Cooper says Swindon would have made League One’s top six had Nile stayed fit

The Wiltshire Gazette and Herald: Injured Town striker Nile Ranger Injured Town striker Nile Ranger

“IF Nile Ranger had been fit, we’d be in the play-offs.”

Swindon Town manager Mark Cooper is convinced his side would be hot on the tails of sixth-placed Peterborough United right now, had it not been for his star striker’s hamstring injury.

Ranger, who has scored 10 goals in 28 appearances for the Robins since arriving in August, has not featured for Town since February 14 after suffering a grade three hamstring tear during the Valentine’s Day clash with Colchester United at the County Ground.

And Cooper feels his absence has had a major bearing on the way his team’s season has played out.

He said: “I think everyone knows, if Nile Ranger had been fit we’d be in the play-offs. That’s not blasé, I think it’s true. If he’d been fit we’d have been in the play-offs.

“We didn’t expect him or didn’t envisage him getting injured and it has been so long. Nile’s here, we have to pay him and that probably makes it different to bring someone else in of that ilk.

“If you look at the results in past and the ratios, if he’d have been fit I think we’d be in the play-offs. That answers something when you’re talking about what we need to do next season.”

Swindon currently find themselves seven points off the top six with just five games of the campaign remaining and, with a place in the end-of-season lottery well out of their own hands, the Town boss’s claim that Ranger’s presence would have made a significant difference are backed up by the statistical evidence.

From the 23 league games the former Newcastle frontman played, Swindon took 40 points at an average of 1.74 per game, scoring 43 goals in the process at an average of 1.87 per game.

In the 18 that he has missed, the Robins have amassed just 17 at less than a point a match. In that time they have managed 15 goals – again, less than one a game – and Town have only scored twice in a single match on one occasion since Ranger was ruled out through injury.

Ranger’s one-year contract at the County Ground is set to expire this summer, though Swindon have the option of extending his stay by a further 12 months, and Cooper has hinted in recent weeks at the possibility of the 23-year-old returning for pre-season training in June.

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7:03am Fri 11 Apr 14

Scouse Red says...

quality player - extend now and give him summer to get fit and focused
quality player - extend now and give him summer to get fit and focused Scouse Red
  • Score: 19

7:41am Fri 11 Apr 14

Graham8181 says...

Yep get him on board ASAP
Yep get him on board ASAP Graham8181
  • Score: 7

7:41am Fri 11 Apr 14

Is that you Lovesey says...

You could say if Mason had been fit or if pritchard hadn't been banned or if we hadn't played such boring training ground football in our own half, or if we had an experienced manager or if we had a fitness coach, I could go on, no point to this article at all, Ranger could have had a dire 3 months and we would still be where we are.....
You could say if Mason had been fit or if pritchard hadn't been banned or if we hadn't played such boring training ground football in our own half, or if we had an experienced manager or if we had a fitness coach, I could go on, no point to this article at all, Ranger could have had a dire 3 months and we would still be where we are..... Is that you Lovesey
  • Score: -42

8:01am Fri 11 Apr 14

the wizard says...

And perhaps if we had not leaked so many silly goals by an indifferent defence we could also have been in a better place. NO, I wouldn't blame it all on Nile. Football is supposed to be a team game, and for all his off field faults and dramas Ranger is a team player. The guy has a great on field attitude which many of our so called younger players could do well to replicate. He drops back to defend, which some of our mid fielders don't, and rather than just fire off a shot at times, he often waits and brings other players into play in the final third, something which others should be doing, but for reasons various seem reluctant to do so. Others could replicate his style and play, but why they don't is only known to them.
I do hope Power see's the chance to take us forward is with Nile in the team. Sign him up .Please.
And perhaps if we had not leaked so many silly goals by an indifferent defence we could also have been in a better place. NO, I wouldn't blame it all on Nile. Football is supposed to be a team game, and for all his off field faults and dramas Ranger is a team player. The guy has a great on field attitude which many of our so called younger players could do well to replicate. He drops back to defend, which some of our mid fielders don't, and rather than just fire off a shot at times, he often waits and brings other players into play in the final third, something which others should be doing, but for reasons various seem reluctant to do so. Others could replicate his style and play, but why they don't is only known to them. I do hope Power see's the chance to take us forward is with Nile in the team. Sign him up .Please. the wizard
  • Score: 17

8:05am Fri 11 Apr 14

LionelHutz says...

Fully agree with Coops here. That Friday night game with Colchester changed our season. With Ranger in the side I think we would have got to Wembley and been in the top six now.

It's difficult not to look back and think what might have been.

A win for us and defeat for Peterborough tomorrow would see the play off race open up again.
Fully agree with Coops here. That Friday night game with Colchester changed our season. With Ranger in the side I think we would have got to Wembley and been in the top six now. It's difficult not to look back and think what might have been. A win for us and defeat for Peterborough tomorrow would see the play off race open up again. LionelHutz
  • Score: 10

8:46am Fri 11 Apr 14

mancrobin says...

No doubt in my mind about Nile's ability but whether he will be regularly availability and impact on the dressing room still makes him a big gamble for next year. I suspect Power has already made his mind up to make that gamble. That's the reason for this article.
No doubt in my mind about Nile's ability but whether he will be regularly availability and impact on the dressing room still makes him a big gamble for next year. I suspect Power has already made his mind up to make that gamble. That's the reason for this article. mancrobin
  • Score: 1

8:53am Fri 11 Apr 14

London Red says...

the wizard wrote:
And perhaps if we had not leaked so many silly goals by an indifferent defence we could also have been in a better place. NO, I wouldn't blame it all on Nile. Football is supposed to be a team game, and for all his off field faults and dramas Ranger is a team player. The guy has a great on field attitude which many of our so called younger players could do well to replicate. He drops back to defend, which some of our mid fielders don't, and rather than just fire off a shot at times, he often waits and brings other players into play in the final third, something which others should be doing, but for reasons various seem reluctant to do so. Others could replicate his style and play, but why they don't is only known to them. I do hope Power see's the chance to take us forward is with Nile in the team. Sign him up .Please.
Cooper isn't blaming Nile - he is praising him!
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He is simply saying (which I think most would agree with) is had Nile not got injured and been fit for the last 7 games we would have probably picked up a lot more points and therefore, likely to have been in the PO's now
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i.e. draws against Crawley and Crewe would have likely been wins etc
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Our PPG with Nil in the team was an 80 point season scoring 86 goals - which would easily be enough to have secured a PO spot!
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However - I think 3 key things would have made the difference this season
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1 - Nile not getting injured as already said
2 - TAH not having a reoccurance of his injury which kept him out between October and January
3 - Stephens not arriving until late in the loan window rather than at the start of the Jan window
[quote][p][bold]the wizard[/bold] wrote: And perhaps if we had not leaked so many silly goals by an indifferent defence we could also have been in a better place. NO, I wouldn't blame it all on Nile. Football is supposed to be a team game, and for all his off field faults and dramas Ranger is a team player. The guy has a great on field attitude which many of our so called younger players could do well to replicate. He drops back to defend, which some of our mid fielders don't, and rather than just fire off a shot at times, he often waits and brings other players into play in the final third, something which others should be doing, but for reasons various seem reluctant to do so. Others could replicate his style and play, but why they don't is only known to them. I do hope Power see's the chance to take us forward is with Nile in the team. Sign him up .Please.[/p][/quote]Cooper isn't blaming Nile - he is praising him! . He is simply saying (which I think most would agree with) is had Nile not got injured and been fit for the last 7 games we would have probably picked up a lot more points and therefore, likely to have been in the PO's now . i.e. draws against Crawley and Crewe would have likely been wins etc . Our PPG with Nil in the team was an 80 point season scoring 86 goals - which would easily be enough to have secured a PO spot! . However - I think 3 key things would have made the difference this season . 1 - Nile not getting injured as already said 2 - TAH not having a reoccurance of his injury which kept him out between October and January 3 - Stephens not arriving until late in the loan window rather than at the start of the Jan window London Red
  • Score: 10

8:56am Fri 11 Apr 14

London Red says...

mancrobin wrote:
No doubt in my mind about Nile's ability but whether he will be regularly availability and impact on the dressing room still makes him a big gamble for next year. I suspect Power has already made his mind up to make that gamble. That's the reason for this article.
Shouldn't the fact the players voted to keep him rather than sack him in January end the impact on the dresing room debate?
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Their reaction to his goal against Posh on his return said it all to me!
[quote][p][bold]mancrobin[/bold] wrote: No doubt in my mind about Nile's ability but whether he will be regularly availability and impact on the dressing room still makes him a big gamble for next year. I suspect Power has already made his mind up to make that gamble. That's the reason for this article.[/p][/quote]Shouldn't the fact the players voted to keep him rather than sack him in January end the impact on the dresing room debate? . Their reaction to his goal against Posh on his return said it all to me! London Red
  • Score: 11

9:00am Fri 11 Apr 14

ciclosporindorset says...

A number of very positive articles on the site today reflecting well on the management team at the club, their approach, their beliefs. A team that wants to do well by the club with players that want to play for them. For me that's 9/10's of the job, the rest is about learning their own way to become more fully effective. The same applies to the players really. I am very proud of my club too and I hope those who cannot see what they are trying to do will eventually be won over. I doubt a few die hard supporters will ever acknowledge certain things - that is only human nature - it reflects the competitive side of fans fora perhaps more so than where their hearts really lie. Well done to the management team on already achieving the unexpected this season and roll on 2014-15.
A number of very positive articles on the site today reflecting well on the management team at the club, their approach, their beliefs. A team that wants to do well by the club with players that want to play for them. For me that's 9/10's of the job, the rest is about learning their own way to become more fully effective. The same applies to the players really. I am very proud of my club too and I hope those who cannot see what they are trying to do will eventually be won over. I doubt a few die hard supporters will ever acknowledge certain things - that is only human nature - it reflects the competitive side of fans fora perhaps more so than where their hearts really lie. Well done to the management team on already achieving the unexpected this season and roll on 2014-15. ciclosporindorset
  • Score: 21

9:25am Fri 11 Apr 14

hertz says...

Coops did'nt want Nile and certainly did'nt know how to handle and manage him , I always chuckled when his after match articles referred to his players in the usual football names manner , Pritch , Fodds, Wardy ,Yass etc. but Nile always refferred to as RANGER , and dont forget in his own opinion losing Nile was'nt a poblem becaue we have adequate cover with Smith . All of the above , Wembley and play offs were available had he played his cards right (Just like that) . We owe Brentfor one so I hope we give it our best and don't fiddle just for sake of it , Shef United will be jumping over us in next two games . COYR
Coops did'nt want Nile and certainly did'nt know how to handle and manage him , I always chuckled when his after match articles referred to his players in the usual football names manner , Pritch , Fodds, Wardy ,Yass etc. but Nile always refferred to as RANGER , and dont forget in his own opinion losing Nile was'nt a poblem becaue we have adequate cover with Smith . All of the above , Wembley and play offs were available had he played his cards right (Just like that) . We owe Brentfor one so I hope we give it our best and don't fiddle just for sake of it , Shef United will be jumping over us in next two games . COYR hertz
  • Score: -8

9:41am Fri 11 Apr 14

the wizard says...

LR,

Yes he is praising him, but equally one man a team does not make. Other players had they performed better and to a standard we know they can achieve, but not consistently, we would/should, not be reliant one the one player being fit. Yes, the same can definitely be said of Troy. For me tomorrow Coops can leave out Ward and Hall for sure. I would bring big Danny back into the reckoning, he must be gagging for a game, and would definitely have Gladwin in the team as he will run at their defence and cause a bit of disorder which we will need to capitalize on.
LR, Yes he is praising him, but equally one man a team does not make. Other players had they performed better and to a standard we know they can achieve, but not consistently, we would/should, not be reliant one the one player being fit. Yes, the same can definitely be said of Troy. For me tomorrow Coops can leave out Ward and Hall for sure. I would bring big Danny back into the reckoning, he must be gagging for a game, and would definitely have Gladwin in the team as he will run at their defence and cause a bit of disorder which we will need to capitalize on. the wizard
  • Score: -8

9:44am Fri 11 Apr 14

the don69 says...

Stupid comment by Coops! if's,but,maybe's,cou
ld have,should have,might have? all teams can say these things! deal in facts, Nile got injured on a very wet pitch fact! if they'd have had any sense,they should have let the pitch flood and get it called off! Nile is a class act(on the pitch) please get him signed and make it a fact he'll be here next season,not interested in if's!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Stupid comment by Coops! if's,but,maybe's,cou ld have,should have,might have? all teams can say these things! deal in facts, Nile got injured on a very wet pitch fact! if they'd have had any sense,they should have let the pitch flood and get it called off! Nile is a class act(on the pitch) please get him signed and make it a fact he'll be here next season,not interested in if's!!!!!!!!!!!!!! the don69
  • Score: 18

10:22am Fri 11 Apr 14

House with no name says...

Is there any end to the excuses being made by an inept managerial team that is just content with balancing the books and totally lacks ambition.

I read that they will go into next season with a reduced squad of players which is just ready made excuses when the winter injuries come and they are in a relegation position.

Apart from Danny Williams winning the League Cup and promotion in 1969 all recent successes came as a result of showing ambition by appointing top name managers who knew people within the game and could get the best out of the team albeit maybe some of the financial dealings may have been a bit suspect but this was exactly what the big teams were doing - nothing more and nothing less.

Big names attract gates and outside sponsorship - minnows just attract all the whinging that appears here.

Success breeds success - failure breeds failure.

:-)
Is there any end to the excuses being made by an inept managerial team that is just content with balancing the books and totally lacks ambition. I read that they will go into next season with a reduced squad of players which is just ready made excuses when the winter injuries come and they are in a relegation position. Apart from Danny Williams winning the League Cup and promotion in 1969 all recent successes came as a result of showing ambition by appointing top name managers who knew people within the game and could get the best out of the team albeit maybe some of the financial dealings may have been a bit suspect but this was exactly what the big teams were doing - nothing more and nothing less. Big names attract gates and outside sponsorship - minnows just attract all the whinging that appears here. Success breeds success - failure breeds failure. :-) House with no name
  • Score: -31

11:10am Fri 11 Apr 14

Hampshire_ReD says...

If's, but's and maybe's...coulda, woulda, shoulda.

Even with Nile injured, Cooper had the playing resources available to make the play-offs - though I don't think anybody would expect us to go any further.

Too many bad results, following poor team selections / formations / tactics and a total unwillingness to accept responsibility for bad performances.

Stevenage (bottom of league 1), won only 10 games all season - one of which was vs the Town. Unacceptable.
If's, but's and maybe's...coulda, woulda, shoulda. Even with Nile injured, Cooper had the playing resources available to make the play-offs - though I don't think anybody would expect us to go any further. Too many bad results, following poor team selections / formations / tactics and a total unwillingness to accept responsibility for bad performances. Stevenage (bottom of league 1), won only 10 games all season - one of which was vs the Town. Unacceptable. Hampshire_ReD
  • Score: -8

11:40am Fri 11 Apr 14

the wizard says...

House with no name wrote:
Is there any end to the excuses being made by an inept managerial team that is just content with balancing the books and totally lacks ambition.

I read that they will go into next season with a reduced squad of players which is just ready made excuses when the winter injuries come and they are in a relegation position.

Apart from Danny Williams winning the League Cup and promotion in 1969 all recent successes came as a result of showing ambition by appointing top name managers who knew people within the game and could get the best out of the team albeit maybe some of the financial dealings may have been a bit suspect but this was exactly what the big teams were doing - nothing more and nothing less.

Big names attract gates and outside sponsorship - minnows just attract all the whinging that appears here.

Success breeds success - failure breeds failure.

