Switch of Wiltshire police staff puts jobs at risk, says union

The Wiltshire Gazette and Herald: Police commissioner Angus Macpherson Police commissioner Angus Macpherson

Unison in Wiltshire is fighting plans to transfer 215 civilian police staff to Wiltshire Council.

Wiltshire Council and the county’s police force announced last summer that to save money a partnership would result in some administrative staff transferring to the council.

But Unison say staff and the public have not been consulted on the move and it fears that if the staff are transferred to Wiltshire Council they face uncertainty over their jobs as Wiltshire Council continues to cut costs.

Unison lobbied the Home Office to stop the transfer but the objection has been rejected.

Nick Maslen, Unison branch secretary at Wiltshire Police, said: “The awful prospect of Wiltshire Constabulary losing some 215 of its staff to Wiltshire County Council has just come a step closer.

"If the Home Secretary goes ahead to confirm these ill thought out plans, the people of Wiltshire will suffer the loss of experienced police staff whose job it has been to keep our communities safe.

“At no point during his election campaign did the Wiltshire Police and Crime Commissioner (Angus Macpherson), who is behind these plans, come clean with local people over his plans to cut police resources.”

The staff who will be transferring include the force’s professional standards department, which investigates police corruption, specialist driver and firearms training and staff vetting. The transfer does not include staff who answer calls in the control room.

Mr Maslen said the staff are “unsettled and worried” and said the plan was flawed.

Mo Dickson, Unison regional organiser for Wiltshire Police, said: “The Wiltshire PCC’s plans to transfer over 200 police staff to the local authority put the public at risk at a time when the police service is trying hard to reassure communities that it can protect them from crime and disorder.

"No other PCC in the whole of England and Wales is proposing to break up their police force in the way that is happening in Wiltshire. The people of Wiltshire deserve better than this and Unison will go on campaigning against this dangerous loss of police resources.”

In a statement Wiltshire Police and the Office of the Police and Crime Commissioner (OPCC) for Wiltshire and Swindon said they are working with Wiltshire Council in developing a strategic partnership.

They said this strategic partnership is in line with the Commissioner’s Police and Crime Plan and the intention of sharing ‘back office’ functions was within his election manifesto.

The statement said: “It is about public agencies working more closely together to provide the best possible services to the public and to work in the most cost effective ways, in light of substantial public sector budget cuts and ever increasing demands for services. It is also a necessary step to help protect frontline policing.

“Work has taken place to scope ‘back office’ or support service departments for sharing services between Wiltshire Police and Wiltshire Council. Service definition documents have been produced by the relevant heads of departments and staff engagement is on-going.

"The OPCC has submitted proposals to the Home Secretary Theresa May around the transfer of police staff to the council.

“The OPCC and Wiltshire Police are aware of objections raised by Unison and has responded to their concerns, within which they reassure that regular consultation by both Wiltshire Police and the OPCC will continue with Unison.

"The OPCC and Wiltshire Police has written to the Home Office and we await a response.”

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12:16pm Thu 23 Jan 14

kimcrawley says...

Does this mean that Scott and her cabinet colleagues will want more money for 'managing' 200 extra former police staff.
Strange how they never 'scoped' Chippeham Council's IT support which has been outsourced, how does that work?
Does this mean that W. Council does not have an IT dep't.?
Does this mean that Scott and her cabinet colleagues will want more money for 'managing' 200 extra former police staff. Strange how they never 'scoped' Chippeham Council's IT support which has been outsourced, how does that work? Does this mean that W. Council does not have an IT dep't.? kimcrawley
  • Score: 3

5:14pm Thu 23 Jan 14

brasstacks says...

Well said kim.....

