Luongo to travel to Brazil

Massimo Luongo

Massimo Luongo

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SWINDON Town midfielder Massimo Luongo is edging closer to fulfilling his dream of playing at the World Cup as he prepares to travel to Brazil as part of Australia's 27-man preliminary squad.

The former Tottenham man was part of the Socceroos' original squad of 30 players but didn't see any game time during his country's clash with South Africa earlier this week.

Australia boss Ange Postecoglou has now cut three players from that squad as the team prepare to travel to Brazil, with Luongo maintaining his place.

Four more players will be cut from the squad when Postecoglou names his final party for the tournament on June 2.

Asked if he had a final squad in mind, Postecoglou said: “It's nice to work in definitive measures but the reality of football is that every day things change.

“We had a starting line up in our head all week but had to change it four or five times...that's still going to be the case right up until we play Croatia.

“You just don't know how the players are going to cope with all that. To say I have 23 in my mind I don't.

“It's up to the remaining 27 players to realise how quickly the opportunity they now have in front of them can evaporate.”

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10:31am Tue 27 May 14

Chish and Fips says...

Travelling to Brazil ... must be nuts......
Travelling to Brazil ... must be nuts...... Chish and Fips
  • Score: -3

10:39am Tue 27 May 14

outlaw2 says...

Mind yer maracas Mass. Them Brazillian girls are dynamite
Mind yer maracas Mass. Them Brazillian girls are dynamite outlaw2
  • Score: 0

11:19am Tue 27 May 14

port de soller says...

Good luck to the player a spurs reserve to Town player then in the OZ National Team well done.
(no doubt Jed an his crew are rubbing there hands together thinking what they will make if he is sold)
At least semi good news to-day but would be nice to get this court thing sorted.As every day it goes on you get feeling will STFC be here next season???
Good luck to the player a spurs reserve to Town player then in the OZ National Team well done. (no doubt Jed an his crew are rubbing there hands together thinking what they will make if he is sold) At least semi good news to-day but would be nice to get this court thing sorted.As every day it goes on you get feeling will STFC be here next season??? port de soller
  • Score: -13

11:29am Tue 27 May 14

Next Tuesday says...

Hopefully Luongo’s inclusion in the squad will put him in the shop window and hasten his departure from the County Ground after his dreadful form last term.

Got to be the worst 400K signing since Darren Bullock in the mid-90s, although at least Bullock had a bit of skill about him.

Come on you Socceroos, we need you to go as far as possible if we have any hope of getting our money back.
Hopefully Luongo’s inclusion in the squad will put him in the shop window and hasten his departure from the County Ground after his dreadful form last term. Got to be the worst 400K signing since Darren Bullock in the mid-90s, although at least Bullock had a bit of skill about him. Come on you Socceroos, we need you to go as far as possible if we have any hope of getting our money back. Next Tuesday
  • Score: -60

11:53am Tue 27 May 14

As far as I go says...

This shows how poor the AUS team must be if a League 1 player is being considered for a World cup place.

The sad thing is. when you consider the players England will take, players with both PL & CL experience we will probably end up finishing in the same position.
Both teams going out at the group stage finishing bottom of the group.
This shows how poor the AUS team must be if a League 1 player is being considered for a World cup place. The sad thing is. when you consider the players England will take, players with both PL & CL experience we will probably end up finishing in the same position. Both teams going out at the group stage finishing bottom of the group. As far as I go
  • Score: -16

11:59am Tue 27 May 14

Rebel_phish says...

Next Tuesday wrote:
Hopefully Luongo’s inclusion in the squad will put him in the shop window and hasten his departure from the County Ground after his dreadful form last term.

Got to be the worst 400K signing since Darren Bullock in the mid-90s, although at least Bullock had a bit of skill about him.

Come on you Socceroos, we need you to go as far as possible if we have any hope of getting our money back.
Harsh and unwarranted comments

Hope Mass does get to Brazil, he deserves his inclusion as reward for a good productive season.
[quote][p][bold]Next Tuesday[/bold] wrote: Hopefully Luongo’s inclusion in the squad will put him in the shop window and hasten his departure from the County Ground after his dreadful form last term. Got to be the worst 400K signing since Darren Bullock in the mid-90s, although at least Bullock had a bit of skill about him. Come on you Socceroos, we need you to go as far as possible if we have any hope of getting our money back.[/p][/quote]Harsh and unwarranted comments Hope Mass does get to Brazil, he deserves his inclusion as reward for a good productive season. Rebel_phish
  • Score: 18

12:26pm Tue 27 May 14

Oi Den! says...

Rebel, I thought you might have cottoned on to the theme of NT's posts by now. He is having a laugh.

I actually thought Luongo's season was quite a disappointment. He seemed to promise a lot more when he arrived at the end of the previous term. He's got great ability but didn't show it enough last season. Can't see how his efforts deserve international recognition, although I hope he does play and I hope he does well.
Rebel, I thought you might have cottoned on to the theme of NT's posts by now. He is having a laugh. I actually thought Luongo's season was quite a disappointment. He seemed to promise a lot more when he arrived at the end of the previous term. He's got great ability but didn't show it enough last season. Can't see how his efforts deserve international recognition, although I hope he does play and I hope he does well. Oi Den!
  • Score: -3

12:33pm Tue 27 May 14

Swindon1984 says...

Rebel_phish wrote:
Next Tuesday wrote:
Hopefully Luongo’s inclusion in the squad will put him in the shop window and hasten his departure from the County Ground after his dreadful form last term.

Got to be the worst 400K signing since Darren Bullock in the mid-90s, although at least Bullock had a bit of skill about him.

Come on you Socceroos, we need you to go as far as possible if we have any hope of getting our money back.
Harsh and unwarranted comments

Hope Mass does get to Brazil, he deserves his inclusion as reward for a good productive season.
I had a lot of time for Bullock, could be a dirty player but gave his all, took a decent free kick as well.
[quote][p][bold]Rebel_phish[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Next Tuesday[/bold] wrote: Hopefully Luongo’s inclusion in the squad will put him in the shop window and hasten his departure from the County Ground after his dreadful form last term. Got to be the worst 400K signing since Darren Bullock in the mid-90s, although at least Bullock had a bit of skill about him. Come on you Socceroos, we need you to go as far as possible if we have any hope of getting our money back.[/p][/quote]Harsh and unwarranted comments Hope Mass does get to Brazil, he deserves his inclusion as reward for a good productive season.[/p][/quote]I had a lot of time for Bullock, could be a dirty player but gave his all, took a decent free kick as well. Swindon1984
  • Score: 4

12:56pm Tue 27 May 14

London Red says...

I'm delighted for Mass and think the stick he has taken this season is unwarrented and undeserved
.
He is a 20 year old kid playing his first proper season as a pro - makes the most appearances for the club with 53 - and yet is deemd to have been a disappointment!
.
He is not the finished article and should not be expected to be the main player in our team - its no wonder we are struggling to develop players if we rip them apart so young!
.
If he was over 24 and and been up and down then yes - you could say it was a disappointing season - but as a kid it should be expected
.
The thing is they should learn from this and hopefully we will see more from Mass next term as he will have an entire campaign under his belt
.
He has a great chance of stayting in Brazil as 2 of the 3 axed were midfielders - so they must be top heavy in other areas now!
.
Also don't think he is going to play - but to be part of the Socceroos future - the "fat" Ronaldo went to the USA World Cup at 17 and didn't feature at all - purely with the basis of making him part of the Brazil squad so when he was ready to step up he had experience of travelling
.
I'm certain it is that thinking which saw Hodgeson select Shaw over Cole etc
.
This is great news for both Mass and STFC - and I'm delighted to potentially seeing only the 3rd ever STFC player appear at the World Cup
I'm delighted for Mass and think the stick he has taken this season is unwarrented and undeserved . He is a 20 year old kid playing his first proper season as a pro - makes the most appearances for the club with 53 - and yet is deemd to have been a disappointment! . He is not the finished article and should not be expected to be the main player in our team - its no wonder we are struggling to develop players if we rip them apart so young! . If he was over 24 and and been up and down then yes - you could say it was a disappointing season - but as a kid it should be expected . The thing is they should learn from this and hopefully we will see more from Mass next term as he will have an entire campaign under his belt . He has a great chance of stayting in Brazil as 2 of the 3 axed were midfielders - so they must be top heavy in other areas now! . Also don't think he is going to play - but to be part of the Socceroos future - the "fat" Ronaldo went to the USA World Cup at 17 and didn't feature at all - purely with the basis of making him part of the Brazil squad so when he was ready to step up he had experience of travelling . I'm certain it is that thinking which saw Hodgeson select Shaw over Cole etc . This is great news for both Mass and STFC - and I'm delighted to potentially seeing only the 3rd ever STFC player appear at the World Cup London Red
  • Score: 18

1:00pm Tue 27 May 14

Oi Den! says...

London Red wrote:
I'm delighted for Mass and think the stick he has taken this season is unwarrented and undeserved
.
He is a 20 year old kid playing his first proper season as a pro - makes the most appearances for the club with 53 - and yet is deemd to have been a disappointment!
.
He is not the finished article and should not be expected to be the main player in our team - its no wonder we are struggling to develop players if we rip them apart so young!
.
If he was over 24 and and been up and down then yes - you could say it was a disappointing season - but as a kid it should be expected
.
The thing is they should learn from this and hopefully we will see more from Mass next term as he will have an entire campaign under his belt
.
He has a great chance of stayting in Brazil as 2 of the 3 axed were midfielders - so they must be top heavy in other areas now!
.
Also don't think he is going to play - but to be part of the Socceroos future - the "fat" Ronaldo went to the USA World Cup at 17 and didn't feature at all - purely with the basis of making him part of the Brazil squad so when he was ready to step up he had experience of travelling
.
I'm certain it is that thinking which saw Hodgeson select Shaw over Cole etc
.
This is great news for both Mass and STFC - and I'm delighted to potentially seeing only the 3rd ever STFC player appear at the World Cup
Who's ripping him apart? LR, why do you have to use such emotive language just because someone expresses an opinion that differs from yours?
[quote][p][bold]London Red[/bold] wrote: I'm delighted for Mass and think the stick he has taken this season is unwarrented and undeserved . He is a 20 year old kid playing his first proper season as a pro - makes the most appearances for the club with 53 - and yet is deemd to have been a disappointment! . He is not the finished article and should not be expected to be the main player in our team - its no wonder we are struggling to develop players if we rip them apart so young! . If he was over 24 and and been up and down then yes - you could say it was a disappointing season - but as a kid it should be expected . The thing is they should learn from this and hopefully we will see more from Mass next term as he will have an entire campaign under his belt . He has a great chance of stayting in Brazil as 2 of the 3 axed were midfielders - so they must be top heavy in other areas now! . Also don't think he is going to play - but to be part of the Socceroos future - the "fat" Ronaldo went to the USA World Cup at 17 and didn't feature at all - purely with the basis of making him part of the Brazil squad so when he was ready to step up he had experience of travelling . I'm certain it is that thinking which saw Hodgeson select Shaw over Cole etc . This is great news for both Mass and STFC - and I'm delighted to potentially seeing only the 3rd ever STFC player appear at the World Cup[/p][/quote]Who's ripping him apart? LR, why do you have to use such emotive language just because someone expresses an opinion that differs from yours? Oi Den!
  • Score: -4

1:04pm Tue 27 May 14

TJG2907 says...

