Wiltshire schools discuss homophobia for anti-bullying week

Sir Ian McKellen showing off his ZeeTee wristband

Sir Ian McKellen showing off his ZeeTee wristband

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School children across Wiltshire will be discussing the effects of homophobic behaviour during anti-bullying week.

Seven secondary schools will watch Myth Busters, a short film which explains how it feels to be a gay young person and be subjected to homophobic language and behaviour on a daily basis.

The film is part of a campaign initiated by GoGs (Group of Gays) youth group and supported by Wiltshire Council and NHS Wiltshire. They are urging students to stop using 'gay' as a derogatory term and to show their commitment to this by signing a pledge and wearing a ZeeTee (zero tolerance) wristband.

Sir Ian McKellen wears the distinctive ZeeTee wristband. The message on the band is Respecting Difference and demonstrates support for the campaign for zero tolerance of homophobic language.

Sir Ian visited schools in Wiltshire a couple of years ago, as part of the council’s commitment to support lesbian, gay, bis-sexual and transgender (LGB&T) young people through its affiliation with the Stonewall's Education Champion's programme..

Sir Ian said: “Until I visited secondary schools recently, I hadn’t realised how much anti-gay bullying goes on, throughout the education system. By talking frankly about my own life as a gay man and listening to the concerns of staff and students, parents and governors, I hope the visits arranged by Stonewall made a difference in the classroom and the playground and also gave confidence to gay students about their lives in the future.”

Sir Ian visited GoG’s when he was in Trowbridge, and the young people are thrilled that he is giving them his support now by wearing their campaign band.

Bea Potter, a young person who has delivered all the assemblies so far, said:  "The support from the students has been amazing.

“John Bentley School in Calne had 392 signatures in their first 45 minute lunch break of making the pledge boards available. Their ambassadors were so enthusiastic and really got behind making the campaign work in their school.”

As this campaign has been started by young people, the co-ordinator, Nicola Sage of Wiltshire Council, was keen the impact on teacher time was as limited as possible.

Ms Sage said:  “Before we start delivering assemblies, I meet with student representatives, known as ZeeTee Ambassadors, who have volunteered to manage the process of signing and distribution.  Their interest to support this has been matched by the enthusiasm of their fellow students, making this a really enjoyable and invigorating piece of work.”

Royal Wootton Bassett School was involved in the early development of the campaign.

Mrs Ellis from the school said: "The Zee Tee campaign has really helped raise our students awareness of homophobic language. What has been especially pleasing is the way in which the Zee Tee ambassadors have championed the cause and have really driven the campaign forward.

"The assemblies were great and really got the students thinking about the way that they use everyday language without thinking of the possible negative consequences."

Lionel Grundy cabinet member for children services said: "This is a powerful campaign which we hope will make a real and lasting impression on young people.”

To support Anti-bullying Week, the Campaign will be visiting Chippenham, Trowbridge and Salisbury Colleges, as well as delivering morning assemblies in Wellington Acadamy, Ludgershall. 

More information about the ZeeTee Campaign, as well as the Myth Busters film can be accessed here.

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8:55pm Fri 16 Nov 12

who dat? says...

Sir Ian visited schools in Wiltshire a couple of years ago, as part of the council’s commitment to support lesbian, gay, bis-sexual and transgender (LGB&T) young people through its affiliation with the Stonewall's Education Champion's programme..

Flippin eck - glad I left skool years ago!!


I ardly had time to reed n wroit!!
Sir Ian visited schools in Wiltshire a couple of years ago, as part of the council’s commitment to support lesbian, gay, bis-sexual and transgender (LGB&T) young people through its affiliation with the Stonewall's Education Champion's programme.. Flippin eck - glad I left skool years ago!! I ardly had time to reed n wroit!! who dat?
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8:13am Sat 17 Nov 12

Mrs Donnyfly says...

Are we not British? Shouldn't that be a Zed Tee wristband,and Zed Tee campaign?
Are we not British? Shouldn't that be a Zed Tee wristband,and Zed Tee campaign? Mrs Donnyfly
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1:31pm Sat 17 Nov 12

beetawix says...

GoGs. are urging students to stop using 'gay' as a derogatory term.
_____________

Gay is not generally used by students in a homophobic sense. It has acquired a new meaning ie uncool. This new meaning has nothing to do with sexual orientation.
They will not be able to stop it either because language is far too powerful for that, as proved in the 1970s when the same word was then hi-jacked to mean homosexual.
GoGs. are urging students to stop using 'gay' as a derogatory term. _____________ Gay is not generally used by students in a homophobic sense. It has acquired a new meaning ie uncool. This new meaning has nothing to do with sexual orientation. They will not be able to stop it either because language is far too powerful for that, as proved in the 1970s when the same word was then hi-jacked to mean homosexual. beetawix
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8:27pm Sat 17 Nov 12

Mrs Donnyfly says...

