Go-ahead given for cinema on derelict Bowyers site in Trowbridge

The derelict Bowyers site will now be home to a multiplex cinema

Flashback to the 2012 protest march that saw supporters come out in force in favour of the Prorsus scheme

First published in News by

The battle to build a second new cinema in Trowbridge has been won after the Planning Inspectorate announced today it has approved proposals to build a multiplex on the former Bowyers factory.

Planning inspector David Nicholson has overturned Wiltshire Council’s decision, made in June 2012, to reject plans for an eight-screen Cineworld, a Morrisons store, six restaurants and a pub to be built on the derelict site – in a project worth £46m.

At the start of January, a three-day hearing took place at Trowbridge Civic Centre with developer Prorsus arguing the case for allowing the project to go ahead.

Wiltshire Council and Legal & General, which opened the £17m St Stephens Place Leisure Park in November, made submissions to Mr Nicholson to reject the appeal.

Both believe that the Bowyers plans would have a detrimental effect on the seven-screen Odeon cinema, which opened in October at St Stephens Place, potentially forcing it to close.

When Wiltshire Council rejected plans for the Bowyers scheme, in 2012, around 400 supporters of the Bowers regeneration scheme marched through Trowbridge, from the site to County Hall, in protest at the decision.

In February 2013, Prorsus saw plans for a ‘reserve’ application – which substituted the cinema for an unspecified leisure facility and added a petrol station – accepted by Wiltshire Council. The developer then continued fighting its appeal into the original plans.

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2:12pm Tue 28 Jan 14

trow paint says...

That's the cat amongst the pigions
That's the cat amongst the pigions trow paint
  • Score: 13

2:17pm Tue 28 Jan 14

trow paint says...

Can I have a refund on my Odeon Premiere club card
Can I have a refund on my Odeon Premiere club card trow paint
  • Score: 24

2:20pm Tue 28 Jan 14

D@ve says...

Fantastic news for the town, we finally get the cinema of choice and the proposal the town really wanted.

Wiltshire Council and the planning committee - For those that tried to block this for reasons that couldn't stand, hang your head in shame.

To the councillors who worked hard and supported your local people - Thank you.
Fantastic news for the town, we finally get the cinema of choice and the proposal the town really wanted. Wiltshire Council and the planning committee - For those that tried to block this for reasons that couldn't stand, hang your head in shame. To the councillors who worked hard and supported your local people - Thank you. D@ve
  • Score: 37

2:29pm Tue 28 Jan 14

trow paint says...

Just waiting for the sour grapes .. from guess who
Just waiting for the sour grapes .. from guess who trow paint
  • Score: 20

2:38pm Tue 28 Jan 14

BathBadger says...

Fantastic news. Whatever your views, it's great that an eyesore it going to get developed and hopefully encourage further growth and regeneration in the town.
Fantastic news. Whatever your views, it's great that an eyesore it going to get developed and hopefully encourage further growth and regeneration in the town. BathBadger
  • Score: 43

3:05pm Tue 28 Jan 14

ellliotluke says...

Now with both complexes watch Trowbridge really take off, this will show that the area has a viable future and will entice the bigger companies to invest in the town.
Now with both complexes watch Trowbridge really take off, this will show that the area has a viable future and will entice the bigger companies to invest in the town. ellliotluke
  • Score: 32

3:54pm Tue 28 Jan 14

dreams of grandeur says...

No logic to this at all. Yes, it will be nice to have that eyesore torn down but we already have a cinema, hardly six months old. With this news one of the complexes WILL fail, Trowbridge just aint big enough for the both of them.
No logic to this at all. Yes, it will be nice to have that eyesore torn down but we already have a cinema, hardly six months old. With this news one of the complexes WILL fail, Trowbridge just aint big enough for the both of them. dreams of grandeur
  • Score: -16

4:27pm Tue 28 Jan 14

garybillington says...

dreams of grandeur wrote:
No logic to this at all. Yes, it will be nice to have that eyesore torn down but we already have a cinema, hardly six months old. With this news one of the complexes WILL fail, Trowbridge just aint big enough for the both of them.
For what it's worth, I agree. Trowbridge is a small town, it's yet to be seen whether it can support ONE multiplex cinema in the longer term, let alone having two competing for customers in a fairly small catchment area.

As much as I'm glad something is being done with the Bowyers site, I can't help but think this is the wrong decision.
[quote][p][bold]dreams of grandeur[/bold] wrote: No logic to this at all. Yes, it will be nice to have that eyesore torn down but we already have a cinema, hardly six months old. With this news one of the complexes WILL fail, Trowbridge just aint big enough for the both of them.[/p][/quote]For what it's worth, I agree. Trowbridge is a small town, it's yet to be seen whether it can support ONE multiplex cinema in the longer term, let alone having two competing for customers in a fairly small catchment area. As much as I'm glad something is being done with the Bowyers site, I can't help but think this is the wrong decision. garybillington
  • Score: -6

4:31pm Tue 28 Jan 14

the optimist says...

Congratulations to Prorsus for staying the course.

The original decision appeared to be politically led and I hope all those responsible for taking part in such an obvious contrived effort to prioritise the St Stephens Place development (?) now put their hands in their pockets and personally pay the cost of enquiry?

I do not want to see this cost added to my council tax bill next April?
Congratulations to Prorsus for staying the course. The original decision appeared to be politically led and I hope all those responsible for taking part in such an obvious contrived effort to prioritise the St Stephens Place development (?) now put their hands in their pockets and personally pay the cost of enquiry? I do not want to see this cost added to my council tax bill next April? the optimist
  • Score: 30

5:56pm Tue 28 Jan 14

ddnewburger says...

its ridiculous, and no one is taking consideration for all the small family businesses that are already struggling due to the 80 bedroomed premier inn, causing a huge loss of businesses for the local hotels, inns and BB in and around trowbridge.. this will also affect small restaurants and pubs with the influx of yet more chain restaurants being planned for the complex.... We have a small hotel and have been hugely affected since the opening of the Premier Inn, (80 bedrooms, an utter disgrace) and furthermore... more restaurants being built to compete... where is the logic... Our business rates are horrendously high, and do we get a reduction "No, they have had no consideration for businesses, genuinely working hard to promote the town and their businesses. we are absolutely disgusted.
its ridiculous, and no one is taking consideration for all the small family businesses that are already struggling due to the 80 bedroomed premier inn, causing a huge loss of businesses for the local hotels, inns and BB in and around trowbridge.. this will also affect small restaurants and pubs with the influx of yet more chain restaurants being planned for the complex.... We have a small hotel and have been hugely affected since the opening of the Premier Inn, (80 bedrooms, an utter disgrace) and furthermore... more restaurants being built to compete... where is the logic... Our business rates are horrendously high, and do we get a reduction "No, they have had no consideration for businesses, genuinely working hard to promote the town and their businesses. we are absolutely disgusted. ddnewburger
  • Score: -14

