SWINDON TOWN: Fans demand answers from club's new owners

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TRUST STFC have issued four questions they would like to see answered by the prospective new owners of Swindon Town, in the wake of manager Paolo Di Canio’s statement on Friday.

As exclusively revealed by the Advertiser last week, Di Canio is considering his position as manager at the County Ground following a series of events which left him feeling his position was untenable.

They included the sale of Matt Ritchie to Bournemouth, apparently without his knowledge, what he termed in his statement as several broken promises and even a breach of the terms of his contract.

Following his words, Trust STFC has sent their reaction to the Adver. In it they ask the incoming consortium, fronted by Banbury United owner Jed McCrory, to clear up the uncertainties surrounding the club’s future.

The statement reads: “The Supporters Trust is extremely concerned at Paolo Di Canio’s statement that he is considering his position. Paolo has been the principal reason for our club’s extraordinary success over the past 18 months and it is vital that he remains to finish the job he has started.

“We are grateful to the new owners for enabling the club to avoid administration following Andrew Black’s decision to divest himself of Swindon Town.

“In view of Paolo’s account of events in the past few days however the new owners owe it to the fans and indeed to Paolo urgently to clarify the following matters: l Who is currently running our club?

l What steps are the new owners taking to ensure that we retain the services of key members of the playing staff and the manager?

l Who are the members of the consortium who have bought the club?

l Do they still plan to take the club to Championship level in the time scale agreed by the previous board with the manager?

“We urge Mr McCrory to allay these concerns immediately.”

Answers may not be immediately forthcoming, however, as all the relevant parties involved in the takeover discussions are subject to a non-disclosure agreement which prevents them speaking publicly about the sale.

Once the deal has been approved by the Football League, which is expected to be later this week, the NDA will be lifted and fans should find out more about what is really going on in SN1.

Meanwhile, the soon-to-be ex-majority shareholder at Town, Andrew Black, took to Twitter on Saturday night to confirm his role in the sale of Matt Ritchie.

Black said: “Wow this is all pretty horrible. I can’t really say anything at the moment as the sale is still going through - I’ll say plenty later.

“I did sanction the sale of Ritchie. I blocked it the first time it came up but agreed to it later believing it had to happen.

“There’s obviously more to this but it’s complicated and best left until a later date. That’s all I’m saying.”

After Town’s 1-1 draw at Crawley on Saturday, Di Canio refused to comment about his future.

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6:21am Mon 4 Feb 13

oncearedalwaysared says...

Still very nervous about Paolo's position but reading between the lines it sounds as though Andrew Black didn't think the deal would go through either, leaving him to make the decision to sell Mattie rather than pump any more money in.

The fact Paolo is still here has to be a positive though. His Italian temperament could very easily have got the bettter of him.

I am convinced that the outpouring of love and affection from the fans, and what appears to be exactly the same from HIS players, has maybe just swayed him in favour of sticking with us. It maybe just until the end of the season because he feels he owes us that, but if by doing so he secures our promotion, and the new Board show some sensible commitment to his cause, we may, just may, keep him a little longer.

We can only hope and dream.

Paolo, please stay!
Still very nervous about Paolo's position but reading between the lines it sounds as though Andrew Black didn't think the deal would go through either, leaving him to make the decision to sell Mattie rather than pump any more money in. The fact Paolo is still here has to be a positive though. His Italian temperament could very easily have got the bettter of him. I am convinced that the outpouring of love and affection from the fans, and what appears to be exactly the same from HIS players, has maybe just swayed him in favour of sticking with us. It maybe just until the end of the season because he feels he owes us that, but if by doing so he secures our promotion, and the new Board show some sensible commitment to his cause, we may, just may, keep him a little longer. We can only hope and dream. Paolo, please stay! oncearedalwaysared
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6:29am Mon 4 Feb 13

bowralbob says...

Well we are not going to hear any "news" until the deal is agreed by the FL.
I just hope Paolo hangs around long enough to hear the plans for the future. It may well be he likes what he hears and is willing to be "the last man standing" that takes into the Championship. All the other so called "leaders" have long gone, or are about to do so.
Oh well I suppose this is a normal day in the life of a Swindon town supporter.

Good luck on Tuesday, come on you REDS.

Paolo see the job through until the end of the season please. We can make it to the Championship with YOUR leadership. I doubt we will without you being there.
Well we are not going to hear any "news" until the deal is agreed by the FL. I just hope Paolo hangs around long enough to hear the plans for the future. It may well be he likes what he hears and is willing to be "the last man standing" that takes into the Championship. All the other so called "leaders" have long gone, or are about to do so. Oh well I suppose this is a normal day in the life of a Swindon town supporter. Good luck on Tuesday, come on you REDS. Paolo see the job through until the end of the season please. We can make it to the Championship with YOUR leadership. I doubt we will without you being there. bowralbob
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6:41am Mon 4 Feb 13

DarrenSTFCRomain says...

Mr Black is still incharge at STFC..
Mr Black SOLD MR and he also said that EVERY PLAYER was up for sale...

The new board dont have a say in anything until the FL say yes the deal can go a head..

So the fans will get answers from the new board when they TAKE OVER STFC..
Mr Black is still incharge at STFC.. Mr Black SOLD MR and he also said that EVERY PLAYER was up for sale... The new board dont have a say in anything until the FL say yes the deal can go a head.. So the fans will get answers from the new board when they TAKE OVER STFC.. DarrenSTFCRomain
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7:13am Mon 4 Feb 13

STFC91 says...

" Paolo has been the principal reason for our club’s extraordinary success over the past 18 months and it is vital that he remains to finish the job he has started."
Read that over and over new owners and realise he's the man for the job, he's the one with success in his head,heart and for this club! Once a red forever a red! Paolos red and white army shall live on to fight another day to get into the championship and beyond!
" Paolo has been the principal reason for our club’s extraordinary success over the past 18 months and it is vital that he remains to finish the job he has started." Read that over and over new owners and realise he's the man for the job, he's the one with success in his head,heart and for this club! Once a red forever a red! Paolos red and white army shall live on to fight another day to get into the championship and beyond! STFC91
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7:14am Mon 4 Feb 13

KojaktheWarg says...

Great Banner on the photo. Well done. Keep up the love!
Great Banner on the photo. Well done. Keep up the love! KojaktheWarg
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8:05am Mon 4 Feb 13

who am i says...

Simples. If the new owners want to own a championship club then it's going to cost them and Dicanio is the person that might achieve it, you only have to look at his win percentage 58% I think I right in saying. If on the other hand the new owners want to own a league 2 or possibly league 1 club then they can be like fitton and run it on a shoestring but running it on a shoestring comes with a shoestring support. Over to you jed. One things for sure if Dicanio walks its because the owners have gone down the league two route and I for one will not be renewing my season ticket as I suspect quite a few will do the same.
Simples. If the new owners want to own a championship club then it's going to cost them and Dicanio is the person that might achieve it, you only have to look at his win percentage 58% I think I right in saying. If on the other hand the new owners want to own a league 2 or possibly league 1 club then they can be like fitton and run it on a shoestring but running it on a shoestring comes with a shoestring support. Over to you jed. One things for sure if Dicanio walks its because the owners have gone down the league two route and I for one will not be renewing my season ticket as I suspect quite a few will do the same. who am i
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8:11am Mon 4 Feb 13

peatmoor pirate says...

who am i wrote:
Simples. If the new owners want to own a championship club then it's going to cost them and Dicanio is the person that might achieve it, you only have to look at his win percentage 58% I think I right in saying. If on the other hand the new owners want to own a league 2 or possibly league 1 club then they can be like fitton and run it on a shoestring but running it on a shoestring comes with a shoestring support. Over to you jed. One things for sure if Dicanio walks its because the owners have gone down the league two route and I for one will not be renewing my season ticket as I suspect quite a few will do the same.
Whilst I am as anxious as anyone about what the fuure holds, I feel I have to say that some people seem to have forgotten that if it were not for Andrew Fitton et al, we would be supporting a club somewhere in the midde regions of Non-League football (or at least some of us would) as we were 24 hours from going bust when they took over. I for one will aways thank them for what they did for the club; i.e. saving it.
[quote][p][bold]who am i[/bold] wrote: Simples. If the new owners want to own a championship club then it's going to cost them and Dicanio is the person that might achieve it, you only have to look at his win percentage 58% I think I right in saying. If on the other hand the new owners want to own a league 2 or possibly league 1 club then they can be like fitton and run it on a shoestring but running it on a shoestring comes with a shoestring support. Over to you jed. One things for sure if Dicanio walks its because the owners have gone down the league two route and I for one will not be renewing my season ticket as I suspect quite a few will do the same.[/p][/quote]Whilst I am as anxious as anyone about what the fuure holds, I feel I have to say that some people seem to have forgotten that if it were not for Andrew Fitton et al, we would be supporting a club somewhere in the midde regions of Non-League football (or at least some of us would) as we were 24 hours from going bust when they took over. I for one will aways thank them for what they did for the club; i.e. saving it. peatmoor pirate
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8:14am Mon 4 Feb 13

NewburyRobin says...

Dear Sam Moreshead please get us some real news.
We would all love to know the same answers as the Trust STFC.
I'm sure Mr Black & Mr McCrory would love to issue statements as much as we would like to hear from them, but the last seven paragraphs of your story is the only part that is relevant.
Loved seeing my seven year old grandson in the picture at Crawley just above the Paolo Stay banner though.
Dear Sam Moreshead please get us some real news. We would all love to know the same answers as the Trust STFC. I'm sure Mr Black & Mr McCrory would love to issue statements as much as we would like to hear from them, but the last seven paragraphs of your story is the only part that is relevant. Loved seeing my seven year old grandson in the picture at Crawley just above the Paolo Stay banner though. NewburyRobin
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8:18am Mon 4 Feb 13

NewburyRobin says...

Apologies for the incorrect spelling of you name Mr Morshead.
Apologies for the incorrect spelling of you name Mr Morshead. NewburyRobin
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8:20am Mon 4 Feb 13

wiki27 says...

Sadly, PDCs body language at the end of the Crawlies game seemed to tell me he has made his decision and that he will leave. A huge shame and I would not blame him. I am an optimist, but in this case I feel I may be right. Hopefully, PDC will prove me wrong.....
Sadly, PDCs body language at the end of the Crawlies game seemed to tell me he has made his decision and that he will leave. A huge shame and I would not blame him. I am an optimist, but in this case I feel I may be right. Hopefully, PDC will prove me wrong..... wiki27
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8:37am Mon 4 Feb 13

Stratton Red says...

Just had a look at Trust STFC website and absolutley nothing in there that inspires me to join which is a real shame. Anyone know much about them?
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Who am I? - The Championship is allegedly worth £20-25 mill so even if we balanced the books this is still a much improved budget. AFs philosophy of balancing the books in L1 and L2 is much harder and the reality is we end up with the team the 7,000 fans week in week out pay for, there lies the issue...
Just had a look at Trust STFC website and absolutley nothing in there that inspires me to join which is a real shame. Anyone know much about them? * Who am I? - The Championship is allegedly worth £20-25 mill so even if we balanced the books this is still a much improved budget. AFs philosophy of balancing the books in L1 and L2 is much harder and the reality is we end up with the team the 7,000 fans week in week out pay for, there lies the issue... Stratton Red
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8:43am Mon 4 Feb 13

Robinonfire says...

Always look on the bright side.
Always look on the bright side. Robinonfire
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8:43am Mon 4 Feb 13

SAPFanSTFC says...

who am i wrote:
Simples. If the new owners want to own a championship club then it's going to cost them and Dicanio is the person that might achieve it, you only have to look at his win percentage 58% I think I right in saying. If on the other hand the new owners want to own a league 2 or possibly league 1 club then they can be like fitton and run it on a shoestring but running it on a shoestring comes with a shoestring support. Over to you jed. One things for sure if Dicanio walks its because the owners have gone down the league two route and I for one will not be renewing my season ticket as I suspect quite a few will do the same.
Agreed re: the signalling of a lack of ambition but it is always a fine line between ambition and ruin when things go wrong.
...
We've obviously been spending big but the fact that we were within the revised planned budget does signify that some believed it to be sustainable.
...
Get to the Championship and we can then look to consolidate but we don't want to be in League 1 when the expected Premier extension to two leagues happens as the money would widen the gap between the League 1 and the Championship...a gap which we may never be able to close.....back to the old perpetual Division 3 existence with little hope of promotion.
[quote][p][bold]who am i[/bold] wrote: Simples. If the new owners want to own a championship club then it's going to cost them and Dicanio is the person that might achieve it, you only have to look at his win percentage 58% I think I right in saying. If on the other hand the new owners want to own a league 2 or possibly league 1 club then they can be like fitton and run it on a shoestring but running it on a shoestring comes with a shoestring support. Over to you jed. One things for sure if Dicanio walks its because the owners have gone down the league two route and I for one will not be renewing my season ticket as I suspect quite a few will do the same.[/p][/quote]Agreed re: the signalling of a lack of ambition but it is always a fine line between ambition and ruin when things go wrong. ... We've obviously been spending big but the fact that we were within the revised planned budget does signify that some believed it to be sustainable. ... Get to the Championship and we can then look to consolidate but we don't want to be in League 1 when the expected Premier extension to two leagues happens as the money would widen the gap between the League 1 and the Championship...a gap which we may never be able to close.....back to the old perpetual Division 3 existence with little hope of promotion. SAPFanSTFC
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8:50am Mon 4 Feb 13

LeGod says...

why do i get the feeling that Hartlepool home this saturday will be his last game so he can say his farewell to the fans.

Just have that feeling because by then he will know what the new owners want and if they dont fit in with his plans then he's off.

Just seems to me a bit of a shotgun sale as normally they take way longer to negotiate than has happenned here.

I hope i'm totally wrong in what im thinking but i think there is alot more to this fiasco than we know especially after AB twitter over the weekend.

Nervy week i feel.
why do i get the feeling that Hartlepool home this saturday will be his last game so he can say his farewell to the fans. Just have that feeling because by then he will know what the new owners want and if they dont fit in with his plans then he's off. Just seems to me a bit of a shotgun sale as normally they take way longer to negotiate than has happenned here. I hope i'm totally wrong in what im thinking but i think there is alot more to this fiasco than we know especially after AB twitter over the weekend. Nervy week i feel. LeGod
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8:54am Mon 4 Feb 13

Since 1950 says...

who am i wrote:
Simples. If the new owners want to own a championship club then it's going to cost them and Dicanio is the person that might achieve it, you only have to look at his win percentage 58% I think I right in saying. If on the other hand the new owners want to own a league 2 or possibly league 1 club then they can be like fitton and run it on a shoestring but running it on a shoestring comes with a shoestring support. Over to you jed. One things for sure if Dicanio walks its because the owners have gone down the league two route and I for one will not be renewing my season ticket as I suspect quite a few will do the same.
'who am I'.

You are correct. IF they want a Championship Club it IS going to cost them.

My fear is that in relative terms they are 'potless' and that this deal was a panic one done on the cheap.

If they had money enough to get us to the Championship they would have stumped up some front money so we could keep Matt Ritchie. The fact that they sold him for about a third of his value and that they let him go to one of our closest promotion rivals confirms my fears.

As for communication. Surely a joint statement could have been issued by both parties just to calm the waters. Unless of course the deal has gone sour already and that there is little communication between the parties. Another worry.

There are so many worrying sides to this whole thing, which started with the sudden and unexpected departure of JW that you could write a text book on how sales/take overs should not be handled!
[quote][p][bold]who am i[/bold] wrote: Simples. If the new owners want to own a championship club then it's going to cost them and Dicanio is the person that might achieve it, you only have to look at his win percentage 58% I think I right in saying. If on the other hand the new owners want to own a league 2 or possibly league 1 club then they can be like fitton and run it on a shoestring but running it on a shoestring comes with a shoestring support. Over to you jed. One things for sure if Dicanio walks its because the owners have gone down the league two route and I for one will not be renewing my season ticket as I suspect quite a few will do the same.[/p][/quote]'who am I'. You are correct. IF they want a Championship Club it IS going to cost them. My fear is that in relative terms they are 'potless' and that this deal was a panic one done on the cheap. If they had money enough to get us to the Championship they would have stumped up some front money so we could keep Matt Ritchie. The fact that they sold him for about a third of his value and that they let him go to one of our closest promotion rivals confirms my fears. As for communication. Surely a joint statement could have been issued by both parties just to calm the waters. Unless of course the deal has gone sour already and that there is little communication between the parties. Another worry. There are so many worrying sides to this whole thing, which started with the sudden and unexpected departure of JW that you could write a text book on how sales/take overs should not be handled! Since 1950
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8:58am Mon 4 Feb 13

who am i says...

peatmoor pirate wrote:
who am i wrote: Simples. If the new owners want to own a championship club then it's going to cost them and Dicanio is the person that might achieve it, you only have to look at his win percentage 58% I think I right in saying. If on the other hand the new owners want to own a league 2 or possibly league 1 club then they can be like fitton and run it on a shoestring but running it on a shoestring comes with a shoestring support. Over to you jed. One things for sure if Dicanio walks its because the owners have gone down the league two route and I for one will not be renewing my season ticket as I suspect quite a few will do the same.
Whilst I am as anxious as anyone about what the fuure holds, I feel I have to say that some people seem to have forgotten that if it were not for Andrew Fitton et al, we would be supporting a club somewhere in the midde regions of Non-League football (or at least some of us would) as we were 24 hours from going bust when they took over. I for one will aways thank them for what they did for the club; i.e. saving it.
I am not for one minute having a go at fitton as I'm not stupid I knew where we were and where we were going if he hasn't taken over I just use his choice as an example. I was not the one who said we want championship football it was black and so say the new owners. Don't promise something and then shaft the manager when we are so close. After all didn't wray say at the start of the season if you want championship football then the season ticket price must reflect this. I and like I suspect most season ticket holders brought into this and renewed n
[quote][p][bold]peatmoor pirate[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]who am i[/bold] wrote: Simples. If the new owners want to own a championship club then it's going to cost them and Dicanio is the person that might achieve it, you only have to look at his win percentage 58% I think I right in saying. If on the other hand the new owners want to own a league 2 or possibly league 1 club then they can be like fitton and run it on a shoestring but running it on a shoestring comes with a shoestring support. Over to you jed. One things for sure if Dicanio walks its because the owners have gone down the league two route and I for one will not be renewing my season ticket as I suspect quite a few will do the same.[/p][/quote]Whilst I am as anxious as anyone about what the fuure holds, I feel I have to say that some people seem to have forgotten that if it were not for Andrew Fitton et al, we would be supporting a club somewhere in the midde regions of Non-League football (or at least some of us would) as we were 24 hours from going bust when they took over. I for one will aways thank them for what they did for the club; i.e. saving it.[/p][/quote]I am not for one minute having a go at fitton as I'm not stupid I knew where we were and where we were going if he hasn't taken over I just use his choice as an example. I was not the one who said we want championship football it was black and so say the new owners. Don't promise something and then shaft the manager when we are so close. After all didn't wray say at the start of the season if you want championship football then the season ticket price must reflect this. I and like I suspect most season ticket holders brought into this and renewed n who am i
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9:02am Mon 4 Feb 13

Since 1950 says...

SAPFanSTFC wrote:
who am i wrote: Simples. If the new owners want to own a championship club then it's going to cost them and Dicanio is the person that might achieve it, you only have to look at his win percentage 58% I think I right in saying. If on the other hand the new owners want to own a league 2 or possibly league 1 club then they can be like fitton and run it on a shoestring but running it on a shoestring comes with a shoestring support. Over to you jed. One things for sure if Dicanio walks its because the owners have gone down the league two route and I for one will not be renewing my season ticket as I suspect quite a few will do the same.
Agreed re: the signalling of a lack of ambition but it is always a fine line between ambition and ruin when things go wrong. ... We've obviously been spending big but the fact that we were within the revised planned budget does signify that some believed it to be sustainable. ... Get to the Championship and we can then look to consolidate but we don't want to be in League 1 when the expected Premier extension to two leagues happens as the money would widen the gap between the League 1 and the Championship...a gap which we may never be able to close.....back to the old perpetual Division 3 existence with little hope of promotion.
Morning SAP.

Not so long ago it was the boards stated intention to get to the Championship "as a matter of survival".

This was in antisipation of the Prem becoming two leagues. Prem 1 and Prem 2. I think they said that the prem leagues would then pull up the ladder and clibs outside would die on the vine.
[quote][p][bold]SAPFanSTFC[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]who am i[/bold] wrote: Simples. If the new owners want to own a championship club then it's going to cost them and Dicanio is the person that might achieve it, you only have to look at his win percentage 58% I think I right in saying. If on the other hand the new owners want to own a league 2 or possibly league 1 club then they can be like fitton and run it on a shoestring but running it on a shoestring comes with a shoestring support. Over to you jed. One things for sure if Dicanio walks its because the owners have gone down the league two route and I for one will not be renewing my season ticket as I suspect quite a few will do the same.[/p][/quote]Agreed re: the signalling of a lack of ambition but it is always a fine line between ambition and ruin when things go wrong. ... We've obviously been spending big but the fact that we were within the revised planned budget does signify that some believed it to be sustainable. ... Get to the Championship and we can then look to consolidate but we don't want to be in League 1 when the expected Premier extension to two leagues happens as the money would widen the gap between the League 1 and the Championship...a gap which we may never be able to close.....back to the old perpetual Division 3 existence with little hope of promotion.[/p][/quote]Morning SAP. Not so long ago it was the boards stated intention to get to the Championship "as a matter of survival". This was in antisipation of the Prem becoming two leagues. Prem 1 and Prem 2. I think they said that the prem leagues would then pull up the ladder and clibs outside would die on the vine. Since 1950
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9:02am Mon 4 Feb 13

SAPFanSTFC says...

Since 1950 wrote:
who am i wrote:
Simples. If the new owners want to own a championship club then it's going to cost them and Dicanio is the person that might achieve it, you only have to look at his win percentage 58% I think I right in saying. If on the other hand the new owners want to own a league 2 or possibly league 1 club then they can be like fitton and run it on a shoestring but running it on a shoestring comes with a shoestring support. Over to you jed. One things for sure if Dicanio walks its because the owners have gone down the league two route and I for one will not be renewing my season ticket as I suspect quite a few will do the same.
'who am I'.

You are correct. IF they want a Championship Club it IS going to cost them.

My fear is that in relative terms they are 'potless' and that this deal was a panic one done on the cheap.

If they had money enough to get us to the Championship they would have stumped up some front money so we could keep Matt Ritchie. The fact that they sold him for about a third of his value and that they let him go to one of our closest promotion rivals confirms my fears.

As for communication. Surely a joint statement could have been issued by both parties just to calm the waters. Unless of course the deal has gone sour already and that there is little communication between the parties. Another worry.

There are so many worrying sides to this whole thing, which started with the sudden and unexpected departure of JW that you could write a text book on how sales/take overs should not be handled!
....but why would you stump up money if you didn't own the club....tantamount to throwing it all down the drain?
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In short they were asked to put in £400-500,000 without being sure that a deal could be done with Black (negotiations were ongoing at the time the MR sale was agreed) and nor was the club sale approved with new owners.
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Had either negotiations failed or football league approval failed then the club would have gone into admin (which may yet happen although I'm in the optimistic camp on this on) and they would have lost their money - not good business sense despite the pains of what may follow.
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I think we all need to wait and see what comes from both old and new owners but it's clear Black had had enough of investing and the new owners have yet to disclose their make-up.
[quote][p][bold]Since 1950[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]who am i[/bold] wrote: Simples. If the new owners want to own a championship club then it's going to cost them and Dicanio is the person that might achieve it, you only have to look at his win percentage 58% I think I right in saying. If on the other hand the new owners want to own a league 2 or possibly league 1 club then they can be like fitton and run it on a shoestring but running it on a shoestring comes with a shoestring support. Over to you jed. One things for sure if Dicanio walks its because the owners have gone down the league two route and I for one will not be renewing my season ticket as I suspect quite a few will do the same.[/p][/quote]'who am I'. You are correct. IF they want a Championship Club it IS going to cost them. My fear is that in relative terms they are 'potless' and that this deal was a panic one done on the cheap. If they had money enough to get us to the Championship they would have stumped up some front money so we could keep Matt Ritchie. The fact that they sold him for about a third of his value and that they let him go to one of our closest promotion rivals confirms my fears. As for communication. Surely a joint statement could have been issued by both parties just to calm the waters. Unless of course the deal has gone sour already and that there is little communication between the parties. Another worry. There are so many worrying sides to this whole thing, which started with the sudden and unexpected departure of JW that you could write a text book on how sales/take overs should not be handled![/p][/quote]....but why would you stump up money if you didn't own the club....tantamount to throwing it all down the drain? - In short they were asked to put in £400-500,000 without being sure that a deal could be done with Black (negotiations were ongoing at the time the MR sale was agreed) and nor was the club sale approved with new owners. .. Had either negotiations failed or football league approval failed then the club would have gone into admin (which may yet happen although I'm in the optimistic camp on this on) and they would have lost their money - not good business sense despite the pains of what may follow. --- I think we all need to wait and see what comes from both old and new owners but it's clear Black had had enough of investing and the new owners have yet to disclose their make-up. SAPFanSTFC
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9:03am Mon 4 Feb 13

ciclosporindorset says...

I fail to see how the new owners - or 0ld ones - can say anything until the deal is done. Pointless the trust demanding anything frankly. No point blaming Black - he was the hero 5 years ago - when he had a 5 year plan - it was 2008 was it not? The sale of Ritchie and all the other players would have been a negotiation tactic to get the deal done by the end of January - maybe it dragged on too long and perilously close to the end of the transfer window when that leverage would have been lost. Either way - no point blaming anyone - all is fair in business when it comes to big bucks! I also expect that the new potential owners would have had it explained to them about the deadline hence their implied involvement in the decision to sell Ritchie. ie it was linked to the timing of the deal. Look - I know bugger all about any of this but if I were doing the negotiating - that is exactly what I would have done!
I fail to see how the new owners - or 0ld ones - can say anything until the deal is done. Pointless the trust demanding anything frankly. No point blaming Black - he was the hero 5 years ago - when he had a 5 year plan - it was 2008 was it not? The sale of Ritchie and all the other players would have been a negotiation tactic to get the deal done by the end of January - maybe it dragged on too long and perilously close to the end of the transfer window when that leverage would have been lost. Either way - no point blaming anyone - all is fair in business when it comes to big bucks! I also expect that the new potential owners would have had it explained to them about the deadline hence their implied involvement in the decision to sell Ritchie. ie it was linked to the timing of the deal. Look - I know bugger all about any of this but if I were doing the negotiating - that is exactly what I would have done! ciclosporindorset
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9:04am Mon 4 Feb 13

SAPFanSTFC says...

Sorry Morning!! :-)
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How's you?....all a bit too much in the dark - not a nice feeling given all of our nervous dispositions! :-)
Sorry Morning!! :-) .... How's you?....all a bit too much in the dark - not a nice feeling given all of our nervous dispositions! :-) SAPFanSTFC
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9:05am Mon 4 Feb 13

ciclosporindorset says...

btw - in negotiating very important to remove emotions from the situation. Hence Patey!
btw - in negotiating very important to remove emotions from the situation. Hence Patey! ciclosporindorset
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9:08am Mon 4 Feb 13

RamsburyRed says...

Stratton Red wrote:
Just had a look at Trust STFC website and absolutley nothing in there that inspires me to join which is a real shame. Anyone know much about them? * Who am I? - The Championship is allegedly worth £20-25 mill so even if we balanced the books this is still a much improved budget. AFs philosophy of balancing the books in L1 and L2 is much harder and the reality is we end up with the team the 7,000 fans week in week out pay for, there lies the issue...
The Championship is certainly not worth £20-£25m I have no idea where people get these figures from. It's only the parachute payment ex-Prem clubs get that boosts the income of some Championship clubs.
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There is an increase in tv money of about £2m, and increased revenue from bigger gates. No way will we get an income anywhere near £20m.
[quote][p][bold]Stratton Red[/bold] wrote: Just had a look at Trust STFC website and absolutley nothing in there that inspires me to join which is a real shame. Anyone know much about them? * Who am I? - The Championship is allegedly worth £20-25 mill so even if we balanced the books this is still a much improved budget. AFs philosophy of balancing the books in L1 and L2 is much harder and the reality is we end up with the team the 7,000 fans week in week out pay for, there lies the issue...[/p][/quote]The Championship is certainly not worth £20-£25m I have no idea where people get these figures from. It's only the parachute payment ex-Prem clubs get that boosts the income of some Championship clubs. * There is an increase in tv money of about £2m, and increased revenue from bigger gates. No way will we get an income anywhere near £20m. RamsburyRed
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9:16am Mon 4 Feb 13

Since 1950 says...

SAPFanSTFC wrote:
Since 1950 wrote:
who am i wrote: Simples. If the new owners want to own a championship club then it's going to cost them and Dicanio is the person that might achieve it, you only have to look at his win percentage 58% I think I right in saying. If on the other hand the new owners want to own a league 2 or possibly league 1 club then they can be like fitton and run it on a shoestring but running it on a shoestring comes with a shoestring support. Over to you jed. One things for sure if Dicanio walks its because the owners have gone down the league two route and I for one will not be renewing my season ticket as I suspect quite a few will do the same.
'who am I'. You are correct. IF they want a Championship Club it IS going to cost them. My fear is that in relative terms they are 'potless' and that this deal was a panic one done on the cheap. If they had money enough to get us to the Championship they would have stumped up some front money so we could keep Matt Ritchie. The fact that they sold him for about a third of his value and that they let him go to one of our closest promotion rivals confirms my fears. As for communication. Surely a joint statement could have been issued by both parties just to calm the waters. Unless of course the deal has gone sour already and that there is little communication between the parties. Another worry. There are so many worrying sides to this whole thing, which started with the sudden and unexpected departure of JW that you could write a text book on how sales/take overs should not be handled!
....but why would you stump up money if you didn't own the club....tantamount to throwing it all down the drain? - In short they were asked to put in £400-500,000 without being sure that a deal could be done with Black (negotiations were ongoing at the time the MR sale was agreed) and nor was the club sale approved with new owners. .. Had either negotiations failed or football league approval failed then the club would have gone into admin (which may yet happen although I'm in the optimistic camp on this on) and they would have lost their money - not good business sense despite the pains of what may follow. --- I think we all need to wait and see what comes from both old and new owners but it's clear Black had had enough of investing and the new owners have yet to disclose their make-up.
SAP

The answer would be to protect that future investment. Sure, it would have been a gamble but it would have got the manager, squad and fans on side. What cost to repairing that damage - if it can be?

Maybe they are not confident that the sale will go through so didn't want to risk the capital. If that comes to pass we're all in 'le pomms frit'.
[quote][p][bold]SAPFanSTFC[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Since 1950[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]who am i[/bold] wrote: Simples. If the new owners want to own a championship club then it's going to cost them and Dicanio is the person that might achieve it, you only have to look at his win percentage 58% I think I right in saying. If on the other hand the new owners want to own a league 2 or possibly league 1 club then they can be like fitton and run it on a shoestring but running it on a shoestring comes with a shoestring support. Over to you jed. One things for sure if Dicanio walks its because the owners have gone down the league two route and I for one will not be renewing my season ticket as I suspect quite a few will do the same.[/p][/quote]'who am I'. You are correct. IF they want a Championship Club it IS going to cost them. My fear is that in relative terms they are 'potless' and that this deal was a panic one done on the cheap. If they had money enough to get us to the Championship they would have stumped up some front money so we could keep Matt Ritchie. The fact that they sold him for about a third of his value and that they let him go to one of our closest promotion rivals confirms my fears. As for communication. Surely a joint statement could have been issued by both parties just to calm the waters. Unless of course the deal has gone sour already and that there is little communication between the parties. Another worry. There are so many worrying sides to this whole thing, which started with the sudden and unexpected departure of JW that you could write a text book on how sales/take overs should not be handled![/p][/quote]....but why would you stump up money if you didn't own the club....tantamount to throwing it all down the drain? - In short they were asked to put in £400-500,000 without being sure that a deal could be done with Black (negotiations were ongoing at the time the MR sale was agreed) and nor was the club sale approved with new owners. .. Had either negotiations failed or football league approval failed then the club would have gone into admin (which may yet happen although I'm in the optimistic camp on this on) and they would have lost their money - not good business sense despite the pains of what may follow. --- I think we all need to wait and see what comes from both old and new owners but it's clear Black had had enough of investing and the new owners have yet to disclose their make-up.[/p][/quote]SAP The answer would be to protect that future investment. Sure, it would have been a gamble but it would have got the manager, squad and fans on side. What cost to repairing that damage - if it can be? Maybe they are not confident that the sale will go through so didn't want to risk the capital. If that comes to pass we're all in 'le pomms frit'. Since 1950
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9:23am Mon 4 Feb 13

Davidsyrett says...

RamsburyRed wrote:
Stratton Red wrote:
Just had a look at Trust STFC website and absolutley nothing in there that inspires me to join which is a real shame. Anyone know much about them? * Who am I? - The Championship is allegedly worth £20-25 mill so even if we balanced the books this is still a much improved budget. AFs philosophy of balancing the books in L1 and L2 is much harder and the reality is we end up with the team the 7,000 fans week in week out pay for, there lies the issue...
The Championship is certainly not worth £20-£25m I have no idea where people get these figures from. It's only the parachute payment ex-Prem clubs get that boosts the income of some Championship clubs.
*
There is an increase in tv money of about £2m, and increased revenue from bigger gates. No way will we get an income anywhere near £20m.
Don't also forget that the championship means increased wages and bonuses for promotion, Higher transfer fees for bringing payers in.

My fear is AB realised that promotion would mean even bigger losses for the club.

To break even this season we would have had to have filled the CG for nearly every home game, There's absolutely no way we will break even on the championship next season unless we find extra outside revenue or the new board have deep pockets.

I have a feeling PdC knows that as well and unless he gets assurances from the board, I feel that he will say his fairwells at the Hartlepool game. I really don't feel he will have the drive to carry on if he cant fulfill his ambitions.
[quote][p][bold]RamsburyRed[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Stratton Red[/bold] wrote: Just had a look at Trust STFC website and absolutley nothing in there that inspires me to join which is a real shame. Anyone know much about them? * Who am I? - The Championship is allegedly worth £20-25 mill so even if we balanced the books this is still a much improved budget. AFs philosophy of balancing the books in L1 and L2 is much harder and the reality is we end up with the team the 7,000 fans week in week out pay for, there lies the issue...[/p][/quote]The Championship is certainly not worth £20-£25m I have no idea where people get these figures from. It's only the parachute payment ex-Prem clubs get that boosts the income of some Championship clubs. * There is an increase in tv money of about £2m, and increased revenue from bigger gates. No way will we get an income anywhere near £20m.[/p][/quote]Don't also forget that the championship means increased wages and bonuses for promotion, Higher transfer fees for bringing payers in. My fear is AB realised that promotion would mean even bigger losses for the club. To break even this season we would have had to have filled the CG for nearly every home game, There's absolutely no way we will break even on the championship next season unless we find extra outside revenue or the new board have deep pockets. I have a feeling PdC knows that as well and unless he gets assurances from the board, I feel that he will say his fairwells at the Hartlepool game. I really don't feel he will have the drive to carry on if he cant fulfill his ambitions. Davidsyrett
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9:25am Mon 4 Feb 13

SAPFanSTFC says...

