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Calne teens join in debate over Mosquito
TEENAGERS in Calne have become part of a national human rights campaign to ban an anti-social behaviour-busting gadget that emits a high-pitched buzzing sound.
The Children's Commissioner for England joined civil liberties campaigners yesterday in demanding the Mosquito device, which is installed in Sainsbury's in The Pippin, be removed amid claims it is indiscriminate and creates a gulf between young and old.
The Mosquito is used to disperse groups of youths who are displaying anti-social behaviour by sending out a buzzing sound only audible to under 25s.
Calne teenager Craig King said he backed the Buzz Off campaign.
The 17-year-old John Bentley student said he has been a victim of the Mosquito on several occasions.
He said: "It seems they are saying all people under the age of 25 are creating a disturbance and this is discriminatory.
"I have just walked past shops and heard this high pitched irritating noise. The people who turn the Mosquitos on should be people of authority not people just using their own judgement.
"I don't really think they are a good way to combat anti-social behaviour. People just move off and go to a different place.They should be taken away from shops where young people walk past constantly."
Only 15 Sainsbury's stores in the country have installed the device and a spokesman for the store said the Mosquito is only placed in stores where there have been extreme anti-social behaviour problems.
Launching the Buzz Off campaign professor Sir Al Aynsley-Green said: "I have spoken to many children and young people from all over England who have been deeply affected by ultrasonic teenage deterrents.
"These devices are indiscriminate and target all children and young people, including babies, regardless of whether they are behaving or misbehaving."
Shami Chakrabarti, director of the human rights group Liberty, said: "Imagine the outcry if a device was introduced that caused blanket discomfort to people of one race or gender, rather than to our kids."
Duty manager of Sainsbury's in Calne Dave Owen said: "The problem of anti-social behaviour outside the store was quite extreme at one point so we installed the Mosquito.
"We have not had to turn the device on for a very long time due to the increased footfall of community police officers in the area.
"The problem has subsided but it still exists."
The Mosquito, invented by Howard Stapleton from South Wales, is manufactured by Compound Security Systems.
It costs £500 to install the gadget, which is controlled by a timer, which has been used across the county to control gangs of troublesome teens, with the full backing of local police.
Mr Owen said since the introduction of a town centre dispersal order anti-social behaviour had decreased but said the store would not decommission the device.
A second Calne supermarket, Somerfield on Mill Street, also has the anti-social behaviour device and used it two weeks ago.
Somerfield Trade manager Karen Windsor said they would not be removing the Mosquito.
Ms Windsor said: "The Mosquito device is an effective way of dealing with groups of youths being abusive or hanging around outside the store.
"The security guard or anyone working in the kiosk can turn the Mosquito on and we would always call the police.
"It is to protect our customers and staff. The positives of it definitely outweigh the negatives."
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11:34am Wednesday 13th February 2008
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CommentPosted by: walter, wilshur on 12:16pm Wed 13 Feb 08
Can't be half as bad as the crappy music playing at full blast from their cars, they have to drive with the bloody windows down too!
Can't be half as bad as the crappy music playing at full blast from their cars, they have to drive with the bloody windows down too!
Posted by: betty swallocks, NWilts on 1:17pm Wed 13 Feb 08
Swindon town centre tried playing classical music from out of the Brunel statue, a favourite haunt of yoofs and wino,s.Cleared away the wasters in no time.A great success by all accounts.Anything that deters yobs is ok in my book.Sainsburys should also try selling alcohol to responsible adults only, as well.Thats a huge part of the problem.
Swindon town centre tried playing classical music from out of the Brunel statue, a favourite haunt of yoofs and wino,s.Cleared away the wasters in no time.A great success by all accounts.Anything that deters yobs is ok in my book.Sainsburys should also try selling alcohol to responsible adults only, as well.Thats a huge part of the problem.
Posted by: Pav, Swindon on 4:02pm Wed 13 Feb 08
Teenagers have no rights. The sooner they learn that the better. They should think themselves lucky that they are allowed to walk the streets without being on a leash.