6:56pm Tue 28 Jan 14

melkshamwizard says...

people from other towns around will go to Trowbridge rather than going all the way to Bath, its not only for Trowbridge, one may eventually close but there will be competition in the meantime
people from other towns around will go to Trowbridge rather than going all the way to Bath, its not only for Trowbridge, one may eventually close but there will be competition in the meantime melkshamwizard
  • Score: 15

7:42pm Tue 28 Jan 14

frankie007 says...

ddnewburger wrote:
its ridiculous, and no one is taking consideration for all the small family businesses that are already struggling due to the 80 bedroomed premier inn, causing a huge loss of businesses for the local hotels, inns and BB in and around trowbridge.. this will also affect small restaurants and pubs with the influx of yet more chain restaurants being planned for the complex.... We have a small hotel and have been hugely affected since the opening of the Premier Inn, (80 bedrooms, an utter disgrace) and furthermore... more restaurants being built to compete... where is the logic... Our business rates are horrendously high, and do we get a reduction "No, they have had no consideration for businesses, genuinely working hard to promote the town and their businesses. we are absolutely disgusted.
If people choose to stay at a Premier Inn rather than at your hotel, I think that says more about your hotel than anything else. Especially as when you go to their web site & try to book a room in Trowbridge, the closest you can get is Frome. They don't even know it's there yet.

Do you think you were getting business because you were the only game in town? Or one of.
[quote][p][bold]ddnewburger[/bold] wrote: its ridiculous, and no one is taking consideration for all the small family businesses that are already struggling due to the 80 bedroomed premier inn, causing a huge loss of businesses for the local hotels, inns and BB in and around trowbridge.. this will also affect small restaurants and pubs with the influx of yet more chain restaurants being planned for the complex.... We have a small hotel and have been hugely affected since the opening of the Premier Inn, (80 bedrooms, an utter disgrace) and furthermore... more restaurants being built to compete... where is the logic... Our business rates are horrendously high, and do we get a reduction "No, they have had no consideration for businesses, genuinely working hard to promote the town and their businesses. we are absolutely disgusted.[/p][/quote]If people choose to stay at a Premier Inn rather than at your hotel, I think that says more about your hotel than anything else. Especially as when you go to their web site & try to book a room in Trowbridge, the closest you can get is Frome. They don't even know it's there yet. Do you think you were getting business because you were the only game in town? Or one of. frankie007
  • Score: 24

7:48pm Tue 28 Jan 14

frankie007 says...

Ooops my mistake. What's happening in Trowbridge on 16th November? I just picked it at random & Trowbridge Premier is full.
Ooops my mistake. What's happening in Trowbridge on 16th November? I just picked it at random & Trowbridge Premier is full. frankie007
  • Score: 0

12:12am Wed 29 Jan 14

jbncer says...

Those who think Trowbridge cannot support two cinemas should have seen the evidence provide to the inspector to refute such an assertion. He clearly rejected Legal & General's arguments that a decision for the Cineworld site would close the Odeon and if he thought that was a logical consequence he would have rejected the application. Remember that the Inspector is totally independent in his assessment of the evidence presented to him so blame the original rejection by councillors for this farcical situation which should never have been forced to an appeal in the first place.

What is incredible is how quickly he has come to his decision and that must be because he saw through the charade of L&G and councillors, notably De Rhe Philipe, with their unequivocal obstruction of the application. Thank goodness there are some true Conservatives in the guise of Graham Payne and John Knight who were fully in support of this development because they saw the longer term economic benefits to the town.

I don't necessarily blame those officers that are left after the recent cull (which won't be the last under this government or council). Whatever their private thoughts about both sites and any support for a cinema on both, they generally have to kow-tow to their political masters even when their decisions are clearly crass, as in this case. Coming on top of the fiasco of increased car parking charges that Jane Scott still refuses to reduce despite empty car parks such as Lovemead and the allowances that she has now decided she will not take (about time too), it really does show just how out of touch she and some members of her party are with what is needed for Trowbridge. What a great pity that we don't have Graham Payne as Leader of the Council or someone totally independent such as Jeff Osborne.

As for the attack by one correspondent on the Premier Inn, the success of that part of the development surely tells its own story. There will be some that will want to patronise larger hotels chains and there will still be those who want a smaller, more intimate hotel. If the latter provides a good value for money service then it will surely survive. I have a daughter in the industry in charge of a hotel complex and that personal service counts.

A second cinema will affect the Odeon but why should they particularly worry? If their prices and offers are truly competitive, that is good for us as the consumer and it certainly will not result in its closure - I understand it is already a highly successful venture, so all the threats at the hearing about its closure or reducing the number of its screens was another nonsense that failed to convince the Inspector. I will support both dependent upon what they have on offer and when.

Motorists will also welcome the fact that it is a Morrisons petrol station coming to town (remember too that councillors originally rejected a petrol station in the original application as another attempt to scupper it). Whilst the lowest prices in Trowbridge currently hover around the 129.9p mark when I was up in Shropshire last week Morrisons price was 125.9p so expect low prices in that area once the complex comes on stream.

So well done to the Inspector - this new development will bring hundreds of much needed jobs to Trowbridge (both in its construction and longer term employment), cheaper petrol and possibly cheaper cinema tickets. There is though one thing I do agree with concerning a recent letter in the Wiltshire Times. The icing on the cake would be a ten pin bowling rink as an add on to the cinema complex as I believe that would be an immediate economic success.
Those who think Trowbridge cannot support two cinemas should have seen the evidence provide to the inspector to refute such an assertion. He clearly rejected Legal & General's arguments that a decision for the Cineworld site would close the Odeon and if he thought that was a logical consequence he would have rejected the application. Remember that the Inspector is totally independent in his assessment of the evidence presented to him so blame the original rejection by councillors for this farcical situation which should never have been forced to an appeal in the first place. What is incredible is how quickly he has come to his decision and that must be because he saw through the charade of L&G and councillors, notably De Rhe Philipe, with their unequivocal obstruction of the application. Thank goodness there are some true Conservatives in the guise of Graham Payne and John Knight who were fully in support of this development because they saw the longer term economic benefits to the town. I don't necessarily blame those officers that are left after the recent cull (which won't be the last under this government or council). Whatever their private thoughts about both sites and any support for a cinema on both, they generally have to kow-tow to their political masters even when their decisions are clearly crass, as in this case. Coming on top of the fiasco of increased car parking charges that Jane Scott still refuses to reduce despite empty car parks such as Lovemead and the allowances that she has now decided she will not take (about time too), it really does show just how out of touch she and some members of her party are with what is needed for Trowbridge. What a great pity that we don't have Graham Payne as Leader of the Council or someone totally independent such as Jeff Osborne. As for the attack by one correspondent on the Premier Inn, the success of that part of the development surely tells its own story. There will be some that will want to patronise larger hotels chains and there will still be those who want a smaller, more intimate hotel. If the latter provides a good value for money service then it will surely survive. I have a daughter in the industry in charge of a hotel complex and that personal service counts. A second cinema will affect the Odeon but why should they particularly worry? If their prices and offers are truly competitive, that is good for us as the consumer and it certainly will not result in its closure - I understand it is already a highly successful venture, so all the threats at the hearing about its closure or reducing the number of its screens was another nonsense that failed to convince the Inspector. I will support both dependent upon what they have on offer and when. Motorists will also welcome the fact that it is a Morrisons petrol station coming to town (remember too that councillors originally rejected a petrol station in the original application as another attempt to scupper it). Whilst the lowest prices in Trowbridge currently hover around the 129.9p mark when I was up in Shropshire last week Morrisons price was 125.9p so expect low prices in that area once the complex comes on stream. So well done to the Inspector - this new development will bring hundreds of much needed jobs to Trowbridge (both in its construction and longer term employment), cheaper petrol and possibly cheaper cinema tickets. There is though one thing I do agree with concerning a recent letter in the Wiltshire Times. The icing on the cake would be a ten pin bowling rink as an add on to the cinema complex as I believe that would be an immediate economic success. jbncer
  • Score: 26

