Watkins urges Town fans to relax as talks reach advanced stage

The Wiltshire Gazette and Herald: Town chief executive Nick Watkins Town chief executive Nick Watkins

SWINDON Town chief executive Nick Watkins has confirmed that talks with a handful of potential new owners are at “an advanced stage”.

The Robins are currently negotiating the sale of a large chunk of majority shareholder Andrew Black’s 98 per cent stake in Town, after the Betfair founder stated that he is unwilling to pump any more of his personal wealth into the club.

The Advertiser understands there remain three parties whose interest is being treated with serious consideration by the Swindon board, of which one is believed to be ahead in their discussions.

It is understood that a deal could be reached as early as next week.

A new foreign owner is still not out of the question, but the Adver has learnt that a domestic consortium is currently leading the way.

Watkins moved to ease fans’ worries by emphasising that talks regarding a potential takeover at the County Ground remain positive.

“STFC appreciates that the fanbase is anxious for news pertaining to the introduction of new investors to replace Andrew Black,” he said.

“Since Andrew Black announced his desire to exit Swindon Town, some members of the STFC board have been working intensely in an effort to identify new investors and secure their interest.

“A number of potential investor groups have been identified and discussions with some are at an advanced stage but there is still some work to do, in order to bring this interest successfully home.

“Due diligence should take limited time because everything is prepared and the club records are very detailed, but time remains the issue and everything is being done achieve the time lines.”

Away from the boardroom, the Advertiser has been told that reports linking Crystal Palace with a bid for Matt Ritchie are wide of the mark. It is understood that no formal approaches have been received for the winger.

Meanwhile, two products of Swindon’s youth academy were yesterday day called up as standby to the Wales Under 21 squad for the clash with Iceland.

Aaron Oakley and Louis Thompson could now feature in the friendly, which is due to take place on February 6.

Finally, Town have announced an open training session will be held at the County Ground on Wednesday, February 13 - between 10am and 1pm - which fans are welcome to attend for free.

Four new dates have also been announced for stadium tours during the February half-term, priced at £8 for adults and £4 for concessions. The tours are scheduled to run between February 11 and 15. For more information and to book your place email chris@swindontownfc.co.uk or call 08448801101.

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6:07am Thu 24 Jan 13

bowralbob says...

Sounds like Andrew Fitton may be rounding up a few wealthy investors who would join him by buying Mr. Blacks majority share?
Sounds like Andrew Fitton may be rounding up a few wealthy investors who would join him by buying Mr. Blacks majority share? bowralbob
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6:21am Thu 24 Jan 13

mallorca says...

Sounds positive,just hope that they are football people and do want the club to succeed.
However is a worrying time.
Sounds positive,just hope that they are football people and do want the club to succeed. However is a worrying time. mallorca
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6:36am Thu 24 Jan 13

Ollie Reed's Parky dance! says...

I want Sheik de Money
I want Sheik de Money Ollie Reed's Parky dance!
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6:44am Thu 24 Jan 13

stfc2012 says...

Palace in for Ritchie. Source Sky Sports.
Palace in for Ritchie. Source Sky Sports. stfc2012
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6:45am Thu 24 Jan 13

stfclondon says...

It all sounds very positive. I think this bit is key:

“Due diligence should take limited time because everything is prepared and the club records are very detailed..."

No more skeletons in the closet, like in the bad old days. We should be very grateful for what the current regime has done for our club - I include Wray, Fitton et al in that.
It all sounds very positive. I think this bit is key: “Due diligence should take limited time because everything is prepared and the club records are very detailed..." No more skeletons in the closet, like in the bad old days. We should be very grateful for what the current regime has done for our club - I include Wray, Fitton et al in that. stfclondon
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6:52am Thu 24 Jan 13

DarrenSTFCRomain says...

As i said last week let the boys do there work.So sit back and enjoy the ride..
Dont 4get..
WERE NEVER DIE
WERE KEEP THE RED FLAG FLYING HIGH AS
SWINDON TOWN
WILL NEVER DIE...
As i said last week let the boys do there work.So sit back and enjoy the ride.. Dont 4get.. WERE NEVER DIE WERE KEEP THE RED FLAG FLYING HIGH AS SWINDON TOWN WILL NEVER DIE... DarrenSTFCRomain
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6:58am Thu 24 Jan 13

peatmoor pirate says...

Sounds positive; just hope its not Ken Bates
Sounds positive; just hope its not Ken Bates peatmoor pirate
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7:13am Thu 24 Jan 13

KojaktheWarg says...

stfc2012 wrote:
Palace in for Ritchie. Source Sky Sports.
...for £500,000 according to the daily mail. Thats what we turned down from Bournemouth so Palace clearly think we have a fire sale!? -

In todays market that is puny for someone so good. Keep him on!
[quote][p][bold]stfc2012[/bold] wrote: Palace in for Ritchie. Source Sky Sports.[/p][/quote]...for £500,000 according to the daily mail. Thats what we turned down from Bournemouth so Palace clearly think we have a fire sale!? - In todays market that is puny for someone so good. Keep him on! KojaktheWarg
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7:24am Thu 24 Jan 13

Exmouth_red69 says...

stfc2012 wrote:
Palace in for Ritchie. Source Sky Sports.
Millwall also showing interest! let's hope we price him out of a move.
[quote][p][bold]stfc2012[/bold] wrote: Palace in for Ritchie. Source Sky Sports.[/p][/quote]Millwall also showing interest! let's hope we price him out of a move. Exmouth_red69
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7:33am Thu 24 Jan 13

Rebel_phish says...

We're going to get silly offers in for players as other clubs come sniffing for a bargin. There's none to be had here. We have a situation at the club, but not a crisis where everything must go.

If the aim is still for promotion in 1/2 seasons, why sell your core squad players? The new boys will want to see results and I would think the aim is to get Championship football as soon as.
We're going to get silly offers in for players as other clubs come sniffing for a bargin. There's none to be had here. We have a situation at the club, but not a crisis where everything must go. If the aim is still for promotion in 1/2 seasons, why sell your core squad players? The new boys will want to see results and I would think the aim is to get Championship football as soon as. Rebel_phish
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7:40am Thu 24 Jan 13

International Robin2 says...

Situation is similar to last season with Bournemouth.. Offering way under value thinking the player would jump at it but Ritchie knows that he doesn't have to move clubs to potentially be Championship football next season!
Situation is similar to last season with Bournemouth.. Offering way under value thinking the player would jump at it but Ritchie knows that he doesn't have to move clubs to potentially be Championship football next season! International Robin2
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7:55am Thu 24 Jan 13

ShearerShearer says...

No need to panic, let's wait and see what the deal is.

On another subject just watched the "Hazard incident".

Is the ball boy's surname Suarez?

Quite clearly he kicks under his body at the ball, sending off was a joke (an no I'm not a Chelski fan, Im quite happy to see Swansea v Bradford in the final).
No need to panic, let's wait and see what the deal is. On another subject just watched the "Hazard incident". Is the ball boy's surname Suarez? Quite clearly he kicks under his body at the ball, sending off was a joke (an no I'm not a Chelski fan, Im quite happy to see Swansea v Bradford in the final). ShearerShearer
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8:02am Thu 24 Jan 13

Stickshaker says...

Thank god, not another Panic Thursday!
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Reg says so!
Thank god, not another Panic Thursday! . Reg says so! Stickshaker
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8:27am Thu 24 Jan 13

dreamofacleansheet2 says...

Mmm here we go, hang in everyone. As I said last week when Watkins said 7 potential investors. It meant one or two. Now we are down to an official three that is probably one. We only need one but I remain extremely nervous about this.

Dear Mr Watkins

I'll relax when you come out and tell me the ink is dry on the contracts and we know who it is. Until then you're having a laugh. Nothing to relax about but I look forward to be proven wrong.

I look forward to hearing from you as soon as possible...

Yours forever a Town fan

Dreamo
Mmm here we go, hang in everyone. As I said last week when Watkins said 7 potential investors. It meant one or two. Now we are down to an official three that is probably one. We only need one but I remain extremely nervous about this. Dear Mr Watkins I'll relax when you come out and tell me the ink is dry on the contracts and we know who it is. Until then you're having a laugh. Nothing to relax about but I look forward to be proven wrong. I look forward to hearing from you as soon as possible... Yours forever a Town fan Dreamo dreamofacleansheet2
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8:40am Thu 24 Jan 13

London Red says...

If we were in real trouble both Benson and Flint would be at Bradford now!
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Both would have had it spelt out to them that not moving would see administration so told to go - like Ndah was (turned down Portsmouth before being told to go to Wolves)
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Bournemouth offered about 900k in the end so we will not sell for £500k
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Ritchie will still be our player for Crawley
If we were in real trouble both Benson and Flint would be at Bradford now! . Both would have had it spelt out to them that not moving would see administration so told to go - like Ndah was (turned down Portsmouth before being told to go to Wolves) . Bournemouth offered about 900k in the end so we will not sell for £500k . Ritchie will still be our player for Crawley London Red
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8:43am Thu 24 Jan 13

SAPFanSTFC says...

dreamofacleansheet2 wrote:
Mmm here we go, hang in everyone. As I said last week when Watkins said 7 potential investors. It meant one or two. Now we are down to an official three that is probably one. We only need one but I remain extremely nervous about this.

Dear Mr Watkins

I'll relax when you come out and tell me the ink is dry on the contracts and we know who it is. Until then you're having a laugh. Nothing to relax about but I look forward to be proven wrong.

I look forward to hearing from you as soon as possible...

Yours forever a Town fan

Dreamo
:-)
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I never trust anything he say's now as he is there for one thing and one thing only..."aren't things wonderful..." and "everything is fine..." that is his job.
---.
I'm sure things are progressing but I'll wait to hear see the sold sign put up - and not the one with 'Subject to Contract' tagged across it.
[quote][p][bold]dreamofacleansheet2[/bold] wrote: Mmm here we go, hang in everyone. As I said last week when Watkins said 7 potential investors. It meant one or two. Now we are down to an official three that is probably one. We only need one but I remain extremely nervous about this. Dear Mr Watkins I'll relax when you come out and tell me the ink is dry on the contracts and we know who it is. Until then you're having a laugh. Nothing to relax about but I look forward to be proven wrong. I look forward to hearing from you as soon as possible... Yours forever a Town fan Dreamo[/p][/quote]:-) ---- I never trust anything he say's now as he is there for one thing and one thing only..."aren't things wonderful..." and "everything is fine..." that is his job. ---. I'm sure things are progressing but I'll wait to hear see the sold sign put up - and not the one with 'Subject to Contract' tagged across it. SAPFanSTFC
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8:48am Thu 24 Jan 13

Oxon-Red says...

Whoever it turns out to be I just hope they don't mess up all the hard work that has been done so far this season by selling players to balance the books.

Hopefully they will recognise what a great chance we have of achieving promotion and invest initially to allow Paolo to sign Martin, Hollands and perhaps one more until the end of the season.

COYMR
Whoever it turns out to be I just hope they don't mess up all the hard work that has been done so far this season by selling players to balance the books. Hopefully they will recognise what a great chance we have of achieving promotion and invest initially to allow Paolo to sign Martin, Hollands and perhaps one more until the end of the season. COYMR Oxon-Red
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9:08am Thu 24 Jan 13

mallorca says...

Appears the Vultures are circling again,if MR goes it will not be for 500.000 as Pdc said last year if the right offer came in and he said 2 million pounds the club would consider.
At this time befor a pontial sale of the club i do think it would be wise for all to remain in place.
as posts have said that Fl Paper ,plus BBC have a lot to answer fot and certain TV Pundits alas the damage has been donr.
One last point would be nice to see JW back at HIS club
Appears the Vultures are circling again,if MR goes it will not be for 500.000 as Pdc said last year if the right offer came in and he said 2 million pounds the club would consider. At this time befor a pontial sale of the club i do think it would be wise for all to remain in place. as posts have said that Fl Paper ,plus BBC have a lot to answer fot and certain TV Pundits alas the damage has been donr. One last point would be nice to see JW back at HIS club mallorca
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9:16am Thu 24 Jan 13

Rebel_phish says...

So, Just another quiet, normal day in the life of an STFC fan.
So, Just another quiet, normal day in the life of an STFC fan. Rebel_phish
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9:20am Thu 24 Jan 13

London Red says...

BBC have a stiory on this and Matt doesn't seem to bothered by it - says he is flattered but happy at STFC and thinks we can go far especially under PdC
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Seems PdC is the real key here - if he is staying players like Ritchie are staying!
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BBC have a stiory on this and Matt doesn't seem to bothered by it - says he is flattered but happy at STFC and thinks we can go far especially under PdC . Seems PdC is the real key here - if he is staying players like Ritchie are staying! . London Red
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9:25am Thu 24 Jan 13

avo says...

7....6...5...4...3..
...
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1 week on, 4 potential investors gone.
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we only need 1 tho folks.
7....6...5...4...3.. ... . 1 week on, 4 potential investors gone. . we only need 1 tho folks. avo
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9:26am Thu 24 Jan 13

avo says...

P.S I'm not panicking tho Mr Watkins...
P.S I'm not panicking tho Mr Watkins... avo
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9:30am Thu 24 Jan 13

Another view says...

As LR the club could have off-loaded Benson and Flint, not to mention Cox when Oxford made an offer. We can't be that desperate, so all we know at the moment are that there is no need to panic - not just yet : )
As LR the club could have off-loaded Benson and Flint, not to mention Cox when Oxford made an offer. We can't be that desperate, so all we know at the moment are that there is no need to panic - not just yet : ) Another view
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9:31am Thu 24 Jan 13

the don69 says...

London Red wrote:
BBC have a stiory on this and Matt doesn't seem to bothered by it - says he is flattered but happy at STFC and thinks we can go far especially under PdC
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Seems PdC is the real key here - if he is staying players like Ritchie are staying!
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Yes your right LR Paolo is the key!so we don't want Mr Fitton any where near Paolo,cause there chalk and cheese and it would be bye-bye Paolo if he comes back!!!!!!!!!
[quote][p][bold]London Red[/bold] wrote: BBC have a stiory on this and Matt doesn't seem to bothered by it - says he is flattered but happy at STFC and thinks we can go far especially under PdC . Seems PdC is the real key here - if he is staying players like Ritchie are staying! .[/p][/quote]Yes your right LR Paolo is the key!so we don't want Mr Fitton any where near Paolo,cause there chalk and cheese and it would be bye-bye Paolo if he comes back!!!!!!!!! the don69
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9:44am Thu 24 Jan 13

Old-Stager, Hilperton says...

the don69 wrote:
London Red wrote:
BBC have a stiory on this and Matt doesn't seem to bothered by it - says he is flattered but happy at STFC and thinks we can go far especially under PdC
.
Seems PdC is the real key here - if he is staying players like Ritchie are staying!
.
Yes your right LR Paolo is the key!so we don't want Mr Fitton any where near Paolo,cause there chalk and cheese and it would be bye-bye Paolo if he comes back!!!!!!!!!
Surely we would all give Andrew Fitton a very warm welcome back to the County Ground !
[quote][p][bold]the don69[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]London Red[/bold] wrote: BBC have a stiory on this and Matt doesn't seem to bothered by it - says he is flattered but happy at STFC and thinks we can go far especially under PdC . Seems PdC is the real key here - if he is staying players like Ritchie are staying! .[/p][/quote]Yes your right LR Paolo is the key!so we don't want Mr Fitton any where near Paolo,cause there chalk and cheese and it would be bye-bye Paolo if he comes back!!!!!!!!![/p][/quote]Surely we would all give Andrew Fitton a very warm welcome back to the County Ground ! Old-Stager, Hilperton
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9:51am Thu 24 Jan 13

billbst says...

I much prefer the thought that a home grown consortium is involved. The idea that some mega rich Sheik M'pocketsout might be willing to put some of his lose change in our direction doesn't do it for me. (Of course we do have history and they have to be viable.) Sorry Nick still on panic alert in my house. Interested to hear what Paolo has to say later. I started off thinking that he might be a liability for the club as a manager. Today I hear people refer to him in the the sale conversations as one of the great assets of the club. Without any doubt he is - a gem. Superb through recent weeks. Strong and truthful.
I much prefer the thought that a home grown consortium is involved. The idea that some mega rich Sheik M'pocketsout might be willing to put some of his lose change in our direction doesn't do it for me. (Of course we do have history and they have to be viable.) Sorry Nick still on panic alert in my house. Interested to hear what Paolo has to say later. I started off thinking that he might be a liability for the club as a manager. Today I hear people refer to him in the the sale conversations as one of the great assets of the club. Without any doubt he is - a gem. Superb through recent weeks. Strong and truthful. billbst
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9:57am Thu 24 Jan 13

Wonder Strike says...

I would love Fitton back. He will always be a legend.
I would love Fitton back. He will always be a legend. Wonder Strike
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9:58am Thu 24 Jan 13

Med Red says...

Old-Stager, Hilperton wrote:
the don69 wrote:
London Red wrote:
BBC have a stiory on this and Matt doesn't seem to bothered by it - says he is flattered but happy at STFC and thinks we can go far especially under PdC
.
Seems PdC is the real key here - if he is staying players like Ritchie are staying!
.
Yes your right LR Paolo is the key!so we don't want Mr Fitton any where near Paolo,cause there chalk and cheese and it would be bye-bye Paolo if he comes back!!!!!!!!!
Surely we would all give Andrew Fitton a very warm welcome back to the County Ground !
Fitton back as Chairman would be a disaster. Paolo would leave, players would be sold to balance the books and relegation would loom large...... why would anyone want that back?

Bring back J Wray!!
[quote][p][bold]Old-Stager, Hilperton[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]the don69[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]London Red[/bold] wrote: BBC have a stiory on this and Matt doesn't seem to bothered by it - says he is flattered but happy at STFC and thinks we can go far especially under PdC . Seems PdC is the real key here - if he is staying players like Ritchie are staying! .[/p][/quote]Yes your right LR Paolo is the key!so we don't want Mr Fitton any where near Paolo,cause there chalk and cheese and it would be bye-bye Paolo if he comes back!!!!!!!!![/p][/quote]Surely we would all give Andrew Fitton a very warm welcome back to the County Ground ![/p][/quote]Fitton back as Chairman would be a disaster. Paolo would leave, players would be sold to balance the books and relegation would loom large...... why would anyone want that back? Bring back J Wray!! Med Red
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10:10am Thu 24 Jan 13

sadgit says...

As previously stated any Fitton/Di Canio partnership seems doomed to failure purely on Fittons views on footballers agents.
Lets hope there are more favourable options.
As previously stated any Fitton/Di Canio partnership seems doomed to failure purely on Fittons views on footballers agents. Lets hope there are more favourable options. sadgit
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10:16am Thu 24 Jan 13

mallorca says...

Lets be honest if AF can put investors together to obtain AB's shares why not????
All we have been told there pontential buyers.
If it comes down to wire do we want AF etc or possible administration?????
For me any option without administration has to be considered.OK AF made a few mistakes so has Pdc so lets await the outcome.
All I truly hope is we find people who will take the club forward.
I also wish Swindon council could give the club a bit of support as what would they do with the CG if the club folds,BUILD HOUSES no doubt_????especially when e have been told it's for sports only why dont they build a stadium or be partners in one.
Lets be honest if AF can put investors together to obtain AB's shares why not???? All we have been told there pontential buyers. If it comes down to wire do we want AF etc or possible administration????? For me any option without administration has to be considered.OK AF made a few mistakes so has Pdc so lets await the outcome. All I truly hope is we find people who will take the club forward. I also wish Swindon council could give the club a bit of support as what would they do with the CG if the club folds,BUILD HOUSES no doubt_????especially when e have been told it's for sports only why dont they build a stadium or be partners in one. mallorca
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10:27am Thu 24 Jan 13

eastmidsred says...

All the speculation might be fun or just reflect our anxiety. However, I would just say this about Jeremy Wray - he let the situation get out of control and therefore is partly responsible for the financial mess despite all the good things which he did, especially bringing Paolo in. I'm not so keen to bring back JW. The new owners will need very deep pockets to establish and sustain us as a Championship side and also be able to work with PdC while keeping things under control. We don't want a repeat in two years time.
All the speculation might be fun or just reflect our anxiety. However, I would just say this about Jeremy Wray - he let the situation get out of control and therefore is partly responsible for the financial mess despite all the good things which he did, especially bringing Paolo in. I'm not so keen to bring back JW. The new owners will need very deep pockets to establish and sustain us as a Championship side and also be able to work with PdC while keeping things under control. We don't want a repeat in two years time. eastmidsred
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10:37am Thu 24 Jan 13

redrobin-69 says...

SAPFanSTFC wrote:
dreamofacleansheet2 wrote: Mmm here we go, hang in everyone. As I said last week when Watkins said 7 potential investors. It meant one or two. Now we are down to an official three that is probably one. We only need one but I remain extremely nervous about this. Dear Mr Watkins I'll relax when you come out and tell me the ink is dry on the contracts and we know who it is. Until then you're having a laugh. Nothing to relax about but I look forward to be proven wrong. I look forward to hearing from you as soon as possible... Yours forever a Town fan Dreamo
:-) ---- I never trust anything he say's now as he is there for one thing and one thing only..."aren't things wonderful..." and "everything is fine..." that is his job. ---. I'm sure things are progressing but I'll wait to hear see the sold sign put up - and not the one with 'Subject to Contract' tagged across it.
You two need to start giving this man some serious credit. He has been the heart of the Swindon body these past five years, never put a foot wrong and only ever delivered on any word he has said. He is one of the most genuine men to walk this town too: always has time to chat to fans on match day and gauge their feelings and has been the head behind all the positive change this club has seen recently. Yes, the men with the money get the praise because ultimately they fund it behind this man is the guy who has to come up with the ideas, ask for the money and then make sure it happens successfully. It is the reassurance that the club is in good hands day to day that has led to the likes of Black being willing to pump in 10 million – ultimately, the thanks needs to go to Watkins for managing the place day in day out and slogging away out of the spotlightwithout receiving much praise.
[quote][p][bold]SAPFanSTFC[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]dreamofacleansheet2[/bold] wrote: Mmm here we go, hang in everyone. As I said last week when Watkins said 7 potential investors. It meant one or two. Now we are down to an official three that is probably one. We only need one but I remain extremely nervous about this. Dear Mr Watkins I'll relax when you come out and tell me the ink is dry on the contracts and we know who it is. Until then you're having a laugh. Nothing to relax about but I look forward to be proven wrong. I look forward to hearing from you as soon as possible... Yours forever a Town fan Dreamo[/p][/quote]:-) ---- I never trust anything he say's now as he is there for one thing and one thing only..."aren't things wonderful..." and "everything is fine..." that is his job. ---. I'm sure things are progressing but I'll wait to hear see the sold sign put up - and not the one with 'Subject to Contract' tagged across it.[/p][/quote]You two need to start giving this man some serious credit. He has been the heart of the Swindon body these past five years, never put a foot wrong and only ever delivered on any word he has said. He is one of the most genuine men to walk this town too: always has time to chat to fans on match day and gauge their feelings and has been the head behind all the positive change this club has seen recently. Yes, the men with the money get the praise because ultimately they fund it behind this man is the guy who has to come up with the ideas, ask for the money and then make sure it happens successfully. It is the reassurance that the club is in good hands day to day that has led to the likes of Black being willing to pump in 10 million – ultimately, the thanks needs to go to Watkins for managing the place day in day out and slogging away out of the spotlightwithout receiving much praise. redrobin-69
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10:53am Thu 24 Jan 13

Oi Den! says...

