Crime element of council tax increased

Police and Crime Commissioner for Wiltshire and Swindon Angus Macpherson

Police and Crime Commissioner for Wiltshire and Swindon Angus Macpherson

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POLICE and Crime Commissioner (PCC) for Wiltshire and Swindon Angus Macpherson has today set the police and crime element of council tax for 2014-15.

The Commissioner gave his proposal of an increase of £3.15 a year for the average band D property to the Police and Crime Panel. This increase is to help reduce the impact of central government grant reductions on policing and crime services in the area. The panel agreed with this proposal.

This increase of £3.15 a year and means the rate for the police and crime element of council tax for an average band D property will be £160.92 for 2014-15. For the past three years the rate has remained the same at £157.77 for a band D property.

The Commissioner said: “I am pleased the panel has supported my proposal for this modest increase in the police and crime element of council tax. The rate for policing and crime services in our area has not increased for the past three years and it will still be the lowest in the south west. As some of the panel members said at the meeting, this is a small increase now to protect the police service and other services I can commission in the long term.

“Ensuring value for money for residents while maintaining high quality services is very important to me. That is why we are embracing new ways of working across the public sector, working more closely with other south west police forces and developing a strategic partnership with Wiltshire Council. As public sector budgets continue to be cut, the aim is to work more effectively together to both improve customer service and reduce costs.”

Based on current figures from central government, there will be a £3 million or 4.5 per cent reduction in central funding in the 2014-15 financial year, compared to the 2013-14 financial year.

An average increase of £3.15 per household will provide the Commissioner with an additional £740,000 of local income for 2014-15 to help reduce this funding gap.

Looking ahead three years to 2016-17, a proposed increase of £3.15 a year in each of the next three years would reduce the potential funding shortfall by £2.3 million, meaning that savings of £12.5 million would be required rather than £14.8 million. Since the start of the austerity period, savings of more than £10 million have already been made.

Mr Macpherson ran a consultation on the police and crime element of council tax from January 6 to February 3. This included information and a feedback form on the PCC’s website, the PCC and members of his team giving presentations at Wiltshire Area Boards and Swindon Locality meetings as well as parish/town councils and the business community being informed.

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2:51pm Thu 6 Feb 14

Always Grumpy says...

Well, that's a crime expecting us to pay more for an ever reducing service.
Well, that's a crime expecting us to pay more for an ever reducing service. Always Grumpy
  • Score: 16

3:29pm Thu 6 Feb 14

Mrs Donnyfly says...

I never realised we were customers of the Police service.
I never realised we were customers of the Police service. Mrs Donnyfly
  • Score: 12

3:59pm Thu 6 Feb 14

ChannelX says...

So, we're being forced to pay more money for the police to arrest people only to have the courts allow those convicted to walk free from court?

That's value for money.
So, we're being forced to pay more money for the police to arrest people only to have the courts allow those convicted to walk free from court? That's value for money. ChannelX
  • Score: 13

4:08pm Thu 6 Feb 14

The Real Librarian says...

QUOTE
Mr Macpherson ran a consultation on the police and crime element of council tax from January 6 to February 3. This included information and a feedback form on the PCC’s website, the PCC and members of his team giving presentations at Wiltshire Area Boards and Swindon Locality meetings as well as parish/town councils and the business community being informed.
UNQUOTE

Come on Adver - do some proper journalism for once! What was the result? Did his proposal have support or not.

I know I was against it and said why. Was I the only one?
QUOTE Mr Macpherson ran a consultation on the police and crime element of council tax from January 6 to February 3. This included information and a feedback form on the PCC’s website, the PCC and members of his team giving presentations at Wiltshire Area Boards and Swindon Locality meetings as well as parish/town councils and the business community being informed. UNQUOTE Come on Adver - do some proper journalism for once! What was the result? Did his proposal have support or not. I know I was against it and said why. Was I the only one? The Real Librarian
  • Score: 8

4:13pm Thu 6 Feb 14

The Real Librarian says...