Next Tuesday wrote:
Hopefully Luongo’s inclusion in the squad will put him in the shop window and hasten his departure from the County Ground after his dreadful form last term.

Got to be the worst 400K signing since Darren Bullock in the mid-90s, although at least Bullock had a bit of skill about him.

Come on you Socceroos, we need you to go as far as possible if we have any hope of getting our money back.
Yeah, did you go to any matches last year? Seems a very odd
Comment to make about a player who has been consistently
Solid and creative in the middle.
[quote][p][bold]Next Tuesday[/bold] wrote: Hopefully Luongo’s inclusion in the squad will put him in the shop window and hasten his departure from the County Ground after his dreadful form last term. Got to be the worst 400K signing since Darren Bullock in the mid-90s, although at least Bullock had a bit of skill about him. Come on you Socceroos, we need you to go as far as possible if we have any hope of getting our money back.[/p][/quote]Yeah, did you go to any matches last year? Seems a very odd Comment to make about a player who has been consistently Solid and creative in the middle. TJG2907
  • Score: 5

1:04pm Tue 27 May 14

Swindon1984 says...

London Red wrote:
I'm delighted for Mass and think the stick he has taken this season is unwarrented and undeserved . He is a 20 year old kid playing his first proper season as a pro - makes the most appearances for the club with 53 - and yet is deemd to have been a disappointment! . He is not the finished article and should not be expected to be the main player in our team - its no wonder we are struggling to develop players if we rip them apart so young! . If he was over 24 and and been up and down then yes - you could say it was a disappointing season - but as a kid it should be expected . The thing is they should learn from this and hopefully we will see more from Mass next term as he will have an entire campaign under his belt . He has a great chance of stayting in Brazil as 2 of the 3 axed were midfielders - so they must be top heavy in other areas now! . Also don't think he is going to play - but to be part of the Socceroos future - the "fat" Ronaldo went to the USA World Cup at 17 and didn't feature at all - purely with the basis of making him part of the Brazil squad so when he was ready to step up he had experience of travelling . I'm certain it is that thinking which saw Hodgeson select Shaw over Cole etc . This is great news for both Mass and STFC - and I'm delighted to potentially seeing only the 3rd ever STFC player appear at the World Cup
Don't see him as having a disappointing season myself - he's not always been consistent but clearly has talent and has put in on average better showings than some of the more experienced players we've had in the past few years. Don't think we can complain about the price tag either, if you look at the amount even average journeymen at this level sign for then having a big prospect for the future signed from a premiership club looks a lot better value.

There are very few really poor international sides anymore (if you take out the Andorra's and so forth) and Australia are after all in the world cup, and not for the first time - if you look at how many town players have been in the world cup finals over the years having a current one in there whilst we're in the third tier isn't bad going at all.
[quote][p][bold]London Red[/bold] wrote: I'm delighted for Mass and think the stick he has taken this season is unwarrented and undeserved . He is a 20 year old kid playing his first proper season as a pro - makes the most appearances for the club with 53 - and yet is deemd to have been a disappointment! . He is not the finished article and should not be expected to be the main player in our team - its no wonder we are struggling to develop players if we rip them apart so young! . If he was over 24 and and been up and down then yes - you could say it was a disappointing season - but as a kid it should be expected . The thing is they should learn from this and hopefully we will see more from Mass next term as he will have an entire campaign under his belt . He has a great chance of stayting in Brazil as 2 of the 3 axed were midfielders - so they must be top heavy in other areas now! . Also don't think he is going to play - but to be part of the Socceroos future - the "fat" Ronaldo went to the USA World Cup at 17 and didn't feature at all - purely with the basis of making him part of the Brazil squad so when he was ready to step up he had experience of travelling . I'm certain it is that thinking which saw Hodgeson select Shaw over Cole etc . This is great news for both Mass and STFC - and I'm delighted to potentially seeing only the 3rd ever STFC player appear at the World Cup[/p][/quote]Don't see him as having a disappointing season myself - he's not always been consistent but clearly has talent and has put in on average better showings than some of the more experienced players we've had in the past few years. Don't think we can complain about the price tag either, if you look at the amount even average journeymen at this level sign for then having a big prospect for the future signed from a premiership club looks a lot better value. There are very few really poor international sides anymore (if you take out the Andorra's and so forth) and Australia are after all in the world cup, and not for the first time - if you look at how many town players have been in the world cup finals over the years having a current one in there whilst we're in the third tier isn't bad going at all. Swindon1984
  • Score: 9

1:24pm Tue 27 May 14

the wizard says...

I think it is fair to say that for his first full season like any other player of his age, he has had good, indifferent and a few bad games,like ALL pro's over that number of games. While on occasion he has shone quite brightly he has also been invisible in a couple of others, and that can be said of many players. If there is one just down side to his game, that is his head drops very easily if we go behind, especially against some of the lower placed teams we played who we should have beaten. His presence in those games was not, against stubborn opposition, what it perhaps should have been.. He has to learn how to counter teams that dominate in his area of the park, but some of that is down to experience and lack of it. It will come but heads up young man, as you will be judged harshly at this top level. Good luck, and all players will need that, especially those already established at this level as more will be expected of them.
I think it is fair to say that for his first full season like any other player of his age, he has had good, indifferent and a few bad games,like ALL pro's over that number of games. While on occasion he has shone quite brightly he has also been invisible in a couple of others, and that can be said of many players. If there is one just down side to his game, that is his head drops very easily if we go behind, especially against some of the lower placed teams we played who we should have beaten. His presence in those games was not, against stubborn opposition, what it perhaps should have been.. He has to learn how to counter teams that dominate in his area of the park, but some of that is down to experience and lack of it. It will come but heads up young man, as you will be judged harshly at this top level. Good luck, and all players will need that, especially those already established at this level as more will be expected of them. the wizard
  • Score: 2

1:24pm Tue 27 May 14

London Red says...

Oi Den! wrote:
London Red wrote: I'm delighted for Mass and think the stick he has taken this season is unwarrented and undeserved . He is a 20 year old kid playing his first proper season as a pro - makes the most appearances for the club with 53 - and yet is deemd to have been a disappointment! . He is not the finished article and should not be expected to be the main player in our team - its no wonder we are struggling to develop players if we rip them apart so young! . If he was over 24 and and been up and down then yes - you could say it was a disappointing season - but as a kid it should be expected . The thing is they should learn from this and hopefully we will see more from Mass next term as he will have an entire campaign under his belt . He has a great chance of stayting in Brazil as 2 of the 3 axed were midfielders - so they must be top heavy in other areas now! . Also don't think he is going to play - but to be part of the Socceroos future - the "fat" Ronaldo went to the USA World Cup at 17 and didn't feature at all - purely with the basis of making him part of the Brazil squad so when he was ready to step up he had experience of travelling . I'm certain it is that thinking which saw Hodgeson select Shaw over Cole etc . This is great news for both Mass and STFC - and I'm delighted to potentially seeing only the 3rd ever STFC player appear at the World Cup
Who's ripping him apart? LR, why do you have to use such emotive language just because someone expresses an opinion that differs from yours?
I never said it was your post - there have been lots of articles where he has been totally slated recently - which is what I was referring too
.
If you think you fit in that category that your issue not mine
.
As for emotive language - its called passion for the club and the players I beleive can take us where we want to be!
.
Mass is part of key core and should be praised by our fans not slated!
.
He has never let the club down when here on loan or since joining
.
Even in his "up and down" season he should clearly be considered in the top 5 perfromers in 2013/14 alongside Wes, Thompson x2, Byrne and Pritchard
.
Obviously Pritchard is gone - but the other 4 remain and add in Troy and there is the core we should be building the team around
.
Hopefully for next term we have a loanee in Stephens in there as that would then provide us with the solid platform to build from
.
It would be our back 5 and centrla midfield where we just need to add some attacking flair to out wide and up top
.
We possibly have a starting point in Smith and Williams - just need a couple more - be that loanees or perm - I don't care as long as they a good and will help us challenge at the top
[quote][p][bold]Oi Den![/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]London Red[/bold] wrote: I'm delighted for Mass and think the stick he has taken this season is unwarrented and undeserved . He is a 20 year old kid playing his first proper season as a pro - makes the most appearances for the club with 53 - and yet is deemd to have been a disappointment! . He is not the finished article and should not be expected to be the main player in our team - its no wonder we are struggling to develop players if we rip them apart so young! . If he was over 24 and and been up and down then yes - you could say it was a disappointing season - but as a kid it should be expected . The thing is they should learn from this and hopefully we will see more from Mass next term as he will have an entire campaign under his belt . He has a great chance of stayting in Brazil as 2 of the 3 axed were midfielders - so they must be top heavy in other areas now! . Also don't think he is going to play - but to be part of the Socceroos future - the "fat" Ronaldo went to the USA World Cup at 17 and didn't feature at all - purely with the basis of making him part of the Brazil squad so when he was ready to step up he had experience of travelling . I'm certain it is that thinking which saw Hodgeson select Shaw over Cole etc . This is great news for both Mass and STFC - and I'm delighted to potentially seeing only the 3rd ever STFC player appear at the World Cup[/p][/quote]Who's ripping him apart? LR, why do you have to use such emotive language just because someone expresses an opinion that differs from yours?[/p][/quote]I never said it was your post - there have been lots of articles where he has been totally slated recently - which is what I was referring too . If you think you fit in that category that your issue not mine . As for emotive language - its called passion for the club and the players I beleive can take us where we want to be! . Mass is part of key core and should be praised by our fans not slated! . He has never let the club down when here on loan or since joining . Even in his "up and down" season he should clearly be considered in the top 5 perfromers in 2013/14 alongside Wes, Thompson x2, Byrne and Pritchard . Obviously Pritchard is gone - but the other 4 remain and add in Troy and there is the core we should be building the team around . Hopefully for next term we have a loanee in Stephens in there as that would then provide us with the solid platform to build from . It would be our back 5 and centrla midfield where we just need to add some attacking flair to out wide and up top . We possibly have a starting point in Smith and Williams - just need a couple more - be that loanees or perm - I don't care as long as they a good and will help us challenge at the top London Red
  • Score: 5

1:31pm Tue 27 May 14

London Red says...