12:31am Wed 29 Jan 14

AMVanquish007 says...

GAME SET AND MATCH
GAME SET AND MATCH AMVanquish007
  • Score: 12

12:41am Wed 29 Jan 14

18Years says...

While I'm still worried the Odeon will close i guess all we can do now is wait and see. One thing I liked about the reserve application was that it had the petrol station on it but if it's going to be included now then that's fantastic news -as it'll mean more competitive prices. While I'm worried I'm really looking forward to the site being developed and hope that both strengthen the towns economy and manage to survive. The fight's over now so pointless having sour grapes over it all, all we can do now is wait and see. I hope both developments succeed and this is a new more positive era for our town.
While I'm still worried the Odeon will close i guess all we can do now is wait and see. One thing I liked about the reserve application was that it had the petrol station on it but if it's going to be included now then that's fantastic news -as it'll mean more competitive prices. While I'm worried I'm really looking forward to the site being developed and hope that both strengthen the towns economy and manage to survive. The fight's over now so pointless having sour grapes over it all, all we can do now is wait and see. I hope both developments succeed and this is a new more positive era for our town. 18Years
  • Score: 9

7:16am Wed 29 Jan 14

AMVanquish007 says...

The Odeon won't close. Dont forget Odeon signed a 25 year lease knowing full well that there was a rival cinema chain who were determined to build regardless of it opening its cinema at St Stephens Place. A point vigorously discussed at the appeal I might add.
The Odeon won't close. Dont forget Odeon signed a 25 year lease knowing full well that there was a rival cinema chain who were determined to build regardless of it opening its cinema at St Stephens Place. A point vigorously discussed at the appeal I might add. AMVanquish007
  • Score: 7

9:22am Wed 29 Jan 14

D@ve says...

It's about telling the council that they should listen to the people.

Out of the two options on the table, the vast majority of the town wanted this development, not the Odeon. The council did it's very best to stonewall this development and push through the one next to it's shiny new offices.

I wish people would understand this point.

Yes we would all love an alternative leisure development, bowling etc. But there is no developer and more importantly there is no operator willing to open in the town.

Without this, it simply won't happen.

However, we do have a developer willing to spend £46m to transform a site, and already has contracts signed. If Cineworld see margin and profit, who are we to argue.

At least this site and it listed buildings will be transformed.
It's about telling the council that they should listen to the people. Out of the two options on the table, the vast majority of the town wanted this development, not the Odeon. The council did it's very best to stonewall this development and push through the one next to it's shiny new offices. I wish people would understand this point. Yes we would all love an alternative leisure development, bowling etc. But there is no developer and more importantly there is no operator willing to open in the town. Without this, it simply won't happen. However, we do have a developer willing to spend £46m to transform a site, and already has contracts signed. If Cineworld see margin and profit, who are we to argue. At least this site and it listed buildings will be transformed. D@ve
  • Score: 8

10:42am Wed 29 Jan 14

conkir says...

I was under the impression retailers enjoyed competition,very happy to see planning permission given.
I was under the impression retailers enjoyed competition,very happy to see planning permission given. conkir
  • Score: 13

12:47pm Wed 29 Jan 14

Das Motte says...

so 400 people "protested" at the original decision, big whoop.
Are these the 400 people who are going to sit in even slower moving traffic queues around Holy Trinity every **** day??
Utter madness.
They might transform the site but thats pretty useless if they don't also transform the infrastructure around it.
so 400 people "protested" at the original decision, big whoop. Are these the 400 people who are going to sit in even slower moving traffic queues around Holy Trinity every **** day?? Utter madness. They might transform the site but thats pretty useless if they don't also transform the infrastructure around it. Das Motte
  • Score: -6

1:00pm Wed 29 Jan 14

jigsaw 5 says...

I'll be buying a cineworld monthly scheme. £17 a month all you can watch. bargain.
I'll be buying a cineworld monthly scheme. £17 a month all you can watch. bargain. jigsaw 5
  • Score: 11

1:10pm Wed 29 Jan 14

perk81 says...

Another out of town development, bet the town centre will be buzzing with people!! Another well needed supermarket to smash the local business's to the ground. Might as well knock down fore street etc and turn it into housing. Council would love that!
Another out of town development, bet the town centre will be buzzing with people!! Another well needed supermarket to smash the local business's to the ground. Might as well knock down fore street etc and turn it into housing. Council would love that! perk81
  • Score: -6

1:20pm Wed 29 Jan 14

BathBadger says...

Das Motte wrote:
so 400 people "protested" at the original decision, big whoop.
Are these the 400 people who are going to sit in even slower moving traffic queues around Holy Trinity every **** day??
Utter madness.
They might transform the site but thats pretty useless if they don't also transform the infrastructure around it.
A section 106 includes improvements to the highway network, footpaths, traffic regulation, signage etc. Although we seemed to cope when Bowyers had traffic in and out of there along with Ushers around the corner.
[quote][p][bold]Das Motte[/bold] wrote: so 400 people "protested" at the original decision, big whoop. Are these the 400 people who are going to sit in even slower moving traffic queues around Holy Trinity every **** day?? Utter madness. They might transform the site but thats pretty useless if they don't also transform the infrastructure around it.[/p][/quote]A section 106 includes improvements to the highway network, footpaths, traffic regulation, signage etc. Although we seemed to cope when Bowyers had traffic in and out of there along with Ushers around the corner. BathBadger
  • Score: 7

1:25pm Wed 29 Jan 14

BathBadger says...

perk81 wrote:
Another out of town development, bet the town centre will be buzzing with people!! Another well needed supermarket to smash the local business's to the ground. Might as well knock down fore street etc and turn it into housing. Council would love that!
What's the alternative? That ship sailed when Tesco moved in. Isn't it the same story elsewhere? Should we just let Bowyers rot like we did with the site SSP is now on on for so many years?
[quote][p][bold]perk81[/bold] wrote: Another out of town development, bet the town centre will be buzzing with people!! Another well needed supermarket to smash the local business's to the ground. Might as well knock down fore street etc and turn it into housing. Council would love that![/p][/quote]What's the alternative? That ship sailed when Tesco moved in. Isn't it the same story elsewhere? Should we just let Bowyers rot like we did with the site SSP is now on on for so many years? BathBadger
  • Score: 11

2:06pm Wed 29 Jan 14

perk81 says...