The varying opinions on both AF and JW prove one thing to me - how difficult it is for a club of our size to get the balance right between the finances and the football ambition. One thing's for sure. I'd not sell Ritchie or any of our star players at the moment for anything except very silly money, because it would be changing a winning formula. As we've seen on too many occasions in the past, a successful run has been brought to an abrupt halt by the sale of an influential player. I'm not suggesting we are a one man team - or even that Ritchie is the best player in it - but we upset the balance at our peril.
The varying opinions on both AF and JW prove one thing to me - how difficult it is for a club of our size to get the balance right between the finances and the football ambition. One thing's for sure. I'd not sell Ritchie or any of our star players at the moment for anything except very silly money, because it would be changing a winning formula. As we've seen on too many occasions in the past, a successful run has been brought to an abrupt halt by the sale of an influential player. I'm not suggesting we are a one man team - or even that Ritchie is the best player in it - but we upset the balance at our peril. Oi Den!
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10:58am Thu 24 Jan 13

FORZASTFC says...

KojaktheWarg wrote:
stfc2012 wrote:
Palace in for Ritchie. Source Sky Sports.
...for £500,000 according to the daily mail. Thats what we turned down from Bournemouth so Palace clearly think we have a fire sale!? -

In todays market that is puny for someone so good. Keep him on!
Di Canio stated a while back that he wouldn't even be looking at bids at no less than £2 million, so they can all "JOG ON".
[quote][p][bold]KojaktheWarg[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]stfc2012[/bold] wrote: Palace in for Ritchie. Source Sky Sports.[/p][/quote]...for £500,000 according to the daily mail. Thats what we turned down from Bournemouth so Palace clearly think we have a fire sale!? - In todays market that is puny for someone so good. Keep him on![/p][/quote]Di Canio stated a while back that he wouldn't even be looking at bids at no less than £2 million, so they can all "JOG ON". FORZASTFC
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11:03am Thu 24 Jan 13

madterrier says...

Well said, redrobin.
Well said, redrobin. madterrier
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11:03am Thu 24 Jan 13

STFC MARLOW says...

The first paragraph says Nick Watkins was the founder of Betfair. I thought tht was Andrew Fitton? Was it meant to say Andrew Fitton and he was not willing to put his money into the club? Is Andrew Fitton one of the parties talking to STFC? A bit confused.

I hope whatever happens its going to be the best for STFC.

In Paolo we trust.
The first paragraph says Nick Watkins was the founder of Betfair. I thought tht was Andrew Fitton? Was it meant to say Andrew Fitton and he was not willing to put his money into the club? Is Andrew Fitton one of the parties talking to STFC? A bit confused. I hope whatever happens its going to be the best for STFC. In Paolo we trust. STFC MARLOW
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11:12am Thu 24 Jan 13

stfc2012 says...

Ritchie not worth 2m. 1m max at the moment. Not proven at championship level. Stick a sell on of 20 per cent.
Ritchie not worth 2m. 1m max at the moment. Not proven at championship level. Stick a sell on of 20 per cent. stfc2012
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11:23am Thu 24 Jan 13

redrobin-69 says...

madterrier wrote:
Well said, redrobin.
Thanks mate: just think it's important we take some time to praise these guys and in particukar Watkins as opposed to always jumping to the negatives. A lot of hard work goes unnoticed
[quote][p][bold]madterrier[/bold] wrote: Well said, redrobin.[/p][/quote]Thanks mate: just think it's important we take some time to praise these guys and in particukar Watkins as opposed to always jumping to the negatives. A lot of hard work goes unnoticed redrobin-69
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11:26am Thu 24 Jan 13

grove red says...

Ritchie is worth what we can get for him if pdc says its 2 million then so be it. Zaha is not worth 10 million he's not played in the prem but if that's palaces price and they stick by it fair play. The problem in the past we have been giving players away on the cheap ie Austin cox. Lets stick to our guns for a change its 2million with a sell on clause. Coyr.
Ritchie is worth what we can get for him if pdc says its 2 million then so be it. Zaha is not worth 10 million he's not played in the prem but if that's palaces price and they stick by it fair play. The problem in the past we have been giving players away on the cheap ie Austin cox. Lets stick to our guns for a change its 2million with a sell on clause. Coyr. grove red
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11:35am Thu 24 Jan 13

BillyLucas4me says...

Mallorca said:_????especially when we have been told it's for sports only why don't they build a stadium.
"

Confusion here I am afraid. The embargo on uses other than childrens' sport applies only to the County Ground EXTENSION which came about in the mid-thirties when a benefactor gave the land.
.The Football Ground and ( probably the cricket ground and bowling green) are owned by the Town Council.
The Club did wn the ground but entered into a 'sale and lease-back agreement with the Swindon Corporation, an arrangement that came about to solve the financial difficulties of the Club (again)! and this gave the club a lease (for the use of the Football Ground)

This arrangement obviously precluded the ability to sell the ground and build a new stadium as many other clubs have done. So what appeared to be a good way out of trouble all those years ago came home to bite us.yagg

achildren.
Mallorca said:_????especially when we have been told it's for sports only why don't they build a stadium. " Confusion here I am afraid. The embargo on uses other than childrens' sport applies only to the County Ground EXTENSION which came about in the mid-thirties when a benefactor gave the land. .The Football Ground and ( probably the cricket ground and bowling green) are owned by the Town Council. The Club did wn the ground but entered into a 'sale and lease-back agreement with the Swindon Corporation, an arrangement that came about to solve the financial difficulties of the Club (again)! and this gave the club a lease (for the use of the Football Ground) This arrangement obviously precluded the ability to sell the ground and build a new stadium as many other clubs have done. So what appeared to be a good way out of trouble all those years ago came home to bite us.yagg achildren. BillyLucas4me
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11:37am Thu 24 Jan 13

old town robin says...

Old-Stager, Hilperton wrote:
the don69 wrote:
London Red wrote:
BBC have a stiory on this and Matt doesn't seem to bothered by it - says he is flattered but happy at STFC and thinks we can go far especially under PdC
.
Seems PdC is the real key here - if he is staying players like Ritchie are staying!
.
Yes your right LR Paolo is the key!so we don't want Mr Fitton any where near Paolo,cause there chalk and cheese and it would be bye-bye Paolo if he comes back!!!!!!!!!
Surely we would all give Andrew Fitton a very warm welcome back to the County Ground !
Maybe we would give him a warm welcome, but not as the chairman. Yes, agreed he did a very good job with the financials. But on the footballing side his dithering and indecision caused us problems.

When Malpas was appointed, he said he was the best candidate by far.
He left Wilson to continue for too long because he was basically a YES man that would not stand up to him, in the end Wilson resigned he was not sacked When he brought in Hart to replace him, the job was practically promised to him regardless of results, it was only Fitton's departure and JW interim chairmanship move that prevented that happening..
His dealings in the market was also not that great, he sold key players and up and coming youths to balance the books. He refused to work with agents and how many times did we hear of interest in players that went somewhere else.
He gave up the chair because he wanted to concentrate on his business opportunities in the States, has that changed?

As with everyone else I don't have a problem if Andrew Fitton returned as part of a new concortium, but if he was reappointed as the chairman I don't think it would work out with him and Paolo together, in fact it would probably be worse than it is with SWP, because he is a control freak and I could see him interfering with how Paolo manages the players.

Just my thoughts, I'm sure there will be a few that see it differently.
[quote][p][bold]Old-Stager, Hilperton[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]the don69[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]London Red[/bold] wrote: BBC have a stiory on this and Matt doesn't seem to bothered by it - says he is flattered but happy at STFC and thinks we can go far especially under PdC . Seems PdC is the real key here - if he is staying players like Ritchie are staying! .[/p][/quote]Yes your right LR Paolo is the key!so we don't want Mr Fitton any where near Paolo,cause there chalk and cheese and it would be bye-bye Paolo if he comes back!!!!!!!!![/p][/quote]Surely we would all give Andrew Fitton a very warm welcome back to the County Ground ![/p][/quote]Maybe we would give him a warm welcome, but not as the chairman. Yes, agreed he did a very good job with the financials. But on the footballing side his dithering and indecision caused us problems. When Malpas was appointed, he said he was the best candidate by far. He left Wilson to continue for too long because he was basically a YES man that would not stand up to him, in the end Wilson resigned he was not sacked When he brought in Hart to replace him, the job was practically promised to him regardless of results, it was only Fitton's departure and JW interim chairmanship move that prevented that happening.. His dealings in the market was also not that great, he sold key players and up and coming youths to balance the books. He refused to work with agents and how many times did we hear of interest in players that went somewhere else. He gave up the chair because he wanted to concentrate on his business opportunities in the States, has that changed? As with everyone else I don't have a problem if Andrew Fitton returned as part of a new concortium, but if he was reappointed as the chairman I don't think it would work out with him and Paolo together, in fact it would probably be worse than it is with SWP, because he is a control freak and I could see him interfering with how Paolo manages the players. Just my thoughts, I'm sure there will be a few that see it differently. old town robin
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11:37am Thu 24 Jan 13

Med Red says...

STFC MARLOW wrote:
The first paragraph says Nick Watkins was the founder of Betfair. I thought tht was Andrew Fitton? Was it meant to say Andrew Fitton and he was not willing to put his money into the club? Is Andrew Fitton one of the parties talking to STFC? A bit confused.

I hope whatever happens its going to be the best for STFC.

In Paolo we trust.
The 2nd paragraph says....

"The Robins are currently negotiating the sale of a large chunk of majority shareholder Andrew Black’s 98 per cent stake in Town, after the Betfair founder stated that he is unwilling to pump any more of his personal wealth into the club"

Andrew Black’s the man who's pumped his money into STFC not Nick Watkins or Andrew Fitton.
[quote][p][bold]STFC MARLOW[/bold] wrote: The first paragraph says Nick Watkins was the founder of Betfair. I thought tht was Andrew Fitton? Was it meant to say Andrew Fitton and he was not willing to put his money into the club? Is Andrew Fitton one of the parties talking to STFC? A bit confused. I hope whatever happens its going to be the best for STFC. In Paolo we trust.[/p][/quote]The 2nd paragraph says.... "The Robins are currently negotiating the sale of a large chunk of majority shareholder Andrew Black’s 98 per cent stake in Town, after the Betfair founder stated that he is unwilling to pump any more of his personal wealth into the club" Andrew Black’s the man who's pumped his money into STFC not Nick Watkins or Andrew Fitton. Med Red
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11:41am Thu 24 Jan 13

BillyLucas4me says...

Typo For 'wn' read '
'the children' (at the end) got in under the gate!
Typo For 'wn' read ' 'the children' (at the end) got in under the gate! BillyLucas4me
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11:42am Thu 24 Jan 13

Med Red says...

old town robin wrote:
Old-Stager, Hilperton wrote:
the don69 wrote:
London Red wrote:
BBC have a stiory on this and Matt doesn't seem to bothered by it - says he is flattered but happy at STFC and thinks we can go far especially under PdC
.
Seems PdC is the real key here - if he is staying players like Ritchie are staying!
.
Yes your right LR Paolo is the key!so we don't want Mr Fitton any where near Paolo,cause there chalk and cheese and it would be bye-bye Paolo if he comes back!!!!!!!!!
Surely we would all give Andrew Fitton a very warm welcome back to the County Ground !
Maybe we would give him a warm welcome, but not as the chairman. Yes, agreed he did a very good job with the financials. But on the footballing side his dithering and indecision caused us problems.

When Malpas was appointed, he said he was the best candidate by far.
He left Wilson to continue for too long because he was basically a YES man that would not stand up to him, in the end Wilson resigned he was not sacked When he brought in Hart to replace him, the job was practically promised to him regardless of results, it was only Fitton's departure and JW interim chairmanship move that prevented that happening..
His dealings in the market was also not that great, he sold key players and up and coming youths to balance the books. He refused to work with agents and how many times did we hear of interest in players that went somewhere else.
He gave up the chair because he wanted to concentrate on his business opportunities in the States, has that changed?

As with everyone else I don't have a problem if Andrew Fitton returned as part of a new concortium, but if he was reappointed as the chairman I don't think it would work out with him and Paolo together, in fact it would probably be worse than it is with SWP, because he is a control freak and I could see him interfering with how Paolo manages the players.

Just my thoughts, I'm sure there will be a few that see it differently.
Totally agree! Fitton's re-appointment as Chairman would divide fans. Let's hope it never happens.
[quote][p][bold]old town robin[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Old-Stager, Hilperton[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]the don69[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]London Red[/bold] wrote: BBC have a stiory on this and Matt doesn't seem to bothered by it - says he is flattered but happy at STFC and thinks we can go far especially under PdC . Seems PdC is the real key here - if he is staying players like Ritchie are staying! .[/p][/quote]Yes your right LR Paolo is the key!so we don't want Mr Fitton any where near Paolo,cause there chalk and cheese and it would be bye-bye Paolo if he comes back!!!!!!!!![/p][/quote]Surely we would all give Andrew Fitton a very warm welcome back to the County Ground ![/p][/quote]Maybe we would give him a warm welcome, but not as the chairman. Yes, agreed he did a very good job with the financials. But on the footballing side his dithering and indecision caused us problems. When Malpas was appointed, he said he was the best candidate by far. He left Wilson to continue for too long because he was basically a YES man that would not stand up to him, in the end Wilson resigned he was not sacked When he brought in Hart to replace him, the job was practically promised to him regardless of results, it was only Fitton's departure and JW interim chairmanship move that prevented that happening.. His dealings in the market was also not that great, he sold key players and up and coming youths to balance the books. He refused to work with agents and how many times did we hear of interest in players that went somewhere else. He gave up the chair because he wanted to concentrate on his business opportunities in the States, has that changed? As with everyone else I don't have a problem if Andrew Fitton returned as part of a new concortium, but if he was reappointed as the chairman I don't think it would work out with him and Paolo together, in fact it would probably be worse than it is with SWP, because he is a control freak and I could see him interfering with how Paolo manages the players. Just my thoughts, I'm sure there will be a few that see it differently.[/p][/quote]Totally agree! Fitton's re-appointment as Chairman would divide fans. Let's hope it never happens. Med Red
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11:52am Thu 24 Jan 13

We are PANTS says...

Med Red wrote:
old town robin wrote:
Old-Stager, Hilperton wrote:
the don69 wrote:
London Red wrote:
BBC have a stiory on this and Matt doesn't seem to bothered by it - says he is flattered but happy at STFC and thinks we can go far especially under PdC
.
Seems PdC is the real key here - if he is staying players like Ritchie are staying!
.
Yes your right LR Paolo is the key!so we don't want Mr Fitton any where near Paolo,cause there chalk and cheese and it would be bye-bye Paolo if he comes back!!!!!!!!!
Surely we would all give Andrew Fitton a very warm welcome back to the County Ground !
Maybe we would give him a warm welcome, but not as the chairman. Yes, agreed he did a very good job with the financials. But on the footballing side his dithering and indecision caused us problems.

When Malpas was appointed, he said he was the best candidate by far.
He left Wilson to continue for too long because he was basically a YES man that would not stand up to him, in the end Wilson resigned he was not sacked When he brought in Hart to replace him, the job was practically promised to him regardless of results, it was only Fitton's departure and JW interim chairmanship move that prevented that happening..
His dealings in the market was also not that great, he sold key players and up and coming youths to balance the books. He refused to work with agents and how many times did we hear of interest in players that went somewhere else.
He gave up the chair because he wanted to concentrate on his business opportunities in the States, has that changed?

As with everyone else I don't have a problem if Andrew Fitton returned as part of a new concortium, but if he was reappointed as the chairman I don't think it would work out with him and Paolo together, in fact it would probably be worse than it is with SWP, because he is a control freak and I could see him interfering with how Paolo manages the players.

Just my thoughts, I'm sure there will be a few that see it differently.
Totally agree! Fitton's re-appointment as Chairman would divide fans. Let's hope it never happens.
Are we not better off divided than in administration?? In fact, why whould we be divided at all?? I'm sure the real fans would soon put thier issues to one side and get behind the Club if this senario was to become reality!!
[quote][p][bold]Med Red[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]old town robin[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Old-Stager, Hilperton[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]the don69[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]London Red[/bold] wrote: BBC have a stiory on this and Matt doesn't seem to bothered by it - says he is flattered but happy at STFC and thinks we can go far especially under PdC . Seems PdC is the real key here - if he is staying players like Ritchie are staying! .[/p][/quote]Yes your right LR Paolo is the key!so we don't want Mr Fitton any where near Paolo,cause there chalk and cheese and it would be bye-bye Paolo if he comes back!!!!!!!!![/p][/quote]Surely we would all give Andrew Fitton a very warm welcome back to the County Ground ![/p][/quote]Maybe we would give him a warm welcome, but not as the chairman. Yes, agreed he did a very good job with the financials. But on the footballing side his dithering and indecision caused us problems. When Malpas was appointed, he said he was the best candidate by far. He left Wilson to continue for too long because he was basically a YES man that would not stand up to him, in the end Wilson resigned he was not sacked When he brought in Hart to replace him, the job was practically promised to him regardless of results, it was only Fitton's departure and JW interim chairmanship move that prevented that happening.. His dealings in the market was also not that great, he sold key players and up and coming youths to balance the books. He refused to work with agents and how many times did we hear of interest in players that went somewhere else. He gave up the chair because he wanted to concentrate on his business opportunities in the States, has that changed? As with everyone else I don't have a problem if Andrew Fitton returned as part of a new concortium, but if he was reappointed as the chairman I don't think it would work out with him and Paolo together, in fact it would probably be worse than it is with SWP, because he is a control freak and I could see him interfering with how Paolo manages the players. Just my thoughts, I'm sure there will be a few that see it differently.[/p][/quote]Totally agree! Fitton's re-appointment as Chairman would divide fans. Let's hope it never happens.[/p][/quote]Are we not better off divided than in administration?? In fact, why whould we be divided at all?? I'm sure the real fans would soon put thier issues to one side and get behind the Club if this senario was to become reality!! We are PANTS
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11:53am Thu 24 Jan 13

old town robin says...

stfc2012 wrote:
Ritchie not worth 2m. 1m max at the moment. Not proven at championship level. Stick a sell on of 20 per cent.
As said by Grove Red a players worth is as much as someone is prepared to pay. We all know Torres is not worth 50 million and Carroll was not worth 35 million, but it might be that Torres is worth 15 million more than Carroll. Point being if United pay over the odds to get Zaha, who knows how much they would pay for a 24 year old experienced lad still in his prime. I don't see any reason why Ritchie couldn't cut it at Championship level, Charlie Austin wasn't "proven" but now his value has increased 4 or 5 fold and I certainly don't think Ritchie has anything to prove to anyone of his ability.
[quote][p][bold]stfc2012[/bold] wrote: Ritchie not worth 2m. 1m max at the moment. Not proven at championship level. Stick a sell on of 20 per cent.[/p][/quote]As said by Grove Red a players worth is as much as someone is prepared to pay. We all know Torres is not worth 50 million and Carroll was not worth 35 million, but it might be that Torres is worth 15 million more than Carroll. Point being if United pay over the odds to get Zaha, who knows how much they would pay for a 24 year old experienced lad still in his prime. I don't see any reason why Ritchie couldn't cut it at Championship level, Charlie Austin wasn't "proven" but now his value has increased 4 or 5 fold and I certainly don't think Ritchie has anything to prove to anyone of his ability. old town robin
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11:53am Thu 24 Jan 13

old town robin says...

stfc2012 wrote:
Ritchie not worth 2m. 1m max at the moment. Not proven at championship level. Stick a sell on of 20 per cent.
As said by Grove Red a players worth is as much as someone is prepared to pay. We all know Torres is not worth 50 million and Carroll was not worth 35 million, but it might be that Torres is worth 15 million more than Carroll. Point being if United pay over the odds to get Zaha, who knows how much they would pay for a 24 year old experienced lad still in his prime. I don't see any reason why Ritchie couldn't cut it at Championship level, Charlie Austin wasn't "proven" but now his value has increased 4 or 5 fold and I certainly don't think Ritchie has anything to prove to anyone of his ability.
[quote][p][bold]stfc2012[/bold] wrote: Ritchie not worth 2m. 1m max at the moment. Not proven at championship level. Stick a sell on of 20 per cent.[/p][/quote]As said by Grove Red a players worth is as much as someone is prepared to pay. We all know Torres is not worth 50 million and Carroll was not worth 35 million, but it might be that Torres is worth 15 million more than Carroll. Point being if United pay over the odds to get Zaha, who knows how much they would pay for a 24 year old experienced lad still in his prime. I don't see any reason why Ritchie couldn't cut it at Championship level, Charlie Austin wasn't "proven" but now his value has increased 4 or 5 fold and I certainly don't think Ritchie has anything to prove to anyone of his ability. old town robin
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11:54am Thu 24 Jan 13

London Red says...

Thats not true AF has pumped money into STFC - he clearly said the other day that the debt is owed to HIM, JW, AB and Sir Arbib
.
SWP also said that a debt/equity swap was being negotiated with AF and JW in STFC Holdings - so that shows they did pump money in
.
Granted AB has put most in but he has not put all in
.
Also I like the way all the AF bashers forget what he was doing as chairman which JW did not have to deal with
.
AF negotiated over our debt with HMRC - apparently saving us a £1m
.
He settled the St Modwin issue
.
He settled the Bill Power issue - saving the club around another £1m!!!!
.
He settled the lawsuit by Diamond Mike!
.
AF did so much good I can't believe it is all forgotten over the sale of Greer!
.
JW is loved as AB gave him the green light to spend, spend, spend
.
Would JW still be as loved if he remained and AB had stopped that flow and we suddenly had to operate on a tight budget and consider balancing the books?
.
What we need is a situation in the middle
.
A more hands off chairman who will let the manager manage
.
But a board who are strong enough to know cost management is important
.
I think a JW / AF combo in reverse would be a very good solution - as long as another board memeber is similar to AF to make sure he is not alone in cost mamagement side
.
Players will need to be sold - but at market value and at the right time - ala Cox
.
I still find it amazing how so many want their cake and eat it - want financial stability and self sufficency - but moan at a chairmen who was delivering that - we recorded a profit under AF and should have been promoted in the same year!!!
.
Lets just foget that though!
.
How long after the sale is it until lots turn on AB?
Thats not true AF has pumped money into STFC - he clearly said the other day that the debt is owed to HIM, JW, AB and Sir Arbib . SWP also said that a debt/equity swap was being negotiated with AF and JW in STFC Holdings - so that shows they did pump money in . Granted AB has put most in but he has not put all in . Also I like the way all the AF bashers forget what he was doing as chairman which JW did not have to deal with . AF negotiated over our debt with HMRC - apparently saving us a £1m . He settled the St Modwin issue . He settled the Bill Power issue - saving the club around another £1m!!!! . He settled the lawsuit by Diamond Mike! . AF did so much good I can't believe it is all forgotten over the sale of Greer! . JW is loved as AB gave him the green light to spend, spend, spend . Would JW still be as loved if he remained and AB had stopped that flow and we suddenly had to operate on a tight budget and consider balancing the books? . What we need is a situation in the middle . A more hands off chairman who will let the manager manage . But a board who are strong enough to know cost management is important . I think a JW / AF combo in reverse would be a very good solution - as long as another board memeber is similar to AF to make sure he is not alone in cost mamagement side . Players will need to be sold - but at market value and at the right time - ala Cox . I still find it amazing how so many want their cake and eat it - want financial stability and self sufficency - but moan at a chairmen who was delivering that - we recorded a profit under AF and should have been promoted in the same year!!! . Lets just foget that though! . How long after the sale is it until lots turn on AB? London Red
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11:59am Thu 24 Jan 13

old town robin says...