the wizard wrote:
I think it is fair to say that for his first full season like any other player of his age, he has had good, indifferent and a few bad games,like ALL pro's over that number of games. While on occasion he has shone quite brightly he has also been invisible in a couple of others, and that can be said of many players. If there is one just down side to his game, that is his head drops very easily if we go behind, especially against some of the lower placed teams we played who we should have beaten. His presence in those games was not, against stubborn opposition, what it perhaps should have been.. He has to learn how to counter teams that dominate in his area of the park, but some of that is down to experience and lack of it. It will come but heads up young man, as you will be judged harshly at this top level. Good luck, and all players will need that, especially those already established at this level as more will be expected of them.
That true - Nathan Thompson and Wes both had a few poor games term as well - but thats expected as they are young
.
Kasim also was hit and miss - and miss a lot more than Mass
.
But as you say that is expected of kids
.
What we want to see if the Management Team working on the aspects of their game which lead to the miss and them taking experiences from this season so those misses become less next year and less again the year after
.
I honestly believe this core group is the best w ehave had for a while and if we can keep them together and add a few more to them we will really see something exciting happen
.
We obviously need to add a few older workhorses to balance it out - then the head dropping thing might not occur if an experienced pro is there geeing you up and talking you through a game
.
Its a shame our old herads of Ward and Harley were the disappointment this year as they didn't deliver to the standards expected!
.
I guess that is the biggest situation Power now faces of getting the balance of the books and the team right!
[quote][p][bold]the wizard[/bold] wrote: I think it is fair to say that for his first full season like any other player of his age, he has had good, indifferent and a few bad games,like ALL pro's over that number of games. While on occasion he has shone quite brightly he has also been invisible in a couple of others, and that can be said of many players. If there is one just down side to his game, that is his head drops very easily if we go behind, especially against some of the lower placed teams we played who we should have beaten. His presence in those games was not, against stubborn opposition, what it perhaps should have been.. He has to learn how to counter teams that dominate in his area of the park, but some of that is down to experience and lack of it. It will come but heads up young man, as you will be judged harshly at this top level. Good luck, and all players will need that, especially those already established at this level as more will be expected of them.[/p][/quote]That true - Nathan Thompson and Wes both had a few poor games term as well - but thats expected as they are young . Kasim also was hit and miss - and miss a lot more than Mass . But as you say that is expected of kids . What we want to see if the Management Team working on the aspects of their game which lead to the miss and them taking experiences from this season so those misses become less next year and less again the year after . I honestly believe this core group is the best w ehave had for a while and if we can keep them together and add a few more to them we will really see something exciting happen . We obviously need to add a few older workhorses to balance it out - then the head dropping thing might not occur if an experienced pro is there geeing you up and talking you through a game . Its a shame our old herads of Ward and Harley were the disappointment this year as they didn't deliver to the standards expected! . I guess that is the biggest situation Power now faces of getting the balance of the books and the team right! London Red
  • Score: 5

3:02pm Tue 27 May 14

The artist formerly known as Marmite Soldier says...

Next Tuesday wrote:
Hopefully Luongo’s inclusion in the squad will put him in the shop window and hasten his departure from the County Ground after his dreadful form last term.

Got to be the worst 400K signing since Darren Bullock in the mid-90s, although at least Bullock had a bit of skill about him.

Come on you Socceroos, we need you to go as far as possible if we have any hope of getting our money back.
Ah ha!

Next Tuesday revealed himself last week as a tongue in cheek merchant. He doesn't catch me out again!
[quote][p][bold]Next Tuesday[/bold] wrote: Hopefully Luongo’s inclusion in the squad will put him in the shop window and hasten his departure from the County Ground after his dreadful form last term. Got to be the worst 400K signing since Darren Bullock in the mid-90s, although at least Bullock had a bit of skill about him. Come on you Socceroos, we need you to go as far as possible if we have any hope of getting our money back.[/p][/quote]Ah ha! Next Tuesday revealed himself last week as a tongue in cheek merchant. He doesn't catch me out again! The artist formerly known as Marmite Soldier
  • Score: 0

3:07pm Tue 27 May 14

the wizard says...

London Red wrote:
the wizard wrote:
I think it is fair to say that for his first full season like any other player of his age, he has had good, indifferent and a few bad games,like ALL pro's over that number of games. While on occasion he has shone quite brightly he has also been invisible in a couple of others, and that can be said of many players. If there is one just down side to his game, that is his head drops very easily if we go behind, especially against some of the lower placed teams we played who we should have beaten. His presence in those games was not, against stubborn opposition, what it perhaps should have been.. He has to learn how to counter teams that dominate in his area of the park, but some of that is down to experience and lack of it. It will come but heads up young man, as you will be judged harshly at this top level. Good luck, and all players will need that, especially those already established at this level as more will be expected of them.
That true - Nathan Thompson and Wes both had a few poor games term as well - but thats expected as they are young
.
Kasim also was hit and miss - and miss a lot more than Mass
.
But as you say that is expected of kids
.
What we want to see if the Management Team working on the aspects of their game which lead to the miss and them taking experiences from this season so those misses become less next year and less again the year after
.
I honestly believe this core group is the best w ehave had for a while and if we can keep them together and add a few more to them we will really see something exciting happen
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We obviously need to add a few older workhorses to balance it out - then the head dropping thing might not occur if an experienced pro is there geeing you up and talking you through a game
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Its a shame our old herads of Ward and Harley were the disappointment this year as they didn't deliver to the standards expected!
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I guess that is the biggest situation Power now faces of getting the balance of the books and the team right!
Agreed, and, If we could get him back here then, Alan Macca, whose runs through the park from the back always seemed to serve as a wake up call would be good inspiration. The stance of "well look at me and if I can do it then so can you" set a good example. However, the flip side3 was always the last 15 minutes when his red mist dropped, but for the rest of the game his positivity was good and we did miss that during this last term. Only citing him as an example, but that drive and determination often turned games, and that is what the young guys need, an on-field example, there and then, WITH them, encouraging, the odd tap on the back and a well done in their ear, its all about inspiration, leadership and confidence, all qualities that need demonstrating on the field of play and nor something necessarily given in the changing room at half time.
[quote][p][bold]London Red[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]the wizard[/bold] wrote: I think it is fair to say that for his first full season like any other player of his age, he has had good, indifferent and a few bad games,like ALL pro's over that number of games. While on occasion he has shone quite brightly he has also been invisible in a couple of others, and that can be said of many players. If there is one just down side to his game, that is his head drops very easily if we go behind, especially against some of the lower placed teams we played who we should have beaten. His presence in those games was not, against stubborn opposition, what it perhaps should have been.. He has to learn how to counter teams that dominate in his area of the park, but some of that is down to experience and lack of it. It will come but heads up young man, as you will be judged harshly at this top level. Good luck, and all players will need that, especially those already established at this level as more will be expected of them.[/p][/quote]That true - Nathan Thompson and Wes both had a few poor games term as well - but thats expected as they are young . Kasim also was hit and miss - and miss a lot more than Mass . But as you say that is expected of kids . What we want to see if the Management Team working on the aspects of their game which lead to the miss and them taking experiences from this season so those misses become less next year and less again the year after . I honestly believe this core group is the best w ehave had for a while and if we can keep them together and add a few more to them we will really see something exciting happen . We obviously need to add a few older workhorses to balance it out - then the head dropping thing might not occur if an experienced pro is there geeing you up and talking you through a game . Its a shame our old herads of Ward and Harley were the disappointment this year as they didn't deliver to the standards expected! . I guess that is the biggest situation Power now faces of getting the balance of the books and the team right![/p][/quote]Agreed, and, If we could get him back here then, Alan Macca, whose runs through the park from the back always seemed to serve as a wake up call would be good inspiration. The stance of "well look at me and if I can do it then so can you" set a good example. However, the flip side3 was always the last 15 minutes when his red mist dropped, but for the rest of the game his positivity was good and we did miss that during this last term. Only citing him as an example, but that drive and determination often turned games, and that is what the young guys need, an on-field example, there and then, WITH them, encouraging, the odd tap on the back and a well done in their ear, its all about inspiration, leadership and confidence, all qualities that need demonstrating on the field of play and nor something necessarily given in the changing room at half time. the wizard
  • Score: 1

5:30pm Tue 27 May 14

Oi Den! says...

London Red wrote:
Oi Den! wrote:
London Red wrote: I'm delighted for Mass and think the stick he has taken this season is unwarrented and undeserved . He is a 20 year old kid playing his first proper season as a pro - makes the most appearances for the club with 53 - and yet is deemd to have been a disappointment! . He is not the finished article and should not be expected to be the main player in our team - its no wonder we are struggling to develop players if we rip them apart so young! . If he was over 24 and and been up and down then yes - you could say it was a disappointing season - but as a kid it should be expected . The thing is they should learn from this and hopefully we will see more from Mass next term as he will have an entire campaign under his belt . He has a great chance of stayting in Brazil as 2 of the 3 axed were midfielders - so they must be top heavy in other areas now! . Also don't think he is going to play - but to be part of the Socceroos future - the "fat" Ronaldo went to the USA World Cup at 17 and didn't feature at all - purely with the basis of making him part of the Brazil squad so when he was ready to step up he had experience of travelling . I'm certain it is that thinking which saw Hodgeson select Shaw over Cole etc . This is great news for both Mass and STFC - and I'm delighted to potentially seeing only the 3rd ever STFC player appear at the World Cup
Who's ripping him apart? LR, why do you have to use such emotive language just because someone expresses an opinion that differs from yours?
I never said it was your post - there have been lots of articles where he has been totally slated recently - which is what I was referring too
.
If you think you fit in that category that your issue not mine
.
As for emotive language - its called passion for the club and the players I beleive can take us where we want to be!
.
Mass is part of key core and should be praised by our fans not slated!
.
He has never let the club down when here on loan or since joining
.
Even in his "up and down" season he should clearly be considered in the top 5 perfromers in 2013/14 alongside Wes, Thompson x2, Byrne and Pritchard
.
Obviously Pritchard is gone - but the other 4 remain and add in Troy and there is the core we should be building the team around
.
Hopefully for next term we have a loanee in Stephens in there as that would then provide us with the solid platform to build from
.
It would be our back 5 and centrla midfield where we just need to add some attacking flair to out wide and up top
.
We possibly have a starting point in Smith and Williams - just need a couple more - be that loanees or perm - I don't care as long as they a good and will help us challenge at the top
To be honest LR, I don't think any of our players had a great season, as evidenced by Nathan Thompson winning the Player of the Year award, so I wouldn't have much trouble agreeing with you that Luongo was in the top five. I've said all along that I think he's one of the best players in the club. With that in mind, I think what we saw of him overall last season was below what he can do - in other words, quite disappointing. You have dished out a fair bit of stick to Andy Williams in the last few months. With the possible exception of one game, he busted a gut for the Town but that didn't stop you laying into a player who, as you seem to recognise, could yet prove to be very effective for us. Is that what you call passion for the club and support for our players?
[quote][p][bold]London Red[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Oi Den![/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]London Red[/bold] wrote: I'm delighted for Mass and think the stick he has taken this season is unwarrented and undeserved . He is a 20 year old kid playing his first proper season as a pro - makes the most appearances for the club with 53 - and yet is deemd to have been a disappointment! . He is not the finished article and should not be expected to be the main player in our team - its no wonder we are struggling to develop players if we rip them apart so young! . If he was over 24 and and been up and down then yes - you could say it was a disappointing season - but as a kid it should be expected . The thing is they should learn from this and hopefully we will see more from Mass next term as he will have an entire campaign under his belt . He has a great chance of stayting in Brazil as 2 of the 3 axed were midfielders - so they must be top heavy in other areas now! . Also don't think he is going to play - but to be part of the Socceroos future - the "fat" Ronaldo went to the USA World Cup at 17 and didn't feature at all - purely with the basis of making him part of the Brazil squad so when he was ready to step up he had experience of travelling . I'm certain it is that thinking which saw Hodgeson select Shaw over Cole etc . This is great news for both Mass and STFC - and I'm delighted to potentially seeing only the 3rd ever STFC player appear at the World Cup[/p][/quote]Who's ripping him apart? LR, why do you have to use such emotive language just because someone expresses an opinion that differs from yours?[/p][/quote]I never said it was your post - there have been lots of articles where he has been totally slated recently - which is what I was referring too . If you think you fit in that category that your issue not mine . As for emotive language - its called passion for the club and the players I beleive can take us where we want to be! . Mass is part of key core and should be praised by our fans not slated! . He has never let the club down when here on loan or since joining . Even in his "up and down" season he should clearly be considered in the top 5 perfromers in 2013/14 alongside Wes, Thompson x2, Byrne and Pritchard . Obviously Pritchard is gone - but the other 4 remain and add in Troy and there is the core we should be building the team around . Hopefully for next term we have a loanee in Stephens in there as that would then provide us with the solid platform to build from . It would be our back 5 and centrla midfield where we just need to add some attacking flair to out wide and up top . We possibly have a starting point in Smith and Williams - just need a couple more - be that loanees or perm - I don't care as long as they a good and will help us challenge at the top[/p][/quote]To be honest LR, I don't think any of our players had a great season, as evidenced by Nathan Thompson winning the Player of the Year award, so I wouldn't have much trouble agreeing with you that Luongo was in the top five. I've said all along that I think he's one of the best players in the club. With that in mind, I think what we saw of him overall last season was below what he can do - in other words, quite disappointing. You have dished out a fair bit of stick to Andy Williams in the last few months. With the possible exception of one game, he busted a gut for the Town but that didn't stop you laying into a player who, as you seem to recognise, could yet prove to be very effective for us. Is that what you call passion for the club and support for our players? Oi Den!
  • Score: -2

