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Councillors protest over flag
TWO PATRIOTIC Calne councillors staged a mini protest at a council meeting last Wednesday.
Couns John Ireland and David Bland sat small union jack flags on the table in front of them in protest against a council decision not to fly the flag above the town hall.
Councillors rejected Royal British Legion branch chairman Coun Ireland's proposal to fly the union jack everyday in November sparking Coun Ireland to walk out of the meeting.
Councillors said the flag would lose significance if flown daily and the yearly cost of £80 was also an issue.
In December Calne resident Mick Davonport launched a one-man campaign to see the flag flown everyday above the town hall.
He said: "I am in correspondence with the town mayor to try and get the flag raised. I have spoken to enough private citizens in the town to know there is a body of feeling behind this move.
"I want to work in partnership with the town council. This is not a politically motivated petition, it is the right thing to do."
Couns Bland and Ireland have vowed to take miniature union jacks to every council meeting until the decision is overturned.
Coun Ireland said: "Calne Town Council has taken what I consider a dreadful decision not to fly the Union Flag from the Town Hall.
"To display our countries flag at every opportunity is a small gesture but with huge symbolical meaning."
A council decision cannot be overturned for six months unless at least eight council members sign a petition asking the proposal to be heard again.
11:42am Friday 4th January 2008
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CommentPosted by: Yali, Ex-Melksham on 12:19pm Fri 4 Jan 08
Good on you guys but you could have made it the St George flag.
"Councillors said the flag would lose significance if flown daily and the yearly cost of £80 was also an issue."
Course it wouldn`t lose it`s significance you dork, nor is 80 quid an issue. You idiots probably spend more on your daily tea and coffee bill.
Good on you guys but you could have made it the St George flag.
"Councillors said the flag would lose significance if flown daily and the yearly cost of £80 was also an issue."
Course it wouldn`t lose it`s significance you dork, nor is 80 quid an issue. You idiots probably spend more on your daily tea and coffee bill.
Posted by: AndrewLye, Pembrokeshire on 12:21pm Fri 4 Jan 08
£80 a year to fly a flag?
Many public buildings fly flags, all the time.
We have 3 outside County Hall in Haverfordwest, including the Union flag (not Jack!) and that does not devalue any of the 3 flags. They also fly proudly over nearby Haverfordwest Castle (The Welsh flag and the Union flag).
However, for a councillor to walk out of a meeting is rather childish.
Flags also add colour to the street scene.
Many countries in Europe fly their flags with pride and I remember Vienna as a sea of flags. It looked good.
Fly the flag with pride - including the flag of St George!
I have a small English flag in my car as I'm as proud to be English, even though I now live in Wales.
£80 a year to fly a flag?
Many public buildings fly flags, all the time.
We have 3 outside County Hall in Haverfordwest, including the Union flag (not Jack!) and that does not devalue any of the 3 flags. They also fly proudly over nearby Haverfordwest Castle (The Welsh flag and the Union flag).
However, for a councillor to walk out of a meeting is rather childish.
Flags also add colour to the street scene.
Many countries in Europe fly their flags with pride and I remember Vienna as a sea of flags. It looked good.
Fly the flag with pride - including the flag of St George!
I have a small English flag in my car as I'm as proud to be English, even though I now live in Wales.
Posted by: Joe, Calne on 12:22pm Fri 4 Jan 08
The town council needs to take a good look at itself and which country they are in.
Clearly they should be flying the flag and thre is no reason not to and why would it cost £80 to do so.
Get the flag on the pole every day of the year and stop this stupidity.
The town council needs to take a good look at itself and which country they are in.
Clearly they should be flying the flag and thre is no reason not to and why would it cost £80 to do so.
Get the flag on the pole every day of the year and stop this stupidity.
Posted by: Joe, Calne on 12:24pm Fri 4 Jan 08
I do agree councilors walking out of meetings is pathetic hardly grown up politics.
I do agree councilors walking out of meetings is pathetic hardly grown up politics.
Posted by: keith, wilts on 1:01pm Fri 4 Jan 08
Why dont Calne council or the Gazette and Herald publish a list of the councillors that didnt support the flying of the Union flag, and the reasons why they are against it. Then at least the voters will know who is supporting the British and who to get rid of at the next election. It is a disgrace that councillors who are supposed to represent the people, but rarely do,decide to vote against the flying of the British national flag, no other country in the world would tolerate these idiots in office.
Why dont Calne council or the Gazette and Herald publish a list of the councillors that didnt support the flying of the Union flag, and the reasons why they are against it. Then at least the voters will know who is supporting the British and who to get rid of at the next election. It is a disgrace that councillors who are supposed to represent the people, but rarely do,decide to vote against the flying of the British national flag, no other country in the world would tolerate these idiots in office.
Posted by: Joe, Calne on 1:10pm Fri 4 Jan 08
Keith is correct that we should know who supported or did not support this move.
The town councils minutes shed no light on the matter either.
Keith is correct that we should know who supported or did not support this move.
The town councils minutes shed no light on the matter either.
Posted by: SwindonNF, Swindon on 2:40pm Fri 4 Jan 08
I want to know how the **** it costs £80 to fly a flag from a building. I fly one from my house all year round and it doesnt cost me £80!
I think this decision is the governments way of trying to crush any form of British Pride or patriotism in general.
But then again, i also want to know why the **** this flag isnt flown from every public building, be it a town hall, public Library, Train Station, Bus Station or council office.
Full respect to the 2 patriots for flying the flag against the wishes of the council.
British Pride!!!
I want to know how the **** it costs £80 to fly a flag from a building. I fly one from my house all year round and it doesnt cost me £80!
I think this decision is the governments way of trying to crush any form of British Pride or patriotism in general.
But then again, i also want to know why the **** this flag isnt flown from every public building, be it a town hall, public Library, Train Station, Bus Station or council office.
Full respect to the 2 patriots for flying the flag against the wishes of the council.
British Pride!!!
Posted by: walter, wilshur on 4:46pm Fri 4 Jan 08
"Councillors said the flag would lose significance if flown daily " Funny, it didn't lose its significance when it flew for seven weeks over Peking during the seige of that city in the "Boxer" rebellion (Google it if you don't know) or beseiged garrisons in India during the Mutiny. It didn't lose it when the Royal Marines carried it into Port Stanley at the end of the Falklands campaign, either. Was this a party-political squabble in Calne rather than a display of treachery?
"Councillors said the flag would lose significance if flown daily " Funny, it didn't lose its significance when it flew for seven weeks over Peking during the seige of that city in the "Boxer" rebellion (Google it if you don't know) or beseiged garrisons in India during the Mutiny. It didn't lose it when the Royal Marines carried it into Port Stanley at the end of the Falklands campaign, either. Was this a party-political squabble in Calne rather than a display of treachery?
Posted by: spooks, calne on 6:21pm Fri 4 Jan 08
[quote][bold]Yali[/bold] wrote:
Good on you guys but you could have made it the St George flag. "Councillors said the flag would lose significance if flown daily and the yearly cost of £80 was also an issue." Course it wouldn`t lose it`s significance you dork, nor is 80 quid an issue. You idiots probably spend more on your daily tea and coffee bill. [/quote] well said yali .
fly the flag with the pride it stands for.
www.calnetalk.com
Yali wrote:
Good on you guys but you could have made it the St George flag. "Councillors said the flag would lose significance if flown daily and the yearly cost of £80 was also an issue." Course it wouldn`t lose it`s significance you dork, nor is 80 quid an issue. You idiots probably spend more on your daily tea and coffee bill.
well said yali .
fly the flag with the pride it stands for.
www.calnetalk.com
Posted by: P Dolman, Calne on 6:28pm Fri 4 Jan 08
I attended the council meeting when this was debated and the council did not object on the grounds of cost and the figure of £80.00 I do not recall being mentioned. Councillor Ireland did not leave the meeting he just moved from the council seats to the public seating and then spent the rest of the evening in discussion with the 3 representatives of the BNP who were at the meeting.
