32,000!!!! Bring back standing, we wont have to move.
How many new posters? Amazing. I realise i have not been on here for a while, but really, why so many? Interesting that some of the older posters have reconised the old problems are sneaking back in to this site, yes you know who you are, the same people replying to themselves in affect, just to make themselves more in the know,SAD really. But this club of ours now know we have to expand somewhere, where will it be, i dont know,but we have to get bigger somewhere. As has been said above, it does not look like it will be at the county ground unless the council lets go, its their say at this moment in time that dictates the future of Swindon Town FC. Sad but true. Rememer those days when we had sell out crowds, before standing was not aloud? Then they went to seating, i was there when we played Arsenal in 1972 when the crowd was 32,000!!!! Bring back standing, we wont have to move. swindon1969

9:47pm Fri 8 Feb 13

jayden says...

Steve. Brentford wrote:
the don69 wrote:
Steve. Brentford wrote:
Steve. Brentford wrote:
the don69 wrote:
Steve. Brentford wrote:
the don69 wrote:
Oi Den! wrote:
Little porky at the end there, Don?
I'll stick to the non disclosure agreement on that one Den??????????
Who`s Diana Ross:O)
Same as Seve?was gonna have some Burger's tonight!just looked in the fridge and there off!!!!!!!!!!!
Done me,Don,good one.
But tell me why the long face!
Still got the trots after after the last lot!but my condition is now Stable!lol!!!!!!!!
Ahh you should never eat burgers from the main course always go for the ones that are under the starters orders....
Unfortunately I'm here all week.....
A lot of horse play on here tonight its the last straw i'm at the end of my tether.
[quote][p][bold]Steve. Brentford[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]the don69[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Steve. Brentford[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Steve. Brentford[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]the don69[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Steve. Brentford[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]the don69[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Oi Den![/bold] wrote: Little porky at the end there, Don?[/p][/quote]I'll stick to the non disclosure agreement on that one Den??????????[/p][/quote]Who`s Diana Ross:O)[/p][/quote]Same as Seve?was gonna have some Burger's tonight!just looked in the fridge and there off!!!!!!!!!!![/p][/quote]Done me,Don,good one.[/p][/quote]But tell me why the long face![/p][/quote]Still got the trots after after the last lot!but my condition is now Stable!lol!!!!!!!![/p][/quote]Ahh you should never eat burgers from the main course always go for the ones that are under the starters orders.... Unfortunately I'm here all week.....[/p][/quote]A lot of horse play on here tonight its the last straw i'm at the end of my tether. jayden

11:13pm Fri 8 Feb 13

old town robin says...

Jeremy Hilary Boob wrote:
LydiardRED67 wrote:
Oi Den! wrote:
madterrier wrote:
JHB - I'm well aware that such losses are unsustainable, but will Paolo? Or does he think that 'dreamchasing' is fine so long as it's OPM?

On the ground, we really are getting left behind. The CG is dated, limited and doesn't stack up against the grounds owned or planned by our neighbours, as well as those in the Championship. Hard to be optimistic or see what the answer is, with the restrictive covenant on the CG as it is. Pompey have a similar covenant, which ties their hands considerably too.
terrier, does anyone know whether the restrictive covenant actually exists? It's often referred to on here but I don't think I've ever seen any confirmation. I still think biggest task facing the club may be the prising of the freehold away from the Council. In some respects that might not be a bad thing. I shudder to think what might have happened if some of our previous STFC regimes had got their hands on it. I can think of a few individuals who might have filled their boots and left the club in the lurch. And we still need to guard against that.
Good point. We all quote the "covenant" but we don't know for sure.

I guess we will only know if it exists is if we rlocate and the Council is forced to develope the land.

We will then see if the likes of IKEA is classed as a leisure pusruit.

Like you, I think the Council have no intention of selling for whatever reason) and I suspect if any STFC owners have aspirations of a new stadium it will be away from the CG.

Perhaps some form of shared development with the speedway, although not the same stadium.
Agreed about the covenant. It might well exist as we all think, but it might not - Torquay's ground was alleged to have one but it turned out it didn't.

Even with a covenent, can't the club buy the *site* not just the current ground? You could relocate the cricket ground much easier the the football ground as fewer people would object to a cricket ground nearby. Then the club could turn the pitch around or even just build a totally new ground on the cricket pitch.