6:44pm Tue 27 May 14

dazzastfc says...

Oi Den! wrote:
London Red wrote:
Oi Den! wrote:
London Red wrote: I'm delighted for Mass and think the stick he has taken this season is unwarrented and undeserved . He is a 20 year old kid playing his first proper season as a pro - makes the most appearances for the club with 53 - and yet is deemd to have been a disappointment! . He is not the finished article and should not be expected to be the main player in our team - its no wonder we are struggling to develop players if we rip them apart so young! . If he was over 24 and and been up and down then yes - you could say it was a disappointing season - but as a kid it should be expected . The thing is they should learn from this and hopefully we will see more from Mass next term as he will have an entire campaign under his belt . He has a great chance of stayting in Brazil as 2 of the 3 axed were midfielders - so they must be top heavy in other areas now! . Also don't think he is going to play - but to be part of the Socceroos future - the "fat" Ronaldo went to the USA World Cup at 17 and didn't feature at all - purely with the basis of making him part of the Brazil squad so when he was ready to step up he had experience of travelling . I'm certain it is that thinking which saw Hodgeson select Shaw over Cole etc . This is great news for both Mass and STFC - and I'm delighted to potentially seeing only the 3rd ever STFC player appear at the World Cup
Who's ripping him apart? LR, why do you have to use such emotive language just because someone expresses an opinion that differs from yours?
I never said it was your post - there have been lots of articles where he has been totally slated recently - which is what I was referring too
.
If you think you fit in that category that your issue not mine
.
As for emotive language - its called passion for the club and the players I beleive can take us where we want to be!
.
Mass is part of key core and should be praised by our fans not slated!
.
He has never let the club down when here on loan or since joining
.
Even in his "up and down" season he should clearly be considered in the top 5 perfromers in 2013/14 alongside Wes, Thompson x2, Byrne and Pritchard
.
Obviously Pritchard is gone - but the other 4 remain and add in Troy and there is the core we should be building the team around
.
Hopefully for next term we have a loanee in Stephens in there as that would then provide us with the solid platform to build from
.
It would be our back 5 and centrla midfield where we just need to add some attacking flair to out wide and up top
.
We possibly have a starting point in Smith and Williams - just need a couple more - be that loanees or perm - I don't care as long as they a good and will help us challenge at the top
To be honest LR, I don't think any of our players had a great season, as evidenced by Nathan Thompson winning the Player of the Year award, so I wouldn't have much trouble agreeing with you that Luongo was in the top five. I've said all along that I think he's one of the best players in the club. With that in mind, I think what we saw of him overall last season was below what he can do - in other words, quite disappointing. You have dished out a fair bit of stick to Andy Williams in the last few months. With the possible exception of one game, he busted a gut for the Town but that didn't stop you laying into a player who, as you seem to recognise, could yet prove to be very effective for us. Is that what you call passion for the club and support for our players?
Spot on Den....
With the players we have at the club right now I find it very hard to see were we will be next season as I also think the quality we have RIGHT NOW is very poor and with the cowboys who are supposed to be running the club who ever it may be I cant see it getting ant better if anything worse ?
[quote][p][bold]Oi Den![/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]London Red[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Oi Den![/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]London Red[/bold] wrote: I'm delighted for Mass and think the stick he has taken this season is unwarrented and undeserved . He is a 20 year old kid playing his first proper season as a pro - makes the most appearances for the club with 53 - and yet is deemd to have been a disappointment! . He is not the finished article and should not be expected to be the main player in our team - its no wonder we are struggling to develop players if we rip them apart so young! . If he was over 24 and and been up and down then yes - you could say it was a disappointing season - but as a kid it should be expected . The thing is they should learn from this and hopefully we will see more from Mass next term as he will have an entire campaign under his belt . He has a great chance of stayting in Brazil as 2 of the 3 axed were midfielders - so they must be top heavy in other areas now! . Also don't think he is going to play - but to be part of the Socceroos future - the "fat" Ronaldo went to the USA World Cup at 17 and didn't feature at all - purely with the basis of making him part of the Brazil squad so when he was ready to step up he had experience of travelling . I'm certain it is that thinking which saw Hodgeson select Shaw over Cole etc . This is great news for both Mass and STFC - and I'm delighted to potentially seeing only the 3rd ever STFC player appear at the World Cup[/p][/quote]Who's ripping him apart? LR, why do you have to use such emotive language just because someone expresses an opinion that differs from yours?[/p][/quote]I never said it was your post - there have been lots of articles where he has been totally slated recently - which is what I was referring too . If you think you fit in that category that your issue not mine . As for emotive language - its called passion for the club and the players I beleive can take us where we want to be! . Mass is part of key core and should be praised by our fans not slated! . He has never let the club down when here on loan or since joining . Even in his "up and down" season he should clearly be considered in the top 5 perfromers in 2013/14 alongside Wes, Thompson x2, Byrne and Pritchard . Obviously Pritchard is gone - but the other 4 remain and add in Troy and there is the core we should be building the team around . Hopefully for next term we have a loanee in Stephens in there as that would then provide us with the solid platform to build from . It would be our back 5 and centrla midfield where we just need to add some attacking flair to out wide and up top . We possibly have a starting point in Smith and Williams - just need a couple more - be that loanees or perm - I don't care as long as they a good and will help us challenge at the top[/p][/quote]To be honest LR, I don't think any of our players had a great season, as evidenced by Nathan Thompson winning the Player of the Year award, so I wouldn't have much trouble agreeing with you that Luongo was in the top five. I've said all along that I think he's one of the best players in the club. With that in mind, I think what we saw of him overall last season was below what he can do - in other words, quite disappointing. You have dished out a fair bit of stick to Andy Williams in the last few months. With the possible exception of one game, he busted a gut for the Town but that didn't stop you laying into a player who, as you seem to recognise, could yet prove to be very effective for us. Is that what you call passion for the club and support for our players?[/p][/quote]Spot on Den.... With the players we have at the club right now I find it very hard to see were we will be next season as I also think the quality we have RIGHT NOW is very poor and with the cowboys who are supposed to be running the club who ever it may be I cant see it getting ant better if anything worse ? dazzastfc
  • Score: -3

9:58pm Tue 27 May 14

London Red says...