BathBadger wrote:
perk81 wrote:
Another out of town development, bet the town centre will be buzzing with people!! Another well needed supermarket to smash the local business's to the ground. Might as well knock down fore street etc and turn it into housing. Council would love that!
What's the alternative? That ship sailed when Tesco moved in. Isn't it the same story elsewhere? Should we just let Bowyers rot like we did with the site SSP is now on on for so many years?
So you agree with me the town is finished just put housing through the middle of town and be done with it and just be done with local enterprise and all work for multinationals??? As a local business it's this attitude that has ruined the town centre. But your right tesco has taught this town how and where to shop.
[quote][p][bold]BathBadger[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]perk81[/bold] wrote: Another out of town development, bet the town centre will be buzzing with people!! Another well needed supermarket to smash the local business's to the ground. Might as well knock down fore street etc and turn it into housing. Council would love that![/p][/quote]What's the alternative? That ship sailed when Tesco moved in. Isn't it the same story elsewhere? Should we just let Bowyers rot like we did with the site SSP is now on on for so many years?[/p][/quote]So you agree with me the town is finished just put housing through the middle of town and be done with it and just be done with local enterprise and all work for multinationals??? As a local business it's this attitude that has ruined the town centre. But your right tesco has taught this town how and where to shop. perk81
  • Score: -2

2:15pm Wed 29 Jan 14

18Years says...

What is going to attract new retailers to our town? Two ugly derelict eyesores or two beautifull landscaped developments? There truly is no pleasing some people, they moan about that they're eyesores then moan when they're being developed. Obviously I'm worried two cinemas won't survive, that's just my opinion, but I really hope that they will succeed! Both cinemas will attract many more people to our town, and in turn that'll attract new businesses to fill the town centre. It's going ahead now whether we like it or not so we may as well be positive.
What is going to attract new retailers to our town? Two ugly derelict eyesores or two beautifull landscaped developments? There truly is no pleasing some people, they moan about that they're eyesores then moan when they're being developed. Obviously I'm worried two cinemas won't survive, that's just my opinion, but I really hope that they will succeed! Both cinemas will attract many more people to our town, and in turn that'll attract new businesses to fill the town centre. It's going ahead now whether we like it or not so we may as well be positive. 18Years
  • Score: 19

3:38pm Wed 29 Jan 14

BathBadger says...

perk81 wrote:
BathBadger wrote:
perk81 wrote:
Another out of town development, bet the town centre will be buzzing with people!! Another well needed supermarket to smash the local business's to the ground. Might as well knock down fore street etc and turn it into housing. Council would love that!
What's the alternative? That ship sailed when Tesco moved in. Isn't it the same story elsewhere? Should we just let Bowyers rot like we did with the site SSP is now on on for so many years?
So you agree with me the town is finished just put housing through the middle of town and be done with it and just be done with local enterprise and all work for multinationals??? As a local business it's this attitude that has ruined the town centre. But your right tesco has taught this town how and where to shop.
No, i was asking what the alternative is, the trend set in years ago when retail changed and the supermarkets took over along with the out of town retail areas. We of course also live in the internet age, where sellers no longer need 'bricks and mortar'. That's done alot to drive out the small businesses, but that's' happened everywhere not just Trowbridge. Small businesses can thrive, by supplying good customer service and servicing niches or complimentary services. Farmers markets are a fantastic idea too. The days of being able to shop from Wicker Hill to Roundstone street have gone. We can reminisce or move with the times. I don't think 'Housing' is necessarily the answer for all empty or derelict land. Regeneration is much more pragmatic and efficient.
[quote][p][bold]perk81[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]BathBadger[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]perk81[/bold] wrote: Another out of town development, bet the town centre will be buzzing with people!! Another well needed supermarket to smash the local business's to the ground. Might as well knock down fore street etc and turn it into housing. Council would love that![/p][/quote]What's the alternative? That ship sailed when Tesco moved in. Isn't it the same story elsewhere? Should we just let Bowyers rot like we did with the site SSP is now on on for so many years?[/p][/quote]So you agree with me the town is finished just put housing through the middle of town and be done with it and just be done with local enterprise and all work for multinationals??? As a local business it's this attitude that has ruined the town centre. But your right tesco has taught this town how and where to shop.[/p][/quote]No, i was asking what the alternative is, the trend set in years ago when retail changed and the supermarkets took over along with the out of town retail areas. We of course also live in the internet age, where sellers no longer need 'bricks and mortar'. That's done alot to drive out the small businesses, but that's' happened everywhere not just Trowbridge. Small businesses can thrive, by supplying good customer service and servicing niches or complimentary services. Farmers markets are a fantastic idea too. The days of being able to shop from Wicker Hill to Roundstone street have gone. We can reminisce or move with the times. I don't think 'Housing' is necessarily the answer for all empty or derelict land. Regeneration is much more pragmatic and efficient. BathBadger
  • Score: 7

5:00pm Wed 29 Jan 14

brandx says...

So all the talking, meetings and appeals are finished. Now we can get down to some action.

Let the demolition and construction gangs come in and start work. Market competition will decide if the town can cope with a wealth of facilities... Good old capitalism.

I will await the outcome with interest.

Does anybody know what is going to happen to the old Knees buildin?
So all the talking, meetings and appeals are finished. Now we can get down to some action. Let the demolition and construction gangs come in and start work. Market competition will decide if the town can cope with a wealth of facilities... Good old capitalism. I will await the outcome with interest. Does anybody know what is going to happen to the old Knees buildin? brandx
  • Score: 9

5:32pm Wed 29 Jan 14

trow paint says...

At the moment its a toss up between a coffee shop and a Cinema for the Knees building ;-)
At the moment its a toss up between a coffee shop and a Cinema for the Knees building ;-) trow paint
  • Score: 1

7:55pm Thu 30 Jan 14

moonrakin wurzel says...

Wiltshire Council handled this badly - and their decision was overturned - will council officials escalate this again? - they have the option to go on past the Planning Inspectorate?

For those with short memories, Trowbridge could not even support two modern cinemas in 1982 - let alone a multiplex.

see http://cinematreasur
es.org/theaters/1726
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Wiltshire Council handled this badly - and their decision was overturned - will council officials escalate this again? - they have the option to go on past the Planning Inspectorate? For those with short memories, Trowbridge could not even support two modern cinemas in 1982 - let alone a multiplex. see http://cinematreasur es.org/theaters/1726 2 moonrakin wurzel
  • Score: -6

7:58pm Thu 30 Jan 14

moonrakin wurzel says...

