Town blocked in moves for three transfer targets

The Wiltshire Gazette and Herald: Danny Green Danny Green

SWINDON Town were unable to complete loan moves for three transfer targets last night, as the Football League was unwilling to ratify the deals.

Terms had been agreed with Cheltenham midfielder Marlon Pack and Charlton pair Bradley Wright-Phillips and Danny Green, after all three had visited the County Ground during Thursday to discuss their potential switches to Wiltshire.

Pack’s deal was mooted as being a loan move leading to a permanent switch in the summer, with Luke Rooney joining Cheltenham until the end of the season as part of the agreement, while Wright-Phillips and Green were poised to stay for the rest of the campaign.

Pack is a technically gifted central midfielder who was part of the Robins side which reached the League Two play-off final last season. A graduate of the Portsmouth youth academy, the 21-year-old was named in the division’s team of the season last season. Town manager Paolo Di Canio is believed to have been interested in signing Pack last summer.

Winger Green has been with Charlton for 18 months after arriving from Dagenham. He has previously been with Nottingham Forest and Bishops Stortford.

Wright-Phillips started his career with Manchester City before making the switch to Southampton in 2006. He played over 100 times for the Saints, scoring 22 goals, before moving to Plymouth after three seasons.

He joined the Addicks in 2011 and notched 31 times in 72 outings, helping the London club into the Championship in the process.

At least two of the transfers were negotiated several hours before the 11pm deadline passed and the January window closed but, as the Adver went to print last night, there remained a real threat that each of the deals could be called off.

A statement issued at 12.11am this morning by Swindon read: “Swindon Town will not be adding to the squad despite agreeing terms, completing medicals and signing three players.

“The Football League have at this stage refused any new registrations and the deals cannot be completed.

Meanwhile, Chris Martin’s long stay from Norwich was not extended. The striker is eligible to feature for the Robins in the weekend trip to Crawley in League One but is expected to return to his parent club when his loan expires on Saturday evening.

It is believed that an attempt to bring Sheffield Wednesday striker Gary Madine to Swindon fell through after the Owls were unable to draft in a replacement for Chris O’Grady, who joined Barnsley yesterday.

The emergency loan window opens on February 8, by which time the sale of Town should have received the appropriate approval, and the Robins should then be allowed to dip their fingers back in the transfer market.

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6:09am Fri 1 Feb 13

Not so Smart Roger says...

Gutted by this news, but delighted by the way the day panned out. No players sold after Ritchie, PDC calm and positive and three quality players lined up to come in. Game back on again!!!
Gutted by this news, but delighted by the way the day panned out. No players sold after Ritchie, PDC calm and positive and three quality players lined up to come in. Game back on again!!! Not so Smart Roger

6:10am Fri 1 Feb 13

Not so Smart Roger says...

Subject to Football League approval, of course!
Subject to Football League approval, of course! Not so Smart Roger

6:18am Fri 1 Feb 13

grove red says...

Not so Smart Roger wrote:
Subject to Football League approval, of course!
So how come portsmouth can sign players on loan then?? how long will the FL take to do the fit and proper tests?? Great news no one else has departed CG. Got to be a 3-0 win saturday..
[quote][p][bold]Not so Smart Roger[/bold] wrote: Subject to Football League approval, of course![/p][/quote]So how come portsmouth can sign players on loan then?? how long will the FL take to do the fit and proper tests?? Great news no one else has departed CG. Got to be a 3-0 win saturday.. grove red

6:19am Fri 1 Feb 13

super reds says...

The question that needs to be asked is why have the football league refused to ratify the deals, something is not right here & I am worried that there is more to this than meets the eye, hope I am completely barking up the wrong tree though
The question that needs to be asked is why have the football league refused to ratify the deals, something is not right here & I am worried that there is more to this than meets the eye, hope I am completely barking up the wrong tree though super reds

6:37am Fri 1 Feb 13

smirg kcab says...

super reds wrote:
The question that needs to be asked is why have the football league refused to ratify the deals, something is not right here & I am worried that there is more to this than meets the eye, hope I am completely barking up the wrong tree though
Down shep
Onwards and upwards
[quote][p][bold]super reds[/bold] wrote: The question that needs to be asked is why have the football league refused to ratify the deals, something is not right here & I am worried that there is more to this than meets the eye, hope I am completely barking up the wrong tree though[/p][/quote]Down shep Onwards and upwards smirg kcab

6:46am Fri 1 Feb 13

Brainy_G93 says...

What constitutes an emergency loan?
What constitutes an emergency loan? Brainy_G93

6:47am Fri 1 Feb 13

louiscassius says...

Those f8ckers sorry for swearing at the FL hate us....always have...

We'll get those players next week.

They just wanted us to wait for them to say......

Ok, ......go on then!!

Gits!

Then we'll smash League 1....

Louis :-))) COYRsssss
Those f8ckers sorry for swearing at the FL hate us....always have... We'll get those players next week. They just wanted us to wait for them to say...... Ok, ......go on then!! Gits! Then we'll smash League 1.... Louis :-))) COYRsssss louiscassius

6:52am Fri 1 Feb 13

SAPFanSTFC says...

It is a bit ruff that they've done this but nothing surprises me with the football league - we're allowed to sell but not to bring in loans despite it all falling within the financial constraints....almos
t as though they've put us into a transfer embargo without due cause as even if the sale fell through then the £400,000 from Ritchie covers the loans.
---
You watch - they'll make us start with 10 men and no subs on Saturday!!
---
No doubt it will all be cleared to go in a week's time and maybe they can all start training with us in the meantime.
---
Excellent signings on paper...let's hope they all produce on the pitch!
It is a bit ruff that they've done this but nothing surprises me with the football league - we're allowed to sell but not to bring in loans despite it all falling within the financial constraints....almos t as though they've put us into a transfer embargo without due cause as even if the sale fell through then the £400,000 from Ritchie covers the loans. --- You watch - they'll make us start with 10 men and no subs on Saturday!! --- No doubt it will all be cleared to go in a week's time and maybe they can all start training with us in the meantime. --- Excellent signings on paper...let's hope they all produce on the pitch! SAPFanSTFC

6:56am Fri 1 Feb 13

louiscassius says...

SAPFanSTFC wrote:
It is a bit ruff that they've done this but nothing surprises me with the football league - we're allowed to sell but not to bring in loans despite it all falling within the financial constraints....almos

t as though they've put us into a transfer embargo without due cause as even if the sale fell through then the £400,000 from Ritchie covers the loans.
---
You watch - they'll make us start with 10 men and no subs on Saturday!!
---
No doubt it will all be cleared to go in a week's time and maybe they can all start training with us in the meantime.
---
Excellent signings on paper...let's hope they all produce on the pitch!
Morning Mate,

Well, lets hope they train with us before they officially get unvailled next next....

Be good for them to meet the lads and start bonding to the team straight away....

Louis :-))
[quote][p][bold]SAPFanSTFC[/bold] wrote: It is a bit ruff that they've done this but nothing surprises me with the football league - we're allowed to sell but not to bring in loans despite it all falling within the financial constraints....almos t as though they've put us into a transfer embargo without due cause as even if the sale fell through then the £400,000 from Ritchie covers the loans. --- You watch - they'll make us start with 10 men and no subs on Saturday!! --- No doubt it will all be cleared to go in a week's time and maybe they can all start training with us in the meantime. --- Excellent signings on paper...let's hope they all produce on the pitch![/p][/quote]Morning Mate, Well, lets hope they train with us before they officially get unvailled next next.... Be good for them to meet the lads and start bonding to the team straight away.... Louis :-)) louiscassius

6:59am Fri 1 Feb 13

The Jockster says...

I'm more worried that Jed Clampett and his hillbilly consortium are just that - Mickey Mouse and haven't got a pot to urinate in & the FL wouldn't let them take over Luton. As regards to finances it's déjà vu for me ala Wills & co. until Jed's country bumpkins demonstrate otherwise. The positives to take from this are that Paolo is still here and we've only lost Ritchie from the playing squad who whilst at times was mercurial isn't irreplaceable.
I'm more worried that Jed Clampett and his hillbilly consortium are just that - Mickey Mouse and haven't got a pot to urinate in & the FL wouldn't let them take over Luton. As regards to finances it's déjà vu for me ala Wills & co. until Jed's country bumpkins demonstrate otherwise. The positives to take from this are that Paolo is still here and we've only lost Ritchie from the playing squad who whilst at times was mercurial isn't irreplaceable. The Jockster

7:03am Fri 1 Feb 13

jayden says...

This is not the first time the FL have done this to us either ST are not telling us the truth or the football league have a special way of dealing with ST.
This is not the first time the FL have done this to us either ST are not telling us the truth or the football league have a special way of dealing with ST. jayden

7:07am Fri 1 Feb 13

U REDS says...

So are they defiantly going to play for us. I am a little confused.
So are they defiantly going to play for us. I am a little confused. U REDS

7:10am Fri 1 Feb 13

stfc2012 says...

The Jockster wrote:
I'm more worried that Jed Clampett and his hillbilly consortium are just that - Mickey Mouse and haven't got a pot to urinate in & the FL wouldn't let them take over Luton. As regards to finances it's déjà vu for me ala Wills & co. until Jed's country bumpkins demonstrate otherwise. The positives to take from this are that Paolo is still here and we've only lost Ritchie from the playing squad who whilst at times was mercurial isn't irreplaceable.
Nothing like giving someone a chance is there. Lots of knee jerk reaction like this. I am sure the reasons behind the deals not going through will become clear soon enough and it will probably not be because the FL hates us. Town fans love to play the victim. We cant have a game postponed due to weather without a Roswell sized conspiracy against us. The consortium must be given a chance to prove themselves regardless. If they fail then start slagging them off then not before. Who's today's scapegoat? Patey? Black? Wilson? Hart? Football League? These things just happen in football so get over it and move forward. Living in the past will not help.
[quote][p][bold]The Jockster[/bold] wrote: I'm more worried that Jed Clampett and his hillbilly consortium are just that - Mickey Mouse and haven't got a pot to urinate in & the FL wouldn't let them take over Luton. As regards to finances it's déjà vu for me ala Wills & co. until Jed's country bumpkins demonstrate otherwise. The positives to take from this are that Paolo is still here and we've only lost Ritchie from the playing squad who whilst at times was mercurial isn't irreplaceable.[/p][/quote]Nothing like giving someone a chance is there. Lots of knee jerk reaction like this. I am sure the reasons behind the deals not going through will become clear soon enough and it will probably not be because the FL hates us. Town fans love to play the victim. We cant have a game postponed due to weather without a Roswell sized conspiracy against us. The consortium must be given a chance to prove themselves regardless. If they fail then start slagging them off then not before. Who's today's scapegoat? Patey? Black? Wilson? Hart? Football League? These things just happen in football so get over it and move forward. Living in the past will not help. stfc2012

7:20am Fri 1 Feb 13

KojaktheWarg says...

hard to swallow, hard to fathom...

In the meantime, Get behind the manager and team for the next game..

Leawards and Windwards...
hard to swallow, hard to fathom... In the meantime, Get behind the manager and team for the next game.. Leawards and Windwards... KojaktheWarg

7:23am Fri 1 Feb 13

umpcah says...

U REDS wrote:
So are they defiantly going to play for us. I am a little confused.
A little confused ? I think we all are ! I don't remember things being so messy at STFC.
[quote][p][bold]U REDS[/bold] wrote: So are they defiantly going to play for us. I am a little confused.[/p][/quote]A little confused ? I think we all are ! I don't remember things being so messy at STFC. umpcah

7:23am Fri 1 Feb 13

jayden says...

The Jockster wrote:
I'm more worried that Jed Clampett and his hillbilly consortium are just that - Mickey Mouse and haven't got a pot to urinate in & the FL wouldn't let them take over Luton. As regards to finances it's déjà vu for me ala Wills & co. until Jed's country bumpkins demonstrate otherwise. The positives to take from this are that Paolo is still here and we've only lost Ritchie from the playing squad who whilst at times was mercurial isn't irreplaceable.
Morning Jock i agree with you on this i have a bad feeling about this.PDC has shown great calmness in all this not what i was expecting at all.If i were him i would have walked away yesterday but he seemed happy that all the staff would get paid this month and that they all still had jobs.
[quote][p][bold]The Jockster[/bold] wrote: I'm more worried that Jed Clampett and his hillbilly consortium are just that - Mickey Mouse and haven't got a pot to urinate in & the FL wouldn't let them take over Luton. As regards to finances it's déjà vu for me ala Wills & co. until Jed's country bumpkins demonstrate otherwise. The positives to take from this are that Paolo is still here and we've only lost Ritchie from the playing squad who whilst at times was mercurial isn't irreplaceable.[/p][/quote]Morning Jock i agree with you on this i have a bad feeling about this.PDC has shown great calmness in all this not what i was expecting at all.If i were him i would have walked away yesterday but he seemed happy that all the staff would get paid this month and that they all still had jobs. jayden

7:24am Fri 1 Feb 13

batman returns says...

stfc2012 wrote:
The Jockster wrote: I'm more worried that Jed Clampett and his hillbilly consortium are just that - Mickey Mouse and haven't got a pot to urinate in & the FL wouldn't let them take over Luton. As regards to finances it's déjà vu for me ala Wills & co. until Jed's country bumpkins demonstrate otherwise. The positives to take from this are that Paolo is still here and we've only lost Ritchie from the playing squad who whilst at times was mercurial isn't irreplaceable.
Nothing like giving someone a chance is there. Lots of knee jerk reaction like this. I am sure the reasons behind the deals not going through will become clear soon enough and it will probably not be because the FL hates us. Town fans love to play the victim. We cant have a game postponed due to weather without a Roswell sized conspiracy against us. The consortium must be given a chance to prove themselves regardless. If they fail then start slagging them off then not before. Who's today's scapegoat? Patey? Black? Wilson? Hart? Football League? These things just happen in football so get over it and move forward. Living in the past will not help.
Well said. It’s probably just because things are going through due diligence with the League checking out the new ownership. Let us now all relegate the Guv’ comments to the position that they deserve ie that is down the loo and get behind the club and team.

Let’s not forget that the loan window opens in a week and all of these were loans and everything’s done as far as contracts, medicals etc, so hopefully if no-one changes their minds it’s a simple thing for the players to join us. Good idea if they come and train with us on that basis if the clubs will allow it.
[quote][p][bold]stfc2012[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The Jockster[/bold] wrote: I'm more worried that Jed Clampett and his hillbilly consortium are just that - Mickey Mouse and haven't got a pot to urinate in & the FL wouldn't let them take over Luton. As regards to finances it's déjà vu for me ala Wills & co. until Jed's country bumpkins demonstrate otherwise. The positives to take from this are that Paolo is still here and we've only lost Ritchie from the playing squad who whilst at times was mercurial isn't irreplaceable.[/p][/quote]Nothing like giving someone a chance is there. Lots of knee jerk reaction like this. I am sure the reasons behind the deals not going through will become clear soon enough and it will probably not be because the FL hates us. Town fans love to play the victim. We cant have a game postponed due to weather without a Roswell sized conspiracy against us. The consortium must be given a chance to prove themselves regardless. If they fail then start slagging them off then not before. Who's today's scapegoat? Patey? Black? Wilson? Hart? Football League? These things just happen in football so get over it and move forward. Living in the past will not help.[/p][/quote]Well said. It’s probably just because things are going through due diligence with the League checking out the new ownership. Let us now all relegate the Guv’ comments to the position that they deserve ie that is down the loo and get behind the club and team. Let’s not forget that the loan window opens in a week and all of these were loans and everything’s done as far as contracts, medicals etc, so hopefully if no-one changes their minds it’s a simple thing for the players to join us. Good idea if they come and train with us on that basis if the clubs will allow it. batman returns

7:25am Fri 1 Feb 13

Brainy_G93 says...

Still confused....why do we think we'll get these 3 players in a weeks time? Same question as earlier, what constitutes an emergency loan?
Still confused....why do we think we'll get these 3 players in a weeks time? Same question as earlier, what constitutes an emergency loan? Brainy_G93

7:27am Fri 1 Feb 13

mustard red says...

With another battle against the Football League looming, I hope we have a Jedi instead of a Jed Clampett.

I'll get my coat.
With another battle against the Football League looming, I hope we have a Jedi instead of a Jed Clampett. I'll get my coat. mustard red

7:31am Fri 1 Feb 13

SAPFanSTFC says...

louiscassius wrote:
SAPFanSTFC wrote:
It is a bit ruff that they've done this but nothing surprises me with the football league - we're allowed to sell but not to bring in loans despite it all falling within the financial constraints....almos


t as though they've put us into a transfer embargo without due cause as even if the sale fell through then the £400,000 from Ritchie covers the loans.
---
You watch - they'll make us start with 10 men and no subs on Saturday!!
---
No doubt it will all be cleared to go in a week's time and maybe they can all start training with us in the meantime.
---
Excellent signings on paper...let's hope they all produce on the pitch!
Morning Mate,

Well, lets hope they train with us before they officially get unvailled next next....

Be good for them to meet the lads and start bonding to the team straight away....

Louis :-))
Morning Louis - and well chuffed fo ryou both, great news!!
----
Yep once the sale is rubber-stamped we should be looking at them joining us when the emergency transfer window opens next Friday (why do they insist on still calling it 'emergency'?...nothi
ng of the sort these days)
....although being honest, as all was done and dusted before the deadline you'd think that the deals should be cleared the moment it is rubber stamped as they were fully valid and complete by the deadline.
----
I don't subscribe to all this pessimism and doom and gloom - and am enjoying still having a football club! (IF anything goes wrong from here then I'll deal with it then and I'm not going to ruin all the time in between...happy days!!).
[quote][p][bold]louiscassius[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SAPFanSTFC[/bold] wrote: It is a bit ruff that they've done this but nothing surprises me with the football league - we're allowed to sell but not to bring in loans despite it all falling within the financial constraints....almos t as though they've put us into a transfer embargo without due cause as even if the sale fell through then the £400,000 from Ritchie covers the loans. --- You watch - they'll make us start with 10 men and no subs on Saturday!! --- No doubt it will all be cleared to go in a week's time and maybe they can all start training with us in the meantime. --- Excellent signings on paper...let's hope they all produce on the pitch![/p][/quote]Morning Mate, Well, lets hope they train with us before they officially get unvailled next next.... Be good for them to meet the lads and start bonding to the team straight away.... Louis :-))[/p][/quote]Morning Louis - and well chuffed fo ryou both, great news!! ---- Yep once the sale is rubber-stamped we should be looking at them joining us when the emergency transfer window opens next Friday (why do they insist on still calling it 'emergency'?...nothi ng of the sort these days) ....although being honest, as all was done and dusted before the deadline you'd think that the deals should be cleared the moment it is rubber stamped as they were fully valid and complete by the deadline. ---- I don't subscribe to all this pessimism and doom and gloom - and am enjoying still having a football club! (IF anything goes wrong from here then I'll deal with it then and I'm not going to ruin all the time in between...happy days!!). SAPFanSTFC

7:33am Fri 1 Feb 13

ciclosporindorset says...

stfc2012 wrote:
The Jockster wrote:
I'm more worried that Jed Clampett and his hillbilly consortium are just that - Mickey Mouse and haven't got a pot to urinate in & the FL wouldn't let them take over Luton. As regards to finances it's déjà vu for me ala Wills & co. until Jed's country bumpkins demonstrate otherwise. The positives to take from this are that Paolo is still here and we've only lost Ritchie from the playing squad who whilst at times was mercurial isn't irreplaceable.
Nothing like giving someone a chance is there. Lots of knee jerk reaction like this. I am sure the reasons behind the deals not going through will become clear soon enough and it will probably not be because the FL hates us. Town fans love to play the victim. We cant have a game postponed due to weather without a Roswell sized conspiracy against us. The consortium must be given a chance to prove themselves regardless. If they fail then start slagging them off then not before. Who's today's scapegoat? Patey? Black? Wilson? Hart? Football League? These things just happen in football so get over it and move forward. Living in the past will not help.
This site takes on a life of its own with rumour leading to counter rumour and anxiety steadily growing through the day until there are some complete wrecks on here, not because of the initial article but the subjection it leads to. Lets hope we have a calmer day today and not allow insecurities create a self fulfilling prophecy.
[quote][p][bold]stfc2012[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The Jockster[/bold] wrote: I'm more worried that Jed Clampett and his hillbilly consortium are just that - Mickey Mouse and haven't got a pot to urinate in & the FL wouldn't let them take over Luton. As regards to finances it's déjà vu for me ala Wills & co. until Jed's country bumpkins demonstrate otherwise. The positives to take from this are that Paolo is still here and we've only lost Ritchie from the playing squad who whilst at times was mercurial isn't irreplaceable.[/p][/quote]Nothing like giving someone a chance is there. Lots of knee jerk reaction like this. I am sure the reasons behind the deals not going through will become clear soon enough and it will probably not be because the FL hates us. Town fans love to play the victim. We cant have a game postponed due to weather without a Roswell sized conspiracy against us. The consortium must be given a chance to prove themselves regardless. If they fail then start slagging them off then not before. Who's today's scapegoat? Patey? Black? Wilson? Hart? Football League? These things just happen in football so get over it and move forward. Living in the past will not help.[/p][/quote]This site takes on a life of its own with rumour leading to counter rumour and anxiety steadily growing through the day until there are some complete wrecks on here, not because of the initial article but the subjection it leads to. Lets hope we have a calmer day today and not allow insecurities create a self fulfilling prophecy. ciclosporindorset

7:34am Fri 1 Feb 13

SAPFanSTFC says...

Brainy_G93 wrote:
Still confused....why do we think we'll get these 3 players in a weeks time? Same question as earlier, what constitutes an emergency loan?
No such thing - just a loan window now.
...
If they won't ratify the loans until the take-over is rubber-stamped then all will go through when the next loan window opens on the 8th (next Friday).
....
Being honest they should be allowed to go through as soon as the take-over is rubber-stamped as the deals were all completed in time.
[quote][p][bold]Brainy_G93[/bold] wrote: Still confused....why do we think we'll get these 3 players in a weeks time? Same question as earlier, what constitutes an emergency loan?[/p][/quote]No such thing - just a loan window now. ... If they won't ratify the loans until the take-over is rubber-stamped then all will go through when the next loan window opens on the 8th (next Friday). .... Being honest they should be allowed to go through as soon as the take-over is rubber-stamped as the deals were all completed in time. SAPFanSTFC

7:35am Fri 1 Feb 13

London Red says...

Why is the emergency definition asked every single window?
.
This system has been in place for what a decade now!
.
It was just a name given to loans outside the usual transfer window - that's all
.
The only difference is they are for a max 91 says rather than 6 months or a year long which can be agreed during the windows
.
The "emergencies" can be extend ahead of the final transfer deadline date which is the se as the old fashion one - last week of March
Why is the emergency definition asked every single window? . This system has been in place for what a decade now! . It was just a name given to loans outside the usual transfer window - that's all . The only difference is they are for a max 91 says rather than 6 months or a year long which can be agreed during the windows . The "emergencies" can be extend ahead of the final transfer deadline date which is the se as the old fashion one - last week of March London Red

7:35am Fri 1 Feb 13

Helpme234 says...

Brainy_G93 wrote:
What constitutes an emergency loan?
Perhaps £500k to a certain club owner
[quote][p][bold]Brainy_G93[/bold] wrote: What constitutes an emergency loan?[/p][/quote]Perhaps £500k to a certain club owner Helpme234

7:36am Fri 1 Feb 13

Chish and Fips says...

Here's hoping all will become clear when the dust has settled and the ink has dried.

My puzzlement is with Andrew Black - why did he force the issue at this crucial time - why not earlier or later. For someone who said he didn't want STFC to go into admin his actions said differently.

I can liken this situation to buying a house and having planning permission for extension approved by the council all at the same.

Fingers crossed on the loans one.
Here's hoping all will become clear when the dust has settled and the ink has dried. My puzzlement is with Andrew Black - why did he force the issue at this crucial time - why not earlier or later. For someone who said he didn't want STFC to go into admin his actions said differently. I can liken this situation to buying a house and having planning permission for extension approved by the council all at the same. Fingers crossed on the loans one. Chish and Fips

7:37am Fri 1 Feb 13

Haydonender says...

Brainy_G93 wrote:
Still confused....why do we think we'll get these 3 players in a weeks time? Same question as earlier, what constitutes an emergency loan?
Takeover should hopefully have been approved by the football league next week when the emergency loan window opens, then we'd be free to sign players.

Emergency loan is meant to be for emergencies but is basically the same as a normal loan. Think both Martin and Hollands came in on emergency loans.

Only problem I foresee with getting them in that way is that I thought emergency loans are a max of 3 months in length. If we end up in playoffs they would presumably be in mid may and then we could lose the 3 players for those games?
[quote][p][bold]Brainy_G93[/bold] wrote: Still confused....why do we think we'll get these 3 players in a weeks time? Same question as earlier, what constitutes an emergency loan?[/p][/quote]Takeover should hopefully have been approved by the football league next week when the emergency loan window opens, then we'd be free to sign players. Emergency loan is meant to be for emergencies but is basically the same as a normal loan. Think both Martin and Hollands came in on emergency loans. Only problem I foresee with getting them in that way is that I thought emergency loans are a max of 3 months in length. If we end up in playoffs they would presumably be in mid may and then we could lose the 3 players for those games? Haydonender

7:38am Fri 1 Feb 13

nosyrudeman says...

Come on, both outgoing and incoming boards need to make a statement to let us poor fans know what is going on. Well at least we lost no more of squad, but I bet you that there is a lot of itchy feet in the dressing room. Especially those whose contracts are running down.

I just hope Jed and his cronies do have the financial clout to take us forward.
I would like to believe that the outgoing board have not sold us down the river. Portsmouth have had their trial delayed for a third time and I believe they were allowed to sign players, so why were we not allowed. Hurry up and make the statements and intentions. COYRedsssssssss.
Come on, both outgoing and incoming boards need to make a statement to let us poor fans know what is going on. Well at least we lost no more of squad, but I bet you that there is a lot of itchy feet in the dressing room. Especially those whose contracts are running down. I just hope Jed and his cronies do have the financial clout to take us forward. I would like to believe that the outgoing board have not sold us down the river. Portsmouth have had their trial delayed for a third time and I believe they were allowed to sign players, so why were we not allowed. Hurry up and make the statements and intentions. COYRedsssssssss. nosyrudeman

7:38am Fri 1 Feb 13

SAPFanSTFC says...

ciclosporindorset wrote:
stfc2012 wrote:
The Jockster wrote:
I'm more worried that Jed Clampett and his hillbilly consortium are just that - Mickey Mouse and haven't got a pot to urinate in & the FL wouldn't let them take over Luton. As regards to finances it's déjà vu for me ala Wills & co. until Jed's country bumpkins demonstrate otherwise. The positives to take from this are that Paolo is still here and we've only lost Ritchie from the playing squad who whilst at times was mercurial isn't irreplaceable.
Nothing like giving someone a chance is there. Lots of knee jerk reaction like this. I am sure the reasons behind the deals not going through will become clear soon enough and it will probably not be because the FL hates us. Town fans love to play the victim. We cant have a game postponed due to weather without a Roswell sized conspiracy against us. The consortium must be given a chance to prove themselves regardless. If they fail then start slagging them off then not before. Who's today's scapegoat? Patey? Black? Wilson? Hart? Football League? These things just happen in football so get over it and move forward. Living in the past will not help.
This site takes on a life of its own with rumour leading to counter rumour and anxiety steadily growing through the day until there are some complete wrecks on here, not because of the initial article but the subjection it leads to. Lets hope we have a calmer day today and not allow insecurities create a self fulfilling prophecy.
All together now.....eyes closed and deep breaths...and that's just to ignore the panicky drivvel on here :-)
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OMMMmmmmmmm
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OMMMmmmmmmmmmm!!
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Bit of meditation helps...or so I'm told
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As you say Ciclo....when putting the articles into balance there's now't to worry about as yet.
[quote][p][bold]ciclosporindorset[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]stfc2012[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The Jockster[/bold] wrote: I'm more worried that Jed Clampett and his hillbilly consortium are just that - Mickey Mouse and haven't got a pot to urinate in & the FL wouldn't let them take over Luton. As regards to finances it's déjà vu for me ala Wills & co. until Jed's country bumpkins demonstrate otherwise. The positives to take from this are that Paolo is still here and we've only lost Ritchie from the playing squad who whilst at times was mercurial isn't irreplaceable.[/p][/quote]Nothing like giving someone a chance is there. Lots of knee jerk reaction like this. I am sure the reasons behind the deals not going through will become clear soon enough and it will probably not be because the FL hates us. Town fans love to play the victim. We cant have a game postponed due to weather without a Roswell sized conspiracy against us. The consortium must be given a chance to prove themselves regardless. If they fail then start slagging them off then not before. Who's today's scapegoat? Patey? Black? Wilson? Hart? Football League? These things just happen in football so get over it and move forward. Living in the past will not help.[/p][/quote]This site takes on a life of its own with rumour leading to counter rumour and anxiety steadily growing through the day until there are some complete wrecks on here, not because of the initial article but the subjection it leads to. Lets hope we have a calmer day today and not allow insecurities create a self fulfilling prophecy.[/p][/quote]All together now.....eyes closed and deep breaths...and that's just to ignore the panicky drivvel on here :-) ... OMMMmmmmmmm ... OMMMmmmmmmmmmm!! ... Bit of meditation helps...or so I'm told --- As you say Ciclo....when putting the articles into balance there's now't to worry about as yet. SAPFanSTFC

7:39am Fri 1 Feb 13

Brainy_G93 says...

London Red wrote:
Why is the emergency definition asked every single window?
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This system has been in place for what a decade now!
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It was just a name given to loans outside the usual transfer window - that's all
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The only difference is they are for a max 91 says rather than 6 months or a year long which can be agreed during the windows
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The "emergencies" can be extend ahead of the final transfer deadline date which is the se as the old fashion one - last week of March
Sorry to be confused about the emergency definition. Just don't remember being in this position before.
[quote][p][bold]London Red[/bold] wrote: Why is the emergency definition asked every single window? . This system has been in place for what a decade now! . It was just a name given to loans outside the usual transfer window - that's all . The only difference is they are for a max 91 says rather than 6 months or a year long which can be agreed during the windows . The "emergencies" can be extend ahead of the final transfer deadline date which is the se as the old fashion one - last week of March[/p][/quote]Sorry to be confused about the emergency definition. Just don't remember being in this position before. Brainy_G93

7:40am Fri 1 Feb 13

peatmoor pirate says...