:-)
Just so as you know what Power is trying to reduce here is a list of our current players etc,

CURRENT SQUAD
1 Wes FODERINGHAM
2 Nathan THOMPSON
3 Nathan BYRNE
4 Massimo LUONGO
5 Grant HALL
6 TIJANE Reis
7 Ryan HARLEY
8 Ryan MASON
9 Nile RANGER
10 Andy WILLIAMS
11 Alex PRITCHARD
12 Dany N'GUESSAN
14 Jay MCEVELEY
15 Yaser KASIM
16 Mark FRANCIS
17 Connor WALDON
18 Alex FERGUSON
19 Louis THOMPSON
20 Miles STOREY
21 Alex SMITH
22 Darren WARD
23 Jack BARTHRAM
24 Lee COX
25 Tyrell BELFORD
26 Aaron OAKLEY
27 Harry AGOMBAR
28 Luke ROONEY
28 Michael SMITH
29 RAPHAEL Rossi Branco
30 Leigh BEDWELL
31 Paul BENSON
32 Alan NAVARRO
33 Nicky AJOSE
33 George BARKER
34 Mohamed EL-GABAS
34 Jamie RECKORD
35 Kayden JACKSON
36 Matt JONES
37 Ryan WOOD
38 Liam WALSH
39 Ben GLADWIN
40 Jack STEPHENS
41 Troy ARCHIBALD-HENVILLE
42 Will RANDALL

That is a massive pay roll for a club of our size and gate receipts. Some thinning down has to happen or the club will go under as the payroll is just too big. Beyond doubt is will be better when some of PDC's high earners have gone, like Williams and Benson, who I believe has already got a contract with Luton next season. Williams I also believe has another year to go on his contract on big wages. I don't think you are seeing things in the true light. Most had us as relegation fodder yet here we are comfortably in the top half of the table. The club is leaner and better and we are in a good position to build from. If you want almost guaranteed glory then go and watch a Premier league team. I say go and watch because support doesn't seem to be in your limited vocabulary.
[quote][p][bold]House with no name[/bold] wrote: Is there any end to the excuses being made by an inept managerial team that is just content with balancing the books and totally lacks ambition. I read that they will go into next season with a reduced squad of players which is just ready made excuses when the winter injuries come and they are in a relegation position. Apart from Danny Williams winning the League Cup and promotion in 1969 all recent successes came as a result of showing ambition by appointing top name managers who knew people within the game and could get the best out of the team albeit maybe some of the financial dealings may have been a bit suspect but this was exactly what the big teams were doing - nothing more and nothing less. Big names attract gates and outside sponsorship - minnows just attract all the whinging that appears here. Success breeds success - failure breeds failure. :-)[/p][/quote]Just so as you know what Power is trying to reduce here is a list of our current players etc, CURRENT SQUAD 1 Wes FODERINGHAM 2 Nathan THOMPSON 3 Nathan BYRNE 4 Massimo LUONGO 5 Grant HALL 6 TIJANE Reis 7 Ryan HARLEY 8 Ryan MASON 9 Nile RANGER 10 Andy WILLIAMS 11 Alex PRITCHARD 12 Dany N'GUESSAN 14 Jay MCEVELEY 15 Yaser KASIM 16 Mark FRANCIS 17 Connor WALDON 18 Alex FERGUSON 19 Louis THOMPSON 20 Miles STOREY 21 Alex SMITH 22 Darren WARD 23 Jack BARTHRAM 24 Lee COX 25 Tyrell BELFORD 26 Aaron OAKLEY 27 Harry AGOMBAR 28 Luke ROONEY 28 Michael SMITH 29 RAPHAEL Rossi Branco 30 Leigh BEDWELL 31 Paul BENSON 32 Alan NAVARRO 33 Nicky AJOSE 33 George BARKER 34 Mohamed EL-GABAS 34 Jamie RECKORD 35 Kayden JACKSON 36 Matt JONES 37 Ryan WOOD 38 Liam WALSH 39 Ben GLADWIN 40 Jack STEPHENS 41 Troy ARCHIBALD-HENVILLE 42 Will RANDALL That is a massive pay roll for a club of our size and gate receipts. Some thinning down has to happen or the club will go under as the payroll is just too big. Beyond doubt is will be better when some of PDC's high earners have gone, like Williams and Benson, who I believe has already got a contract with Luton next season. Williams I also believe has another year to go on his contract on big wages. I don't think you are seeing things in the true light. Most had us as relegation fodder yet here we are comfortably in the top half of the table. The club is leaner and better and we are in a good position to build from. If you want almost guaranteed glory then go and watch a Premier league team. I say go and watch because support doesn't seem to be in your limited vocabulary. the wizard
  • Score: 12

11:56am Fri 11 Apr 14

LeGod says...

a house with no name - So what do you want power to do get the club into debt and we go into administration again which would mean conference football.
We have to cut our cloth accordingly and why cant people understand that because the majority of lower league clubs are all tight for money unless a rich sugar daddy comes in that is the way it is im afraid. To get big name players you have to pay big money and they dodnt always work any way. So called Gary Roberts had a good reputation and was absolutley useless and on big money. I would rather do it the way Power and Cooper are currently doing it by getting the right calibre of loan players but with a little bit of experience in the mix as well and some of our own local players that are good enough such as the Thompsons and Storey with a couple of others potentially coming through such as Waldron etc.
Lets face it if we had had Troy and Stephens and Ranger hadnt got his injury we would have been in the play offs no doubt.
I think all in all this season has taught the likes of cooper and power what is required to get out of this league after this season and i believe they will get it right for next season. The key players to keep for next season are the majority of the current squad and Troy and Ranger need to be here and no doubt we will have other loan players to come in as that is the way forward for the likes of clubs like us as we help develop players for their clubs by playing football the right way and they provide us with their up and coming tealented players so they get league experience and then progress through the divisions. I dont expect Wes to be here next season as i think we will need to sell at least one player to help fund next season.
Even if our squad is reduced which it sounds like it will be as long as you have good quality players it doesnt matter as we can always go into the loan market when required.
I think our way of playing football this season has shown to alot of premier league clubs we are teaching their young players the right way to play and i would imagine we will have more options available to us from other clubs as well as Spurs this season and especially if Sherwood goes that could leave us without any potential players coming from there next season anyway.
It ok knocking Power to tell him to spend money but football clubs are a bottomless pit and this club has to start trying to break even at least which it hasnt done for years because as we saw under the last regime although Black had money and we paid big money for some of our players alot of them we only average and bringing young hungry players who want to progress and mixed with some experience is a good balance.
When it your own money and if you were put in Powers position you would be exactly the same on spending, so its easy to criticise and we all want the best for our club and if we do make it next year to get into the championship then potnetially that provide potnetial to get other backers coming into the club with some financial clout.
So i wish people would get off the Power knocking mode and just think a bit in what they write because without him we dont have a club.
a house with no name - So what do you want power to do get the club into debt and we go into administration again which would mean conference football. We have to cut our cloth accordingly and why cant people understand that because the majority of lower league clubs are all tight for money unless a rich sugar daddy comes in that is the way it is im afraid. To get big name players you have to pay big money and they dodnt always work any way. So called Gary Roberts had a good reputation and was absolutley useless and on big money. I would rather do it the way Power and Cooper are currently doing it by getting the right calibre of loan players but with a little bit of experience in the mix as well and some of our own local players that are good enough such as the Thompsons and Storey with a couple of others potentially coming through such as Waldron etc. Lets face it if we had had Troy and Stephens and Ranger hadnt got his injury we would have been in the play offs no doubt. I think all in all this season has taught the likes of cooper and power what is required to get out of this league after this season and i believe they will get it right for next season. The key players to keep for next season are the majority of the current squad and Troy and Ranger need to be here and no doubt we will have other loan players to come in as that is the way forward for the likes of clubs like us as we help develop players for their clubs by playing football the right way and they provide us with their up and coming tealented players so they get league experience and then progress through the divisions. I dont expect Wes to be here next season as i think we will need to sell at least one player to help fund next season. Even if our squad is reduced which it sounds like it will be as long as you have good quality players it doesnt matter as we can always go into the loan market when required. I think our way of playing football this season has shown to alot of premier league clubs we are teaching their young players the right way to play and i would imagine we will have more options available to us from other clubs as well as Spurs this season and especially if Sherwood goes that could leave us without any potential players coming from there next season anyway. It ok knocking Power to tell him to spend money but football clubs are a bottomless pit and this club has to start trying to break even at least which it hasnt done for years because as we saw under the last regime although Black had money and we paid big money for some of our players alot of them we only average and bringing young hungry players who want to progress and mixed with some experience is a good balance. When it your own money and if you were put in Powers position you would be exactly the same on spending, so its easy to criticise and we all want the best for our club and if we do make it next year to get into the championship then potnetially that provide potnetial to get other backers coming into the club with some financial clout. So i wish people would get off the Power knocking mode and just think a bit in what they write because without him we dont have a club. LeGod
  • Score: 10

11:58am Fri 11 Apr 14

London Red says...

the wizard wrote:
LR, Yes he is praising him, but equally one man a team does not make. Other players had they performed better and to a standard we know they can achieve, but not consistently, we would/should, not be reliant one the one player being fit. Yes, the same can definitely be said of Troy. For me tomorrow Coops can leave out Ward and Hall for sure. I would bring big Danny back into the reckoning, he must be gagging for a game, and would definitely have Gladwin in the team as he will run at their defence and cause a bit of disorder which we will need to capitalize on.
No one is saying we are a one man team!
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All Cooper was saying IMO is the margins between us and the POs are so small that a player of Ranger's quality could have made the difference
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Take Suarez out of Liverpool for the rest of the campaign and they might not win the league
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If Rodgers said he felt that injury could have cost them the title is he branding Liverpool a one man team or just acknowledging the impact of his best player?
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PSG might have got past Chelsea had Zlaten been fit - doesn't make them a one man team - just acknowledges it was so close (away goals) that their main man could have made a difference!
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I know about Troy - thus it was one of my reasons why I felt we missed out this year
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Ranger might have been enough on his own to get us in
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Troy on his own had he been fit since Oct might have been enough to get us in - especially as Ranger was missing for part of that!
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Both together - surely would have been enough as we would have been tighter at the back and scored more - and that normally means more points!
[quote][p][bold]the wizard[/bold] wrote: LR, Yes he is praising him, but equally one man a team does not make. Other players had they performed better and to a standard we know they can achieve, but not consistently, we would/should, not be reliant one the one player being fit. Yes, the same can definitely be said of Troy. For me tomorrow Coops can leave out Ward and Hall for sure. I would bring big Danny back into the reckoning, he must be gagging for a game, and would definitely have Gladwin in the team as he will run at their defence and cause a bit of disorder which we will need to capitalize on.[/p][/quote]No one is saying we are a one man team! . All Cooper was saying IMO is the margins between us and the POs are so small that a player of Ranger's quality could have made the difference . Take Suarez out of Liverpool for the rest of the campaign and they might not win the league . If Rodgers said he felt that injury could have cost them the title is he branding Liverpool a one man team or just acknowledging the impact of his best player? . PSG might have got past Chelsea had Zlaten been fit - doesn't make them a one man team - just acknowledges it was so close (away goals) that their main man could have made a difference! . I know about Troy - thus it was one of my reasons why I felt we missed out this year . Ranger might have been enough on his own to get us in . Troy on his own had he been fit since Oct might have been enough to get us in - especially as Ranger was missing for part of that! . Both together - surely would have been enough as we would have been tighter at the back and scored more - and that normally means more points! London Red
  • Score: 4

12:00pm Fri 11 Apr 14

KeithMorganRules says...

the wizard wrote:
House with no name wrote:
Is there any end to the excuses being made by an inept managerial team that is just content with balancing the books and totally lacks ambition.

I read that they will go into next season with a reduced squad of players which is just ready made excuses when the winter injuries come and they are in a relegation position.

Apart from Danny Williams winning the League Cup and promotion in 1969 all recent successes came as a result of showing ambition by appointing top name managers who knew people within the game and could get the best out of the team albeit maybe some of the financial dealings may have been a bit suspect but this was exactly what the big teams were doing - nothing more and nothing less.

Big names attract gates and outside sponsorship - minnows just attract all the whinging that appears here.

Success breeds success - failure breeds failure.

:-)
Just so as you know what Power is trying to reduce here is a list of our current players etc,

CURRENT SQUAD
1 Wes FODERINGHAM
2 Nathan THOMPSON
3 Nathan BYRNE
4 Massimo LUONGO
5 Grant HALL
6 TIJANE Reis
7 Ryan HARLEY
8 Ryan MASON
9 Nile RANGER
10 Andy WILLIAMS
11 Alex PRITCHARD
12 Dany N'GUESSAN
14 Jay MCEVELEY
15 Yaser KASIM
16 Mark FRANCIS
17 Connor WALDON
18 Alex FERGUSON
19 Louis THOMPSON
20 Miles STOREY
21 Alex SMITH
22 Darren WARD
23 Jack BARTHRAM
24 Lee COX
25 Tyrell BELFORD
26 Aaron OAKLEY
27 Harry AGOMBAR
28 Luke ROONEY
28 Michael SMITH
29 RAPHAEL Rossi Branco
30 Leigh BEDWELL
31 Paul BENSON
32 Alan NAVARRO
33 Nicky AJOSE
33 George BARKER
34 Mohamed EL-GABAS
34 Jamie RECKORD
35 Kayden JACKSON
36 Matt JONES
37 Ryan WOOD
38 Liam WALSH
39 Ben GLADWIN
40 Jack STEPHENS
41 Troy ARCHIBALD-HENVILLE
42 Will RANDALL

That is a massive pay roll for a club of our size and gate receipts. Some thinning down has to happen or the club will go under as the payroll is just too big. Beyond doubt is will be better when some of PDC's high earners have gone, like Williams and Benson, who I believe has already got a contract with Luton next season. Williams I also believe has another year to go on his contract on big wages. I don't think you are seeing things in the true light. Most had us as relegation fodder yet here we are comfortably in the top half of the table. The club is leaner and better and we are in a good position to build from. If you want almost guaranteed glory then go and watch a Premier league team. I say go and watch because support doesn't seem to be in your limited vocabulary.
Excellent response but I think Nicky Ajose was only a short term loan and is no longer on the payroll
[quote][p][bold]the wizard[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]House with no name[/bold] wrote: Is there any end to the excuses being made by an inept managerial team that is just content with balancing the books and totally lacks ambition. I read that they will go into next season with a reduced squad of players which is just ready made excuses when the winter injuries come and they are in a relegation position. Apart from Danny Williams winning the League Cup and promotion in 1969 all recent successes came as a result of showing ambition by appointing top name managers who knew people within the game and could get the best out of the team albeit maybe some of the financial dealings may have been a bit suspect but this was exactly what the big teams were doing - nothing more and nothing less. Big names attract gates and outside sponsorship - minnows just attract all the whinging that appears here. Success breeds success - failure breeds failure. :-)[/p][/quote]Just so as you know what Power is trying to reduce here is a list of our current players etc, CURRENT SQUAD 1 Wes FODERINGHAM 2 Nathan THOMPSON 3 Nathan BYRNE 4 Massimo LUONGO 5 Grant HALL 6 TIJANE Reis 7 Ryan HARLEY 8 Ryan MASON 9 Nile RANGER 10 Andy WILLIAMS 11 Alex PRITCHARD 12 Dany N'GUESSAN 14 Jay MCEVELEY 15 Yaser KASIM 16 Mark FRANCIS 17 Connor WALDON 18 Alex FERGUSON 19 Louis THOMPSON 20 Miles STOREY 21 Alex SMITH 22 Darren WARD 23 Jack BARTHRAM 24 Lee COX 25 Tyrell BELFORD 26 Aaron OAKLEY 27 Harry AGOMBAR 28 Luke ROONEY 28 Michael SMITH 29 RAPHAEL Rossi Branco 30 Leigh BEDWELL 31 Paul BENSON 32 Alan NAVARRO 33 Nicky AJOSE 33 George BARKER 34 Mohamed EL-GABAS 34 Jamie RECKORD 35 Kayden JACKSON 36 Matt JONES 37 Ryan WOOD 38 Liam WALSH 39 Ben GLADWIN 40 Jack STEPHENS 41 Troy ARCHIBALD-HENVILLE 42 Will RANDALL That is a massive pay roll for a club of our size and gate receipts. Some thinning down has to happen or the club will go under as the payroll is just too big. Beyond doubt is will be better when some of PDC's high earners have gone, like Williams and Benson, who I believe has already got a contract with Luton next season. Williams I also believe has another year to go on his contract on big wages. I don't think you are seeing things in the true light. Most had us as relegation fodder yet here we are comfortably in the top half of the table. The club is leaner and better and we are in a good position to build from. If you want almost guaranteed glory then go and watch a Premier league team. I say go and watch because support doesn't seem to be in your limited vocabulary.[/p][/quote]Excellent response but I think Nicky Ajose was only a short term loan and is no longer on the payroll KeithMorganRules
  • Score: 2

12:08pm Fri 11 Apr 14

the wizard says...

KeithMorganRules wrote:
the wizard wrote:
House with no name wrote:
Is there any end to the excuses being made by an inept managerial team that is just content with balancing the books and totally lacks ambition.

I read that they will go into next season with a reduced squad of players which is just ready made excuses when the winter injuries come and they are in a relegation position.