STFC MARLOW wrote:
The first paragraph says Nick Watkins was the founder of Betfair. I thought tht was Andrew Fitton? Was it meant to say Andrew Fitton and he was not willing to put his money into the club? Is Andrew Fitton one of the parties talking to STFC? A bit confused.

I hope whatever happens its going to be the best for STFC.

In Paolo we trust.
Think you got your Andrews mixed up, it was Andrew BLACK who was a founder of Betfair along side the brother of jeremy Wray if I'm not mistaken. There could have been other, but those are the two I know about.
[quote][p][bold]STFC MARLOW[/bold] wrote: The first paragraph says Nick Watkins was the founder of Betfair. I thought tht was Andrew Fitton? Was it meant to say Andrew Fitton and he was not willing to put his money into the club? Is Andrew Fitton one of the parties talking to STFC? A bit confused. I hope whatever happens its going to be the best for STFC. In Paolo we trust.[/p][/quote]Think you got your Andrews mixed up, it was Andrew BLACK who was a founder of Betfair along side the brother of jeremy Wray if I'm not mistaken. There could have been other, but those are the two I know about. old town robin
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12:04pm Thu 24 Jan 13

billbst says...

London Red wrote:
Thats not true AF has pumped money into STFC - he clearly said the other day that the debt is owed to HIM, JW, AB and Sir Arbib
.
SWP also said that a debt/equity swap was being negotiated with AF and JW in STFC Holdings - so that shows they did pump money in
.
Granted AB has put most in but he has not put all in
.
Also I like the way all the AF bashers forget what he was doing as chairman which JW did not have to deal with
.
AF negotiated over our debt with HMRC - apparently saving us a £1m
.
He settled the St Modwin issue
.
He settled the Bill Power issue - saving the club around another £1m!!!!
.
He settled the lawsuit by Diamond Mike!
.
AF did so much good I can't believe it is all forgotten over the sale of Greer!
.
JW is loved as AB gave him the green light to spend, spend, spend
.
Would JW still be as loved if he remained and AB had stopped that flow and we suddenly had to operate on a tight budget and consider balancing the books?
.
What we need is a situation in the middle
.
A more hands off chairman who will let the manager manage
.
But a board who are strong enough to know cost management is important
.
I think a JW / AF combo in reverse would be a very good solution - as long as another board memeber is similar to AF to make sure he is not alone in cost mamagement side
.
Players will need to be sold - but at market value and at the right time - ala Cox
.
I still find it amazing how so many want their cake and eat it - want financial stability and self sufficency - but moan at a chairmen who was delivering that - we recorded a profit under AF and should have been promoted in the same year!!!
.
Lets just foget that though!
.
How long after the sale is it until lots turn on AB?
Have to agree LR. How many ex-board members do you hear talking up the club as AF and JW are doing now.
[quote][p][bold]London Red[/bold] wrote: Thats not true AF has pumped money into STFC - he clearly said the other day that the debt is owed to HIM, JW, AB and Sir Arbib . SWP also said that a debt/equity swap was being negotiated with AF and JW in STFC Holdings - so that shows they did pump money in . Granted AB has put most in but he has not put all in . Also I like the way all the AF bashers forget what he was doing as chairman which JW did not have to deal with . AF negotiated over our debt with HMRC - apparently saving us a £1m . He settled the St Modwin issue . He settled the Bill Power issue - saving the club around another £1m!!!! . He settled the lawsuit by Diamond Mike! . AF did so much good I can't believe it is all forgotten over the sale of Greer! . JW is loved as AB gave him the green light to spend, spend, spend . Would JW still be as loved if he remained and AB had stopped that flow and we suddenly had to operate on a tight budget and consider balancing the books? . What we need is a situation in the middle . A more hands off chairman who will let the manager manage . But a board who are strong enough to know cost management is important . I think a JW / AF combo in reverse would be a very good solution - as long as another board memeber is similar to AF to make sure he is not alone in cost mamagement side . Players will need to be sold - but at market value and at the right time - ala Cox . I still find it amazing how so many want their cake and eat it - want financial stability and self sufficency - but moan at a chairmen who was delivering that - we recorded a profit under AF and should have been promoted in the same year!!! . Lets just foget that though! . How long after the sale is it until lots turn on AB?[/p][/quote]Have to agree LR. How many ex-board members do you hear talking up the club as AF and JW are doing now. billbst
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12:26pm Thu 24 Jan 13

Med Red says...

London Red wrote:
Thats not true AF has pumped money into STFC - he clearly said the other day that the debt is owed to HIM, JW, AB and Sir Arbib
.
SWP also said that a debt/equity swap was being negotiated with AF and JW in STFC Holdings - so that shows they did pump money in
.
Granted AB has put most in but he has not put all in
.
Also I like the way all the AF bashers forget what he was doing as chairman which JW did not have to deal with
.
AF negotiated over our debt with HMRC - apparently saving us a £1m
.
He settled the St Modwin issue
.
He settled the Bill Power issue - saving the club around another £1m!!!!
.
He settled the lawsuit by Diamond Mike!
.
AF did so much good I can't believe it is all forgotten over the sale of Greer!
.
JW is loved as AB gave him the green light to spend, spend, spend
.
Would JW still be as loved if he remained and AB had stopped that flow and we suddenly had to operate on a tight budget and consider balancing the books?
.
What we need is a situation in the middle
.
A more hands off chairman who will let the manager manage
.
But a board who are strong enough to know cost management is important
.
I think a JW / AF combo in reverse would be a very good solution - as long as another board memeber is similar to AF to make sure he is not alone in cost mamagement side
.
Players will need to be sold - but at market value and at the right time - ala Cox
.
I still find it amazing how so many want their cake and eat it - want financial stability and self sufficency - but moan at a chairmen who was delivering that - we recorded a profit under AF and should have been promoted in the same year!!!
.
Lets just foget that though!
.
How long after the sale is it until lots turn on AB?
Andrew Black owns 98% of the club, that leaves others owning 2%. I assume Black owns 98% because of the large sum of cash he's pumped in? Whereas Fitton owns a share of the remaining 2% of the club?

Fitton's a facilitator, not someone with a huge wad that wants to invest in the club.

If Fitton can find some wealthy investors to buy the club, great!! As long as he isn't set on becoming Chairman again.
[quote][p][bold]London Red[/bold] wrote: Thats not true AF has pumped money into STFC - he clearly said the other day that the debt is owed to HIM, JW, AB and Sir Arbib . SWP also said that a debt/equity swap was being negotiated with AF and JW in STFC Holdings - so that shows they did pump money in . Granted AB has put most in but he has not put all in . Also I like the way all the AF bashers forget what he was doing as chairman which JW did not have to deal with . AF negotiated over our debt with HMRC - apparently saving us a £1m . He settled the St Modwin issue . He settled the Bill Power issue - saving the club around another £1m!!!! . He settled the lawsuit by Diamond Mike! . AF did so much good I can't believe it is all forgotten over the sale of Greer! . JW is loved as AB gave him the green light to spend, spend, spend . Would JW still be as loved if he remained and AB had stopped that flow and we suddenly had to operate on a tight budget and consider balancing the books? . What we need is a situation in the middle . A more hands off chairman who will let the manager manage . But a board who are strong enough to know cost management is important . I think a JW / AF combo in reverse would be a very good solution - as long as another board memeber is similar to AF to make sure he is not alone in cost mamagement side . Players will need to be sold - but at market value and at the right time - ala Cox . I still find it amazing how so many want their cake and eat it - want financial stability and self sufficency - but moan at a chairmen who was delivering that - we recorded a profit under AF and should have been promoted in the same year!!! . Lets just foget that though! . How long after the sale is it until lots turn on AB?[/p][/quote]Andrew Black owns 98% of the club, that leaves others owning 2%. I assume Black owns 98% because of the large sum of cash he's pumped in? Whereas Fitton owns a share of the remaining 2% of the club? Fitton's a facilitator, not someone with a huge wad that wants to invest in the club. If Fitton can find some wealthy investors to buy the club, great!! As long as he isn't set on becoming Chairman again. Med Red
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12:33pm Thu 24 Jan 13

Angolan Red says...

Without Fitton we wouldnt exist and if the price of his return was the departure of Decanio I could live with that. Hopefully West Ham will be relegated and we get compensation from WH for Decanio
Without Fitton we wouldnt exist and if the price of his return was the departure of Decanio I could live with that. Hopefully West Ham will be relegated and we get compensation from WH for Decanio Angolan Red
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12:41pm Thu 24 Jan 13

Oi Den! says...

Superb post LR. Not only did Fitton obviously do a lot of good things for the club, much of the stuff levelled against him is speculation. I think he was very unlucky that Wilson's failure to keep the players motivated at the end of 2009/10 changed the whole dynamic of the club. If it hadn't been for that damp squib of a finish, Greer would never have wanted to leave anyway. Fitton may not have Wray's "man of the people" bearing, but that doesn't make him a bad chairman. As far as I'm concerned, he will always be the man who saved STFC.
Superb post LR. Not only did Fitton obviously do a lot of good things for the club, much of the stuff levelled against him is speculation. I think he was very unlucky that Wilson's failure to keep the players motivated at the end of 2009/10 changed the whole dynamic of the club. If it hadn't been for that damp squib of a finish, Greer would never have wanted to leave anyway. Fitton may not have Wray's "man of the people" bearing, but that doesn't make him a bad chairman. As far as I'm concerned, he will always be the man who saved STFC. Oi Den!
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12:45pm Thu 24 Jan 13

dave bamber`s caravan says...

Angolan Red wrote:
Without Fitton we wouldnt exist and if the price of his return was the departure of Decanio I could live with that. Hopefully West Ham will be relegated and we get compensation from WH for Decanio
Makes me laugh that people think they know so much.... yet can't even spell our managers name correct!!
How long has he been here? ...
[quote][p][bold]Angolan Red[/bold] wrote: Without Fitton we wouldnt exist and if the price of his return was the departure of Decanio I could live with that. Hopefully West Ham will be relegated and we get compensation from WH for Decanio[/p][/quote]Makes me laugh that people think they know so much.... yet can't even spell our managers name correct!! How long has he been here? ... dave bamber`s caravan
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12:53pm Thu 24 Jan 13

old town robin says...

London Red wrote:
Thats not true AF has pumped money into STFC - he clearly said the other day that the debt is owed to HIM, JW, AB and Sir Arbib
.
SWP also said that a debt/equity swap was being negotiated with AF and JW in STFC Holdings - so that shows they did pump money in
.
Granted AB has put most in but he has not put all in
.
Also I like the way all the AF bashers forget what he was doing as chairman which JW did not have to deal with
.
AF negotiated over our debt with HMRC - apparently saving us a £1m
.
He settled the St Modwin issue
.
He settled the Bill Power issue - saving the club around another £1m!!!!
.
He settled the lawsuit by Diamond Mike!
.
AF did so much good I can't believe it is all forgotten over the sale of Greer!
.
JW is loved as AB gave him the green light to spend, spend, spend
.
Would JW still be as loved if he remained and AB had stopped that flow and we suddenly had to operate on a tight budget and consider balancing the books?
.
What we need is a situation in the middle
.
A more hands off chairman who will let the manager manage
.
But a board who are strong enough to know cost management is important
.
I think a JW / AF combo in reverse would be a very good solution - as long as another board memeber is similar to AF to make sure he is not alone in cost mamagement side
.
Players will need to be sold - but at market value and at the right time - ala Cox
.
I still find it amazing how so many want their cake and eat it - want financial stability and self sufficency - but moan at a chairmen who was delivering that - we recorded a profit under AF and should have been promoted in the same year!!!
.
Lets just foget that though!
.
How long after the sale is it until lots turn on AB?
I guess you were replying to Med Red that AFdoes have shares in STFC which is true, in fairness I think he was making the point to STFC Marlow that AB is the majority shareholder and not AF.

As a true accountant, you have put up a very positive slant that you think AF is the right man to take us forward because there is nothing wrong with selling assets to balance the books. Sorry to disagree, but IMO sometimes you have to speculate to accumulate and this is our window of opportunity to make the championship, any negativity now, like selling Ritchie or not holding on to Holland and martin would be a disaster.

I don't think anyone has forgotten the good work done by AF when he came in. But that is now history, we are debating what is best for the club going forward in 2013 ,not 2009. Our circumstances are far different from what they were 4 years ago.

With regards to your comment addressed to the "AF bashers" I haven't read anywhere on the forum that has said AF is a bad person or bad business person. I thought we were debating as to whether we would like to see him as the chairman again. Opinions will be devided and there will be some merit from both sides, but please let us not go down that road that AF is god and nobody should ever criticise him for errors of judgement. If he does take the reins again, he wouldn't be my first choice, but fine, I would still support him and hope he just keeps out of the footballing side and lets Paolo get on with what he is paid to do.
[quote][p][bold]London Red[/bold] wrote: Thats not true AF has pumped money into STFC - he clearly said the other day that the debt is owed to HIM, JW, AB and Sir Arbib . SWP also said that a debt/equity swap was being negotiated with AF and JW in STFC Holdings - so that shows they did pump money in . Granted AB has put most in but he has not put all in . Also I like the way all the AF bashers forget what he was doing as chairman which JW did not have to deal with . AF negotiated over our debt with HMRC - apparently saving us a £1m . He settled the St Modwin issue . He settled the Bill Power issue - saving the club around another £1m!!!! . He settled the lawsuit by Diamond Mike! . AF did so much good I can't believe it is all forgotten over the sale of Greer! . JW is loved as AB gave him the green light to spend, spend, spend . Would JW still be as loved if he remained and AB had stopped that flow and we suddenly had to operate on a tight budget and consider balancing the books? . What we need is a situation in the middle . A more hands off chairman who will let the manager manage . But a board who are strong enough to know cost management is important . I think a JW / AF combo in reverse would be a very good solution - as long as another board memeber is similar to AF to make sure he is not alone in cost mamagement side . Players will need to be sold - but at market value and at the right time - ala Cox . I still find it amazing how so many want their cake and eat it - want financial stability and self sufficency - but moan at a chairmen who was delivering that - we recorded a profit under AF and should have been promoted in the same year!!! . Lets just foget that though! . How long after the sale is it until lots turn on AB?[/p][/quote]I guess you were replying to Med Red that AFdoes have shares in STFC which is true, in fairness I think he was making the point to STFC Marlow that AB is the majority shareholder and not AF. As a true accountant, you have put up a very positive slant that you think AF is the right man to take us forward because there is nothing wrong with selling assets to balance the books. Sorry to disagree, but IMO sometimes you have to speculate to accumulate and this is our window of opportunity to make the championship, any negativity now, like selling Ritchie or not holding on to Holland and martin would be a disaster. I don't think anyone has forgotten the good work done by AF when he came in. But that is now history, we are debating what is best for the club going forward in 2013 ,not 2009. Our circumstances are far different from what they were 4 years ago. With regards to your comment addressed to the "AF bashers" I haven't read anywhere on the forum that has said AF is a bad person or bad business person. I thought we were debating as to whether we would like to see him as the chairman again. Opinions will be devided and there will be some merit from both sides, but please let us not go down that road that AF is god and nobody should ever criticise him for errors of judgement. If he does take the reins again, he wouldn't be my first choice, but fine, I would still support him and hope he just keeps out of the footballing side and lets Paolo get on with what he is paid to do. old town robin
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12:55pm Thu 24 Jan 13

donaldslovechild says...

Without Fitton we wouldnt exist and if the price of his return was the departure of Decanio I could live with that. Hopefully West Ham will be relegated and we get compensation from WH for Decanio
Whaaaaat!!!!!! If it wasn't for Di Canio we wouldn't have a product worth selling . The best manager Swindon has ever had period.
Without Fitton we wouldnt exist and if the price of his return was the departure of Decanio I could live with that. Hopefully West Ham will be relegated and we get compensation from WH for Decanio Whaaaaat!!!!!! If it wasn't for Di Canio we wouldn't have a product worth selling . The best manager Swindon has ever had period. donaldslovechild
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12:56pm Thu 24 Jan 13

Wilesy says...

Oi Den! wrote:
Superb post LR. Not only did Fitton obviously do a lot of good things for the club, much of the stuff levelled against him is speculation. I think he was very unlucky that Wilson's failure to keep the players motivated at the end of 2009/10 changed the whole dynamic of the club. If it hadn't been for that damp squib of a finish, Greer would never have wanted to leave anyway. Fitton may not have Wray's "man of the people" bearing, but that doesn't make him a bad chairman. As far as I'm concerned, he will always be the man who saved STFC.
Exactly. Nothing wrong with the AF principle of balancing the books. I think he would get on OK with Paolo, who as he said on Saturday is happy as long as he gets a clear picture of the position.
[quote][p][bold]Oi Den![/bold] wrote: Superb post LR. Not only did Fitton obviously do a lot of good things for the club, much of the stuff levelled against him is speculation. I think he was very unlucky that Wilson's failure to keep the players motivated at the end of 2009/10 changed the whole dynamic of the club. If it hadn't been for that damp squib of a finish, Greer would never have wanted to leave anyway. Fitton may not have Wray's "man of the people" bearing, but that doesn't make him a bad chairman. As far as I'm concerned, he will always be the man who saved STFC.[/p][/quote]Exactly. Nothing wrong with the AF principle of balancing the books. I think he would get on OK with Paolo, who as he said on Saturday is happy as long as he gets a clear picture of the position. Wilesy
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12:57pm Thu 24 Jan 13

donaldslovechild says...

Angolan Red wrote:
Without Fitton we wouldnt exist and if the price of his return was the departure of Decanio I could live with that. Hopefully West Ham will be relegated and we get compensation from WH for Decanio
Correction........Wh
aaaaat!!!!!! If it wasn't for Di Canio we wouldn't have a product worth selling . The best manager Swindon has ever had period.
[quote][p][bold]Angolan Red[/bold] wrote: Without Fitton we wouldnt exist and if the price of his return was the departure of Decanio I could live with that. Hopefully West Ham will be relegated and we get compensation from WH for Decanio[/p][/quote]Correction........Wh aaaaat!!!!!! If it wasn't for Di Canio we wouldn't have a product worth selling . The best manager Swindon has ever had period. donaldslovechild
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1:04pm Thu 24 Jan 13

stfclondon says...

London Red wrote:
Thats not true AF has pumped money into STFC - he clearly said the other day that the debt is owed to HIM, JW, AB and Sir Arbib . SWP also said that a debt/equity swap was being negotiated with AF and JW in STFC Holdings - so that shows they did pump money in . Granted AB has put most in but he has not put all in . Also I like the way all the AF bashers forget what he was doing as chairman which JW did not have to deal with . AF negotiated over our debt with HMRC - apparently saving us a £1m . He settled the St Modwin issue . He settled the Bill Power issue - saving the club around another £1m!!!! . He settled the lawsuit by Diamond Mike! . AF did so much good I can't believe it is all forgotten over the sale of Greer! . JW is loved as AB gave him the green light to spend, spend, spend . Would JW still be as loved if he remained and AB had stopped that flow and we suddenly had to operate on a tight budget and consider balancing the books? . What we need is a situation in the middle . A more hands off chairman who will let the manager manage . But a board who are strong enough to know cost management is important . I think a JW / AF combo in reverse would be a very good solution - as long as another board memeber is similar to AF to make sure he is not alone in cost mamagement side . Players will need to be sold - but at market value and at the right time - ala Cox . I still find it amazing how so many want their cake and eat it - want financial stability and self sufficency - but moan at a chairmen who was delivering that - we recorded a profit under AF and should have been promoted in the same year!!! . Lets just foget that though! . How long after the sale is it until lots turn on AB?
Great post. Fitton did a lot more good than bad.

I agreed with his stance over Greer at the time, and I still do. If Greer had been given the new contract he was demanding in October, rather than waiting until the end of the season as per the system in place at the time, then others would have done the same. Fitton took a stand against player power, and I applaud him for that even though the end result wasn't to our liking.

That said, I don't blame Greer for moving to Brighton either - he was 31 and they offered him a three year contract. He would have been stupid to turn it down.
[quote][p][bold]London Red[/bold] wrote: Thats not true AF has pumped money into STFC - he clearly said the other day that the debt is owed to HIM, JW, AB and Sir Arbib . SWP also said that a debt/equity swap was being negotiated with AF and JW in STFC Holdings - so that shows they did pump money in . Granted AB has put most in but he has not put all in . Also I like the way all the AF bashers forget what he was doing as chairman which JW did not have to deal with . AF negotiated over our debt with HMRC - apparently saving us a £1m . He settled the St Modwin issue . He settled the Bill Power issue - saving the club around another £1m!!!! . He settled the lawsuit by Diamond Mike! . AF did so much good I can't believe it is all forgotten over the sale of Greer! . JW is loved as AB gave him the green light to spend, spend, spend . Would JW still be as loved if he remained and AB had stopped that flow and we suddenly had to operate on a tight budget and consider balancing the books? . What we need is a situation in the middle . A more hands off chairman who will let the manager manage . But a board who are strong enough to know cost management is important . I think a JW / AF combo in reverse would be a very good solution - as long as another board memeber is similar to AF to make sure he is not alone in cost mamagement side . Players will need to be sold - but at market value and at the right time - ala Cox . I still find it amazing how so many want their cake and eat it - want financial stability and self sufficency - but moan at a chairmen who was delivering that - we recorded a profit under AF and should have been promoted in the same year!!! . Lets just foget that though! . How long after the sale is it until lots turn on AB?[/p][/quote]Great post. Fitton did a lot more good than bad. I agreed with his stance over Greer at the time, and I still do. If Greer had been given the new contract he was demanding in October, rather than waiting until the end of the season as per the system in place at the time, then others would have done the same. Fitton took a stand against player power, and I applaud him for that even though the end result wasn't to our liking. That said, I don't blame Greer for moving to Brighton either - he was 31 and they offered him a three year contract. He would have been stupid to turn it down. stfclondon
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1:05pm Thu 24 Jan 13

Oxon-Red says...

Never been convinced that the sale of Greer was why we were relegated. We were fine until January, mid-table outside chance of Play-offs.

I always felt we were reasonably sound at the back and what cost us was the lack of a striker. This was magnified when Austin left. The 1-0 defeats and 0-0 draws that followed cost us because we couldn't find the back of the net.

COYMR
Never been convinced that the sale of Greer was why we were relegated. We were fine until January, mid-table outside chance of Play-offs. I always felt we were reasonably sound at the back and what cost us was the lack of a striker. This was magnified when Austin left. The 1-0 defeats and 0-0 draws that followed cost us because we couldn't find the back of the net. COYMR Oxon-Red
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1:14pm Thu 24 Jan 13

Wonder Strike says...

Fitton got very good money for Cox and Austin. Far more than we used to get. He's already said it would be a mistake to sell Ritchie now as we wouldn't get what he's worth. Reality is we'd have to sell our star player every season to balance the books. If some of that is reinvested in promising young players just like we did with Ritchie in the first place then there is no issue.

The team that finished bottom should have done much much better that season.
Fitton got very good money for Cox and Austin. Far more than we used to get. He's already said it would be a mistake to sell Ritchie now as we wouldn't get what he's worth. Reality is we'd have to sell our star player every season to balance the books. If some of that is reinvested in promising young players just like we did with Ritchie in the first place then there is no issue. The team that finished bottom should have done much much better that season. Wonder Strike
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1:15pm Thu 24 Jan 13

Dover Red says...