I'm no lover of he FL but in ths instance, there hands are probably tied. Swindon's takeover is still udnrgoing checks and just because we left it to the last minute, doesn't mean they should overwrte their own rules. If they did this for another club, we'd moan about favouritsism. It's not the end of the world andI'm sure everything will work out in a week or so when the loan window opens and our new owners are ratified. Like other posters on here, I'm just glad we didn't sell anyone else yesterday.
I'm no lover of he FL but in ths instance, there hands are probably tied. Swindon's takeover is still udnrgoing checks and just because we left it to the last minute, doesn't mean they should overwrte their own rules. If they did this for another club, we'd moan about favouritsism. It's not the end of the world andI'm sure everything will work out in a week or so when the loan window opens and our new owners are ratified. Like other posters on here, I'm just glad we didn't sell anyone else yesterday. peatmoor pirate

7:46am Fri 1 Feb 13

umpcah says...

Am I right in believing that Jed will be chairman at Banbury and Swindon for an indefinite period ?
Am I right in believing that Jed will be chairman at Banbury and Swindon for an indefinite period ? umpcah

7:46am Fri 1 Feb 13

SAPFanSTFC says...

peatmoor pirate wrote:
I'm no lover of he FL but in ths instance, there hands are probably tied. Swindon's takeover is still udnrgoing checks and just because we left it to the last minute, doesn't mean they should overwrte their own rules. If they did this for another club, we'd moan about favouritsism. It's not the end of the world andI'm sure everything will work out in a week or so when the loan window opens and our new owners are ratified. Like other posters on here, I'm just glad we didn't sell anyone else yesterday.
...but if they DO rubber stamp the take-over would you expect the 'blocked loans' to go through on the original terms?
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If the club were aware that they would not get approved then I'd agree that we should be tied by the terms of the 'Emergency' loan (i.e. shorter time period)....
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....but if there was no such knowledge then surely the terms of the loan as per the normal transfer window should apply once the take-over is approved...
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.....shouldn't they?
[quote][p][bold]peatmoor pirate[/bold] wrote: I'm no lover of he FL but in ths instance, there hands are probably tied. Swindon's takeover is still udnrgoing checks and just because we left it to the last minute, doesn't mean they should overwrte their own rules. If they did this for another club, we'd moan about favouritsism. It's not the end of the world andI'm sure everything will work out in a week or so when the loan window opens and our new owners are ratified. Like other posters on here, I'm just glad we didn't sell anyone else yesterday.[/p][/quote]...but if they DO rubber stamp the take-over would you expect the 'blocked loans' to go through on the original terms? .... If the club were aware that they would not get approved then I'd agree that we should be tied by the terms of the 'Emergency' loan (i.e. shorter time period).... . ....but if there was no such knowledge then surely the terms of the loan as per the normal transfer window should apply once the take-over is approved... . .....shouldn't they? SAPFanSTFC

7:53am Fri 1 Feb 13

Med Red says...

Hopefully the club will be asking for clarification from the FL regards the loan players. I would hope for a simple statement from the FL today, saying the loans can go ahead once the takeover by JMac and co. has been approved. Anyone know how long the approval process normally takes?

Also, has Rooney still gone to Cheltenham, any news on that?
Hopefully the club will be asking for clarification from the FL regards the loan players. I would hope for a simple statement from the FL today, saying the loans can go ahead once the takeover by JMac and co. has been approved. Anyone know how long the approval process normally takes? Also, has Rooney still gone to Cheltenham, any news on that? Med Red

7:53am Fri 1 Feb 13

SAPFanSTFC says...

smirg kcab wrote:
super reds wrote:
The question that needs to be asked is why have the football league refused to ratify the deals, something is not right here & I am worried that there is more to this than meets the eye, hope I am completely barking up the wrong tree though
Down shep
Onwards and upwards
Sorry should have said:
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It is all a bit wuff this FL stuff but unlike others there Poodle-ing about doesn't give me the Collie-wobbles just yet.
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Lets keep the Bull-Dog spirit going as the Wolf has been kept from the door and Grrrr-eat that we're no longer being Hound-ed.
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I know - Don't give up the day job!! :-)
[quote][p][bold]smirg kcab[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]super reds[/bold] wrote: The question that needs to be asked is why have the football league refused to ratify the deals, something is not right here & I am worried that there is more to this than meets the eye, hope I am completely barking up the wrong tree though[/p][/quote]Down shep Onwards and upwards[/p][/quote]Sorry should have said: . It is all a bit wuff this FL stuff but unlike others there Poodle-ing about doesn't give me the Collie-wobbles just yet. . Lets keep the Bull-Dog spirit going as the Wolf has been kept from the door and Grrrr-eat that we're no longer being Hound-ed. . I know - Don't give up the day job!! :-) SAPFanSTFC

7:58am Fri 1 Feb 13

clunge_meister says...

It may well be that everything will be rosey in s few weeks but good got what a mess.

We do need some communication from the new owners they've not said anything yet and its not helping.

It's not surprising that many of us are jumping to conclusions when you know he was involved with a failed bid at Luton a few years ago.
It may well be that everything will be rosey in s few weeks but good got what a mess. We do need some communication from the new owners they've not said anything yet and its not helping. It's not surprising that many of us are jumping to conclusions when you know he was involved with a failed bid at Luton a few years ago. clunge_meister

8:11am Fri 1 Feb 13

London Red says...

I guessing the new owners are not saying anything as they are not yet the owners - thus the sale of Ritchie and the blocked loans
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Would rather they stay silent until its done than a BEST Holdings style media oveoad whic turned out to be nothing
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JM is allowed to sit on the board of both clubs for the remainder of the season as we can not meet in any competition - but must severe ties wit Banbury in the summer
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He is due to speak to Banbury fans (tonight I believe - its on the take over page) so anyone local may want to pop along to see what he has to say
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Here's a thought how about the Adver also pop along to get some info???
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Like others what we really need to know is why AB pulled the plug now?
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I get he wanted out no issue with that - but why agree a loss only to back out halfway through the year
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All actions have gone against earlier comments so could the truth actually come out now?
I guessing the new owners are not saying anything as they are not yet the owners - thus the sale of Ritchie and the blocked loans . Would rather they stay silent until its done than a BEST Holdings style media oveoad whic turned out to be nothing . JM is allowed to sit on the board of both clubs for the remainder of the season as we can not meet in any competition - but must severe ties wit Banbury in the summer . He is due to speak to Banbury fans (tonight I believe - its on the take over page) so anyone local may want to pop along to see what he has to say . Here's a thought how about the Adver also pop along to get some info??? . Like others what we really need to know is why AB pulled the plug now? . I get he wanted out no issue with that - but why agree a loss only to back out halfway through the year . All actions have gone against earlier comments so could the truth actually come out now? London Red

8:14am Fri 1 Feb 13

hornet says...

I beleve this could be to do with that previous embago as Town are still over there limit on players wages etc only now we have no one topping the pot up
I beleve this could be to do with that previous embago as Town are still over there limit on players wages etc only now we have no one topping the pot up hornet

8:14am Fri 1 Feb 13

hornet says...

I beleve this could be to do with that previous embargo as Town are still over there limit on players wages etc only now we have no one topping the pot up
I beleve this could be to do with that previous embargo as Town are still over there limit on players wages etc only now we have no one topping the pot up hornet

8:15am Fri 1 Feb 13

Stickshaker says...

SAPFanSTFC wrote:
smirg kcab wrote:
super reds wrote: The question that needs to be asked is why have the football league refused to ratify the deals, something is not right here & I am worried that there is more to this than meets the eye, hope I am completely barking up the wrong tree though
Down shep Onwards and upwards
Sorry should have said: . It is all a bit wuff this FL stuff but unlike others there Poodle-ing about doesn't give me the Collie-wobbles just yet. . Lets keep the Bull-Dog spirit going as the Wolf has been kept from the door and Grrrr-eat that we're no longer being Hound-ed. . I know - Don't give up the day job!! :-)
Comments like this are getting rather dog-eared, however I do agree that the Football Lead's actions have certainly put a spaniel in the works. Anyway I would have preferred we had signed that great Norwegian winger ''Pedi Gree'' or the Brazillian ''Mon Grella''. However I'm sure Bradley Wright Phillips can Whippet in like his father used to.
[quote][p][bold]SAPFanSTFC[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]smirg kcab[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]super reds[/bold] wrote: The question that needs to be asked is why have the football league refused to ratify the deals, something is not right here & I am worried that there is more to this than meets the eye, hope I am completely barking up the wrong tree though[/p][/quote]Down shep Onwards and upwards[/p][/quote]Sorry should have said: . It is all a bit wuff this FL stuff but unlike others there Poodle-ing about doesn't give me the Collie-wobbles just yet. . Lets keep the Bull-Dog spirit going as the Wolf has been kept from the door and Grrrr-eat that we're no longer being Hound-ed. . I know - Don't give up the day job!! :-)[/p][/quote]Comments like this are getting rather dog-eared, however I do agree that the Football Lead's actions have certainly put a spaniel in the works. Anyway I would have preferred we had signed that great Norwegian winger ''Pedi Gree'' or the Brazillian ''Mon Grella''. However I'm sure Bradley Wright Phillips can Whippet in like his father used to. Stickshaker

8:17am Fri 1 Feb 13

SAPFanSTFC says...

Med Red wrote:
Hopefully the club will be asking for clarification from the FL regards the loan players. I would hope for a simple statement from the FL today, saying the loans can go ahead once the takeover by JMac and co. has been approved. Anyone know how long the approval process normally takes?

Also, has Rooney still gone to Cheltenham, any news on that?
Rooney was part of the exchange deal with Pack so am guessing he's still with us until it is all cleared.
[quote][p][bold]Med Red[/bold] wrote: Hopefully the club will be asking for clarification from the FL regards the loan players. I would hope for a simple statement from the FL today, saying the loans can go ahead once the takeover by JMac and co. has been approved. Anyone know how long the approval process normally takes? Also, has Rooney still gone to Cheltenham, any news on that?[/p][/quote]Rooney was part of the exchange deal with Pack so am guessing he's still with us until it is all cleared. SAPFanSTFC

8:17am Fri 1 Feb 13

ChippyBOB. says...

If these transfers are only being blocked because of FL approval of the take over, and all the correct criteria of the transfes themselves have been met then surely they should allow the players to play from the moment their checks have finished and they approve the take over. I know it has been a busy time for them because of the transfer deadline day activity, but it seems to me that this is down to somone their end not working had enough.
Just hope it won't cost us any points.
Paolo is a good enough manager to ensure the players we have do the job though.
Just glad that administration has been avoided and with the 100 point deduction.
If these transfers are only being blocked because of FL approval of the take over, and all the correct criteria of the transfes themselves have been met then surely they should allow the players to play from the moment their checks have finished and they approve the take over. I know it has been a busy time for them because of the transfer deadline day activity, but it seems to me that this is down to somone their end not working had enough. Just hope it won't cost us any points. Paolo is a good enough manager to ensure the players we have do the job though. Just glad that administration has been avoided and with the 100 point deduction. ChippyBOB.

8:18am Fri 1 Feb 13

Since 1950 says...

This new consortium haven't got off to a good start have they?

Not sure the relationship between them and Paolo will ever be a good one now in any event.

Why the hell did Black and McCrory keep PDC right out of the loop with the sale of Ritchie? Do they actually WANT him to walk away?

What have they really gained in monitary terms for the sale anyway? Reported to be between £4 and £500k with a large proportion up front, not all. Lets guess at between £3&£400k. There is the sell on to Pompey at around £40k. So Town could come out of that sale with around £300k cash in hand.

Give me a break. How can I believe that a consortium that say their aim is Championship football can't or wont put their hand on that sort of money to keep one of our best players at the CG and stop him falling into the hands of a promotion rival?

This does not all add up so far to me. Why can't the F.L. rubber stamp the transfer of those 3 players? They are loan deals, not sales. If it went t*** up they could go back.

Do the F.L. have some doubt about the take over already? Why no word yet from the McCrory bunch?

Sorry, call me an old pessimist, I've been a Town Fan too long, but this isn't looking the 'real deal, to me.

I just hope Paolo can keep the boys focused on Saturday.

COYR!
This new consortium haven't got off to a good start have they? Not sure the relationship between them and Paolo will ever be a good one now in any event. Why the hell did Black and McCrory keep PDC right out of the loop with the sale of Ritchie? Do they actually WANT him to walk away? What have they really gained in monitary terms for the sale anyway? Reported to be between £4 and £500k with a large proportion up front, not all. Lets guess at between £3&£400k. There is the sell on to Pompey at around £40k. So Town could come out of that sale with around £300k cash in hand. Give me a break. How can I believe that a consortium that say their aim is Championship football can't or wont put their hand on that sort of money to keep one of our best players at the CG and stop him falling into the hands of a promotion rival? This does not all add up so far to me. Why can't the F.L. rubber stamp the transfer of those 3 players? They are loan deals, not sales. If it went t*** up they could go back. Do the F.L. have some doubt about the take over already? Why no word yet from the McCrory bunch? Sorry, call me an old pessimist, I've been a Town Fan too long, but this isn't looking the 'real deal, to me. I just hope Paolo can keep the boys focused on Saturday. COYR! Since 1950

8:18am Fri 1 Feb 13

Is that you Lovesey says...

Well a bit dissapointed but these three players are without doubt the quality that we need, BWP will bang goals in at this level, Pack for me is a great centre midfielder and one of the best players that I saw in league 2 last year, he stood out in both games against us, whilst its frustrating I can understand that a club who had bought in specialists to restructure finances and had been talking about administration are trying to sign three players, its only reasonable for the football league to want the sale done first to check they aren't allowing us to dig an even bigger hole for ourselves, I expect us to sign them all next week, did Rooney move to Cheltenham or not....
Well a bit dissapointed but these three players are without doubt the quality that we need, BWP will bang goals in at this level, Pack for me is a great centre midfielder and one of the best players that I saw in league 2 last year, he stood out in both games against us, whilst its frustrating I can understand that a club who had bought in specialists to restructure finances and had been talking about administration are trying to sign three players, its only reasonable for the football league to want the sale done first to check they aren't allowing us to dig an even bigger hole for ourselves, I expect us to sign them all next week, did Rooney move to Cheltenham or not.... Is that you Lovesey

8:22am Fri 1 Feb 13

ChippyBOB. says...

ChippyBOB. wrote:
If these transfers are only being blocked because of FL approval of the take over, and all the correct criteria of the transfes themselves have been met then surely they should allow the players to play from the moment their checks have finished and they approve the take over. I know it has been a busy time for them because of the transfer deadline day activity, but it seems to me that this is down to somone their end not working had enough. Just hope it won't cost us any points. Paolo is a good enough manager to ensure the players we have do the job though. Just glad that administration has been avoided and with the 100 point deduction.
of course that should read 10 points... (bad keyboard) that does not excuse the bad spelling though. or grammer
[quote][p][bold]ChippyBOB.[/bold] wrote: If these transfers are only being blocked because of FL approval of the take over, and all the correct criteria of the transfes themselves have been met then surely they should allow the players to play from the moment their checks have finished and they approve the take over. I know it has been a busy time for them because of the transfer deadline day activity, but it seems to me that this is down to somone their end not working had enough. Just hope it won't cost us any points. Paolo is a good enough manager to ensure the players we have do the job though. Just glad that administration has been avoided and with the 100 point deduction.[/p][/quote]of course that should read 10 points... (bad keyboard) that does not excuse the bad spelling though. or grammer ChippyBOB.

8:30am Fri 1 Feb 13

ShearerShearer says...

So it's ok to sell but not to buy........

Nothing against Pompey (very glad we're not in their position) but different rules for others....

Nothing surprises me with the FL, ever since the financial irregularities scam where we were crucified and other clubs got clean away with it (a certain lord threatening the FL if Spurs were relegated springs to mind).

Still, in the meantime get them training and get them fit ready for Hartlepool :-)
So it's ok to sell but not to buy........ Nothing against Pompey (very glad we're not in their position) but different rules for others.... Nothing surprises me with the FL, ever since the financial irregularities scam where we were crucified and other clubs got clean away with it (a certain lord threatening the FL if Spurs were relegated springs to mind). Still, in the meantime get them training and get them fit ready for Hartlepool :-) ShearerShearer

8:32am Fri 1 Feb 13

We are PANTS says...

Is that you Lovesey wrote:
Well a bit dissapointed but these three players are without doubt the quality that we need, BWP will bang goals in at this level, Pack for me is a great centre midfielder and one of the best players that I saw in league 2 last year, he stood out in both games against us, whilst its frustrating I can understand that a club who had bought in specialists to restructure finances and had been talking about administration are trying to sign three players, its only reasonable for the football league to want the sale done first to check they aren't allowing us to dig an even bigger hole for ourselves, I expect us to sign them all next week, did Rooney move to Cheltenham or not....
But what happens between now and then if these players change thier minds because of all the unrest??
[quote][p][bold]Is that you Lovesey[/bold] wrote: Well a bit dissapointed but these three players are without doubt the quality that we need, BWP will bang goals in at this level, Pack for me is a great centre midfielder and one of the best players that I saw in league 2 last year, he stood out in both games against us, whilst its frustrating I can understand that a club who had bought in specialists to restructure finances and had been talking about administration are trying to sign three players, its only reasonable for the football league to want the sale done first to check they aren't allowing us to dig an even bigger hole for ourselves, I expect us to sign them all next week, did Rooney move to Cheltenham or not....[/p][/quote]But what happens between now and then if these players change thier minds because of all the unrest?? We are PANTS

8:38am Fri 1 Feb 13

Cookie43 says...

Basically the deals are done and in place. The FL have said that they can not play until after the emergency loan window opens. Nothing to sinister they just have to dot the Is and cross the Ts
For approval of the takeover it all happened to close to the transfer window. The players have had medicals and the deals been signed just waiting for FL approval.
Basically the deals are done and in place. The FL have said that they can not play until after the emergency loan window opens. Nothing to sinister they just have to dot the Is and cross the Ts For approval of the takeover it all happened to close to the transfer window. The players have had medicals and the deals been signed just waiting for FL approval. Cookie43

8:38am Fri 1 Feb 13

SAPFanSTFC says...

Stickshaker wrote:
SAPFanSTFC wrote:
smirg kcab wrote:
super reds wrote: The question that needs to be asked is why have the football league refused to ratify the deals, something is not right here & I am worried that there is more to this than meets the eye, hope I am completely barking up the wrong tree though
Down shep Onwards and upwards
Sorry should have said: . It is all a bit wuff this FL stuff but unlike others there Poodle-ing about doesn't give me the Collie-wobbles just yet. . Lets keep the Bull-Dog spirit going as the Wolf has been kept from the door and Grrrr-eat that we're no longer being Hound-ed. . I know - Don't give up the day job!! :-)
Comments like this are getting rather dog-eared, however I do agree that the Football Lead's actions have certainly put a spaniel in the works. Anyway I would have preferred we had signed that great Norwegian winger ''Pedi Gree'' or the Brazillian ''Mon Grella''. However I'm sure Bradley Wright Phillips can Whippet in like his father used to.
Firmly put in my place and heading off with my tail between my legs.
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Howling with laughter!....:-)
[quote][p][bold]Stickshaker[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SAPFanSTFC[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]smirg kcab[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]super reds[/bold] wrote: The question that needs to be asked is why have the football league refused to ratify the deals, something is not right here & I am worried that there is more to this than meets the eye, hope I am completely barking up the wrong tree though[/p][/quote]Down shep Onwards and upwards[/p][/quote]Sorry should have said: . It is all a bit wuff this FL stuff but unlike others there Poodle-ing about doesn't give me the Collie-wobbles just yet. . Lets keep the Bull-Dog spirit going as the Wolf has been kept from the door and Grrrr-eat that we're no longer being Hound-ed. . I know - Don't give up the day job!! :-)[/p][/quote]Comments like this are getting rather dog-eared, however I do agree that the Football Lead's actions have certainly put a spaniel in the works. Anyway I would have preferred we had signed that great Norwegian winger ''Pedi Gree'' or the Brazillian ''Mon Grella''. However I'm sure Bradley Wright Phillips can Whippet in like his father used to.[/p][/quote]Firmly put in my place and heading off with my tail between my legs. . Howling with laughter!....:-) SAPFanSTFC

8:38am Fri 1 Feb 13

old town robin says...

If it is the 65% cap problem again, then surely that won't be an issue after tomorrow with the departure of Danny Hollands and Chris Martin along with the already leaving of Ritchie, Benson and Luke Rooney off the books we should be within the agreed level. Did not see anyone come in for Lee Cox, so guess he is still with us.

Think we need a statement from the club explaining why the FL did not sanction these loans, but don't have a problem with Pompey who have no owner. It would also be nice to know how long it's goint to ratify the new owners, who we still don't know who they are or what the name of their concortium is
If it is the 65% cap problem again, then surely that won't be an issue after tomorrow with the departure of Danny Hollands and Chris Martin along with the already leaving of Ritchie, Benson and Luke Rooney off the books we should be within the agreed level. Did not see anyone come in for Lee Cox, so guess he is still with us. Think we need a statement from the club explaining why the FL did not sanction these loans, but don't have a problem with Pompey who have no owner. It would also be nice to know how long it's goint to ratify the new owners, who we still don't know who they are or what the name of their concortium is old town robin

8:39am Fri 1 Feb 13

the wizard says...

I do think we need to calm down over the new owners. They are not in place yet until the FL has sanctioned them as OK, so why all the name calling when it does nothing to further their cause. Without them we are dead, buried and gone. As for Black we do not know his private circumstances, and he was obviously under pressure to sell, his club, his money, his choice.

The best way forward is to support the manager and team until all the admin, by the club, the new and old owners and the FL is done and dusted.
The players must feel shell shocked and bewildered, and the last thing they need is to see all the infighting and bickering here and elsewhere, its time for us to support them both on and off the field. Obviously too, our manager must be under terrific pressure and yet he has chosen to keep his own council and has kept a low profile while all this has been going on, continuing to do his job through a time of adversity and very efficiently with three players yesterday, yet that has hardly got a mention here. Time for folk to lighten up, appreciate what people are trying to do to save this club and at the same time push it forward. They ALL get my vote.
I do think we need to calm down over the new owners. They are not in place yet until the FL has sanctioned them as OK, so why all the name calling when it does nothing to further their cause. Without them we are dead, buried and gone. As for Black we do not know his private circumstances, and he was obviously under pressure to sell, his club, his money, his choice. The best way forward is to support the manager and team until all the admin, by the club, the new and old owners and the FL is done and dusted. The players must feel shell shocked and bewildered, and the last thing they need is to see all the infighting and bickering here and elsewhere, its time for us to support them both on and off the field. Obviously too, our manager must be under terrific pressure and yet he has chosen to keep his own council and has kept a low profile while all this has been going on, continuing to do his job through a time of adversity and very efficiently with three players yesterday, yet that has hardly got a mention here. Time for folk to lighten up, appreciate what people are trying to do to save this club and at the same time push it forward. They ALL get my vote. the wizard

8:41am Fri 1 Feb 13

SAPFanSTFC says...

Since 1950 wrote:
This new consortium haven't got off to a good start have they?

Not sure the relationship between them and Paolo will ever be a good one now in any event.

Why the hell did Black and McCrory keep PDC right out of the loop with the sale of Ritchie? Do they actually WANT him to walk away?

What have they really gained in monitary terms for the sale anyway? Reported to be between £4 and £500k with a large proportion up front, not all. Lets guess at between £3&£400k. There is the sell on to Pompey at around £40k. So Town could come out of that sale with around £300k cash in hand.

Give me a break. How can I believe that a consortium that say their aim is Championship football can't or wont put their hand on that sort of money to keep one of our best players at the CG and stop him falling into the hands of a promotion rival?

This does not all add up so far to me. Why can't the F.L. rubber stamp the transfer of those 3 players? They are loan deals, not sales. If it went t*** up they could go back.

Do the F.L. have some doubt about the take over already? Why no word yet from the McCrory bunch?

Sorry, call me an old pessimist, I've been a Town Fan too long, but this isn't looking the 'real deal, to me.

I just hope Paolo can keep the boys focused on Saturday.

COYR!
Bit unfair to blame the new consortium - they've not even been officially installed as owners yet!?
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....and they did sanction and approve funding for PDC's forray into the loans market.
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Think you're being very harsh on them and surprisingly downbeat on this one.
[quote][p][bold]Since 1950[/bold] wrote: This new consortium haven't got off to a good start have they? Not sure the relationship between them and Paolo will ever be a good one now in any event. Why the hell did Black and McCrory keep PDC right out of the loop with the sale of Ritchie? Do they actually WANT him to walk away? What have they really gained in monitary terms for the sale anyway? Reported to be between £4 and £500k with a large proportion up front, not all. Lets guess at between £3&£400k. There is the sell on to Pompey at around £40k. So Town could come out of that sale with around £300k cash in hand. Give me a break. How can I believe that a consortium that say their aim is Championship football can't or wont put their hand on that sort of money to keep one of our best players at the CG and stop him falling into the hands of a promotion rival? This does not all add up so far to me. Why can't the F.L. rubber stamp the transfer of those 3 players? They are loan deals, not sales. If it went t*** up they could go back. Do the F.L. have some doubt about the take over already? Why no word yet from the McCrory bunch? Sorry, call me an old pessimist, I've been a Town Fan too long, but this isn't looking the 'real deal, to me. I just hope Paolo can keep the boys focused on Saturday. COYR![/p][/quote]Bit unfair to blame the new consortium - they've not even been officially installed as owners yet!? . ....and they did sanction and approve funding for PDC's forray into the loans market. . Think you're being very harsh on them and surprisingly downbeat on this one. SAPFanSTFC

8:50am Fri 1 Feb 13

We are PANTS says...

Cookie43 wrote:
Basically the deals are done and in place. The FL have said that they can not play until after the emergency loan window opens. Nothing to sinister they just have to dot the Is and cross the Ts For approval of the takeover it all happened to close to the transfer window. The players have had medicals and the deals been signed just waiting for FL approval.
If this really is the case then i can handle that and move on!! Time for us fans to maybe start focusing on a very important matter tomorrow tea time!!

COYR'ssssssss
[quote][p][bold]Cookie43[/bold] wrote: Basically the deals are done and in place. The FL have said that they can not play until after the emergency loan window opens. Nothing to sinister they just have to dot the Is and cross the Ts For approval of the takeover it all happened to close to the transfer window. The players have had medicals and the deals been signed just waiting for FL approval.[/p][/quote]If this really is the case then i can handle that and move on!! Time for us fans to maybe start focusing on a very important matter tomorrow tea time!! COYR'ssssssss We are PANTS

8:50am Fri 1 Feb 13

Since 1950 says...

SAPFanSTFC wrote:
Since 1950 wrote: This new consortium haven't got off to a good start have they? Not sure the relationship between them and Paolo will ever be a good one now in any event. Why the hell did Black and McCrory keep PDC right out of the loop with the sale of Ritchie? Do they actually WANT him to walk away? What have they really gained in monitary terms for the sale anyway? Reported to be between £4 and £500k with a large proportion up front, not all. Lets guess at between £3&£400k. There is the sell on to Pompey at around £40k. So Town could come out of that sale with around £300k cash in hand. Give me a break. How can I believe that a consortium that say their aim is Championship football can't or wont put their hand on that sort of money to keep one of our best players at the CG and stop him falling into the hands of a promotion rival? This does not all add up so far to me. Why can't the F.L. rubber stamp the transfer of those 3 players? They are loan deals, not sales. If it went t*** up they could go back. Do the F.L. have some doubt about the take over already? Why no word yet from the McCrory bunch? Sorry, call me an old pessimist, I've been a Town Fan too long, but this isn't looking the 'real deal, to me. I just hope Paolo can keep the boys focused on Saturday. COYR!
Bit unfair to blame the new consortium - they've not even been officially installed as owners yet!? . ....and they did sanction and approve funding for PDC's forray into the loans market. . Think you're being very harsh on them and surprisingly downbeat on this one.
Hi SAP.

Maybe. However I'll stand by my comments on the sale of Ritchie and the fact that they kept Paolo out of the loop, and I do have a bad gut feeling about this take over. Smacks of panic to me.

COYR!
[quote][p][bold]SAPFanSTFC[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Since 1950[/bold] wrote: This new consortium haven't got off to a good start have they? Not sure the relationship between them and Paolo will ever be a good one now in any event. Why the hell did Black and McCrory keep PDC right out of the loop with the sale of Ritchie? Do they actually WANT him to walk away? What have they really gained in monitary terms for the sale anyway? Reported to be between £4 and £500k with a large proportion up front, not all. Lets guess at between £3&£400k. There is the sell on to Pompey at around £40k. So Town could come out of that sale with around £300k cash in hand. Give me a break. How can I believe that a consortium that say their aim is Championship football can't or wont put their hand on that sort of money to keep one of our best players at the CG and stop him falling into the hands of a promotion rival? This does not all add up so far to me. Why can't the F.L. rubber stamp the transfer of those 3 players? They are loan deals, not sales. If it went t*** up they could go back. Do the F.L. have some doubt about the take over already? Why no word yet from the McCrory bunch? Sorry, call me an old pessimist, I've been a Town Fan too long, but this isn't looking the 'real deal, to me. I just hope Paolo can keep the boys focused on Saturday. COYR![/p][/quote]Bit unfair to blame the new consortium - they've not even been officially installed as owners yet!? . ....and they did sanction and approve funding for PDC's forray into the loans market. . Think you're being very harsh on them and surprisingly downbeat on this one.[/p][/quote]Hi SAP. Maybe. However I'll stand by my comments on the sale of Ritchie and the fact that they kept Paolo out of the loop, and I do have a bad gut feeling about this take over. Smacks of panic to me. COYR! Since 1950

8:51am Fri 1 Feb 13

umpcah says...

SAPFanSTFC wrote:
Since 1950 wrote:
This new consortium haven't got off to a good start have they?

Not sure the relationship between them and Paolo will ever be a good one now in any event.

Why the hell did Black and McCrory keep PDC right out of the loop with the sale of Ritchie? Do they actually WANT him to walk away?