Oi Den! wrote:
London Red wrote:
Oi Den! wrote:
London Red wrote: I'm delighted for Mass and think the stick he has taken this season is unwarrented and undeserved . He is a 20 year old kid playing his first proper season as a pro - makes the most appearances for the club with 53 - and yet is deemd to have been a disappointment! . He is not the finished article and should not be expected to be the main player in our team - its no wonder we are struggling to develop players if we rip them apart so young! . If he was over 24 and and been up and down then yes - you could say it was a disappointing season - but as a kid it should be expected . The thing is they should learn from this and hopefully we will see more from Mass next term as he will have an entire campaign under his belt . He has a great chance of stayting in Brazil as 2 of the 3 axed were midfielders - so they must be top heavy in other areas now! . Also don't think he is going to play - but to be part of the Socceroos future - the "fat" Ronaldo went to the USA World Cup at 17 and didn't feature at all - purely with the basis of making him part of the Brazil squad so when he was ready to step up he had experience of travelling . I'm certain it is that thinking which saw Hodgeson select Shaw over Cole etc . This is great news for both Mass and STFC - and I'm delighted to potentially seeing only the 3rd ever STFC player appear at the World Cup
Who's ripping him apart? LR, why do you have to use such emotive language just because someone expresses an opinion that differs from yours?
I never said it was your post - there have been lots of articles where he has been totally slated recently - which is what I was referring too
.
If you think you fit in that category that your issue not mine
.
As for emotive language - its called passion for the club and the players I beleive can take us where we want to be!
.
Mass is part of key core and should be praised by our fans not slated!
.
He has never let the club down when here on loan or since joining
.
Even in his "up and down" season he should clearly be considered in the top 5 perfromers in 2013/14 alongside Wes, Thompson x2, Byrne and Pritchard
.
Obviously Pritchard is gone - but the other 4 remain and add in Troy and there is the core we should be building the team around
.
Hopefully for next term we have a loanee in Stephens in there as that would then provide us with the solid platform to build from
.
It would be our back 5 and centrla midfield where we just need to add some attacking flair to out wide and up top
.
We possibly have a starting point in Smith and Williams - just need a couple more - be that loanees or perm - I don't care as long as they a good and will help us challenge at the top
To be honest LR, I don't think any of our players had a great season, as evidenced by Nathan Thompson winning the Player of the Year award, so I wouldn't have much trouble agreeing with you that Luongo was in the top five. I've said all along that I think he's one of the best players in the club. With that in mind, I think what we saw of him overall last season was below what he can do - in other words, quite disappointing. You have dished out a fair bit of stick to Andy Williams in the last few months. With the possible exception of one game, he busted a gut for the Town but that didn't stop you laying into a player who, as you seem to recognise, could yet prove to be very effective for us. Is that what you call passion for the club and support for our players?
Williams is not a kid - but was our marquee signing on a massive wage!
.
Now that is why I was unimpressed with him when he failed to deliver as a striker
.
Now I do appreciate he is not a poor player at L1 level and if used wisely (wide forward in the 3 behind the target man) then he could be a threat as he is very pacey (well before his injury) and can run with it
.
If he is not the forward maybe the pressure will be off and he could deliver more than just running around - Michael Smith ran around a lot - but was still poor in games like Orient away and Sheff at home!
.
The reason why I think the current squad need a break is they are not 27/28 marquee signings - if they were I would say they were disappointing like Harley and Ward were this season and a lot of PdC final squad were
[quote][p][bold]Oi Den![/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]London Red[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Oi Den![/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]London Red[/bold] wrote: I'm delighted for Mass and think the stick he has taken this season is unwarrented and undeserved . He is a 20 year old kid playing his first proper season as a pro - makes the most appearances for the club with 53 - and yet is deemd to have been a disappointment! . He is not the finished article and should not be expected to be the main player in our team - its no wonder we are struggling to develop players if we rip them apart so young! . If he was over 24 and and been up and down then yes - you could say it was a disappointing season - but as a kid it should be expected . The thing is they should learn from this and hopefully we will see more from Mass next term as he will have an entire campaign under his belt . He has a great chance of stayting in Brazil as 2 of the 3 axed were midfielders - so they must be top heavy in other areas now! . Also don't think he is going to play - but to be part of the Socceroos future - the "fat" Ronaldo went to the USA World Cup at 17 and didn't feature at all - purely with the basis of making him part of the Brazil squad so when he was ready to step up he had experience of travelling . I'm certain it is that thinking which saw Hodgeson select Shaw over Cole etc . This is great news for both Mass and STFC - and I'm delighted to potentially seeing only the 3rd ever STFC player appear at the World Cup[/p][/quote]Who's ripping him apart? LR, why do you have to use such emotive language just because someone expresses an opinion that differs from yours?[/p][/quote]I never said it was your post - there have been lots of articles where he has been totally slated recently - which is what I was referring too . If you think you fit in that category that your issue not mine . As for emotive language - its called passion for the club and the players I beleive can take us where we want to be! . Mass is part of key core and should be praised by our fans not slated! . He has never let the club down when here on loan or since joining . Even in his "up and down" season he should clearly be considered in the top 5 perfromers in 2013/14 alongside Wes, Thompson x2, Byrne and Pritchard . Obviously Pritchard is gone - but the other 4 remain and add in Troy and there is the core we should be building the team around . Hopefully for next term we have a loanee in Stephens in there as that would then provide us with the solid platform to build from . It would be our back 5 and centrla midfield where we just need to add some attacking flair to out wide and up top . We possibly have a starting point in Smith and Williams - just need a couple more - be that loanees or perm - I don't care as long as they a good and will help us challenge at the top[/p][/quote]To be honest LR, I don't think any of our players had a great season, as evidenced by Nathan Thompson winning the Player of the Year award, so I wouldn't have much trouble agreeing with you that Luongo was in the top five. I've said all along that I think he's one of the best players in the club. With that in mind, I think what we saw of him overall last season was below what he can do - in other words, quite disappointing. You have dished out a fair bit of stick to Andy Williams in the last few months. With the possible exception of one game, he busted a gut for the Town but that didn't stop you laying into a player who, as you seem to recognise, could yet prove to be very effective for us. Is that what you call passion for the club and support for our players?[/p][/quote]Williams is not a kid - but was our marquee signing on a massive wage! . Now that is why I was unimpressed with him when he failed to deliver as a striker . Now I do appreciate he is not a poor player at L1 level and if used wisely (wide forward in the 3 behind the target man) then he could be a threat as he is very pacey (well before his injury) and can run with it . If he is not the forward maybe the pressure will be off and he could deliver more than just running around - Michael Smith ran around a lot - but was still poor in games like Orient away and Sheff at home! . The reason why I think the current squad need a break is they are not 27/28 marquee signings - if they were I would say they were disappointing like Harley and Ward were this season and a lot of PdC final squad were London Red
  • Score: 3

10:31pm Tue 27 May 14

Di kanny oh says...

Next Tuesday wrote:
Hopefully Luongo’s inclusion in the squad will put him in the shop window and hasten his departure from the County Ground after his dreadful form last term.

Got to be the worst 400K signing since Darren Bullock in the mid-90s, although at least Bullock had a bit of skill about him.

Come on you Socceroos, we need you to go as far as possible if we have any hope of getting our money back.
MINUS 44 tells you the answer to your comments.
[quote][p][bold]Next Tuesday[/bold] wrote: Hopefully Luongo’s inclusion in the squad will put him in the shop window and hasten his departure from the County Ground after his dreadful form last term. Got to be the worst 400K signing since Darren Bullock in the mid-90s, although at least Bullock had a bit of skill about him. Come on you Socceroos, we need you to go as far as possible if we have any hope of getting our money back.[/p][/quote]MINUS 44 tells you the answer to your comments. Di kanny oh
  • Score: 0

10:33pm Tue 27 May 14

Oi Den! says...

I don't see why a player's age or the level of his wages should dictate the level of our support for him. The only players who don't deserve our full support are those who don't try - and I think we could all name a few of those from over the years. Suggesting that a player has not had a great season does not imply any lack of support.
I don't see why a player's age or the level of his wages should dictate the level of our support for him. The only players who don't deserve our full support are those who don't try - and I think we could all name a few of those from over the years. Suggesting that a player has not had a great season does not imply any lack of support. Oi Den!
  • Score: -2

10:39pm Tue 27 May 14

The Jockster says...

If we're looking at Wilma as being a starting point with Smith then we're clearly going to struggle to hit the onion bag.
I'm more concerned with the "silence is golden" theme that appears to be de riguer at the CG - where's Inspector Mors(e)head? get digging and play it again Sam- find out when the ownership issue will be resolved and what the nitty gritty is - can't be that difficult surely? Why not ask Power or the Jedi what the crux is? Mind you not sure Billy Bullsh!t would tell the true facts!
If we're looking at Wilma as being a starting point with Smith then we're clearly going to struggle to hit the onion bag. I'm more concerned with the "silence is golden" theme that appears to be de riguer at the CG - where's Inspector Mors(e)head? get digging and play it again Sam- find out when the ownership issue will be resolved and what the nitty gritty is - can't be that difficult surely? Why not ask Power or the Jedi what the crux is? Mind you not sure Billy Bullsh!t would tell the true facts! The Jockster
  • Score: -1

8:28am Wed 28 May 14

old town robin says...

Hope Luango is kept in their final squad of 23. it will do him the world of good for his prestige. He did have a few poor games last season but quite honestly I think that can be put down to being over played.too many times when he looked knackered. 53 games are a lot, but i think we saw a big improvement against Rotherham after he had an enforced rest because of injury.

If we are to see him become more consistent next season, then it's down to Cooper to use him more wisely, if he has a bad game or two, he deserves to be dropped the same as any other player. I don't think that was the case last season where he seemed to be Coopers first choice no matter what.
Hope Luango is kept in their final squad of 23. it will do him the world of good for his prestige. He did have a few poor games last season but quite honestly I think that can be put down to being over played.too many times when he looked knackered. 53 games are a lot, but i think we saw a big improvement against Rotherham after he had an enforced rest because of injury. If we are to see him become more consistent next season, then it's down to Cooper to use him more wisely, if he has a bad game or two, he deserves to be dropped the same as any other player. I don't think that was the case last season where he seemed to be Coopers first choice no matter what. old town robin
  • Score: 0

9:44am Wed 28 May 14

London Red says...

Oi Den! wrote:
I don't see why a player's age or the level of his wages should dictate the level of our support for him. The only players who don't deserve our full support are those who don't try - and I think we could all name a few of those from over the years. Suggesting that a player has not had a great season does not imply any lack of support.
Of course age and wages come into it as it is about setting an expectation
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If a young lad signed on low wages comes in you don't expect him to be a world beater - therefore, when they are up and down as all kids are you expect it and look at their potential
.
However if a mature player comes in on big wages you expect them to deliver - no excuses!
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Then of they don't you are more critical of them
.
It's no different to 10/11 when we were relegated and embarrassed when the likes of Prutton, Sheehan and Douglas failed to deliver yet the kids like Ferry Caddis Ritchie and Flint were still respected as they were not the ones expected to deliver
.
Roberts, Williams, Miller Navarro and even McEveley were all major disappointments last season as they were the players signed to get us up and did nothing!
.
Harley and Ward fall into that category this season as the old pros who didn't really deliver
.
Now I will expect more from the Core of Wes, Thompson x2, Byrne and Luongo next season as they will be that bit older and more experienced so need to show improvement
.
I still don't expect them to be perfect as still in their early twenties - but have less miss games
.
Williams if he stays will assume the role of old head and he and Harley really
Need to step up compared to last time - as as the old head that is what is expected of them!
[quote][p][bold]Oi Den![/bold] wrote: I don't see why a player's age or the level of his wages should dictate the level of our support for him. The only players who don't deserve our full support are those who don't try - and I think we could all name a few of those from over the years. Suggesting that a player has not had a great season does not imply any lack of support.[/p][/quote]Of course age and wages come into it as it is about setting an expectation . If a young lad signed on low wages comes in you don't expect him to be a world beater - therefore, when they are up and down as all kids are you expect it and look at their potential . However if a mature player comes in on big wages you expect them to deliver - no excuses! . Then of they don't you are more critical of them . It's no different to 10/11 when we were relegated and embarrassed when the likes of Prutton, Sheehan and Douglas failed to deliver yet the kids like Ferry Caddis Ritchie and Flint were still respected as they were not the ones expected to deliver . Roberts, Williams, Miller Navarro and even McEveley were all major disappointments last season as they were the players signed to get us up and did nothing! . Harley and Ward fall into that category this season as the old pros who didn't really deliver . Now I will expect more from the Core of Wes, Thompson x2, Byrne and Luongo next season as they will be that bit older and more experienced so need to show improvement . I still don't expect them to be perfect as still in their early twenties - but have less miss games . Williams if he stays will assume the role of old head and he and Harley really Need to step up compared to last time - as as the old head that is what is expected of them! London Red
  • Score: 0

10:42am Wed 28 May 14

the wizard says...