Otherwise, if the club does get into the FLC, 21st place would be a massive achievement. We'd currently have the smallest ground -only Peterboro's, Blackpool's and Watford's holds less than 20,000 and it's commonsense than you can reach the average FLC attendance of 17,000+ in a ground that holds 15,000.
agree with most of what you say, but if it was ever sanctioned to have some standing room we could easily reach the 17k mark. I have been in the CG with over 30k in attendance and that's not counting the ones that scaled the Bank to get in.. I know that could never happen again and I can remember the headline made by the chairman in the football pink the first time we were promoted to div 2 (championship) in 1963, he said we would need 19k to sustain our challange and that's when we were avaraging 15k.
[quote][p][bold]Jeremy Hilary Boob[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]LydiardRED67[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Oi Den![/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]madterrier[/bold] wrote: JHB - I'm well aware that such losses are unsustainable, but will Paolo? Or does he think that 'dreamchasing' is fine so long as it's OPM? On the ground, we really are getting left behind. The CG is dated, limited and doesn't stack up against the grounds owned or planned by our neighbours, as well as those in the Championship. Hard to be optimistic or see what the answer is, with the restrictive covenant on the CG as it is. Pompey have a similar covenant, which ties their hands considerably too.[/p][/quote]terrier, does anyone know whether the restrictive covenant actually exists? It's often referred to on here but I don't think I've ever seen any confirmation. I still think biggest task facing the club may be the prising of the freehold away from the Council. In some respects that might not be a bad thing. I shudder to think what might have happened if some of our previous STFC regimes had got their hands on it. I can think of a few individuals who might have filled their boots and left the club in the lurch. And we still need to guard against that.[/p][/quote]Good point. We all quote the "covenant" but we don't know for sure. I guess we will only know if it exists is if we rlocate and the Council is forced to develope the land. We will then see if the likes of IKEA is classed as a leisure pusruit. Like you, I think the Council have no intention of selling for whatever reason) and I suspect if any STFC owners have aspirations of a new stadium it will be away from the CG. Perhaps some form of shared development with the speedway, although not the same stadium.[/p][/quote]Agreed about the covenant. It might well exist as we all think, but it might not - Torquay's ground was alleged to have one but it turned out it didn't. Even with a covenent, can't the club buy the *site* not just the current ground? You could relocate the cricket ground much easier the the football ground as fewer people would object to a cricket ground nearby. Then the club could turn the pitch around or even just build a totally new ground on the cricket pitch. Otherwise, if the club does get into the FLC, 21st place would be a massive achievement. We'd currently have the smallest ground -only Peterboro's, Blackpool's and Watford's holds less than 20,000 and it's commonsense than you can reach the average FLC attendance of 17,000+ in a ground that holds 15,000.[/p][/quote]agree with most of what you say, but if it was ever sanctioned to have some standing room we could easily reach the 17k mark. I have been in the CG with over 30k in attendance and that's not counting the ones that scaled the Bank to get in.. I know that could never happen again and I can remember the headline made by the chairman in the football pink the first time we were promoted to div 2 (championship) in 1963, he said we would need 19k to sustain our challange and that's when we were avaraging 15k. old town robin

11:18pm Fri 8 Feb 13

topsecret says...

The Jockster wrote:
SAPFanSTFC wrote:
Doctor red wrote:
Oxon-Red wrote:
stfc2012 wrote:
I think when we score a goal everyone should cheer.
WHAT, even those in the Arkells :-)

COYMR
The Doc and and his medic friends have infiltrated the
Arkells stand near directors box, and will get the crowd going tomorrow-even the old guy from Wroughton with the rattle will be singing tomorrow, promise!!!

The Doc
We've got quite a few voices in and around that area already plus there's a decent crew nearer the away fans - it's the end nearer the town end which need some encouragement as it never seems to get going down that way....or maybe like our area - too few voices.
....
One request though, please keep the effing and blinding down though - lots of young kiddies in that area.
The Arkells stand shouldn't need any extra voices, not with you in there surely? :) So the takeover didn't happen yesterday then matey or by lunchtime today. Don't know where you got those crystal balls from but you & Loyal should throw them out and try the Tarot, Stephen Holbrook, Derek Acorah or some other clairvoyant lol!
maybe they are trying to be positive ,as u are not a swindon fan you wouldnt understand . That is why you take cheap shots at every opportunity . Do you just sit there grinning like a cheshire cat with a hard-on when people get things wrong ?
[quote][p][bold]The Jockster[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SAPFanSTFC[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Doctor red[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Oxon-Red[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]stfc2012[/bold] wrote: I think when we score a goal everyone should cheer.[/p][/quote]WHAT, even those in the Arkells :-) COYMR[/p][/quote]The Doc and and his medic friends have infiltrated the Arkells stand near directors box, and will get the crowd going tomorrow-even the old guy from Wroughton with the rattle will be singing tomorrow, promise!!! The Doc[/p][/quote]We've got quite a few voices in and around that area already plus there's a decent crew nearer the away fans - it's the end nearer the town end which need some encouragement as it never seems to get going down that way....or maybe like our area - too few voices. .... One request though, please keep the effing and blinding down though - lots of young kiddies in that area.[/p][/quote]The Arkells stand shouldn't need any extra voices, not with you in there surely? :) So the takeover didn't happen yesterday then matey or by lunchtime today. Don't know where you got those crystal balls from but you & Loyal should throw them out and try the Tarot, Stephen Holbrook, Derek Acorah or some other clairvoyant lol![/p][/quote]maybe they are trying to be positive ,as u are not a swindon fan you wouldnt understand . That is why you take cheap shots at every opportunity . Do you just sit there grinning like a cheshire cat with a hard-on when people get things wrong ? topsecret

