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Chippenham mum in baby change row

4:54pm Thursday 13th November 2008

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Mum Caren Peters-Horton was shocked when staff at a pub asked her to leave after a row broke out when she changed her baby’s nappy.

Dr Peters-Horton, a research scientist and mum to 16-month-old Phoenix, was having lunch with friends in The Old Lane pub on Pewsham estate in Chippenham.

She needed to change her son’s nappy and, although the pub claimed to have changing facilities, Dr Peters-Horton disagreed and resorted to changing her son on the conservatory floor.

She was later asked to leave the pub and is upset at the way she was treated but a spokesman for the pub said: “The manager has a duty to all customers to ensure they enjoy their visit to the pub.

“On this occasion the customer chose to change their baby’s dirty nappy on the floor of the pub’s dining area, next to groups of customers eating meals, leading to two separate groups – eight people in total – making a complaint and subsequently leaving the pub before finishing their meals.

“At this time the manager politely asked the customer to change their baby in a quieter area of the pub away from people eating, or in the disabled toilets which is a large, clean space often used by parents with babies and young children.”

But Dr Peters-Horton of Queen’s Crescent said: “I wasn’t prepared to go to their changing facilities, which consisted of a disabled toilet and the only place to change him would have been on the floor.

“So I went to change him in the conservatory which was empty, I wouldn’t have done it anywhere near people eating or drinking.”

Dr Peters-Horton, of Queen’s Crescent, said she had almost finished changing him when the manager came in and asked her to use the baby changing facilities.

She added: “I understood why the manager was asking me to move out of the conservatory but I explained to her that I was not prepared to change my child on the floor of a toilet.

“I have been going to this pub for over a year now and ever since I first came I have been asking them to put in proper baby changing facilities as they say they are a child friendly establishment.”

After changing Phoenix she went back to the table with her friends and voiced her concern about the way she was treated when the manager came over a second time to ask her to leave.


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rrosco, Chippenham says...
5:42pm Thu 13 Nov 08

I wouldn't like to be in a pub where a cusotmer decided to change a nappy in a public area. She should have asked for their permission to do it somewhere else if she didn't like the facilities provided. customers in a pub or restaurant have permission to be there, not a right, and should respect management's wishes.

scubi, Chip'nam says...
5:57pm Thu 13 Nov 08

Totally agree with rrosco and the customers who complained.
I am sure if the Dr had requested it something could have been done by the manager.
This just shows total disrespect for the other customers and could have been see as a health hazard by certain people.


lp78, Devizes says...
6:35pm Thu 13 Nov 08

She said she was not prepared to use the facilities provided so how does she know she would have had to change him on the floor - which she did anyway in the conservatory! Why does she think other people in the pub want to have the smell of a dirty nappy about when they are eating. At least if she had used the facilities the smell would not interfere with anybody else.
Selfish and unhygenic! and this from a doctor!!!!

ditz, Calne says...
9:55am Fri 14 Nov 08

Most places have one of those pull down changing tables located in the toilets. Parents should go to somewhere known to be baby friendly such as Brewsters, where they know they are catered for and give them their custom instead!

lordbuckethead, chippenham says...
11:56am Fri 14 Nov 08

Dear Mrs Double-Barrel - would you mind if I did a dump next to your table while you are eating? - its just I dont like public toilets, they are really germy you know.

whenisenoughenough, Chippenham says...
11:38pm Fri 14 Nov 08

Ridiculous - if she'd been going to the pub for over a year and knew she didn't like their facilities surely she should have gone elsewhere or brought a changing mat with her just in case so baby wasn't on the floor??? - it sounds like the pub are making some effort to provide somewhere at least even if wasn't up to her exacting standards. I bet before she had children she would have protested about this type of behaviour! It's a shame that she couldn't see that this would have been very unpleasant for others.

thesoulman, Chippenham says...
10:38am Sat 15 Nov 08

I was in the pub that afternoon haing returned from a meeting and could not eat in the main lounge eating area due to this selfish woman changing her child!! I thought if you got barred from one pub in Chippenham you got barred from them all!!! The Pub has facilities and good on the staff to bar her, the Pub is a decent local facility and deserves better customers......