Is there anything else they will be discussing in anti-bullying week? Why the obsession with just one topic?
Is there anything else they will be discussing in anti-bullying week? Why the obsession with just one topic? Mrs Donnyfly
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1:22pm Sun 18 Nov 12

shed says...

Mrs Donnyfly wrote:
Is there anything else they will be discussing in anti-bullying week? Why the obsession with just one topic?
shut up you or I'll smash yer ;-D
[quote][p][bold]Mrs Donnyfly[/bold] wrote: Is there anything else they will be discussing in anti-bullying week? Why the obsession with just one topic?[/p][/quote]shut up you or I'll smash yer ;-D shed
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8:18am Tue 20 Nov 12

frosch says...

As this article was about the use of homophobic language, some of the comments which appear here, are homophobic.

Freddie, why is it not ok to be gay ? I knew when i was 13 , you didn't talk about it then, i hated myself , oh and promoting homosexuality as you say doesn't make anyone homosexual

and Dradford gays are not paedophiles, how many of these scoutmasters, schoolteachers, vicars are married ?
As this article was about the use of homophobic language, some of the comments which appear here, are homophobic. Freddie, why is it not ok to be gay ? I knew when i was 13 , you didn't talk about it then, i hated myself , oh and promoting homosexuality as you say doesn't make anyone homosexual and Dradford gays are not paedophiles, how many of these scoutmasters, schoolteachers, vicars are married ? frosch
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1:45pm Tue 20 Nov 12

frosch says...

thank you shed for sharing your views with us

did you know there are heterosexual couples who also enjoy anal sex

and to be honest nobody is asking you to participate
thank you shed for sharing your views with us did you know there are heterosexual couples who also enjoy anal sex and to be honest nobody is asking you to participate frosch
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4:43pm Tue 20 Nov 12

freddie_W says...

frosch wrote:
As this article was about the use of homophobic language, some of the comments which appear here, are homophobic. Freddie, why is it not ok to be gay ? I knew when i was 13 , you didn't talk about it then, i hated myself , oh and promoting homosexuality as you say doesn't make anyone homosexual and Dradford gays are not paedophiles, how many of these scoutmasters, schoolteachers, vicars are married ?
Most people do not agree with the promotion of homosexuality frosch, promoting it in our schools is wrong, this does not make me homophobic i just have a clear understanding of what is acceptable and what is not acceptable. Promoting homosexuality is quite aberrant to most people, this is why the state has introduced draconian equality laws to suppress freedom of opinion, progressive liberalism is all about promoting minority groups to promote a political agenda. There is a link between homosexuality and paedophilia the state surfs just dont want us to know.
[quote][p][bold]frosch[/bold] wrote: As this article was about the use of homophobic language, some of the comments which appear here, are homophobic. Freddie, why is it not ok to be gay ? I knew when i was 13 , you didn't talk about it then, i hated myself , oh and promoting homosexuality as you say doesn't make anyone homosexual and Dradford gays are not paedophiles, how many of these scoutmasters, schoolteachers, vicars are married ?[/p][/quote]Most people do not agree with the promotion of homosexuality frosch, promoting it in our schools is wrong, this does not make me homophobic i just have a clear understanding of what is acceptable and what is not acceptable. Promoting homosexuality is quite aberrant to most people, this is why the state has introduced draconian equality laws to suppress freedom of opinion, progressive liberalism is all about promoting minority groups to promote a political agenda. There is a link between homosexuality and paedophilia the state surfs just dont want us to know. freddie_W
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8:09am Wed 21 Nov 12

frosch says...

If there is a link between homosexuality and paedophilia, then there is also a link between heterosexuality and paedophilia.

Most people are aware of their sexuality in their teenage years, that information is provided about sexuality is not promotion of any particulary sexuality.

some people are homosexual and should be free to live the lives free from discrimination
If there is a link between homosexuality and paedophilia, then there is also a link between heterosexuality and paedophilia. Most people are aware of their sexuality in their teenage years, that information is provided about sexuality is not promotion of any particulary sexuality. some people are homosexual and should be free to live the lives free from discrimination frosch
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10:07am Wed 21 Nov 12

shed says...

frosch wrote:
If there is a link between homosexuality and paedophilia, then there is also a link between heterosexuality and paedophilia.

Most people are aware of their sexuality in their teenage years, that information is provided about sexuality is not promotion of any particulary sexuality.

some people are homosexual and should be free to live the lives free from discrimination
I'll go along with the gist of that, although when I was young most of us had never heard of homosexuality.
Since the 1960s it has been rammed down our throats and glorified at any opportunity via all media.
Just look at all the TV shows featuring "gays" in some form.

It has become a tool of a pressure group of a minority to force the majority to regard it as "normal"

While I for one, do not care what you do with your body, or with who, I dislike the flaunting of it, exposing young impressionable and possibly confused youngsters to it.