What's the old cinema in the Castle Place complex now used as ? - I think this should be a matter of some interest to everybody since Trowbridge couldn't support a tiny two cinemas not that long ago

http://cinematreasur
es.org/theaters/1726
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What's the old cinema in the Castle Place complex now used as ? - I think this should be a matter of some interest to everybody since Trowbridge couldn't support a tiny two cinemas not that long ago http://cinematreasur es.org/theaters/1726 2 moonrakin wurzel
  • Score: -5

8:59am Fri 31 Jan 14

ddnewburger says...

frankie007 wrote:
ddnewburger wrote:
its ridiculous, and no one is taking consideration for all the small family businesses that are already struggling due to the 80 bedroomed premier inn, causing a huge loss of businesses for the local hotels, inns and BB in and around trowbridge.. this will also affect small restaurants and pubs with the influx of yet more chain restaurants being planned for the complex.... We have a small hotel and have been hugely affected since the opening of the Premier Inn, (80 bedrooms, an utter disgrace) and furthermore... more restaurants being built to compete... where is the logic... Our business rates are horrendously high, and do we get a reduction "No, they have had no consideration for businesses, genuinely working hard to promote the town and their businesses. we are absolutely disgusted.
If people choose to stay at a Premier Inn rather than at your hotel, I think that says more about your hotel than anything else. Especially as when you go to their web site & try to book a room in Trowbridge, the closest you can get is Frome. They don't even know it's there yet.

Do you think you were getting business because you were the only game in town? Or one of.
We have worked really hard to make our hotel a lovely, clean and comfortable place to say, as probably most of the other hotels in and around trowbridge... with crippling business rates, which the council have not taken into consideration or have any intention of decreasing. We as a private hotel, cannot compete with the pricing that these chain hotels can offer... and im sure that other local hotels inns and bb cannot compete with... corporate rates being offered at £29.00 with an evening meal... I rest my case.
[quote][p][bold]frankie007[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ddnewburger[/bold] wrote: its ridiculous, and no one is taking consideration for all the small family businesses that are already struggling due to the 80 bedroomed premier inn, causing a huge loss of businesses for the local hotels, inns and BB in and around trowbridge.. this will also affect small restaurants and pubs with the influx of yet more chain restaurants being planned for the complex.... We have a small hotel and have been hugely affected since the opening of the Premier Inn, (80 bedrooms, an utter disgrace) and furthermore... more restaurants being built to compete... where is the logic... Our business rates are horrendously high, and do we get a reduction "No, they have had no consideration for businesses, genuinely working hard to promote the town and their businesses. we are absolutely disgusted.[/p][/quote]If people choose to stay at a Premier Inn rather than at your hotel, I think that says more about your hotel than anything else. Especially as when you go to their web site & try to book a room in Trowbridge, the closest you can get is Frome. They don't even know it's there yet. Do you think you were getting business because you were the only game in town? Or one of.[/p][/quote]We have worked really hard to make our hotel a lovely, clean and comfortable place to say, as probably most of the other hotels in and around trowbridge... with crippling business rates, which the council have not taken into consideration or have any intention of decreasing. We as a private hotel, cannot compete with the pricing that these chain hotels can offer... and im sure that other local hotels inns and bb cannot compete with... corporate rates being offered at £29.00 with an evening meal... I rest my case. ddnewburger
  • Score: -1

2:16pm Fri 31 Jan 14

AMVanquish007 says...

Moonrakin Wurzel- let me enlighten you as to reasons why the Europa cinemas failed on top of the Castle Place leisure centre.
Firstly it was operated by an Irish Company run out of Dublin and between 1974 to 1982. The agreements they had with the film distributors meant that it was subject to quite high film rentals. They paid more at that time than the Cannon and Odeon circuits that were in existence at the time.
Also at that time the cinema was also subject to a system of barring which meant that the ABC Beau Nash could stop another cinema within a 10 mile radius. Unfortunately the Europa was 9.8 miles from the Bath ABC.
Some distributors did allow films day and date with London but it became frustrating for the management when Frome Devizes and Chippenham got films before Trowbridge did.
The other thing was that Allied London who owned the castle place development charged a phenomenal lease per annum to tune of £20000.
even before overheads and wages were taken into account.
Plus the multi storey had the same problems experienced today with it being rammed 8am - 6pm - not good on holiday dates.
Unfortunately there was I believe a court case where the company was ripped off by a shady employee claiming expenses. This made the company fold in 1982.
The other problem was that the Europa was not high profile. Nobody knew where it was and it was also accessible by stairs and a multi storey that was not adequately lit.
Furthermore there was a bingo hall next to it which was part of it and when that folded after 6 years the cinema had to pay out on that lease too.
In terms of films and its attendance it was very successful but the fact that it had to pay out more than it was able to get in in its latter years caused it financial problems it could not extricate itself from.
Moonrakin Wurzel- let me enlighten you as to reasons why the Europa cinemas failed on top of the Castle Place leisure centre. Firstly it was operated by an Irish Company run out of Dublin and between 1974 to 1982. The agreements they had with the film distributors meant that it was subject to quite high film rentals. They paid more at that time than the Cannon and Odeon circuits that were in existence at the time. Also at that time the cinema was also subject to a system of barring which meant that the ABC Beau Nash could stop another cinema within a 10 mile radius. Unfortunately the Europa was 9.8 miles from the Bath ABC. Some distributors did allow films day and date with London but it became frustrating for the management when Frome Devizes and Chippenham got films before Trowbridge did. The other thing was that Allied London who owned the castle place development charged a phenomenal lease per annum to tune of £20000. even before overheads and wages were taken into account. Plus the multi storey had the same problems experienced today with it being rammed 8am - 6pm - not good on holiday dates. Unfortunately there was I believe a court case where the company was ripped off by a shady employee claiming expenses. This made the company fold in 1982. The other problem was that the Europa was not high profile. Nobody knew where it was and it was also accessible by stairs and a multi storey that was not adequately lit. Furthermore there was a bingo hall next to it which was part of it and when that folded after 6 years the cinema had to pay out on that lease too. In terms of films and its attendance it was very successful but the fact that it had to pay out more than it was able to get in in its latter years caused it financial problems it could not extricate itself from. AMVanquish007
  • Score: 7

2:18pm Fri 31 Jan 14

AMVanquish007 says...

Barring meaning it could stop another cinema from showing the same film
Barring meaning it could stop another cinema from showing the same film AMVanquish007
  • Score: 3

3:58pm Fri 31 Jan 14

Hilperton Man says...

