I would hardly say that

more than 30 people

attending a meeting out of a population of about 35,000 enough to say

We are only in a Chippenham because so many people wanted us to come and set up a branch here.

I for one do not want a branch here.

I wonder out of the 30 how many were just curious, how many were journalists and how many were anti fascists! I'd like to hope that only a handful of misguided people join this rather poor excuse of an "organisation"

I do not agree with their politics, but I support 100 percent their right to express their opinions. The NF is a legitimate UK political party, whether the PC brigade like it or not, and as such has a righ to the full protection of the law.

I'd hardly count them as a legitimate Political party. They rarely field any candidates for elections and have only ever got in unopposed! They have a trifling membership and the BNP took all their wind.

This lot are just a bunch of racist, bigotted windbags. I don't mind them existing but would not go as far as saying I support their right 100% as they don't respect rights of many others.

Just a boil on the backside of right wing politics - nothing more. Note to all 600 members: Find nearest stone > hide.

Hand me a leaflet in town and expect a hard verbal time (but you're used to that aren't you).

"At least 95,000 houses will have to be built every year until 2020 to cope with the record influx of immigrants - an increase of 30 per cent on the latest Government estimate.

The official research by the House of Commons Library is the equivalent of 260 new homes every day.

It follows an admission by Whitehall statisticians that they have badly underestimated the number of migrants pouring into the country"
And we all sit back and let it happen!!!

No, we dun't "all" sit back, just TC and idiots of the same sort. Now ol' Charlie, wot drinks with us down "Jolly Ploughman" and what went to grammer school in Chipn'am, 'ee pointed out tis those whose jobs ain't under threat wot welcomes immigrants, yer teachers an such like. Buggered if he ain't right, and all. There's a British-Polish bloke wot drinks with us, whose Dad flew Spitfires in the war, and even he says them wots comin now ain't like his Dad, they're wot 'ee calls the Polish council estate brigade.

Dear idiots, no-one here mentioned we do not have immigration issues. The National Front is not the answer however.

Simple life for you is it? All nice and black and white?

National Front?
Isn't that rhyming slang?

TC wrote:
Dear idiots, no-one here mentioned we do not have immigration issues. The National Front is not the answer however. Simple life for you is it? All nice and black and white?

This is a typical reply from a lefty. TC said The NF isnt the answer but could not provide you with a reason why we are not the answer or offer an alternative solution to the huge problem in the UK that is mass immigration.

So come on TC, provide a more detailed explanation about what YOU think the solution to this problem is.

The NF is not the answer because- anti black anti asian anti european anti gay anti by sexual anti mixed race infact what are you not anti? Your no better than the Klan go burn your crosses somewhere else because we dont want you.If my son turns up with your leaflets ill be on your doorstep giving you a bit of what you dish out lets see how you like it - VOTE BNP

SwindonNF - as much as it grieves me to direct this to you - I am not going to give you any more column inches discussing your pointless organisation. The reason you are not the answer is, for one thing, your complete insignificance in the world means you carry no sway at all - so why involve you in any political debate. Go away now, you're muddying my doorstep.

TC wrote:
SwindonNF - as much as it grieves me to direct this to you - I am not going to give you any more column inches discussing your pointless organisation. The reason you are not the answer is, for one thing, your complete insignificance in the world means you carry no sway at all - so why involve you in any political debate. Go away now, you're muddying my doorstep.

I see TC cannot answer my question and is yet to provide an alternative solution to the problem that is immigration or an acceptable explanation as to why the National Front is not the answer.
Why make a statement like that if you cannot back up what you are saying?

After realising he made a pillock of himself he just tucked his tail between his legs and ran away.

So i ask any other leftie who wants to continue this debate to please provide anyone reading this with an explanation as to why the NF is not the solution to the problem which is mass immigration and could you also provide an alternative solution.

I can tell you the current government is definately not the solution because under the current Lib/Lab/Con government in the last 3 years we have had 800'000 immigrants from Poland alone. There is now more Poles in England than there is in Warsaw, the capital of Poland. All of them are willing to work for lower pay than the British worker, thus making it harder for the British unemployed to find employment. Its also keeping wages down and lowering our quality of life.
Why import labour when we dont have 100% British employment?
Vote NF

Things are getting so bad in this area, the NF is an option. whos fault is that.

SwindonNF, I think you'll find the population of Warsaw is about 1.7m. But that's a side issue. Many people are worried about what you call 'mass immigration'. My concern with your group is that you appear to be against almost all immigration (especially) non-White and, per se, against all immigrants.