Apart from Danny Williams winning the League Cup and promotion in 1969 all recent successes came as a result of showing ambition by appointing top name managers who knew people within the game and could get the best out of the team albeit maybe some of the financial dealings may have been a bit suspect but this was exactly what the big teams were doing - nothing more and nothing less.

Big names attract gates and outside sponsorship - minnows just attract all the whinging that appears here.

Success breeds success - failure breeds failure.

:-)
Just so as you know what Power is trying to reduce here is a list of our current players etc,

CURRENT SQUAD
1 Wes FODERINGHAM
2 Nathan THOMPSON
3 Nathan BYRNE
4 Massimo LUONGO
5 Grant HALL
6 TIJANE Reis
7 Ryan HARLEY
8 Ryan MASON
9 Nile RANGER
10 Andy WILLIAMS
11 Alex PRITCHARD
12 Dany N'GUESSAN
14 Jay MCEVELEY
15 Yaser KASIM
16 Mark FRANCIS
17 Connor WALDON
18 Alex FERGUSON
19 Louis THOMPSON
20 Miles STOREY
21 Alex SMITH
22 Darren WARD
23 Jack BARTHRAM
24 Lee COX
25 Tyrell BELFORD
26 Aaron OAKLEY
27 Harry AGOMBAR
28 Luke ROONEY
28 Michael SMITH
29 RAPHAEL Rossi Branco
30 Leigh BEDWELL
31 Paul BENSON
32 Alan NAVARRO
33 Nicky AJOSE
33 George BARKER
34 Mohamed EL-GABAS
34 Jamie RECKORD
35 Kayden JACKSON
36 Matt JONES
37 Ryan WOOD
38 Liam WALSH
39 Ben GLADWIN
40 Jack STEPHENS
41 Troy ARCHIBALD-HENVILLE
42 Will RANDALL

That is a massive pay roll for a club of our size and gate receipts. Some thinning down has to happen or the club will go under as the payroll is just too big. Beyond doubt is will be better when some of PDC's high earners have gone, like Williams and Benson, who I believe has already got a contract with Luton next season. Williams I also believe has another year to go on his contract on big wages. I don't think you are seeing things in the true light. Most had us as relegation fodder yet here we are comfortably in the top half of the table. The club is leaner and better and we are in a good position to build from. If you want almost guaranteed glory then go and watch a Premier league team. I say go and watch because support doesn't seem to be in your limited vocabulary.
Excellent response but I think Nicky Ajose was only a short term loan and is no longer on the payroll
Ahhh.......... Nicky, now there was a player that mad a difference and I think we have missed him. Nile sort of plugged the gap and has good dimension, but I liked Ajose, and he was under most opposing teams radar up to a point, while NIle, bless him, well he is definitely on everyone's radar. Would have loved to have been able to play them together. Thanks for the correction.
[quote][p][bold]KeithMorganRules[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]the wizard[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]House with no name[/bold] wrote: Is there any end to the excuses being made by an inept managerial team that is just content with balancing the books and totally lacks ambition. I read that they will go into next season with a reduced squad of players which is just ready made excuses when the winter injuries come and they are in a relegation position. Apart from Danny Williams winning the League Cup and promotion in 1969 all recent successes came as a result of showing ambition by appointing top name managers who knew people within the game and could get the best out of the team albeit maybe some of the financial dealings may have been a bit suspect but this was exactly what the big teams were doing - nothing more and nothing less. Big names attract gates and outside sponsorship - minnows just attract all the whinging that appears here. Success breeds success - failure breeds failure. :-)[/p][/quote]Just so as you know what Power is trying to reduce here is a list of our current players etc, CURRENT SQUAD 1 Wes FODERINGHAM 2 Nathan THOMPSON 3 Nathan BYRNE 4 Massimo LUONGO 5 Grant HALL 6 TIJANE Reis 7 Ryan HARLEY 8 Ryan MASON 9 Nile RANGER 10 Andy WILLIAMS 11 Alex PRITCHARD 12 Dany N'GUESSAN 14 Jay MCEVELEY 15 Yaser KASIM 16 Mark FRANCIS 17 Connor WALDON 18 Alex FERGUSON 19 Louis THOMPSON 20 Miles STOREY 21 Alex SMITH 22 Darren WARD 23 Jack BARTHRAM 24 Lee COX 25 Tyrell BELFORD 26 Aaron OAKLEY 27 Harry AGOMBAR 28 Luke ROONEY 28 Michael SMITH 29 RAPHAEL Rossi Branco 30 Leigh BEDWELL 31 Paul BENSON 32 Alan NAVARRO 33 Nicky AJOSE 33 George BARKER 34 Mohamed EL-GABAS 34 Jamie RECKORD 35 Kayden JACKSON 36 Matt JONES 37 Ryan WOOD 38 Liam WALSH 39 Ben GLADWIN 40 Jack STEPHENS 41 Troy ARCHIBALD-HENVILLE 42 Will RANDALL That is a massive pay roll for a club of our size and gate receipts. Some thinning down has to happen or the club will go under as the payroll is just too big. Beyond doubt is will be better when some of PDC's high earners have gone, like Williams and Benson, who I believe has already got a contract with Luton next season. Williams I also believe has another year to go on his contract on big wages. I don't think you are seeing things in the true light. Most had us as relegation fodder yet here we are comfortably in the top half of the table. The club is leaner and better and we are in a good position to build from. If you want almost guaranteed glory then go and watch a Premier league team. I say go and watch because support doesn't seem to be in your limited vocabulary.[/p][/quote]Excellent response but I think Nicky Ajose was only a short term loan and is no longer on the payroll[/p][/quote]Ahhh.......... Nicky, now there was a player that mad a difference and I think we have missed him. Nile sort of plugged the gap and has good dimension, but I liked Ajose, and he was under most opposing teams radar up to a point, while NIle, bless him, well he is definitely on everyone's radar. Would have loved to have been able to play them together. Thanks for the correction. the wizard
  • Score: 0

12:13pm Fri 11 Apr 14

London Red says...

the wizard wrote:
House with no name wrote: Is there any end to the excuses being made by an inept managerial team that is just content with balancing the books and totally lacks ambition. I read that they will go into next season with a reduced squad of players which is just ready made excuses when the winter injuries come and they are in a relegation position. Apart from Danny Williams winning the League Cup and promotion in 1969 all recent successes came as a result of showing ambition by appointing top name managers who knew people within the game and could get the best out of the team albeit maybe some of the financial dealings may have been a bit suspect but this was exactly what the big teams were doing - nothing more and nothing less. Big names attract gates and outside sponsorship - minnows just attract all the whinging that appears here. Success breeds success - failure breeds failure. :-)
Just so as you know what Power is trying to reduce here is a list of our current players etc, CURRENT SQUAD 1 Wes FODERINGHAM 2 Nathan THOMPSON 3 Nathan BYRNE 4 Massimo LUONGO 5 Grant HALL 6 TIJANE Reis 7 Ryan HARLEY 8 Ryan MASON 9 Nile RANGER 10 Andy WILLIAMS 11 Alex PRITCHARD 12 Dany N'GUESSAN 14 Jay MCEVELEY 15 Yaser KASIM 16 Mark FRANCIS 17 Connor WALDON 18 Alex FERGUSON 19 Louis THOMPSON 20 Miles STOREY 21 Alex SMITH 22 Darren WARD 23 Jack BARTHRAM 24 Lee COX 25 Tyrell BELFORD 26 Aaron OAKLEY 27 Harry AGOMBAR 28 Luke ROONEY 28 Michael SMITH 29 RAPHAEL Rossi Branco 30 Leigh BEDWELL 31 Paul BENSON 32 Alan NAVARRO 33 Nicky AJOSE 33 George BARKER 34 Mohamed EL-GABAS 34 Jamie RECKORD 35 Kayden JACKSON 36 Matt JONES 37 Ryan WOOD 38 Liam WALSH 39 Ben GLADWIN 40 Jack STEPHENS 41 Troy ARCHIBALD-HENVILLE 42 Will RANDALL That is a massive pay roll for a club of our size and gate receipts. Some thinning down has to happen or the club will go under as the payroll is just too big. Beyond doubt is will be better when some of PDC's high earners have gone, like Williams and Benson, who I believe has already got a contract with Luton next season. Williams I also believe has another year to go on his contract on big wages. I don't think you are seeing things in the true light. Most had us as relegation fodder yet here we are comfortably in the top half of the table. The club is leaner and better and we are in a good position to build from. If you want almost guaranteed glory then go and watch a Premier league team. I say go and watch because support doesn't seem to be in your limited vocabulary.
Wiz - lots of those don't really count
.
Rooney, El-Gabas and Ajose haven't been here since Jan - so already long gone
.
Jones, Wood, Walsh and Randell are all scholers - who happened to have had a game on the bench thus given a squad number - but they are not par tof thesquad or on the wage bill
.
Another 5 are loanees - so we don't know what level of impact they have in terms of wages - they could be here for free! (Doubt it - but a possibility)
.
Plus in all liklihood will all be gone come May
.
That's 12 or nearly a 3rd of that list gone already!
.
We already know the legacy players of Williams, Navarro, Benson and most likely Cox will be gone - so that really takes the squad down to 25
.
Then we have the kids of Oakley, Ferguson, Francis and Waldon - who I doubt will still be here - plus "Jed's mates" Agombar - so that would take us down to 20
.
Of that only really Pritchard and Stephens would be counted by many as a loss - and even "Prattchild" isn't rated by lots and want him dropped now!
.
Mason missed most the season and Hall in a close run contest with Reckford as being public enemy number 1!
.
So impact on the actual squad will be very minimal - with Jay, Troy, Ranger, A.Smith and Barthram the only real possibiilites of making an impact by being released plus the 2 loanees mentioned
[quote][p][bold]the wizard[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]House with no name[/bold] wrote: Is there any end to the excuses being made by an inept managerial team that is just content with balancing the books and totally lacks ambition. I read that they will go into next season with a reduced squad of players which is just ready made excuses when the winter injuries come and they are in a relegation position. Apart from Danny Williams winning the League Cup and promotion in 1969 all recent successes came as a result of showing ambition by appointing top name managers who knew people within the game and could get the best out of the team albeit maybe some of the financial dealings may have been a bit suspect but this was exactly what the big teams were doing - nothing more and nothing less. Big names attract gates and outside sponsorship - minnows just attract all the whinging that appears here. Success breeds success - failure breeds failure. :-)[/p][/quote]Just so as you know what Power is trying to reduce here is a list of our current players etc, CURRENT SQUAD 1 Wes FODERINGHAM 2 Nathan THOMPSON 3 Nathan BYRNE 4 Massimo LUONGO 5 Grant HALL 6 TIJANE Reis 7 Ryan HARLEY 8 Ryan MASON 9 Nile RANGER 10 Andy WILLIAMS 11 Alex PRITCHARD 12 Dany N'GUESSAN 14 Jay MCEVELEY 15 Yaser KASIM 16 Mark FRANCIS 17 Connor WALDON 18 Alex FERGUSON 19 Louis THOMPSON 20 Miles STOREY 21 Alex SMITH 22 Darren WARD 23 Jack BARTHRAM 24 Lee COX 25 Tyrell BELFORD 26 Aaron OAKLEY 27 Harry AGOMBAR 28 Luke ROONEY 28 Michael SMITH 29 RAPHAEL Rossi Branco 30 Leigh BEDWELL 31 Paul BENSON 32 Alan NAVARRO 33 Nicky AJOSE 33 George BARKER 34 Mohamed EL-GABAS 34 Jamie RECKORD 35 Kayden JACKSON 36 Matt JONES 37 Ryan WOOD 38 Liam WALSH 39 Ben GLADWIN 40 Jack STEPHENS 41 Troy ARCHIBALD-HENVILLE 42 Will RANDALL That is a massive pay roll for a club of our size and gate receipts. Some thinning down has to happen or the club will go under as the payroll is just too big. Beyond doubt is will be better when some of PDC's high earners have gone, like Williams and Benson, who I believe has already got a contract with Luton next season. Williams I also believe has another year to go on his contract on big wages. I don't think you are seeing things in the true light. Most had us as relegation fodder yet here we are comfortably in the top half of the table. The club is leaner and better and we are in a good position to build from. If you want almost guaranteed glory then go and watch a Premier league team. I say go and watch because support doesn't seem to be in your limited vocabulary.[/p][/quote]Wiz - lots of those don't really count . Rooney, El-Gabas and Ajose haven't been here since Jan - so already long gone . Jones, Wood, Walsh and Randell are all scholers - who happened to have had a game on the bench thus given a squad number - but they are not par tof thesquad or on the wage bill . Another 5 are loanees - so we don't know what level of impact they have in terms of wages - they could be here for free! (Doubt it - but a possibility) . Plus in all liklihood will all be gone come May . That's 12 or nearly a 3rd of that list gone already! . We already know the legacy players of Williams, Navarro, Benson and most likely Cox will be gone - so that really takes the squad down to 25 . Then we have the kids of Oakley, Ferguson, Francis and Waldon - who I doubt will still be here - plus "Jed's mates" Agombar - so that would take us down to 20 . Of that only really Pritchard and Stephens would be counted by many as a loss - and even "Prattchild" isn't rated by lots and want him dropped now! . Mason missed most the season and Hall in a close run contest with Reckford as being public enemy number 1! . So impact on the actual squad will be very minimal - with Jay, Troy, Ranger, A.Smith and Barthram the only real possibiilites of making an impact by being released plus the 2 loanees mentioned London Red
  • Score: 4

12:25pm Fri 11 Apr 14

Swindon1984 says...

It's reasonable to think that with Ranger in the side we may have gotten a few more goals, and probably a few more points. Then again we'll never know now. Also, where you finish in the table isn't defined by a few weeks without one player, it's the season as a whole - as a whole, we've been good, bad and indifferent at various times, and as such we are where we deserve to be, a decent finishing position (well, hopfeully, season's not over yet) but not in with a chance of going up. I think that's fair based on what we've seen this term.

It's swings and roundabouts - IF Ranger was in we'd be in the play offs? Well IF Foderingham was injured all season we could've been relegated. People focus on the bad luck we've had, or that we're hard done by. We're not. We're a just above average league one team and that's why we are where we are. Not being pessimistic, just realistic, and we could be in far worse positions. Anyway, bring on Brentford tomorrow, feel we owe them a good kicking and you never know, it just may happen, the pressure's on them for automatic promotion, we should have no pressure on us. COYR.
It's reasonable to think that with Ranger in the side we may have gotten a few more goals, and probably a few more points. Then again we'll never know now. Also, where you finish in the table isn't defined by a few weeks without one player, it's the season as a whole - as a whole, we've been good, bad and indifferent at various times, and as such we are where we deserve to be, a decent finishing position (well, hopfeully, season's not over yet) but not in with a chance of going up. I think that's fair based on what we've seen this term. It's swings and roundabouts - IF Ranger was in we'd be in the play offs? Well IF Foderingham was injured all season we could've been relegated. People focus on the bad luck we've had, or that we're hard done by. We're not. We're a just above average league one team and that's why we are where we are. Not being pessimistic, just realistic, and we could be in far worse positions. Anyway, bring on Brentford tomorrow, feel we owe them a good kicking and you never know, it just may happen, the pressure's on them for automatic promotion, we should have no pressure on us. COYR. Swindon1984
  • Score: 4

12:31pm Fri 11 Apr 14

the wizard says...