ChannelX wrote:
So, we're being forced to pay more money for the police to arrest people only to have the courts allow those convicted to walk free from court? That's value for money.
If only they did arrest people.

I was assaulted in the street by a random nutter in the middle of last year.

The police have made strenuous efforts ever since to avoid this being recorded as a crime or actually having to do anything about it.

At the moment the yob who attacked me without provocation is walking round Swindon, free as a bird and without a stain on his character. He can do it again any time he likes.
[quote][p][bold]ChannelX[/bold] wrote: So, we're being forced to pay more money for the police to arrest people only to have the courts allow those convicted to walk free from court? That's value for money.[/p][/quote]If only they did arrest people. I was assaulted in the street by a random nutter in the middle of last year. The police have made strenuous efforts ever since to avoid this being recorded as a crime or actually having to do anything about it. At the moment the yob who attacked me without provocation is walking round Swindon, free as a bird and without a stain on his character. He can do it again any time he likes. The Real Librarian
  • Score: 9

4:14pm Thu 6 Feb 14

The Real Librarian says...

Mrs Donnyfly wrote:
I never realised we were customers of the Police service.
I usually feel more like a victim.
[quote][p][bold]Mrs Donnyfly[/bold] wrote: I never realised we were customers of the Police service.[/p][/quote]I usually feel more like a victim. The Real Librarian
  • Score: 9

5:49pm Thu 6 Feb 14

LordAshOfTheBrake says...

The consultation was a joke. There were no checks to ensure that individuals could only make one set of representations, no checks to make sure the individuals were in the catchment area. By the time all the police officers, their families and all others with a vested interest in raising more money had filled it it, I suspect there would be little point in the rest of us bothering.

For the record I did fill it in.

As already said, how about we hear what the actual results of the consultation.

The police could be a lot more efficient if the rest of the criminal justice system put those who should be in jail in jail rather than constantly letting them off to re-offend and consume more police time.
The consultation was a joke. There were no checks to ensure that individuals could only make one set of representations, no checks to make sure the individuals were in the catchment area. By the time all the police officers, their families and all others with a vested interest in raising more money had filled it it, I suspect there would be little point in the rest of us bothering. For the record I did fill it in. As already said, how about we hear what the actual results of the consultation. The police could be a lot more efficient if the rest of the criminal justice system put those who should be in jail in jail rather than constantly letting them off to re-offend and consume more police time. LordAshOfTheBrake
  • Score: 9

5:52pm Thu 6 Feb 14

ChannelX says...

The Real Librarian wrote:
ChannelX wrote:
So, we're being forced to pay more money for the police to arrest people only to have the courts allow those convicted to walk free from court? That's value for money.
If only they did arrest people.

I was assaulted in the street by a random nutter in the middle of last year.

The police have made strenuous efforts ever since to avoid this being recorded as a crime or actually having to do anything about it.

At the moment the yob who attacked me without provocation is walking round Swindon, free as a bird and without a stain on his character. He can do it again any time he likes.
Probably because the police know him, know he's done it before, know he'll do it again and know the judiciary will allow him to walk free from court even if they do manage to get him there.

Despite us being forced to pay (even more) for the police, they cannot be relied upon to deal with crime and criminals. The courts, even less so.
[quote][p][bold]The Real Librarian[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ChannelX[/bold] wrote: So, we're being forced to pay more money for the police to arrest people only to have the courts allow those convicted to walk free from court? That's value for money.[/p][/quote]If only they did arrest people. I was assaulted in the street by a random nutter in the middle of last year. The police have made strenuous efforts ever since to avoid this being recorded as a crime or actually having to do anything about it. At the moment the yob who attacked me without provocation is walking round Swindon, free as a bird and without a stain on his character. He can do it again any time he likes.[/p][/quote]Probably because the police know him, know he's done it before, know he'll do it again and know the judiciary will allow him to walk free from court even if they do manage to get him there. Despite us being forced to pay (even more) for the police, they cannot be relied upon to deal with crime and criminals. The courts, even less so. ChannelX
  • Score: 0

6:18pm Thu 6 Feb 14

devilstail says...