This is not a case of cost or being patrionic it is just a case of what is sensible. We do not have a history of flying the flag apart from special occassions and this is how, in my opinion, it should remain.
I attended the council meeting when this was debated and the council did not object on the grounds of cost and the figure of £80.00 I do not recall being mentioned. Councillor Ireland did not leave the meeting he just moved from the council seats to the public seating and then spent the rest of the evening in discussion with the 3 representatives of the BNP who were at the meeting.
This is not a case of cost or being patrionic it is just a case of what is sensible. We do not have a history of flying the flag apart from special occassions and this is how, in my opinion, it should remain.
Posted by: spooks, calne on 7:57pm Fri 4 Jan 08
[quote][bold]P Dolman[/bold] wrote:
I attended the council meeting when this was debated and the council did not object on the grounds of cost and the figure of £80.00 I do not recall being mentioned. Councillor Ireland did not leave the meeting he just moved from the council seats to the public seating and then spent the rest of the evening in discussion with the 3 representatives of the BNP who were at the meeting. This is not a case of cost or being patrionic it is just a case of what is sensible. We do not have a history of flying the flag apart from special occassions and this is how, in my opinion, it should remain.[/quote] so what your saying is that the gazette got it wrong..well whats new there .
but what is the problemn of flying the union flag ??why is taking the flag down sensible.?
wouldnt it cost more for someone to put the flag up every now and then .then what it would be to leave it up every day.
we dont really have a lot of britian left so the flag is a great representation .
i would vote to leave it up and fly it with pride
P Dolman wrote:
I attended the council meeting when this was debated and the council did not object on the grounds of cost and the figure of £80.00 I do not recall being mentioned. Councillor Ireland did not leave the meeting he just moved from the council seats to the public seating and then spent the rest of the evening in discussion with the 3 representatives of the BNP who were at the meeting. This is not a case of cost or being patrionic it is just a case of what is sensible. We do not have a history of flying the flag apart from special occassions and this is how, in my opinion, it should remain.
so what your saying is that the gazette got it wrong..well whats new there .
but what is the problemn of flying the union flag ??why is taking the flag down sensible.?
wouldnt it cost more for someone to put the flag up every now and then .then what it would be to leave it up every day.
we dont really have a lot of britian left so the flag is a great representation .
i would vote to leave it up and fly it with pride
Posted by: who dat? on 8:37pm Fri 4 Jan 08
They ought to make the most of it - once Bottler McBroon and his cronies get their way the ONLY flag flying will be that laughable blue rag with the yellow stars on as we become a European region!
They ought to make the most of it - once Bottler McBroon and his cronies get their way the ONLY flag flying will be that laughable blue rag with the yellow stars on as we become a European region!
Posted by: P Dolman, Calne on 9:45pm Fri 4 Jan 08
What I am saying is that this is not an issue, the town councillors are not unpatriotic!
This is not about flying the flag but more about positioning of parties before the byelection on the 31st January in Lickhill Ward. Why do people in Pembrokeshire or indeed anywhere but Calne feel that they need to get involved in this blogg? In fact how did they get to hear about it, I don't read the Carmarthen News! The answer is that they have been asked by their "party" to do so!
What I am saying is that this is not an issue, the town councillors are not unpatriotic!
This is not about flying the flag but more about positioning of parties before the byelection on the 31st January in Lickhill Ward. Why do people in Pembrokeshire or indeed anywhere but Calne feel that they need to get involved in this blogg? In fact how did they get to hear about it, I don't read the Carmarthen News! The answer is that they have been asked by their "party" to do so!
Posted by: Joe, Calne on 10:48pm Fri 4 Jan 08
If it is not an issue then why dont the town just fly the flag with pride.
Whats a bye election really got to do with it?
Just to be clear i am from Calne and i just think its a daft stance for the council to take and there is no need for it all public buildings should fly the flag with pride
If it is not an issue then why dont the town just fly the flag with pride.
Whats a bye election really got to do with it?
Just to be clear i am from Calne and i just think its a daft stance for the council to take and there is no need for it all public buildings should fly the flag with pride
Posted by: spooks, calne on 11:55pm Fri 4 Jan 08
[quote][bold]Joe[/bold] wrote:
If it is not an issue then why dont the town just fly the flag with pride. Whats a bye election really got to do with it? Just to be clear i am from Calne and i just think its a daft stance for the council to take and there is no need for it all public buildings should fly the flag with pride[/quote] EXACTLEY
www.calnetalk.com
Joe wrote:
If it is not an issue then why dont the town just fly the flag with pride. Whats a bye election really got to do with it? Just to be clear i am from Calne and i just think its a daft stance for the council to take and there is no need for it all public buildings should fly the flag with pride
EXACTLEY
www.calnetalk.com
Posted by: donteventhinkit, corsham former calne on 1:33am Sat 5 Jan 08
[quote][bold]P Dolman[/bold] wrote:
I attended the council meeting when this was debated and the council did not object on the grounds of cost and the figure of £80.00 I do not recall being mentioned. Councillor Ireland did not leave the meeting he just moved from the council seats to the public seating and then spent the rest of the evening in discussion with the 3 representatives of the BNP who were at the meeting. This is not a case of cost or being patrionic it is just a case of what is sensible. We do not have a history of flying the flag apart from special occassions and this is how, in my opinion, it should remain.[/quote] Ok thanks for making it all clear your issue is not with who posts comment or the article or the flag its that someone went and chatted to bnp members.Stop being a miserable old fart and get that flag up on its pole where it belongs if private homes hotels and pubs can manage to fly the flag 365 days a year so can the council its our money you spend so spend it on what we want.
P Dolman wrote:
I attended the council meeting when this was debated and the council did not object on the grounds of cost and the figure of £80.00 I do not recall being mentioned. Councillor Ireland did not leave the meeting he just moved from the council seats to the public seating and then spent the rest of the evening in discussion with the 3 representatives of the BNP who were at the meeting. This is not a case of cost or being patrionic it is just a case of what is sensible. We do not have a history of flying the flag apart from special occassions and this is how, in my opinion, it should remain.
Ok thanks for making it all clear your issue is not with who posts comment or the article or the flag its that someone went and chatted to bnp members.Stop being a miserable old fart and get that flag up on its pole where it belongs if private homes hotels and pubs can manage to fly the flag 365 days a year so can the council its our money you spend so spend it on what we want.
Posted by: SwindonNF, Swindon on 6:04am Sat 5 Jan 08
[quote][bold]P Dolman[/bold] wrote:
What I am saying is that this is not an issue, the town councillors are not unpatriotic! This is not about flying the flag but more about positioning of parties before the byelection on the 31st January in Lickhill Ward. Why do people in Pembrokeshire or indeed anywhere but Calne feel that they need to get involved in this blogg? In fact how did they get to hear about it, I don't read the Carmarthen News! The answer is that they have been asked by their "party" to do so! [/quote] I have never been asked by the National Front to post on this commentspace. As you will see if you go through the sites archives, i have been posting on the Gazettes stories regularly for quiete some time now!
But whoever posts on here and what their reasons are shouldnt be of any concern to you Whatsoever. Perhaps the guy from Pembrokeshire is originally from Wiltshire and likes to know whats happening in his hometown. I was once in debate ith a communist from Gt Yarmouth on here and i didnt try telling him that he has no place on this commentspace. Its for anyone no matter where in the country they may be! Just who do you think you are in implying he doesnt belong here?
So your reason behind wanting to take down the Union Jack flag, despite the wishes of the people of Calne wanting THEIR flag to stay up, is what exactly?
P Dolman wrote:
What I am saying is that this is not an issue, the town councillors are not unpatriotic! This is not about flying the flag but more about positioning of parties before the byelection on the 31st January in Lickhill Ward. Why do people in Pembrokeshire or indeed anywhere but Calne feel that they need to get involved in this blogg? In fact how did they get to hear about it, I don't read the Carmarthen News! The answer is that they have been asked by their "party" to do so!