London Red wrote:
the wizard wrote:
House with no name wrote: Is there any end to the excuses being made by an inept managerial team that is just content with balancing the books and totally lacks ambition. I read that they will go into next season with a reduced squad of players which is just ready made excuses when the winter injuries come and they are in a relegation position. Apart from Danny Williams winning the League Cup and promotion in 1969 all recent successes came as a result of showing ambition by appointing top name managers who knew people within the game and could get the best out of the team albeit maybe some of the financial dealings may have been a bit suspect but this was exactly what the big teams were doing - nothing more and nothing less. Big names attract gates and outside sponsorship - minnows just attract all the whinging that appears here. Success breeds success - failure breeds failure. :-)
Just so as you know what Power is trying to reduce here is a list of our current players etc, CURRENT SQUAD 1 Wes FODERINGHAM 2 Nathan THOMPSON 3 Nathan BYRNE 4 Massimo LUONGO 5 Grant HALL 6 TIJANE Reis 7 Ryan HARLEY 8 Ryan MASON 9 Nile RANGER 10 Andy WILLIAMS 11 Alex PRITCHARD 12 Dany N'GUESSAN 14 Jay MCEVELEY 15 Yaser KASIM 16 Mark FRANCIS 17 Connor WALDON 18 Alex FERGUSON 19 Louis THOMPSON 20 Miles STOREY 21 Alex SMITH 22 Darren WARD 23 Jack BARTHRAM 24 Lee COX 25 Tyrell BELFORD 26 Aaron OAKLEY 27 Harry AGOMBAR 28 Luke ROONEY 28 Michael SMITH 29 RAPHAEL Rossi Branco 30 Leigh BEDWELL 31 Paul BENSON 32 Alan NAVARRO 33 Nicky AJOSE 33 George BARKER 34 Mohamed EL-GABAS 34 Jamie RECKORD 35 Kayden JACKSON 36 Matt JONES 37 Ryan WOOD 38 Liam WALSH 39 Ben GLADWIN 40 Jack STEPHENS 41 Troy ARCHIBALD-HENVILLE 42 Will RANDALL That is a massive pay roll for a club of our size and gate receipts. Some thinning down has to happen or the club will go under as the payroll is just too big. Beyond doubt is will be better when some of PDC's high earners have gone, like Williams and Benson, who I believe has already got a contract with Luton next season. Williams I also believe has another year to go on his contract on big wages. I don't think you are seeing things in the true light. Most had us as relegation fodder yet here we are comfortably in the top half of the table. The club is leaner and better and we are in a good position to build from. If you want almost guaranteed glory then go and watch a Premier league team. I say go and watch because support doesn't seem to be in your limited vocabulary.
Wiz - lots of those don't really count
.
Rooney, El-Gabas and Ajose haven't been here since Jan - so already long gone
.
Jones, Wood, Walsh and Randell are all scholers - who happened to have had a game on the bench thus given a squad number - but they are not par tof thesquad or on the wage bill
.
Another 5 are loanees - so we don't know what level of impact they have in terms of wages - they could be here for free! (Doubt it - but a possibility)
.
Plus in all liklihood will all be gone come May
.
That's 12 or nearly a 3rd of that list gone already!
.
We already know the legacy players of Williams, Navarro, Benson and most likely Cox will be gone - so that really takes the squad down to 25
.
Then we have the kids of Oakley, Ferguson, Francis and Waldon - who I doubt will still be here - plus "Jed's mates" Agombar - so that would take us down to 20
.
Of that only really Pritchard and Stephens would be counted by many as a loss - and even "Prattchild" isn't rated by lots and want him dropped now!
.
Mason missed most the season and Hall in a close run contest with Reckford as being public enemy number 1!
.
So impact on the actual squad will be very minimal - with Jay, Troy, Ranger, A.Smith and Barthram the only real possibiilites of making an impact by being released plus the 2 loanees mentioned
Yes, but I was trying; to demonstrate the point of financial sustainability and squad reduction plus what players we had had to payroll during this season, hence the full list. I think it shows ambition over and above what "house with no name" cared to accept, his view point being Power hasn't tried, when in fact the list proves otherwise, conclusively.
[quote][p][bold]London Red[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]the wizard[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]House with no name[/bold] wrote: Is there any end to the excuses being made by an inept managerial team that is just content with balancing the books and totally lacks ambition. I read that they will go into next season with a reduced squad of players which is just ready made excuses when the winter injuries come and they are in a relegation position. Apart from Danny Williams winning the League Cup and promotion in 1969 all recent successes came as a result of showing ambition by appointing top name managers who knew people within the game and could get the best out of the team albeit maybe some of the financial dealings may have been a bit suspect but this was exactly what the big teams were doing - nothing more and nothing less. Big names attract gates and outside sponsorship - minnows just attract all the whinging that appears here. Success breeds success - failure breeds failure. :-)[/p][/quote]Just so as you know what Power is trying to reduce here is a list of our current players etc, CURRENT SQUAD 1 Wes FODERINGHAM 2 Nathan THOMPSON 3 Nathan BYRNE 4 Massimo LUONGO 5 Grant HALL 6 TIJANE Reis 7 Ryan HARLEY 8 Ryan MASON 9 Nile RANGER 10 Andy WILLIAMS 11 Alex PRITCHARD 12 Dany N'GUESSAN 14 Jay MCEVELEY 15 Yaser KASIM 16 Mark FRANCIS 17 Connor WALDON 18 Alex FERGUSON 19 Louis THOMPSON 20 Miles STOREY 21 Alex SMITH 22 Darren WARD 23 Jack BARTHRAM 24 Lee COX 25 Tyrell BELFORD 26 Aaron OAKLEY 27 Harry AGOMBAR 28 Luke ROONEY 28 Michael SMITH 29 RAPHAEL Rossi Branco 30 Leigh BEDWELL 31 Paul BENSON 32 Alan NAVARRO 33 Nicky AJOSE 33 George BARKER 34 Mohamed EL-GABAS 34 Jamie RECKORD 35 Kayden JACKSON 36 Matt JONES 37 Ryan WOOD 38 Liam WALSH 39 Ben GLADWIN 40 Jack STEPHENS 41 Troy ARCHIBALD-HENVILLE 42 Will RANDALL That is a massive pay roll for a club of our size and gate receipts. Some thinning down has to happen or the club will go under as the payroll is just too big. Beyond doubt is will be better when some of PDC's high earners have gone, like Williams and Benson, who I believe has already got a contract with Luton next season. Williams I also believe has another year to go on his contract on big wages. I don't think you are seeing things in the true light. Most had us as relegation fodder yet here we are comfortably in the top half of the table. The club is leaner and better and we are in a good position to build from. If you want almost guaranteed glory then go and watch a Premier league team. I say go and watch because support doesn't seem to be in your limited vocabulary.[/p][/quote]Wiz - lots of those don't really count . Rooney, El-Gabas and Ajose haven't been here since Jan - so already long gone . Jones, Wood, Walsh and Randell are all scholers - who happened to have had a game on the bench thus given a squad number - but they are not par tof thesquad or on the wage bill . Another 5 are loanees - so we don't know what level of impact they have in terms of wages - they could be here for free! (Doubt it - but a possibility) . Plus in all liklihood will all be gone come May . That's 12 or nearly a 3rd of that list gone already! . We already know the legacy players of Williams, Navarro, Benson and most likely Cox will be gone - so that really takes the squad down to 25 . Then we have the kids of Oakley, Ferguson, Francis and Waldon - who I doubt will still be here - plus "Jed's mates" Agombar - so that would take us down to 20 . Of that only really Pritchard and Stephens would be counted by many as a loss - and even "Prattchild" isn't rated by lots and want him dropped now! . Mason missed most the season and Hall in a close run contest with Reckford as being public enemy number 1! . So impact on the actual squad will be very minimal - with Jay, Troy, Ranger, A.Smith and Barthram the only real possibiilites of making an impact by being released plus the 2 loanees mentioned[/p][/quote]Yes, but I was trying; to demonstrate the point of financial sustainability and squad reduction plus what players we had had to payroll during this season, hence the full list. I think it shows ambition over and above what "house with no name" cared to accept, his view point being Power hasn't tried, when in fact the list proves otherwise, conclusively. the wizard
  • Score: 0

12:51pm Fri 11 Apr 14

ya mums got facial hair says...

Should be on the plane to brazil
Should be on the plane to brazil ya mums got facial hair
  • Score: 5

1:04pm Fri 11 Apr 14

London Red says...

To add to the Ranger could be the difference debate - this was put on the BBC today:
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Ahead of Manchester City's key Premier League game against Liverpool on Sunday, defender Pablo Zabaleta believes the return of his club and country team-mate Sergio Aguero after a hamstring injury will be key to their title chances.
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"He is an important player, he is going to score goals. He is fast, he is quick. Sometimes we need players like Sergio," he said
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"Always you want the best players in the team and be fit for any game. But we know we also have important players like Dzeko, Yaya is having a great season, Silva, Nasri - we have a lot of talent in front. That is why, even without Sergio, we keep scoring goals.
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"It is great for any team to have the best players back again. That is the good news."
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Simialr situation - return of their main forward - could make the difference
To add to the Ranger could be the difference debate - this was put on the BBC today: . Ahead of Manchester City's key Premier League game against Liverpool on Sunday, defender Pablo Zabaleta believes the return of his club and country team-mate Sergio Aguero after a hamstring injury will be key to their title chances. . "He is an important player, he is going to score goals. He is fast, he is quick. Sometimes we need players like Sergio," he said . "Always you want the best players in the team and be fit for any game. But we know we also have important players like Dzeko, Yaya is having a great season, Silva, Nasri - we have a lot of talent in front. That is why, even without Sergio, we keep scoring goals. . "It is great for any team to have the best players back again. That is the good news." . Simialr situation - return of their main forward - could make the difference London Red
  • Score: 1

2:28pm Fri 11 Apr 14

lifelong red says...

If the truth is known, then I don't think - play- offs- promotion , was ever in Powers blueprint for this season anyway . As a club not long out of intensive care - still at the recuperation stage - then maybe theirs method in his madness .This season has always been about consolidation and building up the clubs resources both on and off the field.
If the truth is known, then I don't think - play- offs- promotion , was ever in Powers blueprint for this season anyway . As a club not long out of intensive care - still at the recuperation stage - then maybe theirs method in his madness .This season has always been about consolidation and building up the clubs resources both on and off the field. lifelong red
  • Score: 5

2:52pm Fri 11 Apr 14

MidlandRobin says...

All very well saying this Coops, and I'm pretty certain this would be the case if he was fit. But the matter of the fact is you couldn't find a replacement for the close season.

Players like Barker (who I don't rate at all) and Smith don't have the maturity, gumption or fire power to lead the line. They are simply not Ranger-calibre.

Also the omission of N'guessan is a real shame, he has strength and pace and goals which I think we're lacking at the minute.

IMO Ranger needs to be snapped up before the World Cup before the Championship clubs come sniffing! He's been a real gem for us (on the field of course).
All very well saying this Coops, and I'm pretty certain this would be the case if he was fit. But the matter of the fact is you couldn't find a replacement for the close season. Players like Barker (who I don't rate at all) and Smith don't have the maturity, gumption or fire power to lead the line. They are simply not Ranger-calibre. Also the omission of N'guessan is a real shame, he has strength and pace and goals which I think we're lacking at the minute. IMO Ranger needs to be snapped up before the World Cup before the Championship clubs come sniffing! He's been a real gem for us (on the field of course). MidlandRobin
  • Score: -1

2:58pm Fri 11 Apr 14

Swindon1984 says...

MidlandRobin wrote:
All very well saying this Coops, and I'm pretty certain this would be the case if he was fit. But the matter of the fact is you couldn't find a replacement for the close season. Players like Barker (who I don't rate at all) and Smith don't have the maturity, gumption or fire power to lead the line. They are simply not Ranger-calibre. Also the omission of N'guessan is a real shame, he has strength and pace and goals which I think we're lacking at the minute. IMO Ranger needs to be snapped up before the World Cup before the Championship clubs come sniffing! He's been a real gem for us (on the field of course).
Would love us to keep Ranger, would love us to keep N'Guessan and use him as well because he has experience and definitely looks better currently than Smith or Barker.
[quote][p][bold]MidlandRobin[/bold] wrote: All very well saying this Coops, and I'm pretty certain this would be the case if he was fit. But the matter of the fact is you couldn't find a replacement for the close season. Players like Barker (who I don't rate at all) and Smith don't have the maturity, gumption or fire power to lead the line. They are simply not Ranger-calibre. Also the omission of N'guessan is a real shame, he has strength and pace and goals which I think we're lacking at the minute. IMO Ranger needs to be snapped up before the World Cup before the Championship clubs come sniffing! He's been a real gem for us (on the field of course).[/p][/quote]Would love us to keep Ranger, would love us to keep N'Guessan and use him as well because he has experience and definitely looks better currently than Smith or Barker. Swindon1984
  • Score: 0

3:04pm Fri 11 Apr 14

mancrobin says...

London Red wrote:
mancrobin wrote:
No doubt in my mind about Nile's ability but whether he will be regularly availability and impact on the dressing room still makes him a big gamble for next year. I suspect Power has already made his mind up to make that gamble. That's the reason for this article.
Shouldn't the fact the players voted to keep him rather than sack him in January end the impact on the dresing room debate?
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Their reaction to his goal against Posh on his return said it all to me!
Yes, for now LR but that opinion and reaction from team mates could be severely tested if Nile continues to behave the way he has done in the past in terms of training etc.

I really hope he stays and knuckles down for everyone's sake. He's a class act on the pitch.
[quote][p][bold]London Red[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mancrobin[/bold] wrote: No doubt in my mind about Nile's ability but whether he will be regularly availability and impact on the dressing room still makes him a big gamble for next year. I suspect Power has already made his mind up to make that gamble. That's the reason for this article.[/p][/quote]Shouldn't the fact the players voted to keep him rather than sack him in January end the impact on the dresing room debate? . Their reaction to his goal against Posh on his return said it all to me![/p][/quote]Yes, for now LR but that opinion and reaction from team mates could be severely tested if Nile continues to behave the way he has done in the past in terms of training etc. I really hope he stays and knuckles down for everyone's sake. He's a class act on the pitch. mancrobin
  • Score: -1

3:08pm Fri 11 Apr 14

London Red says...

MidlandRobin wrote:
All very well saying this Coops, and I'm pretty certain this would be the case if he was fit. But the matter of the fact is you couldn't find a replacement for the close season. Players like Barker (who I don't rate at all) and Smith don't have the maturity, gumption or fire power to lead the line. They are simply not Ranger-calibre. Also the omission of N'guessan is a real shame, he has strength and pace and goals which I think we're lacking at the minute. IMO Ranger needs to be snapped up before the World Cup before the Championship clubs come sniffing! He's been a real gem for us (on the field of course).
If you read what he said it wasn't a case of couldn't find one but couldn't AFFORD one!
.
Tight budgets and the 60% limit have restricted us this season - so there was not a lot of spare cash like before to simply go out and snap up a new forward
.
As he said even though Nile is injured he is still entitled to be paid - and as we are paying him we can't pay someone else!
.
Forwards of that quality are not readily available as it is - and certainly not at the level we could have afford this season
.
Next year might be different as soon as we get Williams, Navarro and Benson off our books we will suddenly have a massive slice of our budget freed up
.
£2.5m was this years aim - realistic rumours have those 3 on 3k - so £450k a year - so that is basically taking up a 5th of the budget!
.
Add in Troy, Jay, Cox and Rooney - the remaining PDC players and we could easily be looking at somewhere in the region of 40% of the budget taken up by just those 7 players!
[quote][p][bold]MidlandRobin[/bold] wrote: All very well saying this Coops, and I'm pretty certain this would be the case if he was fit. But the matter of the fact is you couldn't find a replacement for the close season. Players like Barker (who I don't rate at all) and Smith don't have the maturity, gumption or fire power to lead the line. They are simply not Ranger-calibre. Also the omission of N'guessan is a real shame, he has strength and pace and goals which I think we're lacking at the minute. IMO Ranger needs to be snapped up before the World Cup before the Championship clubs come sniffing! He's been a real gem for us (on the field of course).[/p][/quote]If you read what he said it wasn't a case of couldn't find one but couldn't AFFORD one! . Tight budgets and the 60% limit have restricted us this season - so there was not a lot of spare cash like before to simply go out and snap up a new forward . As he said even though Nile is injured he is still entitled to be paid - and as we are paying him we can't pay someone else! . Forwards of that quality are not readily available as it is - and certainly not at the level we could have afford this season . Next year might be different as soon as we get Williams, Navarro and Benson off our books we will suddenly have a massive slice of our budget freed up . £2.5m was this years aim - realistic rumours have those 3 on 3k - so £450k a year - so that is basically taking up a 5th of the budget! . Add in Troy, Jay, Cox and Rooney - the remaining PDC players and we could easily be looking at somewhere in the region of 40% of the budget taken up by just those 7 players! London Red
  • Score: 2

3:30pm Fri 11 Apr 14

London Red says...