It may all be pie in the sky over our loans now as Sherwood has been replace3d at Spurs. I just wonder now where he will end up, here maybe? funny old game footie, you can just never predict what is coming next, Blacks rapid exit just underlining that.
It may all be pie in the sky over our loans now as Sherwood has been replace3d at Spurs. I just wonder now where he will end up, here maybe? funny old game footie, you can just never predict what is coming next, Blacks rapid exit just underlining that. the wizard
  • Score: 0

10:43am Wed 28 May 14

London Red says...

The Jockster wrote:
If we're looking at Wilma as being a starting point with Smith then we're clearly going to struggle to hit the onion bag.
I'm more concerned with the "silence is golden" theme that appears to be de riguer at the CG - where's Inspector Mors(e)head? get digging and play it again Sam- find out when the ownership issue will be resolved and what the nitty gritty is - can't be that difficult surely? Why not ask Power or the Jedi what the crux is? Mind you not sure Billy Bullsh!t would tell the true facts!
While we would all love a Parkin, Cox or Austin
.
Or better still a Parkin/Mooney or Austin/Paynter partnership - that is a rare commodity - look at Chelsea struggling for goal scorers and Arsenal too!
.
Smith's record is pretty decent with what 18 last season
.
Yes he needs to improve aspects of his game - but with a full season and decent service he could be 20 a year
.
Williams as support should get 10-15
.
Luongo needs to step up - make the attacking spot his and get into double figures - we saw flashes this season and he got 6 so that should be his target
.
Thompson, Kasim or Harley need a few more from deep say 5 - All have shown they can score so let's see a few more!
.
The fullbacks need to keep chipping in so Byrne and N.Thompson should also be looking at 5
.
Then it would be nice to see the CBs actually score one or two! Did we have one last season from a CB? And Rossi's OG doesn't count
.
Add that all up and we are close to 70 - well above this year and in line with Promoted Brentford and with Posh - who had a goal scorer in their ranks!
.
Plus we will have a few more from subs etc - so we should be fine - especially if Troy signs on and Stephens comes back - the main issue was not scoring but conceding last year - cut out 20 odd mistakes which have away goals and you then only need 1 or 2 a game not 3 to get the points!
[quote][p][bold]The Jockster[/bold] wrote: If we're looking at Wilma as being a starting point with Smith then we're clearly going to struggle to hit the onion bag. I'm more concerned with the "silence is golden" theme that appears to be de riguer at the CG - where's Inspector Mors(e)head? get digging and play it again Sam- find out when the ownership issue will be resolved and what the nitty gritty is - can't be that difficult surely? Why not ask Power or the Jedi what the crux is? Mind you not sure Billy Bullsh!t would tell the true facts![/p][/quote]While we would all love a Parkin, Cox or Austin . Or better still a Parkin/Mooney or Austin/Paynter partnership - that is a rare commodity - look at Chelsea struggling for goal scorers and Arsenal too! . Smith's record is pretty decent with what 18 last season . Yes he needs to improve aspects of his game - but with a full season and decent service he could be 20 a year . Williams as support should get 10-15 . Luongo needs to step up - make the attacking spot his and get into double figures - we saw flashes this season and he got 6 so that should be his target . Thompson, Kasim or Harley need a few more from deep say 5 - All have shown they can score so let's see a few more! . The fullbacks need to keep chipping in so Byrne and N.Thompson should also be looking at 5 . Then it would be nice to see the CBs actually score one or two! Did we have one last season from a CB? And Rossi's OG doesn't count . Add that all up and we are close to 70 - well above this year and in line with Promoted Brentford and with Posh - who had a goal scorer in their ranks! . Plus we will have a few more from subs etc - so we should be fine - especially if Troy signs on and Stephens comes back - the main issue was not scoring but conceding last year - cut out 20 odd mistakes which have away goals and you then only need 1 or 2 a game not 3 to get the points! London Red
  • Score: 0

11:08am Wed 28 May 14

Oi Den! says...

LR, all players suffer bad form. Even if Williams is a poor player (which I don't think he is), it's hardly his fault that our club offered him a good deal. Sometimes players hit a bad patch or just fail to settle in. All we can ask of our players - young or experienced, well paid or otherwise - is that they try their best. As long as they do that, I see no reason not to give them our full support.

I stick by my view that Luongo was quite disappointing last season. Dare I say that I might have based my view on more games than you saw him play?
LR, all players suffer bad form. Even if Williams is a poor player (which I don't think he is), it's hardly his fault that our club offered him a good deal. Sometimes players hit a bad patch or just fail to settle in. All we can ask of our players - young or experienced, well paid or otherwise - is that they try their best. As long as they do that, I see no reason not to give them our full support. I stick by my view that Luongo was quite disappointing last season. Dare I say that I might have based my view on more games than you saw him play? Oi Den!
  • Score: 1

11:21am Wed 28 May 14

Oi Den! says...

London Red wrote:
The Jockster wrote:
If we're looking at Wilma as being a starting point with Smith then we're clearly going to struggle to hit the onion bag.
I'm more concerned with the "silence is golden" theme that appears to be de riguer at the CG - where's Inspector Mors(e)head? get digging and play it again Sam- find out when the ownership issue will be resolved and what the nitty gritty is - can't be that difficult surely? Why not ask Power or the Jedi what the crux is? Mind you not sure Billy Bullsh!t would tell the true facts!
While we would all love a Parkin, Cox or Austin
.
Or better still a Parkin/Mooney or Austin/Paynter partnership - that is a rare commodity - look at Chelsea struggling for goal scorers and Arsenal too!
.
Smith's record is pretty decent with what 18 last season
.
Yes he needs to improve aspects of his game - but with a full season and decent service he could be 20 a year
.
Williams as support should get 10-15
.
Luongo needs to step up - make the attacking spot his and get into double figures - we saw flashes this season and he got 6 so that should be his target
.
Thompson, Kasim or Harley need a few more from deep say 5 - All have shown they can score so let's see a few more!
.
The fullbacks need to keep chipping in so Byrne and N.Thompson should also be looking at 5
.
Then it would be nice to see the CBs actually score one or two! Did we have one last season from a CB? And Rossi's OG doesn't count
.
Add that all up and we are close to 70 - well above this year and in line with Promoted Brentford and with Posh - who had a goal scorer in their ranks!
.
Plus we will have a few more from subs etc - so we should be fine - especially if Troy signs on and Stephens comes back - the main issue was not scoring but conceding last year - cut out 20 odd mistakes which have away goals and you then only need 1 or 2 a game not 3 to get the points!
Phew! That's alright then.
[quote][p][bold]London Red[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The Jockster[/bold] wrote: If we're looking at Wilma as being a starting point with Smith then we're clearly going to struggle to hit the onion bag. I'm more concerned with the "silence is golden" theme that appears to be de riguer at the CG - where's Inspector Mors(e)head? get digging and play it again Sam- find out when the ownership issue will be resolved and what the nitty gritty is - can't be that difficult surely? Why not ask Power or the Jedi what the crux is? Mind you not sure Billy Bullsh!t would tell the true facts![/p][/quote]While we would all love a Parkin, Cox or Austin . Or better still a Parkin/Mooney or Austin/Paynter partnership - that is a rare commodity - look at Chelsea struggling for goal scorers and Arsenal too! . Smith's record is pretty decent with what 18 last season . Yes he needs to improve aspects of his game - but with a full season and decent service he could be 20 a year . Williams as support should get 10-15 . Luongo needs to step up - make the attacking spot his and get into double figures - we saw flashes this season and he got 6 so that should be his target . Thompson, Kasim or Harley need a few more from deep say 5 - All have shown they can score so let's see a few more! . The fullbacks need to keep chipping in so Byrne and N.Thompson should also be looking at 5 . Then it would be nice to see the CBs actually score one or two! Did we have one last season from a CB? And Rossi's OG doesn't count . Add that all up and we are close to 70 - well above this year and in line with Promoted Brentford and with Posh - who had a goal scorer in their ranks! . Plus we will have a few more from subs etc - so we should be fine - especially if Troy signs on and Stephens comes back - the main issue was not scoring but conceding last year - cut out 20 odd mistakes which have away goals and you then only need 1 or 2 a game not 3 to get the points![/p][/quote]Phew! That's alright then. Oi Den!
  • Score: 1

1:04pm Wed 28 May 14

London Red says...

Oi Den! wrote:
LR, all players suffer bad form. Even if Williams is a poor player (which I don't think he is), it's hardly his fault that our club offered him a good deal. Sometimes players hit a bad patch or just fail to settle in. All we can ask of our players - young or experienced, well paid or otherwise - is that they try their best. As long as they do that, I see no reason not to give them our full support. I stick by my view that Luongo was quite disappointing last season. Dare I say that I might have based my view on more games than you saw him play?
Patch of bad form doesn't ususally last an entire season and you do seem to be in a minority when it comes to Williams that he was an asset for us - hard work alone is not really an asset
.
I never said he was a poor player - I saids he was/is a poor forward!
.
11 in 40+ is not really a good return - unless you are a Heskey or Ranger for us and you are there to do another job - ie hold it up and bring others into play etc
.
No its not his fault we offered him a big contract - but he did demand it and to me if you demand big you should deliver big - or face the backlash
.
Roberts by the way gets far more stick for not delivering but taking loads - especially as he had the nerve to tweet he only signed for the money!
.
I doubt Williams asked for X and we went no have 4X instead!
.
As for Luongo - I may not have seen all of his 53 games - but like every year did see about 15 games - which he played in all of them as he played pretty much every game - these were across the season home and away and gave a good view as to how Luongo (and others) contributed
,
I saw him put in some excellent performances, good performances, average perfromances and a few poor performances (and in the last game all 4 in one game!) - but substitute Luongo for pretty much any other player (including Hall) I saw them do the same!
.
Now as I've said I understand our squad are mainly kids and we will have ups and downs because of that - so the odd poor game is understandable - but what we want to see is them improve and learn - so expectations on the likes of Luongo, Byrne and Smith will be higher next season
.
Now what I personally want to see is Cooper give him that attacking spot in midfield and tell him to play like 2nd half Rotherham and have others do the "donkey work" behind him - then I think we will see more from him
.
Then as I said earlier I expect to see more excellent and good performances than average and poor as he should be getting better with age and experience
.
Williams I'm prepared to give a clean slate too - but at 28/29 expect him to deliver as he is not a kid and he should be top heavy in excellent and good performances - and that means more than just running around a lot!
[quote][p][bold]Oi Den![/bold] wrote: LR, all players suffer bad form. Even if Williams is a poor player (which I don't think he is), it's hardly his fault that our club offered him a good deal. Sometimes players hit a bad patch or just fail to settle in. All we can ask of our players - young or experienced, well paid or otherwise - is that they try their best. As long as they do that, I see no reason not to give them our full support. I stick by my view that Luongo was quite disappointing last season. Dare I say that I might have based my view on more games than you saw him play?[/p][/quote]Patch of bad form doesn't ususally last an entire season and you do seem to be in a minority when it comes to Williams that he was an asset for us - hard work alone is not really an asset . I never said he was a poor player - I saids he was/is a poor forward! . 11 in 40+ is not really a good return - unless you are a Heskey or Ranger for us and you are there to do another job - ie hold it up and bring others into play etc . No its not his fault we offered him a big contract - but he did demand it and to me if you demand big you should deliver big - or face the backlash . Roberts by the way gets far more stick for not delivering but taking loads - especially as he had the nerve to tweet he only signed for the money! . I doubt Williams asked for X and we went no have 4X instead! . As for Luongo - I may not have seen all of his 53 games - but like every year did see about 15 games - which he played in all of them as he played pretty much every game - these were across the season home and away and gave a good view as to how Luongo (and others) contributed , I saw him put in some excellent performances, good performances, average perfromances and a few poor performances (and in the last game all 4 in one game!) - but substitute Luongo for pretty much any other player (including Hall) I saw them do the same! . Now as I've said I understand our squad are mainly kids and we will have ups and downs because of that - so the odd poor game is understandable - but what we want to see is them improve and learn - so expectations on the likes of Luongo, Byrne and Smith will be higher next season . Now what I personally want to see is Cooper give him that attacking spot in midfield and tell him to play like 2nd half Rotherham and have others do the "donkey work" behind him - then I think we will see more from him . Then as I said earlier I expect to see more excellent and good performances than average and poor as he should be getting better with age and experience . Williams I'm prepared to give a clean slate too - but at 28/29 expect him to deliver as he is not a kid and he should be top heavy in excellent and good performances - and that means more than just running around a lot! London Red
  • Score: 0