London Red wrote:
Thats not true AF has pumped money into STFC - he clearly said the other day that the debt is owed to HIM, JW, AB and Sir Arbib
.
SWP also said that a debt/equity swap was being negotiated with AF and JW in STFC Holdings - so that shows they did pump money in
.
Granted AB has put most in but he has not put all in
.
Also I like the way all the AF bashers forget what he was doing as chairman which JW did not have to deal with
.
AF negotiated over our debt with HMRC - apparently saving us a £1m
.
He settled the St Modwin issue
.
He settled the Bill Power issue - saving the club around another £1m!!!!
.
He settled the lawsuit by Diamond Mike!
.
AF did so much good I can't believe it is all forgotten over the sale of Greer!
.
JW is loved as AB gave him the green light to spend, spend, spend
.
Would JW still be as loved if he remained and AB had stopped that flow and we suddenly had to operate on a tight budget and consider balancing the books?
.
What we need is a situation in the middle
.
A more hands off chairman who will let the manager manage
.
But a board who are strong enough to know cost management is important
.
I think a JW / AF combo in reverse would be a very good solution - as long as another board memeber is similar to AF to make sure he is not alone in cost mamagement side
.
Players will need to be sold - but at market value and at the right time - ala Cox
.
I still find it amazing how so many want their cake and eat it - want financial stability and self sufficency - but moan at a chairmen who was delivering that - we recorded a profit under AF and should have been promoted in the same year!!!
.
Lets just foget that though!
.
How long after the sale is it until lots turn on AB?
Right again London, some very short memories on this site as usual.
[quote][p][bold]London Red[/bold] wrote: Thats not true AF has pumped money into STFC - he clearly said the other day that the debt is owed to HIM, JW, AB and Sir Arbib . SWP also said that a debt/equity swap was being negotiated with AF and JW in STFC Holdings - so that shows they did pump money in . Granted AB has put most in but he has not put all in . Also I like the way all the AF bashers forget what he was doing as chairman which JW did not have to deal with . AF negotiated over our debt with HMRC - apparently saving us a £1m . He settled the St Modwin issue . He settled the Bill Power issue - saving the club around another £1m!!!! . He settled the lawsuit by Diamond Mike! . AF did so much good I can't believe it is all forgotten over the sale of Greer! . JW is loved as AB gave him the green light to spend, spend, spend . Would JW still be as loved if he remained and AB had stopped that flow and we suddenly had to operate on a tight budget and consider balancing the books? . What we need is a situation in the middle . A more hands off chairman who will let the manager manage . But a board who are strong enough to know cost management is important . I think a JW / AF combo in reverse would be a very good solution - as long as another board memeber is similar to AF to make sure he is not alone in cost mamagement side . Players will need to be sold - but at market value and at the right time - ala Cox . I still find it amazing how so many want their cake and eat it - want financial stability and self sufficency - but moan at a chairmen who was delivering that - we recorded a profit under AF and should have been promoted in the same year!!! . Lets just foget that though! . How long after the sale is it until lots turn on AB?[/p][/quote]Right again London, some very short memories on this site as usual. Dover Red
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1:18pm Thu 24 Jan 13

the don69 says...

Med Red wrote:
London Red wrote:
Thats not true AF has pumped money into STFC - he clearly said the other day that the debt is owed to HIM, JW, AB and Sir Arbib
.
SWP also said that a debt/equity swap was being negotiated with AF and JW in STFC Holdings - so that shows they did pump money in
.
Granted AB has put most in but he has not put all in
.
Also I like the way all the AF bashers forget what he was doing as chairman which JW did not have to deal with
.
AF negotiated over our debt with HMRC - apparently saving us a £1m
.
He settled the St Modwin issue
.
He settled the Bill Power issue - saving the club around another £1m!!!!
.
He settled the lawsuit by Diamond Mike!
.
AF did so much good I can't believe it is all forgotten over the sale of Greer!
.
JW is loved as AB gave him the green light to spend, spend, spend
.
Would JW still be as loved if he remained and AB had stopped that flow and we suddenly had to operate on a tight budget and consider balancing the books?
.
What we need is a situation in the middle
.
A more hands off chairman who will let the manager manage
.
But a board who are strong enough to know cost management is important
.
I think a JW / AF combo in reverse would be a very good solution - as long as another board memeber is similar to AF to make sure he is not alone in cost mamagement side
.
Players will need to be sold - but at market value and at the right time - ala Cox
.
I still find it amazing how so many want their cake and eat it - want financial stability and self sufficency - but moan at a chairmen who was delivering that - we recorded a profit under AF and should have been promoted in the same year!!!
.
Lets just foget that though!
.
How long after the sale is it until lots turn on AB?
Andrew Black owns 98% of the club, that leaves others owning 2%. I assume Black owns 98% because of the large sum of cash he's pumped in? Whereas Fitton owns a share of the remaining 2% of the club?

Fitton's a facilitator, not someone with a huge wad that wants to invest in the club.

If Fitton can find some wealthy investors to buy the club, great!! As long as he isn't set on becoming Chairman again.
Spot on Med Red!Fitton's put in peanuts!a share of 2%,as LR said Fitton did some great things,but once he starts poking his nose in the football side of things he was rubbish,he made countless mistakes on the Football side,that we have done to death on this site!if we want to keep Paolo?Fitton is a NO,NO!!!!!!!!!!!!
[quote][p][bold]Med Red[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]London Red[/bold] wrote: Thats not true AF has pumped money into STFC - he clearly said the other day that the debt is owed to HIM, JW, AB and Sir Arbib . SWP also said that a debt/equity swap was being negotiated with AF and JW in STFC Holdings - so that shows they did pump money in . Granted AB has put most in but he has not put all in . Also I like the way all the AF bashers forget what he was doing as chairman which JW did not have to deal with . AF negotiated over our debt with HMRC - apparently saving us a £1m . He settled the St Modwin issue . He settled the Bill Power issue - saving the club around another £1m!!!! . He settled the lawsuit by Diamond Mike! . AF did so much good I can't believe it is all forgotten over the sale of Greer! . JW is loved as AB gave him the green light to spend, spend, spend . Would JW still be as loved if he remained and AB had stopped that flow and we suddenly had to operate on a tight budget and consider balancing the books? . What we need is a situation in the middle . A more hands off chairman who will let the manager manage . But a board who are strong enough to know cost management is important . I think a JW / AF combo in reverse would be a very good solution - as long as another board memeber is similar to AF to make sure he is not alone in cost mamagement side . Players will need to be sold - but at market value and at the right time - ala Cox . I still find it amazing how so many want their cake and eat it - want financial stability and self sufficency - but moan at a chairmen who was delivering that - we recorded a profit under AF and should have been promoted in the same year!!! . Lets just foget that though! . How long after the sale is it until lots turn on AB?[/p][/quote]Andrew Black owns 98% of the club, that leaves others owning 2%. I assume Black owns 98% because of the large sum of cash he's pumped in? Whereas Fitton owns a share of the remaining 2% of the club? Fitton's a facilitator, not someone with a huge wad that wants to invest in the club. If Fitton can find some wealthy investors to buy the club, great!! As long as he isn't set on becoming Chairman again.[/p][/quote]Spot on Med Red!Fitton's put in peanuts!a share of 2%,as LR said Fitton did some great things,but once he starts poking his nose in the football side of things he was rubbish,he made countless mistakes on the Football side,that we have done to death on this site!if we want to keep Paolo?Fitton is a NO,NO!!!!!!!!!!!! the don69
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1:33pm Thu 24 Jan 13

Med Red says...

Dover Red wrote:
London Red wrote:
Thats not true AF has pumped money into STFC - he clearly said the other day that the debt is owed to HIM, JW, AB and Sir Arbib
.
SWP also said that a debt/equity swap was being negotiated with AF and JW in STFC Holdings - so that shows they did pump money in
.
Granted AB has put most in but he has not put all in
.
Also I like the way all the AF bashers forget what he was doing as chairman which JW did not have to deal with
.
AF negotiated over our debt with HMRC - apparently saving us a £1m
.
He settled the St Modwin issue
.
He settled the Bill Power issue - saving the club around another £1m!!!!
.
He settled the lawsuit by Diamond Mike!
.
AF did so much good I can't believe it is all forgotten over the sale of Greer!
.
JW is loved as AB gave him the green light to spend, spend, spend
.
Would JW still be as loved if he remained and AB had stopped that flow and we suddenly had to operate on a tight budget and consider balancing the books?
.
What we need is a situation in the middle
.
A more hands off chairman who will let the manager manage
.
But a board who are strong enough to know cost management is important
.
I think a JW / AF combo in reverse would be a very good solution - as long as another board memeber is similar to AF to make sure he is not alone in cost mamagement side
.
Players will need to be sold - but at market value and at the right time - ala Cox
.
I still find it amazing how so many want their cake and eat it - want financial stability and self sufficency - but moan at a chairmen who was delivering that - we recorded a profit under AF and should have been promoted in the same year!!!
.
Lets just foget that though!
.
How long after the sale is it until lots turn on AB?
Right again London, some very short memories on this site as usual.
Well we don't need long memories, do we, to remember that under Fitton's Chairmanship we were relegated and that he played a big part in that.
[quote][p][bold]Dover Red[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]London Red[/bold] wrote: Thats not true AF has pumped money into STFC - he clearly said the other day that the debt is owed to HIM, JW, AB and Sir Arbib . SWP also said that a debt/equity swap was being negotiated with AF and JW in STFC Holdings - so that shows they did pump money in . Granted AB has put most in but he has not put all in . Also I like the way all the AF bashers forget what he was doing as chairman which JW did not have to deal with . AF negotiated over our debt with HMRC - apparently saving us a £1m . He settled the St Modwin issue . He settled the Bill Power issue - saving the club around another £1m!!!! . He settled the lawsuit by Diamond Mike! . AF did so much good I can't believe it is all forgotten over the sale of Greer! . JW is loved as AB gave him the green light to spend, spend, spend . Would JW still be as loved if he remained and AB had stopped that flow and we suddenly had to operate on a tight budget and consider balancing the books? . What we need is a situation in the middle . A more hands off chairman who will let the manager manage . But a board who are strong enough to know cost management is important . I think a JW / AF combo in reverse would be a very good solution - as long as another board memeber is similar to AF to make sure he is not alone in cost mamagement side . Players will need to be sold - but at market value and at the right time - ala Cox . I still find it amazing how so many want their cake and eat it - want financial stability and self sufficency - but moan at a chairmen who was delivering that - we recorded a profit under AF and should have been promoted in the same year!!! . Lets just foget that though! . How long after the sale is it until lots turn on AB?[/p][/quote]Right again London, some very short memories on this site as usual.[/p][/quote]Well we don't need long memories, do we, to remember that under Fitton's Chairmanship we were relegated and that he played a big part in that. Med Red
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1:35pm Thu 24 Jan 13

ciclosporindorset says...

I am astounded that the man who helped save stfc is spoken of so badly by one on this site. Without the initial dream team and investment there would be no stfc. Get a grip!
I am astounded that the man who helped save stfc is spoken of so badly by one on this site. Without the initial dream team and investment there would be no stfc. Get a grip! ciclosporindorset
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1:46pm Thu 24 Jan 13

stfcflag says...

Are you serious med red? Did you watch any of that season or the countless seasons before it?

Fitton helped save this club and I for one will be eternally grateful. He also made it feel far more part of the community that the numerous chairmen before, do you remember hunt or the aledgedly dodgy greek?

He completely changed the feel of the club and supporting it.

We nearly got promotion to the championship and then yes we struggled, we lost loan players close season and Paynter and we went down and the rest of his board stepped up and helped us get back up. Fitton did a great job and I wouldn't suggest he had a big part in any demise of Swindon on or off the pitch. He certainly made huge strides forward off the pitch for us and on the pitch is down to the gaffer and the players ... Let's not forget Ferry, ritchie, Flint, Austin, caddis were all around at the time and I'd have most of those in my Swindon team in the Championship let alone league 1
Are you serious med red? Did you watch any of that season or the countless seasons before it? Fitton helped save this club and I for one will be eternally grateful. He also made it feel far more part of the community that the numerous chairmen before, do you remember hunt or the aledgedly dodgy greek? He completely changed the feel of the club and supporting it. We nearly got promotion to the championship and then yes we struggled, we lost loan players close season and Paynter and we went down and the rest of his board stepped up and helped us get back up. Fitton did a great job and I wouldn't suggest he had a big part in any demise of Swindon on or off the pitch. He certainly made huge strides forward off the pitch for us and on the pitch is down to the gaffer and the players ... Let's not forget Ferry, ritchie, Flint, Austin, caddis were all around at the time and I'd have most of those in my Swindon team in the Championship let alone league 1 stfcflag
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1:46pm Thu 24 Jan 13

mike1990 says...

ciclosporindorset wrote:
I am astounded that the man who helped save stfc is spoken of so badly by one on this site. Without the initial dream team and investment there would be no stfc. Get a grip!
No is speaking badly of him dorset,but lets be honest,he wasn't very good when it came to managers and players,if he keeps to the business fine,but keep out of team and managers affairs.
[quote][p][bold]ciclosporindorset[/bold] wrote: I am astounded that the man who helped save stfc is spoken of so badly by one on this site. Without the initial dream team and investment there would be no stfc. Get a grip![/p][/quote]No is speaking badly of him dorset,but lets be honest,he wasn't very good when it came to managers and players,if he keeps to the business fine,but keep out of team and managers affairs. mike1990
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1:49pm Thu 24 Jan 13

TheDukeOfBanbury says...

Lets stop speculating.

If Nick Watkins is saying relax lets relax.
I am not taking sides on this one. We owe lots to both Black and Fitton for different reasons and yes both are human and mistakes have been made.

I cannot thank both enough for saving this club from dying and I have faith in the people running the Club that they will get this resolved.

As at today we have got one of the biggest games of the season coming up this Saturday and that is worthy of our support for now.

I was in Stockport yesterday and they have had no snow and with the temperatures set to rise now the game will more than likely be on.

See you all at Tranmere .......COYR'ds.
Lets stop speculating. If Nick Watkins is saying relax lets relax. I am not taking sides on this one. We owe lots to both Black and Fitton for different reasons and yes both are human and mistakes have been made. I cannot thank both enough for saving this club from dying and I have faith in the people running the Club that they will get this resolved. As at today we have got one of the biggest games of the season coming up this Saturday and that is worthy of our support for now. I was in Stockport yesterday and they have had no snow and with the temperatures set to rise now the game will more than likely be on. See you all at Tranmere .......COYR'ds. TheDukeOfBanbury
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1:56pm Thu 24 Jan 13

the don69 says...

TheDukeOfBanbury wrote:
Lets stop speculating.

If Nick Watkins is saying relax lets relax.
I am not taking sides on this one. We owe lots to both Black and Fitton for different reasons and yes both are human and mistakes have been made.

I cannot thank both enough for saving this club from dying and I have faith in the people running the Club that they will get this resolved.

As at today we have got one of the biggest games of the season coming up this Saturday and that is worthy of our support for now.

I was in Stockport yesterday and they have had no snow and with the temperatures set to rise now the game will more than likely be on.

See you all at Tranmere .......COYR'ds.
Back to Football,Heavy Snow Forecast Friday night for Merseyside,I'm still thinking about whether to go or not to go,think we'll decide early Saturday morning,after checking out the state of play!!!!!!!!!!
[quote][p][bold]TheDukeOfBanbury[/bold] wrote: Lets stop speculating. If Nick Watkins is saying relax lets relax. I am not taking sides on this one. We owe lots to both Black and Fitton for different reasons and yes both are human and mistakes have been made. I cannot thank both enough for saving this club from dying and I have faith in the people running the Club that they will get this resolved. As at today we have got one of the biggest games of the season coming up this Saturday and that is worthy of our support for now. I was in Stockport yesterday and they have had no snow and with the temperatures set to rise now the game will more than likely be on. See you all at Tranmere .......COYR'ds.[/p][/quote]Back to Football,Heavy Snow Forecast Friday night for Merseyside,I'm still thinking about whether to go or not to go,think we'll decide early Saturday morning,after checking out the state of play!!!!!!!!!! the don69
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2:01pm Thu 24 Jan 13

Med Red says...

TheDukeOfBanbury wrote:
Lets stop speculating.

If Nick Watkins is saying relax lets relax.
I am not taking sides on this one. We owe lots to both Black and Fitton for different reasons and yes both are human and mistakes have been made.

I cannot thank both enough for saving this club from dying and I have faith in the people running the Club that they will get this resolved.

As at today we have got one of the biggest games of the season coming up this Saturday and that is worthy of our support for now.

I was in Stockport yesterday and they have had no snow and with the temperatures set to rise now the game will more than likely be on.

See you all at Tranmere .......COYR'ds.
Good thinking, let's all relax and not mention the A or the F word again.
[quote][p][bold]TheDukeOfBanbury[/bold] wrote: Lets stop speculating. If Nick Watkins is saying relax lets relax. I am not taking sides on this one. We owe lots to both Black and Fitton for different reasons and yes both are human and mistakes have been made. I cannot thank both enough for saving this club from dying and I have faith in the people running the Club that they will get this resolved. As at today we have got one of the biggest games of the season coming up this Saturday and that is worthy of our support for now. I was in Stockport yesterday and they have had no snow and with the temperatures set to rise now the game will more than likely be on. See you all at Tranmere .......COYR'ds.[/p][/quote]Good thinking, let's all relax and not mention the A or the F word again. Med Red
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2:04pm Thu 24 Jan 13

EastleazeRed says...

mike1990 wrote:
ciclosporindorset wrote:
I am astounded that the man who helped save stfc is spoken of so badly by one on this site. Without the initial dream team and investment there would be no stfc. Get a grip!
No is speaking badly of him dorset,but lets be honest,he wasn't very good when it came to managers and players,if he keeps to the business fine,but keep out of team and managers affairs.
If Fitton was still in charge , we would still be knocking about in mid div league 2 , and have paul trollop as manager .
[quote][p][bold]mike1990[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ciclosporindorset[/bold] wrote: I am astounded that the man who helped save stfc is spoken of so badly by one on this site. Without the initial dream team and investment there would be no stfc. Get a grip![/p][/quote]No is speaking badly of him dorset,but lets be honest,he wasn't very good when it came to managers and players,if he keeps to the business fine,but keep out of team and managers affairs.[/p][/quote]If Fitton was still in charge , we would still be knocking about in mid div league 2 , and have paul trollop as manager . EastleazeRed
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2:41pm Thu 24 Jan 13

Oi Den! says...

old town robin wrote:
London Red wrote:
Thats not true AF has pumped money into STFC - he clearly said the other day that the debt is owed to HIM, JW, AB and Sir Arbib
.
SWP also said that a debt/equity swap was being negotiated with AF and JW in STFC Holdings - so that shows they did pump money in
.
Granted AB has put most in but he has not put all in
.
Also I like the way all the AF bashers forget what he was doing as chairman which JW did not have to deal with
.
AF negotiated over our debt with HMRC - apparently saving us a £1m
.
He settled the St Modwin issue
.
He settled the Bill Power issue - saving the club around another £1m!!!!
.
He settled the lawsuit by Diamond Mike!
.
AF did so much good I can't believe it is all forgotten over the sale of Greer!
.
JW is loved as AB gave him the green light to spend, spend, spend
.
Would JW still be as loved if he remained and AB had stopped that flow and we suddenly had to operate on a tight budget and consider balancing the books?
.
What we need is a situation in the middle
.
A more hands off chairman who will let the manager manage
.
But a board who are strong enough to know cost management is important
.
I think a JW / AF combo in reverse would be a very good solution - as long as another board memeber is similar to AF to make sure he is not alone in cost mamagement side
.
Players will need to be sold - but at market value and at the right time - ala Cox
.
I still find it amazing how so many want their cake and eat it - want financial stability and self sufficency - but moan at a chairmen who was delivering that - we recorded a profit under AF and should have been promoted in the same year!!!
.
Lets just foget that though!
.
How long after the sale is it until lots turn on AB?
I guess you were replying to Med Red that AFdoes have shares in STFC which is true, in fairness I think he was making the point to STFC Marlow that AB is the majority shareholder and not AF.

As a true accountant, you have put up a very positive slant that you think AF is the right man to take us forward because there is nothing wrong with selling assets to balance the books. Sorry to disagree, but IMO sometimes you have to speculate to accumulate and this is our window of opportunity to make the championship, any negativity now, like selling Ritchie or not holding on to Holland and martin would be a disaster.

I don't think anyone has forgotten the good work done by AF when he came in. But that is now history, we are debating what is best for the club going forward in 2013 ,not 2009. Our circumstances are far different from what they were 4 years ago.

With regards to your comment addressed to the "AF bashers" I haven't read anywhere on the forum that has said AF is a bad person or bad business person. I thought we were debating as to whether we would like to see him as the chairman again. Opinions will be devided and there will be some merit from both sides, but please let us not go down that road that AF is god and nobody should ever criticise him for errors of judgement. If he does take the reins again, he wouldn't be my first choice, but fine, I would still support him and hope he just keeps out of the footballing side and lets Paolo get on with what he is paid to do.
Fair enough OTR, but does anyone really know what Fitton's errors of judgment were? It's very easy for some people to say in hindsight that managerial appointments were errors but there is an awful lot of luck involved in whether a manager clicks at a club or not. Some have become roaring successes at some clubs and total failures at others. Some previously untried managers have proved they are not cut out for it, while others have taken to it like a duck to water. Wray is applauded for his appointment of PDC, but that could easily have gone t1ts up. Some might even say it did for a while.
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Fitton was widely criticised by many for allowing Wilson to overstay his welcome, but my information is that he wanted him sacked much earlier and was outvoted in the boardroom, the win against Sheffield Wednesday in December 2010 being the thing that eventually got Wilson off the hook for a while.
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And transfer dealings? Paynter did a dirty deal with Leeds, Greer knew the grass was greener at Brighton and Austin had had enough of the complete mess that the team had become. In my view, they were the three things that sealed our relegation - and I don't blame Fitton for any of them
.
I find it hard to see how we can know for sure how well a chairman is doing, and I certainly don't think the case against Fitton is proved.
[quote][p][bold]old town robin[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]London Red[/bold] wrote: Thats not true AF has pumped money into STFC - he clearly said the other day that the debt is owed to HIM, JW, AB and Sir Arbib . SWP also said that a debt/equity swap was being negotiated with AF and JW in STFC Holdings - so that shows they did pump money in . Granted AB has put most in but he has not put all in . Also I like the way all the AF bashers forget what he was doing as chairman which JW did not have to deal with . AF negotiated over our debt with HMRC - apparently saving us a £1m . He settled the St Modwin issue . He settled the Bill Power issue - saving the club around another £1m!!!! . He settled the lawsuit by Diamond Mike! . AF did so much good I can't believe it is all forgotten over the sale of Greer! . JW is loved as AB gave him the green light to spend, spend, spend . Would JW still be as loved if he remained and AB had stopped that flow and we suddenly had to operate on a tight budget and consider balancing the books? . What we need is a situation in the middle . A more hands off chairman who will let the manager manage . But a board who are strong enough to know cost management is important . I think a JW / AF combo in reverse would be a very good solution - as long as another board memeber is similar to AF to make sure he is not alone in cost mamagement side . Players will need to be sold - but at market value and at the right time - ala Cox . I still find it amazing how so many want their cake and eat it - want financial stability and self sufficency - but moan at a chairmen who was delivering that - we recorded a profit under AF and should have been promoted in the same year!!! . Lets just foget that though! . How long after the sale is it until lots turn on AB?[/p][/quote]I guess you were replying to Med Red that AFdoes have shares in STFC which is true, in fairness I think he was making the point to STFC Marlow that AB is the majority shareholder and not AF. As a true accountant, you have put up a very positive slant that you think AF is the right man to take us forward because there is nothing wrong with selling assets to balance the books. Sorry to disagree, but IMO sometimes you have to speculate to accumulate and this is our window of opportunity to make the championship, any negativity now, like selling Ritchie or not holding on to Holland and martin would be a disaster. I don't think anyone has forgotten the good work done by AF when he came in. But that is now history, we are debating what is best for the club going forward in 2013 ,not 2009. Our circumstances are far different from what they were 4 years ago. With regards to your comment addressed to the "AF bashers" I haven't read anywhere on the forum that has said AF is a bad person or bad business person. I thought we were debating as to whether we would like to see him as the chairman again. Opinions will be devided and there will be some merit from both sides, but please let us not go down that road that AF is god and nobody should ever criticise him for errors of judgement. If he does take the reins again, he wouldn't be my first choice, but fine, I would still support him and hope he just keeps out of the footballing side and lets Paolo get on with what he is paid to do.[/p][/quote]Fair enough OTR, but does anyone really know what Fitton's errors of judgment were? It's very easy for some people to say in hindsight that managerial appointments were errors but there is an awful lot of luck involved in whether a manager clicks at a club or not. Some have become roaring successes at some clubs and total failures at others. Some previously untried managers have proved they are not cut out for it, while others have taken to it like a duck to water. Wray is applauded for his appointment of PDC, but that could easily have gone t1ts up. Some might even say it did for a while. . Fitton was widely criticised by many for allowing Wilson to overstay his welcome, but my information is that he wanted him sacked much earlier and was outvoted in the boardroom, the win against Sheffield Wednesday in December 2010 being the thing that eventually got Wilson off the hook for a while. . And transfer dealings? Paynter did a dirty deal with Leeds, Greer knew the grass was greener at Brighton and Austin had had enough of the complete mess that the team had become. In my view, they were the three things that sealed our relegation - and I don't blame Fitton for any of them . I find it hard to see how we can know for sure how well a chairman is doing, and I certainly don't think the case against Fitton is proved. Oi Den!
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2:51pm Thu 24 Jan 13

smirg kcab says...