You are and always will be a minority; the principle of democracy is that the minority concede to the majority and the majority chose not to share your preferences.

and indeed, you should be be "free to live their lives free from discrimination" as long as it does not impinge on others, I and others should be free to express our distaste for that life style and its practices with out being labelled bigot or homophobic.

That includes not employing or giving lodging, etc to 'gays' if I so wish.
[quote][p][bold]frosch[/bold] wrote: If there is a link between homosexuality and paedophilia, then there is also a link between heterosexuality and paedophilia. Most people are aware of their sexuality in their teenage years, that information is provided about sexuality is not promotion of any particulary sexuality. some people are homosexual and should be free to live the lives free from discrimination[/p][/quote]I'll go along with the gist of that, although when I was young most of us had never heard of homosexuality. Since the 1960s it has been rammed down our throats and glorified at any opportunity via all media. Just look at all the TV shows featuring "gays" in some form. It has become a tool of a pressure group of a minority to force the majority to regard it as "normal" While I for one, do not care what you do with your body, or with who, I dislike the flaunting of it, exposing young impressionable and possibly confused youngsters to it. You are and always will be a minority; the principle of democracy is that the minority concede to the majority and the majority chose not to share your preferences. and indeed, you should be be "free to live their lives free from discrimination" as long as it does not impinge on others, I and others should be free to express our distaste for that life style and its practices with out being labelled bigot or homophobic. That includes not employing or giving lodging, etc to 'gays' if I so wish. shed
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11:07am Wed 21 Nov 12

frosch says...

the principle of democracy is not that a majority can suppress a minority, however much you might like that

you agree that gays should live lives free from discrimination but then say you should be free to discriminate in employment matters and the provision of accommodation.

and that doesn't make you homophobic ?

If you said the same about black people , you would be considered a racist
the principle of democracy is not that a majority can suppress a minority, however much you might like that you agree that gays should live lives free from discrimination but then say you should be free to discriminate in employment matters and the provision of accommodation. and that doesn't make you homophobic ? If you said the same about black people , you would be considered a racist frosch
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12:47pm Wed 21 Nov 12

shed says...

frosch wrote:
the principle of democracy is not that a majority can suppress a minority, however much you might like that

you agree that gays should live lives free from discrimination but then say you should be free to discriminate in employment matters and the provision of accommodation.

and that doesn't make you homophobic ?

If you said the same about black people , you would be considered a racist
A typical libtard twisting of words. I did NOT say that the principle of democracy is that a majority can suppress a minority.
What I said was that ..

" the principle of democracy is that the minority concede to the majority "

no word was said about repressing oppressing any minority.

As you have a right to indulge your lifestyle I too have a right to indulge mine, that includes avoiding the gay element any way I can.

If phobia is defines as.....
" as a persistent fear of an object or situation in which the sufferer commits to great lengths in avoiding"

then yes I am homophobic. I don't care.

and right on cue you bring in the race element, so to be clear I do not care for the black race either and I believe we would be better off in this country without them.



I now await two things, the next set of the usual stereotypical accusations and mud slinging, or my post to be censored yet again in this land where speech is free but only for the selected.
[quote][p][bold]frosch[/bold] wrote: the principle of democracy is not that a majority can suppress a minority, however much you might like that you agree that gays should live lives free from discrimination but then say you should be free to discriminate in employment matters and the provision of accommodation. and that doesn't make you homophobic ? If you said the same about black people , you would be considered a racist[/p][/quote]A typical libtard twisting of words. I did NOT say that the principle of democracy is that a majority can suppress a minority. What I said was that .. " the principle of democracy is that the minority concede to the majority " no word was said about repressing oppressing any minority. As you have a right to indulge your lifestyle I too have a right to indulge mine, that includes avoiding the gay element any way I can. If phobia is defines as..... " as a persistent fear of an object or situation in which the sufferer commits to great lengths in avoiding" then yes I am homophobic. I don't care. and right on cue you bring in the race element, so to be clear I do not care for the black race either and I believe we would be better off in this country without them. I now await two things, the next set of the usual stereotypical accusations and mud slinging, or my post to be censored yet again in this land where speech is free but only for the selected. shed
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1:21pm Wed 21 Nov 12

exwilts says...

Firstly, I am gay, but I am not here to sling mud or wave a rainbow flag and stamp my feet regarding my rights. I simply treat people in the way I expect to be treated with respect and dignity. I have yet to meet a person who does not discriminate in one way shape or form regardless of race, sex, religion and sexuality etc etc. Everyone one has their beliefs and opionions and there is nothing wrong with that, it is what makes us different, but what isn't exceptable is expressing those views to belittle or attack one section of society.

I would like to dispel a couple of myths though:

Being gay does not make you have paedophilic tendencies

IF exposing "confused" young people to homosexuality may lead youngsters to become gay then I would have surely grown up heterosexual? When I was at school, teachers were not allowed to talkabout being gay, I knew nobody gay and was surrounded by heterosexuals in my formative years. Yet despite all this I am still gay!