11:25pm Fri 8 Feb 13

topsecret says...

the don69 wrote:
Steve. Brentford wrote:
Steve. Brentford wrote:
the don69 wrote:
Steve. Brentford wrote:
the don69 wrote:
Oi Den! wrote:
Little porky at the end there, Don?
I'll stick to the non disclosure agreement on that one Den??????????
Who`s Diana Ross:O)
Same as Seve?was gonna have some Burger's tonight!just looked in the fridge and there off!!!!!!!!!!!
Done me,Don,good one.
But tell me why the long face!
Still got the trots after after the last lot!but my condition is now Stable!lol!!!!!!!!
i went to get a burger today , was asked what i wanted on it ?. i said £5 each way
[quote][p][bold]the don69[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Steve. Brentford[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Steve. Brentford[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]the don69[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Steve. Brentford[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]the don69[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Oi Den![/bold] wrote: Little porky at the end there, Don?[/p][/quote]I'll stick to the non disclosure agreement on that one Den??????????[/p][/quote]Who`s Diana Ross:O)[/p][/quote]Same as Seve?was gonna have some Burger's tonight!just looked in the fridge and there off!!!!!!!!!!![/p][/quote]Done me,Don,good one.[/p][/quote]But tell me why the long face![/p][/quote]Still got the trots after after the last lot!but my condition is now Stable!lol!!!!!!!![/p][/quote]i went to get a burger today , was asked what i wanted on it ?. i said £5 each way topsecret

12:19am Sat 9 Feb 13

Steve. Brentford says...

jayden wrote:
Steve. Brentford wrote:
the don69 wrote:
Steve. Brentford wrote:
Steve. Brentford wrote:
the don69 wrote:
Steve. Brentford wrote:
the don69 wrote:
Oi Den! wrote:
Little porky at the end there, Don?
I'll stick to the non disclosure agreement on that one Den??????????
Who`s Diana Ross:O)
Same as Seve?was gonna have some Burger's tonight!just looked in the fridge and there off!!!!!!!!!!!
Done me,Don,good one.
But tell me why the long face!
Still got the trots after after the last lot!but my condition is now Stable!lol!!!!!!!!
Ahh you should never eat burgers from the main course always go for the ones that are under the starters orders....
Unfortunately I'm here all week.....
A lot of horse play on here tonight its the last straw i'm at the end of my tether.
Hay pull your reins in there son before you spread a plate.These jokes wont last FURLONG...
[quote][p][bold]jayden[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Steve. Brentford[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]the don69[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Steve. Brentford[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Steve. Brentford[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]the don69[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Steve. Brentford[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]the don69[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Oi Den![/bold] wrote: Little porky at the end there, Don?[/p][/quote]I'll stick to the non disclosure agreement on that one Den??????????[/p][/quote]Who`s Diana Ross:O)[/p][/quote]Same as Seve?was gonna have some Burger's tonight!just looked in the fridge and there off!!!!!!!!!!![/p][/quote]Done me,Don,good one.[/p][/quote]But tell me why the long face![/p][/quote]Still got the trots after after the last lot!but my condition is now Stable!lol!!!!!!!![/p][/quote]Ahh you should never eat burgers from the main course always go for the ones that are under the starters orders.... Unfortunately I'm here all week.....[/p][/quote]A lot of horse play on here tonight its the last straw i'm at the end of my tether.[/p][/quote]Hay pull your reins in there son before you spread a plate.These jokes wont last FURLONG... Steve. Brentford

8:36am Sat 9 Feb 13

Jeremy Hilary Boob says...

Oi Den! wrote:
Jeremy Hilary Boob wrote:
Oi Den! wrote:
Jeremy Hilary Boob wrote:
madterrier wrote:
I just hope that the Adver will be able to find out from someone....

- Is the new consortium willing to sustain the operating losses, reckoned to be £100,000 a week, for this season and the next if needs be, to deliver Championship football?

- How will this money be pumped into the club (equity or loans?), and what financial guarantees will be in place to prevent the plug from being pulled suddenly as Black did last month? This links to the PL proposals to secure operating losses against owners' assets.

I'm not expecting answers to these questions, although in essence, this is what Paolo will have wanted to know in his meeting. Because the 'plan' he bought into effectively required the club to lose money for the next eighteen months in the quest for the Championship. Nearly £2 million from here to summer 2014.

If we don't sell out the CG tomorrow, at just £15 a ticket, it puts the financial problem into sharp focus.
But those losses are unsustainable though and maybe PDC needs to realise that.