Massive game Saturday.
Onwards and upwards

Players are not talking about the A word.
Well I will AUTOMATIC (champions)
Massive game Saturday. Onwards and upwards Players are not talking about the A word. Well I will AUTOMATIC (champions) smirg kcab
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2:53pm Thu 24 Jan 13

London Red says...

Med/Don – your comments show that your research is on par with the FL paper!
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Have you not even bothered to look at the accounts? That alone before listening to comments made by SWP etc show you are talking nonsense!
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Sir Arbib has an interest free loan direct with the club for £1m – so that’s 10% of the total £10m owed at that point in time there and then! Some what more than 2%
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Ownership and debt are 2 different things – the ownership is in relation to the shares – which STFC Holdings own 98% of the shares in STFC of which I believe (can not confirm for sure) is now owned 100% by AB – thus the share shuffle Fitton was referring to and also is how AB has total control!
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The debt which stood at just under £10m in the last set of accounts – which must now have grown to £13m reported – was dominated by amounts owed to STFC Holdings (c£7.5m)
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SWP clearly said this was primarily funded by a number of loans made by the Directors – and practically named Fitton and Wray! (Both have also confirmed debt is owed to them this week)
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Now do you honestly think AB/SWP would be talking about a needing debt/equity swap in STFC Holdings if AF and JW only had loans of £150k (2% of £7.5m) – somehow I don’t think so!
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Yes AB has most of that “amounts owed to ultimate parent company” owed to him and also owns 98% of the shares meaning any new losses goes into his section (probably the additional £3m growth seen) – but that doesn’t mean AF and JW did not invested a significant amount of money into buying STFC when the consortium took over and cleared our debts
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The fact they have said they have the power to help a sale and the discussion of equity swap clearly suggests their debt is 7 figures!

OTR – you must have skipped a fair few posts if you have not seen any AF bashers – Med/Don are 2 clear ones!
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Also you might want to re-read my view point on player sales to balance the books- I have never taken a pure accountant view – just said it is vital not just to STFC but most clubs that this forms a section of income generated – all clubs would want to make net transfer income
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My view is and always has been you make an initial outlay – the “speculate to accumulate” – which we have done already! - but then use the proceeds from that initial speculation to continue that going
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Cox was first speculation - Austin came from his sale – then from his we got Ritchie, Flint and probably Wes, Collins and Troy – if Ritchie is next to go then hopefully we will then land X, Y and Z to keep it going with another going after that and A,B and C coming in
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I have always said profits should be split – so using Ritchie as an example (only in the summer if we don’t go up) if he goes for £2m – we use £1m to help balance the books (66% of typical £1.5m loss) and £1m to buy the next 2 or 3 future prospects to push the club forward
Med/Don – your comments show that your research is on par with the FL paper! . Have you not even bothered to look at the accounts? That alone before listening to comments made by SWP etc show you are talking nonsense! . Sir Arbib has an interest free loan direct with the club for £1m – so that’s 10% of the total £10m owed at that point in time there and then! Some what more than 2% . Ownership and debt are 2 different things – the ownership is in relation to the shares – which STFC Holdings own 98% of the shares in STFC of which I believe (can not confirm for sure) is now owned 100% by AB – thus the share shuffle Fitton was referring to and also is how AB has total control! . The debt which stood at just under £10m in the last set of accounts – which must now have grown to £13m reported – was dominated by amounts owed to STFC Holdings (c£7.5m) . SWP clearly said this was primarily funded by a number of loans made by the Directors – and practically named Fitton and Wray! (Both have also confirmed debt is owed to them this week) . Now do you honestly think AB/SWP would be talking about a needing debt/equity swap in STFC Holdings if AF and JW only had loans of £150k (2% of £7.5m) – somehow I don’t think so! . Yes AB has most of that “amounts owed to ultimate parent company” owed to him and also owns 98% of the shares meaning any new losses goes into his section (probably the additional £3m growth seen) – but that doesn’t mean AF and JW did not invested a significant amount of money into buying STFC when the consortium took over and cleared our debts . The fact they have said they have the power to help a sale and the discussion of equity swap clearly suggests their debt is 7 figures! OTR – you must have skipped a fair few posts if you have not seen any AF bashers – Med/Don are 2 clear ones! . Also you might want to re-read my view point on player sales to balance the books- I have never taken a pure accountant view – just said it is vital not just to STFC but most clubs that this forms a section of income generated – all clubs would want to make net transfer income . My view is and always has been you make an initial outlay – the “speculate to accumulate” – which we have done already! - but then use the proceeds from that initial speculation to continue that going . Cox was first speculation - Austin came from his sale – then from his we got Ritchie, Flint and probably Wes, Collins and Troy – if Ritchie is next to go then hopefully we will then land X, Y and Z to keep it going with another going after that and A,B and C coming in . I have always said profits should be split – so using Ritchie as an example (only in the summer if we don’t go up) if he goes for £2m – we use £1m to help balance the books (66% of typical £1.5m loss) and £1m to buy the next 2 or 3 future prospects to push the club forward London Red
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3:04pm Thu 24 Jan 13

old town robin says...

the don69 wrote:
TheDukeOfBanbury wrote:
Lets stop speculating.

If Nick Watkins is saying relax lets relax.
I am not taking sides on this one. We owe lots to both Black and Fitton for different reasons and yes both are human and mistakes have been made.

I cannot thank both enough for saving this club from dying and I have faith in the people running the Club that they will get this resolved.

As at today we have got one of the biggest games of the season coming up this Saturday and that is worthy of our support for now.

I was in Stockport yesterday and they have had no snow and with the temperatures set to rise now the game will more than likely be on.

See you all at Tranmere .......COYR'ds.
Back to Football,Heavy Snow Forecast Friday night for Merseyside,I'm still thinking about whether to go or not to go,think we'll decide early Saturday morning,after checking out the state of play!!!!!!!!!!
All being well, I'll be there for Friday night, so if it does snow, I really hope the paddock boys turn out in their numbers like our fans did to get the game on. I would think tranmere FC would not want to see this game postponed anymore than we do.

Where's that weatherman Loyal when you want him, not a peep, but he's usually pretty accurate on his forecast though.
[quote][p][bold]the don69[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]TheDukeOfBanbury[/bold] wrote: Lets stop speculating. If Nick Watkins is saying relax lets relax. I am not taking sides on this one. We owe lots to both Black and Fitton for different reasons and yes both are human and mistakes have been made. I cannot thank both enough for saving this club from dying and I have faith in the people running the Club that they will get this resolved. As at today we have got one of the biggest games of the season coming up this Saturday and that is worthy of our support for now. I was in Stockport yesterday and they have had no snow and with the temperatures set to rise now the game will more than likely be on. See you all at Tranmere .......COYR'ds.[/p][/quote]Back to Football,Heavy Snow Forecast Friday night for Merseyside,I'm still thinking about whether to go or not to go,think we'll decide early Saturday morning,after checking out the state of play!!!!!!!!!![/p][/quote]All being well, I'll be there for Friday night, so if it does snow, I really hope the paddock boys turn out in their numbers like our fans did to get the game on. I would think tranmere FC would not want to see this game postponed anymore than we do. Where's that weatherman Loyal when you want him, not a peep, but he's usually pretty accurate on his forecast though. old town robin
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3:05pm Thu 24 Jan 13

the don69 says...

Oi Den! wrote:
old town robin wrote:
London Red wrote:
Thats not true AF has pumped money into STFC - he clearly said the other day that the debt is owed to HIM, JW, AB and Sir Arbib
.
SWP also said that a debt/equity swap was being negotiated with AF and JW in STFC Holdings - so that shows they did pump money in
.
Granted AB has put most in but he has not put all in
.
Also I like the way all the AF bashers forget what he was doing as chairman which JW did not have to deal with
.
AF negotiated over our debt with HMRC - apparently saving us a £1m
.
He settled the St Modwin issue
.
He settled the Bill Power issue - saving the club around another £1m!!!!
.
He settled the lawsuit by Diamond Mike!
.
AF did so much good I can't believe it is all forgotten over the sale of Greer!
.
JW is loved as AB gave him the green light to spend, spend, spend
.
Would JW still be as loved if he remained and AB had stopped that flow and we suddenly had to operate on a tight budget and consider balancing the books?
.
What we need is a situation in the middle
.
A more hands off chairman who will let the manager manage
.
But a board who are strong enough to know cost management is important
.
I think a JW / AF combo in reverse would be a very good solution - as long as another board memeber is similar to AF to make sure he is not alone in cost mamagement side
.
Players will need to be sold - but at market value and at the right time - ala Cox
.
I still find it amazing how so many want their cake and eat it - want financial stability and self sufficency - but moan at a chairmen who was delivering that - we recorded a profit under AF and should have been promoted in the same year!!!
.
Lets just foget that though!
.
How long after the sale is it until lots turn on AB?
I guess you were replying to Med Red that AFdoes have shares in STFC which is true, in fairness I think he was making the point to STFC Marlow that AB is the majority shareholder and not AF.

As a true accountant, you have put up a very positive slant that you think AF is the right man to take us forward because there is nothing wrong with selling assets to balance the books. Sorry to disagree, but IMO sometimes you have to speculate to accumulate and this is our window of opportunity to make the championship, any negativity now, like selling Ritchie or not holding on to Holland and martin would be a disaster.

I don't think anyone has forgotten the good work done by AF when he came in. But that is now history, we are debating what is best for the club going forward in 2013 ,not 2009. Our circumstances are far different from what they were 4 years ago.

With regards to your comment addressed to the "AF bashers" I haven't read anywhere on the forum that has said AF is a bad person or bad business person. I thought we were debating as to whether we would like to see him as the chairman again. Opinions will be devided and there will be some merit from both sides, but please let us not go down that road that AF is god and nobody should ever criticise him for errors of judgement. If he does take the reins again, he wouldn't be my first choice, but fine, I would still support him and hope he just keeps out of the footballing side and lets Paolo get on with what he is paid to do.
Fair enough OTR, but does anyone really know what Fitton's errors of judgment were? It's very easy for some people to say in hindsight that managerial appointments were errors but there is an awful lot of luck involved in whether a manager clicks at a club or not. Some have become roaring successes at some clubs and total failures at others. Some previously untried managers have proved they are not cut out for it, while others have taken to it like a duck to water. Wray is applauded for his appointment of PDC, but that could easily have gone t1ts up. Some might even say it did for a while.
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Fitton was widely criticised by many for allowing Wilson to overstay his welcome, but my information is that he wanted him sacked much earlier and was outvoted in the boardroom, the win against Sheffield Wednesday in December 2010 being the thing that eventually got Wilson off the hook for a while.
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And transfer dealings? Paynter did a dirty deal with Leeds, Greer knew the grass was greener at Brighton and Austin had had enough of the complete mess that the team had become. In my view, they were the three things that sealed our relegation - and I don't blame Fitton for any of them
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I find it hard to see how we can know for sure how well a chairman is doing, and I certainly don't think the case against Fitton is proved.
Sorry Den totally disagree with you!why Fitton picked Malpass still puzzles me!he could have had Hollaway(who wanted our job)but didn't want him!so he went for boring Wilson!let him go on and on,when it was clear he'd lost it and needed replacing way before he gave your poor ol chap Harte the job!who had no chance at that time,because the damage was done,J-Wray comes in has the Guts to get Paolo(who fitton would never have gone for)it's a results business Den,Fitton failed,J-Wray done the Business harsh!but it's there in the record books!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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[quote][p][bold]Oi Den![/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]old town robin[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]London Red[/bold] wrote: Thats not true AF has pumped money into STFC - he clearly said the other day that the debt is owed to HIM, JW, AB and Sir Arbib . SWP also said that a debt/equity swap was being negotiated with AF and JW in STFC Holdings - so that shows they did pump money in . Granted AB has put most in but he has not put all in . Also I like the way all the AF bashers forget what he was doing as chairman which JW did not have to deal with . AF negotiated over our debt with HMRC - apparently saving us a £1m . He settled the St Modwin issue . He settled the Bill Power issue - saving the club around another £1m!!!! . He settled the lawsuit by Diamond Mike! . AF did so much good I can't believe it is all forgotten over the sale of Greer! . JW is loved as AB gave him the green light to spend, spend, spend . Would JW still be as loved if he remained and AB had stopped that flow and we suddenly had to operate on a tight budget and consider balancing the books? . What we need is a situation in the middle . A more hands off chairman who will let the manager manage . But a board who are strong enough to know cost management is important . I think a JW / AF combo in reverse would be a very good solution - as long as another board memeber is similar to AF to make sure he is not alone in cost mamagement side . Players will need to be sold - but at market value and at the right time - ala Cox . I still find it amazing how so many want their cake and eat it - want financial stability and self sufficency - but moan at a chairmen who was delivering that - we recorded a profit under AF and should have been promoted in the same year!!! . Lets just foget that though! . How long after the sale is it until lots turn on AB?[/p][/quote]I guess you were replying to Med Red that AFdoes have shares in STFC which is true, in fairness I think he was making the point to STFC Marlow that AB is the majority shareholder and not AF. As a true accountant, you have put up a very positive slant that you think AF is the right man to take us forward because there is nothing wrong with selling assets to balance the books. Sorry to disagree, but IMO sometimes you have to speculate to accumulate and this is our window of opportunity to make the championship, any negativity now, like selling Ritchie or not holding on to Holland and martin would be a disaster. I don't think anyone has forgotten the good work done by AF when he came in. But that is now history, we are debating what is best for the club going forward in 2013 ,not 2009. Our circumstances are far different from what they were 4 years ago. With regards to your comment addressed to the "AF bashers" I haven't read anywhere on the forum that has said AF is a bad person or bad business person. I thought we were debating as to whether we would like to see him as the chairman again. Opinions will be devided and there will be some merit from both sides, but please let us not go down that road that AF is god and nobody should ever criticise him for errors of judgement. If he does take the reins again, he wouldn't be my first choice, but fine, I would still support him and hope he just keeps out of the footballing side and lets Paolo get on with what he is paid to do.[/p][/quote]Fair enough OTR, but does anyone really know what Fitton's errors of judgment were? It's very easy for some people to say in hindsight that managerial appointments were errors but there is an awful lot of luck involved in whether a manager clicks at a club or not. Some have become roaring successes at some clubs and total failures at others. Some previously untried managers have proved they are not cut out for it, while others have taken to it like a duck to water. Wray is applauded for his appointment of PDC, but that could easily have gone t1ts up. Some might even say it did for a while. . Fitton was widely criticised by many for allowing Wilson to overstay his welcome, but my information is that he wanted him sacked much earlier and was outvoted in the boardroom, the win against Sheffield Wednesday in December 2010 being the thing that eventually got Wilson off the hook for a while. . And transfer dealings? Paynter did a dirty deal with Leeds, Greer knew the grass was greener at Brighton and Austin had had enough of the complete mess that the team had become. In my view, they were the three things that sealed our relegation - and I don't blame Fitton for any of them . I find it hard to see how we can know for sure how well a chairman is doing, and I certainly don't think the case against Fitton is proved.[/p][/quote]Sorry Den totally disagree with you!why Fitton picked Malpass still puzzles me!he could have had Hollaway(who wanted our job)but didn't want him!so he went for boring Wilson!let him go on and on,when it was clear he'd lost it and needed replacing way before he gave your poor ol chap Harte the job!who had no chance at that time,because the damage was done,J-Wray comes in has the Guts to get Paolo(who fitton would never have gone for)it's a results business Den,Fitton failed,J-Wray done the Business harsh!but it's there in the record books!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!! the don69
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3:15pm Thu 24 Jan 13

the don69 says...

old town robin wrote:
the don69 wrote:
TheDukeOfBanbury wrote:
Lets stop speculating.

If Nick Watkins is saying relax lets relax.
I am not taking sides on this one. We owe lots to both Black and Fitton for different reasons and yes both are human and mistakes have been made.

I cannot thank both enough for saving this club from dying and I have faith in the people running the Club that they will get this resolved.

As at today we have got one of the biggest games of the season coming up this Saturday and that is worthy of our support for now.

I was in Stockport yesterday and they have had no snow and with the temperatures set to rise now the game will more than likely be on.

See you all at Tranmere .......COYR'ds.
Back to Football,Heavy Snow Forecast Friday night for Merseyside,I'm still thinking about whether to go or not to go,think we'll decide early Saturday morning,after checking out the state of play!!!!!!!!!!
All being well, I'll be there for Friday night, so if it does snow, I really hope the paddock boys turn out in their numbers like our fans did to get the game on. I would think tranmere FC would not want to see this game postponed anymore than we do.

Where's that weatherman Loyal when you want him, not a peep, but he's usually pretty accurate on his forecast though.
Yeah Old Town!Micheal(LOYAL)F
ish!LOL!!!!!!!
[quote][p][bold]old town robin[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]the don69[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]TheDukeOfBanbury[/bold] wrote: Lets stop speculating. If Nick Watkins is saying relax lets relax. I am not taking sides on this one. We owe lots to both Black and Fitton for different reasons and yes both are human and mistakes have been made. I cannot thank both enough for saving this club from dying and I have faith in the people running the Club that they will get this resolved. As at today we have got one of the biggest games of the season coming up this Saturday and that is worthy of our support for now. I was in Stockport yesterday and they have had no snow and with the temperatures set to rise now the game will more than likely be on. See you all at Tranmere .......COYR'ds.[/p][/quote]Back to Football,Heavy Snow Forecast Friday night for Merseyside,I'm still thinking about whether to go or not to go,think we'll decide early Saturday morning,after checking out the state of play!!!!!!!!!![/p][/quote]All being well, I'll be there for Friday night, so if it does snow, I really hope the paddock boys turn out in their numbers like our fans did to get the game on. I would think tranmere FC would not want to see this game postponed anymore than we do. Where's that weatherman Loyal when you want him, not a peep, but he's usually pretty accurate on his forecast though.[/p][/quote]Yeah Old Town!Micheal(LOYAL)F ish!LOL!!!!!!! the don69
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3:22pm Thu 24 Jan 13

ShearerShearer says...

stfc2012 wrote:
Ritchie not worth 2m. 1m max at the moment. Not proven at championship level. Stick a sell on of 20 per cent.
Rhodes went for a reported £8M, only played two games in the championship to that point, it's whatever somebody is prepared to pay.
[quote][p][bold]stfc2012[/bold] wrote: Ritchie not worth 2m. 1m max at the moment. Not proven at championship level. Stick a sell on of 20 per cent.[/p][/quote]Rhodes went for a reported £8M, only played two games in the championship to that point, it's whatever somebody is prepared to pay. ShearerShearer
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3:28pm Thu 24 Jan 13

STFC Higworth says...

mike1990 wrote:
ciclosporindorset wrote: I am astounded that the man who helped save stfc is spoken of so badly by one on this site. Without the initial dream team and investment there would be no stfc. Get a grip!
No is speaking badly of him dorset,but lets be honest,he wasn't very good when it came to managers and players,if he keeps to the business fine,but keep out of team and managers affairs.
LOL he was awful got in Wilson who took us to Wembley and Austin who was one of the best strikers we had over the last 10 years. Cox being the best!!!! So lets not go down that route.

Get a grip,
[quote][p][bold]mike1990[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ciclosporindorset[/bold] wrote: I am astounded that the man who helped save stfc is spoken of so badly by one on this site. Without the initial dream team and investment there would be no stfc. Get a grip![/p][/quote]No is speaking badly of him dorset,but lets be honest,he wasn't very good when it came to managers and players,if he keeps to the business fine,but keep out of team and managers affairs.[/p][/quote]LOL he was awful got in Wilson who took us to Wembley and Austin who was one of the best strikers we had over the last 10 years. Cox being the best!!!! So lets not go down that route. Get a grip, STFC Higworth
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3:42pm Thu 24 Jan 13

grove red says...

If ritchie does go hope not!!! how much % do portsmouth get??? Maybe we could come to some agreement over benson. just thought.
If ritchie does go hope not!!! how much % do portsmouth get??? Maybe we could come to some agreement over benson. just thought. grove red
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3:46pm Thu 24 Jan 13

TheDukeOfBanbury says...

old town robin wrote:
the don69 wrote:
TheDukeOfBanbury wrote:
Lets stop speculating.

If Nick Watkins is saying relax lets relax.
I am not taking sides on this one. We owe lots to both Black and Fitton for different reasons and yes both are human and mistakes have been made.

I cannot thank both enough for saving this club from dying and I have faith in the people running the Club that they will get this resolved.

As at today we have got one of the biggest games of the season coming up this Saturday and that is worthy of our support for now.

I was in Stockport yesterday and they have had no snow and with the temperatures set to rise now the game will more than likely be on.

See you all at Tranmere .......COYR'ds.
Back to Football,Heavy Snow Forecast Friday night for Merseyside,I'm still thinking about whether to go or not to go,think we'll decide early Saturday morning,after checking out the state of play!!!!!!!!!!
All being well, I'll be there for Friday night, so if it does snow, I really hope the paddock boys turn out in their numbers like our fans did to get the game on. I would think tranmere FC would not want to see this game postponed anymore than we do.

Where's that weatherman Loyal when you want him, not a peep, but he's usually pretty accurate on his forecast though.
Nice one O T Robin.