What have they really gained in monitary terms for the sale anyway? Reported to be between £4 and £500k with a large proportion up front, not all. Lets guess at between £3&£400k. There is the sell on to Pompey at around £40k. So Town could come out of that sale with around £300k cash in hand.

Give me a break. How can I believe that a consortium that say their aim is Championship football can't or wont put their hand on that sort of money to keep one of our best players at the CG and stop him falling into the hands of a promotion rival?

This does not all add up so far to me. Why can't the F.L. rubber stamp the transfer of those 3 players? They are loan deals, not sales. If it went t*** up they could go back.

Do the F.L. have some doubt about the take over already? Why no word yet from the McCrory bunch?

Sorry, call me an old pessimist, I've been a Town Fan too long, but this isn't looking the 'real deal, to me.

I just hope Paolo can keep the boys focused on Saturday.

COYR!
Bit unfair to blame the new consortium - they've not even been officially installed as owners yet!?
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....and they did sanction and approve funding for PDC's forray into the loans market.
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Think you're being very harsh on them and surprisingly downbeat on this one.
The new consortium need to make a suitable statement of intent as soon as they have been formally installed. In the meantime I have to admit to feeling very low today and just a bit apprehensive. Anyone care to brighten me up with a good joke or do I have to wait for three points tomorrow ?
[quote][p][bold]SAPFanSTFC[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Since 1950[/bold] wrote: This new consortium haven't got off to a good start have they? Not sure the relationship between them and Paolo will ever be a good one now in any event. Why the hell did Black and McCrory keep PDC right out of the loop with the sale of Ritchie? Do they actually WANT him to walk away? What have they really gained in monitary terms for the sale anyway? Reported to be between £4 and £500k with a large proportion up front, not all. Lets guess at between £3&£400k. There is the sell on to Pompey at around £40k. So Town could come out of that sale with around £300k cash in hand. Give me a break. How can I believe that a consortium that say their aim is Championship football can't or wont put their hand on that sort of money to keep one of our best players at the CG and stop him falling into the hands of a promotion rival? This does not all add up so far to me. Why can't the F.L. rubber stamp the transfer of those 3 players? They are loan deals, not sales. If it went t*** up they could go back. Do the F.L. have some doubt about the take over already? Why no word yet from the McCrory bunch? Sorry, call me an old pessimist, I've been a Town Fan too long, but this isn't looking the 'real deal, to me. I just hope Paolo can keep the boys focused on Saturday. COYR![/p][/quote]Bit unfair to blame the new consortium - they've not even been officially installed as owners yet!? . ....and they did sanction and approve funding for PDC's forray into the loans market. . Think you're being very harsh on them and surprisingly downbeat on this one.[/p][/quote]The new consortium need to make a suitable statement of intent as soon as they have been formally installed. In the meantime I have to admit to feeling very low today and just a bit apprehensive. Anyone care to brighten me up with a good joke or do I have to wait for three points tomorrow ? umpcah

8:53am Fri 1 Feb 13

LeGod says...

i think we all still need to be concerned until the take over is rubber stamped by the FL. Worryingly though and we all have to bear in mind they were refused permission to take over at Luton. They have to prove they have the funds and arent a dodgy load of second hand car dealers a bit of a joke really when you look at all the dodgy owners at other clubs from outside these shores ie Birmingham comes to mind as he's banged up and theres been plenty in the past Leicester-Pompey-Man City-Notts County so surprisingly how did these people pass the fit and proper test, it makes you wonder.
I dont understand it's loan deals for these players even though the take over isnt complete but were not in Administration yet Pompey are and can sign players - strange rule.
Anyway if the take over doesnt happen we all need to seriously worry thinking negative as we will get hammered by the FL probably like Luton were.
This has to go through and i hope AB has a contingency in place if it doesnt he had it for Ritchie who has been made the sacrificial lamb by AB.

This club since JW left has been absolutely crap at providing us with details and Patey is a joke if he's a diplomat but as i've said before he probably treats football fans with contempt.
Lets do the business on the pitch tomorrow at Crawley and i hope this doesnt effect the players on the pitch but i'm hoping with Paolo at the helm he wont let them get affected by it.
i think we all still need to be concerned until the take over is rubber stamped by the FL. Worryingly though and we all have to bear in mind they were refused permission to take over at Luton. They have to prove they have the funds and arent a dodgy load of second hand car dealers a bit of a joke really when you look at all the dodgy owners at other clubs from outside these shores ie Birmingham comes to mind as he's banged up and theres been plenty in the past Leicester-Pompey-Man City-Notts County so surprisingly how did these people pass the fit and proper test, it makes you wonder. I dont understand it's loan deals for these players even though the take over isnt complete but were not in Administration yet Pompey are and can sign players - strange rule. Anyway if the take over doesnt happen we all need to seriously worry thinking negative as we will get hammered by the FL probably like Luton were. This has to go through and i hope AB has a contingency in place if it doesnt he had it for Ritchie who has been made the sacrificial lamb by AB. This club since JW left has been absolutely crap at providing us with details and Patey is a joke if he's a diplomat but as i've said before he probably treats football fans with contempt. Lets do the business on the pitch tomorrow at Crawley and i hope this doesnt effect the players on the pitch but i'm hoping with Paolo at the helm he wont let them get affected by it. LeGod

8:54am Fri 1 Feb 13

London Red says...

Can't remember who but someone gave a great anology the other day
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You don't install a new £40k kitchen in a house you have had an offer accepted
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You wait until completetion and you have the keys!
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Thats what our new owners are doing - they are not going to stump up £500k incase the FL say no and they never get it back

However - you may install a £40k kitchen if it was your house and it was likely to enhance your chance of a sale!
Can't remember who but someone gave a great anology the other day . You don't install a new £40k kitchen in a house you have had an offer accepted . You wait until completetion and you have the keys! . Thats what our new owners are doing - they are not going to stump up £500k incase the FL say no and they never get it back However - you may install a £40k kitchen if it was your house and it was likely to enhance your chance of a sale! London Red

8:55am Fri 1 Feb 13

the wizard says...

The repetition of the same question here is bewildering. The sale of Matt Ritchie.

Black was the owner, and wants to sell the club.

New owners found, negotiations take place. Sale agreed.

Due diligence reveals a "current account" cash shortfall that will see the club run out of money while the take over is taking place.

Discussions take place on how to bridge that gap. Neither side has "ready cash" at that point in time to put in. Sale of a player is discussed by old and new owners and reluctantly agreed.

Black as the out going owner sells Ritchie, as he is entitled to do. The funds come in almost immediately making the day to day running of the club possible by keeping it solvent.

Club sold, paperwork sent to FL for them to ratify new owners. Technically now the club is in flux and cannot buy new players until the new owners are approved.

Jed pays in money to fund loans etc believed to be around £3M

Signings made but as Jed-the-Red not approved the new players also cannot yet be approved but will be if he is, and that is how we could could sell but not buy or loan new players until ratification day.
The repetition of the same question here is bewildering. The sale of Matt Ritchie. Black was the owner, and wants to sell the club. New owners found, negotiations take place. Sale agreed. Due diligence reveals a "current account" cash shortfall that will see the club run out of money while the take over is taking place. Discussions take place on how to bridge that gap. Neither side has "ready cash" at that point in time to put in. Sale of a player is discussed by old and new owners and reluctantly agreed. Black as the out going owner sells Ritchie, as he is entitled to do. The funds come in almost immediately making the day to day running of the club possible by keeping it solvent. Club sold, paperwork sent to FL for them to ratify new owners. Technically now the club is in flux and cannot buy new players until the new owners are approved. Jed pays in money to fund loans etc believed to be around £3M Signings made but as Jed-the-Red not approved the new players also cannot yet be approved but will be if he is, and that is how we could could sell but not buy or loan new players until ratification day. the wizard

8:55am Fri 1 Feb 13

Davidsyrett says...

I suppose the simple answer is that AB has washed his hands of the club and until the League has agreed to the new owners we are in Limbo.

Once again though it looks like this club is being run on a wing and a prayer, did no-one think to inquire?

For too many years this has been a poorly ran club, and I include the last board in that. Lets just hope that Jed knows what he's doing.
I suppose the simple answer is that AB has washed his hands of the club and until the League has agreed to the new owners we are in Limbo. Once again though it looks like this club is being run on a wing and a prayer, did no-one think to inquire? For too many years this has been a poorly ran club, and I include the last board in that. Lets just hope that Jed knows what he's doing. Davidsyrett

8:58am Fri 1 Feb 13

the wizard says...

Sorry LR , I was doing my post and you probably had the same idea a bit earlier.

Agreed on Ferry from last night, top man.
Sorry LR , I was doing my post and you probably had the same idea a bit earlier. Agreed on Ferry from last night, top man. the wizard

8:59am Fri 1 Feb 13

London Red says...

Jesus Christ - I thought we were bad at judging players before they have kicked a ball
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It appears we are now worse about owners!
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Lets wait and hear what they have to say before slagging them off
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I was refused a creditcard once - does that mean I should be blacklisted forever!
Jesus Christ - I thought we were bad at judging players before they have kicked a ball . It appears we are now worse about owners! . Lets wait and hear what they have to say before slagging them off . I was refused a creditcard once - does that mean I should be blacklisted forever! London Red

8:59am Fri 1 Feb 13

madterrier says...

It is frustrating but as I see it...

the Ritchie sale went ahead with no issues because Black and the old board were still in charge then; the takeover deal was announced later that day.

The FL has to complete its fit and proper tests and it would be impossible to do these in 24 hours. You wouldn't want the people running football in this country to just wave anyone through and allow them to become owners?

You would have expected the club to be aware of the circumstances beforehand, but maybe they were? By pressing ahead and filing the deals on time, they might have staved off interest from other clubs. We were in competition with MK Franchise for Green apparently.

The 'Emergency' loan window is badly named, as outside the PL loans can still be secured for a month starting on 8 Feb. It might also be possible that the FL ratifies these loan deals once the takeover is approved, whatever date that might be.

The Adver could have helped yesterday by appraising everyone of the rules and circumstances, rather than reporting all the other deals by clubs in which we have no interest.

I'm a bit surprised the club feels it can add to its wage bill. If the monthly bill is in excess of £200,000-300,000 and the club losing £100,000 a week, then how can we afford more?!
It is frustrating but as I see it... the Ritchie sale went ahead with no issues because Black and the old board were still in charge then; the takeover deal was announced later that day. The FL has to complete its fit and proper tests and it would be impossible to do these in 24 hours. You wouldn't want the people running football in this country to just wave anyone through and allow them to become owners? You would have expected the club to be aware of the circumstances beforehand, but maybe they were? By pressing ahead and filing the deals on time, they might have staved off interest from other clubs. We were in competition with MK Franchise for Green apparently. The 'Emergency' loan window is badly named, as outside the PL loans can still be secured for a month starting on 8 Feb. It might also be possible that the FL ratifies these loan deals once the takeover is approved, whatever date that might be. The Adver could have helped yesterday by appraising everyone of the rules and circumstances, rather than reporting all the other deals by clubs in which we have no interest. I'm a bit surprised the club feels it can add to its wage bill. If the monthly bill is in excess of £200,000-300,000 and the club losing £100,000 a week, then how can we afford more?! madterrier

9:02am Fri 1 Feb 13

Since 1950 says...

London Red wrote:
Can't remember who but someone gave a great anology the other day . You don't install a new £40k kitchen in a house you have had an offer accepted . You wait until completetion and you have the keys! . Thats what our new owners are doing - they are not going to stump up £500k incase the FL say no and they never get it back However - you may install a £40k kitchen if it was your house and it was likely to enhance your chance of a sale!
Seems to me we've ripped out a £400k kitchen before we've sold the house!!
[quote][p][bold]London Red[/bold] wrote: Can't remember who but someone gave a great anology the other day . You don't install a new £40k kitchen in a house you have had an offer accepted . You wait until completetion and you have the keys! . Thats what our new owners are doing - they are not going to stump up £500k incase the FL say no and they never get it back However - you may install a £40k kitchen if it was your house and it was likely to enhance your chance of a sale![/p][/quote]Seems to me we've ripped out a £400k kitchen before we've sold the house!! Since 1950

9:03am Fri 1 Feb 13

swindonsquibz says...

On the Gloucestershire echo they said they are confident the deal with pack will be go through next Friday
On the Gloucestershire echo they said they are confident the deal with pack will be go through next Friday swindonsquibz

9:04am Fri 1 Feb 13

Fernham Red says...

I look to the positives we still have a healthy 1st team and regular subs. On another note, this will mean that either of Luke Rooney or Lee Cox will be on the subs bench on Saturday and BOTH of them come Tuesday. This should been seen as their 2nd chance; I hope they grab it. Cox did well for that other team down the A420, lest we forget.
I look to the positives we still have a healthy 1st team and regular subs. On another note, this will mean that either of Luke Rooney or Lee Cox will be on the subs bench on Saturday and BOTH of them come Tuesday. This should been seen as their 2nd chance; I hope they grab it. Cox did well for that other team down the A420, lest we forget. Fernham Red

9:12am Fri 1 Feb 13

The Jockster says...

London Red wrote:
I guessing the new owners are not saying anything as they are not yet the owners - thus the sale of Ritchie and the blocked loans
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Would rather they stay silent until its done than a BEST Holdings style media oveoad whic turned out to be nothing
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JM is allowed to sit on the board of both clubs for the remainder of the season as we can not meet in any competition - but must severe ties wit Banbury in the summer
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He is due to speak to Banbury fans (tonight I believe - its on the take over page) so anyone local may want to pop along to see what he has to say
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Here's a thought how about the Adver also pop along to get some info???
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Like others what we really need to know is why AB pulled the plug now?
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I get he wanted out no issue with that - but why agree a loss only to back out halfway through the year
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All actions have gone against earlier comments so could the truth actually come out now?
LR surely AB pulled the plug because he was not prepared to dip his hand in his pocket anymore, although I agree it would have been good if he'd just got us over the transfer window and gone as soon as the takeover was ratified by the FL.

2012 if you want to know why I'm sceptical then read 1950's latest post saves me relating the same points. Like him I smell a potential rat but the silence from the new kids on the block is deafening. OK until the FL have given the nod they are not strictly the owners and don't expect them to stump up cash for an asset/liability they don't own, but you'd think that they would've objected to the sale of Ritchie as some kind of declaration of intent to the fans that they were really interested in taking the club forward. So I don't see my original post as any kind of knee jerk reaction more one of caveat emptor. Final thought why all the cloak & dagger stuff about who the Famous Five are or aren't? Until I see positive answers to some of these questions I'll keep the rosy specs firmly in their case!
[quote][p][bold]London Red[/bold] wrote: I guessing the new owners are not saying anything as they are not yet the owners - thus the sale of Ritchie and the blocked loans . Would rather they stay silent until its done than a BEST Holdings style media oveoad whic turned out to be nothing . JM is allowed to sit on the board of both clubs for the remainder of the season as we can not meet in any competition - but must severe ties wit Banbury in the summer . He is due to speak to Banbury fans (tonight I believe - its on the take over page) so anyone local may want to pop along to see what he has to say . Here's a thought how about the Adver also pop along to get some info??? . Like others what we really need to know is why AB pulled the plug now? . I get he wanted out no issue with that - but why agree a loss only to back out halfway through the year . All actions have gone against earlier comments so could the truth actually come out now?[/p][/quote]LR surely AB pulled the plug because he was not prepared to dip his hand in his pocket anymore, although I agree it would have been good if he'd just got us over the transfer window and gone as soon as the takeover was ratified by the FL. 2012 if you want to know why I'm sceptical then read 1950's latest post saves me relating the same points. Like him I smell a potential rat but the silence from the new kids on the block is deafening. OK until the FL have given the nod they are not strictly the owners and don't expect them to stump up cash for an asset/liability they don't own, but you'd think that they would've objected to the sale of Ritchie as some kind of declaration of intent to the fans that they were really interested in taking the club forward. So I don't see my original post as any kind of knee jerk reaction more one of caveat emptor. Final thought why all the cloak & dagger stuff about who the Famous Five are or aren't? Until I see positive answers to some of these questions I'll keep the rosy specs firmly in their case! The Jockster

9:13am Fri 1 Feb 13

Wilesy says...

Hopefully the consortium, whoever they may be, will have learnt from the failed Luton attempt and will not be trying the same trick twice.

They must be aware of why that failed and have changed tactics accordingly for the Swindon attempt.

They must have put in a bit of money too if we are after the three players in question, although in reality we are simply replacing Ritchie with Green, Hollands with Pack, and Benson with BWP. Wages of L Rooney also off the books with the Pack switch. Presumably Martin will now return to Norwich, although maybe not after the attempt to get Madine in failed. So if it had all come off it may have been 5 out 4 it's not like we have gone spending crazy.
Hopefully the consortium, whoever they may be, will have learnt from the failed Luton attempt and will not be trying the same trick twice. They must be aware of why that failed and have changed tactics accordingly for the Swindon attempt. They must have put in a bit of money too if we are after the three players in question, although in reality we are simply replacing Ritchie with Green, Hollands with Pack, and Benson with BWP. Wages of L Rooney also off the books with the Pack switch. Presumably Martin will now return to Norwich, although maybe not after the attempt to get Madine in failed. So if it had all come off it may have been 5 out 4 it's not like we have gone spending crazy. Wilesy

9:16am Fri 1 Feb 13

Wilesy says...

Wilesy wrote:
Hopefully the consortium, whoever they may be, will have learnt from the failed Luton attempt and will not be trying the same trick twice. They must be aware of why that failed and have changed tactics accordingly for the Swindon attempt. They must have put in a bit of money too if we are after the three players in question, although in reality we are simply replacing Ritchie with Green, Hollands with Pack, and Benson with BWP. Wages of L Rooney also off the books with the Pack switch. Presumably Martin will now return to Norwich, although maybe not after the attempt to get Madine in failed. So if it had all come off it may have been 5 out 4 it's not like we have gone spending crazy.
5 out 4 in I meant.
[quote][p][bold]Wilesy[/bold] wrote: Hopefully the consortium, whoever they may be, will have learnt from the failed Luton attempt and will not be trying the same trick twice. They must be aware of why that failed and have changed tactics accordingly for the Swindon attempt. They must have put in a bit of money too if we are after the three players in question, although in reality we are simply replacing Ritchie with Green, Hollands with Pack, and Benson with BWP. Wages of L Rooney also off the books with the Pack switch. Presumably Martin will now return to Norwich, although maybe not after the attempt to get Madine in failed. So if it had all come off it may have been 5 out 4 it's not like we have gone spending crazy.[/p][/quote]5 out 4 in I meant. Wilesy

9:17am Fri 1 Feb 13

Since 1950 says...

The Jockster wrote:
London Red wrote: I guessing the new owners are not saying anything as they are not yet the owners - thus the sale of Ritchie and the blocked loans . Would rather they stay silent until its done than a BEST Holdings style media oveoad whic turned out to be nothing . JM is allowed to sit on the board of both clubs for the remainder of the season as we can not meet in any competition - but must severe ties wit Banbury in the summer . He is due to speak to Banbury fans (tonight I believe - its on the take over page) so anyone local may want to pop along to see what he has to say . Here's a thought how about the Adver also pop along to get some info??? . Like others what we really need to know is why AB pulled the plug now? . I get he wanted out no issue with that - but why agree a loss only to back out halfway through the year . All actions have gone against earlier comments so could the truth actually come out now?
LR surely AB pulled the plug because he was not prepared to dip his hand in his pocket anymore, although I agree it would have been good if he'd just got us over the transfer window and gone as soon as the takeover was ratified by the FL. 2012 if you want to know why I'm sceptical then read 1950's latest post saves me relating the same points. Like him I smell a potential rat but the silence from the new kids on the block is deafening. OK until the FL have given the nod they are not strictly the owners and don't expect them to stump up cash for an asset/liability they don't own, but you'd think that they would've objected to the sale of Ritchie as some kind of declaration of intent to the fans that they were really interested in taking the club forward. So I don't see my original post as any kind of knee jerk reaction more one of caveat emptor. Final thought why all the cloak & dagger stuff about who the Famous Five are or aren't? Until I see positive answers to some of these questions I'll keep the rosy specs firmly in their case!
Jockster.

You can add to my post, as I was reminded and didn't include it, that I understand this consortium failed in their bid to take over at Luton. Eau de Rodant!
[quote][p][bold]The Jockster[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]London Red[/bold] wrote: I guessing the new owners are not saying anything as they are not yet the owners - thus the sale of Ritchie and the blocked loans . Would rather they stay silent until its done than a BEST Holdings style media oveoad whic turned out to be nothing . JM is allowed to sit on the board of both clubs for the remainder of the season as we can not meet in any competition - but must severe ties wit Banbury in the summer . He is due to speak to Banbury fans (tonight I believe - its on the take over page) so anyone local may want to pop along to see what he has to say . Here's a thought how about the Adver also pop along to get some info??? . Like others what we really need to know is why AB pulled the plug now? . I get he wanted out no issue with that - but why agree a loss only to back out halfway through the year . All actions have gone against earlier comments so could the truth actually come out now?[/p][/quote]LR surely AB pulled the plug because he was not prepared to dip his hand in his pocket anymore, although I agree it would have been good if he'd just got us over the transfer window and gone as soon as the takeover was ratified by the FL. 2012 if you want to know why I'm sceptical then read 1950's latest post saves me relating the same points. Like him I smell a potential rat but the silence from the new kids on the block is deafening. OK until the FL have given the nod they are not strictly the owners and don't expect them to stump up cash for an asset/liability they don't own, but you'd think that they would've objected to the sale of Ritchie as some kind of declaration of intent to the fans that they were really interested in taking the club forward. So I don't see my original post as any kind of knee jerk reaction more one of caveat emptor. Final thought why all the cloak & dagger stuff about who the Famous Five are or aren't? Until I see positive answers to some of these questions I'll keep the rosy specs firmly in their case![/p][/quote]Jockster. You can add to my post, as I was reminded and didn't include it, that I understand this consortium failed in their bid to take over at Luton. Eau de Rodant! Since 1950

9:19am Fri 1 Feb 13

Stilloyal says...

You cant put any blame on Jed as they are not officially the owners yet because the takeover has not been ratified.
Only person to blame Is Black for creating all this last minute rush and panic.
I do have some sympathy with Black though because he didn't want to lose more of his vast fortune. Having said that he could have made his desire to sell the club a little sooner and taken longer over the sale.
There again this process may have forced the sale of another of our "stars" to cover running costs.
Just be grateful we still have a club, be grateful we are not in administration, be grateful we have the best manager outside the Premiership and be grateful we have a great team that are flying in third place in the league.
Once we get these three players in place it'll be a matter of weeks before we hit top spot.
You cant put any blame on Jed as they are not officially the owners yet because the takeover has not been ratified. Only person to blame Is Black for creating all this last minute rush and panic. I do have some sympathy with Black though because he didn't want to lose more of his vast fortune. Having said that he could have made his desire to sell the club a little sooner and taken longer over the sale. There again this process may have forced the sale of another of our "stars" to cover running costs. Just be grateful we still have a club, be grateful we are not in administration, be grateful we have the best manager outside the Premiership and be grateful we have a great team that are flying in third place in the league. Once we get these three players in place it'll be a matter of weeks before we hit top spot. Stilloyal

9:21am Fri 1 Feb 13

Guv says...

Good morning, I come bearing some good ish news.

My info today is the Football legaue were indeed 100% right to halt us from doing any business yesterday, but the good news is that the C are now set to take over, but in true Swindon ways, the whole take over is a real mess!

But we should be able to get these players early next week and A at the moment is back away in that cupboard.

It's a real mess but further forward than it has been, so fingers crossed, this gets sorted and the football league will have no issues.

If you knew the truth you would indeed agree that no transfers took place!

At the moment, things are looking better, but it is Swindon Town. who knows.
Good morning, I come bearing some good ish news. My info today is the Football legaue were indeed 100% right to halt us from doing any business yesterday, but the good news is that the C are now set to take over, but in true Swindon ways, the whole take over is a real mess! But we should be able to get these players early next week and A at the moment is back away in that cupboard. It's a real mess but further forward than it has been, so fingers crossed, this gets sorted and the football league will have no issues. If you knew the truth you would indeed agree that no transfers took place! At the moment, things are looking better, but it is Swindon Town. who knows. Guv

9:23am Fri 1 Feb 13

EastleazeRed says...

As angry as I am , I still think these deals will go through next week . The board must of known that the football league would not sanction them at this moment in time. All the paperwork is compleate and terms have been agreed , think it was just a case of get them in and signed and wait till next week. At least they cant go nowhere else.
As angry as I am , I still think these deals will go through next week . The board must of known that the football league would not sanction them at this moment in time. All the paperwork is compleate and terms have been agreed , think it was just a case of get them in and signed and wait till next week. At least they cant go nowhere else. EastleazeRed

9:23am Fri 1 Feb 13

Oxon-Red says...

the wizard wrote:
I do think we need to calm down over the new owners. They are not in place yet until the FL has sanctioned them as OK, so why all the name calling when it does nothing to further their cause. Without them we are dead, buried and gone. As for Black we do not know his private circumstances, and he was obviously under pressure to sell, his club, his money, his choice. The best way forward is to support the manager and team until all the admin, by the club, the new and old owners and the FL is done and dusted. The players must feel shell shocked and bewildered, and the last thing they need is to see all the infighting and bickering here and elsewhere, its time for us to support them both on and off the field. Obviously too, our manager must be under terrific pressure and yet he has chosen to keep his own council and has kept a low profile while all this has been going on, continuing to do his job through a time of adversity and very efficiently with three players yesterday, yet that has hardly got a mention here. Time for folk to lighten up, appreciate what people are trying to do to save this club and at the same time push it forward. They ALL get my vote.
Good post Wiz.

I think some are being a little impatient and need to take a deep breath. No surprise here that the transfers have not been sanctioned as we are, as I said yesterday, in limbo until the take over has been ratified.

All talk of funds should be forgotten for the time being. If they are not mega rich but have the funds to see us through to the end of the season that should be enough. We can assess the situation then and set budgets according to our pockets.

We have been spoilt recently and may need to accept that we may have to continue by living within our means. It may mean a few socks staying on but we will have a football club to support every Saturday.

On a more positive note, the signings that failed do indicate that the new people are keen to go for it this season. We can help with our full support for the team, manager and new board.

COYMR
[quote][p][bold]the wizard[/bold] wrote: I do think we need to calm down over the new owners. They are not in place yet until the FL has sanctioned them as OK, so why all the name calling when it does nothing to further their cause. Without them we are dead, buried and gone. As for Black we do not know his private circumstances, and he was obviously under pressure to sell, his club, his money, his choice. The best way forward is to support the manager and team until all the admin, by the club, the new and old owners and the FL is done and dusted. The players must feel shell shocked and bewildered, and the last thing they need is to see all the infighting and bickering here and elsewhere, its time for us to support them both on and off the field. Obviously too, our manager must be under terrific pressure and yet he has chosen to keep his own council and has kept a low profile while all this has been going on, continuing to do his job through a time of adversity and very efficiently with three players yesterday, yet that has hardly got a mention here. Time for folk to lighten up, appreciate what people are trying to do to save this club and at the same time push it forward. They ALL get my vote.[/p][/quote]Good post Wiz. I think some are being a little impatient and need to take a deep breath. No surprise here that the transfers have not been sanctioned as we are, as I said yesterday, in limbo until the take over has been ratified. All talk of funds should be forgotten for the time being. If they are not mega rich but have the funds to see us through to the end of the season that should be enough. We can assess the situation then and set budgets according to our pockets. We have been spoilt recently and may need to accept that we may have to continue by living within our means. It may mean a few socks staying on but we will have a football club to support every Saturday. On a more positive note, the signings that failed do indicate that the new people are keen to go for it this season. We can help with our full support for the team, manager and new board. COYMR Oxon-Red

9:25am Fri 1 Feb 13

Rebel_phish says...

the wizard wrote:
The repetition of the same question here is bewildering. The sale of Matt Ritchie.

Black was the owner, and wants to sell the club.

New owners found, negotiations take place. Sale agreed.

Due diligence reveals a "current account" cash shortfall that will see the club run out of money while the take over is taking place.

Discussions take place on how to bridge that gap. Neither side has "ready cash" at that point in time to put in. Sale of a player is discussed by old and new owners and reluctantly agreed.

Black as the out going owner sells Ritchie, as he is entitled to do. The funds come in almost immediately making the day to day running of the club possible by keeping it solvent.

Club sold, paperwork sent to FL for them to ratify new owners. Technically now the club is in flux and cannot buy new players until the new owners are approved.

Jed pays in money to fund loans etc believed to be around £3M

Signings made but as Jed-the-Red not approved the new players also cannot yet be approved but will be if he is, and that is how we could could sell but not buy or loan new players until ratification day.
Wiz, quite a consise explanation. Thats the way I see it. Quite simple and straight forward really.
[quote][p][bold]the wizard[/bold] wrote: The repetition of the same question here is bewildering. The sale of Matt Ritchie. Black was the owner, and wants to sell the club. New owners found, negotiations take place. Sale agreed. Due diligence reveals a "current account" cash shortfall that will see the club run out of money while the take over is taking place. Discussions take place on how to bridge that gap. Neither side has "ready cash" at that point in time to put in. Sale of a player is discussed by old and new owners and reluctantly agreed. Black as the out going owner sells Ritchie, as he is entitled to do. The funds come in almost immediately making the day to day running of the club possible by keeping it solvent. Club sold, paperwork sent to FL for them to ratify new owners. Technically now the club is in flux and cannot buy new players until the new owners are approved. Jed pays in money to fund loans etc believed to be around £3M Signings made but as Jed-the-Red not approved the new players also cannot yet be approved but will be if he is, and that is how we could could sell but not buy or loan new players until ratification day.[/p][/quote]Wiz, quite a consise explanation. Thats the way I see it. Quite simple and straight forward really. Rebel_phish

9:25am Fri 1 Feb 13

London Red says...