Britain has benefitted from the skills that immigrants bring for generations. They have contributed to a lot of what makes us the people we are.

Population movement is an issue but just slamming the door and telling people to go way isn't the answer. I'm not saying that I have the answers, but I don't think you do either. Your way will create divisions in our society that will do more harm than good. Perhaps our Aussie cousins have the right idea when they say "Australia - love it or leave it."

I am confused here, SwindonNF is calling posters who are anti National Front lefties, yet people from the BNP are posting against NF. Will the BNP really be happy at being called lefties?!
I agree with TC, we do have an immigration problem, but NF is not the answer. I don't know what the answer is, but when I do I shall stand for election lol

Don wrote:
SwindonNF, I think you'll find the population of Warsaw is about 1.7m. But that's a side issue. Many people are worried about what you call 'mass immigration'. My concern with your group is that you appear to be against almost all immigration (especially) non-White and, per se, against all immigrants. Britain has benefitted from the skills that immigrants bring for generations. They have contributed to a lot of what makes us the people we are. Population movement is an issue but just slamming the door and telling people to go way isn't the answer. I'm not saying that I have the answers, but I don't think you do either. Your way will create divisions in our society that will do more harm than good. Perhaps our Aussie cousins have the right idea when they say "Australia - love it or leave it."

I am against all immigration for good reason, we do not have 100% employment in this country. We can train British people up to the same skill level as anybody that can be imported, so why do the current government insist on accepting another single immigrant? Are we being fair to developing countries by taking their skilled workforce?

My personal opinion and not an official party response is to why they are imported is to keep the salary bill down. Firstly current MPs are buisness owners or in some way "Employers". A highly skilled 3rd world immigrant will work for less money than a highly skilled British worker.
I also think that these politicians dont see us, the White working class as human. They see us as cows. Through their eyes if we go to work everyday (graze) and produce plenty of tax revenue (milk) then we will be treated good by the farmer (government). If stray cows of a different breed wander into their barn (britain), regardless of them having a different nature and temprament to his own cows, well all the better to the farmer as they still produce milk. But when the barn gets overcrowded and one of the cows who has a rightful place in that barn starts making noise about the overcrowding and tries keeping the stary cows out, then the farmer takes that cow to be slaughtered (branded racist)

Why do you think the government in question as well as the media give us little media coverage and when they do its always in a negative light?

Its suppression at its finest. matters are never genuinely debated today, because the only thing you ever see in the major media is the politically-correct current government viewpoint. The 'other side' is never allowed to make its case, ie, THE NF ARE SUPPRESSED. And you sure as hell can't have a debate about immigration if one of the sides is never allowed to speak. So here is one-sentence proof that the NF have the correct viewpoint.

THERE IS NO OTHER REASON TO SUPPRESS A VIEWPOINT UNLESS IT IS TRUE, because a false viewpoint can easily be combatted with facts, truth and logic, while truth cannot be combatted except by lies which are vulnerable to being exposed.

Or to put it another way, the view of the NF HAS to be suppressed, because if it weren't, MOST PEOPLE WOULD JOIN THE NF.

And on the side issue, i got the number of Poles in Britain wrong. The figure i heard was some time ago and has risen dramatically since. according to the Office of National Statistics on April 26th 2006 2 MILLION polish are residing in the UK. Considerably higher than the population of Warsaw.

Tracey wrote:
I am confused here, SwindonNF is calling posters who are anti National Front lefties, yet people from the BNP are posting against NF. Will the BNP really be happy at being called lefties?! I agree with TC, we do have an immigration problem, but NF is not the answer. I don't know what the answer is, but when I do I shall stand for election lol

The BNP are further left than us. They have scrapped their policy on forced repatriation and have turned into the old Tory party with their "Tough On Immigration" policies. If they are not happy at me calling them lefties then i simply dont care.
So you acknowledge that we have a problem with immigration but unless you can come up with a solution the NF is the ONLY solution. If you are happy to do nothing about this problem that is personal choice, but here is a quote i once heard in church and is in relation to what you just said:

"All that is necessary for evil to triumph is that good people do nothing"

I beg of you to think about that quote Tracey.

donteventhinkit wrote:
The NF is not the answer because- anti black anti asian anti european anti gay anti by sexual anti mixed race infact what are you not anti? Your no better than the Klan go burn your crosses somewhere else because we dont want you.If my son turns up with your leaflets ill be on your doorstep giving you a bit of what you dish out lets see how you like it - VOTE BNP

i noticed that you also convieniently left out that the NF is Anti-Rapist, Anti Drug Dealer and Anti-pedophile. A smear campaign from the BNP, eh? Is this the kettle calling the pan "Black"?(no pun intended) and are you saying the BNP are PRO black, PRO asian, PRO E.U, PRO Homosexual, PRO Bisexual and PRO Mixed Race?
Get a life you pillock.