What? Wiltshire has a Police Service :O
What? Wiltshire has a Police Service :O devilstail
  • Score: 0

6:42pm Thu 6 Feb 14

Tohellinahandcart says...

The Real Librarian wrote
"He can do it again any time he likes."
Are you impling that you are looking forward to a further assault because that sounds like you are consenting to the act!
The Real Librarian wrote "He can do it again any time he likes." Are you impling that you are looking forward to a further assault because that sounds like you are consenting to the act! Tohellinahandcart
  • Score: -8

7:34pm Thu 6 Feb 14

Room101 says...

Can someone please tell me what a police person now looks like. All i see are PCSO's walking round. So what is all this extra money going on. If it is to cover a sort fall may be looking to cut waste.
Can someone please tell me what a police person now looks like. All i see are PCSO's walking round. So what is all this extra money going on. If it is to cover a sort fall may be looking to cut waste. Room101
  • Score: 1

12:01am Fri 7 Feb 14

Robh says...

The idea of the government cap is to control spending not recover some of the shortfall in council tax.
The idea of the government cap is to control spending not recover some of the shortfall in council tax. Robh
  • Score: 0

12:11am Fri 7 Feb 14

sliemaroo says...

The Real Librarian wrote:
ChannelX wrote:
So, we're being forced to pay more money for the police to arrest people only to have the courts allow those convicted to walk free from court? That's value for money.
If only they did arrest people.

I was assaulted in the street by a random nutter in the middle of last year.

The police have made strenuous efforts ever since to avoid this being recorded as a crime or actually having to do anything about it.

At the moment the yob who attacked me without provocation is walking round Swindon, free as a bird and without a stain on his character. He can do it again any time he likes.
As soon as a crime is reported it is recorded as a crime. If you or any witnesses knew the name of your attacker and were prepared to give a statement, then the offender would have been arrested. Police can only arrest someone if the suspect can be identified.
[quote][p][bold]The Real Librarian[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ChannelX[/bold] wrote: So, we're being forced to pay more money for the police to arrest people only to have the courts allow those convicted to walk free from court? That's value for money.[/p][/quote]If only they did arrest people. I was assaulted in the street by a random nutter in the middle of last year. The police have made strenuous efforts ever since to avoid this being recorded as a crime or actually having to do anything about it. At the moment the yob who attacked me without provocation is walking round Swindon, free as a bird and without a stain on his character. He can do it again any time he likes.[/p][/quote]As soon as a crime is reported it is recorded as a crime. If you or any witnesses knew the name of your attacker and were prepared to give a statement, then the offender would have been arrested. Police can only arrest someone if the suspect can be identified. sliemaroo
  • Score: 0

12:13am Fri 7 Feb 14

sliemaroo says...

Room101 wrote:
Can someone please tell me what a police person now looks like. All i see are PCSO's walking round. So what is all this extra money going on. If it is to cover a sort fall may be looking to cut waste.
Er, a PCSO is a "police person" and their role to be a visible police presence in the community.
[quote][p][bold]Room101[/bold] wrote: Can someone please tell me what a police person now looks like. All i see are PCSO's walking round. So what is all this extra money going on. If it is to cover a sort fall may be looking to cut waste.[/p][/quote]Er, a PCSO is a "police person" and their role to be a visible police presence in the community. sliemaroo
  • Score: -2

1:32am Fri 7 Feb 14

beetawix says...