1950 - the ripped out kitchen was reflected in the price as it was reduced by £10m - via the liabilities being written off!
.
Terrier we may not actually be adding to the wage bill as we do not know what percentage we are paying of the new trio - we have seen from our own loaned out players sometimes this is very very low if any at all (we also saw that with Murrey last year)
.
So with Ritchie and Benson gone (2 big earners) and also Rooney going as part of the Pack deal we may break even or even reduce our wage bill
.
We are also not losing £100k a week - that is over £5m a year!!!!
.
We are apparently losing about £30k a week - which is in line with our average losses of £1.5m over the past few seasons
.
Thats why people are interested as that is easily made up by going up - £4m in TV money alone equates to £77k a week and that is before Gate Receipts, Sponsorship and merchandising is taken into account!
1950 - the ripped out kitchen was reflected in the price as it was reduced by £10m - via the liabilities being written off! . Terrier we may not actually be adding to the wage bill as we do not know what percentage we are paying of the new trio - we have seen from our own loaned out players sometimes this is very very low if any at all (we also saw that with Murrey last year) . So with Ritchie and Benson gone (2 big earners) and also Rooney going as part of the Pack deal we may break even or even reduce our wage bill . We are also not losing £100k a week - that is over £5m a year!!!! . We are apparently losing about £30k a week - which is in line with our average losses of £1.5m over the past few seasons . Thats why people are interested as that is easily made up by going up - £4m in TV money alone equates to £77k a week and that is before Gate Receipts, Sponsorship and merchandising is taken into account! London Red

9:25am Fri 1 Feb 13

EastleazeRed says...

Guv wrote:
Good morning, I come bearing some good ish news.

My info today is the Football legaue were indeed 100% right to halt us from doing any business yesterday, but the good news is that the C are now set to take over, but in true Swindon ways, the whole take over is a real mess!

But we should be able to get these players early next week and A at the moment is back away in that cupboard.

It's a real mess but further forward than it has been, so fingers crossed, this gets sorted and the football league will have no issues.

If you knew the truth you would indeed agree that no transfers took place!

At the moment, things are looking better, but it is Swindon Town. who knows.
F@$ k off down the A420 and shag ya sister ya mong !
[quote][p][bold]Guv[/bold] wrote: Good morning, I come bearing some good ish news. My info today is the Football legaue were indeed 100% right to halt us from doing any business yesterday, but the good news is that the C are now set to take over, but in true Swindon ways, the whole take over is a real mess! But we should be able to get these players early next week and A at the moment is back away in that cupboard. It's a real mess but further forward than it has been, so fingers crossed, this gets sorted and the football league will have no issues. If you knew the truth you would indeed agree that no transfers took place! At the moment, things are looking better, but it is Swindon Town. who knows.[/p][/quote]F@$ k off down the A420 and shag ya sister ya mong ! EastleazeRed

9:30am Fri 1 Feb 13

BorisIsTheSpider says...

Rebel_phish wrote:
the wizard wrote:
The repetition of the same question here is bewildering. The sale of Matt Ritchie.

Black was the owner, and wants to sell the club.

New owners found, negotiations take place. Sale agreed.

Due diligence reveals a "current account" cash shortfall that will see the club run out of money while the take over is taking place.

Discussions take place on how to bridge that gap. Neither side has "ready cash" at that point in time to put in. Sale of a player is discussed by old and new owners and reluctantly agreed.

Black as the out going owner sells Ritchie, as he is entitled to do. The funds come in almost immediately making the day to day running of the club possible by keeping it solvent.

Club sold, paperwork sent to FL for them to ratify new owners. Technically now the club is in flux and cannot buy new players until the new owners are approved.

Jed pays in money to fund loans etc believed to be around £3M

Signings made but as Jed-the-Red not approved the new players also cannot yet be approved but will be if he is, and that is how we could could sell but not buy or loan new players until ratification day.
Wiz, quite a consise explanation. Thats the way I see it. Quite simple and straight forward really.
You beat me to it Rebel. Spot on with the analysis, WIz. It will work out.
[quote][p][bold]Rebel_phish[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]the wizard[/bold] wrote: The repetition of the same question here is bewildering. The sale of Matt Ritchie. Black was the owner, and wants to sell the club. New owners found, negotiations take place. Sale agreed. Due diligence reveals a "current account" cash shortfall that will see the club run out of money while the take over is taking place. Discussions take place on how to bridge that gap. Neither side has "ready cash" at that point in time to put in. Sale of a player is discussed by old and new owners and reluctantly agreed. Black as the out going owner sells Ritchie, as he is entitled to do. The funds come in almost immediately making the day to day running of the club possible by keeping it solvent. Club sold, paperwork sent to FL for them to ratify new owners. Technically now the club is in flux and cannot buy new players until the new owners are approved. Jed pays in money to fund loans etc believed to be around £3M Signings made but as Jed-the-Red not approved the new players also cannot yet be approved but will be if he is, and that is how we could could sell but not buy or loan new players until ratification day.[/p][/quote]Wiz, quite a consise explanation. Thats the way I see it. Quite simple and straight forward really.[/p][/quote]You beat me to it Rebel. Spot on with the analysis, WIz. It will work out. BorisIsTheSpider

9:31am Fri 1 Feb 13

Pewsham Red says...

London Red wrote:
1950 - the ripped out kitchen was reflected in the price as it was reduced by £10m - via the liabilities being written off!
.
Terrier we may not actually be adding to the wage bill as we do not know what percentage we are paying of the new trio - we have seen from our own loaned out players sometimes this is very very low if any at all (we also saw that with Murrey last year)
.
So with Ritchie and Benson gone (2 big earners) and also Rooney going as part of the Pack deal we may break even or even reduce our wage bill
.
We are also not losing £100k a week - that is over £5m a year!!!!
.
We are apparently losing about £30k a week - which is in line with our average losses of £1.5m over the past few seasons
.
Thats why people are interested as that is easily made up by going up - £4m in TV money alone equates to £77k a week and that is before Gate Receipts, Sponsorship and merchandising is taken into account!
Higher wages, better players to be signed, bigger squad........
[quote][p][bold]London Red[/bold] wrote: 1950 - the ripped out kitchen was reflected in the price as it was reduced by £10m - via the liabilities being written off! . Terrier we may not actually be adding to the wage bill as we do not know what percentage we are paying of the new trio - we have seen from our own loaned out players sometimes this is very very low if any at all (we also saw that with Murrey last year) . So with Ritchie and Benson gone (2 big earners) and also Rooney going as part of the Pack deal we may break even or even reduce our wage bill . We are also not losing £100k a week - that is over £5m a year!!!! . We are apparently losing about £30k a week - which is in line with our average losses of £1.5m over the past few seasons . Thats why people are interested as that is easily made up by going up - £4m in TV money alone equates to £77k a week and that is before Gate Receipts, Sponsorship and merchandising is taken into account![/p][/quote]Higher wages, better players to be signed, bigger squad........ Pewsham Red

9:32am Fri 1 Feb 13

Another view says...

We can all guess and come up with our own take on events, and that after all is part and parcel of supporting a team.

The fact the club has signed a player of Bradley Wright-Phillip's standing - subject to approvals - suggests that they are not looking to drift along in the way that we have become used to.

We don't know yet how good the new owners will turn out to be, but their intentions look very positive. That's all we can judge them on as things stand.
We can all guess and come up with our own take on events, and that after all is part and parcel of supporting a team. The fact the club has signed a player of Bradley Wright-Phillip's standing - subject to approvals - suggests that they are not looking to drift along in the way that we have become used to. We don't know yet how good the new owners will turn out to be, but their intentions look very positive. That's all we can judge them on as things stand. Another view

9:33am Fri 1 Feb 13

dreamofacleansheet2 says...

Dear oh dear. Reasons to be cheerful:

1> We still have the Emperor leading us. (How I've no idea but this is the single most important thing).
2> We didn't sell anymore players we wanted to keep.
3> We didn't go into administration.
4> We are still third in the table.
5> We are unbeaten in 8 games.
6> We have the best defence, scored most goals and have the best goal difference in the league.
7> Even if we sign no one if we get lucky with injuries we still have a big chance of winning the league.
8> We've agreed the signing of 3 potentially excellent players to bolster our squad, including BWP who has scored a hat-full at this level.
9> Like others I've got Williams each way at 66-1 to be top goalscorer in the league.
10> Like Grim and others I still have a major chance on collecting on us for the title.
11> Like a player who doesn't want to play for the club, best the owner departs too.
12> Yesterday morning my instinct told me we were in real trouble and would lose players and the manager. Not 100% sure we are in the clear but has to be better than yesterday.
13> Point 1 We still have the Emperor.

Back to back to back promotions coming. Watching a managerial legend. Build a statue of him when he takes us into the Premiership.
Dear oh dear. Reasons to be cheerful: 1> We still have the Emperor leading us. (How I've no idea but this is the single most important thing). 2> We didn't sell anymore players we wanted to keep. 3> We didn't go into administration. 4> We are still third in the table. 5> We are unbeaten in 8 games. 6> We have the best defence, scored most goals and have the best goal difference in the league. 7> Even if we sign no one if we get lucky with injuries we still have a big chance of winning the league. 8> We've agreed the signing of 3 potentially excellent players to bolster our squad, including BWP who has scored a hat-full at this level. 9> Like others I've got Williams each way at 66-1 to be top goalscorer in the league. 10> Like Grim and others I still have a major chance on collecting on us for the title. 11> Like a player who doesn't want to play for the club, best the owner departs too. 12> Yesterday morning my instinct told me we were in real trouble and would lose players and the manager. Not 100% sure we are in the clear but has to be better than yesterday. 13> Point 1 We still have the Emperor. Back to back to back promotions coming. Watching a managerial legend. Build a statue of him when he takes us into the Premiership. dreamofacleansheet2

9:33am Fri 1 Feb 13

The Jockster says...

London Red wrote:
Jesus Christ - I thought we were bad at judging players before they have kicked a ball
.
It appears we are now worse about owners!
.
Lets wait and hear what they have to say before slagging them off
.
I was refused a creditcard once - does that mean I should be blacklisted forever!
LR I think the appropriate expression for some of us oldies is "one bitten twice shy" or rather twice bitten ala Brady & Diamond Mike!
[quote][p][bold]London Red[/bold] wrote: Jesus Christ - I thought we were bad at judging players before they have kicked a ball . It appears we are now worse about owners! . Lets wait and hear what they have to say before slagging them off . I was refused a creditcard once - does that mean I should be blacklisted forever![/p][/quote]LR I think the appropriate expression for some of us oldies is "one bitten twice shy" or rather twice bitten ala Brady & Diamond Mike! The Jockster

9:36am Fri 1 Feb 13

the don69 says...

What really concerns me chaps is what happens if the football league say,there not fit and proper?(not saying they aren't we just don't know)Blacks dumped us at almost all costs(losing about £10m)we will be totally Fcuked!not saying this will happen,but it's a huge concern to me,not too worried about loans all I want is the clubs future secured ASAP!!!!!!!!!!!!
What really concerns me chaps is what happens if the football league say,there not fit and proper?(not saying they aren't we just don't know)Blacks dumped us at almost all costs(losing about £10m)we will be totally Fcuked!not saying this will happen,but it's a huge concern to me,not too worried about loans all I want is the clubs future secured ASAP!!!!!!!!!!!! the don69

9:40am Fri 1 Feb 13

John Young's Grumpy says...

EastleazeRed wrote:
Guv wrote: Good morning, I come bearing some good ish news. My info today is the Football legaue were indeed 100% right to halt us from doing any business yesterday, but the good news is that the C are now set to take over, but in true Swindon ways, the whole take over is a real mess! But we should be able to get these players early next week and A at the moment is back away in that cupboard. It's a real mess but further forward than it has been, so fingers crossed, this gets sorted and the football league will have no issues. If you knew the truth you would indeed agree that no transfers took place! At the moment, things are looking better, but it is Swindon Town. who knows.
F@$ k off down the A420 and shag ya sister ya mong !
Guv, you were a persistent and irritating poster during the saga of the last few days. You contributed little in facts (none of what you said either came to be or proved factual) and only served to add fuel to the fire that was upsetting our already worried fans.

If you are a football fan and follower you would understand the love and passsion a fan has for his club. Your so called reporting / posting was, to be blunt, poor and unhelpful. You jsut added to the angst of many at that smaks of you being a number 1 s**t stirrer. Your post above typifies that.

By all means post or contribute. But do it honestly and be mindful of the feelings of others. Otherwise say nothing.
[quote][p][bold]EastleazeRed[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Guv[/bold] wrote: Good morning, I come bearing some good ish news. My info today is the Football legaue were indeed 100% right to halt us from doing any business yesterday, but the good news is that the C are now set to take over, but in true Swindon ways, the whole take over is a real mess! But we should be able to get these players early next week and A at the moment is back away in that cupboard. It's a real mess but further forward than it has been, so fingers crossed, this gets sorted and the football league will have no issues. If you knew the truth you would indeed agree that no transfers took place! At the moment, things are looking better, but it is Swindon Town. who knows.[/p][/quote]F@$ k off down the A420 and shag ya sister ya mong ![/p][/quote]Guv, you were a persistent and irritating poster during the saga of the last few days. You contributed little in facts (none of what you said either came to be or proved factual) and only served to add fuel to the fire that was upsetting our already worried fans. If you are a football fan and follower you would understand the love and passsion a fan has for his club. Your so called reporting / posting was, to be blunt, poor and unhelpful. You jsut added to the angst of many at that smaks of you being a number 1 s**t stirrer. Your post above typifies that. By all means post or contribute. But do it honestly and be mindful of the feelings of others. Otherwise say nothing. John Young's Grumpy

9:40am Fri 1 Feb 13

the don69 says...

EastleazeRed wrote:
Guv wrote:
Good morning, I come bearing some good ish news.

My info today is the Football legaue were indeed 100% right to halt us from doing any business yesterday, but the good news is that the C are now set to take over, but in true Swindon ways, the whole take over is a real mess!

But we should be able to get these players early next week and A at the moment is back away in that cupboard.

It's a real mess but further forward than it has been, so fingers crossed, this gets sorted and the football league will have no issues.

If you knew the truth you would indeed agree that no transfers took place!

At the moment, things are looking better, but it is Swindon Town. who knows.
F@$ k off down the A420 and shag ya sister ya mong !
Don't forget to take your medication I won't call you Guv,cause your just the local idiot,so take your pills and do one!!!!!!!
[quote][p][bold]EastleazeRed[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Guv[/bold] wrote: Good morning, I come bearing some good ish news. My info today is the Football legaue were indeed 100% right to halt us from doing any business yesterday, but the good news is that the C are now set to take over, but in true Swindon ways, the whole take over is a real mess! But we should be able to get these players early next week and A at the moment is back away in that cupboard. It's a real mess but further forward than it has been, so fingers crossed, this gets sorted and the football league will have no issues. If you knew the truth you would indeed agree that no transfers took place! At the moment, things are looking better, but it is Swindon Town. who knows.[/p][/quote]F@$ k off down the A420 and shag ya sister ya mong ![/p][/quote]Don't forget to take your medication I won't call you Guv,cause your just the local idiot,so take your pills and do one!!!!!!! the don69

9:43am Fri 1 Feb 13

SAPFanSTFC says...

Since 1950 wrote:
SAPFanSTFC wrote:
Since 1950 wrote: This new consortium haven't got off to a good start have they? Not sure the relationship between them and Paolo will ever be a good one now in any event. Why the hell did Black and McCrory keep PDC right out of the loop with the sale of Ritchie? Do they actually WANT him to walk away? What have they really gained in monitary terms for the sale anyway? Reported to be between £4 and £500k with a large proportion up front, not all. Lets guess at between £3&£400k. There is the sell on to Pompey at around £40k. So Town could come out of that sale with around £300k cash in hand. Give me a break. How can I believe that a consortium that say their aim is Championship football can't or wont put their hand on that sort of money to keep one of our best players at the CG and stop him falling into the hands of a promotion rival? This does not all add up so far to me. Why can't the F.L. rubber stamp the transfer of those 3 players? They are loan deals, not sales. If it went t*** up they could go back. Do the F.L. have some doubt about the take over already? Why no word yet from the McCrory bunch? Sorry, call me an old pessimist, I've been a Town Fan too long, but this isn't looking the 'real deal, to me. I just hope Paolo can keep the boys focused on Saturday. COYR!
Bit unfair to blame the new consortium - they've not even been officially installed as owners yet!? . ....and they did sanction and approve funding for PDC's forray into the loans market. . Think you're being very harsh on them and surprisingly downbeat on this one.
Hi SAP.

Maybe. However I'll stand by my comments on the sale of Ritchie and the fact that they kept Paolo out of the loop, and I do have a bad gut feeling about this take over. Smacks of panic to me.

COYR!
Lets hope it is smiles all round by next Friday! :-)
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Cheers and bring on the Creepies!!
[quote][p][bold]Since 1950[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SAPFanSTFC[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Since 1950[/bold] wrote: This new consortium haven't got off to a good start have they? Not sure the relationship between them and Paolo will ever be a good one now in any event. Why the hell did Black and McCrory keep PDC right out of the loop with the sale of Ritchie? Do they actually WANT him to walk away? What have they really gained in monitary terms for the sale anyway? Reported to be between £4 and £500k with a large proportion up front, not all. Lets guess at between £3&£400k. There is the sell on to Pompey at around £40k. So Town could come out of that sale with around £300k cash in hand. Give me a break. How can I believe that a consortium that say their aim is Championship football can't or wont put their hand on that sort of money to keep one of our best players at the CG and stop him falling into the hands of a promotion rival? This does not all add up so far to me. Why can't the F.L. rubber stamp the transfer of those 3 players? They are loan deals, not sales. If it went t*** up they could go back. Do the F.L. have some doubt about the take over already? Why no word yet from the McCrory bunch? Sorry, call me an old pessimist, I've been a Town Fan too long, but this isn't looking the 'real deal, to me. I just hope Paolo can keep the boys focused on Saturday. COYR![/p][/quote]Bit unfair to blame the new consortium - they've not even been officially installed as owners yet!? . ....and they did sanction and approve funding for PDC's forray into the loans market. . Think you're being very harsh on them and surprisingly downbeat on this one.[/p][/quote]Hi SAP. Maybe. However I'll stand by my comments on the sale of Ritchie and the fact that they kept Paolo out of the loop, and I do have a bad gut feeling about this take over. Smacks of panic to me. COYR![/p][/quote]Lets hope it is smiles all round by next Friday! :-) ---- Cheers and bring on the Creepies!! SAPFanSTFC

9:44am Fri 1 Feb 13

Stilloyal says...

Guv wrote:
Good morning, I come bearing some good ish news. My info today is the Football legaue were indeed 100% right to halt us from doing any business yesterday, but the good news is that the C are now set to take over, but in true Swindon ways, the whole take over is a real mess! But we should be able to get these players early next week and A at the moment is back away in that cupboard. It's a real mess but further forward than it has been, so fingers crossed, this gets sorted and the football league will have no issues. If you knew the truth you would indeed agree that no transfers took place! At the moment, things are looking better, but it is Swindon Town. who knows.
Yeah of course, who told you this , Matt ? The same person that told you Fodders was in talks with another club when in fact he was sat at home?. The same person that told you Paolo was in talks and about to take over at Villa?

You are at best just a wind up merchant or at worst a supporter of anyone but Swindon Town. Whatever you are you give me a giggle but sadly there are others on here that take your sh1t as gospel and get into a real mental state and are in danger of having nervous breakdowns or coronary events. But you won't care..
[quote][p][bold]Guv[/bold] wrote: Good morning, I come bearing some good ish news. My info today is the Football legaue were indeed 100% right to halt us from doing any business yesterday, but the good news is that the C are now set to take over, but in true Swindon ways, the whole take over is a real mess! But we should be able to get these players early next week and A at the moment is back away in that cupboard. It's a real mess but further forward than it has been, so fingers crossed, this gets sorted and the football league will have no issues. If you knew the truth you would indeed agree that no transfers took place! At the moment, things are looking better, but it is Swindon Town. who knows.[/p][/quote]Yeah of course, who told you this , Matt ? The same person that told you Fodders was in talks with another club when in fact he was sat at home?. The same person that told you Paolo was in talks and about to take over at Villa? You are at best just a wind up merchant or at worst a supporter of anyone but Swindon Town. Whatever you are you give me a giggle but sadly there are others on here that take your sh1t as gospel and get into a real mental state and are in danger of having nervous breakdowns or coronary events. But you won't care.. Stilloyal

9:47am Fri 1 Feb 13

Since 1950 says...

London Red wrote:
1950 - the ripped out kitchen was reflected in the price as it was reduced by £10m - via the liabilities being written off! . Terrier we may not actually be adding to the wage bill as we do not know what percentage we are paying of the new trio - we have seen from our own loaned out players sometimes this is very very low if any at all (we also saw that with Murrey last year) . So with Ritchie and Benson gone (2 big earners) and also Rooney going as part of the Pack deal we may break even or even reduce our wage bill . We are also not losing £100k a week - that is over £5m a year!!!! . We are apparently losing about £30k a week - which is in line with our average losses of £1.5m over the past few seasons . Thats why people are interested as that is easily made up by going up - £4m in TV money alone equates to £77k a week and that is before Gate Receipts, Sponsorship and merchandising is taken into account!
Hi London

The reply to your kitchen anology was 'tung in cheak'.

However, I refer to my earlier post on the Ritchie situation and the money we got for him.

If these new guys were serious about the championship, and a a gesture of intent and good will to the fans, surely they could have put their hands in their pockets for that kind of money up front for the reasons I stated.

It would have protected their investment any way as Ritchie would be worth 3 to 4 time what we got for him as a Championship player.
[quote][p][bold]London Red[/bold] wrote: 1950 - the ripped out kitchen was reflected in the price as it was reduced by £10m - via the liabilities being written off! . Terrier we may not actually be adding to the wage bill as we do not know what percentage we are paying of the new trio - we have seen from our own loaned out players sometimes this is very very low if any at all (we also saw that with Murrey last year) . So with Ritchie and Benson gone (2 big earners) and also Rooney going as part of the Pack deal we may break even or even reduce our wage bill . We are also not losing £100k a week - that is over £5m a year!!!! . We are apparently losing about £30k a week - which is in line with our average losses of £1.5m over the past few seasons . Thats why people are interested as that is easily made up by going up - £4m in TV money alone equates to £77k a week and that is before Gate Receipts, Sponsorship and merchandising is taken into account![/p][/quote]Hi London The reply to your kitchen anology was 'tung in cheak'. However, I refer to my earlier post on the Ritchie situation and the money we got for him. If these new guys were serious about the championship, and a a gesture of intent and good will to the fans, surely they could have put their hands in their pockets for that kind of money up front for the reasons I stated. It would have protected their investment any way as Ritchie would be worth 3 to 4 time what we got for him as a Championship player. Since 1950

9:47am Fri 1 Feb 13

Guv says...

Ok here is a fact for you, the new owners are borrowing money to complete our take over, they don't have anywhere near the deal, so the club is going back to the old days, debts! You want the truth, that's the hold up. Finance! We won't be a rich team, instead we will need to sell players every season to pay back the debt. The only thing I am not saying is the mess, who is lending the money, well if you would take a few seconds to listen I would talk more, but every post is an insult. I told you no players would come. The deal at the CG is mess, the rush from Mr B has left a very untidy take over, it's an odd deal, but you don't want to know? Ok then. Maybe some of you are thinking, actually, their is substance, you know, when you all settle down, I could actually inform you all a lot of detail, but Ill wait the raf of attacks.
Ok here is a fact for you, the new owners are borrowing money to complete our take over, they don't have anywhere near the deal, so the club is going back to the old days, debts! You want the truth, that's the hold up. Finance! We won't be a rich team, instead we will need to sell players every season to pay back the debt. The only thing I am not saying is the mess, who is lending the money, well if you would take a few seconds to listen I would talk more, but every post is an insult. I told you no players would come. The deal at the CG is mess, the rush from Mr B has left a very untidy take over, it's an odd deal, but you don't want to know? Ok then. Maybe some of you are thinking, actually, their is substance, you know, when you all settle down, I could actually inform you all a lot of detail, but Ill wait the raf of attacks. Guv

9:52am Fri 1 Feb 13

The Jockster says...

Wilesy wrote:
Hopefully the consortium, whoever they may be, will have learnt from the failed Luton attempt and will not be trying the same trick twice.

They must be aware of why that failed and have changed tactics accordingly for the Swindon attempt.

They must have put in a bit of money too if we are after the three players in question, although in reality we are simply replacing Ritchie with Green, Hollands with Pack, and Benson with BWP. Wages of L Rooney also off the books with the Pack switch. Presumably Martin will now return to Norwich, although maybe not after the attempt to get Madine in failed. So if it had all come off it may have been 5 out 4 it's not like we have gone spending crazy.
Wilesy they won't have put in any money yet and doubtless those three loans were probably going to funded by Ritchie's sale? Ala Paolo making the best if a bad job?
[quote][p][bold]Wilesy[/bold] wrote: Hopefully the consortium, whoever they may be, will have learnt from the failed Luton attempt and will not be trying the same trick twice. They must be aware of why that failed and have changed tactics accordingly for the Swindon attempt. They must have put in a bit of money too if we are after the three players in question, although in reality we are simply replacing Ritchie with Green, Hollands with Pack, and Benson with BWP. Wages of L Rooney also off the books with the Pack switch. Presumably Martin will now return to Norwich, although maybe not after the attempt to get Madine in failed. So if it had all come off it may have been 5 out 4 it's not like we have gone spending crazy.[/p][/quote]Wilesy they won't have put in any money yet and doubtless those three loans were probably going to funded by Ritchie's sale? Ala Paolo making the best if a bad job? The Jockster

9:55am Fri 1 Feb 13

SAPFanSTFC says...

Oxon-Red wrote:
the wizard wrote:
I do think we need to calm down over the new owners. They are not in place yet until the FL has sanctioned them as OK, so why all the name calling when it does nothing to further their cause. Without them we are dead, buried and gone. As for Black we do not know his private circumstances, and he was obviously under pressure to sell, his club, his money, his choice. The best way forward is to support the manager and team until all the admin, by the club, the new and old owners and the FL is done and dusted. The players must feel shell shocked and bewildered, and the last thing they need is to see all the infighting and bickering here and elsewhere, its time for us to support them both on and off the field. Obviously too, our manager must be under terrific pressure and yet he has chosen to keep his own council and has kept a low profile while all this has been going on, continuing to do his job through a time of adversity and very efficiently with three players yesterday, yet that has hardly got a mention here. Time for folk to lighten up, appreciate what people are trying to do to save this club and at the same time push it forward. They ALL get my vote.
Good post Wiz.

I think some are being a little impatient and need to take a deep breath. No surprise here that the transfers have not been sanctioned as we are, as I said yesterday, in limbo until the take over has been ratified.

All talk of funds should be forgotten for the time being. If they are not mega rich but have the funds to see us through to the end of the season that should be enough. We can assess the situation then and set budgets according to our pockets.

We have been spoilt recently and may need to accept that we may have to continue by living within our means. It may mean a few socks staying on but we will have a football club to support every Saturday.

On a more positive note, the signings that failed do indicate that the new people are keen to go for it this season. We can help with our full support for the team, manager and new board.

COYMR
There are definitely two camps here and I'm in the 'Optimists' camp....you have to be an optimist to be a true Town fan!
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The Pessimist may well be proved right in the end but the Optimist has by far the better journey!!
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...I'd prefer to smile while I'm walking and before I see the bog rather than being miserable and worrying about meteorite strikes, tidal waves, bombs and then finding I'm stood in a bog!
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:-) Happy Days folks!!!
[quote][p][bold]Oxon-Red[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]the wizard[/bold] wrote: I do think we need to calm down over the new owners. They are not in place yet until the FL has sanctioned them as OK, so why all the name calling when it does nothing to further their cause. Without them we are dead, buried and gone. As for Black we do not know his private circumstances, and he was obviously under pressure to sell, his club, his money, his choice. The best way forward is to support the manager and team until all the admin, by the club, the new and old owners and the FL is done and dusted. The players must feel shell shocked and bewildered, and the last thing they need is to see all the infighting and bickering here and elsewhere, its time for us to support them both on and off the field. Obviously too, our manager must be under terrific pressure and yet he has chosen to keep his own council and has kept a low profile while all this has been going on, continuing to do his job through a time of adversity and very efficiently with three players yesterday, yet that has hardly got a mention here. Time for folk to lighten up, appreciate what people are trying to do to save this club and at the same time push it forward. They ALL get my vote.[/p][/quote]Good post Wiz. I think some are being a little impatient and need to take a deep breath. No surprise here that the transfers have not been sanctioned as we are, as I said yesterday, in limbo until the take over has been ratified. All talk of funds should be forgotten for the time being. If they are not mega rich but have the funds to see us through to the end of the season that should be enough. We can assess the situation then and set budgets according to our pockets. We have been spoilt recently and may need to accept that we may have to continue by living within our means. It may mean a few socks staying on but we will have a football club to support every Saturday. On a more positive note, the signings that failed do indicate that the new people are keen to go for it this season. We can help with our full support for the team, manager and new board. COYMR[/p][/quote]There are definitely two camps here and I'm in the 'Optimists' camp....you have to be an optimist to be a true Town fan! :-) ---- The Pessimist may well be proved right in the end but the Optimist has by far the better journey!! ---- ...I'd prefer to smile while I'm walking and before I see the bog rather than being miserable and worrying about meteorite strikes, tidal waves, bombs and then finding I'm stood in a bog! ---- :-) Happy Days folks!!! SAPFanSTFC

9:55am Fri 1 Feb 13

Davethered says...

Well I for one was really looking forward to seeing BWP in a swindon shirt tomorrow afternoon , but as I've been told so many times before by older people and now telling my own children , if it's good it's worth waiting for. I think the team can manage for another week without the new additions.Hope it makes them stick together and be much stronger , tomorrow we'll smash the mighty creepie crawleys and the future will look a lot brighter. Chin up boy's and girl's , all's not lost we still have a team and a loyal manager , who has not walked away from swindon.
COME ON YOU REDS
Well I for one was really looking forward to seeing BWP in a swindon shirt tomorrow afternoon , but as I've been told so many times before by older people and now telling my own children , if it's good it's worth waiting for. I think the team can manage for another week without the new additions.Hope it makes them stick together and be much stronger , tomorrow we'll smash the mighty creepie crawleys and the future will look a lot brighter. Chin up boy's and girl's , all's not lost we still have a team and a loyal manager , who has not walked away from swindon. COME ON YOU REDS Davethered

9:56am Fri 1 Feb 13

LeGod says...