If you do get up there Friday night post on the Saturday Morning and give us a weather update ??

Thanks Mate.
[quote][p][bold]old town robin[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]the don69[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]TheDukeOfBanbury[/bold] wrote: Lets stop speculating. If Nick Watkins is saying relax lets relax. I am not taking sides on this one. We owe lots to both Black and Fitton for different reasons and yes both are human and mistakes have been made. I cannot thank both enough for saving this club from dying and I have faith in the people running the Club that they will get this resolved. As at today we have got one of the biggest games of the season coming up this Saturday and that is worthy of our support for now. I was in Stockport yesterday and they have had no snow and with the temperatures set to rise now the game will more than likely be on. See you all at Tranmere .......COYR'ds.[/p][/quote]Back to Football,Heavy Snow Forecast Friday night for Merseyside,I'm still thinking about whether to go or not to go,think we'll decide early Saturday morning,after checking out the state of play!!!!!!!!!![/p][/quote]All being well, I'll be there for Friday night, so if it does snow, I really hope the paddock boys turn out in their numbers like our fans did to get the game on. I would think tranmere FC would not want to see this game postponed anymore than we do. Where's that weatherman Loyal when you want him, not a peep, but he's usually pretty accurate on his forecast though.[/p][/quote]Nice one O T Robin. If you do get up there Friday night post on the Saturday Morning and give us a weather update ?? Thanks Mate. TheDukeOfBanbury
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3:58pm Thu 24 Jan 13

FORZASTFC says...

grove red wrote:
Ritchie is worth what we can get for him if pdc says its 2 million then so be it. Zaha is not worth 10 million he's not played in the prem but if that's palaces price and they stick by it fair play. The problem in the past we have been giving players away on the cheap ie Austin cox. Lets stick to our guns for a change its 2million with a sell on clause. Coyr.
That's exactly the point mate!
Others do not see the bigger picture here????
[quote][p][bold]grove red[/bold] wrote: Ritchie is worth what we can get for him if pdc says its 2 million then so be it. Zaha is not worth 10 million he's not played in the prem but if that's palaces price and they stick by it fair play. The problem in the past we have been giving players away on the cheap ie Austin cox. Lets stick to our guns for a change its 2million with a sell on clause. Coyr.[/p][/quote]That's exactly the point mate! Others do not see the bigger picture here???? FORZASTFC
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4:02pm Thu 24 Jan 13

FORZASTFC says...

Angolan Red wrote:
Without Fitton we wouldnt exist and if the price of his return was the departure of Decanio I could live with that. Hopefully West Ham will be relegated and we get compensation from WH for Decanio
What medication are you on?
[quote][p][bold]Angolan Red[/bold] wrote: Without Fitton we wouldnt exist and if the price of his return was the departure of Decanio I could live with that. Hopefully West Ham will be relegated and we get compensation from WH for Decanio[/p][/quote]What medication are you on? FORZASTFC
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4:03pm Thu 24 Jan 13

SAPFanSTFC says...

redrobin-69 wrote:
SAPFanSTFC wrote:
dreamofacleansheet2 wrote: Mmm here we go, hang in everyone. As I said last week when Watkins said 7 potential investors. It meant one or two. Now we are down to an official three that is probably one. We only need one but I remain extremely nervous about this. Dear Mr Watkins I'll relax when you come out and tell me the ink is dry on the contracts and we know who it is. Until then you're having a laugh. Nothing to relax about but I look forward to be proven wrong. I look forward to hearing from you as soon as possible... Yours forever a Town fan Dreamo
:-) ---- I never trust anything he say's now as he is there for one thing and one thing only..."aren't things wonderful..." and "everything is fine..." that is his job. ---. I'm sure things are progressing but I'll wait to hear see the sold sign put up - and not the one with 'Subject to Contract' tagged across it.
You two need to start giving this man some serious credit. He has been the heart of the Swindon body these past five years, never put a foot wrong and only ever delivered on any word he has said. He is one of the most genuine men to walk this town too: always has time to chat to fans on match day and gauge their feelings and has been the head behind all the positive change this club has seen recently. Yes, the men with the money get the praise because ultimately they fund it behind this man is the guy who has to come up with the ideas, ask for the money and then make sure it happens successfully. It is the reassurance that the club is in good hands day to day that has led to the likes of Black being willing to pump in 10 million – ultimately, the thanks needs to go to Watkins for managing the place day in day out and slogging away out of the spotlightwithout receiving much praise.
I never said I didn't appreciate the day to day professional side of his life as he works as hard as anyone.
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FYI - I've had the pleasure of meeting him regularly and although he let himself down on one critical element of life in business he cannot be knocked for effort in most areas....
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....what I am saying though is that he is paid to make positive comments and positive comments only at this time and therefore I don't want to hear of any 'Sales Puff' prior to seeing the 'SOLD' sign........and no I don't believe him until this is done...
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.......or do you really believe he'd come out in the press at this moment in time and say - "hmmm not going so well folks but Chin Up!!".....eh!?
[quote][p][bold]redrobin-69[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SAPFanSTFC[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]dreamofacleansheet2[/bold] wrote: Mmm here we go, hang in everyone. As I said last week when Watkins said 7 potential investors. It meant one or two. Now we are down to an official three that is probably one. We only need one but I remain extremely nervous about this. Dear Mr Watkins I'll relax when you come out and tell me the ink is dry on the contracts and we know who it is. Until then you're having a laugh. Nothing to relax about but I look forward to be proven wrong. I look forward to hearing from you as soon as possible... Yours forever a Town fan Dreamo[/p][/quote]:-) ---- I never trust anything he say's now as he is there for one thing and one thing only..."aren't things wonderful..." and "everything is fine..." that is his job. ---. I'm sure things are progressing but I'll wait to hear see the sold sign put up - and not the one with 'Subject to Contract' tagged across it.[/p][/quote]You two need to start giving this man some serious credit. He has been the heart of the Swindon body these past five years, never put a foot wrong and only ever delivered on any word he has said. He is one of the most genuine men to walk this town too: always has time to chat to fans on match day and gauge their feelings and has been the head behind all the positive change this club has seen recently. Yes, the men with the money get the praise because ultimately they fund it behind this man is the guy who has to come up with the ideas, ask for the money and then make sure it happens successfully. It is the reassurance that the club is in good hands day to day that has led to the likes of Black being willing to pump in 10 million – ultimately, the thanks needs to go to Watkins for managing the place day in day out and slogging away out of the spotlightwithout receiving much praise.[/p][/quote]I never said I didn't appreciate the day to day professional side of his life as he works as hard as anyone. ... FYI - I've had the pleasure of meeting him regularly and although he let himself down on one critical element of life in business he cannot be knocked for effort in most areas.... ... ....what I am saying though is that he is paid to make positive comments and positive comments only at this time and therefore I don't want to hear of any 'Sales Puff' prior to seeing the 'SOLD' sign........and no I don't believe him until this is done... .... .......or do you really believe he'd come out in the press at this moment in time and say - "hmmm not going so well folks but Chin Up!!".....eh!? SAPFanSTFC
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4:10pm Thu 24 Jan 13

SAPFanSTFC says...

redrobin-69 wrote:
madterrier wrote:
Well said, redrobin.
Thanks mate: just think it's important we take some time to praise these guys and in particukar Watkins as opposed to always jumping to the negatives. A lot of hard work goes unnoticed
Have you ever complained to him about something!!??
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anyway - as to Madterrier's response:
Zzzzzzzzz....always like to be on the devil's advocate side eh!?...enjoy your life.
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I'm sure you remind me of someone else you know!!? :-)
[quote][p][bold]redrobin-69[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]madterrier[/bold] wrote: Well said, redrobin.[/p][/quote]Thanks mate: just think it's important we take some time to praise these guys and in particukar Watkins as opposed to always jumping to the negatives. A lot of hard work goes unnoticed[/p][/quote]Have you ever complained to him about something!!?? ..... anyway - as to Madterrier's response: Zzzzzzzzz....always like to be on the devil's advocate side eh!?...enjoy your life. .... I'm sure you remind me of someone else you know!!? :-) SAPFanSTFC
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4:19pm Thu 24 Jan 13

MITTED says...

I am amazed that the club has kept a lid on who the prospective new owners might be. I remember once Jeremy Wray saying at a Trust meeting, that he is always astonished that no matter what goes on at the club, the fans are able to find out just about everything and usually have all the elements to put the full story together. This time around, other than some sit-on-the-fence comments from Andrew Fitton, we haven't had a sniff. (and ps: I don't for one moment, believe the Wiki twaddle about uber-rich saudi princes)
COME ON YOU REDS!
I am amazed that the club has kept a lid on who the prospective new owners might be. I remember once Jeremy Wray saying at a Trust meeting, that he is always astonished that no matter what goes on at the club, the fans are able to find out just about everything and usually have all the elements to put the full story together. This time around, other than some sit-on-the-fence comments from Andrew Fitton, we haven't had a sniff. (and ps: I don't for one moment, believe the Wiki twaddle about uber-rich saudi princes) COME ON YOU REDS! MITTED
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4:36pm Thu 24 Jan 13

Old-Stager, Hilperton says...

EastleazeRed wrote:
mike1990 wrote:
ciclosporindorset wrote:
I am astounded that the man who helped save stfc is spoken of so badly by one on this site. Without the initial dream team and investment there would be no stfc. Get a grip!
No is speaking badly of him dorset,but lets be honest,he wasn't very good when it came to managers and players,if he keeps to the business fine,but keep out of team and managers affairs.
If Fitton was still in charge , we would still be knocking about in mid div league 2 , and have paul trollop as manager .
Now now Eastleaze....., I know that you are deliberatly trying to provoke me.
Just think what has happened to Bristol Rovers after they sacked Paul Trollope.
[quote][p][bold]EastleazeRed[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mike1990[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ciclosporindorset[/bold] wrote: I am astounded that the man who helped save stfc is spoken of so badly by one on this site. Without the initial dream team and investment there would be no stfc. Get a grip![/p][/quote]No is speaking badly of him dorset,but lets be honest,he wasn't very good when it came to managers and players,if he keeps to the business fine,but keep out of team and managers affairs.[/p][/quote]If Fitton was still in charge , we would still be knocking about in mid div league 2 , and have paul trollop as manager .[/p][/quote]Now now Eastleaze....., I know that you are deliberatly trying to provoke me. Just think what has happened to Bristol Rovers after they sacked Paul Trollope. Old-Stager, Hilperton
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5:05pm Thu 24 Jan 13

London Red says...

Malpas was not selected over Holloway - that was Wilson
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The reason for it was apparently they felt they would not be able to work together - which is surely fair enough as most on here are saying AF and PdC couldn't work together!
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Malpas could have been the next Bothroyd at Watford, Adkins at Scunthorpe, McDermott at Reading, Clarke at WBA or even that translator bloke who took over at Porto a while back
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Yes it turned out he was actually like Brian Kidd or John Gorman - an excellent number 2 not a manager
.
However, you never know until you give them a shot
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As Den said PdC could have been a disater - lots expected him to be!
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JW struck gold - unfortunaetly AF struck Fools Gold - but I admire him just the same for giving someone a chance
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Oh I alsso forgot to mention in what AF did was make football affordable for the people!
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Remember it was AF who slashed ST prices and had them as low as £199 for potential Champuionship football!
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It is only mow they have returned to levels last seen under Andy King!
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Hey lets forget that too as he sold Greer!
Malpas was not selected over Holloway - that was Wilson . The reason for it was apparently they felt they would not be able to work together - which is surely fair enough as most on here are saying AF and PdC couldn't work together! . Malpas could have been the next Bothroyd at Watford, Adkins at Scunthorpe, McDermott at Reading, Clarke at WBA or even that translator bloke who took over at Porto a while back . Yes it turned out he was actually like Brian Kidd or John Gorman - an excellent number 2 not a manager . However, you never know until you give them a shot . As Den said PdC could have been a disater - lots expected him to be! . JW struck gold - unfortunaetly AF struck Fools Gold - but I admire him just the same for giving someone a chance . Oh I alsso forgot to mention in what AF did was make football affordable for the people! . Remember it was AF who slashed ST prices and had them as low as £199 for potential Champuionship football! . It is only mow they have returned to levels last seen under Andy King! . Hey lets forget that too as he sold Greer! London Red
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5:11pm Thu 24 Jan 13

alchafreds says...

stfc2012 wrote:
Ritchie not worth 2m. 1m max at the moment. Not proven at championship level. Stick a sell on of 20 per cent.
in todays current market 2mil is nought
joker
[quote][p][bold]stfc2012[/bold] wrote: Ritchie not worth 2m. 1m max at the moment. Not proven at championship level. Stick a sell on of 20 per cent.[/p][/quote]in todays current market 2mil is nought joker alchafreds
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5:15pm Thu 24 Jan 13

mike1990 says...

STFC Higworth wrote:
mike1990 wrote:
ciclosporindorset wrote: I am astounded that the man who helped save stfc is spoken of so badly by one on this site. Without the initial dream team and investment there would be no stfc. Get a grip!
No is speaking badly of him dorset,but lets be honest,he wasn't very good when it came to managers and players,if he keeps to the business fine,but keep out of team and managers affairs.
LOL he was awful got in Wilson who took us to Wembley and Austin who was one of the best strikers we had over the last 10 years. Cox being the best!!!! So lets not go down that route.

Get a grip,
Shame Fitton lost his grip,always in the states,set us back two years,told us Malpas would be a great manager,got us relegated,good job Black sacked him,if he was still chairman we'd be in the Conference,thank Mr Black for giving it to Mr Wray and PDC,shame Black is now fed up and only bothered about his Nags,if Fitton comes back,thats the end for PDC.
[quote][p][bold]STFC Higworth[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mike1990[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ciclosporindorset[/bold] wrote: I am astounded that the man who helped save stfc is spoken of so badly by one on this site. Without the initial dream team and investment there would be no stfc. Get a grip![/p][/quote]No is speaking badly of him dorset,but lets be honest,he wasn't very good when it came to managers and players,if he keeps to the business fine,but keep out of team and managers affairs.[/p][/quote]LOL he was awful got in Wilson who took us to Wembley and Austin who was one of the best strikers we had over the last 10 years. Cox being the best!!!! So lets not go down that route. Get a grip,[/p][/quote]Shame Fitton lost his grip,always in the states,set us back two years,told us Malpas would be a great manager,got us relegated,good job Black sacked him,if he was still chairman we'd be in the Conference,thank Mr Black for giving it to Mr Wray and PDC,shame Black is now fed up and only bothered about his Nags,if Fitton comes back,thats the end for PDC. mike1990
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5:29pm Thu 24 Jan 13

mike1990 says...

London Red wrote:
Malpas was not selected over Holloway - that was Wilson
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The reason for it was apparently they felt they would not be able to work together - which is surely fair enough as most on here are saying AF and PdC couldn't work together!
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Malpas could have been the next Bothroyd at Watford, Adkins at Scunthorpe, McDermott at Reading, Clarke at WBA or even that translator bloke who took over at Porto a while back
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Yes it turned out he was actually like Brian Kidd or John Gorman - an excellent number 2 not a manager
.
However, you never know until you give them a shot
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As Den said PdC could have been a disater - lots expected him to be!
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JW struck gold - unfortunaetly AF struck Fools Gold - but I admire him just the same for giving someone a chance
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Oh I alsso forgot to mention in what AF did was make football affordable for the people!
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Remember it was AF who slashed ST prices and had them as low as £199 for potential Champuionship football!
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It is only mow they have returned to levels last seen under Andy King!
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Hey lets forget that too as he sold Greer!
You got it in one London Red,Fitton couldn't work with Hollaway,because he likes yes men,PDC would be gone 5 minutes after Fitton was back in charge.
[quote][p][bold]London Red[/bold] wrote: Malpas was not selected over Holloway - that was Wilson . The reason for it was apparently they felt they would not be able to work together - which is surely fair enough as most on here are saying AF and PdC couldn't work together! . Malpas could have been the next Bothroyd at Watford, Adkins at Scunthorpe, McDermott at Reading, Clarke at WBA or even that translator bloke who took over at Porto a while back . Yes it turned out he was actually like Brian Kidd or John Gorman - an excellent number 2 not a manager . However, you never know until you give them a shot . As Den said PdC could have been a disater - lots expected him to be! . JW struck gold - unfortunaetly AF struck Fools Gold - but I admire him just the same for giving someone a chance . Oh I alsso forgot to mention in what AF did was make football affordable for the people! . Remember it was AF who slashed ST prices and had them as low as £199 for potential Champuionship football! . It is only mow they have returned to levels last seen under Andy King! . Hey lets forget that too as he sold Greer![/p][/quote]You got it in one London Red,Fitton couldn't work with Hollaway,because he likes yes men,PDC would be gone 5 minutes after Fitton was back in charge. mike1990
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5:47pm Thu 24 Jan 13

Oi Den! says...

LR, you're on good form today. Another excellent post.
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Don, I don't think your mention of Ian Holloway supports your case. How do you know he would have been any better than the others you mention? I believe he was sacked by Bristol Rovers, QPR and Leicester. Sometimes manager and club fit neatly together, as Holloway clearly did at Plymouth and Blackpool. My feeling is that he wouldn't have been right for us. But who knows? Sometimes chairmen get lucky, sometimes they don't.
LR, you're on good form today. Another excellent post. . Don, I don't think your mention of Ian Holloway supports your case. How do you know he would have been any better than the others you mention? I believe he was sacked by Bristol Rovers, QPR and Leicester. Sometimes manager and club fit neatly together, as Holloway clearly did at Plymouth and Blackpool. My feeling is that he wouldn't have been right for us. But who knows? Sometimes chairmen get lucky, sometimes they don't. Oi Den!
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5:56pm Thu 24 Jan 13

Oi Den! says...

mike1990 wrote:
London Red wrote:
Malpas was not selected over Holloway - that was Wilson
.
The reason for it was apparently they felt they would not be able to work together - which is surely fair enough as most on here are saying AF and PdC couldn't work together!
.
Malpas could have been the next Bothroyd at Watford, Adkins at Scunthorpe, McDermott at Reading, Clarke at WBA or even that translator bloke who took over at Porto a while back
.
Yes it turned out he was actually like Brian Kidd or John Gorman - an excellent number 2 not a manager
.
However, you never know until you give them a shot
.
As Den said PdC could have been a disater - lots expected him to be!
.
JW struck gold - unfortunaetly AF struck Fools Gold - but I admire him just the same for giving someone a chance
.
Oh I alsso forgot to mention in what AF did was make football affordable for the people!
.
Remember it was AF who slashed ST prices and had them as low as £199 for potential Champuionship football!
.
It is only mow they have returned to levels last seen under Andy King!
.
Hey lets forget that too as he sold Greer!
You got it in one London Red,Fitton couldn't work with Hollaway,because he likes yes men,PDC would be gone 5 minutes after Fitton was back in charge.
MIke, I don't think that's fair. At times, PDC has needed reining in and I'm not sure Wray always did that. So it could equally be argued that Wray was PDC's "yes" man, which probably wouldn't be fair either, because we don't know enough about what really goes on behind the scenes.
[quote][p][bold]mike1990[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]London Red[/bold] wrote: Malpas was not selected over Holloway - that was Wilson . The reason for it was apparently they felt they would not be able to work together - which is surely fair enough as most on here are saying AF and PdC couldn't work together! . Malpas could have been the next Bothroyd at Watford, Adkins at Scunthorpe, McDermott at Reading, Clarke at WBA or even that translator bloke who took over at Porto a while back . Yes it turned out he was actually like Brian Kidd or John Gorman - an excellent number 2 not a manager . However, you never know until you give them a shot . As Den said PdC could have been a disater - lots expected him to be! . JW struck gold - unfortunaetly AF struck Fools Gold - but I admire him just the same for giving someone a chance . Oh I alsso forgot to mention in what AF did was make football affordable for the people! . Remember it was AF who slashed ST prices and had them as low as £199 for potential Champuionship football! . It is only mow they have returned to levels last seen under Andy King! . Hey lets forget that too as he sold Greer![/p][/quote]You got it in one London Red,Fitton couldn't work with Hollaway,because he likes yes men,PDC would be gone 5 minutes after Fitton was back in charge.[/p][/quote]MIke, I don't think that's fair. At times, PDC has needed reining in and I'm not sure Wray always did that. So it could equally be argued that Wray was PDC's "yes" man, which probably wouldn't be fair either, because we don't know enough about what really goes on behind the scenes. Oi Den!
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6:53pm Thu 24 Jan 13

madterrier says...

SAPFanSTFC wrote:
redrobin-69 wrote:
madterrier wrote:
Well said, redrobin.
Thanks mate: just think it's important we take some time to praise these guys and in particukar Watkins as opposed to always jumping to the negatives. A lot of hard work goes unnoticed
Have you ever complained to him about something!!??
.....
anyway - as to Madterrier's response:
Zzzzzzzzz....always like to be on the devil's advocate side eh!?...enjoy your life.
....
I'm sure you remind me of someone else you know!!? :-)
Not sure what your issue is here SAPF - obviously you've had some sort of run-in with Watkins? I also had my wrist slapped over a tickets issue a while back so I know it's easy to take a contrary stance.

But nonetheless he still puts in a lot of hard work, takes time to mix with fans, and in the current situation, along with Paolo, offers the only real continuity as Andrew Black and Patey will be gone soon.
[quote][p][bold]SAPFanSTFC[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]redrobin-69[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]madterrier[/bold] wrote: Well said, redrobin.[/p][/quote]Thanks mate: just think it's important we take some time to praise these guys and in particukar Watkins as opposed to always jumping to the negatives. A lot of hard work goes unnoticed[/p][/quote]Have you ever complained to him about something!!?? ..... anyway - as to Madterrier's response: Zzzzzzzzz....always like to be on the devil's advocate side eh!?...enjoy your life. .... I'm sure you remind me of someone else you know!!? :-)[/p][/quote]Not sure what your issue is here SAPF - obviously you've had some sort of run-in with Watkins? I also had my wrist slapped over a tickets issue a while back so I know it's easy to take a contrary stance. But nonetheless he still puts in a lot of hard work, takes time to mix with fans, and in the current situation, along with Paolo, offers the only real continuity as Andrew Black and Patey will be gone soon. madterrier
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8:08pm Thu 24 Jan 13

The Jockster says...

Angolan Red wrote:
Without Fitton we wouldnt exist and if the price of his return was the departure of Decanio I could live with that. Hopefully West Ham will be relegated and we get compensation from WH for Decanio
The 1st five words I can relate to -the next dozen or so might as well be written in Mandarin because they certainly make no sense to me!
[quote][p][bold]Angolan Red[/bold] wrote: Without Fitton we wouldnt exist and if the price of his return was the departure of Decanio I could live with that. Hopefully West Ham will be relegated and we get compensation from WH for Decanio[/p][/quote]The 1st five words I can relate to -the next dozen or so might as well be written in Mandarin because they certainly make no sense to me! The Jockster
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8:36pm Thu 24 Jan 13

The Jockster says...

SAPFanSTFC wrote:
redrobin-69 wrote:
madterrier wrote:
Well said, redrobin.
Thanks mate: just think it's important we take some time to praise these guys and in particukar Watkins as opposed to always jumping to the negatives. A lot of hard work goes unnoticed
Have you ever complained to him about something!!??
.....
anyway - as to Madterrier's response:
Zzzzzzzzz....always like to be on the devil's advocate side eh!?...enjoy your life.
....
I'm sure you remind me of someone else you know!!? :-)
SAP mind if I ask why you needed to fire a rather nasty cheap shot across Terrier's bows?