Fitton's line about the FLC being worth £10m/year doesn't seem to stack up. The FL TV deal is £195m/3 years = £65m/year. So that's probably only £2-2.5m per FLC team.

We might get some more on sponsorship and commercial activities, but some of the deals will already be in place for next season and beyond. We've got no exec boxes or anything like that, so matchday corporate hospitality is limited.

We'd get more away fans and some more home fans, but the CG would be the smallest ground in the FLC (Peterboro's holds 15,460), so we'd be well behind every one else on gate receipts, plus all the knock-on income: programmes, concessions, etc. But 2000 more spectators x £20 x 23 games only equals £920k - we simply can't case in like Bradford could in the FL Cup.

Does that add up to £10m a season? Doesn't seem that likely.

Against all that we'd have higher wages and bringing in FLC players instead of FL1 ones means higher transfer fees, even if we can be targetting new players better than we have done. And if we go down, we'd need to have relegation clauses built into contracts or we'd be in a mess.

Unless the new board are prepared to fund at least a new Town End no later than summer 2014 so we can start generating more income, then the current "plan" cannot continue. Fans need to realise that, and so does Di Canio.
A couple of good posts that address the real issues facing the club.
.
I agree that the ground has to be dedeveloped soon if we harbour serious hopes of establishing ourselves at a higher level. If and when the new owners do get their feet under the table, I think one of the first things we need to hear from them is what, if anything, they intend to do about it. As much as I am grateful to the outgoing owners, I don't think they were straight with the supporters on their plans for redevelopment or about the obstacles that might be preventing them coming to fruition.

But, for all that, sometimes I wonder if the bottom line is that the Swindon area just doesn't contain enough real football fans (people who want to support a club in a practical sense, i.e. with money and voice) to sustain a football club playing at a decent level.
I think Swindon does, but it's tapping into that potential that's the problem.

Going to football is something you get into that becomes a habit. Not going is also something that is or becomes a habit. The Town's task is that turning the latter into the former.

It's all very well looking at the gates and thinking the CG is up to the job, but really it isn't. The gates vs Wigan and Villa have shown that more people will go and watch the Town, and some of those will continue to watch the Town. Neither of those (esp. Wigan) were particularly attractive, but there were more fans turning out and the Town put up good performances - exactly the sort of thing that gets people coming back for more.

I know it was a couple of rounds further on, but look how many Bradford got vs Villa. We'd have packed out the CG for a SF, but that's still only 14,000-ish. Bradford got 25,000. That's 10,000+ extra potential fans than Bradford can generate compared to Swindon. That's 10,000 extra seats that can give away to kids, use for cheap promotions or cash in when there's a big cup match or the team's doing well in the league.

One of the most depressing things about the Town in recent years is the amount of money that has been pumped into it simply to pay bills and players' wages. Not of it has benefited the club in the long term whatsoever - the £10m Black and co. spent would have paid for two end stands which would generate income in the longer run. Instead it was spent on agents' fees and paying off the likes of Magera and Kerrouche.
Agree with much of that but I think your logic falls down on the £10m. That was what they spent to clear existing debts when they came in. There was no option to spend it on the ground - unless they wanted to spend another £10m of course. I agree that vast amounts must have been spent on the playing side, but nowhere near £10m.
Thanks for the clarification.

But, ultimately, that £10m was still debt racked up by the club paying beyond it's means. It doesn't really matter whether that was racked up when Black and co were running it - they were prepared to invest £10m but all it did was pay off the club's bills (albeit from years earlier). One thing we should be grateful for is that apart from day-to-day debts like tax and VAT, the club now appears to be relatively debt free.

As for the current costs - there are posters claiming Ritchie was on £10k a week. I've heard that Magera was on £9k. £10k a week = £520,000 a year. At £20 a ticket, that's 1100 through the turnstile to pay for ONE player. Even if it's £5k a week that's still 550+ people every home game. Then there's the manager: Di Canio has to one of, if not THE, highest paid manager in the bottom 2 divisions. I don't blame anyone for taking that sort of money, but the club itself really can't sustain wages at this level - and those wages would rocket it we were in the FLC next season.