BathBadger wrote:
Das Motte wrote:
so 400 people "protested" at the original decision, big whoop.
Are these the 400 people who are going to sit in even slower moving traffic queues around Holy Trinity every **** day??
Utter madness.
They might transform the site but thats pretty useless if they don't also transform the infrastructure around it.
A section 106 includes improvements to the highway network, footpaths, traffic regulation, signage etc. Although we seemed to cope when Bowyers had traffic in and out of there along with Ushers around the corner.
Im not 1 of the 400 people who protested to have this site for a second cinema, but where was the people who didn't want it .
[quote][p][bold]BathBadger[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Das Motte[/bold] wrote: so 400 people "protested" at the original decision, big whoop. Are these the 400 people who are going to sit in even slower moving traffic queues around Holy Trinity every **** day?? Utter madness. They might transform the site but thats pretty useless if they don't also transform the infrastructure around it.[/p][/quote]A section 106 includes improvements to the highway network, footpaths, traffic regulation, signage etc. Although we seemed to cope when Bowyers had traffic in and out of there along with Ushers around the corner.[/p][/quote]Im not 1 of the 400 people who protested to have this site for a second cinema, but where was the people who didn't want it . Hilperton Man
  • Score: -2

6:25pm Fri 31 Jan 14

snazzle says...

ddnewburger wrote:
its ridiculous, and no one is taking consideration for all the small family businesses that are already struggling due to the 80 bedroomed premier inn, causing a huge loss of businesses for the local hotels, inns and BB in and around trowbridge.. this will also affect small restaurants and pubs with the influx of yet more chain restaurants being planned for the complex.... We have a small hotel and have been hugely affected since the opening of the Premier Inn, (80 bedrooms, an utter disgrace) and furthermore... more restaurants being built to compete... where is the logic... Our business rates are horrendously high, and do we get a reduction "No, they have had no consideration for businesses, genuinely working hard to promote the town and their businesses. we are absolutely disgusted.
Believe it or not you do NOT own the sole rights for a hotel Trowbridge, much the same as many businesses who constantly moan when direct competition opens up around the corner. Instead of putting all your efforts towards whinging try to make your own business successful in its own right as it is not always about the cheapest or biggest it is also about what you offer customers in service, quality and choice. If you can not provide this it is time to sell up before you have a mental breakdown.
COMPETITION WILL ALWAYS BENEFIT THE CUSTOMER so how some people still seem to think we are still in the age of only one butcher, one baker and one candlestick maker in each town is beyond me.
[quote][p][bold]ddnewburger[/bold] wrote: its ridiculous, and no one is taking consideration for all the small family businesses that are already struggling due to the 80 bedroomed premier inn, causing a huge loss of businesses for the local hotels, inns and BB in and around trowbridge.. this will also affect small restaurants and pubs with the influx of yet more chain restaurants being planned for the complex.... We have a small hotel and have been hugely affected since the opening of the Premier Inn, (80 bedrooms, an utter disgrace) and furthermore... more restaurants being built to compete... where is the logic... Our business rates are horrendously high, and do we get a reduction "No, they have had no consideration for businesses, genuinely working hard to promote the town and their businesses. we are absolutely disgusted.[/p][/quote]Believe it or not you do NOT own the sole rights for a hotel Trowbridge, much the same as many businesses who constantly moan when direct competition opens up around the corner. Instead of putting all your efforts towards whinging try to make your own business successful in its own right as it is not always about the cheapest or biggest it is also about what you offer customers in service, quality and choice. If you can not provide this it is time to sell up before you have a mental breakdown. COMPETITION WILL ALWAYS BENEFIT THE CUSTOMER so how some people still seem to think we are still in the age of only one butcher, one baker and one candlestick maker in each town is beyond me. snazzle
  • Score: 3

11:30pm Fri 31 Jan 14

moonrakin wurzel says...

AMVanquish007

thanks for the background. I was aware of the inaccessibility of the cinema but wasn't aware of the operating constraints. IIRC there weren't that many decent films about then either....

I guess we'll see :-)

The cinema is only part of the recipe. Having read the Planning Inspector's report - one has to wonder what we're paying hundreds of thousands of pounds for - to employ planners and support councillors who are this deluded and arbitrary. I might have missed it - but are the council accepting defeat or are they going to the next tier?

There are significant issues with traffic, parking and shoddily patched up potholes in Trowbridge and it's long past time these were addressed - I see hundreds of thousands of pounds being spent on street furniture and trendy new designer street lights whilst key issues like congestion and maintenance are ignored. One might almost think some people are simply spending their budgets and there's no cost benefit or public consultation going on ...
AMVanquish007 thanks for the background. I was aware of the inaccessibility of the cinema but wasn't aware of the operating constraints. IIRC there weren't that many decent films about then either.... I guess we'll see :-) The cinema is only part of the recipe. Having read the Planning Inspector's report - one has to wonder what we're paying hundreds of thousands of pounds for - to employ planners and support councillors who are this deluded and arbitrary. I might have missed it - but are the council accepting defeat or are they going to the next tier? There are significant issues with traffic, parking and shoddily patched up potholes in Trowbridge and it's long past time these were addressed - I see hundreds of thousands of pounds being spent on street furniture and trendy new designer street lights whilst key issues like congestion and maintenance are ignored. One might almost think some people are simply spending their budgets and there's no cost benefit or public consultation going on ... moonrakin wurzel
  • Score: 0

9:38am Sat 1 Feb 14

Mr Scrooge McDuck says...

ddnewburger wrote:
frankie007 wrote:
ddnewburger wrote:
its ridiculous, and no one is taking consideration for all the small family businesses that are already struggling due to the 80 bedroomed premier inn, causing a huge loss of businesses for the local hotels, inns and BB in and around trowbridge.. this will also affect small restaurants and pubs with the influx of yet more chain restaurants being planned for the complex.... We have a small hotel and have been hugely affected since the opening of the Premier Inn, (80 bedrooms, an utter disgrace) and furthermore... more restaurants being built to compete... where is the logic... Our business rates are horrendously high, and do we get a reduction "No, they have had no consideration for businesses, genuinely working hard to promote the town and their businesses. we are absolutely disgusted.
If people choose to stay at a Premier Inn rather than at your hotel, I think that says more about your hotel than anything else. Especially as when you go to their web site & try to book a room in Trowbridge, the closest you can get is Frome. They don't even know it's there yet.