The simple fact that we now have a "Children's Commissioner" shows that the lentil-eating, sandal-wearing, Guardian-reading, politically correct, liberal wet-wipes have ruined this country.
Teenagers have no rights. The sooner they learn that the better. They should think themselves lucky that they are allowed to walk the streets without being on a leash.
The simple fact that we now have a "Children's Commissioner" shows that the lentil-eating, sandal-wearing, Guardian-reading, politically correct, liberal wet-wipes have ruined this country.
Posted by: awake, wiltshire on 6:44pm Wed 13 Feb 08
The arguement that these machines affect babies is ridiculous, the devices would be used at night so no babies should be around at that time anyway! Unless the teen mums take them out with them...
Anyway, its not exactly inhumane is it? Could always call fire brigade out to hose them down lol!
The arguement that these machines affect babies is ridiculous, the devices would be used at night so no babies should be around at that time anyway! Unless the teen mums take them out with them...
Anyway, its not exactly inhumane is it? Could always call fire brigade out to hose them down lol!
Posted by: Joe, Calne on 7:42pm Wed 13 Feb 08
I think these things are only turned on when there is an issue with groups of unruley louts hanging around, i dont think its the case that teenage kids going shopping with theire mothers are suffering a constant ear blasting its used just to disperse yobs.
Clearly it would be better if the police arrested the yobs and locked them up for the night but as thats not going to happen these devices are the next best thing.
To be clear its not the nice well behaved kids who are affected its the hooligans
I think these things are only turned on when there is an issue with groups of unruley louts hanging around, i dont think its the case that teenage kids going shopping with theire mothers are suffering a constant ear blasting its used just to disperse yobs.
Clearly it would be better if the police arrested the yobs and locked them up for the night but as thats not going to happen these devices are the next best thing.
To be clear its not the nice well behaved kids who are affected its the hooligans
Posted by: spooks, calne on 6:51am Thu 14 Feb 08
The Children's Commissioner for England joined civil liberties campaigners yesterday in demanding the Mosquito device, which is installed in Sainsbury's in The Pippin, be removed amid claims it is indiscriminate and creates a gulf between young and old.
The Mosquito is used to disperse groups of youths who are displaying anti-social behaviour by sending out a buzzing sound only audible to under 25s.
wasnt reported last week how the police had to disperse 50-60 youngters in a group from the town center.?
that was 500 quid well spent then.
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The Children's Commissioner for England joined civil liberties campaigners yesterday in demanding the Mosquito device, which is installed in Sainsbury's in The Pippin, be removed amid claims it is indiscriminate and creates a gulf between young and old.
The Mosquito is used to disperse groups of youths who are displaying anti-social behaviour by sending out a buzzing sound only audible to under 25s.
wasnt reported last week how the police had to disperse 50-60 youngters in a group from the town center.?
that was 500 quid well spent then.
www.calnetalk.com
Posted by: Jesse Lake, Chippenham on 8:11am Thu 14 Feb 08
Theyre a flamin nuisance to us. Theres a mosquito in the brunel shopping centre somewhere, and it hurts when its turned on. It's not fair to have those. Its childist/adolescenis
t. We dont do anything to get a group of a different race or something to stop them going near something, so its discrimination against young people and thats unfair.
Theyre a flamin nuisance to us. Theres a mosquito in the brunel shopping centre somewhere, and it hurts when its turned on. It's not fair to have those. Its childist/adolescenis
t. We dont do anything to get a group of a different race or something to stop them going near something, so its discrimination against young people and thats unfair.
Posted by: me, calne on 9:10am Thu 14 Feb 08
get them to behave then
Posted by: mE, calne on 9:37am Thu 14 Feb 08
unlucky Jesse Lake, live with it!!!!!!
unlucky Jesse Lake, live with it!!!!!!
Posted by: kathy27, calne on 8:04pm Thu 14 Feb 08
Malcolm, if i am right back in the 80's, we all used to hang around the town...whats changed??
Malcolm, if i am right back in the 80's, we all used to hang around the town...whats changed??