And all the above is at £20 a ticket. How many people have got season tickets and are paying less than £20 a match? What about all the kids and OAPs paying lower prices?
[quote][p][bold]Oi Den![/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Jeremy Hilary Boob[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Oi Den![/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Jeremy Hilary Boob[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]madterrier[/bold] wrote: I just hope that the Adver will be able to find out from someone.... - Is the new consortium willing to sustain the operating losses, reckoned to be £100,000 a week, for this season and the next if needs be, to deliver Championship football? - How will this money be pumped into the club (equity or loans?), and what financial guarantees will be in place to prevent the plug from being pulled suddenly as Black did last month? This links to the PL proposals to secure operating losses against owners' assets. I'm not expecting answers to these questions, although in essence, this is what Paolo will have wanted to know in his meeting. Because the 'plan' he bought into effectively required the club to lose money for the next eighteen months in the quest for the Championship. Nearly £2 million from here to summer 2014. If we don't sell out the CG tomorrow, at just £15 a ticket, it puts the financial problem into sharp focus.[/p][/quote]But those losses are unsustainable though and maybe PDC needs to realise that. Fitton's line about the FLC being worth £10m/year doesn't seem to stack up. The FL TV deal is £195m/3 years = £65m/year. So that's probably only £2-2.5m per FLC team. We might get some more on sponsorship and commercial activities, but some of the deals will already be in place for next season and beyond. We've got no exec boxes or anything like that, so matchday corporate hospitality is limited. We'd get more away fans and some more home fans, but the CG would be the smallest ground in the FLC (Peterboro's holds 15,460), so we'd be well behind every one else on gate receipts, plus all the knock-on income: programmes, concessions, etc. But 2000 more spectators x £20 x 23 games only equals £920k - we simply can't case in like Bradford could in the FL Cup. Does that add up to £10m a season? Doesn't seem that likely. Against all that we'd have higher wages and bringing in FLC players instead of FL1 ones means higher transfer fees, even if we can be targetting new players better than we have done. And if we go down, we'd need to have relegation clauses built into contracts or we'd be in a mess. Unless the new board are prepared to fund at least a new Town End no later than summer 2014 so we can start generating more income, then the current "plan" cannot continue. Fans need to realise that, and so does Di Canio.[/p][/quote]A couple of good posts that address the real issues facing the club. . I agree that the ground has to be dedeveloped soon if we harbour serious hopes of establishing ourselves at a higher level. If and when the new owners do get their feet under the table, I think one of the first things we need to hear from them is what, if anything, they intend to do about it. As much as I am grateful to the outgoing owners, I don't think they were straight with the supporters on their plans for redevelopment or about the obstacles that might be preventing them coming to fruition. But, for all that, sometimes I wonder if the bottom line is that the Swindon area just doesn't contain enough real football fans (people who want to support a club in a practical sense, i.e. with money and voice) to sustain a football club playing at a decent level.[/p][/quote]I think Swindon does, but it's tapping into that potential that's the problem. Going to football is something you get into that becomes a habit. Not going is also something that is or becomes a habit. The Town's task is that turning the latter into the former. It's all very well looking at the gates and thinking the CG is up to the job, but really it isn't. The gates vs Wigan and Villa have shown that more people will go and watch the Town, and some of those will continue to watch the Town. Neither of those (esp. Wigan) were particularly attractive, but there were more fans turning out and the Town put up good performances - exactly the sort of thing that gets people coming back for more. I know it was a couple of rounds further on, but look how many Bradford got vs Villa. We'd have packed out the CG for a SF, but that's still only 14,000-ish. Bradford got 25,000. That's 10,000+ extra potential fans than Bradford can generate compared to Swindon. That's 10,000 extra seats that can give away to kids, use for cheap promotions or cash in when there's a big cup match or the team's doing well in the league. One of the most depressing things about the Town in recent years is the amount of money that has been pumped into it simply to pay bills and players' wages. Not of it has benefited the club in the long term whatsoever - the £10m Black and co. spent would have paid for two end stands which would generate income in the longer run. Instead it was spent on agents' fees and paying off the likes of Magera and Kerrouche.[/p][/quote]Agree with much of that but I think your logic falls down on the £10m. That was what they spent to clear existing debts when they came in. There was no option to spend it on the ground - unless they wanted to spend another £10m of course. I agree that vast amounts must have been spent on the playing side, but nowhere near £10m.[/p][/quote]Thanks for the clarification. But, ultimately, that £10m was still debt racked up by the club paying beyond it's means. It doesn't really matter whether that was racked up when Black and co were running it - they were prepared to invest £10m but all it did was pay off the club's bills (albeit from years earlier). One thing we should be grateful for is that apart from day-to-day debts like tax and VAT, the club now appears to be relatively debt free. As for the current costs - there are posters claiming Ritchie was on £10k a week. I've heard that Magera was on £9k. £10k a week = £520,000 a year. At £20 a ticket, that's 1100 through the turnstile to pay for ONE player. Even if it's £5k a week that's still 550+ people every home game. Then there's the manager: Di Canio has to one of, if not THE, highest paid manager in the bottom 2 divisions. I don't blame anyone for taking that sort of money, but the club itself really can't sustain wages at this level - and those wages would rocket it we were in the FLC next season. And all the above is at £20 a ticket. How many people have got season tickets and are paying less than £20 a match? What about all the kids and OAPs paying lower prices? Jeremy Hilary Boob

10:07pm Sat 9 Feb 13

Oi Den! says...

I don't argue with any of that JHB.
I don't argue with any of that JHB. Oi Den!