MidlandRobin wrote:
All very well saying this Coops, and I'm pretty certain this would be the case if he was fit. But the matter of the fact is you couldn't find a replacement for the close season. Players like Barker (who I don't rate at all) and Smith don't have the maturity, gumption or fire power to lead the line. They are simply not Ranger-calibre. Also the omission of N'guessan is a real shame, he has strength and pace and goals which I think we're lacking at the minute. IMO Ranger needs to be snapped up before the World Cup before the Championship clubs come sniffing! He's been a real gem for us (on the field of course).
If you read what he said it wasn't a case of couldn't find one but couldn't AFFORD one!
.
Tight budgets and the 60% limit have restricted us this season - so there was not a lot of spare cash like before to simply go out and snap up a new forward
.
As he said even though Nile is injured he is still entitled to be paid - and as we are paying him we can't pay someone else!
.
Forwards of that quality are not readily available as it is - and certainly not at the level we could have afford this season
.
Next year might be different as soon as we get Williams, Navarro and Benson off our books we will suddenly have a massive slice of our budget freed up
.
£2.5m was this years aim - realistic rumours have those 3 on 3k - so £450k a year - so that is basically taking up a 5th of the budget!
.
Add in Troy, Jay, Cox and Rooney - the remaining PDC players and we could easily be looking at somewhere in the region of 40% of the budget taken up by just those 7 players!
[quote][p][bold]MidlandRobin[/bold] wrote: All very well saying this Coops, and I'm pretty certain this would be the case if he was fit. But the matter of the fact is you couldn't find a replacement for the close season. Players like Barker (who I don't rate at all) and Smith don't have the maturity, gumption or fire power to lead the line. They are simply not Ranger-calibre. Also the omission of N'guessan is a real shame, he has strength and pace and goals which I think we're lacking at the minute. IMO Ranger needs to be snapped up before the World Cup before the Championship clubs come sniffing! He's been a real gem for us (on the field of course).[/p][/quote]If you read what he said it wasn't a case of couldn't find one but couldn't AFFORD one! . Tight budgets and the 60% limit have restricted us this season - so there was not a lot of spare cash like before to simply go out and snap up a new forward . As he said even though Nile is injured he is still entitled to be paid - and as we are paying him we can't pay someone else! . Forwards of that quality are not readily available as it is - and certainly not at the level we could have afford this season . Next year might be different as soon as we get Williams, Navarro and Benson off our books we will suddenly have a massive slice of our budget freed up . £2.5m was this years aim - realistic rumours have those 3 on 3k - so £450k a year - so that is basically taking up a 5th of the budget! . Add in Troy, Jay, Cox and Rooney - the remaining PDC players and we could easily be looking at somewhere in the region of 40% of the budget taken up by just those 7 players! London Red
  • Score: 0

3:30pm Fri 11 Apr 14

London Red says...

Sorry about double post
Sorry about double post London Red
  • Score: 0

3:34pm Fri 11 Apr 14

London Red says...

Swindon1984 wrote:
MidlandRobin wrote: All very well saying this Coops, and I'm pretty certain this would be the case if he was fit. But the matter of the fact is you couldn't find a replacement for the close season. Players like Barker (who I don't rate at all) and Smith don't have the maturity, gumption or fire power to lead the line. They are simply not Ranger-calibre. Also the omission of N'guessan is a real shame, he has strength and pace and goals which I think we're lacking at the minute. IMO Ranger needs to be snapped up before the World Cup before the Championship clubs come sniffing! He's been a real gem for us (on the field of course).
Would love us to keep Ranger, would love us to keep N'Guessan and use him as well because he has experience and definitely looks better currently than Smith or Barker.
N'Guessan has dissappeared back out of the picture as the all reports said post the Posh JPT games he was non existent and offered absolutely nothing!
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I can remember one comment like it was only when he got subbed they realised he was playing!
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I was critical about Smith against Sheff U - but effort was not one thing you could criticise him for
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Out of the 2 I would rather have one trying than one doing nothing and not trying - as even though Smith had a poor game he still set up one goal!
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If N'Guessan can't be @rsed when he needs to earn a new deal - when can he be?
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Also lets not forget we were warned this would happen by his previous clubs fans!
[quote][p][bold]Swindon1984[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]MidlandRobin[/bold] wrote: All very well saying this Coops, and I'm pretty certain this would be the case if he was fit. But the matter of the fact is you couldn't find a replacement for the close season. Players like Barker (who I don't rate at all) and Smith don't have the maturity, gumption or fire power to lead the line. They are simply not Ranger-calibre. Also the omission of N'guessan is a real shame, he has strength and pace and goals which I think we're lacking at the minute. IMO Ranger needs to be snapped up before the World Cup before the Championship clubs come sniffing! He's been a real gem for us (on the field of course).[/p][/quote]Would love us to keep Ranger, would love us to keep N'Guessan and use him as well because he has experience and definitely looks better currently than Smith or Barker.[/p][/quote]N'Guessan has dissappeared back out of the picture as the all reports said post the Posh JPT games he was non existent and offered absolutely nothing! . I can remember one comment like it was only when he got subbed they realised he was playing! . I was critical about Smith against Sheff U - but effort was not one thing you could criticise him for . Out of the 2 I would rather have one trying than one doing nothing and not trying - as even though Smith had a poor game he still set up one goal! . If N'Guessan can't be @rsed when he needs to earn a new deal - when can he be? . Also lets not forget we were warned this would happen by his previous clubs fans! London Red
  • Score: 2

3:38pm Fri 11 Apr 14

MidlandRobin says...

London Red wrote:
MidlandRobin wrote:
All very well saying this Coops, and I'm pretty certain this would be the case if he was fit. But the matter of the fact is you couldn't find a replacement for the close season. Players like Barker (who I don't rate at all) and Smith don't have the maturity, gumption or fire power to lead the line. They are simply not Ranger-calibre. Also the omission of N'guessan is a real shame, he has strength and pace and goals which I think we're lacking at the minute. IMO Ranger needs to be snapped up before the World Cup before the Championship clubs come sniffing! He's been a real gem for us (on the field of course).
If you read what he said it wasn't a case of couldn't find one but couldn't AFFORD one!
.
Tight budgets and the 60% limit have restricted us this season - so there was not a lot of spare cash like before to simply go out and snap up a new forward
.
As he said even though Nile is injured he is still entitled to be paid - and as we are paying him we can't pay someone else!
.
Forwards of that quality are not readily available as it is - and certainly not at the level we could have afford this season
.
Next year might be different as soon as we get Williams, Navarro and Benson off our books we will suddenly have a massive slice of our budget freed up
.
£2.5m was this years aim - realistic rumours have those 3 on 3k - so £450k a year - so that is basically taking up a 5th of the budget!
.
Add in Troy, Jay, Cox and Rooney - the remaining PDC players and we could easily be looking at somewhere in the region of 40% of the budget taken up by just those 7 players!
All very well saying we couldn't afford them. Yet I do believe we paid 100k for Barker, 250k for Smith. That's 350k that could have been spent on a better player than the two put together.
[quote][p][bold]London Red[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]MidlandRobin[/bold] wrote: All very well saying this Coops, and I'm pretty certain this would be the case if he was fit. But the matter of the fact is you couldn't find a replacement for the close season. Players like Barker (who I don't rate at all) and Smith don't have the maturity, gumption or fire power to lead the line. They are simply not Ranger-calibre. Also the omission of N'guessan is a real shame, he has strength and pace and goals which I think we're lacking at the minute. IMO Ranger needs to be snapped up before the World Cup before the Championship clubs come sniffing! He's been a real gem for us (on the field of course).[/p][/quote]If you read what he said it wasn't a case of couldn't find one but couldn't AFFORD one! . Tight budgets and the 60% limit have restricted us this season - so there was not a lot of spare cash like before to simply go out and snap up a new forward . As he said even though Nile is injured he is still entitled to be paid - and as we are paying him we can't pay someone else! . Forwards of that quality are not readily available as it is - and certainly not at the level we could have afford this season . Next year might be different as soon as we get Williams, Navarro and Benson off our books we will suddenly have a massive slice of our budget freed up . £2.5m was this years aim - realistic rumours have those 3 on 3k - so £450k a year - so that is basically taking up a 5th of the budget! . Add in Troy, Jay, Cox and Rooney - the remaining PDC players and we could easily be looking at somewhere in the region of 40% of the budget taken up by just those 7 players![/p][/quote]All very well saying we couldn't afford them. Yet I do believe we paid 100k for Barker, 250k for Smith. That's 350k that could have been spent on a better player than the two put together. MidlandRobin
  • Score: 2

3:44pm Fri 11 Apr 14

MidlandRobin says...

MidlandRobin wrote:
London Red wrote:
MidlandRobin wrote:
All very well saying this Coops, and I'm pretty certain this would be the case if he was fit. But the matter of the fact is you couldn't find a replacement for the close season. Players like Barker (who I don't rate at all) and Smith don't have the maturity, gumption or fire power to lead the line. They are simply not Ranger-calibre. Also the omission of N'guessan is a real shame, he has strength and pace and goals which I think we're lacking at the minute. IMO Ranger needs to be snapped up before the World Cup before the Championship clubs come sniffing! He's been a real gem for us (on the field of course).
If you read what he said it wasn't a case of couldn't find one but couldn't AFFORD one!
.
Tight budgets and the 60% limit have restricted us this season - so there was not a lot of spare cash like before to simply go out and snap up a new forward
.
As he said even though Nile is injured he is still entitled to be paid - and as we are paying him we can't pay someone else!
.
Forwards of that quality are not readily available as it is - and certainly not at the level we could have afford this season
.
Next year might be different as soon as we get Williams, Navarro and Benson off our books we will suddenly have a massive slice of our budget freed up
.
£2.5m was this years aim - realistic rumours have those 3 on 3k - so £450k a year - so that is basically taking up a 5th of the budget!
.
Add in Troy, Jay, Cox and Rooney - the remaining PDC players and we could easily be looking at somewhere in the region of 40% of the budget taken up by just those 7 players!
All very well saying we couldn't afford them. Yet I do believe we paid 100k for Barker, 250k for Smith. That's 350k that could have been spent on a better player than the two put together.
Plus, Matty Tubbs was readily available for purchase! On loan as well, so no initial fee needed to be paid! There's a quality replacement, and to start with could have been a could pair up with Ranger (before his injury)
[quote][p][bold]MidlandRobin[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]London Red[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]MidlandRobin[/bold] wrote: All very well saying this Coops, and I'm pretty certain this would be the case if he was fit. But the matter of the fact is you couldn't find a replacement for the close season. Players like Barker (who I don't rate at all) and Smith don't have the maturity, gumption or fire power to lead the line. They are simply not Ranger-calibre. Also the omission of N'guessan is a real shame, he has strength and pace and goals which I think we're lacking at the minute. IMO Ranger needs to be snapped up before the World Cup before the Championship clubs come sniffing! He's been a real gem for us (on the field of course).[/p][/quote]If you read what he said it wasn't a case of couldn't find one but couldn't AFFORD one! . Tight budgets and the 60% limit have restricted us this season - so there was not a lot of spare cash like before to simply go out and snap up a new forward . As he said even though Nile is injured he is still entitled to be paid - and as we are paying him we can't pay someone else! . Forwards of that quality are not readily available as it is - and certainly not at the level we could have afford this season . Next year might be different as soon as we get Williams, Navarro and Benson off our books we will suddenly have a massive slice of our budget freed up . £2.5m was this years aim - realistic rumours have those 3 on 3k - so £450k a year - so that is basically taking up a 5th of the budget! . Add in Troy, Jay, Cox and Rooney - the remaining PDC players and we could easily be looking at somewhere in the region of 40% of the budget taken up by just those 7 players![/p][/quote]All very well saying we couldn't afford them. Yet I do believe we paid 100k for Barker, 250k for Smith. That's 350k that could have been spent on a better player than the two put together.[/p][/quote]Plus, Matty Tubbs was readily available for purchase! On loan as well, so no initial fee needed to be paid! There's a quality replacement, and to start with could have been a could pair up with Ranger (before his injury) MidlandRobin
  • Score: 1

4:38pm Fri 11 Apr 14

mike1990 says...

IF?
IF? mike1990
  • Score: 2

4:57pm Fri 11 Apr 14

London Red says...

MidlandRobin wrote:
MidlandRobin wrote:
London Red wrote:
MidlandRobin wrote: All very well saying this Coops, and I'm pretty certain this would be the case if he was fit. But the matter of the fact is you couldn't find a replacement for the close season. Players like Barker (who I don't rate at all) and Smith don't have the maturity, gumption or fire power to lead the line. They are simply not Ranger-calibre. Also the omission of N'guessan is a real shame, he has strength and pace and goals which I think we're lacking at the minute. IMO Ranger needs to be snapped up before the World Cup before the Championship clubs come sniffing! He's been a real gem for us (on the field of course).
If you read what he said it wasn't a case of couldn't find one but couldn't AFFORD one! . Tight budgets and the 60% limit have restricted us this season - so there was not a lot of spare cash like before to simply go out and snap up a new forward . As he said even though Nile is injured he is still entitled to be paid - and as we are paying him we can't pay someone else! . Forwards of that quality are not readily available as it is - and certainly not at the level we could have afford this season . Next year might be different as soon as we get Williams, Navarro and Benson off our books we will suddenly have a massive slice of our budget freed up . £2.5m was this years aim - realistic rumours have those 3 on 3k - so £450k a year - so that is basically taking up a 5th of the budget! . Add in Troy, Jay, Cox and Rooney - the remaining PDC players and we could easily be looking at somewhere in the region of 40% of the budget taken up by just those 7 players!
All very well saying we couldn't afford them. Yet I do believe we paid 100k for Barker, 250k for Smith. That's 350k that could have been spent on a better player than the two put together.
Plus, Matty Tubbs was readily available for purchase! On loan as well, so no initial fee needed to be paid! There's a quality replacement, and to start with could have been a could pair up with Ranger (before his injury)
Its not about the transfer fees - but the wages!
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Tubbs (or A.N.Other) may have been on more wages than the other 2 put together - Bournemouth are not exactly cash strapped!
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So we can't afford to pay it - we are close to the 60% limit and he may not have fitted inside it - legacy cost go next year and that should remove the 60% limit issue
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Yes we can cut the budget and operate below it - but at least then if Power wants to he can cover the loss and splash out - as we will have scope to do it - whereas this year we simply cant as the FL won't let us even if Power wanted to
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Ajose had to go back as Posh wanted the percentage paid upped to 100% and we simply couldn't afford that!
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Power has made it clear wages need to be covered by income if we are to be self sufficient
.
Whereas Transfer fees are one offs and it seems Power is prepared to stump up his own cash to cover this - or reinvest any income we receive - ala Flint, Caddis and Collins covered Byrne and Luongo
.
No way was Barker 100k! - Sam tweeted nominal fee - so for me that will mean under 25k - he would have clearly pointed out if it was 6 figures like it was when Byrne signed
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Smith is rising upto £200k but was only £100k up front - so that is a 3rd of the amount you have quoted - Nothing to be sniffed at mind
[quote][p][bold]MidlandRobin[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]MidlandRobin[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]London Red[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]MidlandRobin[/bold] wrote: All very well saying this Coops, and I'm pretty certain this would be the case if he was fit. But the matter of the fact is you couldn't find a replacement for the close season. Players like Barker (who I don't rate at all) and Smith don't have the maturity, gumption or fire power to lead the line. They are simply not Ranger-calibre. Also the omission of N'guessan is a real shame, he has strength and pace and goals which I think we're lacking at the minute. IMO Ranger needs to be snapped up before the World Cup before the Championship clubs come sniffing! He's been a real gem for us (on the field of course).[/p][/quote]If you read what he said it wasn't a case of couldn't find one but couldn't AFFORD one! . Tight budgets and the 60% limit have restricted us this season - so there was not a lot of spare cash like before to simply go out and snap up a new forward . As he said even though Nile is injured he is still entitled to be paid - and as we are paying him we can't pay someone else! . Forwards of that quality are not readily available as it is - and certainly not at the level we could have afford this season . Next year might be different as soon as we get Williams, Navarro and Benson off our books we will suddenly have a massive slice of our budget freed up . £2.5m was this years aim - realistic rumours have those 3 on 3k - so £450k a year - so that is basically taking up a 5th of the budget! . Add in Troy, Jay, Cox and Rooney - the remaining PDC players and we could easily be looking at somewhere in the region of 40% of the budget taken up by just those 7 players![/p][/quote]All very well saying we couldn't afford them. Yet I do believe we paid 100k for Barker, 250k for Smith. That's 350k that could have been spent on a better player than the two put together.[/p][/quote]Plus, Matty Tubbs was readily available for purchase! On loan as well, so no initial fee needed to be paid! There's a quality replacement, and to start with could have been a could pair up with Ranger (before his injury)[/p][/quote]Its not about the transfer fees - but the wages! . Tubbs (or A.N.Other) may have been on more wages than the other 2 put together - Bournemouth are not exactly cash strapped! . So we can't afford to pay it - we are close to the 60% limit and he may not have fitted inside it - legacy cost go next year and that should remove the 60% limit issue . Yes we can cut the budget and operate below it - but at least then if Power wants to he can cover the loss and splash out - as we will have scope to do it - whereas this year we simply cant as the FL won't let us even if Power wanted to . Ajose had to go back as Posh wanted the percentage paid upped to 100% and we simply couldn't afford that! . Power has made it clear wages need to be covered by income if we are to be self sufficient . Whereas Transfer fees are one offs and it seems Power is prepared to stump up his own cash to cover this - or reinvest any income we receive - ala Flint, Caddis and Collins covered Byrne and Luongo . No way was Barker 100k! - Sam tweeted nominal fee - so for me that will mean under 25k - he would have clearly pointed out if it was 6 figures like it was when Byrne signed . Smith is rising upto £200k but was only £100k up front - so that is a 3rd of the amount you have quoted - Nothing to be sniffed at mind London Red
  • Score: 5

5:17pm Fri 11 Apr 14

stfc2012 says...