I have never been asked by the National Front to post on this commentspace. As you will see if you go through the sites archives, i have been posting on the Gazettes stories regularly for quiete some time now!
But whoever posts on here and what their reasons are shouldnt be of any concern to you Whatsoever. Perhaps the guy from Pembrokeshire is originally from Wiltshire and likes to know whats happening in his hometown. I was once in debate ith a communist from Gt Yarmouth on here and i didnt try telling him that he has no place on this commentspace. Its for anyone no matter where in the country they may be! Just who do you think you are in implying he doesnt belong here?
So your reason behind wanting to take down the Union Jack flag, despite the wishes of the people of Calne wanting THEIR flag to stay up, is what exactly?
Posted by: Yali, Ex-Melksham on 8:21am Sat 5 Jan 08
Not just Calne but ALL towns, cities etc should fly either the Union, St George flag or both. If you don`t like that idea then go and live somewhere else as you are obviously not English (or British). And no, I do not support the NF or like but am beginning to warm to their ideas and thats sad.
Not just Calne but ALL towns, cities etc should fly either the Union, St George flag or both. If you don`t like that idea then go and live somewhere else as you are obviously not English (or British). And no, I do not support the NF or like but am beginning to warm to their ideas and thats sad.
Posted by: P Dolman, Calne on 9:53am Sat 5 Jan 08
The position I come from is that I am English 1st & British 2nd so if any flag should be flown it would be the cross of St George.
More to the point is that words sre cheap and actions are far more eloquent, if you really want to be patriotic then you should stop taking foreign holidays, buying cheap imports etc etc!
As a wolly minded liberal I do wonder why SwindonNF would want to get involved in this argument which patently will go no where. Perhaps he has nothing better to do, I could suggest that he visits the newly opened Calne Leisure Centre and start taking some physicall excercise.
Happy New Year
The position I come from is that I am English 1st & British 2nd so if any flag should be flown it would be the cross of St George.
More to the point is that words sre cheap and actions are far more eloquent, if you really want to be patriotic then you should stop taking foreign holidays, buying cheap imports etc etc!
As a wolly minded liberal I do wonder why SwindonNF would want to get involved in this argument which patently will go no where. Perhaps he has nothing better to do, I could suggest that he visits the newly opened Calne Leisure Centre and start taking some physicall excercise.
Happy New Year
Posted by: Yali, Ex-Melksham on 12:38pm Sat 5 Jan 08
My remarks were not aimed at you P Dolman but were a general statement of my feelings. I live in Turkey and proudly fly the St George flag alongside the Turkish flag and the Turks love it. Yes, I get all the Crusader jokes from them but without any malice. Why is it such a big deal in UK ?? Just put the flags up, it doesn`t need discussion.
My remarks were not aimed at you P Dolman but were a general statement of my feelings. I live in Turkey and proudly fly the St George flag alongside the Turkish flag and the Turks love it. Yes, I get all the Crusader jokes from them but without any malice. Why is it such a big deal in UK ?? Just put the flags up, it doesn`t need discussion.
Posted by: donteventhinkit, Corsham formally calne on 4:40am Sun 6 Jan 08
Right if actions are better than words will someone please get a ladder and a flag and go hoist the darn thing to shut this bleeding heart liberal up.But then how anyone who snipes about who comments is a liberal god alone knows.Best thing the good folk of Calne can do is vote these wasters off and stick some decent folk in
Right if actions are better than words will someone please get a ladder and a flag and go hoist the darn thing to shut this bleeding heart liberal up.But then how anyone who snipes about who comments is a liberal god alone knows.Best thing the good folk of Calne can do is vote these wasters off and stick some decent folk in
Posted by: SwindonNF, Swindon on 1:19am Mon 7 Jan 08
[quote][bold]P Dolman[/bold] wrote:
The position I come from is that I am English 1st & British 2nd so if any flag should be flown it would be the cross of St George. More to the point is that words sre cheap and actions are far more eloquent, if you really want to be patriotic then you should stop taking foreign holidays, buying cheap imports etc etc! As a wolly minded liberal I do wonder why SwindonNF would want to get involved in this argument which patently will go no where. Perhaps he has nothing better to do, I could suggest that he visits the newly opened Calne Leisure Centre and start taking some physicall excercise. Happy New Year[/quote] The position you come from? WTF, you dont want your nations flag, be it a Union Jack or a St Georges cross flying over the town hall!!! This is the position of a very unpatriotic person, even by the Liberal Dimocrats standards.
Now i holiday in the UK and try not to buy Chinese imports (Where possible) as i see this as keeping my country's folk in employment.
Why would i want to get involved in this argument? The same reason as everyone else! Because if something is happening within my district that i dont like, i publicly speak my mind on the matter. It may get me nowhere, but people can read my point of view and decide if they agree or disagree.
Now please could the council do as the people of Calne ask and get our Union Jack flag on the town hall and preferably as a permanent feature!
P Dolman wrote:
The position I come from is that I am English 1st & British 2nd so if any flag should be flown it would be the cross of St George. More to the point is that words sre cheap and actions are far more eloquent, if you really want to be patriotic then you should stop taking foreign holidays, buying cheap imports etc etc! As a wolly minded liberal I do wonder why SwindonNF would want to get involved in this argument which patently will go no where. Perhaps he has nothing better to do, I could suggest that he visits the newly opened Calne Leisure Centre and start taking some physicall excercise. Happy New Year
The position you come from? WTF, you dont want your nations flag, be it a Union Jack or a St Georges cross flying over the town hall!!! This is the position of a very unpatriotic person, even by the Liberal Dimocrats standards.
Now i holiday in the UK and try not to buy Chinese imports (Where possible) as i see this as keeping my country's folk in employment.
Why would i want to get involved in this argument? The same reason as everyone else! Because if something is happening within my district that i dont like, i publicly speak my mind on the matter. It may get me nowhere, but people can read my point of view and decide if they agree or disagree.
Now please could the council do as the people of Calne ask and get our Union Jack flag on the town hall and preferably as a permanent feature!
Posted by: SwindonNF, Swindon on 1:24am Mon 7 Jan 08
[quote][bold]donteventhinkit[/bold] wrote:
Right if actions are better than words will someone please get a ladder and a flag and go hoist the darn thing to shut this bleeding heart liberal up.But then how anyone who snipes about who comments is a liberal god alone knows.Best thing the good folk of Calne can do is vote these wasters off and stick some decent folk in[/quote] If actions are better than words, i give my word that i will personally pay the £40 to keep that flag flying above the town hall of Calne for the next 6 months. I have just proposed to half the councils bill from my own pocket. So now the council have no excuse to take it down. Please Dolman, get back to me on why you want it taken down!
donteventhinkit wrote:
Right if actions are better than words will someone please get a ladder and a flag and go hoist the darn thing to shut this bleeding heart liberal up.But then how anyone who snipes about who comments is a liberal god alone knows.Best thing the good folk of Calne can do is vote these wasters off and stick some decent folk in
If actions are better than words, i give my word that i will personally pay the £40 to keep that flag flying above the town hall of Calne for the next 6 months. I have just proposed to half the councils bill from my own pocket. So now the council have no excuse to take it down. Please Dolman, get back to me on why you want it taken down!
Posted by: Joe, Calne on 10:51am Mon 7 Jan 08
I suspect it has nothing to do with the £80 its all to do with petty squabbling and point scoring in the council.
I think the gazzette should run a fly the flag campaign!!
I find it hard to believe the majority of towns folk would have any issue with flying the flag and probably without having looked assumed it was flown anyway.
It baffles me that our elected representatives should have come to such a strange decision and believe they represent the town.
Take the £80 from the Mayors allowance then the money issue is solved.
I suspect it has nothing to do with the £80 its all to do with petty squabbling and point scoring in the council.
I think the gazzette should run a fly the flag campaign!!
I find it hard to believe the majority of towns folk would have any issue with flying the flag and probably without having looked assumed it was flown anyway.
It baffles me that our elected representatives should have come to such a strange decision and believe they represent the town.