You don't chose your sexuality and sexual attraction isn't black and white, some people are attracted to both sexes!

Despite being gay, I have always worked paid my taxes etc, I hold down a responsible job and make a contribution to society so it is not too much to expect to be able to access the whole of society without discrimination.

Lets educate young people about how important an inclusive society is.

OK, so may be I have stamped my feet a little here. Just for the record I am not a saint, there are sections of society I have little patience for but I don't express those views in a public forum. Lets just live and let live!
Firstly, I am gay, but I am not here to sling mud or wave a rainbow flag and stamp my feet regarding my rights. I simply treat people in the way I expect to be treated with respect and dignity. I have yet to meet a person who does not discriminate in one way shape or form regardless of race, sex, religion and sexuality etc etc. Everyone one has their beliefs and opionions and there is nothing wrong with that, it is what makes us different, but what isn't exceptable is expressing those views to belittle or attack one section of society. I would like to dispel a couple of myths though: Being gay does not make you have paedophilic tendencies IF exposing "confused" young people to homosexuality may lead youngsters to become gay then I would have surely grown up heterosexual? When I was at school, teachers were not allowed to talkabout being gay, I knew nobody gay and was surrounded by heterosexuals in my formative years. Yet despite all this I am still gay! You don't chose your sexuality and sexual attraction isn't black and white, some people are attracted to both sexes! Despite being gay, I have always worked paid my taxes etc, I hold down a responsible job and make a contribution to society so it is not too much to expect to be able to access the whole of society without discrimination. Lets educate young people about how important an inclusive society is. OK, so may be I have stamped my feet a little here. Just for the record I am not a saint, there are sections of society I have little patience for but I don't express those views in a public forum. Lets just live and let live! exwilts
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1:26pm Wed 21 Nov 12

exwilts says...

opps....not exceptable, acceptable!
opps....not exceptable, acceptable! exwilts
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1:41pm Wed 21 Nov 12

shed says...

"Firstly, I am gay, but I am not here to sling mud or wave a rainbow flag and stamp my feet regarding my rights. I simply treat people in the way I expect to be treated with respect and dignity. I have yet to meet a person who does not discriminate in one way shape or form regardless of race, sex, religion and sexuality etc etc. Everyone one has their beliefs and opionions and there is nothing wrong with that, it is what makes us different, but what isn't exceptable is expressing those views to belittle or attack one section of society."

absolutely spot on.
I do not believe that I have belittled or attacked anyone here?

I have however expressed my personal dislikes which I acknowledge may offend some people.
It they are offended then reasonably they should accept that their views offend me?

likewise "racism" which is two way traffic, and I believe is more intense from the racially "offended" side.

Introduction of that subject though is a classic diversion tactic from the original thread.

Please note I did not bring it up.

Godwins law and all that.
"Firstly, I am gay, but I am not here to sling mud or wave a rainbow flag and stamp my feet regarding my rights. I simply treat people in the way I expect to be treated with respect and dignity. I have yet to meet a person who does not discriminate in one way shape or form regardless of race, sex, religion and sexuality etc etc. Everyone one has their beliefs and opionions and there is nothing wrong with that, it is what makes us different, but what isn't exceptable is expressing those views to belittle or attack one section of society." absolutely spot on. I do not believe that I have belittled or attacked anyone here? I have however expressed my personal dislikes which I acknowledge may offend some people. It they are offended then reasonably they should accept that their views offend me? likewise "racism" which is two way traffic, and I believe is more intense from the racially "offended" side. Introduction of that subject though is a classic diversion tactic from the original thread. Please note I did not bring it up. Godwins law and all that. shed
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2:25pm Wed 21 Nov 12

exwilts says...

Shed, whilst I accept that you have views of being gay you have made comments that are derogatory, the use of the term "old queen" and labelling gay men perverts I consider to be belittling and attacking. But that may just be my opinion. Whilst I can not see your original entry on this thread I can only go by the quote of your comment by freddie_w at 3:14pm yesterday afternoon.

I am not going to get into a personal argument with you about this but it is a stereotypical, misleading and in my own experience incorrect view of gay life.
Shed, whilst I accept that you have views of being gay you have made comments that are derogatory, the use of the term "old queen" and labelling gay men perverts I consider to be belittling and attacking. But that may just be my opinion. Whilst I can not see your original entry on this thread I can only go by the quote of your comment by freddie_w at 3:14pm yesterday afternoon. I am not going to get into a personal argument with you about this but it is a stereotypical, misleading and in my own experience incorrect view of gay life. exwilts
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4:25pm Wed 21 Nov 12

shed says...

That's fine exwilts.

Funnily enough I know via my wife's circle several 'gay' men...., and amongst
themselves they often will use such words as 'queen' or queer even though they are not what is called 'camp' so I will not apologise for the use of that word, nor some of the others.

I can understand two men being close life long friends , I am old enough to realise that a lot of 'normal men' actually don't like women and enjoy the company of men instead.