Ra, Chippenham says...
2:06pm Mon 17 Nov 08

Wouldn't it be great if people actually read what she wrote.

SCUBI She said "So I went to change him in the conservatory which was empty, I wouldn’t have done it anywhere near people eating or drinking"
voids your comments.

DITZ The pub likes to make markey itself that it is family friendly. They even provide baby chairs yet won't install one of those pull down changing tables. Simply opening the disabled toilet door with its baby changing facilities notice reveals that there are no changing facilities, only a toilet floor.

LORDBUCKETHEAD Clearly you have a problem with peoples names - completely irrelevant to your comments which have been shown to be completely erroneous in my response to SCUBI.

WHENISENOUGHENOUGH. The pub is making absolutely no effort to provide facilities, just an unhygienic toilet floor. You have also completely made up an opinion she would have had before having children just to give yourself something to moan about. Why not make something else up and moan about it, say, NWDC only accepting payment of council tax in euros. The sky's the limit when you make stuff up!

THESOULMAN She wasn't barred, just asked to leave.

And breeaathhh!

Jodie_Q, Calne says...
7:46pm Mon 17 Nov 08

If there are highchairs in the pub (which there are) there should be a changing table too. No parent would want to put their baby on a toilet floor to change them, even with a changing mat. It's not just a matter of the potential for germs on the floor, but also the presence of strong cleaning chemicals like bleach. Babies just don't lie there obediently when you change them (well, mine doesn't), so you can't be sure their skin isn't going to come in contact with something harmful. I think I'd do exactly what this lady did, take my baby off to an empty area and change him there. Maybe the pub/brewery should consider getting a proper drop down table? Lets face it, if they were really child friendly, they'd have one already.

ha, Chippenham says...
9:02pm Mon 17 Nov 08

I find it hard to believe that people can read something but not actually register what has been said, I do believe the mother said she didn't change her baby right next to eating customers but away from everyone in a quiet area as she clearly states in the article.

I know the pub myself and have been there before with my husband and baby, they do state on their disabled toliet that it also provides baby changing facilities, but this is not the case. The only things in this toilet are, the toilet, a sanitary bin and sink. I would refuse to change my baby on the floor of a public toilet as any other mother or father would, it's obvious health and safety and makes me question if the pub is aloud to class their disabled toilet as also baby changing without any such facilities.

I commend the Dr, us mums get fed up with all the negativity we get from nearly everything we do in public, especially if facilities are not available where stated and we are left to improvise with what we have.

jen5533, Devizes says...
3:48pm Tue 18 Nov 08

If a pub claims to be "child friendly" surely they should have basic changing facilities? I wouldn't change my child on a public toilet floor!
HOWEVER this lady said “I have been going to this pub for over a year now..." so she surely knew the facilities werent acceptable for baby changing so why return to the pub even after her suggestions of improved changing facilities? I understand her child needed changing but to change a dirty nappy in a place where food is eaten is disgusting even if there was no one eating in the area germs can still be spread.

JA1001, Chippenham says...
5:17pm Tue 18 Nov 08

This pub is my local, and it is not 'Child Friendly', it is 'Child Tollerant' since the refit last year. which is why the play area was taken away, and why there is no childrens menu. My child is out of nappies now, but having come across similar situations in the past the sensible thing would have been to go out to the car and change the baby there, something as parents we have to learn to do in lay-bys too!
I think this has been blown totally out of proportion and I dont think going to the paper was very smart..... its hardly the crime of the century is it!!

BusDriver, Calne says...
7:46pm Thu 20 Nov 08

It beats me why anyone would want to take a child into a pub anyway.

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