Since 1950 wrote:
SAPFanSTFC wrote:
Since 1950 wrote:
who am i wrote: Simples. If the new owners want to own a championship club then it's going to cost them and Dicanio is the person that might achieve it, you only have to look at his win percentage 58% I think I right in saying. If on the other hand the new owners want to own a league 2 or possibly league 1 club then they can be like fitton and run it on a shoestring but running it on a shoestring comes with a shoestring support. Over to you jed. One things for sure if Dicanio walks its because the owners have gone down the league two route and I for one will not be renewing my season ticket as I suspect quite a few will do the same.
'who am I'. You are correct. IF they want a Championship Club it IS going to cost them. My fear is that in relative terms they are 'potless' and that this deal was a panic one done on the cheap. If they had money enough to get us to the Championship they would have stumped up some front money so we could keep Matt Ritchie. The fact that they sold him for about a third of his value and that they let him go to one of our closest promotion rivals confirms my fears. As for communication. Surely a joint statement could have been issued by both parties just to calm the waters. Unless of course the deal has gone sour already and that there is little communication between the parties. Another worry. There are so many worrying sides to this whole thing, which started with the sudden and unexpected departure of JW that you could write a text book on how sales/take overs should not be handled!
....but why would you stump up money if you didn't own the club....tantamount to throwing it all down the drain? - In short they were asked to put in £400-500,000 without being sure that a deal could be done with Black (negotiations were ongoing at the time the MR sale was agreed) and nor was the club sale approved with new owners. .. Had either negotiations failed or football league approval failed then the club would have gone into admin (which may yet happen although I'm in the optimistic camp on this on) and they would have lost their money - not good business sense despite the pains of what may follow. --- I think we all need to wait and see what comes from both old and new owners but it's clear Black had had enough of investing and the new owners have yet to disclose their make-up.
SAP

The answer would be to protect that future investment. Sure, it would have been a gamble but it would have got the manager, squad and fans on side. What cost to repairing that damage - if it can be?

Maybe they are not confident that the sale will go through so didn't want to risk the capital. If that comes to pass we're all in 'le pomms frit'.
Just wondered about it myself yesterday and thought that depending upon discussions it could have been a step too far.....difficult choice.
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They could and did support the loan signings as they wouldn't have to pay any cash up front but merely agree to the expenditure on wages - by which time they woud be safely in or the club in admin.
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...yep have to agree on the last point as I'm still really nervy about whether they will be sanctioned by the Football League.
[quote][p][bold]Since 1950[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SAPFanSTFC[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Since 1950[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]who am i[/bold] wrote: Simples. If the new owners want to own a championship club then it's going to cost them and Dicanio is the person that might achieve it, you only have to look at his win percentage 58% I think I right in saying. If on the other hand the new owners want to own a league 2 or possibly league 1 club then they can be like fitton and run it on a shoestring but running it on a shoestring comes with a shoestring support. Over to you jed. One things for sure if Dicanio walks its because the owners have gone down the league two route and I for one will not be renewing my season ticket as I suspect quite a few will do the same.[/p][/quote]'who am I'. You are correct. IF they want a Championship Club it IS going to cost them. My fear is that in relative terms they are 'potless' and that this deal was a panic one done on the cheap. If they had money enough to get us to the Championship they would have stumped up some front money so we could keep Matt Ritchie. The fact that they sold him for about a third of his value and that they let him go to one of our closest promotion rivals confirms my fears. As for communication. Surely a joint statement could have been issued by both parties just to calm the waters. Unless of course the deal has gone sour already and that there is little communication between the parties. Another worry. There are so many worrying sides to this whole thing, which started with the sudden and unexpected departure of JW that you could write a text book on how sales/take overs should not be handled![/p][/quote]....but why would you stump up money if you didn't own the club....tantamount to throwing it all down the drain? - In short they were asked to put in £400-500,000 without being sure that a deal could be done with Black (negotiations were ongoing at the time the MR sale was agreed) and nor was the club sale approved with new owners. .. Had either negotiations failed or football league approval failed then the club would have gone into admin (which may yet happen although I'm in the optimistic camp on this on) and they would have lost their money - not good business sense despite the pains of what may follow. --- I think we all need to wait and see what comes from both old and new owners but it's clear Black had had enough of investing and the new owners have yet to disclose their make-up.[/p][/quote]SAP The answer would be to protect that future investment. Sure, it would have been a gamble but it would have got the manager, squad and fans on side. What cost to repairing that damage - if it can be? Maybe they are not confident that the sale will go through so didn't want to risk the capital. If that comes to pass we're all in 'le pomms frit'.[/p][/quote]Just wondered about it myself yesterday and thought that depending upon discussions it could have been a step too far.....difficult choice. . They could and did support the loan signings as they wouldn't have to pay any cash up front but merely agree to the expenditure on wages - by which time they woud be safely in or the club in admin. . ...yep have to agree on the last point as I'm still really nervy about whether they will be sanctioned by the Football League. SAPFanSTFC
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9:27am Mon 4 Feb 13

Last step says...

A £500k gamble! Personally I think it's unreasonable to expect them to have spent that kind of money at that stage.

Would you have made a huge non-refundable down-payment on your house or flat prior to the mortgage lender agreeing to give you the mortgage?

Got to say, too, that I'm pleased to see The Trust asking these important questions on our behalf. Nothing wrong with asking them now, either.
A £500k gamble! Personally I think it's unreasonable to expect them to have spent that kind of money at that stage. Would you have made a huge non-refundable down-payment on your house or flat prior to the mortgage lender agreeing to give you the mortgage? Got to say, too, that I'm pleased to see The Trust asking these important questions on our behalf. Nothing wrong with asking them now, either. Last step
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9:28am Mon 4 Feb 13

the don69 says...

DarrenSTFCRomain wrote:
Mr Black is still incharge at STFC..
Mr Black SOLD MR and he also said that EVERY PLAYER was up for sale...

The new board dont have a say in anything until the FL say yes the deal can go a head..

So the fans will get answers from the new board when they TAKE OVER STFC..
That's right Darren!the prospective new owner's can't do anything or say anything or don't own anything until they pass the fit and proper test,Black is still our owner until the Prospective new owners are given the Nod,so any player sale or decisions are Black's and Black's a loan,black will still own our club IF the new gang Fail the test!!!!!!!!!!!
[quote][p][bold]DarrenSTFCRomain[/bold] wrote: Mr Black is still incharge at STFC.. Mr Black SOLD MR and he also said that EVERY PLAYER was up for sale... The new board dont have a say in anything until the FL say yes the deal can go a head.. So the fans will get answers from the new board when they TAKE OVER STFC..[/p][/quote]That's right Darren!the prospective new owner's can't do anything or say anything or don't own anything until they pass the fit and proper test,Black is still our owner until the Prospective new owners are given the Nod,so any player sale or decisions are Black's and Black's a loan,black will still own our club IF the new gang Fail the test!!!!!!!!!!! the don69
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9:37am Mon 4 Feb 13

Wessex Warrior says...

I'm sure we would all like to know what is going on as soon as we can, but the questions as asked by the Trust are a little naive.

Obviously the club is being run by its Executive, led by Nick Watkins. Owners own a club; management run it.

Until a new takeover is agreed, the current owners still own the club.

The new owners cannot say anything as they are under embargo.

When they can, obviously the new owners will say they are ambitious. All clubs talk things up. Means very little, unless the League designs a socialist paradise where all 24 clubs can come top.

Posters need to recall that Andrew Black's consortium saved this club. Now that he wants out, he could have probably minimised his losses better by going into administration and selling off all the players for whatever fees we could get. But instead he is trying to let the club continue as best it can going forward, even if it means writing off substantial losses.
I'm sure we would all like to know what is going on as soon as we can, but the questions as asked by the Trust are a little naive. Obviously the club is being run by its Executive, led by Nick Watkins. Owners own a club; management run it. Until a new takeover is agreed, the current owners still own the club. The new owners cannot say anything as they are under embargo. When they can, obviously the new owners will say they are ambitious. All clubs talk things up. Means very little, unless the League designs a socialist paradise where all 24 clubs can come top. Posters need to recall that Andrew Black's consortium saved this club. Now that he wants out, he could have probably minimised his losses better by going into administration and selling off all the players for whatever fees we could get. But instead he is trying to let the club continue as best it can going forward, even if it means writing off substantial losses. Wessex Warrior
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9:45am Mon 4 Feb 13

London Red says...

I'm not going to claim the Championship is worth £20m more but it certainly is worth a lot more than £2m
.
A liitle bit of research will tell you that in under 30 seconds!
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Scunthorpe made £1.4m profit in their last Championship season and £2m loss in L1
.
This was due to a fall in revenue of £4.5m and only being able to cut costs by £2m
.
It was reported that about 3/4 of that decrease came from TV money (£3.4m)
.
I had also seen another article by a Scunthorpe Director which said TV money reductions had wiped out £3.7m in income alone!
.
So we know it is worth around £3.5m - this is before the new deal kicks in next year which is BOOSTING TV money
.
The remainder of the decrease was put down to ticket sales
.
The point lots forget (which I have been saying over and over again) is like Scuthorpe reported it is not from the home fans but the away fans!!!!
.
Yes home fans have fallen - but away fans more!
.
In the Championship pretty much every team takes over 1,000 with them with some taking 2, 3 or more if allowed
.
This adds lots to your matchday revenue compared to 114 or 294 fans!!!
.
It is for this reason we had the spilt in our board
.
Fitton didn't want to go down the spend now and break even / make profit once promoted route that Wray and Black did
.
Wray was very clear that in his view in L1 it is impossible to compete and not make a budgeted loss (Granted Tranmerer are showin it might not be - but that is once in a blue moon situation ans they have got promoted yet)
.
Too many teams like Forest, Leicester, Norwich, Southampton, Huddersfield, Charlton, Millwall, Leeds, Sheff Wed, Sheff Utd, Bournemouth, Preston, Coventry etc etc are there to allow it
.
To compete with these we needed to boost our wages to their ball park
.
Thus the budgeted loss - as otherwise we would need to cut it by about £1.5-2m!
.
This could EASILY be wiped out with promotion as we will see revenue over double - primarily as TV would match our total revenue now (£1.3m + £3.5m = £4.8m compared to £4.6m TOTAL in 2011) and that is before Matchday (£2.2m) Sponsorship (£0.3m) or Commercial activities (£0.8m) are looked at which will all rise( Matchday was £3.2m in 2010 so £1.1m higher within L1 - so Championship will deliver kore!)
.
Also this arguement that Wages would wipe out any increase in nonsence - we don't all need have £18.5m bills like Cardif - Scunthorpe survided for years with their peak wage bill hitting £5m - just £0.5m above ours now!
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So we could eaily double ours to £10m and still make a profit and still be competitive
I'm not going to claim the Championship is worth £20m more but it certainly is worth a lot more than £2m . A liitle bit of research will tell you that in under 30 seconds! . Scunthorpe made £1.4m profit in their last Championship season and £2m loss in L1 . This was due to a fall in revenue of £4.5m and only being able to cut costs by £2m . It was reported that about 3/4 of that decrease came from TV money (£3.4m) . I had also seen another article by a Scunthorpe Director which said TV money reductions had wiped out £3.7m in income alone! . So we know it is worth around £3.5m - this is before the new deal kicks in next year which is BOOSTING TV money . The remainder of the decrease was put down to ticket sales . The point lots forget (which I have been saying over and over again) is like Scuthorpe reported it is not from the home fans but the away fans!!!! . Yes home fans have fallen - but away fans more! . In the Championship pretty much every team takes over 1,000 with them with some taking 2, 3 or more if allowed . This adds lots to your matchday revenue compared to 114 or 294 fans!!! . It is for this reason we had the spilt in our board . Fitton didn't want to go down the spend now and break even / make profit once promoted route that Wray and Black did . Wray was very clear that in his view in L1 it is impossible to compete and not make a budgeted loss (Granted Tranmerer are showin it might not be - but that is once in a blue moon situation ans they have got promoted yet) . Too many teams like Forest, Leicester, Norwich, Southampton, Huddersfield, Charlton, Millwall, Leeds, Sheff Wed, Sheff Utd, Bournemouth, Preston, Coventry etc etc are there to allow it . To compete with these we needed to boost our wages to their ball park . Thus the budgeted loss - as otherwise we would need to cut it by about £1.5-2m! . This could EASILY be wiped out with promotion as we will see revenue over double - primarily as TV would match our total revenue now (£1.3m + £3.5m = £4.8m compared to £4.6m TOTAL in 2011) and that is before Matchday (£2.2m) Sponsorship (£0.3m) or Commercial activities (£0.8m) are looked at which will all rise( Matchday was £3.2m in 2010 so £1.1m higher within L1 - so Championship will deliver kore!) . Also this arguement that Wages would wipe out any increase in nonsence - we don't all need have £18.5m bills like Cardif - Scunthorpe survided for years with their peak wage bill hitting £5m - just £0.5m above ours now! . So we could eaily double ours to £10m and still make a profit and still be competitive London Red
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10:04am Mon 4 Feb 13

the don69 says...

London Red wrote:
I'm not going to claim the Championship is worth £20m more but it certainly is worth a lot more than £2m
.
A liitle bit of research will tell you that in under 30 seconds!
.
Scunthorpe made £1.4m profit in their last Championship season and £2m loss in L1
.
This was due to a fall in revenue of £4.5m and only being able to cut costs by £2m
.
It was reported that about 3/4 of that decrease came from TV money (£3.4m)
.
I had also seen another article by a Scunthorpe Director which said TV money reductions had wiped out £3.7m in income alone!
.
So we know it is worth around £3.5m - this is before the new deal kicks in next year which is BOOSTING TV money
.
The remainder of the decrease was put down to ticket sales
.
The point lots forget (which I have been saying over and over again) is like Scuthorpe reported it is not from the home fans but the away fans!!!!
.
Yes home fans have fallen - but away fans more!
.
In the Championship pretty much every team takes over 1,000 with them with some taking 2, 3 or more if allowed
.
This adds lots to your matchday revenue compared to 114 or 294 fans!!!
.
It is for this reason we had the spilt in our board
.
Fitton didn't want to go down the spend now and break even / make profit once promoted route that Wray and Black did
.
Wray was very clear that in his view in L1 it is impossible to compete and not make a budgeted loss (Granted Tranmerer are showin it might not be - but that is once in a blue moon situation ans they have got promoted yet)
.
Too many teams like Forest, Leicester, Norwich, Southampton, Huddersfield, Charlton, Millwall, Leeds, Sheff Wed, Sheff Utd, Bournemouth, Preston, Coventry etc etc are there to allow it
.
To compete with these we needed to boost our wages to their ball park
.
Thus the budgeted loss - as otherwise we would need to cut it by about £1.5-2m!
.
This could EASILY be wiped out with promotion as we will see revenue over double - primarily as TV would match our total revenue now (£1.3m + £3.5m = £4.8m compared to £4.6m TOTAL in 2011) and that is before Matchday (£2.2m) Sponsorship (£0.3m) or Commercial activities (£0.8m) are looked at which will all rise( Matchday was £3.2m in 2010 so £1.1m higher within L1 - so Championship will deliver kore!)
.
Also this arguement that Wages would wipe out any increase in nonsence - we don't all need have £18.5m bills like Cardif - Scunthorpe survided for years with their peak wage bill hitting £5m - just £0.5m above ours now!
.
So we could eaily double ours to £10m and still make a profit and still be competitive
The new tv deal is split 60% prem,20% championship,12% div1 and 8% div2 so maybe LR can work that one out(cause sorry but too busy at work at the moment to do it)!!!!!!!!!
[quote][p][bold]London Red[/bold] wrote: I'm not going to claim the Championship is worth £20m more but it certainly is worth a lot more than £2m . A liitle bit of research will tell you that in under 30 seconds! . Scunthorpe made £1.4m profit in their last Championship season and £2m loss in L1 . This was due to a fall in revenue of £4.5m and only being able to cut costs by £2m . It was reported that about 3/4 of that decrease came from TV money (£3.4m) . I had also seen another article by a Scunthorpe Director which said TV money reductions had wiped out £3.7m in income alone! . So we know it is worth around £3.5m - this is before the new deal kicks in next year which is BOOSTING TV money . The remainder of the decrease was put down to ticket sales . The point lots forget (which I have been saying over and over again) is like Scuthorpe reported it is not from the home fans but the away fans!!!! . Yes home fans have fallen - but away fans more! . In the Championship pretty much every team takes over 1,000 with them with some taking 2, 3 or more if allowed . This adds lots to your matchday revenue compared to 114 or 294 fans!!! . It is for this reason we had the spilt in our board . Fitton didn't want to go down the spend now and break even / make profit once promoted route that Wray and Black did . Wray was very clear that in his view in L1 it is impossible to compete and not make a budgeted loss (Granted Tranmerer are showin it might not be - but that is once in a blue moon situation ans they have got promoted yet) . Too many teams like Forest, Leicester, Norwich, Southampton, Huddersfield, Charlton, Millwall, Leeds, Sheff Wed, Sheff Utd, Bournemouth, Preston, Coventry etc etc are there to allow it . To compete with these we needed to boost our wages to their ball park . Thus the budgeted loss - as otherwise we would need to cut it by about £1.5-2m! . This could EASILY be wiped out with promotion as we will see revenue over double - primarily as TV would match our total revenue now (£1.3m + £3.5m = £4.8m compared to £4.6m TOTAL in 2011) and that is before Matchday (£2.2m) Sponsorship (£0.3m) or Commercial activities (£0.8m) are looked at which will all rise( Matchday was £3.2m in 2010 so £1.1m higher within L1 - so Championship will deliver kore!) . Also this arguement that Wages would wipe out any increase in nonsence - we don't all need have £18.5m bills like Cardif - Scunthorpe survided for years with their peak wage bill hitting £5m - just £0.5m above ours now! . So we could eaily double ours to £10m and still make a profit and still be competitive[/p][/quote]The new tv deal is split 60% prem,20% championship,12% div1 and 8% div2 so maybe LR can work that one out(cause sorry but too busy at work at the moment to do it)!!!!!!!!! the don69
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10:05am Mon 4 Feb 13

Jaydee 71 says...

My poor head is spinning with all these rumours, history lessons and everything else.

My only small contribution is that Saturday at the County Ground should be an atmosphere that no-one will EVER forget.

Banners, songs and scarves... we know how much these pull at Paolo's heart so let's be creative, loud and proud !!!
My poor head is spinning with all these rumours, history lessons and everything else. My only small contribution is that Saturday at the County Ground should be an atmosphere that no-one will EVER forget. Banners, songs and scarves... we know how much these pull at Paolo's heart so let's be creative, loud and proud !!! Jaydee 71
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10:13am Mon 4 Feb 13

rockdog says...

The old board sold Ritchie not the new one. So they did the dirty on Paolo. I hope he will hear what the new board has to say before he decides to jump ship. The new board's statements so far have been very positive and if we get the three players in by the end of the week, while he will be missed, they will more than compensate for the loss of Ritchie. So I think that the ''legend'' will stay, after all it is ''his'' club.
The old board sold Ritchie not the new one. So they did the dirty on Paolo. I hope he will hear what the new board has to say before he decides to jump ship. The new board's statements so far have been very positive and if we get the three players in by the end of the week, while he will be missed, they will more than compensate for the loss of Ritchie. So I think that the ''legend'' will stay, after all it is ''his'' club. rockdog
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10:17am Mon 4 Feb 13

Since 1950 says...

rockdog wrote:
The old board sold Ritchie not the new one. So they did the dirty on Paolo. I hope he will hear what the new board has to say before he decides to jump ship. The new board's statements so far have been very positive and if we get the three players in by the end of the week, while he will be missed, they will more than compensate for the loss of Ritchie. So I think that the ''legend'' will stay, after all it is ''his'' club.
Let's all hope you're right rockdog. Let's hope you're right!

However, wasn't it at the new boards insistance that Richie was sold?
[quote][p][bold]rockdog[/bold] wrote: The old board sold Ritchie not the new one. So they did the dirty on Paolo. I hope he will hear what the new board has to say before he decides to jump ship. The new board's statements so far have been very positive and if we get the three players in by the end of the week, while he will be missed, they will more than compensate for the loss of Ritchie. So I think that the ''legend'' will stay, after all it is ''his'' club.[/p][/quote]Let's all hope you're right rockdog. Let's hope you're right! However, wasn't it at the new boards insistance that Richie was sold? Since 1950
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10:18am Mon 4 Feb 13

Wilesy says...

Surely the pedigree of the 3 loan signings esp BWP would indicate a degree of ambition from the new board wages-wise? I think those targets make quite a statement. Pack would presumably be on quite a good wedge to still want to come even though his best mate Ritchie got dumped unceremoniously, who must have influenced the deal.

So the intent is there but where is the money coming from?

For me that is the only question that cannot be answered of the four above. The 3 loan targets shows intent to go for it this season, this would obviously keep Paolo happy, and obviously Black is still in charge until we hear otherwise.

I would add another question about who will be chairman, is it going to be McCrory or someone else?

Hopefully the deal goes through sharpish and the NDA's get lifted and we find out everything.

The issue of not trusting the new owners in Paolo's Friday statement is concerning. Telling Spencer Ritchie won't be sold, then Ritchie getting sold within the hour sounds deplorable on the face of it. Hopefully some sort of misunderstanding.

Maybe it was down to the cash up front aspect, eg offer comes in from Bournemouth for £200k up front / £300k in installments, Black says 'No Deal' then tells McCrory who tells Spencer who tells Paolo, then Bournemouth improve to straight £500k, Black says 'Deal' and was sorting it out before he could cascade the info to others. Just a guess.
Surely the pedigree of the 3 loan signings esp BWP would indicate a degree of ambition from the new board wages-wise? I think those targets make quite a statement. Pack would presumably be on quite a good wedge to still want to come even though his best mate Ritchie got dumped unceremoniously, who must have influenced the deal. So the intent is there but where is the money coming from? For me that is the only question that cannot be answered of the four above. The 3 loan targets shows intent to go for it this season, this would obviously keep Paolo happy, and obviously Black is still in charge until we hear otherwise. I would add another question about who will be chairman, is it going to be McCrory or someone else? Hopefully the deal goes through sharpish and the NDA's get lifted and we find out everything. The issue of not trusting the new owners in Paolo's Friday statement is concerning. Telling Spencer Ritchie won't be sold, then Ritchie getting sold within the hour sounds deplorable on the face of it. Hopefully some sort of misunderstanding. Maybe it was down to the cash up front aspect, eg offer comes in from Bournemouth for £200k up front / £300k in installments, Black says 'No Deal' then tells McCrory who tells Spencer who tells Paolo, then Bournemouth improve to straight £500k, Black says 'Deal' and was sorting it out before he could cascade the info to others. Just a guess. Wilesy
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10:26am Mon 4 Feb 13

dreamofacleansheet2 says...

Am I the only one that thinks Ritchie was sold with both old and new board's blessing. AB wants X for the company, Newco will only pay Y. Only way to sort is sell a player.

What I still can't get my head around though is that if we were in such a dire financial position for AB why oh why not sell Matt Ritchie on January 1 for 900k that we turned down in July? Just can't get my head around it.

Paolo's still manager today, a win tomorrow and we'll be 2 points off the top. Everything crossed.
Am I the only one that thinks Ritchie was sold with both old and new board's blessing. AB wants X for the company, Newco will only pay Y. Only way to sort is sell a player. What I still can't get my head around though is that if we were in such a dire financial position for AB why oh why not sell Matt Ritchie on January 1 for 900k that we turned down in July? Just can't get my head around it. Paolo's still manager today, a win tomorrow and we'll be 2 points off the top. Everything crossed. dreamofacleansheet2
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10:32am Mon 4 Feb 13

Stilloyal says...

I still maintain that the people of Wiltshire should shoulder much of the blame for our finacial shortcomings.
If more came to the games regularly then the whole situation improves dramatically.
On the whole gates this season are no better than last. We are in a great position for promotion but still the people don't show. If we fail to get automatic promotion but get to the play off final then you can garauntee 30,000 "LOYAL" fans will be there.

We need to get a good attendance on Saturday and all three stands to sing Paolo's name throughout the game. This will inspire the players too as they clearly desperately want the gaffer to stay.

COYR's
I still maintain that the people of Wiltshire should shoulder much of the blame for our finacial shortcomings. If more came to the games regularly then the whole situation improves dramatically. On the whole gates this season are no better than last. We are in a great position for promotion but still the people don't show. If we fail to get automatic promotion but get to the play off final then you can garauntee 30,000 "LOYAL" fans will be there. We need to get a good attendance on Saturday and all three stands to sing Paolo's name throughout the game. This will inspire the players too as they clearly desperately want the gaffer to stay. COYR's Stilloyal
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10:35am Mon 4 Feb 13

jontyg says...

All in all, football is becoming a dirty word in this country.
We have a situation where players wages are too high, agents fees are too high and managers wages are too high. This is unsustainable in the current financial climate in which we live. It needs to be capped at an affordable level.
Football should be an enjoyable experience for all, without having to worry about Clubs going into administration and worrying the hell out of everyone who is involved in this sport.
You have a situation where most clubs are owned by either very rich or shallow egotistical individuals who have no interest in football. It's just another medal to them.
Unless all footballing governing bodies in this country get together and sort out this financial mess, then there is really no hope for the future of this beautiful game that we love so much.
Will it ever happen? I just hope so for everyone's sake and for the future of football.
As for STFC's current plight. 250K per month in wages alone! How can that possibly be sustainable through gate receipts? Look at all the empty seats at most grounds in the UK.
Everybody involved in the game needs to take a reality check here as do the rest of the football league and get it sorted asap.
All in all, football is becoming a dirty word in this country. We have a situation where players wages are too high, agents fees are too high and managers wages are too high. This is unsustainable in the current financial climate in which we live. It needs to be capped at an affordable level. Football should be an enjoyable experience for all, without having to worry about Clubs going into administration and worrying the hell out of everyone who is involved in this sport. You have a situation where most clubs are owned by either very rich or shallow egotistical individuals who have no interest in football. It's just another medal to them. Unless all footballing governing bodies in this country get together and sort out this financial mess, then there is really no hope for the future of this beautiful game that we love so much. Will it ever happen? I just hope so for everyone's sake and for the future of football. As for STFC's current plight. 250K per month in wages alone! How can that possibly be sustainable through gate receipts? Look at all the empty seats at most grounds in the UK. Everybody involved in the game needs to take a reality check here as do the rest of the football league and get it sorted asap. jontyg
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10:41am Mon 4 Feb 13

Davidsyrett says...

London Red wrote:
I'm not going to claim the Championship is worth £20m more but it certainly is worth a lot more than £2m
.
A liitle bit of research will tell you that in under 30 seconds!
.
Scunthorpe made £1.4m profit in their last Championship season and £2m loss in L1
.
This was due to a fall in revenue of £4.5m and only being able to cut costs by £2m
.
It was reported that about 3/4 of that decrease came from TV money (£3.4m)
.
I had also seen another article by a Scunthorpe Director which said TV money reductions had wiped out £3.7m in income alone!
.
So we know it is worth around £3.5m - this is before the new deal kicks in next year which is BOOSTING TV money
.
The remainder of the decrease was put down to ticket sales
.
The point lots forget (which I have been saying over and over again) is like Scuthorpe reported it is not from the home fans but the away fans!!!!
.
Yes home fans have fallen - but away fans more!
.
In the Championship pretty much every team takes over 1,000 with them with some taking 2, 3 or more if allowed
.
This adds lots to your matchday revenue compared to 114 or 294 fans!!!
.
It is for this reason we had the spilt in our board
.
Fitton didn't want to go down the spend now and break even / make profit once promoted route that Wray and Black did
.
Wray was very clear that in his view in L1 it is impossible to compete and not make a budgeted loss (Granted Tranmerer are showin it might not be - but that is once in a blue moon situation ans they have got promoted yet)
.
Too many teams like Forest, Leicester, Norwich, Southampton, Huddersfield, Charlton, Millwall, Leeds, Sheff Wed, Sheff Utd, Bournemouth, Preston, Coventry etc etc are there to allow it
.
To compete with these we needed to boost our wages to their ball park
.
Thus the budgeted loss - as otherwise we would need to cut it by about £1.5-2m!
.
This could EASILY be wiped out with promotion as we will see revenue over double - primarily as TV would match our total revenue now (£1.3m + £3.5m = £4.8m compared to £4.6m TOTAL in 2011) and that is before Matchday (£2.2m) Sponsorship (£0.3m) or Commercial activities (£0.8m) are looked at which will all rise( Matchday was £3.2m in 2010 so £1.1m higher within L1 - so Championship will deliver kore!)
.
Also this arguement that Wages would wipe out any increase in nonsence - we don't all need have £18.5m bills like Cardif - Scunthorpe survided for years with their peak wage bill hitting £5m - just £0.5m above ours now!
.
So we could eaily double ours to £10m and still make a profit and still be competitive
LR, you've been going on about how much profit this club has been making over the last 18mths with transfers money in sales etc and it's been total tosh, what a well run club we are,yet we are losing money every week. and will continue to do so in the championship.

You have no idea what the cost's are and to compare us to Scunthorpe is ludicrous! Bristol City would be a better comparison,their gates are far higher than ours yet they cant afford to buy players and look like getting relegated after years of struggling.

Our wage bill is already higher than most, if not all the league one teams, that is only set to increase if we get promoted, How much do you think PdC is on?

Very few teams in the whole league make money, let alone if you want sustainable success. The only way to balance the books would be to regularly sell our best players, I hardly think that is a method that would impress PdC or any other froward thinking manager.
[quote][p][bold]London Red[/bold] wrote: I'm not going to claim the Championship is worth £20m more but it certainly is worth a lot more than £2m . A liitle bit of research will tell you that in under 30 seconds! . Scunthorpe made £1.4m profit in their last Championship season and £2m loss in L1 . This was due to a fall in revenue of £4.5m and only being able to cut costs by £2m . It was reported that about 3/4 of that decrease came from TV money (£3.4m) . I had also seen another article by a Scunthorpe Director which said TV money reductions had wiped out £3.7m in income alone! . So we know it is worth around £3.5m - this is before the new deal kicks in next year which is BOOSTING TV money . The remainder of the decrease was put down to ticket sales . The point lots forget (which I have been saying over and over again) is like Scuthorpe reported it is not from the home fans but the away fans!!!! . Yes home fans have fallen - but away fans more! . In the Championship pretty much every team takes over 1,000 with them with some taking 2, 3 or more if allowed . This adds lots to your matchday revenue compared to 114 or 294 fans!!! . It is for this reason we had the spilt in our board . Fitton didn't want to go down the spend now and break even / make profit once promoted route that Wray and Black did . Wray was very clear that in his view in L1 it is impossible to compete and not make a budgeted loss (Granted Tranmerer are showin it might not be - but that is once in a blue moon situation ans they have got promoted yet) . Too many teams like Forest, Leicester, Norwich, Southampton, Huddersfield, Charlton, Millwall, Leeds, Sheff Wed, Sheff Utd, Bournemouth, Preston, Coventry etc etc are there to allow it . To compete with these we needed to boost our wages to their ball park . Thus the budgeted loss - as otherwise we would need to cut it by about £1.5-2m! . This could EASILY be wiped out with promotion as we will see revenue over double - primarily as TV would match our total revenue now (£1.3m + £3.5m = £4.8m compared to £4.6m TOTAL in 2011) and that is before Matchday (£2.2m) Sponsorship (£0.3m) or Commercial activities (£0.8m) are looked at which will all rise( Matchday was £3.2m in 2010 so £1.1m higher within L1 - so Championship will deliver kore!) . Also this arguement that Wages would wipe out any increase in nonsence - we don't all need have £18.5m bills like Cardif - Scunthorpe survided for years with their peak wage bill hitting £5m - just £0.5m above ours now! . So we could eaily double ours to £10m and still make a profit and still be competitive[/p][/quote]LR, you've been going on about how much profit this club has been making over the last 18mths with transfers money in sales etc and it's been total tosh, what a well run club we are,yet we are losing money every week. and will continue to do so in the championship. You have no idea what the cost's are and to compare us to Scunthorpe is ludicrous! Bristol City would be a better comparison,their gates are far higher than ours yet they cant afford to buy players and look like getting relegated after years of struggling. Our wage bill is already higher than most, if not all the league one teams, that is only set to increase if we get promoted, How much do you think PdC is on? Very few teams in the whole league make money, let alone if you want sustainable success. The only way to balance the books would be to regularly sell our best players, I hardly think that is a method that would impress PdC or any other froward thinking manager. Davidsyrett
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10:46am Mon 4 Feb 13

mickry says...

This is all so confusing.
However, it is a fact, I think, that Black saved the club, and I had formed the impression that he had written off the money owed to him. This would have been a generous act, wouldn't it?However, according to 'The Football League Paper' (I know, I know!) most of the (internally owed?) debt has been written off 'BY THE NEW OWNERS'. How does that work then?
Regarding the new owners, if they are asset strippers then they are in for a disappointment because the club has few assets to strip. The ground, and that is literally the ground on which the stadium stands, is owned by the council. If I remember rightly, a big part of the original debt which nearly finished us off was owed to that shower of you know whats in ground rent. What's more the land around there is in trust for (free?) recreational use of 'the people of Swindon'.
So what, apart from the players, might they sell off?
What might dissapoint the fans, though, are lack of funds, lack of ambition and the ill will of the Football League.
Regarding Ritchie, the only positive is that we have already played Bournemouth this season.
Regarding Paolo, if he does stay then that really is commitment to the cause of Swindon Town, and we should all be for ever grateful. Mick.
This is all so confusing. However, it is a fact, I think, that Black saved the club, and I had formed the impression that he had written off the money owed to him. This would have been a generous act, wouldn't it?However, according to 'The Football League Paper' (I know, I know!) most of the (internally owed?) debt has been written off 'BY THE NEW OWNERS'. How does that work then? Regarding the new owners, if they are asset strippers then they are in for a disappointment because the club has few assets to strip. The ground, and that is literally the ground on which the stadium stands, is owned by the council. If I remember rightly, a big part of the original debt which nearly finished us off was owed to that shower of you know whats in ground rent. What's more the land around there is in trust for (free?) recreational use of 'the people of Swindon'. So what, apart from the players, might they sell off? What might dissapoint the fans, though, are lack of funds, lack of ambition and the ill will of the Football League. Regarding Ritchie, the only positive is that we have already played Bournemouth this season. Regarding Paolo, if he does stay then that really is commitment to the cause of Swindon Town, and we should all be for ever grateful. Mick. mickry
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10:47am Mon 4 Feb 13

Stilloyal says...