So Guv - no one has heard of you before your making it up as you go along and no doubt a Pox fan.

Just F**k O** back to your little grovel at Blackbird Leys.

Moron.
So Guv - no one has heard of you before your making it up as you go along and no doubt a Pox fan. Just F**k O** back to your little grovel at Blackbird Leys. Moron. LeGod

9:58am Fri 1 Feb 13

Oxon-Red says...

the don69 wrote:
What really concerns me chaps is what happens if the football league say,there not fit and proper?(not saying they aren't we just don't know)Blacks dumped us at almost all costs(losing about £10m)we will be totally Fcuked!not saying this will happen,but it's a huge concern to me,not too worried about loans all I want is the clubs future secured ASAP!!!!!!!!!!!!
It is a concern but reports from the board in recent weeks have mentioned due diligence tests on all bidders. Hopefully they have down their job.

The sale of Ritchie, although painful, will have bought us time for the worst case and give us a bit of breathing space should the search for new owners have to start again.

Not much we can do except wait for the FL to give their verdict.

COYMR
[quote][p][bold]the don69[/bold] wrote: What really concerns me chaps is what happens if the football league say,there not fit and proper?(not saying they aren't we just don't know)Blacks dumped us at almost all costs(losing about £10m)we will be totally Fcuked!not saying this will happen,but it's a huge concern to me,not too worried about loans all I want is the clubs future secured ASAP!!!!!!!!!!!![/p][/quote]It is a concern but reports from the board in recent weeks have mentioned due diligence tests on all bidders. Hopefully they have down their job. The sale of Ritchie, although painful, will have bought us time for the worst case and give us a bit of breathing space should the search for new owners have to start again. Not much we can do except wait for the FL to give their verdict. COYMR Oxon-Red

10:02am Fri 1 Feb 13

Stilloyal says...

Guv wrote:
Ok here is a fact for you, the new owners are borrowing money to complete our take over, they don't have anywhere near the deal, so the club is going back to the old days, debts! You want the truth, that's the hold up. Finance! We won't be a rich team, instead we will need to sell players every season to pay back the debt. The only thing I am not saying is the mess, who is lending the money, well if you would take a few seconds to listen I would talk more, but every post is an insult. I told you no players would come. The deal at the CG is mess, the rush from Mr B has left a very untidy take over, it's an odd deal, but you don't want to know? Ok then. Maybe some of you are thinking, actually, their is substance, you know, when you all settle down, I could actually inform you all a lot of detail, but Ill wait the raf of attacks.
The hold up is the same as it would be at any other club and as been at Swindon in the past.
There is no problem and nothing to worry about. Sensible people reading your drivel will not believe a word you print , but of course there are those of a nervous disposition , they are the ones you target.
TOWN FANS PLEASE IGNORE THIS PERSONS **** WIND-UPS.
[quote][p][bold]Guv[/bold] wrote: Ok here is a fact for you, the new owners are borrowing money to complete our take over, they don't have anywhere near the deal, so the club is going back to the old days, debts! You want the truth, that's the hold up. Finance! We won't be a rich team, instead we will need to sell players every season to pay back the debt. The only thing I am not saying is the mess, who is lending the money, well if you would take a few seconds to listen I would talk more, but every post is an insult. I told you no players would come. The deal at the CG is mess, the rush from Mr B has left a very untidy take over, it's an odd deal, but you don't want to know? Ok then. Maybe some of you are thinking, actually, their is substance, you know, when you all settle down, I could actually inform you all a lot of detail, but Ill wait the raf of attacks.[/p][/quote]The hold up is the same as it would be at any other club and as been at Swindon in the past. There is no problem and nothing to worry about. Sensible people reading your drivel will not believe a word you print , but of course there are those of a nervous disposition , they are the ones you target. TOWN FANS PLEASE IGNORE THIS PERSONS **** WIND-UPS. Stilloyal

10:04am Fri 1 Feb 13

Stratton Red says...

jayden wrote:
The Jockster wrote: I'm more worried that Jed Clampett and his hillbilly consortium are just that - Mickey Mouse and haven't got a pot to urinate in & the FL wouldn't let them take over Luton. As regards to finances it's déjà vu for me ala Wills & co. until Jed's country bumpkins demonstrate otherwise. The positives to take from this are that Paolo is still here and we've only lost Ritchie from the playing squad who whilst at times was mercurial isn't irreplaceable.
Morning Jock i agree with you on this i have a bad feeling about this.PDC has shown great calmness in all this not what i was expecting at all.If i were him i would have walked away yesterday but he seemed happy that all the staff would get paid this month and that they all still had jobs.
Why would PDC walk away? The reality is we've lost one player, what would have happened if he was inured? Coward is not a word I would associate with PDC and only cowards walk away when the going gets a little tough and he's got the minerals to see it through...
*
PDC knows he's is in a win-win situation. Get promoted in all this turmoil and he's enhanced his reputation even further, no promotion and he's a get out of jail card free, sold my best player no new signings etc...
*
Let's show a bit of calm, the emergency window opens in a week and hopefully by then the three signings will be lined up. It's a shame we're not at home Saturday as it would be great to really get behind the boys and Paolo in a real show of support...
[quote][p][bold]jayden[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The Jockster[/bold] wrote: I'm more worried that Jed Clampett and his hillbilly consortium are just that - Mickey Mouse and haven't got a pot to urinate in & the FL wouldn't let them take over Luton. As regards to finances it's déjà vu for me ala Wills & co. until Jed's country bumpkins demonstrate otherwise. The positives to take from this are that Paolo is still here and we've only lost Ritchie from the playing squad who whilst at times was mercurial isn't irreplaceable.[/p][/quote]Morning Jock i agree with you on this i have a bad feeling about this.PDC has shown great calmness in all this not what i was expecting at all.If i were him i would have walked away yesterday but he seemed happy that all the staff would get paid this month and that they all still had jobs.[/p][/quote]Why would PDC walk away? The reality is we've lost one player, what would have happened if he was inured? Coward is not a word I would associate with PDC and only cowards walk away when the going gets a little tough and he's got the minerals to see it through... * PDC knows he's is in a win-win situation. Get promoted in all this turmoil and he's enhanced his reputation even further, no promotion and he's a get out of jail card free, sold my best player no new signings etc... * Let's show a bit of calm, the emergency window opens in a week and hopefully by then the three signings will be lined up. It's a shame we're not at home Saturday as it would be great to really get behind the boys and Paolo in a real show of support... Stratton Red

10:07am Fri 1 Feb 13

madterrier says...

LR - yeah, my bad maths, or more likely my bad typing while half asleep. I was working back from operating losses of £1.2 million a year and somehow typed 'week' instead of 'month'.

It still all seems strange though, and the sooner we know more about the new consortium and any debt write-offs, the better.

I know some clubs pay the wages of players they are loaning out to smaller clubs, but I doubt very much if Cheltenham or Charlton have much money or are big enough clubs to pay the wages instead of us. But the proportions could be anything between 0 and 100% of course.

We're going to have to let it go as Ritchie is gone, but the true cost to Andrew Black of keeping the club going for one more month would be the club's losses, not the wage bill, in a month. So he has saved £100k, against which the club has 'lost' value from Ritchie of between £300,000-800,000 depending on which stories and figures you believe. It's a shame no-one was able to find a way of bridging that gap as it has cost the club dear.
LR - yeah, my bad maths, or more likely my bad typing while half asleep. I was working back from operating losses of £1.2 million a year and somehow typed 'week' instead of 'month'. It still all seems strange though, and the sooner we know more about the new consortium and any debt write-offs, the better. I know some clubs pay the wages of players they are loaning out to smaller clubs, but I doubt very much if Cheltenham or Charlton have much money or are big enough clubs to pay the wages instead of us. But the proportions could be anything between 0 and 100% of course. We're going to have to let it go as Ritchie is gone, but the true cost to Andrew Black of keeping the club going for one more month would be the club's losses, not the wage bill, in a month. So he has saved £100k, against which the club has 'lost' value from Ritchie of between £300,000-800,000 depending on which stories and figures you believe. It's a shame no-one was able to find a way of bridging that gap as it has cost the club dear. madterrier

10:08am Fri 1 Feb 13

rockdog says...

If Paolo is calm, so am I. Anyway its back to bed for me and when I get up next it will all be sorted and we will have got automatic promotion. Night-night.
If Paolo is calm, so am I. Anyway its back to bed for me and when I get up next it will all be sorted and we will have got automatic promotion. Night-night. rockdog

10:13am Fri 1 Feb 13

Pewsham Red says...

Guv wrote:
Ok here is a fact for you, the new owners are borrowing money to complete our take over, they don't have anywhere near the deal, so the club is going back to the old days, debts! You want the truth, that's the hold up. Finance! We won't be a rich team, instead we will need to sell players every season to pay back the debt. The only thing I am not saying is the mess, who is lending the money, well if you would take a few seconds to listen I would talk more, but every post is an insult. I told you no players would come. The deal at the CG is mess, the rush from Mr B has left a very untidy take over, it's an odd deal, but you don't want to know? Ok then. Maybe some of you are thinking, actually, their is substance, you know, when you all settle down, I could actually inform you all a lot of detail, but Ill wait the raf of attacks.
For crying out loud. You're like a crossed between Lord Haw Haw (for the older members) and The Riddler!

You change your story with every post, most of what you have said has been total crap and you seem to enjoy being malicious.

As another poster has said, contribute by all means and if you are a real fan, then great, but this is all wearing a bit thin now.
[quote][p][bold]Guv[/bold] wrote: Ok here is a fact for you, the new owners are borrowing money to complete our take over, they don't have anywhere near the deal, so the club is going back to the old days, debts! You want the truth, that's the hold up. Finance! We won't be a rich team, instead we will need to sell players every season to pay back the debt. The only thing I am not saying is the mess, who is lending the money, well if you would take a few seconds to listen I would talk more, but every post is an insult. I told you no players would come. The deal at the CG is mess, the rush from Mr B has left a very untidy take over, it's an odd deal, but you don't want to know? Ok then. Maybe some of you are thinking, actually, their is substance, you know, when you all settle down, I could actually inform you all a lot of detail, but Ill wait the raf of attacks.[/p][/quote]For crying out loud. You're like a crossed between Lord Haw Haw (for the older members) and The Riddler! You change your story with every post, most of what you have said has been total crap and you seem to enjoy being malicious. As another poster has said, contribute by all means and if you are a real fan, then great, but this is all wearing a bit thin now. Pewsham Red

10:15am Fri 1 Feb 13

Oldhamred says...

Guv wrote:
Ok here is a fact for you, the new owners are borrowing money to complete our take over, they don't have anywhere near the deal, so the club is going back to the old days, debts! You want the truth, that's the hold up. Finance! We won't be a rich team, instead we will need to sell players every season to pay back the debt. The only thing I am not saying is the mess, who is lending the money, well if you would take a few seconds to listen I would talk more, but every post is an insult. I told you no players would come. The deal at the CG is mess, the rush from Mr B has left a very untidy take over, it's an odd deal, but you don't want to know? Ok then. Maybe some of you are thinking, actually, their is substance, you know, when you all settle down, I could actually inform you all a lot of detail, but Ill wait the raf of attacks.
I think we should all give Guv the benefit of the doubt on this as he clearly knows what he is talking about.
He is clearly well informed by somebody at STFC as he even knows that this consortium are the same people that tried to buy Luton, something that nobody else has been able to establish.
WHAT A LOAD OF **** YOU SPOUT GUV...COMPLETE KN0B
[quote][p][bold]Guv[/bold] wrote: Ok here is a fact for you, the new owners are borrowing money to complete our take over, they don't have anywhere near the deal, so the club is going back to the old days, debts! You want the truth, that's the hold up. Finance! We won't be a rich team, instead we will need to sell players every season to pay back the debt. The only thing I am not saying is the mess, who is lending the money, well if you would take a few seconds to listen I would talk more, but every post is an insult. I told you no players would come. The deal at the CG is mess, the rush from Mr B has left a very untidy take over, it's an odd deal, but you don't want to know? Ok then. Maybe some of you are thinking, actually, their is substance, you know, when you all settle down, I could actually inform you all a lot of detail, but Ill wait the raf of attacks.[/p][/quote]I think we should all give Guv the benefit of the doubt on this as he clearly knows what he is talking about. He is clearly well informed by somebody at STFC as he even knows that this consortium are the same people that tried to buy Luton, something that nobody else has been able to establish. WHAT A LOAD OF **** YOU SPOUT GUV...COMPLETE KN0B Oldhamred

10:16am Fri 1 Feb 13

Stickshaker says...

Really disappointed about Ritchie's sale....but just watched the video on Bradley Wright-Phillips performances and must say with a bit of fitness coaching and Paolo's guidance....what a replacement BWP will be!
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#loads to look forward too!
Really disappointed about Ritchie's sale....but just watched the video on Bradley Wright-Phillips performances and must say with a bit of fitness coaching and Paolo's guidance....what a replacement BWP will be! . #loads to look forward too! Stickshaker

10:17am Fri 1 Feb 13

jayden says...

Stratton Red wrote:
jayden wrote:
The Jockster wrote: I'm more worried that Jed Clampett and his hillbilly consortium are just that - Mickey Mouse and haven't got a pot to urinate in & the FL wouldn't let them take over Luton. As regards to finances it's déjà vu for me ala Wills & co. until Jed's country bumpkins demonstrate otherwise. The positives to take from this are that Paolo is still here and we've only lost Ritchie from the playing squad who whilst at times was mercurial isn't irreplaceable.
Morning Jock i agree with you on this i have a bad feeling about this.PDC has shown great calmness in all this not what i was expecting at all.If i were him i would have walked away yesterday but he seemed happy that all the staff would get paid this month and that they all still had jobs.
Why would PDC walk away? The reality is we've lost one player, what would have happened if he was inured? Coward is not a word I would associate with PDC and only cowards walk away when the going gets a little tough and he's got the minerals to see it through...
*
PDC knows he's is in a win-win situation. Get promoted in all this turmoil and he's enhanced his reputation even further, no promotion and he's a get out of jail card free, sold my best player no new signings etc...
*
Let's show a bit of calm, the emergency window opens in a week and hopefully by then the three signings will be lined up. It's a shame we're not at home Saturday as it would be great to really get behind the boys and Paolo in a real show of support...
Please read what i posted again i think you will find you just half looked at the post.
[quote][p][bold]Stratton Red[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]jayden[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The Jockster[/bold] wrote: I'm more worried that Jed Clampett and his hillbilly consortium are just that - Mickey Mouse and haven't got a pot to urinate in & the FL wouldn't let them take over Luton. As regards to finances it's déjà vu for me ala Wills & co. until Jed's country bumpkins demonstrate otherwise. The positives to take from this are that Paolo is still here and we've only lost Ritchie from the playing squad who whilst at times was mercurial isn't irreplaceable.[/p][/quote]Morning Jock i agree with you on this i have a bad feeling about this.PDC has shown great calmness in all this not what i was expecting at all.If i were him i would have walked away yesterday but he seemed happy that all the staff would get paid this month and that they all still had jobs.[/p][/quote]Why would PDC walk away? The reality is we've lost one player, what would have happened if he was inured? Coward is not a word I would associate with PDC and only cowards walk away when the going gets a little tough and he's got the minerals to see it through... * PDC knows he's is in a win-win situation. Get promoted in all this turmoil and he's enhanced his reputation even further, no promotion and he's a get out of jail card free, sold my best player no new signings etc... * Let's show a bit of calm, the emergency window opens in a week and hopefully by then the three signings will be lined up. It's a shame we're not at home Saturday as it would be great to really get behind the boys and Paolo in a real show of support...[/p][/quote]Please read what i posted again i think you will find you just half looked at the post. jayden

10:21am Fri 1 Feb 13

jayden says...

I see oxford have a new goalkeeper .Luke McCormick ,good luck with that one.
I see oxford have a new goalkeeper .Luke McCormick ,good luck with that one. jayden

10:22am Fri 1 Feb 13

swwindon61uk says...

Since 1950 wrote:
The Jockster wrote:
London Red wrote: I guessing the new owners are not saying anything as they are not yet the owners - thus the sale of Ritchie and the blocked loans . Would rather they stay silent until its done than a BEST Holdings style media oveoad whic turned out to be nothing . JM is allowed to sit on the board of both clubs for the remainder of the season as we can not meet in any competition - but must severe ties wit Banbury in the summer . He is due to speak to Banbury fans (tonight I believe - its on the take over page) so anyone local may want to pop along to see what he has to say . Here's a thought how about the Adver also pop along to get some info??? . Like others what we really need to know is why AB pulled the plug now? . I get he wanted out no issue with that - but why agree a loss only to back out halfway through the year . All actions have gone against earlier comments so could the truth actually come out now?
LR surely AB pulled the plug because he was not prepared to dip his hand in his pocket anymore, although I agree it would have been good if he'd just got us over the transfer window and gone as soon as the takeover was ratified by the FL. 2012 if you want to know why I'm sceptical then read 1950's latest post saves me relating the same points. Like him I smell a potential rat but the silence from the new kids on the block is deafening. OK until the FL have given the nod they are not strictly the owners and don't expect them to stump up cash for an asset/liability they don't own, but you'd think that they would've objected to the sale of Ritchie as some kind of declaration of intent to the fans that they were really interested in taking the club forward. So I don't see my original post as any kind of knee jerk reaction more one of caveat emptor. Final thought why all the cloak & dagger stuff about who the Famous Five are or aren't? Until I see positive answers to some of these questions I'll keep the rosy specs firmly in their case!
Jockster.

You can add to my post, as I was reminded and didn't include it, that I understand this consortium failed in their bid to take over at Luton. Eau de Rodant!
Is it exactly the same people in this consortium that failed at Luton Town or are some of the personal different?
[quote][p][bold]Since 1950[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The Jockster[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]London Red[/bold] wrote: I guessing the new owners are not saying anything as they are not yet the owners - thus the sale of Ritchie and the blocked loans . Would rather they stay silent until its done than a BEST Holdings style media oveoad whic turned out to be nothing . JM is allowed to sit on the board of both clubs for the remainder of the season as we can not meet in any competition - but must severe ties wit Banbury in the summer . He is due to speak to Banbury fans (tonight I believe - its on the take over page) so anyone local may want to pop along to see what he has to say . Here's a thought how about the Adver also pop along to get some info??? . Like others what we really need to know is why AB pulled the plug now? . I get he wanted out no issue with that - but why agree a loss only to back out halfway through the year . All actions have gone against earlier comments so could the truth actually come out now?[/p][/quote]LR surely AB pulled the plug because he was not prepared to dip his hand in his pocket anymore, although I agree it would have been good if he'd just got us over the transfer window and gone as soon as the takeover was ratified by the FL. 2012 if you want to know why I'm sceptical then read 1950's latest post saves me relating the same points. Like him I smell a potential rat but the silence from the new kids on the block is deafening. OK until the FL have given the nod they are not strictly the owners and don't expect them to stump up cash for an asset/liability they don't own, but you'd think that they would've objected to the sale of Ritchie as some kind of declaration of intent to the fans that they were really interested in taking the club forward. So I don't see my original post as any kind of knee jerk reaction more one of caveat emptor. Final thought why all the cloak & dagger stuff about who the Famous Five are or aren't? Until I see positive answers to some of these questions I'll keep the rosy specs firmly in their case![/p][/quote]Jockster. You can add to my post, as I was reminded and didn't include it, that I understand this consortium failed in their bid to take over at Luton. Eau de Rodant![/p][/quote]Is it exactly the same people in this consortium that failed at Luton Town or are some of the personal different? swwindon61uk

10:22am Fri 1 Feb 13

SAPFanSTFC says...

Pewsham Red wrote:
Guv wrote:
Ok here is a fact for you, the new owners are borrowing money to complete our take over, they don't have anywhere near the deal, so the club is going back to the old days, debts! You want the truth, that's the hold up. Finance! We won't be a rich team, instead we will need to sell players every season to pay back the debt. The only thing I am not saying is the mess, who is lending the money, well if you would take a few seconds to listen I would talk more, but every post is an insult. I told you no players would come. The deal at the CG is mess, the rush from Mr B has left a very untidy take over, it's an odd deal, but you don't want to know? Ok then. Maybe some of you are thinking, actually, their is substance, you know, when you all settle down, I could actually inform you all a lot of detail, but Ill wait the raf of attacks.
For crying out loud. You're like a crossed between Lord Haw Haw (for the older members) and The Riddler!

You change your story with every post, most of what you have said has been total crap and you seem to enjoy being malicious.

As another poster has said, contribute by all means and if you are a real fan, then great, but this is all wearing a bit thin now.
Hasn't explained any of the excuses for being SO wrong on EVERYTHING yesterday...
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The only explanation outside of being a Pox is that they're typing a load of dour and malicious material as they are a bitter and twisted ex-member of staff.
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As a town fan - even if you were in the know you wouldn't be posting all of this as
1) you've broken confidentiality with your source
or
2) if you didn't care about the above then you wouldn't write such drivvel in this nasty sh1t-stirring manner!
---
Crawl back into your hole!!
[quote][p][bold]Pewsham Red[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Guv[/bold] wrote: Ok here is a fact for you, the new owners are borrowing money to complete our take over, they don't have anywhere near the deal, so the club is going back to the old days, debts! You want the truth, that's the hold up. Finance! We won't be a rich team, instead we will need to sell players every season to pay back the debt. The only thing I am not saying is the mess, who is lending the money, well if you would take a few seconds to listen I would talk more, but every post is an insult. I told you no players would come. The deal at the CG is mess, the rush from Mr B has left a very untidy take over, it's an odd deal, but you don't want to know? Ok then. Maybe some of you are thinking, actually, their is substance, you know, when you all settle down, I could actually inform you all a lot of detail, but Ill wait the raf of attacks.[/p][/quote]For crying out loud. You're like a crossed between Lord Haw Haw (for the older members) and The Riddler! You change your story with every post, most of what you have said has been total crap and you seem to enjoy being malicious. As another poster has said, contribute by all means and if you are a real fan, then great, but this is all wearing a bit thin now.[/p][/quote]Hasn't explained any of the excuses for being SO wrong on EVERYTHING yesterday... . The only explanation outside of being a Pox is that they're typing a load of dour and malicious material as they are a bitter and twisted ex-member of staff. . As a town fan - even if you were in the know you wouldn't be posting all of this as 1) you've broken confidentiality with your source or 2) if you didn't care about the above then you wouldn't write such drivvel in this nasty sh1t-stirring manner! --- Crawl back into your hole!! SAPFanSTFC

10:25am Fri 1 Feb 13

Oxon-Red says...

SAPFanSTFC wrote:
Oxon-Red wrote:
the wizard wrote: I do think we need to calm down over the new owners. They are not in place yet until the FL has sanctioned them as OK, so why all the name calling when it does nothing to further their cause. Without them we are dead, buried and gone. As for Black we do not know his private circumstances, and he was obviously under pressure to sell, his club, his money, his choice. The best way forward is to support the manager and team until all the admin, by the club, the new and old owners and the FL is done and dusted. The players must feel shell shocked and bewildered, and the last thing they need is to see all the infighting and bickering here and elsewhere, its time for us to support them both on and off the field. Obviously too, our manager must be under terrific pressure and yet he has chosen to keep his own council and has kept a low profile while all this has been going on, continuing to do his job through a time of adversity and very efficiently with three players yesterday, yet that has hardly got a mention here. Time for folk to lighten up, appreciate what people are trying to do to save this club and at the same time push it forward. They ALL get my vote.
Good post Wiz. I think some are being a little impatient and need to take a deep breath. No surprise here that the transfers have not been sanctioned as we are, as I said yesterday, in limbo until the take over has been ratified. All talk of funds should be forgotten for the time being. If they are not mega rich but have the funds to see us through to the end of the season that should be enough. We can assess the situation then and set budgets according to our pockets. We have been spoilt recently and may need to accept that we may have to continue by living within our means. It may mean a few socks staying on but we will have a football club to support every Saturday. On a more positive note, the signings that failed do indicate that the new people are keen to go for it this season. We can help with our full support for the team, manager and new board. COYMR
There are definitely two camps here and I'm in the 'Optimists' camp....you have to be an optimist to be a true Town fan! :-) ---- The Pessimist may well be proved right in the end but the Optimist has by far the better journey!! ---- ...I'd prefer to smile while I'm walking and before I see the bog rather than being miserable and worrying about meteorite strikes, tidal waves, bombs and then finding I'm stood in a bog! ---- :-) Happy Days folks!!!
I'm optimistic and believe the take-over will go through.

I also believe we have a real chance of gaining promotion this season.

Finding backers with the clout of Arbib and Black is unlikely, unless they are foreign, and I would prefer to err on the side of caution until we know more.

COYMR
[quote][p][bold]SAPFanSTFC[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Oxon-Red[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]the wizard[/bold] wrote: I do think we need to calm down over the new owners. They are not in place yet until the FL has sanctioned them as OK, so why all the name calling when it does nothing to further their cause. Without them we are dead, buried and gone. As for Black we do not know his private circumstances, and he was obviously under pressure to sell, his club, his money, his choice. The best way forward is to support the manager and team until all the admin, by the club, the new and old owners and the FL is done and dusted. The players must feel shell shocked and bewildered, and the last thing they need is to see all the infighting and bickering here and elsewhere, its time for us to support them both on and off the field. Obviously too, our manager must be under terrific pressure and yet he has chosen to keep his own council and has kept a low profile while all this has been going on, continuing to do his job through a time of adversity and very efficiently with three players yesterday, yet that has hardly got a mention here. Time for folk to lighten up, appreciate what people are trying to do to save this club and at the same time push it forward. They ALL get my vote.[/p][/quote]Good post Wiz. I think some are being a little impatient and need to take a deep breath. No surprise here that the transfers have not been sanctioned as we are, as I said yesterday, in limbo until the take over has been ratified. All talk of funds should be forgotten for the time being. If they are not mega rich but have the funds to see us through to the end of the season that should be enough. We can assess the situation then and set budgets according to our pockets. We have been spoilt recently and may need to accept that we may have to continue by living within our means. It may mean a few socks staying on but we will have a football club to support every Saturday. On a more positive note, the signings that failed do indicate that the new people are keen to go for it this season. We can help with our full support for the team, manager and new board. COYMR[/p][/quote]There are definitely two camps here and I'm in the 'Optimists' camp....you have to be an optimist to be a true Town fan! :-) ---- The Pessimist may well be proved right in the end but the Optimist has by far the better journey!! ---- ...I'd prefer to smile while I'm walking and before I see the bog rather than being miserable and worrying about meteorite strikes, tidal waves, bombs and then finding I'm stood in a bog! ---- :-) Happy Days folks!!![/p][/quote]I'm optimistic and believe the take-over will go through. I also believe we have a real chance of gaining promotion this season. Finding backers with the clout of Arbib and Black is unlikely, unless they are foreign, and I would prefer to err on the side of caution until we know more. COYMR Oxon-Red

10:26am Fri 1 Feb 13

swwindon61uk says...

the wizard wrote:
The repetition of the same question here is bewildering. The sale of Matt Ritchie.

Black was the owner, and wants to sell the club.

New owners found, negotiations take place. Sale agreed.

Due diligence reveals a "current account" cash shortfall that will see the club run out of money while the take over is taking place.

Discussions take place on how to bridge that gap. Neither side has "ready cash" at that point in time to put in. Sale of a player is discussed by old and new owners and reluctantly agreed.

Black as the out going owner sells Ritchie, as he is entitled to do. The funds come in almost immediately making the day to day running of the club possible by keeping it solvent.

Club sold, paperwork sent to FL for them to ratify new owners. Technically now the club is in flux and cannot buy new players until the new owners are approved.

Jed pays in money to fund loans etc believed to be around £3M

Signings made but as Jed-the-Red not approved the new players also cannot yet be approved but will be if he is, and that is how we could could sell but not buy or loan new players until ratification day.
Great post Wizzard.
[quote][p][bold]the wizard[/bold] wrote: The repetition of the same question here is bewildering. The sale of Matt Ritchie. Black was the owner, and wants to sell the club. New owners found, negotiations take place. Sale agreed. Due diligence reveals a "current account" cash shortfall that will see the club run out of money while the take over is taking place. Discussions take place on how to bridge that gap. Neither side has "ready cash" at that point in time to put in. Sale of a player is discussed by old and new owners and reluctantly agreed. Black as the out going owner sells Ritchie, as he is entitled to do. The funds come in almost immediately making the day to day running of the club possible by keeping it solvent. Club sold, paperwork sent to FL for them to ratify new owners. Technically now the club is in flux and cannot buy new players until the new owners are approved. Jed pays in money to fund loans etc believed to be around £3M Signings made but as Jed-the-Red not approved the new players also cannot yet be approved but will be if he is, and that is how we could could sell but not buy or loan new players until ratification day.[/p][/quote]Great post Wizzard. swwindon61uk

10:26am Fri 1 Feb 13

dreamofacleansheet2 says...

Cheltenham reporting Pack remains their player and Rooney not joining them.

What I still don't understand is why didn't Black sell Ritchie for over a £1million quid on January 1st? Then tell everyone he had to sell.

Just can't get my head around it at all.
Cheltenham reporting Pack remains their player and Rooney not joining them. What I still don't understand is why didn't Black sell Ritchie for over a £1million quid on January 1st? Then tell everyone he had to sell. Just can't get my head around it at all. dreamofacleansheet2

10:26am Fri 1 Feb 13

old town robin says...

What's happened to patey, is he now out the loop along with the rest of the board
What's happened to patey, is he now out the loop along with the rest of the board old town robin

10:33am Fri 1 Feb 13

SAPFanSTFC says...