5:05pm Wed 28 May 14

Swindon1984 says...

London Red wrote:
The Jockster wrote: If we're looking at Wilma as being a starting point with Smith then we're clearly going to struggle to hit the onion bag. I'm more concerned with the "silence is golden" theme that appears to be de riguer at the CG - where's Inspector Mors(e)head? get digging and play it again Sam- find out when the ownership issue will be resolved and what the nitty gritty is - can't be that difficult surely? Why not ask Power or the Jedi what the crux is? Mind you not sure Billy Bullsh!t would tell the true facts!
While we would all love a Parkin, Cox or Austin . Or better still a Parkin/Mooney or Austin/Paynter partnership - that is a rare commodity - look at Chelsea struggling for goal scorers and Arsenal too! . Smith's record is pretty decent with what 18 last season . Yes he needs to improve aspects of his game - but with a full season and decent service he could be 20 a year . Williams as support should get 10-15 . Luongo needs to step up - make the attacking spot his and get into double figures - we saw flashes this season and he got 6 so that should be his target . Thompson, Kasim or Harley need a few more from deep say 5 - All have shown they can score so let's see a few more! . The fullbacks need to keep chipping in so Byrne and N.Thompson should also be looking at 5 . Then it would be nice to see the CBs actually score one or two! Did we have one last season from a CB? And Rossi's OG doesn't count . Add that all up and we are close to 70 - well above this year and in line with Promoted Brentford and with Posh - who had a goal scorer in their ranks! . Plus we will have a few more from subs etc - so we should be fine - especially if Troy signs on and Stephens comes back - the main issue was not scoring but conceding last year - cut out 20 odd mistakes which have away goals and you then only need 1 or 2 a game not 3 to get the points!
Have to disagree with a lot of this - the goals you're projecting us getting aren't borne out by previous records (especially Williams with 15 goals supporting a 20 goal smith - you've said yourself you consider Williams to be a poor forward).

Smith scored 7 league goals for us last term, nowhere close to 18. Dany N'Guessan was our top league goal scorer managing 8 before getting frozen out.

We conceded only one more goal than both Peterborough and Rotherham - both top sixs sides and Rotherham gaining promotion - so conceding goals alone surely not the problem.

We scored a fair amount less than any of the others in the top six, but even this doesn't explain the league position.

Bottom line we lost too many games and won too few. Many of the games we lost to weaker opposition which on paper you'd think we would have won. This is believe is ultimately what cost us (still reckon it wasn't the worst season though, given all the turmoil, just disappointing because it wouldn't have taken too much more for us to have gotten a top six finish).

As a side note, much as I'd love to have Troy and Stephens here, I can't see it happening myself, certainly not both.
[quote][p][bold]London Red[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The Jockster[/bold] wrote: If we're looking at Wilma as being a starting point with Smith then we're clearly going to struggle to hit the onion bag. I'm more concerned with the "silence is golden" theme that appears to be de riguer at the CG - where's Inspector Mors(e)head? get digging and play it again Sam- find out when the ownership issue will be resolved and what the nitty gritty is - can't be that difficult surely? Why not ask Power or the Jedi what the crux is? Mind you not sure Billy Bullsh!t would tell the true facts![/p][/quote]While we would all love a Parkin, Cox or Austin . Or better still a Parkin/Mooney or Austin/Paynter partnership - that is a rare commodity - look at Chelsea struggling for goal scorers and Arsenal too! . Smith's record is pretty decent with what 18 last season . Yes he needs to improve aspects of his game - but with a full season and decent service he could be 20 a year . Williams as support should get 10-15 . Luongo needs to step up - make the attacking spot his and get into double figures - we saw flashes this season and he got 6 so that should be his target . Thompson, Kasim or Harley need a few more from deep say 5 - All have shown they can score so let's see a few more! . The fullbacks need to keep chipping in so Byrne and N.Thompson should also be looking at 5 . Then it would be nice to see the CBs actually score one or two! Did we have one last season from a CB? And Rossi's OG doesn't count . Add that all up and we are close to 70 - well above this year and in line with Promoted Brentford and with Posh - who had a goal scorer in their ranks! . Plus we will have a few more from subs etc - so we should be fine - especially if Troy signs on and Stephens comes back - the main issue was not scoring but conceding last year - cut out 20 odd mistakes which have away goals and you then only need 1 or 2 a game not 3 to get the points![/p][/quote]Have to disagree with a lot of this - the goals you're projecting us getting aren't borne out by previous records (especially Williams with 15 goals supporting a 20 goal smith - you've said yourself you consider Williams to be a poor forward). Smith scored 7 league goals for us last term, nowhere close to 18. Dany N'Guessan was our top league goal scorer managing 8 before getting frozen out. We conceded only one more goal than both Peterborough and Rotherham - both top sixs sides and Rotherham gaining promotion - so conceding goals alone surely not the problem. We scored a fair amount less than any of the others in the top six, but even this doesn't explain the league position. Bottom line we lost too many games and won too few. Many of the games we lost to weaker opposition which on paper you'd think we would have won. This is believe is ultimately what cost us (still reckon it wasn't the worst season though, given all the turmoil, just disappointing because it wouldn't have taken too much more for us to have gotten a top six finish). As a side note, much as I'd love to have Troy and Stephens here, I can't see it happening myself, certainly not both. Swindon1984
  • Score: 1

8:16pm Wed 28 May 14

London Red says...

Swindon1984 wrote:
London Red wrote:
The Jockster wrote: If we're looking at Wilma as being a starting point with Smith then we're clearly going to struggle to hit the onion bag. I'm more concerned with the "silence is golden" theme that appears to be de riguer at the CG - where's Inspector Mors(e)head? get digging and play it again Sam- find out when the ownership issue will be resolved and what the nitty gritty is - can't be that difficult surely? Why not ask Power or the Jedi what the crux is? Mind you not sure Billy Bullsh!t would tell the true facts!
While we would all love a Parkin, Cox or Austin . Or better still a Parkin/Mooney or Austin/Paynter partnership - that is a rare commodity - look at Chelsea struggling for goal scorers and Arsenal too! . Smith's record is pretty decent with what 18 last season . Yes he needs to improve aspects of his game - but with a full season and decent service he could be 20 a year . Williams as support should get 10-15 . Luongo needs to step up - make the attacking spot his and get into double figures - we saw flashes this season and he got 6 so that should be his target . Thompson, Kasim or Harley need a few more from deep say 5 - All have shown they can score so let's see a few more! . The fullbacks need to keep chipping in so Byrne and N.Thompson should also be looking at 5 . Then it would be nice to see the CBs actually score one or two! Did we have one last season from a CB? And Rossi's OG doesn't count . Add that all up and we are close to 70 - well above this year and in line with Promoted Brentford and with Posh - who had a goal scorer in their ranks! . Plus we will have a few more from subs etc - so we should be fine - especially if Troy signs on and Stephens comes back - the main issue was not scoring but conceding last year - cut out 20 odd mistakes which have away goals and you then only need 1 or 2 a game not 3 to get the points!
Have to disagree with a lot of this - the goals you're projecting us getting aren't borne out by previous records (especially Williams with 15 goals supporting a 20 goal smith - you've said yourself you consider Williams to be a poor forward).

Smith scored 7 league goals for us last term, nowhere close to 18. Dany N'Guessan was our top league goal scorer managing 8 before getting frozen out.

We conceded only one more goal than both Peterborough and Rotherham - both top sixs sides and Rotherham gaining promotion - so conceding goals alone surely not the problem.

We scored a fair amount less than any of the others in the top six, but even this doesn't explain the league position.

Bottom line we lost too many games and won too few. Many of the games we lost to weaker opposition which on paper you'd think we would have won. This is believe is ultimately what cost us (still reckon it wasn't the worst season though, given all the turmoil, just disappointing because it wouldn't have taken too much more for us to have gotten a top six finish).