3.5 k at Crawley for a pair of teams with aspirations of promotion, over 700 of these were travelling fans (well done ).
This was a televised game and while I'm grateful for the £10k it gives Town it's a poor attendance . I reiterate that excessive T.V is bad for football in general. It does nothing to encourage people to leave their armchairs !

Someone said a couple of weeks ago that attendances in all four divisions were up, figures published last week disput this statement.
Also Town attendances are only 50% of what we got in the 50's
3.5 k at Crawley for a pair of teams with aspirations of promotion, over 700 of these were travelling fans (well done ). This was a televised game and while I'm grateful for the £10k it gives Town it's a poor attendance . I reiterate that excessive T.V is bad for football in general. It does nothing to encourage people to leave their armchairs ! Someone said a couple of weeks ago that attendances in all four divisions were up, figures published last week disput this statement. Also Town attendances are only 50% of what we got in the 50's Stilloyal
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10:49am Mon 4 Feb 13

Davidsyrett says...

jontyg wrote:
All in all, football is becoming a dirty word in this country.
We have a situation where players wages are too high, agents fees are too high and managers wages are too high. This is unsustainable in the current financial climate in which we live. It needs to be capped at an affordable level.
Football should be an enjoyable experience for all, without having to worry about Clubs going into administration and worrying the hell out of everyone who is involved in this sport.
You have a situation where most clubs are owned by either very rich or shallow egotistical individuals who have no interest in football. It's just another medal to them.
Unless all footballing governing bodies in this country get together and sort out this financial mess, then there is really no hope for the future of this beautiful game that we love so much.
Will it ever happen? I just hope so for everyone's sake and for the future of football.
As for STFC's current plight. 250K per month in wages alone! How can that possibly be sustainable through gate receipts? Look at all the empty seats at most grounds in the UK.
Everybody involved in the game needs to take a reality check here as do the rest of the football league and get it sorted asap.
Well said, AB is a rich man yet has had to bail out, We have to realise that the overspend will have to stop. I feel that the club will now be ran within it's limits.

I have a feeling they will give it a go to get promoted this season, but failure to do so will result in a big restructuring over the summer.
[quote][p][bold]jontyg[/bold] wrote: All in all, football is becoming a dirty word in this country. We have a situation where players wages are too high, agents fees are too high and managers wages are too high. This is unsustainable in the current financial climate in which we live. It needs to be capped at an affordable level. Football should be an enjoyable experience for all, without having to worry about Clubs going into administration and worrying the hell out of everyone who is involved in this sport. You have a situation where most clubs are owned by either very rich or shallow egotistical individuals who have no interest in football. It's just another medal to them. Unless all footballing governing bodies in this country get together and sort out this financial mess, then there is really no hope for the future of this beautiful game that we love so much. Will it ever happen? I just hope so for everyone's sake and for the future of football. As for STFC's current plight. 250K per month in wages alone! How can that possibly be sustainable through gate receipts? Look at all the empty seats at most grounds in the UK. Everybody involved in the game needs to take a reality check here as do the rest of the football league and get it sorted asap.[/p][/quote]Well said, AB is a rich man yet has had to bail out, We have to realise that the overspend will have to stop. I feel that the club will now be ran within it's limits. I have a feeling they will give it a go to get promoted this season, but failure to do so will result in a big restructuring over the summer. Davidsyrett
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10:53am Mon 4 Feb 13

grove red says...

Jaydee 71 wrote:
My poor head is spinning with all these rumours, history lessons and everything else.

My only small contribution is that Saturday at the County Ground should be an atmosphere that no-one will EVER forget.

Banners, songs and scarves... we know how much these pull at Paolo's heart so let's be creative, loud and proud !!!
Would be nice if all Swindon fans came out of the closet and got down to the CG as there is a redused cost for Saturdays game come all you stay at home fans the club needs your support more than ever so please all come down to the CG and support you local club and give PDC and HIS team all the support that's needed!!!!!!!!!


COYR
[quote][p][bold]Jaydee 71[/bold] wrote: My poor head is spinning with all these rumours, history lessons and everything else. My only small contribution is that Saturday at the County Ground should be an atmosphere that no-one will EVER forget. Banners, songs and scarves... we know how much these pull at Paolo's heart so let's be creative, loud and proud !!![/p][/quote]Would be nice if all Swindon fans came out of the closet and got down to the CG as there is a redused cost for Saturdays game come all you stay at home fans the club needs your support more than ever so please all come down to the CG and support you local club and give PDC and HIS team all the support that's needed!!!!!!!!! COYR grove red
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10:59am Mon 4 Feb 13

London Red says...

Davidsyrett - when you can quote me correctly I may take your point seriously
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However -when you speak total tosh your point is total tosh!
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Yes I have said we have made profot on our transfer dealings - that is fact - if you can be asked to do some research you will see that is true
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I have NEVER said we are making a profit making club as I know fully well (bar 2010 when we did make a profit) we had budgeted losses in the forcasts - that my WHOLE POINT Above
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Obviously I don't know idividual wages - but total are known as they are PRINTED IN THE ACCOUNTS!
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I can provide you with 2009, 2010 and 2011 numbers as I have copies of the accounts
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So that is how I know those figures - they are readily available to all - so I'm not in the know - just not lazy
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The reason I chose Scunthorpe was purely as they have been relegated recently and those figures are available and can therefore be used - google them if you don't believe me - wonderful thing that well kept secret of google!
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If you have Bristol City's accounts to hand and want to use them in a debate feel free to provide them!
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I don't but know what Scunthorpe lost in TV money - so that is more relevant that made up numbers!
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Or if you prefer I could simply do what many others do and make numbers up to suit my arguement!
Davidsyrett - when you can quote me correctly I may take your point seriously . However -when you speak total tosh your point is total tosh! . Yes I have said we have made profot on our transfer dealings - that is fact - if you can be asked to do some research you will see that is true . I have NEVER said we are making a profit making club as I know fully well (bar 2010 when we did make a profit) we had budgeted losses in the forcasts - that my WHOLE POINT Above . Obviously I don't know idividual wages - but total are known as they are PRINTED IN THE ACCOUNTS! . I can provide you with 2009, 2010 and 2011 numbers as I have copies of the accounts . So that is how I know those figures - they are readily available to all - so I'm not in the know - just not lazy . The reason I chose Scunthorpe was purely as they have been relegated recently and those figures are available and can therefore be used - google them if you don't believe me - wonderful thing that well kept secret of google! . If you have Bristol City's accounts to hand and want to use them in a debate feel free to provide them! . I don't but know what Scunthorpe lost in TV money - so that is more relevant that made up numbers! . Or if you prefer I could simply do what many others do and make numbers up to suit my arguement! London Red
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11:01am Mon 4 Feb 13

stfc2012 says...

Stilloyal wrote:
I still maintain that the people of Wiltshire should shoulder much of the blame for our finacial shortcomings.
If more came to the games regularly then the whole situation improves dramatically.
On the whole gates this season are no better than last. We are in a great position for promotion but still the people don't show. If we fail to get automatic promotion but get to the play off final then you can garauntee 30,000 "LOYAL" fans will be there.

We need to get a good attendance on Saturday and all three stands to sing Paolo's name throughout the game. This will inspire the players too as they clearly desperately want the gaffer to stay.

COYR's
Ludicrous. Cannot blame the people of Wiltshire. They have the right to attend what games they choose to. Its the same almost everywhere for clubs our size. The club should be managed accordingly. I realise a better support would be great for all but we all know attendances go up depending on the opposition and occasion. Football is expensive and a luxury for most. People of Wiltshire as a scapegoat for this situation is comical.
[quote][p][bold]Stilloyal[/bold] wrote: I still maintain that the people of Wiltshire should shoulder much of the blame for our finacial shortcomings. If more came to the games regularly then the whole situation improves dramatically. On the whole gates this season are no better than last. We are in a great position for promotion but still the people don't show. If we fail to get automatic promotion but get to the play off final then you can garauntee 30,000 "LOYAL" fans will be there. We need to get a good attendance on Saturday and all three stands to sing Paolo's name throughout the game. This will inspire the players too as they clearly desperately want the gaffer to stay. COYR's[/p][/quote]Ludicrous. Cannot blame the people of Wiltshire. They have the right to attend what games they choose to. Its the same almost everywhere for clubs our size. The club should be managed accordingly. I realise a better support would be great for all but we all know attendances go up depending on the opposition and occasion. Football is expensive and a luxury for most. People of Wiltshire as a scapegoat for this situation is comical. stfc2012
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11:05am Mon 4 Feb 13

stfc2012 says...

London Red wrote:
Davidsyrett - when you can quote me correctly I may take your point seriously
.
However -when you speak total tosh your point is total tosh!
.
Yes I have said we have made profot on our transfer dealings - that is fact - if you can be asked to do some research you will see that is true
.
I have NEVER said we are making a profit making club as I know fully well (bar 2010 when we did make a profit) we had budgeted losses in the forcasts - that my WHOLE POINT Above
.
Obviously I don't know idividual wages - but total are known as they are PRINTED IN THE ACCOUNTS!
.
I can provide you with 2009, 2010 and 2011 numbers as I have copies of the accounts
.
So that is how I know those figures - they are readily available to all - so I'm not in the know - just not lazy
.
The reason I chose Scunthorpe was purely as they have been relegated recently and those figures are available and can therefore be used - google them if you don't believe me - wonderful thing that well kept secret of google!
.
If you have Bristol City's accounts to hand and want to use them in a debate feel free to provide them!
.
I don't but know what Scunthorpe lost in TV money - so that is more relevant that made up numbers!
.
Or if you prefer I could simply do what many others do and make numbers up to suit my arguement!
Criticised for actually doing some research and providing a different viewpoint other than the normal nonsense. Says it all...
[quote][p][bold]London Red[/bold] wrote: Davidsyrett - when you can quote me correctly I may take your point seriously . However -when you speak total tosh your point is total tosh! . Yes I have said we have made profot on our transfer dealings - that is fact - if you can be asked to do some research you will see that is true . I have NEVER said we are making a profit making club as I know fully well (bar 2010 when we did make a profit) we had budgeted losses in the forcasts - that my WHOLE POINT Above . Obviously I don't know idividual wages - but total are known as they are PRINTED IN THE ACCOUNTS! . I can provide you with 2009, 2010 and 2011 numbers as I have copies of the accounts . So that is how I know those figures - they are readily available to all - so I'm not in the know - just not lazy . The reason I chose Scunthorpe was purely as they have been relegated recently and those figures are available and can therefore be used - google them if you don't believe me - wonderful thing that well kept secret of google! . If you have Bristol City's accounts to hand and want to use them in a debate feel free to provide them! . I don't but know what Scunthorpe lost in TV money - so that is more relevant that made up numbers! . Or if you prefer I could simply do what many others do and make numbers up to suit my arguement![/p][/quote]Criticised for actually doing some research and providing a different viewpoint other than the normal nonsense. Says it all... stfc2012
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11:16am Mon 4 Feb 13

eddyxx says...

maybe bournmouth knew to keep their offer low and last minute because they were aware of whats going on at the club, take it or leave it, maybe within the wheels of industry they knew and played a good hand and didn't blink, fair play to them. Why ritchie had to be sold and the timings are so awful though. All will be revealed in time, if PDC goes cant say as i would blame him, maybe its the plan to get him to walk, time will tell
maybe bournmouth knew to keep their offer low and last minute because they were aware of whats going on at the club, take it or leave it, maybe within the wheels of industry they knew and played a good hand and didn't blink, fair play to them. Why ritchie had to be sold and the timings are so awful though. All will be revealed in time, if PDC goes cant say as i would blame him, maybe its the plan to get him to walk, time will tell eddyxx
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11:18am Mon 4 Feb 13

stfc2012 says...

Stilloyal wrote:
3.5 k at Crawley for a pair of teams with aspirations of promotion, over 700 of these were travelling fans (well done ).
This was a televised game and while I'm grateful for the £10k it gives Town it's a poor attendance . I reiterate that excessive T.V is bad for football in general. It does nothing to encourage people to leave their armchairs !

Someone said a couple of weeks ago that attendances in all four divisions were up, figures published last week disput this statement.
Also Town attendances are only 50% of what we got in the 50's
I don't think the few L1 games that are on damage any club that significantly. The tv money evens out if any fans are lost but its not all bad. I know many Swindon fans abroad that get together with others when games are on for a rare glimpse of a live game. We get shown all over the world which I think is a great thing. Also, it's an advert so if we are good value it should encourage support in the future. 3.5k at Crawley isn't that bad. They are not a big club and despite all their critics a lot of the hate was aimed at the old manager. The pitch was bad but that is life. Adapt and get on. Tv up the leagues is again a subject of debate but I love having Sky and the option of all the football they show. Attendances may be down on 1950s but this is not really a fair comparison - times have changed. Our leagues are better supported than any in the world I believe.
[quote][p][bold]Stilloyal[/bold] wrote: 3.5 k at Crawley for a pair of teams with aspirations of promotion, over 700 of these were travelling fans (well done ). This was a televised game and while I'm grateful for the £10k it gives Town it's a poor attendance . I reiterate that excessive T.V is bad for football in general. It does nothing to encourage people to leave their armchairs ! Someone said a couple of weeks ago that attendances in all four divisions were up, figures published last week disput this statement. Also Town attendances are only 50% of what we got in the 50's[/p][/quote]I don't think the few L1 games that are on damage any club that significantly. The tv money evens out if any fans are lost but its not all bad. I know many Swindon fans abroad that get together with others when games are on for a rare glimpse of a live game. We get shown all over the world which I think is a great thing. Also, it's an advert so if we are good value it should encourage support in the future. 3.5k at Crawley isn't that bad. They are not a big club and despite all their critics a lot of the hate was aimed at the old manager. The pitch was bad but that is life. Adapt and get on. Tv up the leagues is again a subject of debate but I love having Sky and the option of all the football they show. Attendances may be down on 1950s but this is not really a fair comparison - times have changed. Our leagues are better supported than any in the world I believe. stfc2012
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11:20am Mon 4 Feb 13

hornet says...

Simple the club have no money

Feel all that cash wasted with players on 2 year deals having to be payed of as they didn't make the grade has now come back to haunt town now

The championship will bring better revenue but I beleve this new board are just trying to find the wages at the moment

Hope Paolo stays untill the summer at least

Feel it won't be the same whatever the outcome this wheek
Simple the club have no money Feel all that cash wasted with players on 2 year deals having to be payed of as they didn't make the grade has now come back to haunt town now The championship will bring better revenue but I beleve this new board are just trying to find the wages at the moment Hope Paolo stays untill the summer at least Feel it won't be the same whatever the outcome this wheek hornet
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11:22am Mon 4 Feb 13

Davidsyrett says...

London Red wrote:
Davidsyrett - when you can quote me correctly I may take your point seriously
.
However -when you speak total tosh your point is total tosh!
.
Yes I have said we have made profot on our transfer dealings - that is fact - if you can be asked to do some research you will see that is true
.
I have NEVER said we are making a profit making club as I know fully well (bar 2010 when we did make a profit) we had budgeted losses in the forcasts - that my WHOLE POINT Above
.
Obviously I don't know idividual wages - but total are known as they are PRINTED IN THE ACCOUNTS!
.
I can provide you with 2009, 2010 and 2011 numbers as I have copies of the accounts
.
So that is how I know those figures - they are readily available to all - so I'm not in the know - just not lazy
.
The reason I chose Scunthorpe was purely as they have been relegated recently and those figures are available and can therefore be used - google them if you don't believe me - wonderful thing that well kept secret of google!
.
If you have Bristol City's accounts to hand and want to use them in a debate feel free to provide them!
.
I don't but know what Scunthorpe lost in TV money - so that is more relevant that made up numbers!
.
Or if you prefer I could simply do what many others do and make numbers up to suit my arguement!
simple question LR, roughly how many clubs in the championship make a profit?

You have always maintained that this club is well run, whenever people have doubted it, Why then are we losing large amounts of money every month?

Your original comment suggested that promotion to the championship will mean we will make a profit, Is this what you believe? (with or without selling players)

Only a few days ago you couldn't understand why AB would not want to keep pumping money into the club every month suggesting that surely it would be better to wait to we got promoted and then sell as a championship club (if promoted), Do you not think that AB may have considered this? My thoughts would be that he did look in to this and found as I'm saying that he would still be facing large losses. Otherwise why not hang in there?

Sorry mate your wrong, the club will post championship losses unless we sell players to balance the books, and if we do that regularly, how sustainable would it be up there.

Off course, there is still a chance that the new board will pump money into the club, and if they do then it maybe a different story, but that is what is needed to continue the success of the last few seasons.
[quote][p][bold]London Red[/bold] wrote: Davidsyrett - when you can quote me correctly I may take your point seriously . However -when you speak total tosh your point is total tosh! . Yes I have said we have made profot on our transfer dealings - that is fact - if you can be asked to do some research you will see that is true . I have NEVER said we are making a profit making club as I know fully well (bar 2010 when we did make a profit) we had budgeted losses in the forcasts - that my WHOLE POINT Above . Obviously I don't know idividual wages - but total are known as they are PRINTED IN THE ACCOUNTS! . I can provide you with 2009, 2010 and 2011 numbers as I have copies of the accounts . So that is how I know those figures - they are readily available to all - so I'm not in the know - just not lazy . The reason I chose Scunthorpe was purely as they have been relegated recently and those figures are available and can therefore be used - google them if you don't believe me - wonderful thing that well kept secret of google! . If you have Bristol City's accounts to hand and want to use them in a debate feel free to provide them! . I don't but know what Scunthorpe lost in TV money - so that is more relevant that made up numbers! . Or if you prefer I could simply do what many others do and make numbers up to suit my arguement![/p][/quote]simple question LR, roughly how many clubs in the championship make a profit? You have always maintained that this club is well run, whenever people have doubted it, Why then are we losing large amounts of money every month? Your original comment suggested that promotion to the championship will mean we will make a profit, Is this what you believe? (with or without selling players) Only a few days ago you couldn't understand why AB would not want to keep pumping money into the club every month suggesting that surely it would be better to wait to we got promoted and then sell as a championship club (if promoted), Do you not think that AB may have considered this? My thoughts would be that he did look in to this and found as I'm saying that he would still be facing large losses. Otherwise why not hang in there? Sorry mate your wrong, the club will post championship losses unless we sell players to balance the books, and if we do that regularly, how sustainable would it be up there. Off course, there is still a chance that the new board will pump money into the club, and if they do then it maybe a different story, but that is what is needed to continue the success of the last few seasons. Davidsyrett
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11:32am Mon 4 Feb 13

eddyxx says...

Could it be that Pdc has a contract that guarantees squad investment and with a championship club you would suddenly see increased investment from an unwilling chairman, no disrespect to black because the other members of his board lumbered him with a big cash cow. this could be where pdc is quoting breach of contract
Could it be that Pdc has a contract that guarantees squad investment and with a championship club you would suddenly see increased investment from an unwilling chairman, no disrespect to black because the other members of his board lumbered him with a big cash cow. this could be where pdc is quoting breach of contract eddyxx
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11:32am Mon 4 Feb 13

London Red says...

Davidsyrett - Sorry - I bow down to your superior knowledge as looking at all the details you provided how can I doubt that!
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You have mixed up so many of my statements (and some with other posters) it has ended up being nothing what I have said
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This is the last I will say on the matter with you as I can't be asked to waste my time anymore
Davidsyrett - Sorry - I bow down to your superior knowledge as looking at all the details you provided how can I doubt that! . You have mixed up so many of my statements (and some with other posters) it has ended up being nothing what I have said . This is the last I will say on the matter with you as I can't be asked to waste my time anymore London Red
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11:34am Mon 4 Feb 13

LegendSTFC says...

Not sure if this has already been said so I apologise if it has...

Ritchie could have turned down the move, surely? If it was that much of a surprise to him as he says it was, he could have said "thanks Bournemouth, but I like it here" and stayed?
Not sure if this has already been said so I apologise if it has... Ritchie could have turned down the move, surely? If it was that much of a surprise to him as he says it was, he could have said "thanks Bournemouth, but I like it here" and stayed? LegendSTFC
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11:34am Mon 4 Feb 13

stfc2012 says...

hornet wrote:
Simple the club have no money

Feel all that cash wasted with players on 2 year deals having to be payed of as they didn't make the grade has now come back to haunt town now

The championship will bring better revenue but I beleve this new board are just trying to find the wages at the moment

Hope Paolo stays untill the summer at least

Feel it won't be the same whatever the outcome this wheek
I have to agree and many wash over amount of cash 'wasted' and by wasted I mean on players that we've had to pay off after giving long deals to, those PDC fell out with, those that we've bought for too much and the amount we pay some players. It must amount to a hell of a lot and although I'm not saying this would have changed everything it must have had an effect on Black. Seeing your club throwing xxx at Lanzano etc etc etc just to get rid is literally throwing money away. I think the spending beast stfc became was just too much. PDC expected it but it couldn't go on. Now we are here. I think PDC is a far better manager now than he was a year ago and has learned some lessons which is natural. I also think he'd get us up if he could have his way with new players. I just think it will all change with the new board and he won't be a part of it in the end. I wish he was but I can't see it happening.
[quote][p][bold]hornet[/bold] wrote: Simple the club have no money Feel all that cash wasted with players on 2 year deals having to be payed of as they didn't make the grade has now come back to haunt town now The championship will bring better revenue but I beleve this new board are just trying to find the wages at the moment Hope Paolo stays untill the summer at least Feel it won't be the same whatever the outcome this wheek[/p][/quote]I have to agree and many wash over amount of cash 'wasted' and by wasted I mean on players that we've had to pay off after giving long deals to, those PDC fell out with, those that we've bought for too much and the amount we pay some players. It must amount to a hell of a lot and although I'm not saying this would have changed everything it must have had an effect on Black. Seeing your club throwing xxx at Lanzano etc etc etc just to get rid is literally throwing money away. I think the spending beast stfc became was just too much. PDC expected it but it couldn't go on. Now we are here. I think PDC is a far better manager now than he was a year ago and has learned some lessons which is natural. I also think he'd get us up if he could have his way with new players. I just think it will all change with the new board and he won't be a part of it in the end. I wish he was but I can't see it happening. stfc2012
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11:34am Mon 4 Feb 13

Davidsyrett says...

1 further question LR.

Do you think we would have had the success over the last 18mths if there had been no-one investing large sums of money? I don't

The one season we made a profit we got relegated, why, we sold our best players!!
1 further question LR. Do you think we would have had the success over the last 18mths if there had been no-one investing large sums of money? I don't The one season we made a profit we got relegated, why, we sold our best players!! Davidsyrett
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11:35am Mon 4 Feb 13

super reds says...

Since 1950 wrote:
rockdog wrote: The old board sold Ritchie not the new one. So they did the dirty on Paolo. I hope he will hear what the new board has to say before he decides to jump ship. The new board's statements so far have been very positive and if we get the three players in by the end of the week, while he will be missed, they will more than compensate for the loss of Ritchie. So I think that the ''legend'' will stay, after all it is ''his'' club.
Let's all hope you're right rockdog. Let's hope you're right! However, wasn't it at the new boards insistance that Richie was sold?
Did you not read the article, it early states that it was Blacks choice to sell MR
[quote][p][bold]Since 1950[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]rockdog[/bold] wrote: The old board sold Ritchie not the new one. So they did the dirty on Paolo. I hope he will hear what the new board has to say before he decides to jump ship. The new board's statements so far have been very positive and if we get the three players in by the end of the week, while he will be missed, they will more than compensate for the loss of Ritchie. So I think that the ''legend'' will stay, after all it is ''his'' club.[/p][/quote]Let's all hope you're right rockdog. Let's hope you're right! However, wasn't it at the new boards insistance that Richie was sold?[/p][/quote]Did you not read the article, it early states that it was Blacks choice to sell MR super reds
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11:36am Mon 4 Feb 13

Steve. Brentford says...

stfc2012 wrote:
Stilloyal wrote:
I still maintain that the people of Wiltshire should shoulder much of the blame for our finacial shortcomings.
If more came to the games regularly then the whole situation improves dramatically.
On the whole gates this season are no better than last. We are in a great position for promotion but still the people don't show. If we fail to get automatic promotion but get to the play off final then you can garauntee 30,000 "LOYAL" fans will be there.

We need to get a good attendance on Saturday and all three stands to sing Paolo's name throughout the game. This will inspire the players too as they clearly desperately want the gaffer to stay.

COYR's
Ludicrous. Cannot blame the people of Wiltshire. They have the right to attend what games they choose to. Its the same almost everywhere for clubs our size. The club should be managed accordingly. I realise a better support would be great for all but we all know attendances go up depending on the opposition and occasion. Football is expensive and a luxury for most. People of Wiltshire as a scapegoat for this situation is comical.
No it is not,if 30000 can find the the time to attend wembley then surely a large proportion could afford/be bothered to attend the CG, yes times are hard and some really cant afford the luxury of football but if we get drawn against a big club tomorrow, a large crowd and probably a packed CG would be guaranteed.If us Town fans want highly quality football then they have to except they have a duty to attend whenever possible.
[quote][p][bold]stfc2012[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Stilloyal[/bold] wrote: I still maintain that the people of Wiltshire should shoulder much of the blame for our finacial shortcomings. If more came to the games regularly then the whole situation improves dramatically. On the whole gates this season are no better than last. We are in a great position for promotion but still the people don't show. If we fail to get automatic promotion but get to the play off final then you can garauntee 30,000 "LOYAL" fans will be there. We need to get a good attendance on Saturday and all three stands to sing Paolo's name throughout the game. This will inspire the players too as they clearly desperately want the gaffer to stay. COYR's[/p][/quote]Ludicrous. Cannot blame the people of Wiltshire. They have the right to attend what games they choose to. Its the same almost everywhere for clubs our size. The club should be managed accordingly. I realise a better support would be great for all but we all know attendances go up depending on the opposition and occasion. Football is expensive and a luxury for most. People of Wiltshire as a scapegoat for this situation is comical.[/p][/quote]No it is not,if 30000 can find the the time to attend wembley then surely a large proportion could afford/be bothered to attend the CG, yes times are hard and some really cant afford the luxury of football but if we get drawn against a big club tomorrow, a large crowd and probably a packed CG would be guaranteed.If us Town fans want highly quality football then they have to except they have a duty to attend whenever possible. Steve. Brentford
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11:42am Mon 4 Feb 13

John Young's Grumpy says...

Apoligies but this is from a rumour site - but I hope that it is, in the main, true:

"Paolo Di Canio is set for talks with the new owners this week, (provided the football league ratify the deal) Swindon fans have Phil Spencer to thank for PDC not resigning after the Crawley game, Phil convinced him to see this through until the end of the season if the new board will back him and sign the three players that were blocked a week ago, although it is now thought that Bradley wright Philips is no longer interested so Pack and Green will sign."

I for one will be there at Colchester urging Paolo:

"Per favore non lasciate....."

COR!!
Apoligies but this is from a rumour site - but I hope that it is, in the main, true: "Paolo Di Canio is set for talks with the new owners this week, (provided the football league ratify the deal) Swindon fans have Phil Spencer to thank for PDC not resigning after the Crawley game, Phil convinced him to see this through until the end of the season if the new board will back him and sign the three players that were blocked a week ago, although it is now thought that Bradley wright Philips is no longer interested so Pack and Green will sign." I for one will be there at Colchester urging Paolo: "Per favore non lasciate....." COR!! John Young's Grumpy
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11:46am Mon 4 Feb 13

LegendSTFC says...

Steve. Brentford wrote:
stfc2012 wrote:
Stilloyal wrote: I still maintain that the people of Wiltshire should shoulder much of the blame for our finacial shortcomings. If more came to the games regularly then the whole situation improves dramatically. On the whole gates this season are no better than last. We are in a great position for promotion but still the people don't show. If we fail to get automatic promotion but get to the play off final then you can garauntee 30,000 "LOYAL" fans will be there. We need to get a good attendance on Saturday and all three stands to sing Paolo's name throughout the game. This will inspire the players too as they clearly desperately want the gaffer to stay. COYR's
Ludicrous. Cannot blame the people of Wiltshire. They have the right to attend what games they choose to. Its the same almost everywhere for clubs our size. The club should be managed accordingly. I realise a better support would be great for all but we all know attendances go up depending on the opposition and occasion. Football is expensive and a luxury for most. People of Wiltshire as a scapegoat for this situation is comical.
No it is not,if 30000 can find the the time to attend wembley then surely a large proportion could afford/be bothered to attend the CG, yes times are hard and some really cant afford the luxury of football but if we get drawn against a big club tomorrow, a large crowd and probably a packed CG would be guaranteed.If us Town fans want highly quality football then they have to except they have a duty to attend whenever possible.
You seem to forget the not all of the 30,000 that went to Wembley are from Wiltshire. Wow, I love reading these comments, it just shows that some of our fans are complete idiots. Yes, not everyone went because they are Town fans, some wanted the opportunity to say they have been to Wembley, maybe taking their children there as well, fulfilling a dream? Have you ever thought about that? At the end of the day it is everyone's personal choice if they attend matches, are you going to go knock on 30,000 peoples houses and tell them to get down to the CG? I didn't think so.
[quote][p][bold]Steve. Brentford[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]stfc2012[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Stilloyal[/bold] wrote: I still maintain that the people of Wiltshire should shoulder much of the blame for our finacial shortcomings. If more came to the games regularly then the whole situation improves dramatically. On the whole gates this season are no better than last. We are in a great position for promotion but still the people don't show. If we fail to get automatic promotion but get to the play off final then you can garauntee 30,000 "LOYAL" fans will be there. We need to get a good attendance on Saturday and all three stands to sing Paolo's name throughout the game. This will inspire the players too as they clearly desperately want the gaffer to stay. COYR's[/p][/quote]Ludicrous. Cannot blame the people of Wiltshire. They have the right to attend what games they choose to. Its the same almost everywhere for clubs our size. The club should be managed accordingly. I realise a better support would be great for all but we all know attendances go up depending on the opposition and occasion. Football is expensive and a luxury for most. People of Wiltshire as a scapegoat for this situation is comical.[/p][/quote]No it is not,if 30000 can find the the time to attend wembley then surely a large proportion could afford/be bothered to attend the CG, yes times are hard and some really cant afford the luxury of football but if we get drawn against a big club tomorrow, a large crowd and probably a packed CG would be guaranteed.If us Town fans want highly quality football then they have to except they have a duty to attend whenever possible.[/p][/quote]You seem to forget the not all of the 30,000 that went to Wembley are from Wiltshire. Wow, I love reading these comments, it just shows that some of our fans are complete idiots. Yes, not everyone went because they are Town fans, some wanted the opportunity to say they have been to Wembley, maybe taking their children there as well, fulfilling a dream? Have you ever thought about that? At the end of the day it is everyone's personal choice if they attend matches, are you going to go knock on 30,000 peoples houses and tell them to get down to the CG? I didn't think so. LegendSTFC
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12:11pm Mon 4 Feb 13

Pewsham Red says...

Stilloyal wrote:
I still maintain that the people of Wiltshire should shoulder much of the blame for our finacial shortcomings.
If more came to the games regularly then the whole situation improves dramatically.
On the whole gates this season are no better than last. We are in a great position for promotion but still the people don't show. If we fail to get automatic promotion but get to the play off final then you can garauntee 30,000 "LOYAL" fans will be there.

We need to get a good attendance on Saturday and all three stands to sing Paolo's name throughout the game. This will inspire the players too as they clearly desperately want the gaffer to stay.

COYR's
Partly, Still Loyal, but if people don't want to come, then that is their prerogative.

Essentially, our spending is too big for our revenue, so if we can't increase revenue, we have to reduce our spending and therefore accept that we will remain a lower league club.

This is probably the reality unless we can find someone with bottomless pockets and why teams like Rochdale, Bury and most of leagues 1 and 2 will remain there for the foreseeable future.
[quote][p][bold]Stilloyal[/bold] wrote: I still maintain that the people of Wiltshire should shoulder much of the blame for our finacial shortcomings. If more came to the games regularly then the whole situation improves dramatically. On the whole gates this season are no better than last. We are in a great position for promotion but still the people don't show. If we fail to get automatic promotion but get to the play off final then you can garauntee 30,000 "LOYAL" fans will be there. We need to get a good attendance on Saturday and all three stands to sing Paolo's name throughout the game. This will inspire the players too as they clearly desperately want the gaffer to stay. COYR's[/p][/quote]Partly, Still Loyal, but if people don't want to come, then that is their prerogative. Essentially, our spending is too big for our revenue, so if we can't increase revenue, we have to reduce our spending and therefore accept that we will remain a lower league club. This is probably the reality unless we can find someone with bottomless pockets and why teams like Rochdale, Bury and most of leagues 1 and 2 will remain there for the foreseeable future. Pewsham Red
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12:20pm Mon 4 Feb 13

Another view says...

"Match-fixing: Champions League tie played in England 'was fixed' " BBC site.

- Well it's good to know they can't blame this one on us...or can they? :-(
"Match-fixing: Champions League tie played in England 'was fixed' " BBC site. - Well it's good to know they can't blame this one on us...or can they? :-( Another view
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12:22pm Mon 4 Feb 13

Since 1950 says...

super reds wrote:
Since 1950 wrote:
rockdog wrote: The old board sold Ritchie not the new one. So they did the dirty on Paolo. I hope he will hear what the new board has to say before he decides to jump ship. The new board's statements so far have been very positive and if we get the three players in by the end of the week, while he will be missed, they will more than compensate for the loss of Ritchie. So I think that the ''legend'' will stay, after all it is ''his'' club.
Let's all hope you're right rockdog. Let's hope you're right! However, wasn't it at the new boards insistance that Richie was sold?
Did you not read the article, it early states that it was Blacks choice to sell MR
Yes I did. Did you? It wasn't his 'choice', he was put in a corner - if you have read all the other articles on the subject.

"I did sanction the sale of Ritchie. I blocked it the first time it came up" (in the negociations) "but agree to it later as I believed it had to happen". (for the sale to go through).

What I will never get my head around though is why no one had the common decency to tell Paolo what was happening, regardless who who decision it was.

He appeared gutted on Saturday and looked like he hadn't slept for about 3 days.
[quote][p][bold]super reds[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Since 1950[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]rockdog[/bold] wrote: The old board sold Ritchie not the new one. So they did the dirty on Paolo. I hope he will hear what the new board has to say before he decides to jump ship. The new board's statements so far have been very positive and if we get the three players in by the end of the week, while he will be missed, they will more than compensate for the loss of Ritchie. So I think that the ''legend'' will stay, after all it is ''his'' club.[/p][/quote]Let's all hope you're right rockdog. Let's hope you're right! However, wasn't it at the new boards insistance that Richie was sold?[/p][/quote]Did you not read the article, it early states that it was Blacks choice to sell MR[/p][/quote]Yes I did. Did you? It wasn't his 'choice', he was put in a corner - if you have read all the other articles on the subject. "I did sanction the sale of Ritchie. I blocked it the first time it came up" (in the negociations) "but agree to it later as I believed it had to happen". (for the sale to go through). What I will never get my head around though is why no one had the common decency to tell Paolo what was happening, regardless who who decision it was. He appeared gutted on Saturday and looked like he hadn't slept for about 3 days. Since 1950
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12:22pm Mon 4 Feb 13

stokes_stfc says...