Take the £80 from the Mayors allowance then the money issue is solved.
Posted by: John Ireland, Calne Wiltshire on 5:35pm Mon 7 Jan 08
I have to tell you all that my motion to fly the Union Flag was not motivated by politics at all but simply by patriotism spurred on by the tragic site of the repatriation of service dead through Wooten Bassett.
It may have been missed by you all that the families of those honoured dead are frequently put up at the Lansdowne Strand Hotel next door to Calne Town Hall. As for Mr. Dolmans accusations, I did sit next to the BNP after I left the meeting but they were the only people in the hall other than him, it was not for conversation as I did not talk to them. I did however talk to Mr. Dolman but then I talk to anyone. My motion was the last on the open agenda and I left the hall rather than stay for the confidential discussions.
I fear that politics is evident here but this started life as a simple request to fly a Union Flag from the Town Hall and the politics seems to have usurped that for whatever reason. I still want that to happen and I do not consider this issue suitable to be used as a political footbal.
[bold]Shame on those however who do.[/bold]
I have to tell you all that my motion to fly the Union Flag was not motivated by politics at all but simply by patriotism spurred on by the tragic site of the repatriation of service dead through Wooten Bassett.
It may have been missed by you all that the families of those honoured dead are frequently put up at the Lansdowne Strand Hotel next door to Calne Town Hall. As for Mr. Dolmans accusations, I did sit next to the BNP after I left the meeting but they were the only people in the hall other than him, it was not for conversation as I did not talk to them. I did however talk to Mr. Dolman but then I talk to anyone. My motion was the last on the open agenda and I left the hall rather than stay for the confidential discussions.
I fear that politics is evident here but this started life as a simple request to fly a Union Flag from the Town Hall and the politics seems to have usurped that for whatever reason. I still want that to happen and I do not consider this issue suitable to be used as a political footbal.
Shame on those however who do. Posted by: P Dolman, Calne on 7:47pm Mon 7 Jan 08
I am not against or for the permanent flying of any flag. If individuals want to do so I suppose they could fly their own flag from their own property, I don't see many in this or any other town doing so.
John as far as my comments relating to you I just wanted to set the record straight and let everyone know what really happened. As I told you I am not involved in the forthcoming bye-election and will not be.
I am not against or for the permanent flying of any flag. If individuals want to do so I suppose they could fly their own flag from their own property, I don't see many in this or any other town doing so.
John as far as my comments relating to you I just wanted to set the record straight and let everyone know what really happened. As I told you I am not involved in the forthcoming bye-election and will not be.
Posted by: me, calne on 8:00pm Mon 7 Jan 08
Australia, anyone?
Muslims who want to live under Islamic Sharia law were told on Wednesday to get out of Australia, as the government targeted radicals in a bid to head off potential terror attacks.
A day after a group of mainstream Muslim leaders pledged loyalty to Australia and her Queen at a special meeting with Prime Minister John Howard, he and his Ministers made it clear that extremists would face a crackdown. Treasurer Peter Costello, seen as heir apparent to Howard, hinted that some radical clerics could be asked to leave the country if they did not accept that Australia was a secular state, and its laws were made by parliament. "If those are not your values, if you want a country which has Sharia law or a theocratic state, then Australia is not for you", he said on National Television.
"I'd be saying to clerics who are teaching that there are two laws governing people in Australia: one the Australian law and another Islamic law that is false. If you can't agree with parliamentary law, independent courts, democracy, and would prefer Sharia law and have the opportunity to go to another country, which practices it, perhaps, then, that's a better option", Costello said.
Asked whether he meant radical clerics would be forced to leave, he said those with dual citizenship could possibly be asked to move to the other country. Education Minister Brendan Nelson later told reporters that Muslims who did not want to accept local values should "clear off. Basically people who don't want to be Australians, and who don't want, to live by Australian values and understand them, well then, they can basically clear off", he said.
Separately, Howard angered some Australian Muslims on Wednesday by saying he supported spy agencies monitoring the nation's mosques.
Quote: "IMMIGRANTS, NOT AUSTRALIANS, MUST ADAPT. Take It Or Leave It. I am tired of this nation worrying about whether we are offending some individual or their culture. Since the terrorist attacks on Bali, we have experienced a surge in patriotism by the majority of Australians."
"However, the dust from the attacks had barely settled when the 'politically correct' crowd began complaining about the possibility that our patriotism was offending others. I am not against immigration, nor do I hold a grudge against anyone who is seeking a better life by coming to Australia." "However, there are a few things that those who have recently come to our country, and apparently some born here, need to understand." "This idea of Australiabeing a multicultural community has served only to dilute our sovereignty and our national identity. And as Australians, we have our own culture, our own society, our own language and our own lifestyle."
"This culture has been developed over two centuries of struggles, trials and victories by millions of men and women who have sought freedom"
"We speak mainly ENGLISH, not Spanish, Lebanese, Arabic, Chinese, Japanese, Russian, or any other language. Therefore, if you wish to become part of our society. Learn the language!"
"Most Australians believe in God. This is not some Christian, right wing, political push, but a fact, because Christian men and women, on Christian principles, founded this nation, and this is clearly documented. It is certainly appropriate to display it on the walls of our schools. If God offends you, then I suggest you consider another part of the world as your new home, because God is part of our culture."
"We will accept your beliefs, and will not question why. All we ask is that you accept ours, and live in harmony and peaceful enjoyment with us."
"If the Southern Cross offends you, or you don't like "A Fair Go", then you should seriously consider a move to another part of this planet. We are happy with our culture and have no desire to change, and we really don't care how you did things where you came from. By all means, keep your culture, but do not force it on others.
"This is OUR COUNTRY, OUR LAND, and OUR LIFESTYLE, and we will allow you every opportunity to enjoy all this. But once you are done complaining, whining, and griping about Our Flag, Our Pledge, Our Christian beliefs, or Our Way of Life, I highly encourage you take advantage of one other great Australian freedom,
'THE RIGHT TO LEAVE'."
"If you aren't happy here then LEAVE. We didn't force you to come here. You asked to be here. So accept the country YOU accepted."
Maybe if we circulate this amongst ourselves, citizens will find the backbone to start speaking and voicing the same truths!
GET SOME OF THIS ON THE GO IN THE UK!
Australia, anyone?
Muslims who want to live under Islamic Sharia law were told on Wednesday to get out of Australia, as the government targeted radicals in a bid to head off potential terror attacks.
A day after a group of mainstream Muslim leaders pledged loyalty to Australia and her Queen at a special meeting with Prime Minister John Howard, he and his Ministers made it clear that extremists would face a crackdown. Treasurer Peter Costello, seen as heir apparent to Howard, hinted that some radical clerics could be asked to leave the country if they did not accept that Australia was a secular state, and its laws were made by parliament. "If those are not your values, if you want a country which has Sharia law or a theocratic state, then Australia is not for you", he said on National Television.
"I'd be saying to clerics who are teaching that there are two laws governing people in Australia: one the Australian law and another Islamic law that is false. If you can't agree with parliamentary law, independent courts, democracy, and would prefer Sharia law and have the opportunity to go to another country, which practices it, perhaps, then, that's a better option", Costello said.
Asked whether he meant radical clerics would be forced to leave, he said those with dual citizenship could possibly be asked to move to the other country. Education Minister Brendan Nelson later told reporters that Muslims who did not want to accept local values should "clear off. Basically people who don't want to be Australians, and who don't want, to live by Australian values and understand them, well then, they can basically clear off", he said.
Separately, Howard angered some Australian Muslims on Wednesday by saying he supported spy agencies monitoring the nation's mosques.
Quote: "IMMIGRANTS, NOT AUSTRALIANS, MUST ADAPT. Take It Or Leave It. I am tired of this nation worrying about whether we are offending some individual or their culture. Since the terrorist attacks on Bali, we have experienced a surge in patriotism by the majority of Australians."