Mrs Donnyfly wrote:
I never realised we were customers of the Police service.
They are planning to open snack shops at police stations.in order to raise a few shillings. Jam sandwiches are expected to be popular as is the eagerly anticipated truncheon meat butty
[quote][p][bold]Mrs Donnyfly[/bold] wrote: I never realised we were customers of the Police service.[/p][/quote]They are planning to open snack shops at police stations.in order to raise a few shillings. Jam sandwiches are expected to be popular as is the eagerly anticipated truncheon meat butty beetawix
  • Score: 0

1:35am Fri 7 Feb 14

beetawix says...

Crime element of council tax increased

the whole tax is a crime !
Crime element of council tax increased the whole tax is a crime ! beetawix
  • Score: 1

1:41am Fri 7 Feb 14

BeardyBill says...

So we have to pay more for the cops, yet they don't investigate the WiFi scam?
So we have to pay more for the cops, yet they don't investigate the WiFi scam? BeardyBill
  • Score: 1

8:16am Fri 7 Feb 14

ChannelX says...

sliemaroo wrote:
Room101 wrote:
Can someone please tell me what a police person now looks like. All i see are PCSO's walking round. So what is all this extra money going on. If it is to cover a sort fall may be looking to cut waste.
Er, a PCSO is a "police person" and their role to be a visible police presence in the community.
They can't even arrest anyone!
[quote][p][bold]sliemaroo[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Room101[/bold] wrote: Can someone please tell me what a police person now looks like. All i see are PCSO's walking round. So what is all this extra money going on. If it is to cover a sort fall may be looking to cut waste.[/p][/quote]Er, a PCSO is a "police person" and their role to be a visible police presence in the community.[/p][/quote]They can't even arrest anyone! ChannelX
  • Score: 2

9:45am Fri 7 Feb 14

sliemaroo says...

ChannelX wrote:
sliemaroo wrote:
Room101 wrote:
Can someone please tell me what a police person now looks like. All i see are PCSO's walking round. So what is all this extra money going on. If it is to cover a sort fall may be looking to cut waste.
Er, a PCSO is a "police person" and their role to be a visible police presence in the community.
They can't even arrest anyone!
And your point is? Arresting someone is not the be all and end all of policing. It is the last resort. Prevention is far more effective.
[quote][p][bold]ChannelX[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]sliemaroo[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Room101[/bold] wrote: Can someone please tell me what a police person now looks like. All i see are PCSO's walking round. So what is all this extra money going on. If it is to cover a sort fall may be looking to cut waste.[/p][/quote]Er, a PCSO is a "police person" and their role to be a visible police presence in the community.[/p][/quote]They can't even arrest anyone![/p][/quote]And your point is? Arresting someone is not the be all and end all of policing. It is the last resort. Prevention is far more effective. sliemaroo
  • Score: 0

12:37pm Fri 7 Feb 14

ChannelX says...

sliemaroo wrote:
ChannelX wrote:
sliemaroo wrote:
Room101 wrote:
Can someone please tell me what a police person now looks like. All i see are PCSO's walking round. So what is all this extra money going on. If it is to cover a sort fall may be looking to cut waste.
Er, a PCSO is a "police person" and their role to be a visible police presence in the community.
They can't even arrest anyone!
And your point is? Arresting someone is not the be all and end all of policing. It is the last resort. Prevention is far more effective.
You think PCSO's prevent crime? How?
[quote][p][bold]sliemaroo[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ChannelX[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]sliemaroo[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Room101[/bold] wrote: Can someone please tell me what a police person now looks like. All i see are PCSO's walking round. So what is all this extra money going on. If it is to cover a sort fall may be looking to cut waste.[/p][/quote]Er, a PCSO is a "police person" and their role to be a visible police presence in the community.[/p][/quote]They can't even arrest anyone![/p][/quote]And your point is? Arresting someone is not the be all and end all of policing. It is the last resort. Prevention is far more effective.[/p][/quote]You think PCSO's prevent crime? How? ChannelX
  • Score: 1

7:50pm Fri 7 Feb 14

Room101 says...