Pewsham Red wrote:
Stilloyal wrote:
I still maintain that the people of Wiltshire should shoulder much of the blame for our finacial shortcomings.
If more came to the games regularly then the whole situation improves dramatically.
On the whole gates this season are no better than last. We are in a great position for promotion but still the people don't show. If we fail to get automatic promotion but get to the play off final then you can garauntee 30,000 "LOYAL" fans will be there.

We need to get a good attendance on Saturday and all three stands to sing Paolo's name throughout the game. This will inspire the players too as they clearly desperately want the gaffer to stay.

COYR's
Partly, Still Loyal, but if people don't want to come, then that is their prerogative.

Essentially, our spending is too big for our revenue, so if we can't increase revenue, we have to reduce our spending and therefore accept that we will remain a lower league club.

This is probably the reality unless we can find someone with bottomless pockets and why teams like Rochdale, Bury and most of leagues 1 and 2 will remain there for the foreseeable future.
Stillloyal, I was at Wembley but I don't go to all that many home games. I live in Ipswich, so have a 340 mile round trip to get to the County Ground and back. I do consider myself a loyal fan of the club, and STFC is something that is incredibally important to me. Add in the fact that I have to work about 1 weekend a month, means I can't get to a lot of home games. I go to the games when I can make it back to wiltshire, and I will be there in Colchester tomorrow, but I think there were a lot of fans like me at Wembley who don't live anywhere near Swindon any more....
[quote][p][bold]Pewsham Red[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Stilloyal[/bold] wrote: I still maintain that the people of Wiltshire should shoulder much of the blame for our finacial shortcomings. If more came to the games regularly then the whole situation improves dramatically. On the whole gates this season are no better than last. We are in a great position for promotion but still the people don't show. If we fail to get automatic promotion but get to the play off final then you can garauntee 30,000 "LOYAL" fans will be there. We need to get a good attendance on Saturday and all three stands to sing Paolo's name throughout the game. This will inspire the players too as they clearly desperately want the gaffer to stay. COYR's[/p][/quote]Partly, Still Loyal, but if people don't want to come, then that is their prerogative. Essentially, our spending is too big for our revenue, so if we can't increase revenue, we have to reduce our spending and therefore accept that we will remain a lower league club. This is probably the reality unless we can find someone with bottomless pockets and why teams like Rochdale, Bury and most of leagues 1 and 2 will remain there for the foreseeable future.[/p][/quote]Stillloyal, I was at Wembley but I don't go to all that many home games. I live in Ipswich, so have a 340 mile round trip to get to the County Ground and back. I do consider myself a loyal fan of the club, and STFC is something that is incredibally important to me. Add in the fact that I have to work about 1 weekend a month, means I can't get to a lot of home games. I go to the games when I can make it back to wiltshire, and I will be there in Colchester tomorrow, but I think there were a lot of fans like me at Wembley who don't live anywhere near Swindon any more.... stokes_stfc
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12:30pm Mon 4 Feb 13

Since 1950 says...

eddyxx wrote:
Could it be that Pdc has a contract that guarantees squad investment and with a championship club you would suddenly see increased investment from an unwilling chairman, no disrespect to black because the other members of his board lumbered him with a big cash cow. this could be where pdc is quoting breach of contract
I don't think Town could be discribed as 'a cash cow'. If it were there wouldn't be a problem, or it would be a nice one to have. Think you'll find Town are more of a 'problem child'.
[quote][p][bold]eddyxx[/bold] wrote: Could it be that Pdc has a contract that guarantees squad investment and with a championship club you would suddenly see increased investment from an unwilling chairman, no disrespect to black because the other members of his board lumbered him with a big cash cow. this could be where pdc is quoting breach of contract[/p][/quote]I don't think Town could be discribed as 'a cash cow'. If it were there wouldn't be a problem, or it would be a nice one to have. Think you'll find Town are more of a 'problem child'. Since 1950
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12:32pm Mon 4 Feb 13

BillyLucas4me says...

There is a man who likes a gamble with unknown talents but he has already had experience of supporting a top UK Club.

Alan Sugar could be tempted if PDC is still involved.

We are fired but.................
.stranger things have happened. Why not give him a ring he can only say no or P...O..
There is a man who likes a gamble with unknown talents but he has already had experience of supporting a top UK Club. Alan Sugar could be tempted if PDC is still involved. We are fired but................. .stranger things have happened. Why not give him a ring he can only say no or P...O.. BillyLucas4me
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12:34pm Mon 4 Feb 13

Guv says...

the good news is that PDC will be looked after by the new owner, it's going to be a testing period but PDC is part of the new owners plan and things appear very calm, the meeting went well and PDC looks to be feeling a little more positive. Football league should give approval tomorrow/Wednesday and new players could yet still be allowed to join us before the emergency window as paper work was submitted within time, altough these players didn't sign, this was down to totally to the new football league rules.

There shouldn't be any issue with J and B taking over the club.

The delay wasn't just down to the football league, the loan J & B took to purchase the club had a few hiccups along the way, but it's all relative calm now.

Lets just hope a certain Mr B can do what he promised for our PDC! That's where the biggest problem occurs, not so much the player being sold, but the promise made that even up until last week was still being promised, then out of the blue Thursday he was let down.

So there is some good news at the long messy fiasco as I informed you.

Fans, your support to PDC has been heart touching, he will announce to you that he has never felt so loved in all his footballing life. You touched him!
the good news is that PDC will be looked after by the new owner, it's going to be a testing period but PDC is part of the new owners plan and things appear very calm, the meeting went well and PDC looks to be feeling a little more positive. Football league should give approval tomorrow/Wednesday and new players could yet still be allowed to join us before the emergency window as paper work was submitted within time, altough these players didn't sign, this was down to totally to the new football league rules. There shouldn't be any issue with J and B taking over the club. The delay wasn't just down to the football league, the loan J & B took to purchase the club had a few hiccups along the way, but it's all relative calm now. Lets just hope a certain Mr B can do what he promised for our PDC! That's where the biggest problem occurs, not so much the player being sold, but the promise made that even up until last week was still being promised, then out of the blue Thursday he was let down. So there is some good news at the long messy fiasco as I informed you. Fans, your support to PDC has been heart touching, he will announce to you that he has never felt so loved in all his footballing life. You touched him! Guv
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12:38pm Mon 4 Feb 13

southwest man says...

Stilloyal wrote:
I still maintain that the people of Wiltshire should shoulder much of the blame for our finacial shortcomings.
If more came to the games regularly then the whole situation improves dramatically.
On the whole gates this season are no better than last. We are in a great position for promotion but still the people don't show. If we fail to get automatic promotion but get to the play off final then you can garauntee 30,000 "LOYAL" fans will be there.

We need to get a good attendance on Saturday and all three stands to sing Paolo's name throughout the game. This will inspire the players too as they clearly desperately want the gaffer to stay.

COYR's
I disagree why should the people of Wiltshire have to take some of the blame.Some people cannot afford to go to many games.The board set a budget for the season,what is spent is down to them.The gates Swindon achieve is about the best they will get.Its been about the same for years,when we have been doing well.Its frustrating but it is a fact,we cannot draw bigger crowds at this level.And not much more if we went up.Away support would be higher.Crowds between 10,000 and 12,000 is still not very good for the championship,and we would be small fry in that league.For us to survive would need very deep pockets.But we fans can only pay so much,and go when we can.But we can hope!
[quote][p][bold]Stilloyal[/bold] wrote: I still maintain that the people of Wiltshire should shoulder much of the blame for our finacial shortcomings. If more came to the games regularly then the whole situation improves dramatically. On the whole gates this season are no better than last. We are in a great position for promotion but still the people don't show. If we fail to get automatic promotion but get to the play off final then you can garauntee 30,000 "LOYAL" fans will be there. We need to get a good attendance on Saturday and all three stands to sing Paolo's name throughout the game. This will inspire the players too as they clearly desperately want the gaffer to stay. COYR's[/p][/quote]I disagree why should the people of Wiltshire have to take some of the blame.Some people cannot afford to go to many games.The board set a budget for the season,what is spent is down to them.The gates Swindon achieve is about the best they will get.Its been about the same for years,when we have been doing well.Its frustrating but it is a fact,we cannot draw bigger crowds at this level.And not much more if we went up.Away support would be higher.Crowds between 10,000 and 12,000 is still not very good for the championship,and we would be small fry in that league.For us to survive would need very deep pockets.But we fans can only pay so much,and go when we can.But we can hope! southwest man
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12:50pm Mon 4 Feb 13

Is that you Lovesey says...

OMG this is hard work on here today....

I went to Crawley on Saturday, just in case it is PDC's last game.

1. There is a lot going on behind the scenes we don't know about, i am taking this from Paolo saying that he has been working difficult circumstances since Wray went and the Tweets from Andrew black recently

2. I will be forever grateful to the Fitton consortium for what they have done and if its true that they have written off 10 million to allow the sale to go through then fair play.

3. PDC has to realise that he has wasted some money, which is ultimately why we are where we are, we can't keep buying players and then giving them away, or loaning big wage players like Bostock and not playing them.

4. PDC is the best manager I have seen at this club for a very very long time and I will be gutted if he goes.

5. AB did state that the sale of Ritchie was with the new owners consent and was to cover the finances in this transition period, if that had to happen to keep the club going, then whilst I wish it were not so, I understand.
OMG this is hard work on here today.... I went to Crawley on Saturday, just in case it is PDC's last game. 1. There is a lot going on behind the scenes we don't know about, i am taking this from Paolo saying that he has been working difficult circumstances since Wray went and the Tweets from Andrew black recently 2. I will be forever grateful to the Fitton consortium for what they have done and if its true that they have written off 10 million to allow the sale to go through then fair play. 3. PDC has to realise that he has wasted some money, which is ultimately why we are where we are, we can't keep buying players and then giving them away, or loaning big wage players like Bostock and not playing them. 4. PDC is the best manager I have seen at this club for a very very long time and I will be gutted if he goes. 5. AB did state that the sale of Ritchie was with the new owners consent and was to cover the finances in this transition period, if that had to happen to keep the club going, then whilst I wish it were not so, I understand. Is that you Lovesey
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12:56pm Mon 4 Feb 13

Swindon1984 says...

southwest man wrote:
Stilloyal wrote: I still maintain that the people of Wiltshire should shoulder much of the blame for our finacial shortcomings. If more came to the games regularly then the whole situation improves dramatically. On the whole gates this season are no better than last. We are in a great position for promotion but still the people don't show. If we fail to get automatic promotion but get to the play off final then you can garauntee 30,000 "LOYAL" fans will be there. We need to get a good attendance on Saturday and all three stands to sing Paolo's name throughout the game. This will inspire the players too as they clearly desperately want the gaffer to stay. COYR's
I disagree why should the people of Wiltshire have to take some of the blame.Some people cannot afford to go to many games.The board set a budget for the season,what is spent is down to them.The gates Swindon achieve is about the best they will get.Its been about the same for years,when we have been doing well.Its frustrating but it is a fact,we cannot draw bigger crowds at this level.And not much more if we went up.Away support would be higher.Crowds between 10,000 and 12,000 is still not very good for the championship,and we would be small fry in that league.For us to survive would need very deep pockets.But we fans can only pay so much,and go when we can.But we can hope!
Equally by that logic the owners can only put in so much - pumping millions after millions into a club is crazy and the double standards some people have is unreal, asking either side to give up half a million of their own money to take us through the transition (Black spending 500k to keep alive a club he's trying to sell, or the "potential" new owners, putting in 500k to help a club they don't yet - and may not ever - own). Just cause these people are wealthier than most of us doesn't mean it's reasonable to **** away vast amounts of cash they've spent years earning just to indulge us!

Yes, Black knew what he was getting into and anyone who "invests" in a football club shouldn't expect to make money from it in this day and age, but as he's trying to sell, and in a decent manner as far as I can see, it's not reasonable to ask him to put any more cash in. If the club is only ever going to attract around 10k even at championship level, how could you ever expect anyone to want to jump on board, unless they were both mega rich and a die hard town fan who'd lose money just to see the team succeed?

Basically then everyone has to shoulder some of the blame, if the fans don't turn up, the club won't grow. If the club doesn't grow, we can forget about playing at a higher level, as no-one's going to fund our pipedreams out of their own pockets indefinitely. Eventually, they'll want to get to a stage where we're at least breaking even, and we'll need far more turning up on a Saturday on a regular basis if that's ever going to happen. Not every club can be successful, and whilst I'd like to think our natural level is about mid table in the championship, we'll only be able to sustain that with responsible ownership, sound finances and high attendances.

The tragedy is after all the success and optimism over the last year and a bit, we're now seeing how easily things can fall apart if what's going on off the field isn't right.
[quote][p][bold]southwest man[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Stilloyal[/bold] wrote: I still maintain that the people of Wiltshire should shoulder much of the blame for our finacial shortcomings. If more came to the games regularly then the whole situation improves dramatically. On the whole gates this season are no better than last. We are in a great position for promotion but still the people don't show. If we fail to get automatic promotion but get to the play off final then you can garauntee 30,000 "LOYAL" fans will be there. We need to get a good attendance on Saturday and all three stands to sing Paolo's name throughout the game. This will inspire the players too as they clearly desperately want the gaffer to stay. COYR's[/p][/quote]I disagree why should the people of Wiltshire have to take some of the blame.Some people cannot afford to go to many games.The board set a budget for the season,what is spent is down to them.The gates Swindon achieve is about the best they will get.Its been about the same for years,when we have been doing well.Its frustrating but it is a fact,we cannot draw bigger crowds at this level.And not much more if we went up.Away support would be higher.Crowds between 10,000 and 12,000 is still not very good for the championship,and we would be small fry in that league.For us to survive would need very deep pockets.But we fans can only pay so much,and go when we can.But we can hope![/p][/quote]Equally by that logic the owners can only put in so much - pumping millions after millions into a club is crazy and the double standards some people have is unreal, asking either side to give up half a million of their own money to take us through the transition (Black spending 500k to keep alive a club he's trying to sell, or the "potential" new owners, putting in 500k to help a club they don't yet - and may not ever - own). Just cause these people are wealthier than most of us doesn't mean it's reasonable to **** away vast amounts of cash they've spent years earning just to indulge us! Yes, Black knew what he was getting into and anyone who "invests" in a football club shouldn't expect to make money from it in this day and age, but as he's trying to sell, and in a decent manner as far as I can see, it's not reasonable to ask him to put any more cash in. If the club is only ever going to attract around 10k even at championship level, how could you ever expect anyone to want to jump on board, unless they were both mega rich and a die hard town fan who'd lose money just to see the team succeed? Basically then everyone has to shoulder some of the blame, if the fans don't turn up, the club won't grow. If the club doesn't grow, we can forget about playing at a higher level, as no-one's going to fund our pipedreams out of their own pockets indefinitely. Eventually, they'll want to get to a stage where we're at least breaking even, and we'll need far more turning up on a Saturday on a regular basis if that's ever going to happen. Not every club can be successful, and whilst I'd like to think our natural level is about mid table in the championship, we'll only be able to sustain that with responsible ownership, sound finances and high attendances. The tragedy is after all the success and optimism over the last year and a bit, we're now seeing how easily things can fall apart if what's going on off the field isn't right. Swindon1984
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1:04pm Mon 4 Feb 13

Oi Den! says...

Excellent stuff Lovesey and '84.
Excellent stuff Lovesey and '84. Oi Den!
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1:05pm Mon 4 Feb 13

Highworth red says...

Nobody likes change, not us Town fans, not Paolo and not his players. It causes worry, uncertainty and it must be a distraction to all at the club. If Paolo is not totally focused and his heart is no longer here then maybe it is best that he leaves. More importantly, my worry is that The Football League does not approve the takeover, we are in deep trouble then. After much thought, I believe that although all of this trouble has been caused by Mr Black, I do not blame him for the current situation, he has supported Paolo and financially supported the club for some time now and if it is affecting his health and finances, then who wouldn't do the same. At the moment though, we are in limbo and it's not a nice place to be.
Nobody likes change, not us Town fans, not Paolo and not his players. It causes worry, uncertainty and it must be a distraction to all at the club. If Paolo is not totally focused and his heart is no longer here then maybe it is best that he leaves. More importantly, my worry is that The Football League does not approve the takeover, we are in deep trouble then. After much thought, I believe that although all of this trouble has been caused by Mr Black, I do not blame him for the current situation, he has supported Paolo and financially supported the club for some time now and if it is affecting his health and finances, then who wouldn't do the same. At the moment though, we are in limbo and it's not a nice place to be. Highworth red
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1:14pm Mon 4 Feb 13

Stratton Red says...

LegendSTFC wrote:
Steve. Brentford wrote:
stfc2012 wrote:
Stilloyal wrote: I still maintain that the people of Wiltshire should shoulder much of the blame for our finacial shortcomings. If more came to the games regularly then the whole situation improves dramatically. On the whole gates this season are no better than last. We are in a great position for promotion but still the people don't show. If we fail to get automatic promotion but get to the play off final then you can garauntee 30,000 "LOYAL" fans will be there. We need to get a good attendance on Saturday and all three stands to sing Paolo's name throughout the game. This will inspire the players too as they clearly desperately want the gaffer to stay. COYR's
Ludicrous. Cannot blame the people of Wiltshire. They have the right to attend what games they choose to. Its the same almost everywhere for clubs our size. The club should be managed accordingly. I realise a better support would be great for all but we all know attendances go up depending on the opposition and occasion. Football is expensive and a luxury for most. People of Wiltshire as a scapegoat for this situation is comical.
No it is not,if 30000 can find the the time to attend wembley then surely a large proportion could afford/be bothered to attend the CG, yes times are hard and some really cant afford the luxury of football but if we get drawn against a big club tomorrow, a large crowd and probably a packed CG would be guaranteed.If us Town fans want highly quality football then they have to except they have a duty to attend whenever possible.
You seem to forget the not all of the 30,000 that went to Wembley are from Wiltshire. Wow, I love reading these comments, it just shows that some of our fans are complete idiots. Yes, not everyone went because they are Town fans, some wanted the opportunity to say they have been to Wembley, maybe taking their children there as well, fulfilling a dream? Have you ever thought about that? At the end of the day it is everyone's personal choice if they attend matches, are you going to go knock on 30,000 peoples houses and tell them to get down to the CG? I didn't think so.
Surely there is a half-way view here...
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There were members of my family e.g. the wags that went to Wembley for the big family day that are not interested in going week in week (and I wouldn't want them too...). There are those that live away. However, I know loads of "Swindon fans", that have an opinion on all things STFC, live in Swindon, have the money but very, very rarely come to games. It are the "fans" in this category that hurt our chances of success.
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Even when Fitton tried giving away season tickets we couldn't get the right amount of committment, which for a town with a population of 120,000 + the Wltshire catchment is really quite poor...
[quote][p][bold]LegendSTFC[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Steve. Brentford[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]stfc2012[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Stilloyal[/bold] wrote: I still maintain that the people of Wiltshire should shoulder much of the blame for our finacial shortcomings. If more came to the games regularly then the whole situation improves dramatically. On the whole gates this season are no better than last. We are in a great position for promotion but still the people don't show. If we fail to get automatic promotion but get to the play off final then you can garauntee 30,000 "LOYAL" fans will be there. We need to get a good attendance on Saturday and all three stands to sing Paolo's name throughout the game. This will inspire the players too as they clearly desperately want the gaffer to stay. COYR's[/p][/quote]Ludicrous. Cannot blame the people of Wiltshire. They have the right to attend what games they choose to. Its the same almost everywhere for clubs our size. The club should be managed accordingly. I realise a better support would be great for all but we all know attendances go up depending on the opposition and occasion. Football is expensive and a luxury for most. People of Wiltshire as a scapegoat for this situation is comical.[/p][/quote]No it is not,if 30000 can find the the time to attend wembley then surely a large proportion could afford/be bothered to attend the CG, yes times are hard and some really cant afford the luxury of football but if we get drawn against a big club tomorrow, a large crowd and probably a packed CG would be guaranteed.If us Town fans want highly quality football then they have to except they have a duty to attend whenever possible.[/p][/quote]You seem to forget the not all of the 30,000 that went to Wembley are from Wiltshire. Wow, I love reading these comments, it just shows that some of our fans are complete idiots. Yes, not everyone went because they are Town fans, some wanted the opportunity to say they have been to Wembley, maybe taking their children there as well, fulfilling a dream? Have you ever thought about that? At the end of the day it is everyone's personal choice if they attend matches, are you going to go knock on 30,000 peoples houses and tell them to get down to the CG? I didn't think so.[/p][/quote]Surely there is a half-way view here... * There were members of my family e.g. the wags that went to Wembley for the big family day that are not interested in going week in week (and I wouldn't want them too...). There are those that live away. However, I know loads of "Swindon fans", that have an opinion on all things STFC, live in Swindon, have the money but very, very rarely come to games. It are the "fans" in this category that hurt our chances of success. * Even when Fitton tried giving away season tickets we couldn't get the right amount of committment, which for a town with a population of 120,000 + the Wltshire catchment is really quite poor... Stratton Red
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1:23pm Mon 4 Feb 13

davel4848 says...

OMG. Guv is back from Oxford again, spouting his usual rubbish.
OMG. Guv is back from Oxford again, spouting his usual rubbish. davel4848
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1:25pm Mon 4 Feb 13

Davidsyrett says...

davel4848 wrote:
OMG. Guv is back from Oxford again, spouting his usual rubbish.
We're trying to ignore him.
[quote][p][bold]davel4848[/bold] wrote: OMG. Guv is back from Oxford again, spouting his usual rubbish.[/p][/quote]We're trying to ignore him. Davidsyrett
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1:30pm Mon 4 Feb 13

Guv says...

Because i have been soooo wrong all the way......... not.......
Because i have been soooo wrong all the way......... not....... Guv
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1:34pm Mon 4 Feb 13

Guv says...

Well I have a very interesting update which true fans will find interesting, those fans know who they are and I will check back later, I know they are probably at work right now) not living off my taxes like these armchair fans.
Well I have a very interesting update which true fans will find interesting, those fans know who they are and I will check back later, I know they are probably at work right now) not living off my taxes like these armchair fans. Guv
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1:44pm Mon 4 Feb 13

London Red says...

Lovesey - lets not forget we were in debt to Black and Co the tune of £9.3m at the end of 2011 - which is before PdC was appointed!
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PdC may be responsible for some of the losses in 2012 (not all as we did budget for a loss to start with!)
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Also this year we are also under budget in terms of playing staff (PdC in the Town of Sale Article) and are ahead of our budget in terms of revenue (Watkins in town unique proposition Article) so this year he is helping to deliver a LOWER than budgeted loss!
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Therefore, he certainly can not and should not take the blame for anywhere near the total amount owed to Black and Co
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The pay-offs (the only part he could be blamed for) will total a tiny fraction of the total debt
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2011 accounts stated our net loss from post balance sheet activities was only £500k
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This figure inlcuded the net outlay of Connell, Smith, Rooney, Wes, Timlin and Benyon

But also included paying off McGovern, Lucas, Amankwaah and Comazzi - showing that not all pay offs are massive - otherwise we got some real bargains! (and note 2 were not from PdC!)
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Now anyone who thinks we are paying players millions in pay-offs is totally deluded and the total will not 7 figures!
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The majority of debt has come from clearing of the prior regimes debt (Tax bill, CVA final payments, St Modwin fiasco etc etc)
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Then the rest would have come from the AGREED budgeted losses under Malpas, Wilson as well as PdC
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The board agreed to these so have to take responsibility for these!
Lovesey - lets not forget we were in debt to Black and Co the tune of £9.3m at the end of 2011 - which is before PdC was appointed! . PdC may be responsible for some of the losses in 2012 (not all as we did budget for a loss to start with!) . Also this year we are also under budget in terms of playing staff (PdC in the Town of Sale Article) and are ahead of our budget in terms of revenue (Watkins in town unique proposition Article) so this year he is helping to deliver a LOWER than budgeted loss! . Therefore, he certainly can not and should not take the blame for anywhere near the total amount owed to Black and Co . The pay-offs (the only part he could be blamed for) will total a tiny fraction of the total debt . 2011 accounts stated our net loss from post balance sheet activities was only £500k . This figure inlcuded the net outlay of Connell, Smith, Rooney, Wes, Timlin and Benyon But also included paying off McGovern, Lucas, Amankwaah and Comazzi - showing that not all pay offs are massive - otherwise we got some real bargains! (and note 2 were not from PdC!) . Now anyone who thinks we are paying players millions in pay-offs is totally deluded and the total will not 7 figures! . The majority of debt has come from clearing of the prior regimes debt (Tax bill, CVA final payments, St Modwin fiasco etc etc) . Then the rest would have come from the AGREED budgeted losses under Malpas, Wilson as well as PdC . The board agreed to these so have to take responsibility for these! London Red
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2:21pm Mon 4 Feb 13

sagadude says...

This is fresh from "football rumours":

Paolo Di Canio is set for talks with the new owners this week, (provided the football league ratify the deal) Swindon fans have Phil Spencer to thank for PDC not resigning after the Crawley game, Phil convinced him to see this through until the end of the season if the new board will back him and sign the three players that were blocked a week ago, although it is now thought that Bradley wright Philips is no longer interested so Pack and Green will sign.

so its all in the new boards hands, there is much much more than all the swindon fans know going on behind the scenes including a failed takeover attempt by Fitton trying to undermine AB and stop the takeover happening. This will all come out soon.
This is fresh from "football rumours": Paolo Di Canio is set for talks with the new owners this week, (provided the football league ratify the deal) Swindon fans have Phil Spencer to thank for PDC not resigning after the Crawley game, Phil convinced him to see this through until the end of the season if the new board will back him and sign the three players that were blocked a week ago, although it is now thought that Bradley wright Philips is no longer interested so Pack and Green will sign. so its all in the new boards hands, there is much much more than all the swindon fans know going on behind the scenes including a failed takeover attempt by Fitton trying to undermine AB and stop the takeover happening. This will all come out soon. sagadude
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2:26pm Mon 4 Feb 13

burley01rs says...

We were told in mid January we would not have enough working capital for February.
Mr. Black might have been slow in wishing to get out but we would have gone into Admin if sale not agreed ASAP. FL normal delay so we needed money. Russians at Bournemouth prepared to pay up front 2 more months of working capital by buying Matt Ritchie.
Just hope Fl clear takeover. Up to PDc to decide what he wants to do. He obviously missed out in the loop but he could have delayed it dangerously by arguing.
Keep the faith and believe in Mr. Watkins a real gent.
We were told in mid January we would not have enough working capital for February. Mr. Black might have been slow in wishing to get out but we would have gone into Admin if sale not agreed ASAP. FL normal delay so we needed money. Russians at Bournemouth prepared to pay up front 2 more months of working capital by buying Matt Ritchie. Just hope Fl clear takeover. Up to PDc to decide what he wants to do. He obviously missed out in the loop but he could have delayed it dangerously by arguing. Keep the faith and believe in Mr. Watkins a real gent. burley01rs
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2:26pm Mon 4 Feb 13

Another view says...

Oi Den! says...
1:04pm Mon 4 Feb 13
Excellent stuff Lovesey and '84.

- Yes. A bit of a dampener but realistic. If Paolo can work within a budget, as he seems to be doing these days then the club should remain healthy - assuming of course the 101 other things fall into place!
Oi Den! says... 1:04pm Mon 4 Feb 13 Excellent stuff Lovesey and '84. - Yes. A bit of a dampener but realistic. If Paolo can work within a budget, as he seems to be doing these days then the club should remain healthy - assuming of course the 101 other things fall into place! Another view
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2:31pm Mon 4 Feb 13

alchafreds says...

stfc2012 wrote:
Stilloyal wrote:
I still maintain that the people of Wiltshire should shoulder much of the blame for our finacial shortcomings.
If more came to the games regularly then the whole situation improves dramatically.
On the whole gates this season are no better than last. We are in a great position for promotion but still the people don't show. If we fail to get automatic promotion but get to the play off final then you can garauntee 30,000 "LOYAL" fans will be there.

We need to get a good attendance on Saturday and all three stands to sing Paolo's name throughout the game. This will inspire the players too as they clearly desperately want the gaffer to stay.

COYR's
Ludicrous. Cannot blame the people of Wiltshire. They have the right to attend what games they choose to. Its the same almost everywhere for clubs our size. The club should be managed accordingly. I realise a better support would be great for all but we all know attendances go up depending on the opposition and occasion. Football is expensive and a luxury for most. People of Wiltshire as a scapegoat for this situation is comical.
its not ludicrous its a valid point as most of those 22,000 glory supporters will be having plenty to say now yes they do have the right to choose games but if it means that the club is goin because of financial reasons they cant moan cos as you say they had a choice
[quote][p][bold]stfc2012[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Stilloyal[/bold] wrote: I still maintain that the people of Wiltshire should shoulder much of the blame for our finacial shortcomings. If more came to the games regularly then the whole situation improves dramatically. On the whole gates this season are no better than last. We are in a great position for promotion but still the people don't show. If we fail to get automatic promotion but get to the play off final then you can garauntee 30,000 "LOYAL" fans will be there. We need to get a good attendance on Saturday and all three stands to sing Paolo's name throughout the game. This will inspire the players too as they clearly desperately want the gaffer to stay. COYR's[/p][/quote]Ludicrous. Cannot blame the people of Wiltshire. They have the right to attend what games they choose to. Its the same almost everywhere for clubs our size. The club should be managed accordingly. I realise a better support would be great for all but we all know attendances go up depending on the opposition and occasion. Football is expensive and a luxury for most. People of Wiltshire as a scapegoat for this situation is comical.[/p][/quote]its not ludicrous its a valid point as most of those 22,000 glory supporters will be having plenty to say now yes they do have the right to choose games but if it means that the club is goin because of financial reasons they cant moan cos as you say they had a choice alchafreds
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2:37pm Mon 4 Feb 13

mallorca says...

What a sad sad situation.At the end of the day I just think Pdc has wasted a great deal with giving long contracts and falling out with players and paying them off.Much as I like PB no wonder he hung on until the last min before moving.
AB just I guess did not want to throw away 250000 a month. He had his reasons for wanting out.
As for the new owners yes we await the outcome of the FL to sanction the takeover.
I do believe if all goes ok there will be big changes ahead for our club.
Pdc may leave however I think he will see this season through.Again I guess he is on a high salary and may not be so easy to find another job with the freedom he has had.
So it is a wait and see situation I also feel the club will get promoted as long as they can avoid administration and by all accounts the MR sale went a long way to the clubs survival.
None of us know what has gone on or what may happen so running around like headless chickens aint the answer
What a sad sad situation.At the end of the day I just think Pdc has wasted a great deal with giving long contracts and falling out with players and paying them off.Much as I like PB no wonder he hung on until the last min before moving. AB just I guess did not want to throw away 250000 a month. He had his reasons for wanting out. As for the new owners yes we await the outcome of the FL to sanction the takeover. I do believe if all goes ok there will be big changes ahead for our club. Pdc may leave however I think he will see this season through.Again I guess he is on a high salary and may not be so easy to find another job with the freedom he has had. So it is a wait and see situation I also feel the club will get promoted as long as they can avoid administration and by all accounts the MR sale went a long way to the clubs survival. None of us know what has gone on or what may happen so running around like headless chickens aint the answer mallorca
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2:44pm Mon 4 Feb 13

MarksDad says...

Mallorca - How do you know what was spent and how much things cost. You repeat this accusation continuosly but the facts are you don't know. There may be the odd contribution on here about the club finances that is based on fact but I suspect they are very few and far between. The only facts we all know is that the club is in the process of changing owners and despite what we may like we will have to wait for hte outcome. Looking forward to not losing again tomorrow night and nervously awaiting the outcome of events.
Mallorca - How do you know what was spent and how much things cost. You repeat this accusation continuosly but the facts are you don't know. There may be the odd contribution on here about the club finances that is based on fact but I suspect they are very few and far between. The only facts we all know is that the club is in the process of changing owners and despite what we may like we will have to wait for hte outcome. Looking forward to not losing again tomorrow night and nervously awaiting the outcome of events. MarksDad
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2:47pm Mon 4 Feb 13

Stilloyal says...

ONLY FIFTEEN QUID ON SATURDAY ! Will we get anymore through the turnstiles ? not too many more I bet but it would be great to get over 10k to justify the lower price.
Over 5k season ticket holders so another 5 k @ £15 = £75k as opposed to 3k @ £25 = £75k same revenue but more noise and atmoshere so get your ar5es down the C.G.
ONLY FIFTEEN QUID ON SATURDAY ! Will we get anymore through the turnstiles ? not too many more I bet but it would be great to get over 10k to justify the lower price. Over 5k season ticket holders so another 5 k @ £15 = £75k as opposed to 3k @ £25 = £75k same revenue but more noise and atmoshere so get your ar5es down the C.G. Stilloyal
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2:55pm Mon 4 Feb 13

Stilloyal says...

Guv wrote:
Well I have a very interesting update which true fans will find interesting, those fans know who they are and I will check back later, I know they are probably at work right now) not living off my taxes like these armchair fans.
I'm retired and have paid my taxes so I'll come on here when I want. I'll post when I want, I'm retired so I'll post when I want !

All your info so far has been total b0ll0cks. The only thing you got right was Ritchie leaving but that was already out in the public domain in some quarters at least , so not an exclusive from you.

You are not a Swindon fan just a stirrer and wind up merchant.
My first game was in 1947 as a three year old , I'll buy an armchair when I cant afford a season ticket.
[quote][p][bold]Guv[/bold] wrote: Well I have a very interesting update which true fans will find interesting, those fans know who they are and I will check back later, I know they are probably at work right now) not living off my taxes like these armchair fans.[/p][/quote]I'm retired and have paid my taxes so I'll come on here when I want. I'll post when I want, I'm retired so I'll post when I want ! All your info so far has been total b0ll0cks. The only thing you got right was Ritchie leaving but that was already out in the public domain in some quarters at least , so not an exclusive from you. You are not a Swindon fan just a stirrer and wind up merchant. My first game was in 1947 as a three year old , I'll buy an armchair when I cant afford a season ticket. Stilloyal
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2:56pm Mon 4 Feb 13

Is that you Lovesey says...

loads of media gathered at the CG I hope its a pre match interview for tomorrows game and nothing else, there are all the nationals there.
loads of media gathered at the CG I hope its a pre match interview for tomorrows game and nothing else, there are all the nationals there. Is that you Lovesey
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2:59pm Mon 4 Feb 13

sadgit says...