"However, the dust from the attacks had barely settled when the 'politically correct' crowd began complaining about the possibility that our patriotism was offending others. I am not against immigration, nor do I hold a grudge against anyone who is seeking a better life by coming to Australia." "However, there are a few things that those who have recently come to our country, and apparently some born here, need to understand." "This idea of Australiabeing a multicultural community has served only to dilute our sovereignty and our national identity. And as Australians, we have our own culture, our own society, our own language and our own lifestyle."
"This culture has been developed over two centuries of struggles, trials and victories by millions of men and women who have sought freedom"
"We speak mainly ENGLISH, not Spanish, Lebanese, Arabic, Chinese, Japanese, Russian, or any other language. Therefore, if you wish to become part of our society. Learn the language!"
"Most Australians believe in God. This is not some Christian, right wing, political push, but a fact, because Christian men and women, on Christian principles, founded this nation, and this is clearly documented. It is certainly appropriate to display it on the walls of our schools. If God offends you, then I suggest you consider another part of the world as your new home, because God is part of our culture."
"We will accept your beliefs, and will not question why. All we ask is that you accept ours, and live in harmony and peaceful enjoyment with us."
"If the Southern Cross offends you, or you don't like "A Fair Go", then you should seriously consider a move to another part of this planet. We are happy with our culture and have no desire to change, and we really don't care how you did things where you came from. By all means, keep your culture, but do not force it on others.
"This is OUR COUNTRY, OUR LAND, and OUR LIFESTYLE, and we will allow you every opportunity to enjoy all this. But once you are done complaining, whining, and griping about Our Flag, Our Pledge, Our Christian beliefs, or Our Way of Life, I highly encourage you take advantage of one other great Australian freedom,
'THE RIGHT TO LEAVE'."
"If you aren't happy here then LEAVE. We didn't force you to come here. You asked to be here. So accept the country YOU accepted."
Maybe if we circulate this amongst ourselves, citizens will find the backbone to start speaking and voicing the same truths!
GET SOME OF THIS ON THE GO IN THE UK!
Posted by: Yali, Turkey on 8:11pm Mon 7 Jan 08
Excellent posting me, never happen in UK though, The PC mob would never allow it mores the pity.
Excellent posting me, never happen in UK though, The PC mob would never allow it mores the pity.
Posted by: spooks, calne on 9:03pm Mon 7 Jan 08
fear that politics is evident here but this started life as a simple request to fly a Union Flag from the Town Hall and the politics seems to have usurped that for whatever reason. I still want that to happen and I do not consider this issue suitable to be used as a political footbal.
no its not sutible for political football.I never realised that the famileys of those who have died for this country stay in the lansdowne.
The town hall should fly the flag and fly it with pride.
any form of patriotism should be encouraged with so much taken away from us.
SO FLY THE FLAG FOR THE PEOPLE OF CALNE,FLY THE FLAG FOR THOSE WHO HAVE DIED IN THE ARMED FORSES.
we put this topic on www.calnetalk.com and the members on there want the flag to fly.they are all people of calne so listen to what the calne people want and put the flag up.
fear that politics is evident here but this started life as a simple request to fly a Union Flag from the Town Hall and the politics seems to have usurped that for whatever reason. I still want that to happen and I do not consider this issue suitable to be used as a political footbal.
no its not sutible for political football.I never realised that the famileys of those who have died for this country stay in the lansdowne.
The town hall should fly the flag and fly it with pride.
any form of patriotism should be encouraged with so much taken away from us.
SO FLY THE FLAG FOR THE PEOPLE OF CALNE,FLY THE FLAG FOR THOSE WHO HAVE DIED IN THE ARMED FORSES.
we put this topic on www.calnetalk.com and the members on there want the flag to fly.they are all people of calne so listen to what the calne people want and put the flag up.
Posted by: me, calne on 9:35pm Mon 7 Jan 08
SO FLY THE FLAG FOR THE PEOPLE OF CALNE,FLY THE FLAG FOR THOSE WHO HAVE DIED IN THE ARMED FORSES.
its forces
SO FLY THE FLAG FOR THE PEOPLE OF CALNE,FLY THE FLAG FOR THOSE WHO HAVE DIED IN THE ARMED FORSES.
its forces
Posted by: spooks, calne on 10:27pm Mon 7 Jan 08
i was in a rush .lol
you know what i mean.
as for the posting regarding australia i would love that to happen here unfortunatley we seem to have a goverment what hasnt got the balls to put the wheels in motion.
www.calnetalk.com
i was in a rush .lol
you know what i mean.
as for the posting regarding australia i would love that to happen here unfortunatley we seem to have a goverment what hasnt got the balls to put the wheels in motion.
www.calnetalk.com
Posted by: me, calne on 10:30pm Mon 7 Jan 08
i know , i have the same problem ,get more people to read my post ,
i know , i have the same problem ,get more people to read my post ,
Posted by: DAVE, CALNE on 11:22pm Mon 7 Jan 08
Dave Bland Calne Town Councillor and Membership Secretary Calne Branch Royal British Legion says: Just to clear up a few points, this was not a Political swipe. I seconded John Ireland's proposal to fly the Union Jack in support of our brave Men and Women curently serving in our armed forces.
Sadly, only 2 other Councillors supported us however, 13 voted against. I strongly believe these 13 Councillors should be named and shamed for their actions.
As a Trader in Wootton Bassett I attend all the Repatriation Ceremonies along with other Traders,the people of Bassett, Royal British Legion Members and many Veterans. The people of Bassett are proud to pay tribute to our fallen Service Men and Women. The Wootton Bassett Council fly the Union Jack 365 days a year. Why should we do less? Perhaps the 13 Councillors who are against flying the flag should attend any further Repatriations and see the true cost.
I am suprised and deeply saddened at those Councillors who fail to support us. I can only hope that Public opinion prevails.
Dave Bland Calne Town Councillor and Membership Secretary Calne Branch Royal British Legion says: Just to clear up a few points, this was not a Political swipe. I seconded John Ireland's proposal to fly the Union Jack in support of our brave Men and Women curently serving in our armed forces.
Sadly, only 2 other Councillors supported us however, 13 voted against. I strongly believe these 13 Councillors should be named and shamed for their actions.
As a Trader in Wootton Bassett I attend all the Repatriation Ceremonies along with other Traders,the people of Bassett, Royal British Legion Members and many Veterans. The people of Bassett are proud to pay tribute to our fallen Service Men and Women. The Wootton Bassett Council fly the Union Jack 365 days a year. Why should we do less? Perhaps the 13 Councillors who are against flying the flag should attend any further Repatriations and see the true cost.
I am suprised and deeply saddened at those Councillors who fail to support us. I can only hope that Public opinion prevails.
Posted by: DAVE, Calne on 11:38pm Mon 7 Jan 08
If you wish to support us, please write to the Calne Mayor, Councillor Roy Golding. Should you live in Calne please contact your Councillor to state your support, and ask for their's?
If you wish to support us, please write to the Calne Mayor, Councillor Roy Golding. Should you live in Calne please contact your Councillor to state your support, and ask for their's?
Posted by: Joe, Calne on 12:06am Tue 8 Jan 08
Dave Bland is right expression of public opinion to the town council is the best way.
It is staggering that our council only has 4 councilors who would support flying the flag and 13 against!!! What possibly could be behind such a large scale objection to flying the flag amoungst councillors would be nice to know
Dave Bland is right expression of public opinion to the town council is the best way.