I think Cooper is just saying, in passing, that one of our better players is injured. The type of player that scores goals. It is true any club could say the same. Clubs have a few key players and they get talked about all the time. But good clubs will have replacements - like for like - to slot in and keep things moving. We don't have anyone anywhere near as good as Ranger or with similar attributes. In fact I think Cooper once said that we had 'cover'. But we haven't. In fact the squad isn't really that good at all - BUT the squad has got us to the potential of a play-off place. That is not bad but it is a poor league. When the last few 'earners' have left we will see what Power and Cooper have in them. I'd imagine they have learned they need some real experience in the team and some 'proven' players at this level. We need to become hard to beat and have a few different game plans and the ability to respond on the pitch. Interesting to see what happens with the Spurs link when Sherwood leaves in the summer, and if this 'other' Premiership club start giving us players. A strong finish to the season will have a good impact on the start of next season and I look forward to seeing how quickly Power acts in signing players up.
I think Cooper is just saying, in passing, that one of our better players is injured. The type of player that scores goals. It is true any club could say the same. Clubs have a few key players and they get talked about all the time. But good clubs will have replacements - like for like - to slot in and keep things moving. We don't have anyone anywhere near as good as Ranger or with similar attributes. In fact I think Cooper once said that we had 'cover'. But we haven't. In fact the squad isn't really that good at all - BUT the squad has got us to the potential of a play-off place. That is not bad but it is a poor league. When the last few 'earners' have left we will see what Power and Cooper have in them. I'd imagine they have learned they need some real experience in the team and some 'proven' players at this level. We need to become hard to beat and have a few different game plans and the ability to respond on the pitch. Interesting to see what happens with the Spurs link when Sherwood leaves in the summer, and if this 'other' Premiership club start giving us players. A strong finish to the season will have a good impact on the start of next season and I look forward to seeing how quickly Power acts in signing players up. stfc2012
  • Score: 1

5:18pm Fri 11 Apr 14

MidlandRobin says...

London Red wrote:
MidlandRobin wrote:
MidlandRobin wrote:
London Red wrote:
MidlandRobin wrote: All very well saying this Coops, and I'm pretty certain this would be the case if he was fit. But the matter of the fact is you couldn't find a replacement for the close season. Players like Barker (who I don't rate at all) and Smith don't have the maturity, gumption or fire power to lead the line. They are simply not Ranger-calibre. Also the omission of N'guessan is a real shame, he has strength and pace and goals which I think we're lacking at the minute. IMO Ranger needs to be snapped up before the World Cup before the Championship clubs come sniffing! He's been a real gem for us (on the field of course).
If you read what he said it wasn't a case of couldn't find one but couldn't AFFORD one! . Tight budgets and the 60% limit have restricted us this season - so there was not a lot of spare cash like before to simply go out and snap up a new forward . As he said even though Nile is injured he is still entitled to be paid - and as we are paying him we can't pay someone else! . Forwards of that quality are not readily available as it is - and certainly not at the level we could have afford this season . Next year might be different as soon as we get Williams, Navarro and Benson off our books we will suddenly have a massive slice of our budget freed up . £2.5m was this years aim - realistic rumours have those 3 on 3k - so £450k a year - so that is basically taking up a 5th of the budget! . Add in Troy, Jay, Cox and Rooney - the remaining PDC players and we could easily be looking at somewhere in the region of 40% of the budget taken up by just those 7 players!
All very well saying we couldn't afford them. Yet I do believe we paid 100k for Barker, 250k for Smith. That's 350k that could have been spent on a better player than the two put together.
Plus, Matty Tubbs was readily available for purchase! On loan as well, so no initial fee needed to be paid! There's a quality replacement, and to start with could have been a could pair up with Ranger (before his injury)
Its not about the transfer fees - but the wages!
.
Tubbs (or A.N.Other) may have been on more wages than the other 2 put together - Bournemouth are not exactly cash strapped!
.
So we can't afford to pay it - we are close to the 60% limit and he may not have fitted inside it - legacy cost go next year and that should remove the 60% limit issue
.
Yes we can cut the budget and operate below it - but at least then if Power wants to he can cover the loss and splash out - as we will have scope to do it - whereas this year we simply cant as the FL won't let us even if Power wanted to
.
Ajose had to go back as Posh wanted the percentage paid upped to 100% and we simply couldn't afford that!
.
Power has made it clear wages need to be covered by income if we are to be self sufficient
.
Whereas Transfer fees are one offs and it seems Power is prepared to stump up his own cash to cover this - or reinvest any income we receive - ala Flint, Caddis and Collins covered Byrne and Luongo
.
No way was Barker 100k! - Sam tweeted nominal fee - so for me that will mean under 25k - he would have clearly pointed out if it was 6 figures like it was when Byrne signed
.
Smith is rising upto £200k but was only £100k up front - so that is a 3rd of the amount you have quoted - Nothing to be sniffed at mind
Good points and I agree with most of what you say. But I think the most important point upon which we both probably agree is that the money we DO have is spent sensibly. In my view it's open to question whether that's been the case, even with someone like Luongo who blows hot and cold!
[quote][p][bold]London Red[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]MidlandRobin[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]MidlandRobin[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]London Red[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]MidlandRobin[/bold] wrote: All very well saying this Coops, and I'm pretty certain this would be the case if he was fit. But the matter of the fact is you couldn't find a replacement for the close season. Players like Barker (who I don't rate at all) and Smith don't have the maturity, gumption or fire power to lead the line. They are simply not Ranger-calibre. Also the omission of N'guessan is a real shame, he has strength and pace and goals which I think we're lacking at the minute. IMO Ranger needs to be snapped up before the World Cup before the Championship clubs come sniffing! He's been a real gem for us (on the field of course).[/p][/quote]If you read what he said it wasn't a case of couldn't find one but couldn't AFFORD one! . Tight budgets and the 60% limit have restricted us this season - so there was not a lot of spare cash like before to simply go out and snap up a new forward . As he said even though Nile is injured he is still entitled to be paid - and as we are paying him we can't pay someone else! . Forwards of that quality are not readily available as it is - and certainly not at the level we could have afford this season . Next year might be different as soon as we get Williams, Navarro and Benson off our books we will suddenly have a massive slice of our budget freed up . £2.5m was this years aim - realistic rumours have those 3 on 3k - so £450k a year - so that is basically taking up a 5th of the budget! . Add in Troy, Jay, Cox and Rooney - the remaining PDC players and we could easily be looking at somewhere in the region of 40% of the budget taken up by just those 7 players![/p][/quote]All very well saying we couldn't afford them. Yet I do believe we paid 100k for Barker, 250k for Smith. That's 350k that could have been spent on a better player than the two put together.[/p][/quote]Plus, Matty Tubbs was readily available for purchase! On loan as well, so no initial fee needed to be paid! There's a quality replacement, and to start with could have been a could pair up with Ranger (before his injury)[/p][/quote]Its not about the transfer fees - but the wages! . Tubbs (or A.N.Other) may have been on more wages than the other 2 put together - Bournemouth are not exactly cash strapped! . So we can't afford to pay it - we are close to the 60% limit and he may not have fitted inside it - legacy cost go next year and that should remove the 60% limit issue . Yes we can cut the budget and operate below it - but at least then if Power wants to he can cover the loss and splash out - as we will have scope to do it - whereas this year we simply cant as the FL won't let us even if Power wanted to . Ajose had to go back as Posh wanted the percentage paid upped to 100% and we simply couldn't afford that! . Power has made it clear wages need to be covered by income if we are to be self sufficient . Whereas Transfer fees are one offs and it seems Power is prepared to stump up his own cash to cover this - or reinvest any income we receive - ala Flint, Caddis and Collins covered Byrne and Luongo . No way was Barker 100k! - Sam tweeted nominal fee - so for me that will mean under 25k - he would have clearly pointed out if it was 6 figures like it was when Byrne signed . Smith is rising upto £200k but was only £100k up front - so that is a 3rd of the amount you have quoted - Nothing to be sniffed at mind[/p][/quote]Good points and I agree with most of what you say. But I think the most important point upon which we both probably agree is that the money we DO have is spent sensibly. In my view it's open to question whether that's been the case, even with someone like Luongo who blows hot and cold! MidlandRobin
  • Score: 2

6:10pm Fri 11 Apr 14

dazzastfc says...

House with no name wrote:
Is there any end to the excuses being made by an inept managerial team that is just content with balancing the books and totally lacks ambition.

I read that they will go into next season with a reduced squad of players which is just ready made excuses when the winter injuries come and they are in a relegation position.

Apart from Danny Williams winning the League Cup and promotion in 1969 all recent successes came as a result of showing ambition by appointing top name managers who knew people within the game and could get the best out of the team albeit maybe some of the financial dealings may have been a bit suspect but this was exactly what the big teams were doing - nothing more and nothing less.

Big names attract gates and outside sponsorship - minnows just attract all the whinging that appears here.

Success breeds success - failure breeds failure.

:-)
HOW ON EARTH HAVE YOU GOT 22 DISLIKES,,,,
EVERYTHING you have said is spot on and everyone knows it is but they are so blind its makes me chuckle....This just goes to show how thick some Swindon fans really are...
This is coopers 7th job in management and he has achieved NOTHING..
Then he goes on about Ranger IF THIS AND IF THAT...
Ue should have dropped ward a lot sooner and bought in Stephens a lot sooner THEN we would be in a much stronger position...

I dont think he is a football manager and i al so think it was power who got the players here..

I dont even like looking at the smug gitt but hay hay thats MY opinion
[quote][p][bold]House with no name[/bold] wrote: Is there any end to the excuses being made by an inept managerial team that is just content with balancing the books and totally lacks ambition. I read that they will go into next season with a reduced squad of players which is just ready made excuses when the winter injuries come and they are in a relegation position. Apart from Danny Williams winning the League Cup and promotion in 1969 all recent successes came as a result of showing ambition by appointing top name managers who knew people within the game and could get the best out of the team albeit maybe some of the financial dealings may have been a bit suspect but this was exactly what the big teams were doing - nothing more and nothing less. Big names attract gates and outside sponsorship - minnows just attract all the whinging that appears here. Success breeds success - failure breeds failure. :-)[/p][/quote]HOW ON EARTH HAVE YOU GOT 22 DISLIKES,,,, EVERYTHING you have said is spot on and everyone knows it is but they are so blind its makes me chuckle....This just goes to show how thick some Swindon fans really are... This is coopers 7th job in management and he has achieved NOTHING.. Then he goes on about Ranger IF THIS AND IF THAT... Ue should have dropped ward a lot sooner and bought in Stephens a lot sooner THEN we would be in a much stronger position... I dont think he is a football manager and i al so think it was power who got the players here.. I dont even like looking at the smug gitt but hay hay thats MY opinion dazzastfc
  • Score: -7

6:24pm Fri 11 Apr 14

ellory says...

dazzastfc wrote:
House with no name wrote:
Is there any end to the excuses being made by an inept managerial team that is just content with balancing the books and totally lacks ambition.

I read that they will go into next season with a reduced squad of players which is just ready made excuses when the winter injuries come and they are in a relegation position.

Apart from Danny Williams winning the League Cup and promotion in 1969 all recent successes came as a result of showing ambition by appointing top name managers who knew people within the game and could get the best out of the team albeit maybe some of the financial dealings may have been a bit suspect but this was exactly what the big teams were doing - nothing more and nothing less.

Big names attract gates and outside sponsorship - minnows just attract all the whinging that appears here.

Success breeds success - failure breeds failure.

:-)
HOW ON EARTH HAVE YOU GOT 22 DISLIKES,,,,
EVERYTHING you have said is spot on and everyone knows it is but they are so blind its makes me chuckle....This just goes to show how thick some Swindon fans really are...
This is coopers 7th job in management and he has achieved NOTHING..
Then he goes on about Ranger IF THIS AND IF THAT...
Ue should have dropped ward a lot sooner and bought in Stephens a lot sooner THEN we would be in a much stronger position...

I dont think he is a football manager and i al so think it was power who got the players here..

I dont even like looking at the smug gitt but hay hay thats MY opinion
Speak for yourself. I would rather us "balance the books" than chase a financially unsustainable model just so we can be seen to show some "ambition" . The only thing I'm blind to is why us sitting in 8th place is a bad thing when many predicted we'd be relegated..
[quote][p][bold]dazzastfc[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]House with no name[/bold] wrote: Is there any end to the excuses being made by an inept managerial team that is just content with balancing the books and totally lacks ambition. I read that they will go into next season with a reduced squad of players which is just ready made excuses when the winter injuries come and they are in a relegation position. Apart from Danny Williams winning the League Cup and promotion in 1969 all recent successes came as a result of showing ambition by appointing top name managers who knew people within the game and could get the best out of the team albeit maybe some of the financial dealings may have been a bit suspect but this was exactly what the big teams were doing - nothing more and nothing less. Big names attract gates and outside sponsorship - minnows just attract all the whinging that appears here. Success breeds success - failure breeds failure. :-)[/p][/quote]HOW ON EARTH HAVE YOU GOT 22 DISLIKES,,,, EVERYTHING you have said is spot on and everyone knows it is but they are so blind its makes me chuckle....This just goes to show how thick some Swindon fans really are... This is coopers 7th job in management and he has achieved NOTHING.. Then he goes on about Ranger IF THIS AND IF THAT... Ue should have dropped ward a lot sooner and bought in Stephens a lot sooner THEN we would be in a much stronger position... I dont think he is a football manager and i al so think it was power who got the players here.. I dont even like looking at the smug gitt but hay hay thats MY opinion[/p][/quote]Speak for yourself. I would rather us "balance the books" than chase a financially unsustainable model just so we can be seen to show some "ambition" . The only thing I'm blind to is why us sitting in 8th place is a bad thing when many predicted we'd be relegated.. ellory
  • Score: 2

7:07pm Fri 11 Apr 14

London Red says...