Stilloyal wrote:
ONLY FIFTEEN QUID ON SATURDAY ! Will we get anymore through the turnstiles ? not too many more I bet but it would be great to get over 10k to justify the lower price. Over 5k season ticket holders so another 5 k @ £15 = £75k as opposed to 3k @ £25 = £75k same revenue but more noise and atmoshere so get your ar5es down the C.G.
Not forgetting its only £4 cheaper for Town Enders.
[quote][p][bold]Stilloyal[/bold] wrote: ONLY FIFTEEN QUID ON SATURDAY ! Will we get anymore through the turnstiles ? not too many more I bet but it would be great to get over 10k to justify the lower price. Over 5k season ticket holders so another 5 k @ £15 = £75k as opposed to 3k @ £25 = £75k same revenue but more noise and atmoshere so get your ar5es down the C.G.[/p][/quote]Not forgetting its only £4 cheaper for Town Enders. sadgit
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3:05pm Mon 4 Feb 13

Stilloyal says...

Is that you Lovesey wrote:
loads of media gathered at the CG I hope its a pre match interview for tomorrows game and nothing else, there are all the nationals there.
Poalo has again refused to answer any questions on his future when asked at lunchtime today...............
. according to BBC Wilts.

I believe he will stay after talks with the new board (pending F/L approval ) . He'll stay for the players and for the fans !
[quote][p][bold]Is that you Lovesey[/bold] wrote: loads of media gathered at the CG I hope its a pre match interview for tomorrows game and nothing else, there are all the nationals there.[/p][/quote]Poalo has again refused to answer any questions on his future when asked at lunchtime today............... . according to BBC Wilts. I believe he will stay after talks with the new board (pending F/L approval ) . He'll stay for the players and for the fans ! Stilloyal
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3:10pm Mon 4 Feb 13

Jeremy Hilary Boob says...

Stratton Red wrote:
LegendSTFC wrote:
Steve. Brentford wrote:
stfc2012 wrote:
Stilloyal wrote: I still maintain that the people of Wiltshire should shoulder much of the blame for our finacial shortcomings. If more came to the games regularly then the whole situation improves dramatically. On the whole gates this season are no better than last. We are in a great position for promotion but still the people don't show. If we fail to get automatic promotion but get to the play off final then you can garauntee 30,000 "LOYAL" fans will be there. We need to get a good attendance on Saturday and all three stands to sing Paolo's name throughout the game. This will inspire the players too as they clearly desperately want the gaffer to stay. COYR's
Ludicrous. Cannot blame the people of Wiltshire. They have the right to attend what games they choose to. Its the same almost everywhere for clubs our size. The club should be managed accordingly. I realise a better support would be great for all but we all know attendances go up depending on the opposition and occasion. Football is expensive and a luxury for most. People of Wiltshire as a scapegoat for this situation is comical.
No it is not,if 30000 can find the the time to attend wembley then surely a large proportion could afford/be bothered to attend the CG, yes times are hard and some really cant afford the luxury of football but if we get drawn against a big club tomorrow, a large crowd and probably a packed CG would be guaranteed.If us Town fans want highly quality football then they have to except they have a duty to attend whenever possible.
You seem to forget the not all of the 30,000 that went to Wembley are from Wiltshire. Wow, I love reading these comments, it just shows that some of our fans are complete idiots. Yes, not everyone went because they are Town fans, some wanted the opportunity to say they have been to Wembley, maybe taking their children there as well, fulfilling a dream? Have you ever thought about that? At the end of the day it is everyone's personal choice if they attend matches, are you going to go knock on 30,000 peoples houses and tell them to get down to the CG? I didn't think so.
Surely there is a half-way view here...
*
There were members of my family e.g. the wags that went to Wembley for the big family day that are not interested in going week in week (and I wouldn't want them too...). There are those that live away. However, I know loads of "Swindon fans", that have an opinion on all things STFC, live in Swindon, have the money but very, very rarely come to games. It are the "fans" in this category that hurt our chances of success.
*
Even when Fitton tried giving away season tickets we couldn't get the right amount of committment, which for a town with a population of 120,000 + the Wltshire catchment is really quite poor...
A lot of people in Swindon moved here but had no real ties and, when they moved here, weren't into football. It's only since the mid-90s that football has been seen as fashionable.

If these people have since been attracted to football, it's more likely they've got their Sky sub and that's it. Their kids will grow up in "supporting" ManYoo or Citeh or Chelski or another big PL team.

The challenge for the Town - and Swindon is perhaps unusual in this regard (which does give it potential the higher up the pyramid they are) - is to attract those kids to the CG.

They need some innovative things - quid a kid is all right, but you need to reach out to those whose parent(s) would never take them. Even if it's things like a scheme where the parents drop the kids off at a park and ride type place and the club buses them to the ground, looks after them during the match and then makes sure they're picked up afterwards.
[quote][p][bold]Stratton Red[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]LegendSTFC[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Steve. Brentford[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]stfc2012[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Stilloyal[/bold] wrote: I still maintain that the people of Wiltshire should shoulder much of the blame for our finacial shortcomings. If more came to the games regularly then the whole situation improves dramatically. On the whole gates this season are no better than last. We are in a great position for promotion but still the people don't show. If we fail to get automatic promotion but get to the play off final then you can garauntee 30,000 "LOYAL" fans will be there. We need to get a good attendance on Saturday and all three stands to sing Paolo's name throughout the game. This will inspire the players too as they clearly desperately want the gaffer to stay. COYR's[/p][/quote]Ludicrous. Cannot blame the people of Wiltshire. They have the right to attend what games they choose to. Its the same almost everywhere for clubs our size. The club should be managed accordingly. I realise a better support would be great for all but we all know attendances go up depending on the opposition and occasion. Football is expensive and a luxury for most. People of Wiltshire as a scapegoat for this situation is comical.[/p][/quote]No it is not,if 30000 can find the the time to attend wembley then surely a large proportion could afford/be bothered to attend the CG, yes times are hard and some really cant afford the luxury of football but if we get drawn against a big club tomorrow, a large crowd and probably a packed CG would be guaranteed.If us Town fans want highly quality football then they have to except they have a duty to attend whenever possible.[/p][/quote]You seem to forget the not all of the 30,000 that went to Wembley are from Wiltshire. Wow, I love reading these comments, it just shows that some of our fans are complete idiots. Yes, not everyone went because they are Town fans, some wanted the opportunity to say they have been to Wembley, maybe taking their children there as well, fulfilling a dream? Have you ever thought about that? At the end of the day it is everyone's personal choice if they attend matches, are you going to go knock on 30,000 peoples houses and tell them to get down to the CG? I didn't think so.[/p][/quote]Surely there is a half-way view here... * There were members of my family e.g. the wags that went to Wembley for the big family day that are not interested in going week in week (and I wouldn't want them too...). There are those that live away. However, I know loads of "Swindon fans", that have an opinion on all things STFC, live in Swindon, have the money but very, very rarely come to games. It are the "fans" in this category that hurt our chances of success. * Even when Fitton tried giving away season tickets we couldn't get the right amount of committment, which for a town with a population of 120,000 + the Wltshire catchment is really quite poor...[/p][/quote]A lot of people in Swindon moved here but had no real ties and, when they moved here, weren't into football. It's only since the mid-90s that football has been seen as fashionable. If these people have since been attracted to football, it's more likely they've got their Sky sub and that's it. Their kids will grow up in "supporting" ManYoo or Citeh or Chelski or another big PL team. The challenge for the Town - and Swindon is perhaps unusual in this regard (which does give it potential the higher up the pyramid they are) - is to attract those kids to the CG. They need some innovative things - quid a kid is all right, but you need to reach out to those whose parent(s) would never take them. Even if it's things like a scheme where the parents drop the kids off at a park and ride type place and the club buses them to the ground, looks after them during the match and then makes sure they're picked up afterwards. Jeremy Hilary Boob
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3:19pm Mon 4 Feb 13

Davidsyrett says...

mallorca wrote:
What a sad sad situation.At the end of the day I just think Pdc has wasted a great deal with giving long contracts and falling out with players and paying them off.Much as I like PB no wonder he hung on until the last min before moving.
AB just I guess did not want to throw away 250000 a month. He had his reasons for wanting out.
As for the new owners yes we await the outcome of the FL to sanction the takeover.
I do believe if all goes ok there will be big changes ahead for our club.
Pdc may leave however I think he will see this season through.Again I guess he is on a high salary and may not be so easy to find another job with the freedom he has had.
So it is a wait and see situation I also feel the club will get promoted as long as they can avoid administration and by all accounts the MR sale went a long way to the clubs survival.
None of us know what has gone on or what may happen so running around like headless chickens aint the answer
Lets hope it all goes through, my issue though is where the cuts are going to be made, or are the new board going to keep covering the monthly losses?
[quote][p][bold]mallorca[/bold] wrote: What a sad sad situation.At the end of the day I just think Pdc has wasted a great deal with giving long contracts and falling out with players and paying them off.Much as I like PB no wonder he hung on until the last min before moving. AB just I guess did not want to throw away 250000 a month. He had his reasons for wanting out. As for the new owners yes we await the outcome of the FL to sanction the takeover. I do believe if all goes ok there will be big changes ahead for our club. Pdc may leave however I think he will see this season through.Again I guess he is on a high salary and may not be so easy to find another job with the freedom he has had. So it is a wait and see situation I also feel the club will get promoted as long as they can avoid administration and by all accounts the MR sale went a long way to the clubs survival. None of us know what has gone on or what may happen so running around like headless chickens aint the answer[/p][/quote]Lets hope it all goes through, my issue though is where the cuts are going to be made, or are the new board going to keep covering the monthly losses? Davidsyrett
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3:23pm Mon 4 Feb 13

Davidsyrett says...

Jeremy Hilary Boob wrote:
Stratton Red wrote:
LegendSTFC wrote:
Steve. Brentford wrote:
stfc2012 wrote:
Stilloyal wrote: I still maintain that the people of Wiltshire should shoulder much of the blame for our finacial shortcomings. If more came to the games regularly then the whole situation improves dramatically. On the whole gates this season are no better than last. We are in a great position for promotion but still the people don't show. If we fail to get automatic promotion but get to the play off final then you can garauntee 30,000 "LOYAL" fans will be there. We need to get a good attendance on Saturday and all three stands to sing Paolo's name throughout the game. This will inspire the players too as they clearly desperately want the gaffer to stay. COYR's
Ludicrous. Cannot blame the people of Wiltshire. They have the right to attend what games they choose to. Its the same almost everywhere for clubs our size. The club should be managed accordingly. I realise a better support would be great for all but we all know attendances go up depending on the opposition and occasion. Football is expensive and a luxury for most. People of Wiltshire as a scapegoat for this situation is comical.
No it is not,if 30000 can find the the time to attend wembley then surely a large proportion could afford/be bothered to attend the CG, yes times are hard and some really cant afford the luxury of football but if we get drawn against a big club tomorrow, a large crowd and probably a packed CG would be guaranteed.If us Town fans want highly quality football then they have to except they have a duty to attend whenever possible.
You seem to forget the not all of the 30,000 that went to Wembley are from Wiltshire. Wow, I love reading these comments, it just shows that some of our fans are complete idiots. Yes, not everyone went because they are Town fans, some wanted the opportunity to say they have been to Wembley, maybe taking their children there as well, fulfilling a dream? Have you ever thought about that? At the end of the day it is everyone's personal choice if they attend matches, are you going to go knock on 30,000 peoples houses and tell them to get down to the CG? I didn't think so.
Surely there is a half-way view here...
*
There were members of my family e.g. the wags that went to Wembley for the big family day that are not interested in going week in week (and I wouldn't want them too...). There are those that live away. However, I know loads of "Swindon fans", that have an opinion on all things STFC, live in Swindon, have the money but very, very rarely come to games. It are the "fans" in this category that hurt our chances of success.
*
Even when Fitton tried giving away season tickets we couldn't get the right amount of committment, which for a town with a population of 120,000 + the Wltshire catchment is really quite poor...
A lot of people in Swindon moved here but had no real ties and, when they moved here, weren't into football. It's only since the mid-90s that football has been seen as fashionable.

If these people have since been attracted to football, it's more likely they've got their Sky sub and that's it. Their kids will grow up in "supporting" ManYoo or Citeh or Chelski or another big PL team.

The challenge for the Town - and Swindon is perhaps unusual in this regard (which does give it potential the higher up the pyramid they are) - is to attract those kids to the CG.

They need some innovative things - quid a kid is all right, but you need to reach out to those whose parent(s) would never take them. Even if it's things like a scheme where the parents drop the kids off at a park and ride type place and the club buses them to the ground, looks after them during the match and then makes sure they're picked up afterwards.
we've tried so many incentives but none of them ever seem to work, we have a core fanbase and a couple of thousand regulars, the only thing that will ever invigorate the gates is a new stadium, but sadly I have a feeling that's many years away now.
[quote][p][bold]Jeremy Hilary Boob[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Stratton Red[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]LegendSTFC[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Steve. Brentford[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]stfc2012[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Stilloyal[/bold] wrote: I still maintain that the people of Wiltshire should shoulder much of the blame for our finacial shortcomings. If more came to the games regularly then the whole situation improves dramatically. On the whole gates this season are no better than last. We are in a great position for promotion but still the people don't show. If we fail to get automatic promotion but get to the play off final then you can garauntee 30,000 "LOYAL" fans will be there. We need to get a good attendance on Saturday and all three stands to sing Paolo's name throughout the game. This will inspire the players too as they clearly desperately want the gaffer to stay. COYR's[/p][/quote]Ludicrous. Cannot blame the people of Wiltshire. They have the right to attend what games they choose to. Its the same almost everywhere for clubs our size. The club should be managed accordingly. I realise a better support would be great for all but we all know attendances go up depending on the opposition and occasion. Football is expensive and a luxury for most. People of Wiltshire as a scapegoat for this situation is comical.[/p][/quote]No it is not,if 30000 can find the the time to attend wembley then surely a large proportion could afford/be bothered to attend the CG, yes times are hard and some really cant afford the luxury of football but if we get drawn against a big club tomorrow, a large crowd and probably a packed CG would be guaranteed.If us Town fans want highly quality football then they have to except they have a duty to attend whenever possible.[/p][/quote]You seem to forget the not all of the 30,000 that went to Wembley are from Wiltshire. Wow, I love reading these comments, it just shows that some of our fans are complete idiots. Yes, not everyone went because they are Town fans, some wanted the opportunity to say they have been to Wembley, maybe taking their children there as well, fulfilling a dream? Have you ever thought about that? At the end of the day it is everyone's personal choice if they attend matches, are you going to go knock on 30,000 peoples houses and tell them to get down to the CG? I didn't think so.[/p][/quote]Surely there is a half-way view here... * There were members of my family e.g. the wags that went to Wembley for the big family day that are not interested in going week in week (and I wouldn't want them too...). There are those that live away. However, I know loads of "Swindon fans", that have an opinion on all things STFC, live in Swindon, have the money but very, very rarely come to games. It are the "fans" in this category that hurt our chances of success. * Even when Fitton tried giving away season tickets we couldn't get the right amount of committment, which for a town with a population of 120,000 + the Wltshire catchment is really quite poor...[/p][/quote]A lot of people in Swindon moved here but had no real ties and, when they moved here, weren't into football. It's only since the mid-90s that football has been seen as fashionable. If these people have since been attracted to football, it's more likely they've got their Sky sub and that's it. Their kids will grow up in "supporting" ManYoo or Citeh or Chelski or another big PL team. The challenge for the Town - and Swindon is perhaps unusual in this regard (which does give it potential the higher up the pyramid they are) - is to attract those kids to the CG. They need some innovative things - quid a kid is all right, but you need to reach out to those whose parent(s) would never take them. Even if it's things like a scheme where the parents drop the kids off at a park and ride type place and the club buses them to the ground, looks after them during the match and then makes sure they're picked up afterwards.[/p][/quote]we've tried so many incentives but none of them ever seem to work, we have a core fanbase and a couple of thousand regulars, the only thing that will ever invigorate the gates is a new stadium, but sadly I have a feeling that's many years away now. Davidsyrett
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3:28pm Mon 4 Feb 13

Blazing Riff says...

Guv wrote:
Well I have a very interesting update which true fans will find interesting, those fans know who they are and I will check back later, I know they are probably at work right now) not living off my taxes like these armchair fans.
Now, now Guv, that's a step too far. Most of the daytime contributors on here are most likely 'pensioners' of one type or another (like myself) who have all paid their dues. Others may be ill, disabled or goodness knows what. Even those who may be unemployed will have paid their dues at some stage and can't be looking for work every minute of the day. Some, dare I say, should be working instead of spending time on here. I wonder which category you fall into? I'm 'on the fence' with what you have to say about STFC but please think a little more carefully in future.
[quote][p][bold]Guv[/bold] wrote: Well I have a very interesting update which true fans will find interesting, those fans know who they are and I will check back later, I know they are probably at work right now) not living off my taxes like these armchair fans.[/p][/quote]Now, now Guv, that's a step too far. Most of the daytime contributors on here are most likely 'pensioners' of one type or another (like myself) who have all paid their dues. Others may be ill, disabled or goodness knows what. Even those who may be unemployed will have paid their dues at some stage and can't be looking for work every minute of the day. Some, dare I say, should be working instead of spending time on here. I wonder which category you fall into? I'm 'on the fence' with what you have to say about STFC but please think a little more carefully in future. Blazing Riff
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3:29pm Mon 4 Feb 13

Steve. Brentford says...

Stratton Red wrote:
LegendSTFC wrote:
Steve. Brentford wrote:
stfc2012 wrote:
Stilloyal wrote: I still maintain that the people of Wiltshire should shoulder much of the blame for our finacial shortcomings. If more came to the games regularly then the whole situation improves dramatically. On the whole gates this season are no better than last. We are in a great position for promotion but still the people don't show. If we fail to get automatic promotion but get to the play off final then you can garauntee 30,000 "LOYAL" fans will be there. We need to get a good attendance on Saturday and all three stands to sing Paolo's name throughout the game. This will inspire the players too as they clearly desperately want the gaffer to stay. COYR's
Ludicrous. Cannot blame the people of Wiltshire. They have the right to attend what games they choose to. Its the same almost everywhere for clubs our size. The club should be managed accordingly. I realise a better support would be great for all but we all know attendances go up depending on the opposition and occasion. Football is expensive and a luxury for most. People of Wiltshire as a scapegoat for this situation is comical.
No it is not,if 30000 can find the the time to attend wembley then surely a large proportion could afford/be bothered to attend the CG, yes times are hard and some really cant afford the luxury of football but if we get drawn against a big club tomorrow, a large crowd and probably a packed CG would be guaranteed.If us Town fans want highly quality football then they have to except they have a duty to attend whenever possible.
You seem to forget the not all of the 30,000 that went to Wembley are from Wiltshire. Wow, I love reading these comments, it just shows that some of our fans are complete idiots. Yes, not everyone went because they are Town fans, some wanted the opportunity to say they have been to Wembley, maybe taking their children there as well, fulfilling a dream? Have you ever thought about that? At the end of the day it is everyone's personal choice if they attend matches, are you going to go knock on 30,000 peoples houses and tell them to get down to the CG? I didn't think so.
Surely there is a half-way view here...
*
There were members of my family e.g. the wags that went to Wembley for the big family day that are not interested in going week in week (and I wouldn't want them too...). There are those that live away. However, I know loads of "Swindon fans", that have an opinion on all things STFC, live in Swindon, have the money but very, very rarely come to games. It are the "fans" in this category that hurt our chances of success.
*
Even when Fitton tried giving away season tickets we couldn't get the right amount of committment, which for a town with a population of 120,000 + the Wltshire catchment is really quite poor...
Yes Stratton its those type of fans i was referring to, i was going out so tried to get the post out as clear as i could and quickly!

LegendSTFC of course everyone as right to attend if they feel like it,i live far enough away from Swindon to stop me going to all games so it would be contradictory of me to say other wise,i know loads of people from Swindon and many choose to go when they have little else to do or when we have a big game,when when i speak to a lot of these i can guarantee i get told "if we go up this season i will go all the time"the problem is the ones that either don't attend or attend once in a while as Stratton pit it "hurt our chances of success.
note i answered you without being rude or calling you names,so please have the courtesy of not calling me/others idiots because you don't agree with another's opinion.Falling that abuse away and i will reply likewise.
[quote][p][bold]Stratton Red[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]LegendSTFC[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Steve. Brentford[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]stfc2012[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Stilloyal[/bold] wrote: I still maintain that the people of Wiltshire should shoulder much of the blame for our finacial shortcomings. If more came to the games regularly then the whole situation improves dramatically. On the whole gates this season are no better than last. We are in a great position for promotion but still the people don't show. If we fail to get automatic promotion but get to the play off final then you can garauntee 30,000 "LOYAL" fans will be there. We need to get a good attendance on Saturday and all three stands to sing Paolo's name throughout the game. This will inspire the players too as they clearly desperately want the gaffer to stay. COYR's[/p][/quote]Ludicrous. Cannot blame the people of Wiltshire. They have the right to attend what games they choose to. Its the same almost everywhere for clubs our size. The club should be managed accordingly. I realise a better support would be great for all but we all know attendances go up depending on the opposition and occasion. Football is expensive and a luxury for most. People of Wiltshire as a scapegoat for this situation is comical.[/p][/quote]No it is not,if 30000 can find the the time to attend wembley then surely a large proportion could afford/be bothered to attend the CG, yes times are hard and some really cant afford the luxury of football but if we get drawn against a big club tomorrow, a large crowd and probably a packed CG would be guaranteed.If us Town fans want highly quality football then they have to except they have a duty to attend whenever possible.[/p][/quote]You seem to forget the not all of the 30,000 that went to Wembley are from Wiltshire. Wow, I love reading these comments, it just shows that some of our fans are complete idiots. Yes, not everyone went because they are Town fans, some wanted the opportunity to say they have been to Wembley, maybe taking their children there as well, fulfilling a dream? Have you ever thought about that? At the end of the day it is everyone's personal choice if they attend matches, are you going to go knock on 30,000 peoples houses and tell them to get down to the CG? I didn't think so.[/p][/quote]Surely there is a half-way view here... * There were members of my family e.g. the wags that went to Wembley for the big family day that are not interested in going week in week (and I wouldn't want them too...). There are those that live away. However, I know loads of "Swindon fans", that have an opinion on all things STFC, live in Swindon, have the money but very, very rarely come to games. It are the "fans" in this category that hurt our chances of success. * Even when Fitton tried giving away season tickets we couldn't get the right amount of committment, which for a town with a population of 120,000 + the Wltshire catchment is really quite poor...[/p][/quote]Yes Stratton its those type of fans i was referring to, i was going out so tried to get the post out as clear as i could and quickly! LegendSTFC of course everyone as right to attend if they feel like it,i live far enough away from Swindon to stop me going to all games so it would be contradictory of me to say other wise,i know loads of people from Swindon and many choose to go when they have little else to do or when we have a big game,when when i speak to a lot of these i can guarantee i get told "if we go up this season i will go all the time"the problem is the ones that either don't attend or attend once in a while as Stratton pit it "hurt our chances of success. note i answered you without being rude or calling you names,so please have the courtesy of not calling me/others idiots because you don't agree with another's opinion.Falling that abuse away and i will reply likewise. Steve. Brentford
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3:31pm Mon 4 Feb 13

reddevon says...

London Red wrote:
I'm not going to claim the Championship is worth £20m more but it certainly is worth a lot more than £2m
.
A liitle bit of research will tell you that in under 30 seconds!
.
Scunthorpe made £1.4m profit in their last Championship season and £2m loss in L1
.
This was due to a fall in revenue of £4.5m and only being able to cut costs by £2m
.
It was reported that about 3/4 of that decrease came from TV money (£3.4m)
.
I had also seen another article by a Scunthorpe Director which said TV money reductions had wiped out £3.7m in income alone!
.
So we know it is worth around £3.5m - this is before the new deal kicks in next year which is BOOSTING TV money
.
The remainder of the decrease was put down to ticket sales
.
The point lots forget (which I have been saying over and over again) is like Scuthorpe reported it is not from the home fans but the away fans!!!!
.
Yes home fans have fallen - but away fans more!
.
In the Championship pretty much every team takes over 1,000 with them with some taking 2, 3 or more if allowed
.
This adds lots to your matchday revenue compared to 114 or 294 fans!!!
.
It is for this reason we had the spilt in our board
.
Fitton didn't want to go down the spend now and break even / make profit once promoted route that Wray and Black did
.
Wray was very clear that in his view in L1 it is impossible to compete and not make a budgeted loss (Granted Tranmerer are showin it might not be - but that is once in a blue moon situation ans they have got promoted yet)
.
Too many teams like Forest, Leicester, Norwich, Southampton, Huddersfield, Charlton, Millwall, Leeds, Sheff Wed, Sheff Utd, Bournemouth, Preston, Coventry etc etc are there to allow it
.
To compete with these we needed to boost our wages to their ball park
.
Thus the budgeted loss - as otherwise we would need to cut it by about £1.5-2m!
.
This could EASILY be wiped out with promotion as we will see revenue over double - primarily as TV would match our total revenue now (£1.3m + £3.5m = £4.8m compared to £4.6m TOTAL in 2011) and that is before Matchday (£2.2m) Sponsorship (£0.3m) or Commercial activities (£0.8m) are looked at which will all rise( Matchday was £3.2m in 2010 so £1.1m higher within L1 - so Championship will deliver kore!)
.
Also this arguement that Wages would wipe out any increase in nonsence - we don't all need have £18.5m bills like Cardif - Scunthorpe survided for years with their peak wage bill hitting £5m - just £0.5m above ours now!
.
So we could eaily double ours to £10m and still make a profit and still be competitive
London Red,

I like the analysis, and the use of facts and figures to form your opinion. I disagree with the conclusion that you came to.

I certainly don't think we could easily double our wage bill to £10m and easily make a profit.

If you look at the financial accounts for Bristol City (http://www.bcfc.co.
uk/club/annualaccoun
ts.aspx) and for Millwall (http://www.millwall
holdingsplc.co.uk/51
075%20MillwallR&A201
1.pdf) you will see two football clubs, with average attendances above 10,000 a week who are both turning over around £11.8m a year.

If you assumed Town could reach that same amount of Revenue, a wage bill of £10m already looks pretty steep. Then factor in Operating expenses of £2.8m (taken from last years stats, and assuming no increase) and you are already looking at a loss of £1m.

The bottom line of those two sets of accounts show losses, BCFC of £14.4m and MFC of £1.94m.

I think that the reality is, even if we got promoted, you are not looking at a profit making club. Black & co are smart business men and have realised that the required effort of running a football club does not convert into any kind of financial benefit.

I also disagree with the people have suggested that £500k should have been stumped up by the new owners to avoid the sale of Matt Ritchie. There is no way that any logical business people would take on the running costs of a business that they have no guarantees of owning.
The unfortunate truth of that was that Black refused to plough more money in for no return, and so the club needed to find a way of funding itself for a month or two.
[quote][p][bold]London Red[/bold] wrote: I'm not going to claim the Championship is worth £20m more but it certainly is worth a lot more than £2m . A liitle bit of research will tell you that in under 30 seconds! . Scunthorpe made £1.4m profit in their last Championship season and £2m loss in L1 . This was due to a fall in revenue of £4.5m and only being able to cut costs by £2m . It was reported that about 3/4 of that decrease came from TV money (£3.4m) . I had also seen another article by a Scunthorpe Director which said TV money reductions had wiped out £3.7m in income alone! . So we know it is worth around £3.5m - this is before the new deal kicks in next year which is BOOSTING TV money . The remainder of the decrease was put down to ticket sales . The point lots forget (which I have been saying over and over again) is like Scuthorpe reported it is not from the home fans but the away fans!!!! . Yes home fans have fallen - but away fans more! . In the Championship pretty much every team takes over 1,000 with them with some taking 2, 3 or more if allowed . This adds lots to your matchday revenue compared to 114 or 294 fans!!! . It is for this reason we had the spilt in our board . Fitton didn't want to go down the spend now and break even / make profit once promoted route that Wray and Black did . Wray was very clear that in his view in L1 it is impossible to compete and not make a budgeted loss (Granted Tranmerer are showin it might not be - but that is once in a blue moon situation ans they have got promoted yet) . Too many teams like Forest, Leicester, Norwich, Southampton, Huddersfield, Charlton, Millwall, Leeds, Sheff Wed, Sheff Utd, Bournemouth, Preston, Coventry etc etc are there to allow it . To compete with these we needed to boost our wages to their ball park . Thus the budgeted loss - as otherwise we would need to cut it by about £1.5-2m! . This could EASILY be wiped out with promotion as we will see revenue over double - primarily as TV would match our total revenue now (£1.3m + £3.5m = £4.8m compared to £4.6m TOTAL in 2011) and that is before Matchday (£2.2m) Sponsorship (£0.3m) or Commercial activities (£0.8m) are looked at which will all rise( Matchday was £3.2m in 2010 so £1.1m higher within L1 - so Championship will deliver kore!) . Also this arguement that Wages would wipe out any increase in nonsence - we don't all need have £18.5m bills like Cardif - Scunthorpe survided for years with their peak wage bill hitting £5m - just £0.5m above ours now! . So we could eaily double ours to £10m and still make a profit and still be competitive[/p][/quote]London Red, I like the analysis, and the use of facts and figures to form your opinion. I disagree with the conclusion that you came to. I certainly don't think we could easily double our wage bill to £10m and easily make a profit. If you look at the financial accounts for Bristol City (http://www.bcfc.co. uk/club/annualaccoun ts.aspx) and for Millwall (http://www.millwall holdingsplc.co.uk/51 075%20MillwallR&A201 1.pdf) you will see two football clubs, with average attendances above 10,000 a week who are both turning over around £11.8m a year. If you assumed Town could reach that same amount of Revenue, a wage bill of £10m already looks pretty steep. Then factor in Operating expenses of £2.8m (taken from last years stats, and assuming no increase) and you are already looking at a loss of £1m. The bottom line of those two sets of accounts show losses, BCFC of £14.4m and MFC of £1.94m. I think that the reality is, even if we got promoted, you are not looking at a profit making club. Black & co are smart business men and have realised that the required effort of running a football club does not convert into any kind of financial benefit. I also disagree with the people have suggested that £500k should have been stumped up by the new owners to avoid the sale of Matt Ritchie. There is no way that any logical business people would take on the running costs of a business that they have no guarantees of owning. The unfortunate truth of that was that Black refused to plough more money in for no return, and so the club needed to find a way of funding itself for a month or two. reddevon
  • Score: 0

3:50pm Mon 4 Feb 13

SimonPrice351 says...

I've heard that even this deal might only be until the summer,and Jed is only coming in to be a 'break-even'.

The summer will be very interesting for us.
I've heard that even this deal might only be until the summer,and Jed is only coming in to be a 'break-even'. The summer will be very interesting for us. SimonPrice351
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4:00pm Mon 4 Feb 13

the don69 says...

SimonPrice351 wrote:
I've heard that even this deal might only be until the summer,and Jed is only coming in to be a 'break-even'.

The summer will be very interesting for us.
You can't buy a club until the summer Simon!even if anyone tried to do that?they wouldn't pass the fit and proper test!whoever you heard that from?don't listen to them any more their talking cr@p!!!!!!!!!!!
[quote][p][bold]SimonPrice351[/bold] wrote: I've heard that even this deal might only be until the summer,and Jed is only coming in to be a 'break-even'. The summer will be very interesting for us.[/p][/quote]You can't buy a club until the summer Simon!even if anyone tried to do that?they wouldn't pass the fit and proper test!whoever you heard that from?don't listen to them any more their talking cr@p!!!!!!!!!!! the don69
  • Score: 0

4:07pm Mon 4 Feb 13

smirg kcab says...

stokes_stfc wrote:
Pewsham Red wrote:
Stilloyal wrote:
I still maintain that the people of Wiltshire should shoulder much of the blame for our finacial shortcomings.
If more came to the games regularly then the whole situation improves dramatically.
On the whole gates this season are no better than last. We are in a great position for promotion but still the people don't show. If we fail to get automatic promotion but get to the play off final then you can garauntee 30,000 "LOYAL" fans will be there.

We need to get a good attendance on Saturday and all three stands to sing Paolo's name throughout the game. This will inspire the players too as they clearly desperately want the gaffer to stay.

COYR's
Partly, Still Loyal, but if people don't want to come, then that is their prerogative.

Essentially, our spending is too big for our revenue, so if we can't increase revenue, we have to reduce our spending and therefore accept that we will remain a lower league club.