That does not mean they feel the need to indulge in the other habits I find distasteful.

but enoughs enough lets finish this thread??

never us twain shall meet.
That's fine exwilts. Funnily enough I know via my wife's circle several 'gay' men....[I realise that's a bit like some of my best friends are.. etc etc etc, but its true], and amongst themselves they often will use such words as 'queen' or queer even though they are not what is called 'camp' so I will not apologise for the use of that word, nor some of the others. I can understand two men being close life long friends , I am old enough to realise that a lot of 'normal men' actually don't like women and enjoy the company of men instead. That does not mean they feel the need to indulge in the other habits I find distasteful. but enoughs enough lets finish this thread?? never us twain shall meet. shed
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8:35pm Wed 21 Nov 12

judgeatnam says...

exwilts wrote:
Shed, whilst I accept that you have views of being gay you have made comments that are derogatory, the use of the term "old queen" and labelling gay men perverts I consider to be belittling and attacking. But that may just be my opinion. Whilst I can not see your original entry on this thread I can only go by the quote of your comment by freddie_w at 3:14pm yesterday afternoon. I am not going to get into a personal argument with you about this but it is a stereotypical, misleading and in my own experience incorrect view of gay life.
Well done ExWilts. Your comments are well written and in my eyes your dignity is intact.
I am not gay at all, and some of the comments on this forum are unbeleivable. I'll leave it at that.
[quote][p][bold]exwilts[/bold] wrote: Shed, whilst I accept that you have views of being gay you have made comments that are derogatory, the use of the term "old queen" and labelling gay men perverts I consider to be belittling and attacking. But that may just be my opinion. Whilst I can not see your original entry on this thread I can only go by the quote of your comment by freddie_w at 3:14pm yesterday afternoon. I am not going to get into a personal argument with you about this but it is a stereotypical, misleading and in my own experience incorrect view of gay life.[/p][/quote]Well done ExWilts. Your comments are well written and in my eyes your dignity is intact. I am not gay at all, and some of the comments on this forum are unbeleivable. I'll leave it at that. judgeatnam
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10:21pm Wed 21 Nov 12

freddie_W says...

frosch wrote:
the principle of democracy is not that a majority can suppress a minority, however much you might like that you agree that gays should live lives free from discrimination but then say you should be free to discriminate in employment matters and the provision of accommodation. and that doesn't make you homophobic ? If you said the same about black people , you would be considered a racist
"Some of the comments on this forum are unbelievable"
Well go to the top of the politically correct all inclusive class judgeatnam, funny how some commentators seem to lose sight of the core issues and jump onto the discrimination and bigot band wagon when they dont like other peoples valid views.

Myself and another commentator have had our comments withdrawn from this forum simply because we, like most people do not agree with the openly sexual deviant behaviour promoted by the Fascist liberal establishment, who are the intolerant bigots here?

I will summarise this discussion with this comment.

Bullying goes on in schools for all kinds of different reasons, this should not be hijacked to promote homosexuality to our kids.
[quote][p][bold]frosch[/bold] wrote: the principle of democracy is not that a majority can suppress a minority, however much you might like that you agree that gays should live lives free from discrimination but then say you should be free to discriminate in employment matters and the provision of accommodation. and that doesn't make you homophobic ? If you said the same about black people , you would be considered a racist[/p][/quote]"Some of the comments on this forum are unbelievable" Well go to the top of the politically correct all inclusive class judgeatnam, funny how some commentators seem to lose sight of the core issues and jump onto the discrimination and bigot band wagon when they dont like other peoples valid views. Myself and another commentator have had our comments withdrawn from this forum simply because we, like most people do not agree with the openly sexual deviant behaviour promoted by the Fascist liberal establishment, who are the intolerant bigots here? I will summarise this discussion with this comment. Bullying goes on in schools for all kinds of different reasons, this should not be hijacked to promote homosexuality to our kids. freddie_W
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10:40pm Wed 21 Nov 12

freddie_W says...

Thanks for deleting my comment again admin you obviously dont like the truth.
Thanks for deleting my comment again admin you obviously dont like the truth. freddie_W
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11:18pm Wed 21 Nov 12

shed says...

freddie_W wrote:
frosch wrote:
the principle of democracy is not that a majority can suppress a minority, however much you might like that you agree that gays should live lives free from discrimination but then say you should be free to discriminate in employment matters and the provision of accommodation. and that doesn't make you homophobic ? If you said the same about black people , you would be considered a racist
"Some of the comments on this forum are unbelievable"
Well go to the top of the politically correct all inclusive class judgeatnam, funny how some commentators seem to lose sight of the core issues and jump onto the discrimination and bigot band wagon when they dont like other peoples valid views.

Myself and another commentator have had our comments withdrawn from this forum simply because we, like most people do not agree with the openly sexual deviant behaviour promoted by the Fascist liberal establishment, who are the intolerant bigots here?