Oxon-Red wrote:
SAPFanSTFC wrote:
Oxon-Red wrote:
the wizard wrote: I do think we need to calm down over the new owners. They are not in place yet until the FL has sanctioned them as OK, so why all the name calling when it does nothing to further their cause. Without them we are dead, buried and gone. As for Black we do not know his private circumstances, and he was obviously under pressure to sell, his club, his money, his choice. The best way forward is to support the manager and team until all the admin, by the club, the new and old owners and the FL is done and dusted. The players must feel shell shocked and bewildered, and the last thing they need is to see all the infighting and bickering here and elsewhere, its time for us to support them both on and off the field. Obviously too, our manager must be under terrific pressure and yet he has chosen to keep his own council and has kept a low profile while all this has been going on, continuing to do his job through a time of adversity and very efficiently with three players yesterday, yet that has hardly got a mention here. Time for folk to lighten up, appreciate what people are trying to do to save this club and at the same time push it forward. They ALL get my vote.
Good post Wiz. I think some are being a little impatient and need to take a deep breath. No surprise here that the transfers have not been sanctioned as we are, as I said yesterday, in limbo until the take over has been ratified. All talk of funds should be forgotten for the time being. If they are not mega rich but have the funds to see us through to the end of the season that should be enough. We can assess the situation then and set budgets according to our pockets. We have been spoilt recently and may need to accept that we may have to continue by living within our means. It may mean a few socks staying on but we will have a football club to support every Saturday. On a more positive note, the signings that failed do indicate that the new people are keen to go for it this season. We can help with our full support for the team, manager and new board. COYMR
There are definitely two camps here and I'm in the 'Optimists' camp....you have to be an optimist to be a true Town fan! :-) ---- The Pessimist may well be proved right in the end but the Optimist has by far the better journey!! ---- ...I'd prefer to smile while I'm walking and before I see the bog rather than being miserable and worrying about meteorite strikes, tidal waves, bombs and then finding I'm stood in a bog! ---- :-) Happy Days folks!!!
I'm optimistic and believe the take-over will go through.

I also believe we have a real chance of gaining promotion this season.

Finding backers with the clout of Arbib and Black is unlikely, unless they are foreign, and I would prefer to err on the side of caution until we know more.

COYMR
Yep agreed
.
I don't think anyone believes they are the answer to all our prayers and have a bottomless pit but you'd hope that due diligence underlines the fact that they do have enough to fund a football club.
...
The football league can't allow any more disasters like Portsmouth.
---
I'll be glad when it gets back out onto the pitch tomorrow.
[quote][p][bold]Oxon-Red[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SAPFanSTFC[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Oxon-Red[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]the wizard[/bold] wrote: I do think we need to calm down over the new owners. They are not in place yet until the FL has sanctioned them as OK, so why all the name calling when it does nothing to further their cause. Without them we are dead, buried and gone. As for Black we do not know his private circumstances, and he was obviously under pressure to sell, his club, his money, his choice. The best way forward is to support the manager and team until all the admin, by the club, the new and old owners and the FL is done and dusted. The players must feel shell shocked and bewildered, and the last thing they need is to see all the infighting and bickering here and elsewhere, its time for us to support them both on and off the field. Obviously too, our manager must be under terrific pressure and yet he has chosen to keep his own council and has kept a low profile while all this has been going on, continuing to do his job through a time of adversity and very efficiently with three players yesterday, yet that has hardly got a mention here. Time for folk to lighten up, appreciate what people are trying to do to save this club and at the same time push it forward. They ALL get my vote.[/p][/quote]Good post Wiz. I think some are being a little impatient and need to take a deep breath. No surprise here that the transfers have not been sanctioned as we are, as I said yesterday, in limbo until the take over has been ratified. All talk of funds should be forgotten for the time being. If they are not mega rich but have the funds to see us through to the end of the season that should be enough. We can assess the situation then and set budgets according to our pockets. We have been spoilt recently and may need to accept that we may have to continue by living within our means. It may mean a few socks staying on but we will have a football club to support every Saturday. On a more positive note, the signings that failed do indicate that the new people are keen to go for it this season. We can help with our full support for the team, manager and new board. COYMR[/p][/quote]There are definitely two camps here and I'm in the 'Optimists' camp....you have to be an optimist to be a true Town fan! :-) ---- The Pessimist may well be proved right in the end but the Optimist has by far the better journey!! ---- ...I'd prefer to smile while I'm walking and before I see the bog rather than being miserable and worrying about meteorite strikes, tidal waves, bombs and then finding I'm stood in a bog! ---- :-) Happy Days folks!!![/p][/quote]I'm optimistic and believe the take-over will go through. I also believe we have a real chance of gaining promotion this season. Finding backers with the clout of Arbib and Black is unlikely, unless they are foreign, and I would prefer to err on the side of caution until we know more. COYMR[/p][/quote]Yep agreed . I don't think anyone believes they are the answer to all our prayers and have a bottomless pit but you'd hope that due diligence underlines the fact that they do have enough to fund a football club. ... The football league can't allow any more disasters like Portsmouth. --- I'll be glad when it gets back out onto the pitch tomorrow. SAPFanSTFC

10:39am Fri 1 Feb 13

Pewsham Red says...

The silence is deafening and the lack of explanation or comment from the club is leading to speculation, not helped by clowns like Guv.

A short statement from SOMEONE would help allay any fears, or confirm we have something to be fearful about.
The silence is deafening and the lack of explanation or comment from the club is leading to speculation, not helped by clowns like Guv. A short statement from SOMEONE would help allay any fears, or confirm we have something to be fearful about. Pewsham Red

10:42am Fri 1 Feb 13

swwindon61uk says...

dreamofacleansheet2 wrote:
Cheltenham reporting Pack remains their player and Rooney not joining them.

What I still don't understand is why didn't Black sell Ritchie for over a £1million quid on January 1st? Then tell everyone he had to sell.

Just can't get my head around it at all.
Because he was not worth a £1m IMO
Bournemouth were the only club to make an offer.
[quote][p][bold]dreamofacleansheet2[/bold] wrote: Cheltenham reporting Pack remains their player and Rooney not joining them. What I still don't understand is why didn't Black sell Ritchie for over a £1million quid on January 1st? Then tell everyone he had to sell. Just can't get my head around it at all.[/p][/quote]Because he was not worth a £1m IMO Bournemouth were the only club to make an offer. swwindon61uk

10:46am Fri 1 Feb 13

SAPFanSTFC says...

swwindon61uk wrote:
dreamofacleansheet2 wrote:
Cheltenham reporting Pack remains their player and Rooney not joining them.

What I still don't understand is why didn't Black sell Ritchie for over a £1million quid on January 1st? Then tell everyone he had to sell.

Just can't get my head around it at all.
Because he was not worth a £1m IMO
Bournemouth were the only club to make an offer.
Plus whatever we would have got would have been staged payments again like last time - this way they get £400,000 in cash and up front.
----
Had they mentioned a cash deal at any time then Bournemouth would have smelt a rat and lowered their bid regardless.
[quote][p][bold]swwindon61uk[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]dreamofacleansheet2[/bold] wrote: Cheltenham reporting Pack remains their player and Rooney not joining them. What I still don't understand is why didn't Black sell Ritchie for over a £1million quid on January 1st? Then tell everyone he had to sell. Just can't get my head around it at all.[/p][/quote]Because he was not worth a £1m IMO Bournemouth were the only club to make an offer.[/p][/quote]Plus whatever we would have got would have been staged payments again like last time - this way they get £400,000 in cash and up front. ---- Had they mentioned a cash deal at any time then Bournemouth would have smelt a rat and lowered their bid regardless. SAPFanSTFC

10:47am Fri 1 Feb 13

The Jockster says...

swwindon61uk wrote:
Since 1950 wrote:
The Jockster wrote:
London Red wrote: I guessing the new owners are not saying anything as they are not yet the owners - thus the sale of Ritchie and the blocked loans . Would rather they stay silent until its done than a BEST Holdings style media oveoad whic turned out to be nothing . JM is allowed to sit on the board of both clubs for the remainder of the season as we can not meet in any competition - but must severe ties wit Banbury in the summer . He is due to speak to Banbury fans (tonight I believe - its on the take over page) so anyone local may want to pop along to see what he has to say . Here's a thought how about the Adver also pop along to get some info??? . Like others what we really need to know is why AB pulled the plug now? . I get he wanted out no issue with that - but why agree a loss only to back out halfway through the year . All actions have gone against earlier comments so could the truth actually come out now?
LR surely AB pulled the plug because he was not prepared to dip his hand in his pocket anymore, although I agree it would have been good if he'd just got us over the transfer window and gone as soon as the takeover was ratified by the FL. 2012 if you want to know why I'm sceptical then read 1950's latest post saves me relating the same points. Like him I smell a potential rat but the silence from the new kids on the block is deafening. OK until the FL have given the nod they are not strictly the owners and don't expect them to stump up cash for an asset/liability they don't own, but you'd think that they would've objected to the sale of Ritchie as some kind of declaration of intent to the fans that they were really interested in taking the club forward. So I don't see my original post as any kind of knee jerk reaction more one of caveat emptor. Final thought why all the cloak & dagger stuff about who the Famous Five are or aren't? Until I see positive answers to some of these questions I'll keep the rosy specs firmly in their case!
Jockster.

You can add to my post, as I was reminded and didn't include it, that I understand this consortium failed in their bid to take over at Luton. Eau de Rodant!
Is it exactly the same people in this consortium that failed at Luton Town or are some of the personal different?
How does anyone know? Nobody knows who the famous five are and for certain I dont know who comprised the unsuccessful Luton bid the only common denominator being Jed McCrory!
[quote][p][bold]swwindon61uk[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Since 1950[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The Jockster[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]London Red[/bold] wrote: I guessing the new owners are not saying anything as they are not yet the owners - thus the sale of Ritchie and the blocked loans . Would rather they stay silent until its done than a BEST Holdings style media oveoad whic turned out to be nothing . JM is allowed to sit on the board of both clubs for the remainder of the season as we can not meet in any competition - but must severe ties wit Banbury in the summer . He is due to speak to Banbury fans (tonight I believe - its on the take over page) so anyone local may want to pop along to see what he has to say . Here's a thought how about the Adver also pop along to get some info??? . Like others what we really need to know is why AB pulled the plug now? . I get he wanted out no issue with that - but why agree a loss only to back out halfway through the year . All actions have gone against earlier comments so could the truth actually come out now?[/p][/quote]LR surely AB pulled the plug because he was not prepared to dip his hand in his pocket anymore, although I agree it would have been good if he'd just got us over the transfer window and gone as soon as the takeover was ratified by the FL. 2012 if you want to know why I'm sceptical then read 1950's latest post saves me relating the same points. Like him I smell a potential rat but the silence from the new kids on the block is deafening. OK until the FL have given the nod they are not strictly the owners and don't expect them to stump up cash for an asset/liability they don't own, but you'd think that they would've objected to the sale of Ritchie as some kind of declaration of intent to the fans that they were really interested in taking the club forward. So I don't see my original post as any kind of knee jerk reaction more one of caveat emptor. Final thought why all the cloak & dagger stuff about who the Famous Five are or aren't? Until I see positive answers to some of these questions I'll keep the rosy specs firmly in their case![/p][/quote]Jockster. You can add to my post, as I was reminded and didn't include it, that I understand this consortium failed in their bid to take over at Luton. Eau de Rodant![/p][/quote]Is it exactly the same people in this consortium that failed at Luton Town or are some of the personal different?[/p][/quote]How does anyone know? Nobody knows who the famous five are and for certain I dont know who comprised the unsuccessful Luton bid the only common denominator being Jed McCrory! The Jockster

10:48am Fri 1 Feb 13

dreamofacleansheet2 says...

They offered 900k in August. Take a £1 million in stage payments and add those payments with a discount onto purchase price.

Fire selling anything is madness, complete madness. An has got desperate. Let's hope not to desperate.
They offered 900k in August. Take a £1 million in stage payments and add those payments with a discount onto purchase price. Fire selling anything is madness, complete madness. An has got desperate. Let's hope not to desperate. dreamofacleansheet2

10:56am Fri 1 Feb 13

swwindon61uk says...

If it is just a case of clearance and we can then get these players i will be happy.
If it is just a case of clearance and we can then get these players i will be happy. swwindon61uk

10:59am Fri 1 Feb 13

swwindon61uk says...

Again just trying to be a little positive,does not re-signing Martin mean we are fairly confident of getting BW-P?
If not Williams and Collins it is for the rest of season!
Again just trying to be a little positive,does not re-signing Martin mean we are fairly confident of getting BW-P? If not Williams and Collins it is for the rest of season! swwindon61uk

11:00am Fri 1 Feb 13

jam1 says...

Did anyone at the club think to check with the football league that we could sign players. Just seems a bit ridiculous that we spent all day trying to get players in only to be told at the 11th hour that we couldn't
Did anyone at the club think to check with the football league that we could sign players. Just seems a bit ridiculous that we spent all day trying to get players in only to be told at the 11th hour that we couldn't jam1

11:00am Fri 1 Feb 13

Med Red says...

Buck-up Adver, why don't you get on the case and -

A) find out how long before the FL decide if the take over can go ahead

B) is there a plan B, other than Administration, if the FL don't give the go ahead? Has that ex-diplomat, negotiating-guru Chairman of ours lined up another bidder, in case this bid goes tits-up??

Stop tweeting, pick up the phone and try and get some answers .... please!”
Buck-up Adver, why don't you get on the case and - A) find out how long before the FL decide if the take over can go ahead B) is there a plan B, other than Administration, if the FL don't give the go ahead? Has that ex-diplomat, negotiating-guru Chairman of ours lined up another bidder, in case this bid goes tits-up?? Stop tweeting, pick up the phone and try and get some answers .... please!” Med Red

11:10am Fri 1 Feb 13

Since 1950 says...

The Jockster wrote:
swwindon61uk wrote:
Since 1950 wrote:
The Jockster wrote:
London Red wrote: I guessing the new owners are not saying anything as they are not yet the owners - thus the sale of Ritchie and the blocked loans . Would rather they stay silent until its done than a BEST Holdings style media oveoad whic turned out to be nothing . JM is allowed to sit on the board of both clubs for the remainder of the season as we can not meet in any competition - but must severe ties wit Banbury in the summer . He is due to speak to Banbury fans (tonight I believe - its on the take over page) so anyone local may want to pop along to see what he has to say . Here's a thought how about the Adver also pop along to get some info??? . Like others what we really need to know is why AB pulled the plug now? . I get he wanted out no issue with that - but why agree a loss only to back out halfway through the year . All actions have gone against earlier comments so could the truth actually come out now?
LR surely AB pulled the plug because he was not prepared to dip his hand in his pocket anymore, although I agree it would have been good if he'd just got us over the transfer window and gone as soon as the takeover was ratified by the FL. 2012 if you want to know why I'm sceptical then read 1950's latest post saves me relating the same points. Like him I smell a potential rat but the silence from the new kids on the block is deafening. OK until the FL have given the nod they are not strictly the owners and don't expect them to stump up cash for an asset/liability they don't own, but you'd think that they would've objected to the sale of Ritchie as some kind of declaration of intent to the fans that they were really interested in taking the club forward. So I don't see my original post as any kind of knee jerk reaction more one of caveat emptor. Final thought why all the cloak & dagger stuff about who the Famous Five are or aren't? Until I see positive answers to some of these questions I'll keep the rosy specs firmly in their case!
Jockster. You can add to my post, as I was reminded and didn't include it, that I understand this consortium failed in their bid to take over at Luton. Eau de Rodant!
Is it exactly the same people in this consortium that failed at Luton Town or are some of the personal different?
How does anyone know? Nobody knows who the famous five are and for certain I dont know who comprised the unsuccessful Luton bid the only common denominator being Jed McCrory!
Yeah, and he's the only one in this consortium we know about at the moment.

That is enough to set the alarm bells ringing for me, and the F.L. apparently.
[quote][p][bold]The Jockster[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]swwindon61uk[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Since 1950[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The Jockster[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]London Red[/bold] wrote: I guessing the new owners are not saying anything as they are not yet the owners - thus the sale of Ritchie and the blocked loans . Would rather they stay silent until its done than a BEST Holdings style media oveoad whic turned out to be nothing . JM is allowed to sit on the board of both clubs for the remainder of the season as we can not meet in any competition - but must severe ties wit Banbury in the summer . He is due to speak to Banbury fans (tonight I believe - its on the take over page) so anyone local may want to pop along to see what he has to say . Here's a thought how about the Adver also pop along to get some info??? . Like others what we really need to know is why AB pulled the plug now? . I get he wanted out no issue with that - but why agree a loss only to back out halfway through the year . All actions have gone against earlier comments so could the truth actually come out now?[/p][/quote]LR surely AB pulled the plug because he was not prepared to dip his hand in his pocket anymore, although I agree it would have been good if he'd just got us over the transfer window and gone as soon as the takeover was ratified by the FL. 2012 if you want to know why I'm sceptical then read 1950's latest post saves me relating the same points. Like him I smell a potential rat but the silence from the new kids on the block is deafening. OK until the FL have given the nod they are not strictly the owners and don't expect them to stump up cash for an asset/liability they don't own, but you'd think that they would've objected to the sale of Ritchie as some kind of declaration of intent to the fans that they were really interested in taking the club forward. So I don't see my original post as any kind of knee jerk reaction more one of caveat emptor. Final thought why all the cloak & dagger stuff about who the Famous Five are or aren't? Until I see positive answers to some of these questions I'll keep the rosy specs firmly in their case![/p][/quote]Jockster. You can add to my post, as I was reminded and didn't include it, that I understand this consortium failed in their bid to take over at Luton. Eau de Rodant![/p][/quote]Is it exactly the same people in this consortium that failed at Luton Town or are some of the personal different?[/p][/quote]How does anyone know? Nobody knows who the famous five are and for certain I dont know who comprised the unsuccessful Luton bid the only common denominator being Jed McCrory![/p][/quote]Yeah, and he's the only one in this consortium we know about at the moment. That is enough to set the alarm bells ringing for me, and the F.L. apparently. Since 1950

11:11am Fri 1 Feb 13

Oi Den! says...

I think anyone who reckons this is just a case of waiting for rubber-stamping might be in for a rude awakening. This whole business is very smelly. And before slagging off the Football League, consider for a moment that these precautions are not just formalities, they are there to protect us as nuch as anything else. This new consortium might be coming in with bags of legitimate funding, or they might be something else entirely. Until we know their status for sure, I am very glad that the Football League are doing their duty in protecting us and the game in general. Who wants to be happy for a few days and then find that we have no club left? That might be an extreme scenario but it's not completely impossible. As to the question "why are we allowed to sell but not buy?", I would have thought the answer is obvious.
I think anyone who reckons this is just a case of waiting for rubber-stamping might be in for a rude awakening. This whole business is very smelly. And before slagging off the Football League, consider for a moment that these precautions are not just formalities, they are there to protect us as nuch as anything else. This new consortium might be coming in with bags of legitimate funding, or they might be something else entirely. Until we know their status for sure, I am very glad that the Football League are doing their duty in protecting us and the game in general. Who wants to be happy for a few days and then find that we have no club left? That might be an extreme scenario but it's not completely impossible. As to the question "why are we allowed to sell but not buy?", I would have thought the answer is obvious. Oi Den!

11:20am Fri 1 Feb 13

Pewsham Red says...

Oi Den! wrote:
I think anyone who reckons this is just a case of waiting for rubber-stamping might be in for a rude awakening. This whole business is very smelly. And before slagging off the Football League, consider for a moment that these precautions are not just formalities, they are there to protect us as nuch as anything else. This new consortium might be coming in with bags of legitimate funding, or they might be something else entirely. Until we know their status for sure, I am very glad that the Football League are doing their duty in protecting us and the game in general. Who wants to be happy for a few days and then find that we have no club left? That might be an extreme scenario but it's not completely impossible. As to the question "why are we allowed to sell but not buy?", I would have thought the answer is obvious.
Don't you start Den! It's bad enough with Guv on here.

You may well be right and I suspect most of us have a little unease about all this, after all, it is Swindon.

Best bet is to wait and see but the lack of comment from the club is not helping.
[quote][p][bold]Oi Den![/bold] wrote: I think anyone who reckons this is just a case of waiting for rubber-stamping might be in for a rude awakening. This whole business is very smelly. And before slagging off the Football League, consider for a moment that these precautions are not just formalities, they are there to protect us as nuch as anything else. This new consortium might be coming in with bags of legitimate funding, or they might be something else entirely. Until we know their status for sure, I am very glad that the Football League are doing their duty in protecting us and the game in general. Who wants to be happy for a few days and then find that we have no club left? That might be an extreme scenario but it's not completely impossible. As to the question "why are we allowed to sell but not buy?", I would have thought the answer is obvious.[/p][/quote]Don't you start Den! It's bad enough with Guv on here. You may well be right and I suspect most of us have a little unease about all this, after all, it is Swindon. Best bet is to wait and see but the lack of comment from the club is not helping. Pewsham Red

11:21am Fri 1 Feb 13

Stratton Red says...

jayden wrote:
Stratton Red wrote:
jayden wrote:
The Jockster wrote: I'm more worried that Jed Clampett and his hillbilly consortium are just that - Mickey Mouse and haven't got a pot to urinate in & the FL wouldn't let them take over Luton. As regards to finances it's déjà vu for me ala Wills & co. until Jed's country bumpkins demonstrate otherwise. The positives to take from this are that Paolo is still here and we've only lost Ritchie from the playing squad who whilst at times was mercurial isn't irreplaceable.
Morning Jock i agree with you on this i have a bad feeling about this.PDC has shown great calmness in all this not what i was expecting at all.If i were him i would have walked away yesterday but he seemed happy that all the staff would get paid this month and that they all still had jobs.
Why would PDC walk away? The reality is we've lost one player, what would have happened if he was inured? Coward is not a word I would associate with PDC and only cowards walk away when the going gets a little tough and he's got the minerals to see it through... * PDC knows he's is in a win-win situation. Get promoted in all this turmoil and he's enhanced his reputation even further, no promotion and he's a get out of jail card free, sold my best player no new signings etc... * Let's show a bit of calm, the emergency window opens in a week and hopefully by then the three signings will be lined up. It's a shame we're not at home Saturday as it would be great to really get behind the boys and Paolo in a real show of support...
Please read what i posted again i think you will find you just half looked at the post.
re-read. "If I were him I would have walked away", quite clear and was responding to this - why would he...
[quote][p][bold]jayden[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Stratton Red[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]jayden[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The Jockster[/bold] wrote: I'm more worried that Jed Clampett and his hillbilly consortium are just that - Mickey Mouse and haven't got a pot to urinate in & the FL wouldn't let them take over Luton. As regards to finances it's déjà vu for me ala Wills & co. until Jed's country bumpkins demonstrate otherwise. The positives to take from this are that Paolo is still here and we've only lost Ritchie from the playing squad who whilst at times was mercurial isn't irreplaceable.[/p][/quote]Morning Jock i agree with you on this i have a bad feeling about this.PDC has shown great calmness in all this not what i was expecting at all.If i were him i would have walked away yesterday but he seemed happy that all the staff would get paid this month and that they all still had jobs.[/p][/quote]Why would PDC walk away? The reality is we've lost one player, what would have happened if he was inured? Coward is not a word I would associate with PDC and only cowards walk away when the going gets a little tough and he's got the minerals to see it through... * PDC knows he's is in a win-win situation. Get promoted in all this turmoil and he's enhanced his reputation even further, no promotion and he's a get out of jail card free, sold my best player no new signings etc... * Let's show a bit of calm, the emergency window opens in a week and hopefully by then the three signings will be lined up. It's a shame we're not at home Saturday as it would be great to really get behind the boys and Paolo in a real show of support...[/p][/quote]Please read what i posted again i think you will find you just half looked at the post.[/p][/quote]re-read. "If I were him I would have walked away", quite clear and was responding to this - why would he... Stratton Red

11:23am Fri 1 Feb 13

madterrier says...

Oi Den! wrote:
I think anyone who reckons this is just a case of waiting for rubber-stamping might be in for a rude awakening. This whole business is very smelly. And before slagging off the Football League, consider for a moment that these precautions are not just formalities, they are there to protect us as nuch as anything else. This new consortium might be coming in with bags of legitimate funding, or they might be something else entirely. Until we know their status for sure, I am very glad that the Football League are doing their duty in protecting us and the game in general. Who wants to be happy for a few days and then find that we have no club left? That might be an extreme scenario but it's not completely impossible. As to the question "why are we allowed to sell but not buy?", I would have thought the answer is obvious.
Absolutely right Den. For sure, the biggest thing we have to worry about is the takeover and whether it will go ahead - not the sale of Ritchie, or what he was really worth, or new loan signings.

If everything proves to be fine then I'm confident that the three loan deals can still go through in the emergency loan window. If the takeover is not approved by the Football League, then we have far greater problems ahead.
[quote][p][bold]Oi Den![/bold] wrote: I think anyone who reckons this is just a case of waiting for rubber-stamping might be in for a rude awakening. This whole business is very smelly. And before slagging off the Football League, consider for a moment that these precautions are not just formalities, they are there to protect us as nuch as anything else. This new consortium might be coming in with bags of legitimate funding, or they might be something else entirely. Until we know their status for sure, I am very glad that the Football League are doing their duty in protecting us and the game in general. Who wants to be happy for a few days and then find that we have no club left? That might be an extreme scenario but it's not completely impossible. As to the question "why are we allowed to sell but not buy?", I would have thought the answer is obvious.[/p][/quote]Absolutely right Den. For sure, the biggest thing we have to worry about is the takeover and whether it will go ahead - not the sale of Ritchie, or what he was really worth, or new loan signings. If everything proves to be fine then I'm confident that the three loan deals can still go through in the emergency loan window. If the takeover is not approved by the Football League, then we have far greater problems ahead. madterrier

11:57am Fri 1 Feb 13

who am i says...

Guv wrote:
Good morning, I come bearing some good ish news. My info today is the Football legaue were indeed 100% right to halt us from doing any business yesterday, but the good news is that the C are now set to take over, but in true Swindon ways, the whole take over is a real mess! But we should be able to get these players early next week and A at the moment is back away in that cupboard. It's a real mess but further forward than it has been, so fingers crossed, this gets sorted and the football league will have no issues. If you knew the truth you would indeed agree that no transfers took place! At the moment, things are looking better, but it is Swindon Town. who knows.
One word flock off
[quote][p][bold]Guv[/bold] wrote: Good morning, I come bearing some good ish news. My info today is the Football legaue were indeed 100% right to halt us from doing any business yesterday, but the good news is that the C are now set to take over, but in true Swindon ways, the whole take over is a real mess! But we should be able to get these players early next week and A at the moment is back away in that cupboard. It's a real mess but further forward than it has been, so fingers crossed, this gets sorted and the football league will have no issues. If you knew the truth you would indeed agree that no transfers took place! At the moment, things are looking better, but it is Swindon Town. who knows.[/p][/quote]One word flock off who am i

12:02pm Fri 1 Feb 13

Always red says...

old town robin wrote:
What's happened to patey, is he now out the loop along with the rest of the board
Hopefully back in Afghanistan being looked after by the Taliban.The man was meant to be a diplomat he did nothing for this club no info no charisma just a bad attitude ..good riddance I say.
[quote][p][bold]old town robin[/bold] wrote: What's happened to patey, is he now out the loop along with the rest of the board[/p][/quote]Hopefully back in Afghanistan being looked after by the Taliban.The man was meant to be a diplomat he did nothing for this club no info no charisma just a bad attitude ..good riddance I say. Always red

12:05pm Fri 1 Feb 13

jayden says...

Stratton Red wrote:
jayden wrote:
Stratton Red wrote:
jayden wrote:
The Jockster wrote: I'm more worried that Jed Clampett and his hillbilly consortium are just that - Mickey Mouse and haven't got a pot to urinate in & the FL wouldn't let them take over Luton. As regards to finances it's déjà vu for me ala Wills & co. until Jed's country bumpkins demonstrate otherwise. The positives to take from this are that Paolo is still here and we've only lost Ritchie from the playing squad who whilst at times was mercurial isn't irreplaceable.
Morning Jock i agree with you on this i have a bad feeling about this.PDC has shown great calmness in all this not what i was expecting at all.If i were him i would have walked away yesterday but he seemed happy that all the staff would get paid this month and that they all still had jobs.
Why would PDC walk away? The reality is we've lost one player, what would have happened if he was inured? Coward is not a word I would associate with PDC and only cowards walk away when the going gets a little tough and he's got the minerals to see it through... * PDC knows he's is in a win-win situation. Get promoted in all this turmoil and he's enhanced his reputation even further, no promotion and he's a get out of jail card free, sold my best player no new signings etc... * Let's show a bit of calm, the emergency window opens in a week and hopefully by then the three signings will be lined up. It's a shame we're not at home Saturday as it would be great to really get behind the boys and Paolo in a real show of support...
Please read what i posted again i think you will find you just half looked at the post.
re-read. "If I were him I would have walked away", quite clear and was responding to this - why would he...
players sold behind his back for one i could go on but cant be botherd .
[quote][p][bold]Stratton Red[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]jayden[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Stratton Red[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]jayden[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The Jockster[/bold] wrote: I'm more worried that Jed Clampett and his hillbilly consortium are just that - Mickey Mouse and haven't got a pot to urinate in & the FL wouldn't let them take over Luton. As regards to finances it's déjà vu for me ala Wills & co. until Jed's country bumpkins demonstrate otherwise. The positives to take from this are that Paolo is still here and we've only lost Ritchie from the playing squad who whilst at times was mercurial isn't irreplaceable.[/p][/quote]Morning Jock i agree with you on this i have a bad feeling about this.PDC has shown great calmness in all this not what i was expecting at all.If i were him i would have walked away yesterday but he seemed happy that all the staff would get paid this month and that they all still had jobs.[/p][/quote]Why would PDC walk away? The reality is we've lost one player, what would have happened if he was inured? Coward is not a word I would associate with PDC and only cowards walk away when the going gets a little tough and he's got the minerals to see it through... * PDC knows he's is in a win-win situation. Get promoted in all this turmoil and he's enhanced his reputation even further, no promotion and he's a get out of jail card free, sold my best player no new signings etc... * Let's show a bit of calm, the emergency window opens in a week and hopefully by then the three signings will be lined up. It's a shame we're not at home Saturday as it would be great to really get behind the boys and Paolo in a real show of support...[/p][/quote]Please read what i posted again i think you will find you just half looked at the post.[/p][/quote]re-read. "If I were him I would have walked away", quite clear and was responding to this - why would he...[/p][/quote]players sold behind his back for one i could go on but cant be botherd . jayden

12:07pm Fri 1 Feb 13

The Jockster says...