This is probably the reality unless we can find someone with bottomless pockets and why teams like Rochdale, Bury and most of leagues 1 and 2 will remain there for the foreseeable future.
Stillloyal, I was at Wembley but I don't go to all that many home games. I live in Ipswich, so have a 340 mile round trip to get to the County Ground and back. I do consider myself a loyal fan of the club, and STFC is something that is incredibally important to me. Add in the fact that I have to work about 1 weekend a month, means I can't get to a lot of home games. I go to the games when I can make it back to wiltshire, and I will be there in Colchester tomorrow, but I think there were a lot of fans like me at Wembley who don't live anywhere near Swindon any more....
Stilloyal
I think you have lost the plot on the people of Wiltshire, in my hayday we had 30k for most games, why have they gone because of the shiit way this club has been run over the decades.
Selling the likes of shearer when promo was very high on the cards.
Fiddling the Lou macari era.
Keeping priick Wilson before the playoff semi final, only for the fool to chuck it.
Selling fjortoft for peanuts.
Giving matt Ritchie away (yes giving not selling).
Just a few points why the great people won't come again.
Just a final point will you renew your s/t next year if Paolo goes. I WON'T
and I'm sure you won't if you have one.
Onwards and upwards
Supporting a great club today but maybe the pits on Tuesday FACT
[quote][p][bold]stokes_stfc[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Pewsham Red[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Stilloyal[/bold] wrote: I still maintain that the people of Wiltshire should shoulder much of the blame for our finacial shortcomings. If more came to the games regularly then the whole situation improves dramatically. On the whole gates this season are no better than last. We are in a great position for promotion but still the people don't show. If we fail to get automatic promotion but get to the play off final then you can garauntee 30,000 "LOYAL" fans will be there. We need to get a good attendance on Saturday and all three stands to sing Paolo's name throughout the game. This will inspire the players too as they clearly desperately want the gaffer to stay. COYR's[/p][/quote]Partly, Still Loyal, but if people don't want to come, then that is their prerogative. Essentially, our spending is too big for our revenue, so if we can't increase revenue, we have to reduce our spending and therefore accept that we will remain a lower league club. This is probably the reality unless we can find someone with bottomless pockets and why teams like Rochdale, Bury and most of leagues 1 and 2 will remain there for the foreseeable future.[/p][/quote]Stillloyal, I was at Wembley but I don't go to all that many home games. I live in Ipswich, so have a 340 mile round trip to get to the County Ground and back. I do consider myself a loyal fan of the club, and STFC is something that is incredibally important to me. Add in the fact that I have to work about 1 weekend a month, means I can't get to a lot of home games. I go to the games when I can make it back to wiltshire, and I will be there in Colchester tomorrow, but I think there were a lot of fans like me at Wembley who don't live anywhere near Swindon any more....[/p][/quote]Stilloyal I think you have lost the plot on the people of Wiltshire, in my hayday we had 30k for most games, why have they gone because of the shiit way this club has been run over the decades. Selling the likes of shearer when promo was very high on the cards. Fiddling the Lou macari era. Keeping priick Wilson before the playoff semi final, only for the fool to chuck it. Selling fjortoft for peanuts. Giving matt Ritchie away (yes giving not selling). Just a few points why the great people won't come again. Just a final point will you renew your s/t next year if Paolo goes. I WON'T and I'm sure you won't if you have one. Onwards and upwards Supporting a great club today but maybe the pits on Tuesday FACT smirg kcab
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4:09pm Mon 4 Feb 13

Davidsyrett says...

reddevon wrote:
London Red wrote:
I'm not going to claim the Championship is worth £20m more but it certainly is worth a lot more than £2m
.
A liitle bit of research will tell you that in under 30 seconds!
.
Scunthorpe made £1.4m profit in their last Championship season and £2m loss in L1
.
This was due to a fall in revenue of £4.5m and only being able to cut costs by £2m
.
It was reported that about 3/4 of that decrease came from TV money (£3.4m)
.
I had also seen another article by a Scunthorpe Director which said TV money reductions had wiped out £3.7m in income alone!
.
So we know it is worth around £3.5m - this is before the new deal kicks in next year which is BOOSTING TV money
.
The remainder of the decrease was put down to ticket sales
.
The point lots forget (which I have been saying over and over again) is like Scuthorpe reported it is not from the home fans but the away fans!!!!
.
Yes home fans have fallen - but away fans more!
.
In the Championship pretty much every team takes over 1,000 with them with some taking 2, 3 or more if allowed
.
This adds lots to your matchday revenue compared to 114 or 294 fans!!!
.
It is for this reason we had the spilt in our board
.
Fitton didn't want to go down the spend now and break even / make profit once promoted route that Wray and Black did
.
Wray was very clear that in his view in L1 it is impossible to compete and not make a budgeted loss (Granted Tranmerer are showin it might not be - but that is once in a blue moon situation ans they have got promoted yet)
.
Too many teams like Forest, Leicester, Norwich, Southampton, Huddersfield, Charlton, Millwall, Leeds, Sheff Wed, Sheff Utd, Bournemouth, Preston, Coventry etc etc are there to allow it
.
To compete with these we needed to boost our wages to their ball park
.
Thus the budgeted loss - as otherwise we would need to cut it by about £1.5-2m!
.
This could EASILY be wiped out with promotion as we will see revenue over double - primarily as TV would match our total revenue now (£1.3m + £3.5m = £4.8m compared to £4.6m TOTAL in 2011) and that is before Matchday (£2.2m) Sponsorship (£0.3m) or Commercial activities (£0.8m) are looked at which will all rise( Matchday was £3.2m in 2010 so £1.1m higher within L1 - so Championship will deliver kore!)
.
Also this arguement that Wages would wipe out any increase in nonsence - we don't all need have £18.5m bills like Cardif - Scunthorpe survided for years with their peak wage bill hitting £5m - just £0.5m above ours now!
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So we could eaily double ours to £10m and still make a profit and still be competitive
London Red,

I like the analysis, and the use of facts and figures to form your opinion. I disagree with the conclusion that you came to.

I certainly don't think we could easily double our wage bill to £10m and easily make a profit.

If you look at the financial accounts for Bristol City (http://www.bcfc.co.

uk/club/annualaccoun

ts.aspx) and for Millwall (http://www.millwall

holdingsplc.co.uk/51

075%20MillwallR&
A201
1.pdf) you will see two football clubs, with average attendances above 10,000 a week who are both turning over around £11.8m a year.

If you assumed Town could reach that same amount of Revenue, a wage bill of £10m already looks pretty steep. Then factor in Operating expenses of £2.8m (taken from last years stats, and assuming no increase) and you are already looking at a loss of £1m.

The bottom line of those two sets of accounts show losses, BCFC of £14.4m and MFC of £1.94m.

I think that the reality is, even if we got promoted, you are not looking at a profit making club. Black & co are smart business men and have realised that the required effort of running a football club does not convert into any kind of financial benefit.

I also disagree with the people have suggested that £500k should have been stumped up by the new owners to avoid the sale of Matt Ritchie. There is no way that any logical business people would take on the running costs of a business that they have no guarantees of owning.
The unfortunate truth of that was that Black refused to plough more money in for no return, and so the club needed to find a way of funding itself for a month or two.
Thank you for that Devon Red, it saved me doing the research!
[quote][p][bold]reddevon[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]London Red[/bold] wrote: I'm not going to claim the Championship is worth £20m more but it certainly is worth a lot more than £2m . A liitle bit of research will tell you that in under 30 seconds! . Scunthorpe made £1.4m profit in their last Championship season and £2m loss in L1 . This was due to a fall in revenue of £4.5m and only being able to cut costs by £2m . It was reported that about 3/4 of that decrease came from TV money (£3.4m) . I had also seen another article by a Scunthorpe Director which said TV money reductions had wiped out £3.7m in income alone! . So we know it is worth around £3.5m - this is before the new deal kicks in next year which is BOOSTING TV money . The remainder of the decrease was put down to ticket sales . The point lots forget (which I have been saying over and over again) is like Scuthorpe reported it is not from the home fans but the away fans!!!! . Yes home fans have fallen - but away fans more! . In the Championship pretty much every team takes over 1,000 with them with some taking 2, 3 or more if allowed . This adds lots to your matchday revenue compared to 114 or 294 fans!!! . It is for this reason we had the spilt in our board . Fitton didn't want to go down the spend now and break even / make profit once promoted route that Wray and Black did . Wray was very clear that in his view in L1 it is impossible to compete and not make a budgeted loss (Granted Tranmerer are showin it might not be - but that is once in a blue moon situation ans they have got promoted yet) . Too many teams like Forest, Leicester, Norwich, Southampton, Huddersfield, Charlton, Millwall, Leeds, Sheff Wed, Sheff Utd, Bournemouth, Preston, Coventry etc etc are there to allow it . To compete with these we needed to boost our wages to their ball park . Thus the budgeted loss - as otherwise we would need to cut it by about £1.5-2m! . This could EASILY be wiped out with promotion as we will see revenue over double - primarily as TV would match our total revenue now (£1.3m + £3.5m = £4.8m compared to £4.6m TOTAL in 2011) and that is before Matchday (£2.2m) Sponsorship (£0.3m) or Commercial activities (£0.8m) are looked at which will all rise( Matchday was £3.2m in 2010 so £1.1m higher within L1 - so Championship will deliver kore!) . Also this arguement that Wages would wipe out any increase in nonsence - we don't all need have £18.5m bills like Cardif - Scunthorpe survided for years with their peak wage bill hitting £5m - just £0.5m above ours now! . So we could eaily double ours to £10m and still make a profit and still be competitive[/p][/quote]London Red, I like the analysis, and the use of facts and figures to form your opinion. I disagree with the conclusion that you came to. I certainly don't think we could easily double our wage bill to £10m and easily make a profit. If you look at the financial accounts for Bristol City (http://www.bcfc.co. uk/club/annualaccoun ts.aspx) and for Millwall (http://www.millwall holdingsplc.co.uk/51 075%20MillwallR& A201 1.pdf) you will see two football clubs, with average attendances above 10,000 a week who are both turning over around £11.8m a year. If you assumed Town could reach that same amount of Revenue, a wage bill of £10m already looks pretty steep. Then factor in Operating expenses of £2.8m (taken from last years stats, and assuming no increase) and you are already looking at a loss of £1m. The bottom line of those two sets of accounts show losses, BCFC of £14.4m and MFC of £1.94m. I think that the reality is, even if we got promoted, you are not looking at a profit making club. Black & co are smart business men and have realised that the required effort of running a football club does not convert into any kind of financial benefit. I also disagree with the people have suggested that £500k should have been stumped up by the new owners to avoid the sale of Matt Ritchie. There is no way that any logical business people would take on the running costs of a business that they have no guarantees of owning. The unfortunate truth of that was that Black refused to plough more money in for no return, and so the club needed to find a way of funding itself for a month or two.[/p][/quote]Thank you for that Devon Red, it saved me doing the research! Davidsyrett
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4:15pm Mon 4 Feb 13

Since 1950 says...

Stilloyal wrote:
Guv wrote: Well I have a very interesting update which true fans will find interesting, those fans know who they are and I will check back later, I know they are probably at work right now) not living off my taxes like these armchair fans.
I'm retired and have paid my taxes so I'll come on here when I want. I'll post when I want, I'm retired so I'll post when I want ! All your info so far has been total b0ll0cks. The only thing you got right was Ritchie leaving but that was already out in the public domain in some quarters at least , so not an exclusive from you. You are not a Swindon fan just a stirrer and wind up merchant. My first game was in 1947 as a three year old , I'll buy an armchair when I cant afford a season ticket.
That's a bit strong GUV! I like Stilloyal and many others are retired or semi retired etc. and payed our dues.

You are entitled to your say and your take on goings on at the CG, but steady who you have a pop at!

Myself, if I had close information I would keep it close to my chest. Confidentiality and all that. For instance, my wife went to the USA yesterday. She was talking to a chap, who will remain nameless, who owns a Championship club. I spoke to her last night after she arrived at her destination. She is not a football fan, prefers the egg shaped ball, being an Aussie. Anyway, what she relayed to me on his knowledge of the take over doesn't fill me with the great expectation you suggest.

Loyal - you pre date my days at the CG by some years! Been some changes since League Division 3 South! Still 3rd div though.
[quote][p][bold]Stilloyal[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Guv[/bold] wrote: Well I have a very interesting update which true fans will find interesting, those fans know who they are and I will check back later, I know they are probably at work right now) not living off my taxes like these armchair fans.[/p][/quote]I'm retired and have paid my taxes so I'll come on here when I want. I'll post when I want, I'm retired so I'll post when I want ! All your info so far has been total b0ll0cks. The only thing you got right was Ritchie leaving but that was already out in the public domain in some quarters at least , so not an exclusive from you. You are not a Swindon fan just a stirrer and wind up merchant. My first game was in 1947 as a three year old , I'll buy an armchair when I cant afford a season ticket.[/p][/quote]That's a bit strong GUV! I like Stilloyal and many others are retired or semi retired etc. and payed our dues. You are entitled to your say and your take on goings on at the CG, but steady who you have a pop at! Myself, if I had close information I would keep it close to my chest. Confidentiality and all that. For instance, my wife went to the USA yesterday. She was talking to a chap, who will remain nameless, who owns a Championship club. I spoke to her last night after she arrived at her destination. She is not a football fan, prefers the egg shaped ball, being an Aussie. Anyway, what she relayed to me on his knowledge of the take over doesn't fill me with the great expectation you suggest. Loyal - you pre date my days at the CG by some years! Been some changes since League Division 3 South! Still 3rd div though. Since 1950
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4:21pm Mon 4 Feb 13

Moonraker55 says...

Paulo

Answers will be found, please stay - the fans and players want you too. They are most the important.

However, firstly Mr Black must apologise to the fans. A commitment to the club means you are commiitted to the club Mr Black. You are guilty of breaking that commitment by not find a replacement investor before you announced you were withdrawing your financial support.

Secondly the FA must explain how a club like Swindon can sell players but not replace them. The FA are guilty of duplicity and must apologise to the fans.

Thirdly, those whose who sold Mr Ritchie without notifying you as the club manager must hold up their hands and publically apologise to you, the team and the fans. May be savings had to be made but protocol needs to be followed and these people must be brought to account.

Moonraker 55
Paulo Answers will be found, please stay - the fans and players want you too. They are most the important. However, firstly Mr Black must apologise to the fans. A commitment to the club means you are commiitted to the club Mr Black. You are guilty of breaking that commitment by not find a replacement investor before you announced you were withdrawing your financial support. Secondly the FA must explain how a club like Swindon can sell players but not replace them. The FA are guilty of duplicity and must apologise to the fans. Thirdly, those whose who sold Mr Ritchie without notifying you as the club manager must hold up their hands and publically apologise to you, the team and the fans. May be savings had to be made but protocol needs to be followed and these people must be brought to account. Moonraker 55 Moonraker55
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5:04pm Mon 4 Feb 13

avo says...

Jeremy Hilary Boob wrote:
Stratton Red wrote:
LegendSTFC wrote:
Steve. Brentford wrote:
stfc2012 wrote:
Stilloyal wrote: I still maintain that the people of Wiltshire should shoulder much of the blame for our finacial shortcomings. If more came to the games regularly then the whole situation improves dramatically. On the whole gates this season are no better than last. We are in a great position for promotion but still the people don't show. If we fail to get automatic promotion but get to the play off final then you can garauntee 30,000 "LOYAL" fans will be there. We need to get a good attendance on Saturday and all three stands to sing Paolo's name throughout the game. This will inspire the players too as they clearly desperately want the gaffer to stay. COYR's
Ludicrous. Cannot blame the people of Wiltshire. They have the right to attend what games they choose to. Its the same almost everywhere for clubs our size. The club should be managed accordingly. I realise a better support would be great for all but we all know attendances go up depending on the opposition and occasion. Football is expensive and a luxury for most. People of Wiltshire as a scapegoat for this situation is comical.
No it is not,if 30000 can find the the time to attend wembley then surely a large proportion could afford/be bothered to attend the CG, yes times are hard and some really cant afford the luxury of football but if we get drawn against a big club tomorrow, a large crowd and probably a packed CG would be guaranteed.If us Town fans want highly quality football then they have to except they have a duty to attend whenever possible.
You seem to forget the not all of the 30,000 that went to Wembley are from Wiltshire. Wow, I love reading these comments, it just shows that some of our fans are complete idiots. Yes, not everyone went because they are Town fans, some wanted the opportunity to say they have been to Wembley, maybe taking their children there as well, fulfilling a dream? Have you ever thought about that? At the end of the day it is everyone's personal choice if they attend matches, are you going to go knock on 30,000 peoples houses and tell them to get down to the CG? I didn't think so.
Surely there is a half-way view here... * There were members of my family e.g. the wags that went to Wembley for the big family day that are not interested in going week in week (and I wouldn't want them too...). There are those that live away. However, I know loads of "Swindon fans", that have an opinion on all things STFC, live in Swindon, have the money but very, very rarely come to games. It are the "fans" in this category that hurt our chances of success. * Even when Fitton tried giving away season tickets we couldn't get the right amount of committment, which for a town with a population of 120,000 + the Wltshire catchment is really quite poor...
A lot of people in Swindon moved here but had no real ties and, when they moved here, weren't into football. It's only since the mid-90s that football has been seen as fashionable. If these people have since been attracted to football, it's more likely they've got their Sky sub and that's it. Their kids will grow up in "supporting" ManYoo or Citeh or Chelski or another big PL team. The challenge for the Town - and Swindon is perhaps unusual in this regard (which does give it potential the higher up the pyramid they are) - is to attract those kids to the CG. They need some innovative things - quid a kid is all right, but you need to reach out to those whose parent(s) would never take them. Even if it's things like a scheme where the parents drop the kids off at a park and ride type place and the club buses them to the ground, looks after them during the match and then makes sure they're picked up afterwards.
Your post lost all credibility the minute you labelled chelski as a big team....
[quote][p][bold]Jeremy Hilary Boob[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Stratton Red[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]LegendSTFC[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Steve. Brentford[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]stfc2012[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Stilloyal[/bold] wrote: I still maintain that the people of Wiltshire should shoulder much of the blame for our finacial shortcomings. If more came to the games regularly then the whole situation improves dramatically. On the whole gates this season are no better than last. We are in a great position for promotion but still the people don't show. If we fail to get automatic promotion but get to the play off final then you can garauntee 30,000 "LOYAL" fans will be there. We need to get a good attendance on Saturday and all three stands to sing Paolo's name throughout the game. This will inspire the players too as they clearly desperately want the gaffer to stay. COYR's[/p][/quote]Ludicrous. Cannot blame the people of Wiltshire. They have the right to attend what games they choose to. Its the same almost everywhere for clubs our size. The club should be managed accordingly. I realise a better support would be great for all but we all know attendances go up depending on the opposition and occasion. Football is expensive and a luxury for most. People of Wiltshire as a scapegoat for this situation is comical.[/p][/quote]No it is not,if 30000 can find the the time to attend wembley then surely a large proportion could afford/be bothered to attend the CG, yes times are hard and some really cant afford the luxury of football but if we get drawn against a big club tomorrow, a large crowd and probably a packed CG would be guaranteed.If us Town fans want highly quality football then they have to except they have a duty to attend whenever possible.[/p][/quote]You seem to forget the not all of the 30,000 that went to Wembley are from Wiltshire. Wow, I love reading these comments, it just shows that some of our fans are complete idiots. Yes, not everyone went because they are Town fans, some wanted the opportunity to say they have been to Wembley, maybe taking their children there as well, fulfilling a dream? Have you ever thought about that? At the end of the day it is everyone's personal choice if they attend matches, are you going to go knock on 30,000 peoples houses and tell them to get down to the CG? I didn't think so.[/p][/quote]Surely there is a half-way view here... * There were members of my family e.g. the wags that went to Wembley for the big family day that are not interested in going week in week (and I wouldn't want them too...). There are those that live away. However, I know loads of "Swindon fans", that have an opinion on all things STFC, live in Swindon, have the money but very, very rarely come to games. It are the "fans" in this category that hurt our chances of success. * Even when Fitton tried giving away season tickets we couldn't get the right amount of committment, which for a town with a population of 120,000 + the Wltshire catchment is really quite poor...[/p][/quote]A lot of people in Swindon moved here but had no real ties and, when they moved here, weren't into football. It's only since the mid-90s that football has been seen as fashionable. If these people have since been attracted to football, it's more likely they've got their Sky sub and that's it. Their kids will grow up in "supporting" ManYoo or Citeh or Chelski or another big PL team. The challenge for the Town - and Swindon is perhaps unusual in this regard (which does give it potential the higher up the pyramid they are) - is to attract those kids to the CG. They need some innovative things - quid a kid is all right, but you need to reach out to those whose parent(s) would never take them. Even if it's things like a scheme where the parents drop the kids off at a park and ride type place and the club buses them to the ground, looks after them during the match and then makes sure they're picked up afterwards.[/p][/quote]Your post lost all credibility the minute you labelled chelski as a big team.... avo
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5:32pm Mon 4 Feb 13

stfc2012 says...

avo wrote:
Jeremy Hilary Boob wrote:
Stratton Red wrote:
LegendSTFC wrote:
Steve. Brentford wrote:
stfc2012 wrote:
Stilloyal wrote: I still maintain that the people of Wiltshire should shoulder much of the blame for our finacial shortcomings. If more came to the games regularly then the whole situation improves dramatically. On the whole gates this season are no better than last. We are in a great position for promotion but still the people don't show. If we fail to get automatic promotion but get to the play off final then you can garauntee 30,000 "LOYAL" fans will be there. We need to get a good attendance on Saturday and all three stands to sing Paolo's name throughout the game. This will inspire the players too as they clearly desperately want the gaffer to stay. COYR's
Ludicrous. Cannot blame the people of Wiltshire. They have the right to attend what games they choose to. Its the same almost everywhere for clubs our size. The club should be managed accordingly. I realise a better support would be great for all but we all know attendances go up depending on the opposition and occasion. Football is expensive and a luxury for most. People of Wiltshire as a scapegoat for this situation is comical.
No it is not,if 30000 can find the the time to attend wembley then surely a large proportion could afford/be bothered to attend the CG, yes times are hard and some really cant afford the luxury of football but if we get drawn against a big club tomorrow, a large crowd and probably a packed CG would be guaranteed.If us Town fans want highly quality football then they have to except they have a duty to attend whenever possible.
You seem to forget the not all of the 30,000 that went to Wembley are from Wiltshire. Wow, I love reading these comments, it just shows that some of our fans are complete idiots. Yes, not everyone went because they are Town fans, some wanted the opportunity to say they have been to Wembley, maybe taking their children there as well, fulfilling a dream? Have you ever thought about that? At the end of the day it is everyone's personal choice if they attend matches, are you going to go knock on 30,000 peoples houses and tell them to get down to the CG? I didn't think so.
Surely there is a half-way view here... * There were members of my family e.g. the wags that went to Wembley for the big family day that are not interested in going week in week (and I wouldn't want them too...). There are those that live away. However, I know loads of "Swindon fans", that have an opinion on all things STFC, live in Swindon, have the money but very, very rarely come to games. It are the "fans" in this category that hurt our chances of success. * Even when Fitton tried giving away season tickets we couldn't get the right amount of committment, which for a town with a population of 120,000 + the Wltshire catchment is really quite poor...
A lot of people in Swindon moved here but had no real ties and, when they moved here, weren't into football. It's only since the mid-90s that football has been seen as fashionable. If these people have since been attracted to football, it's more likely they've got their Sky sub and that's it. Their kids will grow up in "supporting" ManYoo or Citeh or Chelski or another big PL team. The challenge for the Town - and Swindon is perhaps unusual in this regard (which does give it potential the higher up the pyramid they are) - is to attract those kids to the CG. They need some innovative things - quid a kid is all right, but you need to reach out to those whose parent(s) would never take them. Even if it's things like a scheme where the parents drop the kids off at a park and ride type place and the club buses them to the ground, looks after them during the match and then makes sure they're picked up afterwards.
Your post lost all credibility the minute you labelled chelski as a big team....
And running a crèche to up the numbers. Seriously though we can't force people to come and doing so much as to devalue the game. Football is expensive and for some a luxury. Stfc do have a good scheme for kids but I believe this could maybe be promoted more. I also think the club are not stupid and probably have had umpteen meetings on increasing numbers. It's not easy though and prices can only get so low. With a new board maybe new ideas. I'd like to see everyone that wants to come to a game be able to but there are some football fans that just don't want to come as they like the premier league teams only it seems. That doesn't annoy me but as the quality of football at the CG is often decent I find it silly those who just like the game don't come along. If I moved to Crewe or Carlisle I'd go to a game every now and again just to get my fix. We all have the choice though.
[quote][p][bold]avo[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Jeremy Hilary Boob[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Stratton Red[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]LegendSTFC[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Steve. Brentford[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]stfc2012[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Stilloyal[/bold] wrote: I still maintain that the people of Wiltshire should shoulder much of the blame for our finacial shortcomings. If more came to the games regularly then the whole situation improves dramatically. On the whole gates this season are no better than last. We are in a great position for promotion but still the people don't show. If we fail to get automatic promotion but get to the play off final then you can garauntee 30,000 "LOYAL" fans will be there. We need to get a good attendance on Saturday and all three stands to sing Paolo's name throughout the game. This will inspire the players too as they clearly desperately want the gaffer to stay. COYR's[/p][/quote]Ludicrous. Cannot blame the people of Wiltshire. They have the right to attend what games they choose to. Its the same almost everywhere for clubs our size. The club should be managed accordingly. I realise a better support would be great for all but we all know attendances go up depending on the opposition and occasion. Football is expensive and a luxury for most. People of Wiltshire as a scapegoat for this situation is comical.[/p][/quote]No it is not,if 30000 can find the the time to attend wembley then surely a large proportion could afford/be bothered to attend the CG, yes times are hard and some really cant afford the luxury of football but if we get drawn against a big club tomorrow, a large crowd and probably a packed CG would be guaranteed.If us Town fans want highly quality football then they have to except they have a duty to attend whenever possible.[/p][/quote]You seem to forget the not all of the 30,000 that went to Wembley are from Wiltshire. Wow, I love reading these comments, it just shows that some of our fans are complete idiots. Yes, not everyone went because they are Town fans, some wanted the opportunity to say they have been to Wembley, maybe taking their children there as well, fulfilling a dream? Have you ever thought about that? At the end of the day it is everyone's personal choice if they attend matches, are you going to go knock on 30,000 peoples houses and tell them to get down to the CG? I didn't think so.[/p][/quote]Surely there is a half-way view here... * There were members of my family e.g. the wags that went to Wembley for the big family day that are not interested in going week in week (and I wouldn't want them too...). There are those that live away. However, I know loads of "Swindon fans", that have an opinion on all things STFC, live in Swindon, have the money but very, very rarely come to games. It are the "fans" in this category that hurt our chances of success. * Even when Fitton tried giving away season tickets we couldn't get the right amount of committment, which for a town with a population of 120,000 + the Wltshire catchment is really quite poor...[/p][/quote]A lot of people in Swindon moved here but had no real ties and, when they moved here, weren't into football. It's only since the mid-90s that football has been seen as fashionable. If these people have since been attracted to football, it's more likely they've got their Sky sub and that's it. Their kids will grow up in "supporting" ManYoo or Citeh or Chelski or another big PL team. The challenge for the Town - and Swindon is perhaps unusual in this regard (which does give it potential the higher up the pyramid they are) - is to attract those kids to the CG. They need some innovative things - quid a kid is all right, but you need to reach out to those whose parent(s) would never take them. Even if it's things like a scheme where the parents drop the kids off at a park and ride type place and the club buses them to the ground, looks after them during the match and then makes sure they're picked up afterwards.[/p][/quote]Your post lost all credibility the minute you labelled chelski as a big team....[/p][/quote]And running a crèche to up the numbers. Seriously though we can't force people to come and doing so much as to devalue the game. Football is expensive and for some a luxury. Stfc do have a good scheme for kids but I believe this could maybe be promoted more. I also think the club are not stupid and probably have had umpteen meetings on increasing numbers. It's not easy though and prices can only get so low. With a new board maybe new ideas. I'd like to see everyone that wants to come to a game be able to but there are some football fans that just don't want to come as they like the premier league teams only it seems. That doesn't annoy me but as the quality of football at the CG is often decent I find it silly those who just like the game don't come along. If I moved to Crewe or Carlisle I'd go to a game every now and again just to get my fix. We all have the choice though. stfc2012
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6:12pm Mon 4 Feb 13

smirg kcab says...

£15 tickets for Saturday
Thought marmite morshead would have made this a headline if he was so concerned about our club.
Wonder who made this decision ?
Old or new board members.
Onwards and upwards
£15 tickets for Saturday Thought marmite morshead would have made this a headline if he was so concerned about our club. Wonder who made this decision ? Old or new board members. Onwards and upwards smirg kcab
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6:15pm Mon 4 Feb 13

DarrenSTFCRomain says...

London Red wrote:
Davidsyrett - when you can quote me correctly I may take your point seriously . However -when you speak total tosh your point is total tosh! . Yes I have said we have made profot on our transfer dealings - that is fact - if you can be asked to do some research you will see that is true . I have NEVER said we are making a profit making club as I know fully well (bar 2010 when we did make a profit) we had budgeted losses in the forcasts - that my WHOLE POINT Above . Obviously I don't know idividual wages - but total are known as they are PRINTED IN THE ACCOUNTS! . I can provide you with 2009, 2010 and 2011 numbers as I have copies of the accounts . So that is how I know those figures - they are readily available to all - so I'm not in the know - just not lazy . The reason I chose Scunthorpe was purely as they have been relegated recently and those figures are available and can therefore be used - google them if you don't believe me - wonderful thing that well kept secret of google! . If you have Bristol City's accounts to hand and want to use them in a debate feel free to provide them! . I don't but know what Scunthorpe lost in TV money - so that is more relevant that made up numbers! . Or if you prefer I could simply do what many others do and make numbers up to suit my arguement!
Were not bristol shaty and were not in the championship....

So why even bother with this as we cant make note of any of it as we are not there...
SO YET AGAIN lr ITS ALL IFS AND BUTS...FACT
[quote][p][bold]London Red[/bold] wrote: Davidsyrett - when you can quote me correctly I may take your point seriously . However -when you speak total tosh your point is total tosh! . Yes I have said we have made profot on our transfer dealings - that is fact - if you can be asked to do some research you will see that is true . I have NEVER said we are making a profit making club as I know fully well (bar 2010 when we did make a profit) we had budgeted losses in the forcasts - that my WHOLE POINT Above . Obviously I don't know idividual wages - but total are known as they are PRINTED IN THE ACCOUNTS! . I can provide you with 2009, 2010 and 2011 numbers as I have copies of the accounts . So that is how I know those figures - they are readily available to all - so I'm not in the know - just not lazy . The reason I chose Scunthorpe was purely as they have been relegated recently and those figures are available and can therefore be used - google them if you don't believe me - wonderful thing that well kept secret of google! . If you have Bristol City's accounts to hand and want to use them in a debate feel free to provide them! . I don't but know what Scunthorpe lost in TV money - so that is more relevant that made up numbers! . Or if you prefer I could simply do what many others do and make numbers up to suit my arguement![/p][/quote]Were not bristol shaty and were not in the championship.... So why even bother with this as we cant make note of any of it as we are not there... SO YET AGAIN lr ITS ALL IFS AND BUTS...FACT DarrenSTFCRomain
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6:20pm Mon 4 Feb 13

jayden says...

Steve. Brentford wrote:
Stratton Red wrote:
LegendSTFC wrote:
Steve. Brentford wrote:
stfc2012 wrote:
Stilloyal wrote: I still maintain that the people of Wiltshire should shoulder much of the blame for our finacial shortcomings. If more came to the games regularly then the whole situation improves dramatically. On the whole gates this season are no better than last. We are in a great position for promotion but still the people don't show. If we fail to get automatic promotion but get to the play off final then you can garauntee 30,000 "LOYAL" fans will be there. We need to get a good attendance on Saturday and all three stands to sing Paolo's name throughout the game. This will inspire the players too as they clearly desperately want the gaffer to stay. COYR's
Ludicrous. Cannot blame the people of Wiltshire. They have the right to attend what games they choose to. Its the same almost everywhere for clubs our size. The club should be managed accordingly. I realise a better support would be great for all but we all know attendances go up depending on the opposition and occasion. Football is expensive and a luxury for most. People of Wiltshire as a scapegoat for this situation is comical.
No it is not,if 30000 can find the the time to attend wembley then surely a large proportion could afford/be bothered to attend the CG, yes times are hard and some really cant afford the luxury of football but if we get drawn against a big club tomorrow, a large crowd and probably a packed CG would be guaranteed.If us Town fans want highly quality football then they have to except they have a duty to attend whenever possible.
You seem to forget the not all of the 30,000 that went to Wembley are from Wiltshire. Wow, I love reading these comments, it just shows that some of our fans are complete idiots. Yes, not everyone went because they are Town fans, some wanted the opportunity to say they have been to Wembley, maybe taking their children there as well, fulfilling a dream? Have you ever thought about that? At the end of the day it is everyone's personal choice if they attend matches, are you going to go knock on 30,000 peoples houses and tell them to get down to the CG? I didn't think so.
Surely there is a half-way view here...
*
There were members of my family e.g. the wags that went to Wembley for the big family day that are not interested in going week in week (and I wouldn't want them too...). There are those that live away. However, I know loads of "Swindon fans", that have an opinion on all things STFC, live in Swindon, have the money but very, very rarely come to games. It are the "fans" in this category that hurt our chances of success.
*
Even when Fitton tried giving away season tickets we couldn't get the right amount of committment, which for a town with a population of 120,000 + the Wltshire catchment is really quite poor...
Yes Stratton its those type of fans i was referring to, i was going out so tried to get the post out as clear as i could and quickly!

LegendSTFC of course everyone as right to attend if they feel like it,i live far enough away from Swindon to stop me going to all games so it would be contradictory of me to say other wise,i know loads of people from Swindon and many choose to go when they have little else to do or when we have a big game,when when i speak to a lot of these i can guarantee i get told "if we go up this season i will go all the time"the problem is the ones that either don't attend or attend once in a while as Stratton pit it "hurt our chances of success.
note i answered you without being rude or calling you names,so please have the courtesy of not calling me/others idiots because you don't agree with another's opinion.Falling that abuse away and i will reply likewise.
Thats because le god spends to much time on the pox site steve its second nature.
[quote][p][bold]Steve. Brentford[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Stratton Red[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]LegendSTFC[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Steve. Brentford[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]stfc2012[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Stilloyal[/bold] wrote: I still maintain that the people of Wiltshire should shoulder much of the blame for our finacial shortcomings. If more came to the games regularly then the whole situation improves dramatically. On the whole gates this season are no better than last. We are in a great position for promotion but still the people don't show. If we fail to get automatic promotion but get to the play off final then you can garauntee 30,000 "LOYAL" fans will be there. We need to get a good attendance on Saturday and all three stands to sing Paolo's name throughout the game. This will inspire the players too as they clearly desperately want the gaffer to stay. COYR's[/p][/quote]Ludicrous. Cannot blame the people of Wiltshire. They have the right to attend what games they choose to. Its the same almost everywhere for clubs our size. The club should be managed accordingly. I realise a better support would be great for all but we all know attendances go up depending on the opposition and occasion. Football is expensive and a luxury for most. People of Wiltshire as a scapegoat for this situation is comical.[/p][/quote]No it is not,if 30000 can find the the time to attend wembley then surely a large proportion could afford/be bothered to attend the CG, yes times are hard and some really cant afford the luxury of football but if we get drawn against a big club tomorrow, a large crowd and probably a packed CG would be guaranteed.If us Town fans want highly quality football then they have to except they have a duty to attend whenever possible.[/p][/quote]You seem to forget the not all of the 30,000 that went to Wembley are from Wiltshire. Wow, I love reading these comments, it just shows that some of our fans are complete idiots. Yes, not everyone went because they are Town fans, some wanted the opportunity to say they have been to Wembley, maybe taking their children there as well, fulfilling a dream? Have you ever thought about that? At the end of the day it is everyone's personal choice if they attend matches, are you going to go knock on 30,000 peoples houses and tell them to get down to the CG? I didn't think so.[/p][/quote]Surely there is a half-way view here... * There were members of my family e.g. the wags that went to Wembley for the big family day that are not interested in going week in week (and I wouldn't want them too...). There are those that live away. However, I know loads of "Swindon fans", that have an opinion on all things STFC, live in Swindon, have the money but very, very rarely come to games. It are the "fans" in this category that hurt our chances of success. * Even when Fitton tried giving away season tickets we couldn't get the right amount of committment, which for a town with a population of 120,000 + the Wltshire catchment is really quite poor...[/p][/quote]Yes Stratton its those type of fans i was referring to, i was going out so tried to get the post out as clear as i could and quickly! LegendSTFC of course everyone as right to attend if they feel like it,i live far enough away from Swindon to stop me going to all games so it would be contradictory of me to say other wise,i know loads of people from Swindon and many choose to go when they have little else to do or when we have a big game,when when i speak to a lot of these i can guarantee i get told "if we go up this season i will go all the time"the problem is the ones that either don't attend or attend once in a while as Stratton pit it "hurt our chances of success. note i answered you without being rude or calling you names,so please have the courtesy of not calling me/others idiots because you don't agree with another's opinion.Falling that abuse away and i will reply likewise.[/p][/quote]Thats because le god spends to much time on the pox site steve its second nature. jayden
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6:25pm Mon 4 Feb 13

jayden says...