10:09pm Sat 9 Feb 13

Oi Den! says...

Steve. Brentford wrote:
jayden wrote:
Steve. Brentford wrote:
the don69 wrote:
Steve. Brentford wrote:
Steve. Brentford wrote:
the don69 wrote:
Steve. Brentford wrote:
the don69 wrote:
Oi Den! wrote:
Little porky at the end there, Don?
I'll stick to the non disclosure agreement on that one Den??????????
Who`s Diana Ross:O)
Same as Seve?was gonna have some Burger's tonight!just looked in the fridge and there off!!!!!!!!!!!
Done me,Don,good one.
But tell me why the long face!
Still got the trots after after the last lot!but my condition is now Stable!lol!!!!!!!!
Ahh you should never eat burgers from the main course always go for the ones that are under the starters orders....
Unfortunately I'm here all week.....
A lot of horse play on here tonight its the last straw i'm at the end of my tether.
Hay pull your reins in there son before you spread a plate.These jokes wont last FURLONG...
Steve, I had a really clever horse once. He even managed to make a bolt for the stable door.
[quote][p][bold]Steve. Brentford[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]jayden[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Steve. Brentford[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]the don69[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Steve. Brentford[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Steve. Brentford[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]the don69[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Steve. Brentford[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]the don69[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Oi Den![/bold] wrote: Little porky at the end there, Don?[/p][/quote]I'll stick to the non disclosure agreement on that one Den??????????[/p][/quote]Who`s Diana Ross:O)[/p][/quote]Same as Seve?was gonna have some Burger's tonight!just looked in the fridge and there off!!!!!!!!!!![/p][/quote]Done me,Don,good one.[/p][/quote]But tell me why the long face![/p][/quote]Still got the trots after after the last lot!but my condition is now Stable!lol!!!!!!!![/p][/quote]Ahh you should never eat burgers from the main course always go for the ones that are under the starters orders.... Unfortunately I'm here all week.....[/p][/quote]A lot of horse play on here tonight its the last straw i'm at the end of my tether.[/p][/quote]Hay pull your reins in there son before you spread a plate.These jokes wont last FURLONG...[/p][/quote]Steve, I had a really clever horse once. He even managed to make a bolt for the stable door. Oi Den!

10:14pm Sat 9 Feb 13

SimonPrice351 says...

Furlong?

He's about 50 surely - maybe good enough for the Pox ;)
Furlong? He's about 50 surely - maybe good enough for the Pox ;) SimonPrice351

11:40pm Sat 9 Feb 13

louiscassius says...

See ya Paolo!!!

Bye bye!!
See ya Paolo!!! Bye bye!! louiscassius

4:57pm Sun 10 Feb 13

stfc2012 says...

Jeremy Hilary Boob wrote:
Oi Den! wrote:
Jeremy Hilary Boob wrote:
Oi Den! wrote:
Jeremy Hilary Boob wrote:
madterrier wrote:
I just hope that the Adver will be able to find out from someone....

- Is the new consortium willing to sustain the operating losses, reckoned to be £100,000 a week, for this season and the next if needs be, to deliver Championship football?

- How will this money be pumped into the club (equity or loans?), and what financial guarantees will be in place to prevent the plug from being pulled suddenly as Black did last month? This links to the PL proposals to secure operating losses against owners' assets.

I'm not expecting answers to these questions, although in essence, this is what Paolo will have wanted to know in his meeting. Because the 'plan' he bought into effectively required the club to lose money for the next eighteen months in the quest for the Championship. Nearly £2 million from here to summer 2014.

If we don't sell out the CG tomorrow, at just £15 a ticket, it puts the financial problem into sharp focus.
But those losses are unsustainable though and maybe PDC needs to realise that.

Fitton's line about the FLC being worth £10m/year doesn't seem to stack up. The FL TV deal is £195m/3 years = £65m/year. So that's probably only £2-2.5m per FLC team.

We might get some more on sponsorship and commercial activities, but some of the deals will already be in place for next season and beyond. We've got no exec boxes or anything like that, so matchday corporate hospitality is limited.

We'd get more away fans and some more home fans, but the CG would be the smallest ground in the FLC (Peterboro's holds 15,460), so we'd be well behind every one else on gate receipts, plus all the knock-on income: programmes, concessions, etc. But 2000 more spectators x £20 x 23 games only equals £920k - we simply can't case in like Bradford could in the FL Cup.

Does that add up to £10m a season? Doesn't seem that likely.

Against all that we'd have higher wages and bringing in FLC players instead of FL1 ones means higher transfer fees, even if we can be targetting new players better than we have done. And if we go down, we'd need to have relegation clauses built into contracts or we'd be in a mess.