Thank goodness for more sanity from 1950 & Den - proceed with cautious optimism rather than get caught with our trousers down and then getting shafted painfully if it all goes Pete Tong because the FL were to have shown that they failed to conduct the requisite due diligence to protect one of their member clubs.
Thank goodness for more sanity from 1950 & Den - proceed with cautious optimism rather than get caught with our trousers down and then getting shafted painfully if it all goes Pete Tong because the FL were to have shown that they failed to conduct the requisite due diligence to protect one of their member clubs. The Jockster

12:08pm Fri 1 Feb 13

jayden says...

The Jockster wrote:
swwindon61uk wrote:
Since 1950 wrote:
The Jockster wrote:
London Red wrote: I guessing the new owners are not saying anything as they are not yet the owners - thus the sale of Ritchie and the blocked loans . Would rather they stay silent until its done than a BEST Holdings style media oveoad whic turned out to be nothing . JM is allowed to sit on the board of both clubs for the remainder of the season as we can not meet in any competition - but must severe ties wit Banbury in the summer . He is due to speak to Banbury fans (tonight I believe - its on the take over page) so anyone local may want to pop along to see what he has to say . Here's a thought how about the Adver also pop along to get some info??? . Like others what we really need to know is why AB pulled the plug now? . I get he wanted out no issue with that - but why agree a loss only to back out halfway through the year . All actions have gone against earlier comments so could the truth actually come out now?
LR surely AB pulled the plug because he was not prepared to dip his hand in his pocket anymore, although I agree it would have been good if he'd just got us over the transfer window and gone as soon as the takeover was ratified by the FL. 2012 if you want to know why I'm sceptical then read 1950's latest post saves me relating the same points. Like him I smell a potential rat but the silence from the new kids on the block is deafening. OK until the FL have given the nod they are not strictly the owners and don't expect them to stump up cash for an asset/liability they don't own, but you'd think that they would've objected to the sale of Ritchie as some kind of declaration of intent to the fans that they were really interested in taking the club forward. So I don't see my original post as any kind of knee jerk reaction more one of caveat emptor. Final thought why all the cloak & dagger stuff about who the Famous Five are or aren't? Until I see positive answers to some of these questions I'll keep the rosy specs firmly in their case!
Jockster.

You can add to my post, as I was reminded and didn't include it, that I understand this consortium failed in their bid to take over at Luton. Eau de Rodant!
Is it exactly the same people in this consortium that failed at Luton Town or are some of the personal different?
How does anyone know? Nobody knows who the famous five are and for certain I dont know who comprised the unsuccessful Luton bid the only common denominator being Jed McCrory!
Jock this is a name i have heared mentioned twice now William Carson.
[quote][p][bold]The Jockster[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]swwindon61uk[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Since 1950[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The Jockster[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]London Red[/bold] wrote: I guessing the new owners are not saying anything as they are not yet the owners - thus the sale of Ritchie and the blocked loans . Would rather they stay silent until its done than a BEST Holdings style media oveoad whic turned out to be nothing . JM is allowed to sit on the board of both clubs for the remainder of the season as we can not meet in any competition - but must severe ties wit Banbury in the summer . He is due to speak to Banbury fans (tonight I believe - its on the take over page) so anyone local may want to pop along to see what he has to say . Here's a thought how about the Adver also pop along to get some info??? . Like others what we really need to know is why AB pulled the plug now? . I get he wanted out no issue with that - but why agree a loss only to back out halfway through the year . All actions have gone against earlier comments so could the truth actually come out now?[/p][/quote]LR surely AB pulled the plug because he was not prepared to dip his hand in his pocket anymore, although I agree it would have been good if he'd just got us over the transfer window and gone as soon as the takeover was ratified by the FL. 2012 if you want to know why I'm sceptical then read 1950's latest post saves me relating the same points. Like him I smell a potential rat but the silence from the new kids on the block is deafening. OK until the FL have given the nod they are not strictly the owners and don't expect them to stump up cash for an asset/liability they don't own, but you'd think that they would've objected to the sale of Ritchie as some kind of declaration of intent to the fans that they were really interested in taking the club forward. So I don't see my original post as any kind of knee jerk reaction more one of caveat emptor. Final thought why all the cloak & dagger stuff about who the Famous Five are or aren't? Until I see positive answers to some of these questions I'll keep the rosy specs firmly in their case![/p][/quote]Jockster. You can add to my post, as I was reminded and didn't include it, that I understand this consortium failed in their bid to take over at Luton. Eau de Rodant![/p][/quote]Is it exactly the same people in this consortium that failed at Luton Town or are some of the personal different?[/p][/quote]How does anyone know? Nobody knows who the famous five are and for certain I dont know who comprised the unsuccessful Luton bid the only common denominator being Jed McCrory![/p][/quote]Jock this is a name i have heared mentioned twice now William Carson. jayden

12:28pm Fri 1 Feb 13

The Jockster says...

jayden wrote:
The Jockster wrote:
swwindon61uk wrote:
Since 1950 wrote:
The Jockster wrote:
London Red wrote: I guessing the new owners are not saying anything as they are not yet the owners - thus the sale of Ritchie and the blocked loans . Would rather they stay silent until its done than a BEST Holdings style media oveoad whic turned out to be nothing . JM is allowed to sit on the board of both clubs for the remainder of the season as we can not meet in any competition - but must severe ties wit Banbury in the summer . He is due to speak to Banbury fans (tonight I believe - its on the take over page) so anyone local may want to pop along to see what he has to say . Here's a thought how about the Adver also pop along to get some info??? . Like others what we really need to know is why AB pulled the plug now? . I get he wanted out no issue with that - but why agree a loss only to back out halfway through the year . All actions have gone against earlier comments so could the truth actually come out now?
LR surely AB pulled the plug because he was not prepared to dip his hand in his pocket anymore, although I agree it would have been good if he'd just got us over the transfer window and gone as soon as the takeover was ratified by the FL. 2012 if you want to know why I'm sceptical then read 1950's latest post saves me relating the same points. Like him I smell a potential rat but the silence from the new kids on the block is deafening. OK until the FL have given the nod they are not strictly the owners and don't expect them to stump up cash for an asset/liability they don't own, but you'd think that they would've objected to the sale of Ritchie as some kind of declaration of intent to the fans that they were really interested in taking the club forward. So I don't see my original post as any kind of knee jerk reaction more one of caveat emptor. Final thought why all the cloak & dagger stuff about who the Famous Five are or aren't? Until I see positive answers to some of these questions I'll keep the rosy specs firmly in their case!
Jockster.

You can add to my post, as I was reminded and didn't include it, that I understand this consortium failed in their bid to take over at Luton. Eau de Rodant!
Is it exactly the same people in this consortium that failed at Luton Town or are some of the personal different?
How does anyone know? Nobody knows who the famous five are and for certain I dont know who comprised the unsuccessful Luton bid the only common denominator being Jed McCrory!
Jock this is a name i have heared mentioned twice now William Carson.
I'd rather have Frank Carson -surely were not talking about the former stfc director and diminutive ex jockey with the squeaky voice are we?
[quote][p][bold]jayden[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The Jockster[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]swwindon61uk[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Since 1950[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The Jockster[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]London Red[/bold] wrote: I guessing the new owners are not saying anything as they are not yet the owners - thus the sale of Ritchie and the blocked loans . Would rather they stay silent until its done than a BEST Holdings style media oveoad whic turned out to be nothing . JM is allowed to sit on the board of both clubs for the remainder of the season as we can not meet in any competition - but must severe ties wit Banbury in the summer . He is due to speak to Banbury fans (tonight I believe - its on the take over page) so anyone local may want to pop along to see what he has to say . Here's a thought how about the Adver also pop along to get some info??? . Like others what we really need to know is why AB pulled the plug now? . I get he wanted out no issue with that - but why agree a loss only to back out halfway through the year . All actions have gone against earlier comments so could the truth actually come out now?[/p][/quote]LR surely AB pulled the plug because he was not prepared to dip his hand in his pocket anymore, although I agree it would have been good if he'd just got us over the transfer window and gone as soon as the takeover was ratified by the FL. 2012 if you want to know why I'm sceptical then read 1950's latest post saves me relating the same points. Like him I smell a potential rat but the silence from the new kids on the block is deafening. OK until the FL have given the nod they are not strictly the owners and don't expect them to stump up cash for an asset/liability they don't own, but you'd think that they would've objected to the sale of Ritchie as some kind of declaration of intent to the fans that they were really interested in taking the club forward. So I don't see my original post as any kind of knee jerk reaction more one of caveat emptor. Final thought why all the cloak & dagger stuff about who the Famous Five are or aren't? Until I see positive answers to some of these questions I'll keep the rosy specs firmly in their case![/p][/quote]Jockster. You can add to my post, as I was reminded and didn't include it, that I understand this consortium failed in their bid to take over at Luton. Eau de Rodant![/p][/quote]Is it exactly the same people in this consortium that failed at Luton Town or are some of the personal different?[/p][/quote]How does anyone know? Nobody knows who the famous five are and for certain I dont know who comprised the unsuccessful Luton bid the only common denominator being Jed McCrory![/p][/quote]Jock this is a name i have heared mentioned twice now William Carson.[/p][/quote]I'd rather have Frank Carson -surely were not talking about the former stfc director and diminutive ex jockey with the squeaky voice are we? The Jockster

12:50pm Fri 1 Feb 13

NewburyRobin says...

Pewsham Red wrote:
The silence is deafening and the lack of explanation or comment from the club is leading to speculation, not helped by clowns like Guv.

A short statement from SOMEONE would help allay any fears, or confirm we have something to be fearful about.
Indeed Pewsham spot on, all the speculation is making people very nervous.
It appears that nobody is steering the ship & it may be for legal reasons but if JM is a man of the fans I would have hoped we would have heard something from him.
Cheltenham do not have anything like the worries that we have yet they were still considerate to their fans by posting a statement at 10.00am re MP & another one at 11.23 by Marlon Pack himself
Come on Mr Watkins try & appreciate all our concerns & issue some sort of explanation, good or bad news it is better than no news at all.
[quote][p][bold]Pewsham Red[/bold] wrote: The silence is deafening and the lack of explanation or comment from the club is leading to speculation, not helped by clowns like Guv. A short statement from SOMEONE would help allay any fears, or confirm we have something to be fearful about.[/p][/quote]Indeed Pewsham spot on, all the speculation is making people very nervous. It appears that nobody is steering the ship & it may be for legal reasons but if JM is a man of the fans I would have hoped we would have heard something from him. Cheltenham do not have anything like the worries that we have yet they were still considerate to their fans by posting a statement at 10.00am re MP & another one at 11.23 by Marlon Pack himself Come on Mr Watkins try & appreciate all our concerns & issue some sort of explanation, good or bad news it is better than no news at all. NewburyRobin

12:55pm Fri 1 Feb 13

London Red says...

Watkins did make a statement which was on BBC radio - just because the Adver haven't printed that doesn't mean it didn't happen
.
Loyal posted a blurb of it on the Pack article
Watkins did make a statement which was on BBC radio - just because the Adver haven't printed that doesn't mean it didn't happen . Loyal posted a blurb of it on the Pack article London Red

1:03pm Fri 1 Feb 13

LeGod says...

Si i've done a bit of research on Jed and it appears he has alot of contacts in Management funding comapnies mainly in the states. Obviously i realise he is the voice for the consortium and he seems to be quite a well liked individual and has been successful at what he does business wise.
So like all of us we dont know who the famous five are and whether it is any of the companies that are listed as funding companies i guess only time will tell.

Like all people Watkins has his one minute on air this morning would be nice if a proper statement is put out or is it a case of sod the fans weve done our bit now lets wait for the FL to do their due diligence.

I get the impression that it is the latter.
Totally unbelievable the lack of news coming out of the club and putting something on the website and shouldnt the adver be chasing them for a statment as well or is Sam gone to bed as he was up late last night.

If your a journalist i thought you lot were always snooping around at al times of noght and day so give us something!!!!!!!!!!!
!!!!!!!!!!!
Si i've done a bit of research on Jed and it appears he has alot of contacts in Management funding comapnies mainly in the states. Obviously i realise he is the voice for the consortium and he seems to be quite a well liked individual and has been successful at what he does business wise. So like all of us we dont know who the famous five are and whether it is any of the companies that are listed as funding companies i guess only time will tell. Like all people Watkins has his one minute on air this morning would be nice if a proper statement is put out or is it a case of sod the fans weve done our bit now lets wait for the FL to do their due diligence. I get the impression that it is the latter. Totally unbelievable the lack of news coming out of the club and putting something on the website and shouldnt the adver be chasing them for a statment as well or is Sam gone to bed as he was up late last night. If your a journalist i thought you lot were always snooping around at al times of noght and day so give us something!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!! LeGod

1:05pm Fri 1 Feb 13

the wizard says...

Oh for the grace of the good lord, CHEER UP YOU LOT.
At least we still have a club, a team to support and the manager is trying his best to be positive, constructive and win games. Meanwhile some of you are almost hoping wishing and willing gloom and doom to happen. Lighten up and be careful for what you wish for. Smelling rats ???? well the dog is always first to smell his own wind !!!
Oh for the grace of the good lord, CHEER UP YOU LOT. At least we still have a club, a team to support and the manager is trying his best to be positive, constructive and win games. Meanwhile some of you are almost hoping wishing and willing gloom and doom to happen. Lighten up and be careful for what you wish for. Smelling rats ???? well the dog is always first to smell his own wind !!! the wizard

1:09pm Fri 1 Feb 13

swwindon61uk says...

LeGod wrote:
Si i've done a bit of research on Jed and it appears he has alot of contacts in Management funding comapnies mainly in the states. Obviously i realise he is the voice for the consortium and he seems to be quite a well liked individual and has been successful at what he does business wise.
So like all of us we dont know who the famous five are and whether it is any of the companies that are listed as funding companies i guess only time will tell.

Like all people Watkins has his one minute on air this morning would be nice if a proper statement is put out or is it a case of sod the fans weve done our bit now lets wait for the FL to do their due diligence.

I get the impression that it is the latter.
Totally unbelievable the lack of news coming out of the club and putting something on the website and shouldnt the adver be chasing them for a statment as well or is Sam gone to bed as he was up late last night.

If your a journalist i thought you lot were always snooping around at al times of noght and day so give us something!!!!!!!!!!!

!!!!!!!!!!!
Well that seems a bit more like it, a bit of positive vibe on JM.
[quote][p][bold]LeGod[/bold] wrote: Si i've done a bit of research on Jed and it appears he has alot of contacts in Management funding comapnies mainly in the states. Obviously i realise he is the voice for the consortium and he seems to be quite a well liked individual and has been successful at what he does business wise. So like all of us we dont know who the famous five are and whether it is any of the companies that are listed as funding companies i guess only time will tell. Like all people Watkins has his one minute on air this morning would be nice if a proper statement is put out or is it a case of sod the fans weve done our bit now lets wait for the FL to do their due diligence. I get the impression that it is the latter. Totally unbelievable the lack of news coming out of the club and putting something on the website and shouldnt the adver be chasing them for a statment as well or is Sam gone to bed as he was up late last night. If your a journalist i thought you lot were always snooping around at al times of noght and day so give us something!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!![/p][/quote]Well that seems a bit more like it, a bit of positive vibe on JM. swwindon61uk

1:19pm Fri 1 Feb 13

Oi Den! says...

the wizard wrote:
Oh for the grace of the good lord, CHEER UP YOU LOT.
At least we still have a club, a team to support and the manager is trying his best to be positive, constructive and win games. Meanwhile some of you are almost hoping wishing and willing gloom and doom to happen. Lighten up and be careful for what you wish for. Smelling rats ???? well the dog is always first to smell his own wind !!!
I'm sure we are all wishing for the same thing, Wiz. It's your prerogative to feel very comfortable about what's happening. People are also entitled to wonder what is going on. If our exiting owners and prospective buyers could not seal a deal to take the club forward without the desperate selling of a player on the cheap, something is not right. I do hope your cheerful optimism proves to be vindicated. However, I have an awful feeling in my guts that bad news is not far ahead.
[quote][p][bold]the wizard[/bold] wrote: Oh for the grace of the good lord, CHEER UP YOU LOT. At least we still have a club, a team to support and the manager is trying his best to be positive, constructive and win games. Meanwhile some of you are almost hoping wishing and willing gloom and doom to happen. Lighten up and be careful for what you wish for. Smelling rats ???? well the dog is always first to smell his own wind !!![/p][/quote]I'm sure we are all wishing for the same thing, Wiz. It's your prerogative to feel very comfortable about what's happening. People are also entitled to wonder what is going on. If our exiting owners and prospective buyers could not seal a deal to take the club forward without the desperate selling of a player on the cheap, something is not right. I do hope your cheerful optimism proves to be vindicated. However, I have an awful feeling in my guts that bad news is not far ahead. Oi Den!

1:21pm Fri 1 Feb 13

the wizard says...

As for "inch-high Carson", I hope not, not with a flippin' barge pole, har,har,har, har Princess Anne.
As for "inch-high Carson", I hope not, not with a flippin' barge pole, har,har,har, har Princess Anne. the wizard

1:23pm Fri 1 Feb 13

Pewsham Red says...

the wizard wrote:
Oh for the grace of the good lord, CHEER UP YOU LOT.
At least we still have a club, a team to support and the manager is trying his best to be positive, constructive and win games. Meanwhile some of you are almost hoping wishing and willing gloom and doom to happen. Lighten up and be careful for what you wish for. Smelling rats ???? well the dog is always first to smell his own wind !!!
Hi Wiz, in the absence of clarification from the club I can't see how you can be so confident we still have a club and a team to support. Paolo is carrying on with his job, as you would expect him to do.

I suspect you are probably right, but it is clear that there is still work to be done, not just to get the transfers done but to ratify the sale of the club to the new consortium.

We were told a deal was done and we would sign new players, when in fact neither appears to be the case.

Until this is done and dusted then I think it is only natural to be a little uneasy.
[quote][p][bold]the wizard[/bold] wrote: Oh for the grace of the good lord, CHEER UP YOU LOT. At least we still have a club, a team to support and the manager is trying his best to be positive, constructive and win games. Meanwhile some of you are almost hoping wishing and willing gloom and doom to happen. Lighten up and be careful for what you wish for. Smelling rats ???? well the dog is always first to smell his own wind !!![/p][/quote]Hi Wiz, in the absence of clarification from the club I can't see how you can be so confident we still have a club and a team to support. Paolo is carrying on with his job, as you would expect him to do. I suspect you are probably right, but it is clear that there is still work to be done, not just to get the transfers done but to ratify the sale of the club to the new consortium. We were told a deal was done and we would sign new players, when in fact neither appears to be the case. Until this is done and dusted then I think it is only natural to be a little uneasy. Pewsham Red

1:54pm Fri 1 Feb 13

The Jockster says...

Good stuff chaps more sanity and erring on the side of caution. Not sure about windy dogs but I certainly wouldn't buy a house over a mineshaft before checking that the foundations weren't going to fall into a deep dark hole and crumble to dust - due diligence I think it's called in business :) just seen a picture of JM in the adver - don't know where they got the pic but looked like he was on a lads night out somewhere which made me even more uneasy with the thought that this little venture might just be another "rich " boys and their toys jolly outing until they tire if the game.
Good stuff chaps more sanity and erring on the side of caution. Not sure about windy dogs but I certainly wouldn't buy a house over a mineshaft before checking that the foundations weren't going to fall into a deep dark hole and crumble to dust - due diligence I think it's called in business :) just seen a picture of JM in the adver - don't know where they got the pic but looked like he was on a lads night out somewhere which made me even more uneasy with the thought that this little venture might just be another "rich " boys and their toys jolly outing until they tire if the game. The Jockster

2:18pm Fri 1 Feb 13

eddyxx says...

How the hell has this balls up happened on the loans ? surely someone at the club must have known the F.L would not ratify them or was it a lilly livered attempt to win favour with pdc and the fans over the sale of ritchie. if these fall through can see pdc walking, if the new owners had intentions of grandure then selling ritchie is not an indication of their financial backing on the playing squad. in this league if you wanna be a big boy you have to pay to play.
How the hell has this balls up happened on the loans ? surely someone at the club must have known the F.L would not ratify them or was it a lilly livered attempt to win favour with pdc and the fans over the sale of ritchie. if these fall through can see pdc walking, if the new owners had intentions of grandure then selling ritchie is not an indication of their financial backing on the playing squad. in this league if you wanna be a big boy you have to pay to play. eddyxx

2:26pm Fri 1 Feb 13

The Jockster says...

Another good post!
Another good post! The Jockster

2:50pm Fri 1 Feb 13

eddyxx says...

Do the maths, promotion to the championship this season, they dont need to fund it the teams in place and we are close, they go up and a huge cash windfall from being in the championship and everyone is happy and all debts can be paid, they dont go up and we will see if they have the cash to fund a promotion push ans also sustain a 250k a month wage bill, my money is on their initial statement, Promotion to the championship this season. Selling Ritchie to me is an indication that this is a quick bail out job for Black and an attempt to cash in on championship cash windfall from the new owners. We will see in coming days if they have the cash to fund the club so far an asset has been sold, what indication of intent is that ?
Do the maths, promotion to the championship this season, they dont need to fund it the teams in place and we are close, they go up and a huge cash windfall from being in the championship and everyone is happy and all debts can be paid, they dont go up and we will see if they have the cash to fund a promotion push ans also sustain a 250k a month wage bill, my money is on their initial statement, Promotion to the championship this season. Selling Ritchie to me is an indication that this is a quick bail out job for Black and an attempt to cash in on championship cash windfall from the new owners. We will see in coming days if they have the cash to fund the club so far an asset has been sold, what indication of intent is that ? eddyxx

3:11pm Fri 1 Feb 13

John Young's Grumpy says...

Listen in everybody I have the truth!

Guv is 47 and still lives with his mum.

Guv has a mental age of 14.

Guv is a footballing and financial expert.

Guv is in cahoots with the FL paper.

It's true I tell you, I have it from very relaible sources who I can't divulge.....

....becuase they don't really exist and I made it all up.... like Guv does.
Listen in everybody I have the truth! Guv is 47 and still lives with his mum. Guv has a mental age of 14. Guv is a footballing and financial expert. Guv is in cahoots with the FL paper. It's true I tell you, I have it from very relaible sources who I can't divulge..... ....becuase they don't really exist and I made it all up.... like Guv does. John Young's Grumpy

3:16pm Fri 1 Feb 13

the wizard says...

People on here are asking for a statement from the club ? saying what exactly ? The employees at the club are no doubt bound by rules and regs. they cannot tell us anything we don't already know. Some things have been explained many times over yet still the same people bang out the same questions or statements that are way wide of the mark.
I had already made arrangements for tomorrow some months ago, had I not I would have willingly been at Crawley in full voice and song getting behind the team because right now that is the best thing to do, and show them, the management team and anyone/everyone else that we are still behind the players etc. The best thing to do is show our support as opposed to all the gloom and doom here. The admin stuff is out of our hands and we can't change, later or influence any of that. As and when the new guys take charge I hope a few here will apologise for the comments made over the last few days. At first I thought they looked a bit cowboy but further research as others have done proves otherwise. I wish them every success and the club a bright future.
People on here are asking for a statement from the club ? saying what exactly ? The employees at the club are no doubt bound by rules and regs. they cannot tell us anything we don't already know. Some things have been explained many times over yet still the same people bang out the same questions or statements that are way wide of the mark. I had already made arrangements for tomorrow some months ago, had I not I would have willingly been at Crawley in full voice and song getting behind the team because right now that is the best thing to do, and show them, the management team and anyone/everyone else that we are still behind the players etc. The best thing to do is show our support as opposed to all the gloom and doom here. The admin stuff is out of our hands and we can't change, later or influence any of that. As and when the new guys take charge I hope a few here will apologise for the comments made over the last few days. At first I thought they looked a bit cowboy but further research as others have done proves otherwise. I wish them every success and the club a bright future. the wizard

3:26pm Fri 1 Feb 13

the don69 says...

John Young's Grumpy wrote:
Listen in everybody I have the truth!

Guv is 47 and still lives with his mum.

Guv has a mental age of 14.

Guv is a footballing and financial expert.

Guv is in cahoots with the FL paper.

It's true I tell you, I have it from very relaible sources who I can't divulge.....

....becuase they don't really exist and I made it all up.... like Guv does.
My source tells me you might be Grumpy but I can divulge to you that your spot on about that nutter who calls himself Guv!!!!!!!
[quote][p][bold]John Young's Grumpy[/bold] wrote: Listen in everybody I have the truth! Guv is 47 and still lives with his mum. Guv has a mental age of 14. Guv is a footballing and financial expert. Guv is in cahoots with the FL paper. It's true I tell you, I have it from very relaible sources who I can't divulge..... ....becuase they don't really exist and I made it all up.... like Guv does.[/p][/quote]My source tells me you might be Grumpy but I can divulge to you that your spot on about that nutter who calls himself Guv!!!!!!! the don69

3:37pm Fri 1 Feb 13

ole ole says...

If you're bored, read this...

http://www.football-
league.co.uk/staticF
iles/0/8c/0,,10794~1
66912,00.pdf
If you're bored, read this... http://www.football- league.co.uk/staticF iles/0/8c/0,,10794~1 66912,00.pdf ole ole

3:43pm Fri 1 Feb 13

ole ole says...

Basically, it takes up to 5 'normal' working days to say if a proposed director is allowed to take their post. As far as I can see, there is nothing about money involved in the decision.
Basically, it takes up to 5 'normal' working days to say if a proposed director is allowed to take their post. As far as I can see, there is nothing about money involved in the decision. ole ole

3:47pm Fri 1 Feb 13

jayden says...

I now know 3 of the new guys or do i? I have done some snooping this afternoon.
I now know 3 of the new guys or do i? I have done some snooping this afternoon. jayden

3:50pm Fri 1 Feb 13

The Jockster says...

the wizard wrote:
People on here are asking for a statement from the club ? saying what exactly ? The employees at the club are no doubt bound by rules and regs. they cannot tell us anything we don't already know. Some things have been explained many times over yet still the same people bang out the same questions or statements that are way wide of the mark.
I had already made arrangements for tomorrow some months ago, had I not I would have willingly been at Crawley in full voice and song getting behind the team because right now that is the best thing to do, and show them, the management team and anyone/everyone else that we are still behind the players etc. The best thing to do is show our support as opposed to all the gloom and doom here. The admin stuff is out of our hands and we can't change, later or influence any of that. As and when the new guys take charge I hope a few here will apologise for the comments made over the last few days. At first I thought they looked a bit cowboy but further research as others have done proves otherwise. I wish them every success and the club a bright future.
Care to share then Wiz? Sound like you know who "they" are? So what research might have you done that will convince us doubters that Jed and co. are kosher?

Have to say I'm impressed about your statement of intent to go to Crawley as you'd always indicated that it was difficult to get to home games let alone away matches due to domestic circumstances. Going to give this oneamissas it's ontv and I've shelled out enough recently on away days lol! Be good to know what allays your fears about the new regime I'm sure others would be interested as well so we canall calm down as you are exhorting us to do :)
[quote][p][bold]the wizard[/bold] wrote: People on here are asking for a statement from the club ? saying what exactly ? The employees at the club are no doubt bound by rules and regs. they cannot tell us anything we don't already know. Some things have been explained many times over yet still the same people bang out the same questions or statements that are way wide of the mark. I had already made arrangements for tomorrow some months ago, had I not I would have willingly been at Crawley in full voice and song getting behind the team because right now that is the best thing to do, and show them, the management team and anyone/everyone else that we are still behind the players etc. The best thing to do is show our support as opposed to all the gloom and doom here. The admin stuff is out of our hands and we can't change, later or influence any of that. As and when the new guys take charge I hope a few here will apologise for the comments made over the last few days. At first I thought they looked a bit cowboy but further research as others have done proves otherwise. I wish them every success and the club a bright future.[/p][/quote]Care to share then Wiz? Sound like you know who "they" are? So what research might have you done that will convince us doubters that Jed and co. are kosher? Have to say I'm impressed about your statement of intent to go to Crawley as you'd always indicated that it was difficult to get to home games let alone away matches due to domestic circumstances. Going to give this oneamissas it's ontv and I've shelled out enough recently on away days lol! Be good to know what allays your fears about the new regime I'm sure others would be interested as well so we canall calm down as you are exhorting us to do :) The Jockster

3:53pm Fri 1 Feb 13

Bassett Hound says...

jayden wrote:
I now know 3 of the new guys or do i? I have done some snooping this afternoon.
Who are they jayden?
[quote][p][bold]jayden[/bold] wrote: I now know 3 of the new guys or do i? I have done some snooping this afternoon.[/p][/quote]Who are they jayden? Bassett Hound

3:56pm Fri 1 Feb 13

the don69 says...

jayden wrote:
I now know 3 of the new guys or do i? I have done some snooping this afternoon.
What are your sources divulging jayden?or are you going to keep us in limbo,before you divulge your snooping?????????
[quote][p][bold]jayden[/bold] wrote: I now know 3 of the new guys or do i? I have done some snooping this afternoon.[/p][/quote]What are your sources divulging jayden?or are you going to keep us in limbo,before you divulge your snooping????????? the don69

3:58pm Fri 1 Feb 13

Bassett Hound says...

jayden wrote:
I now know 3 of the new guys or do i? I have done some snooping this afternoon.
Who are they jayden?
[quote][p][bold]jayden[/bold] wrote: I now know 3 of the new guys or do i? I have done some snooping this afternoon.[/p][/quote]Who are they jayden? Bassett Hound

4:03pm Fri 1 Feb 13

jayden says...

I am waiting for someone to get home from work and ask him.Soon as he confirms i will spill i have allready said one today i also hope i am wrong on that one.
I am waiting for someone to get home from work and ask him.Soon as he confirms i will spill i have allready said one today i also hope i am wrong on that one. jayden

4:11pm Fri 1 Feb 13

the wizard says...

The Jockster wrote:
the wizard wrote:
People on here are asking for a statement from the club ? saying what exactly ? The employees at the club are no doubt bound by rules and regs. they cannot tell us anything we don't already know. Some things have been explained many times over yet still the same people bang out the same questions or statements that are way wide of the mark.
I had already made arrangements for tomorrow some months ago, had I not I would have willingly been at Crawley in full voice and song getting behind the team because right now that is the best thing to do, and show them, the management team and anyone/everyone else that we are still behind the players etc. The best thing to do is show our support as opposed to all the gloom and doom here. The admin stuff is out of our hands and we can't change, later or influence any of that. As and when the new guys take charge I hope a few here will apologise for the comments made over the last few days. At first I thought they looked a bit cowboy but further research as others have done proves otherwise. I wish them every success and the club a bright future.
Care to share then Wiz? Sound like you know who "they" are? So what research might have you done that will convince us doubters that Jed and co. are kosher?