Posted by: me, calne on 10:02am Fri 15 Feb 08
i used to hang around the streets in the late 70`s early 80`s , the difference now is that the police then used to be able to cart you back home in there cars when you done wrong .
the trouble is now they have not got the power to do this anymore & plus kids nowadays know they can get away with it .
it was very embarrasing for any parent to have there child returned home in a police car . i know i did one day for climbing over a wall to retrieve my football from a garden & got accused of stealing it & my parents kept me in for a week for not asking the garden owner for it properly.
i used to hang around the streets in the late 70`s early 80`s , the difference now is that the police then used to be able to cart you back home in there cars when you done wrong .
the trouble is now they have not got the power to do this anymore & plus kids nowadays know they can get away with it .
it was very embarrasing for any parent to have there child returned home in a police car . i know i did one day for climbing over a wall to retrieve my football from a garden & got accused of stealing it & my parents kept me in for a week for not asking the garden owner for it properly.
Posted by: Brian Heath, Calne on 10:42am Fri 15 Feb 08
"What's changed?" asks Kathy27 above. I thnk there are a number of factors: fewer police around, with their powers severely limited by the political correctness of New Labour; far easier access to alchohol; widespread abuse of drugs among the younger element, who have a total lack of respect for themselves, and for the persons and property of those around them; total lack of parental control - parents of the 'yob' teenagers obviously neither know nor care what their unsavoury offspring are getting up to;.... the list goes on and on.
If this Mosquito device can upset these gatherings of teenage loud-mouths, even if it only makes them move elsewhere, then it is to be encouraged. Forget all the "human rights" nonsense - these young people forfeit their rights when they cease to behave like humans and start behaving like animals instead, and if the noise 'hurts' then it serves them right for being there! Any store - or any home-owner, come to that - has a perfect right to install any device which will act as a deterrent and stop these unruly young people from creating a disturbance outside their properties.
"What's changed?" asks Kathy27 above. I thnk there are a number of factors: fewer police around, with their powers severely limited by the political correctness of New Labour; far easier access to alchohol; widespread abuse of drugs among the younger element, who have a total lack of respect for themselves, and for the persons and property of those around them; total lack of parental control - parents of the 'yob' teenagers obviously neither know nor care what their unsavoury offspring are getting up to;.... the list goes on and on.
If this Mosquito device can upset these gatherings of teenage loud-mouths, even if it only makes them move elsewhere, then it is to be encouraged. Forget all the "human rights" nonsense - these young people forfeit their rights when they cease to behave like humans and start behaving like animals instead, and if the noise 'hurts' then it serves them right for being there! Any store - or any home-owner, come to that - has a perfect right to install any device which will act as a deterrent and stop these unruly young people from creating a disturbance outside their properties.
Posted by: joeydubya, leics on 12:42pm Fri 15 Feb 08
[quote][bold]Brian Heath[/bold] wrote:
"What's changed?" asks Kathy27 above. I thnk there are a number of factors: fewer police around, with their powers severely limited by the political correctness of New Labour; far easier access to alchohol; widespread abuse of drugs among the younger element, who have a total lack of respect for themselves, and for the persons and property of those around them; total lack of parental control - parents of the 'yob' teenagers obviously neither know nor care what their unsavoury offspring are getting up to;.... the list goes on and on. If this Mosquito device can upset these gatherings of teenage loud-mouths, even if it only makes them move elsewhere, then it is to be encouraged. Forget all the "human rights" nonsense - these young people forfeit their rights when they cease to behave like humans and start behaving like animals instead, and if the noise 'hurts' then it serves them right for being there! Any store - or any home-owner, come to that - has a perfect right to install any device which will act as a deterrent and stop these unruly young people from creating a disturbance outside their properties.[/quote] No they don't forfeit their rights.
Why should I, at 23 years old, be subjected to a low level sonic weapon targeted at anyone under the age of 25? Serves them right for being there? I don't know if you've failed to notice, but there are a lot of residential dwellings around the area and many townsfolk have a perfectly legitimate reason to be around this area.
The Mosquito is tantamount to abuse, and a poor substitute for adequate policing.