W/C has, according to them, spent loads of dosh "updating IT" and ofc irese, we still do NOT know how much Insurance money they were paid out after the "floods" they had some time back that so called destroyed Equipment ?!..
I hope that Unison fight like troupers for the Police that are going to be "moved" to W/C ?..
Are we going to see Jane Scott put on yet another "hat" if she is allowed to take on the Police Staff ??....
Perhaps Jane would like to give an Interview to the Press to tell us and the Police Staff just what her "plans" are for them at Monkton Park ??....
It IS very hard to believe that there is ANY Law being adhered to in Wiltshire if a Police Commissioner is being "allowed" to increase our Council Tax to pay for Police Services that we all ready pay for ?..
It IS worth remembering that Angus is a Conservative and best more to think carefully BEFORE you Vote at the next Election ?..
Just because the Conservatives are "in power" at present in Wiltshire, does NOT mean that we cannot challenge their appalling decisions !?..
Please Come and Support the People of Wiltshire at the County Hall Meeting on 4th February 2014 at 10.30 am.....
It beggars belief that Jane Scott is NOW disagreeing with Eric Pickles 'advice" to not take her "pay rise !?...
Who is "in charge" of the Conservatives, eh ??..
The ONLY "strategic partnership" in Wiltshire is the one that is being allowed to continue between Jane Scott and her Conservative Cabinet..
Lets STOP this before our County suffers anymore ?
Well said kim..... W/C has, according to them, spent loads of dosh "updating IT" and ofc irese, we still do NOT know how much Insurance money they were paid out after the "floods" they had some time back that so called destroyed Equipment ?!.. I hope that Unison fight like troupers for the Police that are going to be "moved" to W/C ?.. Are we going to see Jane Scott put on yet another "hat" if she is allowed to take on the Police Staff ??.... Perhaps Jane would like to give an Interview to the Press to tell us and the Police Staff just what her "plans" are for them at Monkton Park ??.... It IS very hard to believe that there is ANY Law being adhered to in Wiltshire if a Police Commissioner is being "allowed" to increase our Council Tax to pay for Police Services that we all ready pay for ?.. It IS worth remembering that Angus is a Conservative and best more to think carefully BEFORE you Vote at the next Election ?.. Just because the Conservatives are "in power" at present in Wiltshire, does NOT mean that we cannot challenge their appalling decisions !?.. Please Come and Support the People of Wiltshire at the County Hall Meeting on 4th February 2014 at 10.30 am..... It beggars belief that Jane Scott is NOW disagreeing with Eric Pickles 'advice" to not take her "pay rise !?... Who is "in charge" of the Conservatives, eh ??.. The ONLY "strategic partnership" in Wiltshire is the one that is being allowed to continue between Jane Scott and her Conservative Cabinet.. Lets STOP this before our County suffers anymore ? brasstacks
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9:47pm Thu 23 Jan 14

shed says...

Come on out there, make it 3000 signatures, not many more needed.

https://you.38degree
s.org.uk/petitions/r
esignation-of-leader
-and-cabinet-of-wilt
shire-council
Come on out there, make it 3000 signatures, not many more needed. https://you.38degree s.org.uk/petitions/r esignation-of-leader -and-cabinet-of-wilt shire-council shed
  • Score: 1

11:22pm Thu 23 Jan 14

kimcrawley says...

I agree with the concept of making these scoundrels resign. We should also consider exactly what they have done.
In the past NWDC had a Chief Executive and a Corporate Management Team made up of the Chief officers of the various services provided by the council.
The Chief Exec would discuss proposals for any major change with the CMT and the legal ramifications of any action. As a group they would achieve a consensus and this would form the basis of their recommendations to the members at full council who would make a decision.
Scot and her colleagues got rid of the post of Chief Executive in order to curtail any challenge to her politically motivated barmy ideas. They pretended it was to save money, on the contrary it will cost us money funding outsourced services that consistently fail to provide value for money.
I challenge Scott and her cabinet once again show us your legal and professional qualifications that enable you to make life changing decisions for so many people.
Or are you just a loony fringe of the tory party lining your own pockets at our expense?
I agree with the concept of making these scoundrels resign. We should also consider exactly what they have done. In the past NWDC had a Chief Executive and a Corporate Management Team made up of the Chief officers of the various services provided by the council. The Chief Exec would discuss proposals for any major change with the CMT and the legal ramifications of any action. As a group they would achieve a consensus and this would form the basis of their recommendations to the members at full council who would make a decision. Scot and her colleagues got rid of the post of Chief Executive in order to curtail any challenge to her politically motivated barmy ideas. They pretended it was to save money, on the contrary it will cost us money funding outsourced services that consistently fail to provide value for money. I challenge Scott and her cabinet once again show us your legal and professional qualifications that enable you to make life changing decisions for so many people. Or are you just a loony fringe of the tory party lining your own pockets at our expense? kimcrawley
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3:17pm Fri 24 Jan 14

shed says...