Can we starve this troll now please.

Ah, back again TC. Perhaps now you can tell everyone what you think is an alternative solution to immigration.
Thats some telling off i am sure you would give me if i handed you a leaflet in Chippenham.

I think TC's idea of the solution to mass immigration would be to do nothing. Be "sheeple". "I dont think mass immigration is a good idea, BAA".
He thinks you should keep the same idiots in government that CREATED this problem. The same government that took us to war in Iraq. The same type of government that, granted with different individuals, who only realised that London needed a sewer when the stench from The Thames wafted in through the House Of Commons windows!

A vote for LibLabCon is a vote for mass immigration.
Vote NF

Come on TC give us your response. Without supporting the NF, other than the usual lefty bleats, you haven't addressed any of SwindonNF's points??

who dat? wrote:
"At least 95,000 houses will have to be built every year until 2020 to cope with the record influx of immigrants - an increase of 30 per cent on the latest Government estimate. The official research by the House of Commons Library is the equivalent of 260 new homes every day. It follows an admission by Whitehall statisticians that they have badly underestimated the number of migrants pouring into the country" And we all sit back and let it happen!!!

well said, i think all immigration should be stopped until this country has sorted itself out first!!It seems British people are becoming foreigners in there own country!(and by British i mean anyone born here regardless of colour)

You think mass immigration is a big problem now, just you wait until Turkey come into the EU. They will flood us with an even bigger tidal wave of cheap labour and the current British government are all for Turkey coming in.
As it stands now, before they have been granted EU membership, Germany have been plagued with 3 million Turkish immigrants.

Vote NF

SwindonNF - please don't start quoting the Bible to me. Do you have proof that Jesus wasn't black? Have you forgotten that we were told to 'love thy neighbour' we weren't told to love thy neighbour only if he is a white, british, hetrosexual.

Tracey where did i ever try and claim the ethnicity of Jesus Christ? Please quote me on it. I havent forgotten that i was told to "love thy neighbour". I was never told to "love thy squatter" or "love thy unwanted guest" though.

Religion aside and back onto the main point of Mass Immigration, the lefties have offered no alternative solution to this problem yet keep saying the NF is not the solution. Does this sound to anyone else like "THE ANSWER TO 5+5 IS NOT 10"?

SwindonNF, the problem with immigration is a big one. However, families that settled here generations ago cannot simply be told to get out. Their families have lived here for generations! What about people who settled here, married a british person and went on to have families? Would you split the family up or ship them all out? To me the ideal of NF just raises huge concerns about discrimination. Like I said under the NF we would all be white, british, straight! This is not possible! I raised the subject of the ethnicity of Jesus Christ because you were using quotes from the Bible to support your claims.
You talk about the problem to the solution as if it is a straight forward black and white question, I guess to you it is, but fortunately for the rest of us it is not!
How would the NF police this ideal of yours then? Would you bring in compulsory ancestry checks to ensure there wasn't any 'foreign' blood in the family further back down the line? Have you checked back on your own ancestry for that matter - I mean, could you not have descended from an immigrant somewhere back down the line?

Immigrants that have already settled here legally are here to stay, whether you or I like it or not. There does need to be a change in policy. Maybe people who wish to settle here should have to go through a pprocedure similar to that which Australia use, whereby you have to prove you can afford to be self sufficient and that you have a trade which is useful to the country.

Tracey wrote:
SwindonNF, the problem with immigration is a big one. However, families that settled here generations ago cannot simply be told to get out. Their families have lived here for generations! What about people who settled here, married a british person and went on to have families? Would you split the family up or ship them all out? To me the ideal of NF just raises huge concerns about discrimination. Like I said under the NF we would all be white, british, straight! This is not possible! I raised the subject of the ethnicity of Jesus Christ because you were using quotes from the Bible to support your claims. You talk about the problem to the solution as if it is a straight forward black and white question, I guess to you it is, but fortunately for the rest of us it is not! How would the NF police this ideal of yours then? Would you bring in compulsory ancestry checks to ensure there wasn't any 'foreign' blood in the family further back down the line? Have you checked back on your own ancestry for that matter - I mean, could you not have descended from an immigrant somewhere back down the line? Immigrants that have already settled here legally are here to stay, whether you or I like it or not. There does need to be a change in policy. Maybe people who wish to settle here should have to go through a pprocedure similar to that which Australia use, whereby you have to prove you can afford to be self sufficient and that you have a trade which is useful to the country.