I really don't understand your angle here, in your 4.03 post you also praise NW which is only the same as what Terrier is doing in endorsing Red Robins's comments isn't it -or am I missing something?
[quote][p][bold]SAPFanSTFC[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]redrobin-69[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]madterrier[/bold] wrote: Well said, redrobin.[/p][/quote]Thanks mate: just think it's important we take some time to praise these guys and in particukar Watkins as opposed to always jumping to the negatives. A lot of hard work goes unnoticed[/p][/quote]Have you ever complained to him about something!!?? ..... anyway - as to Madterrier's response: Zzzzzzzzz....always like to be on the devil's advocate side eh!?...enjoy your life. .... I'm sure you remind me of someone else you know!!? :-)[/p][/quote]SAP mind if I ask why you needed to fire a rather nasty cheap shot across Terrier's bows? I really don't understand your angle here, in your 4.03 post you also praise NW which is only the same as what Terrier is doing in endorsing Red Robins's comments isn't it -or am I missing something? The Jockster
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8:55pm Thu 24 Jan 13

The Jockster says...

Old-Stager, Hilperton wrote:
EastleazeRed wrote:
mike1990 wrote:
ciclosporindorset wrote:
I am astounded that the man who helped save stfc is spoken of so badly by one on this site. Without the initial dream team and investment there would be no stfc. Get a grip!
No is speaking badly of him dorset,but lets be honest,he wasn't very good when it came to managers and players,if he keeps to the business fine,but keep out of team and managers affairs.
If Fitton was still in charge , we would still be knocking about in mid div league 2 , and have paul trollop as manager .
Now now Eastleaze....., I know that you are deliberatly trying to provoke me.
Just think what has happened to Bristol Rovers after they sacked Paul Trollope.
Old Stager I agree - young Trollope was /is not in the PdC or Ollie class but he's certainly been the Gasheads best manager in recent years and I doubt they'd be fighting for their football league status if he were still at the helm.
[quote][p][bold]Old-Stager, Hilperton[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]EastleazeRed[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mike1990[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ciclosporindorset[/bold] wrote: I am astounded that the man who helped save stfc is spoken of so badly by one on this site. Without the initial dream team and investment there would be no stfc. Get a grip![/p][/quote]No is speaking badly of him dorset,but lets be honest,he wasn't very good when it came to managers and players,if he keeps to the business fine,but keep out of team and managers affairs.[/p][/quote]If Fitton was still in charge , we would still be knocking about in mid div league 2 , and have paul trollop as manager .[/p][/quote]Now now Eastleaze....., I know that you are deliberatly trying to provoke me. Just think what has happened to Bristol Rovers after they sacked Paul Trollope.[/p][/quote]Old Stager I agree - young Trollope was /is not in the PdC or Ollie class but he's certainly been the Gasheads best manager in recent years and I doubt they'd be fighting for their football league status if he were still at the helm. The Jockster
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8:55pm Thu 24 Jan 13

KojaktheWarg says...

ShearerShearer wrote:
No need to panic, let's wait and see what the deal is.

On another subject just watched the "Hazard incident".

Is the ball boy's surname Suarez?

Quite clearly he kicks under his body at the ball, sending off was a joke (an no I'm not a Chelski fan, Im quite happy to see Swansea v Bradford in the final).
I recall a not too disimilar incident at the OUFC v STFC game. I think Ritchie got booked. The ball boy must be related to the Swansea one. Really annoys me when a club runs the ball boys so unprofessionally. I know its not wimbledon but some discipline at least please!!!
[quote][p][bold]ShearerShearer[/bold] wrote: No need to panic, let's wait and see what the deal is. On another subject just watched the "Hazard incident". Is the ball boy's surname Suarez? Quite clearly he kicks under his body at the ball, sending off was a joke (an no I'm not a Chelski fan, Im quite happy to see Swansea v Bradford in the final).[/p][/quote]I recall a not too disimilar incident at the OUFC v STFC game. I think Ritchie got booked. The ball boy must be related to the Swansea one. Really annoys me when a club runs the ball boys so unprofessionally. I know its not wimbledon but some discipline at least please!!! KojaktheWarg
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9:06pm Thu 24 Jan 13

Maxwell'79 says...

Does anyone have a clue as to who is in discussions to purchase the club?

Normally there are rumors however all I can see is a split in opinion over whether Fitton should return or not and no other info on prospective ownership......!
Does anyone have a clue as to who is in discussions to purchase the club? Normally there are rumors however all I can see is a split in opinion over whether Fitton should return or not and no other info on prospective ownership......! Maxwell'79
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9:20pm Thu 24 Jan 13

The Jockster says...

eastmidsred wrote:
All the speculation might be fun or just reflect our anxiety. However, I would just say this about Jeremy Wray - he let the situation get out of control and therefore is partly responsible for the financial mess despite all the good things which he did, especially bringing Paolo in. I'm not so keen to bring back JW. The new owners will need very deep pockets to establish and sustain us as a Championship side and also be able to work with PdC while keeping things under control. We don't want a repeat in two years time.
I think its a very fine balancing act. I don't think JW really let the situation get out of control? He wanted to ensure the PdC express didn't get de-railed and at that time AB was still prepared to stump up the money. If JW or/and AF were to return to the fold I'm sure both of them will have learned some hard lessons since their initial baptism in running a football club.
[quote][p][bold]eastmidsred[/bold] wrote: All the speculation might be fun or just reflect our anxiety. However, I would just say this about Jeremy Wray - he let the situation get out of control and therefore is partly responsible for the financial mess despite all the good things which he did, especially bringing Paolo in. I'm not so keen to bring back JW. The new owners will need very deep pockets to establish and sustain us as a Championship side and also be able to work with PdC while keeping things under control. We don't want a repeat in two years time.[/p][/quote]I think its a very fine balancing act. I don't think JW really let the situation get out of control? He wanted to ensure the PdC express didn't get de-railed and at that time AB was still prepared to stump up the money. If JW or/and AF were to return to the fold I'm sure both of them will have learned some hard lessons since their initial baptism in running a football club. The Jockster
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9:47pm Thu 24 Jan 13

old town robin says...

KojaktheWarg wrote:
ShearerShearer wrote:
No need to panic, let's wait and see what the deal is.

On another subject just watched the "Hazard incident".

Is the ball boy's surname Suarez?

Quite clearly he kicks under his body at the ball, sending off was a joke (an no I'm not a Chelski fan, Im quite happy to see Swansea v Bradford in the final).
I recall a not too disimilar incident at the OUFC v STFC game. I think Ritchie got booked. The ball boy must be related to the Swansea one. Really annoys me when a club runs the ball boys so unprofessionally. I know its not wimbledon but some discipline at least please!!!
I saw a similar incident on TV a month or two back for a blades games at home. Wilson brushed it off but again the player got the stick for swearing and the ball boy got the sympathy.

I would hope none of our ball boys behave in such an unsporting manner. A fine on the club concerned and a ban on any ballboy behaving in such away will quickly bring these unsavioury acts to book.
[quote][p][bold]KojaktheWarg[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ShearerShearer[/bold] wrote: No need to panic, let's wait and see what the deal is. On another subject just watched the "Hazard incident". Is the ball boy's surname Suarez? Quite clearly he kicks under his body at the ball, sending off was a joke (an no I'm not a Chelski fan, Im quite happy to see Swansea v Bradford in the final).[/p][/quote]I recall a not too disimilar incident at the OUFC v STFC game. I think Ritchie got booked. The ball boy must be related to the Swansea one. Really annoys me when a club runs the ball boys so unprofessionally. I know its not wimbledon but some discipline at least please!!![/p][/quote]I saw a similar incident on TV a month or two back for a blades games at home. Wilson brushed it off but again the player got the stick for swearing and the ball boy got the sympathy. I would hope none of our ball boys behave in such an unsporting manner. A fine on the club concerned and a ban on any ballboy behaving in such away will quickly bring these unsavioury acts to book. old town robin
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10:04pm Thu 24 Jan 13

The Jockster says...

London Red wrote:
Med/Don – your comments show that your research is on par with the FL paper!
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Have you not even bothered to look at the accounts? That alone before listening to comments made by SWP etc show you are talking nonsense!
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Sir Arbib has an interest free loan direct with the club for £1m – so that’s 10% of the total £10m owed at that point in time there and then! Some what more than 2%
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Ownership and debt are 2 different things – the ownership is in relation to the shares – which STFC Holdings own 98% of the shares in STFC of which I believe (can not confirm for sure) is now owned 100% by AB – thus the share shuffle Fitton was referring to and also is how AB has total control!
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The debt which stood at just under £10m in the last set of accounts – which must now have grown to £13m reported – was dominated by amounts owed to STFC Holdings (c£7.5m)
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SWP clearly said this was primarily funded by a number of loans made by the Directors – and practically named Fitton and Wray! (Both have also confirmed debt is owed to them this week)
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Now do you honestly think AB/SWP would be talking about a needing debt/equity swap in STFC Holdings if AF and JW only had loans of £150k (2% of £7.5m) – somehow I don’t think so!
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Yes AB has most of that “amounts owed to ultimate parent company” owed to him and also owns 98% of the shares meaning any new losses goes into his section (probably the additional £3m growth seen) – but that doesn’t mean AF and JW did not invested a significant amount of money into buying STFC when the consortium took over and cleared our debts
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The fact they have said they have the power to help a sale and the discussion of equity swap clearly suggests their debt is 7 figures!

OTR – you must have skipped a fair few posts if you have not seen any AF bashers – Med/Don are 2 clear ones!
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Also you might want to re-read my view point on player sales to balance the books- I have never taken a pure accountant view – just said it is vital not just to STFC but most clubs that this forms a section of income generated – all clubs would want to make net transfer income
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My view is and always has been you make an initial outlay – the “speculate to accumulate” – which we have done already! - but then use the proceeds from that initial speculation to continue that going
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Cox was first speculation - Austin came from his sale – then from his we got Ritchie, Flint and probably Wes, Collins and Troy – if Ritchie is next to go then hopefully we will then land X, Y and Z to keep it going with another going after that and A,B and C coming in
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I have always said profits should be split – so using Ritchie as an example (only in the summer if we don’t go up) if he goes for £2m – we use £1m to help balance the books (66% of typical £1.5m loss) and £1m to buy the next 2 or 3 future prospects to push the club forward
Brilliant LR - Don & Med - Mama Mia you don't a messa wid the Luigi Risotto the numbers man working da rackets for the Mafioso lol!

I've disagreed with LR on many occasions over views on the team's performance and what I consider to be his somewhat myopic defence of Pdc on occasions ala he is god he is always right, but by golly gosh I ain't going to dispute the boy's numbers game - I didn't tongue in cheek christen him Statto for nothing on here.

Some really good stuff from you on here today LR -well done.
[quote][p][bold]London Red[/bold] wrote: Med/Don – your comments show that your research is on par with the FL paper! . Have you not even bothered to look at the accounts? That alone before listening to comments made by SWP etc show you are talking nonsense! . Sir Arbib has an interest free loan direct with the club for £1m – so that’s 10% of the total £10m owed at that point in time there and then! Some what more than 2% . Ownership and debt are 2 different things – the ownership is in relation to the shares – which STFC Holdings own 98% of the shares in STFC of which I believe (can not confirm for sure) is now owned 100% by AB – thus the share shuffle Fitton was referring to and also is how AB has total control! . The debt which stood at just under £10m in the last set of accounts – which must now have grown to £13m reported – was dominated by amounts owed to STFC Holdings (c£7.5m) . SWP clearly said this was primarily funded by a number of loans made by the Directors – and practically named Fitton and Wray! (Both have also confirmed debt is owed to them this week) . Now do you honestly think AB/SWP would be talking about a needing debt/equity swap in STFC Holdings if AF and JW only had loans of £150k (2% of £7.5m) – somehow I don’t think so! . Yes AB has most of that “amounts owed to ultimate parent company” owed to him and also owns 98% of the shares meaning any new losses goes into his section (probably the additional £3m growth seen) – but that doesn’t mean AF and JW did not invested a significant amount of money into buying STFC when the consortium took over and cleared our debts . The fact they have said they have the power to help a sale and the discussion of equity swap clearly suggests their debt is 7 figures! OTR – you must have skipped a fair few posts if you have not seen any AF bashers – Med/Don are 2 clear ones! . Also you might want to re-read my view point on player sales to balance the books- I have never taken a pure accountant view – just said it is vital not just to STFC but most clubs that this forms a section of income generated – all clubs would want to make net transfer income . My view is and always has been you make an initial outlay – the “speculate to accumulate” – which we have done already! - but then use the proceeds from that initial speculation to continue that going . Cox was first speculation - Austin came from his sale – then from his we got Ritchie, Flint and probably Wes, Collins and Troy – if Ritchie is next to go then hopefully we will then land X, Y and Z to keep it going with another going after that and A,B and C coming in . I have always said profits should be split – so using Ritchie as an example (only in the summer if we don’t go up) if he goes for £2m – we use £1m to help balance the books (66% of typical £1.5m loss) and £1m to buy the next 2 or 3 future prospects to push the club forward[/p][/quote]Brilliant LR - Don & Med - Mama Mia you don't a messa wid the Luigi Risotto the numbers man working da rackets for the Mafioso lol! I've disagreed with LR on many occasions over views on the team's performance and what I consider to be his somewhat myopic defence of Pdc on occasions ala he is god he is always right, but by golly gosh I ain't going to dispute the boy's numbers game - I didn't tongue in cheek christen him Statto for nothing on here. Some really good stuff from you on here today LR -well done. The Jockster
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10:09pm Thu 24 Jan 13

The Jockster says...

old town robin wrote:
KojaktheWarg wrote:
ShearerShearer wrote:
No need to panic, let's wait and see what the deal is.

On another subject just watched the "Hazard incident".

Is the ball boy's surname Suarez?

Quite clearly he kicks under his body at the ball, sending off was a joke (an no I'm not a Chelski fan, Im quite happy to see Swansea v Bradford in the final).
I recall a not too disimilar incident at the OUFC v STFC game. I think Ritchie got booked. The ball boy must be related to the Swansea one. Really annoys me when a club runs the ball boys so unprofessionally. I know its not wimbledon but some discipline at least please!!!
I saw a similar incident on TV a month or two back for a blades games at home. Wilson brushed it off but again the player got the stick for swearing and the ball boy got the sympathy.

I would hope none of our ball boys behave in such an unsporting manner. A fine on the club concerned and a ban on any ballboy behaving in such away will quickly bring these unsavioury acts to book.
Pity the little scroat didn't get a kick in the goolies -he'd been tweeting beforehand that he was going to time waste if he got hold of the ball. I dont for one moment condone Hazard's actions but I can understand them.
[quote][p][bold]old town robin[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]KojaktheWarg[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ShearerShearer[/bold] wrote: No need to panic, let's wait and see what the deal is. On another subject just watched the "Hazard incident". Is the ball boy's surname Suarez? Quite clearly he kicks under his body at the ball, sending off was a joke (an no I'm not a Chelski fan, Im quite happy to see Swansea v Bradford in the final).[/p][/quote]I recall a not too disimilar incident at the OUFC v STFC game. I think Ritchie got booked. The ball boy must be related to the Swansea one. Really annoys me when a club runs the ball boys so unprofessionally. I know its not wimbledon but some discipline at least please!!![/p][/quote]I saw a similar incident on TV a month or two back for a blades games at home. Wilson brushed it off but again the player got the stick for swearing and the ball boy got the sympathy. I would hope none of our ball boys behave in such an unsporting manner. A fine on the club concerned and a ban on any ballboy behaving in such away will quickly bring these unsavioury acts to book.[/p][/quote]Pity the little scroat didn't get a kick in the goolies -he'd been tweeting beforehand that he was going to time waste if he got hold of the ball. I dont for one moment condone Hazard's actions but I can understand them. The Jockster
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10:09pm Thu 24 Jan 13

Stilloyal says...

I think the forcast up there for tomorrow and Saturday is wet snow turning to rain and above freezing.


Fitton helped save the club with his business accumen and I'm grateful for that. However he had his weaknesses when it came to other areas.


Black owns 98 % of the club but Fitton doesn't own the other 2%, that is shared between him , me and a few hundred others. Fitton maybe owns up to 1%.
Can't wait to find out who the new owners will be and I have no objection to Fitton being part of that as long as he's not chairman.
I think the forcast up there for tomorrow and Saturday is wet snow turning to rain and above freezing. Fitton helped save the club with his business accumen and I'm grateful for that. However he had his weaknesses when it came to other areas. Black owns 98 % of the club but Fitton doesn't own the other 2%, that is shared between him , me and a few hundred others. Fitton maybe owns up to 1%. Can't wait to find out who the new owners will be and I have no objection to Fitton being part of that as long as he's not chairman. Stilloyal
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10:14pm Thu 24 Jan 13

the don69 says...

Oi Den! wrote:
LR, you're on good form today. Another excellent post.
.
Don, I don't think your mention of Ian Holloway supports your case. How do you know he would have been any better than the others you mention? I believe he was sacked by Bristol Rovers, QPR and Leicester. Sometimes manager and club fit neatly together, as Holloway clearly did at Plymouth and Blackpool. My feeling is that he wouldn't have been right for us. But who knows? Sometimes chairmen get lucky, sometimes they don't.
We'll just have to agree to disagree on Fitton!football is a game of opinions and in my opinion Fitton had his chance and failed!it will be Arrivederci Paolo,if there's a return of Fitton.the exciting Paolo express will be derailed and back to the dark ages of the likes of Malpas,Wilson and the unlucky Harte what a depressing thought!!!!!
[quote][p][bold]Oi Den![/bold] wrote: LR, you're on good form today. Another excellent post. . Don, I don't think your mention of Ian Holloway supports your case. How do you know he would have been any better than the others you mention? I believe he was sacked by Bristol Rovers, QPR and Leicester. Sometimes manager and club fit neatly together, as Holloway clearly did at Plymouth and Blackpool. My feeling is that he wouldn't have been right for us. But who knows? Sometimes chairmen get lucky, sometimes they don't.[/p][/quote]We'll just have to agree to disagree on Fitton!football is a game of opinions and in my opinion Fitton had his chance and failed!it will be Arrivederci Paolo,if there's a return of Fitton.the exciting Paolo express will be derailed and back to the dark ages of the likes of Malpas,Wilson and the unlucky Harte what a depressing thought!!!!! the don69
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10:15pm Thu 24 Jan 13

Oi Den! says...

old town robin wrote:
KojaktheWarg wrote:
ShearerShearer wrote:
No need to panic, let's wait and see what the deal is.

On another subject just watched the "Hazard incident".

Is the ball boy's surname Suarez?

Quite clearly he kicks under his body at the ball, sending off was a joke (an no I'm not a Chelski fan, Im quite happy to see Swansea v Bradford in the final).
I recall a not too disimilar incident at the OUFC v STFC game. I think Ritchie got booked. The ball boy must be related to the Swansea one. Really annoys me when a club runs the ball boys so unprofessionally. I know its not wimbledon but some discipline at least please!!!
I saw a similar incident on TV a month or two back for a blades games at home. Wilson brushed it off but again the player got the stick for swearing and the ball boy got the sympathy.

I would hope none of our ball boys behave in such an unsporting manner. A fine on the club concerned and a ban on any ballboy behaving in such away will quickly bring these unsavioury acts to book.
Agree OTR. Hoddle said last night that clubs instruct their ball boys to behave like that. If so, it's appalling. It would soon stop if refs were told to add at least a minute every time they see a ball boy time wasting. I hear the Swansea ball boy is being nominated for an Oscar. The player should have known better, but all he seemed to do was toe-poke the ball from under the kid (er, kid? apparently he's 17).
[quote][p][bold]old town robin[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]KojaktheWarg[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ShearerShearer[/bold] wrote: No need to panic, let's wait and see what the deal is. On another subject just watched the "Hazard incident". Is the ball boy's surname Suarez? Quite clearly he kicks under his body at the ball, sending off was a joke (an no I'm not a Chelski fan, Im quite happy to see Swansea v Bradford in the final).[/p][/quote]I recall a not too disimilar incident at the OUFC v STFC game. I think Ritchie got booked. The ball boy must be related to the Swansea one. Really annoys me when a club runs the ball boys so unprofessionally. I know its not wimbledon but some discipline at least please!!![/p][/quote]I saw a similar incident on TV a month or two back for a blades games at home. Wilson brushed it off but again the player got the stick for swearing and the ball boy got the sympathy. I would hope none of our ball boys behave in such an unsporting manner. A fine on the club concerned and a ban on any ballboy behaving in such away will quickly bring these unsavioury acts to book.[/p][/quote]Agree OTR. Hoddle said last night that clubs instruct their ball boys to behave like that. If so, it's appalling. It would soon stop if refs were told to add at least a minute every time they see a ball boy time wasting. I hear the Swansea ball boy is being nominated for an Oscar. The player should have known better, but all he seemed to do was toe-poke the ball from under the kid (er, kid? apparently he's 17). Oi Den!
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10:19pm Thu 24 Jan 13

Oi Den! says...

the don69 wrote:
Oi Den! wrote:
LR, you're on good form today. Another excellent post.
.
Don, I don't think your mention of Ian Holloway supports your case. How do you know he would have been any better than the others you mention? I believe he was sacked by Bristol Rovers, QPR and Leicester. Sometimes manager and club fit neatly together, as Holloway clearly did at Plymouth and Blackpool. My feeling is that he wouldn't have been right for us. But who knows? Sometimes chairmen get lucky, sometimes they don't.
We'll just have to agree to disagree on Fitton!football is a game of opinions and in my opinion Fitton had his chance and failed!it will be Arrivederci Paolo,if there's a return of Fitton.the exciting Paolo express will be derailed and back to the dark ages of the likes of Malpas,Wilson and the unlucky Harte what a depressing thought!!!!!
Good bit of jousting Don - there's nowt like a good healthy disagreement!
[quote][p][bold]the don69[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Oi Den![/bold] wrote: LR, you're on good form today. Another excellent post. . Don, I don't think your mention of Ian Holloway supports your case. How do you know he would have been any better than the others you mention? I believe he was sacked by Bristol Rovers, QPR and Leicester. Sometimes manager and club fit neatly together, as Holloway clearly did at Plymouth and Blackpool. My feeling is that he wouldn't have been right for us. But who knows? Sometimes chairmen get lucky, sometimes they don't.[/p][/quote]We'll just have to agree to disagree on Fitton!football is a game of opinions and in my opinion Fitton had his chance and failed!it will be Arrivederci Paolo,if there's a return of Fitton.the exciting Paolo express will be derailed and back to the dark ages of the likes of Malpas,Wilson and the unlucky Harte what a depressing thought!!!!![/p][/quote]Good bit of jousting Don - there's nowt like a good healthy disagreement! Oi Den!
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10:26pm Thu 24 Jan 13

old town robin says...

Stilloyal wrote:
I think the forcast up there for tomorrow and Saturday is wet snow turning to rain and above freezing.


Fitton helped save the club with his business accumen and I'm grateful for that. However he had his weaknesses when it came to other areas.


Black owns 98 % of the club but Fitton doesn't own the other 2%, that is shared between him , me and a few hundred others. Fitton maybe owns up to 1%.
Can't wait to find out who the new owners will be and I have no objection to Fitton being part of that as long as he's not chairman.
Thanks for the weather forecast Loyal, can't wait to get up there come rain or snow.