It is staggering that our council only has 4 councilors who would support flying the flag and 13 against!!! What possibly could be behind such a large scale objection to flying the flag amoungst councillors would be nice to know
Posted by: spooks, calne on 12:25am Tue 8 Jan 08
[quote][bold]Joe[/bold] wrote:
Dave Bland is right expression of public opinion to the town council is the best way. It is staggering that our council only has 4 councilors who would support flying the flag and 13 against!!! What possibly could be behind such a large scale objection to flying the flag amoungst councillors would be nice to know[/quote] quite agree because some of the reasons behind p dolmans reasons for not flying the flag is a load of cods wallop.
if you asked the residents of calne i am sure that at least 90 per cent would want the flag up.
www.calnetalk.com
Joe wrote:
Dave Bland is right expression of public opinion to the town council is the best way. It is staggering that our council only has 4 councilors who would support flying the flag and 13 against!!! What possibly could be behind such a large scale objection to flying the flag amoungst councillors would be nice to know
quite agree because some of the reasons behind p dolmans reasons for not flying the flag is a load of cods wallop.
if you asked the residents of calne i am sure that at least 90 per cent would want the flag up.
www.calnetalk.com
Posted by: SwindonNF, Swindon on 1:33am Tue 8 Jan 08
[quote][bold]John Ireland[/bold] wrote:
I have to tell you all that my motion to fly the Union Flag was not motivated by politics at all but simply by patriotism spurred on by the tragic site of the repatriation of service dead through Wooten Bassett. It may have been missed by you all that the families of those honoured dead are frequently put up at the Lansdowne Strand Hotel next door to Calne Town Hall. As for Mr. Dolmans accusations, I did sit next to the BNP after I left the meeting but they were the only people in the hall other than him, it was not for conversation as I did not talk to them. I did however talk to Mr. Dolman but then I talk to anyone. My motion was the last on the open agenda and I left the hall rather than stay for the confidential discussions. I fear that politics is evident here but this started life as a simple request to fly a Union Flag from the Town Hall and the politics seems to have usurped that for whatever reason. I still want that to happen and I do not consider this issue suitable to be used as a political footbal. [bold]Shame on those however who do.[/bold] [/quote] Mr Ireland, my backing your request isnt me playing "Political Football". Its me answering as a person on the matter.
I admire your patriotism and give you full respect. I really hope that you and Mr Bland get elected next election, we need more councillors like you two.
John Ireland wrote:
I have to tell you all that my motion to fly the Union Flag was not motivated by politics at all but simply by patriotism spurred on by the tragic site of the repatriation of service dead through Wooten Bassett. It may have been missed by you all that the families of those honoured dead are frequently put up at the Lansdowne Strand Hotel next door to Calne Town Hall. As for Mr. Dolmans accusations, I did sit next to the BNP after I left the meeting but they were the only people in the hall other than him, it was not for conversation as I did not talk to them. I did however talk to Mr. Dolman but then I talk to anyone. My motion was the last on the open agenda and I left the hall rather than stay for the confidential discussions. I fear that politics is evident here but this started life as a simple request to fly a Union Flag from the Town Hall and the politics seems to have usurped that for whatever reason. I still want that to happen and I do not consider this issue suitable to be used as a political footbal. Shame on those however who do.
Mr Ireland, my backing your request isnt me playing "Political Football". Its me answering as a person on the matter.
I admire your patriotism and give you full respect. I really hope that you and Mr Bland get elected next election, we need more councillors like you two.
Posted by: Don, Devizes on 8:39am Tue 8 Jan 08
[quote][bold]me[/bold] wrote:
SO FLY THE FLAG FOR THE PEOPLE OF CALNE,FLY THE FLAG FOR THOSE WHO HAVE DIED IN THE ARMED FORSES. its forces[/quote] It's "It's".
me wrote:
SO FLY THE FLAG FOR THE PEOPLE OF CALNE,FLY THE FLAG FOR THOSE WHO HAVE DIED IN THE ARMED FORSES. its forces
It's "It's".
Posted by: Joe, Calne on 10:08am Tue 8 Jan 08
It would be nice if people could express their opinion without the need for someone else to come along and do no more than correct their grammer
It would be nice if people could express their opinion without the need for someone else to come along and do no more than correct their grammer
Posted by: Wiltshireflag Man, Trowbridge on 11:44am Tue 8 Jan 08
All very interesting, being a keen vexillologist following the governments amended rulings by the Department of Culture, Media and Sport (the Ministry responsible for the rules concerning the flying of the Union flags and others). The new guidelines state that the flag can be flown on any day subject to the removal of any planning objections for the style or location of the flagpole. The old recommendations up to July of 2007, in many cases advised that the 18 official flag flying days were observed, with flags being flown at the specified times of the day (see full list of requirements on the governments website. Having said all that, we and others have been lobbying the government for years to accept the flying of flags other than National flags, and on April 6th 2007 the law was amended to accept the flying of County flags in their respective County without the statutory requirement of planning permission under the Display of Advertisements Act 1992. Up to that date you could fly a flag of any nation (USA, Iran, North Korea for example), but not the twelve starred European Union flag or our own County flag.
Since 05/06/07 the new Wiltshire County flag has been flown from County Hall in Trowbridge, so could we consider flying this flag as well as the Union flag on different occasions to try to diffuse the tensions that seem to have arisen over this matter.
All very interesting, being a keen vexillologist following the governments amended rulings by the Department of Culture, Media and Sport (the Ministry responsible for the rules concerning the flying of the Union flags and others). The new guidelines state that the flag can be flown on any day subject to the removal of any planning objections for the style or location of the flagpole. The old recommendations up to July of 2007, in many cases advised that the 18 official flag flying days were observed, with flags being flown at the specified times of the day (see full list of requirements on the governments website. Having said all that, we and others have been lobbying the government for years to accept the flying of flags other than National flags, and on April 6th 2007 the law was amended to accept the flying of County flags in their respective County without the statutory requirement of planning permission under the Display of Advertisements Act 1992. Up to that date you could fly a flag of any nation (USA, Iran, North Korea for example), but not the twelve starred European Union flag or our own County flag.
Since 05/06/07 the new Wiltshire County flag has been flown from County Hall in Trowbridge, so could we consider flying this flag as well as the Union flag on different occasions to try to diffuse the tensions that seem to have arisen over this matter.
Posted by: Yali, Ex-Melksham on 1:45pm Tue 8 Jan 08
Who gives a toss about whose flag should be flying and whose should not. The St George flag should fly over every council building, police station, Buck palace etc etc without any argument.
Who gives a toss about whose flag should be flying and whose should not. The St George flag should fly over every council building, police station, Buck palace etc etc without any argument.
Posted by: SwindonNF, Swindon on 2:06pm Tue 8 Jan 08
[quote][bold]Yali[/bold] wrote:
Who gives a toss about whose flag should be flying and whose should not. The St George flag should fly over every council building, police station, Buck palace etc etc without any argument.[/quote] As should the Union Jack
Yali wrote:
Who gives a toss about whose flag should be flying and whose should not. The St George flag should fly over every council building, police station, Buck palace etc etc without any argument.
As should the Union Jack
Posted by: Ellie Bland, Calne on 9:25pm Tue 8 Jan 08
The reason for the flying of the Union Jack from the Town Hall in Calne, is primarily as a mark of respect for all our serving troops, irrespective of their place of Birth ie: England, Scotland or Wales. However, I have spoken to several of the Relatives who stay overnight in our Town. They always speak of how 'grateful they are for the help and kindness shown to them'. Everytime I hear this spoken, I feel the least our Townspeople could do is show respect in return - by flying the flag of the Nation their loved ones died for. Not too much to ask for surely?, but sadly it appears too much for 13 Calne Town Councillors, including those who have served themselves, or whose Families have served and call themselves Patriots!
Ellie Bland - Social Secretary. Calne Branch Royal British Legion.
PS As a Member of the last Town Council I witnessed much financial waste, which I voted against. But for 13 of the current Councillors to waste the name of our Town is totally unforgiveable.
The reason for the flying of the Union Jack from the Town Hall in Calne, is primarily as a mark of respect for all our serving troops, irrespective of their place of Birth ie: England, Scotland or Wales. However, I have spoken to several of the Relatives who stay overnight in our Town. They always speak of how 'grateful they are for the help and kindness shown to them'. Everytime I hear this spoken, I feel the least our Townspeople could do is show respect in return - by flying the flag of the Nation their loved ones died for. Not too much to ask for surely?, but sadly it appears too much for 13 Calne Town Councillors, including those who have served themselves, or whose Families have served and call themselves Patriots!