Brian Heath wrote:
"What's changed?" asks Kathy27 above. I thnk there are a number of factors: fewer police around, with their powers severely limited by the political correctness of New Labour; far easier access to alchohol; widespread abuse of drugs among the younger element, who have a total lack of respect for themselves, and for the persons and property of those around them; total lack of parental control - parents of the 'yob' teenagers obviously neither know nor care what their unsavoury offspring are getting up to;.... the list goes on and on. If this Mosquito device can upset these gatherings of teenage loud-mouths, even if it only makes them move elsewhere, then it is to be encouraged. Forget all the "human rights" nonsense - these young people forfeit their rights when they cease to behave like humans and start behaving like animals instead, and if the noise 'hurts' then it serves them right for being there! Any store - or any home-owner, come to that - has a perfect right to install any device which will act as a deterrent and stop these unruly young people from creating a disturbance outside their properties.
No they don't forfeit their rights.
Why should I, at 23 years old, be subjected to a low level sonic weapon targeted at anyone under the age of 25? Serves them right for being there? I don't know if you've failed to notice, but there are a lot of residential dwellings around the area and many townsfolk have a perfectly legitimate reason to be around this area.
The Mosquito is tantamount to abuse, and a poor substitute for adequate policing.
Posted by: The Maxter, Chippenham on 1:57pm Fri 15 Feb 08
What about the vast majority's rights to walk the streets without intimidation? If you want ONE difference between our youth, and todays, then I'll tell you. Zero respect. You simply cannot rely any longer on being an adult as sufficient intimidation to disperse when asked. One is automatically placed at risk of violence which reaches cartoon levels in its intensity. Stamping on the head is now seen as a way to fight. Its absolutely outrageous that our streets have become the next violent video game, and in the absence of parental responsibility, then this is the next best thing. For those youths who do not fit this profile - well you wouldn't be hanging round there anyway, would you?
What about the vast majority's rights to walk the streets without intimidation? If you want ONE difference between our youth, and todays, then I'll tell you. Zero respect. You simply cannot rely any longer on being an adult as sufficient intimidation to disperse when asked. One is automatically placed at risk of violence which reaches cartoon levels in its intensity. Stamping on the head is now seen as a way to fight. Its absolutely outrageous that our streets have become the next violent video game, and in the absence of parental responsibility, then this is the next best thing. For those youths who do not fit this profile - well you wouldn't be hanging round there anyway, would you?
Posted by: rosco, Chippenham on 2:12pm Fri 15 Feb 08
[quote][bold]The Maxter[/bold] wrote:
What about the vast majority's rights to walk the streets without intimidation? If you want ONE difference between our youth, and todays, then I'll tell you. Zero respect. You simply cannot rely any longer on being an adult as sufficient intimidation to disperse when asked. One is automatically placed at risk of violence which reaches cartoon levels in its intensity. Stamping on the head is now seen as a way to fight. Its absolutely outrageous that our streets have become the next violent video game, and in the absence of parental responsibility, then this is the next best thing. For those youths who do not fit this profile - well you wouldn't be hanging round there anyway, would you?[/quote] Sorry, but your post is completely unbalanced, based on media hype and nostalgic remembrances of a bygone age. Since when is stamping on peoples head a common occurrence in Calne (or any other town in Wiltshire)? And why should an 'adult' feel that they ought to be able to tell a group of youths to go away just because they are there? It's a fundamental principle of the British justice system that you're innocent until proved guilty - how is it possibly reasonable to say that all young people must keep off the streets, just because some cause problems?!
The Maxter wrote:
What about the vast majority's rights to walk the streets without intimidation? If you want ONE difference between our youth, and todays, then I'll tell you. Zero respect. You simply cannot rely any longer on being an adult as sufficient intimidation to disperse when asked. One is automatically placed at risk of violence which reaches cartoon levels in its intensity. Stamping on the head is now seen as a way to fight. Its absolutely outrageous that our streets have become the next violent video game, and in the absence of parental responsibility, then this is the next best thing. For those youths who do not fit this profile - well you wouldn't be hanging round there anyway, would you?