Been on the Paddock site again tonight, they are so confident they will turn us over and already working out how many more wins they need to get automatic promotion. Seems if they win Saturday best we can hope for is play-offs. Isn't it great to be an underdog, lol
[quote][p][bold]Stilloyal[/bold] wrote: I think the forcast up there for tomorrow and Saturday is wet snow turning to rain and above freezing. Fitton helped save the club with his business accumen and I'm grateful for that. However he had his weaknesses when it came to other areas. Black owns 98 % of the club but Fitton doesn't own the other 2%, that is shared between him , me and a few hundred others. Fitton maybe owns up to 1%. Can't wait to find out who the new owners will be and I have no objection to Fitton being part of that as long as he's not chairman.[/p][/quote]Thanks for the weather forecast Loyal, can't wait to get up there come rain or snow. Been on the Paddock site again tonight, they are so confident they will turn us over and already working out how many more wins they need to get automatic promotion. Seems if they win Saturday best we can hope for is play-offs. Isn't it great to be an underdog, lol old town robin
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10:55pm Thu 24 Jan 13

The Jockster says...

Oi Den! wrote:
old town robin wrote:
KojaktheWarg wrote:
ShearerShearer wrote:
No need to panic, let's wait and see what the deal is.

On another subject just watched the "Hazard incident".

Is the ball boy's surname Suarez?

Quite clearly he kicks under his body at the ball, sending off was a joke (an no I'm not a Chelski fan, Im quite happy to see Swansea v Bradford in the final).
I recall a not too disimilar incident at the OUFC v STFC game. I think Ritchie got booked. The ball boy must be related to the Swansea one. Really annoys me when a club runs the ball boys so unprofessionally. I know its not wimbledon but some discipline at least please!!!
I saw a similar incident on TV a month or two back for a blades games at home. Wilson brushed it off but again the player got the stick for swearing and the ball boy got the sympathy.

I would hope none of our ball boys behave in such an unsporting manner. A fine on the club concerned and a ban on any ballboy behaving in such away will quickly bring these unsavioury acts to book.
Agree OTR. Hoddle said last night that clubs instruct their ball boys to behave like that. If so, it's appalling. It would soon stop if refs were told to add at least a minute every time they see a ball boy time wasting. I hear the Swansea ball boy is being nominated for an Oscar. The player should have known better, but all he seemed to do was toe-poke the ball from under the kid (er, kid? apparently he's 17).
More like a Toscar the little Tom T!t!!
[quote][p][bold]Oi Den![/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]old town robin[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]KojaktheWarg[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ShearerShearer[/bold] wrote: No need to panic, let's wait and see what the deal is. On another subject just watched the "Hazard incident". Is the ball boy's surname Suarez? Quite clearly he kicks under his body at the ball, sending off was a joke (an no I'm not a Chelski fan, Im quite happy to see Swansea v Bradford in the final).[/p][/quote]I recall a not too disimilar incident at the OUFC v STFC game. I think Ritchie got booked. The ball boy must be related to the Swansea one. Really annoys me when a club runs the ball boys so unprofessionally. I know its not wimbledon but some discipline at least please!!![/p][/quote]I saw a similar incident on TV a month or two back for a blades games at home. Wilson brushed it off but again the player got the stick for swearing and the ball boy got the sympathy. I would hope none of our ball boys behave in such an unsporting manner. A fine on the club concerned and a ban on any ballboy behaving in such away will quickly bring these unsavioury acts to book.[/p][/quote]Agree OTR. Hoddle said last night that clubs instruct their ball boys to behave like that. If so, it's appalling. It would soon stop if refs were told to add at least a minute every time they see a ball boy time wasting. I hear the Swansea ball boy is being nominated for an Oscar. The player should have known better, but all he seemed to do was toe-poke the ball from under the kid (er, kid? apparently he's 17).[/p][/quote]More like a Toscar the little Tom T!t!! The Jockster
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11:06pm Thu 24 Jan 13

the don69 says...

The Jockster wrote:
London Red wrote:
Med/Don – your comments show that your research is on par with the FL paper!
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Have you not even bothered to look at the accounts? That alone before listening to comments made by SWP etc show you are talking nonsense!
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Sir Arbib has an interest free loan direct with the club for £1m – so that’s 10% of the total £10m owed at that point in time there and then! Some what more than 2%
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Ownership and debt are 2 different things – the ownership is in relation to the shares – which STFC Holdings own 98% of the shares in STFC of which I believe (can not confirm for sure) is now owned 100% by AB – thus the share shuffle Fitton was referring to and also is how AB has total control!
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The debt which stood at just under £10m in the last set of accounts – which must now have grown to £13m reported – was dominated by amounts owed to STFC Holdings (c£7.5m)
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SWP clearly said this was primarily funded by a number of loans made by the Directors – and practically named Fitton and Wray! (Both have also confirmed debt is owed to them this week)
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Now do you honestly think AB/SWP would be talking about a needing debt/equity swap in STFC Holdings if AF and JW only had loans of £150k (2% of £7.5m) – somehow I don’t think so!
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Yes AB has most of that “amounts owed to ultimate parent company” owed to him and also owns 98% of the shares meaning any new losses goes into his section (probably the additional £3m growth seen) – but that doesn’t mean AF and JW did not invested a significant amount of money into buying STFC when the consortium took over and cleared our debts
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The fact they have said they have the power to help a sale and the discussion of equity swap clearly suggests their debt is 7 figures!

OTR – you must have skipped a fair few posts if you have not seen any AF bashers – Med/Don are 2 clear ones!
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Also you might want to re-read my view point on player sales to balance the books- I have never taken a pure accountant view – just said it is vital not just to STFC but most clubs that this forms a section of income generated – all clubs would want to make net transfer income
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My view is and always has been you make an initial outlay – the “speculate to accumulate” – which we have done already! - but then use the proceeds from that initial speculation to continue that going
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Cox was first speculation - Austin came from his sale – then from his we got Ritchie, Flint and probably Wes, Collins and Troy – if Ritchie is next to go then hopefully we will then land X, Y and Z to keep it going with another going after that and A,B and C coming in
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I have always said profits should be split – so using Ritchie as an example (only in the summer if we don’t go up) if he goes for £2m – we use £1m to help balance the books (66% of typical £1.5m loss) and £1m to buy the next 2 or 3 future prospects to push the club forward
Brilliant LR - Don & Med - Mama Mia you don't a messa wid the Luigi Risotto the numbers man working da rackets for the Mafioso lol!

I've disagreed with LR on many occasions over views on the team's performance and what I consider to be his somewhat myopic defence of Pdc on occasions ala he is god he is always right, but by golly gosh I ain't going to dispute the boy's numbers game - I didn't tongue in cheek christen him Statto for nothing on here.

Some really good stuff from you on here today LR -well done.
That's just what it is Jockster a numbers racket!bean counters(accountants
)manipulate and massage the numbers any which way they like!none of us know the facts of how much debt and equity each board member has?all we know is Black is the main man and he calls all the shots,the rest of the board members are small fish!Black is the DON the rest are his foot solders running his racket!LOL!!!!!!!!!!
[quote][p][bold]The Jockster[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]London Red[/bold] wrote: Med/Don – your comments show that your research is on par with the FL paper! . Have you not even bothered to look at the accounts? That alone before listening to comments made by SWP etc show you are talking nonsense! . Sir Arbib has an interest free loan direct with the club for £1m – so that’s 10% of the total £10m owed at that point in time there and then! Some what more than 2% . Ownership and debt are 2 different things – the ownership is in relation to the shares – which STFC Holdings own 98% of the shares in STFC of which I believe (can not confirm for sure) is now owned 100% by AB – thus the share shuffle Fitton was referring to and also is how AB has total control! . The debt which stood at just under £10m in the last set of accounts – which must now have grown to £13m reported – was dominated by amounts owed to STFC Holdings (c£7.5m) . SWP clearly said this was primarily funded by a number of loans made by the Directors – and practically named Fitton and Wray! (Both have also confirmed debt is owed to them this week) . Now do you honestly think AB/SWP would be talking about a needing debt/equity swap in STFC Holdings if AF and JW only had loans of £150k (2% of £7.5m) – somehow I don’t think so! . Yes AB has most of that “amounts owed to ultimate parent company” owed to him and also owns 98% of the shares meaning any new losses goes into his section (probably the additional £3m growth seen) – but that doesn’t mean AF and JW did not invested a significant amount of money into buying STFC when the consortium took over and cleared our debts . The fact they have said they have the power to help a sale and the discussion of equity swap clearly suggests their debt is 7 figures! OTR – you must have skipped a fair few posts if you have not seen any AF bashers – Med/Don are 2 clear ones! . Also you might want to re-read my view point on player sales to balance the books- I have never taken a pure accountant view – just said it is vital not just to STFC but most clubs that this forms a section of income generated – all clubs would want to make net transfer income . My view is and always has been you make an initial outlay – the “speculate to accumulate” – which we have done already! - but then use the proceeds from that initial speculation to continue that going . Cox was first speculation - Austin came from his sale – then from his we got Ritchie, Flint and probably Wes, Collins and Troy – if Ritchie is next to go then hopefully we will then land X, Y and Z to keep it going with another going after that and A,B and C coming in . I have always said profits should be split – so using Ritchie as an example (only in the summer if we don’t go up) if he goes for £2m – we use £1m to help balance the books (66% of typical £1.5m loss) and £1m to buy the next 2 or 3 future prospects to push the club forward[/p][/quote]Brilliant LR - Don & Med - Mama Mia you don't a messa wid the Luigi Risotto the numbers man working da rackets for the Mafioso lol! I've disagreed with LR on many occasions over views on the team's performance and what I consider to be his somewhat myopic defence of Pdc on occasions ala he is god he is always right, but by golly gosh I ain't going to dispute the boy's numbers game - I didn't tongue in cheek christen him Statto for nothing on here. Some really good stuff from you on here today LR -well done.[/p][/quote]That's just what it is Jockster a numbers racket!bean counters(accountants )manipulate and massage the numbers any which way they like!none of us know the facts of how much debt and equity each board member has?all we know is Black is the main man and he calls all the shots,the rest of the board members are small fish!Black is the DON the rest are his foot solders running his racket!LOL!!!!!!!!!! the don69
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11:25pm Thu 24 Jan 13

The Jockster says...

Guys for a little light relief -check out this Link trust me its hilarious turn the sound up and enjoy and very topical given the weather ->

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YOU WON'T REGRET IT!”
Guys for a little light relief -check out this Link trust me its hilarious turn the sound up and enjoy and very topical given the weather -> http://www.torfaen.g ov.uk/en/News/2013/J anuary/21-Elvis-help s-spread-gritting-me ssage-in-new-online- video.aspx YOU WON'T REGRET IT!” The Jockster
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11:26pm Thu 24 Jan 13

madterrier says...

Let's not forget the Brazilian ball girl who got an assist for this goal:

http://www.youtube.c
om/watch?v=vUzicMpC8
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Let's not forget the Brazilian ball girl who got an assist for this goal: http://www.youtube.c om/watch?v=vUzicMpC8 rE madterrier
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11:29pm Thu 24 Jan 13

The Jockster says...

SAPFanSTFC wrote:

redrobin-69 wrote:

madterrier wrote:
Well said, redrobin.
Thanks mate: just think it's important we take some time to praise these guys and in particukar Watkins as opposed to always jumping to the negatives. A lot of hard work goes unnoticedHave you ever complained to him about something!!??
.....
anyway - as to Madterrier's response:
Zzzzzzzzz....always like to be on the devil's advocate side eh!?...enjoy your life.
....
I'm sure you remind me of someone else you know!!? :-)SAP mind if I ask why you needed to fire a rather nasty cheap shot across Terrier's bows?

I really don't understand your angle here, in your 4.03 post you also praise NW which is only the same as what Terrier is doing in endorsing Red Robins's comments isn't it -or am I missing something?”
SAPFanSTFC wrote: redrobin-69 wrote: madterrier wrote: Well said, redrobin. Thanks mate: just think it's important we take some time to praise these guys and in particukar Watkins as opposed to always jumping to the negatives. A lot of hard work goes unnoticedHave you ever complained to him about something!!?? ..... anyway - as to Madterrier's response: Zzzzzzzzz....always like to be on the devil's advocate side eh!?...enjoy your life. .... I'm sure you remind me of someone else you know!!? :-)SAP mind if I ask why you needed to fire a rather nasty cheap shot across Terrier's bows? I really don't understand your angle here, in your 4.03 post you also praise NW which is only the same as what Terrier is doing in endorsing Red Robins's comments isn't it -or am I missing something?” The Jockster
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12:33am Fri 25 Jan 13

Steve. Brentford says...

The Jockster wrote:
SAPFanSTFC wrote:

redrobin-69 wrote:

madterrier wrote:
Well said, redrobin.
Thanks mate: just think it's important we take some time to praise these guys and in particukar Watkins as opposed to always jumping to the negatives. A lot of hard work goes unnoticedHave you ever complained to him about something!!??
.....
anyway - as to Madterrier's response:
Zzzzzzzzz....always like to be on the devil's advocate side eh!?...enjoy your life.
....
I'm sure you remind me of someone else you know!!? :-)SAP mind if I ask why you needed to fire a rather nasty cheap shot across Terrier's bows?

I really don't understand your angle here, in your 4.03 post you also praise NW which is only the same as what Terrier is doing in endorsing Red Robins's comments isn't it -or am I missing something?”
I've read through most of this and felt that this is the post i`d like to respond to that`s not rubbishing others opinion`s but like Malkster i also don't get the uncalled for negative response to Terriers post from Sap who seams to of either misread MT`s post or has lost the plot,i have a busy life but i eagerly await a explanation.
[quote][p][bold]The Jockster[/bold] wrote: SAPFanSTFC wrote: redrobin-69 wrote: madterrier wrote: Well said, redrobin. Thanks mate: just think it's important we take some time to praise these guys and in particukar Watkins as opposed to always jumping to the negatives. A lot of hard work goes unnoticedHave you ever complained to him about something!!?? ..... anyway - as to Madterrier's response: Zzzzzzzzz....always like to be on the devil's advocate side eh!?...enjoy your life. .... I'm sure you remind me of someone else you know!!? :-)SAP mind if I ask why you needed to fire a rather nasty cheap shot across Terrier's bows? I really don't understand your angle here, in your 4.03 post you also praise NW which is only the same as what Terrier is doing in endorsing Red Robins's comments isn't it -or am I missing something?”[/p][/quote]I've read through most of this and felt that this is the post i`d like to respond to that`s not rubbishing others opinion`s but like Malkster i also don't get the uncalled for negative response to Terriers post from Sap who seams to of either misread MT`s post or has lost the plot,i have a busy life but i eagerly await a explanation. Steve. Brentford
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12:50am Fri 25 Jan 13

Steve. Brentford says...

Steve. Brentford wrote:
The Jockster wrote:
SAPFanSTFC wrote:

redrobin-69 wrote:

madterrier wrote:
Well said, redrobin.
Thanks mate: just think it's important we take some time to praise these guys and in particukar Watkins as opposed to always jumping to the negatives. A lot of hard work goes unnoticedHave you ever complained to him about something!!??
.....
anyway - as to Madterrier's response:
Zzzzzzzzz....always like to be on the devil's advocate side eh!?...enjoy your life.
....
I'm sure you remind me of someone else you know!!? :-)SAP mind if I ask why you needed to fire a rather nasty cheap shot across Terrier's bows?

I really don't understand your angle here, in your 4.03 post you also praise NW which is only the same as what Terrier is doing in endorsing Red Robins's comments isn't it -or am I missing something?”
I've read through most of this and felt that this is the post i`d like to respond to that`s not rubbishing others opinion`s but like Malkster i also don't get the uncalled for negative response to Terriers post from Sap who seams to of either misread MT`s post or has lost the plot,i have a busy life but i eagerly await a explanation.
Seem`s even. (Malky wont like that one)
[quote][p][bold]Steve. Brentford[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The Jockster[/bold] wrote: SAPFanSTFC wrote: redrobin-69 wrote: madterrier wrote: Well said, redrobin. Thanks mate: just think it's important we take some time to praise these guys and in particukar Watkins as opposed to always jumping to the negatives. A lot of hard work goes unnoticedHave you ever complained to him about something!!?? ..... anyway - as to Madterrier's response: Zzzzzzzzz....always like to be on the devil's advocate side eh!?...enjoy your life. .... I'm sure you remind me of someone else you know!!? :-)SAP mind if I ask why you needed to fire a rather nasty cheap shot across Terrier's bows? I really don't understand your angle here, in your 4.03 post you also praise NW which is only the same as what Terrier is doing in endorsing Red Robins's comments isn't it -or am I missing something?”[/p][/quote]I've read through most of this and felt that this is the post i`d like to respond to that`s not rubbishing others opinion`s but like Malkster i also don't get the uncalled for negative response to Terriers post from Sap who seams to of either misread MT`s post or has lost the plot,i have a busy life but i eagerly await a explanation.[/p][/quote]Seem`s even. (Malky wont like that one) Steve. Brentford
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8:08am Fri 25 Jan 13

SAPFanSTFC says...

The Jockster wrote:
SAPFanSTFC wrote:
redrobin-69 wrote:
madterrier wrote:
Well said, redrobin.
Thanks mate: just think it's important we take some time to praise these guys and in particukar Watkins as opposed to always jumping to the negatives. A lot of hard work goes unnoticed
Have you ever complained to him about something!!??
.....
anyway - as to Madterrier's response:
Zzzzzzzzz....always like to be on the devil's advocate side eh!?...enjoy your life.
....
I'm sure you remind me of someone else you know!!? :-)
SAP mind if I ask why you needed to fire a rather nasty cheap shot across Terrier's bows?

I really don't understand your angle here, in your 4.03 post you also praise NW which is only the same as what Terrier is doing in endorsing Red Robins's comments isn't it -or am I missing something?
Now't to do with you therefore why not leave people to discuss between them.
..
If you don't understand then you've obviously missed something from prior and not read things properly in this thread.
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Lets not go back to your old ways of getting involved in things that don't involve you and making comments based on half the facts or half the history eh!?
[quote][p][bold]The Jockster[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SAPFanSTFC[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]redrobin-69[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]madterrier[/bold] wrote: Well said, redrobin.[/p][/quote]Thanks mate: just think it's important we take some time to praise these guys and in particukar Watkins as opposed to always jumping to the negatives. A lot of hard work goes unnoticed[/p][/quote]Have you ever complained to him about something!!?? ..... anyway - as to Madterrier's response: Zzzzzzzzz....always like to be on the devil's advocate side eh!?...enjoy your life. .... I'm sure you remind me of someone else you know!!? :-)[/p][/quote]SAP mind if I ask why you needed to fire a rather nasty cheap shot across Terrier's bows? I really don't understand your angle here, in your 4.03 post you also praise NW which is only the same as what Terrier is doing in endorsing Red Robins's comments isn't it -or am I missing something?[/p][/quote]Now't to do with you therefore why not leave people to discuss between them. .. If you don't understand then you've obviously missed something from prior and not read things properly in this thread. .. Lets not go back to your old ways of getting involved in things that don't involve you and making comments based on half the facts or half the history eh!? SAPFanSTFC
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9:05am Fri 25 Jan 13

London Red says...

Don - read the PdC Fitton article and you will see in black and white how close I was!!!!!!!
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No manipulation - just actually taking time to read information given rather than taking the FL paper apology as gospel!
Don - read the PdC Fitton article and you will see in black and white how close I was!!!!!!! . No manipulation - just actually taking time to read information given rather than taking the FL paper apology as gospel! London Red
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12:41pm Fri 25 Jan 13

The Jockster says...

SAPFanSTFC wrote:
The Jockster wrote:
SAPFanSTFC wrote:
redrobin-69 wrote:
madterrier wrote: Well said, redrobin.
Thanks mate: just think it's important we take some time to praise these guys and in particukar Watkins as opposed to always jumping to the negatives. A lot of hard work goes unnoticed
Have you ever complained to him about something!!?? ..... anyway - as to Madterrier's response: Zzzzzzzzz....always like to be on the devil's advocate side eh!?...enjoy your life. .... I'm sure you remind me of someone else you know!!? :-)
SAP mind if I ask why you needed to fire a rather nasty cheap shot across Terrier's bows? I really don't understand your angle here, in your 4.03 post you also praise NW which is only the same as what Terrier is doing in endorsing Red Robins's comments isn't it -or am I missing something?
Now't to do with you therefore why not leave people to discuss between them. .. If you don't understand then you've obviously missed something from prior and not read things properly in this thread. .. Lets not go back to your old ways of getting involved in things that don't involve you and making comments based on half the facts or half the history eh!?
It was more the tone of your reply to Terrier that's all - "enjoy your life" - I thought we'd all moved on - me included - really no need for that swipe was there.
[quote][p][bold]SAPFanSTFC[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The Jockster[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SAPFanSTFC[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]redrobin-69[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]madterrier[/bold] wrote: Well said, redrobin.[/p][/quote]Thanks mate: just think it's important we take some time to praise these guys and in particukar Watkins as opposed to always jumping to the negatives. A lot of hard work goes unnoticed[/p][/quote]Have you ever complained to him about something!!?? ..... anyway - as to Madterrier's response: Zzzzzzzzz....always like to be on the devil's advocate side eh!?...enjoy your life. .... I'm sure you remind me of someone else you know!!? :-)[/p][/quote]SAP mind if I ask why you needed to fire a rather nasty cheap shot across Terrier's bows? I really don't understand your angle here, in your 4.03 post you also praise NW which is only the same as what Terrier is doing in endorsing Red Robins's comments isn't it -or am I missing something?[/p][/quote]Now't to do with you therefore why not leave people to discuss between them. .. If you don't understand then you've obviously missed something from prior and not read things properly in this thread. .. Lets not go back to your old ways of getting involved in things that don't involve you and making comments based on half the facts or half the history eh!?[/p][/quote]It was more the tone of your reply to Terrier that's all - "enjoy your life" - I thought we'd all moved on - me included - really no need for that swipe was there. The Jockster
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12:47pm Fri 25 Jan 13

The Jockster says...

...and here's me thinking this was a forum where we could all comment on each others posts - clearly not m'lud it seems.
...and here's me thinking this was a forum where we could all comment on each others posts - clearly not m'lud it seems. The Jockster
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2:21pm Fri 25 Jan 13

SAPFanSTFC says...

ZZZZzzzzzzzzzzz
ZZZZzzzzzzzzzzz SAPFanSTFC
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3:13pm Fri 25 Jan 13

mike1990 says...

Now,Now Girls stop **** no hissy fits please,we got a club to sell or Black has,don't get your nickers in a twist lol.
Now,Now Girls stop **** no hissy fits please,we got a club to sell or Black has,don't get your nickers in a twist lol. mike1990
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7:16pm Fri 25 Jan 13

the don69 says...

London Red wrote:
Don - read the PdC Fitton article and you will see in black and white how close I was!!!!!!!
.
No manipulation - just actually taking time to read information given rather than taking the FL paper apology as gospel!
Fair enough LR!you know the numbers racket,so Fitton needs to take a hit on his dosh or he could hold things up and Black could call his bluff and put us in the dreaded A word!!!!!!!!!!!!!
[quote][p][bold]London Red[/bold] wrote: Don - read the PdC Fitton article and you will see in black and white how close I was!!!!!!! . No manipulation - just actually taking time to read information given rather than taking the FL paper apology as gospel![/p][/quote]Fair enough LR!you know the numbers racket,so Fitton needs to take a hit on his dosh or he could hold things up and Black could call his bluff and put us in the dreaded A word!!!!!!!!!!!!! the don69
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