Unless the new board are prepared to fund at least a new Town End no later than summer 2014 so we can start generating more income, then the current "plan" cannot continue. Fans need to realise that, and so does Di Canio.
A couple of good posts that address the real issues facing the club.
.
I agree that the ground has to be dedeveloped soon if we harbour serious hopes of establishing ourselves at a higher level. If and when the new owners do get their feet under the table, I think one of the first things we need to hear from them is what, if anything, they intend to do about it. As much as I am grateful to the outgoing owners, I don't think they were straight with the supporters on their plans for redevelopment or about the obstacles that might be preventing them coming to fruition.

But, for all that, sometimes I wonder if the bottom line is that the Swindon area just doesn't contain enough real football fans (people who want to support a club in a practical sense, i.e. with money and voice) to sustain a football club playing at a decent level.
I think Swindon does, but it's tapping into that potential that's the problem.

Going to football is something you get into that becomes a habit. Not going is also something that is or becomes a habit. The Town's task is that turning the latter into the former.

It's all very well looking at the gates and thinking the CG is up to the job, but really it isn't. The gates vs Wigan and Villa have shown that more people will go and watch the Town, and some of those will continue to watch the Town. Neither of those (esp. Wigan) were particularly attractive, but there were more fans turning out and the Town put up good performances - exactly the sort of thing that gets people coming back for more.

I know it was a couple of rounds further on, but look how many Bradford got vs Villa. We'd have packed out the CG for a SF, but that's still only 14,000-ish. Bradford got 25,000. That's 10,000+ extra potential fans than Bradford can generate compared to Swindon. That's 10,000 extra seats that can give away to kids, use for cheap promotions or cash in when there's a big cup match or the team's doing well in the league.

One of the most depressing things about the Town in recent years is the amount of money that has been pumped into it simply to pay bills and players' wages. Not of it has benefited the club in the long term whatsoever - the £10m Black and co. spent would have paid for two end stands which would generate income in the longer run. Instead it was spent on agents' fees and paying off the likes of Magera and Kerrouche.
Agree with much of that but I think your logic falls down on the £10m. That was what they spent to clear existing debts when they came in. There was no option to spend it on the ground - unless they wanted to spend another £10m of course. I agree that vast amounts must have been spent on the playing side, but nowhere near £10m.
Thanks for the clarification.

But, ultimately, that £10m was still debt racked up by the club paying beyond it's means. It doesn't really matter whether that was racked up when Black and co were running it - they were prepared to invest £10m but all it did was pay off the club's bills (albeit from years earlier). One thing we should be grateful for is that apart from day-to-day debts like tax and VAT, the club now appears to be relatively debt free.

As for the current costs - there are posters claiming Ritchie was on £10k a week. I've heard that Magera was on £9k. £10k a week = £520,000 a year. At £20 a ticket, that's 1100 through the turnstile to pay for ONE player. Even if it's £5k a week that's still 550+ people every home game. Then there's the manager: Di Canio has to one of, if not THE, highest paid manager in the bottom 2 divisions. I don't blame anyone for taking that sort of money, but the club itself really can't sustain wages at this level - and those wages would rocket it we were in the FLC next season.