Ellie Bland - Social Secretary. Calne Branch Royal British Legion.
PS As a Member of the last Town Council I witnessed much financial waste, which I voted against. But for 13 of the current Councillors to waste the name of our Town is totally unforgiveable.
Posted by: me, calne on 10:40pm Tue 8 Jan 08
ellie, name & shame them
Posted by: Joe, Calne on 10:43pm Tue 8 Jan 08
I think someone should name the 13 who voted against so we all know? After all political peeps should be prepared to stand by what they have voted for and if they have voted against they should be prepared to be named and shamed, and perhaps give an explanation as to their reasons after all they are supposed to be accountable to the electorate.
I think someone should name the 13 who voted against so we all know? After all political peeps should be prepared to stand by what they have voted for and if they have voted against they should be prepared to be named and shamed, and perhaps give an explanation as to their reasons after all they are supposed to be accountable to the electorate.
Posted by: me, calne on 11:06pm Tue 8 Jan 08
it does not take much working out who the thirteen are really, take the two names of the list, go to the town councils website & theres the list , & then you can ask them personally
it does not take much working out who the thirteen are really, take the two names of the list, go to the town councils website & theres the list , & then you can ask them personally
Posted by: donteventhinkit, Calne on 11:26pm Tue 8 Jan 08
P Dolman says he doesnt see many flags flying on private houses well come on guys shut him up dig out your flags from world cup or whatever and hang it out your window.So what if some idiot says your being racist aparently its your right so fly your flags for whatever reason and show these 13 people what it is to be british/english.Then vote and sack the lot of em.
P Dolman says he doesnt see many flags flying on private houses well come on guys shut him up dig out your flags from world cup or whatever and hang it out your window.So what if some idiot says your being racist aparently its your right so fly your flags for whatever reason and show these 13 people what it is to be british/english.Then vote and sack the lot of em.
Posted by: SwindonNF, Swindon on 1:31am Wed 9 Jan 08
[quote][bold]me[/bold] wrote:
it does not take much working out who the thirteen are really, take the two names of the list, go to the town councils website & theres the list , & then you can ask them personally[/quote] And then when you find out who these councillors are, i ask the people of Calne to vote these people out and replace them with people who would better represent the good people of Calne.
Why keep voting for people who wont do for Calne, what the people want and ask of them? Please dont continue to kiss the boots that are kicking you!
me wrote:
it does not take much working out who the thirteen are really, take the two names of the list, go to the town councils website & theres the list , & then you can ask them personally
And then when you find out who these councillors are, i ask the people of Calne to vote these people out and replace them with people who would better represent the good people of Calne.
Why keep voting for people who wont do for Calne, what the people want and ask of them? Please dont continue to kiss the boots that are kicking you!
Posted by: Yali, Ex-Melksham on 8:40am Wed 9 Jan 08
Ooh, the toys are getting chucked out of the pram now ! Thats not a very patriotic statemenet P Dolman. What would you prefer, the Jamaican flag ??
Ooh, the toys are getting chucked out of the pram now ! Thats not a very patriotic statemenet P Dolman. What would you prefer, the Jamaican flag ??
Posted by: Don, Devizes on 10:08am Wed 9 Jan 08
[quote][bold]SwindonNF[/bold] wrote:
[quote][bold]me[/bold] wrote: it does not take much working out who the thirteen are really, take the two names of the list, go to the town councils website & theres the list , & then you can ask them personally[/quote] And then when you find out who these councillors are, i ask the people of Calne to vote these people out and replace them with people who would better represent the good people of Calne. Why keep voting for people who wont do for Calne, what the people want and ask of them? Please dont continue to kiss the boots that are kicking you![/quote] And who might those people be who would better represent teh good people of Calne, Joe? You think that hard-working, sitting Councillors should be voted out over one thing - something that seems a little muddied at best? Are we sure that the G&H haev got all the 'facts' right? There seem to be contradctory stories coming out from people who are close to events.
And, for the record, I am a bloke with a no. 1 haircut (what there is to cut ... so maybe its not much of a choice) who proudly wears the cross of St George on his shirt - even (maybe especially?) in France. But I'm also a bit of a namby-pamby liberal.
It seems that everyone here is claiming to be patriotic. It's just that we have different ways of showing it.
SwindonNF wrote:
me wrote: it does not take much working out who the thirteen are really, take the two names of the list, go to the town councils website & theres the list , & then you can ask them personally
And then when you find out who these councillors are, i ask the people of Calne to vote these people out and replace them with people who would better represent the good people of Calne. Why keep voting for people who wont do for Calne, what the people want and ask of them? Please dont continue to kiss the boots that are kicking you!
And who might those people be who would better represent teh good people of Calne, Joe? You think that hard-working, sitting Councillors should be voted out over one thing - something that seems a little muddied at best? Are we sure that the G&H haev got all the 'facts' right? There seem to be contradctory stories coming out from people who are close to events.
And, for the record, I am a bloke with a no. 1 haircut (what there is to cut ... so maybe its not much of a choice) who proudly wears the cross of St George on his shirt - even (maybe especially?) in France. But I'm also a bit of a namby-pamby liberal.
It seems that everyone here is claiming to be patriotic. It's just that we have different ways of showing it.
Posted by: P Dolman, Calne on 10:53am Wed 9 Jan 08
Surely this is a matter of personal opinion and the councillors who voted for or against this resolution have as much right to decide how they vote as individuals who stae their opinion on this web site. What concerns me is the overtly agressive stance that some contributors are taking. This country has for most of its history allowed the majority to decide what actions to take, why should we now change?
Surely this is a matter of personal opinion and the councillors who voted for or against this resolution have as much right to decide how they vote as individuals who stae their opinion on this web site. What concerns me is the overtly agressive stance that some contributors are taking. This country has for most of its history allowed the majority to decide what actions to take, why should we now change?
Posted by: spooks, calne on 11:28am Wed 9 Jan 08
[quote][bold]P Dolman[/bold] wrote:
Surely this is a matter of personal opinion and the councillors who voted for or against this resolution have as much right to decide how they vote as individuals who stae their opinion on this web site. What concerns me is the overtly agressive stance that some contributors are taking. This country has for most of its history allowed the majority to decide what actions to take, why should we now change? [/quote] shouldnt the councilours be voting for whats best for calne.?
the people of calne voted you all to do whats right for calne .even if you disagree with something and its the best move for calne it should be voted for.we didnt vote you in for your own little playground.so far there has been no good reason why that flag should not stay up but plenty of reason for.
as for voting on a whole many people cant even be bothered to vote or cant be bothered with what the party stands for .
lesson lerned i think.
as for flags on the houses my next door nighbour has the flag of st george on her house which she has done for the past two years.
www.calnetalk.com
P Dolman wrote:
Surely this is a matter of personal opinion and the councillors who voted for or against this resolution have as much right to decide how they vote as individuals who stae their opinion on this web site. What concerns me is the overtly agressive stance that some contributors are taking. This country has for most of its history allowed the majority to decide what actions to take, why should we now change?
shouldnt the councilours be voting for whats best for calne.?
the people of calne voted you all to do whats right for calne .even if you disagree with something and its the best move for calne it should be voted for.we didnt vote you in for your own little playground.so far there has been no good reason why that flag should not stay up but plenty of reason for.
as for voting on a whole many people cant even be bothered to vote or cant be bothered with what the party stands for .
lesson lerned i think.
as for flags on the houses my next door nighbour has the flag of st george on her house which she has done for the past two years.
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Posted by: Mick devonport, Calne on 7:48pm Wed 9 Jan 08
Flying the Union Flag represents an ideal opportunity to reinforce our feelings of patriotism, to signal our solidarity with our forces, wherever they serve and our respect for the town and country in which we live.
RAF Lynham is only a few miles from the centre of our town and it is here that the bodies of brave service men and women who have given their lives in the service of their country are repatriated into the loving arms of their families.