Have to say I'm impressed about your statement of intent to go to Crawley as you'd always indicated that it was difficult to get to home games let alone away matches due to domestic circumstances. Going to give this oneamissas it's ontv and I've shelled out enough recently on away days lol! Be good to know what allays your fears about the new regime I'm sure others would be interested as well so we canall calm down as you are exhorting us to do :)
I have probably done the same research as others and come up with the same info as others, and in addition I have a mate on the stock exchange who has not heard anything bad about Jed. If there was anything these guys normally get hold of it, not always but they have to be on the ball while dealing for others.

We have already got a long standing arrangement for tomorrow, but had that not been the case then I would have tried to make arrangements to go to give support. There is little or nothing the club can say given its all in the hands of the FL. While they are doing their bit what can the club say, nothing we don't already know. Jed can't say anything as its not his place to comment just yet. I'm hopeful that by this time next week we should all be happy and have something to be happy about. I'm really trying to see the maximum amount of "Good" in all this, as its a better place to be. In fairness as well to the whole of the club employees no matter what their role, I think they have managed and conducted themselves in an exemplary manner during this very difficult week. Full credit to all of them and to manager man for keeping cool, calm and collected especially last night. Beware of the post match interview, warts and all, I'll bet , lol.
[quote][p][bold]The Jockster[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]the wizard[/bold] wrote: People on here are asking for a statement from the club ? saying what exactly ? The employees at the club are no doubt bound by rules and regs. they cannot tell us anything we don't already know. Some things have been explained many times over yet still the same people bang out the same questions or statements that are way wide of the mark. I had already made arrangements for tomorrow some months ago, had I not I would have willingly been at Crawley in full voice and song getting behind the team because right now that is the best thing to do, and show them, the management team and anyone/everyone else that we are still behind the players etc. The best thing to do is show our support as opposed to all the gloom and doom here. The admin stuff is out of our hands and we can't change, later or influence any of that. As and when the new guys take charge I hope a few here will apologise for the comments made over the last few days. At first I thought they looked a bit cowboy but further research as others have done proves otherwise. I wish them every success and the club a bright future.[/p][/quote]Care to share then Wiz? Sound like you know who "they" are? So what research might have you done that will convince us doubters that Jed and co. are kosher? Have to say I'm impressed about your statement of intent to go to Crawley as you'd always indicated that it was difficult to get to home games let alone away matches due to domestic circumstances. Going to give this oneamissas it's ontv and I've shelled out enough recently on away days lol! Be good to know what allays your fears about the new regime I'm sure others would be interested as well so we canall calm down as you are exhorting us to do :)[/p][/quote]I have probably done the same research as others and come up with the same info as others, and in addition I have a mate on the stock exchange who has not heard anything bad about Jed. If there was anything these guys normally get hold of it, not always but they have to be on the ball while dealing for others. We have already got a long standing arrangement for tomorrow, but had that not been the case then I would have tried to make arrangements to go to give support. There is little or nothing the club can say given its all in the hands of the FL. While they are doing their bit what can the club say, nothing we don't already know. Jed can't say anything as its not his place to comment just yet. I'm hopeful that by this time next week we should all be happy and have something to be happy about. I'm really trying to see the maximum amount of "Good" in all this, as its a better place to be. In fairness as well to the whole of the club employees no matter what their role, I think they have managed and conducted themselves in an exemplary manner during this very difficult week. Full credit to all of them and to manager man for keeping cool, calm and collected especially last night. Beware of the post match interview, warts and all, I'll bet , lol. the wizard

4:30pm Fri 1 Feb 13

Since 1950 says...

The Jockster wrote:
jayden wrote:
The Jockster wrote:
swwindon61uk wrote:
Since 1950 wrote:
The Jockster wrote:
London Red wrote: I guessing the new owners are not saying anything as they are not yet the owners - thus the sale of Ritchie and the blocked loans . Would rather they stay silent until its done than a BEST Holdings style media oveoad whic turned out to be nothing . JM is allowed to sit on the board of both clubs for the remainder of the season as we can not meet in any competition - but must severe ties wit Banbury in the summer . He is due to speak to Banbury fans (tonight I believe - its on the take over page) so anyone local may want to pop along to see what he has to say . Here's a thought how about the Adver also pop along to get some info??? . Like others what we really need to know is why AB pulled the plug now? . I get he wanted out no issue with that - but why agree a loss only to back out halfway through the year . All actions have gone against earlier comments so could the truth actually come out now?
LR surely AB pulled the plug because he was not prepared to dip his hand in his pocket anymore, although I agree it would have been good if he'd just got us over the transfer window and gone as soon as the takeover was ratified by the FL. 2012 if you want to know why I'm sceptical then read 1950's latest post saves me relating the same points. Like him I smell a potential rat but the silence from the new kids on the block is deafening. OK until the FL have given the nod they are not strictly the owners and don't expect them to stump up cash for an asset/liability they don't own, but you'd think that they would've objected to the sale of Ritchie as some kind of declaration of intent to the fans that they were really interested in taking the club forward. So I don't see my original post as any kind of knee jerk reaction more one of caveat emptor. Final thought why all the cloak & dagger stuff about who the Famous Five are or aren't? Until I see positive answers to some of these questions I'll keep the rosy specs firmly in their case!
Jockster. You can add to my post, as I was reminded and didn't include it, that I understand this consortium failed in their bid to take over at Luton. Eau de Rodant!
Is it exactly the same people in this consortium that failed at Luton Town or are some of the personal different?
How does anyone know? Nobody knows who the famous five are and for certain I dont know who comprised the unsuccessful Luton bid the only common denominator being Jed McCrory!
Jock this is a name i have heared mentioned twice now William Carson.
I'd rather have Frank Carson -surely were not talking about the former stfc director and diminutive ex jockey with the squeaky voice are we?
Ha-Ha Jockster, That made I larf!!
[quote][p][bold]The Jockster[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]jayden[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The Jockster[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]swwindon61uk[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Since 1950[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The Jockster[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]London Red[/bold] wrote: I guessing the new owners are not saying anything as they are not yet the owners - thus the sale of Ritchie and the blocked loans . Would rather they stay silent until its done than a BEST Holdings style media oveoad whic turned out to be nothing . JM is allowed to sit on the board of both clubs for the remainder of the season as we can not meet in any competition - but must severe ties wit Banbury in the summer . He is due to speak to Banbury fans (tonight I believe - its on the take over page) so anyone local may want to pop along to see what he has to say . Here's a thought how about the Adver also pop along to get some info??? . Like others what we really need to know is why AB pulled the plug now? . I get he wanted out no issue with that - but why agree a loss only to back out halfway through the year . All actions have gone against earlier comments so could the truth actually come out now?[/p][/quote]LR surely AB pulled the plug because he was not prepared to dip his hand in his pocket anymore, although I agree it would have been good if he'd just got us over the transfer window and gone as soon as the takeover was ratified by the FL. 2012 if you want to know why I'm sceptical then read 1950's latest post saves me relating the same points. Like him I smell a potential rat but the silence from the new kids on the block is deafening. OK until the FL have given the nod they are not strictly the owners and don't expect them to stump up cash for an asset/liability they don't own, but you'd think that they would've objected to the sale of Ritchie as some kind of declaration of intent to the fans that they were really interested in taking the club forward. So I don't see my original post as any kind of knee jerk reaction more one of caveat emptor. Final thought why all the cloak & dagger stuff about who the Famous Five are or aren't? Until I see positive answers to some of these questions I'll keep the rosy specs firmly in their case![/p][/quote]Jockster. You can add to my post, as I was reminded and didn't include it, that I understand this consortium failed in their bid to take over at Luton. Eau de Rodant![/p][/quote]Is it exactly the same people in this consortium that failed at Luton Town or are some of the personal different?[/p][/quote]How does anyone know? Nobody knows who the famous five are and for certain I dont know who comprised the unsuccessful Luton bid the only common denominator being Jed McCrory![/p][/quote]Jock this is a name i have heared mentioned twice now William Carson.[/p][/quote]I'd rather have Frank Carson -surely were not talking about the former stfc director and diminutive ex jockey with the squeaky voice are we?[/p][/quote]Ha-Ha Jockster, That made I larf!! Since 1950

4:35pm Fri 1 Feb 13

Wilesy says...

Wuold be good to get a statement from the club on a timescale for the Football League to approve the new consortium. Days, weeks, months? Doesn't need to be war and peace.

Maybe Paolo will shed some light on that after the game tomorrow, if he's been told himself.
Wuold be good to get a statement from the club on a timescale for the Football League to approve the new consortium. Days, weeks, months? Doesn't need to be war and peace. Maybe Paolo will shed some light on that after the game tomorrow, if he's been told himself. Wilesy

4:42pm Fri 1 Feb 13

Oi Den! says...

ole ole wrote:
Basically, it takes up to 5 'normal' working days to say if a proposed director is allowed to take their post. As far as I can see, there is nothing about money involved in the decision.
Sounds reasonable. However, someone at the club clearly has the Football League's authority to bind the club contractually in the sale of a player, so why would he/they not have the same authority to buy players or loan them in if the concern is not about funding? The new owners must have to satisfy the League that it can meet its financial obligations. If we had signed those three players on loan, presumably we would have been legally obliged to pay their wages - or an agreed part of them - and other costs for the period of the loans. So the way I see it is the League are happy for the club to increase its resources by getting players off the wage bill and bringing in transfer fees, but they do not want to risk sanctioning further player expenditure until they know the club is sound enough to meet it. I am not going to write off the prospective new owners before they've got their feet under the table but I think the Football League are absolutely right to excercise caution. The future of our club is at stake here.
[quote][p][bold]ole ole[/bold] wrote: Basically, it takes up to 5 'normal' working days to say if a proposed director is allowed to take their post. As far as I can see, there is nothing about money involved in the decision.[/p][/quote]Sounds reasonable. However, someone at the club clearly has the Football League's authority to bind the club contractually in the sale of a player, so why would he/they not have the same authority to buy players or loan them in if the concern is not about funding? The new owners must have to satisfy the League that it can meet its financial obligations. If we had signed those three players on loan, presumably we would have been legally obliged to pay their wages - or an agreed part of them - and other costs for the period of the loans. So the way I see it is the League are happy for the club to increase its resources by getting players off the wage bill and bringing in transfer fees, but they do not want to risk sanctioning further player expenditure until they know the club is sound enough to meet it. I am not going to write off the prospective new owners before they've got their feet under the table but I think the Football League are absolutely right to excercise caution. The future of our club is at stake here. Oi Den!

4:48pm Fri 1 Feb 13

the wizard says...

Den,
Black sold Ritchie as he was legally entitled to as the club was still under his control. The Ritchie deal was all done and dusted before the paperwork was submitted and the ownership changed. Once the ownership paperwork was submitted then we have to wait for the FL. Once the FL have agreed to Jed then the loans can go ahead as Jed is then responsible.
Den, Black sold Ritchie as he was legally entitled to as the club was still under his control. The Ritchie deal was all done and dusted before the paperwork was submitted and the ownership changed. Once the ownership paperwork was submitted then we have to wait for the FL. Once the FL have agreed to Jed then the loans can go ahead as Jed is then responsible. the wizard

4:56pm Fri 1 Feb 13

Pewsham Red says...

the wizard wrote:
People on here are asking for a statement from the club ? saying what exactly ? The employees at the club are no doubt bound by rules and regs. they cannot tell us anything we don't already know. Some things have been explained many times over yet still the same people bang out the same questions or statements that are way wide of the mark. I had already made arrangements for tomorrow some months ago, had I not I would have willingly been at Crawley in full voice and song getting behind the team because right now that is the best thing to do, and show them, the management team and anyone/everyone else that we are still behind the players etc. The best thing to do is show our support as opposed to all the gloom and doom here. The admin stuff is out of our hands and we can't change, later or influence any of that. As and when the new guys take charge I hope a few here will apologise for the comments made over the last few days. At first I thought they looked a bit cowboy but further research as others have done proves otherwise. I wish them every success and the club a bright future.
Wiz, we don't know what they should tell us as we don't know what is happening, that is the point.

Why can't they tell us anything we don't already know?

We are in the dark and wish we weren't - is that unreasonable. No need to get uppity about it just because you are happy to wait for news.

They released a statement last night, why can't they release a further one today with an update?

It's not doom and gloom, it is a reasonable concern as we don't know what's going on - not a reason to get pious.
[quote][p][bold]the wizard[/bold] wrote: People on here are asking for a statement from the club ? saying what exactly ? The employees at the club are no doubt bound by rules and regs. they cannot tell us anything we don't already know. Some things have been explained many times over yet still the same people bang out the same questions or statements that are way wide of the mark. I had already made arrangements for tomorrow some months ago, had I not I would have willingly been at Crawley in full voice and song getting behind the team because right now that is the best thing to do, and show them, the management team and anyone/everyone else that we are still behind the players etc. The best thing to do is show our support as opposed to all the gloom and doom here. The admin stuff is out of our hands and we can't change, later or influence any of that. As and when the new guys take charge I hope a few here will apologise for the comments made over the last few days. At first I thought they looked a bit cowboy but further research as others have done proves otherwise. I wish them every success and the club a bright future.[/p][/quote]Wiz, we don't know what they should tell us as we don't know what is happening, that is the point. Why can't they tell us anything we don't already know? We are in the dark and wish we weren't - is that unreasonable. No need to get uppity about it just because you are happy to wait for news. They released a statement last night, why can't they release a further one today with an update? It's not doom and gloom, it is a reasonable concern as we don't know what's going on - not a reason to get pious. Pewsham Red

5:05pm Fri 1 Feb 13

London Red says...

If it is Carson does it really matter?
.
He won't be chairman and even if he did sit on the board (which he may not) he would still only be one of 5 or 6
.
If Diamond Mike is one - well that would be totally different!
If it is Carson does it really matter? . He won't be chairman and even if he did sit on the board (which he may not) he would still only be one of 5 or 6 . If Diamond Mike is one - well that would be totally different! London Red

5:06pm Fri 1 Feb 13

Oi Den! says...

Wiz, I take your point. If you are right, what the hell was the club doing wasting everyone's time yesterday trying to do deals they had no authority to conclude?
.
Pewsham, I agree with you. Last night's statement was simply not enough. If the club believes it's just a question of time, why wasn't that said in the statement or at least clarified today? It's not the failure to sign these players that bothers me; it's what it might indicate about the general situation. If the prospective new owners see no cause for alarm, surely it wouldn't be too difficult to say so? Otherwise, there is a legitimate concern that the deal will not be approved - and we all know where the club would be heading then.
Wiz, I take your point. If you are right, what the hell was the club doing wasting everyone's time yesterday trying to do deals they had no authority to conclude? . Pewsham, I agree with you. Last night's statement was simply not enough. If the club believes it's just a question of time, why wasn't that said in the statement or at least clarified today? It's not the failure to sign these players that bothers me; it's what it might indicate about the general situation. If the prospective new owners see no cause for alarm, surely it wouldn't be too difficult to say so? Otherwise, there is a legitimate concern that the deal will not be approved - and we all know where the club would be heading then. Oi Den!

5:13pm Fri 1 Feb 13

Since 1950 says...

the wizard wrote:
Den, Black sold Ritchie as he was legally entitled to as the club was still under his control. The Ritchie deal was all done and dusted before the paperwork was submitted and the ownership changed. Once the ownership paperwork was submitted then we have to wait for the FL. Once the FL have agreed to Jed then the loans can go ahead as Jed is then responsible.
Hi Wiz

Hope you are well.

The truth is it was an agreement between Black and McCrory jointly to sell/give away Ritchie. (delete as applicable). As you say it was done and dusted as part of the 'deal' and now history.

What I can't get my head around is why yer new man didn't have at least the good grace to tell the manager? What kind of foundation does that get the relationship off with? If that's not an Foxtrot Oscar, what is?
[quote][p][bold]the wizard[/bold] wrote: Den, Black sold Ritchie as he was legally entitled to as the club was still under his control. The Ritchie deal was all done and dusted before the paperwork was submitted and the ownership changed. Once the ownership paperwork was submitted then we have to wait for the FL. Once the FL have agreed to Jed then the loans can go ahead as Jed is then responsible.[/p][/quote]Hi Wiz Hope you are well. The truth is it was an agreement between Black and McCrory jointly to sell/give away Ritchie. (delete as applicable). As you say it was done and dusted as part of the 'deal' and now history. What I can't get my head around is why yer new man didn't have at least the good grace to tell the manager? What kind of foundation does that get the relationship off with? If that's not an Foxtrot Oscar, what is? Since 1950

5:20pm Fri 1 Feb 13

LeGod says...

I hope for all of us its not Little Willie as has been mentioned a few times God help us. All he did last time was keep moaning about his 300k he put in the club,

I cant believe he could be back lets hope that information is wrong as i cant stand the little cretin.

I do remember one game though when the whole of the ground were singing Willie is a tommy tanker (you know what i mean.
I hope for all of us its not Little Willie as has been mentioned a few times God help us. All he did last time was keep moaning about his 300k he put in the club, I cant believe he could be back lets hope that information is wrong as i cant stand the little cretin. I do remember one game though when the whole of the ground were singing Willie is a tommy tanker (you know what i mean. LeGod

5:27pm Fri 1 Feb 13

jayden says...

one of the other ones is ment to be a bloke called monroe [if spelt right) he has links with Willie carson all though it could be a w up .
one of the other ones is ment to be a bloke called monroe [if spelt right) he has links with Willie carson all though it could be a w up . jayden

5:29pm Fri 1 Feb 13

EastleazeRed says...

Willie carson is a horrible and obnoxious little **** , and with the rest of his cronies nearly buried this club 6 foot under . A return would not be welcombe !
Willie carson is a horrible and obnoxious little **** , and with the rest of his cronies nearly buried this club 6 foot under . A return would not be welcombe ! EastleazeRed

5:55pm Fri 1 Feb 13

Pewsham Red says...

Oi Den! wrote:
Wiz, I take your point. If you are right, what the hell was the club doing wasting everyone's time yesterday trying to do deals they had no authority to conclude?
.
Pewsham, I agree with you. Last night's statement was simply not enough. If the club believes it's just a question of time, why wasn't that said in the statement or at least clarified today? It's not the failure to sign these players that bothers me; it's what it might indicate about the general situation. If the prospective new owners see no cause for alarm, surely it wouldn't be too difficult to say so? Otherwise, there is a legitimate concern that the deal will not be approved - and we all know where the club would be heading then.
Absolutely Den. We may be worrying over nothing but if they issued a 'don't panic' statement and that all will be fine after x, y and z have been completed then we can relax.

The fact they haven't really come clean and advised us of the next part of the process makes me and a lot of others nervous and may suggest all is not well.
[quote][p][bold]Oi Den![/bold] wrote: Wiz, I take your point. If you are right, what the hell was the club doing wasting everyone's time yesterday trying to do deals they had no authority to conclude? . Pewsham, I agree with you. Last night's statement was simply not enough. If the club believes it's just a question of time, why wasn't that said in the statement or at least clarified today? It's not the failure to sign these players that bothers me; it's what it might indicate about the general situation. If the prospective new owners see no cause for alarm, surely it wouldn't be too difficult to say so? Otherwise, there is a legitimate concern that the deal will not be approved - and we all know where the club would be heading then.[/p][/quote]Absolutely Den. We may be worrying over nothing but if they issued a 'don't panic' statement and that all will be fine after x, y and z have been completed then we can relax. The fact they haven't really come clean and advised us of the next part of the process makes me and a lot of others nervous and may suggest all is not well. Pewsham Red

6:05pm Fri 1 Feb 13

gazza5150 says...

bit of a longshot but.....
what if the club knew the deals would not by ratifed????
however sign the players anyway, that way they wouldnt go elsewhere........
bit of a longshot but..... what if the club knew the deals would not by ratifed???? however sign the players anyway, that way they wouldnt go elsewhere........ gazza5150

6:13pm Fri 1 Feb 13

Stilloyal says...

FFS Forget Carson, he's a tightwad who only got involved with us before throught his very good mate Diamond Mike. Carson won't part with another penny for STFC he only got 10% of his investment back last time, he won't want to be bitten again he is too tight, fact !

Stop worrying about the F/L this is normal procedure and always takes a few days. It's not been a problem for us before because we didn't have impending transfers, in fact we were under a transfer embargo during one takeover so we wern't looking at getting players in.

Just chill and have patience, there is no problem, just due dilligence (probably lol )
FFS Forget Carson, he's a tightwad who only got involved with us before throught his very good mate Diamond Mike. Carson won't part with another penny for STFC he only got 10% of his investment back last time, he won't want to be bitten again he is too tight, fact ! Stop worrying about the F/L this is normal procedure and always takes a few days. It's not been a problem for us before because we didn't have impending transfers, in fact we were under a transfer embargo during one takeover so we wern't looking at getting players in. Just chill and have patience, there is no problem, just due dilligence (probably lol ) Stilloyal

6:15pm Fri 1 Feb 13

Since 1950 says...

Pewsham Red wrote:
Oi Den! wrote: Wiz, I take your point. If you are right, what the hell was the club doing wasting everyone's time yesterday trying to do deals they had no authority to conclude? . Pewsham, I agree with you. Last night's statement was simply not enough. If the club believes it's just a question of time, why wasn't that said in the statement or at least clarified today? It's not the failure to sign these players that bothers me; it's what it might indicate about the general situation. If the prospective new owners see no cause for alarm, surely it wouldn't be too difficult to say so? Otherwise, there is a legitimate concern that the deal will not be approved - and we all know where the club would be heading then.
Absolutely Den. We may be worrying over nothing but if they issued a 'don't panic' statement and that all will be fine after x, y and z have been completed then we can relax. The fact they haven't really come clean and advised us of the next part of the process makes me and a lot of others nervous and may suggest all is not well.
Pewsham. I started to panic when it was clear that the new consortium couldn't stump up c£350k 'front money' so that PDC could keep Ritchie. Also the way they have treated PDC over the sale.

I know I might sound like a broken record now because I keep banging on about it - I know. But, it just happens to be true.
[quote][p][bold]Pewsham Red[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Oi Den![/bold] wrote: Wiz, I take your point. If you are right, what the hell was the club doing wasting everyone's time yesterday trying to do deals they had no authority to conclude? . Pewsham, I agree with you. Last night's statement was simply not enough. If the club believes it's just a question of time, why wasn't that said in the statement or at least clarified today? It's not the failure to sign these players that bothers me; it's what it might indicate about the general situation. If the prospective new owners see no cause for alarm, surely it wouldn't be too difficult to say so? Otherwise, there is a legitimate concern that the deal will not be approved - and we all know where the club would be heading then.[/p][/quote]Absolutely Den. We may be worrying over nothing but if they issued a 'don't panic' statement and that all will be fine after x, y and z have been completed then we can relax. The fact they haven't really come clean and advised us of the next part of the process makes me and a lot of others nervous and may suggest all is not well.[/p][/quote]Pewsham. I started to panic when it was clear that the new consortium couldn't stump up c£350k 'front money' so that PDC could keep Ritchie. Also the way they have treated PDC over the sale. I know I might sound like a broken record now because I keep banging on about it - I know. But, it just happens to be true. Since 1950

6:27pm Fri 1 Feb 13

eddyxx says...

The probable reason PDC was not informed about the Ritchie sale was Bournmouth moved quickly and i would assume PDC would have attempted to block the move causing no end of friction. The silence howether is deafening and somewhat alarming on the new owners identities. to say who they are would be of no significance to the outcome of the deal.
The probable reason PDC was not informed about the Ritchie sale was Bournmouth moved quickly and i would assume PDC would have attempted to block the move causing no end of friction. The silence howether is deafening and somewhat alarming on the new owners identities. to say who they are would be of no significance to the outcome of the deal. eddyxx

6:36pm Fri 1 Feb 13

Stilloyal says...

The old board arn't going to comment because basically they're all but gone. Watkins made a statement earlier and thats all we are gonna get this week.
The new boys wont say anything until the deal is ratified.

As I said before be patient and enjoy tomorrows win.


And on that note it's goodnight, I'm off to karaoke.
The old board arn't going to comment because basically they're all but gone. Watkins made a statement earlier and thats all we are gonna get this week. The new boys wont say anything until the deal is ratified. As I said before be patient and enjoy tomorrows win. And on that note it's goodnight, I'm off to karaoke. Stilloyal

6:40pm Fri 1 Feb 13

old town robin says...

If the old board had waited until after the transfer window closed before announcing their agreement with JM's concortium, probably the FL would not be blocking those loans now.

Seems to me the whole timing of events has been out of sync, thought they brought in some financial experts to make sure everything was satifactorily concluded, well not much so show from that then..

Someone mentioned 5 working days to ratify if a Director meets the requirements, so that will be next Wednesday before we know where we stand. Two important games to be played before then, so really hope we can maintain the challenge with what we've got and just concentrate on what we do on the field and not stress ourselves wiyh the mess off the field..
If the old board had waited until after the transfer window closed before announcing their agreement with JM's concortium, probably the FL would not be blocking those loans now. Seems to me the whole timing of events has been out of sync, thought they brought in some financial experts to make sure everything was satifactorily concluded, well not much so show from that then.. Someone mentioned 5 working days to ratify if a Director meets the requirements, so that will be next Wednesday before we know where we stand. Two important games to be played before then, so really hope we can maintain the challenge with what we've got and just concentrate on what we do on the field and not stress ourselves wiyh the mess off the field.. old town robin

6:50pm Fri 1 Feb 13

california andy says...

Diplomats = liars for a living. We just got some first hand experience of these wonderful folks at work. Knighthoods all around. Nervous times, and wish we got some news instead of rumours. Let's beat the Creepies and hope we can stay on track for the Championship.
Diplomats = liars for a living. We just got some first hand experience of these wonderful folks at work. Knighthoods all around. Nervous times, and wish we got some news instead of rumours. Let's beat the Creepies and hope we can stay on track for the Championship. california andy

7:17pm Fri 1 Feb 13

smirg kcab says...

dreamofacleansheet2 wrote:
Dear oh dear. Reasons to be cheerful:

1> We still have the Emperor leading us. (How I've no idea but this is the single most important thing).
2> We didn't sell anymore players we wanted to keep.
3> We didn't go into administration.
4> We are still third in the table.
5> We are unbeaten in 8 games.
6> We have the best defence, scored most goals and have the best goal difference in the league.
7> Even if we sign no one if we get lucky with injuries we still have a big chance of winning the league.
8> We've agreed the signing of 3 potentially excellent players to bolster our squad, including BWP who has scored a hat-full at this level.
9> Like others I've got Williams each way at 66-1 to be top goalscorer in the league.
10> Like Grim and others I still have a major chance on collecting on us for the title.
11> Like a player who doesn't want to play for the club, best the owner departs too.
12> Yesterday morning my instinct told me we were in real trouble and would lose players and the manager. Not 100% sure we are in the clear but has to be better than yesterday.
13> Point 1 We still have the Emperor.

Back to back to back promotions coming. Watching a managerial legend. Build a statue of him when he takes us into the Premiership.
Dreamo
Title secured with the three signings I'm sure, people still snigger at us.
A night for a big **** up I say
Bwp is a gem
Onwards and upwards
Eieieio to the bookies we will go
[quote][p][bold]dreamofacleansheet2[/bold] wrote: Dear oh dear. Reasons to be cheerful: 1> We still have the Emperor leading us. (How I've no idea but this is the single most important thing). 2> We didn't sell anymore players we wanted to keep. 3> We didn't go into administration. 4> We are still third in the table. 5> We are unbeaten in 8 games. 6> We have the best defence, scored most goals and have the best goal difference in the league. 7> Even if we sign no one if we get lucky with injuries we still have a big chance of winning the league. 8> We've agreed the signing of 3 potentially excellent players to bolster our squad, including BWP who has scored a hat-full at this level. 9> Like others I've got Williams each way at 66-1 to be top goalscorer in the league. 10> Like Grim and others I still have a major chance on collecting on us for the title. 11> Like a player who doesn't want to play for the club, best the owner departs too. 12> Yesterday morning my instinct told me we were in real trouble and would lose players and the manager. Not 100% sure we are in the clear but has to be better than yesterday. 13> Point 1 We still have the Emperor. Back to back to back promotions coming. Watching a managerial legend. Build a statue of him when he takes us into the Premiership.[/p][/quote]Dreamo Title secured with the three signings I'm sure, people still snigger at us. A night for a big **** up I say Bwp is a gem Onwards and upwards Eieieio to the bookies we will go smirg kcab

7:20pm Fri 1 Feb 13

LydiardRED67 says...

PDC now stating his position is unclear. This is all starting to unravell rather worryingly.

We need FL clearance ASAP.
PDC now stating his position is unclear. This is all starting to unravell rather worryingly. We need FL clearance ASAP. LydiardRED67

8:02pm Fri 1 Feb 13

mancrobin says...

Brainy_G93 wrote:
What constitutes an emergency loan?
A fiver out of yer missus' handbag on the way to the boozer.

Just popping out for a few pints with the Guv, so will be posting all the real goss later.
[quote][p][bold]Brainy_G93[/bold] wrote: What constitutes an emergency loan?[/p][/quote]A fiver out of yer missus' handbag on the way to the boozer. Just popping out for a few pints with the Guv, so will be posting all the real goss later. mancrobin

8:29pm Fri 1 Feb 13

Since 1950 says...

Well, for all those with rose tinted glasses, please see the latest headlines!

What a mucking fess!

Thanks Mr Black for saving out club. That didn't give you the right to screw us over!

Felt sick over the last couple of days. Now I think i'm gonna throw up!
Well, for all those with rose tinted glasses, please see the latest headlines! What a mucking fess! Thanks Mr Black for saving out club. That didn't give you the right to screw us over! Felt sick over the last couple of days. Now I think i'm gonna throw up! Since 1950

9:18pm Fri 1 Feb 13

the wizard says...

WOT !!!!!! No Gov then, where are you !!!!!!!!
WOT !!!!!! No Gov then, where are you !!!!!!!! the wizard

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