I will summarise this discussion with this comment.

Bullying goes on in schools for all kinds of different reasons, this should not be hijacked to promote homosexuality to our kids.
you got it in one Freddie.

does it make you feel a bit like King Canute?
it does me.
[quote][p][bold]freddie_W[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]frosch[/bold] wrote: the principle of democracy is not that a majority can suppress a minority, however much you might like that you agree that gays should live lives free from discrimination but then say you should be free to discriminate in employment matters and the provision of accommodation. and that doesn't make you homophobic ? If you said the same about black people , you would be considered a racist[/p][/quote]"Some of the comments on this forum are unbelievable" Well go to the top of the politically correct all inclusive class judgeatnam, funny how some commentators seem to lose sight of the core issues and jump onto the discrimination and bigot band wagon when they dont like other peoples valid views. Myself and another commentator have had our comments withdrawn from this forum simply because we, like most people do not agree with the openly sexual deviant behaviour promoted by the Fascist liberal establishment, who are the intolerant bigots here? I will summarise this discussion with this comment. Bullying goes on in schools for all kinds of different reasons, this should not be hijacked to promote homosexuality to our kids.[/p][/quote]you got it in one Freddie. does it make you feel a bit like King Canute? it does me. shed
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11:42pm Wed 21 Nov 12

freddie_W says...

You cant beat a good controversial debate shed, i think that's probably the end of this one.
until the next time.
You cant beat a good controversial debate shed, i think that's probably the end of this one. until the next time. freddie_W
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8:22am Thu 22 Nov 12

frosch says...

I can only say I hope the views expressed by Freddie and Shed are not representative of the majority of readers.

Educating teenagers about homosexuality has never made anyone homosexual. I grew up with only heterosexual influences, but I am still gay. Being gay believe me is not a choice.
I can only say I hope the views expressed by Freddie and Shed are not representative of the majority of readers. Educating teenagers about homosexuality has never made anyone homosexual. I grew up with only heterosexual influences, but I am still gay. Being gay believe me is not a choice. frosch
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10:29am Thu 22 Nov 12

notscot says...

freddie_W wrote:
You cant beat a good controversial debate shed, i think that's probably the end of this one.
until the next time.
What debate - controversial or otherwise?
You mean a few dinosaurs sniping, stereotyping, libelling and generally mud-slinging?
Good grief.
Thankfully - we all know the fate of dinosaurs.
[quote][p][bold]freddie_W[/bold] wrote: You cant beat a good controversial debate shed, i think that's probably the end of this one. until the next time.[/p][/quote]What debate - controversial or otherwise? You mean a few dinosaurs sniping, stereotyping, libelling and generally mud-slinging? Good grief. Thankfully - we all know the fate of dinosaurs. notscot
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11:55am Thu 22 Nov 12

shed says...

"I can only say I hope the views expressed by Freddie and Shed are not representative of the majority of readers."

well, frosch the problem is that the majority do agree with me and freddie,; the trouble is that they have been cowed into submission by vocal minority groups and vested interests and are scared to speak their minds in case those groups use the power of the system to persecute them.
They go along with all the PC rubbish not from a desire to be PC, but out of fear.
That's why the likes of myself and freddie feel it is important to make our views heard wherever possible and thus to encourage more to speak out.
Even when an organ such as the Gazette gets censorious.

Hello notscot, you are a bit late coming on this one.....kiss kiss.XXX
"I can only say I hope the views expressed by Freddie and Shed are not representative of the majority of readers." well, frosch the problem is that the majority do agree with me and freddie,; the trouble is that they have been cowed into submission by vocal minority groups and vested interests and are scared to speak their minds in case those groups use the power of the system to persecute them. They go along with all the PC rubbish not from a desire to be PC, but out of fear. That's why the likes of myself and freddie feel it is important to make our views heard wherever possible and thus to encourage more to speak out. Even when an organ such as the Gazette gets censorious. Hello notscot, you are a bit late coming on this one.....kiss kiss.XXX shed
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12:05pm Thu 22 Nov 12

notscot says...

shed wrote:
"I can only say I hope the views expressed by Freddie and Shed are not representative of the majority of readers."

well, frosch the problem is that the majority do agree with me and freddie,; the trouble is that they have been cowed into submission by vocal minority groups and vested interests and are scared to speak their minds in case those groups use the power of the system to persecute them.
They go along with all the PC rubbish not from a desire to be PC, but out of fear.
That's why the likes of myself and freddie feel it is important to make our views heard wherever possible and thus to encourage more to speak out.
Even when an organ such as the Gazette gets censorious.