The families that have lived here for generations where put here without the permission of the indiginous British people. If there had ever a referendum on this, do you think the British people would have voted in favour of these immigrants who where just going to be a massive burden upon resources and the taxpayer (i hope you ask me how they are a massive burden) coming here?

Tracey wrote:
SwindonNF, the problem with immigration is a big one. However, families that settled here generations ago cannot simply be told to get out. Their families have lived here for generations! What about people who settled here, married a british person and went on to have families? Would you split the family up or ship them all out? To me the ideal of NF just raises huge concerns about discrimination. Like I said under the NF we would all be white, british, straight! This is not possible! I raised the subject of the ethnicity of Jesus Christ because you were using quotes from the Bible to support your claims. You talk about the problem to the solution as if it is a straight forward black and white question, I guess to you it is, but fortunately for the rest of us it is not! How would the NF police this ideal of yours then? Would you bring in compulsory ancestry checks to ensure there wasn't any 'foreign' blood in the family further back down the line? Have you checked back on your own ancestry for that matter - I mean, could you not have descended from an immigrant somewhere back down the line? Immigrants that have already settled here legally are here to stay, whether you or I like it or not. There does need to be a change in policy. Maybe people who wish to settle here should have to go through a pprocedure similar to that which Australia use, whereby you have to prove you can afford to be self sufficient and that you have a trade which is useful to the country.

How would we deal with people who married a British person and went on to have families? Well if their British spouse truly loved them and didnt just marry them so their spouse could obtain British citizenship then i dont see why they would have a problem taking their families to the homeland of their spouse.
How would the NF police these ideals. (Why dont you just look under our webpage, it would save a lot of space on this comment section) You can usually see in the persons charachteristics or hear in someones accent if they are not white British.

And when you are saying there doesnt need to be a policy change, i think most would disagree. We simply do not have the room to let immigrants flood into our country on the scale they have been. We are only a tiny island you know.

NF- I didn't say there doesn't need to be a policy change, I said there does need to be a policy change, read through my post again!

You say in your second post that you can tell in someones characteristics and accent whether they are a white British - does that go for their command of the English language too? I think in your first post you meant to write 'were' as opposed to 'where' - did you check whether you were related to any immigrants further back down the line??!!

Incidently, walk through London, you will find many a white lad who talks the 'black' language - this doesn't make him an immigrant!

Tracey wrote:
Incidently, walk through London, you will find many a white lad who talks the 'black' language - this doesn't make him an immigrant!

No but it does make him sound like a tw*t.

lol i agree with you tyler, but can you see the point I am trying to make? SwindonNF said a persons accent show us whether they are white british, I was just trying to make a point!

Tracey wrote:
NF- I didn't say there doesn't need to be a policy change, I said there does need to be a policy change, read through my post again! You say in your second post that you can tell in someones characteristics and accent whether they are a white British - does that go for their command of the English language too? I think in your first post you meant to write 'were' as opposed to 'where' - did you check whether you were related to any immigrants further back down the line??!!

Ok, i apologise for misreading that (the perils of speed reading eh?) and apologise for the spelling mistake (the perils of speed typing, eh?) I can assure you that all of my ancestors have been here since we where last invaded in 1066. Not that i see how this is relevent to the current issue of mass immigration.

And i think you know what i meant by Accents. I was talking about European dialects, again, not that this is relevant to the current issue of mass immigration.

Want further info about our party you can find it all on our webpage at www .natfront.com

Apology accepted, I was being a bit pedantic but just trying to make a point - where would you draw the line?!!

Sorry SwindonNF but you won't get my vote - I grew up in a town with a strong presence of NF supporters back in the 80s and can remember all the problems that were caused. Whilst there are some aspects I agree with you on in principle, such as the fact that we are now a sitting target for immigrants, I don't agree with other aspects. I havee to say, I don't agree with our current government either so I have been curious about what other parties have to offer. To be honest, in na ideal world a new party would form with all the best bits of each party and we could all live in peace and harmony! lol I'm dreaming again!!

I would like to thank Tracey for putting accross an alternative viewpoint to my own on this topic and making this discussion two-sided and interesting.

Thank-you SwindonNF, I enjoyed it too.