Sorry, but your post is completely unbalanced, based on media hype and nostalgic remembrances of a bygone age. Since when is stamping on peoples head a common occurrence in Calne (or any other town in Wiltshire)? And why should an 'adult' feel that they ought to be able to tell a group of youths to go away just because they are there? It's a fundamental principle of the British justice system that you're innocent until proved guilty - how is it possibly reasonable to say that all young people must keep off the streets, just because some cause problems?!
Posted by: emmalouise, dorset on 2:40pm Fri 15 Feb 08
Different societies have different views of childhood. These are based on shared knowledge and experiences. Some people think that children are inherently good and only behave badly when they have suffered some kind of abuse or misstreatment. Therefore the children need to be rehabilitated. Other people take a more puritanical view, based on the long history of Christianity in our country. The Puritanical view is that since the fall of Adam and Eve all humans are sinfull and need 'correction.' The use of the mosquito is based on the assumption that all children/ youths are inherently evil. If they are allowed to congregate trouble will ensue. The alienation and demonisation of young people is prevelant in todays society but it achieves nothing. It can create a self fulfilling prophecy. They way young people see themselves represented/viewed by society as trouble makers gives a negative message. They are expected to act badly so they will. Ther have been some horrendous things done by some shockingly young people. But that is the minority not the majority.
Different societies have different views of childhood. These are based on shared knowledge and experiences. Some people think that children are inherently good and only behave badly when they have suffered some kind of abuse or misstreatment. Therefore the children need to be rehabilitated. Other people take a more puritanical view, based on the long history of Christianity in our country. The Puritanical view is that since the fall of Adam and Eve all humans are sinfull and need 'correction.' The use of the mosquito is based on the assumption that all children/ youths are inherently evil. If they are allowed to congregate trouble will ensue. The alienation and demonisation of young people is prevelant in todays society but it achieves nothing. It can create a self fulfilling prophecy. They way young people see themselves represented/viewed by society as trouble makers gives a negative message. They are expected to act badly so they will. Ther have been some horrendous things done by some shockingly young people. But that is the minority not the majority.
Posted by: The Maxter, Chippenham on 2:41pm Fri 15 Feb 08
Cobblers! Nothing nostalgic about my memories..
"Ministry of Justice reports, relate to offenders aged 10 to 17 who were either convicted in court or issued with a police caution. Total offences climbed steadily from 184,474 in 2003 to 222,750 in 2006," national statistics show that violent crime doubled between 1977 and 1992 - falling during the mid 90's. It is now rising - and rapidly in the youth sector.
An adult (anyone actually) may consider that youths causing a nuisance outside his domicile, would be reason to ask them to disperse.
And as for media hype.....Media have hyped up just how people have been killed have they? Youth culture today, is a slave to US gang culture and video games. And just to show I'm not biased - lock up old perverts too!
Cobblers! Nothing nostalgic about my memories..
"Ministry of Justice reports, relate to offenders aged 10 to 17 who were either convicted in court or issued with a police caution. Total offences climbed steadily from 184,474 in 2003 to 222,750 in 2006," national statistics show that violent crime doubled between 1977 and 1992 - falling during the mid 90's. It is now rising - and rapidly in the youth sector.
An adult (anyone actually) may consider that youths causing a nuisance outside his domicile, would be reason to ask them to disperse.
And as for media hype.....Media have hyped up just how people have been killed have they? Youth culture today, is a slave to US gang culture and video games. And just to show I'm not biased - lock up old perverts too!
Posted by: The Maxter, Chippenham on 3:11pm Fri 15 Feb 08
And one final thing. On this very website, type the words "violent attack" in the search facility. Prepare to be shocked.
And one final thing. On this very website, type the words "violent attack" in the search facility. Prepare to be shocked.
Posted by: spooks, calne on 4:00pm Fri 15 Feb 08
[quote][bold]The Maxter[/bold] wrote:
And one final thing. On this very website, type the words "violent attack" in the search facility. Prepare to be shocked.[/quote] what are we ment to be looking at??
The Maxter wrote:
And one final thing. On this very website, type the words "violent attack" in the search facility. Prepare to be shocked.
what are we ment to be looking at??