Do you think you were getting business because you were the only game in town? Or one of.
We have worked really hard to make our hotel a lovely, clean and comfortable place to say, as probably most of the other hotels in and around trowbridge... with crippling business rates, which the council have not taken into consideration or have any intention of decreasing. We as a private hotel, cannot compete with the pricing that these chain hotels can offer... and im sure that other local hotels inns and bb cannot compete with... corporate rates being offered at £29.00 with an evening meal... I rest my case.
The council does not set business rates. Your property is given a rateable value which is set by the valuation office. This is then multiplied by the national business rates multiplier in order to calculate your charge. If you qualify for any reliefs apply for them.
[quote][p][bold]ddnewburger[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]frankie007[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ddnewburger[/bold] wrote: its ridiculous, and no one is taking consideration for all the small family businesses that are already struggling due to the 80 bedroomed premier inn, causing a huge loss of businesses for the local hotels, inns and BB in and around trowbridge.. this will also affect small restaurants and pubs with the influx of yet more chain restaurants being planned for the complex.... We have a small hotel and have been hugely affected since the opening of the Premier Inn, (80 bedrooms, an utter disgrace) and furthermore... more restaurants being built to compete... where is the logic... Our business rates are horrendously high, and do we get a reduction "No, they have had no consideration for businesses, genuinely working hard to promote the town and their businesses. we are absolutely disgusted.[/p][/quote]If people choose to stay at a Premier Inn rather than at your hotel, I think that says more about your hotel than anything else. Especially as when you go to their web site & try to book a room in Trowbridge, the closest you can get is Frome. They don't even know it's there yet. Do you think you were getting business because you were the only game in town? Or one of.[/p][/quote]We have worked really hard to make our hotel a lovely, clean and comfortable place to say, as probably most of the other hotels in and around trowbridge... with crippling business rates, which the council have not taken into consideration or have any intention of decreasing. We as a private hotel, cannot compete with the pricing that these chain hotels can offer... and im sure that other local hotels inns and bb cannot compete with... corporate rates being offered at £29.00 with an evening meal... I rest my case.[/p][/quote]The council does not set business rates. Your property is given a rateable value which is set by the valuation office. This is then multiplied by the national business rates multiplier in order to calculate your charge. If you qualify for any reliefs apply for them. Mr Scrooge McDuck
  • Score: 5

4:59pm Sat 1 Feb 14

Trowbridge friend says...

If I hear another idiot saying "another cinema isn't a good idea, there are still vacant units near the Odeon" I am going to go mad. At the weekends The Odeon is packed to the roof, even though the selection of films is poor, they play it safe with just the blockbusters, the film times are few are far between. The restaurants are also full to the roof, you need to book over a week in advance for a table on a weekend. Prezzo and Nandos have queues running out into the car park. We and our neighboring towns obviously need both cinemas and all the restaurants that are planned. The reason there are empty units has nothing to do with the profitability of the units. So unless you work in the industry or have a masters degree in economics, then keep your fantasies and ideas to yourself!
And as for the people complaining that we have already got terrible traffic congestion over by Stallard roundabout and by the station at rush hours and Saturday morning. You need to get out more. Go and visit any town and you will see just how lucky we are in Trowbridge. If a 5 minute hold up during rush hour getting through Trowbridge was the biggest deal then you live a very sheltered life. It is 2014, most people have a car, traffic congestion is part of life, get used to it . if you want a Town with very little traffic, go and move out to the country. You cant have all these great facilities without a little sacrifice.

My last rant is to all the people who want a bowling alley. When you win the lottery and want to spend it on a whimsical business venture that will never break even, then go ahead. These developers are investing a lot of money, the only way they can stay in business is by investing it in profitable businesses. If Hollywood bowl want to come to Trowbridge then they would have been party to all these discussions. In three or four years time when Trowbridge is a Entertainment Hub with 10's of thousands of visitors coming every month, then who knows, maybe we will have a Bowling alley being built somewhere in Trowbridge.

Lets just be great full for what we have and stop acting like someone just stole your dinner money from you in the playground.
If I hear another idiot saying "another cinema isn't a good idea, there are still vacant units near the Odeon" I am going to go mad. At the weekends The Odeon is packed to the roof, even though the selection of films is poor, they play it safe with just the blockbusters, the film times are few are far between. The restaurants are also full to the roof, you need to book over a week in advance for a table on a weekend. Prezzo and Nandos have queues running out into the car park. We and our neighboring towns obviously need both cinemas and all the restaurants that are planned. The reason there are empty units has nothing to do with the profitability of the units. So unless you work in the industry or have a masters degree in economics, then keep your fantasies and ideas to yourself! And as for the people complaining that we have already got terrible traffic congestion over by Stallard roundabout and by the station at rush hours and Saturday morning. You need to get out more. Go and visit any town and you will see just how lucky we are in Trowbridge. If a 5 minute hold up during rush hour getting through Trowbridge was the biggest deal then you live a very sheltered life. It is 2014, most people have a car, traffic congestion is part of life, get used to it . if you want a Town with very little traffic, go and move out to the country. You cant have all these great facilities without a little sacrifice. My last rant is to all the people who want a bowling alley. When you win the lottery and want to spend it on a whimsical business venture that will never break even, then go ahead. These developers are investing a lot of money, the only way they can stay in business is by investing it in profitable businesses. If Hollywood bowl want to come to Trowbridge then they would have been party to all these discussions. In three or four years time when Trowbridge is a Entertainment Hub with 10's of thousands of visitors coming every month, then who knows, maybe we will have a Bowling alley being built somewhere in Trowbridge. Lets just be great full for what we have and stop acting like someone just stole your dinner money from you in the playground. Trowbridge friend
  • Score: 14

3:33am Sun 2 Feb 14

AMVanquish007 says...

Well said Trowbridge friend
Well said Trowbridge friend AMVanquish007
  • Score: 4

8:31am Sun 2 Feb 14

jigsaw 5 says...

The council always spend their budgeted remaining money during jan-march 31st period. Its a common practice or they'll lose money for the next year.
The council always spend their budgeted remaining money during jan-march 31st period. Its a common practice or they'll lose money for the next year. jigsaw 5
  • Score: 1

10:49am Sun 2 Feb 14

frankie007 says...

ddnewburger wrote:
frankie007 wrote:
ddnewburger wrote:
its ridiculous, and no one is taking consideration for all the small family businesses that are already struggling due to the 80 bedroomed premier inn, causing a huge loss of businesses for the local hotels, inns and BB in and around trowbridge.. this will also affect small restaurants and pubs with the influx of yet more chain restaurants being planned for the complex.... We have a small hotel and have been hugely affected since the opening of the Premier Inn, (80 bedrooms, an utter disgrace) and furthermore... more restaurants being built to compete... where is the logic... Our business rates are horrendously high, and do we get a reduction "No, they have had no consideration for businesses, genuinely working hard to promote the town and their businesses. we are absolutely disgusted.
If people choose to stay at a Premier Inn rather than at your hotel, I think that says more about your hotel than anything else. Especially as when you go to their web site & try to book a room in Trowbridge, the closest you can get is Frome. They don't even know it's there yet.