And all the above is at £20 a ticket. How many people have got season tickets and are paying less than £20 a match? What about all the kids and OAPs paying lower prices?
Your guess on Magera is around 30-35% inflated so I'd imagine the same if not slightly more inflated for Ritchie. Decent players cost decent money and although Magera didnt work out he is an international and was viewed as being a good piece of the jigsaw for STFC. You are right though, we are paying too much for certain players and those that we've paid off or can't shift out on loan don't help but it all boils down to signing them in the first place. To put in perspective Austin was initially offered around 8k a week when he signed for Burnley which at the time was a lot more than the players here then. The money we paid out while being in L2 was huge hence why many argue PDC couldn't really lose the title with that budget even if a lot of it was wasted on poor players, pay-offs and high wages.
[quote][p][bold]Jeremy Hilary Boob[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Oi Den![/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Jeremy Hilary Boob[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Oi Den![/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Jeremy Hilary Boob[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]madterrier[/bold] wrote: I just hope that the Adver will be able to find out from someone.... - Is the new consortium willing to sustain the operating losses, reckoned to be £100,000 a week, for this season and the next if needs be, to deliver Championship football? - How will this money be pumped into the club (equity or loans?), and what financial guarantees will be in place to prevent the plug from being pulled suddenly as Black did last month? This links to the PL proposals to secure operating losses against owners' assets. I'm not expecting answers to these questions, although in essence, this is what Paolo will have wanted to know in his meeting. Because the 'plan' he bought into effectively required the club to lose money for the next eighteen months in the quest for the Championship. Nearly £2 million from here to summer 2014. If we don't sell out the CG tomorrow, at just £15 a ticket, it puts the financial problem into sharp focus.[/p][/quote]But those losses are unsustainable though and maybe PDC needs to realise that. Fitton's line about the FLC being worth £10m/year doesn't seem to stack up. The FL TV deal is £195m/3 years = £65m/year. So that's probably only £2-2.5m per FLC team. We might get some more on sponsorship and commercial activities, but some of the deals will already be in place for next season and beyond. We've got no exec boxes or anything like that, so matchday corporate hospitality is limited. We'd get more away fans and some more home fans, but the CG would be the smallest ground in the FLC (Peterboro's holds 15,460), so we'd be well behind every one else on gate receipts, plus all the knock-on income: programmes, concessions, etc. But 2000 more spectators x £20 x 23 games only equals £920k - we simply can't case in like Bradford could in the FL Cup. Does that add up to £10m a season? Doesn't seem that likely. Against all that we'd have higher wages and bringing in FLC players instead of FL1 ones means higher transfer fees, even if we can be targetting new players better than we have done. And if we go down, we'd need to have relegation clauses built into contracts or we'd be in a mess. Unless the new board are prepared to fund at least a new Town End no later than summer 2014 so we can start generating more income, then the current "plan" cannot continue. Fans need to realise that, and so does Di Canio.[/p][/quote]A couple of good posts that address the real issues facing the club. . I agree that the ground has to be dedeveloped soon if we harbour serious hopes of establishing ourselves at a higher level. If and when the new owners do get their feet under the table, I think one of the first things we need to hear from them is what, if anything, they intend to do about it. As much as I am grateful to the outgoing owners, I don't think they were straight with the supporters on their plans for redevelopment or about the obstacles that might be preventing them coming to fruition. But, for all that, sometimes I wonder if the bottom line is that the Swindon area just doesn't contain enough real football fans (people who want to support a club in a practical sense, i.e. with money and voice) to sustain a football club playing at a decent level.[/p][/quote]I think Swindon does, but it's tapping into that potential that's the problem. Going to football is something you get into that becomes a habit. Not going is also something that is or becomes a habit. The Town's task is that turning the latter into the former. It's all very well looking at the gates and thinking the CG is up to the job, but really it isn't. The gates vs Wigan and Villa have shown that more people will go and watch the Town, and some of those will continue to watch the Town. Neither of those (esp. Wigan) were particularly attractive, but there were more fans turning out and the Town put up good performances - exactly the sort of thing that gets people coming back for more. I know it was a couple of rounds further on, but look how many Bradford got vs Villa. We'd have packed out the CG for a SF, but that's still only 14,000-ish. Bradford got 25,000. That's 10,000+ extra potential fans than Bradford can generate compared to Swindon. That's 10,000 extra seats that can give away to kids, use for cheap promotions or cash in when there's a big cup match or the team's doing well in the league. One of the most depressing things about the Town in recent years is the amount of money that has been pumped into it simply to pay bills and players' wages. Not of it has benefited the club in the long term whatsoever - the £10m Black and co. spent would have paid for two end stands which would generate income in the longer run. Instead it was spent on agents' fees and paying off the likes of Magera and Kerrouche.[/p][/quote]Agree with much of that but I think your logic falls down on the £10m. That was what they spent to clear existing debts when they came in. There was no option to spend it on the ground - unless they wanted to spend another £10m of course. I agree that vast amounts must have been spent on the playing side, but nowhere near £10m.[/p][/quote]Thanks for the clarification. But, ultimately, that £10m was still debt racked up by the club paying beyond it's means. It doesn't really matter whether that was racked up when Black and co were running it - they were prepared to invest £10m but all it did was pay off the club's bills (albeit from years earlier). One thing we should be grateful for is that apart from day-to-day debts like tax and VAT, the club now appears to be relatively debt free. As for the current costs - there are posters claiming Ritchie was on £10k a week. I've heard that Magera was on £9k. £10k a week = £520,000 a year. At £20 a ticket, that's 1100 through the turnstile to pay for ONE player. Even if it's £5k a week that's still 550+ people every home game. Then there's the manager: Di Canio has to one of, if not THE, highest paid manager in the bottom 2 divisions. I don't blame anyone for taking that sort of money, but the club itself really can't sustain wages at this level - and those wages would rocket it we were in the FLC next season. And all the above is at £20 a ticket. How many people have got season tickets and are paying less than £20 a match? What about all the kids and OAPs paying lower prices?[/p][/quote]Your guess on Magera is around 30-35% inflated so I'd imagine the same if not slightly more inflated for Ritchie. Decent players cost decent money and although Magera didnt work out he is an international and was viewed as being a good piece of the jigsaw for STFC. You are right though, we are paying too much for certain players and those that we've paid off or can't shift out on loan don't help but it all boils down to signing them in the first place. To put in perspective Austin was initially offered around 8k a week when he signed for Burnley which at the time was a lot more than the players here then. The money we paid out while being in L2 was huge hence why many argue PDC couldn't really lose the title with that budget even if a lot of it was wasted on poor players, pay-offs and high wages. stfc2012

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