Posted by: Des, Wiltshire on 4:48pm Fri 15 Feb 08
Where can I buy one ?
Posted by: spooks, calne on 10:56pm Fri 15 Feb 08
[quote][bold]me[/bold] wrote:
i used to hang around the streets in the late 70`s early 80`s , the difference now is that the police then used to be able to cart you back home in there cars when you done wrong . the trouble is now they have not got the power to do this anymore & plus kids nowadays know they can get away with it . it was very embarrasing for any parent to have there child returned home in a police car . i know i did one day for climbing over a wall to retrieve my football from a garden & got accused of stealing it & my parents kept me in for a week for not asking the garden owner for it properly.[/quote] me has hit the nail on the head there .kids these days have no respect for the police unfortunatley not a lot of adults do either.
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me wrote:
i used to hang around the streets in the late 70`s early 80`s , the difference now is that the police then used to be able to cart you back home in there cars when you done wrong . the trouble is now they have not got the power to do this anymore & plus kids nowadays know they can get away with it . it was very embarrasing for any parent to have there child returned home in a police car . i know i did one day for climbing over a wall to retrieve my football from a garden & got accused of stealing it & my parents kept me in for a week for not asking the garden owner for it properly.
me has hit the nail on the head there .kids these days have no respect for the police unfortunatley not a lot of adults do either.
www.calnetalk.com
Posted by: George27, calne on 11:00am Sat 16 Feb 08
Rosco, perhaps we ought to round up the little s**ts that hang around intimidating passers by and send them to loiter outside your premises, then make your mind up about them. I know for [bold]FACT[/bold] that there is a dozen or so delightful teenagers that carry weapons of some description on them, and nowadays hardly any of them fight fair, or on their own for that matter. Personally, the mosquito device is a welcome deterrent, even if it does move the trouble makers on to somewhere different. As for the "good" teenage element, surely it is up to them to, for want of a better phrase, grass up the trouble makers and not make them welcome in the town. But, chances are they are intimidated by these yobs and won't act, so why discriminate? They either go somewhere else, or get tarred with the same brush, guilt by association. - and before any of you get defensive, my son and his girlfriend had yet another unprovoked run in this week with the little b'stards, yet the police can't do squat. The law protects the louts, perhaps i should become one...........
Rosco, perhaps we ought to round up the little s**ts that hang around intimidating passers by and send them to loiter outside your premises, then make your mind up about them. I know for
FACT that there is a dozen or so delightful teenagers that carry weapons of some description on them, and nowadays hardly any of them fight fair, or on their own for that matter. Personally, the mosquito device is a welcome deterrent, even if it does move the trouble makers on to somewhere different. As for the "good" teenage element, surely it is up to them to, for want of a better phrase, grass up the trouble makers and not make them welcome in the town. But, chances are they are intimidated by these yobs and won't act, so why discriminate? They either go somewhere else, or get tarred with the same brush, guilt by association. - and before any of you get defensive, my son and his girlfriend had yet another unprovoked run in this week with the little b'stards, yet the police can't do squat. The law protects the louts, perhaps i should become one...........
Posted by: Joe, Calne on 11:17am Sat 16 Feb 08
We need more of these devises sites around the town in trouble spots as well as a curfew for teenagers of school age from loitering around the town late at night while there parents are down the pub
We need more of these devises sites around the town in trouble spots as well as a curfew for teenagers of school age from loitering around the town late at night while there parents are down the pub
Posted by: Rudolph Hucker, Wiltshire on 12:18pm Sun 17 Feb 08
I agree with the sentiment of the posts with reference to the liberal do gooders and the fact that there is always someone ready to take to the soap box to raise their profile.
It seems that from the posts above that their is little sorry felt for these darlings!