Do you think you were getting business because you were the only game in town? Or one of.
We have worked really hard to make our hotel a lovely, clean and comfortable place to say, as probably most of the other hotels in and around trowbridge... with crippling business rates, which the council have not taken into consideration or have any intention of decreasing. We as a private hotel, cannot compete with the pricing that these chain hotels can offer... and im sure that other local hotels inns and bb cannot compete with... corporate rates being offered at £29.00 with an evening meal... I rest my case.
You don't have a case to rest. If you offer something different or better (that would hardly be difficult), then you'll get the business.
I had the misfortune to have to stay in a Premier Inn, (how can they justify the name?) once, and can assure you that nothing would induce me to repeat the experience.
Competing on price is the lazy man's route to the bankruptcy court.
If price was the only consideration we'd all be looking for a park bench near a KFC.
If you've got a lovely, clean & comfortable place to stay, which I don't doubt for a second, maybe you should change your advertising policy? Quality will always be the preferred option.
[quote][p][bold]ddnewburger[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]frankie007[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ddnewburger[/bold] wrote: its ridiculous, and no one is taking consideration for all the small family businesses that are already struggling due to the 80 bedroomed premier inn, causing a huge loss of businesses for the local hotels, inns and BB in and around trowbridge.. this will also affect small restaurants and pubs with the influx of yet more chain restaurants being planned for the complex.... We have a small hotel and have been hugely affected since the opening of the Premier Inn, (80 bedrooms, an utter disgrace) and furthermore... more restaurants being built to compete... where is the logic... Our business rates are horrendously high, and do we get a reduction "No, they have had no consideration for businesses, genuinely working hard to promote the town and their businesses. we are absolutely disgusted.[/p][/quote]If people choose to stay at a Premier Inn rather than at your hotel, I think that says more about your hotel than anything else. Especially as when you go to their web site & try to book a room in Trowbridge, the closest you can get is Frome. They don't even know it's there yet. Do you think you were getting business because you were the only game in town? Or one of.[/p][/quote]We have worked really hard to make our hotel a lovely, clean and comfortable place to say, as probably most of the other hotels in and around trowbridge... with crippling business rates, which the council have not taken into consideration or have any intention of decreasing. We as a private hotel, cannot compete with the pricing that these chain hotels can offer... and im sure that other local hotels inns and bb cannot compete with... corporate rates being offered at £29.00 with an evening meal... I rest my case.[/p][/quote]You don't have a case to rest. If you offer something different or better (that would hardly be difficult), then you'll get the business. I had the misfortune to have to stay in a Premier Inn, (how can they justify the name?) once, and can assure you that nothing would induce me to repeat the experience. Competing on price is the lazy man's route to the bankruptcy court. If price was the only consideration we'd all be looking for a park bench near a KFC. If you've got a lovely, clean & comfortable place to stay, which I don't doubt for a second, maybe you should change your advertising policy? Quality will always be the preferred option. frankie007
  • Score: 7

3:14pm Sun 2 Feb 14

brandx says...

I am so clear posters are now putting all these pie in sky wish lists about bowling alloeys, ice rinks and swimming pools back in the box.

Competitive capitalism is the name of the name. That alone will decide if Trowbridge van cope with Odeon and Cineworld.
I am so clear posters are now putting all these pie in sky wish lists about bowling alloeys, ice rinks and swimming pools back in the box. Competitive capitalism is the name of the name. That alone will decide if Trowbridge van cope with Odeon and Cineworld. brandx
  • Score: 1

3:18pm Sun 2 Feb 14

brandx says...

I am so glad that reality is beginning to dawn and all these pie in the sky wish lists about bowling alleys, ice rinks and swimming pools are finally being put back in the "uneconomic" box.

Competitive capitalism is the name of the game. Only that will decide if Trowbridge can cope with both Odeon and Cineworld.
I am so glad that reality is beginning to dawn and all these pie in the sky wish lists about bowling alleys, ice rinks and swimming pools are finally being put back in the "uneconomic" box. Competitive capitalism is the name of the game. Only that will decide if Trowbridge can cope with both Odeon and Cineworld. brandx
  • Score: 5

6:48pm Mon 3 Feb 14

Miss_TrowVegas says...

We don't need another cinema Would of been nice for us to get bowling alley instead of keep travelling to go to one, would of been perfect. As Trowbridge needs something the whole family can do together, as bowling is for all ages. We could of had anything like that but no! we get another cinema.
We don't need another cinema Would of been nice for us to get bowling alley instead of keep travelling to go to one, would of been perfect. As Trowbridge needs something the whole family can do together, as bowling is for all ages. We could of had anything like that but no! we get another cinema. Miss_TrowVegas
  • Score: -5

9:42am Tue 4 Feb 14

D@ve says...

Miss_TrowVegas wrote:
We don't need another cinema Would of been nice for us to get bowling alley instead of keep travelling to go to one, would of been perfect. As Trowbridge needs something the whole family can do together, as bowling is for all ages. We could of had anything like that but no! we get another cinema.
I take it you haven't read all the previous comments about bowling etc?

No operator and developer are willing to build this leisure facility in the Town. It is not up to the council to magically make this happen. They can only approve / decline applications.

No application for bowling has ever been made, as no operator is willing to come to the town.
[quote][p][bold]Miss_TrowVegas[/bold] wrote: We don't need another cinema Would of been nice for us to get bowling alley instead of keep travelling to go to one, would of been perfect. As Trowbridge needs something the whole family can do together, as bowling is for all ages. We could of had anything like that but no! we get another cinema.[/p][/quote]I take it you haven't read all the previous comments about bowling etc? No operator and developer are willing to build this leisure facility in the Town. It is not up to the council to magically make this happen. They can only approve / decline applications. No application for bowling has ever been made, as no operator is willing to come to the town. D@ve
  • Score: 5

5:21pm Tue 11 Feb 14

Miss_TrowVegas says...

D@ve wrote:
Miss_TrowVegas wrote:
We don't need another cinema Would of been nice for us to get bowling alley instead of keep travelling to go to one, would of been perfect. As Trowbridge needs something the whole family can do together, as bowling is for all ages. We could of had anything like that but no! we get another cinema.
I take it you haven't read all the previous comments about bowling etc?

No operator and developer are willing to build this leisure facility in the Town. It is not up to the council to magically make this happen. They can only approve / decline applications.

No application for bowling has ever been made, as no operator is willing to come to the town.
and u think ur Mr know it all!
[quote][p][bold]D@ve[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Miss_TrowVegas[/bold] wrote: We don't need another cinema Would of been nice for us to get bowling alley instead of keep travelling to go to one, would of been perfect. As Trowbridge needs something the whole family can do together, as bowling is for all ages. We could of had anything like that but no! we get another cinema.[/p][/quote]I take it you haven't read all the previous comments about bowling etc? No operator and developer are willing to build this leisure facility in the Town. It is not up to the council to magically make this happen. They can only approve / decline applications. No application for bowling has ever been made, as no operator is willing to come to the town.[/p][/quote]and u think ur Mr know it all! Miss_TrowVegas
  • Score: -1

4:05pm Thu 13 Feb 14

brandx says...

I repeat: competitive capitalism is the name of the game.
I repeat: competitive capitalism is the name of the game. brandx
  • Score: 0

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