What is this money going on? as just read on BBC Wiltshire, Wiltshire Police to lose more than 170 officers PCSO's are a visible presence but it is policing on the cheap.
What is this money going on? as just read on BBC Wiltshire, Wiltshire Police to lose more than 170 officers PCSO's are a visible presence but it is policing on the cheap. Room101
  • Score: 1

9:44pm Fri 7 Feb 14

LordAshOfTheBrake says...

sliemaroo wrote:
The Real Librarian wrote:
ChannelX wrote:
So, we're being forced to pay more money for the police to arrest people only to have the courts allow those convicted to walk free from court? That's value for money.
If only they did arrest people.

I was assaulted in the street by a random nutter in the middle of last year.

The police have made strenuous efforts ever since to avoid this being recorded as a crime or actually having to do anything about it.

At the moment the yob who attacked me without provocation is walking round Swindon, free as a bird and without a stain on his character. He can do it again any time he likes.
As soon as a crime is reported it is recorded as a crime. If you or any witnesses knew the name of your attacker and were prepared to give a statement, then the offender would have been arrested. Police can only arrest someone if the suspect can be identified.
Unfortunately this bit is wrong..... "As soon as a crime is reported it is recorded as a crime."

The initial report is logged as an incident. Later on it is decided whether it is a crime for recording or not, and if so the nature of the crime.

Hence the well documented examples of fiddling the crime numbers in various forces.
[quote][p][bold]sliemaroo[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The Real Librarian[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ChannelX[/bold] wrote: So, we're being forced to pay more money for the police to arrest people only to have the courts allow those convicted to walk free from court? That's value for money.[/p][/quote]If only they did arrest people. I was assaulted in the street by a random nutter in the middle of last year. The police have made strenuous efforts ever since to avoid this being recorded as a crime or actually having to do anything about it. At the moment the yob who attacked me without provocation is walking round Swindon, free as a bird and without a stain on his character. He can do it again any time he likes.[/p][/quote]As soon as a crime is reported it is recorded as a crime. If you or any witnesses knew the name of your attacker and were prepared to give a statement, then the offender would have been arrested. Police can only arrest someone if the suspect can be identified.[/p][/quote]Unfortunately this bit is wrong..... "As soon as a crime is reported it is recorded as a crime." The initial report is logged as an incident. Later on it is decided whether it is a crime for recording or not, and if so the nature of the crime. Hence the well documented examples of fiddling the crime numbers in various forces. LordAshOfTheBrake
  • Score: 1

8:34am Sat 8 Feb 14

sliemaroo says...

Room101 wrote:
What is this money going on? as just read on BBC Wiltshire, Wiltshire Police to lose more than 170 officers PCSO's are a visible presence but it is policing on the cheap.
PCSO's earn £3k more than a newly recruited Police Officer.
[quote][p][bold]Room101[/bold] wrote: What is this money going on? as just read on BBC Wiltshire, Wiltshire Police to lose more than 170 officers PCSO's are a visible presence but it is policing on the cheap.[/p][/quote]PCSO's earn £3k more than a newly recruited Police Officer. sliemaroo
  • Score: -1

11:42am Sat 8 Feb 14

Room101 says...

sliemaroo wrote:
Room101 wrote:
What is this money going on? as just read on BBC Wiltshire, Wiltshire Police to lose more than 170 officers PCSO's are a visible presence but it is policing on the cheap.
PCSO's earn £3k more than a newly recruited Police Officer.
How much do they earn against a qualified Police Officer. As these are the one's that are going to loose their jobs, no new recruits.
[quote][p][bold]sliemaroo[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Room101[/bold] wrote: What is this money going on? as just read on BBC Wiltshire, Wiltshire Police to lose more than 170 officers PCSO's are a visible presence but it is policing on the cheap.[/p][/quote]PCSO's earn £3k more than a newly recruited Police Officer.[/p][/quote]How much do they earn against a qualified Police Officer. As these are the one's that are going to loose their jobs, no new recruits. Room101
  • Score: 1

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