This is a social issue that has stemmed from the lack of accountability of the judiciary and the politicians, We spend all our time pandering to the PC brigade instead of dealing with the problems of our society. We should remember that in a lot of cases we are reaping what we have sown. how many times have you seen something and ignored it? If we made the elected representatives more accountable and got them to answer direct questions about their beliefs instead of the usual slippery non descript answers we get, we may be able to have some common sense restored. It seems that the one of the reasons we have these issues is that the youths in question have no respect, we should ask why and then teach them respect. Parents should also take responsibility. There are many ways both socially and financially that this could be done. If we got rid of the culture of it wasn't my fault i am a complete prat so i will sue somebody or he/she is misguided etc and faced the fact that if you have done something wrong you a are wrong doer..end of! The silent majority need to be more media savvy and shout louder. I have been doorstepped by politicians asking for my vote. None of them could answer the issues i care about! They had no answers. Common sense needs to be restored. No excuses, make people responsible for the own actions not some state nanny!
R
I agree with the sentiment of the posts with reference to the liberal do gooders and the fact that there is always someone ready to take to the soap box to raise their profile.
It seems that from the posts above that their is little sorry felt for these darlings!
This is a social issue that has stemmed from the lack of accountability of the judiciary and the politicians, We spend all our time pandering to the PC brigade instead of dealing with the problems of our society. We should remember that in a lot of cases we are reaping what we have sown. how many times have you seen something and ignored it? If we made the elected representatives more accountable and got them to answer direct questions about their beliefs instead of the usual slippery non descript answers we get, we may be able to have some common sense restored. It seems that the one of the reasons we have these issues is that the youths in question have no respect, we should ask why and then teach them respect. Parents should also take responsibility. There are many ways both socially and financially that this could be done. If we got rid of the culture of it wasn't my fault i am a complete prat so i will sue somebody or he/she is misguided etc and faced the fact that if you have done something wrong you a are wrong doer..end of! The silent majority need to be more media savvy and shout louder. I have been doorstepped by politicians asking for my vote. None of them could answer the issues i care about! They had no answers. Common sense needs to be restored. No excuses, make people responsible for the own actions not some state nanny!
R
Posted by: P Dolman, Calne on 9:48pm Sun 17 Feb 08
I am amazed at the number of people from far and wide that want to have a say on trivial events in Calne.
This devise was installed many many months ago. The feed back I had was that it did not work. Saimsbury's had better results when they reintroduced the security guard at the super market.
There are more important problems in Calne, UK and the World to worry about!
I am amazed at the number of people from far and wide that want to have a say on trivial events in Calne.
This devise was installed many many months ago. The feed back I had was that it did not work. Saimsbury's had better results when they reintroduced the security guard at the super market.
There are more important problems in Calne, UK and the World to worry about!
Posted by: The Maxter, Chippenham on 10:33am Wed 20 Feb 08
ok P Dolman - lets ignore whats going on in Calne, North Wiltshire , stick our heads up our backsides and watch ITV news instead.
Personally, I'd much rather read about this than the US elections.
ok P Dolman - lets ignore whats going on in Calne, North Wiltshire , stick our heads up our backsides and watch ITV news instead.
Personally, I'd much rather read about this than the US elections.
Posted by: P Dolman, Calne on 10:06am Fri 22 Feb 08
Dear "the Maxter" could not agree more about the American so called elections I do not want to hear about it but the British media spend thousands of pounds sending presenters and support teams to report it. That money could be better spent at home on comunity projects in downtown Calne. Chippenham (where I was born) already has more than its fair share.
Dear "the Maxter" could not agree more about the American so called elections I do not want to hear about it but the British media spend thousands of pounds sending presenters and support teams to report it. That money could be better spent at home on comunity projects in downtown Calne. Chippenham (where I was born) already has more than its fair share.
Posted by: The Maxter, Chippenham on 11:14am Fri 22 Feb 08
You can call me 'Maxter' :-)
Actually, I wonder where its all gone wrong for Calne, it looks a lot nicer there now than it used to. A shame the influx of family's can't get a grip on their kids. Theres a decent town screaming to get out.
You can call me 'Maxter' :-)
Actually, I wonder where its all gone wrong for Calne, it looks a lot nicer there now than it used to. A shame the influx of family's can't get a grip on their kids. Theres a decent town screaming to get out.