This is the name i have been given as one of the 5 Mondrowe and he lives in buckland.Dont know if it is true but thats what i have been told.
This is the name i have been given as one of the 5 Mondrowe and he lives in buckland.Dont know if it is true but thats what i have been told. jayden
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7:17pm Mon 4 Feb 13

super reds says...

jayden wrote:
This is the name i have been given as one of the 5 Mondrowe and he lives in buckland.Dont know if it is true but thats what i have been told.
Just spoke to a mate that used to live in Buckland & he's never heard of a Mondrowe, however he hasn't lived there for a while (still lives close by) but knows people from his time there, he's going to 'phone a friend' so to speak to see if he can find out anything...
[quote][p][bold]jayden[/bold] wrote: This is the name i have been given as one of the 5 Mondrowe and he lives in buckland.Dont know if it is true but thats what i have been told.[/p][/quote]Just spoke to a mate that used to live in Buckland & he's never heard of a Mondrowe, however he hasn't lived there for a while (still lives close by) but knows people from his time there, he's going to 'phone a friend' so to speak to see if he can find out anything... super reds
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7:19pm Mon 4 Feb 13

Steve. Brentford says...

jayden wrote:
Steve. Brentford wrote:
Stratton Red wrote:
LegendSTFC wrote:
Steve. Brentford wrote:
stfc2012 wrote:
Stilloyal wrote: I still maintain that the people of Wiltshire should shoulder much of the blame for our finacial shortcomings. If more came to the games regularly then the whole situation improves dramatically. On the whole gates this season are no better than last. We are in a great position for promotion but still the people don't show. If we fail to get automatic promotion but get to the play off final then you can garauntee 30,000 "LOYAL" fans will be there. We need to get a good attendance on Saturday and all three stands to sing Paolo's name throughout the game. This will inspire the players too as they clearly desperately want the gaffer to stay. COYR's
Ludicrous. Cannot blame the people of Wiltshire. They have the right to attend what games they choose to. Its the same almost everywhere for clubs our size. The club should be managed accordingly. I realise a better support would be great for all but we all know attendances go up depending on the opposition and occasion. Football is expensive and a luxury for most. People of Wiltshire as a scapegoat for this situation is comical.
No it is not,if 30000 can find the the time to attend wembley then surely a large proportion could afford/be bothered to attend the CG, yes times are hard and some really cant afford the luxury of football but if we get drawn against a big club tomorrow, a large crowd and probably a packed CG would be guaranteed.If us Town fans want highly quality football then they have to except they have a duty to attend whenever possible.
You seem to forget the not all of the 30,000 that went to Wembley are from Wiltshire. Wow, I love reading these comments, it just shows that some of our fans are complete idiots. Yes, not everyone went because they are Town fans, some wanted the opportunity to say they have been to Wembley, maybe taking their children there as well, fulfilling a dream? Have you ever thought about that? At the end of the day it is everyone's personal choice if they attend matches, are you going to go knock on 30,000 peoples houses and tell them to get down to the CG? I didn't think so.
Surely there is a half-way view here...
*
There were members of my family e.g. the wags that went to Wembley for the big family day that are not interested in going week in week (and I wouldn't want them too...). There are those that live away. However, I know loads of "Swindon fans", that have an opinion on all things STFC, live in Swindon, have the money but very, very rarely come to games. It are the "fans" in this category that hurt our chances of success.
*
Even when Fitton tried giving away season tickets we couldn't get the right amount of committment, which for a town with a population of 120,000 + the Wltshire catchment is really quite poor...
Yes Stratton its those type of fans i was referring to, i was going out so tried to get the post out as clear as i could and quickly!

LegendSTFC of course everyone as right to attend if they feel like it,i live far enough away from Swindon to stop me going to all games so it would be contradictory of me to say other wise,i know loads of people from Swindon and many choose to go when they have little else to do or when we have a big game,when when i speak to a lot of these i can guarantee i get told "if we go up this season i will go all the time"the problem is the ones that either don't attend or attend once in a while as Stratton pit it "hurt our chances of success.
note i answered you without being rude or calling you names,so please have the courtesy of not calling me/others idiots because you don't agree with another's opinion.Falling that abuse away and i will reply likewise.
Thats because le god spends to much time on the pox site steve its second nature.
That maybe true Jayden but i was posting a answer to LegendSTFC ooopppppsss :O)
[quote][p][bold]jayden[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Steve. Brentford[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Stratton Red[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]LegendSTFC[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Steve. Brentford[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]stfc2012[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Stilloyal[/bold] wrote: I still maintain that the people of Wiltshire should shoulder much of the blame for our finacial shortcomings. If more came to the games regularly then the whole situation improves dramatically. On the whole gates this season are no better than last. We are in a great position for promotion but still the people don't show. If we fail to get automatic promotion but get to the play off final then you can garauntee 30,000 "LOYAL" fans will be there. We need to get a good attendance on Saturday and all three stands to sing Paolo's name throughout the game. This will inspire the players too as they clearly desperately want the gaffer to stay. COYR's[/p][/quote]Ludicrous. Cannot blame the people of Wiltshire. They have the right to attend what games they choose to. Its the same almost everywhere for clubs our size. The club should be managed accordingly. I realise a better support would be great for all but we all know attendances go up depending on the opposition and occasion. Football is expensive and a luxury for most. People of Wiltshire as a scapegoat for this situation is comical.[/p][/quote]No it is not,if 30000 can find the the time to attend wembley then surely a large proportion could afford/be bothered to attend the CG, yes times are hard and some really cant afford the luxury of football but if we get drawn against a big club tomorrow, a large crowd and probably a packed CG would be guaranteed.If us Town fans want highly quality football then they have to except they have a duty to attend whenever possible.[/p][/quote]You seem to forget the not all of the 30,000 that went to Wembley are from Wiltshire. Wow, I love reading these comments, it just shows that some of our fans are complete idiots. Yes, not everyone went because they are Town fans, some wanted the opportunity to say they have been to Wembley, maybe taking their children there as well, fulfilling a dream? Have you ever thought about that? At the end of the day it is everyone's personal choice if they attend matches, are you going to go knock on 30,000 peoples houses and tell them to get down to the CG? I didn't think so.[/p][/quote]Surely there is a half-way view here... * There were members of my family e.g. the wags that went to Wembley for the big family day that are not interested in going week in week (and I wouldn't want them too...). There are those that live away. However, I know loads of "Swindon fans", that have an opinion on all things STFC, live in Swindon, have the money but very, very rarely come to games. It are the "fans" in this category that hurt our chances of success. * Even when Fitton tried giving away season tickets we couldn't get the right amount of committment, which for a town with a population of 120,000 + the Wltshire catchment is really quite poor...[/p][/quote]Yes Stratton its those type of fans i was referring to, i was going out so tried to get the post out as clear as i could and quickly! LegendSTFC of course everyone as right to attend if they feel like it,i live far enough away from Swindon to stop me going to all games so it would be contradictory of me to say other wise,i know loads of people from Swindon and many choose to go when they have little else to do or when we have a big game,when when i speak to a lot of these i can guarantee i get told "if we go up this season i will go all the time"the problem is the ones that either don't attend or attend once in a while as Stratton pit it "hurt our chances of success. note i answered you without being rude or calling you names,so please have the courtesy of not calling me/others idiots because you don't agree with another's opinion.Falling that abuse away and i will reply likewise.[/p][/quote]Thats because le god spends to much time on the pox site steve its second nature.[/p][/quote]That maybe true Jayden but i was posting a answer to LegendSTFC ooopppppsss :O) Steve. Brentford
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7:22pm Mon 4 Feb 13

Wilesy says...

Digging around came across this from a few years ago at
http://www.guardian.
co.uk/football/2009/
oct/07/fit-and-prope
r-person-test

Q: Who must pass the "fit and proper person test"?

A: Under rules established by the Premier League, Football League and by the Football Association for the Conference, anybody who takes over as a director of a football club, or the owner of more than 30% of a club's shares, must pass the test.

Q: What is the point of the test?

A: It was introduced by the authorities in 2004 following concern that anybody, even those convicted of fraud, could take over football clubs, and it is intended to protect the clubs from people not "fit" or "proper" to run them.

Q: What restrictions do the tests impose?

A: There are several grounds on which you could fail it, but the most important are that anybody with an unspent criminal conviction involving dishonesty, or who has run a football club into administration twice, cannot take over at a club.

Q: Do the tests offer strong protection for clubs?

A: The authorities believe the test shows their determination not to leave clubs vulnerable to wrongdoing, and is an improvement on the position before 2004, when the leagues used to claim they could not introduce such a test. But many people believe it has too little practical effect because it does not examine the plans people have for the clubs, or whether they have genuine money behind them.

Q: Are the Premier and Football League tests the same?

A: The Premier League has significantly strengthened its rules this summer following pressure from the government, while the Football League has not.

Q: What are the important areas in which the Premier League's rules are stronger?

A: The Premier League now asks its members to make public the names of anyone who owns 10% of a club. The Football League asks the clubs who the owners are, but does not make the information public, claiming it cannot, under the Data Protection Act. So fans of Football League clubs can still be in the dark about who owns their club. Also, the Premier League now checks where the money is coming from to fund a club and must pass it as legitimate. Finally, the Premier League now applies the test before a takeover, whereas the Football League still only examines the new directors and shareholders after a takeover has gone through.

Q: Does the Football League have any plans to strengthen its test?

A: Yes, the league's chairman, Lord Mawhinney, has told the government that the league is open to making improvements to its test, in agreement with the other football bodies. He has also asked the government for help in getting behind offshore funds which do not name the owners. However, some argue that the league does not need the government's help, and should enforce its own test simply by demanding that all 30% owners reveal who they are. If they do not, the league could refuse to allow them to take clubs over.
Digging around came across this from a few years ago at http://www.guardian. co.uk/football/2009/ oct/07/fit-and-prope r-person-test Q: Who must pass the "fit and proper person test"? A: Under rules established by the Premier League, Football League and by the Football Association for the Conference, anybody who takes over as a director of a football club, or the owner of more than 30% of a club's shares, must pass the test. Q: What is the point of the test? A: It was introduced by the authorities in 2004 following concern that anybody, even those convicted of fraud, could take over football clubs, and it is intended to protect the clubs from people not "fit" or "proper" to run them. Q: What restrictions do the tests impose? A: There are several grounds on which you could fail it, but the most important are that anybody with an unspent criminal conviction involving dishonesty, or who has run a football club into administration twice, cannot take over at a club. Q: Do the tests offer strong protection for clubs? A: The authorities believe the test shows their determination not to leave clubs vulnerable to wrongdoing, and is an improvement on the position before 2004, when the leagues used to claim they could not introduce such a test. But many people believe it has too little practical effect because it does not examine the plans people have for the clubs, or whether they have genuine money behind them. Q: Are the Premier and Football League tests the same? A: The Premier League has significantly strengthened its rules this summer following pressure from the government, while the Football League has not. Q: What are the important areas in which the Premier League's rules are stronger? A: The Premier League now asks its members to make public the names of anyone who owns 10% of a club. The Football League asks the clubs who the owners are, but does not make the information public, claiming it cannot, under the Data Protection Act. So fans of Football League clubs can still be in the dark about who owns their club. Also, the Premier League now checks where the money is coming from to fund a club and must pass it as legitimate. Finally, the Premier League now applies the test before a takeover, whereas the Football League still only examines the new directors and shareholders after a takeover has gone through. Q: Does the Football League have any plans to strengthen its test? A: Yes, the league's chairman, Lord Mawhinney, has told the government that the league is open to making improvements to its test, in agreement with the other football bodies. He has also asked the government for help in getting behind offshore funds which do not name the owners. However, some argue that the league does not need the government's help, and should enforce its own test simply by demanding that all 30% owners reveal who they are. If they do not, the league could refuse to allow them to take clubs over. Wilesy
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7:27pm Mon 4 Feb 13

jayden says...

super reds wrote:
jayden wrote:
This is the name i have been given as one of the 5 Mondrowe and he lives in buckland.Dont know if it is true but thats what i have been told.
Just spoke to a mate that used to live in Buckland & he's never heard of a Mondrowe, however he hasn't lived there for a while (still lives close by) but knows people from his time there, he's going to 'phone a friend' so to speak to see if he can find out anything...
Not sure if the spelling is correct .
[quote][p][bold]super reds[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]jayden[/bold] wrote: This is the name i have been given as one of the 5 Mondrowe and he lives in buckland.Dont know if it is true but thats what i have been told.[/p][/quote]Just spoke to a mate that used to live in Buckland & he's never heard of a Mondrowe, however he hasn't lived there for a while (still lives close by) but knows people from his time there, he's going to 'phone a friend' so to speak to see if he can find out anything...[/p][/quote]Not sure if the spelling is correct . jayden
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7:35pm Mon 4 Feb 13

jayden says...

Steve. Brentford wrote:
jayden wrote:
Steve. Brentford wrote:
Stratton Red wrote:
LegendSTFC wrote:
Steve. Brentford wrote:
stfc2012 wrote:
Stilloyal wrote: I still maintain that the people of Wiltshire should shoulder much of the blame for our finacial shortcomings. If more came to the games regularly then the whole situation improves dramatically. On the whole gates this season are no better than last. We are in a great position for promotion but still the people don't show. If we fail to get automatic promotion but get to the play off final then you can garauntee 30,000 "LOYAL" fans will be there. We need to get a good attendance on Saturday and all three stands to sing Paolo's name throughout the game. This will inspire the players too as they clearly desperately want the gaffer to stay. COYR's
Ludicrous. Cannot blame the people of Wiltshire. They have the right to attend what games they choose to. Its the same almost everywhere for clubs our size. The club should be managed accordingly. I realise a better support would be great for all but we all know attendances go up depending on the opposition and occasion. Football is expensive and a luxury for most. People of Wiltshire as a scapegoat for this situation is comical.
No it is not,if 30000 can find the the time to attend wembley then surely a large proportion could afford/be bothered to attend the CG, yes times are hard and some really cant afford the luxury of football but if we get drawn against a big club tomorrow, a large crowd and probably a packed CG would be guaranteed.If us Town fans want highly quality football then they have to except they have a duty to attend whenever possible.
You seem to forget the not all of the 30,000 that went to Wembley are from Wiltshire. Wow, I love reading these comments, it just shows that some of our fans are complete idiots. Yes, not everyone went because they are Town fans, some wanted the opportunity to say they have been to Wembley, maybe taking their children there as well, fulfilling a dream? Have you ever thought about that? At the end of the day it is everyone's personal choice if they attend matches, are you going to go knock on 30,000 peoples houses and tell them to get down to the CG? I didn't think so.
Surely there is a half-way view here...
*
There were members of my family e.g. the wags that went to Wembley for the big family day that are not interested in going week in week (and I wouldn't want them too...). There are those that live away. However, I know loads of "Swindon fans", that have an opinion on all things STFC, live in Swindon, have the money but very, very rarely come to games. It are the "fans" in this category that hurt our chances of success.
*
Even when Fitton tried giving away season tickets we couldn't get the right amount of committment, which for a town with a population of 120,000 + the Wltshire catchment is really quite poor...
Yes Stratton its those type of fans i was referring to, i was going out so tried to get the post out as clear as i could and quickly!

LegendSTFC of course everyone as right to attend if they feel like it,i live far enough away from Swindon to stop me going to all games so it would be contradictory of me to say other wise,i know loads of people from Swindon and many choose to go when they have little else to do or when we have a big game,when when i speak to a lot of these i can guarantee i get told "if we go up this season i will go all the time"the problem is the ones that either don't attend or attend once in a while as Stratton pit it "hurt our chances of success.
note i answered you without being rude or calling you names,so please have the courtesy of not calling me/others idiots because you don't agree with another's opinion.Falling that abuse away and i will reply likewise.
Thats because le god spends to much time on the pox site steve its second nature.
That maybe true Jayden but i was posting a answer to LegendSTFC ooopppppsss :O)
Ah i only saw legods post towards you.How are you steve ? still busy? I have just lost a big job so things have gone a bit sour so i won't be at many away games for a while or putting a bid in to but the town .
[quote][p][bold]Steve. Brentford[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]jayden[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Steve. Brentford[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Stratton Red[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]LegendSTFC[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Steve. Brentford[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]stfc2012[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Stilloyal[/bold] wrote: I still maintain that the people of Wiltshire should shoulder much of the blame for our finacial shortcomings. If more came to the games regularly then the whole situation improves dramatically. On the whole gates this season are no better than last. We are in a great position for promotion but still the people don't show. If we fail to get automatic promotion but get to the play off final then you can garauntee 30,000 "LOYAL" fans will be there. We need to get a good attendance on Saturday and all three stands to sing Paolo's name throughout the game. This will inspire the players too as they clearly desperately want the gaffer to stay. COYR's[/p][/quote]Ludicrous. Cannot blame the people of Wiltshire. They have the right to attend what games they choose to. Its the same almost everywhere for clubs our size. The club should be managed accordingly. I realise a better support would be great for all but we all know attendances go up depending on the opposition and occasion. Football is expensive and a luxury for most. People of Wiltshire as a scapegoat for this situation is comical.[/p][/quote]No it is not,if 30000 can find the the time to attend wembley then surely a large proportion could afford/be bothered to attend the CG, yes times are hard and some really cant afford the luxury of football but if we get drawn against a big club tomorrow, a large crowd and probably a packed CG would be guaranteed.If us Town fans want highly quality football then they have to except they have a duty to attend whenever possible.[/p][/quote]You seem to forget the not all of the 30,000 that went to Wembley are from Wiltshire. Wow, I love reading these comments, it just shows that some of our fans are complete idiots. Yes, not everyone went because they are Town fans, some wanted the opportunity to say they have been to Wembley, maybe taking their children there as well, fulfilling a dream? Have you ever thought about that? At the end of the day it is everyone's personal choice if they attend matches, are you going to go knock on 30,000 peoples houses and tell them to get down to the CG? I didn't think so.[/p][/quote]Surely there is a half-way view here... * There were members of my family e.g. the wags that went to Wembley for the big family day that are not interested in going week in week (and I wouldn't want them too...). There are those that live away. However, I know loads of "Swindon fans", that have an opinion on all things STFC, live in Swindon, have the money but very, very rarely come to games. It are the "fans" in this category that hurt our chances of success. * Even when Fitton tried giving away season tickets we couldn't get the right amount of committment, which for a town with a population of 120,000 + the Wltshire catchment is really quite poor...[/p][/quote]Yes Stratton its those type of fans i was referring to, i was going out so tried to get the post out as clear as i could and quickly! LegendSTFC of course everyone as right to attend if they feel like it,i live far enough away from Swindon to stop me going to all games so it would be contradictory of me to say other wise,i know loads of people from Swindon and many choose to go when they have little else to do or when we have a big game,when when i speak to a lot of these i can guarantee i get told "if we go up this season i will go all the time"the problem is the ones that either don't attend or attend once in a while as Stratton pit it "hurt our chances of success. note i answered you without being rude or calling you names,so please have the courtesy of not calling me/others idiots because you don't agree with another's opinion.Falling that abuse away and i will reply likewise.[/p][/quote]Thats because le god spends to much time on the pox site steve its second nature.[/p][/quote]That maybe true Jayden but i was posting a answer to LegendSTFC ooopppppsss :O)[/p][/quote]Ah i only saw legods post towards you.How are you steve ? still busy? I have just lost a big job so things have gone a bit sour so i won't be at many away games for a while or putting a bid in to but the town . jayden
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7:55pm Mon 4 Feb 13

London Red says...

Devon – Thank you for coming back with actual facts and figures as it makes your argument so much stronger than – you’re wrong as I said so!
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Having now looked at these accounts I do partially agree with you – I don’t think we could operate a wage bill of £10m
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Though it has also shown me that we don’t need to as Millwall had one of £7.5m last season (up about £2m from L1 – which shows why we need ours as high as it is their's was £5.6m!) So that is Millwall and Scunthorpe way below £10m!
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Who knows what is going on at Sh1tty – a wage bill of £16.6m on revenue of £12m is idiotic to say the least – what makes it worse is they increased in by £2.4m from about £14m the season before!
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However, I do still think profits can be made
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Both set of accounts show TV/league payouts to be £4.7m – so we can safely say we can expect at least that (This will be up with the new deal – how much? But £5m does not seem excessive)
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I think you will agree it the amount I suggested earlier was pretty accurate – Millwall showed their increase was up £4.1m! (Not sure why they got £0.4m less than us in 09/10?)
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The other interesting feature I saw was Millwall didn’t show an increase in Matchday revenue – despite an increase in crowds of 1,500???
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Ours have been static at 8,400 for 4 years now but am convinced by the games against Forest, Leicester, ****, Portsmouth, Sheff Wed, Brighton, Leeds, Charlton, Norwich Southampton etc etc in L1 which have all bee around 12k – that we will see our average at around that mark – especially as even bigger sides exist – i.e. Wolves, Birmingham and possibly QPR Reading and Villa!
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So if our average Matchday has been £2.5m for the last 3 accounts for 8,400 – we can say (very crudely!) it is £300 per supporter – so 12,000 would be £3.6m –prices WILL go up so we could say £4m is realistic (£333 per supporter) and in line with Millwall who were over £4m in L1 and Championship
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The other thing I found amazing was Sh1tty’s admin costs are about £6m! I don’t think ours will go up much as have been stable for the last few years – but why are Sh1tty’s double? I would say £3m tops for us allowing a 10% rise
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However- they did have £3m from Stadium revenue – so that shows why we need to develop it to generate some money 365 not just 23!!!!
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Commercial showed only a small increase for Millwall – so best to leave that roughly as what it is – up £0.3 to nearest round numbers
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Matchday £4.0m
League £5.0m
Sponsorship £0.5
Commercial £1.0m
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Total £10.5m
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Less Operating £3m
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Break Even Wages £7.5m
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Must admit I had expected about £12m revenue before – thus my double the wage bill remark – but should we stick to wages around £7.5m we could start to make profit if we establish ourselves, grow the fan base and commercial side of the business
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Plus we haven’t considered net player transfers – as values jump dramatically in the Championship (Austin sell on will match our fee!, Cox went for more despite not really playing)
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It should be built into our model to sell one here and there and then reinvest most in the squad – be it fees or wages – as this would improve the squad as a whole and still allow profit to be made via the retained part
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So if Wes went for £5m – you could spend £3-4m and retain £1-2m
Devon – Thank you for coming back with actual facts and figures as it makes your argument so much stronger than – you’re wrong as I said so! . Having now looked at these accounts I do partially agree with you – I don’t think we could operate a wage bill of £10m . Though it has also shown me that we don’t need to as Millwall had one of £7.5m last season (up about £2m from L1 – which shows why we need ours as high as it is their's was £5.6m!) So that is Millwall and Scunthorpe way below £10m! . Who knows what is going on at Sh1tty – a wage bill of £16.6m on revenue of £12m is idiotic to say the least – what makes it worse is they increased in by £2.4m from about £14m the season before! . However, I do still think profits can be made . Both set of accounts show TV/league payouts to be £4.7m – so we can safely say we can expect at least that (This will be up with the new deal – how much? But £5m does not seem excessive) . I think you will agree it the amount I suggested earlier was pretty accurate – Millwall showed their increase was up £4.1m! (Not sure why they got £0.4m less than us in 09/10?) . The other interesting feature I saw was Millwall didn’t show an increase in Matchday revenue – despite an increase in crowds of 1,500??? . Ours have been static at 8,400 for 4 years now but am convinced by the games against Forest, Leicester, ****, Portsmouth, Sheff Wed, Brighton, Leeds, Charlton, Norwich Southampton etc etc in L1 which have all bee around 12k – that we will see our average at around that mark – especially as even bigger sides exist – i.e. Wolves, Birmingham and possibly QPR Reading and Villa! . So if our average Matchday has been £2.5m for the last 3 accounts for 8,400 – we can say (very crudely!) it is £300 per supporter – so 12,000 would be £3.6m –prices WILL go up so we could say £4m is realistic (£333 per supporter) and in line with Millwall who were over £4m in L1 and Championship . The other thing I found amazing was Sh1tty’s admin costs are about £6m! I don’t think ours will go up much as have been stable for the last few years – but why are Sh1tty’s double? I would say £3m tops for us allowing a 10% rise . However- they did have £3m from Stadium revenue – so that shows why we need to develop it to generate some money 365 not just 23!!!! . Commercial showed only a small increase for Millwall – so best to leave that roughly as what it is – up £0.3 to nearest round numbers . Matchday £4.0m League £5.0m Sponsorship £0.5 Commercial £1.0m -------------------- ------ Total £10.5m -------------------- ------ Less Operating £3m -------------------- -------- Break Even Wages £7.5m . Must admit I had expected about £12m revenue before – thus my double the wage bill remark – but should we stick to wages around £7.5m we could start to make profit if we establish ourselves, grow the fan base and commercial side of the business . Plus we haven’t considered net player transfers – as values jump dramatically in the Championship (Austin sell on will match our fee!, Cox went for more despite not really playing) . It should be built into our model to sell one here and there and then reinvest most in the squad – be it fees or wages – as this would improve the squad as a whole and still allow profit to be made via the retained part . So if Wes went for £5m – you could spend £3-4m and retain £1-2m London Red
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8:38pm Mon 4 Feb 13

RamsburyRed says...

Oh come on LR you're at it again for Wes. Butland went for £3m? He has played at a higher level and is part of the England set up.
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At least some of your other assumptions are getting more reasonable. We should budget for not more then £10m revenue in the Championship - I don't believe our average gate will be 12,000, and my understanding is that the new tv deal squeezes the handout on non-Prem clubs.
Oh come on LR you're at it again for Wes. Butland went for £3m? He has played at a higher level and is part of the England set up. * At least some of your other assumptions are getting more reasonable. We should budget for not more then £10m revenue in the Championship - I don't believe our average gate will be 12,000, and my understanding is that the new tv deal squeezes the handout on non-Prem clubs. RamsburyRed
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8:44pm Mon 4 Feb 13

SAPFanSTFC says...

Is that you Lovesey wrote:
OMG this is hard work on here today....

I went to Crawley on Saturday, just in case it is PDC's last game.

1. There is a lot going on behind the scenes we don't know about, i am taking this from Paolo saying that he has been working difficult circumstances since Wray went and the Tweets from Andrew black recently

2. I will be forever grateful to the Fitton consortium for what they have done and if its true that they have written off 10 million to allow the sale to go through then fair play.

3. PDC has to realise that he has wasted some money, which is ultimately why we are where we are, we can't keep buying players and then giving them away, or loaning big wage players like Bostock and not playing them.

4. PDC is the best manager I have seen at this club for a very very long time and I will be gutted if he goes.

5. AB did state that the sale of Ritchie was with the new owners consent and was to cover the finances in this transition period, if that had to happen to keep the club going, then whilst I wish it were not so, I understand.
Good post Lovesey!
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Have to say I'll be there tomorrow as it is Paolo's first match of the rest of the season.
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Re: 1. There's not a lot happening at all really as Black has all but gone and the new boys are waiting for FL ratification - although I'm sure they'll be ready to go from day one!
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Re: 2. Can't argue - without them we would be in the non league somewhere under the name Swindon Plc or some other such rubbish.....bad taste left in the mouth though but sadly Black has no more money.
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Re 3. Yep I'm sure he does - he learnt the hard way and sadly Black and co had to pay for it - PDC admits he totally underestimated the level of player required in the lower leagues.
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Re 4. Agreed - He is fast becoming a legend (if not already) and is worth his weight from publicity - not to forget that he is becoming a VERY good manager and has matured extremely well...I hope we continue to enjoy his antics next season as well.
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Re 5. Yep he had no choice and if I were the new boys I wouldn't have put £500,000 in without knowing Black and the FL had agreed the deal only to lose the money if they went into admin.
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If this buy-out goes through we are SOOO lucky - regardless of how much money they have....really want to know their plans though - hopefully all will be clear by Saturday!
[quote][p][bold]Is that you Lovesey[/bold] wrote: OMG this is hard work on here today.... I went to Crawley on Saturday, just in case it is PDC's last game. 1. There is a lot going on behind the scenes we don't know about, i am taking this from Paolo saying that he has been working difficult circumstances since Wray went and the Tweets from Andrew black recently 2. I will be forever grateful to the Fitton consortium for what they have done and if its true that they have written off 10 million to allow the sale to go through then fair play. 3. PDC has to realise that he has wasted some money, which is ultimately why we are where we are, we can't keep buying players and then giving them away, or loaning big wage players like Bostock and not playing them. 4. PDC is the best manager I have seen at this club for a very very long time and I will be gutted if he goes. 5. AB did state that the sale of Ritchie was with the new owners consent and was to cover the finances in this transition period, if that had to happen to keep the club going, then whilst I wish it were not so, I understand.[/p][/quote]Good post Lovesey! . Have to say I'll be there tomorrow as it is Paolo's first match of the rest of the season. .. Re: 1. There's not a lot happening at all really as Black has all but gone and the new boys are waiting for FL ratification - although I'm sure they'll be ready to go from day one! . Re: 2. Can't argue - without them we would be in the non league somewhere under the name Swindon Plc or some other such rubbish.....bad taste left in the mouth though but sadly Black has no more money. . Re 3. Yep I'm sure he does - he learnt the hard way and sadly Black and co had to pay for it - PDC admits he totally underestimated the level of player required in the lower leagues. . Re 4. Agreed - He is fast becoming a legend (if not already) and is worth his weight from publicity - not to forget that he is becoming a VERY good manager and has matured extremely well...I hope we continue to enjoy his antics next season as well. . Re 5. Yep he had no choice and if I were the new boys I wouldn't have put £500,000 in without knowing Black and the FL had agreed the deal only to lose the money if they went into admin. ---- If this buy-out goes through we are SOOO lucky - regardless of how much money they have....really want to know their plans though - hopefully all will be clear by Saturday! SAPFanSTFC
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9:35pm Mon 4 Feb 13

Steve. Brentford says...

jayden wrote:
Steve. Brentford wrote:
jayden wrote:
Steve. Brentford wrote:
Stratton Red wrote:
LegendSTFC wrote:
Steve. Brentford wrote:
stfc2012 wrote:
Stilloyal wrote: I still maintain that the people of Wiltshire should shoulder much of the blame for our finacial shortcomings. If more came to the games regularly then the whole situation improves dramatically. On the whole gates this season are no better than last. We are in a great position for promotion but still the people don't show. If we fail to get automatic promotion but get to the play off final then you can garauntee 30,000 "LOYAL" fans will be there. We need to get a good attendance on Saturday and all three stands to sing Paolo's name throughout the game. This will inspire the players too as they clearly desperately want the gaffer to stay. COYR's
Ludicrous. Cannot blame the people of Wiltshire. They have the right to attend what games they choose to. Its the same almost everywhere for clubs our size. The club should be managed accordingly. I realise a better support would be great for all but we all know attendances go up depending on the opposition and occasion. Football is expensive and a luxury for most. People of Wiltshire as a scapegoat for this situation is comical.
No it is not,if 30000 can find the the time to attend wembley then surely a large proportion could afford/be bothered to attend the CG, yes times are hard and some really cant afford the luxury of football but if we get drawn against a big club tomorrow, a large crowd and probably a packed CG would be guaranteed.If us Town fans want highly quality football then they have to except they have a duty to attend whenever possible.
You seem to forget the not all of the 30,000 that went to Wembley are from Wiltshire. Wow, I love reading these comments, it just shows that some of our fans are complete idiots. Yes, not everyone went because they are Town fans, some wanted the opportunity to say they have been to Wembley, maybe taking their children there as well, fulfilling a dream? Have you ever thought about that? At the end of the day it is everyone's personal choice if they attend matches, are you going to go knock on 30,000 peoples houses and tell them to get down to the CG? I didn't think so.
Surely there is a half-way view here...
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There were members of my family e.g. the wags that went to Wembley for the big family day that are not interested in going week in week (and I wouldn't want them too...). There are those that live away. However, I know loads of "Swindon fans", that have an opinion on all things STFC, live in Swindon, have the money but very, very rarely come to games. It are the "fans" in this category that hurt our chances of success.
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Even when Fitton tried giving away season tickets we couldn't get the right amount of committment, which for a town with a population of 120,000 + the Wltshire catchment is really quite poor...
Yes Stratton its those type of fans i was referring to, i was going out so tried to get the post out as clear as i could and quickly!