The brutal fact is she has no qualifications whatsoever.....
in fact she's only been in Wiltshire since 1990

read on....


"After leaving school, Scott trained for a career in agriculture, then worked in the dairy industry, on farms and also in public relations work, marketing and lecturing. She moved to Wiltshire in the early 1990s and in 1995 was elected to North Wiltshire District Council. Two years later, she was elected to Wiltshire County Council, and in 2001 became chairman of its Education Committee, then cabinet member for children, education and libraries, and finally Leader in 2003 for the job ...."


and more

in her own words
"But of one thing she is certain: everyone should have the right to question the authority. "I am horrified when I hear of 'behind closed doors' decisions. I just don't think it is good governance. I want power at the right level for the right decision," she says"

and it would seem one of our top brass Carlton Brand is qualified for the job because he was a car designer for Ford ..........
ye gods.

you can read more here

http://www.theguardi
an.com/society/2013/
may/28/jane-scott-wi
ltshire-cuts-managea
ble
The brutal fact is she has no qualifications whatsoever..... in fact she's only been in Wiltshire since 1990 read on.... "After leaving school, Scott trained for a career in agriculture, then worked in the dairy industry, on farms and also in public relations work, marketing and lecturing. She moved to Wiltshire in the early 1990s and in 1995 was elected to North Wiltshire District Council. Two years later, she was elected to Wiltshire County Council, and in 2001 became chairman of its Education Committee,[3] then cabinet member for children, education and libraries, and finally Leader in 2003 for the job ...." and more in her own words "But of one thing she is certain: everyone should have the right to question the authority. "I am horrified when I hear of 'behind closed doors' decisions. I just don't think it is good governance. I want power at the right level for the right decision," she says" and it would seem one of our top brass Carlton Brand is qualified for the job because he was a car designer for Ford .......... ye gods. you can read more here http://www.theguardi an.com/society/2013/ may/28/jane-scott-wi ltshire-cuts-managea ble shed
  • Score: 2

4:45pm Fri 24 Jan 14

kimcrawley says...

Thanks shed, it would seem then that she really does not know what she is doing, how have we come to this.
No wonder she is the laughing stock in Private Eye's Rotten Boroughs.
An investigation into her cronyism is long overdue, she is clearly not acting in the best interests of the authority or constituents.
Thanks shed, it would seem then that she really does not know what she is doing, how have we come to this. No wonder she is the laughing stock in Private Eye's Rotten Boroughs. An investigation into her cronyism is long overdue, she is clearly not acting in the best interests of the authority or constituents. kimcrawley
  • Score: 2

7:55pm Sun 26 Jan 14

underdogs says...

At last, Wiltshires media are finally covering this story that has been available for the world to see on the internet since August 2013 ! I wonder what the cost to the taxpayer was when 400 or so staff left Wiltshire Council over the past 18 months, and the TUPE and other costs and responsibilities of the Council taking on these Police staff ? More council taxes and reductions in our services to pay off even more staff when they leave !
At last, Wiltshires media are finally covering this story that has been available for the world to see on the internet since August 2013 ! I wonder what the cost to the taxpayer was when 400 or so staff left Wiltshire Council over the past 18 months, and the TUPE and other costs and responsibilities of the Council taking on these Police staff ? More council taxes and reductions in our services to pay off even more staff when they leave ! underdogs
  • Score: 4

7:05pm Mon 27 Jan 14

WR950 says...

Just another example of the Tory police commissioner looking after his Tory mates in the council with scant regard for serving the public. Disgracefully corrupt.
Just another example of the Tory police commissioner looking after his Tory mates in the council with scant regard for serving the public. Disgracefully corrupt. WR950
  • Score: 4

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