Hello notscot, you are a bit late coming on this one.....kiss kiss.XXX
Oh dear.
Silly boy - just outed yourself.
Kisses.
[quote][p][bold]shed[/bold] wrote: "I can only say I hope the views expressed by Freddie and Shed are not representative of the majority of readers." well, frosch the problem is that the majority do agree with me and freddie,; the trouble is that they have been cowed into submission by vocal minority groups and vested interests and are scared to speak their minds in case those groups use the power of the system to persecute them. They go along with all the PC rubbish not from a desire to be PC, but out of fear. That's why the likes of myself and freddie feel it is important to make our views heard wherever possible and thus to encourage more to speak out. Even when an organ such as the Gazette gets censorious. Hello notscot, you are a bit late coming on this one.....kiss kiss.XXX[/p][/quote]Oh dear. Silly boy - just outed yourself. Kisses. notscot
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2:38pm Thu 22 Nov 12

britcanadian says...

shed wrote:
frosch wrote: If there is a link between homosexuality and paedophilia, then there is also a link between heterosexuality and paedophilia. Most people are aware of their sexuality in their teenage years, that information is provided about sexuality is not promotion of any particulary sexuality. some people are homosexual and should be free to live the lives free from discrimination
I'll go along with the gist of that, although when I was young most of us had never heard of homosexuality. Since the 1960s it has been rammed down our throats and glorified at any opportunity via all media. Just look at all the TV shows featuring "gays" in some form. It has become a tool of a pressure group of a minority to force the majority to regard it as "normal" While I for one, do not care what you do with your body, or with who, I dislike the flaunting of it, exposing young impressionable and possibly confused youngsters to it. You are and always will be a minority; the principle of democracy is that the minority concede to the majority and the majority chose not to share your preferences. and indeed, you should be be "free to live their lives free from discrimination" as long as it does not impinge on others, I and others should be free to express our distaste for that life style and its practices with out being labelled bigot or homophobic. That includes not employing or giving lodging, etc to 'gays' if I so wish.
Well put sir..
I could not agree more.
[quote][p][bold]shed[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]frosch[/bold] wrote: If there is a link between homosexuality and paedophilia, then there is also a link between heterosexuality and paedophilia. Most people are aware of their sexuality in their teenage years, that information is provided about sexuality is not promotion of any particulary sexuality. some people are homosexual and should be free to live the lives free from discrimination[/p][/quote]I'll go along with the gist of that, although when I was young most of us had never heard of homosexuality. Since the 1960s it has been rammed down our throats and glorified at any opportunity via all media. Just look at all the TV shows featuring "gays" in some form. It has become a tool of a pressure group of a minority to force the majority to regard it as "normal" While I for one, do not care what you do with your body, or with who, I dislike the flaunting of it, exposing young impressionable and possibly confused youngsters to it. You are and always will be a minority; the principle of democracy is that the minority concede to the majority and the majority chose not to share your preferences. and indeed, you should be be "free to live their lives free from discrimination" as long as it does not impinge on others, I and others should be free to express our distaste for that life style and its practices with out being labelled bigot or homophobic. That includes not employing or giving lodging, etc to 'gays' if I so wish.[/p][/quote]Well put sir.. I could not agree more. britcanadian
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3:03pm Thu 22 Nov 12

shed says...

"Oh dear.
Silly boy - just outed yourself."

How's that notscot?

all I did was blow an internet kiss to a big girlie..
"Oh dear. Silly boy - just outed yourself." How's that notscot? all I did was blow an internet kiss to a big girlie.. shed
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5:30pm Thu 22 Nov 12

notscot says...

shed wrote:
"Oh dear. Silly boy - just outed yourself." How's that notscot? all I did was blow an internet kiss to a big girlie..
Oh bless, can't debate - can't leave people alone, just because they're different, can't help but write libelous tripe about gay men.
But if I'm a big enough girlie for you - you definitely have tastes WITHIN an area you profess to find distasteful.....you'
re an odd 'un, chappy.
Or maybe just confused.........
[quote][p][bold]shed[/bold] wrote: "Oh dear. Silly boy - just outed yourself." How's that notscot? all I did was blow an internet kiss to a big girlie..[/p][/quote]Oh bless, can't debate - can't leave people alone, just because they're different, can't help but write libelous tripe about gay men. But if I'm a big enough girlie for you - you definitely have tastes WITHIN an area you profess to find distasteful.....you' re an odd 'un, chappy. Or maybe just confused......... notscot
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5:39pm Thu 22 Nov 12

freddie_W says...

notscot wrote:
freddie_W wrote: You cant beat a good controversial debate shed, i think that's probably the end of this one. until the next time.
What debate - controversial or otherwise? You mean a few dinosaurs sniping, stereotyping, libelling and generally mud-slinging? Good grief. Thankfully - we all know the fate of dinosaurs.
Hello notscot, i wondered when you where going to rock in with your self opinionated school prefect PC drivel.