Whereas I have no doubt that Councillors hold feelings of great loyalty to our country and respect for our armed services I would have preferred that instead of suggesting that flying the flag should be reserved for “special occasions and VIP visits” those members of the Council who appear to have voted against John Irelands proposition should perhaps reflect on the thought that in the minds’ of many of the folk of Calne these brave young people and the sombre occasions that their homecomings represent are about as important as it gets.
For a counsellor to say that “the flag would lose significance if flown all the time”, is one that frankly I find astonishing. The Town Hall should be seen as the heart of Calne and as such should declare our loyalty and commitment of our people and to our country by engaging this simple gesture.
In this respect, I feel that without loosing our own identity we should take a lead from other countries where flying of their National Flag can be seen in and on government buildings, schools, colleges and on numerous companies and institutions - including Town Halls.
To follow the Councillor's view is to agree to deprive the people of Calne of the opportunity to make a statement of support and loyalty which frankly I find misguided.
Flying the Union Flag represents an ideal opportunity to reinforce our feelings of patriotism, to signal our solidarity with our forces, wherever they serve and our respect for the town and country in which we live.
RAF Lynham is only a few miles from the centre of our town and it is here that the bodies of brave service men and women who have given their lives in the service of their country are repatriated into the loving arms of their families.
Whereas I have no doubt that Councillors hold feelings of great loyalty to our country and respect for our armed services I would have preferred that instead of suggesting that flying the flag should be reserved for “special occasions and VIP visits” those members of the Council who appear to have voted against John Irelands proposition should perhaps reflect on the thought that in the minds’ of many of the folk of Calne these brave young people and the sombre occasions that their homecomings represent are about as important as it gets.
For a counsellor to say that “the flag would lose significance if flown all the time”, is one that frankly I find astonishing. The Town Hall should be seen as the heart of Calne and as such should declare our loyalty and commitment of our people and to our country by engaging this simple gesture.
In this respect, I feel that without loosing our own identity we should take a lead from other countries where flying of their National Flag can be seen in and on government buildings, schools, colleges and on numerous companies and institutions - including Town Halls.
To follow the Councillor's view is to agree to deprive the people of Calne of the opportunity to make a statement of support and loyalty which frankly I find misguided.
Posted by: spooks, calne on 10:44pm Wed 9 Jan 08
WELL SAID MICK DEVONPORT.
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WELL SAID MICK DEVONPORT.
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Posted by: SwindonNF, Swindon on 1:34am Thu 10 Jan 08
[quote][bold]P Dolman[/bold] wrote:
Surely this is a matter of personal opinion and the councillors who voted for or against this resolution have as much right to decide how they vote as individuals who stae their opinion on this web site. What concerns me is the overtly agressive stance that some contributors are taking. This country has for most of its history allowed the majority to decide what actions to take, why should we now change? [/quote] [bold]the councillors who voted for or against this resolution have as much right to decide how they vote as individuals who stae their opinion on this web site[/bold]
Are you forgetting that the councillors who voted are supposed to be representing the people who posted on this site? They did after all, ELECT them. Now the councillors are giving the people of Calne a big middle finger salute by taking this stance. I call upon the people of Calne not to vote for these councillors again.
[bold]What concerns me is the overtly agressive stance that some contributors are taking[/bold]
Thats because they want their flag back on that town hall. Whatever the councillors think about it should be irrelivent. The people of Calne want that Union Jack flying from the town hall, so why dont you give them it? Its not a HUGE request is it?
[bold]This country has for most of its history allowed the majority to decide what actions to take, why should we now change?
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Agreed Mr Dolman!
Why should we now change?
If put to a vote, i am 100% convinced that the people of Calne would vote in favour of having that Union Jack flying from the Town Hall, so why are these 8 councillors over-ruling the majority? Why are you in favour of changing things?
Are you even able to provide a single good reason as to why that flag should not be flown?
P Dolman wrote:
Surely this is a matter of personal opinion and the councillors who voted for or against this resolution have as much right to decide how they vote as individuals who stae their opinion on this web site. What concerns me is the overtly agressive stance that some contributors are taking. This country has for most of its history allowed the majority to decide what actions to take, why should we now change?
the councillors who voted for or against this resolution have as much right to decide how they vote as individuals who stae their opinion on this web site
Are you forgetting that the councillors who voted are supposed to be representing the people who posted on this site? They did after all, ELECT them. Now the councillors are giving the people of Calne a big middle finger salute by taking this stance. I call upon the people of Calne not to vote for these councillors again.
What concerns me is the overtly agressive stance that some contributors are taking
Thats because they want their flag back on that town hall. Whatever the councillors think about it should be irrelivent. The people of Calne want that Union Jack flying from the town hall, so why dont you give them it? Its not a HUGE request is it?
This country has for most of its history allowed the majority to decide what actions to take, why should we now change?
Agreed Mr Dolman!
Why should we now change?
If put to a vote, i am 100% convinced that the people of Calne would vote in favour of having that Union Jack flying from the Town Hall, so why are these 8 councillors over-ruling the majority? Why are you in favour of changing things?
Are you even able to provide a single good reason as to why that flag should not be flown?
Posted by: Wiltshireflag Man, Trowbridge on 4:34pm Thu 10 Jan 08
The Union Flag has been flying outside West Wiltshire District Council offices in Trowbridge, since last summer, and we believe it was a decision made by the leader of the council, we have not seen any objections to this, and after all, who can object to an English local authority flying the official flag of the United Kingdom
The Union Flag has been flying outside West Wiltshire District Council offices in Trowbridge, since last summer, and we believe it was a decision made by the leader of the council, we have not seen any objections to this, and after all, who can object to an English local authority flying the official flag of the United Kingdom
Posted by: P Dolman, Calne on 11:04am Fri 11 Jan 08
Dear SwindonNF I agree that there are a number of Calne residents who are for patriotic (and unfortunately other reasons)in favour of flying the flag I feel it is not a hot topic in the town dispite what others may say. I have no doubt that a vote on this subject will get a no vote, partly as the majority have no opinion at all. This is partly evidenced by the relatively small number of Calne residents taking part in this debate (I discount non residents as you would not get a vote).
While I respect messrs Davenport, Ireland & Blands opinions I think it is not the pressing subject its made out to be.
Dear SwindonNF I agree that there are a number of Calne residents who are for patriotic (and unfortunately other reasons)in favour of flying the flag I feel it is not a hot topic in the town dispite what others may say. I have no doubt that a vote on this subject will get a no vote, partly as the majority have no opinion at all. This is partly evidenced by the relatively small number of Calne residents taking part in this debate (I discount non residents as you would not get a vote).
While I respect messrs Davenport, Ireland & Blands opinions I think it is not the pressing subject its made out to be.
Posted by: Joe, Calne on 11:13am Fri 11 Jan 08
It is a small issue on the scale of things but then thats partly why it should never have come up.
It should be assumed that the flag is flown over public buildings that should be the norm not the exception.
It is a small issue on the scale of things but then thats partly why it should never have come up.
It should be assumed that the flag is flown over public buildings that should be the norm not the exception.
Posted by: SwindonNF, Swindon on 9:44pm Fri 11 Jan 08
[quote][bold]P Dolman[/bold] wrote:
Dear SwindonNF I agree that there are a number of Calne residents who are for patriotic (and unfortunately other reasons)in favour of flying the flag I feel it is not a hot topic in the town dispite what others may say. I have no doubt that a vote on this subject will get a no vote, partly as the majority have no opinion at all. This is partly evidenced by the relatively small number of Calne residents taking part in this debate (I discount non residents as you would not get a vote). While I respect messrs Davenport, Ireland & Blands opinions I think it is not the pressing subject its made out to be. [/quote] Yet you are still unable to provide a single decent reason as to why it shouldnt be flown over Calne town hall, other than "Cos The Councillors said so".
P Dolman wrote:
Dear SwindonNF I agree that there are a number of Calne residents who are for patriotic (and unfortunately other reasons)in favour of flying the flag I feel it is not a hot topic in the town dispite what others may say. I have no doubt that a vote on this subject will get a no vote, partly as