LegendSTFC of course everyone as right to attend if they feel like it,i live far enough away from Swindon to stop me going to all games so it would be contradictory of me to say other wise,i know loads of people from Swindon and many choose to go when they have little else to do or when we have a big game,when when i speak to a lot of these i can guarantee i get told "if we go up this season i will go all the time"the problem is the ones that either don't attend or attend once in a while as Stratton pit it "hurt our chances of success.
note i answered you without being rude or calling you names,so please have the courtesy of not calling me/others idiots because you don't agree with another's opinion.Falling that abuse away and i will reply likewise.
Thats because le god spends to much time on the pox site steve its second nature.
That maybe true Jayden but i was posting a answer to LegendSTFC ooopppppsss :O)
Ah i only saw legods post towards you.How are you steve ? still busy? I have just lost a big job so things have gone a bit sour so i won't be at many away games for a while or putting a bid in to but the town .
Haha Jay Legod didn't post LegendSTFC did.
Anyway things are a little quieter mate i hope to be in the South of France over Easter doing a little fishing on the river Lotte that`s as long as everything is well at home and work,hope things pick up for you soon and if you do manage to get to go to the Franchise game let me know on here or by phone/email.
[quote][p][bold]jayden[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Steve. Brentford[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]jayden[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Steve. Brentford[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Stratton Red[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]LegendSTFC[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Steve. Brentford[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]stfc2012[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Stilloyal[/bold] wrote: I still maintain that the people of Wiltshire should shoulder much of the blame for our finacial shortcomings. If more came to the games regularly then the whole situation improves dramatically. On the whole gates this season are no better than last. We are in a great position for promotion but still the people don't show. If we fail to get automatic promotion but get to the play off final then you can garauntee 30,000 "LOYAL" fans will be there. We need to get a good attendance on Saturday and all three stands to sing Paolo's name throughout the game. This will inspire the players too as they clearly desperately want the gaffer to stay. COYR's[/p][/quote]Ludicrous. Cannot blame the people of Wiltshire. They have the right to attend what games they choose to. Its the same almost everywhere for clubs our size. The club should be managed accordingly. I realise a better support would be great for all but we all know attendances go up depending on the opposition and occasion. Football is expensive and a luxury for most. People of Wiltshire as a scapegoat for this situation is comical.[/p][/quote]No it is not,if 30000 can find the the time to attend wembley then surely a large proportion could afford/be bothered to attend the CG, yes times are hard and some really cant afford the luxury of football but if we get drawn against a big club tomorrow, a large crowd and probably a packed CG would be guaranteed.If us Town fans want highly quality football then they have to except they have a duty to attend whenever possible.[/p][/quote]You seem to forget the not all of the 30,000 that went to Wembley are from Wiltshire. Wow, I love reading these comments, it just shows that some of our fans are complete idiots. Yes, not everyone went because they are Town fans, some wanted the opportunity to say they have been to Wembley, maybe taking their children there as well, fulfilling a dream? Have you ever thought about that? At the end of the day it is everyone's personal choice if they attend matches, are you going to go knock on 30,000 peoples houses and tell them to get down to the CG? I didn't think so.[/p][/quote]Surely there is a half-way view here... * There were members of my family e.g. the wags that went to Wembley for the big family day that are not interested in going week in week (and I wouldn't want them too...). There are those that live away. However, I know loads of "Swindon fans", that have an opinion on all things STFC, live in Swindon, have the money but very, very rarely come to games. It are the "fans" in this category that hurt our chances of success. * Even when Fitton tried giving away season tickets we couldn't get the right amount of committment, which for a town with a population of 120,000 + the Wltshire catchment is really quite poor...[/p][/quote]Yes Stratton its those type of fans i was referring to, i was going out so tried to get the post out as clear as i could and quickly! LegendSTFC of course everyone as right to attend if they feel like it,i live far enough away from Swindon to stop me going to all games so it would be contradictory of me to say other wise,i know loads of people from Swindon and many choose to go when they have little else to do or when we have a big game,when when i speak to a lot of these i can guarantee i get told "if we go up this season i will go all the time"the problem is the ones that either don't attend or attend once in a while as Stratton pit it "hurt our chances of success. note i answered you without being rude or calling you names,so please have the courtesy of not calling me/others idiots because you don't agree with another's opinion.Falling that abuse away and i will reply likewise.[/p][/quote]Thats because le god spends to much time on the pox site steve its second nature.[/p][/quote]That maybe true Jayden but i was posting a answer to LegendSTFC ooopppppsss :O)[/p][/quote]Ah i only saw legods post towards you.How are you steve ? still busy? I have just lost a big job so things have gone a bit sour so i won't be at many away games for a while or putting a bid in to but the town .[/p][/quote]Haha Jay Legod didn't post LegendSTFC did. Anyway things are a little quieter mate i hope to be in the South of France over Easter doing a little fishing on the river Lotte that`s as long as everything is well at home and work,hope things pick up for you soon and if you do manage to get to go to the Franchise game let me know on here or by phone/email. Steve. Brentford
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9:37pm Mon 4 Feb 13

Davidsyrett says...

London Red wrote:
Devon – Thank you for coming back with actual facts and figures as it makes your argument so much stronger than – you’re wrong as I said so!
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Having now looked at these accounts I do partially agree with you – I don’t think we could operate a wage bill of £10m
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Though it has also shown me that we don’t need to as Millwall had one of £7.5m last season (up about £2m from L1 – which shows why we need ours as high as it is their's was £5.6m!) So that is Millwall and Scunthorpe way below £10m!
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Who knows what is going on at Sh1tty – a wage bill of £16.6m on revenue of £12m is idiotic to say the least – what makes it worse is they increased in by £2.4m from about £14m the season before!
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However, I do still think profits can be made
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Both set of accounts show TV/league payouts to be £4.7m – so we can safely say we can expect at least that (This will be up with the new deal – how much? But £5m does not seem excessive)
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I think you will agree it the amount I suggested earlier was pretty accurate – Millwall showed their increase was up £4.1m! (Not sure why they got £0.4m less than us in 09/10?)
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The other interesting feature I saw was Millwall didn’t show an increase in Matchday revenue – despite an increase in crowds of 1,500???
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Ours have been static at 8,400 for 4 years now but am convinced by the games against Forest, Leicester, ****, Portsmouth, Sheff Wed, Brighton, Leeds, Charlton, Norwich Southampton etc etc in L1 which have all bee around 12k – that we will see our average at around that mark – especially as even bigger sides exist – i.e. Wolves, Birmingham and possibly QPR Reading and Villa!
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So if our average Matchday has been £2.5m for the last 3 accounts for 8,400 – we can say (very crudely!) it is £300 per supporter – so 12,000 would be £3.6m –prices WILL go up so we could say £4m is realistic (£333 per supporter) and in line with Millwall who were over £4m in L1 and Championship
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The other thing I found amazing was Sh1tty’s admin costs are about £6m! I don’t think ours will go up much as have been stable for the last few years – but why are Sh1tty’s double? I would say £3m tops for us allowing a 10% rise
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However- they did have £3m from Stadium revenue – so that shows why we need to develop it to generate some money 365 not just 23!!!!
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Commercial showed only a small increase for Millwall – so best to leave that roughly as what it is – up £0.3 to nearest round numbers
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Matchday £4.0m
League £5.0m
Sponsorship £0.5
Commercial £1.0m
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Total £10.5m
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Less Operating £3m
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Break Even Wages £7.5m
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Must admit I had expected about £12m revenue before – thus my double the wage bill remark – but should we stick to wages around £7.5m we could start to make profit if we establish ourselves, grow the fan base and commercial side of the business
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Plus we haven’t considered net player transfers – as values jump dramatically in the Championship (Austin sell on will match our fee!, Cox went for more despite not really playing)
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It should be built into our model to sell one here and there and then reinvest most in the squad – be it fees or wages – as this would improve the squad as a whole and still allow profit to be made via the retained part
.
So if Wes went for £5m – you could spend £3-4m and retain £1-2m
LR:

Millwalls wage bill for 2010/11 went up by £2M from 6.4 to £8.4M. There would likely have been an increase this season. They had the second lowest wage bill in the championship. The lowest was Scunthorpe at just £5M. I therefore think that your original figures of about £10M would be nearer the mark.

In the same season the only club to post a profit was Leeds at just under £1M although that included £4M Invested cash reserve from Bates, all the rest lost money.

Millwall made a loss of £600K and that was the 2nd best return after Leeds although to be fair they have £16.7M debt which I would assume would be incurring large interest payments. Their turnover was £11.8M

Assuming our turnover would be about £12M (A fair guess) I would expect us to make a loss of between £1/1.5M.

Ground redevelopment/new stadium would obviously bring in new revenue but there would obviously be a cost involved. Guessing £10M redevelopment, £25/30M new stadium.

Unless we can find substantial new revenue from somewhere I really cannot see how we can make a profit.
[quote][p][bold]London Red[/bold] wrote: Devon – Thank you for coming back with actual facts and figures as it makes your argument so much stronger than – you’re wrong as I said so! . Having now looked at these accounts I do partially agree with you – I don’t think we could operate a wage bill of £10m . Though it has also shown me that we don’t need to as Millwall had one of £7.5m last season (up about £2m from L1 – which shows why we need ours as high as it is their's was £5.6m!) So that is Millwall and Scunthorpe way below £10m! . Who knows what is going on at Sh1tty – a wage bill of £16.6m on revenue of £12m is idiotic to say the least – what makes it worse is they increased in by £2.4m from about £14m the season before! . However, I do still think profits can be made . Both set of accounts show TV/league payouts to be £4.7m – so we can safely say we can expect at least that (This will be up with the new deal – how much? But £5m does not seem excessive) . I think you will agree it the amount I suggested earlier was pretty accurate – Millwall showed their increase was up £4.1m! (Not sure why they got £0.4m less than us in 09/10?) . The other interesting feature I saw was Millwall didn’t show an increase in Matchday revenue – despite an increase in crowds of 1,500??? . Ours have been static at 8,400 for 4 years now but am convinced by the games against Forest, Leicester, ****, Portsmouth, Sheff Wed, Brighton, Leeds, Charlton, Norwich Southampton etc etc in L1 which have all bee around 12k – that we will see our average at around that mark – especially as even bigger sides exist – i.e. Wolves, Birmingham and possibly QPR Reading and Villa! . So if our average Matchday has been £2.5m for the last 3 accounts for 8,400 – we can say (very crudely!) it is £300 per supporter – so 12,000 would be £3.6m –prices WILL go up so we could say £4m is realistic (£333 per supporter) and in line with Millwall who were over £4m in L1 and Championship . The other thing I found amazing was Sh1tty’s admin costs are about £6m! I don’t think ours will go up much as have been stable for the last few years – but why are Sh1tty’s double? I would say £3m tops for us allowing a 10% rise . However- they did have £3m from Stadium revenue – so that shows why we need to develop it to generate some money 365 not just 23!!!! . Commercial showed only a small increase for Millwall – so best to leave that roughly as what it is – up £0.3 to nearest round numbers . Matchday £4.0m League £5.0m Sponsorship £0.5 Commercial £1.0m -------------------- ------ Total £10.5m -------------------- ------ Less Operating £3m -------------------- -------- Break Even Wages £7.5m . Must admit I had expected about £12m revenue before – thus my double the wage bill remark – but should we stick to wages around £7.5m we could start to make profit if we establish ourselves, grow the fan base and commercial side of the business . Plus we haven’t considered net player transfers – as values jump dramatically in the Championship (Austin sell on will match our fee!, Cox went for more despite not really playing) . It should be built into our model to sell one here and there and then reinvest most in the squad – be it fees or wages – as this would improve the squad as a whole and still allow profit to be made via the retained part . So if Wes went for £5m – you could spend £3-4m and retain £1-2m[/p][/quote]LR: Millwalls wage bill for 2010/11 went up by £2M from 6.4 to £8.4M. There would likely have been an increase this season. They had the second lowest wage bill in the championship. The lowest was Scunthorpe at just £5M. I therefore think that your original figures of about £10M would be nearer the mark. In the same season the only club to post a profit was Leeds at just under £1M although that included £4M Invested cash reserve from Bates, all the rest lost money. Millwall made a loss of £600K and that was the 2nd best return after Leeds although to be fair they have £16.7M debt which I would assume would be incurring large interest payments. Their turnover was £11.8M Assuming our turnover would be about £12M (A fair guess) I would expect us to make a loss of between £1/1.5M. Ground redevelopment/new stadium would obviously bring in new revenue but there would obviously be a cost involved. Guessing £10M redevelopment, £25/30M new stadium. Unless we can find substantial new revenue from somewhere I really cannot see how we can make a profit. Davidsyrett
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9:39pm Mon 4 Feb 13

jayden says...

Steve. Brentford wrote:
jayden wrote:
Steve. Brentford wrote:
jayden wrote:
Steve. Brentford wrote:
Stratton Red wrote:
LegendSTFC wrote:
Steve. Brentford wrote:
stfc2012 wrote:
Stilloyal wrote: I still maintain that the people of Wiltshire should shoulder much of the blame for our finacial shortcomings. If more came to the games regularly then the whole situation improves dramatically. On the whole gates this season are no better than last. We are in a great position for promotion but still the people don't show. If we fail to get automatic promotion but get to the play off final then you can garauntee 30,000 "LOYAL" fans will be there. We need to get a good attendance on Saturday and all three stands to sing Paolo's name throughout the game. This will inspire the players too as they clearly desperately want the gaffer to stay. COYR's
Ludicrous. Cannot blame the people of Wiltshire. They have the right to attend what games they choose to. Its the same almost everywhere for clubs our size. The club should be managed accordingly. I realise a better support would be great for all but we all know attendances go up depending on the opposition and occasion. Football is expensive and a luxury for most. People of Wiltshire as a scapegoat for this situation is comical.
No it is not,if 30000 can find the the time to attend wembley then surely a large proportion could afford/be bothered to attend the CG, yes times are hard and some really cant afford the luxury of football but if we get drawn against a big club tomorrow, a large crowd and probably a packed CG would be guaranteed.If us Town fans want highly quality football then they have to except they have a duty to attend whenever possible.
You seem to forget the not all of the 30,000 that went to Wembley are from Wiltshire. Wow, I love reading these comments, it just shows that some of our fans are complete idiots. Yes, not everyone went because they are Town fans, some wanted the opportunity to say they have been to Wembley, maybe taking their children there as well, fulfilling a dream? Have you ever thought about that? At the end of the day it is everyone's personal choice if they attend matches, are you going to go knock on 30,000 peoples houses and tell them to get down to the CG? I didn't think so.
Surely there is a half-way view here...
*
There were members of my family e.g. the wags that went to Wembley for the big family day that are not interested in going week in week (and I wouldn't want them too...). There are those that live away. However, I know loads of "Swindon fans", that have an opinion on all things STFC, live in Swindon, have the money but very, very rarely come to games. It are the "fans" in this category that hurt our chances of success.
*
Even when Fitton tried giving away season tickets we couldn't get the right amount of committment, which for a town with a population of 120,000 + the Wltshire catchment is really quite poor...
Yes Stratton its those type of fans i was referring to, i was going out so tried to get the post out as clear as i could and quickly!

LegendSTFC of course everyone as right to attend if they feel like it,i live far enough away from Swindon to stop me going to all games so it would be contradictory of me to say other wise,i know loads of people from Swindon and many choose to go when they have little else to do or when we have a big game,when when i speak to a lot of these i can guarantee i get told "if we go up this season i will go all the time"the problem is the ones that either don't attend or attend once in a while as Stratton pit it "hurt our chances of success.
note i answered you without being rude or calling you names,so please have the courtesy of not calling me/others idiots because you don't agree with another's opinion.Falling that abuse away and i will reply likewise.
Thats because le god spends to much time on the pox site steve its second nature.
That maybe true Jayden but i was posting a answer to LegendSTFC ooopppppsss :O)
Ah i only saw legods post towards you.How are you steve ? still busy? I have just lost a big job so things have gone a bit sour so i won't be at many away games for a while or putting a bid in to but the town .
Haha Jay Legod didn't post LegendSTFC did.
Anyway things are a little quieter mate i hope to be in the South of France over Easter doing a little fishing on the river Lotte that`s as long as everything is well at home and work,hope things pick up for you soon and if you do manage to get to go to the Franchise game let me know on here or by phone/email.
Will do mate .A big fat sorry to legod and off to spec savers igo.
[quote][p][bold]Steve. Brentford[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]jayden[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Steve. Brentford[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]jayden[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Steve. Brentford[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Stratton Red[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]LegendSTFC[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Steve. Brentford[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]stfc2012[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Stilloyal[/bold] wrote: I still maintain that the people of Wiltshire should shoulder much of the blame for our finacial shortcomings. If more came to the games regularly then the whole situation improves dramatically. On the whole gates this season are no better than last. We are in a great position for promotion but still the people don't show. If we fail to get automatic promotion but get to the play off final then you can garauntee 30,000 "LOYAL" fans will be there. We need to get a good attendance on Saturday and all three stands to sing Paolo's name throughout the game. This will inspire the players too as they clearly desperately want the gaffer to stay. COYR's[/p][/quote]Ludicrous. Cannot blame the people of Wiltshire. They have the right to attend what games they choose to. Its the same almost everywhere for clubs our size. The club should be managed accordingly. I realise a better support would be great for all but we all know attendances go up depending on the opposition and occasion. Football is expensive and a luxury for most. People of Wiltshire as a scapegoat for this situation is comical.[/p][/quote]No it is not,if 30000 can find the the time to attend wembley then surely a large proportion could afford/be bothered to attend the CG, yes times are hard and some really cant afford the luxury of football but if we get drawn against a big club tomorrow, a large crowd and probably a packed CG would be guaranteed.If us Town fans want highly quality football then they have to except they have a duty to attend whenever possible.[/p][/quote]You seem to forget the not all of the 30,000 that went to Wembley are from Wiltshire. Wow, I love reading these comments, it just shows that some of our fans are complete idiots. Yes, not everyone went because they are Town fans, some wanted the opportunity to say they have been to Wembley, maybe taking their children there as well, fulfilling a dream? Have you ever thought about that? At the end of the day it is everyone's personal choice if they attend matches, are you going to go knock on 30,000 peoples houses and tell them to get down to the CG? I didn't think so.[/p][/quote]Surely there is a half-way view here... * There were members of my family e.g. the wags that went to Wembley for the big family day that are not interested in going week in week (and I wouldn't want them too...). There are those that live away. However, I know loads of "Swindon fans", that have an opinion on all things STFC, live in Swindon, have the money but very, very rarely come to games. It are the "fans" in this category that hurt our chances of success. * Even when Fitton tried giving away season tickets we couldn't get the right amount of committment, which for a town with a population of 120,000 + the Wltshire catchment is really quite poor...[/p][/quote]Yes Stratton its those type of fans i was referring to, i was going out so tried to get the post out as clear as i could and quickly! LegendSTFC of course everyone as right to attend if they feel like it,i live far enough away from Swindon to stop me going to all games so it would be contradictory of me to say other wise,i know loads of people from Swindon and many choose to go when they have little else to do or when we have a big game,when when i speak to a lot of these i can guarantee i get told "if we go up this season i will go all the time"the problem is the ones that either don't attend or attend once in a while as Stratton pit it "hurt our chances of success. note i answered you without being rude or calling you names,so please have the courtesy of not calling me/others idiots because you don't agree with another's opinion.Falling that abuse away and i will reply likewise.[/p][/quote]Thats because le god spends to much time on the pox site steve its second nature.[/p][/quote]That maybe true Jayden but i was posting a answer to LegendSTFC ooopppppsss :O)[/p][/quote]Ah i only saw legods post towards you.How are you steve ? still busy? I have just lost a big job so things have gone a bit sour so i won't be at many away games for a while or putting a bid in to but the town .[/p][/quote]Haha Jay Legod didn't post LegendSTFC did. Anyway things are a little quieter mate i hope to be in the South of France over Easter doing a little fishing on the river Lotte that`s as long as everything is well at home and work,hope things pick up for you soon and if you do manage to get to go to the Franchise game let me know on here or by phone/email.[/p][/quote]Will do mate .A big fat sorry to legod and off to spec savers igo. jayden
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10:42pm Mon 4 Feb 13

SimonPrice351 says...

Lord Mawhiney is nothing to do with the Football League anymore.

I think Greg Kelly is the person who runs the Football League now (ex Leicester City Board Member).
Lord Mawhiney is nothing to do with the Football League anymore. I think Greg Kelly is the person who runs the Football League now (ex Leicester City Board Member). SimonPrice351
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10:47pm Mon 4 Feb 13

SimonPrice351 says...

Don, agreed it probably is b/s but the person who mentioned it (a regular at the quirkiest pub in town...) has been spot on with some things in the past.

He said that Williams was going to sign for us about a week before he agreed terms, and also was spot-on with Foderingham joining.

Anyway, I'll wait and see what happens - if nothing happens I'll force him to bear his backside in Primark for telling porkies.
Don, agreed it probably is b/s but the person who mentioned it (a regular at the quirkiest pub in town...) has been spot on with some things in the past. He said that Williams was going to sign for us about a week before he agreed terms, and also was spot-on with Foderingham joining. Anyway, I'll wait and see what happens - if nothing happens I'll force him to bear his backside in Primark for telling porkies. SimonPrice351
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10:51pm Mon 4 Feb 13

Stilloyal says...

smirg kcab wrote:
£15 tickets for Saturday Thought marmite morshead would have made this a headline if he was so concerned about our club. Wonder who made this decision ? Old or new board members. Onwards and upwards
Think you've lost the plot Grim , the new board can;t make any decisions yet because we don't have a new board.
The price was set three weeks ago , keep up !
[quote][p][bold]smirg kcab[/bold] wrote: £15 tickets for Saturday Thought marmite morshead would have made this a headline if he was so concerned about our club. Wonder who made this decision ? Old or new board members. Onwards and upwards[/p][/quote]Think you've lost the plot Grim , the new board can;t make any decisions yet because we don't have a new board. The price was set three weeks ago , keep up ! Stilloyal
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10:54pm Mon 4 Feb 13

SimonPrice351 says...

As for getting 30,000 in to watch us regularly, we will have to capture the attention of people in Swindon, Chippenham, Calne, Westbury, Wootton Bassett, Warminster etc.

Maybe if the U18s could all play pre-season friendlies against the smaller Western/Hellenic League clubs like Calne, Devizes, Melksham, New College etc. it could be a way of both giving the smaller clubs extra revenue as well as advertising the club outside of Swindon.

Also, is the Crimestoppers Festival still running? Maybe that could also be used as a way of recruiting fans as well through sponsorship etc.

We will need to be frequent Wembley visitors as well - in the FA Cup or League Cup. It's small steps, but these will lead to far bigger ones.
As for getting 30,000 in to watch us regularly, we will have to capture the attention of people in Swindon, Chippenham, Calne, Westbury, Wootton Bassett, Warminster etc. Maybe if the U18s could all play pre-season friendlies against the smaller Western/Hellenic League clubs like Calne, Devizes, Melksham, New College etc. it could be a way of both giving the smaller clubs extra revenue as well as advertising the club outside of Swindon. Also, is the Crimestoppers Festival still running? Maybe that could also be used as a way of recruiting fans as well through sponsorship etc. We will need to be frequent Wembley visitors as well - in the FA Cup or League Cup. It's small steps, but these will lead to far bigger ones. SimonPrice351
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11:03pm Mon 4 Feb 13

LeGod says...

since when have i posted on the poxford forum i've got no interest in a crappy little club like them and when did i have a go at Steve.

Think you got the wrong bloke.
since when have i posted on the poxford forum i've got no interest in a crappy little club like them and when did i have a go at Steve. Think you got the wrong bloke. LeGod
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11:17pm Mon 4 Feb 13

BillyLucas4me says...

LeGod says...
11:03pm Mon 4 Feb 13

since when have i posted on the poxford forum i've got no interest in a crappy little club like them and when did i have a go at Steve.

Think you got the wrong bloke.”


Funny, I too thought you were an Oxford supporter.
Do you live there by chance?
LeGod says... 11:03pm Mon 4 Feb 13 since when have i posted on the poxford forum i've got no interest in a crappy little club like them and when did i have a go at Steve. Think you got the wrong bloke.” Funny, I too thought you were an Oxford supporter. Do you live there by chance? BillyLucas4me
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12:29am Tue 5 Feb 13

old town robin says...

LegendSTFC wrote:
Steve. Brentford wrote:
stfc2012 wrote:
Stilloyal wrote: I still maintain that the people of Wiltshire should shoulder much of the blame for our finacial shortcomings. If more came to the games regularly then the whole situation improves dramatically. On the whole gates this season are no better than last. We are in a great position for promotion but still the people don't show. If we fail to get automatic promotion but get to the play off final then you can garauntee 30,000 "LOYAL" fans will be there. We need to get a good attendance on Saturday and all three stands to sing Paolo's name throughout the game. This will inspire the players too as they clearly desperately want the gaffer to stay. COYR's
Ludicrous. Cannot blame the people of Wiltshire. They have the right to attend what games they choose to. Its the same almost everywhere for clubs our size. The club should be managed accordingly. I realise a better support would be great for all but we all know attendances go up depending on the opposition and occasion. Football is expensive and a luxury for most. People of Wiltshire as a scapegoat for this situation is comical.
No it is not,if 30000 can find the the time to attend wembley then surely a large proportion could afford/be bothered to attend the CG, yes times are hard and some really cant afford the luxury of football but if we get drawn against a big club tomorrow, a large crowd and probably a packed CG would be guaranteed.If us Town fans want highly quality football then they have to except they have a duty to attend whenever possible.
You seem to forget the not all of the 30,000 that went to Wembley are from Wiltshire. Wow, I love reading these comments, it just shows that some of our fans are complete idiots. Yes, not everyone went because they are Town fans, some wanted the opportunity to say they have been to Wembley, maybe taking their children there as well, fulfilling a dream? Have you ever thought about that? At the end of the day it is everyone's personal choice if they attend matches, are you going to go knock on 30,000 peoples houses and tell them to get down to the CG? I didn't think so.
Legend, very well put, I know from fact many supporters took wives, girl friends, children, friends for the day out and are hardly likely to turn out for the whole season. It would great to see a return of the old days of the fifties and sixties with average attendances of 15k+, but then we were an industrial town and the majority of fans were made of Railways workers, Vickers, Plessey, Leyland Garrards personally I have no problem with that, other than if regular attendees could not get tickets because of post code regulations etc. it would have been totally wrong, but in less I'm mistaken that was not the case, there were enough for everyone, but not exactly the best distribrution methology and I do believe our own ticket office should have had the option to sell tickets as it was back in 1969 with ticket stubs from a couple of league games beforehand.
[quote][p][bold]LegendSTFC[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Steve. Brentford[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]stfc2012[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Stilloyal[/bold] wrote: I still maintain that the people of Wiltshire should shoulder much of the blame for our finacial shortcomings. If more came to the games regularly then the whole situation improves dramatically. On the whole gates this season are no better than last. We are in a great position for promotion but still the people don't show. If we fail to get automatic promotion but get to the play off final then you can garauntee 30,000 "LOYAL" fans will be there. We need to get a good attendance on Saturday and all three stands to sing Paolo's name throughout the game. This will inspire the players too as they clearly desperately want the gaffer to stay. COYR's[/p][/quote]Ludicrous. Cannot blame the people of Wiltshire. They have the right to attend what games they choose to. Its the same almost everywhere for clubs our size. The club should be managed accordingly. I realise a better support would be great for all but we all know attendances go up depending on the opposition and occasion. Football is expensive and a luxury for most. People of Wiltshire as a scapegoat for this situation is comical.[/p][/quote]No it is not,if 30000 can find the the time to attend wembley then surely a large proportion could afford/be bothered to attend the CG, yes times are hard and some really cant afford the luxury of football but if we get drawn against a big club tomorrow, a large crowd and probably a packed CG would be guaranteed.If us Town fans want highly quality football then they have to except they have a duty to attend whenever possible.[/p][/quote]You seem to forget the not all of the 30,000 that went to Wembley are from Wiltshire. Wow, I love reading these comments, it just shows that some of our fans are complete idiots. Yes, not everyone went because they are Town fans, some wanted the opportunity to say they have been to Wembley, maybe taking their children there as well, fulfilling a dream? Have you ever thought about that? At the end of the day it is everyone's personal choice if they attend matches, are you going to go knock on 30,000 peoples houses and tell them to get down to the CG? I didn't think so.[/p][/quote]Legend, very well put, I know from fact many supporters took wives, girl friends, children, friends for the day out and are hardly likely to turn out for the whole season. It would great to see a return of the old days of the fifties and sixties with average attendances of 15k+, but then we were an industrial town and the majority of fans were made of Railways workers, Vickers, Plessey, Leyland Garrards personally I have no problem with that, other than if regular attendees could not get tickets because of post code regulations etc. it would have been totally wrong, but in less I'm mistaken that was not the case, there were enough for everyone, but not exactly the best distribrution methology and I do believe our own ticket office should have had the option to sell tickets as it was back in 1969 with ticket stubs from a couple of league games beforehand. old town robin
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7:49am Tue 5 Feb 13

Swindon1984 says...

Stilloyal wrote:
smirg kcab wrote:
£15 tickets for Saturday Thought marmite morshead would have made this a headline if he was so concerned about our club. Wonder who made this decision ? Old or new board members. Onwards and upwards
Think you've lost the plot Grim , the new board can;t make any decisions yet because we don't have a new board.
The price was set three weeks ago , keep up !
Good point, looks like an excuse for a cheap shot at Sam Moreshead or the adver eh! And backed up by total nonsense about the new owners, pathetic.

Really don't know why some need to make these sort of digs at the adver writers, said it before but no-one's paying for the use of this site, and if they've got that much of an objection they're free to get their Swindon goss somewhere else - good luck with that.
[quote][p][bold]Stilloyal[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]smirg kcab[/bold] wrote: £15 tickets for Saturday Thought marmite morshead would have made this a headline if he was so concerned about our club. Wonder who made this decision ? Old or new board members. Onwards and upwards[/p][/quote]Think you've lost the plot Grim , the new board can;t make any decisions yet because we don't have a new board. The price was set three weeks ago , keep up ![/p][/quote]Good point, looks like an excuse for a cheap shot at Sam Moreshead or the adver eh! And backed up by total nonsense about the new owners, pathetic. Really don't know why some need to make these sort of digs at the adver writers, said it before but no-one's paying for the use of this site, and if they've got that much of an objection they're free to get their Swindon goss somewhere else - good luck with that. Swindon1984
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9:07am Tue 5 Feb 13

Davidsyrett says...

LeGod wrote:
since when have i posted on the poxford forum i've got no interest in a crappy little club like them and when did i have a go at Steve.

Think you got the wrong bloke.
I think he meant the Southampton Forum!!
[quote][p][bold]LeGod[/bold] wrote: since when have i posted on the poxford forum i've got no interest in a crappy little club like them and when did i have a go at Steve. Think you got the wrong bloke.[/p][/quote]I think he meant the Southampton Forum!! Davidsyrett
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9:53am Tue 5 Feb 13

Steve. Brentford says...

old town robin wrote:
LegendSTFC wrote:
Steve. Brentford wrote:
stfc2012 wrote:
Stilloyal wrote: I still maintain that the people of Wiltshire should shoulder much of the blame for our finacial shortcomings. If more came to the games regularly then the whole situation improves dramatically. On the whole gates this season are no better than last. We are in a great position for promotion but still the people don't show. If we fail to get automatic promotion but get to the play off final then you can garauntee 30,000 "LOYAL" fans will be there. We need to get a good attendance on Saturday and all three stands to sing Paolo's name throughout the game. This will inspire the players too as they clearly desperately want the gaffer to stay. COYR's
Ludicrous. Cannot blame the people of Wiltshire. They have the right to attend what games they choose to. Its the same almost everywhere for clubs our size. The club should be managed accordingly. I realise a better support would be great for all but we all know attendances go up depending on the opposition and occasion. Football is expensive and a luxury for most. People of Wiltshire as a scapegoat for this situation is comical.
No it is not,if 30000 can find the the time to attend wembley then surely a large proportion could afford/be bothered to attend the CG, yes times are hard and some really cant afford the luxury of football but if we get drawn against a big club tomorrow, a large crowd and probably a packed CG would be guaranteed.If us Town fans want highly quality football then they have to except they have a duty to attend whenever possible.
You seem to forget the not all of the 30,000 that went to Wembley are from Wiltshire. Wow, I love reading these comments, it just shows that some of our fans are complete idiots. Yes, not everyone went because they are Town fans, some wanted the opportunity to say they have been to Wembley, maybe taking their children there as well, fulfilling a dream? Have you ever thought about that? At the end of the day it is everyone's personal choice if they attend matches, are you going to go knock on 30,000 peoples houses and tell them to get down to the CG? I didn't think so.
Legend, very well put, I know from fact many supporters took wives, girl friends, children, friends for the day out and are hardly likely to turn out for the whole season. It would great to see a return of the old days of the fifties and sixties with average attendances of 15k+, but then we were an industrial town and the majority of fans were made of Railways workers, Vickers, Plessey, Leyland Garrards personally I have no problem with that, other than if regular attendees could not get tickets because of post code regulations etc. it would have been totally wrong, but in less I'm mistaken that was not the case, there were enough for everyone, but not exactly the best distribrution methology and I do believe our own ticket office should have had the option to sell tickets as it was back in 1969 with ticket stubs from a couple of league games beforehand.
What was very well put calling people an idiot? stating the bl00dy obvious? the statement "are you going to knock on 30,000 doors and tell them to get down the CG" pathetic thing to say,no sorry OTR i normally respect your posts even if occasionally my opinion may be different but apart from stating the bl00dy obvious like lots of Kids,Wives Friends etc went to Wembley i fail to see what was very well put.
[quote][p][bold]old town robin[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]LegendSTFC[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Steve. Brentford[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]stfc2012[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Stilloyal[/bold] wrote: I still maintain that the people of Wiltshire should shoulder much of the blame for our finacial shortcomings. If more came to the games regularly then the whole situation improves dramatically. On the whole gates this season are no better than last. We are in a great position for promotion but still the people don't show. If we fail to get automatic promotion but get to the play off final then you can garauntee 30,000 "LOYAL" fans will be there. We need to get a good attendance on Saturday and all three stands to sing Paolo's name throughout the game. This will inspire the players too as they clearly desperately want the gaffer to stay. COYR's[/p][/quote]Ludicrous. Cannot blame the people of Wiltshire. They have the right to attend what games they choose to. Its the same almost everywhere for clubs our size. The club should be managed accordingly. I realise a better support would be great for all but we all know attendances go up depending on the opposition and occasion. Football is expensive and a luxury for most. People of Wiltshire as a scapegoat for this situation is comical.[/p][/quote]No it is not,if 30000 can find the the time to attend wembley then surely a large proportion could afford/be bothered to attend the CG, yes times are hard and some really cant afford the luxury of football but if we get drawn against a big club tomorrow, a large crowd and probably a packed CG would be guaranteed.If us Town fans want highly quality football then they have to except they have a duty to attend whenever possible.[/p][/quote]You seem to forget the not all of the 30,000 that went to Wembley are from Wiltshire. Wow, I love reading these comments, it just shows that some of our fans are complete idiots. Yes, not everyone went because they are Town fans, some wanted the opportunity to say they have been to Wembley, maybe taking their children there as well, fulfilling a dream? Have you ever thought about that? At the end of the day it is everyone's personal choice if they attend matches, are you going to go knock on 30,000 peoples houses and tell them to get down to the CG? I didn't think so.[/p][/quote]Legend, very well put, I know from fact many supporters took wives, girl friends, children, friends for the day out and are hardly likely to turn out for the whole season. It would great to see a return of the old days of the fifties and sixties with average attendances of 15k+, but then we were an industrial town and the majority of fans were made of Railways workers, Vickers, Plessey, Leyland Garrards personally I have no problem with that, other than if regular attendees could not get tickets because of post code regulations etc. it would have been totally wrong, but in less I'm mistaken that was not the case, there were enough for everyone, but not exactly the best distribrution methology and I do believe our own ticket office should have had the option to sell tickets as it was back in 1969 with ticket stubs from a couple of league games beforehand.[/p][/quote]What was very well put calling people an idiot? stating the bl00dy obvious? the statement "are you going to knock on 30,000 doors and tell them to get down the CG" pathetic thing to say,no sorry OTR i normally respect your posts even if occasionally my opinion may be different but apart from stating the bl00dy obvious like lots of Kids,Wives Friends etc went to Wembley i fail to see what was very well put. Steve. Brentford
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6:09pm Tue 5 Feb 13

leader1111 says...

Extremely distressed at Ritchie going. He is a Championship level player and if you are going there you don't sell, otherwise you're promoted and then relegated. Why was this done at the last minute as they knew long beforehand what they had financially. We start to achieve success and then the rug is always pulled out.
Extremely distressed at Ritchie going. He is a Championship level player and if you are going there you don't sell, otherwise you're promoted and then relegated. Why was this done at the last minute as they knew long beforehand what they had financially. We start to achieve success and then the rug is always pulled out. leader1111
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