MidlandRobin wrote:
London Red wrote:
MidlandRobin wrote:
MidlandRobin wrote:
London Red wrote:
MidlandRobin wrote: All very well saying this Coops, and I'm pretty certain this would be the case if he was fit. But the matter of the fact is you couldn't find a replacement for the close season. Players like Barker (who I don't rate at all) and Smith don't have the maturity, gumption or fire power to lead the line. They are simply not Ranger-calibre. Also the omission of N'guessan is a real shame, he has strength and pace and goals which I think we're lacking at the minute. IMO Ranger needs to be snapped up before the World Cup before the Championship clubs come sniffing! He's been a real gem for us (on the field of course).
If you read what he said it wasn't a case of couldn't find one but couldn't AFFORD one! . Tight budgets and the 60% limit have restricted us this season - so there was not a lot of spare cash like before to simply go out and snap up a new forward . As he said even though Nile is injured he is still entitled to be paid - and as we are paying him we can't pay someone else! . Forwards of that quality are not readily available as it is - and certainly not at the level we could have afford this season . Next year might be different as soon as we get Williams, Navarro and Benson off our books we will suddenly have a massive slice of our budget freed up . £2.5m was this years aim - realistic rumours have those 3 on 3k - so £450k a year - so that is basically taking up a 5th of the budget! . Add in Troy, Jay, Cox and Rooney - the remaining PDC players and we could easily be looking at somewhere in the region of 40% of the budget taken up by just those 7 players!
All very well saying we couldn't afford them. Yet I do believe we paid 100k for Barker, 250k for Smith. That's 350k that could have been spent on a better player than the two put together.
Plus, Matty Tubbs was readily available for purchase! On loan as well, so no initial fee needed to be paid! There's a quality replacement, and to start with could have been a could pair up with Ranger (before his injury)
Its not about the transfer fees - but the wages!
.
Tubbs (or A.N.Other) may have been on more wages than the other 2 put together - Bournemouth are not exactly cash strapped!
.
So we can't afford to pay it - we are close to the 60% limit and he may not have fitted inside it - legacy cost go next year and that should remove the 60% limit issue
.
Yes we can cut the budget and operate below it - but at least then if Power wants to he can cover the loss and splash out - as we will have scope to do it - whereas this year we simply cant as the FL won't let us even if Power wanted to
.
Ajose had to go back as Posh wanted the percentage paid upped to 100% and we simply couldn't afford that!
.
Power has made it clear wages need to be covered by income if we are to be self sufficient
.
Whereas Transfer fees are one offs and it seems Power is prepared to stump up his own cash to cover this - or reinvest any income we receive - ala Flint, Caddis and Collins covered Byrne and Luongo
.
No way was Barker 100k! - Sam tweeted nominal fee - so for me that will mean under 25k - he would have clearly pointed out if it was 6 figures like it was when Byrne signed
.
Smith is rising upto £200k but was only £100k up front - so that is a 3rd of the amount you have quoted - Nothing to be sniffed at mind
Good points and I agree with most of what you say. But I think the most important point upon which we both probably agree is that the money we DO have is spent sensibly. In my view it's open to question whether that's been the case, even with someone like Luongo who blows hot and cold!
True - but I wouldn't judge them on one season - especially when everyone (including Power) knows the squad has not been perfect
.
I agree with Cooper we only need a few tweaks to add to the core squad and we could be really competitive - especially as I think he likes of Luongo et al will be better as their experience grows
.
Foderingham
Belford
N.Thompson
Barthram
TAH
Stephens
Hall
Branco/Oakley
Ward (player coach)
Byrne
A.Smith
Tijane
L.Thompson
Kasim
Diagoiraga
Luongo
Harley
Gladwin
Ranger
M.Smith
Storey
Barker
.
Plus a couple of new wide players be it perm or loan would be a very impressive squad to me - defence stronger win TAH and Stephens and Diagoiraga adding experience and bite to the midfield
.
I'd even have Murphy back who I thought showed flashes and if used in his natural position out wide think he could do very well - plus he will know the players, management and style etc
[quote][p][bold]MidlandRobin[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]London Red[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]MidlandRobin[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]MidlandRobin[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]London Red[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]MidlandRobin[/bold] wrote: All very well saying this Coops, and I'm pretty certain this would be the case if he was fit. But the matter of the fact is you couldn't find a replacement for the close season. Players like Barker (who I don't rate at all) and Smith don't have the maturity, gumption or fire power to lead the line. They are simply not Ranger-calibre. Also the omission of N'guessan is a real shame, he has strength and pace and goals which I think we're lacking at the minute. IMO Ranger needs to be snapped up before the World Cup before the Championship clubs come sniffing! He's been a real gem for us (on the field of course).[/p][/quote]If you read what he said it wasn't a case of couldn't find one but couldn't AFFORD one! . Tight budgets and the 60% limit have restricted us this season - so there was not a lot of spare cash like before to simply go out and snap up a new forward . As he said even though Nile is injured he is still entitled to be paid - and as we are paying him we can't pay someone else! . Forwards of that quality are not readily available as it is - and certainly not at the level we could have afford this season . Next year might be different as soon as we get Williams, Navarro and Benson off our books we will suddenly have a massive slice of our budget freed up . £2.5m was this years aim - realistic rumours have those 3 on 3k - so £450k a year - so that is basically taking up a 5th of the budget! . Add in Troy, Jay, Cox and Rooney - the remaining PDC players and we could easily be looking at somewhere in the region of 40% of the budget taken up by just those 7 players![/p][/quote]All very well saying we couldn't afford them. Yet I do believe we paid 100k for Barker, 250k for Smith. That's 350k that could have been spent on a better player than the two put together.[/p][/quote]Plus, Matty Tubbs was readily available for purchase! On loan as well, so no initial fee needed to be paid! There's a quality replacement, and to start with could have been a could pair up with Ranger (before his injury)[/p][/quote]Its not about the transfer fees - but the wages! . Tubbs (or A.N.Other) may have been on more wages than the other 2 put together - Bournemouth are not exactly cash strapped! . So we can't afford to pay it - we are close to the 60% limit and he may not have fitted inside it - legacy cost go next year and that should remove the 60% limit issue . Yes we can cut the budget and operate below it - but at least then if Power wants to he can cover the loss and splash out - as we will have scope to do it - whereas this year we simply cant as the FL won't let us even if Power wanted to . Ajose had to go back as Posh wanted the percentage paid upped to 100% and we simply couldn't afford that! . Power has made it clear wages need to be covered by income if we are to be self sufficient . Whereas Transfer fees are one offs and it seems Power is prepared to stump up his own cash to cover this - or reinvest any income we receive - ala Flint, Caddis and Collins covered Byrne and Luongo . No way was Barker 100k! - Sam tweeted nominal fee - so for me that will mean under 25k - he would have clearly pointed out if it was 6 figures like it was when Byrne signed . Smith is rising upto £200k but was only £100k up front - so that is a 3rd of the amount you have quoted - Nothing to be sniffed at mind[/p][/quote]Good points and I agree with most of what you say. But I think the most important point upon which we both probably agree is that the money we DO have is spent sensibly. In my view it's open to question whether that's been the case, even with someone like Luongo who blows hot and cold![/p][/quote]True - but I wouldn't judge them on one season - especially when everyone (including Power) knows the squad has not been perfect . I agree with Cooper we only need a few tweaks to add to the core squad and we could be really competitive - especially as I think he likes of Luongo et al will be better as their experience grows . Foderingham Belford N.Thompson Barthram TAH Stephens Hall Branco/Oakley Ward (player coach) Byrne A.Smith Tijane L.Thompson Kasim Diagoiraga Luongo Harley Gladwin Ranger M.Smith Storey Barker . Plus a couple of new wide players be it perm or loan would be a very impressive squad to me - defence stronger win TAH and Stephens and Diagoiraga adding experience and bite to the midfield . I'd even have Murphy back who I thought showed flashes and if used in his natural position out wide think he could do very well - plus he will know the players, management and style etc London Red
  • Score: 2

9:57pm Fri 11 Apr 14

The Jockster says...

Is that you Lovesey wrote:
You could say if Mason had been fit or if pritchard hadn't been banned or if we hadn't played such boring training ground football in our own half, or if we had an experienced manager or if we had a fitness coach, I could go on, no point to this article at all, Ranger could have had a dire 3 months and we would still be where we are.....
Amazed that you have amassed-35 votes for casually hitting the nail on the head!
If any of those minus muppets agree with Cooperman that NR was the sole reason why we failed to make the playoffs they are seriously deluded!.
[quote][p][bold]Is that you Lovesey[/bold] wrote: You could say if Mason had been fit or if pritchard hadn't been banned or if we hadn't played such boring training ground football in our own half, or if we had an experienced manager or if we had a fitness coach, I could go on, no point to this article at all, Ranger could have had a dire 3 months and we would still be where we are.....[/p][/quote]Amazed that you have amassed-35 votes for casually hitting the nail on the head! If any of those minus muppets agree with Cooperman that NR was the sole reason why we failed to make the playoffs they are seriously deluded!. The Jockster
  • Score: -1

10:12pm Fri 11 Apr 14

MidlandRobin says...

London Red wrote:
MidlandRobin wrote:
London Red wrote:
MidlandRobin wrote:
MidlandRobin wrote:
London Red wrote:
MidlandRobin wrote: All very well saying this Coops, and I'm pretty certain this would be the case if he was fit. But the matter of the fact is you couldn't find a replacement for the close season. Players like Barker (who I don't rate at all) and Smith don't have the maturity, gumption or fire power to lead the line. They are simply not Ranger-calibre. Also the omission of N'guessan is a real shame, he has strength and pace and goals which I think we're lacking at the minute. IMO Ranger needs to be snapped up before the World Cup before the Championship clubs come sniffing! He's been a real gem for us (on the field of course).
If you read what he said it wasn't a case of couldn't find one but couldn't AFFORD one! . Tight budgets and the 60% limit have restricted us this season - so there was not a lot of spare cash like before to simply go out and snap up a new forward . As he said even though Nile is injured he is still entitled to be paid - and as we are paying him we can't pay someone else! . Forwards of that quality are not readily available as it is - and certainly not at the level we could have afford this season . Next year might be different as soon as we get Williams, Navarro and Benson off our books we will suddenly have a massive slice of our budget freed up . £2.5m was this years aim - realistic rumours have those 3 on 3k - so £450k a year - so that is basically taking up a 5th of the budget! . Add in Troy, Jay, Cox and Rooney - the remaining PDC players and we could easily be looking at somewhere in the region of 40% of the budget taken up by just those 7 players!
All very well saying we couldn't afford them. Yet I do believe we paid 100k for Barker, 250k for Smith. That's 350k that could have been spent on a better player than the two put together.
Plus, Matty Tubbs was readily available for purchase! On loan as well, so no initial fee needed to be paid! There's a quality replacement, and to start with could have been a could pair up with Ranger (before his injury)
Its not about the transfer fees - but the wages!
.
Tubbs (or A.N.Other) may have been on more wages than the other 2 put together - Bournemouth are not exactly cash strapped!
.
So we can't afford to pay it - we are close to the 60% limit and he may not have fitted inside it - legacy cost go next year and that should remove the 60% limit issue
.
Yes we can cut the budget and operate below it - but at least then if Power wants to he can cover the loss and splash out - as we will have scope to do it - whereas this year we simply cant as the FL won't let us even if Power wanted to
.
Ajose had to go back as Posh wanted the percentage paid upped to 100% and we simply couldn't afford that!
.
Power has made it clear wages need to be covered by income if we are to be self sufficient
.
Whereas Transfer fees are one offs and it seems Power is prepared to stump up his own cash to cover this - or reinvest any income we receive - ala Flint, Caddis and Collins covered Byrne and Luongo
.
No way was Barker 100k! - Sam tweeted nominal fee - so for me that will mean under 25k - he would have clearly pointed out if it was 6 figures like it was when Byrne signed
.
Smith is rising upto £200k but was only £100k up front - so that is a 3rd of the amount you have quoted - Nothing to be sniffed at mind
Good points and I agree with most of what you say. But I think the most important point upon which we both probably agree is that the money we DO have is spent sensibly. In my view it's open to question whether that's been the case, even with someone like Luongo who blows hot and cold!
True - but I wouldn't judge them on one season - especially when everyone (including Power) knows the squad has not been perfect
.
I agree with Cooper we only need a few tweaks to add to the core squad and we could be really competitive - especially as I think he likes of Luongo et al will be better as their experience grows
.
Foderingham
Belford
N.Thompson
Barthram
TAH
Stephens
Hall
Branco/Oakley
Ward (player coach)
Byrne
A.Smith
Tijane
L.Thompson
Kasim
Diagoiraga
Luongo
Harley
Gladwin
Ranger
M.Smith
Storey
Barker
.
Plus a couple of new wide players be it perm or loan would be a very impressive squad to me - defence stronger win TAH and Stephens and Diagoiraga adding experience and bite to the midfield
.
I'd even have Murphy back who I thought showed flashes and if used in his natural position out wide think he could do very well - plus he will know the players, management and style etc
That's assuming we keep all the better players. There's no guarantees about Fodders, Stephens, Ranger and Troy. And who knows whether if the right bid were made for Nathan, he may even go.

We then become very exposed and much weaker down the spine of the team.
[quote][p][bold]London Red[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]MidlandRobin[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]London Red[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]MidlandRobin[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]MidlandRobin[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]London Red[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]MidlandRobin[/bold] wrote: All very well saying this Coops, and I'm pretty certain this would be the case if he was fit. But the matter of the fact is you couldn't find a replacement for the close season. Players like Barker (who I don't rate at all) and Smith don't have the maturity, gumption or fire power to lead the line. They are simply not Ranger-calibre. Also the omission of N'guessan is a real shame, he has strength and pace and goals which I think we're lacking at the minute. IMO Ranger needs to be snapped up before the World Cup before the Championship clubs come sniffing! He's been a real gem for us (on the field of course).[/p][/quote]If you read what he said it wasn't a case of couldn't find one but couldn't AFFORD one! . Tight budgets and the 60% limit have restricted us this season - so there was not a lot of spare cash like before to simply go out and snap up a new forward . As he said even though Nile is injured he is still entitled to be paid - and as we are paying him we can't pay someone else! . Forwards of that quality are not readily available as it is - and certainly not at the level we could have afford this season . Next year might be different as soon as we get Williams, Navarro and Benson off our books we will suddenly have a massive slice of our budget freed up . £2.5m was this years aim - realistic rumours have those 3 on 3k - so £450k a year - so that is basically taking up a 5th of the budget! . Add in Troy, Jay, Cox and Rooney - the remaining PDC players and we could easily be looking at somewhere in the region of 40% of the budget taken up by just those 7 players![/p][/quote]All very well saying we couldn't afford them. Yet I do believe we paid 100k for Barker, 250k for Smith. That's 350k that could have been spent on a better player than the two put together.[/p][/quote]Plus, Matty Tubbs was readily available for purchase! On loan as well, so no initial fee needed to be paid! There's a quality replacement, and to start with could have been a could pair up with Ranger (before his injury)[/p][/quote]Its not about the transfer fees - but the wages! . Tubbs (or A.N.Other) may have been on more wages than the other 2 put together - Bournemouth are not exactly cash strapped! . So we can't afford to pay it - we are close to the 60% limit and he may not have fitted inside it - legacy cost go next year and that should remove the 60% limit issue . Yes we can cut the budget and operate below it - but at least then if Power wants to he can cover the loss and splash out - as we will have scope to do it - whereas this year we simply cant as the FL won't let us even if Power wanted to . Ajose had to go back as Posh wanted the percentage paid upped to 100% and we simply couldn't afford that! . Power has made it clear wages need to be covered by income if we are to be self sufficient . Whereas Transfer fees are one offs and it seems Power is prepared to stump up his own cash to cover this - or reinvest any income we receive - ala Flint, Caddis and Collins covered Byrne and Luongo . No way was Barker 100k! - Sam tweeted nominal fee - so for me that will mean under 25k - he would have clearly pointed out if it was 6 figures like it was when Byrne signed . Smith is rising upto £200k but was only £100k up front - so that is a 3rd of the amount you have quoted - Nothing to be sniffed at mind[/p][/quote]Good points and I agree with most of what you say. But I think the most important point upon which we both probably agree is that the money we DO have is spent sensibly. In my view it's open to question whether that's been the case, even with someone like Luongo who blows hot and cold![/p][/quote]True - but I wouldn't judge them on one season - especially when everyone (including Power) knows the squad has not been perfect . I agree with Cooper we only need a few tweaks to add to the core squad and we could be really competitive - especially as I think he likes of Luongo et al will be better as their experience grows . Foderingham Belford N.Thompson Barthram TAH Stephens Hall Branco/Oakley Ward (player coach) Byrne A.Smith Tijane L.Thompson Kasim Diagoiraga Luongo Harley Gladwin Ranger M.Smith Storey Barker . Plus a couple of new wide players be it perm or loan would be a very impressive squad to me - defence stronger win TAH and Stephens and Diagoiraga adding experience and bite to the midfield . I'd even have Murphy back who I thought showed flashes and if used in his natural position out wide think he could do very well - plus he will know the players, management and style etc[/p][/quote]That's assuming we keep all the better players. There's no guarantees about Fodders, Stephens, Ranger and Troy. And who knows whether if the right bid were made for Nathan, he may even go. We then become very exposed and much weaker down the spine of the team. MidlandRobin
  • Score: 0

10:34pm Fri 11 Apr 14

Oxon-Red says...

Way I see it, Nile's extension will be triggered. If a bigger club comes in for him with the right offer he will move on and the club will have funds to hopefully invest. If no club comes in and Nile is serious about playing at a higher level he needs to prove he is worth an investment, put in the effort and effectively put himself in the shop window


Would we have got more points if he had not got injured, would Manure if Van Persie had ? Reality is, he got injured and it doesn't matter we cannot rewind the clock and go back.

Thought Le God summed up really well, this season has been damage limitation, get on an even keel and build from that. Talk of play-offs to be expected from the club and they were possible IF. Thing is no-one in the entertainment business is going to talk down what they want people to go and see. Come and watch Town, the team are aiming for mid-table.