As a side note, much as I'd love to have Troy and Stephens here, I can't see it happening myself, certainly not both.
I did say 10-15 and he got 11 before - so that is the right ball park for Williams to be aiming for - anything less than double figures will be poor and anything above 15 would be great!
.
Smith scored goals at AFC before he came to us - so it might be 17 not 18 in total for him but was certainly a fair return for the season spread over 2 clubs
.
That is why I think a whole season here with decent support could see him get 20 - his GPP for us was pretty good and certainly above 20 a season
.
Goals were not his problem - it was his general hold up play - he was much better against Rotherham than Orient away and Sheff or Brentford at home for example - so if he continues like that he will be a asset - no Ranger but a good L1 player
.
Obviously conceding was not the only issue but there were lots of games where we gifted teams goals and that led to a draw or a defeat - Orient at home for example where an error let them equalise after 10 seconds and handed momentum to them!
[quote][p][bold]Swindon1984[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]London Red[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The Jockster[/bold] wrote: If we're looking at Wilma as being a starting point with Smith then we're clearly going to struggle to hit the onion bag. I'm more concerned with the "silence is golden" theme that appears to be de riguer at the CG - where's Inspector Mors(e)head? get digging and play it again Sam- find out when the ownership issue will be resolved and what the nitty gritty is - can't be that difficult surely? Why not ask Power or the Jedi what the crux is? Mind you not sure Billy Bullsh!t would tell the true facts![/p][/quote]While we would all love a Parkin, Cox or Austin . Or better still a Parkin/Mooney or Austin/Paynter partnership - that is a rare commodity - look at Chelsea struggling for goal scorers and Arsenal too! . Smith's record is pretty decent with what 18 last season . Yes he needs to improve aspects of his game - but with a full season and decent service he could be 20 a year . Williams as support should get 10-15 . Luongo needs to step up - make the attacking spot his and get into double figures - we saw flashes this season and he got 6 so that should be his target . Thompson, Kasim or Harley need a few more from deep say 5 - All have shown they can score so let's see a few more! . The fullbacks need to keep chipping in so Byrne and N.Thompson should also be looking at 5 . Then it would be nice to see the CBs actually score one or two! Did we have one last season from a CB? And Rossi's OG doesn't count . Add that all up and we are close to 70 - well above this year and in line with Promoted Brentford and with Posh - who had a goal scorer in their ranks! . Plus we will have a few more from subs etc - so we should be fine - especially if Troy signs on and Stephens comes back - the main issue was not scoring but conceding last year - cut out 20 odd mistakes which have away goals and you then only need 1 or 2 a game not 3 to get the points![/p][/quote]Have to disagree with a lot of this - the goals you're projecting us getting aren't borne out by previous records (especially Williams with 15 goals supporting a 20 goal smith - you've said yourself you consider Williams to be a poor forward). Smith scored 7 league goals for us last term, nowhere close to 18. Dany N'Guessan was our top league goal scorer managing 8 before getting frozen out. We conceded only one more goal than both Peterborough and Rotherham - both top sixs sides and Rotherham gaining promotion - so conceding goals alone surely not the problem. We scored a fair amount less than any of the others in the top six, but even this doesn't explain the league position. Bottom line we lost too many games and won too few. Many of the games we lost to weaker opposition which on paper you'd think we would have won. This is believe is ultimately what cost us (still reckon it wasn't the worst season though, given all the turmoil, just disappointing because it wouldn't have taken too much more for us to have gotten a top six finish). As a side note, much as I'd love to have Troy and Stephens here, I can't see it happening myself, certainly not both.[/p][/quote]I did say 10-15 and he got 11 before - so that is the right ball park for Williams to be aiming for - anything less than double figures will be poor and anything above 15 would be great! . Smith scored goals at AFC before he came to us - so it might be 17 not 18 in total for him but was certainly a fair return for the season spread over 2 clubs . That is why I think a whole season here with decent support could see him get 20 - his GPP for us was pretty good and certainly above 20 a season . Goals were not his problem - it was his general hold up play - he was much better against Rotherham than Orient away and Sheff or Brentford at home for example - so if he continues like that he will be a asset - no Ranger but a good L1 player . Obviously conceding was not the only issue but there were lots of games where we gifted teams goals and that led to a draw or a defeat - Orient at home for example where an error let them equalise after 10 seconds and handed momentum to them! London Red
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8:16pm Wed 28 May 14

London Red says...

I see the FL are to propose my idea as an alternative to the League 3 - an expanded JPT!
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Though they are planning a group stage where I was think just a bigger cup competition
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I like the idea as it spices up the JPT which lots hate anyway and stops the stupid L3 idea
I see the FL are to propose my idea as an alternative to the League 3 - an expanded JPT! . Though they are planning a group stage where I was think just a bigger cup competition . I like the idea as it spices up the JPT which lots hate anyway and stops the stupid L3 idea London Red
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12:17am Thu 29 May 14

mancrobin says...

dazzastfc wrote:
Oi Den! wrote:
London Red wrote:
Oi Den! wrote:
London Red wrote: I'm delighted for Mass and think the stick he has taken this season is unwarrented and undeserved . He is a 20 year old kid playing his first proper season as a pro - makes the most appearances for the club with 53 - and yet is deemd to have been a disappointment! . He is not the finished article and should not be expected to be the main player in our team - its no wonder we are struggling to develop players if we rip them apart so young! . If he was over 24 and and been up and down then yes - you could say it was a disappointing season - but as a kid it should be expected . The thing is they should learn from this and hopefully we will see more from Mass next term as he will have an entire campaign under his belt . He has a great chance of stayting in Brazil as 2 of the 3 axed were midfielders - so they must be top heavy in other areas now! . Also don't think he is going to play - but to be part of the Socceroos future - the "fat" Ronaldo went to the USA World Cup at 17 and didn't feature at all - purely with the basis of making him part of the Brazil squad so when he was ready to step up he had experience of travelling . I'm certain it is that thinking which saw Hodgeson select Shaw over Cole etc . This is great news for both Mass and STFC - and I'm delighted to potentially seeing only the 3rd ever STFC player appear at the World Cup
Who's ripping him apart? LR, why do you have to use such emotive language just because someone expresses an opinion that differs from yours?
I never said it was your post - there have been lots of articles where he has been totally slated recently - which is what I was referring too
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If you think you fit in that category that your issue not mine
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As for emotive language - its called passion for the club and the players I beleive can take us where we want to be!
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Mass is part of key core and should be praised by our fans not slated!
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He has never let the club down when here on loan or since joining
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Even in his "up and down" season he should clearly be considered in the top 5 perfromers in 2013/14 alongside Wes, Thompson x2, Byrne and Pritchard
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Obviously Pritchard is gone - but the other 4 remain and add in Troy and there is the core we should be building the team around
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Hopefully for next term we have a loanee in Stephens in there as that would then provide us with the solid platform to build from
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It would be our back 5 and centrla midfield where we just need to add some attacking flair to out wide and up top
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We possibly have a starting point in Smith and Williams - just need a couple more - be that loanees or perm - I don't care as long as they a good and will help us challenge at the top
To be honest LR, I don't think any of our players had a great season, as evidenced by Nathan Thompson winning the Player of the Year award, so I wouldn't have much trouble agreeing with you that Luongo was in the top five. I've said all along that I think he's one of the best players in the club. With that in mind, I think what we saw of him overall last season was below what he can do - in other words, quite disappointing. You have dished out a fair bit of stick to Andy Williams in the last few months. With the possible exception of one game, he busted a gut for the Town but that didn't stop you laying into a player who, as you seem to recognise, could yet prove to be very effective for us. Is that what you call passion for the club and support for our players?
Spot on Den....
With the players we have at the club right now I find it very hard to see were we will be next season as I also think the quality we have RIGHT NOW is very poor and with the cowboys who are supposed to be running the club who ever it may be I cant see it getting ant better if anything worse ?
I seem to remember you saw that last season Dazz. Relegation wasn't it?

We finished 8th.

Sick of all this doom and gloom cr@p. Let's just wait and see what the squad actually is before getting the razor blades out.
[quote][p][bold]dazzastfc[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Oi Den![/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]London Red[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Oi Den![/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]London Red[/bold] wrote: I'm delighted for Mass and think the stick he has taken this season is unwarrented and undeserved . He is a 20 year old kid playing his first proper season as a pro - makes the most appearances for the club with 53 - and yet is deemd to have been a disappointment! . He is not the finished article and should not be expected to be the main player in our team - its no wonder we are struggling to develop players if we rip them apart so young! . If he was over 24 and and been up and down then yes - you could say it was a disappointing season - but as a kid it should be expected . The thing is they should learn from this and hopefully we will see more from Mass next term as he will have an entire campaign under his belt . He has a great chance of stayting in Brazil as 2 of the 3 axed were midfielders - so they must be top heavy in other areas now! . Also don't think he is going to play - but to be part of the Socceroos future - the "fat" Ronaldo went to the USA World Cup at 17 and didn't feature at all - purely with the basis of making him part of the Brazil squad so when he was ready to step up he had experience of travelling . I'm certain it is that thinking which saw Hodgeson select Shaw over Cole etc . This is great news for both Mass and STFC - and I'm delighted to potentially seeing only the 3rd ever STFC player appear at the World Cup[/p][/quote]Who's ripping him apart? LR, why do you have to use such emotive language just because someone expresses an opinion that differs from yours?[/p][/quote]I never said it was your post - there have been lots of articles where he has been totally slated recently - which is what I was referring too . If you think you fit in that category that your issue not mine . As for emotive language - its called passion for the club and the players I beleive can take us where we want to be! . Mass is part of key core and should be praised by our fans not slated! . He has never let the club down when here on loan or since joining . Even in his "up and down" season he should clearly be considered in the top 5 perfromers in 2013/14 alongside Wes, Thompson x2, Byrne and Pritchard . Obviously Pritchard is gone - but the other 4 remain and add in Troy and there is the core we should be building the team around . Hopefully for next term we have a loanee in Stephens in there as that would then provide us with the solid platform to build from . It would be our back 5 and centrla midfield where we just need to add some attacking flair to out wide and up top . We possibly have a starting point in Smith and Williams - just need a couple more - be that loanees or perm - I don't care as long as they a good and will help us challenge at the top[/p][/quote]To be honest LR, I don't think any of our players had a great season, as evidenced by Nathan Thompson winning the Player of the Year award, so I wouldn't have much trouble agreeing with you that Luongo was in the top five. I've said all along that I think he's one of the best players in the club. With that in mind, I think what we saw of him overall last season was below what he can do - in other words, quite disappointing. You have dished out a fair bit of stick to Andy Williams in the last few months. With the possible exception of one game, he busted a gut for the Town but that didn't stop you laying into a player who, as you seem to recognise, could yet prove to be very effective for us. Is that what you call passion for the club and support for our players?[/p][/quote]Spot on Den.... With the players we have at the club right now I find it very hard to see were we will be next season as I also think the quality we have RIGHT NOW is very poor and with the cowboys who are supposed to be running the club who ever it may be I cant see it getting ant better if anything worse ?[/p][/quote]I seem to remember you saw that last season Dazz. Relegation wasn't it? We finished 8th. Sick of all this doom and gloom cr@p. Let's just wait and see what the squad actually is before getting the razor blades out. mancrobin
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5:56pm Thu 29 May 14

the wizard says...

I cannot see how any of us can start predicting goals and who is going to score what in the forthcoming season when the team is far from settled. Anything can happen between now and the first Saturday, and probably will. Although I share the sentiment of all here with the best will and intentions in the world the Jedgate spat will probably drain funds which ever way things are settled. I just wish Power well and hope that things can be wrapped up speedily, so team building can begin.
I cannot see how any of us can start predicting goals and who is going to score what in the forthcoming season when the team is far from settled. Anything can happen between now and the first Saturday, and probably will. Although I share the sentiment of all here with the best will and intentions in the world the Jedgate spat will probably drain funds which ever way things are settled. I just wish Power well and hope that things can be wrapped up speedily, so team building can begin. the wizard
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