Posted by: The Maxter, Chippenham on 11:14am Fri 22 Feb 08
You can call me 'Maxter' :-)
Actually, I wonder where its all gone wrong for Calne, it looks a lot nicer there now than it used to. A shame the influx of family's can't get a grip on their kids. Theres a decent town screaming to get out.
You can call me 'Maxter' :-)
Actually, I wonder where its all gone wrong for Calne, it looks a lot nicer there now than it used to. A shame the influx of family's can't get a grip on their kids. Theres a decent town screaming to get out.
Posted by: spooks, calne on 6:58pm Fri 22 Feb 08
[quote][bold]The Maxter[/bold] wrote:
You can call me 'Maxter' :-) Actually, I wonder where its all gone wrong for Calne, it looks a lot nicer there now than it used to. A shame the influx of family's can't get a grip on their kids. Theres a decent town screaming to get out.[/quote] You have summed up calne pretty well there.
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The Maxter wrote:
You can call me 'Maxter' :-) Actually, I wonder where its all gone wrong for Calne, it looks a lot nicer there now than it used to. A shame the influx of family's can't get a grip on their kids. Theres a decent town screaming to get out.
You have summed up calne pretty well there.
www.calnetalk.com
Posted by: Gaby, London on 11:03pm Tue 8 Jul 08
[quote][bold]Joe[/bold] wrote:
I think these things are only turned on when there is an issue with groups of unruley louts hanging around, i dont think its the case that teenage kids going shopping with theire mothers are suffering a constant ear blasting its used just to disperse yobs. Clearly it would be better if the police arrested the yobs and locked them up for the night but as thats not going to happen these devices are the next best thing. To be clear its not the nice well behaved kids who are affected its the hooligans[/quote] "To be clear its not the nice well behaved kids who are affected its the hooligans"? To be clear, the devices don't hurt the ears of 'hooligans' and not the rest of us - anyone under 25 will be susceptible to the noise. Moreover, many shopkeepers do not differentiate between 'hooligans' and 'nice well-behaved kids' and simply assume that all teenagers are yobs or nuisances. Adults who have a wide choice of things to do are perfectly entitled to stand in groups as much as they like, while teenagers who are provided with absolutely nothing to do are not even allowed to stand in a small group talking to their friends without being inhumanely 'dispersed' by a high pitched buzzing noise, or by a misinformed, surly adult who is unjustly suspicious of anyone under 25. I am unable to understand why teenagers in general are seen as yobs and nuisances when every adult in the world has been a teenager. We are not all devils, and no amount of examples of teenagers committing crimes or beating people up will prove that those sorts of people are anything like a majority. I could point out hundreds of examples of people over 25 doing similar things, but that would obviously not prove that the majority of people are criminals or louts.
Joe wrote:
I think these things are only turned on when there is an issue with groups of unruley louts hanging around, i dont think its the case that teenage kids going shopping with theire mothers are suffering a constant ear blasting its used just to disperse yobs. Clearly it would be better if the police arrested the yobs and locked them up for the night but as thats not going to happen these devices are the next best thing. To be clear its not the nice well behaved kids who are affected its the hooligans
"To be clear its not the nice well behaved kids who are affected its the hooligans"? To be clear, the devices don't hurt the ears of 'hooligans' and not the rest of us - anyone under 25 will be susceptible to the noise. Moreover, many shopkeepers do not differentiate between 'hooligans' and 'nice well-behaved kids' and simply assume that all teenagers are yobs or nuisances. Adults who have a wide choice of things to do are perfectly entitled to stand in groups as much as they like, while teenagers who are provided with absolutely nothing to do are not even allowed to stand in a small group talking to their friends without being inhumanely 'dispersed' by a high pitched buzzing noise, or by a misinformed, surly adult who is unjustly suspicious of anyone under 25. I am unable to understand why teenagers in general are seen as yobs and nuisances when every adult in the world has been a teenager. We are not all devils, and no amount of examples of teenagers committing crimes or beating people up will prove that those sorts of people are anything like a majority. I could point out hundreds of examples of people over 25 doing similar things, but that would obviously not prove that the majority of people are criminals or louts.
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