I think we have a very good base to build from and the addition of a few (experienced faces - for Den) could see a decent side next season. I also expect Wes to be playing purely and simply because Keeper's rarely move for fees.

In the meantime, we owe Brentford one,
COYMR
Way I see it, Nile's extension will be triggered. If a bigger club comes in for him with the right offer he will move on and the club will have funds to hopefully invest. If no club comes in and Nile is serious about playing at a higher level he needs to prove he is worth an investment, put in the effort and effectively put himself in the shop window Would we have got more points if he had not got injured, would Manure if Van Persie had ? Reality is, he got injured and it doesn't matter we cannot rewind the clock and go back. Thought Le God summed up really well, this season has been damage limitation, get on an even keel and build from that. Talk of play-offs to be expected from the club and they were possible IF. Thing is no-one in the entertainment business is going to talk down what they want people to go and see. Come and watch Town, the team are aiming for mid-table. I think we have a very good base to build from and the addition of a few (experienced faces - for Den) could see a decent side next season. I also expect Wes to be playing purely and simply because Keeper's rarely move for fees. In the meantime, we owe Brentford one, COYMR Oxon-Red
  • Score: 1

10:43pm Fri 11 Apr 14

Oi Den! says...

The Jockster wrote:
Is that you Lovesey wrote:
You could say if Mason had been fit or if pritchard hadn't been banned or if we hadn't played such boring training ground football in our own half, or if we had an experienced manager or if we had a fitness coach, I could go on, no point to this article at all, Ranger could have had a dire 3 months and we would still be where we are.....
Amazed that you have amassed-35 votes for casually hitting the nail on the head!
If any of those minus muppets agree with Cooperman that NR was the sole reason why we failed to make the playoffs they are seriously deluded!.
Agree. We could add "if a good centre half and combatant midfielder had been signed in the summer..." As Lovesey says, you can go on and on with ifs and buts. By the way, Cooper should know better than anyone that it's not just a matter of Ranger being fit. He's got to turn up for work wanting to be part of the collective effort. If he's finally reached that point we could be in for a real treat. STFC and Ranger himself would have achieved something pretty special. Would anyone be prepared to put their money on it?
[quote][p][bold]The Jockster[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Is that you Lovesey[/bold] wrote: You could say if Mason had been fit or if pritchard hadn't been banned or if we hadn't played such boring training ground football in our own half, or if we had an experienced manager or if we had a fitness coach, I could go on, no point to this article at all, Ranger could have had a dire 3 months and we would still be where we are.....[/p][/quote]Amazed that you have amassed-35 votes for casually hitting the nail on the head! If any of those minus muppets agree with Cooperman that NR was the sole reason why we failed to make the playoffs they are seriously deluded!.[/p][/quote]Agree. We could add "if a good centre half and combatant midfielder had been signed in the summer..." As Lovesey says, you can go on and on with ifs and buts. By the way, Cooper should know better than anyone that it's not just a matter of Ranger being fit. He's got to turn up for work wanting to be part of the collective effort. If he's finally reached that point we could be in for a real treat. STFC and Ranger himself would have achieved something pretty special. Would anyone be prepared to put their money on it? Oi Den!
  • Score: -1

10:56pm Fri 11 Apr 14

harley red says...

If we never had COOPER we would be top we would not play the crap football and it would be a joy to go and watch . Oh if we only still had PDC the town would be a happy place to watch the footy I hate all the back passes and the goals we have conceded due to them passing back . Maybe we would have a team fit to play 90 mins . All off and buts and a stupid statement from our sh!t leader !!!!!
If we never had COOPER we would be top we would not play the crap football and it would be a joy to go and watch . Oh if we only still had PDC the town would be a happy place to watch the footy I hate all the back passes and the goals we have conceded due to them passing back . Maybe we would have a team fit to play 90 mins . All off and buts and a stupid statement from our sh!t leader !!!!! harley red
  • Score: -4

11:07pm Fri 11 Apr 14

harley red says...

the wizard wrote:
House with no name wrote:
Is there any end to the excuses being made by an inept managerial team that is just content with balancing the books and totally lacks ambition.

I read that they will go into next season with a reduced squad of players which is just ready made excuses when the winter injuries come and they are in a relegation position.

Apart from Danny Williams winning the League Cup and promotion in 1969 all recent successes came as a result of showing ambition by appointing top name managers who knew people within the game and could get the best out of the team albeit maybe some of the financial dealings may have been a bit suspect but this was exactly what the big teams were doing - nothing more and nothing less.

Big names attract gates and outside sponsorship - minnows just attract all the whinging that appears here.

Success breeds success - failure breeds failure.

:-)
Just so as you know what Power is trying to reduce here is a list of our current players etc,

CURRENT SQUAD
1 Wes FODERINGHAM
2 Nathan THOMPSON
3 Nathan BYRNE
4 Massimo LUONGO
5 Grant HALL
6 TIJANE Reis
7 Ryan HARLEY
8 Ryan MASON
9 Nile RANGER
10 Andy WILLIAMS
11 Alex PRITCHARD
12 Dany N'GUESSAN
14 Jay MCEVELEY
15 Yaser KASIM
16 Mark FRANCIS
17 Connor WALDON
18 Alex FERGUSON
19 Louis THOMPSON
20 Miles STOREY
21 Alex SMITH
22 Darren WARD
23 Jack BARTHRAM
24 Lee COX
25 Tyrell BELFORD
26 Aaron OAKLEY
27 Harry AGOMBAR
28 Luke ROONEY
28 Michael SMITH
29 RAPHAEL Rossi Branco
30 Leigh BEDWELL
31 Paul BENSON
32 Alan NAVARRO
33 Nicky AJOSE
33 George BARKER
34 Mohamed EL-GABAS
34 Jamie RECKORD
35 Kayden JACKSON
36 Matt JONES
37 Ryan WOOD
38 Liam WALSH
39 Ben GLADWIN
40 Jack STEPHENS
41 Troy ARCHIBALD-HENVILLE
42 Will RANDALL

That is a massive pay roll for a club of our size and gate receipts. Some thinning down has to happen or the club will go under as the payroll is just too big. Beyond doubt is will be better when some of PDC's high earners have gone, like Williams and Benson, who I believe has already got a contract with Luton next season. Williams I also believe has another year to go on his contract on big wages. I don't think you are seeing things in the true light. Most had us as relegation fodder yet here we are comfortably in the top half of the table. The club is leaner and better and we are in a good position to build from. If you want almost guaranteed glory then go and watch a Premier league team. I say go and watch because support doesn't seem to be in your limited vocabulary.
I do support been going for 50 years , I have seen a lot of good and bad times and the way we have been managed is pathetic Cooper does not have a clue , poor subs , poor playing formations , never a back up plan just the same old boring football and unfit players .
[quote][p][bold]the wizard[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]House with no name[/bold] wrote: Is there any end to the excuses being made by an inept managerial team that is just content with balancing the books and totally lacks ambition. I read that they will go into next season with a reduced squad of players which is just ready made excuses when the winter injuries come and they are in a relegation position. Apart from Danny Williams winning the League Cup and promotion in 1969 all recent successes came as a result of showing ambition by appointing top name managers who knew people within the game and could get the best out of the team albeit maybe some of the financial dealings may have been a bit suspect but this was exactly what the big teams were doing - nothing more and nothing less. Big names attract gates and outside sponsorship - minnows just attract all the whinging that appears here. Success breeds success - failure breeds failure. :-)[/p][/quote]Just so as you know what Power is trying to reduce here is a list of our current players etc, CURRENT SQUAD 1 Wes FODERINGHAM 2 Nathan THOMPSON 3 Nathan BYRNE 4 Massimo LUONGO 5 Grant HALL 6 TIJANE Reis 7 Ryan HARLEY 8 Ryan MASON 9 Nile RANGER 10 Andy WILLIAMS 11 Alex PRITCHARD 12 Dany N'GUESSAN 14 Jay MCEVELEY 15 Yaser KASIM 16 Mark FRANCIS 17 Connor WALDON 18 Alex FERGUSON 19 Louis THOMPSON 20 Miles STOREY 21 Alex SMITH 22 Darren WARD 23 Jack BARTHRAM 24 Lee COX 25 Tyrell BELFORD 26 Aaron OAKLEY 27 Harry AGOMBAR 28 Luke ROONEY 28 Michael SMITH 29 RAPHAEL Rossi Branco 30 Leigh BEDWELL 31 Paul BENSON 32 Alan NAVARRO 33 Nicky AJOSE 33 George BARKER 34 Mohamed EL-GABAS 34 Jamie RECKORD 35 Kayden JACKSON 36 Matt JONES 37 Ryan WOOD 38 Liam WALSH 39 Ben GLADWIN 40 Jack STEPHENS 41 Troy ARCHIBALD-HENVILLE 42 Will RANDALL That is a massive pay roll for a club of our size and gate receipts. Some thinning down has to happen or the club will go under as the payroll is just too big. Beyond doubt is will be better when some of PDC's high earners have gone, like Williams and Benson, who I believe has already got a contract with Luton next season. Williams I also believe has another year to go on his contract on big wages. I don't think you are seeing things in the true light. Most had us as relegation fodder yet here we are comfortably in the top half of the table. The club is leaner and better and we are in a good position to build from. If you want almost guaranteed glory then go and watch a Premier league team. I say go and watch because support doesn't seem to be in your limited vocabulary.[/p][/quote]I do support been going for 50 years , I have seen a lot of good and bad times and the way we have been managed is pathetic Cooper does not have a clue , poor subs , poor playing formations , never a back up plan just the same old boring football and unfit players . harley red
  • Score: -1

11:13pm Fri 11 Apr 14

Oi Den! says...

harley, I often think you get unfair stick on here but how can you say Cooper's made a stupid statement and in the same breath you say he's the reason we're not top of the table? If you think we have a side capable of winning the title you must be on a different planet from most of us. With the glaring weaknesses we've had for most of the season, 8th place is a decent position.
harley, I often think you get unfair stick on here but how can you say Cooper's made a stupid statement and in the same breath you say he's the reason we're not top of the table? If you think we have a side capable of winning the title you must be on a different planet from most of us. With the glaring weaknesses we've had for most of the season, 8th place is a decent position. Oi Den!
  • Score: 1

11:32pm Fri 11 Apr 14

ellory says...

Oi Den! wrote:
harley, I often think you get unfair stick on here but how can you say Cooper's made a stupid statement and in the same breath you say he's the reason we're not top of the table? If you think we have a side capable of winning the title you must be on a different planet from most of us. With the glaring weaknesses we've had for most of the season, 8th place is a decent position.
It's along the same lines as "I think Power brings the players in" but Cooper is a bad manager because he didn't bring Stephens in sooner!
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Sorry, but it's hard to see Harley as anything other than a troll when a) everything he/she says is negative and b) he/she thinks that Cooper is the worst they've seen in 50 years. I'm 22 and I can think of several!
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It doesn't matter what side of the pro/anti PDC debate you fall on, without a benefactor PDC (or any manager like him) would ruin us now. This isn't a lack of ambition, it's common sense.
[quote][p][bold]Oi Den![/bold] wrote: harley, I often think you get unfair stick on here but how can you say Cooper's made a stupid statement and in the same breath you say he's the reason we're not top of the table? If you think we have a side capable of winning the title you must be on a different planet from most of us. With the glaring weaknesses we've had for most of the season, 8th place is a decent position.[/p][/quote]It's along the same lines as "I think Power brings the players in" but Cooper is a bad manager because he didn't bring Stephens in sooner! . Sorry, but it's hard to see Harley as anything other than a troll when a) everything he/she says is negative and b) he/she thinks that Cooper is the worst they've seen in 50 years. I'm 22 and I can think of several! . It doesn't matter what side of the pro/anti PDC debate you fall on, without a benefactor PDC (or any manager like him) would ruin us now. This isn't a lack of ambition, it's common sense. ellory
  • Score: 2

11:41pm Fri 11 Apr 14

the wizard says...

ellory, quite right, if its a lack of anything, its money and Power has already put in between £2M-£3M out of his own purse. I would like to know if the "trust" have offered to get involved in helping out in any way. I notice they have been obvious by their absence during these later day financial trials which for the better part Power seems to be dealing with very well. What happened to all the money that was sent in during the latter part of Di Canios' tenure ?
ellory, quite right, if its a lack of anything, its money and Power has already put in between £2M-£3M out of his own purse. I would like to know if the "trust" have offered to get involved in helping out in any way. I notice they have been obvious by their absence during these later day financial trials which for the better part Power seems to be dealing with very well. What happened to all the money that was sent in during the latter part of Di Canios' tenure ? the wizard
  • Score: 1

11:55pm Fri 11 Apr 14

Oxon-Red says...

harley red wrote:
If we never had COOPER we would be top we would not play the crap football and it would be a joy to go and watch . Oh if we only still had PDC the town would be a happy place to watch the footy I hate all the back passes and the goals we have conceded due to them passing back . Maybe we would have a team fit to play 90 mins . All off and buts and a stupid statement from our sh!t leader !!!!!
You could go and see a Di Canio built side in the championship next season, the Stadium of Light will welcome you with open arms.

Would loved to have seen Paolo build a team and manage on the same budget as Mark.

Mork calling Oroson...
[quote][p][bold]harley red[/bold] wrote: If we never had COOPER we would be top we would not play the crap football and it would be a joy to go and watch . Oh if we only still had PDC the town would be a happy place to watch the footy I hate all the back passes and the goals we have conceded due to them passing back . Maybe we would have a team fit to play 90 mins . All off and buts and a stupid statement from our sh!t leader !!!!![/p][/quote]You could go and see a Di Canio built side in the championship next season, the Stadium of Light will welcome you with open arms. Would loved to have seen Paolo build a team and manage on the same budget as Mark. Mork calling Oroson... Oxon-Red
  • Score: 3

7:15am Sat 12 Apr 14

ciclosporindorset says...

The Jockster wrote:
Is that you Lovesey wrote:
You could say if Mason had been fit or if pritchard hadn't been banned or if we hadn't played such boring training ground football in our own half, or if we had an experienced manager or if we had a fitness coach, I could go on, no point to this article at all, Ranger could have had a dire 3 months and we would still be where we are.....
Amazed that you have amassed-35 votes for casually hitting the nail on the head!
If any of those minus muppets agree with Cooperman that NR was the sole reason why we failed to make the playoffs they are seriously deluded!.
Agreed that it is a multi factorial consideration. To call your fellow commentators muppets is plain rude, why is it necessary to constantly attack?
[quote][p][bold]The Jockster[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Is that you Lovesey[/bold] wrote: You could say if Mason had been fit or if pritchard hadn't been banned or if we hadn't played such boring training ground football in our own half, or if we had an experienced manager or if we had a fitness coach, I could go on, no point to this article at all, Ranger could have had a dire 3 months and we would still be where we are.....[/p][/quote]Amazed that you have amassed-35 votes for casually hitting the nail on the head! If any of those minus muppets agree with Cooperman that NR was the sole reason why we failed to make the playoffs they are seriously deluded!.[/p][/quote]Agreed that it is a multi factorial consideration. To call your fellow commentators muppets is plain rude, why is it necessary to constantly attack? ciclosporindorset
  • Score: 0

2:04am Sun 13 Apr 14

harley red says...

Oxon-Red wrote:
harley red wrote:
If we never had COOPER we would be top we would not play the crap football and it would be a joy to go and watch . Oh if we only still had PDC the town would be a happy place to watch the footy I hate all the back passes and the goals we have conceded due to them passing back . Maybe we would have a team fit to play 90 mins . All off and buts and a stupid statement from our sh!t leader !!!!!
You could go and see a Di Canio built side in the championship next season, the Stadium of Light will welcome you with open arms.

Would loved to have seen Paolo build a team and manage on the same budget as Mark.

Mork calling Oroson...
He only spent what he was given any manager would do the same,so that's a bit of a stupid statement don't you think ?
[quote][p][bold]Oxon-Red[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]harley red[/bold] wrote: If we never had COOPER we would be top we would not play the crap football and it would be a joy to go and watch . Oh if we only still had PDC the town would be a happy place to watch the footy I hate all the back passes and the goals we have conceded due to them passing back . Maybe we would have a team fit to play 90 mins . All off and buts and a stupid statement from our sh!t leader !!!!![/p][/quote]You could go and see a Di Canio built side in the championship next season, the Stadium of Light will welcome you with open arms. Would loved to have seen Paolo build a team and manage on the same budget as Mark. Mork calling Oroson...[/p][/quote]He only spent what he was given any manager would do the same,so that's a bit of a stupid statement don't you think ? harley red
  • Score: -1

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