"Sniping stereotyping libelling and mud slinging"

I dont think so, i am entitled to my opinion progressive liberal propaganda is not going to stop me from expressing myself, its a pity people like you do not have the back bone to do the same.
[quote][p][bold]notscot[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]freddie_W[/bold] wrote: You cant beat a good controversial debate shed, i think that's probably the end of this one. until the next time.[/p][/quote]What debate - controversial or otherwise? You mean a few dinosaurs sniping, stereotyping, libelling and generally mud-slinging? Good grief. Thankfully - we all know the fate of dinosaurs.[/p][/quote]Hello notscot, i wondered when you where going to rock in with your self opinionated school prefect PC drivel. "Sniping stereotyping libelling and mud slinging" I dont think so, i am entitled to my opinion progressive liberal propaganda is not going to stop me from expressing myself, its a pity people like you do not have the back bone to do the same. freddie_W
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8:51pm Thu 22 Nov 12

shed says...

"school prefect"

oh my aching sides!!!!

too right, and like the ones at my school, a bit of a bully eh?
"school prefect" oh my aching sides!!!! too right, and like the ones at my school, a bit of a bully eh? shed
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9:01pm Thu 22 Nov 12

notscot says...

freddie_W wrote:
notscot wrote:
freddie_W wrote: You cant beat a good controversial debate shed, i think that's probably the end of this one. until the next time.
What debate - controversial or otherwise? You mean a few dinosaurs sniping, stereotyping, libelling and generally mud-slinging? Good grief. Thankfully - we all know the fate of dinosaurs.
Hello notscot, i wondered when you where going to rock in with your self opinionated school prefect PC drivel. "Sniping stereotyping libelling and mud slinging" I dont think so, i am entitled to my opinion progressive liberal propaganda is not going to stop me from expressing myself, its a pity people like you do not have the back bone to do the same.
You really are unbelieveably dense!!! I don't agree with you and I've told you what I think of your ridiculous opinion - (and that of a few others) nothing to do with pc - I prefer the truth.
Would it be objectionable to accuse the entire priesthood of paedophilia? Yes - because it would be untrue.
Would it be objectionable to accuse all white single males of being serial killers? Yes, because it's not true.
But you snivel like a child when I object to your accusation that Sir Ian is a danger to children because he is a homosexual and that homosexuals are, by default, paedophiles.
Don't post tripe and you won't find people objecting to it.
[quote][p][bold]freddie_W[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]notscot[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]freddie_W[/bold] wrote: You cant beat a good controversial debate shed, i think that's probably the end of this one. until the next time.[/p][/quote]What debate - controversial or otherwise? You mean a few dinosaurs sniping, stereotyping, libelling and generally mud-slinging? Good grief. Thankfully - we all know the fate of dinosaurs.[/p][/quote]Hello notscot, i wondered when you where going to rock in with your self opinionated school prefect PC drivel. "Sniping stereotyping libelling and mud slinging" I dont think so, i am entitled to my opinion progressive liberal propaganda is not going to stop me from expressing myself, its a pity people like you do not have the back bone to do the same.[/p][/quote]You really are unbelieveably dense!!! I don't agree with you and I've told you what I think of your ridiculous opinion - (and that of a few others) nothing to do with pc - I prefer the truth. Would it be objectionable to accuse the entire priesthood of paedophilia? Yes - because it would be untrue. Would it be objectionable to accuse all white single males of being serial killers? Yes, because it's not true. But you snivel like a child when I object to your accusation that Sir Ian is a danger to children because he is a homosexual and that homosexuals are, by default, paedophiles. Don't post tripe and you won't find people objecting to it. notscot
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9:40pm Thu 22 Nov 12

shed says...

notscot comes in, time to sign off.
notscot comes in, time to sign off. shed
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9:45pm Thu 22 Nov 12

notscot says...

shed wrote:
notscot comes in, time to sign off.
Good enough.
[quote][p][bold]shed[/bold] wrote: notscot comes in, time to sign off.[/p][/quote]Good enough. notscot
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9:47pm Thu 22 Nov 12

Hardens says...

I must applaud shed and freddy for parodying homophobia and bullying on a public forum in a valiant effort to assist the local schools' anti-bullying campaign, well done guys, some would say you went a a bit OTT but not me, I think you got it just right - good job!
I must applaud shed and freddy for parodying homophobia and bullying on a public forum in a valiant effort to assist the local schools' anti-bullying campaign, well done guys, some would say you went a a bit OTT but not me, I think you got it just right - good job! Hardens
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9:48pm Thu 22 Nov 12

Hardens says...

I must applaud shed and freddy for parodying homophobia and bullying on a public forum in a valiant effort to assist the local schools' anti-bullying campaign, well done guys, some would say you went a a bit OTT but not me, I think you got it just right - good job!
I must applaud shed and freddy for parodying homophobia and bullying on a public forum in a valiant effort to assist the local schools' anti-bullying campaign, well done guys, some would say you went a a bit OTT but not me, I think you got it just right - good job! Hardens
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9:55pm Thu 22 Nov 12

Hardens says...

and I went a bit OTT by hitting "Submit" twice obviously...
and I went a bit OTT by hitting "Submit" twice obviously... Hardens
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